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A
Data
County
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting
and
it's
Thursday
December
15th
2020
me
too
welcome
everybody
here
and
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
that
this
is
a
a
public
forum,
we're
going
to
have
people
that
don't
don't
always
agree
and
we're
going
to
treat
everybody
respectfully
as
we
go
through
this
process,
because
that's
what
we
we're
we're
all
nice
people
and
we're
going
to
be
respectful
as
we
have
these
conversations
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
roll
call.
Brenda
Lipman
is
here,
commissioner
Birch.
B
A
Commissioner
retslaw
here
Mr
Exton
here
Mr
Wickstrom,
commissioner
Coulson
here,
commissioner
Scott
here.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
going
to
ask
the
Commissioners
for
a
motion.
We've
got
several
items
that
have
are
labeled
to
be
tabled.
I'm,
going
to
ask
for
a
motion
to
table
those
projects
in
in
bulk.
So
is
there
somebody
that's
ready
to
do
that?
Motion
Madam,
chair,
Mr,
Exton,.
C
A
You
very
much
is
there
a
second
Madam
chair,
commissioner
I'll?
Second,
it's
been
commissioner
retzlaff's
seconded
the
motion
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
for
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
say.
D
A
A
E
F
A
Commissioner
Coulson
seconded
the
motion:
is
there
any
discussion.
C
I'm
sure
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
based
off
of
the
room
and
the
products
in
front
of
us
I
believe
this
one
will
probably
have
the
most
discussion,
and
some
of
the
other
ones
might
not
have
as
much
so
I
think
it
would
be
in
the
Commission
in
everyone's
best
interest
to
save
that,
to
the
end
that
way,
people
who
are
here
for
the
potentially
the
faster
projects
thank.
A
You
in
and
out
is
there
any
other
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
aye
and
I'll
say
aye
any
opposed.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Let
the
records
reflect
that
the
agenda
has
been
reorganized.
A
Mr
Danielson
has
project
zero.
Two
two
zero,
two:
two
zero
two,
two
four
eight
Rodney
Evans
and
partners.
So
thank
you.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit.
H
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners
project
number
20220-2248
CU
is
a
conditional
use
for
a
commercial,
stable
and
running
Arena.
The
property
is
located
at
9901,
West,
kuna
Road
and
consists
of
10
acres
and
the
rural
residential
district.
This
property
was
recently
used
as
a
501
C3
non-profit
horse
rescue.
H
The
property
includes
a
barn
with
attached,
runs
dry
light
areas,
two
outdoor
Arenas
round
pen
and
a
few
outbuildings
sjr
horsemanship
LLC
recently
purchased
the
property
and
wants
to
use
the
property
to
expand
their
private
course.
Training
and
lesson
program.
They'll
aboard
horses
are
in
training
and
provide
lessons.
The
hours
of
operation
will
be
from
8
AM
to
8
pm.
The
future
land
use
map
designates
to
site
as
a
residential,
non-farm
subdivision,
which
lists
detached
single-family
homes
on
large
Lots
as
a
primary
use
and
farming
and
other
agricultural
uses
as
secondary
uses.
H
The
proposed
Stables
on
rang
arena
is
an
agriculturally
related
use
and
is,
in
conformance
with
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan.
The
application
is
also
in
compliance
with
a
County
zoning
ordinance,
as
the
proposed
stable
and
Ryan
arena
complies
with
the
findings
for
conditional
use
and
the
specific
use
standards
for
commercial,
stable
and
riding
arena.
H
None
of
the
neighboring
Property
Owners
provide
comments
on
this
application.
A
key
agency
comments
include
the
following:
the
a
county
building
official
replied
that
the
bullying
division
has
no
objection.
However,
the
applicant
should
be
aware:
building
permit
will
be
required
and
Commercial
occupancy
building
shall
comply
with
the
2018
Air
National
Building
Code
and
require
stamped
plans
from
Idaho
licensed
design.
Professional.
H
H
The
change
to
the
master
to
the
side
plane
is
the
addition
of
a
65
foot.
Diameter
detached
cover
for
the
horse.
Training
Arena,
as
this
proposed
structure,
would
simply
cover
a
use.
You
are
already
being
asked
to
approve
staff
feels
comfortable
amending
the
application
at
this
point
to
allow
the
change
that
the
PNC
commission
approves
the
project.
As
previously
noted,
there
is
no
opposition
from
the
public
regarding
this
project
and
the
proposed
structure
will
not
impact
any
of
the
comments
received
from
reviewing
agencies.
H
The
revised
site
plan
will
be
known,
as
exhibit
number
26..
The
app
can
has
also
submitted
some
additional
documents
regarding
the
detached
cover
exhibit
number
27
is
an
elevation.
Drawing
of
the
cover
exhibit
number
28
is
a
brochure
of
the
round.
Pen
cover
exhibit
29
is
installation
guide
for
the
round
pen
cover
the
finds
effect
have
been
updated
to
reflect
the
addition
of
the
cover
to
the
project.
H
A
A
I
Mr
chairman
Commissioners
Rodney
Evans,
1450,
West,
Bannock,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho,
83702
I'm,
here
representing
my
client
Shelby
and
Nate
Ketchum.
They,
as
Brent
mentioned,
they
run
a
private
training
and
boarding
facility
for
horses.
Unfortunately,
my
client
bought
this
property
in
July
of
this
year.
The
previous
owner
ran
a
non-profit
horse
rescue
but
essentially
did
the
same
thing.
She
does.
I
He
boarded
horses
and
the
county,
of
course,
along
with
all
the
other
agencies,
the
requirements
that
they
put
on
us
from
Central
District,
Health,
County,
engineer,
Cuna,
fire
district,
the
County
engineer
and
the
County
building
department.
We
are
willing
to
take
care
of
those
issues
in
the
next
couple
months
and
address
the
structural
and
code
analysis
of
all
the
buildings,
a
drainage
application
for
the
County
engineer
and
all
the
other
Central
District
Health
and
unifier
requirements
we
have
to
meet,
we
will
meet
you
know.
I
My
client
is
definitely
on
the
financial
downside
of
things,
but
we
are
going
to
take
care
of
this,
probably
within
two
to
three
months.
I
apologize
for
the
late
information
that
we
shared
with
staff
and
the
director,
but
we
appreciate
not
having
to
come
back
for
another
another
cup
or
a
cu
cup
modification
in
regards
to
that
new
covered
structure
that
we
added
to
the
writing
Arena.
So,
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions.
Thank.
C
I
We
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
as
required
and
we
had
probably
eight
to
twelve
Neighbors
show
up
and
they
really
didn't
have
any
concern
with
our
site.
There
were
some
other
issues
on
an
adjacent
site.
I
Well,
it's
not
adjacent,
it's
probably
to
the
southeast,
by
a
quarter
to
a
half
mile,
where
some
type
of
company
was
dumping,
manure
and
causing
some
smell
issues
along
with
an
increase
in
flies,
I'll
just
say
flies,
and
but
my
my
client's
been
doing
this
for
a
number
of
years
and
they
maintain
their
Stables
daily,
their
horses
of
course
daily,
and
it's
it's
definitely
not
an
issue.
Thank
you.
Any.
A
J
I
Right
just
a
little
bit
of
history
with
with
the
non-profit,
they
had
an
AG
exempt
status
so
for
the
the
barn
stable
Barn
that
was
built,
it
was
not
built
to
county
code,
or
at
least
they
didn't
really
care
about
that.
It
got
a
agricultural
exempt
zoning
certificate,
which
in
turn
is
just
you
know
it's
for
agricultural
use.
My
client
will
keep
a
portion
of
this
property
AG
exempt
because
she
will
graze
horses
and
her
own
cattle
on
the
south
part
of
the
property.
I
A
No
questions
from
Mr
Danielson
any
the
applicant
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
any
final
statements:
you're,
fine,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
session
for
this
for
this
project,
any
an
opportunity
for
the
Commissioners
to
provide
a
motion.
Is
there
anybody
that's
ready
for
a
motion.
J
J
Chair
I
moved
based
on
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
all
law
contained
here.
In
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing,
the
commission
approved
project
number
2022-02248
CU,
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
attached
to
the
exhibit
a
and
site
plan,
drawing
dated
October
4th
to
2022.
J
Well,
it's
pretty
much.
What's
it's
something!
That's
been
there
for
a
long
time.
In
fact,
it's
going
to
be
improved
with
to
bring
it
up
to
code,
there's!
No!
It's
it's
far
enough
out
there
to
where
it's,
not
a
problem,
and
the
neighbors
seem
to
not
mind
at
all,
and
the
owner
seems
to
be
willing
to
address
any
concerns
that
are
out
there
and
to
make
the
the
improvements
that
are
that
are
being
asked
of
him.
A
In
favor
of
this
motion,
I'll
say
I
any
opposed,
and
so
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
Commissioners
voted
for
this
project
to
approve
this
project.
So
thank
you
very
much.
The
next
project
is.
L
All
right
project-
202202586
s,
Dash
PR,
etchison
subdivision-
is
a
preliminary
plot
application
for
three
buildable
lots
and
a
private
road.
The
site
is
located
at
5340
South
black
cat
Road
and
consists
of
approximately
21.8
Acres
within
the
rural
urban
transition.
District
The
Proposal
includes
three
lots:
all
greater
than
five
acres
in
size,
with
Frontage
on
a
public
or
private
road
of
at
least
250
feet.
Meeting
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
rut
District.
L
There
is
an
existing
single-family
dwelling
and
accessory
structure
located
on
the
site
that
will
remain
on
lot.
3..
The
private
road
will
originate
alongside
the
black
hat
road,
which
shall
be
approved
by
the
Ada
County
Highway
District.
The
road
shall
have
a
50-foot
wide
easement
and
20
foot,
20
foot
wide
paved
or
gravel
travel
way.
The
use
of
the
existing
turnaround
shall
be
approved
by
the
Meridian
fire
district
Lot
1
will
take
access
from
South
black
cat
and
the
other
two
lots
will
utilize.
L
The
private
road
agency
comments
that
were
received
for
this
application
include
the
city
of
kuna,
who
said
they
had
no
objections
to
the
proposal.
Central
District
Health,
who
is
requiring
groundwater
water
monitoring,
along
with
a
land,
use
development
application
with
their
office.
Nampa
and
Meridian
Irrigation
District
noted
that
all
easements
for
them
for
their
facilities
must
be
protected
and
any
encroachment
without
an
approved
plan
is
unacceptable.
The
Ada,
County
Highway
District
has
not
yet
provided
comments
on
this
application.
L
A
M
So
a
little
background
on
this
property
is
I,
purchased
the
property
originally
as
21.8
acres
and
then
remodeled
the
existing
home
and
tore
down
the
barn.
That
was
on
the
other
lot.
My
original
intention
was
to
lease
out
or
rent
the
farm
ground
and
after
talking
to
the
farming
neighbors,
there
they've
all
said
that
they've
actually
tried
to
farm
that
ground
for
several
years
and
we're
on
a
hill
with
a
lot
of
lava
and
and
then
we
also
share
an
easement
with
the
canal
company
which
splits
the
property
up.
M
As
you
could
see
on
the
overhead,
so
we
thought
splitting
it
into
smaller
buildable
Parcels
people
could
do
pasture
Parcels
for
horses
or
cattle
and
the
driveway
situation
right
now.
We
currently
share
a
driveway
with
Nampa
Meridian,
irrigation
canal
company,
I
rebuilt
the
bridge
and
that's
their
access
to
the
check
boxes,
which
is
on
the
North
piece
of
my
property.
M
So
I
maintain
the
road
currently
the
driveway.
That's
there
I
built
a
new
bridge
for
them
when
I
first
moved
there,
and
then
we
decided.
If
we
come
out
of
their
easement,
build
a
new
bridge,
then
I
can
pave
up
to
the
home.
That's
there.
Now
we've
already
got
approval
from
the
Nampa
Meridian
Irrigation
District
for
the
bridge.
They
said
Paving
it
or
gravel,
no
problem,
they
won't
have
access
to
it.
M
The
turnaround
area
right
now
at
the
existing
home
was
already
looked
at
when
we
built
the
Bridge.
Originally
we
repaired
the
put
a
new
concrete
bridge
in
when
I
first
bought
the
property
Meridian
fire
department
looked
at
the
turnaround
we
have.
We
have
a
20-foot,
wide,
gravel
driveway
that
goes
clear
around
the
property,
so
I
think
that's
pretty
much.
It.
N
O
A
P
C
A
There's
been,
is,
there
is
the
second
by
commissioner
Wickstrom.
So
is
there
any
go
ahead
and
give
us
your
your
ideas
or
why
you
did
the
emotion,
yeah.
C
I
mean
I.
Think
again,
this
is
a
simple,
pretty
straightforward
subdivision
that
we've
seen
before
you
know
and
I
do
appreciate
the
the
willingness
and
the
throwness
of
the
applicant,
for
you
know,
working
with
the
different
entities.
You
know
the
Nampa
Meridian
Irrigation
District
and
all
the
improvements
and
stuff
so
I
think
you
know
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
one.
Thank.
D
A
Aye
any
opposed,
so
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
Commissioners
voted
in
approval
for
this
motion.
Our
next
project
is
202202449
and
Miss.
Brending
is
going
to
give
us
this
project
Oh
and
before
we
start
I'll
I
need
to
disclose
that
I
live
in
Kuna
and
I
used
to
have
a
CPA
practice
and
I
had
500
clients
and
missed.
L
Madam
chair
commissioners,
before
I
dive
into
this
a
couple
housekeeping
items
for
this
application.
In
your
draft
findings
that
were
provided
to
you,
the
wrong
applicant
was
listed.
It
was
listed
as
muscle
construction,
who
was
the
previous
applicant,
and
this
is
to
engineers
and
then
as
well.
I
have
an
additional
exhibit
from
the
city
of
Meridian.
It's
a
response
to
the
additional
exhibits
that
were
provided
to
you
in
the
late
exhibits,
it'll
be
exhibit
28
and
I'll.
Have
this
to
you
now.
L
L
L
The
mixed-use
neighborhood
land
use
purpose
is
that
neighborhoods
serving
uses
and
dwellings
are
seamlessly
integrated
into
the
urban
fabric
and
to
avoid
predominantly
single-use
developments
by
incorporating
a
variety
of
land
uses
and
that
land
uses
should
be
primarily
residential
with
supporting
non-residential
services.
Some
considerations
for
development
in
this
these
areas
is
that
residential
uses
should
comprise
a
minimum
of
40
percent
of
the
development
area.
Non-Residential
buildings
should
be
proportional
to
and
blend
in
with
residential
buildings,
and
three
specific
Design
Elements
should
be
incorporated,
including
Street
connectivity,
open
space
and
pathways.
L
The
Proposal
consists
of
eight
fuel
pumps
and
an
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
nine
square
foot
convenience
store.
The
parking
plan
is
to
include
26
total
parking
spaces,
24
standard
stalls
and
280a
accessible
stalls.
The
applicant
has
submitted
a
landscape
plan
with
Landscaping
proposed
along
the
perimeter
of
the
site,
including
the
main
artery
arterial
roads
and
within
the
parking
area.
L
The
northern
act.
There
are
three
access
points
proposed,
one
along
Amity
and
two
along
10
Mile,
the
northern
access
point
on
10,
Mile
and
The
Amity
access
point
are
both
proposed
to
be
right
in
right
out,
while
the
southern
access
point
on
10
Mile
is
proposed
to
be
full
access.
All
of
this
will
need
to
be
approved
by
the
Ada
County
Highway
District,
sewer
and
water
services
are
not
currently
available
to
the
site.
Ada
County
has
allowed
new
commercial
and
Industrial
Development
within
areas
of
City
Impact
to
occur
on
septic
systems.
L
Other
agency
comments
that
were
submitted
for
the
application.
The
city
of
Meridian
provided
comment
that
the
project
can
be
serviced
by
the
Meridian
fire
department,
but
it
is
outside
of
their
current
response
times
and
it
would
be
best
served
at
a
time
when
City,
Water
and
Sewer
are
available.
Central
District
Health
stated
that
the
applicant
is
working
through
a
nutrient
pathogen
study
in
a
decision
on
approval
or
disapproval
of
septic
permits
cannot
be
made
until
that
process
is
complete.
L
L
Staff.
Concludes
that
this
application
does
not
comply
with
the
Meridian
comprehensive
plan,
as
adopted
by
Ada
County
and
with
Ada
County
code
requirements
for
urban
public
facilities.
Staff
recommends
denial
of
the
zoning
ordinance
map,
Amendment,
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank.
A
L
D
Ms
branding
correct
me
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
there
were
no
other
objections
to
this,
even
though
it's
in
a
relatively
residential
area,
there's
no
businesses
around
it.
So
none
of
the
homeowners
objected
to
it.
The
sole
objection
was
from
the
city
of
Meridian
and
and
then
the
applicant
submitted
the
late
exhibits
that
showed
the
additional
buildings
that
were
an
attempt
to
respond
to
the
initial
objections
of
the
city
of
Meridian,
and
then
this
letter
that
we
received
basically
says
not
good
enough.
Is
that
basically
an
accurate
summary?
L
Madam
chair
commissioner
Burch.
There
were
no
agency
objections
outside
of
the
city
of
Meridian,
the
city
of
Meridian,
provided
their
comments
about
their
comprehensive
plan
and
Services.
Staff's
review
of
the
application
itself
also
determined
that
it
did
not
comply
with
the
Meridian
comprehensive
plan.
As
we
do
use
that
in
our
review
and.
Q
I'm
sure
go
ahead.
Is
there?
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
gain
further
information,
because
I
feel
like
from
a
safety
perspective?
Having
achg's
comments
is
a
critical
Factor
here,
you're
talking
about
right
and
write
outs
on
a
on
a
roundabout
and
also
at
the
end
of
one
of
these
sections
of
the
roundabout
having
two-way
traffic.
So
not
having
achd
comments
is
kind
of
a
big
gap
in
our
visibility
of
whether
this
is
going
to
be
safe
enough
for
two
arterial
lanes
that
are
crossing
that
eventually
will
be
probably
developed
into
neighborhood.
L
J
Miss
Brandy
the
I'm
glad
the
slides
you
had
that
showed
the
how
the
adjacent
site
was
going
to
be
developed.
I'm
glad
you
put
that
on
there,
because
it's
hard
to
see
it
on
ours
on
our
copy,
so
showing
this
slide
was
just
an
attempt
to
show
that
there's
going
to
be
a
mixed
use
in
that
area
for
that
in
adjacent
area,
adjacent
sites,
Madam.
L
Chair,
commissioner,
Wickstrom
that's
correct,
so
this
is
a
larger
site
plan
for
this
site
in
the
adjacent
parcel.
The
applicant
had
met
with
the
city
of
Meridian
to
discuss
this,
and
then
the
city
Meridian
had
provided
a
letter
that
was
in
your
additional
exhibits
from
2021
talking
about
how
this
can
comply
with
the
mixed-use
neighborhood,
and
so
it's
just
a
general
plan
for
the
larger
area.
J
Go
ahead
so
the
same
applicant
owns
the
the
adjacent
owns
both
of
these
sites.
J
A
I'm
kind
of
wondering
about
the
timing
of
things
so
when,
when
the
name
one
question
I
have
is
how
many
neighbors
were
notified
and
I
think
it's
about,
and
if
you
can
come
back
and
tell
us
or
if
you
know
that
now
and
then
when
they
were
notified,
were
they
notified
about
this
big,
bigger
development
or
just
about
the
little
additional
use?
Permit
that
we're
talking
about
now
or
you
know,
the
zoning
change.
L
Madam,
chair,
Commissioners
I
can
look
really
quick.
The
the
radius
of
the
notice
was
only
300
feet
and
so
there's
fairly
large
Parcels
here.
So
it's
not
a
large
number
of
property
owners
that
were
notified
you
this.
This
application
is
still
just
for
this
parcel
and
just
for
the
gas
station
right
you're,
not
making
a
decision
on
the
larger
plan
and
when
the
radius
was
sent.
It
was
that
plan
had
not
been
included
in
the
exhibits.
L
Q
L
Yeah
Madam
chair
commissioner
Scott.
If
you
look
at
the
city
of
meridian's
initial
comments,
they
do
talk
about
the
services
a
little
bit.
One
of
the
main
things
is
that
development
drives
the
expansion
of
services,
and
so
they
explained
that
this
was
essentially
hopscotching
or
that
process.
L
Madam
chair
commissioner
Scott
I
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
city
of
Meridian
in
in
their
thought
process.
On
those
comments,
one
thing
to
note
again
is
that
Ada
County
does
allow
commercial
development
to
occur
with
septic
when
it
is
supported
by
the
cities,
and
in
this
case
it
was
not.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions,
I
think
I.
Think
we've
got
some
questions
for
the
applicant
I
think
so
the
applicant
gets
to
come
forward.
Is
it
to
Engineers,
Daniel,
Sterling,
I'm,
sorry,
Danielle,
probably.
R
My
name
is
Becky
isagary.
My
address
is
2471
South,
titanium,
Place,
Meridian,
Idaho
83642.
R
And
all
right
so
I'm
excited
to
present
to
you.
This
project
called
Legacy,
Feed
and
Fuel
Community
corner
store
and
fuel
station
go
to
the
next
thing.
R
Tonight
we
request
approval
to
rezone
the
6.31
acre
parcel
from
rut
to
C1
neighborhood
community
commercial
Zone.
The
purpose
of
the
C1
district
is
to
establish
commercial
areas
near
residential
areas
that
provide
limited
merchandise
and
services
required
by
the
population
primarily
living
within
the
immediate
area.
R
The
corner
store
faces
both
10
Mile
and
Amity,
and
will
offer
Beverages
and
centuries
as
and
that
most
nearby
residents
and
local
workers
will
need
on
a
regular
basis.
R
The
application
presented
tonight
is
only
for
the
six
acre
parcel
supporting
the
corner,
store
and
fuel
station,
but
I
wanted
to
show
you
our
future
plans
for
the
rest
of
the
site.
In
addition,
we
will
propose
an
ecosystem
of
thriving
Enterprises
that
illustrates
a
mix
of
community
place-based
uses.
We
intend
to
incorporate
a
mix
of
neighborhood
serving
uses
such
as
retail,
commercial,
neighborhood,
commercial
and
a
neighborhood
commercial
Greenhouse,
where
neighbors
can
buy
all
their
plants
and
vegetables
each
year.
R
Next
slide,
this
project
fully
meets
requirements
as
foot
forth
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
City
of
meridians
future
land
use
map,
as
adopted
by
Ada
County.
It
designates
the
site
as
a
mixed-use,
neighborhood
and
and
and
it
and
as
you
can
see,
excuse
me
the
subject.
Property
is
currently
located
in
Ada
County
and
a
part
of
the
city
of
meridian's
area
of
impact.
R
But,
as
you
can
see,
the
property
is
miles
from
Meridian,
City,
Limits
and
annexation
will
not
be
possible
for
many
years,
which
is
why
we're
only
proposing
the
corner
store
in
the
fuel
station
for
now.
Currently,
the
site
is
in
a
rural
area
with
a
limited
number
of
urban
type
densities,
which
is
why
we
propose
to
construct
the
corner,
store
and
fuel
station.
R
Only
once
development
reaches
this
area
and
City
Water
and
Sewer
becomes
available
is
when
we
will
construct
the
rest
of
the
proposed
plan
once
constructed
the
well
and
septic
will
be
abandoned
per
DEQ
standards
excited
the
corner,
store
will
front
both
10
Mile
and
Amity,
increasing
accessibility
and
pedestrian
safety.
The
architect
designed
the
building
to
let
in
as
much
natural
light
as
possible.
The
color
palette
has
been
selected
to
blend
in
with
the
surrounding
area.
The
building
design
promotes
articulation
and
visual
interest
via
canopies
and
multiple
Building
Material
types.
R
The
mechanical
units
will
be
mounted
on
the
roofs
and
connected
and
concealed
from
view
by
the
step
and
the
buildings
and
the
slope
of
the
roof
looks
like
this
slide
illustrates
the
North
and
South
elevations.
R
And
then,
here
in
the
West
and
East
elevations,
the
delivery
trucks
will
have
exclusive
access
to
the
east
side
of
the
store.
Okay
next
slide,
the
fueling
Islands
are
located
on
the
west
side
of
the
site
and
will
offer
automobile
gasoline
and
diesel
for
a
traditional
passenger
vehicles.
R
R
The
corner
still
will
have
a
footprint
of
8
000
149
square
feet.
The
expected
operating
hours
for
the
proposed
gas
pumps
are
24
hours
a
day.
Seven
days
a
week.
The
corner
store
hours
are
expected
to
be
Monday,
Tuesday,
Wednesday
and
Thursday,
from
8
to
5
or
8
from
5
a.m,
to
9pm
and
then
Friday
on
Saturday
from
5am
to
10
p.m,
and
then
close
on
Sunday
next
slide.
R
So,
as
you
can
see
on
this
map,
the
city
of
Meridian,
sewer
and
water
over
a
mile
away
in
order
to
provide
the
city
in
order
to
provide
city
of
Meridian
sewer
to
the
site
over
0.73
miles
of
gravity,
sewer
main
would
need
to
be
installed
along
the
route,
along
with
a
regional
sewer,
lift
station
and
pressure
sewer
main.
This
information
was
provided
by
the
city
of
Meridian
engineer.
R
The
Landscaping
plan
depicts
a
mixture
of
trees
and
shrubs
that
meet
Ada
County
code
requirements,
but
we'll
have
a
look
and
feel
of
a
development
that
blends
in
with
the
city
of
Meridian
county
code
requires
a
10-foot,
wide
landscape,
buffer
butting
all
collector
roads
in
a
commercial
industrial
district.
We
have
an
elevated
look
and
feel
by
widening
all
of
the
landscape.
Buffers
from
10
to
25
feet
wide.
R
The
proposed
landscape
buffers
will
consist
of
required
grass
and
trees
and
shrubs,
which
will
screen
the
roadways
and
reduce
headlight
spills
and
soften
the
edges
of
Parkway
parking
areas.
The
proposed
tree
planting
will
be
concentrated
along
the
adjacent
roadways,
adding
the
pub
and
adding
to
public
benefit.
The
plantings
will
be
irrigated
with
water
from
the
proposed.
Well,
next
slide.
R
R
We
showed
them
the
proposed
overall
layout
that
everyone
approved
a
year
ago
or
more
than
a
year
ago,
from
that
meeting,
the
city
requested
greater
pedestrian
connectivity
and
enhanced
landscape
plan
and
a
patio
area
we
did
as
we
asked,
and
we
still
received
a
negative
response
from
the
city.
R
We
are
very
willing
to
work
with
both
agencies
to
get
to
get
this
project
approved.
We
feel
like
there
is
a
need
for
a
fuel
station
in
this
area.
R
We
request
that
you
approve
this
application
with
the
conditions
that
are
included
in
your
staff
report.
These
conditions
include
complying
with
the
development
plan,
as
was
shown
tonight
to
city
services
when
they
become
available,
comply
with
the
city
of
meridian's
fire
department
and
achd
standards
and
generally
comply
with
the
city
of
meridian's
comprehensive
plan.
D
J
J
That
would
be
the
first
question,
but
is
that
ever
gonna?
Is
that
going
to
be
part
of
your
possible
planning,
the
others
when,
when
whence
water
sewer
does
get
out
there
and
that
septic
field
is
removed?
What
would
be
your
plans
for
that
that
extra
land
now
yeah.
R
We
we
don't
have
residential
uses
slated.
That
is
just
a
concept
plan.
We
can
always
amend
that
to
include
those
uses.
R
That
was
just
a
proposed
plan
that
we
had
signed,
both
the
city
and
the
county
and
as
far
as
the
septic,
that
would
be
just
another
redesign
that
we
could
incorporate.
Maybe
some
multi-family
or
or
single
family
patio
homes
or
something
along
those
lines.
Q
R
Yeah
I'm
gonna
bring
up
our
engineer.
He
has
kind
of
been
in
communication
with
the
owner
about
about
the
site
selection,
so
I'll
bring
up
Dave
Sterling
and
he
can
chat
more
about
that.
S
Thank
you.
Oh
there
you
go
so
on
our
South
is
kuna.
Cuna
has
residential
development
approved
and
and
actually
a
subdivision,
all
reinstalled
less
than
a
core
of
a
mile
to
our
South,
and
so
Cuna
has
grown
very
close
to
our
site.
S
S
But
we
can't
Annex
into
kuna
and
do
this
project,
and
so
really
the
demand
for
these
services
are
coming
from
our
South,
not
from
our
North,
and
there
are
subdivisions
right
there
less
than
a
quarter
of
a
mile
away,
and
so
that's
part
of
what's
driving
this
project
and
that
demand
real
quickly.
I
heard
some
other
questions
earlier
and
I
think
I
can
address
some
of
them.
S
One
of
them
was
about
achd,
achg
hasn't
done
a
staff
report
yet,
but
they
did
Issue
an
email,
I
believe
earlier
today
to
the
county
that
got
forwarded
to
us,
seeing
that
they
had
an
initial
review
and
that
the
only
comment
they
had
so
far
and
they
may
have
others-
was
that
the
right
and
ride
out
on
Amity.
We
were
proposing
to
widen
that
approach
just
for
truck
turning
movements
and
they
said
that
they
wouldn't
want
that
to
be
widened,
which
would
be
fine
with
us.
S
We
have
the
other
full
access
proposed
on
10
Mile.
That
would
work
for
us.
The
applicant
did
work
with
achd
when
they
put
in
the
roundabout
and
those
write-in
Rideout
approaches
at
the
corner
are
already
installed,
so
we're
just
using
existing
approaches
that
Accra
put
in
meridians.
S
You
know
we
had
their
mean
last
week
with
Meridian,
we
made
the
the
changes
based
off
of
their
comments
with
adding
some
outside
seating
areas
and
and
making
improvements
to
The
Pedestrian
access
their
newest
letter
letter
that
they
issued
their
main
objection
was
that
we
weren't
connecting
to
City.
You
know
water
and
sewer,
and
that's
just
because
it's
too
far
away
in
the
meaning
we
had
with
them
the
city
engineer
was
there.
S
We
asked
the
city
engineer
and
so
did
the
city
planner.
If
anybody
else
had
looked
at
extending
those
utilities
and
he
said
that
a
few
had
looked
at
it,
but
where
that
lift
station
goes
in,
isn't
continue
with
the
city.
A
You
know
I
think
I'm
going
to
pause
just
for
a
second
and
what
questions
are
you
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
T
N
A
So
what
are
the
questions?
Do
we
have
for
the
applicant
go
ahead.
D
D
Yeah
I
think
I
can
tell
North
would
be
the
Chevron
station,
that's
at
Franklin
and
Ten
Mile
and
there's
a
proposed
Jackson's
that
would
be
at
Overland
and
10
Mile
West.
You
go
all
the
way
to
Happy
Valley
in
Amity
South.
There
is
a
Chevron
station,
just
north
of
downtown
kuna
and
then
East
Victory
and
Meridian
Road.
Does
that
sound
about
right,
yeah.
S
The
the
applicant
is
anticipating
between
400
and
600
visitors
per
day
when
he
first
opens
it
and
then
once
stuff
develops
around
him,
that
being
800
to
a
thousand
I
believe
that
was
in
that
application.
But
I
don't
have
a
study
for
you,
but
they
have
certainly
done
their
research
in
order
to
invest
this
money
in
the
project.
Okay,.
A
S
Like
I
said,
ACC
provide
the
initial
email
today,
ACC
has
been
slow
on
many
applications,
and
so
certainly
before
we
went
to
the
commission
that
information
would
be
available
for
them
to
help
make
their
decision.
Okay,.
S
Real
quick
I
had
it
written
down
that
you
had
asked
about
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
I
held
the
neighborhood
meeting,
and
we
had
sent
out
the
notices
to
to
everybody
within
that
distance
and
I
want
to
say
it
was
within
the
four
the
40
acres,
not
the
not
the
piece
of
it.
We
did
Focus
only
on
the
the
c-store,
because
that's
what
this
application
is.
S
Many
of
the
neighbors
talked
about
the
roundabout
because
it
had
just
gone
in,
but
some
of
the
neighbors
did
say
how
it
would
be
nice
to
have
something
closer
for
them
to
go.
Get
gas
and
most
of
the
neighbors
again
were
to
our
South
and
to
our
West.
That
came
to
the
meeting.
A
Do
you
remember
how
many
were
people
were
on
that
list?
I.
S
S
A
U
A
V
That's
good
good
evening,
Madam,
chair
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Deputy
Chief
job
on
Journal
I.
Am
the
fire
marshal
for
the
city
of
Meridian
I'm,
not
representing
the
city
I'm
representing
the
fire
department?
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
come
up
and
and
talk
to
you
about
my
report
and
basically
can
I
support
it.
Yeah
I
can
support
it.
The
it's
kind
of
like
the
the
baseball
field
scenario:
you
build
the
baseball
field
and
people
will
come
if,
if
you
build
this
gas
station,
develop
the
corner
whatever
we
will
be
there.
V
V
Our
closest
fire
station
is
station
number
six
at
this
point
and
that's
the
travel
time
right
now.
That's
just
from
the
time
the
break
is
unset
to
the
time
it
is
set.
It's
roughly
six
minutes.
Now
you
throw
the
call
I'm
calling
9-1-1
you
get
it
through
dispatch
dispatch
calls
the
fire
station.
The
fire
station
puts
their
turnouts
on
then
they
get
in
the
vehicle
and
then
they
travel
to
the
scene.
That's
a
whole
other
story,
so
you
know
we're
gonna.
It's
gonna
be
a
ways
out
there.
V
As
we
know,
if
there's
a
structure
fire,
it's
three
one
and
one
you
need
three
engines,
a
ladder
truck
and
a
battalion
chief
station.
Six
is
the
closest
station
they're
six
minutes
out
station
Seven,
which
is
the
one
that's
being
built
by
the
regional
park,
will
be
the
next
closest
station
and
they're
about
seven
minutes
out.
V
There
will
be
another
minute
because
it's
basically
another
mile
out
there
and
then
the
ladder
truck
is
at
station,
one
which
is
roughly
10
minutes
away,
and
then
you
also
have
cuno,
which
would
would
be
dispatched
at
the
same
time.
They're
also
10
minutes
away.
So
the
response
is
not
going
to
be
complete.
It's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
very
long
response
for
our
apparatus
to
get
there
to
successfully
put
out
any
type
of
a
fire.
My
second
concern
with
the
project
is
just
water.
V
As
you
know,
I
I
rarely
come
and
visit
with
you
guys,
because
everything's
usually
pretty
great
it
just
so
happens.
The
two
projects
that
I've
come
to
talk
to
you
about
is
because
of
water.
Well,
water
is
not
ideal.
V
Basically,
because
I
need
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute
to
successfully
fight
a
fire,
and
so
a
thousand
gallon
a
minute
pumps
are
very
expensive.
I
I
have
not
priced
one
I've,
just
been
told,
they're
very
expensive.
So
not
only
do
we
need
a
very
large
pump
on
that
well,
but
it
also
hasn't
has
to
have
an
emergency
backup.
V
So
that
way,
if
power
goes
out,
we
still
have
water
to
be
able
to
successfully
fight
a
fire.
So
for
us
and
and
what
I
stated
in
my
report
now:
I
I,
guess
I,
maybe
I
talked
to
the
wrong
engineer.
I
talked
to
Kyle
radick
and
he
told
me
basically
there's
water
a
mile
in
each
Direction,
so
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
we
had
Municipal
Water,
which
would
be
continuous,
we
would
call
it
a
continuous
water
supply
at
the
scene
before
it
got
built.
Those
are
my
concerns
with
this
project.
D
V
Madam,
chair
and
commissioner
Birch
that
that
helps
it
helps
a
ton,
but
we
still
have
to
have
that
water
for
fighting
the
fire.
So
typically,
you
know
I'm
going
to
take
a
stab.
Let's
say
the
the
water
requirement
is
1500
gallons
a
minute
for
the
building
you
know
for
just
to
for
a
non-spricular
building.
Once
you
put
fire
sprinklers
in
it
which
I
recommended
they,
they
fire
sprinkler
everything
because
of
our
extended
response
times.
V
So
that
way
it
will
at
least
help
keep
the
fire
in
check
until
we
can
get
there,
and
so
the
fire
sprinklers
would
knock
the
gallons
required
down.
I
think
it's
either
50
or
75
percent
less
with
that.
But
then,
on
top
of
that,
we
still
have
to
have
that
thousand
gallons
a
minute
to
be
able
to
fight
a
fire.
On
top
of
you
know
to
finish
putting
the
fire
out
how's,
that
yeah
or
if
we
had
a
diesel
truck
outside
on
fire
or
something
where
the
sprinklers
aren't
there.
Q
Do
any
and
I
know
you
just
represent
Meridian,
but
do
any
of
do
you
account
for
any
of
the
response
potentially
coming
out
of
Cuna
Nampa,
because
they're
I
know
station
six
and
the
one
they're
building
off
like
hazel
are
the
closest,
but
then
it
comes
down
to
like
next
closest
would
come
out.
It
looks
like
Cuna
I.
V
Yeah
Madam
chair
commissioner
Scott,
yes
and
unfortunately,
I
had
the
piece
of
paper
with
all
the
times
written
down
on
it
and
I
left
it
in
the
car.
V
But
if
I
remember,
right,
Cuna
I
believe
was
the
third
closest
at
10
minutes
away
and
then
our
station
one
and
then
station
two
obviously
station
two
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
interstate
down
10
miles.
It's
just
a
straight
shot,
because
again
we
got
to
get
that
three
one
and
one
three
three
engines
One
ladder
truck
and
the
battalion
chief.
V
V
Q
Is
the
assessment
based
on
just
the
size
of
the
building?
Is
that
how
that
works?
Is
it
you're
just
looking
at
if
it's
a
catastrophic
fire
it's?
This
is
what
we
need
to
be
there,
because
we
there's
other
smaller
businesses.
I
mean
the
Greenfield
meets.
Is
there
so
they
have
the
same
response
problems
I'm
just
wondering
if
their
operation
is
less
concerning
relative
to
this
one,
based
on
just
what
your
thoughts
are
like,
obviously,
the
Greenfield
meets
was
approved.
I,
don't
know
when
a
long
time
ago,
probably
or.
V
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
again
we'll
we'll
we
we
are.
We
have
the
obligation
to
respond
to
it
to
everything
and
again
it's
just
no
matter
what
it,
what
it's
going
to
look
like
Greenfield's
as
it
sits
right
now.
It's
not
sprinkler,
it's
not
a
sprinkler
building.
So
you
know,
tactics
are
may
be
different
and
what
what
we
need
may
be
different
as
well,
the
that's
just
the
initial
response
to
a
structure
fire
if
it's
an
actually
working
fire.
V
V
So
again,
my
my
goal
is:
is
the
the
safety
of
the
people
that
are
frequenting
these
establishments
and
the
safety
by
firefighters
as
well,
because,
obviously
I
don't
want
them
showing
up
to
a
huge
fire
without
water,
because
that's
obviously
what
we
need
to
do
our
job
the
best.
Otherwise,
we
just
have
to
sit
and
watch
it
burn
down
and
that's
that's
not
any
fun.
P
Isn't
there
a
concern
for
you
in
regards
to
the
difference
in
the
businesses,
maybe
one's
more
flammable
than
the
other
one?
Can
you
kind
of
expound
on
that
for
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
as
far
as
responding
to
that
and
why
it
would
be
more
dangerous.
V
Well
sorry,
madam
chair,
commissioner
ratsloff,
that's
almost
as
bad
as
bonjourno,
yes,
it
I
mean.
Obviously
we
we
look
at
as
my
fire
inspectors.
You
know
we
go
out
and
we
look
at
all
the
businesses
in
our
district
and
and
then
we
try
and
send
the
the
units
that
are
first
due
in
that
area
to
to
look
at
these
businesses.
So
that
way
they
know
what's
in
them,
because
obviously
we
have
higher
risk
buildings.
You
know
our
senior
retirement
homes.
V
Obviously
we
have
a
lot
of
invalid
people
that
are
that
are
in
these
homes,
and
so
our
response
is
going
to
look
different
to
something
like
that
than
it
would
to
Greenfield
meets
because
it's
like
really
I
mean
what
do
you?
What
are
we
looking
at
there?
What
we
have
there
is
just
the
structure,
and
you
know
maybe
some
some
barbecue,
but
you
know
at
a
gas
station
again
we're
looking
at
all
the
consumables
in
the
in
the
building
that
are
going
to
be
burning.
V
What
are
the
hazards
there?
We
have
the
the
gas
pumps,
we
have
gas
trucks,
we
have
trucks
Vehicles
whatever.
So
again,
our
response
is
the
same.
They
get
the
three
one
and
one,
no
matter
what
and
then,
if
it's
known
to
be
a
true
working
fire,
then
we
get
that
double
the
response,
because
it
takes
a
lot
of
manpower
to
put
a
fire
out.
A
J
V
A
N
W
Ray
Dupree
1759
West
silvercrest
Drive
in
Boise
I,
represent
the
two
homeowners
across
on
the
southwest
corner
of
10,
Mile
anonymity,
the
Ronnie
netmore
and
Mike,
and
Linda
Sanders
both
of
those
properties
that
Encompass
13
acres
are
on
the
market
right
now,
as
possible
multi-use
commercial.
W
Just
as
a
point
of
that,
I
might
mention
to
you
the
two
acres
that
in
both
these
properties
by
the
way
front
on
10,
Mile,
anonymity,
Ron
and
net
Moore
built
a
home
at
the
on
the
hard
corner
of
many
many
years
ago
about
20
years
ago,
and
just
as
a
personal
thing,
Braun
and
both
Ron
and
Annette,
and
the
Sanders
are
personal
friend
of
mine,
particularly
Ron
internet,
more
one
graduated
from
Texas
A
M
in
1965,
and
he
was
in
the
corps
of
cadets
there
for
five
years
four
years
and
as
a
second
Lieutenant
right
after
he
graduated,
he
was
sent
to
the
Ho
Chi
Minh
trail
as
the
cycling
Lieutenant,
with
the
first
calf,
his
very
first
night
in
country
before
he
was
even
issued
a
weapon,
the
VC
for
you,
people,
that's
the
Vietcong,
got
to
the
fence
right
outside
of
his
tent.
W
W
They
have
several
sheep
there
as
kind
of
a
calming
thing
for
he
and
his
wife,
particularly
him.
So
as
I
mentioned,
both
these
properties,
the
2.2
Acres
hard
corner
and
in
the
adjoining
10.7,
both
those
on
the
market
is
a
possible
multi-use
commercial
I'm.
Here
to
recommend
that
you
approve
the
corner
across
on
the
10
on
the
south
east
corner.
W
As
far
as
our
gentleman
firefighter,
my
knowledge
is
limited,
but
I
think
that
for
a
fuel,
fire
chemical
is
better
than
water
for
extinguishing
a
fuel
fire.
A
A
L
It
is
it's
a
small
number
of
property
owners,
especially
because
the
same
owner
owns
the
parcel
to
the
to
the
East
and
the
South.
J
L
I'm
chair
commissioner
Wickstrom,
so
the
the
future
land
use
within
the
Meridian
comprehensive
plan
is
mixed-use,
neighborhood
and
so
I
did
go
through
some
of
those
requirements
that
are
listed
within
their
comprehensive
plan,
so
neighborhood
serving
uses
predom
avoid
predominantly
single-use
developments,
primarily
residential
Street
connectivity,
open
space
Pathways.
All
of
these
are
specifically
listed
within
their
comprehensive
plan
for
mixed-use
neighborhood.
Q
Does
that
mean
that
there's
everything
that
is
labeled
as
such
is
not
going
to
they
don't
want
any
like
gas
stations
or
anything
in
in
those
I
mean
because
if
that's
looking
at
their
Zone
plan,
it's
a
huge
swath
over
there
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
they're,
just
like
want
houses
upon
houses
and
nothing
else.
L
S
Thank
you
as
far
as
the
fire
protection
goes,
we'll
comply
with
the
requirements
that
that
the
city
has
for
that
right
now
we're
thinking
that
it's
going
to
be
a
well
and
then,
depending
on
what
that
can
produce,
it
may
be
a
well
and
a
tank
combination
until
you
do
the
well
and
do
the
draw
down
and
everything
you
just
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
generate
the
Legacy
feed
and
field
that's
over
at
Lake
Shore
south
of
Nampa.
S
That
one
has
a
large
well
and
actually
produces
2,
000
gallons
per
minute.
So
I
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
get
that
type
of
water
here,
but
they
were
able
to
get
on
another
site
and
then
obviously
we're
planning
on
sprinkling
the
buildings
and
all
those
type
of
things.
S
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
city
of
meridians
when
we
had
the
meeting
with
them
last
week
and
we
went
over
their
concerns,
their
concern
wasn't
that
we
were
putting
in
a
gas
station.
The
gas
station
is
an
allowed
use
per
their
comp
plan
for
that
zoning.
S
Their
their
complaint
was
that
it
wasn't
mixed
use
that
we
only
had
a
single
use
of
a
gas
station
and
we
didn't
have
other
uses
on
the
site,
and
that's
where
we
pointed
them
back
to
the
communication
we
had
with
them
the
year
prior,
when
they
gave
us
a
letter
of
saying
that
they
would
support
it
and
that's
what
that
concept
layout
was
showing
those
other
uses
on
the
site.
S
We
just
can't
have
those
other
uses
on
the
site
at
this
time,
because
we
don't
have
the
sewer
and
water
for
those
uses.
That's
why
we're
only
asking
for
the
c-store
when
this
project,
when
this
property
redevelops
in
the
future,
it
will
be
annexed
into
the
City
and
we'll
have
to
comply
with
the
city's
requirements
and
go
through
that
whole
process
at
that
time.
S
So
what
we're
asking
for
right
now
is
just
for
the
c-store
approval
and
just
that
single
use
and
that's
what
the
city's
main
concern
was
that
that
that's,
how
we
don't
comply
is
because
we
only
have
the
one
use,
but
we
can't
support
any
other
uses
to
kind
of
see
that
whole
Vision
at
this
time
does
that
make
sense,
I
hope
that
makes
sense.
But
hopefully
you
can
ask
any
questions.
What.
Q
Madam,
commissioner,
go
ahead,
so
when
you,
when
I
looked
at
the
the
slide
deck
that
was
presented
it
it
looked
like
it
was
a
significant
expansion
from
just
a
normal
convenience
store.
It
like
they
said
merchandise
Etc
is
that
is
that
correct?
It's
going
to
be
a
larger
like
not
just
like
a
small
service
station,
but
more
of
a
like,
almost
I,
wouldn't
say
truck
stop,
but
just
something
along
those
lines
per.
S
Se,
it's
only
for
like
if
you
compared
it
to
the
the
Legacy
that's
over
in
at
Lakeshore,
which
is
what
those
pictures
are
that's
of
the
Legacy
at
Lakeshore.
That's
a
much
bigger
building,
it's
kind
of
it
kind
of
had
like
they
called
it.
Legacy,
Feed
and
Fuel
store.
So
it
had
like
this
other
component,
almost
like
a
little
DMB
store
attached
to
it.
That's
not
what
we're
proposing
here.
It's
just
the
8
000
square
foot,
c-store!
S
A
Okay,
I,
don't
have
any
more
questions,
I
think
we're
good,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
to
the
Commissioners
for
a
motion.
Mr
Birch.
A
D
So
it
wouldn't
be
an
exaggeration
for
me
to
say
that
I've
driven
past
this
corner
thousands
of
times
in
the
20-some
years
that
we've
lived
up
here,
I
live
in
the
far
southwest
corner
of
Ada
County
and
coming
up
from
the
Melba
zip
code.
There
is
no
fuel
station
if,
as
I
come
up
clear
up
until
I
hit
the
highway
at
10
mile,
and
so
when
I
come
back
from
downtown.
D
D
The
roundabout
certainly
changed
the
complexion
of
that
neighborhood
when
it
was
put
in.
In
addition
to
that,
for
many
years
there
was
a
big
sign
on
the
northwest
corner
of
this
property.
That
said
future
site
of
Idaho,
Power,
Station,
and
so
residents
knew
that
that
might
be
coming
and
then
that
disappeared,
so
they
obviously
changed
their
mind.
D
The
Legacy
stores
that
are
at
Lakeshore
and
45
and
at
Victory
and
Meridian
are
nice
well-kept
stores.
Anybody
that's
been
in
them
would
recognize
that
there
is
a
need
for
a
fuel
center
here
and
while
we
normally
would
pay
great
deference
to
what
a
city
in
their
impact
area
would
want.
In
this
case
the
applicant
has
attempted
to
work
with
the
city
and
yet
still
has
been
shot
down.
D
Q
I
agree
the
concerns
I
originally
had
when
it
came
to
echd
I,
looked
down
on
the
map.
They
already
have
built
those
entrances
next,
it's
so
they're
already
there,
so
they
have
already
assessed
I
understand
that
they
would
like
to
further
assess
that
potentially,
but
there's
not
it's
not
like
they're
going
to
change
the
roads.
I
fully
believe
that
those
roads
and
the
entrance
and
exit
into
what
this
facility
would
be
are
going
to
be
what
they
are
currently
they're,
they're
built
there
and
the
City
of
meridian's
letter.
Q
Even
though
there's
this
vague
idea
of
them
just
or
not
wanting
this
to
be
built,
they
in
their
letter,
says
they're
generally
supportive
of
the
original
concept
and
then
further
on
down
the
city
is
not
necessarily
opposed
to
the
project.
It's
just
there's
some
clarity
issues
which
I
believe
can
be
worked
out
over
time
also,
like
my
fellow
commissioner,
has
said,
the
impact
to
the
those
other
residents
there
that
that
speaks
to
me.
The
commentary
from
the
neighbors
is
always
good
to
have
so.
Q
I
also
believe
that
there's
going
to
be
adequate,
fire
suppression
on
site
gas
stations
are
pretty
solid
and
I
fully
trust
the
the
Meridian
fire
department's,
an
assessment
but
I
I.
The
I
think
that
the
risk
could
be
adequately
mitigated
on
site
with
what
is
within
code,
while
the
fire
department
responds
so
I
also
recommend
approval
of
this
of
this
plan.
Thank.
C
Similarly,
I
do
think
this
is
a
good
use
for
this
area
and
definitely
a
needed
resource.
So
to
speak.
One
thing
I
would
recommend
and
like
to
see
from
the
applicant
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
need
to
be
obviously
attached
to
the
condition
by
any
means,
but
I
would
like
to
see
them
like
sit
down
with
them
reading
and
attempt
to
at
least
work
out
the
utility
and
service
plan,
since
that
seems
to
be
one
of
the
sticking
points
with
Meridian
based
off
of
their
newest
letter
in
the
newest
exhibit.
C
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
developed
prior
to
it
going
to
the
board
of
County
Commissioners,
or
at
least
you
know
if
it
can't
be
developed
at
least
being
able
to
say,
like
hey,
we
met,
and
you
know,
Meridian
and
is
still
saying
no
or
something
like
that.
Gonna
have
that
paper
trail,
at
least
because
I
do
think.
You
know
that
does
play
a
role
in
this
I
think
that
kind
of
Echoes
back
to
what
the
fire
chief
was
saying
about
some
of
those
city
services.
G
Madam,
chair
yeah,
no
I'm,
I'm
I,
like
the
property
and
I,
see
everything
that's
going
on
there
and
and
in
my
opinion,
I'm
I'm
for
it
as
well,
and
the
reason
is,
is
it
is
in
this
unique
spot
of
where,
in
my
I
call
it
more
of
No
Man's
Land
right,
it's
no
one's
annexed
it
in
there's,
no
one
going
to
be
buttoned
up
against
it.
G
It
could
be
a
long
time
before
it
gets
developed
and
I
could
see
why
they
wouldn't
want
to
develop
the
whole
project
because
it's
not
feasible
monetarily,
wise,
I
I
do
have
a
little
concern.
I
mean
it
is
probably
what
I
would
in
the
construction
world
is
known
as
the
class
nine
and
in
the
fire
end
of
it,
and
so
I
I
do
really
probably
recommend
making
sure
they're
working
well
with
the
fire
departments
on
that
side
of
things
and
I
I'm
pretty
confident
out
there.
G
You
can
pump
a
big
enough
well
down
there
to
get
that
thousand
I
personally,
have
one
that
pumps,
650
so
I
know
I
know
it's
reachable.
G
That
would
be
my
biggest
concern
on
it,
but
other
than
that.
I
think
it
screams
that
it
that
it
needs
it
there,
so
I'm
I'm,
for
it.
J
I
can
agree
with
a
lot
that
things
have
gone
on,
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
application,
just
I
it.
Maybe
it's
just
a
little
bit
ahead
of
its
time
with
the
septic
and
and
well
water
out
there,
and
it
is
kind
of
a
hopscotch
development
right
now.
J
It's
just
it's
not
an
effective
use
of
that
corner.
Lot.
You've
got
six
acres
and
it
looks
like
you
include
the
driveways
here.
If
you
take
the
driveways
out
there,
maybe
using
half
of
it
for
their
actual
development.
J
The
rest
of
it
has
to
be
used
for
the
for
the
well
and
for
the
septic
field
and
and
there's
just
complete
absence
of
any
sort
of
residential
uses
on
this
site
and
then
what
they
have
planned
for
the
adjacent
one
completely
going
against
the
comp
plan
for
Meridian
and
any
the
design
to
have
the
mixed
use.
J
I
think
there's
probably
some
limit
on
the
neighborhood
notification.
You're
going
300
feet,
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
coverage
there.
You
didn't
have
a
a
lot
of
input
from
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
just
they
weren't
there.
They
weren't
contacting
that
many
people,
I
I,
think
I.
Like
the
building,
I
wish,
Jackson's
and
Mavericks
would
get
on
board
with
something
like
that.
There's
things
I
like
about
I,
just
think
right.
J
A
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
comments?
No,
no
so
I'm
concerned
because
I
I
like
it
when
we
work
with
our
cities
and
can
support
our
cities,
and
so
I
can
agree.
I
can
understand
why
the
staff
said
to
voted,
to
recommend
that
this
be
denied,
because
it's
not
matching
meridian's
comprehensive
plan.
A
I
grew
up
a
mile
and
a
half
from
this
location,
so
I've
been
by
it
a
thousand
times
too
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
it's
ever
going
to
develop
and
be
walkable,
because
it's
not
even
bikeable
right
I
mean
it's
it's
scary,
to
bike
on
on
Amity
Road,
so
so
I
don't
know
it
would
take
a
lot
of
character
development
in
order
for
it
to
become
a
walkable
community
and
so
that
that
feels
kind
of
weird
to
say
that
that's
going
to
be
a
walkable
Community
Based
on
my
historical
concern,
so
I
I
understand
why
the
the
staff
said
no
and
I
was
initially
I.
A
This
is
like
a
a
Five
Mile
Lake
Hazel
project
20
years
ago,
and
so
these
are
problematic
long
term
for
for
our
zoning
uses,
but
I
also
can
agree
that
there's
nothing
else
out
there
and
that
that
that
the
that's
probably
going
to
be
a
commercial
corner.
A
Any
other
comments,
so
I'll
call
for
the
vote.
The
the
motion
right
now
on
the
on
the
to
vote
is
to
approve
vote
for
a
staff
recommendation
of
approval
for
this
project.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
this
project
and
note
that
if
we
say
we
approve
the
project,
then
we
need
to
table
it.
So
that's
part
of
the
motion
is
it
gets
table
to
the
next
meeting,
so
they
can
fix.
Do
findings
is.
A
19Th
January
19th
yeah
and
the
other
comment
I
want
to
make
is
that
I
I'm
totally
support
that
they
work
with
the
fire
department
and
get
enough
water
to
put
out
fires.
I
mean
I,
don't
think!
There's
anybody
here
that
doesn't
want
there
to
be
enough
water
to
put
out
fires.
So
so,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
all
those
in
vote
in
in
favor
of
approving
this
project,
which
would
include
a
tabling
it
until
the
January
19th
meeting,
say
aye.
D
A
And
all
those
opposed
say
aye
aye,
so
it
was
I'm
going
to
vote
against
it,
but
there
was
four
five
for
it
and
two
against
it.
Is
that
true,
okay,
so
we're
good?
A
Okay,
we're
done
with
that!
So
that'll
be
on
the
on
January
19th
and
thank
you
everybody
for
sitting
through
through
all
of
that
for
the
for
the
main
event,
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
we're
gonna
have
when
we
get
to
the
public
comments.
A
We're
gonna
have
three
minutes
per
person,
and
then
we
can
ask
you,
questions
and
and
I
just
want
to
remind
us
that
that
we
want
to
be
polite
and
respectful,
because
we're
all
neighbors
and
we
all
live
in
Ada
County
and
we
all
care
about
each
other
so
go
ahead.
C
H
So
ma'am
chair
and
Commissioners
project
number
2022-01404,
CU
MSP
is
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
Winery.
The
property
is
located
at
4562,
North
Burt
place
and
consists
of
5.43
acres
and
the
rural
residential
district.
It
should
be
known
that
the
property
is
located
in
the
eagle,
Foothills
American
viticultural
area.
H
The
applicant
will
be
holding
winery
events
for
the
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard.
There
will
be
no
wine
making
or
scheduled
Tasting
Room
hours
at
the
site.
The
public
will
only
visit
The
Tasting
Room
during
scheduled
winery
events.
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard
intends
to
serve
wine
by
the
glass
well
and
bottle,
including
wine.
Tastings
they'll
also
serve
a
limited
selection
of
charcuterie
boards
appetizers
and
catered
dinners.
H
The
winery
events
will
include
wine
club
member
Gatherings,
including
wine,
pairings
new
releases,
Club,
pickups
and
Vedic
cultural
education
classes,
occasional
Farm
to
Table
style,
dinners
and
other
Winery
related
events,
there'll
be
a
maximum
of
24
events
with
no
more
than
50
people
in
attendance
and
the
hours
of
operation
will
be
from
10
a.m
to
10
p.m.
On
the
day
of
the
event,
the
appca
is
requesting
an
alternative,
Landscaping
screening
plan.
This
alternative
plan
is
Justified
due
to
the
location
of
the
use
and
the
existing
vegetation
on
the
property.
H
H
The
winery
is
in
compliance
with
a
county
comprehensive
plan,
as
the
winery
will
help
to
support
the
agricultural
use
of
the
property.
The
winery
is
also
in
compliance
with
a
County
zoning
ordinance
as
it
complies
with
the
findings
for
conditional
uses
and
master
site
plans
and
complies
with
the
specific
use
standards
for
a
winery.
H
Several
comments
have
been
made
by
the
members
of
the
public.
Those
opposed
to
the
winery
have
slight
concerns
regarding
increased
vehicular
traffic
in
the
area,
along
with
the
noise
occurring
from
The,
Tasting,
Room
and
winery
events.
There
is
also
a
concern
that
the
winery
will
result
in
impaired
drivers
driver
driving
on
the
road.
Some
also
fought
that
the
approval
of
the
winery
will
lead
to
other
Wineries
and
other
agritourism
Ventures
opening
in
the
area,
and
some
of
the
neighbors
do
think
that
tasting
rooms
in
advance
should
occur
in
downtown
Eagle.
H
There's
also
a
mention
that
they
don't
want
their
neighborhood
to
resemble
Napa
Valley
California,
and
there
was
a
neighbor
who
says
that
the
ccnrs
I
do
not
allow
for
commercial
Ventures
on
the
property,
and
it
should
be
known
that
a
county
designed
for
ccnrs
that
would
be
enforced
through
either
individual
private
parties
or
the
HOA.
We
do
not
enforce
those.
Those
in
favor
of
the
winery
stayed
that
the
smallest
state,
Vineyards
and
wineries
are
beautiful
and
quiet
Ventures
and
that
they
encourage
Green,
Space
and
Community.
H
They
also
claim
that
growing
grapes
by
itself
is
not
a
financially
successful
business.
It
is
only
financially
sustainable
if
the
graves
are
converted
to
a
higher
value.
Higher
value
product,
such
as
wine
from
their
perspective,
inability
to
have
wineries
will
lead
to
less
agriculture,
less
Green,
Space
and
more
residential
subdivisions
of
the
area.
They
see
the
future
of
farming
in
the
Treasure
Valley
as
being
able
to
create
a
value-added
product
from
their
Harvest,
for
example
wine,
Ave
grapes,
and
that
the
farmer
also
connects
directly
with
people
interested
in
purchasing
the
product.
H
For
example,
a
winery
in
a
Tasting
Room.
Key
agency
comments
include
the
following:
the
Central
District
Health
Department
made
the
comment
that
the
new
septic
system
once
installed
will
only
be
allowed
28
people
maximum
capacity
per
day
once
installed.
The
eagle
fire
districts
say
that
there
shall
be
no
parking
along
the
driveway.
The
app
kit
did
mention
to
staff
that
he
did
speak
with
eagle
fire
district
and
that
the
fire
district
mentioned
to
him
that
they
could
allow
parking
on
the
driveway.
As
long
as
the
drive
aisle
is
at
least
50
20
feet
wide.
H
The
economic
development
specialist
with
the
Sea
of
Eagle
replied
that
the
presence
of
tasting
rooms
within
Eagles,
Eagle,
Foothills,
American
viticulture
area
will
reap
economic
benefits,
increase
the
county
and
the
state's
tax
base,
and
she
is
in
support
of
the
project.
Staff
has
proposed
a
few
conditions
of
approval.
The
first
one
is
the
applicants
required
to
have
poorer
pies
on
site
when
there
are
events,
I
see,
20
people
and
the
poor
price
will
need
to
be
approved
by
the
Central
District
Health
Department.
H
The
second
condition
is
that
the
applicant's
site
plan
shows
parking
along
the
driveway
North
Bert
Place
staff
is
not
in
favor
of
parking
along
the
driveway
or
on
a
North
Burnt
place.
The
staff
is
proposing
for
the
applicant
to
submit
a
revised
Master
site
plan
that
removes
the
additional
parking
from
the
driveway
at
North
Burke
place.
In
addition,
The
Flash
conditions.
Q
H
Yes,
so
ma'am
chair,
commissioner
Scott,
the
applicant
is
proposing
you
know
so
with
one
of
the
standards
with
a
specifically
service
for
Winery
is
that
they
can
have
24
schedule.
Events
with
up
to
50
people
and
the
applicant
is
is
basically
has
stated
that
you
know
they're
okay
with
not
having
regular,
scheduled
Tasting
Room
hours,
but
they
would
like
to
obviously
utilize
the
24
events.
That's
in
the
specific
youth
standards.
You
know
for
some
of
these
special
events,
so
this
would
be
things
like
the
the
wine
club
pickups.
H
You
know
Farm
to
Table
dinners.
You
know
vague
culture
classes,
so
they
would
only
be
having
at
most
24
events
a
year
on
the
site.
Okay,.
D
A
H
H
You
can,
and
obviously
this
is
a
conditional
use
application
so
with
a
conditional
use.
This
is
like
a
special
use
permit,
so,
basically,
with
a
conditional
use,
you're
looking
at
you
know
the
surrounding
area,
and
so
you
can
craft
conditions
of
approval
if
you
do
so
choose
to
approve
the
application
that
reflect.
You
know
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
and
of
the
site
itself.
A
And
then
does
that
do
we
regulate
like
people
stopping
by
to
pick
up
their
wine?
If
you
made
an
appointment,
I
mean:
are
they
open
to
the
public
during
the
rest
of
the
time
they.
C
Danielson
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
also
clarify
the
like
for
the
record
the
definition
of
event,
because
I
believe
in
the
past
of
my
memory
serves
obviously
like
if
it
was
just
you
know,
the
owner's
family
coming
over
that
wouldn't
be
considered
an
event.
But
if
it's,
you
know
something
ticketed
open
to
the
public,
even
if
one
person
shows
up
then
in
Steven
an
event
is
that
correct.
Z
H
So
they
obviously
are
able
to
have
you
know
the
Christmas,
their
family
Thanksgiving
things
like
that
at
their
home
without
that
being
included
as
a
vet.
So
this
would
be
you
know,
events
that
are
directly
related
to
their
business.
So,
okay.
J
Anderson
I
don't
mean
this
might
sound
trivial
but
they're.
We're
calling
this
a
wine
make
wine
making,
but
there's
no
wine
production
on
the
site.
It's
just
it's
a
vineyard
with
a
serving
room.
Is
there
any
sort
of
difference
between
calling
it
on
Winery
and
a
Vineyard.
H
There
really
isn't
so
we
we
are
still
able
to
consider
this
a
winery
because
they
do
have
a
tasting
room,
and
so
the
definition
of
Winery
you
know
includes
the
wine
making
plus
also,
you
know
the
tasting
room
itself,
and
so
it
still
is
considered
a
winery
because
they
still
have
The
Tasting
Room
component
of
it,
even
though
they're
not
producing
wine
on
the
site.
J
You
and
then
the
is
it
a
recommendation
that
there
would
be
no
parking
on
the
street
and
the
driveway,
or
is
that
something
that,
just
by
law,
they
can't
have.
H
Does
our
recommendations
so
a
staff?
You
know
because
obviously
Northbrook
place,
that's
a
rural
type
of
Road.
There's
no
sidewalk
there
as
staff.
We
feel
it
is
safer
for
obviously,
in
most
when
we
have
conditional
uses,
the
parking
typically
is
off-site
parking.
So
that
means
you
know,
we
don't
include
the
parking
you
know
on
the
street
as
carrying
a
bats
as
the
required
parking
and
So
based
on
the
safety
of
the
people.
That
would
be
patronizing
the
the
winery
we
wouldn't
want
to
have
parking
on
North
Burke
place
and
then
the
fire
district.
H
In
there
comments
to
us.
They
were
concerned
about
having
parking
along
the
driveway,
because
they
want
to
make
sure
that
the
drive
aisles
by
enough
that
there
was
an
emergency
that
emergency
vehicles
could
get
down
the
driveway
safely
and
quickly,
and
so
that's
that
was
our
rationale
of
not
allowing
parking
along
the
driveway
or
on
Earth
place.
A
H
So
Madam
chair
with
I,
can
just
use
semester
site
plan
application.
You
make
the
final
decision
on
it
unless
the
application
is
appealed.
So
if
there's
a
party
that
does
not
like
the
decision
you
make
this
evening,
then
they
do
have
the
ability
to
appeal
your
decision
within
15
days
and
then,
if
they
do
so,
then
we
would
have
a
public
Hearing
in
front
of
the
board
of
County
Commissioners.
AA
Mark
Mark
pasculi
4562,
North,
Burke,
Place,
Eagle
Madam,
commissioner
commissioners,
development
staff
services.
Thank
you
guys
for
all
the
work
you've
put
into
this,
probably
primarily
Brent
in
putting
up
with
me
so
I'm
Mark
pascoli,
my
wife
and
I
own
Rolling,
Hills
Vineyard,
along
with
our
children,
Daniel
Savannah
and
Zachary,
who
are
all
in
attendance
along
with
our
son-in-law
Logan.
AA
AA
AA
The
American
Farmland
trust
whose
primary
concern
is
preserving
agricultural
land
in
all
50
States,
including
Idaho,
has
taken
the
position
that
any
Vestige
of
agricultural
open
space
and
Ada
County
is
in
grave
peril.
Hundreds
of
Acres
of
prime
agricultural
land
have
already
been
converted
to
residential
commercial
and
Industrial
use.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
Will
you
allow
Spring,
Valley
and
avamor
to
continue
to
promote
its
interest
in
participating
in
the
potential
future
of
the
Idaho
wine
industry,
while
simultaneously
short-cirkening
small,
independently
owned
Idaho
wineries
in
favor
of
a
Utah,
Development,
Corporation
or
other
institutional
investors?
That
plan
to
do
the
very
same
thing.
AA
AA
Therefore,
the
original
request
was
to
be
open.
208
days
a
year
after
the
neighborhood
meeting,
our
family
had
a
series
of
discussions
regarding
our
request
based
on
feedback
from
our
surrounding
Neighbors
and
what
our
family
deemed
a
reasonable
use
of
our
property.
In
light
of
the
discussion
with
surrounding
Neighbors,
we
reduced
our
request
to
a
maximum
of
24
events
to
a
maximum
of
50
people.
AA
AA
AA
AA
As
far
as
hours
of
operations,
we
originally
requested
12
to
6
the
new
request
of
10
a.m,
to
5
p.m.
This
is
due
to
having
summer
events
such
as
Vineyard
walks
and
due
to
the
heat
those
should
occur
earlier
in
the
day
or
later
in
the
afternoon.
AA
Typical
event
will
last
somewhere
between
three
to
four
hours.
All
of
these
requests
aren't
compliance
with
existing
County
codes
and
we'll.
We
will
abide
by
all
noise
ordinances.
AA
AA
As
far
as
Central
District
Health
feedback
I
spoke
with
Central
District
Health,
also
on
December
13th
I
explained
that
we
are
not
building
a
physical
Tasting.
Room
Central
District
Health
sent
me
information
to
renew
our
permit
and
is
going
to
remove
the
physical
Tasting
Room
component
from
that
permit.
AA
As
long
as
we
use
Portables
from
a
licensed
Company
by
Central
District
Health,
there's
no
objection
to
the
use.
Any
other
potential
open
item
with
Central
District
Health
is
simple,
is
a
separate
issue.
That's
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
hearing
in
closing
I'd
like
to
address
some
issues
raised
in
opposition,
letters
and
I'm
sure
in
testimony
to
follow,
we've
been
accused
of
having
a
Rolling,
Hills
Vineyard
event
in
September.
That's
wrong.
We
did
not.
AA
We
had
one
of
our
children's
weddings,
which
had
nothing
to
do
with
our
business
and
six
years
of
living
there.
It's
the
only
time
we
ever
used
a
DJ
as
it
relates
to
the
buffering
fence.
Our
application
provides
that
the
insulation,
the
installation
of
the
privacy
fence
to
the
north,
would
be
installed
upon
approval
of
the
permit
and
the
achieving
of
75
percent
of
the
neighbors
so
that
we
could
actually
operate
and
function.
AA
AA
The
alleged
ccnrs
we've
already
saw
legal
advice
and
anticipation
of
Miss
Stone
raising
this
issue
from
a
legal
perspective,
we've
already
received
an
opinion
that
has
definitively
concluded
that
these
ccnrs
do
not
even
apply
to
our
property.
We
are
confident
that
we
would
Prevail
on
this
issue
if
it's
raised
in
the
proper
form.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
N
Q
Ahead,
I
just
have
one
question
specific
to
just
kind
of
understanding
that
the
DUI
issue
is
the
hot
button
issue.
A
lot
of
times.
Do
you
have
any
external,
mitigating
situate
like
plans
for
that
when
it
comes
to
the
tasting
I
know
that
a
Tasting
Room
isn't
like
a
bar
where
people
are
going
and
and
becoming
inebriated,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
guys
have
any
within
your
Tasting
Room
any
any
way
to
mitigate
or
alleviate
some
of
the
concerns
there.
Q
AA
Well,
I
mean
on
multiple
instances:
I
mean
we.
We
always,
you
know,
do
our
best.
We've
owned
businesses
in
Idaho
for
20
years,
and
we
believe
that
corporate
stewardship
is
one
of
the
most
highest
callings
you
have
as
a
business
owner
in
the
state.
So
we
are
always
mindful
of
you
know,
training
staff
making
sure
somebody
is
not
over
served.
You
know
we
encourage
designated
drivers.
Sometimes
small
Vans
can
deliver
people
to
the
site,
so
they
actually
not
driving.
AA
That's
a
common
thing
in
the
wine
industry,
where
there's
a
tour
of
us
that
will
take
people
around
so
they're,
not
driving.
So
we
would
go.
You
know
along
those
lines.
You
know
we
would
even
be
fine
if,
if
we
had
to
take
somebody
home
or
get
the
maneuver
and
them
to
leave
their
vehicle
at
our
place,
for
you
know
to
the
next
day
to
when
they
could
come
pick
it
up.
Q
Q
With
regard
to
the
Central
District
Health
stuff
I
understand,
you
said
that
you
would
not
be
preparing
food
there,
but
in
the
initial
discussion
we
heard
that
there
was
going
to
be
charcuterie.
Is
that
all
catered?
Is
that
all.
AA
D
The
opposition
to
these
usually
centers
around
some
common
themes.
One
of
them
is
noise.
One
of
them
is
lighting
and,
and
we've
been
told
that
those
details
were
yet
to
be
worked
out.
So
the
real
concern
is
what
happens
when
you
have
events,
and
so
it
becomes
an
event
center,
where
you
have
Amplified
music
that
carries
across
the
people
here,
where
you
have
party
type
atmosphere
going
on
into
the
evening,
and-
and
you
have
the
light
pollution
have,
and
some
of
the
objections
that
we've
received
in
the
comments
from
the
neighbors
who've
raised
those
issues.
AA
Yeah
so
Madam
chair,
commissioner
bird,
thank
you
actually
for
bringing
that
up.
That's
something
I
should
have
brought
up
that
actually
has
already
been
addressed.
Our
property
is
done
being
developed,
it's
there's
nothing
we're
going
to
add
or
subtract
from
the
property
other
than
the
privacy
fence.
In
the
event
we
receive
approval
and
we
can
function
and
and
have
the
events
at
our
facility.
So
there's
literally
nothing
at
our
property
that
hasn't
already
been
inspected
and
approved.
There
will
be
nothing
added
is,
and
that
includes
Sounder
everything
everything
there
is.
N
AA
D
AA
D
AA
An
outdoor
home
stereo
system
no
different
than
most
people,
do
that's
the
only
thing
we
would
use
to
play
music
through.
Thank
you.
Like
I
said
we
had
a
child
that
got
married.
That's
the
only
time.
In
six
years,
we've
had
a
DJ
on
site.
I.
Don't
think
anybody
would
really
reasonably
object
to
your
child,
getting
married
on
your
property
and
you
having
maybe
a
little
party
for
one
of
your
children.
AA
A
Total,
okay
and
then
are
you
planning
on
any
or
do
you
have
food
trucks
because
I
know
food
trucks
bring
a
lot
of
people
and
and
yeah.
AA
Madam
chair:
no,
we
would
not
plan
on
food
trucks.
We
would
only
have
catered
food.
C
AA
Yeah,
no
that's
a
great
question
and
I.
You
know,
I!
Think
when
you
you
know,
I
mean
people
from
Idaho
tend
to
be
fairly
hardy.
People
so
I,
think
kind
of
from
April
to
October
is
kind
of
your
window
of
opportunity.
AA
I
don't
think
tomorrow
evening
would
be
a
great
day
for
an
outdoor
event,
so
yeah
I
mean
it
would
typically
be
in
the
spring.
In
the
summer,
in
the
fall
obviously
giving
difference
to
like
this
past
October,
you
could
have
an
event
in
October
some
October's
you
may
want
to
stay
inside,
so
that
would
be
the
window.
Thank
you.
P
Go
ahead,
you
know,
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
just
explain
to
me.
You
have
a
second
site
correct.
AA
AA
You
explain
that
yeah.
So
when
you,
when
you're
licensed
by
the
the
ttb,
the
tax
and
trade
Bureau
of
the
federal
government,
license
a
winery
with
that
license,
you
have
the
site
that
we
have
in
Garden
City
where's
your
Winery
site,
with
a
tasting
room
and
you're
also
licensed
to
have
a
winery
at
an
off-site,
so
that
partly
addresses
how
the
code
is
set
up.
AA
P
So
when
you're
talking
about
events
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
I
want
you
to
be
kind
of
specific,
for
me,
are
we
talking?
Are
we
saying
that
any
time
anybody,
not
your
family,
goes
to
your
you.
AA
If
we
had
a
wine
pick
up
at
the
property
that
would
we
would
consider
that
an
event.
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
24
events
any
time
we
would
have
anything
open
to
members
or
the
public.
We
would
deem
an
event,
including
a
wine
pickup,
so
there
wouldn't
be
people
just
randomly
coming
and
going
picking
up
wine
or
drinking
wine.
AA
J
In
the
parking
situation,
so
their
recommendations
are
no
parking
on
the
street
and
on
the
driveway
only
if
the
you
can
have
the
20-foot
wide.
How
are
you
going
to
solve
your
parking
problem
when
you're
going
to
expect
50
people?
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that.
AA
J
AA
AA
I
understand
the
concern
on
Burke
place,
but
if
we
can
create
an
environment
where
no
one's
leaving
our
property
they're
parking
on
our
property
I,
don't
see
why,
if
they're
parking
on
our
property,
that
would
be
an
issue
whether
they're
parking
to
the
front
in
the
middle
or
the
back,
if
they're
physically
on
our
property.
Thank.
J
You
and
the
last
one
would
be
you
and
so
you're
you're
selling
wine.
At
your
events.
Yes,
sir,
okay.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank.
Q
A
lot
go
ahead,
commissioner:
Scott
is
there,
are
there
any
other
any
other
wineries
nearby
or
in
the
areas?
It's
just.
Are
you
just
you
any
other
places
that
are
making
or
have
grapes
or
Vineyards
or
anything.
AA
Yeah
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
Scott
yeah
I
mean
there
are
the
only
other
Vineyards
in
close
proximity
are
wineries.
In
close
proximity
to
us
is
3
100
sellers,
which
is
directly
to
our
West
down
Homer
Road
and
then
on
Highway
16,
there's
Dew
DeWalt
three
horse,
ranches
I
believe
it's
10
miles
north
of
us.
It's
in
Gem,
County.
AA
I
I,
don't
think
it's
my
position
to
really
State
what
they
do
or
don't
do
it.
It's
not
really
something
I
have
personal
knowledge
of
and.
Q
Then,
just
one
last
question
on
the
traffic
what
I
mean?
Obviously
this
is
like
where
you
live.
So
what
what
are
your
thoughts
on
I
understand
that
you
have
a
very
long
driveway,
not
parking
on
bird
place,
you'd
be
parking
on
your
driveway
roughly
or
you
just
separate,
have
separate
parking.
But
let's
say
you
have
the
ability
to
accommodate
everyone.
What
do
you
anticipate
the
traffic
traveling
along
bird
place
to
look
like
a
vehicle-wise
for
an
event
and
what's.
AA
Yeah
I
mean
typically
those
events.
You
know
you're
going
to
get.
You
know
two
and
a
half
to
you
know
four
people
per
vehicle,
so
you
typically
would
even
for
50
people
you're
going
to
have
a
relatively
small
number.
We
can
have
family
and
friends
over
and
have
that
many
cars
at
our
house,
so
so
yeah
I
mean
as
far
as
accommodating
it.
We
don't.
We
don't
perceive
it
as
being
an
issue.
Okay,.
A
A
E
Thank
you,
I'm
Mark,
Johnson
I
live
at
4690,
North
Burke
place
I'm
the
neighbor
just
to
the
north
and
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
this
proposed
tasting
Center
event
center.
Whatever
you
keep
trying
to
call
it
on
the
26th
of
May,
we
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
we
expressed
a
lot
of
our
concerns.
Our
neighbors
expressed
a
lot
of
the
concerns
we
had
and
they
have
addressed
a
couple
of
them,
but
noise
being
the
big
issue
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
E
They
have
also
put
a
letter
out
in
your
detailed
letter.
They
said
the
privacy
fence
is
going
to
go
up,
the
fence
is
not
up
yet.
What
is
that
fence
going
to
look
like?
Is
that
going
to
be
a
12
foot
tall
fence
going
to
be
a
four
foot
tall
fence?
What's
it
going
to
look
like
it
does
not
mitigate
the
sound?
E
E
E
It
includes
it
would
be
included
for
these
events,
such
as
limiting
the
number
of
events
to
two
per
year
in
between
the
hours
at
10,
A.M
and
6
pm,
also
like
to
ban
Amplified,
music
and
announcers,
and
instead
of
ample
buffering,
set
a
sound
limit
at
the
property
line.
The
EPA
States
and
I
quote
levels
of
55
decibels,
outdoor
and
45
decibels.
Indoor
are
identified
as
preventing
activity,
interference
and
annoyance.
These
levels
of
noise
and
consider
are
considered
those
which
will
permit
spoken
conversations
and
other
activities,
such
as
sleep
work
and
Recreation
unquote.
E
J
A
You
very
much
we
appreciate
you
coming
down.
Thank
you.
I'm
gonna
call
Logan.
It
looks
like
weather.
A
Something
give
us
your
name
and
address
yes,.
U
Growing
and
producing
a
product
locally
brings
our
family
and
the
community
around
us,
a
great
sense
of
pride
and
a
reason
to
come
together
and
appreciate
the
agricultural
Heritage
that
so
many
idahoans
share,
allowing
our
privately
hosted
events
provides
additional
opportunities
for
the
community
to
experience
the
joy
that
wine
wine
tasting
and
family
and
friend,
gatherings
bring
to
our
family.
Thank
you.
AB
My
name
is
Nancy
Stone
and
I
live
at
4690
North,
Burke,
Place,
Eagle,
Idaho
next
door
to
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard
I
have
prepared
the
statement
which
I'd
like
to
read
in
opposition
to
the
cup
which,
by
allowing
a
business,
violates
the
ccnrs
we
received
when
purchasing
our
home.
The
conditional
use
permit
requested
by
the
pascalis
is
to
designate
their
rural
residential
property
as
a
winery
to
gain
all
the
Privileges.
AB
A
winery
allows
Mark
pascali
and
the
other
wine
Commissioners
are
supporting
changes
to
the
Ada
County
code
of
ordinances,
basically
rewriting
the
definition
of
a
winery
as
any
place
with
a
tasting
room
and
Public
Road
access
by
that
standard,
my
husband
and
I
could
apply
for
a
winery
cup.
We
too
have
a
garage
and
some
grapevines.
These
code
revisions
are
designed.
So
people
like
the
pascalis
have
a
legal
loophole
to
do
whatever
they
want
in
a
neighborhood
like
mine,
a
quiet
cul-de-sac
nestled
in
the
Hills
away
from
noise
and
traffic
of
town.
AB
AB
At
the
neighborhood
meeting
last
spring,
the
pascali
cup
was
for
a
Tasting
Room
at
their
residence,
even
though
they
already
have
one
in
Garden,
City
Mark
stated
that
his
clientele
wants
to
see
where
the
grapes
are
grown
seems
like
they
should
be
taking
a
trip
to
Walla
Walla
and
not
bird
place.
I
saw
no
one
at
the
meeting
other
than
the
pasqualis
themselves
in
favor
of
The
Tasting
Room
many
points
were
voiced
in
opposition,
including
noise
traffic
and
potentially
drunk
drivers.
AB
No
meeting
has
been
held
since
to
advise
neighbor
Neighbors
of
their
revisions
to
the
cup.
Is
that
legal?
Now,
in
addition
to
wine,
tasting
they're
talking
about
50
people
or
so
leaving
their
place
24
times
a
year
at
around
10
o'clock
at
night
and
hitting
the
streets
potentially
I,
hope
you
will
protect
my
rights
as
a
property
owner.
Please
consider
that
there
are
many
more
homeowners
living
in
the
Foothills
than
there
are
people
wanting
commercialized
there.
AB
If
you
allow
the
past
colleagues
this
dup,
you
will
be
opening
the
door
for
this
to
happen
all
over
Ada
County,
the
rural
residential
Ambience
will
be
gone
forever.
In
conclusion,
it
is
clear
to
me
that
loud
outdoor
drinking
parties,
nearly
every
week
during
the
warmer
months,
would
infringe
upon
my
right
to
Peace,
Quiet
and
privacy.
Landscaping
Vines
and
a
plastic
fence
are
not
sufficient
buffers
to
dull
the
noise
created
by
the
pascali's
parties.
I
sincerely
hope
the
outcome
of
this
hearing
doesn't
result
in
an
appeal
which
would
surely
be
followed
by
judicial
review.
A
A
I'm
sorry
Ashley
strumble
is
there
Ashley
strible,
okay,.
N
A
X
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Steve
Cooper
and
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you'll
give
me
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
pasculi's
at
4637,
Northburg
place
and
I
am
fully
in
support
of
this
I
I
will
give
you
a
couple
of
background
ideas.
I've
lived
there
now
for
12
years
and
we
haven't
been
Vineyard
on
our
property.
X
We
make
grapes,
we've
sold
them
to
three
horse
ranch
and
the
eagle,
comprehensive
City
plan
has
for
years
contemplated
the
use
of
our
entire
area
as
a
viticulture
area
citing
tasting
rooms,
you
pick
Flower
Farms,
so
I
would
ask
you
to
not
be
prejudiced
against
what
the
paschoolies
would
like
to
do.
X
There
are
three
equestrian
centers
all
right
in
that
one
mile
area,
trailers,
dust:
it's
it's
agribusiness,
berries
on
Valentine
people,
picking
berries
in
the
morning
and
evening
there
are
you,
pick
Flower
Farms.
There
are
a
truffle
Farm
and
red
beet
I
believe
red
Beach,
red
bench.
Lavender
there
are
dog
kennels.
All
these
are
agribusiness
and
you
shouldn't
be
prejudiced
against
what
they
want
to
do.
X
I've
lived
there,
I've
watched
them
developed
the
property,
it's
immaculate,
it's
a
tremendous
addition
to
a
living
area,
quality
of
life,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
you
that
please
look
at
this,
like
you
would
look
at
to
all
the
other
approvals
that
have
been
done
on
agribusiness
and
support
their
family
business.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
O
In
my
study,
I
believe
these
violate
llupa
regulations,
your
bootstrapping,
a
commercial
Enterprise
in
rural
residential
findings
and
facts.
They're
used
they're
stated
by
staff
as
if
they're
true
finding.
In
fact,
this
complies
with
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan.
It
does
not
and
I'll
tell
you
how,
in
a
moment
finding
in
fact
putting
a
bullet
in
every
chamber
of
a
gun
makes
it
safer
to
play
Russian
reliable.
Just
because
you
say
it
doesn't
make
it
true.
O
O
O
O
Noise
ordinances:
there
are
no
noise
ordinances
in
the
daytime
in
Ada,
County
none
I
live
it.
I
can
prove
it.
There
are
no
enforceable
daytime
noise
ordinances
in
Ada
County.
When
you
call
the
sheriff's
department,
they
say
call
us
at
10
pm.
If
it's
still
continuing.
There
are
no
noise
ordinances
in
Ada,
County
and
I'd
like
to
submit
to
the
record
a
neighbor
Wendy
Johnson
with
times
of
wineries.
Thank.
A
AC
Hello,
I'm,
Haley,
mender
and
I
reside
at
3005,
West
Bar
Street
in
Boise
and
I
work
on
Homer
Road
I
can
answer
questions
about
3100.
If
you
still
have
them.
Commissioner
Scott
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
this
is
a
legally
allowed
use.
As
a
cup
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
and
some
maybe
not
understanding
what
rezone
is
and
asking
for
a
difference
in
changing
our
ordinances.
That's
not
what's
happening
here.
AC
This
is
a
legally
allowed
use
of
a
private
property
for
somebody
to
be
able
to
take
what
they're,
making
and
sell
it
on
their
property.
They've
significantly
reduced
their
use.
So,
instead
of
being
a
tasting
room,
that's
open.
They
would
just
like
to
have
their
24
events
per
year.
That's
out
of
365
days,
sometimes
more
on
leap
years,
and
it's
not
a
bar.
It's
not
a
restaurant.
They
will
have
events,
it's
not
an
event
center.
If
you
need
the
Event
Center
stuff,
you
can
look
at
the
one.
AC
That's
several
that
have
been
approved,
but
the
big
ones
are
allowed
to
operate.
Basically,
multiple
events
per
day
unlimited
days
per
year.
They
have
to
abide
by
noise
for
noise,
ordinances
and
other
restrictions
again,
commissioner
Scott.
If
you
have
questions
about
3
100
sellers,
which
is
on
Homer
Road
or
the
vineyard,
is
we
haven't,
moved
our
Winery
up
there.
Yet
we
don't
have
our
certificate
of
occupancy,
but
we're
close
right
Leon.
AC
So
we
don't
host
Hastings
there
yet
because
we
haven't
moved
in
we
would
like
to,
but
we
also
still
have
to
get
75
percent
of
our
neighbor's
approval
within
a
thousand
feet
of
our
property
in
order
to
get
our
alcohol
license
to
sell
and
serve
so
in
the
foreseeable
future
we
will
not
be
hosting
tastings
just
making
and
storing
our
wine
that
helps
clarify.
AC
And
finally,
in
my
opinion,
what
we
have
going
on
in
these
hearings
is
a
difference
of
opinion.
I've
had
a
discussion
with
Mr
Hill
about
this
and
my
family,
the
past
schoolies.
We
feel
that
a
way
to
preserve
our
rural,
Heritage
and
nature
of
the
area
is
to
have
things
like
wineries,
The,
Vineyards,
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
support
the
business
that
they
do
means
you
have
agriculture.
AC
You
have
open
space,
you
have
a
gathering
place
for
people
and
there's
other
people
that
feel
that
a
better
use
of
that
area
would
be
subdivisions
and
development
and
that's
fine.
It's
a
difference
of
opinion.
So,
unfortunately
it
means
you
guys
have
to
go
back
to
what
is
allowed
use
and
make
hard
decisions,
and
that's
all.
B
Good
evening
Madam,
chair
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jonathan.
Seal
I
live
at
2906,
North
Haven,
my
property,
where
Franz
Haye
Homer
Road
a
couple
of
things.
I
want
to
address.
Some
are
their
comments,
but
first
I'd
like
to
read
section
85b5
of
the
Ada
County
code,
a
couple
of
things
that
I'm
struggling
with
it
says
the
proposed.
You
shall
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare
he
is
to
propose.
You
shall
not
create
an
undue
adverse
impact
on
the
surrounding
areas.
B
B
And
and
if
the
and,
if
in
fact
you
do
you're
welcome
going,
the
public
record
also
the
applicant
is,
is
painted
this
picture
that
we
either
are
going
to
be
rural
or
we've
got
we're
going
to
turn
into
a
you
know:
high-rise
multi-high
density,
type
of
a
Development
I've
lived
on
Homer
Road
for
30
years
with
my
family
we've
released
our
boys.
We
put
a
lot
of
Blood
Sweat
and
Tears
into
the
property.
I
have
horses
I,
don't
know
anyone
that
lives
up
in
this
area.
B
That
has
ever
said
I'd
like
to
change
this
into
commercial.
We
moved
up
there
with
an
expectation.
The
expectation
was
that
it's
rural,
it's
quiet.
We
enjoy
the
peace
and
quiet.
We
understand
sometimes
there's
going
to
be
events
that
are
going
to
happen,
but
there
is
no
way
that
we're
going
to
change
that
and
for
someone
to
suggest
either
you
you
have
to
grow
grapes
or
it's
going
to
turn
into
some
kind
of
commercial
development.
B
I
don't
understand
as
one
of
the
other
persons
Mr
Hill
said,
we're
not
opposed
to
growing
grapes
or
for
that
matter
the
other
agricultural
uses
in
that
area,
but
I
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
growing
grapes
up
there
is
going
to
make
or
break
the
wine
industry.
I
also
find
it
interesting.
When
someone
says
we
have
to
grow
these
grapes,
we
have
to
have
these
operations
up
there
to
support
it
easily.
B
When
have
you
ever
bought
a
house
and
said
I've
got
to
run
a
business
in
order
to
have
this
house
that
doesn't
I,
don't
I
don't
understand
that
either
also
within
this
area,
within
a
mile
there's
3
100
sellers,
there's
Blue
Sky
Farms,
there's
red
chair
lavender,
now,
there's
potentially
this
and
one
of
the
individuals
have
mentioned
these
like
they're,
okay,
we've
opposed
those.
Also,
in
fact,
we've
been
here
in
front
of
you,
I'm
Blue,
Sky
we've
fought
on
red,
chair
lavender,
the
blueberry
farm.
B
They
may
have
one
or
two
people
and
the
individual
that
got
up
there
and
said:
oh
there's,
horse
Arenas
and
dog,
kennels
and
stuff
like
that.
I
live
up
there.
Of
course,
I,
don't
know
where
they
are
and
finally
I
think
you
should
do
the
research
on
the
impact
that
drunk
driving
has
done
on
Napa
Valley
in
Temecula
I
would
disagree
with
the
applicant
who
said
no
there's
nothing
there.
The
research
that
I
have
seen
shows
clearly
that
there
is
so
there's
the
old
saying
that
dog
doesn't
hunt
so
anyways.
AD
Nurse,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Meredith
Smith
I
reside
at
275,
North
Edgewood
Lane
I
am
the
winemaker
for
Sawtooth
and
Saint
Chapel.
We
produce
about
125
000
cases
a
year.
I
personally
have
my
own
Vineyard.
In
Eagle,
it's
about
two
acres.
I
just
grow
the
grapes
for
my
personal
use,
I've
lived
in
Idaho
for
50
over
50
years,
I
love
Idaho.
I
I
attended
when,
before
I
got
into
the
wine
business
I've
been
making
wine
for
over
15
years
before
I
got
into
the
business
I
wanted
to
learn
about
the
wine
industry.
AD
You
know
fast
forward
to
2022
and
I
feel
like
we're
still
kind
of
in
the
same
position.
The
use
is
not
is
is
not
is
not
progressing.
You
know,
you've
got
Boise,
Garden,
City,
Nampa
Caldwell,
all
with
tasting
rooms
intermingled
with
residential
communities
and
I
I,
guess
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around.
Why
Eagle
is
still
in
this
position,
but
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
what
I?
AD
I
think
that
we
should
offer
A
diversity
of
commercial
and
Retail
that
everyone
can
enjoy
a
couple.
Other
things
about
Eagle
is
that
The
Growers
here
are
make
are
growing
excellent
grapes,
they're,
making
excellent
wine
they're
getting
Awards
and
recognition
throughout
the
Northwest
and
the
United
States
I
think
to
push
this
Talent
out
of
Idaho
and
and
replace
it.
Maybe
with
residential
is,
is
it
will
do
a
disservice
and
especially
for
the
agriculture
I
got
into
the
industry,
because
I
love
agriculture,
growing
grapes
is
very,
very
tough.
AD
I
have
done
real
estate
development
in
a
tax
tax,
accounting
and
making
wine
and
growing
grapes
is
my
hardest
job
I
admire
that
people
who
are
growing
grapes.
It's
tough
work.
They
invest
all
their
money
into
these
wineries
that
can
that
can
go
away
with
two
days
of
negative
temperatures.
It
can
wipe
out
your
Vines
before
you
have
new
Vines
I'm
on
a
two-year
waiting
list
for
Vines
for
out
in
Caldwell
just
to
get
vines
to
plant,
then
I'm
I
won't
get
vines
for
seven
years,
two
years
in
bottle.
AE
Marshall
mender
3005
West,
Bar,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho,
Madam,
chair
fellow
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
having
us
I'm
just
here
to
voice
my
approval
for
the
pasculi's
and
their
small
boutique
Venture
I
want
you
guys
not
to
confuse
the
opposition
in
making
mountains
out
of
mole
Hills
what
they
are
asking
for
and
I
don't
need
to
suck
more
oxygen
out
of
the
room
here
and
repeat
the
things
that
folks
have
said
what
they
are
asking
for
is
the
bare
minimum
and
I
want
you
to
see
what
you
know
what
they
are
asking
for
is
reasonable
and
it's
especially
reasonable
within
this
community
within
this
neighborhood.
AF
Good
evening
Madam
chair
commissioners,
I'm
Laurie
pasculi
I
live
at
4562
North
Art
place
in
Eagle
Idaho
I'm,
the
owner
of
Rolling
Hills
vineyard,
with
my
husband
Mark,
and
our
three
children.
We've
lived
in
Idaho
for
over
20
years
and
10
of
those
years
have
been
spent
in
Eagle
and
we
really
love
and
enjoy
our
community.
AF
We
love
living
in
and
near
Agriculture
and
Farms
of
all
types
and
believe
in
buying
local
as
much
as
possible,
because
we
believe
it's
better
for
our
environment
and
always
being
entrepreneurs
ourselves.
We
love
being
able
to
support
our
neighbors
in
their
business
Fetchers
as
well.
AF
We've
purchased
trees
from
our
neighborhood
tree
farms,
we've
picked
fresh
berries
and
lavender
and
flowers
from
you
pick
farms
we've
bought
fresh
eggs
and
honey.
We've
purchased
writing
lessons
for
our
kids
from
local
equestrian
facilities
and
we've
also
visited
local
wineries
and
all
of
that
we've
done
just
within
a
couple
miles
of
our
home
and
it's
been
wonderful
since
purchasing
our
property.
Six
years
ago,
we've
worked
hard
to
improve
it
by
removing
a
hazardous,
collapsed
house
that
had
been
there.
For
years,
we
built
a
new
home
with
new
outbuildings.
AF
We
planted
new
Vineyards
and
invigorated
old
Vineyards
We've
planted
hundreds
of
new
trees,
bushes
and
flowers.
AF
AF
As
someone
suggested,
we
did
it
out
of
the
joy
of
of
doing
it
and
something
we
could
do
as
a
family,
something
that
would
have
the
potential
to
offer
value
to
our
community
a
small
thing,
but
we
felt
something
small
of
beauty
and
good
cheer.
AF
That's
all
nothing
more!
Nothing
less
will
not
be
opening
a
bar
in
the
middle
of
our
neighborhood.
The
legal
definition
of
that
is
serving
heart,
spirits
and
staying
open
till
2
A.M.
We
won't
be
coming
close
to
either
of
those
things
we'll
not
be
adding
any
more
vehicles
or
trailers
to
our
roadways.
Then
our
neighboring
equestrian
facilities
already
do.
Thank
you
for.
K
Hi
and
thank
you
for
hearing
us
today
and
it
is
pasculi
because
I
know
you
guys
are
gonna,
have
to
say
it
like
five
times
the
rest
of
the
time.
You're
here,
I
simply
want
to
voice
my
application
for
the
approval.
K
I
think
it'll
be
not
only
an
economic
benefit
to
the
area,
but
it's
also
Environmental
and
Cultural
benefit
to
the
area.
We
didn't
do
all
this
only
so
that
we
could
sit
on
this
big
property
ourselves
and
enjoy
all
these
things
that
we
believe
God
bless
us
with.
We
want
to
share
it
with
others,
and
we
want
other
people
to
be
able
to
enjoy
it
with
us
and
experience
it
with
us
as
well.
Thank
you.
AG
You
know
I
I'm
vehemently
opposed
to
all
the
amplification
comments
that
would
be
for
certain
I'm,
not
a
professional
musician
and
I'd
like
to
entertain
people
and
I
know
that
the
tasting
room
and
the
pasculi
family
has.
AG
Has
blessed
people
walked
with
integrity
and
held
their
business
and
did
their
their
their
Commerce
with
a
high
high
standard,
and
so
I
would
rather
speak
to
their
character
rather
than
about
the
the
subjects
that
have
been
brought
up
so
far.
I
know
that
they
do
everything
as
on
to
as
unto
God
and
and
they
treat
their
neighbors
well
I'm
certain
that
they
treat
their
neighbors
well
as
they
treat
their
customers
well
and
they
take
care
of
everybody
that
comes
in
and
and
wants
to
enjoy
a
libation
or
two.
AG
You
know
it's
there's
a
difference
between
being
drunk
and
enjoying
a
wine.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
enjoy
wine
and
it's
and
they
enjoy
it
responsibly.
So
I
take
offense
also
to
how
that
has
been
spun
from
some
of
the
comments
already
today.
AG
And
you
can
you
can
Bank
on
that
yeah
I
like
to
say,
there's
a
little
more
bitterness
and
needed
to
be
and
some
of
the
testimonies
and
such,
but
let
there
be
peace.
The
the
pascolis
are
interested
in
keeping
the
environment
and
the
society
of
the
township
of
eagle
and
that
whole
area
of
the
Foothills
has
a
place
of
of
Grace
and
peace,
and
so
that's
all
I
really
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
AH
Savannah
Pasquale
4562,
North,
Burke,
Place,
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners
I
have
lived
in
Eagle
for
the
past
10
years
and
have
been
an
employee
of
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard.
Since
its
Inception,
my
family
has
owned
and
operated
small
businesses
in
Idaho
for
the
past
20
years,
provided
hundreds
of
jobs
and
opportunities
for
the
community
and
continue
to
do
so.
We
opened
our
Tasting
Room
in
Garden,
City
last
June,
and
want
to
be
able
to
have
events
at
our
Vineyard
site
to
share
the
wine
and
agriculture
experience
in
Idaho
with
as
many
people
as
possible.
AH
We
are
serious
about
providing
world-class
customer
service
and
making
world-class
wines.
In
the
short
18
months
our
Tasting
Room
has
been
in
business.
We
have
been
honored
and
humbled
to
have
already
won
18
medals
for
our
wines.
We
have
already
won
Best
in
Class
with
three
of
our
wines:
five
gold
medals,
two
Platinum
medals
and
two
double
platinums.
AH
AI
Madam
chair
Board
of
Commissioners.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Daniel
Pasquale
reside
at
8331,
West
Quarry
Court
in
Boise,
so
I
left
the
United
States
Marine
Corps
about
a
year
ago
in
order
to
return
home
and
be
involved
in
our
family
business
Our
Family
Winery
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
I
am
enrolled
at
in
UC
Davis's
analogy
program
and
I've
been
learning
farming
ever
since
it
is
a
fun
industry.
But
it
is
a
lot
of
work
with
a
lot
of
moving
parts.
AI
Even
tonight
has
been
surprising,
we're
just
we're
a
small
business,
we're
a
small
business
family
and
have
been
for
years.
Our
family
businesses
have
contributed
to
the
economy
throughout
the
entire
state
of
Idaho
and
Washington.
For
the
past
20
years
we
have
employed
hundreds
of
people
and
have
the
opportunity
to
impact
hundreds
of
families
over
that
time.
AI
Small
businesses
at
the
heart
of
Idaho's
business
Community
much
of
that
has
revolved
around
farming
and
ranching
for
decades
as
Idaho
changes.
I
cannot
imagine
a
better
tribute
to
its
history
than
continuing
that
farming
that
farming
wine,
grapes,
wine
grapes
provided
the
opportunity
to
to
sustainably
farm
and
produce
a
product
wine
that
is
economically
viable
and
maintain
and
add
to
the
beauty
of
the
eagle
Foothills.
If
Idaho
loses
its
farm
and
a
small
business
Heritage,
it
will
lose
its
identity.
We
cannot
afford
to
allow
that
to
happen.
AI
I'm
looking
forward
to
having
my
kids,
making
wine
and
carrying
out
the
family
business
as
well.
One
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
addressed
was
the
I
guess.
The
purpose
I
feel
for
having
events
at
the
wine
at
the
vineyard,
as
is
kind
of
being
skewed
into.
We
want
to
throw
these
wild
parties
out
there
when
that's
not
really
what
it
is
at
all
I
I
work
in
The,
Tasting
Room
at
on
a
regular
basis,
as
does
Savannah
Logan
and
Zach,
who
are
sitting
behind
me.
AI
Samantha
was
the
tasting
manager
for
a
while
and,
as
all
of
them
can
can
attest
that
people
who
come
into
the
tasting
room
when
we
start
to
talk
about
where
the
fruit
comes
from,
where
the
wine
is
made
it
it's
always
very
exciting
for
them
to
hear
that
it
comes
from
Evil
and
the
ability
to
draw
the
connection
between
the
vineyard,
the
winery
and
The
Tasting
Room
is
difficult
in
Garden
City
and
it's
a
big
deal
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
that
as
a
winery,
and
that
is
our
that's.
AI
The
main
goal
of
having
events
at
the
wire
at
the
vineyard
is
to
be
able
to
share
the
beauty
of
the
area
to
be
able
to
let
people
drink
the
wine
from
where
it
was
grown,
not
to
have
wild
parties
with
loud
music
and
drunk
drivers.
We
interact
with
our
members
on
a
daily
basis
and
if
any
of
you
drink
wine
yourselves
or
spend
any
time
at
wineries,
I'm
I'm
sure
you
know
that
for
the
most
part
wine
people,
wine
drinkers,
are
very
tame
and
it's
a
very
calm
environment.
F
Okay,
perfect
awesome
awesome.
My
name
is
Trey
buickert
5446,
Highway,
16,
Eagle
Idaho
I'm,
here
in
support
of
the
Rolling
Hills
project.
I
heard
arguments
earlier
for
agriculture
only
Vineyards
in
Ada
County
in
some
previous
testimony
that
was
put
forth.
The
truth
is,
is
that
agriculture
in
and
by
itself,
is
no
longer
sustainable
in
Ada
County.
It
cannot
compete
against
the
pressure
of
development
of
new
homes.
I
know
this
because
I
have
seven
acres
of
Vineyard
myself.
F
The
only
way
for
agriculture
to
be
sustainable
in
our
county
is
for
us
to
allow
value-added
entities
such
as
wineries
tasting
rooms,
Flower
Farms,
truffle,
tastings,
whatever
it
might
be.
Otherwise,
agriculture,
some
of
us
here
Advocate,
will
die.
I
also
want
to
ask:
do
we
want
our
and
I
say
that
our
County
to
turn
into
LA
county
or
would
prefer
a
model
similar
to
Temecula,
Paso,
Robles,
Napa
Sonoma,
or
something
like
that?
I
know
that
my
answer
is
so
I
ask
you
to
support
the
pasculi's
project.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AJ
I'm
a
neighbor
of
the
vineyard
I
live
at
5150,
North,
soaring
Lane,
so
I'm
just
over
about
a
thousand
feet
from
the
vineyard
I'm
above
the
vineyard,
in
the
hills
and
just
by
way
of
context,
you
have
to
understand
the
the
setting
of
The
Hills
creates
the
natural
Amphitheater
type
environment,
where
you
can
hear
quite
clearly
the
noise
from
the
the
properties
around
and,
and
my
concern
is,
first
of
all,
as
your
staff
member
said,
the
cup
is,
in
essence,
special
permission.
AJ
Okay,
this
is
not
an
issue
of
property
rights
because
the
the
special
permission
beyond
the
normal
uses
that
are
allowed.
So
that's
what
a
cup
is
and
he's
asking
for
special
permission.
He
shouldn't
get
special
permission
because
it
does
adversely
affect
our
property
values
and
our
property
rights,
our
quiet
enjoyment
of
the
land.
As
as
John
Steele
said
you
don't
want
to
live
next
to
a
in
events
that
are
also,
let's
just
have
a
reality
check.
I
mean
he's,
got
four
acres.
AJ
You
just
heard
testimony
from
from
a
winemaker
that
she
has
two
acres
just
for
personal
use.
Five
four
acres
is
not
is
not
sustainable,
as
you
know,
for
for
a
Vineyard
or
production.
Okay.
So
really
what
we're
left
with
is
he's
he's,
got
no
tasting
room
right,
we've
already
established
that
and
he
has
no
wine
making
on
site.
So
he
just
has
vines.
He
has
four
acres
of
vines,
but
according
to
the
staff's
interpretation
of
of
the
current
code,
that
makes
him
a
winery
I,
don't
agree
with
that
and
I.
AJ
We
recently
had
an
appeal
of
3
100
Sellers
and
we
were
able
to
get
very
significant
reduction
in
the
hours
of
operation
and
much
more
strict
terms
from
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
than
we
got
at
planning
and
zoning,
and
these
terms
that
that
are
in
this
application
are
way
too
liberal
way
too
lenient,
and
we
can't
just
rely
on
the
fact
that
Mr
pasculi
is
going
to
be
a
nice
guy
and
not
abuse
them
this
once
the
CP
is
issued,
it
runs
with
the
land,
someone
could
buy
the
property
and
they
could
abuse
it,
and
the
fact
is
that
from
10
a.m,
to
10
pm
is
entirely
too
long,
and
my
recollection
at
3100
is
hearing
they're
restricted,
like
7
PM.
AJ
AJ
You
could
have
like
from
10
to
4
pm
or
from
1
to
7
PM,
not
from
10
a.m,
to
10
pm
that's
12
hours,
so
these
are
all
conditions
that
really
need
to
be
tightened
up,
because
you
have
to
be
written
assuming
that
someone
might
not
be
such
a
nice
guy
and
might
abuse
them
also
I
think
it
was
commissioner
Birch
asked
about
the
Amplified
music
and
you
noticed
how
Coy
Mr
pasculi
was.
We
have
to
be
very
concerned
about
this.
AJ
Up,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
yeah,
so
I
just
say
this.
You
know
the
way
it's
written
now
it
could
be
made
into
a
concert.
Venue,
Thirty,
One
hundred
dollars
had
no
music
and
no
Amplified
noise
allowed
in
their
conditions
that
were
issued
by
the
board
of
County,
Commissioners
and
I.
Think
you
should
restrict
them
in
a
similar
manner.
H
O
AK
Yes,
this
is
John
ibrugert
I
live
at
5446,
highway,
16.
I'm,
the
owner
of
dude,
DeWalt
Sellers,
and
the
winemaker
out
there
I
am
I,
am
calling
to
support
to
ask
you
to
support
the
pasculis
in
their
their
Cup
today
they
I
gotta,
tell
you
this
is
this
is
so
small
that
they're
asking
you
for
and
I
know
that
neighbors
are
looking
at
this
and
rolling
their
eyes,
but
if
they
had
Vineyards
and
and
wineries,
they
would
realize
that
this
24
events
and
50
people
would
not
sustain
a
winery
on
its
own.
AK
So
the
way
I
look
at
this
is
the
rolling
Rolling
Hills
has
its
its
Tasting
Room
in
Garden
City.
All
this
is
going
to
allow
them
to
do
is
to
bring
a
few
people
out
and
showcase
their
Vineyard
to
very
small
groups
on
in
a
very
quiet
setting.
You
know,
I
hear
all
over
and
over
again
that
people
don't
want
any
music
being
played.
AK
They
don't
want
to
hear
music,
they
want,
they
don't
want
to
hear
people
laughing
and
yet,
as
individuals,
we
have
that
right
to
have
music
playing
in
our
backyards
and
every
single
day,
and
the
only
thing
that
stops
US
is
the
10
o'clock
noise
ordinance,
and
that
is
that
is
where
the
adverse
impact
starts.
People
adverse-
what
is
the
difference
between
an
impact
and
an
adverse
impact?
I
see
Mr
Hill's
house
newly
built
next
to
my
house.
That's
that's
an
impact
for
me.
Is
it
an
adverse
impact?
AK
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it.
Is
there
anybody
else
in
the
room
who
has
not
spoken?
Who
would
like
to
speak?
Raise
your
hand.
I'm
gonna,
put
the
lady
right
here
in
the
purple
and
if
you
want
to
speak,
go
ahead
and
come
forward
to
this
front
row.
If
you
haven't
spoken
yet
and
then
I
can
call
on
you.
A
T
T
Non-Public
businesses
like
Agriculture
and
ranching,
are
already
traditionally
allowed
for
obvious
reasons
and
promote
promote
a
traditional
American
Farm
to
Table
lifestyle.
As
stewards
of
the
public
trust.
We
implore
you
to
protect
these
values
that
many
cherish
over
the
desires
for
profits.
For
a
few.
T
We
have
already
designed
a
system
where
they
can
operate
and
open
to
the
public
business
in
a
zoned
area.
Designed
for
that
purpose,
we
do
not
want
the
negative
impacts
of
the
noise,
the
traffic,
the
alcohol
everything
you've
heard
tonight
and
impaired
drivers
where
our
children
grow
up.
This
neighborhood
is
where
we
live.
Our
homes
are
here.
Furthermore,
Rolling
Hills
is
asking
for
a
long
hours
10
to
10
and
24
events,
mainly
they're,
going
to
be
in
the
summer
so
every
weekend.
T
A
AL
Thank
you,
I'm
Ryan,
altberg
I
live
at
4940
North,
soaring
Lane,
which
is
about
a
thousand
feet
away
from
where
that
Winery
is
so
I
just
had
a
few
comments
when
it
was
spoken.
So
one
of
the
comments
was
everyone
keeps
complaining
that,
like
no,
not
allowing
this
Winery
through,
would
somehow
harm
the
agriculture
business,
no
one's
stopping
them
from
growing
any
grapes.
AL
It's
more
just
the
noise
that
this
business
produces
and
I
underst
I've
heard
that
by
not
having
a
Tasting
Room
that
impacts
the
production
of
the
winery,
but
they
this
family
already
has
a
off-site
Tasting
Room
in
Garden
City.
So
there's
that
and
then
another
concern
I
have
is
that
I'm
under
the
impression
that
infrastructure
for
outside
events
of
50
people
does
not
currently
exist.
So
this
would
contradict
the
statement
that
extra
infrastructure
would
not
be
necessary
because
currently,
there's
not
anything
and
so
will
tents
or
other
outside
equipment.
AL
We
need
to
be
set
up
and
what
about
catering?
Because
that's
going
to
make
an
impact
as
well
and
then
finally
I've
noticed
that
a
lot
of
the
people
in
support
of
the
business
do
not
actually
live
in
the
surrounding
area.
They
tend
to
have
a
conflict
of
interest
that
they're
actually
Winery
owners
and
perform
at
winery
events,
and
it's
kind
of
as
if
I
was
to
say
ice.
A
business
should
be
built
by
there
house,
but
I
really
have
no
say
in
that,
since
I
don't
live
by
them
and
yeah.
AM
Kenneth
Hebert
2396,
West,
Buckhorn,
Court,
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners
I
oppose
the
CU
first,
it
would
allow
events
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
Second,
there
shouldn't
be
events
held
outside.
This
will
impact
the
neighboring
properties
with
noise.
Third
people
continue
to
say
that
the
geography
of
the
foothill
area
sound
will
not
travel.
That's
a
lie.
This
past
summer
there
was
two
wedding
events
at
you
know:
family
events
that
people
had
weddings
there
and
a
mile
away.
AM
I
could
hear
him
over
my
own
conversations,
so
one
was
actually
up
on
a
hill
and
one
was
in
a
Gulch
or
if
this
brings
more
burden
to
a
neighborhood,
then
it
will
bring
income
to
the
county.
The
Tasting,
Room
and
Garden
City
is
where
the
county
will
see
the
income
fifth
have
an
events,
educational
events,
dinners
make
it
a
commercial
establishment
and
a
wine
tasting
Event
Center
does
not
fall
under
the
Right
to
Farm
Act.
AM
The
battle
should
be
why
Val,
Nova,
AKA
Spring
Valley
is
is
not
is
actually
being
built
in
the
eagle
Ava
area
and
where
these
this
is
where
the
wineries
should
be
going
and
the
Idaho
Commissioners
and
all
the
people
in
favor
of
wineries
should
be
at
the
meetings
at
Eagle
Council
meetings
and
attending
them
and
trying
to
fight
this.
AM
That
would
show
a
lot
of
proof
in
what
they
care
about
the
wine
industry,
but
they're
not
I,
go
to
every
single
meeting.
I
haven't
seen
one
person
from
the
winery
event
commission
or
anyone
in
favor
of
wineries.
Talking
on
that
note
about
the
Ava
area,
but
instead
you
want
to
take
a
residential
neighborhood
and
turn
it
into
a
Winer
wine
location
and
turn
our
neighborhood
into
Festival
ground.
AM
There
is
nothing
in
the
code
saying
that
you
have
to
approve
on.
There
is
nothing
in
in
code,
saying
you
have
to
approve
on-site
tasting
rooms
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Under
the
land
use
planning
act,
you
have
to
consider
tasting
rooms
in
other
offset
off-site
locations,
rather
than
going
from
an
off-site
Tasting
Room
to
an
on-site
Tasting
Room
and
as
far
as
property
rights
go
property
owners
have
the
right
to
do
what
they
want
with
their
property.
As
long
as
it
does
not
put
a
burden
on
other
neighbors.
AM
They
can
continue
to
grow.
Grapes
have
family
time,
tandem
pick
and
grapes.
They
do
not
need
a
conditional
use
to
do
that
with
all
the
respect
to
the
Commissioners.
The
direction
of
this
neighborhood
is
in
your
hands
and
it
is
slowly
becoming
a
commercial
Festival
location
rather
than
a
residential
neighborhood
because
of
your
guys's
decisions.
Thank.
AN
Barb
jackell
2862
North
Haven
Drive
in
2007
to
08
our
area
was
designated
as
viticulture
and,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
there
was
no
public
notice
or
opportunity
for
input.
Prior
to
that
designation,
there
should
be
a
decision
that
reflects
repeated
opposition
testimonies
to
these
businesses
that
demand
above
existing
rural
residential
use.
My
property
rights
count
two
and
in
2003,
for
when
I
bought
my
home,
the
comprehensive
Plan
called
for
committing
to
keeping
the
rural
nature
the
rural
character
of
eagle
in
place.
AN
Okay,
so
that
was
told
to
me
as
a
property
right
rule
takes
a
broad
area
to
truly
exist
and
maintain,
and
with
our
acreages
Wildlife
Rome
and
make
homes.
That's
just
a
part
of
life
there.
That's
home
value
to
us,
low
volume,
traffic
and
driving
safely
is
a
big
part
of
why
it
works
for
them
to
do
so.
AN
Commercial
can't
be
Diversified
into
a
community
and
then
it
still
retain
its
rural
element.
Most
property
owners
in
our
area
have
committed
already
huge
funds
to
maintaining
their
property.
It
is
five
acre
and
plus
zoning
from
Beacon
Light
North.
You
know
Highway
1655.,
that's
a
bunch
of
five
Acre
Properties
and
we're
all
managing
to
maintain
our
homes,
we're
not
going
to
crumble
and
fall
apart
and
sell
out.
We
all
put
in
a
lot
of
money
to
our
properties.
AN
It's
not
going
to
crumble
and
fall.
We've
kept
it
rural
for
decades
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
They
people
that
are
homeowners.
There
are
already
carrying
that
ball.
We'd
rather
keep
what
we
have
maintaining
our
agriculture,
maintaining
our
land.
It's
not
a
tourist
Zone
at
25
events
a
year.
That's
seven
months
spread.
He
said
from
April
to
October,
that's
three
plus
a
month
they
average
about
one.
Every
10
days
now.
You've
already
allowed
two
businesses
on
my
street
that
have
portable
outhouses
they're
talking
about
portable
outhouses.
AN
How
many
portable
outhouses
are
going
to
become
a
part
of
our
neighborhood?
It's
been
downplayed
how
many
events
will
really
be
and
how?
What
we'll
attend,
but
we
all
know,
what's
written
into
cup,
that's
what
they
get
and
then
they
talked
about
parking
and
it's
in
this
on
Section
17.
If
the
applicant
submits
an
off-site
parking
plan
showing
how
parking
will
be
accommodated
for
events
with
up
to
50
attendees,
then
the
maximum
tenants
for
events
can
be
50
attendees.
So
what
is
their
plan
in
place
for
that?
AN
Have
plans
been
made
already
with
a
van
Transport
company
and
again
with
other
cups
that
were
mentioned.
Many
people
testified
that
were
on
other
business
owners
are
had
similar
business
interests.
Thank
you.
A
A
H
Some
Aaron
chairs
with
a
fence,
that's
along
a
property
boundary.
It
would
be
a
kid.
You
know
a
six
foot
tall
fence
and
so
it'd
be
up
to
the
paschoolies
to
present
a
fence
design.
You
know
for
that,
so
basically
be
a
solid
fence
and
that's
maybe
something
that
the
schools
maybe
could
work
with
the
next
door
neighbor
to
find
a
hopefully
a
fence
that
would
both
parties
would
agree
to
or-
and
that
could
be
a
condition
of
approval
if
you
so
choose
to
approve
this
application.
H
H
Be
a
six
foot
tall,
basically
enclosed
I
mean.
Y
A
Y
Y
A
neighbor
to
decide
what
happens
on
the
property
to
that
effect
might
slippery
difficult
position.
I,
certainly
think
you
could
ask
them
to
consult
the
neighbor.
Ultimately,
staff
has
to
approve
the
design
of
that
through
the
review
of
the
master
site
plan
Landscaping
plan.
That
would
be
a
part
of
this.
Is
that
correct,
so.
H
Basically,
with
this
one,
we
could
have
a
separate
condition
where
you
know
the
director
approves
of
the
privacy
fence.
So
something
just
basic
like
that,
and
then
we
can
encourage
the
applicant
to
work
with
the
neighbor
to
come
up
with
a
design.
And
if
the
neighbor
doesn't
want
to
play
ball,
then
it
doesn't
affect
the
applicant.
They
can
submit
a
design
that
we
approve.
A
I
I
know
on
a
lot
of
our
other
applications.
We've
seen
the
like
discussion
of
Amplified,
music,
and
so
can
you
is
there?
Have
we
had
any
conversations
about
Amplified,
music
or.
H
Well-
and
we
still
have
I
just
saw
you
you're
aware
of
Manchester,
we
still
have
the
rebel
for
the
applicant,
so
the
applicant
still
needs
to
do
their
rebuttal,
so
that
might
be
a
question
that
the
applicant
can
address
in
their
rebuttal.
You
could
definitely,
you
know,
have
a
condition
of
approval.
H
You
know
about
Amplified
music,
so
maybe
there's
a
certain
volume
you
have
and
then
also
you
know.
Obviously
he
has
a
wide
range
of
hours
that
he
can
have
the
event.
So
maybe
you
could
also
put
a
condition
where
the
events
are
no
longer
than
three
hours.
You
know
and
one
event
a
day
within
that
you
know
12-hour
time
period.
So
that's
something
else
that
you
as
a
commission
could
have
as
a
condition
of
approval.
A
Can
you
or
do
you
remember
the
conditions
for
the
31
sellers
that
the
Commissioners
ended
up
with
in
terms
of
hours
and
like
what
was
an
event?
It's
a
three-hour
event,
four-hour
event,
I.
Y
Madam,
chair
I
did
work
on
that
appeal.
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
quote
those
hours
here
for
you
to
adopt,
because
it's
that's
been
quite
a
while
I
mean
you
could
always
ask
staff
to
go
research
that
I
will
say
with
the
conditional
use
you
kind
of
need
to
look
at
each
one
individually
and
not
build
them
off
of
each
other.
So
up
to
you
to
decide
what's
appropriate,
but
I
think
you
could
table
this.
If
you
wanted
that
information,
we
could
certainly
provide
that
as
part
of
a
presentation.
A
Yeah
and
maybe
we'll
ask
the
applicant
what
what
hours,
what
Windows
of
Music
they
would
or
what
Windows
of
operations
they
would
consider
an
event.
So
you
know
what
I'm
sorry
that
we
don't
allow
that
at
this
point
we
get
to
ask
questions
to
the
staff
and
we
get
to
talk
to
the
applicant,
and
so,
if
you
wanted
to
go,
tell
the
applicant
this
whatever
you
want
to
say.
That
would
be
fine,
but.
H
I
mean
typically
with
with
Soundbar
Frank.
It
typically
is
is
Landscaping.
So
it's
it's
some
sort
of
landscaping.
So
I
know
you
know
for
this
property.
Obviously
you
know
they
have
a
big
Financial
investment
with
the
vines
they
already
have
and
so
aesthetically
it
looks
very
you
know
from
the
street.
It
looks
very
pretty
I,
don't
know
if
they're
and
maybe
that's
something
to
ask
the
applicant.
If
there's
anything
against
like
that
in
Northern,
you
know
product
line
by
the
privacy
fence
that
there
could
do
additional
Landscaping
there.
H
H
H
Audience
we
require
a
one
parking
space
per
1000
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area,
so
it
doesn't
really
address.
You
know
number
of
attendants
like
for
a
winery.
The
parking
stairs
really
don't
address
the
number
of
patrons.
You
know
at
a
particular
event.
H
I
would
say
you
know
you
know
at
the
minimum.
You
would
need.
At
least
you
know
if
we
say
four
people
to
a
car
and
we
have
50
events
that
would
be
kind
of
a
little
bit
late
with
the
mat
I
mean
if
you
have
two
people
to
a
car,
it'd
be
like
25
parking
spaces,
so
I
would
say
you
probably
need
you
know
in
the
neighborhood
of
probably
you
know
at
least
you
know,
probably
around
20,
to
25
parking
spaces.
A
You
my
question
is
just
to
clarify
the
parking
plan
that
was
submitted,
wasn't
adequate,
and
so
the
applicant
is
going
to
submit
a
new
parking
plan
to
the
staff
for
approval.
H
So
what
some
ma'am
share
with
in
regards
to
the
parking
you
know.
So
basically
you
know
they
had.
You
know
five
parking
spaces
and
we
said
okay
through
as
staffs
interpret,
you
know
looking
analysis
of
the
application,
we
could
say
you
could
have
up
to
20
people,
because,
okay,
if
you
have
five
spaces,
you
can
have
okay
carpool
and
have
four
people
in
each
car
and
that'd
be
up
to
five.
H
If
you
go
beyond
the
the
you
know,
20
people,
then
you
would
need
to
have
like
a
shuttle.
So
you
you
know:
if
you're
going
to
have
50
people
and
you're
only
gonna
have
five
parking
spaces.
Maybe
they
could
park
at
The,
Tasting
Room
that
they
have
in
downtown
Eagle
and
they
have
a
shuttle
that
takes
the
patrons
up
to
the
winery
itself
up
to
the
vineyard,
and
that
would
be
a
way
to
address
the
parking.
H
And
so
that's
a
proposed
condition
of
approval
is
if
they
have
events
that
are
going
to
have
more
than
20
people,
we
still
they
need
to
provide
us
an
off-site
parking
plan,
so
the
parking's
gonna
be
either
in
downtown
Eagle
or
at
the.
Let's
say
the
parking
lot
Home
Depot
on
State
Street.
They
would
need
to
provide
us
a
plan
and
then
we
would
need
to
approve
of
that
plan
through
the
condition
of
approval.
A
A
Q
H
A
AA
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Commissioners.
Development
services
got
a
lot
to
go
through
here
in
five
minutes.
The
restrictions
on
3100
sellers
render
the
conditional
use
permit
not
functional
from
a
business
perspective.
That
was
the
worst
outcome,
as
a
business
owner
I
could
imagine
if
ever
seen,
they'll
never
be
able
to
thrive
under
that
permit
on
the
fence
agreement
with
the
neighbors
be
happy
to
work
with
development
services.
I
completely
agree
with
Leon.
If
that's
left,
to
be
negotiated
with
the
neighbors,
we'll
never
get
an
agreement
on
the
fence.
AA
As
far
as
the
noise
you
can
hear.
Firebird
Raceway
from
our
house
I
hear
lawn
mowers,
motorcycles,
the
neighbors
just
to
our
North,
a
little
to
the
east.
They
love
to
have
parties,
God
bless
them
they're
out
there
way
past
10
o'clock,
they
have
fun.
I
can
close
my
door
and
go
to
sleep
part
of
living
with
people.
AA
AA
As
far
as
there
was
another
thing
that
was
brought
up
earlier,
I
would
encourage
any
citizen
of
Ada
County
to
take
a
look
at
the
planning
maps
in
the
acht
growth
plans,
because,
if
there's
anybody
that
can
look
at
that
and
not
rationally
conclude
that
there
are
going
to
be
thousands
of
homes,
north
of
eagle,
you're
kidding
yourselves,
everybody
that
thinks
is
going
to
remain
this
little
pocket
of
paradise
forever
needs
to
look
at
a
map.
Look
who
owns
the
land,
it's
almost
game,
set
and
match.
Now
it's
not
realistic.
AA
However,
each
and
every
time
people
been
allowed
to
personally
attack
the
Integrity
of
small
business
owners.
That's
what's
been
on
trial
based
on
irrelevant
testimony.
That
does
not
relate
to
the
issues
at
hand
and,
at
the
same
time,
there's
been
hardly
any
attempts
to
stop
unhinged
testimony
with
one
aim:
only
demeaning
the
property
owner
to
meeting
the
business
owner
and
demeaning
the
wine
industry.
AA
AA
AA
Aren't
we
tired
of
the
silent
minority
hoisting
their
beliefs
regarding
property
rights
and
other,
and
people's
Liberties
on
others.
I,
don't
mind
the
opposition,
but
it
doesn't
need
to
be
personal.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
vindictive
I'm
abusing
my
position
as
a
wine
commissioner.
The
position
I
don't
get
paid
for
and
spend
hours
I.
AA
C
AA
So,
but
there
is
a
a
couple:
good
possibilities
with
that
and
I
think
there
are
ways
on
site
be
more
than
happy
to
meet
anybody
out
there
that
we
need
to
meet
out
there
and
actually
walk
the
property
and
look
at
how
the
parking
would
be
laid
out.
We're
the
last
people
that
want
the
parking
to
be
awkward
for
the
neighbors
or
ourselves,
or
people
coming
and
going
I.
Think
there's
a
good
way
to
get
to
that.
But
I
think
that
will
probably
require
more
conversation
and
like
a.
C
Physical
site
visit
totally
and
Madam
chair
go
ahead.
Megan,
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
opposition
did
mention
the
hours
of
operation
being
10
to
10
how
they
would
be
appreciative
of
it.
Being
you
know
more
towards
like
that,
six
to
seven
p.m.
Ish
frame.
Is
that
something
you're
open
to,
or
do
you
think
that's
something
that
would
you
know,
impact
the
actual
ability
to
host
events,
yeah.
AA
Like
I
said
we
originally,
we
were
originally
questioning
the
open
208
days
a
year,
208
days
a
year,
now
we're
requesting
24..
What
we
would
be
agreeable
is
to
a
four
hour
window
for
an
event.
If
that
was
going
to
be
10.
That
would
be
two.
If
it's
going
to
be
six,
it's
going
to
be
10.,
but
to
take
that
flexibility
to
create
events
would
be
difficult.
Z
C
Would
you
also
potentially
be
open
to
the
idea
and
again,
or
would
this
potentially
be
too
restrictive
for
it
to
be
successful,
as
you
imagine
an
additional
condition
about
only
one
event
per
week?
If
you
decide
to
you
know
in
the
summer
you
know
it's
gorgeous
month,
so
you
want
to
do
a
lot
of
events
that
month,
but
only
do
one
a
week,
yeah.
AA
Madam
chair
commissioner
Exton
yeah
I'd
have
to
say
no
okay,
based
on
the
fact
that
again,
I
want
to
emphasize.
We
are
requesting
the
bare
minimum.
C
A
Q
How
many
events
in
a
day,
so
you
said
you're
you're,
blocking
them
out
how
many
blocks
of
time
I
just
want
to
clear,
because
I've
heard
like
three
hours,
four
hours
I
just
want
to
kind
of
clarify
what
you're
you're
looking
at
or
if
it
would
just
be
a
full
day
for
one
group
or
something
like
that.
Yeah.
AA
N
N
Q
Ahead,
what
what
do
you
anticipate?
We
hear
a
lot
about
loud
music
and
when
we
hear
loud,
music,
I
envision
like
driving,
concerts
venues
or
something
like
that.
What
do
you
envision
your
wineries,
music
at
its
loudest
to
be
like
what
what
event
would
be
considered
your
loudest
and
I
know
you
had
one
of
your
children's
weddings
there?
Obviously
that's
a
that's
a
separative
thing,
but
I'm
just
wondering
like
is
that
another
wedding
gonna
come
and
be
driving
loud
music
with
DJs.
Or
are
you
just
talking
about
the
ambient
atmospheric
music
within
the
winery.
AA
Well,
we
do
have
two
other
kids,
so
I'm
not
going
to
stand
here
today
and
promise
you
that
we're
not
going
to
have
two
other
weddings
with
a
DJ,
but
I
would
also
pose
to
the
commission
that
if
you
were
in
the
same
position,
what
would
you
do
as
it
relates
to
winery
operations?
That's
a
different
thing.
AA
You
know
the
we
play
Amplified
music
outside
all
the
time
nobody's
ever
said
a
word
about
it
because
it
doesn't
carry
because
it's
under
the
porch,
so
yeah,
it's
background
music,
but
it's
certainly
not
at
a
decibel
level
where
it
would
create
any
concern.
So
to
say
that
I
would
be
willing
to
sacrifice
the
background
music
because
of
some
claim
that
it's
going
to
be
that
loud
that
that's
not
what
happens.
AA
No
and
the
other
point
I'd
like
to
make
commissioner
Skies
relates
to
that,
is
you
get
a
lot
of
these
instances
where
you
know
people
think
these
things
are
just
gonna
morph
when
if
you
get
a
conditional
use
permit
and
it
has
conditions
if
you
ever
want
to
stray
from
those
conditions
or
expand
those
conditions,
you're
required
to
file
an
application
to
either
modify
or
to
get
another
conditional
use
permit.
So
this
whole
concept
that
it's
going
to
morph
because
of
this
little
conditional
use
permit
is,
is
misplaced.
J
On
the
so
on,
your
Tasting
Room
are
most
of
your
events
and
the
tasting
is
it
outside
or
is
it
going
to
be
in
your
tasting
room?
Are
they
going
to
be
outside
in
the
back
yeah.
AA
Madam
chair
commissioner
Wickstrom
yeah,
there
seems
to
be
you
know
these
events
would
be
outdoors
they're
going
to
be
on
the
south
side
of
our
property,
as
it
relates
to
the
PRI,
the
fence,
to
the
north
development
services
that
bring
that
up.
We
put
in
our
proposal
from
the
start
at
a
courtesy
to
our
neighbor
to
the
north,
so
we're
the
ones
that
initiated
defense
being
there
anything
that's
an
event
outside
happens
all
the
way.
On
the
other
side
on
the
south
lawn
of
the
property.
AA
J
Yeah
and
then
the
last
would
be
will
having
or
not
having
events
make
or
break
your
operations.
You
seem
to
have
been
pretty.
AA
J
AA
No
I
think
Meredith
spoke
to
it
really.
Well,
it's
an
Inc.
You
do
the
business
because
you're
passionate
about
the
business,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
make
money
at
it,
you
have
to
monetize
it.
So,
yes,
it
would
have
a
significant
impact
on
our
ability
to
prosper
in
the
business,
because
you
can
make
any
analogy
you
want
to
a
brewery
or
whatever
the
wine
industry
is
built
around
people
wanting
to
see
the
vines.
AA
AA
AA
You
have
to
be
able
to
make
the
customer
connection
to
where
the
fruit
comes
from,
and
that
is
a
critical
part
of
this
business
and
for
it
to
be
downplayed
of
just
put
people
in
a
square
there's,
of
course,
those
are
great
venues.
The
you
know
the
the
area
in
Garden
City,
the
urban
District,
those
all
play
a
part
of
the
industry,
but
it's
critical
to
make
consumer
connection
between
where
that
bottle
of
wine
comes
from
and
where
the
grapes
are
grown.
J
A
I
appreciate
that
you,
you
commented
about
the
four
hour
window.
That
seems
reasonable
to
me,
so
I
appreciate
that
the
Amplified
music
music
has
been
a
big,
a
big,
a
big
concern.
So
do
you
have
any
other
suggestions?
Besides
what
we've
seen
on
other
applications,
which
has
been
no
Amplified
music?
That
would
reduce
the
impact
on
your
neighbors.
AA
Well,
I
I
mean
our
one
thing:
I
I
do
understand
from
living
there
like
I
said,
and
we
can
hear
Firebird
Raceway.
You
know
our
neighbors
up.
The
cul-de-sac
can
be
playing
music
while
they're
out
by
their
pool
and
I
can
hear
them
talking
more
than
I
can
hear
their
music.
So
from
the
standpoint
of
you
know,
yes,
I
agree
with
the
DJ.
You
know,
I
understand
that
I
understand
the
announcement
thing,
because
it's
going
to
be
nobody
there
with
microphones
and
everything
we're
talking
about
a
home
system
that
plays
music
on
the
patio.
AA
P
You
know
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
do
you
envision
your
fence
being
made
out
of,
and
do
you
really
think
a
six
foot
sensor,
six
foot
fence
is
going
to
block
that.
AA
P
N
AA
N
A
Now
comes
the
time
in
the
public
meeting
when
I
look
to
the
Commissioners
for
a
motion
to
do
one
of
two
things:
to
approve
the
application
to
deny
the
application
or
to
table
the
application.
Mr
Exton.
C
Yes,
I
like
to
make
a
motion
and
based
upon
the
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
law
contained
here
and
in
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing.
C
I
would
like
to
move
to
approve
project
202201-404cu
MSP,
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
attaches
exhibit
a
and
the
master
site
plan
stamped
on
November
10th
2022,
along
with
the
following
conditions
of
approval,
a
condition
for
a
four
hour
window
for
the
events,
a
condition
that
there
will
be
a
privacy
vent
approved
by
Ada
County
development
services
staff
with
the
direction
to
coordinate
with
the
neighbor
and
then
also
a
two-year
review
period.
Added
to
the
conditional
use
permit
where
the
applicant
will
come
back
in
two
years
for
a
review.
A
Is
there
a
second
for
that
second
has
been
seconded,
so
we've
got
a
chance
to
talk
about
it.
So,
commissioner,
Exton.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
one
thing
that
I
really
do
want
to
stress
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
testimony
stress
and
the
applicant
stressed
as
well
and
looking
at
prior
conditional
use
permits
for
similar
activities
in
this
area.
This
truly
is
the
bare
minimum
from
what
they
could
be
asking
for.
You
know
so
I
do
think.
Restricting
it
even
further
could
be
a
little
a
little
much.
C
You
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
imagine
they're
truly
being
that
much
adverse
impact
in
this
area.
I
am
very
familiar
with
the
eagle
Foothills
area.
You
know,
as
the
applicant
said.
C
C
In
my
experience
with
tasting
rooms,
I've
never
seen
someone,
you
know,
get
completely
inebriated,
you
know
the
word.
I
cannot
say
it
today.
Thank
you
at
a
Tasting
Room,
you
know
and
again
I
do
think.
This
is
a
good
way
of
preserving
that
rural
character.
I
think
you
know,
the
Ava
is
already
there.
It's
already
established
I
think
it
fits
the
character
extremely
well.
You
know,
and
again
all
they're
really
asking
for
is
to
be
able
to
bring
their
customers
and
their
clients
how
they're
on
site,
where
they're
already
growing
the
graves.
P
Yes,
you
know:
I
am
looking
forward
to
see
what
happens
upon
the
review.
I
think
that's
a
great
suggestion.
Excuse
me
and
I
think
24
days
a
year
is
very
reasonable.
I
think
definitely
only
one
event
per
day
at
four
hours
is
manageable
and
I,
like
the
fact
that
the
fence
is
going
to
be
higher
than
what
I
imagined
by
just
looking
at
a
picture.
P
Y
So
if
I
guess,
if
you're
going
to
add
that
as
a
condition,
if
that's
the
the
will
of
the
commission,
can
you
specify
set
up
and
breakdown
and
just
make
sure
that
we're
not
you
know
because
I
get
the
sense,
this
one
will
be
closely
watched
by
neighbors
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
knows
what
to
expect
out
there.
So,
okay.
A
C
A
Q
Yes,
I
also
agree
with
approval.
A
24-year
events
per
year
is,
is
the
minimum?
That's
I
see
that
as
perfectly
reasonable.
It
seems
like
I
know,
there's
this
anchoring
of
the
larger
events,
but
it's
not
like
they
asked
for
half
they
cut
it
significantly,
so
I
think
that
they
have
bent
over
backwards.
This
isn't
a
bar,
despite
what
people
say
in
spirit
nor
in
legal
terms,
this
is
a
this
is
not
a
bar
they're,
not
operating
as
a
bar.
It
complies
with
the
spirit
of
all
the
comp
plans.
Q
The
secondary
use
for
this
plot
is
farm
and
agriculture.
It's
not
recreational,
it's
farm
and
agriculture,
which
is
what
they're
trying
to
do
on
this
plot.
It
is
their
private
property
that
is
always
something
on
the
Forefront
of
my
mind.
Wineries
are
Agriculture
and
I.
Don't
believe,
we'd
be
having
this
as
much
of
a
problem
with
this
if
it
was
like,
if
they
were
trying
to
grow
wheat
or
something
like
that,
there's
this
perception
of
what
wineries
are
and
I
I
disagree
with
that
for
Public
Safety.
Q
If
it
was
a
concern,
I
would
think
that
the
city
of
eagle
and
other
organizations
would
have
come
forward
when
the
staff
did
their
fine,
they're
they're.
Looking
into
this,
they
would
have
come
forward
and
said
they
have
a
problem
with
this.
This
is
their
Community.
Yet
the
city
of
eagle
has
no
problem
with
this
from
a
safety
or
use
Prospect,
it
does
fall
Within
and
economic
and
Environmental
and
Cultural
respect
with
an
eagle
I'm
a
product
of
Eagle.
Q
So
I'm
I
fully
believe
that
if
they're
within
the
spirit
of
what
Eagle
is
about
their
hours,
are
within
noise
ordinance
rules,
I
mean
we're
not
trying
to
rewrite
code.
Here
then
they're
going
to
operate
within
noise,
ordinance
rules
and
the
reality
is
is
they
could
be
using
large
farm
equipment
if
it
was
for
threshing
wheat
or
something
like
that
on
their
property?
So
I
fully
believe
that
they
will
be
fine
from
a
noise
perspective
as
best
as
they
can
the
fact
that
they're
not
using
anything
but
their
home
speakers.
Q
They
would
be
well
within
their
right
to
crank
their
home
speakers
every
single
day
if
they
saw
fit
and
you
go
and
the
rest
of
the
community
would
have
to
deal
with
it,
because
that
is
the
code.
That
is
how
we
operate
within
the
code.
I
reject
the
lower
property
value
argument,
I've
researched
this
heavily
both
previously
when
we
got
the
notes,
but
also
as
we
were
speaking,
there
has
never
been
any
time.
Q
In
fact,
Vineyard
property
values
are
incredibly
like
ridiculous,
High
speaking
on
the
parking,
they
only
needed
to
add
one
within
the
code.
Again
we
operate
within
code,
but
they
said
that
they're
going
to
add
five,
including
Ada
parking,
so
they're
falling
within
that.
So
I
see
nothing
wrong
with
what's
going
on
with
this,
this
approval
here
and
I
I
wholeheartedly
approve
it.
Thank.
D
D
D
If
you
approve
this,
they
will
be
back
and
they
will
be
asking
for
more
and
that's
precisely
what
happened
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
later,
the
same
group
was
back
and
they
said
well,
we
did
get
this,
and
now
we
would
like
more
than
that,
regardless
of
what
we
decide
here,
it
is
in
all
likelihood
it's
going
to
be
appealed
if
we
denied
it,
it
would
be
appealed
by
the
pastouis.
If
we
approve
it,
it's
likely
to
be
appealed
by
the
by
the
residents
and
so
I
oppose
it.
G
N
G
I
mean
I'm
I'm
for
it
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
reasons
why
I
think
one
property
rights
is
a
big
thing
for
me
and
you
know
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I'm
looking
at
the
Google,
Earth
and
and
I
I.
Think
the
excuse
me
if
I
say
it
wrong,
pescatellis
and
and
how
they've
done
their
property
and
what
they've
considered
I
believe
they've
considered
their
neighbors
I
mean
I'm.
Looking
events
are
going
to
be
on
the
South
Side.
G
It
is
geographically
the
farthest
it
can
be
from
all
three
houses
in
that
area,
so
I
think
their
consideration
of
their
neighbors
is
is
more
than
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
do
and
with
that
being
said,
there's
there's
nothing
saying
that
I
mean
back
in
the
day.
G
You
could
have
that
and
they're
not
doing
that.
So
again,
it
goes
back.
To
my
biggest
thing
is:
is
is
property
rights
and,
and
you
know
what
I
mean
I
get
it
I
get
it's
a
fine
line,
but
yeah
I'm.
Definitely
for
it.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
drove
by
the
property
today,
and
it's
spectacular,
it's
very
nice,
but
I
I'm
joining
with
commissioner
Burch
and
voting
against
this
I
I.
Think
I
probably
put
in
my
mind
what
it
is.
J
I
have
trouble
with,
not
not
just
in
your
particular
one,
but
just
if
you
buy
a
five
acre
agricultural
lot,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
run
a
profitable
business
on
that
for
the
most
part
and
you're
not
buying
it
traditionally,
you're
not
buying
that
in
order
to
start
a
business
or
to
be
very
small,
because
there's
just
not
enough
land
there
to
do
anything
on
it's
going
to
be
for
your
own
personal
use.
The
man
across
the
street
from
this
applicant
he's
got
his
Winery
there
and
he
knows
Winery.
J
He
has
his
Vineyards
there
and
he
sells
it
to
another
Winery
to
to
say
that
we
need
to
have
this
commercial
I
call
it
a
commercial
Venture
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
a
rural
residential
neighborhood.
In
order
to
salvage
my
business
that
I'm
conducting
on
the
property
I
just
I
can't
I,
just
don't
go
along
with
that
at
the
five
acre
parcel.
Is
just
going
to
be
very
difficult:
100
Acre,
parsley
yeah.
They
said
it's
some
sometimes
very
difficult
in
farming
to
to
make
something
profitable
and
you
go
five
acres.
J
You
just
don't
have
enough
there.
It's
kind
of
hypocritical
for
us
I
guess
to
to
have
talk
about
control,
growth
and
and
wanting
growth
to
to
not
be
the
way
it
is,
but
yet
we're
approving.
If
we
approve
this,
we
are
contributing
to
more
growth
by
having
more
traffic.
More
business
going
on
I
mean
there's
that
whole
who
they
have
half
a
dozen
different
little
things
going
on
up
there
now
or
I,
can't
imagine
during
the
summer
at
night.
J
It
must
just
be
noisy
with
all
the
the
different
activities
and
during
the
day,
just
the
traffic
that
goes
on
there.
So
approving
this
we're
contributing
to
to
more
growth
in
that
area
rather
than
preserving
a
rural
residential
area
and
I
can't
quite
reconcile.
I
know
that
those
there's
other
little
people
selling
honey
people
selling
different
things
out
of
their
homes.
You
know
those
are
commercial
and
I.
J
I
can't
distinguish
the
difference
between
that
and
and
having
a
winery
or
having
you
know,
having
selling
wine
on
your
property,
but
there's
to
me
there
is
kind
of
a
difference
there.
J
J
As
far
as
that
connection
that
the
people
the
customers
need
I
was
like
I
I'm
from
that
place
to
the
west
southwest
of
us.
There's
a
Vineyard
called
Jay,
lore
and
they're
in
downtown.
They
have
a
Tasting
Room,
downtown
San
Jose,
far
from
The
Vineyards.
There's
a
wine
place
in
in
star.
That
seems
to
be
full
every
night.
It's
just
a
wine
bar
is
what
it
is.
A
Okay,
has
everybody
talked
so
I'd
like
to
ask
the
person
that
made
the
motion
or
ask
the
other
Commissioners?
If
you
consider
adding
I'd
like
to
see
a
requirement
that
there'll
be
no
food
trucks
because
that's
been
something
that's
come
up
on
other
things
and
I
think
that
would
strengthen
the
motion
and
it's
not
just
for
the
current
owners,
because
this
goes
with
the
property.
And
so
even
though
the
current
owners
I
told
us,
they
don't
have
any
intentions.
A
A
A
C
Commissioner,
Scott
typically
when
we've
done
Motions
like
this
in
the
past,
we
add
the
little
tacon
at
the
end
that
it's
in
regards
to
either
the
event
or
the
business
side.
That
way,
obviously,
if
they're,
just
in
their
backyard
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
just
for
their
own
personal
use,
they
can
obviously
still
have
amplification
like
their
neighbors.
Could
it
would
just
be
for
the
event
itself.
Q
A
J
Would
it
clarified
more
if
you
said
no
amplification
of
live
music
and
professionally
djed
music,
just.
A
Sorry,
sorry
so
yeah
yeah,
nope,
I
I
agree
with
you
for
what
you're
saying,
though
so
you're
saying
you'd
like
to
say.
Instead
of
my
comment
of
no
Amplified
music
Mike
to
you
would
agree
to
something
that
said
no
portable
speakers
or
no
outside
speakers.
N
G
Portable
High,
you
know,
hire
speaker,
you
know,
I
mean
a
little
Boombox
where
I
mean
I
get
that
but
start
you
know
big
portable.
Q
One
is
different:
we
come
into
concerns
of.
How
do
you
define
affordable
speaker
because
it
could
be
right,
I
mean
that's.
The
problem
we're
running
into
now
is
when
you
say
no
amplification
I
get
covering
amplifying
live
music,
yeah
yeah,
but
trying
to
say
they
have
a
house
with
outside
speakers.
My
house
has
outside
speakers
so
trying
to
say
they
can't
amplify
music.
That's
inherently
amplifying
music
playing
it
through
your
speakers,
so
I
don't
know
how
to
define.
That,
though,
is
the
question.
It
becomes
very
big.
A
C
Adam
chair,
yes,
I
would
like
to
amend
my
motion
again.
Okay
I
would
like
to
add
an
additional
condition
for
no
food
trucks,
because
I
do
agree.
I
think
you
know
in
Prior
times
that
has
been
brought
up
as
concern
from
you
know.
Neighbors
residents
of
this
area
so
I
think
adding
it
in
again
for
that
the
future
property
owner,
if
you
know,
circumstances,
arise
and
then
also.
C
C
C
A
A
A
Well,
I
I
think,
based
on
my
prior
experience
and
I'm,
going
to
say
this.
As
a
commissioner
in
my
personal
experience
in
situations
like
this
there
there
has
been
an
appeal
and
some
of
our
prior
cases.
Both
sides
have
appealed.
Y
Yeah
Madam,
chair,
I,
would
say:
I
wouldn't
I
mean
if
you
make
a
decision
expecting
to
be
appealed.
That
is
certainly
a
bad
setup.
Okay,
what
I
would
consider
is
you
guys
sound
like
you're,
okay
with
the
existing
residential
speaker
system?
Don't
let
them
do
anything
beyond
that
and
have
staff
review
their.
A
D
I
I
think
to
add
a
little
bit
to
Leon,
who
just
said
you
would
not
want
anything
being
channeled
through
those
existing
speakers
other
than
if
you
had
a
radio,
you
had
a
CD
player,
whatever
that
could
be
used
but
to
have
the
existing
outdoor
speakers
and
then
to
be
able
to
hook
into
those
and
play
something
through
them.
That
was
for
a
live
event.
Is
what
you'd
be
prohibiting.
Q
I
I
still
disagree
with
that,
because
this
they're
in-home
speakers
they
could
use
them
every
day
how
they
see
fit
they're,
not
bringing
in
external
speakers
so
again,
if
they,
if
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
discussion,
if
they
were
just
having
House
Parties
every
day,
hooking
into
their
internal
speakers
they're
those
are
their
home
speakers.
They
have
been
in
part
of
that
home
since
it's
building,
so
if
you
hook
into
them,
there's
no
difference
in
them.
D
D
Q
So
you're
saying
no
live.
Okay,
I
thought
you
meant
just
like
hooking
up
your
phone
or
something
to
oh
you're,
meaning
live
okay,
well
and
so
I
agree
with
that.
You
can.
It's
amplifying
live.
Music.
I
guess
is
the
concern
and
but
then
also
I,
think
that's
to
the
concern
about
adding
giant
speakers
to
their
home.
I
think
that's
what
the
two-year
review
would
be
for
we
could.
If
there's
a
two-year
review
like
we've
asked,
then
we
can
and
they've
put
in
like
giant
martial
Stacks
in
their
home.
Then
we
we
can.
N
C
Madam
chair
yes,
so
I
would
like
to
go
back
to
implementing
my
emotion
so
just
to
clarify
I'd
like
to
add
a
condition
for
no
food
trucks
and
then
also
a
condition
for
pretty
much
exactly
what
Leon
said
word
for
word
of
the
staff
evaluation
of
the
pre-existing
system,
with
the
ultimate
approval
there,
with
an
additional
condition
that.
C
P
U
A
Yeah
it
moved
and
seconded
so
we've
got
a
new
motion.
What
other
comments
do
we
have
we're
good
are
any
more
comments.
Okay,
I
would
think.
I
might
call
for
the
vote.
All
in
favor
of
this
approval,
say
aye
aye
and
all
those
opposed
say
aye
and
let
the
minutes
reflect.
There
were
five
for
the
motion
and
two
against
the
motion.
A
I
thought
he
said:
five
yeah
okay,
so
that
is
all
of
our
projects.
We've
got
some
minutes
from
the
November
17th
meeting.
I
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
or
make
changes.
Y
All
right
and
I'm
here
to
give
you
a
review
of
the
board
meeting
last
night,
if
you
think
that's
on
our
agenda.
So
first
item
was
in
the
RV
park
out
there
on
Vallejo
that
you
all
heard
and
recommended
the
Nile
of
the
board
and
a
vote
of
two
to
one
voted
to
approve
that
project.
Actually,
so
they
tabled
it,
which.
Y
Was
denied
recommended
denial
by
you
and
the
board
opted
to
approve
it,
so
they
had
the
table
for
revised
findings
which
will
occur
in
January,
so
that
was
that
was
that
one
it
was
a
about
as
long
well
longer
than
your
hearing.
It
was
a
little
bit
too
yeah
the
it's
on.
Are
you
familiar
like
south
of
New
York
now.
Y
It
is
yeah
account,
plan,
zone
change,
conditional
use
and
master
site
plans
so
and
then
the
cell
tower
that
you
guys
overturned
your
decision
on
they
tabled
again
to
January,
so
we'll
get
a
chance
to
go
before
them
in
January
and
not
much
else
to
offer
on
that
one.
Let's
see
the
we
had
a
subdivision
out
off
of
McDermott
and
victory
that
you
guys
recommended
approval
of
they.
It
was
tabled
by
the
applicant
due
to
some
substance
health
concerns.
Y
They
had
some
stuff
to
work
out
with
them,
similar
to
what
their
colorly
sub
had
to
do
on
the
south
side
of
Victory.
If
you
guys
remember
that
project,
it
was
another
Redevelopment
of
some
of
that
non-farm
land.
From
an
old
subdivision,
we
had
a
variance
in
a
property
boundary
adjustment
for
a
gentleman
near
Highway
55
on
Jay
Road.
Y
He
had
adjusted
his
property
with
the
neighbor
about
20
years
ago
and
never
came
to
the
county
and
he
came
in
for
a
building
permit
and
we
caught
it,
and
so
the
only
way
to
get
through
that
process
is
to
go,
get
a
Marion's
and
do
a
property
boundary
adjustment,
or
at
least
in
this
case.
That
was
the
situation.
Y
Let's
see,
Boise
Hunter
homes
had
a
simple
vacation
of
utility
easement,
as
well
as
a
property
boundary
adjustment,
one
of
their
Builders
built
the
home
in
the
wrong
place
and
they
discovered
it
as
they
were
trying
to
close
on
the
home,
and
so
they
came
to
our
board
to
vacate
a
portion
of
the
easement
and
to
approve
a
minor
adjustment
to
the
property
boundary,
so
that
one
was
approved
and
then
finally,
there
was
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan,
as
well
as
a
variance
for
a
art.
Y
A
storage
facility
self-service
outdoor
only
on
Highway,
55,
I
believe
also
south
of
the
Brookside
area.
At
Dry,
Creek
Ranch,
a
gentleman
had
been
running
a
business
there
without
approvals
by
the
county
for
a
while
and
through
a
code
enforcement
action,
basically
kind
of
made
it
his
way
to
the
planning
division
finally
made
an
application,
and
our
board
opted
to
deny
that
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
as
well
as
the
variants.
So
that's
all
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
and
want
to.
Thank
you
for
a
tough
night.
Y
P
Y
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
it's
okay
to
try
to
keep
people
on
point
but
yeah.
It's
a
probably
a
certain
amount
of
freedom
of
speech
that
needs
to
be
allowed
here
and
you
know
I
think
we
too
Mr
pasculi's
point.
We
have
had
some
some
tough
commentary
in
this
room,
sometimes
not
very
productive,
but
you
know
that's
how
people
conduct
themselves.
It's
not
really
your
job
to
regulate
their
behavior,
so
songs
are
not
offending
you
or
yelling
at
other
people,
I
think
we're
kind
of
in
a
good
place.