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A
Avoid
any
any
interruptions
if
anyone
is
here
present
is
planning
to
present
testimony
please
sign
in
the
sheet.
In
the
back
of
the
hearing
room,
it's
Wednesday,
the
8th
of
February.
The
time
is
six
o'clock.
The
time
set
for
this
public
hearing.
All
three
Commissioners
are
present
Madam
clerk.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda?
No.
B
D
E
A
Okay,
there's
a
second
motion:
you've
heard
the
motion
to
remove
the
unfinished
business
from
the
table,
all
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
aye,.
A
Carries
unfinished
business
is
removed
from
the
table
the
first.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
application
number
202-202-721,
V,
King,
Horn
Jake,
we'll
first
hear
from
our
staff.
C
Mr
chairman
I
moved
to
table
application,
2022
02721
Dash
V
to
April
12th
12th
to
2023.
A
A
202-202-511
V
Scandal
Scott,
all
right
we've,
the
public
hearing
remains
open
and
we
need
to
get
some
additional
information
we'll
have
for
our
for
our
staff
to
give
us
some
additional
information.
Foreign.
I
Commissioners
project
number
2022-02511v
is
a
variance
for
an
accessory
structure
to
exceed
the
maximum
High
allowed
for
an
accessory
structure
by
10
feet.
This
application
was
tabled
from
the
January
18th
2023
public
hearing
to
obtain
some
additional
information
from
staff,
and
the
public
hearing
remains
open.
The
property
is
located
at
538,
West
Elgato
drive
and
contains
4.67
acres
and
the
rural
urban
transition.
I
In
addition,
the
app
can
also
provide
photos
of
large
structures
in
the
area,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen
here
as
well.
Staff
research,
the
types
of
variances
that
have
been
submitted
in
the
last
couple
of
years
to
the
board
and
most
of
the
variances
that
have
been
received
are
primarily
for
setback,
encroachments
or
lot
coverage.
I
The
board
determined
that
the
variance
was
needed
for
the
accessory
structure
to
match
the
architectural
characteristics
of
the
principle
made
dwelling
and
the
board
had
also
noted
in
that
application
that
the
accessory
structure
would
be
located
behind
the
front
plane
of
the
principal
Premiere
dwelling,
and
the
structure
would
appear
incidental
and
subordinate
to
the
primary
dwelling
from
the
street
and
surrounding
properties
in
order
to
Grant
a
variance.
The
board
would
need
to
make
the
three
following
findings:
one
the
branch,
Grand
Ryder's
special
privilege-
that's
not
otherwise
allowed
in
the
base.
I
District
Two
of
the
variants
releasing
undue
hardship,
do
characteristics
of
the
site,
and
three
of
the
variants
should
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
This
presentation
this
evening
will
be
known,
as
exhibit
number
33
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
All
right
are
there
any
questions
from
the
board.
A
No
questions,
okay,
thank
you.
Does
the
applicant
wish
to
speak.
J
M
Go
ahead,
oh
sorry,
yeah!
So
it's
the
structure,
as
you
can
see
on
the
the
drawing
it's
you
know,
it's
just
a
really
small
20
by
20
foot
structure.
That's
set!
We
set
it
way
back
on
our
our
land,
so
it's
kind
of
hidden
away
from
everything
and
you
can,
through
many
of
the
pictures
and
everything
that
we've
taken,
so
we've
been
planning
on
trees
around
our
land
for
the
past
15
years
to
you
know
fast
growth,
evergreen
trees
and
they're
much
much
taller
than
this.
In
this
this
structure.
M
Actually,
the
main
part
of
the
structure
is
really
only
about
the
enclosed
part
is
like
24
feet.
Tall
is
23
24
feet
tall
and
the
part
that
the
variants
that
we're
requesting
is
just
it's
for
a
roof
structure.
It's
just
a
covered
area,
Roof
structure,
that's
just
a
a
bit
taller
than,
and
you
can.
We
took
pictures
from
different
Vantage
points
to
show
what
you
know
how
the
the
structure
is
completely
hidden
from
any
View
and
how
you
know
far
away
from
the
screen.
M
It's
almost
480
feet
away
from
the
street
and
450
feet
away
from
our
neighbors.
It's
really
just
this
tiny
little
structure
that
we
want
to
build
out
there
to,
and
it's
just
that
little
roof
strip
that
little
that
that
roof
section
that
we're
asking
to
be.
You
know
to
be
able
to
go
over
top
of
that
variance.
A
F
So
we
tabled
this
from
last
month
just
to
follow
up
on
commissioner
Daley's.
You
haven't
had
any
any
neighborhood
contacts
or
anything
in
the
in
the
last
month,
since
we
tabled.
F
M
House,
yes,
that
was
our
when
I
designed
the
exterior
architecture
to
be
identical
to
the
house.
We
we
do
plan
to
build
a
35
square
foot
house.
You
know
in
between
where
this
structure
is
going
to
be,
and
it's
and
that's
our
plan
is
to
build
a
house
and
have
them
architecturally
match
each
other
perfectly.
So.
F
And
just
for
my
recollection
it
you,
you
had
a
relative
or
somebody
you
paid
to
design
this,
and
at
the
time
you
didn't
realize,
accessory
structures
are
supposed
to
be
10
feet
shorter
than
than
house,
but
you
decided.
M
M
E
M
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions,
no
I.
Think
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
from
the
audience
wish
to
testify
on
this
either
for
or
against.
A
I
see
none
I'd,
ask
a
staff,
a
question
before
I
close
the
hearing.
What
are
those
three
conditions
in
the
for
to
Grana
variants.
I
So
the
first
finding
is
the
ranch
tonight:
Grant
ryre
special
privilege-
that's
not
otherwise
allowed
in
the
base
District
to
the
variance
release
and
undue
hardship
due
to
characteristics
of
the
site
and
three.
The
variant
should
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
I
A
Thank
you
with
that
with
no
other
testimony,
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
on
application.
A
202-202-511V
Campbell
Scott
and
asked
for
the
discussion
of
the
board.
F
A
F
Kick
it
off?
Okay,
you
were
not
at
the
previous
meeting.
You
were
out
of
town,
so
you
missed
some
of
the
initial
testimony
there.
F
We
we
gave
it
I
think
a
pretty
thorough
hearing
at
the
last
meeting
we
tabled
it
to
see
if
there
were
similar
structures
within
the
neighborhood
that
have
been
granted
variances
or
existed
prior
to
the
county,
offering
those
variances
it's
you
know
sometimes
in
the
county.
We
find
people
just
build
stuff
years
ago,
without
asking
for
permission.
F
I
was
certainly
leaning
towards
supporting
this
variance
at
the
last
meeting.
I
think
the
evidence
that
I've
gotten
from
staff,
showing
that
we
have
granted
a
variance
nearby
is,
is
also
persuasive.
One
of
the
I
think
most
important
factors.
I
tend
to
look
at
for
granting
a
a
relatively
small
variance
like
this.
One
is
whether
or
not
there's
opposition
from
The
Neighbors.
In
this
case
we've
had
none
I,
have
then
I
look
at.
Is
there
going
to
be
any
negative
impact
to
the
community?
F
I
see
absolutely
none
we're
talking
about
a
very
small
structure
that
is
not
even
going
to
be
able
to
be
seen
from
the
street
they're
Landscaping
in
such
a
way
that
the
neighbors
won't
be
able
to
see
it
and
I
think
once
it's
built.
If
it's
built
to
the
same
specifications
as
the
house,
I,
don't
think
you'll
even
know
it's
not
a
part
of
the
house.
F
If
you
were
looking
at
it
from
the
road
So
based
on
that
I
think
they've,
the
applicants
have
shown
good
cause,
and
so
with
that
I
would,
unless
there's
any
more
deliberation,
I'm
ready
to
make
a
motion.
Well.
C
A
Well,
I
do
too
I
think
particularly
we're
not
granting
a
special
right
and
privilege
that
we
wouldn't
approve,
oh,
that
wouldn't
prove
to
anybody
else.
Isn't
that
what
we're?
What
we're
supposed
to
do
is
is
because
we
found
other
other
variances
that
that
was
also
granted
and
we've
taken
picture.
There's
been
pictures
that
demonstrates
that
it
does
fit
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
so
I
think
I
think
all
three
of
those
requirements
have
been
met
and
with
that
I'd
ask
for
a
motion.
F
All
right,
Mr,
chair,
well
I'm,
going
to
move
Mr
chairman.
P
Yeah
in
this
instance,
the
findings
of
fact
that
have
been
provided
for
you
tonight,
I
will
remind
you
we're
recommending
denial.
So
in
this
case
we
will
recommend
that
you
table
this
to
allow
Brent
to
revise
the
findings
of
fact.
A
P
All
you
need
Mr
chairman.
We
could
probably
have
these
back
to
you
on
the
21st,
the
open
business
meeting
on
the
21st
of
February.
F
All
right,
Mr,
chair,
I'm,
going
to
move
to
table
application;
number
two:
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
two:
five:
eleven
Dash
V
Campbell
Scott
to
February
21st
to
the
open
business
meeting,
so
that
staff
can
issue
a
revised
findings,
effect
and
conclusions
of
law
consistent
with
the
discussion
here
this
evening.
F
Moving
to
approve
the
application
and
to
table
to
February
21st
2023,
open
business
meeting
for
a
revised
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law.
Notating
that
the
board
has
approved
the
variance.
A
A
Okay,
well,
next,
to
have
up
for
consideration
and
discussion
application
number
two:
zero:
two:
two
zero
one:
seven:
two:
eight
CPA,
z,
c
d:
a
c:
u
m
s,
p
Griffin
marketing!
This
application
is
a
it's.
A
second
hearing
is
required
by
law
code,
section
67,
6509
B.
This
was
tabled.
A
It
was
originally
heard
on
1
3
23
in
table
two
today
for
the
second
hearing,
based
on
the
state
code.
The
this
hearing
will
will
consider
a
comprehensive
plan,
Amendment
a
zone
change
or
development
agreement
and
conditional
use,
Master
site
plan,
and
so
that's
what
the
discussion
will
be
about
so
with
that
and
I
will
need
to.
This
is
a
new,
a
new
hearing,
so
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
on
application.
I
Germany
Commissioners
with
4ib
give
me
a
presentation.
I
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
was
a
mistake
on
my
February
3rd
memo
to
you.
The
memo
shift
stated
that
on
January
3rd
2023
that
the
board
was
inclined
to
approve
project
number
2022-01728,
CPA
zcda-cup,
instead
of
saying
approved
so
I
apologize
for
that
mistake,
project
number
202201728.
I
Cpa-Zc-D-A-Cu
MSB
is
a
coverage
of
plan
map,
Amendment
zone
change,
development
agreement
conditional
use
a
master's
site
plan
for
a
310
unit
recreational
vehicle
park.
I
The
application
was
tabled
from
January
3rd
2023
to
this
public
hearing
for
second
public
hearing
based
on
requirements
of
Iowa
state
code,
section
67-6509b
and
additional
information
that
was
requested
by
the
board
at
that
January
3rd
meeting
per
Idaho
code,
section
67-6509b,
the
the
hearing
is
required
as
the
board's
other
decision
was
a
material
change
from
the
planet.
Zoning
commission's
recommendation,
Of
Denial
on
the
comprehensive
plan
map
Amendment.
I
Procedurally,
the
board
is
still
taking
testimony
on
the
conference
of
plan
map
Amendment,
along
with
the
sign
landscape
and
lying
plans
associated
with
the
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan.
The
property
is
located
at
7680
West,
Vallejo
Road.
It
contains
39.55
Acres.
The
subject:
property
has
historically
been
outdoor
shooting
range
known
as
Black
Dog
Clays.
I
The
shooting
range
has
operated
on
the
property
since
at
least
1967
prior
to
the
adoption
of
a
County
zoning
ordinance,
the
political
comprehensive
plan,
a
designation
excuse
me,
the
applicable
currency
plan
is
a
county,
comprehensive
plan
and
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
comprehensive
plan
has
designated
the
property
as
rangeland.
The
applicant
has
requested
a
comprehensive
plan
map
Amendment
to
redesignate
the
property
as
commercial
to
thus
allow
a
zone
change
to
see
why
neighborhood
commercial,
which
will
allow
for
the
approval
of
the
RV
Park
via
a
conditional
use,
Master
site
plan.
I
The
additional
information
requested
by
the
board
at
your
January
3rd
meeting
was
submitted
for
the
applicant
to
submit
a
sign
plan,
a
landscape
plan
and
a
lying
plan.
The
applicant
has
submitted
a
signed
plan
for
the
proposed
entry
signed
into
the
park,
and
the
sign
plan
complies
with
the
standards
in
article
8-4i
of
a
county
code.
The
applicants
also
submitted
a
landscape
and
screening
plan
in
the
landscape,
and
screening
plan
meets
the
requirements
of
article
8-4f
of
the
county
code.
I
As
applying
complies
of
the
point
tolls
along
all
property
lines,
as
well
as
incorporating
a
hierarchy
of
planks
from
ground
cover,
shrubs
to
deciduous
and
evergreen
trees
that
all
provide
seasonal
color
during
the
spring
summer
and
fall.
In
addition,
the
perimeter
deciduous
trees
will
have
at
least
a
two
inch
caliper
at
the
time
of
planning
and
evergreen.
Trees
will
be
at
least
seven
and
a
half
feet
tall
in
height
at
the
time
in
of
planning.
I
The
Advocate
had
mentioned
to
me
verbally
that
for
the
interior
Landscaping
that
they
would
like
to
request
an
alternative
approval
for
the
caliper
of
the
shade
trees
to
be
one
to
one
and
a
half
inch
instead
of
the
two
inch
caliper
due
to
budget
considerations
in
order
to
plant
additional
shade
trees
in
the
interior
portion
of
the
property.
I
In
addition,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
lying
plan
that
meets
the
requirements
of
article
8-4h
of
the
a
county
code
as
the
lying
plan
depicts
the
location,
orientation
and
high
of
the
proposed
exterior
light
fixtures
and
on
the
plan
here,
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
hard
to
see,
but
there's
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
of
a
blue
kind
of
a
you
know,
Circle
here
and
then
there's
kind
of
more
of
like
a
kind
of
an
oval
here.
I
I
Based
on
the
draft
findings
of
fact,
present
to
the
board
staff
ends
at
the
applicant's
request
for
the
cumbersome
plan
map
amendment
is
in
compliance
with
the
findings
of
fact
listed
on
the
screen.
The
board
can
consult
the
draft
findings
of
fact
in
making
their
decision
this
evening,
based
on
the
draft
finds.
The
fact
present
to
the
board
staff
finds
that
the
present
to
the
board
that
staff
finds
that
the
applicant's
request
for
a
zoning
ordinance
map
amendment
is
in
compliance
with
the
finance
effect
listed
on
the
screen.
I
The
fact
document
in
making
their
decision,
as
noted
already
in
the
record,
there's
been
a
significant
amount
of
testimony
both
in
favor
and
in
opposition
to
this
project
we
have
received
a
couple
of
written,
lay
exhibits
that
came
in
after
the
deadline
for
the
written
testimony
to
be
included
in
the
memo
exhibit
number
32
is
an
email
that
was
received
by
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
in
opposition
to
the
project
from
Jan
Pearson
in
exhibit
number
133
is
a
letter
from
Todd
Lakey
in
response
to
the
letter
that
was
received
from
Timothy
Tyree
and
Jason
Ma.
I
There
are
copies
of
these
leg
exhibits
on
the
back
table
and
I
had
passed
out.
These
lay
exhibits
to
you
prior
to
the
public
hearing
this
evening,
and
my
PowerPoint
presentation
will
be
known,
as
exhibit
number
134
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
Not
at
the
moment,
all
right
all
right,
no
questions.
Well,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
proceed
since
this
is
a
new,
a
new
hearing.
The
applicant
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
we'll
give
you
15
minutes
and
then
you'll
have
a
five
minute
rebuttal.
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Before
we
start,
my
name
is
Todd
Lakey
with
Wharton
Lakey
law
address
is
141
East,
Carlton,
Avenue,
Meridian,
Idaho,
3642
and
I'll
be
handling
the
representative
duties
tonight.
You'll
still
get
to
hear
from
Mr
Griffin
I'm,
not
quite
as
enthusiastic,
maybe
as
he.
R
Do
my
best
Mr
chairman,
yes,
so
I'll
start
out
first
by
thanking
staff
for
their
analysis
and
their
draft
findings
that
have
been
presented
to
the
board.
We
agree
with
that
report
and
their
findings.
Overall,
as
you
know,
Commissioners.
This
is
a
an
application
for
a
high
quality
RV
facility,
but
as
staff
also
noted,
the
hearing
tonight
is
limited
as
far
as
testimony
goes
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
Amendment
and
then
the
sign
plan,
the
landscape
plan
and
the
lighting
plan.
R
R
The
previous
determination
by
the
board
was
to
approve,
but
that
determination,
as
far
as
the
comprehensive
plan
goes,
was
different
than
the
plan
and
Zoning
commission's
recommendation.
Therefore
we're
having
the
hearing
tonight
on
the
comprehensive
plan
change
so,
as
I
said
this,
the
the
hearing
tonight
isn't
to
go
back
through
and
and
debate
the
rezone
in
the
cup
again
next
slide.
R
As
noted
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
the
language
in
your
comprehensive
plan
regarding
how
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
existing
and
land
use
map
interact
is
important.
Important
enough
I,
just
I
just
want
to
read
it
off
the
screen.
As
far
as
the
future
land
use
map.
Your
comprehensive
plan
says
the
future
land
use
plan
map
should
be
referred
in
conjunction
with
the
more
detailed
existing
land
use
map
series
provided
in
this
chapter,
and
then
the
existing
land
use
map
language
States.
R
These
Maps
should
be
used
as
a
companion
to
the
Future
land
use
map,
as
proposed
uses,
are
considered
in
rural
or
unincorporated
areas
in
Ada
County
in
the
future,
and
then
you
have
specific
maps
that
are
focused
for
particular
areas
in
Ada
County,
so
the
two
are
considered
together,
they're
important
when
you
consider
an
amendment
to
the
Future
land
use
map,
the
wood
next
slide,
Brent
so
Commissioners.
This
is
the
specific
Southeast
Ada
County
existing
use
map
and
the
large
Arrow
points
to
the
my
client's
property,
which
is
designated
in
red.
R
That's
commercial
and
the
existing
land
use
map
therefore
already
designates
the
property
as
commercial.
We're
not
changing
that
designation
with
this
application.
This
in
itself
lends
strong
support
to
the
request
to
modify
the
future
land
use
map,
because
the
existing
land
use
map
has
this
commercial
designation.
R
R
R
That's
been
there
for
56
plus
years.
The
environmental
impacts
of
that
use
will
be
cleaned
up
with
this
designation
in
the
future
land
use
map
to
Commercial.
The
lead
from
that
operation
will
be
part
of
the
cleanup
efforts
when
it's
redesignated
in
a
future
land
use
map,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
essentially
adjacent
to
the
area
of
impact
boundary
and
growth.
As
was
noted
in
the
staff
report
is
coming
from
the
north,
the
city
of
Boise,
the
guardios
have
a
project
that's
being
considered
to
the
north.
R
So
Commissioners
I
want
to
go
through
when
you're
evaluating
whether
to
amend
your
comprehensive
plan
future
land
use
map.
You
look
at
as
I
said
the
existing
map,
but
you
also
look
at
the
text
of
your
comprehensive
plan
and
the
text
also
supports
the
commercial
designation.
There
are
various
goals
and
policies.
R
Staff
did
a
good
job,
calling
those
out
I'm
going
to
emphasize
a
few
of
them.
The
resources
and
amenities
policies,
1.3
and
4.
Talk
about
recreational
use,
vacation
type
use,
and
this
use
as
an
RV
facility
supports
the
County's
recreational
programs
and
sites.
Whether
they're
Parks,
it's
also
near
the
birds
of
prey
recreational
areas
like
the
Snake
River,
hiking
and
Hiking
opportunities,
the
Snake
River
Ava
appellation,
agritourism,
Bogus
Basin,
it's
a
good
location,
that's
reasonably
located
in
proximity
to
those
things
for
travelers
that
are
coming
through
the
area.
R
This
designation
on
the
future
land
use
map
also
supports
a
broader
spectrum
of
the
public
using
the
property.
Historically,
it's
been
a
fairly
narrow
use
of
individuals
of
participating
in
the
gun
range
I've
been
out
there
several
times
myself
and
enjoyed
the
facility.
This
designation
on
the
future
land
use
map
will
enable
the
benefit
of
the
commercial
development
to
be
provided
to
a
broader
spectrum
of
the
community.
R
I
want
to
reference
the
coordinated
growth
sections
2.1
through
almost
2.7
and
2.8.
There
is
a
section
there
that
talks
about
affordable
housing.
This
isn't
there
was
a
lot
of
testimony
about
that
last
time.
It's
not
what
you
would
call
the
federal
definition
of
affordable
housing,
but
for
practical
purposes,
it's
how
these
housing
that's
affordable
for
some
of
those
on
a
temporary
basis.
As
I
said,
there
was
testimony
about
that
previously
gold,
2.3
States,
specifically
to
provide
opportunities
for
limited
residential
and
non-residential
development
in
unincorporated
areas
outside
the
areas
of
City
Impact.
R
So
all
of
those
Provisions
under
2.3
talk
about
commercial
and
non-residential
uses
outside
the
area
of
impact.
That's
where
this
designation,
although
it's
right,
adjacent
to
an
area
of
impact,
it's
adjacent,
but
the
comprehensive
plan
recognizes
that's
appropriate.
R
R
R
It's
been
a
commercial
use
since
1967,
so
we
are
not
taking
agricultural
ground
out
of
production.
The
good
thing
about
using
this
property
for
some
type
of
commercial
development
is
that
fact
exactly.
We
are
not
taking
AG
around
out
of
production,
we're
reducing
the
pressure
on
other
Prime
Farm
ground
in
the
area
that
may
be
right
for
development
to
be
located
on
this
property.
Instead
of
taking
that
Prime
ground
out
of
production,
there
are
dairies
and
feedlots
in
the
area.
R
This
can
again
support
temporary
housing,
for
those
workers
will
include
the
right
to
farm
covenants
in
our
covenants.
That
basically
say,
farming
and
agricultural
operations
in
Idaho
are
protected
under
state
law,
and
you
need
to
be
aware
of
that
and
the
fact
that
there's
uses
in
the
area
next
slide
right.
R
Lastly,
in
the
coordinated
growth
section,
it
talks
about
land
stewardship,
and
that
is
a
big
part
of
this
designation
to
Commercial
and
the
future
land
use
map.
It's
been
that
gun
range
for
56
years.
We
have
lead
located
in
the
soil,
and
my
clients
will
be
a
good
Steward
in
removing
that
potential
contaminant
from
the
site
providing
stewardship
of
the
land
and
maintaining
it
for
future
design.
Generations.
R
Next
slide
also
under
the
sustainable
practices
portion
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
it
talks
about
protecting
life
and
property
So.
Currently,
the
property
is
not
located
in
the
fire
district.
With
this
designation,
it
will
be
annexed,
Into,
the
Fire
District,
which
will
enhance
the
fire
services
cleaning
up.
R
The
LED
also
provides
protection
of
life
and
property,
but
that
enhanced
service
it'll
contribute
to
the
tax
base,
but
it
will
also
extend
the
water
service
and
fire
hydrants
when
it
comes
to
firefighting,
are
very
a
very
big
deal,
they're
very
important
and
we'll
provide
those
next
slide,
so
Commissioners
I'm
just
going
to
touch
briefly
on
the
landscape
plan,
the
lighting
plan
and
the
sign
plan
there
are
those
here
can
that
can
address
it
in
more
detail.
R
If
you
have
more
detailed
questions,
but
the
Landscaping
plan
in
general,
it
goes
well
beyond
the
county
standards
and
requirements.
As
noted
in
the
staff
report,
there's
a
point
system
to
calculate
those
requirements
and
it
will
exceeds
those
requirements
and
is
well
described
in
the
staff
report.
Next
slide.
R
The
lighting
plan
was
also
well
described
in
your
staff
report.
The
lighting
will
be
modern,
LED
lighting,
that's
directed
downward
and
screened
to
make
sure
we're
not
having
light
bleeding
off
the
site,
and
the
sign
plan
itself
is
a
very
simple
Monument
sign
that
complies
with
the
code
next
slide,
so
Commissioners.
In
conclusion,
our
requested
Amendment
of
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
comprehensive
plan
is
strongly
supported
by
your
existing
comprehensive
plan.
Your
existing
land
use
map
designates
it
as
commercial
we're
not
changing
that
various
goals
and
policies
support
that
designation
for
commercial.
R
So
the
weight
of
the
comprehensive
plan
supports
that
with
that
Commissioners
I
would
ask
for
your
approval
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
them.
F
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Davidson,
the
lighting
will
be
directed
down
part
of
that
slide.
That
was
in
staff's
report.
She
was
kind
of
the
light
influence
area
for
those
particular
outdoor
lighting
locations
on
the
site,
so
the
light
will
be
directed
down.
It's
particularly
screened.
It's
it's
modern
and
designed
to
keep
your
light
on
site.
F
And
as
far
as
the
Landscaping
goes,
it
looks
like
you
have
kind
of
the
Border
going
around.
Is
that
the
fence
line
that
has
trees
or
bushes
around
it.
R
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Davidson.
Yes,
the
you'll
notice
in
the
staff
report
there's
various
scoring
that
some
portions
of
the
property
have
have
even
more
landscaping.
That's
required
all
of
it
exceeds
the
county
standards
as
far
as
the
types
of
trees
and
plantings
that
are
there
particularly
around
the
Border.
Where
you
know
you
want
to
be
able
to
help
screen
the
use
and
provide
that
buffer.
F
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Davidson-
that's
certainly
the
goal.
You
know
the
as
the
trees
mature
they'll
grow
in
height,
we're
at
a
raised
elevation
and
the
goal
is
to
provide
that
attractive,
green
buffer
around
the
site.
C
Mr
chairman
yeah
go
ahead.
You
indicated
that
Road
improvements.
What
will
they
be
in
terms
of
access
to
the
main
road.
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Daley
achd
and
the
traffic
study
require
that
we
widen
Vallejo
Road
to
30
feet
of
pavement
and
then
some
additional
side
shoulder
and
then
there's
also
two
accesses
onto
Vallejo,
Road
I
think
that's
part
of
your
requirements
in
your
ordinance
and
then
they
ask
that
we
close
any
other
historic
accesses
onto
Vallejo.
C
Another
question:
good:
the
water,
so
you
indicated
that
violia
is
going
to
provide
the
water
exactly
how
they're
going
to
do
that.
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Daley,
my
client
will
be
extending
that
system
out
there
at
their
expense
and
then
that
system
will
include
not
only
the
potable
water,
but
the
fire
suppression
in
the
form
of
hydrants
and
the
fire
district
has
their
requirements
that
are
laid
out
in
the
staff
report.
Thank.
A
R
Mr
chairman,
it's
designated
as
commercial
in
your
existing
uses
map,
there's
two
maps
that
you
have
on
your
comprehensive
plan:
the
existing
and
the
future.
Our
application
is
to
amend
the
future.
We
don't
need
to
amend
the
existing.
It
already
designates
the
property
as
commercial
which,
in
turn,
strongly
supports
the
amendment
of
The
Future
land
use
map
because.
A
R
You
were
there
Mr
chairman
I
confess
that
I
did
I
broke
a
few
clay
pigeons
as
well.
Yeah.
A
Okay
and
as
I
understand
it,
that's
one
of
the
has
been
an
objection
to
because
there
is
that
lead
and
the
lead
tends
to
small
varmints
and
stuff
eat
it,
and
then
the
Falcons
and
the
they
come
and
pick
those
small
armors
up
and
then
that
damages
them
and
and
so
the
the
as
I
understand
from
our
first
hearing.
The
applicant
is
planning
on
cleaning
up
all
that
lead.
That's
on
the
property.
R
Mr
chairman
and
that's
part
of
the
conditions
that
will
be
part
of
our
effort
with
this
designation
and
the
future
land
use
map
to
Commercial.
We
are
required
to
provide
remediation
of
the
lead
and
that's
our
plan
to
do
that
to
to
help
not
only
on
site,
but
those
other
impacts
that
you
refer
to
and.
A
A
I
know
the
pictures
there
on
the
right.
You
couldn't
really
do
that
kind
of
landscaping
to
start
out
with,
but
it
could
be
grow
up
to
be
that
as
the
as
the
trees
get
bigger
and
whatnot
correct
in
it
yeah
yeah
and
that's
the
idea
that
you
can't
you
can't
plant
five
minutes,
Trump
trees
around
the
around
the
edge.
Okay,
all
right,
I,
don't
have
any
more
questions.
Unless
you
now,
you
will
be
given
a
five
minute
rebuttal
at
the
end.
Okay,.
F
One
more:
do
you
want
to
address
your
request
to
have
the
smaller
diameter
trees?
I,
don't
know
if
staff
call
them
caliper
is
that
is
that
the
term
I
would
have
thought
it'd
be
diameter,
but
can
you
talk
about
tree
size.
I
Sure
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Davidson
in
terms
of
diameter
when
they
measure
a
tree,
they
use
measure
the
diameter
they
use
a
caliper,
and
so
that's
kind
of
why
it's
called
a
caliper
because
they
use
a
caliper
tool
to
measure
the
diameter
of
the
tree.
R
I
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Davidson,
it
probably
would
be
good
if
you
did
approve
that
for
us
to
just
kind
of
amend
that
you
know
particular
fine,
just
to
make
sure
that
for
it
to
really
reflect
that
you
approved
it.
So,
yes,.
C
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Daley
so
I'm,
not
a
landscaping
expert.
We
have
some
here
that
have
a
little
more
experience
in
that
area
than
I.
Do
my
wife
says:
I
spend
too
much
time
on
the
yard
as
it
is,
but
I
don't
I'm,
not
an
expert,
so
the
county
has
the
minimum
I
believe
that
was
referenced
in
there
of
two
inch
standard
and
we're
looking
at
inch
to
inch
and
a
half.
As
far
as
those
calipers
of
trees
go
so
you're,
not
talking
about
planting
in
either
scenario
large
mature
trees.
R
At
the
beginning,
you
have
an
opportunity
for
those
trees
to
grow
so
that
slightly
reduced
caliper
I,
don't
think,
will
delay
the
the
overall
canopy
significantly.
You
do
also
have
a
I
believe,
a
pallet
of
trees
that
are
appropriate
and
we'll
comply
with
that
I
think
they
they
find
needs
also
a
call
out,
drought,
resistant
type,
plantings
and
part
of
our
Landscaping
to
help
with
the
area,
but
I
can't
exactly
say
specific
types
and
species
myself
other
than
we'll
comply
with
the
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
A
A
All
right
now,
we'll
have
we'll
take
some
testimony
on
this
and
we
will
limit
the
testimony
three
minutes
and
please
don't
repeat
if
somebody's
already
mentioned
something
that
you
would
like
to
speak
about,
please
don't
repeat
those
and
additionally,
if,
if
anybody
feels
like
they
need
to
make
a
little
more
time
or
a
little
more
detail,
you
can
always
send
us
your
written
comments
in
addition
to
what
you
say
here
tonight,
so
I
think
we'll
start
with
Larry
Guyer.
S
S
Our
proposed
lighting
layout
consists
of
16
pole
mounted
LED
lighting
fixtures.
The
intent
of
the
design
is
to
illuminate
the
clubhouse
parking
lot
and
the
conflict
areas,
but
to
keep
the
overall
lighting
plan
to
a
minimum.
Our
lighting
plan,
which
includes
full-size
skilled
plot
plot
plan,
showing
all
existing
and
proposed
easements
property
lines,
structures,
septic
and
Well
locations,
and
existing
proposed
driveways
drawn
to
scale
the
location,
orientation
and
height
of
all
proposed
exterior
lighting.
S
Details
of
the
lighting
feeds
for
the
lighting
specification
sheets
for
the
proposed
lighting
fixtures,
as
well
as
their
prospective
poles,
including
Watts
lumen
luminous
area,
which
is
the
blue
area.
That's
clouded
around
the
light
fixtures
photomatic
photometric
test
report
shielding
including
identification
of
the
shielding
cutoff
angles.
The
mounting
height
for
the
proposed
light
proposed
lighting
is
15
feet
which,
according
to
Ada
County
Idaho
code
ordinances,
8-4h-1
table,
would
make
the
set
back
from
property
lines
36
feet
all.
The
proposed
lighting
fixtures
are
at
least
36
feet
from
the
property
line.
E
F
F
Few
questions
Mr
chair,
yes,
go
ahead,
so
any
kind
of
development
like
this
when
the
neighbors
hear
about
it.
It's
the
two
big
concerns
are
light
noise,
light
and
Noise.
So,
as
the
person
who's
helping
design
the
lighting
plan,
you
recognize
that
you
know
the
goal
is
to
infringe
upon
the
neighbor's
property
as
little
as
possible,
with
any
light
or
noise.
Can
you
talk
to
how
the
lights
are
being
designed
to
not
interfere
with
the
neighbors
as
much
as
possible?.
S
That's
correct:
the
light
is
a
down
light.
It
doesn't
it's
it's
a
small
area
and,
as
you
can
see
on
the
lighting
plan,
I
don't
know
if
he
has
that
available,
but
there's
a
blue
cloud
around
each
one
of
those
lighting
plans
and
you
can
see
as
as
you're
looking
at
the
lighting
plan
itself.
Those
lights
do
not
impede
outside
of
the
property
line.
It's
a
very
small
area
that
they
illuminate
yeah.
F
F
A
Okay,
Colby
Griffin.
T
T
There's
a
couple
of
us
here
that
can
help
answer
some
of
your
Landscaping
questions,
but
two
of
the
things
that
I
had
heard
were
the
talking
about
the
caliper
size
of
the
trees.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
exterior
is
a
hundred
percent,
all
two
inch
or
seven
and
a
half
foot
or
taller
Conifer
trees
to
meet
the
requirements
and
then
on
the
interior.
T
The
reason
that
we
ask
for
smaller,
as
Todd
had
said,
was,
as
you
know,
a
two
inch
caliper
tree
is
almost
twice
the
price
as
an
inch
to
inch
and
a
half
caliper
tree,
and
it
doesn't
take
very
long
for
that
inch
and
a
half
caliper
tree
to
get
to
the
size
of
the
two
inch.
And
so
we
wanted
to
really
fill
this
in
with
trees
and
to
make
it
budget
friendly
for
the
owner.
T
We
can
put
a
lot
more
trees
in,
for
the
same
price,
do
an
inch
and
a
half
versus
two
inch
like
we're
going
to
do
on
the
exterior
and
then
I'm
here
to
stand
for
any
questions.
Any
questions.
T
And
the
interior
will
be
the
inch
and
a
half,
and
there
there
still
will
be
some
larger
caliper
sizes
in
there
mixed
in,
but
just
to
get
more
ins
in
the
interior
to
fill
in
that
large
of
a
space
and
stay
in
budget.
A
U
F
A
I
agree:
okay,
see
kingsy
Benjamin.
V
Shea
Benjamin
2241
West,
Whitelaw,
Drive,
Meridian,
Idaho,
83646,
I,
also
own
property
right
across
from
from
the
gun
range
I'm,
also
with
KC
landscape,
I'm,
the
owner
of
KC
landscape
and
we'll
be
the
ones
if
the
Project's
approved
to
install
the
landscape
Colby
covered
a
little
bit.
We
have
the
landscape
architect
here
that
can
answer
any
questions
as
well.
But
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
Justin
Griffin,
the
applicant
did
it
kind
of
in
a
in
a
two-stage
design?
V
First
off
he
designed
it
to
or
had
the
landscape
architect
design
it
to
meet.
All
the
standards
that
were
set
forth
with
a
put
with
a
point
system
around
the
whole
exterior
will
be
fencing
as
well
as
trees
and
some
berms
as
well
again.
V
Those
are
all
interior
bonus,
trees
that
don't
go
towards
the
standard
or
the
point
system
at
all,
also
in
in
doing
that,
I
think
in
good
faith
showed
that
he
was
truly
invested
in
this
project
as
the
estimate
to
do
what
the
standard
was
to
what
actually
got
designed
as
well
over
double
when
we
take
in
the
planting
and
the
irrigation
that's
going
to
have
to
go
in
or
the
watering
system.
V
So
as
well
as
there's
a
few
things
that
weren't
showed
on
there
there's
several
different
amenities,
such
as
pickleball
courts,
sand,
volleyball,
dog
park,
Pathways
and
convenience
store
that
are
going
to
be
on
site
designed
to
try
in
and
keep
people
there
and
be
able
to
enjoy
it
while
they're
there.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Any.
F
Yes,
go
ahead,
can
you
remind
me,
are
they
planning
to
tap
into
the
irrigation
for
watering
or
are
they
going
to
be
using
the
city,
water,
City,
Water,
okay,.
V
Yeah
yep
there's
no
current
for
water;
there's
no
current
irrigation
on
there
right
now.
Yes,
for
watering
purpose.
Currently
right
now,
there's
no
irrigation
water
on
there
right
now,
it's
all
dry
land,
so
when
they
tap
into
it,
that's
another
big
bonus,
they're
going
to
be
putting
water
back
in
the
ground
to
help
with
these
I.
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
Steve
Bowman.
W
Steve
Bowman
8910
South
Talon
Lane
in
Boise,
I'm
adjacent
to
the
proposed
Park
there's
references
made
to
the
subject:
property
being
grandfathered
in
for
commercial
use,
since
it
was
used
at
gun
range,
since
the
60s
being
used
as
a
shooting
range
only
implies
the
property
was
subject
to
conditional
use,
not
commercial
zoning
Section
8
of
the
zoning
ordinance
clearly
indicates
that
outdoor
shooting
ranges
are
only
allowed
in
RP
and
RR
zones
and
require
conditional
use
approval,
not
commercial
zoning.
W
This
property
is
not
zoned,
as
commercial
never
has
been
commercial.
Zoning,
as
you
know,
is
required
for
an
RV
park,
so
bring
being
grandfathered
in
in
this
case
simply
means
they
can
continue
using
it
as
a
gun
range.
Without
the
use
and
approval
outlined
in
section
8.,
it
does
not
apply
full
commercial
zoning,
but
rather
non-conforming
use.
This
simply
means
it
can.
Connect
continue
to
be
used,
as
it
has
been.
A
gun
range.
W
Non-Conforming
use
may
continue
as
long
as
use
remains
lawful
and
it's
not
expanded
or
extended.
For
the
purposes
of
this
article,
the
term
expanded
or
extended
shall
include,
but
not
be
limited
to
increased
hours,
increased
services
or
programs
increased
number
of
residential
dwellings,
interior
Renovations
or
structural
additions
that
increase
occupant
load.
W
That
is
how
it
is
reflected
on
the
assessor
website.
The
balance
of
the
property
32.7
Acres
would
remain
RP
zoned
and
thus
not
allow
an
RV
park.
Furthermore,
now
that
the
non-conforming
use
of
that
6.7
acres
has
ceased,
the
entire
property
would
revert
to
RP
zoning
and
no
longer
be
covered
by
the
non-conforming
use
clause,
and
thus
no
RV
park
is
allowed.
W
After
many
folks
testified,
then
it
switched
to
become
low-income
housing
later
in
the
in
the
meeting,
Mr
Beck
referred
to
a
micron
construction
workers,
the
five
ten
thousand
workers
so
you're,
either
going
to
use
it
for
worker
housing,
low
income,
housing
can't
be
both
and
then
neither
one
of
those
is
a
high-end
RV
Park.
A
A
Thank
you:
okay,
Sarah
Bolin,
Bowman.
A
A
A
Anybody
hear
from
from
28
55
Cole
Road
I
do
have
the
address
all
right,
we'll
move
on
then
Kendra
ropp
Ed
this
project.
Okay,
we
have
Paul
Norberg.
X
Y
That's
me,
but
I
was,
you
know,
testified
for
a.
AA
A
AA
A
AA
AA
Currently
asphalt,
but
it's
narrow
and.
A
AB
Matt
dalstrom
and
I
approved
this
motion
for
this
RV
Park.
Basically,
I'll
just
keep
it
short
and
sweet.
The
Ridgeview
project
has
been
more
than
transparent
with
the
public
and
with
you
Commissioners,
and
anyone
that
could
possibly
be
in
question
of
it
and
are
ready
to
make
South
Boise
a
blessing
to
live
in
they're
willing
to
do
more
than
what's
needed
to
give
back
to
the
community
and
provide
a
safe
and
very
beneficial
transformation
for
all
that
are
in
it.
AB
A
lot
of
these
are
sacrifices
that
are
on
the
table
that
are
going
to
benefit
the
public
that
in
some
way,
are
not
directly
benefiting
them
in
any
way,
including
lead
cleanup
and
what
and
whatnot
as
well.
But
there's
paths
in
steps
that
the
RV
park
is
willing
to
put
forward
to
help
South
Boise
and
help
the
residents
in
the
area
and
all
those
that
are
neighboring
as
well.
So
they
can
push
their
project
forward
and
it
would
be
in
the
benefit
of
South
Boise,
that's
hard
to
say,
but
I
am
for
this
project.
A
Thank
you,
Ann
Reynolds,.
I
C
AC
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
Commissioners
and
Jason
Mal
from
Parsons
Bailey
and
Latimer
I'm
appearing
on
behalf
of
Vicki
Catlin,
the
owner
of
40
acres
right
directly
to
the
east
of
the
project.
From
the
beginning
she
has,
and
I
have
appeared
on
her
behalf
at
each
meeting
really
from
day.
One
she's
just
questioned
this
application
going
forward
doesn't
make
sense
for
the
the
area
for
the
the
neighborhood
and
it's
just
does
not
fit
the
character
of
the
of
the
neighborhood.
AC
Of
course,
I
have
introduced
a
joint
letter
with
Mr
Tim,
Tyree
and
I.
Don't
intend
to
go
over
all
the
letter.
I
do
want
to
just
address
one
point
in
our
letter
and
especially
as
the
proposed
findings
have
come
out,
and
it
strikes
me
that
the
proposed
findings
fail
to
address
the
the
the
zoning
code
directly,
especially
sections
8-7-3
and
8-2c-1.
AC
The
zoning
amendments
8-7-3
requires
that
the
zoning
Amendment
complies
with
the
regulations
outlined
for
the
proposed
base.
District
82c-1
is
does
State
the
purpose
statement.
It
specifically
says
that
the
purpose
of
this
article
is
to
provide
commercial-based
districts
inside
areas
of
City
Impact
to
into
implement
the
applicable
comp
plan.
AC
More
specific,
specifically
in
B,
the
neighborhood
commercial
C1
District
that
they
propose
states
that
the
purpose
of
the
C1
district
is
to
establish
commercial
areas
near
residential
areas
that
provide
for
sale
of
the
limited
merchandise
and
services
required
by
the
population,
primarily
living
within
the
immediate
area.
As.
AC
The
in,
as
stated,
strikes
me
that
the
proposed
findings
don't
address
the
fact
that
it
says
that
it
must
be
inside
an
area
of
impact.
This
is
not
inside
an
area
of
impact,
and
nor
does
it
provide
services
that
are
required
by
the
prop
population
that
are
primarily
living
within
the
immediate
area.
AC
The
the
findings
do
try
to
get
around
it.
It
seems
like
by
stating
that
you
know
that
the
southeast
Asia
existing
land
use
map,
or
maybe
the
close
proximity
to
a
City
Impact
area,
maybe
should
be
substituted
for
City
Impact
in
the
code,
or
maybe
implies
also
that
the
historic
use
would
overcome
the
the
language
and
the
code
and
the
coordinator
growth
section.
The
Ada
County
comp
plan
is
also
cited
and
proposed
plans
any
questions.
Okay,.
F
Go
ahead,
maybe
you
could
help
me
out.
Just
really
summarize
your
your
legal
argument.
There
I
mean
I,
think
I'm
following
that
you're
saying
it's
outside
the
area
of
impact.
It
just
really
boil
it
down
for
me
to
your
Chief
legal
Point
here.
AC
AC
Zone
are
the
areas
of
City
Impact
and
that's
the
zoning,
the
text
of
the
zoning
code
at
8-2c-1,
and
so
and
so
legally
it
just
does
not
meet
the
the
direct
language
of
the
code,
and
so
it
seems
like
we
just
skipped
over
that
that
part
and
have
focused
on
other
parts
of
the
code
and
the
comp
plan.
F
P
Yeah
Mr
chairman
the
the
section
that
the
testifier
is
referring
to
is
in
our
commercial-based
district
purpose
statement.
It
specifies
that
the
purpose
of
the
article
that
I
specifies
the
requirements
for
commercial-based
districts
is
to
provide
districts
inside
of
area
City
impacts.
So
it's
part
of
the
purpose
statement
of
the
district.
So
it's
definitely
text
in
our
zoning
organs.
F
Okay,
well,
I
want
to
make
sure
you
get
to
get
it
on
the
record.
You
know
we,
it
probably
would
have
been
more
appropriate
at
the
previous
hearing,
because
we
gave
it
a
pretty
thorough
review.
F
This
hearing,
you
know,
is
largely
in
my
mind,
to
focus
on
the
proposed
landscaping
and
lighting
plans.
So
let
me
just
ask
if
your
client
has
any
objections
or
issues
with
the
proposed
Landscape
and
Lighting
plans.
AC
Yeah-
and
so
we
do
have
comments
to
address
to
that,
Mr
Tyree
was
going
to
address
those
he
has
signed
up
for
that
part
and
I
was
to
address
the
the
direct
language
in
the
code
itself.
Well,.
A
A
Thank
you.
We
have
Knox
Benjamin
Benjamin.
AD
AD
Right,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Lori.
Rach
and
I
live
on
9227
South,
Talon,
Lane,
right
adjacent
to
where
this
project
is
going
in
and
like
Mr
Bowman
put
it
a
lot
better
than
I
will,
but
calling
this
commercial
to
commercial
is
comparing
apples
to
oranges
you're
going
from
at
the
most
maybe
50
cars.
That
would
use
that
during
a
tournament
for
the
shooting
and
now
we're
going
to
talk
300
to
600
cars.
AD
Using
that
same
area,
that's
going
to
make
a
lot
more
congestion,
a
lot
more
issues,
it's
definitely
different
because
with
the
shooting
it
was
during
daylight
hours
only
and
it
wasn't
all
the
time
this
is
going
to
be
nighttime.
There's
going
to
be
headlights.
Light
pollution
is
going
to
be
increased
not
just
from
the
plant
the
RV
park
itself,
but
also
from
the
headlights
coming
and
going
with
that
many
more
cars
and
people
and
their
porch
lights,
and
all
that
I
think
it's
kind
of
saying
people.
AD
It's
a
babies
at
a
battleship
type
situation
when
you're
talking
about
affordable
housing,
because
310
units
is
not
going
to
fix
the
Ada
County
problem
with
need
of
affordable
housing.
It
is
going
to
heavily
impact
those
of
us
that
do
live
there
that
did
invest
in
moving
out
there
and
invest
constantly
in
our
properties
to
improve
them
on
Talon
Lane,
it's
a
private
road.
We
we
paved
that
ourselves
and
we
take
care
of
it
ourselves.
AD
We
invested
a
lot
and
it
will
deeply
impact
us,
but
not
have
much
effect
at
all
on
solving
the
housing
problem
in
Ada
County,
which
I
do
agree,
needs
to
be
solved
like
always
on
anything
any
decision
I
ever
make
it's
always
what's
the
profit
who's
going
to
profit
and
from
this
project
the
only
people
that
are
profiting
from
it
is
certainly
not
the
residence
there.
Certainly
not
the
people
in
need
of
horrible,
affordable
housing.
AD
AD
If
our
wells
go
dry,
hopefully
we're
not
going
to
look
at
that,
but
again,
if
this
project
doesn't
go
through,
we
don't
need
those
Road
improvements
and
lighting
improvements,
and
all
that
we
only
need
that
if
the
project
is
approved,
I
would
ask
that
the
Commissioners,
if
they
haven't
been
out
to
that
area,
go
out
and
see
the
area
and
see
how
this
just
doesn't
look
an
RV
park
doesn't
look
like
what's
existing
out
there
already.
It
has
a
huge
impact
to
those
of
us
who
live.
AD
Lastly,
if
you
haven't
seen
like
even
I,
haven't
even
seen
the
Google
Earth
of
the
neighborhood,
if
we
just
seen
that
and
seen
the
difference
of
what
implanting
this
310
slot
RV
park
in
that
area,
it
would
just
not
it
doesn't
fit.
It's
not
a
commercial
to
commercial.
Thank
you
for
your.
A
A
Okay,
Susan
privett.
G
G
At
the
last
I've
been
to
the
last
two
meetings
at
the
last
meeting,
I
brought
up
the
fact
if
this
thing
gets
approved,
the
third,
the
widening
of
the
road,
sounds
great
Lori,
our
neighbor
just
mentioned.
If
you
haven't
been
out
there,
you
need
to
go
out
there
and
see
it.
It's
rolling
land
like
this
and
Talon
Lane
goes
like
this.
Okay,
where
her
Vallejo
goes
like
this,
where
Talon
intersects
it
is
blind
in
two
different
ways.
The
same
thing
goes
for
talent
inter
intersecting,
Coal
Road.
These
are
really
dangerous.
Intersections.
G
Okay,
at
the
last
meeting
that
we
were
at
I,
says
hey.
If
this
thing
does
get
approved,
how
about
a
a
bike
path,
a
walking
path,
we've
got
as
as
one
of
the
the
lawyers
or
whatever
said
that
hey.
G
Houses
are
being
or
it's
creeping
out
towards
us.
Well,
people
are
using
Coal,
Road
and
Talon
for
their
walking
their
dogs
they're
riding
their
bikes,
they're
they're
jogging.
It's
a
lot.
Okay,
these
roads
are
too
narrow.
You
give
me
30
feet
and
they
said
at
the
last
meeting.
I
said:
oh
yeah.
Well,
we'll
extend
we'll
put
a
ice
pack.
If
this
thing
happens,
we
need
a
stand-alone
bike
path
or
jogging
pack,
like
you
have
down
along
the
river
okay,
it's
going
to
be
used
a
lot.
G
There
was
one,
oh
one,
other
thing:
I
am
really
unclear
where
the
sewer
for
this
project
is
going.
It
sits
on
top
of
the
of
the
New
York
canal,
where's,
the
sewer
for
all
this
stuff,
and,
lastly,
I'll
just
finish
whether
you
put
in
300
RVs,
you
put
in
two
people
per
car
per
RV
you're
talking
600
people.
This
is
a
lot
of
traffic
on
a
lot
of
people
and
it
has
a
big
impact
out
there
and
I
thoroughly
think
Bowman
and
wrath
gen
for
their
presentations.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
Mr.
F
Well,
just
let
me
make
a
comment
first,
as
far
as
Commissioners
going
out
and
looking
at
areas
before
we
vote
on
them,
our
lawyers
strongly
strongly
discourage
the
Commissioners
from
going
out
and
looking
at
any
project
before
we
deliberate.
So
that's
kind
of
why
we
don't
go
out
to
because
it
may.
G
Road
I'm
definitely
we'd
have
to
do
Talent.
Now
we
can't
force,
say:
hey:
Cole
Road
needs
it
desperately
too
from
Lake
Hazel
out
to
to
Holly
Lynn.
Okay,
it
we
got
just
in
two
hours
today,
I
counted
four
people
going
up
and
down
Cal
and
Talon,
and
then
you
see
it
at
up
and
down
coal.
You
see
it
up
and
down
Talon
as
well.
Okay,
this
this
creep,
that's
coming
out
here.
These
houses
they're
looking
for
a
safe
place
to
go,
and
that's
where
they
go.
G
One
or
two
of
you
may
have
not
been
here
last
time,
but
we
just
had
that
our
neighbor
killed
that
54
year
old,
Mrs,
I,
forgot
I've
got
her
name
down
here,
but
she
was
just
killed
a
couple
of
months
three
months
ago
and
it
was
at
it
was
at
where
Talent
intersects
Vallejo
and
if,
if
oh,
if
you
can't
go
out
there
and
see,
take
it
from
me
that
if
you
go
to
either
one
of
these
intersections,
be
real,
careful
and
watch
what
you're
doing
because
of
the
way
it
is.
G
Thank
you
I,
think
I
think
right
now,
I
think
Vallejo
and
Cole.
It's
a
it's
a
accident
waiting
to
happen
right
there.
Thank
you,
sir.
You
betcha!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
E
K
K
Dab
Unruh,
7877,
Stirrup,
Avenue,
Boise,
I
guess
I
did
not
make
it
to
the
other
two
meetings.
So
I
just
had
a
question:
if
I
can
of
what
exactly
is
the
proposal
for
the
sewer
out
there?
Do
you
know.
A
D
K
Okay,
all
right
well,
I
guess
then
I
don't
have
any
further
comment.
Oh.
AE
I'm
in
favor
of
this
project.
U
O
The
staff
report
issued
after
the
due
date
for
all
written
testimony
and
we
have
Mr
Leakey
Mr
leki's
letter
as
well
as
a
late
submittal.
Accordingly,
I
respectfully
request
additional
time
to
comment
on
the
report
and
I'd
like
to
request
a
tabling
of
tonight's
hearing
and
additional
time
to
keep
the
public
hearing
open
so
that
we
can
respond
Mr
leakey's
letter.
It
is
misleading,
as
we
have
the
applicants
project
as
well.
O
I
have
the
letter
submitted
today
on
behalf
of
myself
and
Mr
Mal
and
I
will
not
be
repeating
that
for
tonight's
testimony,
but
I
do
stand
behind
all
the
comments
made
to
be
clear.
My
clients
unconditionally
object
to
this
project.
No
condition
of
approval
will
make
this
project
an
acceptable
project.
O
The
staff
report
justifies
this
as
a
recreational
aspect
because
of
its
proximity
to
the
Peregrine
funds,
World
Center
for
Birds
of
gray
of
birds
of
prey.
That
is
a
misleading
statement.
There
is
no
there's,
no
reason
to
take
an
RV
park
to
the
Peregrine
fund,
Center
for
a
World
Center
for
Birds
of
Prey.
O
You
might
take
your
RVA
Park
out
to
the
Morley
Nelson
Snake
River
Birds
of
Prey,
but
you
would
not
take
it
to
the
museum
and
the
Outdoor
Rec
at
the
Peregrine
fund,
so
that
is
just
misleading
to
say
that
this
is
justifiable
as
a
recreational
park.
Because
of
that
nearby
recreational
aspect,
staff
knows
this
project
cannot
be
approved
as
affordable
housing.
So
they've
trumped
up
this
to
try
to
find
some
recreational
use
in
the
area.
O
The
staff
report
references
how
other
RV
parks
in
the
area
are
full
and
part
and
points
to
the
RV
park
at
the
fairgrounds
for
justification
for
this
project,
but
that
statement
too
is
misleading.
The
RV
park
at
the
fairgrounds
was
established
for
the
racetrack,
the
racetrack
hasn't
operated
since
2016.
It
was
developed
to
support
the
recreational
needs
of
the
equine
Community
as
they
would
come
and
they'd
bring
their
horses
in
they
stay
for
their
weekend.
Races.
There
was
no
longer
a
recreational
use
at
the
fairgrounds.
So
what
are
people
using
it?
O
For
they're,
using
it
as
affordable
housing,
this
project
cannot
be
approved
as
affordable
housing.
So
the
very
purpose
that
the
RV
park
at
the
fairgrounds
exists
is
the
very
reason
that
this
should
be
denied.
Rv
parks
are
not
safe
for
permanent
housing,
and
yet
that
is
what
the
applicant
even
tonight
continues
to.
Tout
I
realize
it's
a
human
trait
to
not
adequately
measure
a
the
risk
of
a
fatal
accident,
but
that's
exactly
what
we're
going
on
here
tonight
and
it's
a
difficult
decision
to
make
to
have
that
decision.
O
To
say
we
need
to
make
a
decision
that
protects
human
life,
and
here
we
want
to
have
affordable
housing.
But
what
we're
doing
is
we're
promoting
people
to
stay
in
in
in
in
RVs
that
are
not
designed
federally
protected
to
stay
away
from
permanent
housing.
But
that's
what
the
applicant
is
promoting.
Okay,.
O
Yes,
I
want
to
address
on
to
the
Landscaping
plan
so
as
to
a
caliper
of
tree.
It
is
not
a
being
cheap
is
not
a
justifiable
reason
for
creating
an
undue
hardship.
The
caliper
of
a
tree
is
set
at
two
inches,
because
that
is
what
takes
what
takes
for
a
mature
tree
to
stay
healthy.
You
make
a
smaller
twig
out
there,
a
one
inch
to
one
and
a
half
inch
and
they're
not
going
to
survive.
We
also
need
this
area
and
I
want
to
address
a
couple
of
items
on
the
Landscaping
plan.
O
This
staff's
report
says
this
project
is
within
the
roofie.
The
wildlife
Urban
Fire
interface
District.
It
is
not
a
condition
of
approval.
I
would
ask
that
you
add
it
to
a
condition
of
approval
that
the
woofie
overlay
district
is
complied
with.
Woofy
described
requires
a
50-foot
defensible
space,
yet
the
applicant
is
putting
trees
right
at
the
edge
of
the
property.
If
you're
going
to
create
a
defensible
area
and
you're
going
to
comply
with
the
Woofy
overlay,
have
a
50-foot
defensible
space
from
all
of
the
property
lines.
O
That's
what
the
canal
districts
are
requiring
do
not
impose
a
fire
hazard
on
my
client's
property.
With
that
approval.
I
would
also
request
that
you
have
as
a
conditional
approval
of
the
fire
hydrants
every
400
feet
from
every
space.
Are
you
going
to
cut
me
off?
Can
I
I
will
I
promise
not
to
duplicate
and
just
talk
about
conditions
of
rule
conditions
of
approval?
Five,
a
fire
hydrant
within
400
feet
of
every
RV
space.
A
condition
of
approval
should
be
the
clubhouse
should
not
be
allowed
to
have
beer
wine
or
alcohol
there.
O
Tonight's
hearing
does
not
comply
with
Idaho
code.
Section
67-6509,
as
a
commission's
denial
was
not
included
in
the
public
hearing
announcement.
I'd
point
you
to
the
agenda.
You
talk
about
the
the
the
gun
range.
The
gun
range
did
not
bring
310
neighbors
to
this
project
to
this
property
or
a
thousand
eight
1085
vehicle
trips
per
the
per
the
80
County
Highway
districts
report
1085
trips
per
day.
That
was
nowhere
near
and
yes,
I,
went
and
missed
many
clay
out
there
at
the
project
as
well.
O
Let's
say
hit
morning
I
made
but
I,
not
always
true,
and
as
to
commissioner
Davison,
you
made
the
comment
that
this
project,
this
tonight's
hearing,
was
to
focus
on
the
landscape
plan
and
not
on
the
area
of
impact.
The
concerns
over
the
area
impact.
This
project
is
not
within
the
area
of
impact.
It
does
not
meet
your
standards,
and
that
was
a
argument
that
I
made
in
my
original
letter
for
the
prior
hearing
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
A
Right,
gentlemen,
Judy
haray.
U
Richard
Rockford
9150,
South,
Holland
Lane
I
feel
that
when
I
testified
before
my
comments
were
misconstrued,
I
tried
to
point
out
the
differences
and
my
concerns
about
getting
to
this
point,
where
we
imposed
reasons
restrictions
on
the
project
to
get
approved,
but
I
am
not
in
favor
of
this
project
or
number
one
I'm,
not
in
favor,
because
it
doesn't
fit
the
character.
The
surrounding
area
number
two:
the
infrastructure
on
the
Dead
End
Road,
a
one-way
in
and
out,
is
not
sufficient,
even
if
it
gets
widened
safety.
U
U
The
density
of
this
project
by
my
calculations
is
80
times
what
the
existing
regulation
is
now
I'm
on
10
acres
I've
tried
to
split
it
into
two
fives
told
that's
not
allowed
in
the
area.
It's
in
so
I
can't
have
one
house
on
10
acres,
but
we're
going
to
put
80
times
that
on
this
40
acres.
A
A
Okay,
that's
all
I
have
for
written
for
public
testimony.
I
will
State
for
the
record
that
anyone
wants
to
submit
written
record
we'll
hold
that
open.
For
how
long
would
you
say.
Q
Q
A
L
L
A
AF
Evening,
Commissioners
Sonya,
Allen,
7685,
Vallejo,
Road
I'm,
opposed
to
the
proposed
map.
Amendment
zoning
change
and
conditional
use
permit
planning
staff
and
planning,
and
zoning
commission
recommended
Nile
of
this
project.
Rightfully
so
the
proposed
use
is
a
recreational
vehicle
park
is
not
the
same
as
a
mobile
home
park.
It
is
not
an
affordable
housing
option
as
it's
not
real
property.
AF
AF
The
requested
land
use
designation
of
commercial
is
not
consistent
with
the
County's
comprehensive
plan
or
compatible
with
adjacent
land
uses
and
designations,
and
the
proposed
development
is
not
compatible
with
the
rangeland
designation.
The
findings
for
a
conditional
use
permit
that
must
be
made
in
order
to
Grant
a
conditional
use.
Permit
per
state
statute
cannot
be
made,
as
noted
in
the
letter
from
Tai.
Excuse
me,
Tyree,
Bauer
and
baldner.
The
proposed
project
will
in
fact
create
an
undue
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
residential
rural
Residential
Properties.
The
proposed
use
is
not
consistent
with
the
existing
comprehensive
plan.
AF
The
proposed
use
will
be
detrimental
to
the
public
safety
and
Welfare
as
the
roads
in
this
area
are
not
built
to
safely
handle
the
traffic
this
use
will
generate
and
there
is
no
pedestrian
facilities
in
this
area.
Even
if
Vallejo
is
widened
in
front
of
this
property,
Cole
Road
leading
to
the
property
is
substandard
for
the
as
much
traffic
as
this
development
will
generate
and
has
no
pedestrian
facilities.
Vallejo
Road
dead
ends
to
the
west
of
this
property.
I,
don't
know
how
emergency
fire
service
can
be
provided
or
Emergency
Medical
Service
can
be
provided.
AF
AF
A
D
A
AG
AG
Just
listening
to
a
few
of
the
common
comments
tonight
and
wanting
to
speak
more
on
the
behalf
of
commissioner
daily,
just
in
case
missing
previous
hearings.
But
I
will
keep
this
to
the
landscape.
Did.
AG
Apologize
Sebastian,
griffin752,
West,
Heatherwood,
Drive,
Nampa,
Idaho
83686,
previously
one
of
the
major
comments
that
stuck
out
about
the
approval
this
plan
and
the
project
was
this
only
benefits
the
friends
and
the
families
of
the
developers
and
I
want
to
just
oppose
specifically.
This
has
already
benefited
more
than
half
a
dozen
small
business
owners
within
the
valley,
whether
that
be
landscapers,
engineers,
attorneys
or
individuals,
just
giving
up
their
time
to
come
out.
AG
It
will
benefit
local
businesses.
It
will
benefit
over
300
individuals,
couples
or
families
in
the
summertime
to
be
able
to
have
somewhere
that
to
go
and
stay
as
well,
and
this
will
benefit
the
neighbors
with
surrounding
of
the
surrounding
properties,
with
water
access
an
extended
Road.
Previously.
Last
year
there
was
an
accident
on
the
road
that
was,
it
came
down
to
it.
AG
Somebody's
life
was
taken
in
that
accident
because
of
everything
they're
saying
the
roads
are
too
small
and
the
developers
willing
to
go
above
and
beyond
to
make
that
30
feet,
plus
an
additional
three
foot
shoulders.
On
each
side,
there
have
been
over
60
non-developer
individuals,
taxpayers
that
have
come
out
and
spoken
in
support
of
this
application
in
this
project
here
and
far,
all
the
legality
I'm
sure
Todd's
going
to
hit
it
out
of
the
park,
he's
well
prepared.
A
Questions
for
Mr
Griffin,
no
questions;
okay,.
A
A
O
R
Just
to
respond
to
Mr
tyree's
comment:
Mr
chairman
I
I
was
the
applicant's
representative
tonight.
I
was
the
one
that
was
given
the
15
minutes.
Additional
individuals
can
speak
for
three
minutes.
So
there's.
AI
R
My
comment
Mr
chairman
for
the.
R
Mr
chairman
I
spoke
as
the
applicant's
representative
tonight.
Other
individuals
can
speak
and
have
their
three
minutes
on
either
side
of
the
aisle
so
to
speak,
so
I'm,
the
one
that's
confined
to
the
15
and
the
five
rebuttal,
not
other
members,
whether
they're
in
favor
or
in
opposition.
So
no
additional
time
is
needed.
R
Ahead,
Mr,
chairman
and
Commissioners
again
before
we
start
Todd
Lakey
address
141
East,
Carlton,
Avenue,
Meridian
Idaho,
with
Borton
Lakey
law,
Mr
chairman,
a
number
of
the
folks
tonight
went
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
hearing
in
regards
to
the
comprehensive
plan
Amendment,
but
I'll
address
a
couple
of
them:
I'm,
also
careful
Mr
chairman
and
the
words
that
I
use
Mr
Tyree
used
the
word
misleading
I
won't
use
that
word.
I'll
simply
describe
his
analysis
as
lacking
depth
and
insufficient.
R
The
opponents
argue
that
your
code
does
not
provide
for
a
C1
use
in
this
location
and
they
reference
the
general
statement
at
the
introduction
of
8-2c-1,
which
is
essentially
the
intent
language,
the
general
language
in
regard
to
your
commercial-based
districts,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
the
actual
zoning
ordinance
Amendment
section,
which
is
8-7-3
States
more
specifically,
that
the
zoning
ordinance
Amendment
complies
with
the
regulations
outlined
for
the
proposed
base
districts,
specifically
the
base
District
purpose
statement
and
your
base.
District
purpose
statement
is
not
what
they
cited.
R
You
have
to
read
that
purpose
statement
in
conjunction
with
the
rest
of
your
zoning
ordinance
and
the
rest
of
your
zoning
ordinance
provides
that
in
a
C1
District,
an
RV
park
is
allowed
by
conditional
use.
Permit
you
can't
read
those
two
separately.
If
that
did
not
comply
with
that
purpose
statement,
then
an
RV
park
would
not
be
allowed
by
conditional
use
permit
in
a
C1
Zone.
R
R
My
discussion
about
the
designation
for
the
property
clearly
follows
the
comprehensive
plan
which
calls
out
that
your
existing
designation,
your
existing
use
map,
is
to
be
used
in
conjunction
with
your
future
land
use
map,
and
that's
what's
before
you
tonight
is
the
member
of
the
future
land
use
map.
This
property
is
designated
commercial
in
your
existing
land
use
map.
So
it's
to
be
used
can,
in
conjunction
with
that
future
land
use
map.
Amendment
decision
I
showed
the
page,
it's
the
property
in
red.
That's
your
existing
use
map.
So
there's
no
question
about
that.
Designation.
R
The
comprehensive
plan
text
we
went
through
that
that
clearly
supports
the
amendment
of
The
comprehensive
plan
future
land
use
map.
There
are
numerous
numerous
goals
and
policies
that
support
the
change
and
designation
on
the
future
land
use
map.
It's
support.
It's
supported
by
the
recreational
provisions
of
your
code.
It's
supported
by
the
the
good
stewardship
Provisions,
the
agricultural
preservation
Provisions,
the
community
coordination
Provisions
I
went
through
all
of
those
in
my
initial
presentation.
R
The
road
improvements
will
be
made
to
support
the
change
in
designation.
The
violia
water
will
be
provided,
as
was
discussed,
to
support
the
change
in
designation.
The
growth
to
the
north
was
described
in
the
staff
report
and
there
was
also
a
reference
to
the
demand
for
the
commercial
in
this
particular
location.
R
Again,
Commissioners
the
arguments
in
regard
to
the
rezone
and
the
conditional
use
permit
are
outside
the
scope
of
this
evening
was
clarified
that
the
Landscaping
plan,
the
exterior,
meets
the
two
inch
caliper
standards
we're
exceeding
the
standards
on
the
interior.
The
irrigation
will
be
provided
from
violia
water,
which
will,
as
was
also
known,
to
provide
recharge.
R
The
commercial
designation
was
discussed.
The
zoning
decision
again
was
addressed
at
the
previous
hearing
and
we
meet
the
criteria
for
that
in
regard
to
compliance
with
your
ordinance
requirements.
R
Commissioners
I'll,
just
conclude
by
saying
the
request
this
evening
is
for
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment,
we
meet
the
requirements
containing
your
comprehensive
plan
for
the
amendment
of
The
Future
land
use
map
in
compliance
with
your
existing
map
and
the
criteria
and
far
as
the
goals
and
the
policies
in
your
plan,
I
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
them.
F
R
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner
Davidson,
so
a
grandfather
is
essentially
a
lawful
non-conforming
use,
focuses
on
the
use
itself.
That's
separate
from
your
existing
use
map.
Your
existing
use
map
is
simply
a
designation
in
your
comprehensive
plan,
doesn't
guarantee
any
particular
use.
It's
simply
a
component
of
your
consideration
when
it
comes
to
rezoning
property,
but
a
lot
of
online
conforming
use
is
something
that
existed
prior
to
your
zoning
ordinance
being
in
place.
It's
allowed
to
continue.
R
It's
not
allowed
to
expand
you
Beyond
its
scope,
but
I
I'm,
confident
that's
what
generated
your
designation
on
your
map,
but
other
than
that
it.
The
the
map
designation,
is
what
it
is
and
that
historic
uses
certainly
had
its
practical
impacts
on
the
area
since
1967.,
but
it's
it.
The
non-conforming
use
status
is
really
Irrelevant.
In
regard
to
the
analysis
for
the
comprehensive
plan
designation,
Amendment
and
the
rezone.
A
A
You've
asked
for
the
the
that
we
limit
the
time
and
we
I
just
want
to
make
note
that
we
granted
you
up
almost
twice
the
time
that
was
normally
allotted
for
Testimony.
You
got
about
six
minutes
instead
of
three
I.
Think
we've
been
very
fair
in
this
in
this
hearing
anyway,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing.
I
A
Okay
and
any
other
exhibits
you
need
to
add,
to
that
add
to
the
record
no
Mr
chairman,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
anybody
that
wants
to
submit
additional
comments
will
keep
the
comment
period
open
for
those
posts
till
Friday
at
five
o'clock.
Here's
go
ahead.
Q
The
staff
will
be
gone
by
five
o'clock,
so
I
suggest
that
you
keep
the
comment
period.
Written
testimony
can
be
submitted
up
to
4
P.M
Friday,
okay,.
U
Q
Then
Mr
Leahy
has
until
4
pm
on
Monday
the
it's
4
P.M
on
the
10th
of
February,
for
the
comments
from
anybody.
Mr
Leakey
has
rebuttal
to
the
13th
at
4
P.M,
and
then
you
can
review
that
and
come
back
and
make
a
decision
at
your
OBM
on
the
21st
of
February.
Does
that
work,
for
you
have
enough
time
to
redo
everything.
A
I
think
so,
yeah
I
think
that's
what
we,
what
we've
included
so
we're
keeping
the
public
comment
period
open
until
the
for
those
for
those
opposed
or
just
any
other
comments.
Anybody
can
comment.
Anybody
opposed
or
or
a
favor
can
can
submit
public
comment
until
4
P.M
on
the
10th,
that's
Friday
the
10th,
and
then
we
will
allow
the
Mr
Mr
Todd
Lakey
to
respond
by
4
P.M
on
Monday,
the
13th
and
then
and
then
it
will
be
closed.
A
But
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
tonight
for
the
for
this
purposes,
I'll
close
that
public
hearing-
and
we
will
then
we'll
now
discuss
the
the
issue.
But
we
are
not
going
to
make
a
final
decision
until
we
get
get
the
updated
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
that
we're
gonna.
A
Well,
close,
probably
carrying
till
till
for
application,
202-201-728,
CPA,
z,
c
d,
a
CU
MSP
that
probably
carrying
is
closed
and
now
we'll
take
it
up
for
discussion
amongst
the
amongst
the
commission.
C
Mr
chairman,
yes,
because
it
was
mentioned
and
I
am
new
to
the
commission
and
appreciate
that
fact
that
I
appreciate
what's
been
said
here
tonight.
I
have
reviewed
the
testimony,
so
I
have
reviewed
the
record,
both
the
written
as
well
as
the
verbal
testimony
from
before
I
appreciate.
What's
happened
tonight
as
well.
So
I
did
want
to
make
that
as
part
of
the
record
as
well
I'm,
not
making
the
my
decision
in
the
abstract
in
terms
of
what's
gone
on
here
today
or
previously.
F
A
When
we'll
make
our
final
decision
after
we
hear
after
we
consider
all
the
all
the
public
testimony
all
right,
we'll
do
that
which
will.
A
A
Deferring
this
so
we'll
I
will
accept
a
motion
on
that
regard
to
table
this
until
the
21st
at
10
o'clock.
F
Is
there
a
motion
just
wondering,
if
do
the
does
the
board
need
to
make
any
more
comment
before
we
so
we'll
have
a
full
deliberation
after
we
table
at
an
open
business
meeting?
Yes,
okay,
well
Mr,
chair
in
in
light
of
that,
I
will
move
to
table.
F
202-201-728-Cpa
Dash
z,
c
Dash
D
a
dash
CU
Dash
MSP
for
the
purpose
of
keeping
the
record
open
and
to
consider
any
new
written
testimony
that
may
come
in
prior
to
Friday
at
4
pm.
A
We
have
next
up
for
consideration
new
business
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
on
application,
202-202-449
zcd-a-c-u-m-s-p.
H
H
The
proposed,
Field,
Station
and
convenience
store
would
include
eight
fuel
pumps
and
an
8149
square
foot
store.
The
parking
plan
includes
26
total
parking
spaces,
24
of
which
are
standard
stalls
and
two
Ada
stalls.
The
star.
The
hours
of
the
store
are
expected
to
be
Monday
through
Thursday
from
5
a.m,
to
9pm
Friday
and
Saturday
from
5
AM
to
10
p.m
and
closed
on
Sunday.
The
development
would
operate
on
well
and
septic
until
services
are
available
to
the
site.
H
The
city
of
Meridian
did
provide
comments
on
the
application
with
concerns
regarding
the
project
aligning
with
the
comprehensive
plan
due
to
the
single-use
nature
of
the
project
they
stated.
Mixed-Use
neighborhood
is
not
intended
for
Standalone
community
and
Regional
uses,
and
that
development
should
be
primarily
residential
with
supporting
non-residential
uses
and
that
the
application
would
better
serve
the
community
if
it
contributed
towards
the
efficient
expansion
of
utilities.
H
H
Other
agency
comments
that
were
submitted
for
this
application
include
Meridian
fire,
who
stated
that
the
project
can
be
served
by
them,
but
it
is
outside
of
their
current
response
times.
If
approved,
the
applicant
will
need
to
provide
adequate
fire
flow
for
fire
sprinklers
and
firefighting
and
provide
a
backup
generator
for
the
well
Central
District
Health
stated
that
the
applicant
is
working
through
their
nutrient
pathogen
study
and
a
decision
on
septic
approval
cannot
be
given
until
that
process
is
complete.
H
The
Ada
County
Highway
District
provided
a
report
stating
that
the
roads
are
at
an
acceptable
level
of
service.
For
this
proposal,
the
existing
write
and
write-out
access
on
10
Mile
Road
will
need
to
be
closed.
An
additional
right-of-way
is
required
to
be
dedicated
along
with
Road
widening
and
sidewalk.
Construction
staff
in
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
are
recommending
approval
of
the
zoning
ordinance
map,
Amendment
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan,
with
the
removal
of
condition
number
21
that
accidentally
included
the
incorrect
hours
of
operation.
If
approved.
F
So
the
the
last
bullet
point
there
better
serve
the
community
if
it
contributed
toward
efficient
expansion
of
utilities.
What
what
is
what
do
you
think
that
means.
H
Chairman
commissioner,
Davidson
generally,
the
expansion
of
utilities
follows
development,
so,
as
development
occurs
down
to
roadway,
the
utilities
continue
with
it
and
go
to
the
next
site
or,
as
you've
heard,
with
the
RV
park,
the
applicant
chooses
to
bring
utilities
to
a
site
with
their
proposal.
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
utilizing
septic
as
water
and
sewer
are
farther
away
from
the
site,
and
so
it's
not
bringing
utilities
along
with
it.
C
You
yeah
I
have
a
question
go
ahead
in
regard
to
that.
How
far
is
the
city
of
meridian's
utility
hookups.
H
Chairman
commissioner,
Daley
I
do
not
know
the
exact
location
of
their
sewer.
At
this
time
it
was
stated
from
the
fire
department
that
they
believed
water
hookups
are
about
a
mile
away.
AK
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
chat
from
the
board?
Okay.
Thank
you.
The
applicant
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
is
the
applicant
here:
okay,.
A
AL
All
right,
my
name
is
Becky
izigiri,
2471,
South,
titanium,
Place,
Meridian,
Idaho
83642,
so
I'm
thrilled
to
present
Legacy,
Feed
and
Fuel
at
corner
store
and
fuel
station
next
slide.
AL
As
you
can
see,
this
area
desperately
needs
a
gas
station.
The
closest
one
is
three
miles
away
to
the
East
and
is
precisely
why
Planning
and
Zoning
recommended
approval,
because
they
saw
a
need
for
a
corner
store
and
gas
station.
In
this
area
side
we
are
requesting
approval
of
the
we
are
requesting
our
approval
to
rezone
the
6.31
acre
parcel
from
rut
to
C1
neighborhood
community
commercial.
The
proposed
C1
district
is
to
establish
commercial
near
residential
areas
that
provide
limited
merchandise
and
services
to
folks
living
and
working
in
the
immediate
area.
AL
The
proposed
corner,
store
and
fuel
station
fully
meets
this
definition
and
we
are
concurrently.
We
are
concurrently
asking
for
approval
for
conditional
use,
permit
and
development
agreement.
AL
The
corner
store
will
face
both
10
Mile
and
Amity,
and
offered
drinks,
food
and
everyday
essentials
that
neighborhood
residents
and
local
workers
need.
It
will
feature
easy
parking
and
safe
pedestrian
access
for
from
both
roads,
with
sidewalks,
Pathways
and
pedestrian
Crossing
provided
for
safe
and
convenient
walking
or
biking.
AL
This
request
is
only
for
the
six
acre
parcel
supporting
the
corner,
store
and
fuel
station,
but
I
want
to
show
you
our
future
plans
for
the
rest
of
the
site.
In
addition,
we'll
propose
an
ecosystem
of
thriving
Enterprises
that
illustrate
a
mix
of
community
place-based
uses.
We
intend
to
incorporate
a
mix
of
neighborhood
serving
uses
such
as
retail,
commercial
restaurants
and
open
space.
AL
AL
This
project
fully
meets
the
requirements
of
the
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan
and
will
eventually
meet
the
requirements
of
City
meridian's
comp
plan.
The
city
designates
the
site
as
mixed-use
neighborhood
intended
for
neighborhood
serving
uses,
but,
as
you
can
see,
the
property
is
miles
from
the
city
of
Meridian
and
annexation
will
not
be
possible
for
many
years,
which
is
why
we're
only
proposing
the
corner
store
and
fuel
station.
AL
AL
AL
These
improvements
to
provide
water
to
the
site,
a
12
inch
water
main,
would
have
to
be
extended
over
2.7
miles
from
the
intersection
of
Linder,
Road
and
Amity
to
near
Victory
Road
along
10
Mile
Road.
Unfortunately,
the
cost
of
extending
these
utilities
to
the
site
is
not
feasible
for
this
development.
AL
We
are
working
with
DEQ
idwr
and
Central
District
Health
to
obtain
permits
for
a
specific,
well
system
at
the
site,
or
for
septic
and
well
on
the
site.
Once
sewer
and
water
become
available,
the
well
and
septic
would
be
decommission
per
DEQ
standards,
and
then
we
would
connect
to
City
Utilities.
At
that
point
next
slide,
the
corner
store
will
front
both
10
Mile
and
Amity,
increasing
accessibility
and
pedestrian
safety.
The
architect
designed
the
building
to
let
as
much
natural
line
in
as
possible.
The
color
palette
has
been
selected
to
blend
in
with
the
surrounding
area.
AL
AL
AL
The
canopy
height
will
be
19.5
feet,
which
is
lower
than
the
maximum
of
20
feet
per
Ada
County
code.
The
corner
store,
has
a
floor
area
of
8
149
square
feet.
It
is
expected
that
the
gas
pumps
will
operate,
24,
7
and
the
store
will
be
open.
Monday
through
Thursday
5
a.m,
to
9
p.m,
Friday
and
Saturday,
from
nine
or
from
5
a.m,
to
10
p.m
and
close
Sundays.
AL
These
hours
may
change
based
on
customer
demand,
the
owner
estimates.
The
store
will
eventually
attract
between
800
and
a
thousand
customers,
but
I
may
start
off
with
a
range
of
four
to
six
hundred
the
owner
plans
to
have
a
total
of
10
employees
with
a
maximum
of
four
working
at
one
time
next
slide.
AL
AL
AL
According
to
Ada
County
code,
a
10
foot
wide
landscape
buffer
is
required
for
all
commercial
and
industrial
areas
along
the
collector
roads.
However,
we
have
taken
it
a
step
further
by
increasing
the
width
of
of
the
overall
landscape
buffers
from
10
to
25
feet,
enhancing
the
overall
appearance,
the
proposed
landscape
buffers
will
comprise
of
the
required
grass
trees
and
shrub
with
which
will
act
as
a
barrier
between
the
roadways
and
reduce
light
pollution,
while
also
adding
a
touch.
AL
AL
We
request
that
you
approve
this
application
with
the
conditions
that
are
included
in
the
staff
report.
These
conditions
include
complying
with
the
overall
site
plan
that
was
shown
tonight,
Services
as
they
become
available
complying
with
Meridian
fire
department
and
achd
standards
and
generally
complying
with
the
city
of
meridian's
comprehensive
plan.
AL
AL
So,
as
you
can
see,
we've
been
thoughtful
with
our
design
and
have
made
it
a
point
to
work
with,
with
both
Ada
County,
the
city
of
Meridian,
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
would
work
for
both
the
city,
the
county
and
the
residents
living
in
the
area.
We
believe
this
project
will
be
a
valuable
addition
to
the
community
and
we
are
eager
to
bring
the
much
needed
services
to
this
area.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
I'll
stand
for
questions
are.
C
My
questions
relate
to
water.
You
indicated
that
the
water
wasn't
going
to
be
with
City
Meridian
and
it's
going
to
be
on
the
wells.
Are
you
anticipating
several
questions,
but
first
question:
are
you
anticipating,
because
that
is
now
irrigated
land
Farmland
right.
AL
Currently,
I
don't
think
it's
being
farmed
at
all.
I
think
this
is
are.
C
AL
AL
It
will
be
used.
The
well
water
will
be
used
to
irrigate
the
the
Landscaping
okay.
C
So
that
that
relates
to
my
next
question,
then
the
well
itself
is:
how
deep
is
it
going
to
be
and
what
aquifers
are
going
to
get
water
out
of
I
said
you
know:
do
you
understand
where
the
availability
of
water
that's
going
to
be
used?
I.
AL
AM
So
David
Sterling,
with
Tito
Engineers,
2471
South,
titanium
place
so
existing
the
the
40
acres
is
being
farmed
with
surface
water
there's
also
before
the
six
acres
was
split
off
of
it.
That's
where
Greenfield
meets
is
at.
They
have
an
existing
well
and
a
water
right
for
that
as
well.
AM
C
AM
I,
don't
know
specifically
how
deep
it's
going
to
be.
We
have
looked
at
the
existing
Wells
out
there,
so
we
know
that
we
can
produce
that
much
water,
but
we
haven't
actually
put
them
in
part
of
our
process
of
getting
both
our
septic
and
our
well
approvals
is
to
put
in
that
test
well
and
do
a
drawdown
and
prove
that
we
have
the
water
there.
It's
an
expensive
process
to
do
that,
and
so
we've
been
waiting
until
we
get
through
this
approval
before
we
go.
C
AM
Asking
well
we've
reviewed
other
Wells
logs
in
the
area,
so
we
have
a.
We
know,
there's
water
there,
but
we
haven't
gone
and
drilled
it
and
proved
it
which
we
have
to
do
and
that's
all
part
of
the
permitting
process
through
the
health,
district
and
idwr.
A
Is
there
anyone
else
from
here?
I,
don't
have
anybody
in
the
in
our
form
here
anybody
else
wish
to
testify
on
this
application,
if
not
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
application,
202-202,
four:
four
nines,
z,
c
d:
a
c:
u
m
s,
p!
The
hearing
being
closed.
It's
up
to
the
commission
now
to
make
a
decision.
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
application.
F
Hello
Mr,
chair,
I
I,
think
I
was
impressed
with
the
presentation
it
looks
like
it
would
be.
A
nice
addition
to
the
to
the
neighborhood
appears
from
the
evidence
that
there's
a
need
for
a
gas
station
and
in
that
part
of
the
county,
pleased
that
we
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
opposition.
It
looks
like
there's,
none,
which
kind
of
leads
me
to
believe
that
this
is
something
that
the
neighborhood
is
supportive
of
I.
Also,
like
the
you
know,
the
designs
of
future
Concepts
there,
obviously
that's.
F
You
know
you're
not
bound
to
those
designs,
we're
only
looking
at
the
the
convenience
store
and
the
fuel
station
there,
which
I
think
it.
It
was
a
nice
design.
It
seems
to
be
a
good
fit
for
the
neighborhood,
so
I'm
leaning
towards
approval.
A
Go
ahead,
I
I.
C
Would
agree
with
commissioner
Davidson
in
terms
of
the
presentation,
but
I
have
a
question
for
staff
again
and
did
you
do
any
kind
of
review
of
water
in
the
application.
C
F
Just
had
one
other
question
for
staff:
there's
nothing
in
the
proposal
for
electric
car
charging
station
with
this.
Is
there
chairman.
H
F
I
think
that
may
be
something
that
we
should
probably
look
at
for
future
developments,
since
that's
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
infrastructure,
but
it's
not
a
requirement
now,
but
thank
you.
A
Okay,
well,
the
how
to
carrying
is
closed
and
do
we
have
a
motion.
P
F
Right
so
with
that
I
will
move
to
table
application.
F
H
F
P
I'm
Mr,
chairman
and
Commissioners
that
the
February
28th
open
business
meeting
would
give
us
adequate
time
to
prepare
those
documents.
A
H
F
A
A
A
-404-A
pasculi
Johnson,
Stone,
friends
of
Eagle,
attenborg
Brown,
the
application
or
the
I've
opened
the
public
hearing
on
that
application.
So
go
right
ahead.
Stop
we'll
hear
from
our
staff
first
and
then
we'll
hear
from
the
Apple.
AN
Foreign,
thank
you
chairman,
Commissioners
and
I
I
do
anticipate
you
laying
some
ground
rules
for
the
appellant
testimony
time
frames.
We've
got
quite
a
few
attached
to
this
one,
so
I
guess
whenever
you
feel
ready
to
do
that,
but
I'm
happy
to
present.
At
this
point.
A
Yes,
we're
going
to
to
limit
the
the
presentation
of
the
applicants,
all
the
applicants
to
10
minutes
each
and
then
we'll
take
public
testimony
for
three
minutes
and
then
we'll
allow
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
Thank
you.
AN
Chairman
all
right,
thank
you,
chairman
Commissioners.
The
item
before
you
is
an
appeal
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission's
approval
of
a
winery.
There
are
actually
several
appeals
for
this
project,
including
an
appeal
from
the
original
applicant
himself
to
affirm
the
PNC's
approval
but
modify
a
number
of
conditions
as
well
as
five
appeals
from
neighboring
Property
Owners,
requesting
the
pnz's
approval
be
overturned.
E
AN
AN
Depicted
here
is
the
site
plan
submitted
for
the
original
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan.
It
should
be
noted
that
the
applicant
withdrew
their
request
for
a
tasting
room,
so
the
only
business
activity
allowed
for
the
winery
would
be
the
24
promotional
events
annually
of
no
more
than
50
attendees.
AN
All
events
would
be
held
in
the
existing
Vineyard,
and
you
can
see
those
Vines
here
on
the
aerial,
as
use
of
existing
structures
on
site
are
prohibited
by
the
planning
approval
here
tonight
in
front
of
us,
the
building
official
who
would
have
to
change
the
occupancy
of
those
buildings
if
someone
wanted
to
occupy
them
for
commercial
use,
as
well
as
essential
District
Health
Department,
who
has
been
working
with
the
property
owner
on
some
septic
related
issues
as
well.
So
again,
all
events
outdoors
in
the
vineyard
just
want
to
make
that
very
clear.
AN
There
is
no
Tasting
Room
associated
with
this
approval,
so
in
terms
of
the
appeals
themselves,
I'll
start
with
Mr
pasculi's,
the
original
applicant.
So,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning
of
this
conversation,
our
presentation,
he
wants
to
affirm
the
planning
and
zoning's
approval
of
the
project,
but
he
wants
to
modify
a
number
of
conditions.
AN
There
was
a
late
exhibit
memo
provided
by
Mr
pasculi's
attorney
that
sort
of
further
detailed
some
of
the
requests
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
and
I'll
Tee
It
Up
for
Mr
pasculi
or
his
attorney
to
kind
of
further
detail
what
they
wanted
out
of
those
but
the.
In
summary,
those
requests
were
to
remove
the
condition
prohibiting
parking
along
burp
place
and
the
private
driveway
Albert
Place
is
a
local
roadway.
It
is
a
public
roadway.
You
know.
Typically,
we
don't
get
to
restrict
parking
in
public
roadways.
AN
That's
achg's
responsibility,
but
you
know
similar
to
a
lot
of
projects
like
this.
We
have
said
all
parking
needs
to
occur
on
site
for
the
project,
so
so
that
that's
something
that
Mr
Pascal
is
asking
to
revise.
He
thinks
that
he
can
work
out
some
parking
Arrangements
through
an
updated
parking
plan
that
might
satisfy
our
code
a
little
bit
better
and
be
more
palatable.
AN
Oftentimes,
that's
a
commercial
parking
lot
where
people
are
shuttled
to
the
site.
Mr
pasculi
also
has
a
facility
in
Garden
City,
which
I
think
he
offered
up
the
last
hearing
as
a
possible
shuttle
pickup
area
to
the
site,
but
because
he
thinks
it
can
accommodate
some
parking
on
site.
He's
asked
that
to
be
removed
and
just
be
able
to
accommodate
parking
on
site
again.
His
attorney
and
Mr
vasculi
can
better
detail
that
for
you
and
then
finally,
there
was
requests
for
for
a
two-year
review.
AN
Once
the
operation
of
the
winery
commences
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
Mr
musculi,
originally
asked
to
have
that
removed.
However,
in
talking
to
his
attorney,
they
really
just
want
that
modified
in
that,
if
there
is
an
issue
with
the
project,
they're
happy
to
meet
in
two
years.
Otherwise
you
know
the
conditional
use
just
allows
to
move
forward.
So
again,
I
really
want
them
to
detail
what
they
want
out
of
those
modifications.
AN
The
Planning
and
Zoning
commissions
approval
be
overturned,
thus
denying
the
winery
so
they're
really
kind
of
four
major
areas
of
concern
that
they
based
their
request
on
and
I'll.
Just
kind
of
read
these
into
the
record.
Nearby
Property
Owners
will
be
adversely
impacted
by
traffic
noise
and
patrons
of
the
winery
traveling
from
outside
of
the
area
to
Mr,
vasculi's
home
and
the
vineyard
and
proposed
Winery.
AN
AN
There
was
a
statement
that
roadways
in
the
area
lack
adequate
improvements
to
support
the
proposed
use,
particularly
the
traffic
that
would
be
generated
by
the
the
new
winery
third
point,
along
with
commercial
use
in
a
predominantly
residential
area,
is
out
of
compliance
with
our
code
and
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
finally,
the
proposed
use
is
not
a
winery
because
they
do
not
have
enough
acreage
and
production
regarding
wine.
Grapes
are
not
proposing
to
produce
one
on
site
that
will
not
have
a
tasting
room.
AN
As
a
result,
the
proposed
use
is
actually
an
event
center.
So
in
terms
of
Point
number
one,
as
stated
in
the
staff
report,
you
know
several
conditions
were
placed
on
the
project
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
in
an
attempt
to
mitigate
some
of
those
impacts.
So
those
are
things
that
you
should
consider
in
response
to
that
comment
from
this
appealing
party
or
group
of
appellants
achd
did
not
provide
comment
on
the
project.
AN
Unfortunately,
that's
becoming
more
normal
these
days
with
the
highway
district,
as
they
have
complained
about
being
too
busy
to
look
at
projects
of
this
size.
They
also
have
said
the
use
is
in
existence,
so
we
don't
anticipate
additional
traffic
impacts.
However,
lack
of
comment
from
each
of
the
highway
district,
we
really
don't
have
any
requests
for
improvements
to
the
roadways
and
we
don't
have
any
indication
that
the
roads
can't
handle
the
project,
so
that's
kind
of
the
best
response
we
have
to
that.
AN
Second,
one:
allowing
commercial
use
in
a
predominantly
residential
areas,
out
of
compliance
with
our
code
and
comprehensive
plan.
This
isn't
a
rural
residential
district
was
which
does
allow
for
a
limited
number
of
commercial
uses,
as
stated
in
the
staff
report.
Actually,
five
of
the
seven
wineries
approved
the
native
accounting
are
in
the
world
residential
districts,
so
we
have
allowed
for
these
types
of
uses
in
that
district
and
as
detailed
in
the
letter
from
Brent
Moore.
AN
Concerning
the
comprehensive
plan
he's
our
long-range
planner
here
at
Ada
County,
it
was
found
to
be
in
compliance
based
on
its
supported
agriculture,
agriculturally
adjacent
uses
and
so
forth,
and
then,
finally,
not
having
enough
acreage
not
producing
on
site,
not
having
a
Tasting
Room.
The
claim
that
this
is
actually
an
event
center.
AN
Our
code
does
not
require
that
those
first
three
things
be
present
in
order
to
achieve
the
definition
of
a
winery,
a
winery
having
vines
on
a
property
and
requesting
that
conditional
use
through
the
county
for
the
promotional
events
associated
with
the
growing
of
grapes.
The
production
of
wine
is
the
path
to
the
request
that
Mr
pasculi
has
made.
So
again,
there's
nothing
in
our
code
that
that
rules.
AN
So
in
terms
of
additional
comments
received,
we
received
those
in
favor
as
well
as
those
opposed
both
for
the
appeal
and
for
the
previous
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan.
You
know
these
are
kind
of
standard.
These
days,
when
we're
talking
about
wineries,
the
things
that
people
are
in
favor
of
you
know,
they
think
it
provides
an
immunity
for
the
amenity
for
the
community.
You
know,
broadly
the
community
and
I
think
you'll
hear
that
from
some
of
the
public
tonight
in
terms
of
if
it's
local
residents
or
people
from
afar
that
are
enjoying
this.
AN
It
supports
the
local
economy
and
I
think
that
Mr
basculi
has
some
points
about
that
that
he'll
make
in
a
presentation
or
in
some
of
the
materials
that
you
provided.
It
preserves
an
agricultural
Heritage
in
the
area
and
it
promotes
the
growth
of
local
wine
industry
and
the
eagle
Ava,
which
this
property
is
located
within
that
viticultural
designation.
AN
Those
opposed
are
concerned
with
noise.
We've
heard
that
a
lot
from
Neighbors
in
this
area,
particularly
in
the
Homer
Road
area,
there
seems
to
be
some
unique
Acoustics
due
to
the
hillsides
concerns
of
traffic
and
and
more
specifically,
concerns
of
impaired
drivers
on
roadways
as
a
result
of
attending
the
winery,
and
then
this
would
actually
change
the
rural
residential
of
the
rural
residential
nature
of
the
area.
AN
So
those
were
in
general,
a
summary
of
the
comments
received
for
the
project,
so
as
for
emotion,
staff
did
not
draft
findings
really
dictating
one
way
or
the
other,
so
we
are
going
to
like
I.
Think
every
other
item
tonight
table
this
for
revised
findings,
but
you
really
have
three
options
that
you
can
pursue
and
I
tried
to
make
this
as
plainly
spoken
as
possible,
because
the
approving
and
appeal
denying
original
approval
gets
really
confusing
and
so
I
just
wrote.
AN
The
first
option
is,
you
could
overturn
the
pnz's
original
approval
and
thus
deny
the
winery.
You
could
affirm
the
png's
original
approval
and
keep
all
of
the
conditions
that
they
placed
on
the
project
or
you
could
approve
the
firm,
the
original
approval
and
you
could
modify
conditions
based
on
the
testimony
that
you've
heard
the
request
made
by
Mr,
pasculi
and
so
forth.
So
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions
and
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
want
to
talk
about
this
tonight
as
well.
F
Yes,
go
ahead,
looking
through
the
conditions
of
parole,
do
we
have
something
in
there
for
Amplified,
sound.
AN
Yes,
chairman
Commissioners,
the
document
provided
to
you
in
relationship
to
this
project
was
the
signed
findings
from
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
so
that
you
would
have
those
to
reference
and
as
a
part
of
their
approval,
they
limited
any
outdoor
speaker
or
audio
equipment
to
the
existing
residential
speaker
system.
So
no
enhancement
of
that
no
bringing
large
amps
on
site
for
outdoor
music.
But
there
is
an
existing
outdoor
speaker
system
that
the
winery
is
asked
to
make
use
of.
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
of
our
staff
hearing
noon?
Thank
you.
Okay,
as
as
we
indicated,
we
will
here
first
from
the
schooly
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
to
the
other
appellons.
AO
I'm
going
to
be
splitting
my
time
tonight
with
our
legal
counsel,
Jeff
Bauer,
who
will
be
covering
our
requested
modifications
to
conditions
approval
imposed
by
the
Planning
Commission.
The
things
I'm
going
to
be
cutting
out
are
already
in
the
records.
I,
don't
believe,
there's
a
need
to
make
them
redundant
by
saying
them
again.
Tonight
my
wife
and
I
Lori,
my
wife,
Lori
and
I
own
Rolling,
Hills
Vineyard,
along
with
our
kids,
Daniel,
Savannah
and
Zachary,
and
our
son-in-law
Logan.
We
are
a
local
Winery.
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
The
concept
with
the
cup
will
be
to
host
the
wine
club,
an
invited
guest
to
the
vineyard,
promoting
Agriculture
and
food
pairings
with
wine
and
just
the
overall
atmosphere
of
being
at
a
Vineyard
when
you're
tasting
the
winery's
wine
Weaver
proposed
and
agreed
to
many
conditions
of
approval
for
the
cop
cup
that
will
ensure
the
use
is
compatible
with
surrounding
areas.
Some
of
these
conditions
include
a
maximum
of
24
private
events
per
year,
which
is
what
is
specifically
permitted
by
Ada
County
code.
AO
AO
Node
food
trucks
is
addressing
the
Amplified
system.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
Bose
system,
that's
an
indoor
outdoor
system.
That's
all
we
have
it's
really
nothing.
Fancy!
No
food
trucks
will
be
allowed
on
site.
We
would
have
Caterers
bring
food,
there
would
be
no
food
trucks
again.
All
events
must
be
connected
to
the
winery
and
our
state.
Vineyard
we've
been
working
on
this
estate
Vineyard
since
2016.
our
family
has
poured
sweat
blood
tears
and
a
lot
of
money
into
this
project.
AO
In
turn,
our
Winery
provides
local
jobs,
increases
Revenue
to
the
county
and
state
and
supports
a
vibrant
wine
industry
in
Ada
County,
to
address
the
repeated
and
ill-informed
proposition
that
the
property
itself
doesn't
produce
enough
wine
grapes.
Our
property
alone
will
produce
10
to
15
Tons
of
wine
grapes
a
year.
AO
To
put
that
in
perspective,
that's
between
seven
and
ten
thousand
bottles
of
wine
a
year
we
also
purchase
another
30
to
40
tons
from
other
wineries
or
from
other
Vineyards
in
Idaho,
and
a
small
percentage
in
Washington
that
30
to
40
tons
will
produce
another
28
000
to
40
000
bottles
of
wine
per
year.
So
in
a
given
year,
based
on
harvest
we'll
produce
between
35
000
and
50,
000
bottles
of
wine,
I
would
say:
that's
ample
enough
for
a
winery
and
a
business.
AO
AP
John,
can
you
advance
the
slide
real
quick?
These
are
just
the
conditions
of
approval
that
Mr
pasculi
just
walked
through
wanted
to
put
those
on
the
screen
and
then
one
more
slide
as
well
Leon.
Thank
you.
I
get
the
boring
part
to
talk
about
how
we
want
to
modify
the
conditions
of
approval
and
Leonardi
did
a
really
good
job
summarizing
that,
but
we
have
two
areas
that
we'd,
like
modifications
in
the
first
is
related
to
parking
on
site,
and
the
second
is
related
to
the
two-year
compliance
review
required
by
the
pnz
slide.
AP
Please
actually
you're
ready
there.
Sorry,
sorry
Leon,
so
this
slide
was
already
shown
by
planning
staff.
It
is
our
site
plan.
It
shows
where
we
would
propose
parking
to
support
this
cup.
As
you
can
see,
it's
on
the
public
Road
Burke
place,
which
runs
north
south
on
the
property's
private
Drive,
which
kind
of
winds
to
the
east
there
and
then
around
the
property's
garage
during
agency.
Review
of
this
application
slide,
please
Leon
Eagle
fire
did
provide
a
comment
letter
and
they
also
inspected
the
property.
AP
The
comment
letter
which
I've
got
in
the
slide
here
and
highlighted
it
says
quote
there
shall
be
no
parking
allowed
on
the
driveway
applicant
agrees
with
Fire's
requirement.
Here
we
do
not
propose
any
parking
on
the
driveway.
We
are
proposing
parking
adjacent
to
the
driveway,
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
pnz's
conditions
was
that
there
shall
be
no
parking
along
the
driveway
we'd.
Ask
this
board
to
amend
that
and
allow
parking
adjacent,
we'll
still
keep
the
20-foot
Lane
for
fire
access,
but
we
would
like
to
use
those
spaces
for
parking.
AP
Second,
is
that
we'd
ask
you
to
permit
parking
on
Bert
Lane
slide.
Please
Leon
Bert
place
is
a
public
road
there's
50
feet
of
dedicated
right-of-way
with
24
feet
of
pavement
width
on
this
property's
Frontage
conservatively
there's
about
15
feet
of
shoulder.
You
know:
that's
compacted
dirt
perfectly
adequate
for
parking
which
you
can
see
in
this
aerial.
AP
So
we
would
again
ask
that
you
reverse
the
pnz's
condition
that
parking
not
be
allowed
on
Burp
place
as
Leon
mentioned
public
road
from
owned
by
achd.
We
think
there's
more
than
adequate
space
here
to
park
anywhere
from
10
to
15.
Vehicles,
while
still
keeping
that
24
feet
of
pavement
clear
for
other
residents
to
access
their
property,
in
addition
to
their
being
sufficient
space,
we
also
think
this
is
appropriate
in
this
case,
because
Bert
place
is
a
dead
end
cul-de-sac
and
it
does
only
serve
seven
properties,
including
this
property.
AP
AP
Finally,
the
the
second
category
of
conditions,
we're
asking
to
change
is
this
two-year
compliance
review,
and
this
has
become
more
and
more
common
with
the
county
cups
we're
in
favor
of
a
compliance
review.
We
aren't
asking
that
to
be
to
take
to
be
taken
off
the
table.
What
we're
asking
for
is
Clarity
that
the
compliance
review
is
limited
to
ensuring
that
the
conditions
of
approval
have
been
complied
with.
We
don't
want
to
re-hear
whether
or
not
this
is
an
appropriate
cup
or
location.
AP
AP
That's
all
I
have
on
the
specific
conditions
we'd
like
to
modify
generally
speaking
as
as
Mr
pasculi
mentioned.
We
think
the
record
in
this
case
does
support
pnz's
approval.
They
did
approve
this
cup
with
conditions
that
we
think
adequately
mitigate
the
impacts
to
surrounding
neighbors,
and
we
would
ask
for
you
to
affirm
that
decision
approve
the
Cup
tonight.
With
those
minor
modifications,
we've
requested
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
or
to
clarify
anything
and
I
can
bring
Mr
pasculi
up
as
well.
A
AP
Chairman,
that's
correct,
you
know,
I
came
to
this
case
after
pnz
and
I
was
reading
the
the
conditions
of
approval
and,
and
then
speaking
with
my
client,
we
weren't
exactly
sure
what
status
meant.
We
weren't
sure.
If
that
was
okay
in
two
years,
we're
going
to
do
this
all
over
again
and
decide
if
we're
going
to
give
you
another
permit
or
if
it
meant
in
two
years.
We
want
to
look
to
make
sure
you
followed
the
rules
and
I
I
think
it
was
probably
the
latter,
and
so
this
language
just
helps
clarify
that.
Okay,
all.
M
AP
Commissioner
Beck
commissioner
Daley
that's
correct,
Bert
Place,
actually.
C
I
might
have
misspoke
the
the
maintenance
of
the
parking
there
that
that's
basically
on
their
prob
right
away,
but
on
their
property,
correct.
AP
AP
Currently
it's
an
achd
Road.
They
would
maintain
that
to
the
extent
well,
I
should
back
up
a
little
bit.
We,
as
Leon
mentioned,
we've
asked
to
be
able
to
work
with
planning
staff
to
work
on
a
parking
plan,
and
if
part
of
that
parking
plan
includes
you
know
adequate
surfacing,
we
would
work
with
achd
to
make
sure
you
know
we
have
the
right
to
go
out
there
and
maybe
put
a
little
material
down
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
get
muddy
Etc,
and
so
we
we
would
do
that
if.
AP
F
F
Follow
up
on
the
parking
if
we
could
get
the
view
of
the
property
if
the
condition
isn't
modified
to
allow
parking
on
the
street?
What
is
the
plan
for
parking
in
the
lot.
AP
We
would
really
like
to
provide
on-site
parking
for
for
the
folks
coming
to
these
private
events.
So
we've
looked
at
removing
some
trees
along
the
driveway
to
increase
the
opportunity
for
for
that
adjacent
parking.
Also,
looking
at
maybe
taking
out
some
of
the
vines
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
to
increase
parking
back
there
as
well.
F
And
how
the
pictures
of
along
the
driveway
there
do
those
represent
the
cars,
the
white
white
squares.
AP
Chairman
back
commissioner
Davidson,
that
is
not
a
to
scale
drawing,
but
yes,
that's!
The
idea
is
that
those
are
places
the
the
applicant
has
identified
where
there's
currently
room,
there's
not
vegetation
that
would
otherwise
prohibit
parking.
AP
AP
We're
chairman
back
commissioner
Davidson
we're
we're
PR.
This
original
plan
proposed
21
spaces.
We
believe
that's
adequate
based
on
practice.
You
know
it's
pretty
rare,
that
a
single
person
comes
in
a
single
card
of
these
type
of
private
tasting
events.
It's
it's
at
a
minimum
couples
and
typically
four
to
a
car.
So
we
think
21
spaces
is
adequate.
F
Okay
and
then,
as
far
as
the
the
two-year
review
goes,
so
you
want
that
limited
to
whether
or
not
you're,
following
the
conditions
of
approval.
AP
F
AP
Chairman
back
commissioner
Davidson,
there's
nothing
in
the
conditions
that
specifically
require
you
know
compliance
with
alcohol
laws.
But
if
you
look
in
your
codes,
specific
use
standards
for
for
Winery,
it
includes
compliance
with
with
all
state
laws.
So
yes,
I,
think
that
would
be
included
and-
and
we
would
comply
with
that.
Yes,.
F
So
assuming
and
I'm
sure
this
will
never
be
the
case,
but
let's
say
you
get
your
client
get
cited
for
underage
drinking.
You
know
somebody
shows
up.
Drinks
is
underage
get
cited,
for
that
is
with
that,
in
your
mind,
be
against
the
conditions
of
approval.
F
And
so,
if,
if
that
is
a
violation
of
state
law,
do
you
think
that's
something
that
should
be
reviewed
at
the
two-year
period.
AP
Chairman
Beck,
commissioner
Davidson
under
normal
circumstance,
I
would
say
yes,
I,
think,
there's
again
coming
to
this
project.
Late
I
believe
there's
testimony
in
the
record
that
they're
our
active
efforts
by
opponents
to
projects
like
this
to
plant
underage
folks
in
these
type
of
rural
settings
and
in
this
particular
case
I,
have
very
little
concern.
I'll
ask
my
client:
if
he's
okay
with
that
condition,
I
think
he
is
because
again,
this
is
not
a
public
Event
Center
like
I've,
been
here
before
on.
This
is
a
private
invite-only
situation.
AP
Bag,
that's
correct,
Mr,
pasculi
away
and
I
I
presume
all
right.
Yeah
yeah.
AP
F
I
guess
one
other
thing
on
the
Alcohol
just
kind
of
anticipating,
with
some
of
when
some
of
the
objections
are
because
we've
heard
several
Winery
proposals
before
the
issue
of
well.
People
are
getting
intoxicated
at
the
event
and
then
driving
in
an
unsafe
manner
off
the
property.
You'd
still
be
technically
in
compliance
these,
but
these
other
individuals
may
at
least
the
theory
goes
get
in
the
car
accidents
on
on
the
way
out,
and
that
could
be
construed
as
something
that
maybe
the
board
should
look
at
after
a
two-year
period.
AP
Sure
absolutely
chairman
Beck,
commissioner
Davidson,
as
was
mentioned
by
Mr
pasculi.
They
also
have
a
an
actual
public
Tasting
Room
in
Garden
City.
These
events
that
they'll
host
these
private
winery
events
will
will
be
staffed
by
those
folks
that
have
adequate
training.
They
have
the
tips,
training
Etc
again,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
want
to
provide
flexible
parking,
we're
happy
to
let
people
leave
their
cars
overnight.
We
have
that
flexibility
here.
AP
F
One
last
question:
Mr
chair,
okay,
go
ahead
regarding
parking
on
the
street.
Maybe
you
could
address
any
safety
considerations
to
pedestrians
walking
along
that
road
if
it
were
to
be
filled
with
cars,
parking
for
an
event,
yeah.
AP
AP
You
have
a
50-foot
right
away
brand
new,
paved
24
section
and
a
very
low
volume
of
traffic,
so
I
achd
standard
for
this
type
of
Road
does
not
require
sidewalk,
given
the
width
and
so
I,
don't
believe,
there's
a
safety
hazard,
it's
more
than
adequate
space
to
not
have
to
walk
in
the
pave
section.
As
I
mentioned,
I
think
the
standard
parking
stall
for
Ada
County
is
20
by
10,
which
is
which
is
pretty
big.
A
A
A
question
with
your
with
regard
to
parking
on
Burr
place:
do
we
have
the
authority
to
allow
you
to
park
on
a
highway
district,
Road.
A
AP
Chairman
Beck
adjacent
to
the
site,
with
Frontage
on
our
property,
but
yes,
we're
asking
for
that
available
parking.
I
think,
there's
no
dispute
that
you
know
we're
not
in
downtown
Boise,
where
I'm
building
a
high-rise
and
claiming
that
I
want
to
use
the
street
parking
to
to
fulfill.
My
tenants
needs
rural
space.
No
cars
otherwise
compete
for
these
this
area.
So
we
are
asking
this
to
count
towards
our
our
required
parking
to
to
support
these
you're.
AP
Chairman
Beck,
that's
correct,
I'm,
not
asking
you
to
again
give
us
permission
of
saying:
don't
don't
take
away
the
right
for
us
to
use
this
okay,
okay,.
X
AN
The
Commissioners
I
will
enter
my
presentation
in
Mr
pasculi's
as
exhibits,
18a
and
19a.
Thank
you
for
the
record.
Okay.
AQ
AL
AQ
So
I
I
am
really
gonna.
Do
my
best
to
sort
of
work
with
the
statement
I
have
written
because
I,
you
know
it's
it's
complicated
for
me
right,
I'm,
a
property
owner
I'm,
not
a
legal
person.
I,
don't
understand
code
and
I
feel
like
there
has
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
verbiage
and
language,
and
so
we've
said
it's
not
a
tasting
room,
but
then
even
tonight,
Mr
Pasquale,
I,
apologize
I,
know
I'm,
probably
not
saying
that
correct
use
the
verbiage,
Tasting
Room
in
his
testimony
just
a
minute
ago.
AQ
AQ
This
conditional
use,
permit.
You
know
allowing
this
commercial
business
on
Rural
property
does
adversely
impact
myself
and
my
other
neighbors
having
this
Winery
Event
Center.
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it
Tasting
Room
whatever
it
is,
it
is
against
the
zoning
from
what
I
see
the
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan
designates
this
area
as
residential
as
rural
residential,
not
commercially
zoned.
So
when
I
read
this
document,
this
findings
fact
document.
AQ
This
was
signed
on
December,
18th
I,
believe
it
says
that
the
rural
residential
land
is
meant
for
individuals
and
families
to
live
on
and
enjoy
with
farming
and
agriculture
as
secondary.
There
is
no
mention
of
con
commercial
use.
This
area
is
not
commercial.
Land
meant
for
public
businesses
and
I
feel
that
this
conditional
use
permit
subverts
the
intention
of
the
Zoning
for
the
land.
Ada
County
code,
8-5b5
specifically
states
that
the
proposed
plan
shall
not
be
detrimental
to
public
health,
safety
or
welfare,
and
two
shall
not
create
undue
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
properties.
AQ
One
of
the
issues
that
negatively
impacts
surrounding
properties
is
the
traffic
Ballentine,
Lane
Homer
Road
North
Bert
place.
These
are
all
rural
two-lane
roads
with
no
painted
Lines,
no
bike,
Lanes
no
sidewalks
with
little
to
no
shoulder
of
the
road
attachment.
B
contains
I.
Think
three,
maybe
four
pages
of
pictures
from
different
spots,
specifically
on
Homer
Road,
so
Homer
Road,
is
particularly
hilly
very
similar,
probably
to
what
the
gentleman
two
issues
ago
was
talking
about
with
the
Rolling
Hills.
You
cannot
see
the
road
in
front
of
you.
AQ
There
are,
you
know:
Walkers
Runners,
I,
don't
live
on
Bert,
but
I
run
on
Bert,
because
I
I'm
kind
of
a
nut
about
my
mileage,
and
it
gets
me
my
extra
quarter
mile
if
I
need
that
for
the
day.
So
there
are
people
that
use
that
road,
in
addition
to
the
people
that
live
on
it
and
I
think
we
all
do
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
consumption
of
alcohol
on
that
property
and
then
turning
people
loose
to
drive
on
these
roads
that
they're
not
familiar
with
that
you.
AQ
There
are
several
spots
that
you
cannot
see
what's
coming
in
front
of
you
and
in
the
winter
time
it's
dark
by
five
o'clock,
so
that
complicates
things
further
see.
AQ
AQ
Noise,
so
this
was
another
really
big
issue.
Sound,
really
travels
out
there
very
easily.
So
from
my
property
we
can
hear
the
Eagle
High
School
outdoor
events
like
football
games.
We
can
hear
that
at
our
house
we
can
also
hear
the
Firebird
Raceway
track.
That's
further
up,
Emmett
the
highway
out
to
Emmett
attachment
C
I've,
given
you
pictures
of
like
where
my
property
is
so
Eagle
High
School's
three
miles
away
and
that
race
track
is
eight
and
a
half
miles
away.
AQ
So
the
collection
of
50
people
does
make
noise
like
I,
am
gonna,
hear
that
at
my
property
and
that
that
directly
impacts
my
ability
to
enjoy
my
own
property,
it's
supposed
to
be
peaceful,
quiet,
enjoyable,
Country,
Life,
and
so
to
me
the
noise
factor
is
a
really
big
issue.
AQ
Premier
wine
countries
in
the
west
have
really
Limited
hours
on
their
facilities,
most
of
them
closing
by
5
PM,
and
many
only
open
a
few
days
a
week
so
attachment
D
I've,
given
you
30
different
facilities
in
the
west,
so
from
Napa
Valley,
California,
Willamette,
Valley,
Oregon
and
Walla
Walla
Washington,
and
they
you
know.
As
previously
stated,
this
is
not
zoned
for
Commercial
Business,
but
even
if
we
were
allowing
Rolling
Hills
to
operate
past
until
10
o'clock
is
until
10
o'clock,
P.M
is
far
outside
the
industry.
AQ
Standard
and
I
would
argue
that
people
are
not
tasting
wine
at
eight
or
nine
or
ten
o'clock
at
night
they're
having
a
party,
it's
an
event
center
in
basically
in
what
I
consider
my
backyard
and
it's
it's
so
far
beyond
the
industry
standard
of
most
of
these
places
closing
by
five
o'clock.
AQ
AQ
My
my
question,
I
guess
about
that-
is
that
in
so
in
this
report,
section
H
Brent
Moore,
stated
that
this
event
center
helps
to
support
the
agricultural
use
of
the
property.
But
if
the
agricultural
use
of
the
property
is
not
producing
enough,
then
how
does
that
make
sense?
How
how
does
that
support?
AQ
How?
How
is
it
supporting
agriculture
if
the
agriculture
can't
support
the
Event
Center
I
also
read
about
the
eagle
fire
district,
it
looked
like
they
had
recommendations
about
parking
and
turn
around
areas,
and
things
I
would
argue
that
our
area
does
not
have
the
water
availability
to
support
this
conditional
use
permit
about
three
years
ago,
a
friend
of
mine
who
lives
just
to
the
east
of
this
property,
it's
north
of
Beacon
Light.
AQ
They
had
a
house
fire
and
the
fire
trucks
didn't
have
a
problem
getting
to
their
property,
but
there
was
no
way
to
keep
water
in
their
trucks,
so
they
had
to
leave
the
property,
go
to
the
irrigation
canals
on
Beacon
Light
to
re
refill
up
with
water
and
then
go
back
to
fight
the
fire.
So
these
are
well
properties
that
can't
necessarily
keep
up
with
what
it
takes
to
fight
a
fire
and
I.
AQ
Don't
think
that's
an
unreasonable
concern
for
us
with
properties
around
there
that
just
increasing
the
volume
and
when
you've
got
people
in
an
area,
that's
not
their
own,
we're
generally,
not
as
careful
as
we
are
in
our
own
space.
So
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
concern
for
us
that
live
out
there,
that
there
would
be
a
fire
I.
Just
ask
that
you
will
protect
my
rights
as
a
whole
homeowner
to
not
be
adversely
affected.
That
might
feel,
like
my
property.
AQ
AQ
Yeah
I
would
I
would
like
it
to
not
be
open
till
10
o'clock
at
night.
I
think
that's,
that's
a
huge
impact
to
me
right
to
be
able
to
enjoy
and
24
events.
You
could
say
that's
two
a
month,
but
odds
are
most
of
these
events
are
going
to
happen
in
the
summer
time
when
we're
able
to
be
outside
and
enjoy
our
properties
when
it's
light
outside
and
when
we're
able
to
be
out
there-
and
it's
not
like
that's
one
of
the
beautiful
things
about
living
out
there
is
that
it's
really
quiet
so
yeah
all.
AQ
A
But
yeah
and
I
looked
at
I've
looked
at
some
of
your
the
research
that
you've
done
on
Napa,
Valley
and
Oregon
tasting
rooms
and
from
what,
unless
I
misunderstand
it.
This
is
only
going
to
be
a
Tasting
Room
for
24.
A
AQ
A
AN
AN
Right,
so
it
would,
as
the
applicants
proposed,
it
would
be
events
in
the
vineyard
so
likely
the
use
of
tables
and
Tents
on
a
temporary
basis,
not
a
permanent
structure.
As
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
the
health
district
is
not
going
to
allow
them
to
use
any
of
the
existing
structures
for
the
winery
use,
so
that
would
kind
of
rule
out
The
Tasting
Room.
The
building,
official
and
planning
is
also
proposing
to
restrict
the
use
of
existing
structures
for
a
tasting
room.
A
AQ
So
I
would
just
say
so.
If
there
is
no
room,
then
then
this
is
outside.
This
is
50
people
and
the
existing
sound
structure
outside,
which
means
all
that
noise
is
outside
not
inside,
and
then
also
if
they're,
promotional
events
they're,
not
like
personal
friends,
so
they
said
these
are
people.
We
know
it's,
probably
not
people
that
they
know
personally,
every
single
one
of
these
people
so.
F
That's
my
understanding.
It's
the
customers
of
the
wine
club,
so
it
is
a
commercial
thing
for
sure
right
just
to
address
the
fire
issue
that
you
brought
up
as
soon
as
they're,
not
building
any
additional
structures.
I
mean
I,
don't
understand
how
just
having
more
people
there
increases
or
decreases
any
of
the
fire.
The
risk
of
fire
I
think
it's
gonna.
It
would
be
the
same
risk
now
than
if
they're
having
the
events
correct,
I.
D
AQ
They
no,
but
are
they
outside
smoking
cigarettes
or
doing
you
know
doing
things
that
would
cause
a
fire
to
be
started?
Sure
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
wine
drinkers,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
like
beer,
you
drink
beer
and
have
a
cigarette
I,
don't
know
if
people
drink
wine
and
have
cigarettes,
but.
C
You,
oh
you,
have
questions.
I
have
a
question
again
back
to
the
Chairman's
question.
As
far
as
you
did,
research
and
it's
basically
California
and
Oregon
California.
AQ
C
AQ
C
AQ
C
AQ
I
appreciate
that
it
would
not
be
daily
I
have
you
know,
reservations
if
that
would
not
be
proposed
again
at
some
point
down
the
road.
It's
hard
for
me
to
believe
that
that
would
not
be
that
that's
not
the
end
goal
of
what
they're
after
and
that
maybe
they've
paired
it
back
to
try
to
get
permission
for
this
and
then,
if
that
goes
well,
then
they'll
add
back
in
the
daily
stuff.
That's
my
concern!
A
AH
A
AH
A
A
AH
First
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission's
findings
of
fact,
conclusion
of
Law
and
Order
that
was
given
after
the
hearing
in
January
quote
them.
The
commission
finds
that
the
winery
complies
with
the
purpose
statement
of
the
rural
residential
RR
District
as
it
complies
with
the
applicable
design
and
dimensional
standards
for
the
RR
District,
as
evidenced
on
the
master
site
plan,
exhibit
6
the
winery
with
The
Tasting
Room
exceeds
the
30-foot
property
line,
setback
from
North
bird
place
and
complies
with
the
25-foot
interior
side
and
rear
property
line
setbacks.
AH
This
statement
is
incorrect.
The
existing
garage,
which
was
to
house
The
Tasting
Room,
is
several
feet
less
than
25
feet.
From
my
property
line,
the
distance
from
our
fence
to
the
structure
is
24
and
a
half
feet.
Our
property
extends
at
least
three
feet
outside
that
fence.
The
pascalis
know
this
because
they
recently
had
a
survey
done
on
their
property
they've.
Also
planted
grass
and
shrubs
on
our
property
back
there.
They
took
out
all
the
little
posts
that
the
survey
guy
put
in
the
whole
time.
AH
AH
Planning
and
Zoning
refers
to
section
8-5
b-5
of
the
Ada
County
code
and
states
that
the
cup
complies
with
this
section,
specifically
that
the
proposed
use
shall
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare.
The
proposed
cup
will
be
detrimental
to
my
safety
and
Welfare,
and
that
of
my
neighbors
as
well.
The
driveway
leading
to
the
best
gulley's
house
is
narrow,
winding
and
exceeds
a
10
slope.
There
is
no
good
way
for
fire
trucks
to
get
to
the
top
or
be
able
to
turn
around.
AH
The
PNC
findings
indicate
that
Rolling
Hills
must
submit
a
revised
plan
showing
the
fire
apparatus.
Access
turnaround
meets
a
2018
international
fire
code.
I
have
not
seen
any
changes
made
or
proposed
next
door.
That
would
allow
allow
a
fire
truck
to
get
up
the
driveway
slope.
Hang
a
sharp
left
near
the
top
of
the
incline
and
turn
around.
AH
They
have
no
source
of
water
to
put
out
a
fire
except
well
water,
Vehicles
parking
off-road
does
present
a
significant
fire
danger
in
the
dry
Foothills
proposed
parking
spaces
are
within
a
few
feet
of
my
property
line,
which
is
lined
with
trees,
including
pine
trees,
which
are
highly
inflammable.
Should
these
trees
catch
fire,
it
would
put
my
residents
in
Peril
in
2013,
there
was
was
a
terrible
fire
in
our
neighborhood
that
came
right
up
to
our
doorsteps.
AH
We
have
taken
measures
to
reduce
our
fire
danger,
but
have
no
control
over
what
the
pascalis
do
to
ourselves.
As
to
my
welfare,
my
husband
and
I
purchased
our
property
in
part
because
of
its
quiet,
secluded
location,
on
a
cul-de-sac
where
we
would
feel
safe,
bringing
a
bunch
of
strangers
into
the
neighborhood
and
having
them
Park
and
walk
around
feet
from
my
property
will
decrease
my
safety
and
seclusion.
AH
The
sounds
and
smells
of
cars
and
porta
johns
will
be
detrimental
to
My,
Health
and
Welfare.
My
peace
will
be
disturbed
by
a
crowd
of
people
outside
talking
and
listening
to
music.
Until
10
o'clock
at
night,
as
previously
stated,
sound,
carries
in
the
Foothills
like
nowhere
else.
There
is
also
the
potential
for
increased
crime,
including
driving
Under,
the
Influence,
as
mentioned,
exceeding
speed
limits
and
exposing
the
vulnerability
of
our
home
sites
to
potential
criminal
Behavior.
We
are
old
and
Compu
appear
to
be
easy
marks.
AH
Mark
pascali,
as
a
commissioner
on
the
wine
commission,
presumably
knows
a
lot
about
Vineyards
and
Wineries
and
what
it
takes
to
make
a
profit.
The
grapevines
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
are
existent
before
the
pascalis
purchased,
the
properties,
the
property,
the
previous
owners
leased,
the
grapevines
two
three-horse
Winery,
a
profit
was
made
there.
It
was
that
pascali's
choice
to
plant
additional
wine
Vines
because
they
have
a
Vineyard
on
their
property,
are
the
pascalis
entitled
to
support
their
entire
adult
family
from
its
profits.
AH
They
are
currently
Allowed
by
law
to
grow
grapes,
sell
grapes,
have
an
offside
tasting
room
and
wine
making
operation.
The
winery
designation
is
only
required
to
allow
events
and
get
a
foot
in
the
door
for
future
expansion.
The
only
people
in
favor
of
having
Winery
in
the
Foothills
are
people
who
are
in
the
wine
industry,
their
friends
and
people
who
don't
live
here.
Every
Vineyard
that
is
sought
to
become
a
winery
in
our
area
has
been
opposed
by
the
neighbors.
AH
Why
should
the
winery
get
a
cup
that
will
only
benefit
a
handful
of
people
when
the
taxpayers
who
live
here
are
against
it?
This
area
of
Eagle
is
zoned
for
five
plus
acre
home
sites,
which
can't
be
subdivided
as
such.
True,
open,
Green
Space
will
be
preserved
with
Lawns
Landscaping,
Gardens
wildlife,
habitat
and
natural
areas.
Vineyards
will
not
ensure
that
these
properties
remain
open
space
or
Green
Space.
Just
look
at
the
property
across
the
street
from
ours
they
have
Acres
of
grapevines
and
a
Vineyard
name.
AH
They've
also
built
a
huge
event
center,
which
they
are
calling
a
gym
I'm
guessing.
They
will
be
next
to
ask
for
a
cup
for
a
winery,
so
they
too
can
hold
events,
and
we
will
be
surrounded
by
businesses
who
accept
other
event.
Planners
will
want
to
live
here.
Then
zoning
protects
the
Foothills
from
over
development
and
subdivision
not
wineries
to
date.
The
pascalis
have
not
managed
to
keep
their
dogs
off
our
property,
despite
the
fact
that
we
have
spoken
to
them
numerous
times
on
this
issue.
AH
I
have
my
property
fence
to
contain
my
dogs
in
all
areas
where
they
are
allowed
to
go.
The
problem
has
been
that
their
dogs
have
bitten
mine
through
the
fence
and
continue
to
aggress
the
fence
line.
Their
dogs
must
be
on
our
property.
To
do
this,
these
dogs
are
not
being
properly
contained.
I
am
concerned
that
the
proposed
Winery
will
have
no
better
control
over
their
human
guests.
What
would
prevent
event
attendees
from
wandering
over
onto
my
property?
Should
it
be
my
responsibility
to
fence
them
out?
AH
Mark
pascoli
has
asked
that
the
two-year
review
be
removed
from
the
Planning
and
Zoning
ruling,
knowing
that
pascalis
have
done
illegal
building
on
their
property
and
not
complied
with
county
code
and
District
Health
I
believe
it
only
prudent
to
retain
this
part
of
the
rulings.
Should
the
cup
be
upheld,
Mark
pascali
likes
to
act
like
the
good
guy
here,
but
he
has
been
taking
advantage
of
my
husband
and
me
since
he
purchased
his
property
in
2016
and
got
our
area
designated
as
part
of
the
viticulture
region
about
which
we
were
never
consulted.
AH
Although
we
had
lived
here
for
several
years,
he
asked
us
to
approve
their
giant
garage
which,
although
it
blocks
our
view,
we
allowed
it
as
we
wanted
to
be
good
neighbors
and
now
it's
less
than
25
feet
from
our
property
line
and
there's
an
apartment
in
it.
We
never
saw
an
accurate
depiction
of
the
garage
with
its
proximity
to
the
property
line
before
we
okayed
it
and
were
appalled
when
it
was
erected
so
close
to
our
fence
and
pivoted
from
the
proposed
drawings
by
Paradigm
Construction.
AH
But
we
let
it
go
again
trying
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
finally
had
to
complain
when
Vineyard,
irrigation
and
grapevines
were
installed
on
our
property,
along
with
large
leaning,
trellis
and
posts.
Again,
we
were
good
neighbors
and
allowed
them
to
purchase
that
portion
of
our
property
from
us
for
practically
nothing,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
rip
it
all
out.
We
really
have
tried
to
be
agreeable,
but
starting
up
a
business
next
door
is
a
step
too
far.
AH
I
don't
want
to
go
on
with
the
things
that
everybody
else
has
talked
about,
but
you're,
probably
interested
in
the
fence.
There's
an
old
barbed
wire
fence,
running
between
the
pascali's
property
and
mine.
This
fence
was
here
before
we
moved
in.
It
is
located
from
three
to
six
feet
inside
our
property
line,
depending
on
which
spot
you're
in
my
dog
fences,
which
are
also
up,
were
erected
inside
that
old
fence
and
well
inside
our
property
line.
AH
A
You
can
submit
yes,
okay,
yeah,
anything
else.
Any
questions
for
the
for
Ms
Ms,
Johnson,
Miss,
Stone,.
Y
F
Question
to
staff:
did
the
applicant
resubmit
a
fire
plan
after
the
planning
and
Zone
zoning
hearing.
AN
Chairman
Commissioners
no
I
don't
believe
there
was
a
requirement
for
an
updated
fire
plan.
They
have
to
coordinate
with
the
fire
district
on
any
improvements
of
the
driveway
and
the
turnaround
area.
I
mean
I.
Think
eagle
has
requested
that
as
a
final
sign-off
for
the
commencement
of
the
use,
but
I
don't
there
hasn't
been
a
follow-up
yet
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
an
appeal
to
see.
If
that
will
need
to
happen,
if
the
winery
ultimately
is
approved,.
A
A
All
right
any
more
questions
for
Ms
Stone.
AH
Okay
yeah,
it
sounds
like
somebody
revving
up
a
outboard
motor.
F
That,
yes,
Mr
chair,
yes,
another
question
for
staff:
what
what
is
their
plan
for
the
guests
to
use
the
restroom.
A
Okay,
friends
of
eagle.
AS
Good
evening,
chairman
back
and
honorable
Commissioners
I'm
Justin
pfeffer
I'm
I
live
at
5150
North,
soaring
Lane
in
Eagle,
which
is
right
above
the
vineyard.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
friends
of
Eagle.
Our
president
Iran
Yaniv,
is
out
of
the
state
and
able
to
attend
tonight.
Friends
of
ego
is
a
non-profit
to
preserve
the
rural
character
of
the
North
Eagle
Foothills.
AS
This
conditional
use
permit
should
not
have
been
issued
for
the
following
reasons:
number
one,
most
importantly,
the
site
is
not
a
winery.
Wine
does
not
produced
there,
nor
is
there
an
operable,
Tasting
Room.
The
subject
side
is
a
residence
on
a
five-acre
lot,
with
a
small
Vineyard
in
the
rural
residential
Zone.
Any
commercial
wine
production
required
the
purchase
of
fruit
produced
elsewhere,
and
the
production
of
wine
elsewhere.
AS
Allowing
the
site
to
be
called
a
winery
and
to
sell
wine
produced
elsewhere
is
completely
contrary
to
the
comprehensive
plan
to
allow
this
property
to
be
designated
Winery
pursuant
to
the
proposed
cup
would
result
in
a
terrible
precedent
that
would
render
the
residential
zoning
throughout
ad
accounting
to
be
meaningless
review.
The
late
exhibits
included
in
the
appeal
package.
You
can
see
this
email,
Mr
pasculi,
conceded
that
there
will
be
no
Tasting
Room
at
the
site
during
a
conversation
with
Miss
bedigian
of
CDH
on
December
12th
of
last
year.
AS
AS
AS
Should
the
cup
be
approved,
any
property
owner
in
the
county
with
some
grapevines
could
claim
to
be
a
winery
and
demand
the
same
cop
be
issued
to
them
as
requested
by
Mr
pescule.
Now
he
he
says
well,
that
would
be
contrary
to
federal
law.
We're
not
talking
federal
law,
we're
talking
land
use
in
Idaho,
and
this
is
a
critical
flaw
in
the
whole
process.
AS
Up
to
now,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
hear
quite
a
bit
of
confusion,
I
strongly
disagree
by
the
way,
with
Mr
letson's
opinion
that
this
is
still
a
winery,
even
though
Wine's
not
produced
there
and
there's
no
tasting
room.
If
you
read
the
county
code
that
deals
with
in
the
planning
materials
and
so
on
the
deal
with
wineries,
they
all
contemplate
tasting
rooms.
AS
The
proposed
use
is
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
As
and
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
what
people
have
already
said.
You've
heard
already
that
it's
a
small
Rural
Road
that
supports
this.
But
what
you
haven't
heard
is:
there's
no
street
lights,
it's
very
dark
there
and
the
applicant
wants
to
have
late
night
to
10
pm
activities,
which
will
of
course
require
cleanup
and
so
on,
after
10
pm
by
the
various
caregivers,
the
portapod,
Porta,
John
facilitators
and
so
on.
AS
There's
really
no
attention
to
that.
These
issues
in
the
staff
report.
Instead,
they
bootstrapped
and
said
basically
well.
Wineries
are
okay.
So
therefore,
this
doesn't
impact
the
health
and
safety.
There's
really
no
careful
consideration
of
these
issues
and
we'll
go
through
them
a
little
bit
more
first,
the
fire
department
is
against
the
issuance
of
the
cup.
They
are
concerned
with
the
parking
situation
the
park
and
the
potential
hazards
of
lacking
access
to
the
property
due
to
parked
cars.
AS
You've
also
heard
the
issues
about
water
and
the
ability
of
a
fire
truck
to
turn
around
commissioner
Davidson
asked
a
great
question
which
was
well.
How
does
synthesis
can
all
be
outdoors?
What's
the
increased
fire
risk?
I
think
Miss
Stone
really
addressed
that
with
the
the
cars
parking
on
Bert
place
on
off
the
dirt
road,
where
there
are
tons
of
weeds
and
so
on.
Could
cause
fires
also
by
the
way
there
are
going
to
be
tents,
they're
going
to
be
Caterers?
There
is
going
to
be
fire
at
this
location.
So
it's
it's.
AS
It's
not
at
all
hard
to
imagine
how
there's
an
additional
fire
risk
posed
by
this
proposed
use
and
there's
really
hasn't
been
any
discussion
of
this
point:
Planning
and
Zoning
staff.
In
fact-
and
this
came
up
during
the
plan-
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing-
they
wanted
the
applicant
to
provide
a
revised
site
plan
that
showed
removal
of
the
parking
from
the
applicants
driveway
in
Longford
place,
along
with
a
proposed
plan
for
off-site
parking.
AS
The
Central
District
Health
is
also
opposed
to
the
issuance
of
the
cup.
They
tempered
their
opposition,
which
was
only
if
the
entirety
of
the
events
were
held.
Outdoors
and
portable
toilets
were
used.
There
is
nothing
in
the
cup
that
requires
the
prompt
removal
of
these
portable
toilets,
which
are
both
unsightly
and
small,
bad,
particularly
when
they're
emptied,
and
if
you
read
the
email
exchanges
between
Miss
bedigian
and
Mr
letson.
It's
clear
that
CDH
is
against
this
plan
also
by
the
way
they
said,
CDH
said
explicitly:
no
food
preparation
on
site.
AS
So,
if
you
have
Caterers
bringing
food
in,
of
course,
there's
some
food
preparation
that
needs
to
occur
on
site,
there's,
no
there's.
No.
They
haven't
dealt
with
those
issues,
including,
for
example,
the
disposal
of
food
for
events
with
up
to
50
people.
This
is
something
that
hasn't
been
properly
fleshed
out
and
really
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
what
we're
talking
about
CDH
said
no
use
of
any
structures
it
has
to
be
outdoor
only,
and
so
how
do
you
have
catered
events
with
no
use
of
the
water
and
and
other
facilities?
AS
That,
of
course,
are
pertinances
to
property?
The
pros
use
also
creates
undue
adverse
impacts
to
surrounding
properties
the.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
there,
there
was
some
testimony
by
Mr
pasculi
at
the
last
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing
wherein
he
said.
Oh
no
wineries
actually
increase
property
values
for
another
project
that
you
guys
heard
about.
3
100
sellers.
We
had
a
number
of
letters
and
like
putting
one
on
the
screen,
we'll
give
you
the
names
of
the
Realtors.
AS
So
we
have
Jeffrey
Boyce,
Ted,
Babs,
Jeffrey,
Johnson,
Aaron,
Mercer,
all
real
estate
brokers
in
this
area
that
specialize
in
the
eagle
Foothills,
and
they
all
to
a
one
said
that
these
these
types
of
facilities
absolutely
cause
substantial
diminution
in
the
property
values
of
surrounding
properties.
That
alone
should
disqualify
this
property
from
this
proposed
use,
because
substantial
diminution
in
the
property
values
and
surrounding
homes
is
not
allowed
that
that
is
not
allowed
for
the
issuance
of
the
cup.
So
I
don't
see
how
you
can
get
past
this.
AS
AS
Okay,
so
we
urge
the
Commissioners
to
to
deny
the
cup
in
its
entirety.
However,
if
you
decide
to
to
issue
the
cep,
there
are
a
number
of
conditions
that
need
to
be
addressed.
You've
heard
a
lot
about
the
10
pm
and
I.
Of
course
it
is
unreasonable,
especially
because
these
are
outdoor
events
outdoor
events,
the
sound
is,
of
course,
going
to
be
a
lot
louder
than
if
they
were
indoors.
The
the
condition
allowing
speaker
systems
from
the
residents
to
be
used
for
commercial
events
is
unreasonable.
AS
AS
In
addition,
this
Commission
in
the
3100
sellers
cup
expressly
prohibited
any
Amplified,
music
or
announcements,
and
this
standard
should
be
Pro
should
be
followed
in
this
proposed
use
as
well.
It's
clear
that
Mr
pasculi
fully
intends
to
have
music
in
his
events
and
in
fact
one
of
those
who
testified
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Hearing
in
favor
of
the
of
the
proposed
use
is
apparently
a
DJ,
a
musician
who
was
who
is
employed
by
Mr
pesculi.
AS
AS
The
though
allowing
him
to
use
the
existing
home
entertainment
system
for
music
outside
and
so
on.
There's
no
way
for
you
to
enforce
that.
There's
no
way
for
for
your
staff
to
enforce
that.
We
have
no
idea
what
he
has.
He
could
have
huge
speakers
for
all
we
know
or
add
them,
so
this
is
a
loophole
that
should
not
be
allowed
just
I'm
running
out
of
time,
but
of
course
you
know
I'd
plan
to
have
the
full
15
minutes.
AS
I
just
want
to
make
one
last
point:
if
I
may
isn't
it
is
that
I
was
all
right:
okay,
go
ahead.
Okay,
the
applicant
claims
that
our
group
is
hostile
and
aggressive.
In
fact,
we
dread,
and
just
like
Miss
Stone,
we
dread
being
in
conflict
and
fighting
with
our
neighbors
I,
think
the
lack
of
standards
and
the
granting
of
cups
that
go
against
expectations
of
residents
of
our
neighborhood
generates.
These
types
of
conflicts
I
believe
that
this
is
approximately
the
eighth
conflict
between
Neighbors
in
our
area
and
applicants
seeking
cups.
AS
If
there
were
established
standards
for
a
business
in
a
residential
neighborhood
such
as
ours
that
we
could
all
agree
on,
we
would
not
have
these
types
of
conflicts
in
the
future.
For
example,
3
100
sellers
has
no
Amplified
music,
no
street
parking,
no
large
events,
no
food
service,
no
portable,
toilets,
strict
limits
on
the
number
of
the
property
of
the
people,
the
property
and
Limited
hours.
AS
A
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
commission?
No
question:
I
would
have
a
just
a
question
for
you.
Are
you
familiar
with
the
Ada
County's
noise?
Ordinance?
Yes,
I
am.
Do
you
think
that
the
noise
ordinance
would
be
applicable?
The.
AS
Noise
ordinance
doesn't
apply
until
until
after
10
pm,
apparently
so
it's
it's
problematic
because
there's
no
teeth
to
it,
there's
no
way
to
make
a
noise
complaint
at
9
00
pm.
So
it's
it's
problematic
for
us.
There
would
be,
of
course,
a
private
nuisance
lawsuit
available
to
people,
but
that's
you
know
they
have
to
hire
lawyers
and
do
all
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
help
from
the
county
for
those
things.
AS
A
Okay,
we
have
Mr
Mrs
or
MS
attenberg.
AN
AT
Good
evening,
commission
members
and
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
community.
Thank
you.
I
I
served
Five
Years
on
a
school
board
to
find
out
the
time
and
commitment
these
jobs
take.
My
name
is
Dr
Gary
altenberg
I
live
at
4940
North,
soaring
Lane
in
Eagle,
I
own,
my
own
home
and
live
within
a
thousand
feet
of
proposed
development
and
I
want
to
show
that
the
Rolling
Hills
Winery
does
not
satisfy
the
conditions
of
the
conditional
use.
AT
Permit
it's
kind
of
hard
to
follow
up
some
of
my
predecessors
here
who
I
feel
I've
hit
it
out
of
the
park,
but
I'm
trying
to
put
Planet
put
out
a
few
more
points
in
the
following
discussion.
I
will
refer
to
the
specific
Planning
and
Zoning
findings
of
fact,
conclusion
of
Law
and
Order's
Ada
County
code
analysis
for
this
cup
on
a
section
by
section
basis,
now
I
differ
a
little
bit
from
Mr
letson's
interpretation
of
the
code
and
and
and
the
way
the
way
I
read
it
this.
AT
This
whole
project
has
become
a
moving
Target
and
and
things
keep
changing
and
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
I'm
I'm
an
endodontist,
not
an
attorney
like
Mr
pasculi,
and
so
sometimes
by
moving
these
things
around.
It
makes
it
very
hard
for
myself
and
the
other
residents
to
keep
up
with,
what's
what's
going
on,
because
we're
we're
starting
with
a
different
project
than
when
we
originally
had,
and
it
seems
like
we're
trying
to
tailor,
tailor
something
to
fit
and
and
squeak
it
through.
AT
I
want
to
I'm
going
to
go
by
section
by
section
and
under
Section
2a2b
of
all
the
findings.
You
know
first
and
foremost,
I
feel
that
all
of
you,
as
stewards
of
the
public
trust
we
implore
you
to
up
to
protect
our
property
rights
of
of
the
many
of
us
versus
the
sole
desire
financial
gain
for
one
individual
under
sections,
h1-2.5,
section
2A,
2B,
COA,
15,
Rolling,
Hills
Vineyard
is
it?
Is
it
a
winery
or
an
event
center
or
a
bar?
AT
They
are
asking
for
long
hours
for
large
events.
Compare
that
to
the
zoning
in
Napa
California,
which
then
brought
up
ready,
which
is
the
gold
standard
of
wineries,
I,
think
I
think
you
could
argue
that
anywhere
and
it
limits
most
wineries
operations
from
10
a.m.
To
4
30
P.M
Bailey,
if
you
want,
but
but
those
are,
the
hours
wineries,
rarely
go,
go
past
those
hours
under
Section
2c2d,
there's
a
violation
of
Ada
County,
comprehensive
plan.
AT
We
oppose
this
project
on
the
basis
that
zoning
laws
are
already
in
place
and
clearly
Define
a
loud
property
use.
The
project
has
nothing
to
do
with
agriculture.
Rolling
Hills
is
only
on
five
acres,
which
barely
produces
self-sustaining
products,
nor
do
they
produce
wine
on
site.
Therefore,
they're
not
a
winery,
but
a
vineyard
with
an
event
center
or
a
bar
under
Section,
2d2h
and
3H.
They
violate
the
terms
of
the
cup.
They
do
not
have
plans
for
Tasting
Room.
Therefore,
are
they
a
winery,
an
event
or
Event
Center
or
a
bar
under
Section
2G?
AT
They
violate
Ada
County
code
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard
should
continue
to
operate
their
business
as
an
open
to
the
public
tasting
an
event
center
in
the
downtown
commercially
zoned
area.
Designed
for
that
purpose,
that's
where
they
are
right
now
they
should
continue
to
grow
grapes
around
their
home
in
our
rurally
residentially
zoned
area.
That's
what
they
do.
However,
their
proposal
to
combine
the
two
in
our
neighborhood
will
clearly
affect
my
property
values
and
my
way
of
life
forever.
AT
AT
We
do
not
want
the
negative
impacts
of
nearly
continual
outdoor
music
and
conversation,
noise,
traffic,
alcohol
and
impaired
drivers
where
our
children
grow
up,
nor
do
future
home
buyers,
outdoor
music
and
increased
traffic
impacts
on
the
enjoyment
of
our
property.
Understand
that
any
sound
travels,
a
long
way
in
the
Foothills
and
the
roads
are
narrow
and
I.
Think
everybody's
brought
that
point
up,
and
therefore
the
cup
unduly
adversely
impacts,
not
only
my
property
value,
but
also
of
all
the
neighbors
and
is
in
violation
of
Ada
County
code.
AT
Under
Ada
County
code
8-5b-5
said
Vision
B,
the
cup
must
be
denied
because
the
proposed
use
shall
not
create
undue
in
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
properties
under
sections
the
COA
19.
The
number
of
events
they
are
asking
for
will
likely
impact
every
weekend
of
the
summer
and
extend
into
our
quiet
evenings
I
doubt
a
lot
of
these
events
are
going
to
be
be
done
outside
in
in
February.
AT
Most
of
their
supporters
do
not
even
live
near
their
proposed
Winery
or
they
are
customers
or
vendors.
So
we
argue
that
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard
violates
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan.
Rolling
Hills
has
not
demonstrated
that
they
will
not
adversely
impact
their
neighbors.
The
bird
of
proof
is
upon
them,
not
us.
AT
They
are
not
compliant
with
existing
Ada,
Ada
County
code
or
zoning
ordinances.
So,
in
closing
you
know
I,
please
understand
we
are
not
taking
any
property
rights
away
from
Rolling
Hills
that
they
didn't
originally
have
when
they
purchased
their
property,
but
they
are
taking
our
original
property
rights
away
from
us.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Any
questions.
F
Sure,
okay
go
ahead!
If
the
board
does
move
to
approve
this,
are
you
recommended
recommending
any
additional
conditions
of
approval.
AT
If,
if
I
had
to
to
accept
One
Thing
by
moving
forward,
I
mean
the
whole
as
as
Mr
fever
had
said
previously,
the
whole
thing
really
should
be
null
and
void,
but
if
my
back
were
against
the
wall
and
I
had
to
accept
one
thing:
to
standardize
this
because
again
we're
opening
up
a
a
big
can
of
worms
here.
If
this
thing
goes
through,
there
needs
to
be
some
some
standards
and
I.
Think
undeniably,
the
Napa
Valley
is
the
gold
standard
and
I
would
I
would
propose
limiting
hours,
10
a.m,
to
4
30
P.M.
AT
AT
People
are
still
going
to
be
impacted,
but
that
that's,
if
I
had
to
compromise,
that's
the
only
place
I
could
compromise
and
I
think
that
for
the
safety
of
the
community,
that's
going
to
bring
a
different
clientele
people
who
are
really
coming
to
taste
wine
and
enjoy
wine
not
coming
out
at
nine
o'clock
at
night
to
get
drunk
the
true
wine
tasters
are
out
there
from
ten
to
four.
AL
AK
L
AK
I've
been
at
many
of
these
I
recognize
some
of
you
I'm,
really
tired
of
having
to
defend
what
we
feel
is
a
war
on
our
health
and
safety
of
our
families
and,
let's
see
I'm
gonna,
try
and
make
this
way
under
my
time.
I
agree
with
everything
all
the
people
had
him.
AK
You
said
I
don't
want
to
duplicate
it,
but
I
do
want
you
to
see
my
perspective
because
I
don't
have
these
documents
and
things
I'm,
just
a
mom
with
a
family
and
kids
and
we
live
there
and
I'm
trying
really
hard
not
to
be
emotional,
but
it
it's
a
negative
impact
on
me
having
to
continually
fight
for
our
safety
and
well-being
and
I
feel
that
it's
a
pretty
basic
principle
that
one
person's
rights
stop
when
the
other
person
begins
and
I
think
there's
some
very
basic
principles
in
each
of
these
businesses
that
want
to
use
our
rural
space
as
a
commercial
space
that
it's
like
overlooked
or
somehow
you
you
can't
see
it
or
the
Planning
and
Zoning
misses
it
and
I
don't
understand
how
this
keeps
happening.
AK
Oh
gosh,
the
code
about
the
cups
not
being
detrimental
to
public
health,
safety
or
welfare
and
creating
undue
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
properties.
Yeah
I
know,
you've
heard
it
before.
But
this
is
the
simple
principle:
I
can
understand
how
people
keep
ignoring
and
I
know
in
Bert
place
it's
a
little
tiny
street.
It's
the
the
feeder
streets
that
go
into
it.
We
don't
have
a
green
belt
up
there,
because
it's
rural,
that's,
why
there's
little
tiny
roads
and
there's
no
little
sides
or
bike
Lanes
or
curbs
or
sidewalks
or
Street
lamps.
AK
It's
it's
Rural,
and
so
our
green
belt
is
Homer
in
the
feeder
streets.
That
feed
into
bird
and
I
totally
agree.
Sometimes
I'll
go
around
Homer.
When
we
walk
I'll
go
around
hey
then
or
we'll
go
up,
we'll
go
all
the
way
down
to
Albuquerque
just
depends
on
how
much
time
and
who
you're
with
and
how
fast
they
can
walk,
but
that's
our
green
belt
and
so
to
say.
Oh,
it
doesn't
affect
anyone
that
doesn't
live
on
Bird.
That's
not
true!
AK
It.
There
is
a
danger
and
it
goes
fast
on
those
Hills
that
wind
goes
ripping
right
around
there
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
have
people
visiting,
but
I.
Don't
I,
don't
understand
how
it's
not
obvious,
that
some
of
these
things
adversely
affect
the
neighbors.
If
it
was
your
neighborhood
and
someone
had
porta
potties
out
there,
you
don't
think
that's
adversely
affecting
it.
If
it
was
your
neighborhood
and
you
had
people
parking
where
you're
trying
to
walk
or
people
driving,
Under
the
Influence
or
a
whole
bunch
more
traffic.
You
don't
think.
AK
That's
of
course
it's
diversity
affecting
it,
especially
with
the
alcohol
consumption.
It's
like
an
outdoor
bar
I
mean
all
right.
So
it's
not
a
Tasting
Room
they're
tasting
their
imbibing.
It
doesn't
matter
how
much
they
taste
different
people's
bodies
react
differently.
No
one's
going
to
intentionally
do
these
things,
but
they
don't
ever
intentionally.
Do
them
and
I
feel
it's
the
job
of
the
zoning
and
planning
to
utilize
that
little
section
8-5b-5
to
protect
us.
That's
why
it's
there?
AK
It's
that
we're
one
person's
rights
and
where
the
other
ones
start,
and
somehow
this
has
been
ignored
and
I
think
you
need
to
have
them
go
back.
We
this
has
got
to
be
overturned
and
we
shouldn't
have
to
I.
Don't
know:
I've
been
there
over
a
decade,
almost
12
years
now
and
I.
Don't
know,
what's
happened
recently
at
planning
and
zoning,
but
we
have
been
bombarded
it's
like
a
war
on
our
safety
and
well-being
where
it's
like.
Everyone
wants
to
endanger
us.
AK
AK
You
know
we
can't
jump
out
and
I
can't
get
hit
by
car
and
bounce
around.
It's
not
going
to
be
good
and
it.
This
is
bad
and
I
mean
I'm,
not
getting
all
the
laws.
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
I'm,
not
an
attorney
I'm,
a
retired
teacher,
but
there's
some
Basics
here
that
we've
really
got
to
go
back
to
basis.
Keep
it
simple
sweetie.
This
is
negatively
impacting
all
of
us
in
various
different
respects
and
I
say:
please,
please,
please
go
back
I'm
beseeching!
You
go
back
and
overturn
this
okay.
A
Brown,
thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
okay.
Well.
That
concludes
the
applicants
and,
and
so
now,
we'll
take
public
testimony
and
I'm
a
little
confused,
because
we
have
a
number
of
people
signed
up
for
public
testimony
that
are
that
are
actually
applicants,
and
so
we're
not
gonna,
accept
you
actually,
but
we'll
start
with
Aaron
Dryden
that
it.
AU
A
AU
You
Mr,
commissioner,
how
are
you
of
course,
I
had
my
notes,
but
I
know
what
the
what
the
pasqualis
are
going
through
and
it's
really
hard
to
sit
and
listen
to
this
for
a
few
hours.
So
there's
a
few
things
that
I
I
do
I
would
like
to
really
address.
AU
First
of
all,
out
of
due
respect,
Mark,
it's
nobody's
business,
the
income
you
make
nobody
should
be
talking
about
it.
Nobody
should
be
addressing
it.
Okay,
that's
number
one.
AI
AU
And
so
anyway,
yeah
well
we'll
talk
about
the
property
values.
We
just
got
back
from
Walla
Walla,
because
I
wanted
to
take
my
family
out,
but
we
did
ask
them
the
property
values
over
there
in
the
past
five
years
of
what
has
happened,
and
they
said
it
is
skyrocketed
because
of
The
Vineyards,
there's
150
wineries
out
there
now
so
I
compare
the
the
values
of
the
property
three
years
ago
compared
to
today
it's
doubled
or
maybe
tripled,
and
when
I
asked
them
why
the
values
have
gone
up.
It's
because
of
The
Vineyards.
AU
AU
You
know
people
are
complaining
about
the
fires
in
this
area.
Well,
there's
nothing!
We
could
do
about
the
fires.
We
all
live
in
the
same
area.
So
if
they're
really
concerned
about
fires,
can
we
have
fire
pits
outside?
Can
we
smoke
cigarettes
outside?
What
can
we
do
outside
now?
If
everybody's
worried
about
fires
there's
nothing,
we
can
do
about
that.
We
all
live
in
the
community
and
I,
don't
see
anything
happening
at
a
wine
tasting
or
whatever.
AU
AU
We're
worried
about
the
Pasquale's
little
a
little
area,
but
in
the
next
couple
years
we're
going
to
have
a
firing
range
we're
going
to
have
2
000
homes,
we're
going
to
have
basically
a
recreation
center,
half
a
mile
away
from
us.
That
should
be
a
concern
of
ours.
So
what
we're
asking
today
is
I
see
nothing
wrong
since
I'm
a
neighbor
with
having
a
place
like
the
pasqualis,
it's
going
to
invite
a
lot
of
people
and,
furthermore,
I
probably
have
seven
seconds
left.
AU
AU
AN
Author
double
check
that
we
have
PDF,
but
I
can
reach
out
for
the
exhibit
that
will
be
22A
and
we'll
confirm
that
I
have
what
you
have
there.
So,
okay.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Were
there
any
questions
of
the
of
the
apparently
not
okay,
we
have
Logan
weatherholt.
AV
Good
evening,
chairman
commissioners,
my
name
is
Logan
weatherholt
I
live
at
4562
North
Burke
place.
AV
First
off.
I
would
like
to
add
that
you
know,
contrary
to
what
was
previously
stated.
Contrary
to
popular
belief,
our
guests
will
not
be
biting
any
neighbors
or
their
animals
moving
forward.
Allowing
our
members
to
peacefully
enjoy
and
experience
the
vineyard
will
enhance
both
the
customers
experience
and
produce
a
shared
understanding
of
why
we
feel
so
passionate
about
the
wine
industry,
bringing
attention
and
awareness
of
the
eagle,
Foothills,
Ava
and
viticulture
that
encompasses
The
Vineyard
is
imperative
to
the
growth
of
our
industry
in
Idaho
and
Rolling.
AV
Hills
has
a
unique
opportunity
to
share
that
by
bringing
value,
members
and
customers
to
the
very
source
of
the
wine
that
they
drink.
Okay,
as
we
Face
such
opposition
I
want
to
highlight
several
key
points.
First,
the
very
nature
of
wine
tasting,
Vineyard
tours
and
Winery
experiences
should
never
be
categorized
as
Rowdy
obnoxious
and
or
disturbing
to
the
Peace
of
our
neighbors
and
community.
AV
AM
B
Name
is
Betty
Dryden,
2685,
North,
Haven,
Drive
I
live
about
two
minutes,
walk
from
Rolling
Hills.
They
have
one
of
the
most
beautiful
properties
in
our
area
and
they
care
about
our
area
very
much.
My
family
owns
a
flower
farm
in
the
same
area
as
it
proposed
Winery
tasty
room,
many
of
the
people
in
our
area
work
out
of
their
own
homes
and
have
businesses
in
out
of
their
homes.
B
So
I
kind
of
don't
understand
the
double
standard.
Here.
Let's
address
the
noise.
All
of
the
sudden
in
our
neighborhood,
the
new
woke
word
is
Amphitheater.
I
play
my
music
during
the
summer.
During
the
Spring
all
day,
long
I've
asked
my
neighbors
to
the
sides
of
me
behind
me:
hey
does
my
music.
Can
you
guys
hear
it
and
they're
like
no?
Not
unless
we're
on
your
property?
We
don't
hear
it
if
I'm
out
working
on
my
flower
field,
I'm
playing
music.
B
B
Light
pollution
like
a
schoolies,
are
not
asking
to
add
lights
to
their
property.
If
anybody
has
lived
here
long
enough,
we
know
the
sun
goes
down
at
10
o'clock.
There's
no
need
for
added
lights,
there's
no
safety
issues
in
that
regard,
that
I
can
see.
I,
don't
know
what
light
pollution
people
talk
about,
and
then
here
and
then
the
roads
all
of
the
roads
leading
to
the
Pasquale
property,
are
public
roads
they're
as
good
as
any
other
Road
in
Ada
County
for
our
flower
farm.
We
have
people
coming
and
going
all
the
time.
B
We've
never
had
an
issue
with
the
roads.
We're
allowed
to
be
open
from
8
A.M
to
8
P.M,
and
we
we
like
I,
said
we've
never
ever
had
an
issue,
there's
always
strangers
driving
into
our
area
from
UPS
to
FedEx,
to
whatever
you
want
they're
public
roads.
Of
course,
there's
going
to
be
strangers.
I
had
somebody
approach
me
and
ask
me:
well
what?
If
people
from
Nampa
come
I
mean
that's
the
mentality?
Here
we
don't
live
in
a
gated
community.
B
If
you
don't
want
strangers
coming
into
your
area,
move
to
a
gated
community
would
be
my
best
advice
and
I'm,
not
saying
this
sarcastically,
but
that
happens
in
every
area.
We
don't
know
everybody
that
goes
in
and
out.
We
don't
know
when
somebody
is
having
a
wedding.
You
know
there
are
500
wedding
guests
and
it
really
these
things
seem
so
petty
and
they
tear
this
community
apart.
B
My
family
has
had
to
serve
I,
don't
remember
the
name
of
the
notices
that
our
attorney
had
to
season
desist
letters,
because
we
have
the
most
ridiculous
stuff
happening
to
us
in
this
neighborhood
anyway,
like
my
husband
said,
we've
collected
about
a
thousand
signatures
in
support
for
agritourism
in
our
area.
I
hope
that
you
guys
are
able
to
uphold
the
PNC
commission's
decision
and
let
them
get
on
with
their
business,
like
the
rest
of
us
are
able
to
do.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
AU
A
A
AW
AW
If
I'm
keeping
track
I
believe
that's
where
we're
at
so
I
I
have
six
things
I'll
share
with
you.
The
pasculi's
have
done
nothing
but
really
be
meticulous
in
their
concern
and
thoughtful
compliance
throughout
the
whole
process.
I've
been
at
all
these
hearings,
and
so
they
are
again
and
have
bent
Beyond
Reason.
AW
What
you
have
in
my
exhibit
shows
all
of
the
agribusiness
that
has
already
been
approved,
the
folks
that
have
the
flower
farm,
the
equestrian
centers,
the
berries
on
Valentine.
All
of
those
are
within
one
mile
of
where
the
paschoolies
want
to
operate,
and
it's
all
agribusiness.
It's
agritourism.
You
can
categorize
it
under
that
horses
that
come
to
the
centers,
don't
they're
not
born
and
raised
on
this
property.
They
come
from
throughout
the
country,
so
that
theory
about
grapes
and
or
where
they're
grown
it
doesn't
apply.
So
the
agribusiness
is
there.
AW
AW
Comprehensive
plan,
as
has
been
mentioned,
has
already
supported
this
over
the
years.
10
12
years.
That's
been
in
place,
and
so
you
know
again
I'm
a
neighbor,
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
stretched
and
contorted
and
misrepresented
it's
just
it's
crazy.
It's
amazing,
the
things
that
have
been
said
by
some
of
this
opposition,
the
eagle
Ava.
That's
again
that
wasn't
Mark's
idea,
that's
been
there,
it's
been
there
for
years
and
I
just
think
that
Common
Sense
has
to
enter
in
their
their
compliant.
A
A
AX
Good
evening,
how
are
you
Scott,
Meyer
2261
West
Homer
Road
yeah?
Thank
you.
Scott
I
presented
I
wrote
out
a
little
thing
here
about
what
my
opposition
was
to
this,
but
then
the
chance
planes.
The
plans
have
changed
so
I
have
to
adjust
things
but,
as
everyone
has
said,
we're
in
a
rural
area
I
bought
there
12
years
ago,
because
it
was
rural,
no
neighbors
or
very
few
12.
Five
houses
on
my
street
alone
I
have
to
see
all
the
traffic
come
to
and
from
these
events.
AX
AX
If
you
want
to
take
into
the
other
testimonies
that
other
people
have
had
here,
Blue
Sky,
Farm,
red,
chair
lavender,
you
click,
blueberries,
3100,
sellers,
one,
stone
events
and
then
Rolling
Hills.
All
of
them
have
traffic
I,
see
the
36
cars
at
24
events,
that's
864
cars.
For
that
event
alone.
Add
the
other
six
venues
to
that
and
you
got
a
thousand
plus
more
cars,
we're
on
a
little
Rural
Street.
AX
The
next
question
I
have
is:
is
that
it's
going
to
bring
the
roads
are
going
to
be,
are
not
are
going
to
take
the
punishment
of
it?
The
next
thing
is
the
county
is
going
to
say.
Well,
we
need
to
put
stripes
on
the
road
to
make
it
safer.
The
next
thing
you'll
say
we
need
to
do
more
maintenance
on
the
road,
so
the
taxpayers
are
going
to
pay
for
the
roads
to
be
improved.
AX
If
we
go
a
step
further
from
that
or
what
I
the
big
one
I
want
to
say
is
is
that
the
county
seems
to
think
that,
because
we
have
acreage,
it's
okay,
to
bring
these
businesses
in
and
I
say
that
it's
you're
looking
at
it
as
Market
to
farm,
and
it's
not
Market
to
farm,
it's
Farm
to
Market,
that's
a
big
difference.
Traffic
coming
in
versus
just
a
few
trucks
or
whatever
produces
of
goods
going
out
big
difference,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
add.
AX
We
can
go
down
the
Green
Path
of
carbon
emissions.
If
that's
the
way
the
county
wants
to
go
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
Okay.
Z
A
Z
I,
don't
know
how
we
have
this
alcohol
in
a
rural
residential
area
until
they
have
the
alcohol
permit.
Now
they
do
have
an
alcohol
permit
for
another
site
off-site,
but
I
don't
think
it
translates
to
this
location.
It'd
be
a
lot
of
people
coming
to
this
location.
They
talk
about
their
wine
club.
That's
that's
a
lot
of
folks
land
use
procedures.
Act
is
the
item
that
controls
what
we're
talking
about
here,
which
also
advises
that
you
consider
appropriate
on-site
activities
and
appropriate
off-site
activities.
Z
Since
this
is
a
rural
residential
area,
you
have
to
try
to
mitigate
undo
adverse
impacts.
Well,
they
already
they've
been
a
great
citizen,
because
they've
had
their
Tasting
Room
in
a
commercial
area.
They
produce
their
wine
in
a
commercial
area.
That's
in
compliance
with
the
land
use
procedures,
Act
allowing
this
activity
in
this
property
on
this
site,
you'll
be
bootstrapping.
A
commercial
Enterprise
in
a
rural
residential
area
might
as
well
go
back
to
your
first
event,
where
we're
changing
the
zoning.
Z
One
of
the
problems
with
the
wineries
and
social
halls
in
Ada
County
land
use
procedure
act
requires
that
you
have
uniform
standards,
not
standard,
hey,
there's
a
35-foot
setback,
great,
that's
a
standard.
It's
standards
I
will
give
to
Mr
letson.
You
had
this
before.
In
other
events,
I've
the
only
person
in
this
County
who've
ever
suggested
standards
and
it's
arbitrary
and
capricious
of
you
to
craft
each
one
of
these
different
land
use
procedures.
Act
requires
that
the
neighbors
have
an
expectation
of
what
can
happen
next
to
them.
Z
Z
A
What's
your
what's
that.
Y
Yes,
tonight
yeah
at
least
Curt
Smith,
very
patient
I
live
at
2502,
West,
Timber
Drive
in
Eagle,
just
off
a
Ballantine
Road,
and
if
it's
okay,
I'd
like
to
just
read
a
short
excerpt
from
the
Idaho
wine
commission
website,
that
kind
of
puts
things
into
perspective.
For
me,
Idaho
is
considered
by
some
part
of
the
New
Frontier
of
grape
growing
areas
in
the
United
States.
Y
The
immense
size
is
a
great
Advantage
allowing
tremendous
growth.
The
approval
of
the
abas
was
a
vast
undertaking
and
has
truly
helped
Propel
the
industry
gaining
attention
around
the
world
they
go
on.
Idaho
is
home
up
to
a
fast-growing
wine
industry
and
fantastic
wines.
Its
wine
regions
nurture
the
grapes
with
moderate
climate,
limited
precipitation
and
a
consistent
growing
season
that
adds
complexity
to
the
grapes.
Y
The
characters
characteristically
cold
Winters
allow
wine
to
grow
dormant
gradually,
while
riding
the
plants
of
bugs
and
discouraging
disease.
A
combination
of
cold
nights
and
hot
days
serves
to
balance
acids
and
sugars
in
in
I
guess.
In
conclusion,
the
wine
industry
is
part
of
the
rich
Heritage
of
Idaho
and
continues
to
provide
a
source
of
income
for
the
state
jobs
for
residents
and
world-class
wines
that
everyone
can
enjoy.
Thank
you.
U
J
Thank
you
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Phyllis
Cagle
I've
been
a
friend
of
the
pasculi's
family
for
20
plus
years
and
I
have
never
known
them
to
do
any
event.
That
was
not.
It
was
always
been
respectful.
It's
been
done
with
Integrity
I
have
personally
gone
to
an
event
at
at
the
winery,
and
it
was
handled
with
class
everybody.
There
was
respectful
of
the
neighbors
and
the
property.
The
volume
of
the
music
was
kept
very
quiet,
we're
not
talking
about
a
bunch
of
Rowdy
people
at
a
bar,
we're
talking
about
a
family
event.
J
People
that
are
friends
of
them
are
part
of
the
the
winery
they're
club
members.
They
come.
They
enjoy
food
and
conversation
with
fellow
members
and
as
far
as
a
unsightly
Outhouse,
they
make
outhouses.
Now
that
are
quite
classy.
I
can't
imagine
that
somebody
there
they
would
never
even
consider
putting
a
blue
anti-gump
outside
class
operation.
They
are
operating
with
respect
for
their
neighbors
and
I.
That's
really
all
I
can
say:
I've
never
seen
them
do
anything
that
is
not
in
consideration
and
respectful
of
the
people
that
surround
them.
Thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Okay.
We
have
several
that
have
asked
to
testify
on
my
video.
Do
we
have
anybody
online.
AY
Good
evening
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
taking
time
to
hear
the
testimony.
My
name
is
Dr
Richard,
linhardt
I'm,
a
veterinarian
living
in
Star,
Idaho
and
I.
Guess
what
I
want
to
say
is
I've
worked
with
some
of
the
largest
Agri
businesses
in
the
world
in
China
Russia,
the
United,
States
and
I've
worked
with
some
of
the
smallest
ones
as
well.
AY
People
that
have
one
or
two
cows-
and
the
thing
I
want
to
impress
upon
you
all-
is
that
that
people
that
own
Farms
or
Vineyards
or
ranches
all
are
respectful
the
environment.
They
all
care
deeply
about
their
neighbors.
AY
One
of
the
things
that's
kind
of
a
buzzword
in
the
industry
today
is
sustainability
and
to
be
sustainable.
You
have
to
get
along
with
your
neighbors.
You
have
to
be
a
steward
of
the
land
and
the
steward
of
the
environment
and
I'll
say
without
hesitation
that
Mark
and
Lowry
pasculi
are
all
of
those
things.
They're,
wonderful
stewards
of
the
land,
they're,
wonderful
neighbors
and
the
things
have
been
presented
tonight
really
are
not
a
clear
representation
of.
What's
going
to
happen.
AY
We've
all
either
been
to
wineries
or
have
known
people
that
have
gone
to
wineries,
they're,
not
asking
for
a
bar
they're,
not
asking
for
an
event
center
they're,
not
asking
for
a
restaurant.
The
people
that
oppose
the
conditional
use
permit
have
valid
points,
but
Planning
and
Zoning
has
considered
those
when
they
issued
additional
use
to
prevent
they've
limited
the
number
of
hours
they
limit.
The
number
of
days
paschoolies
are
not
asking
to
be
open
from
10
to
4
30
365
days
a
year.
AY
I
find
it
very
interesting
that
people
are
worried
about
light
pollution,
but
then
they
want
street
lights
to
protect
people
I
also
find
it
very
interesting.
They
claim
that
property
values
will
be
devalued,
but
if
you
look
at
exhibit
21A,
that
was
for
a
large
commercial,
Winery
and
processing
facility.
If
you
look
at
data
from
the
wine
analytics
report
by
and
large
as
other
presenters
have
testified,
the
property
values
around
small
boutique,
Wineries
and
Vineyards
like
schoolies,
have
actually
gone
up
because
of
those
operations.
AY
The
skills
have
indicated
they're,
not
going
to
add
additional
facilities,
they're
not
going
to
use
additional
amplification
of
sound.
It's
an
it's
not
an
event
center:
it's
not
a
bar.
It's
not
a
restaurant
I
think
these
things
are
really
important.
If
we
want
to
have
value-added
Services,
the
small
dairies
and
the
small
ranches
never
make
it.
The
small
Vineyards
never
make
it
unless
they
can
provide
value
to
those
those
products.
The
dairies
are
making
cheese,
they're,
making
ice
cream.
The
small
Vineyards
are
selling
wine
and
having
small
events.
AY
People
want
to
know
where
their
food
and
their
wine
comes
from.
I
can
envision
small
groups
touring
the
winery
turning
touring,
The
Vineyards,
doing
a
farm
to
table
event
where
they
set
up
a
table
and
maybe
have
locally
sourced
foods,
of
course
prepared
off-site
and,
of
course,
the
conditional
use
permit.
But
all
these
things
are
really
important
to
to
the
region.
I
think
it
adds
value
to
the
area.
I,
don't
think
it
distracts
value
from
the
area.
I'm
respectful,
I
respectfully
ask
the
commission
to
affirm
the
conditional
use
permit
and
deny
the
appeal
thank.
A
You,
okay,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
others.
AR
Hi,
thank
you.
Can
you
guys
hear
me.
AR
My
name
is
Haley
mender
I
reside
at
3005,
West
Bar
Street
in
Boise
and
I
work
at
4004,
West,
Homer
Road.
Thank
you,
Commissioners
for
your
time,
I'm
calling
in
in
support
of
Rolling
Hills
and
the
pap
Healy
family.
First
I'd
hope
that
you
focus
on
the
application
presented,
which
is
only
for
the
24
events,
all
of
the
conditions
that
now
apply
you
to
consider
their
parking
and
rewriting
kind
of
the
words
for
their
two-year
review
and
then,
secondly,
I
hope.
You
also
focus
on
the
applicants.
AR
This
is
a
family
they're
running
a
small
family
business
that
starts
with
an
Agricultural
Product,
that's
on
their
property.
It's
not
a
corporation
or
a
big,
a
huge
business
with
you
know
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
employees.
It's
a
family-
and
this
is
also
not
a
rezone.
It's
100
legal.
It's
the
only
way
to
get
a
winery
in
Ada
County
is
to
or
sorry
an
unincorporated
Ada
County
is
through
a
cup.
AR
AR
I
also
agree
with
some
of
the
appellants
and
feel
like
this
process,
and
wineries
in
unincorporated
areas
should
be
standardized.
There
are
plenty
of
businesses
being
run
in
the
Homer
neighborhood,
and
we
would
love
as
wineries
to
be
treated
with
the
same
respect
and
streamlined
permitting
as
with
other
businesses.
So
in
conclusion,
please
approve
and
support
this
small
local
family
business.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
AZ
AZ
Mr
pasculi
continues
to
claim
to
be
the
savior
of
Ag
and
open
space
by
bringing
his
commercialization
to
the
rural
District.
He
claims
that
without
his
Winery
it
will
turn
into
endless
subdivisions.
This
is
an
absolute
farce
while
development
is
coming.
This
is
what
the
county
code
and
comp
plan
are
for,
and
it's
your
job
to
enforce
them
as
written.
None
of
the
opposition
in
this
room
is
against
agriculture
or
Vineyards.
AZ
He
claims
we
are
loud
voices
of
a
small
minority
when
in
fact
it
is
he
and
his
wine
cabal,
who
are
the
small
minority,
with
the
exception
of
other
wine,
Growers
and
agrotainment
businesses.
Here
tonight,
nearly
100
percent
of
the
residents
in
the
North
Eagle
Foothills
oppose
this
commercialization
of
our
district.
That
is
no
small
minority.
AZ
AZ
Finally,
Mr
pisculli
has
claimed
that
he
is
a
good
neighbor
and
being
subjected
to
all
these
personal
attacks
when
in
fact
the
opposite
is
true.
Mr
pasculi
is
not
liked
by
any
of
his
neighbors,
with
the
exception
of
Cooper,
who
sells
him
as
grapes,
he
has
lied
about
his
intentions.
He
has
violated
building
code
and
regulations.
He
has
driven
his
ATV
across
my
newly
landscaped
property
and
he
has
been
referred
to
the
attorney
general
for
ethics
violations
for
using
his
position
on
the
wine
commission
to
lobby
for
changes
in
the
code
for
personal
benefit.
AZ
Does
this
sound
like
a
good
neighbor
to
you?
These
are
not
personal
attacks.
These
are
facts.
These
wineries
act
like
this
is
a
two-tiered
justice
system.
Much
like
we
see
in
Washington
these
days
where
the
rules
code
and
law
don't
apply
to
them.
It's
time
to
be
a
conservative
leaders
that
you
were
elected
to
be
and
put
an
end
to
the
charade
by
protecting
the
property
rights
of
the
majority
of
your
constituents
rather
than
a
few
greedy
businesses
who
think
code
restrictions,
don't
reply
to
them.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
I'm
not
going
to
accept
any
more
personal
attacks,
so
if,
if
anybody
else
comes
up
I'm
going
to
stop
you,
but
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
take
personal
attacks
limit
limit
your
your
testimony
to
the
issues
and
and
and
avoid
personal
attacks.
Thank
you.
BA
BA
The
pascularis
have
built
a
beautiful
addition,
and
it's
really
wonderful
to
see
that
someone
wants
to
put
effort
toward
a
managing
a
crop.
We
should
all
be
thankful
that
the
cup
will
work
to
keep
their
acreage
and
grapes
and
not
more
houses,
their
misconceptions.
There
are
misconceptions
of
how
a
small
Winery
works.
BA
Lastly,
as
Commissioners
I
hope
that
you
see
the
positive
impact
that
Rolling
Hills
has
made
in
this
area.
This
is
a
property
rights
issue,
as
well
as
a
good
faith
issue.
The
pascualis
have
invested
in
their
land
years
ago
with
the
good
faith
that
the
Ada
County
plan
supported
their
land
use.
We
must
continue
to
help
agriculture
Thrive
so
that
landowners
aren't
tempted
to
grow
new
houses
and
new
subdivisions
on
their
acreage.
Thank
you.
Any
questions.
A
BB
There
have
been
repeated
references
to
the
designation
of
Eagle
Eva,
so
I
sourced
five
dictionary
references
for
viticulture,
I
found
definitions,
cultivation,
our
culture
of
grapes,
especially
for
wine,
science,
art
or
study
of
growing
grapes,
process
of
cultivating
grapevines
study
of
grapes
and
growing
grapes,
either
for
raw
consumption
or
wine,
including
all
the
agricultural
studies,
efforts
and
actions
of
growing
grapes
until
the
day
of
harvest.
BB
So
in
those
definitions,
they
reflect
the
goals
listed
in
findings,
effects
and
conclusions,
gold,
2.5,
3.3,
3.3,
C,
3.3
D,
which
all
refer
to
agriculture
operations,
no
mention
of
commercial
or
Event
Center.
BB
So
to
tie
them
to
such
and
the
repeated
changing
proposals
is
to
obfuscate
through
circumlocution
masking
the
commercial
level
of
the
cup
proposal
through
its
agriculture
family,
residential
neighborhoods
aren't
the
place
to
develop
recreational
tourism,
subdivision,
covenants
and
restrictions
were
designed
to
apply
weren't
designed
to
apply
tourist
designations
onto
streets
property
or
serve
as
a
neighbor
at
what
decibel
would
music
have
to
play
to
be
audible
above
conversing
of
50
people,
plus
owners,
workers
and
Caterers,
and
there's
no
double
standard?
BB
Other
homeowner
businesses,
the
small
private
ones
they
don't
host
public
groups,
are
regularly
dispense.
Alcohol,
which
are
the
main
issues
in
section
85b5a,
about
detrimental
to
public
health
safety
and
Welfare
roads
also
carry
bikers
in
Wildlife,
Crossings,
regular
group.
Public
consumption
of
alcohol
is
not
rural
in
nature
and
also
in
part.
G
shall
not
impede
the
normal
development
of
surrounding
properties.
The
normal
intended
uses
rural
residentials
two
families
on
my
street
left
due
to
event
centers
coming.
We
purchase
our
property
for
its
true
rural
benefits,
I'm
sure
there
will
be
many
home
buyers.
BB
Looking
for
the
same,
if
the
commissioner
finds
new
evidence
in
the
record,
that
indicates
that
the
winery
will
impede,
perhaps
that's
due
to
only
considering
the
vines,
because
public
event,
centers
in
backyards
hasn't
been
what's
occurred
in
the
past
or
now
in
the
hundreds
and
thousands
plus.
A
five
acre
lots
north
of
Beacon
Light
Road
16
to
55,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
compatible
use.
BB
E
AJ
Come
up
soon
from
the
row
right
here
so
we'll
know
we
are
I,
would
just
dance
Parsons
and
won't
repeat
all
the
wonderful
things
have
already
been
said.
AE
AE
There
is
no
reason
Rolling
Hills
should
be
given
a
conditional
use
permit,
given
so
much
opposition
from
The
Neighbors
in
the
direct
area.
I
can
understand
if
one
testified,
if
no
one
came
and
testified
in
opposition,
but
this
is
not
the
case
most
of,
if
not
all
that
are
in
favor
of
this
cup.
Do
not
live
close
to
the
area
and
will
not
be
affected.
I,
understand,
property
rights
and
I
understand
property
rights.
AE
Don't
give
people
conditional
use
permits
just
because
they
apply
for
them,
but
everyone
has
property
rights,
but
this
cup
will
create
a
nuisance
to
other
neighbors
and
their
own
property
rights.
Title
52-101
states
that
a
nuisance
is
anything
that
would
interfere
with
the
comfortable
enjoyment
of
life
and
property.
AE
For
events,
50
people,
24
events,
that's
an
event
every
nice
weekend
that
you
want
to
be
out
in
your
yard
and
join
it,
and
you'll
have
people
from
the
public
there.
Looking
in
your
yard,
I
think
the
cup
should
be
denied
based
on
the
information
that
has
been
brought
to
you
up
to
this
point
and
I,
don't
understand
why
you,
commissioners,
keep
asking
the
neighbors
that
came
here
and
appealed
this
and
you
keep
asking
them
what
they're,
okay
with
like
you're
trying
to
get
them
to
be?
Okay
with
it.
AE
AE
Okay,
this
neighborhood's
gonna
turn
into
a
festival.
You
keep
letting
these
things
go
conditional
use
permit!
Oh,
what
are
you
okay
with?
What
are
you,
okay
with
on
this
one?
No
no
standards
like
Keith
said.
AE
Another
thing
to
mention
is:
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
opposed
to
these
cups
that
have
been
put
forth
in
our
neighborhood,
and
you
know
some
of
them
are
not
here
tonight
because
they
come
up
here.
They
give
their
testimony
and
they
get
cease
and
desist
letters
from
the
people
applying
for
the
cups.
AE
AI
F
BC
I'm
Ryan
alberg
I
live
at
4940
North,
storing
Lane,
which
is
pretty
close
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
a
lot
of
the
people
here
that
are
in
opposition
of
it
actually
live
nearby
the
property.
A
lot
of
people
in
support,
actually
don't
live
there
and
they
just
have
something
like
stand
to
gain.
Something
from
you
know.
Getting
a
conditional
use
permit
permitted
some
of
the
people
that
some
do
live
nearby,
but
they
also
stand
to
gain
something
they
also
have
a
business
as
well.
BC
A
A
L
A
A
AP
You
gonna
you're
gonna
duel,
it
Mr
chairman.
We
are
going
to
do
it
and
I
apologize.
I
thought
that
the
trailer
park
was
going
to
be
the
long
hearing
tonight
that.
AP
So
we
will
remain
pretty
high
level.
I
will
share
my
time
and
and
I
just
want
to
quickly
say
we
are
here
tonight
asking
this
commission
the
board
to
apply
the
the
County
zoning
code.
We
agree
with
staff's
analysis
that,
in
the
rural
residential
Zone,
a
winery
is
a
is
a
use
that
is
allowed
with
a
conditional
use
permit
so
we're
here
asking
for
that
conditional
use
permit.
Tonight.
AP
The
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
imposed
a
significant
number
of
conditions
on
this,
use
that
otherwise
limit
or
mitigate
the
impact
to
our
surrounding
neighbors.
This
is
not
a
bar,
it's
not
an
event
center.
Our
conditions
specifically
require
24
events,
but
they
have
to
be
between
10
a.m
and
10
pm,
but
they
can
be
no
more
than
four
hours
in
duration
and
it's
important
that
these
events
have
to
be
tied
to
the
winery
itself.
AP
Promotional
events,
these
aren't
weddings,
they
aren't
bachelorette
parties,
they
are
wine,
related
promotional
events,
we've
heard
about
two
of
your
approval
criteria,
tonight:
public
health,
safety
and
Welfare,
and
undue
adverse
impacts.
There's
nothing
in
the
record
that
demonstrates
this
will
adversely
impact
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
AP
So
to
the
extent
comments
were
raised,
that
agencies
opposed
those
are
those
are
not
accurate
as
it
relates
to
adverse
impacts.
I
just
want
to
highlight
the
standard
again,
that's
undo
adverse
impact,
not
any
impact.
Any
impact
would
be
a
standard
that
no
development
could
meet
a
house
going
in
next
door.
That's
going
to
impact
me
at
some
extent,
but
undo
means
excessive
and
I
didn't
hear
any
comments
tonight
that
thought
that
there
would
be
excessive
impact
to
their
property.
AP
What
I
heard
is
that
they
don't
want
people
talking
and
background
music
playing
or
people
driving
on
public
roads.
Those
are
all
lawful
activities
that
could
be
conducted
on
this
property
without
a
conditional
use
permit
with
family
gathering
so
again,
no
undue
adverse
impact
and
no
negative
impacts
to
public
health,
safety
and
Welfare.
AP
One
more
thing
that
we
heard
a
lot
was
that
the
ball
was
moving
on
this
application.
I
want
to
highlight
that
that's
also
not
the
case.
The
applicant
Mr
pasculi
submitted
a
very
detailed
narrative
in
support
of
this
application.
I
believe
it's
dated
October
22nd.
This
project
has
not
not
changed
in
scope
or
proposal
since
that
time
it
did
not
change
at
the
pnz.
It's
not
changed
since
pnz.
AP
AO
Commissioner
or
commissioner
back
and
a
couple
things
real,
quick
tonight
has
really
proved
one
thing:
almost
everybody
that's
testified
before
you
moved
here
when
Ada
County's
comp
plan
and
the
City
of
eagles
future
comp
plan
had
all
designated
sections
of
the
eagle
Foothills
as
agritourism.
AO
AO
Napa
Valley
seems
to
be
The,
Whipping
Boy
for
tonight,
a
lot
of
cherry
picking
going
on,
and
even
though
we
grow
wine,
grapes,
I,
know
cherry
picking
when
I
see
it.
The
thing
they
conveniently
left
out
is
all
of
the
events
that
happen
after
hours
at
those
wineries,
those
are
regular
business
hours,
they
have
events.
AO
F
All
right
so
on
the
number
of
events,
the
24
events
per
year,
when
I
first
saw
that
I
thought.
Okay,
that's
two
events
a
month
doesn't
sound
like
a
big
deal
and
then
I
realized-
oh
you're,
not
going
to
be
doing
them
in
the
winter.
So
what
is
what
is
the
season?
You
expect
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
opponents.
AO
This
is
Idaho
at
least
people
that
were
traditionally
from
here
are
pretty
hardy
people,
so
you
could
have
events,
you
know
in
April,
through
October.
F
AO
Well,
we're
requesting
24
events
that
doesn't
mean
we'll
have
24
events,
we're
requesting
up
to
50
people
that
doesn't
mean
there'll,
be
50
people
each
time
and
then
the
other
concern
about
converting
it
into
a
tasting
room.
That's
open!
Every
day
of
the
week,
you
have
to
apply
for
a
Judicial
use,
permit
to
do
that
and.
A
F
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
hours,
just
I
would
say
nine
o'clock
or
ten
o'clock
I
can
understand
the
concerns
of
not
wanting
to
have
something
going
up
until
dark
I
mean
I
could
see.
Ending
it
prior
to
the
sun
goes
down
to
give
everybody
a
chance
to
get
on
the
road
before
it's
completely
dark
outside.
That
is
something
that
I'm
taking
into
consideration.
AO
Yeah,
commissioner,
back
commissioner
Davidson
yeah
I
mean
when
you
think
of
the
summer
hours
when
it's,
you
may
have
a
Vineyard
walk
in
the
morning
when
it's
cooler,
so
you're
not
having
one
from
like
two
to
six
or
seven
or
you
may
want
to
have
one
later
in
the
day.
So
yeah
I
mean
the
idea
is
that
those
extended
hours
with
the
event
can
only
be
four
hours?
Is
there
specifically
to
maneuver
around
what
would
be
the
weather
in
the
spring?
You
probably
would
want
to
have
it
from.
AO
You
know
two
to
six
when
it's
probably
going
to
be
warmer
same
thing
in
the
fall,
so
you
know
it
it's
it's
broad
from
that
standpoint,
because
it's
so
limited,
because
if
you
go
to
these
other
places
where
they
have
events,
the
event
application
can
be
very
brought
to,
they
can
have
in
a
dinner
event.
They
can
have
an
event
earlier
in
the
day.
If
we
were
asking
for
208
days
a
year
and
to
be
open
from
10
to
10,
I
would
understand
the
concern
more.
A
Okay,
now
we
get
the
rebuttals
from
Johnson
Ms
Johnson.
You
have
five
minutes.
AQ
Is
it
a
wine
Garden
like
what
is
it
that
we're
approving
and
I
just
I
I
just
knew
that
people
would
get
up
and
say
that
it's
Petty
to
think
that
the
noise
or
the
traffic
that
those
don't
matter,
but
they
do
matter
that
impacts
my
quality
of
life,
my
ability
to
enjoy
my
property
every
day
and
and
it
it
does
seem
that
the
majority
of
the
people
that
are
in
favor
that
live
near
have
their
own
conditional
use
permits
they're
they
have
their
own
whatever
horse
in
the
race
right.
AQ
The
those
of
us
that
are
opposed
are
not
asking
for
conditional
use
permits
for
ourselves.
We
just
want
to
enjoy
our
quiet
rural
property.
That's
one
more
thing,
I
wanted
to
say,
but
I
didn't
write
it
down.
So,
okay,
yeah
thank.
A
You,
okay,
any
questions
for
Ms
Johnson.
C
AH
I
just
had
a
couple
things
I
hope
you
will
review
the
findings
of
Planning
and
Zoning,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
conclusions
that
they
drew
were
based
on
things
that
weren't
correct,
so
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
them,
that
would
be
great
I,
don't
know
how
this
goes
after.
You
make
some
kind
of
a
decision,
but.
AH
What
some
of
the
things
that
were
in
there
just
don't
seem
right
to
me:
I
know
the
the
designations
of
the
property
weren't
right,
so
you
know
there's
more
in
there.
The
other
thing
is
the
parking
spaces,
all
right,
they're
parking
on
the
street
they're
parking
here,
they're
parking
there
I
don't
know,
but
if
you've
got
50
people
coming
to
an
event,
I,
don't
think
it
makes
any
sense
to
say.
AH
Oh
they're,
going
to
come
forward
to
a
car
I
mean
we
go
sometimes
three
to
a
car,
maybe
four
to
car,
but
they're
not
going
to
go
to
a
wine
party
and
then
drive
each
other
home
all
over
the
place.
I
don't
see
that
happening,
so
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
25
spaces,
probably
for
the
people
coming
to
the
party
okay.
Well,
then,
you've
got
the
family
that
works
there.
I,
don't
know
how
many
four
or
five
I
don't
know
will
be
coming
in
with
cars,
and
then
you've
got
Caterers
with
cars.
AH
So
in
servers,
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
those
they'll
have,
but
how
many
more
parking
spaces
do
they
need
for
those
people
I'm
just
concerned
where
they're
all
going
and
I'm
worried
that
they're
parking
under
my
trees
and
right
up
by
my
fence,
I
mean
it
just
it
worries
me.
I
can
hear
my
neighbors
even
in
the
yard,
if
one
of
them's
going
up
and
down
their
driveway
I
I
go
oh
look
UPS
or
whatever,
but
you
can
hear
them.
AH
It's
quiet
up
there,
so
25
or
more
cars
leaving
at
10
o'clock
at
night,
it's
gonna
be
noisy
I
mean
we
have
our
windows
open
in
the
winter.
If
it's
not
I
mean
in
the
summer,
when
it's
not
too
hot,
we'll
hear
those
people
out
there
at
10
o'clock.
I
am
normally
in
bed
two
hours
by
now.
So
this
is
really
kind
of
an
imposition
for
me.
AH
Okay,
the
we
covered
the
events.
You
know
one
of
the
things
is
they
keep
talking
about
wanting
to
have
these
parties
in
their
community
in
their
wine
club,
and
that's
all
fine.
You
know
the
funny
thing
is
they
want
to
do
this?
I,
don't
know
how
much
they're
going
to
charge
for
this
I
have
no
idea
but
they're
going
to
make
a
profit
on
it
or
they
wouldn't
be
doing
it
if
they
wanted
to
invite
members
of
their
wine
club
up.
Hey
have
a
party
you
know
have
20
people
over.
AH
They
have
every
right
to
do
that.
They
just
don't
have
the
right
to
do
that
and
charge
for
it
if
they
really
wanted
the
people
to
come
up
and
they
wanted
the
sense
of
community.
Do
it.
I
have
friends
over
I.
Have
them
coming
tour,
my
Gardens
at
beautiful
gardens
all
over
my
property
I
have
several
people
up
at
a
time
we
walk
around.
We
drink
wine
I
point
at
the
flowers
and
tell
them
what
they
are.
It's
all
legal.
They
could
do
that
too.
We're
not
objecting
to
that.
AH
AH
AS
Good
evening
in
rebuttal,
first
thing
is
the
applicant
claims
he's
asking
for
the
bare
minimum
he's
actually
asking
for
the
maximum.
The
maximum
number
of
events
you're
allowed
to
have
is
24
he's
asking
for
24..
The
maximum
number
of
people
you're
allowed
to
have
is
50
is
asking
for
50..
So
it's
misleading
for
him
to
claim
that
he's
not
asking
for
the
maximum.
He
is
indeed
asking
for
the
maximum
per
the
code.
You
couldn't
give
him
more
than
this
number
of
events
and
this
number
of
people.
AS
It's
not
true
that
this
that
this
application
always
contemplated
no
tasting
room,
that's
absolutely
false,
and
if
you
look
at
your
staff's
workup
you'll
see
it
all
contemplated
a
tasting
room.
It's
this.
The
deletion
of
The
Tasting
Room
was
done
after
the
staff
work
up
and
just
before
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
So
again,
there
wasn't
time
to
properly
analyze.
What
is
a
winery
is
simply
a
property
with
vines
and
no
wine
production
and
no
Tasting
Room
a
winery,
because
the
staff
didn't
have
time
during
their
work
up
to
do.
AS
This
you've
heard
a
lot
of
of
talk
back
and
forth
about
the
character
of
the
applicant,
and
actually
it's
my
position
that
the
character
of
the
applicant
doesn't
matter.
It
doesn't
matter,
because
this
is
a
real
property
entitlement.
Once
the
cop
is
granted
the
pro
the
applicant
could
sell
the
property
and
the
new
owner
acquires
the
cup
as
well.
AS
So,
therefore,
all
this
talk
about
him
being
such
a
nice
guy
and
he
would
never
do
anything
wrong
and
he
loves
his
neighbors
or
the
veterinarian,
who
has
a
overly
optimistic
view
of
humanity,
thinks
that
every
farmer
loves
all
of
his
neighbors.
It's
absurd
and
the
fact
is
that
the
cup
should
be
written
such
that
no
one
could
abuse
it.
Even
if
a
bad
character
would
acquire
this
property,
he
would
not
be
able
to
abuse
the
conditions
and
and
the
status
so
I.
Just
like
you
to
keep
that
in
mind.
AS
Also,
we,
the
the
the
the
applicants
Council,
suggests
that
we
haven't
produced
evidence
of
significant
diminution
of
property
value
or
actually
undue
adverse
of
impacts.
Well-
and
he
says
we're
just
talking
about
Noise
We-
produce
five
letters
from
Realtors
talking
about
the
substantial
impact
of
property
values
for
these
kinds
of
of
projects
and
in
fact,
those
letters.
3
100
sellers
is
not
a
large-scale
commercial
operation.
I'm
sure
the
Menders
would
be
very
would
disagree
completely
with
what
the
veterinarian
said.
AS
In
fact,
it's
a
very
similar
sort
of
operation
very
similar
in
size,
and
so,
therefore,
these
letters
are
substantial
evidence
of
the
of
a
very
real
impact
in
property
values
and
it's
incorrect
for
Council
to
say
that
they
do
not
constitute
an
undo
burden
because
they
certainly
do
when
you
talk
about
what
is
an
undue
burden.
You're
talking
about.
Does
the
burden
exceed
the
benefit
and
absolutely
the
answer
is
yes.
AS
F
Maybe
very
briefly,
can
you
summarize
your
the
letters
from
the
Realtors
and
what
their,
what
their
conclusions
were,
what
it?
What
did
they
analyze?
What
was
their
evidence
again.
E
A
AS
Don't
know
that
I
they
talk
about
their
experience
and
that
this
is
these
are
these
are
one
and
two
page
letters
and
they
talk
about
their
experience,
and
this
is
what
happens
a
base,
for
example,
miss
Mr
Boyce,
based
on
my
many
years
of
experience,
is
licensed
real
estate
broker
in
this
area.
AS
Don't
think
these
are
appraisal
reports,
so
I,
don't
think
they
own
that
level
of
detail.
These
are
opinions
from
Realtors
who
are
very
familiar
with
the
art,
the
market
and
which
certainly
qualify
as
experts
in
any
Court,
based
on
their
experience,
so
I
think
that
their
opinion
letter
should
actually
be
given
a
great
deal
of
deference,
especially
considering
the
fact
that
the
applicant
has
not
rebutted.
AS
These
has
not
provided
any
significant
expert
testimony
from
a
realtor
or
an
appraiser
saying
that
these
are
wrong
and
I
think
that
would
be
critical
again
as
Mr
altenberg
pointed
out
or
Dr
altenberg
I
should
say
pointed
out
it's
their
burden,
not
ours,
but
we
are
doing
Beyond
above
and
beyond
by
showing
you
this
contrary
evidence
that
really
is
important
to
your
decision.
All.
A
You,
okay,
any
one
of
the
altenbergs.
AT
AT
You
know
without
a
reasonable
doubt
that
this
is
not
going
to
impact
people.
This
is
too
small
of
an
area,
Too
Close
tip
Neighbors,
and
it's
going
to
adversely
impact
them.
It's
it's
very
obvious.
People
do
have
property
rights
and
and
should
be
able
to
do
certain
certain
things.
What
if
I
wanted
to
put
a
helicopter
landing
pad
in
the
middle
of
my
property
and
take
my
helicopter
up
and
down
every
morning
at
six
a.m,
and
maybe
at
midnight
or
well
as
a
noise,
ordinance,
9,
30.
AT
AT
AT
Can
you
imagine
by
your
house
every
night
of
the
summer
or
every
day
of
the
summer,
every
weekend,
I
should
say
that
some
event
is
going
on,
and
that
would
just
be
that
would
just
become
maddening
year
after
year
after
year,
go
here
comes
summer,
we're
going
to
have
strings
of
cars
going
up
the
road
we're
going
to
have
people.
There's
gonna
be
noise.
You
can't
tell
me
there
isn't
noise
and
I
know
there
were
some
some
things
like.
AT
Can
you
hear
things
like
yeah
I
can
hear
the
high
school,
but
the
high
school
is
a
common
good.
It's
a
public
good
I
can
hear
the
the
National
Guard
when
they
blow
up
a
bomb
or
they
fly
some
Jets
over
my
house,
but
that's
a
public
good.
This
is
not.
This
is
serving
one
individual
and
and
to
impact.
So
many
people,
I
I,
go
I.
Go
again
to
that.
AT
We
have
to
be
very
careful
here
because,
if
we
let
this
go
through
like
what
was
just
brought
up,
where
is
this
going
to
lead
us?
What
what
what
slippery
slope
is
this
going
to
lead
us
down
so
I
think
I
think
it
just
doesn't
it
just
doesn't
really
pass
the
the
sniff
test?
If,
if
you
will-
and
it's
not
the
right
place
for
this-
maybe
in
the
middle
of
100
acres,
but
it's
not
it's
not
the
right
place
being
so
close
to
Neighbors.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AK
I
think
the
issue
isn't
that
they're,
making
a
lot
of
money
or
little
money
or
any
money,
I
I
think
it's
that
this
isn't
the
right
place
to
do
it
and
they're
making
whether
it's
a
penny
or
a
million
dollars
at
the
expense
of
their
neighbors
and
I
do
feel.
The
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
are
to
do
adverse
effects.
AK
The
noise
is
irritating,
but
it's
not
going
to
maim
or
hurt
someone
again.
The
light
I
mean
there's
I'm,
not
saying
they're,
not
irritating,
and
they
aren't
adverse,
but
definitely
the
health
and
well-being
and
safety
is
my
biggest
concern
as
a
parent
and
a
homeowner
in
in
that
neighborhood
and
I
I.
Think
it's
just
very
simple
and
I
really
appreciate
your
time
and
being
so
generous
and
letting
us
express
our
concerns.
A
A
AN
E
Y
AN
AN
A
A
For
we've
got
all
the
exhibits
all
right,
so
we
could
then
legitimately
close
this
public
hearing
and
start
our
discussion,
then,
with
all
everything
I
think
everybody
has
had
a
chance
to
speak
and
all
the
exhibits
have
been
added.
So
I
will
then
close.
The
public
hearing
on
application.
E
A
A
number
of
of
of
appeals,
because
that
really
elongated
the
time
and
so
I
don't
know
how
I
don't
think
I
don't
know.
Has
that
been
done
before
I,
don't
know
in
my
recollection
that
has
not,
but
but
they
did
elongate
the
time
and
so
I
think
it's
very,
very
you're
able
to
say
your
piece
and
you've
you've
been
able
to
do
that
all
in
good
time.
So
anyway,
the
public
hearing
has
been
closed
and
it's
now
up
for
discussion
with
with
the
board.
C
A
Right
there
well
I'd
have
another
another
question
to
stab,
because
it
was
brought
up
that
about
standards
and
so
forth,
and
that
that
does
confuse
me
a
little
bit
because
we've
we've
we've
had
some
different
standards
and
some
different
requirements
in
some
of
these,
like,
for
instance,
what
are
the
what's?
The
typical
closing
time
that
we
have
allowed.
AN
Chairman
Commissioners,
that
has
varied,
you
know,
I,
think
we've
been
pretty
restrictive
on
some
wineries
recently,
I
think
the
3100
sellers
example
brought
up
was
very
limited
hours.
I
can't
off
the
top
of
my
head
recall
what
those
are
nothing
past
10
o'clock
has
ever
been
approved,
but
yeah
we
have
seen
some
seven
eight
nine
PM
closures
in
the
past
limitation
on
days
of
the
week
I
mean
it's
all
subject
to
whatever
the
board
decides
is
the
best
fit
from
a
condition.
Standpoint.
A
C
AN
It's
a
condition
specific
to
when
the
sun
is
down
right.
I
haven't
seen
one
of
those
recently
but
I
again.
You
could
propose
that
I
think
it
gets
a
little
hard
to
regulate,
particularly
for
code
enforcement,
as
obviously
that's
a
changing
thing
throughout
the
year,
but
I
think
you
could
include
a
condition
like
that.
If
you
wanted
to.
A
Well,
I'm
a
little
confused
about
the
about
the
parking
because
they're
they're
asking
what
what
are
our
conditions
of
approval
relative
to
parking.
AN
Yes,
I
can
those
are
in
the
draft
conditional
use
findings.
I
know
they
are
but
I'm
asking
you
to
pull.
AN
You
through
them
real,
quick,
so
the
conditions
as
they
exist
today
put
on
the
project
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
If
you
were
to
uphold
those
would
be
to
remove
all
the
parking
along,
the
driveway
in
Northbrook
place,
there's
a
specific
condition
about
the
dimensions
of
the
Ada
accessible
space.
There's
a
condition
that
says
the
maximum
attendees
per
event
shall
be
limited
to
no
more
than
20.
AN
Unless
an
off-site
parking
plan
is
submitted,
showing
how
parking
will
be
accommodated
for
events
that
are
up
to
50
attendees
and
then
those
are
specific
to
parking.
There
are
some
other
things
associated
with
the
driveway
dimensions
and
turn
around
both
from
a
County
engineer
and
the
fire
department,
but
those
three
that
I
just
provided
were
the
parking.
A
If
an
event
is
is
no
more
than
20
people,
then
there's
not
a
specific
limitation
on
the
parking
yeah.
AN
A
C
AN
And
so
certainly
they
could
do
that
if
they
could
comply
with
the
fire
department
standards
and
meet
our
standard
for
a
dimensional
requirement
for
a
parking
space,
but
the
the
fire
department
was
okay
with
parking
on
site
so
long
as
it
doesn't
impede
the
flow
of
traffic
on
the
driveway
and
doesn't
impede
the
turnaround
area
necessary
for
emergency
vehicles.
So
it
certainly
is
that
no
pasculi
could
find
I.
AN
Think
parking
to
the
east
I
think
his
attorney
Mr
Bauer
brought
that
up
that
might
be
an
area
they
expanded
on-site
parking
place
or
again
they
could
do
it
along
the
driveway
if
they
removed
some
trees
or
or
a
certain
amount
of
Vineyards
or
Vines
things
like
that.
A
Well,
would
they
be
able
to
like
shuttle
people
to
it
from
their
if
they
didn't
have
the
parking
I
mean
I,
I
think.
A
AN
F
Well,
it's
it
almost
sounds
like
it
question
a
question
of
law
whether
or
not
we
could
I
mean
I
would
tend
to
think.
Yes,
we
could
put
that
in
our
condition
of
approval,
even
though
we
don't
have
jurisdiction
on
the
road
because
that's
conditioned
to
them,
I
don't
know
I
just
feel
like
it
could
go
either
way.
It
feels
like
an
unsettled
question
in
my
mind,
but.
A
AB
A
I
would
I
think
that
would
be
an
idea.
In
fact,
there's
been
there's
been
a
suggestion
that
that
our
findings
were
inaccurate
and
that
I
think
it
would
be
wise
if
we
were
to
go
through
that
and
make
sure
that
our
findings
are
all
accurate
and
would
that
be
something
that.
AN
A
Think
we
should
look
yeah
I
think
we
should
look
into
that.
I
should
look.
We
should
look
into
the
on
the
end
to
the
exact
findings,
findings
to
make
sure
there's.
There's
Miss
Stone
said
that
that
we
were
not
accurate
and
I.
Think
it's
a
I,
don't
know
that.
A
But
we
need
to
find
that
out,
because
that
was
a
a
an
allegation
that
was
that
was
lodged,
and
so
we
need
to
find
out
make
sure
we
are
accurate
and-
and
we
can
check
into
the
parking
anything
else
we
need
to
check
in
check
on.
Q
A
C
Well,
after
we
re
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
say
review
a
variety
of
things
and
not
delineate
necessarily
that's.
C
A
I'd
accept
a
motion
to
table
for
time
certain,
and
then
we
can.
We
can
look
more
into
it.
Correct
the
peering
is
closed.
We're
not
going
to
take
additional
testimony
but
or
written
testimony,
but
only
for
the
board
to
look
into
it.
Well,.
F
First
of
all,
thanks
for
everybody
for
testing
testifying
and
staying
here
all
night,
it's
been
been
a
long
one.
So
we've
got
the
map
here.
That
shows
all
these
various
wineries
that
I've
had
a
hand
in
approving,
probably
most
of
these
to
some
level
or
another.
F
This
one,
you
know
I'm,
I,
gotta,
say
I'm
on
the
fence.
This
might
be
the
first
one
that
I
vote
against
I'm
honestly
still
kind
of
undecided.
At
this
point,
I
was
hoping-
maybe
in
some
of
the
discussion
we
might
suss
it
out
some
of
the
issues,
but
the
things
that
were
compelling
to
me
were
the
testimony
of
the
the
next
door.
F
Neighbor
I,
think
that
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
12
for
or
24
events
per
year,
if
that's
all
condensed
into
the
summer,
that
that
would
radically
kind
of
change
your
weekends
throughout
the
entire
summer.
If
they
have
that
many
events
and
I
I
suspect
they
will
because
I
don't
see
it
being
too
profitable
to
not
take
advantage
of
all
of
those
I
mean
they
have
every
right
to
make
a
profit.
My
concern
is
that
might
be
making
not
enough
profit
on
this.
F
This
doesn't
seem
like
a
big
money
maker
and
so
I'm
just
curious
why
they
would
even
want
to
go
on
this
route.
I
think
if
I,
if
I,
do
vote
to
approve
it,
I
would
want
to
have
a
conversation
on
the
total
number
of
events
and
as
well
as
the
hours
I
I,
have
concerns
about
the
hours
and
I
would
love
to
see
us.
F
Have
some
standards,
I
mean
I,
know
we're
trying
to
work
towards
that
and
I
appreciate
the
public,
offering
that
the
difficulty
in
these
situations
is
every
situation
is
a
little
different,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
have
unlimited
hours.
If
you
have
no
Neighbors,
but
it
all
comes
down
to
do
you
have
neighbors
how
close
they
are.
How
much
is
it
going
to
affect
their
quality
of
life
and
I?
Think
that's
the
difficulty
where
it's
hard
to
come
up
with
standards,
but
I
think
it's
worth
the
discussion.
F
I
I
would
also
look
for
a
discussion
on
whether
or
not
to
allow
Amplified
sound,
because
I
think
that
is
possibly
a
big
factor
that
contributes
to
lack
of
quality
of
life
for
Neighbors
I
I.
If,
if
I
do
vote
in
in
support
of
this
I'd,
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
allowing
the
parking
on
the
street.
In
my
mind,
that
would
I
think
alleviate
some
of
the
issues.
But
those
are
my
concerns.
I
I
do
find
a
well
there's.
F
A
lot
of
arguments
brought
up
that
I
didn't
find
persuasive,
but
there
are
some
that
I
I
do
find,
persuasive
and
I
do
hear
the
concerns
that
you
know
are
we
changing
the
character
of
the
neighborhoods
by
having
all
of
these
different
event
centers,
all
at
once,
if
they're
all
having
events
all
at
the
same
time,
I
can
see
how
that
that
would
be
very
changing
of
the
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood
I
mean
if
you
really
boil
this
down
to
we're
being
asked
to
approve
somebody
to
have
24
parties
in
their
yard
in
a
year
and
whatever
character
of
the
parties
you
could
I
can
see
how
that
would
be
distressing
to
the
neighbors,
whether
or
not
that
reaches
the
level
of
unreasonable
intrusion
on
other
property.
F
I.
Think
that's
for
you
know.
We
have
to
decide
that,
but
the
testimony
does
does
help
clarify
that
hearing
from
the
neighbors,
so
I
think
that's
what
I
got
to
say
for
now.
C
Well,
a
comment
on
the
apparently
the
back
to
what
commissioner
Davidson
was
saying:
I
agree
with
it
in
terms
of
the
the
hours,
but
when
you
look
at
it
seven
months
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
all
week,
I'll
be
on
weekends-
that's
seven
days
a
week
because
you
can
have
them
any
day
of
the
week.
So
that's
210
days,
so
you
take
24
events
in
210
days.
That's
not
a
concentrated
time
potentially,
and
then
they
don't
maybe
not
have
24
events
well.
A
C
And
then
what
the
neighbors
said,
she
even
indicated
that
she
has
Garden
parties
and
she
has
people
there
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
book
clubs,
weddings,
Garden
parties
that
neighborhood
because
of
its
nature,
I'm
sure,
has
any
number
of
events
like
that,
and
there
are
any
number
of
people
who
come
depending
on
what
the
event
is.
My
wife
has
a
book
club.
C
She
has
like
20
people
come
to
that
event
in
our
neighborhood
wedding
wedding,
same
thing:
wedding
receptions,
so
there
are
any
number
of
events
in
a
neighborhood
like
that:
I'm
sure
they
have
those
kinds
of
events
so
and
then
the
the
time
of
the
day,
as
we
all
know
summer
in
this
Valley
is-
and
it
starts
very
early
in
the
year
when
the
nights
are
very
long,
so
10
o'clock
at
night.
C
If
you
have
young
children
it's
time
to
it's
hard
to
get
them
to
bed
by
10
o'clock
at
night,
because
the
sun
is
still
up
and
they
say
it's
Sun
still
up
why?
Why
should
I
stay
I
get
to
stay
up
until
the
sun
goes
down
so
I?
Those
are
all
things
that
we
need
to
discuss,
I
guess
and
that's
that's.
Why
I,
like
the
point
that
you
made,
we
need
to
those
are
issues
that
were
raised.
We
need
to
address
them.
C
We
need
to
talk
about
them
and
I
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made.
We
need
to
have
we
need
to
have.
We
need
to
establish
some
procedures
here
too,
so
there's,
there's
continuity
and
and
some
understanding
of
these
kinds
of
things
well.
A
F
So
certainly
think
additional
deliberation
I
mean
that's
what
they're
paying
us
to
do.
I
think
it's
good,
because
I
do
want
to
hear
the
thoughts
of
my
other
Commissioners
on
some
of
these
points.
I
think
it'll
help
help
us
reach
a
good
decision.
A
A
Revised
findings,
if
I
need
and
some
more
information
and
then
if
we
need
to
extend
it,
then
we
can
do
that
too.
Q
P
Yeah
Mr
Mr
chairman
Commissioners,
three
weeks
from
yeah,
maybe
the
March
7th
OBM,
okay,.
F
All
right,
Mr,
chair
I,
will
move
to
table
application
number
202-201-404-a.
F
To
March
7th
OBM
for
for.