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A
Hi
hilima
hi.
I
wonder
if
you
could
talk
a
bit
about
with
your
experience
of
working
in
education
and
climate
activism.
What
does
it
take
to
inspire
change
in
others?.
B
So
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
it
takes
to
inspire
others
in
creating
change
is
actually
seeing
themselves
represented
in
that
change.
So
you
know,
having
diverse
leadership,
for
example,
is
a
key
thing
in
creating
change,
and
you
know
opening
up
that
conversation
to
everyone
like
there's,
a
phrase
that
goes
around
about
you
know
giving
the
voice
for
the
voiceless,
and
personally,
I
don't
agree
with
that
phrase,
because
everyone
has
a
voice
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
it's
about
actually
providing
a
platform
for
that
voice.
B
B
So
yeah,
I
think
there
are
because
you
know
when
we
look
at
the
statistics.
Unfortunately,
the
environmental
sector
within
the
uk
is
one
of
the
least
diverse
sectors,
whereas
when
you
actually
look
at
so
you
know
certain
minority
groups,
they
do
a
lot
of
environmental
activism
within
their
own
communities,
but
it's
just
not
kind
of
spoken
about.
So
I
think
outreach
work
is
one
of
the
key
things.
B
So
you
know
if
we're
saying
that
there
are
certain
groups
or
certain
communities
who
aren't
being
you
know
who
aren't
being
represented,
we
need
to
think
about
why
they
aren't
being
represented.
You
know
we
hear
this
phrase
called
you
know,
underrepresented
communities
or
hard
to
reach
communities.
I
don't
think
any
community
is
hard
to
reach.
We
need
to
think
about
why
the
organization
is
hard
to
reach
so
by
doing
outreach
work.
That
is
something
you
know.
B
It's
it's
something
very
simple,
but
it's
it's
very
effective
as
well
and
one
of
the
ways
we
can
actually
do.
That
is
by
something
very
simple,
such
as
covering
transport.
So
I
know
at
the
moment
we're
in
a
pandemic
and
luckily
we're
able
to
do
things
over
zoom
and
that
has
actually
allowed.
You
know
it's
taken
away,
one
of
those
barriers,
I
guess-
for
access
where
a
lot
of
people
weren't
able
to
attend
certain
events
or
go
to
certain
places
because
of
public
transport
issues
and
so
on.
B
So
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
key
things.
But
again
you
know,
even
with
the
the
digital
world
we
see
some
people
aren't,
you
know
able
to
afford
laptops,
and
you
know
they
might
have
the
latest
smartphone.
So
you
know
those
they
have
very
small
steps.
I
would
say
you
know
like
being
able
to
cover
like
a
taxi
or
something,
but
it
could
actually
make
such
a
huge
difference.
A
That's
incredible,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
anything
else
that
you
could
share
about
what
it
takes
to
educate
and
inform
others.
B
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
education,
what
we
need
to
realize
is
that
when
it
comes
to
young
people
in
particular,
they
are
going
to
be
the
leaders
of
tomorrow
or
even
the
leaders
of
today
when
we
see
people
like
greta
thundberg.
So
you
know
my
little
10
year
old
sister
kind
of
wrote,
a
letter
to
the
mp
talking
about
how
we
should
find
find
everybody
a
hundred
pound
for
not
recycling,
and
you
know
those
kind
of
things
they
just
they're
amazing.
B
To
hear
that
you
know
young
people,
you
know
whether
it's
from
children
to
teenagers
to
young
adults,
that
they
they
want
to
be
involved,
and
you
know
they
do-
have
a
voice
they
need
to.
They
just
need
to
air
that
voice.
So
I
think
you
know,
starting
from
a
very
young
age.
You
know
starting
from
school.
We
shouldn't
kind
of
have
that
attitude.
Where
you
know
someone
won't
understand.
B
They
do
understand
it's
just
about
the
way
that
we
communicate
that
so
I
guess
with
effective
communication
and
educating
at
different
levels
and
actually
opening
up
the
floor
to
young
people,
because
if
this
is
around
education,
when
it
comes
to
young
people,
because
they'll
be
the
educators
of
tomorrow
as
well
to
be
able
to
inform
them
in
such
a
way
where
they're
able
to
inspire
others.
You
know
we
talk
about
how
it
takes
a
village
to
raise
someone
and
how
you
know.
B
If
you
teach
teacher
man
to
fish,
they
can
feed
the
feed,
the
town
or
whatever.
I
probably
have
got
their
phrase
a
little
bit
wrong.
But
you
know,
if
you
kind
of
go
on
that
basis,
where
you
know
one
person
can
inspire
many
others,
you
know
not
just
for
young
people
with
just,
I
guess,
people
of
all
ages
to
just
include
them
in
that
conversation,
and
I
think
one
of
the
barriers.
B
So
you
know
I've
attended
kind
of
consultation
meetings
about
certain
things
and
one
of
the
really
really
like
basic
steps.
You
know
they
they
didn't
get
right,
and
that
was
just
having
the
consultation
in
a
language
that
they
could
actually
understand.
So,
I'm
from
luton
and
we
have
over
a
hundred
languages.
I
believe
it's
over
120
that
are
represented
in
our
town.
B
It's
a
very
small
town,
but
you
know
it's
multicultural,
you
know
multi-faith
very
diverse
and
we
should
celebrate
the
fact
that
there
are
so
many
languages,
so
you
know
having
hiring
translators
to
actually
communicate
the
work
that
you're
doing
again.
You
would
think
that
it's
so
simple,
but
it
just
isn't
done,
and
even
you
know
when
it
comes
to
branding
having
posted
so
for
having
like
a
climate
change
poster.
Is
that
poster
in
the
languages
of
you
know
the
people
in
that
town
or
city
so
yeah?
B
I
think
those
kind
of
they're
very
simple
steps
that
you
can
take
into
educating
people,
but
they
would
be
very
effective
as
well.
Thank.
A
B
So
one
of
the
key
lessons
actually
was
kind
of
going
back
to
when,
before
I
sort
of
kind
of
got
into
the
environmental
movement,
I
would
say
so,
my
sister,
you
know
she
was
a
climber
activist
I
would
I
would.
I
would
call
her
and
I
called
myself
a
sort
of
political
activist
and
one
day
we
were
having
this
conversation,
and
I
said,
oh,
although
I
do
care
about
the
earth
and
the
environment,
it's
not.
B
I
don't
see
it
as
a
human
issue
and
she
was
like,
but
it's
humans
who
are
affected.
You
know
that
one
small
statement
is
what
it
just.
It
was
like
something
clicked
inside
me
and
I
was
like
oh
my
gosh,
like
that.
That
is
so
true,
and
why
did
I
not
see
it
in
that
way?
I
was
thinking
two
separate
things,
and
that
is,
I
think,
one
of
the
key
things
where
we
we
need
to
combine
those
that
climate
activism
and
just
activism
in
general
political
activism.
They
are
the
same
thing.
B
They
one
cannot
work
for
that
without
the
other.
So
when
I
learn
you
know
how
the
global
north,
they
are,
essentially
the
ones
who
are
kind
of
causing
climate
change.
Global
south
are
the
ones
who
are
being
they're,
the
ones
feeling
the
effect
of
it.
And
if
you
look
at
that,
you
know
it's
the
most
marginal
marginalized
communities
who
are
being
affected
the
most
and
it's
still,
people
who
have
the
most
privilege.
I.
B
B
So
to
be
able
to
learn
that-
and
you
know,
and
actually
really
understand
that
I
think
it
would
help
help
us
navigate
our
way
through
through
about
how
make
it
a
human
issue.
I
think
one
of
the
you
know
real
human
beings
and
real
stories
sharing.
You
know
what
you
know.
Thinking
about
you
know
flooding
that
has
happened,
or
you
know
some
kind
of
natural
disaster.
You
know
how
they
were
affected
and
that
the
root
causes
of
this
was
around
climate
change.
B
People
would
connect
with
that.
You
know,
I
know
we
connect
with.
You
know
we
care
about
animals,
so
it's
not
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
care
about
the
animals,
but
if
we
look
at
that
human
connection
and
those
human
stories,
that
is,
I
think,
what
will
propel
us
to
actually
go.
You
know
take
this
further
and
hopefully
create
sustainable
change.