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From YouTube: Kath Dalmeny - Food as a System | #AWClimateAssembly
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A
Hi
there
kath
hi,
so
I
have
a
few
questions
for
you
about
food.
Could
you
talk
about
how
food
impacts
on
climate
change?
Well?
The
first
word
I'm
going
to
use
is
gigantically,
so
the
food
system
is
responsible
at
a
very
estimated
level
for
about
a
third
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
globally,
but
that
pans
out
to
a
very
similar
number
when
you
look
at
it
locally
and
in
our
shopping
baskets
or
in
procurement,
by
local
authorities
or
whatever.
A
So
if
we
just
say
gigantically,
then
we
know
that
we're
in
the
right
kind
of
territory
and
then
we
can
talk
about
what
we
seriously
need
to
do
to
mitigate
that.
But
what
I
would
like
to
say
from
the
start
is
that
we're
living
through
both
a
climate
and
a
nature
emergency,
and
particularly
in
food
systems.
A
Food
production
is
not
only
a
source
of
massive
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
also
a
source
of
massive
impact
on
biodiversity,
and
if
we
get
things
right
which
we
can
do
so
I'm
not
a
harbinger
of
doom.
If
we
get
things
right,
then
we
can
solve
the
climate
and
the
nature
emergency
in
tandem.
In
fact,
I
would
say
that
we
have
to
we
have
to
make
those
integrated
decisions,
particularly
with
food,
because
otherwise
we'll
end
up
with
the
wrong
solutions
and
then
we'll
end
up
fixing
the
next
thing
later.
A
So
if
we
can
help
farmers,
if
we
can
help
good
food
production
and
if
we
can
use
our
land
wisely
and
buy
and
eat
a
better
set
of
things,
then
we
can
fix
this,
and
I
do
want
to
focus
on
that
being
quite
good
news.
One
of
the
wonderful
things
about
working
on
food
is
it's
prone
to
being
joyful
and
celebratory
and
bringing
people
together.
We
don't
have
to
have
all
climate
solutions
being
about
turning
off
our
lights
and
sitting
in
the
dark.
A
It
can
also
be
about
bringing
ourselves
together
as
communities
and
making
where
we
live
more
fun
and
more
connected.
So
I
love
working
in
food
because
it's
a
terribly
important
thing
in
this
day
and
age.
I
believe
no
more
important
than
anything
else
really,
but
I
also
believe
it's
because
we
can
find
a
source
of
joy
in
it
and
what
better
than,
if
we're
working
on
climate
change,
that
we
need
a
bit
of
joy
as
we're
going
through.
A
That's
lovely.
You
mentioned
those
four
areas.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
each
of
them?
They're
farming?
I
can't
quite
remember
all
of
them.
I
sound
like
the
spanish
inquisition,
I'm
going
to
say
five
main
ways:
okay,
so
the
big
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
little
things
here,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
big
picture,
because
I
think
people
can
get
really
hung
up
on
saying.
Well,
your
avocado
is
better
than
my
apple
when
it
comes
to
climate
change.
A
Emissions
or
your
tofu
is
better
than
my
oat
milk,
but
you
know
that's
fun,
but
it's
not
about
the
little
things
it's
about
the
big
stuff.
So
let
me
talk
about
the
five
big
areas
in
which
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
are
prevalent,
and
we
can
also
have
solutions
that
are
good
for
both
climate
and
nature
at
the
same
time,
so
working
through
them
in
a
sort
of
food
system,
e
kind
of
way.
A
What
we
eat
are
diets.
The
types
of
food
we
eat
and
the
big
ticket
stuff
in
terms
of
numbers
is
the
balance
of
plant-based
food
and
animal-based
food.
So
growing
animals
takes
a
lot
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
or
produces
a
lot
and
that's
partly
because
of
what
they're
fed
and
it's
partly
because
of
their
actual
hoof
print
impact
on
the
land,
and
it's
also
about
how
we
transport
it
and
how
we've
refrigerated
all
those
things.
A
I'm
not
talking
about
complete
vegetarianism,
because
animals
actually
fit
within
a
really
good
farming
system,
because
their
manure
goes
into
the
cycles
and
all
these
things
we
can
get
into
the
detail.
But
basically
the
big
ticket
idea
is
if
we
have
more
plant-based
food
and
less
and
better
of
the
meat,
and
when
I
say
better,
this
is
where
we
get
into
systemic
thinking.
A
If
we
also
produce
that
better,
we'll
also
be
looking
after
the
planet
better,
so
that's
one
big
one
food
buying
how
and
where
that
food
is
purchased,
and
that
is
to
do
with
where
we
shop.
Does
the
money
go
back
to
the
farmer,
so
they
can
do
really
good
environmental
things,
or
does
the
money
go
out
of
the
system
into
big
supermarkets?
A
I'm
not
here
to
be
anti
supermarket,
but
it
does
mean
there's
a
very
extractive
relationship
with
food.
So
there
isn't
enough
money
left
in
the
system
to
pay
people
properly
to
do
good
things
to
look
after
the
animals.
Well
to
look
after
the
wildlife
to
reduce
the
carbon
emissions
and
all
these
things.
So
there's
a
there's
something
inherently
about
the
way
it's
purchased,
making
it
fair
and
that
the
distribution
methods
are
probably
a
bit
more
local,
not
entirely.
A
This
isn't
a
puritanical
sort,
we're
doing
things
we'll
always
want
oranges
and
coffee
and
those
kind
of
things,
but
but
generally,
that
more
of
the
food
and
more
of
it
being
plants
purchased
in
the
right
sort
of
way
from
the
right
sort
of
people
who
are
producing
it.
Well,
which
brings
me
to
the
third
thing,
which
is
farming,
it's
fundamental,
how
that
food
is
produced,
so
great
farmers,
look
after
the
soil,
they
plant
some
trees.
They
have
a
mixed
farming
system
in
which
there
is
some
animals,
livestock
input
and
a
lot
of
horticulture.
A
You
know,
there's
lots
of
decisions
we
can
all
be
making.
That
would
help
the
right
kind
of
farming
to
be
thriving.
My
fourth
one
we're
getting
there.
A
promise
is
waste
and
it's
obvious:
isn't
it
if
you
throw
away?
Well,
perhaps
it
isn't,
because
we
have
been
throwing
away
a
third
of
our
food,
which
is
appalling.
A
If
you
throw
away
the
food
think
of
all
the
effort,
that's
gone
into
making
that
food
all
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
all
of
the
livestock
all
of
the
feed.
So
if
we
throw
it
away,
that's
just
wasted
with
it,
and
some
people
have
calculated
that,
basically,
if
we
didn't
waste
as
much
food
we'd
just
be
able
to
feed
the
planet,
you
know
we
wouldn't
have
to
be
doubling
our
food
production
over
the
next
few
years.
Obviously,
that's
complicated,
but
you
know
it's
a
great
goal
to
have
zero
waste
use
waste.
A
Well,
you
know
we
use
all
food
to
its
proper
food
value
and
then
my
final
one,
I
promised
I'd
get
to
a
last
one,
which
is
land
use.
This
idea
of
how
we
use
the
land,
balancing
the
things
that
we
need
from
it.
So
we
need
food.
We
also
need
forestry.
Now,
don't
we?
We
also
need
to
think
about
where
our
fibers
come
from
and
to
use
that
to
the
best
possible
advantage
and
local
areas
have
control
over
a
very
large
amount
of
land
and
whether
that's
available
for
horticulturalists.
A
A
I
mean
all
of
these
things
in
the
round,
as
I
say,
can
be
full
of
joy,
good
economic
prospects
connected
thinking
and,
what's
really
nice
is
great
food
at
the
end
of
it
as
well,
which
is
a
lovely
way
to
get
people
involved
in
climate
change
work
without
it
being
quite
so
miserable,
which,
unfortunately,
is
part
of
the
scene
at
the
moment.