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B
B
You
should
set
your
microphone
to
mute
until
such
time
as
I
invite
you
to
speak.
If
a
committee
member
wishes
to
speak,
you
should
do
so
by
activating
the
raise
hand
function
in
zoom,
which
has
been
previously
explained
to
you.
Please
be
patient,
I
know
we'll
have.
I
know
you
have
indicated
that
you
wish
to
speak
and
we
will
get
around
to
all
members.
B
B
Please
also
remember
to
lower
your
hand
once
you've
spoken
committee
members
are
asked
not
to
use
the
chat
facility
during
the
course
of
the
meeting.
The
chat
facility
is
only
to
be
used
by
myself
and
the
officers
if
a
committee
member
needs
to
declare
an
interest
in
a
particular
item
once
the
meeting
has
started,
they
should
do
so
in
the
usual
way
by
making
their
declaration
when
they
become
aware
of
it,
the
usual
procedure
will
take
place
which
will
be
followed
accordingly.
B
Should
I
wish
to
adjourn
the
meeting
at
any
time,
I
would
advise
the
meeting
that
it
is
adjourned
and
what
time
it
should
be
reconvened.
All
participants
should
remain
in
the
zoom
meeting,
with
their
microphones
muted.
The
decision
will
be
made
by
the
committee.
All
parties
will
be
made
aware
of
the
decision
within
five
days.
Decisions
will
not
be
announced
this
evening.
B
B
B
Thank
you
so
on
to
item
three,
which
is
application
for
review
of
the
premises
license
under
section
51
on
food
and
wine,
also
known
as
clifton
food
and
wine
democratic
services
will
now
be
introducing
members
of
the
committee
and
the
officers
present.
C
Thank
you
so
councillors
on
the
committee.
We
have
councillor
sally
smith
as
chair
councillor,
rosie
werlow,
as
vice
chair
councillor,
roy
barracloff
councillor
mike
councillor
russ
cochran,
council
council,
lionel
harmon
councillor,
kevin
jenkins,
councillor
richard
mulholland
councillor,
richard
novak,
county
councillor,
john
rosa
councillor,
dawn
smith,
councillor,
samuel
theodoroudi,
councillor,
hazelthorpe,
councillor,
andy
white
and
councillor
kathy
glynn,
davies
and
officers
present.
We
have
licensing
officer,
simon
jones,
legal,
reps
to
representative
council,
shelian
flanagan
and
myself
as
democratic
services
officer.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
do
I
just
wanted
to
raise
and
put
into
the
past
it's
put
into
the
minutes
of
the
meeting.
The
late
notice
of
the
papers
have
been
circulated
by
all
parties
to
this
this
afternoon.
I
think
it's
unreasonable,
given
that
many
of
the
councillors
here
will
be
working
and
we're
coming
home
to
expect
them
to
be
able
to
digest
those
papers
at
such
short
notice.
D
I
think
it's
disappointing
that
sussex,
police,
west,
sussex
trading
standards,
and
indeed
are
licensing,
have
submitted
submissions
so
late
when
it
doesn't
always
give
people
the
opportunity
to
read
those
papers
ahead
of
this
meeting.
B
Thank
you
councillor.
Can
I
pass
back
over
to
you
chris.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
we
have
received
papers
today,
which
is
late.
It's
not
unusual
for
this
to
happen
in
licensing.
However,
if
members
feel
like
they
haven't
had
a
proper
time
to
read
the
papers,
you
could
consider
an
adjournment
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
has
an
opportunity
to
read
those
papers.
E
Yes,
please,
it
was
just
it
was
about
that
I've
literally
just
gone
in
from
work,
and
I
was
unaware
that
even
that
there
have
been
any
papers
issued
today,
so
I
would
just
ask
for
probably
I
don't
know
how
much
is
in
it,
but
15
minutes
will
probably
be
enough
just
to
read
through.
I
can't
even
read
that
because
we're
on
the
computer
here
on
the
on
this
meeting,
so
I
just
need
to
be
able
to
clear
this
and
read
the
paper
and
that'll
be
fine.
C
C
E
I
was
trying
to
ring
you,
I
I
it's
I'm
actually
using
my
phone
to
see
these
licensing
conditions,
because
I
can't
forward
it
from
my
worthing
borough
email
address
when
I
forward
it
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
do
the
attachment
so
but
I've
I
can
see
it
on
my
phone,
so
I've
got
a
good
enough
view
of
what
it
is.
That's
the
only
way
I
can
see
it
because
that's
all
I'm
getting
my
working
borrower
emails
through
on
at
the
moment.
E
C
A
E
B
B
F
As
has
been
outlined,
this
is
an
application
made
by
west
sussex
county
council
trading
standards
service
for
a
review
of
the
premises
license
held
by
mr
codswaren
at
his
store
known
as
on
food
and
wine,
or
sometimes
clifton,
food
and
wine.
F
F
F
And
included
in
the
reports
center
members
are
all
the
relevant
attachments.
There
is
a
plan
and
a
photo
and
photos
of
the
area
surrounding
the
store.
There
is
a
plan
of
the
premises
itself,
there's
a
copy
of
the
application.
F
There's
a
copy
of
the
representation
received
from
sussex
police
during
the
statutory
consultation
period
and
trading
standards
and
the
police
have
provided
supporting
documents
regarding
their
cases
and,
as
has
already
been
mentioned,
we've
now
received
copies
of
correspondence
between
all
the
parties,
including
the
the
license
holder.
F
Section
4
of
the
report
summarizes
the
application
itself
and
this
can
be
found
reproduced
in
full
as
an
appendix
c
of
the
report
in
their
application
trading.
Standards
maintain
that
the
license
holder
has
undermined
the
licensing
objectives,
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder
and
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
following
the
failure
of
a
test
purchase
operation
involving
the
purchase
of
alcohol
by
a
15
year
old
trading
standards
volunteer,
and
they
have
included
detailed
information
in
the
application
supporting
their
case
and
made
the
recommendation
for
members
consideration
that
the
license
should
be
revoked.
F
F
Yeah,
so
the
application
has
been
subject
to
the
statutory
consultation
and
statutory
public
advertisement
arrangements
in
accordance
with
the
lysing
act.
2003
and
the
application
received
one
representation
from
a
responsible
authority,
and
that
was
sussex
police
and
there
were
no
representations
from
the
public.
F
The
licensing
act
encourages
mediation
when
practical
and
at
the
time
of
drafting
mediation
had
not
been
embarked
on.
However,
as
I
am,
and
you
are
aware,
in
the
last
24
hours,
the
license
holder
has
been
in
contact
with
both
trading
standards
and
the
police,
and
you
have
been
forwarded.
The
information.
F
Section
9:
the
committee's
attention
is
directed
to
the
aspects
of
the
act
and
this
application
that
members
should
consider
when
they
come
to
a
decision,
including
the
four
statutory
licensing
objectives.
F
Worthing
borough
council's
statement
of
licensing
policy,
the
the
guidance
issued
issued
under
section
182
of
the
act
by
the
home
secretary,
the
application
and
the
relevant
representations
and
the
testimony
and
any
information
that
is
relevant.
That
is
supplied
by
the
license
holders
and
listed
in
section.
9.5,
are
the
options
that
are
open
to
the
committee.
When
considering
a
review.
F
Section
9.6
of
the
report
highlights
sections
of
the
home
secretary's
guidance
under
section
182
of
the
lysing
act
that
should
be
taken
in
account
when
considering
a
review
and
there's
a
list
there
of
the
sections.
F
F
Section
10
of
the
report
draws
members
attention
to
the
legal
implications
of
this
application
and
hearing
and
detailed
are
the
rights
of
appeal
to
the
magistrates
court
that
are
open
to
the
applicant
where
sussex
trading
standards
the
license
holder,
mr
kodiswaran,
and
those
making
representation
sussex
police.
F
So
I
think
I've
covered
everything.
Members
are
requested
to
determine
the
applicants
county
council's
training
standards
for
a
review
of
the
premises
license
held
by
mr
codyswaren
at
on
food
and
mind,
store
or
sometimes
known
as
clifton,
food
and
wine
store
situated
in
clifton,
road
and
members
are
requested
to
give
reasons
for
their
determination,
chair
and
members.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
need
clarification
on
any
other
aspect
of
this
report,
I'll
be
happy
to
deal
with
those.
In
a
moment
I
will
introduce
the
parties
that
are
here
today.
F
We
have
for
the
applicants.
West
sussex
trading
standards,
mr
peter
aston,
who
is
the
operational
team
manager,
is
mr
andrew
neal.
Here
I
didn't
notice
from
trading
standards.
F
He
is
here
yes
and
representing
the
license
holders
we
have
mr
suresh
pate
is
I'm
I'm
ever
so
sorry,
yeah.
Thank
you.
We
have
mr
goridis
kodeswarin
and
mr
jitendra
patel
who's,
the
dps
of
the
premises
present
and
representing
sussex
police.
We
have
mr
david
bateup,
mr
aston.
You
will
have
the
opportunity
to
clarify
the
police
position
west
sussex
county
council's
position
shortly,
but
at
this
stage
could
you
confirm
that
this
is
an
accurate
outline
of
your
application.
F
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
mr
chair
members,
do
you
have
any
questions
of
clarification
regarding
the
report.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
simon,
you
invited
questions
about
the
report.
Does
that
include
the
documentation
included
in
the
appendices,
I.e,
something
on
page
38.
F
H
D
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
mr
jones.
I've
just
missed
the
reference
in
the
page,
but
it
is
in
the
follow-up
report
from
inspector
dave
derrick.
It
relates
to
the
2020
incident,
which
is
not
supplied
with
evidence
that
says
that
this
committee
tonight
will
be
supplied
with
the
still
photographs
of
2020
to
view.
Where
is
that
in
our
evidence?
Pack,
please.
I
That
that
is
something
that
I
can
address
you
with
in
the
closed
session,
the
trading
standards
have
been
sorry.
The
the
dps
has
been
given
the
opportunity
and
the
premise
license
holder
to
view
the
photographs
if
they
wished
with
the
police,
and
they
haven't
made
a
request
to
do
so.
I
D
Yeah
I'll
gladly
come
back
on
that
later,
but
I
think
there
is
relevance
to
it
because
of
the
seriousness
and
weight
the
sussex
police
have
given
in
their
submission
to
that
event.
But
I'd
like
to
see
those.
I
This
is
something
that
can
be
supplied
to
you
in
closed
session.
I
can
supply
them
via
my
screen.
We
don't
want
to
send
them
via
electronic
means,
but
that's
something
that
you
can
view
in
closed
session,
but
the
advice
that
I
will
be
giving
you
is
that
and
it's
a
matter
of
you
to
consider,
but
that
you
don't
need
to
because
the
offence
has
been.
You
know.
It's
admitted
that
the
alcohol
was
sold
to
an
underage
minor
so,
but
that
is
something
that
we
can
consider.
D
B
G
Hi
west
coast,
county
council
trading
standards
have
instigated
the
standard
review
of
the
premise
license
under
section
51
of
the
licensing
act
2003..
G
We
respectfully
invite
the
licensing
authority
to
review
the
premise
license
of
om
food
and
wine
limited
trading
as
clifton
food
and
wine
and
determine
if
it
is
appropriate
to
revoke
the
license
trading
standards
suggest
this
premises
is
undermining
the
license
objectives
regarding
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder
and
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
trading
standards
purposes
for
making
the
review
application
is
to
ensure
breaches
of
relevant
legislation
have
all
to
the
attention
of
the
licensing
committee
in
order
for
them
to
consider
the
matter
fully
and
consider
available
options.
G
Now,
as
part
of
the
background
of
this,
the
committee
will
be
aware
from
the
license
application
review
application.
In
october,
2021
west
versus
county
council
issued
a
press
release
warning
businesses.
There
will
be
a
county-wide
crackdown
on
underage
sales
following
a
previous
test
purchase
operation
where
nine
out
of
16
shops
tested,
sold
alcohol
and
cigarettes
to
children.
G
There's
also
been
significant
coverage
about
our
work.
Since
then,
covert
restrictions
had
a
significant
impact
on
the
ability
of
trading
standards
to
undertake
under
a
sales
enforcement
work,
and
we
were
concerned
following
an
increase
in
intelligence
across
the
county,
that
some
businesses
were
taking
advantage
of
the
situation
by
selling
a
range
of
harmful
age-restricted
products
to
children.
G
On
the
20th
25th
of
january
2022,
following
intelligence
received
by
trading
standards
from
stenning
grammar
school,
the
om
food
and
wine
was
selling
vapes
to
children.
An
officer
carried
out
an
advice
visit
to
the
business
trading
stands
officer.
Mr
david
dutton
visited
owen
food
and
wine
to
carry
out
an
inspection.
G
The
owner,
mr
patel,
was
spoken
to
about
the
allegation
but
disputed
this
happens
and
said
he
always
asked
for
id.
Mr
dutton
asked
to
see
the
refusals
book,
but
the
most
recent
entry
was
october
2020,
which
indicated
this.
If
this
was
the
case,
it
failed
to
record
any
refusal.
Refusals,
mr
dutton
provided
comprehensive
advice
to
mr
patel
and
another
man
that
was
helping
not
another
man
that
was
in
the
premises
at
the
time.
G
Helped
him
explain
it
into
another
language
to
ensure
he
fully
understood
what
was
expected,
mr
and,
as
you
will
see,
mr
dutton
provided
a
written
note
at
the
time
recording
his
advice,
which
mr
patel
signed
on
the
23rd
of
february
2022,
a
child
aged
15
under
the
direction
of
west
sussex
county
council
trading
standards,
purchased
two
bottles
of
wicked
blue
275
milliliter
ready
to
drink
alco
pop
the
seller
was
mr
patel,
who
did
not
ask
to
volunteer
their
age
or
ask
for
id.
G
The
sale
made
to
the
volunteer
was
witnessed
by
laura
darby
a
senior
trading
standards
officer.
Mr
patel
was
subsequently
cautioned
and
questioned
about
the
sale
to
the
child
volunteer
initially
saying
she
looked
16
then
changing
this
to
19
or
20,
and
that
was
the
reason
he
hadn't
followed.
The
challenge,
21
or
25
policy
displayed
in
his
own
shop
and
required
by
his
license
conditions.
G
G
The
volunteers
age
should
not
should
be,
should
be
questioned
as
we
instruct
the
child
to
say
they
have
no
id
and,
in
those
sales,
the
cases.
So
in
those
cases
the
sales
were
declined.
G
We
believe
that
the
volunteer
use
that
was
the
15
years
old,
did
look
like
they
were
they
that
in
that
asia
bracket,
therefore,
the
sale
of
owen,
food
and
wine
is
considered
that
seller.
Mr
patel,
cannot
satisfy
any
defense
under
the
law
because
he
asked
no
questions
at
all.
To
try
and
establish
the
age
of
the
child
volunteer.
G
You
have
seen
the
summary
of
evidence.
We
have
witnessed
statements
from
three
trading
stands
officers
involved,
including
laura
derby,
who
witnessed
the
sale,
and
we
also
have
a
witness
statement
from
mr
tubb,
a
teacher
at
stenning
grammar
school,
and
we
have
copies
of
notebook
entries
made
at
the
time
and
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
visit
form
signed
by
mr
patel.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
members
have
any
questions
please.
D
Yeah
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
aston,
for
that
presentation.
Just
a
couple
of
questions
please
I'll,
take
it
in
sequence
of
calendar
order.
You
spoke
about
mr
stud,
the
teacher
at
stenning
grammar
school.
Clearly,
his
evidence
to
you
is
uncorroborated
third
party.
What
weight
can
we
actually
give
to
that
because
there's
no
way
of
corroborating
what
he
has
been
told
by
that
student
is
in
fact
correct.
Is
that
correct.
D
Okay,
so
in
this
respect
it's
just
purely
pointed
you
in
a
direction
of
somewhere
to
look
that
has
there
is
no
added
weight
that
comes
to
it.
My
other
question
to
you
is
you
you
may
play
on
the
fact.
On
the
first
of
october,
20
21,
you
issued
warning
notices
across
west
sussex,
two
premises
that
you'd
be
carried
out.
These
visits,
given
the
nature
of
the
previous
visits
with
sussex
police
in
2020
and
indeed
the
language.
G
Yes,
we
are,
and
we've
done
some
subsequent.
You
know
follow-up
press
releases
and
there
have
been
quite
a
lot
of
press
press
interest
across
the
county
through
some
of
our
previous
operations
and
previous
actions
that
we've
taken
against,
where
licensees
have
sold
alcohol
to
other
underage
sale,
products
to
our
volunteer,
but
you're.
C
G
Mean
you
know
the
the
coverage,
whilst
the
coverage
was,
you
know
quite
extensive
and
we
have
sort
of
evidence
that
it
was
you
know
carried
on
the
likes
of
you
know
bbc
and
similar
sort
of
outlets.
You
know
we.
We
can't
be
sure
that
you
know
licensees
or
is
you
have
seen
that
information.
G
D
Thank
you
chair.
If
I
may
have
just
got
two
more
points,
I'd
like
to
ask
yes,
clearly,
you've
then
spoken
of
the
the
date
of
the
offense
on
the
23rd
of
february,
and
you
again
you've
spoken
about
being
confident
that
your
15
year
old
could
be
assessed
as
a
15
year
old.
I'm
not
directly
challenging
that,
but
I
assume
we
secured
the
video
evidence
of
that
cell.
Have
we
again
we've
not
seen
that
in
the
evidence
pack.
G
No,
not
not
the
actual,
it
was
witnessed
by
a
trading
standards
officer,
but
it
wasn't.
We
didn't
take
the
video
cctv
video
evidence
at
the
time.
D
Surely
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
them
having
the
videos
in
their
shops
there
we
go
and
the
other
question
I've
got
to
you
just
to
finalize
is
in
your
summarization.
You
spoke
about
this
being
a
strong
message
to
send
in
the
importance
of
sending
the
strong
message.
I
I
thought
the
purpose
of
this
hearing
is
about
dealing
with
this
premises
and
not
necessarily
what
the
wider
impact
of
that
is.
Surely
we
should
be
dealing
with
what's
in
front
of
us
and
not
the
purpose
of
a
message.
G
Well,
that's,
you
know,
that's
for
you
obviously
to
decide
from
from
our
point
of
view.
You
know
there
is.
You
know
we
wanted
to
deter
other
licenses
across
the
council
across
the
council
area
to
prevent
age-restricted
products
being
sold
to
children.
So
you
know,
as
I
said
you
know
in
the
in
the
press,
release.
You
know
it's
important
to
send
out
that
deterrent
message
and
I
think
that's
a
reasonable,
reasonable
thing
to
to
do.
G
Well,
I
believe
that
you
know
we
do
need
to.
You
know,
deter
others
from
you
know
doing
the
same.
So
that
was
my
point
about
you
know
making.
That
was
the
point
I
was
making
that
you
know.
I
feel
that
the
you
know
the
the
sub
or
the
committee
should,
you
know,
consider
you
know
the
implications
across
the
across
the
yeah,
the
borough
and
we
can
send
like
an
appropriate
deterrent
message.
H
H
He
asked.
Did
you
secure
the
video
evidence
peter?
Your
answer
to
my
ears
sounded
like
no,
we
didn't
at
the
time.
Could
I
ask,
has
that
video
evidence
been
secured
since,
given
that
the
video
should
have
been
kept
31
days,
I
I
know
there's
been
discrepancy
over
the
period
of
time,
but
but
do
we
have
that
video
evidence
of
your
test
case
purchasing.
B
I'm
sorry
can
I
just
interrupt.
You
will
get
a
chance
to
respond
a
little
bit
later
if
we
can
just
move
on
now.
G
L
B
M
Yes,
my
question
was
actually
I
I'm
really
surprised
to
hear
that
that
there
isn't
a
video
and
I
would
like
to
know
why
there
wasn't
a
video
please.
Why
didn't?
Why?
Wasn't
it
hospital.
G
Well,
I
I
think
you
know
it
is
it's
a
it's
a
fair
point.
You
know
it
wasn't
asked
for
at
the
time
and
we
hope
we
didn't
secure
it,
but
I
I
yeah,
I
think
you
know
probably
from
I
will
take
what
take
away
that
point
from
this
meeting
and
ensure
in
the
future
that
we,
you
know
where
we
can.
We
should
secure
it.
B
N
Just
a
question
for
peter
peter
aston:
do
you
actually
have
powers
to
confiscate
cctv
footage?
Is
that
within
your
your
gift,
to
do
that.
G
Yes,
we
do
have
the
power
to
to
just
to
take
it.
Yes,.
N
Okay,
apart
from
the
fact
that
we
are
lacking
the
cctv
footage,
there
is
a
large
body
of
evidence
which
points
to
a
systemic
failure.
It
appears
to
me
on
the
part
of
this
business.
Sorry.
B
B
Thank
you
councillor,
okay.
If
this,
if
there's
no
more
questions,
then
I'd
like
to
invite
the
license
holder
to
ask
any
questions
that
are
relevant,
that
he
wants
to
ask
the
applicant.
K
K
Were
there
any
test
pages
done
in
the
past?
Do
you
have
any
record
of
that.
D
Yes,
sorry,
chad
to
come
back
out
of
order,
but
in
fact
the
last
questions
prompted
the
thought
in
that,
if
we've
had
no
other
test
purchases
there,
mr
aston,
what
other
intelligence
actually
actually
had
about
this
premises?
Or
was
this
the
only
piece
of
intelligence
you've
had
what
has
been
the
background
over
the
last
three
four
five
years
with
this
premises,
license
hold
as
being
there
for
intelligence
that
you've
received.
G
As
I
say,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
aware
of
you
know
any
specific.
You
know
intelligence
in
regards
to
this
premise,
but,
as
I
said,
we
we
receive
the
intelligence.
You
know
we
act
on
that
intelligence
we
visited,
visited
the
premises
advised
the
licensee,
and
then
we
undertook
the
you
know
the
test,
the
test
purchase
and
and
the
and
quite
and
clearly
mr
patel
sold
alcohol
to
a
child
yeah.
G
We
have,
you
know,
we
feel
that
in
those
circumstances
it's
correct
that
we,
you
know,
bring
this
to
the
licensing
committee's
attention
and
that's
what
we
will
do.
D
No,
I
understand
that
mr
assin,
please
don't
be
so
defensive.
I
just
purely
asked
if
you'd
had
any
other
intelligence.
I
understand
why
you're
here
today,
but
it's
purely
about
actually
making
sure
that
we
have
access
to
the
best
information
as
well.
You
had
you
had
a
series
of
intelligence
reports.
Then,
as
my
colleague
just
asked
now
that
I
would
have
expected
other
enforcement
checks
to
test
purchase
to
be
tried
and
tested
they
haven't,
which
would
suggest
and
you've
confirmed.
There
has
been
no
other
intelligence.
So
thank
you.
G
Yeah
yeah,
I
know
I
I
I
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
to
point
out
that
you
know
the
you
know.
We
have
been
very
much
restricted
during
sort
of
you
know
covered
to
undertake.
You
know
these
type
of
operations.
As
I
said
in
my
presentation,
and
you
know
that
has
been
a
a
real
sort
of
factor
and
you
know
trading
standards.
You
know,
don't
have
the
sort
of
resource
you
know
to
undertake
these
sort
of
operations.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
we'll
move
on
then
to
those
that
are
making
representation
regarding
the
application,
and
we
have
mr
david
baiter
from
sussex
police
with
us
this
evening.
Mr
beta,
would
you
like
to
make
your
statement
for
the
committee.
O
You
well
good
evening
casters,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
suss
experience
representation
starts
at
page
37
of
your
committee
papers.
O
My
name
is
david
bate
up
and
I
am
a
manager
working
in
the
specialist
dedicated
team
within
sussex
police
who
deal
with
alcohol
licensing.
I've
been
a
police
licensing
officer
for
sussex
police
for
19
years,
14
years
at
brighton,
hove
and
the
last
five
years
for
west
sussex
division,
which
includes
ada
and
worthing
councils.
O
If
I
made
before
I
continue
with
my
presentation
I
can.
I
would
like
to
address
a
couple
of
very
important
points
which
I'd
expect,
especially
councillor
jenkins,
has
raised
in
relation
to
the
the
picture
of
the
children
purchasing
our
goal
in
june
2020.
O
Our
councillor
jenkins
is
absolutely
correct
in
in
focusing
on
yet
the
weight
that
sussex
police
places
on
that
photograph.
He's
clearly
on
form
with
that.
With
that
point-
and
I
would
urge
the
committee
please
in
your
private
deliberations-
have
a
good
long
look
at
that
photograph.
O
O
O
I
start
that
you
will
see
when
you
look
at
that
photograph,
that
it
it
is
actually
a
picture
taken
from
a
mobile
phone
and
that
mobile
phone
belonged
to
one
of
the
police
officers
who
attended
on
food
and
wine
in
the
hours
immediately
after
the
three
children
had
to
be
attended
to
by
ambulance
paramedics
and
the
police,
because
they
were
so
ill
having
been
illegally
sold
alcohol
by
this
premises.
O
O
In
actual
fact,
there
are,
as
you
will
hear
in
my
presentation,
there
have
in
fact
been
two
sounds
of
alcohol
to
children,
the
first
one
being
in
june
2020,
and
obviously
you
can
see
that
in
the
still
fit
still
picture
which
we've
provided
to
you,
which
was
taken
from
mr
patel's
own
cctv
system.
O
O
So,
although
there's
only
been
one
test
purchase
operation
in
february
of
this
year,
in
actual
fact,
there
have
been
two
legal
and
number
four
sales
of
alcohol
by
this
premises
by
mr
patel.
Personally,
I
think
I
hope
I
explain
that
to
you
and
I
hope
I've
answered
some
of
your
questions.
While
I
continue
the
place,
representation
is
quite
detailed
and
thorough
and
you
will
have
read
it
in
full.
O
However,
I
anticipate
that
perhaps
some
of
you
on
the
committee
are
new
to
licensing
following
the
local
elections
last
month.
Therefore,
I
will
stress
and
highlight
some
points
in
the
police
representation
again
to
you.
Now
the
sending
of
alcohol
to
children
is
taken
very
seriously
by
parliament
and
by
the
home
office.
O
O
O
O
I
showed
the
still
photograph
taken
from
the
cctv
camera
to
a
number
of
my
colleagues
at
the
police
station
and,
as
we
already
discussed
and
has
quite
correctly
been
picked
up
by
council
jenkins.
I
have
no
doubt
that,
when
you're
in
private
session,
you
will
also
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
that
picture.
O
When
my
colleagues
saw
the
appearance
of
the
three
children
their
build,
what
they
were
wearing
and
their
general
appearance,
they
were
absolutely
appalled
and
shocked,
and
the
unanimous
reaction
from
everyone
was:
what
on
earth
is
this
man
doing
selling
knock
at
all
alcohol
to
them?
They
are
quite
clearly
children
and
they
look
under
16..
O
The
circumstances
of
the
illegal
sale
to
the
three
children
on
the
20th
of
june
2020
were
discussed
in
some
detail
to
his
credit.
Mr
patel
put
his
hands
up
and
admitted
the
sale
as
part
of
her
forced
policy.
Mr
patel
and
mr
cody's
woman
were
issued
with
a
formal,
written
warning
in
relation
to
the
illegal
sound.
O
O
I
also
emailed
a
copy
of
the
letters
today
to
suresh
the
representative
acting
for
the
premises
license
owner
mr
cody's
warman,
and
he
is
aware
of
them
in
advance.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
We
then
come
on
to
january
of
this
year
when
the
local
trade,
when
a
local
school
informed
trading
standards,
that
it
was
alleged
that
on
food
and
wine,
is
the
place
to
go.
If
you
are
under
18
and
want
to
buy
age
restricted
products,
the
intelligence
was
quite
specific
and
detailed
trading
standards
conducted
a
visit
to
the
shop
on
the
25th
of
january
this
year
and
gave
mr
patel
advice
in
person.
O
O
O
O
O
Mr
patel
did
not
adhere
to
the
conditions
on
his
license
when
he
sold
alcohol
to
children
twice.
Therefore,
clearly,
in
our
opinion,
there
is
no
point
in
beefing
up
the
existing
conditions
when,
to
be
quite
frank,
mr
patel
has
unfortunately
demonstrated
that
he
is
previously
not
added
to
his
existing
conditions.
O
O
O
Well,
not
only
have
we
ticked
all
the
boxes,
but
we
have
also
genuinely
tried
to
give
help
and
support
to
mr
patel
and
to
mr
coda's
mormon.
Unfortunately,
all
to
no
avail,
the
dps
and
plh
have
been
given
formal,
written
warnings
and
help
guidance
and
advice
following
the
first
sound
of
alcohol
to
a
child
following
the
receipt
of
intelligence
trading
standards
gave
the
shop
further
help
and
advice
and
even
sent
them
a
warning
letter
advising
them
that
test
purchases
were
imminent.
O
O
O
O
O
D
B
D
D
I
O
Thank
you.
I
entirely
respected
councillor
jenkins
opinions
on
this
and
I'm
sure
the
committee
will
will
take
appropriate
weights.
You
know,
as
you
may
fit,
may
see
fit,
but,
however,
as
I
said,
I've
had
19
moves
in
the
role
and
I
I
have
quite
good
experience
and
I
think
it
is
important
I
think
I
think
you're
bringing
this.
B
Message
we'll
close
that
down
now
please
and
move
on
if
we
may
so,
I
would
now
like
to
ask
members
if
they
have
any
relevant
questions.
Please
about
the
representation.
P
H
Thank
you
chair,
mr
bateman.
That
was
very
interesting
to
listen
to
five
six
years
ago,
the
pleasure
or
not
I've
sitting
on
a
jury
for
a
couple
of
weeks,
some
life-altering
cases
for
people.
I
I
know
how
important
it
is
to
listen,
to
concentrate
and
to
get
details,
correct.
I
H
Certainly
the
the
risk
of
boring
anyone.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
I
sat
in
a
jury
for
a
fortnight
through
to
fairly
serious
life-altering
cases.
I
do
understand
that
you've
got
to
concentrate
on
every
single
detail.
You've
got
to
get
it
right
so
in
in
this
point,
mr
bateman,
I
seek
not
to
downplay
anything.
You've
said.
However,
I
did
listen
to
the
words
you
said
about
the
witness
statement
regarding
the
teacher
and
the
information
he
relayed
about
what
he
was
told
by
his
pupil.
H
You
seem
to
summarize
that
by
saying-
and
I
see
no
evidence
other
than
this
people
has
alleged
that
vapes
have
been
sold,
you've
seem
to
then
say
that
you've
established
that
restrictive
products
are
being
sold,
thus
encompassing
alcohol.
Also,
whereas,
actually,
if
you
read
the
statement
on
page
61,
it
doesn't
refer
to
alcohol,
a
single
time
only
relates
to
vapes.
So
to
give
it
a
wider
title
of
restrictive
products
seems
to
include
alcohol.
Where
I
don't
see
that
included
in
the
statement.
H
O
Oh
you,
you
councillor,
we
you
you
make
a
valid
point
there,
but
the
the
my
experience
is
is
that
if
the
premises
is
selling
age-restricted
products,
whether
it
be
rapes
or
alcohol,
very
often,
if
they're
selling
a
one
age
restricted
product,
you
will
find
that
they
are.
They
are
selling
more
age,
restricted
products
and
very
often
when
we
do
test
purchases
and
we
are
test
purchasing
for
both
alcohol
and
tobacco.
Often
the
premises
will
sell
both
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
councillor,
lionel
harman.
L
L
Q
Q
Is
it
the
view
of
sussex
police
that
failure
to
revoke
the
license,
as
currently
held,
will
lead
to
more
incidents
of
age-restricted
products
being
sold
to
to
miners
at
putting
children
at
risk
of
harm.
O
Thank
you
founder,
I
think,
on
the
balance
of
probabilities,
the
the
if
I
was
I
was
I
was
in
the
chairs
of
a
council
licensing
committee
and
having
the
evidence
that
was
being
presented
this
evening
and
the
facts
of
the
case.
O
I
think
the
risk
of
allowing
the
services
to
continue
to
have
an
alcohol
license
is,
is
too
great
and,
as
I
I
said
on
a
number
of
occasions
in
my
my
presentation,
we
have,
we
all
have
a
responsibility
to
keep
children
safe,
and
I
I
think,
in
the
circumstance
the
the
risk
is
too
great
to
allow
to
allow
the
premises
to
have
a
premises.
O
Licence,
as
I
said,
having
an
alcohol
license
is
a
privilege
and
it's
not
a
right,
and
it
comes
with
some
quite
heavy
anonymous
responsibilities
and
in
our
view
you
know.
Mr
patel
has
failed
on
a
number
of
occasions
to
demonstrate
that
he
can
be
trusted
with
an
alcohol
license
in
worthing.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
Thank
you
chair,
mr
bait.
Up,
I'm
sorry
to
come
back
to
you.
I
don't
detract
from
the
seriousness
of
the
offences
that
are
alleged
before
us.
D
However,
can
I
just
take
you
to
pages
37
and
42
of
what
you
say
is
your
representation,
which
is
the
letter
the
sussex
police
submitted
on
the
14th
of
april
2022,
mr
jones,
the
licensing
officer.
Is
this
your
representation
which
you've
asked
the
committee,
or
is
this
inspector
dave,
derrick's
representation
who's?
The
actual
author
of
this
report.
O
Of
the
the
the
main
representation
is
prepared
by
myself,
in
conjunction
with
with
the
inspector
and,
ultimately
thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
That's
helpful.
I
think
just
that
clarifies
that,
for
me,
you
rightly
say:
keeping
children
safe
is
a
cornerstone
to
your
statutory
responsibilities,
sussex
police
trading
standards,
statutory
responsibility
and
our
statutory
responsibility.
As
the
licensing
authority,
section
146
section
147
make
it
an
express
offense
to
sell
alcohol
to
children
under
the
age
of
18.,
and
if
we
allow
that
to
happen,
we
put
children
at
risk.
D
Why,
in
june
of
2020,
in
order
to
meet
its
statutory
obligations
under
section
146
147,
why
sussex
police
only
issued
a
formal
warning
when,
through
your
representation
and
the
weight
you're
giving
to
that
representation,
you're
saying
under
our
responsibilities,
we
should
revoke
a
license.
On
the
first
occasion,
sussex
police
probably
had
such
substantial
evidence
in
2020
that
actually
we
failed
to
keep
children
safe
by
not
taking
that
prosecution
and
not
seeking
an
appeal
or
review
a
review
then
and
two
years
later,
we're
in
that
situation
again.
D
D
So,
can
you
tell
me
what
was
the
lack
of
gravity,
graphic
tasks
in
2020
that
you
now
feel
is
needed
in
2022
when
I
take
you
to
power,
page
40
of
your
representation
in
paragraph
one,
two,
three,
four
in
the
middle
section,
where
you
say
we
view
the
june
2020
incident
with
particular
seriousness
due
to
the
appearance
of
the
three
children,
as
evidenced.
If
it
was
that
serious,
why
wasn't
this
action
taken
then.
O
Thank
you
councillor.
You
make
a
very
valid
point
there,
the
the
we
decided
looking
at
the
situation
and
bearing
in
mind
that
that
kovid
was
was
raging
full
steam
at
that
point,
that
if
we
were
in
a
situation
where,
where
we
took
criminal
proceedings
again
against
mr
patel,
by
the
time
it
gets
got
into
a
magistrate's
court,
we
would
be
some
years
down
the
road.
So
we
we
decided
on
balance
that
the
best
thing
to
do
was
to
invite
mr
patel
and
mr
cody's
warning.
O
We
had
a
formal
meeting
with
them.
We
gave
them
help
and
advice,
and
we
they
signed
the
official
warning
letter,
and
I
had
an
assurance
for
mr
patel
at
the
time
that
he
had
learned
his
lesson
and
he
was
going
to
adhere
to
his
license
conditions
and
it
wasn't
going
to
happen
again,
as,
as
I
explained
in
my
presentation,
what
would
normally
have
happened.
O
What
we
would
normally
have
done
was,
after
a
a
a
first
failed
test,
purchase
or
an
incident
where
there
was
no
test
purchase,
but
alcohol
was
sold
to
a
child
in
real
life
and
and
the
the
premises
was
called
red
handed.
We
would
then
conduct
a
further
test
purchase
some
months
on,
unfortunately,
because
the
covid
we
were
in
a
situation
where
we
were
actually
told
as
part
of
our
policy
that
we
weren't
allowed
to
do
any
further
test
purchases.
O
O
We
did
invite,
mr,
mr,
mr
mr
codersborne
and
patel
in
for
that
meeting
and,
as
you
quite
correctly
said,
the
the
situation
is
the
the
guidance
says
that
a
committee,
if,
if,
if
a
a
case
is
brought
to
the
committee,
can
consider
revoking
in
the
first
instance,
but
in
this
particular
situation
we
now
have
a
situation
where
the
the
on-premises
has
been
brought
to
you
after
two
test
purchases.
O
D
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that's
debate.
I
think
you
could
have
asked
to
review,
but
actually
you
spoke
about
test
purchases.
You
very
labored
through
your
presentation,
around
the
visits
and
checks
by
trading
standards
and
sussex
police,
but
you
failed
to
mention
on
page
40,
your
third
paragraph
that
says
in
the
7th
of
april
2022
your
office
is
attended
and
found
the
premises
in
order.
I
think
that's
quite
pertinent
to
give
a
balanced
approach.
Would
you
not
agree.
O
I
I
quite
agree-
and
that
was
that
that
I
I
you're
quite
correct-
that's
why
I
did
put
it
in
my
representation,
but
I
would
add
by
that
point
with
respect
that
that
that
point
our
mr
patel
had
received
the
review
application
from
trading
standards,
and
I
would
be
very
surprised
if
a
premises
knowing
that
they
were
being
taken
to
review,
didn't
immediately
take
action
to
ensure
that
they
are
dealing
they
are
deemed
toward
their
licensed
conditions.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
of
council
novak,
please.
J
Thank
you
chair.
In
fact,
councillor
jenkins
has
pretty
much
picked
up
everything
I
was
going
to
ask.
Bearing
in
mind
the
importance.
That's
has
been
attached
to
guidance
at
1128
and
section
182.
That
considerations
should
be
given
on
the,
even
in
the
first
instance,
to
revoke
a
license.
J
Why
we
were
not
given
an
opportunity
two
years
ago
to
look
at
this
and
to
say
that
kovid
was
the
reason.
Frankly
he's
not
good
enough,
because
as
a
council,
we
were
operating
electronically
as
we
are
today.
I
just.
I
just
feel
that
if,
if
you
know
the
prime
duty
of
everyone
in
this
country
is
to
keep
our
children
safe,
then
the
police
have
let.
O
Thank
you
councillor.
That
was
the
decision
we
made
at
the
time
and
and
as
as
our
usual
procedure
when
a
nemesis
has
sold
to
on
on
the
first
occasion,
we
will
try
and
work
with
the
premises
and
and
mediate
and
help
and
support.
It
is
made
quite
clear
in
the
guidance
that
we
we
are
expected
to
try
and
help
and
mediate
with
and
support
businesses.
O
B
N
May
I
thank
mr
bateman
for
his
presentation
and
also
councillor
jenkins
and
councillor
novak
for
their
searching
and
questioning
of
the
evidence.
Can
we
take
it
that
we've
all
had
an
opportunity,
indeed
another
an
extra
15
minutes
to
view
all
the
evidence
and
that
we
are
and
could
actually
just
move
this
this
on
a
little
bit?
It's
a
very
important
matter
and
we've
taken
the
time
to
read
the
evidence
and
mr
bateman's
presentation
was
useful
and
councillor
jenkins
contribution
was
useful,
but
we
should
be
moving
on
with
this
really.
B
B
We
are,
we
are
going
to
be
moving
on
shortly,
so
I
would
now
like
to
invite.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
sharon.
I
will
make
it
a
question
and
we'll
move
on.
Hopefully,
when
everybody's
explored
what
they
want
to
explore.
Mr
bait
up,
you
did
make
reference
and
again
you
made
reference
to
victoria
park
and
eluded
to
make
a
connection
between
this
premises
and
victoria
park.
Do
you
have
maybe
with
a
simple
yes
or
no,
to
help
my
colleagues,
yes
or
no
of
any
direct
intelligence
that
links
victoria
park,
anti-social
behavior
with
this
storm.
I
C
B
C
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
I'll.
Just
briefly
repeat
it.
Hopefully,
mr
bait
up
is
able
to
hear
us
now,
maybe
just
a
simple,
yes
or
no
answer.
Mr
bait
up,
have
you
any
direct
intelligence
that
links
your
assertion
of
victoria
park
and
anti-social
behavior
with
these
particular
premises.
O
Yeah,
my
apologies
for
some
strange
reason.
I
got
I've
got
I've
got
phone
out
and
then
I
come
back
in
answer
to
cancer
jenkins
question.
No,
we
don't
have
any
direct
evidence,
but
nevertheless
I
am
aware
that
it
is
a
situation
that
that
is
relevant
and
I
thought
it
appropriate
to
raise
it.
But,
as
with
respect,
I
didn't
say
that
there
was.
There
was
direct
evidence.
I
said
that
there
were
issues
of
anti-social
behavior
in
in
victoria
park.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
K
Thank
you
so
my
question
is
this
particular
premises
license
holder
holding
this
license
since
2004,
but
then
you
know
he
sold
it
for
a
brief
period.
2014
2018,
so
kobe
happened
in
the
last
two
years.
K
O
Thank
you
in
response
to
that
question.
In
west
sussex,
we
literally
have
thousands
and
thousands
of
premises
to
deal
with,
and
we
operate
over
a
huge
geographical
area.
We
don't
just
deal
with
with
word
worthing
and
aider.
We
deal
with
crawley
chichester,
aaron
and
bobner
are
mid-sussex
and
and
a
number
of
other
licensing
authorities
all
are
all
our
operations
and
our
investigations
and
test
purchases
all
inevitably
have
to
be
intelligence-led,
and
there
was
no
no
intelligence
in
relation
to
the
shop
before
the
incident
in
in
2020.
O
But
we
we
don't
go
around.
You
know,
doing
fishing
expeditions
and
doing
test
purchases
at
premises
unless
we
have
specific
intelligence
to
to
justify
our
limited
time
and
resources
in
targeting
those
shops.
We
we,
we
have
a
very
small
team
and
we
inevitably,
we
have
to
concentrate
our
resources.
O
You
know
on
on
the
specific
specific
problems.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah,
in
that
case,
shiresh
charess,
would
you
like
to
make
a
statement
on
behalf
of
the
license
holder
for
the
committee.
K
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Well
what
I
would
like
to
say
chair.
I
think
I
got
involved.
You
know
the
day
before
reading
this
case
and
then
I
was
being
you
know.
I've
been
asking
questions
on
the
license
holder
and
the
tps
about
what
really
happens.
You
know,
if
you
look
at
the
history
of
this,
you
know
we
we
heard
about
that.
You
know
the
police
visited
three
times.
K
You
know
on
the
12th
of
january
21
and
then
you
know
the
report
says
whatever
it
says
and
21st
of
january
2021
on
second
times
and
then
there
are
a
number
of
matters
were
rectified.
You
know
they
said
on
the
report.
You
know
there
are,
a
number
of
cctv
is
always
working
and
the
police
were
able
to
carry
out
their
duties.
K
You
know,
even
with
less
days
able
to
take
a
video
photograph
you
know,
but
on
the
21st
second
visit
is
rectified
and
the
third
visit
I
know
it's
done
during
the
review,
but
on
the
7th
of
april
22,
the
police
inspection.
They
were
fully
satisfied
now
coming
back
to
this
incident
happened
with
the
three
children.
You
know,
it's
really.
You
know
applicant
that
the
dps
and
the
license
holder
both
of
them
are
really
shocked
and
they're.
They
are
really
you
know,
sad
about
you
know,
it's
not
intentionally
happens,
but
it
happens.
K
But
you
know
it's
really
terrifying.
You
know,
we
all
know
that
you
know
and
and
the
apple,
whether
the
life
of
holder
or
whether
the
dps
you
know
they
are
not
disputing
the
fact
and
they
are
accepting.
It
means
that
you
know
they
are
prepared
to
take
some
steps
now
in
terms
of
the
minor
variation
thing.
That's
the
other
questions.
I
ask
you
know
in
terms
of
their
responsibility.
K
So
it's
great,
you
know
what
david
mentioned.
You
know
they
had
a
meeting
and
the
letter
here
you
know
you,
you
seen
a
spot
document
submitted
and
in
the
letter
this
says
you
know
warning
letter
and
plus
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
conditions
suggested
and,
and
you
know
kindly
they
build
up,
fill
out
the
forms
and
send
it
and
then
that's
the
question.
K
I
ask
you
know
that
license
holder,
you
know,
give
it
to
the
gps
to
send
it
off
to
the
to
the
council,
but
what
the
dps
is
saying.
You
know
he
went
to
the
council
and
then
he
gave
it
in
person.
You
know
that's
what
he
said
you
know,
but
anyway,
that's
the
breakup.
I
think
they've
been
you
know
trying
to
do
that.
I
think
it's
for
them.
It's
like
a
bit
complicated
matter.
K
In
terms
of
I
mean,
even
though
you
know,
we
appreciate
the
help
so
now
coming
back
to
the
trading
standards,
you
know.
Obviously
you
know
we
have
sector
accepted
that
23rd
of
that
the
justice
which
has
failed
and
during
the
conversation
happened
between
him
and
the
mr
patel.
You
know.
K
Obviously
mr
patel
said
16
10
19,
20
21,
you
know
kind
of
age
limit,
so
you
know
I
mean
I
know
david
been
been
there
a
long
time
and
I
you
know,
I've
been
involved
in
training
and
developing
people
in
terms
of
licensing
also.
So
one
of
the
thing-
I
I
think
you
know
in
this
instance,
mr
patel,
is
really
failed
to
cross
the
idea
of
h
verification
policy
and
how
to
really
verify
challenge
25
what
it
really
means.
K
K
Yeah
october
19
and
the
license
holder
have
given
the
whole
responsibility
on
him,
and
the
thing
is,
you
know
the
mr
patel,
you
know
been
running
the
business
on
his
own,
his
wife.
Also
they
live
there
and
they
have
two
children
and
they,
you
know
they're
quite
responsible
people.
I
think
for
him.
He
failed
on
the
age,
verification
policy.
I
think
that's
what
I
see
actually
shortcomings.
K
So
I
think
that
what
we
we
all
I
mean
I
I
I
see
it
as
a
failure
on
him
and
the
license
holder
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
identifying
the
both
of
it
now.
You
know
where
we
are
right
now
chair.
K
You
know,
I
think,
revocation
of
the
license
is,
is
you
know
I
mean
it
seems
you
know
it's
inappropriate,
but
I
think
is
is,
is
you
know
it's
it's
not
it's
a
radical
and
I
think
you
know
the
actually,
the
I
would
you
know
request
it
to
consider.
You
know
the
other
options
available.
K
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
care.
You
know
we
proactively.
I
think
I
I
was
only
able
to
see
the
conditions
you
know
put
forward
by
the
police
after
I
put
forward
my
conditions,
but
if
you
you
know
looked
at
those
conditions
that
you
know
we
we
submitted,
but
they
are
very
useful
in
terms
of
you
know
really
addressing
the
the
matter
of
underrated
cells
and
chair.
You
know
I've
been
talking
about
this
waves
things
as
well.
K
You
know
that
might
concern
you
with
the
school
I've
been.
You
know
we
really
keep
asking
him
about
it.
I
I
think
one
of
the
thing
I
noticed
he
had
his
babes
outside
on
the
shelf
and
then
he
said
you
know
he
hasn't
been
selling,
but
I
told
him
that
you
know
there's
a
possibility
of.
They
might
have
steel.
K
You
know
those
things
happen
as
well,
so
he
now
you
know
responsibly,
keep
all
the
vapes
product
behind
in
order
to
prevent
that
any
any
and-
and
you
know
any
any
theft
from
it
and
in
the
meantime
you
know
he
is
very,
very
familiar
with
the
challenge.
25
now
really
he's
really
seriously
understood
what
it
really
means,
and
then
I
can
understand
is
the
difficulties
he
has
in
verifying.
You
know
people's
ages.
K
I
think,
on
page
nine,
the
guidance
where
you
know,
if
you
look
at,
I
think
it's
11.20
in
particular,
you
know
in
dealing
with
this
powers,
invoke
you
know,
possibly
you
know
looking
at
the
courses
and
the
concerns
we
have
and
really
addressing
it
and
also
further
on
you
know,
I
would
like
to
invite
you
to
look
at
you
know
page
number,
seven
you
know
and
the
guidance
where
12.11
you
know
where
they
say
is
conserving
the
review
arising
in
connection
with
you
know,
especially
on
great
cells,
rather
than
punishing
him
to
work
in
license
is
looking
like
a
punishment
and
looking
at
the
turrets
and
giving
another
opportunity
for
mr
patel.
K
Here
I
think
you
will
see
you
know.
Obviously
the
recorded
influences
you
know
is
I
mean
we
are
not
looking
at
here.
K
A
persistent
sales,
which
happens
normally
within
three
months
of
you,
know
things
but
right
what
we
are
looking
at
here.
You
know
over
a
two
years
period
and
also
please
we
will
have
to
really
consider
this
particular
prime
minister.
You
know
I
know,
mr
you
know
we
got
to
respect
this
particular
premises
because
it's
been
it's
been
there
more
than
30
40
years
and
current
premises
license
scholar
owned
this
premises
since
2004
since
2014
and
2018.
You
know
given
up
right
now.
You
know
since
october
2019.
K
You
know
he
has
given
that
to
mr
patel,
but
you
know
he's
holding
the
premises.
License
still
would
like
to
take
some
responsibility.
K
K
One
of
them
is
his
wife
and
the
other
staff,
and
we
are
looking
at
you,
know,
training
and
supporting
him
in
that,
and
then
also
the
prime
minister
holder
himself
today
said
that
you
know
he
would
be
happy
to
monitor
and
have
it
as
a
part
of
the
conditions
on
the
license
to
say
you
know
all
the
refusal
book
instant
books
are
signed
up
by
him
on
a
monthly
basis.
You
know
he's
happy
to
go
and
continue
to
do
that
and
also
part
of
the
condition
chair.
K
You
know
we,
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
to
educate
people.
There
are
courses
you
know
specifically
address,
because
if
you
look
at
the
personal
license
holder,
of
course,
it's
not
really
particularly
addressing
the
age
verification.
You
know
in
a
more
deeper
ways
and
a
lot
of
council
have
you
know
trading
standard.
They
carry
out
some
training,
but
you
know
I
know
the
bi,
the
examination
body
they
do
have
courses,
you
know,
for
you
know
particularly
h360
product,
so
I
would
recommend
really
you
know.
K
I
would
really
want
you
to
look
at
those
kind
of
options,
as
opposed
to
revoking
the
license.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say
chair.
Thank
you.
B
P
Oh
yeah,
prior
to
this
review,
did
the
the
premises
license
holder,
mr
curtis.
None
provide
any
training
to
the
dps.
That's
pretty
clear.
Any
licensee
has
to
ensure
that
the
dps
understands
that
that
is
their
license,
and
they
must
provide
the
training
to
hold
those
standards
and
and
represent
that
license,
because
that's
what
we've
granted
to
the
to
the
licensing,
who
I'm
sorry
it
seems
like,
is
in
a
period
of
transition
at
the
moment.
P
But
if
it's
still
his
license,
he
should
provide
training
to
mr
patel.
I
would
like
to
ask:
was
any
formal
training
provided
to
to
the
dps
before
he
took
post
on
in
2019.
K
Thank
you
consulate.
Yes,
so
what
was
the
training
done?
There
were
not
any
written
form
of
training
at
the
time,
but
he
definitely
went
through
what's
needed
to
be
done.
You
know
in
terms
of
looking
after
the
license
promoting
the
licensing
objectives
and
he
went
through
the
conditions
that
was
there
on
the
license
and
and
also
you
know,
under
his
sales.
You
know
what
other
things
he
has
to
do
in
terms
of
you
know
not
selling
to
underage
those
you
know,
training
were
carried
out.
K
P
K
Sorry
could
you
say
it
again?
Sorry,
I
think
I
wasn't
listening.
K
You
know,
I
agree,
I
think
other
training
was
provided,
you
know,
but
I
would
say
it
wasn't
really
good
enough
in
terms
of
the
age
verification
matters.
You
know.
Q
Q
So
does
the
I
said
it's
two
questions
I
suppose
does
the
license
holder,
except
that
they
had
a
you
know,
have
a
responsibility
to
to
make
sure
that
the
the
dps
is
abiding
by
the
the
conditions
of
the
license
and
given
the
the
license
holders
involvement
in
proceedings
with
suffix
police
after
the
incident
in
2020..
Q
Why
hasn't
the
license
holder?
As
far
as
I
can
tell
from
the
representations
I've
seen
from
from
the
license
hold
around
from
sussex
police
and
trading
standards,
done
more
to
make
sure
that
an
occurrence
of
alcohol
or
other
age-restricted
products
being
sold
to
to
minors
not
happened
again?
I
I
I
just
find
it
very
hard
to
to
to
kind
of
you
know
understand
why
so
either
that
that's
my
question,
but
I
just
find
it
very
hard
to
understand
how
we've
got
to
this
point
and
now.
K
Q
K
That
you
know
that's
a
fair
question,
but
if
you
look
at
the
history
of
this
place,
it's
called
a
particular
license
holder,
I'm
sure
you
know
you'll
be
able
to
check
with
simon
or
david
and
he's
been.
K
You
know
been
the
license
holder
and
the
gps
since
2004
for
this
particular
premises
and
then
in
2014
he
stopped
being
a
licensed
holder
and
the
gps,
and
then
he
came
back
in
2018
to
become
a
tps
and
the
license
holder,
but
in
2019
that
you
know
that
that
october
2019,
when
this
license
got
transferred
and
all
those
periods,
you
know
you
can
see
that
nearly
whatever
15
20
years,
you
know
he's
been
there
and
then
he's
been
responsible
and,
and
there
was
no
intelligence,
you
know
you
heard
from
the
police.
K
There
were
no
intelligence,
nothing
has
been
provided
in,
particularly
for
this
particular
promises
and
it's
been
over
a
part
of
the
community
shop
and
then
there
are,
you
know,
people
who
you
know
used
to
come
to
the
shop
and
they're
still
coming
and
now
so
in
this
incident.
You
know,
obviously
he
was
like
them.
You
know
totally
relying
on
mr
patel.
K
I
said
you
said
nato
promises
supervisor
and
then
he
failed
in
duties,
and
then
we
looked
at
you
know
where
we
are
ended
up
now
here
and
and
then
we
are
looking
at.
You
know
what
what
is
the
cause
of
it?
I
think
what
recommendation
is
you
know
still,
you
know
for
the
training
for
this,
mr
patel,
but
obviously
you
know
the
last
two
years
been
a
corbett
and
you
know
there
are
difficulties
is
meeting
and
providing
more
training
but
anyway.
Q
Sorry,
chair
may,
may
I
just
follow
up
please.
Q
Yeah
but
but
if
the
the
view
of
the
license
holder
is
that
the
the
the
the
mr
patel
should
be
provided
with
training
going
forward,
did
they
not
foresee
the
potential?
You
know
that
actually
it
may
be
necessary
to
provide
that
training
like
accept
the
code
but
provide
that
training
at
the
time
of
the
post
incident
and
not
wait
until
we
get
to
this
point
where
the
license
is
up
for
review
it.
Just
it
doesn't,
doesn't
nothing,
it
doesn't
sit
right
with
me.
I
don't
quite
you
know.
A
K
Up
where
we
ended
up,
but
if
you
look
at
this
history,
you
know
what
happened
on
the
june
2020,
that's
what
is
led
to
you
know
police,
having
like
going
in
there
for
three
times
looking
at
the
compliance
and
then
the
last
visit
was
fully
complied.
You
know
and
the
test
purchase
failure
was
one,
so
we
are
looking
at.
Two
incidences
happens,
but
it
happens.
You
know
shouldn't
have
happened,
so
you
know
we
never
wanted
to
happen
and
they
are
really
don't
want
that
happen.
K
R
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
the
comment
you
made
about
failing
to
grasp
the
verification,
the
age,
verification
policy
and
also
stating
that
seeing
the
free
children
being
completely,
you
know
very
drunk
and
needing
medical
assistance
and
describing
that
as
shocking
and
terrifying.
R
If
you
have
these
kind
of
the
license,
if
the
license
holder
has
these
kind
of
worries,
why
weren't
you
even
displaying
the
challenge?
25
posters
like
it,
feels
like
lots
of
the
things
you
were
given
to
try
and
rectify
not
grasping
the
age
of
the
children
or
the
age
of
anybody
coming
into
the
shop
wasn't
put
in
place.
So
I'd
like
to
know
why
the
challenge
posters
weren't
advertised,
that
you
know
it
feels
like
yeah,
I
know
you're
saying
you
need
more
training,
more
support,
but
what
what's
the
license?
R
K
Yeah,
but
I
I
know
it's
unfortunate-
it's
gonna
happen,
but
he
has
been
asking
id.
You
know
there
were
some
refusal
reports.
You
know
were
there,
so
it
means
that
you
know
it's
not
that
he's
been
doing
it
all
the
time.
So
that's
the
assumption
we
make
from
from
what
happens
you
know
so
the
challenge
25
notices,
were
there
what
I
passed
one
of
the
questions.
Thank
you.
I
was
asking.
You
know
why
it
wasn't.
There
was
how
long
it's
been
there
like
that.
So
the
question.
K
Another
reason
I
was
given
like
they
had
a
little
cleanup
and
they
failed
to
put
that
in
because
the
shop
has
been
there
for
low
very
long
time.
You
know
and
they
had
notices
previously
sticked
on,
and
you
know
I
mean
it
it's
great
that
they
helped
the
police
given
up
giving
some
notices
to
support
and
put
that
on.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
very
briefly,
if
I
made
sure
so,
let's
just
focus
on
the
question
rather
than
what's
happened,
but
my
knowledge
of
dps
and
license
holder
is
getting
a
bit
rusty
now,
but
you
know
not
only
should
we
be
having
refusals
look
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
most
responsible
premises
will
have
a
training
log,
the
training
logs,
the
dps
premises
license
and
how
that's
cascading
to
the
staff.
Are
you
able
to
reassure
us
or
even
demonstrate
to
us?
D
A
K
It
last
updated,
it
was
last
updated.
K
K
I'm
training
like
a
bit
of
a
comprehensive
training
going
through
ph
verifications
and
pid
type
of
ids,
and
that
kind
of
things,
and
it's
also
like
a
training
lock.
So
they
understand.
K
Oh
excellent,
thank
you
for
saying
that
so
mr
patel
conducted
me,
I
think
it's
early
mid
march
or
something
like
that,
and
he
told
me
these
things
happens.
So
I
went
through
some
training
in
terms
of
the
challenge:
25
and
the
age,
verification
policies,
and
things
like
that.
K
Well,
you
know
I
mean
he
had
himself
had
the
personal
license,
training
and
the
training
from
the
personal
license
holder,
but
right
now,
you're
right.
You
know
that
what
was
missing
in
in
terms
of
finding
the
right
training
to
address
what
really
what
the
particular
training
he
needed.
You
know.
So
that's
what
we
are
now
focusing
on.
J
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd
like
to
draw
the
committee's
attention
and
character's
attention
to
the
witness
statement
on
page
43
of
the
pcso.
J
K
So,
as
I
understood
so,
that
particular
story
was
picked
up
from
the
cctv.
K
K
I
mean
obviously
not
acceptable,
I'm
just
looking
at.
Could
you
please
tell
me
the
page
again
just
wanted
to
read
myself
and
get
there.
K
K
Well,
you
know,
I
can't
really
verify
this,
because
obviously
this
whole
story
is
picked
up
from
the
cctv.
Maybe
the
story
is
being
picked
up
from
the
witnesses,
but
it's
you
know
I
mean.
Obviously
you
know
I
can't
come
down
that
more
details,
but
I
think
what
I
see
is
it's
story
picture
from
the
cctv
as
opposed
to
a
real.
You
know,
life
event.
B
Okay,
can
we
move
on
to
the
next
question?
Please
counselor
hazelthorpe.
M
Thank
you
chair
on
page
four,
it
mentions
in
paragraph
3.4
that
actually
this
particular
shop
has
been
licensed
and
unlicensed
for
many
years
and
there
seems
to
have
been
an
in
an
emphasis
on
how
long
it's
been
opened
and
how
well
it's
been
run
in
the
past.
Should
we
not
be
focusing
on
what's
been
happening
since
2018
and
these
last
few
years,
and
certainly
my
question
is
also:
how
can
the
the
this
behavior
be
justified?
M
Is
it
purely
down
to
poor
management,
or
is
it
to
do
with
the
language
barrier?
K
Thank
you,
I
think
is,
I
would
say,
is
the
boat
and
mr
patel.
You
know
he
can't
read
and
speak,
but
I
think
he
has
some
difficulties.
I
think
the
particular
difficulties
he
has
like
I.
K
You
know
I
wanted
to
repeat
that
again,
the
you
know
verifying
the
age
verification
policy
and
how
to
really
implement
how
to
address
that,
because
long
time
you
know
he's
been
looking
at
the
people,
20
21
22,
you
know
he's
been
like
you
know
fold
in
his
experience,
but
I
think
that's
where
you
know
the
lack
of
training
on
that
part.
You
know
we
would
like
to
put
in
place
right
now,
but
in
terms
of
license
and
our
live
sense.
What
I
would
like
to
mention
is
definitely
this
premises.
K
You
know
the
license
holder
inherited
in
2004
and
and
then
since,
since
it's
been
already
always
been
licensed,.
M
Well,
it
states
in
the
report
that
it
has
been
unlicensed
with
respect,
and
I
just
I
just
feel
that
we
we
are
being
distracted
by
some
of
the.
F
With
your
permission
chair,
thank
you.
The
premises
was
first
licensed
in
2006.
According
to
the
records
I've
got
here
it.
I
I've
known
the
shop
in
the
past
before
it
was
licensed
when
it
was
just
news,
agents
and
sweet
shop
and
two
doors
down
was
a
an
old-fashioned
off
license
that
only
sold
liquor
and
it
as
those
old-fashioned
off
licenses
have
gone
and
convenience
stores
have
taken
over
and
according
to
my
records,
2006
was
the
first
time
this
was
licensed.
F
First
license:
I've
got
on
file
here
is
march
2006.
No,
it's
not
it's.
F
M
Could
could
I
ask
that
we
are
more
focused
on
what's
actually
happened
and
whether
there's
been
any
breach
which
would
possibly
cause
other
children
and
other
families
to
stress
in
the
future,
bearing
in
mind
that
we
are
in
a
very
bad
place
in
terms
of
our
children,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
at
risk
at
the
moment.
A
L
As
I
said
before,
I've
got
a
great
deal
of
knowledge
in
this
area
and
my
license
has
gone
back
for
many
years,
pre-personal
licenses.
So
I
know
for
fact
that
when
you
stand
to
get
a
personal
license,
you
have
very
extensive
training
and
then
that
training
is
backed
up
at
regular
intervals.
From
that
point
on-
and
I
think
council
of
jenkins
has
already
alluded
to
the
fact
that
part
of
that
training
includes
the
importance
of
not
only
having
a
training
matrix
that
is
kept
up
to
date,.
L
It's
coming
there
just
bear
with
me.
The
the
training
log
is
kept
up
to
date.
The
log
book
is
kept
up
to
date
and
clearly,
both
of
those
things
have
not
been
done.
Can
I
ask
oh
and
the
the
other
point
I
was
raising
is
when
I've
had
training
in
the
past.
It
has
been
available
in
various
different
languages.
L
So
can
I
ask
why
it
appears
that
mr
patel
has
not
done
this,
despite
his
representatives
sort
of
saying
he
has.
He
clearly
hasn't
and
I
want
to
know
why
it
hasn't
been
pursued.
K
Yeah
and-
and
your
further
point
about
that-
you
know
about
the
training
logs,
and
this
is
the
you
know
the
the
further
improvements
I
would
say
you
know
wanted
to
make,
but
also
concerning
this
particular
premises
is
run
by
mr
patel
and
to
other
staff.
You
know
it's
a
small
business,
you
know
they're,
not
really
a
high
level
of
business.
K
It's
a
small
retail
shop
and
mainly
the
local
peoples
are
coming
and
you
know
they
need
some
support.
Really,
you
know
I
mean
the
police
and
the
authorities
they've
been
really
helpful,
but
right
now
you
know
what
I
would
say
is
to
support
him
is
to
mr
direct
to,
through
the
condition
direct
to
the
right
training
program
that
is
available.
A
H
H
However,
when
I
listened
to
councillor
novak's
point,
quoting
the
statement
on
page
43.,
the
statement
seems
to
indicate
indicate
that
the
shopkeeper
told
him
to
put
it
straight
in
this
rucksack.
H
If
you
look
at
the
paragraph
before
that,
this
is
the
comment
of
a
allegedly
catastrophically
or
paralytically
drunk
14
year
old
who's
standing
next
to
his
mother.
That
exerts
an
influence
on
what
you
say
after
the
bit
quoted
by
councillor
novak
the
shopkeeper
told
him
to
put
it
straight
in
his
rucksack.
It
goes
on
and
said
I
went
and
found
the
empty
vodka
bottle,
so
this
this
puts
it
in
a
framed
time
frame
that
this
boy
said
it
at
that
moment.
This
boy
is
barely
sober
enough
to
stand
up
or
arguably
not
sober.
H
Sorry,
there
is
a
question.
Go
go
to
the
very
top
of
this.
This
statement
relates
to
an
incident
that
occurred
nearly
two
years
ago.
This
entire
statement
is
a
recollection
of
two
years
ago
and
my
question
would
be
to
mr
bata
or
miss
flanagan.
Would
this
kind
of
evidence
be
admissible
in
the
court
of
law.
I
Actually,
we
have
to
remember
that,
obviously
we're
not
with
a
completely
different
standard
here,
we're
on
the
balance
of
probabilities
and
we're
looking
at
the
revocation
of
the
license,
and
the
only
things
that
you
need
to
concern
with
are
obviously
the
promotion
of
the
licensing
objectives,
protected
children
from
harm
and
crime
and
disorder,
and
looking
at
that
alone,
all
of
the
evidence
you're
allowed
to
take
into
account
and
base
what
the
weight
that
you
want
to.
Basically,
obviously
I
can
advise
you
on
that.
You
can
take
hearsay.
I
P
Yes,
mr
calapathy,
I
was
I'm
quite
lost
here
because
both
mr
batup
and
mr
aston
both
reiterate
the
fact
that
training
is
available
on
the
on
the
trading
standards
website
in
multiple
multiple
languages
and
and
it's
freely
accessible
and
they've,
also
taken
the
time
to
be
able
to
point
you
at
that.
In
previous
circumstances,
when
it's
been
raised,
so
I'm
quite
lost
on
that
point.
So
it's
just
an
observation.
I'm
sorry
to
the
committee
yeah,
that's
just
what
how
I'm
feeling
about
that
that
conversation.
B
O
Thank
you,
obviously,
chad.
Your
time
is
moving
on
I'll,
be
quite
brief.
With
reference
to
the
the
the
issue
of
the
the
statement
from
the
pcso
and
and
the
the
alleged
verbal
statement
from
the
the
14
year
old
boy
thresh,
you
said
that
the
that
this
was
all
gleaned
from
looking
at
the
cctv.
O
Could
you
confirm
for
me,
did
the
cctv?
Did
it
record
sound
and
did
the
cctv
record
sound
of
of
mr
patel
talking
to
the
boy.
O
No
thank
you
one
other
very
quick
point
to
ash.
Mr
patel
is
a
personal
license.
Holder,
isn't
he
yeah
and
in
order
to
be
a
personal
license
holder,
he
has
to
receive
training
and
he
has
to
actually
pass
an
exam
in
order
to
be
a
personal
license
holder,
it's
a
little
bit
like
taking
a
driving
test
before
you
can
drive
a
car,
isn't
it
yeah
and
and
it
is
it
surely
not
so
I'll?
Let
you
answer
that
bit.
First
of
all,
I'm
interacting.
O
And
is
it
not
the
case
that
when
you
you,
you
take
your
exam
to
a
personal
license,
holder
the
the
challenge
25
and
an
age
restricted
sales
is
very
much.
You
know
a
basic
subject
and
an
essential
key
to
that
elementary
training
to
become
a
personal
license,
holder.
K
Yes,
I
agree
it
does,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
even
the
the
bii,
the
examination
body
like
that
they
have
designed
a
number
of
other
supporting
training
for
even
being
at
dps.
There's
another
training,
for
if
you
want
to
be
a
designated
premise,
supervisor
there's
a
further
training
they
can
go.
You
know
to
top
it
up,
because
one
time
training
through
a
personal
license,
you
know,
is
always
supported
by
further
intensive
training.
Addressing
the
particular
matters
would
be
much
more
powerful.
I
think
you
know.
B
G
Sorry
about
that
counsellor
bit
confusing
suresh.
Could
I
put
a
question
to
you
with
regards
to?
Are
you
aware
that
the
there
was
a
working
till
prompt
on
restricted
products
at
the
premise.
K
A
G
G
So
you're
aware
that
every
time,
alcohol
or
other
restricted
products
are
put
through
the
till
there
will
be
an
indication
on
the
till
to
prompt
mr
patel
to
to
ask
to
challenge
the
age
of
the
consumer
or
yeah
child.
In
this
case,.
B
K
Chair,
thank
you.
I
know
all
I
would
like
to
say
chair.
I
think
I
know
the
authorities
wanted
to
look
at
the
only
one
option
which
is
to
rework
the
license,
but
what
I
would
like
to
invite
you
to
look
at
you
know
considering
you
know
considering
the
improvements
it's
been
happening.
You
know
only
looking
at
the
history
and
is
happened
like
over
the
two
years
like
two
times
and
you
know
considering
the
applicant.
Has
you
know
other
I
mean
dps
has
made
some
improvements.
K
I
would
like
to
look
at
you
know
not
really
giving
a
punishment
looking
at
way
to
deter
this
not
happening
and
and
looking
at
positively
the
conditions
that's
provided
by
us,
but
at
the
same
time
chair,
you
know,
obviously
there's
a
condition
provided
by
the
police
as
part
of
the
extra
documents
of
the
letter,
so
you
could
combine
and
I
think
we
set
out
with
the
dps
and
the
license
holder,
those
conditions
that
we
put
forward.
K
You
know,
so
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say,
but
if
you
like
to
hear
from
the
apple
the
dps.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
Okay,
some
trading
standards.
Please
is
there
any,
would
you
like
to
make
a
summing
up.
G
Well,
not
really
a
chair,
but
you
know.
I
know
that
trish
has
mentioned
that
you
know
revoking.
The
license
will
put
the
mr
patel
out
of
business,
but
you
know
this
suggests
to
me
that
the
the
business
is
very
fragile
and
unsustainable
and
therefore
we
think
there
was
always
going
to
be
potential
for
mr
patel
to
to
revert
back
to
his
old
ways
and
take
a
chance.
G
So
I
just
really
wanted
to
emphasize
that
you
know
we
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
revoke
the
license
in
this
case.
B
O
Thank
you
jay,
I'm
time's.
Moving
on,
I
will
be
very
brief.
As
I
said
in
my
presentation.
I
know
the
the
section
182
guidance
is
quite
clear
on
this
matter.
Unfortunately,
there's
nothing.
I
have
heard
from
suresh
acting
for
the
applicant
today
that
changes
my
mind
on
the
matter.
O
I
I
would
suggest
that
you
need
to
consider
in
your
your
deliberations
whether
the
risk
of
of
allowing
this
premises
to
keep
its
alcohol
license
in
view
of
what
we've
heard
today
is
is
too
great,
and
I
would
reckon
I
would
ask
you
to
seriously
consider
revoking
the
premises
license.
Thank
you.
S
Mr
cordison,
here
I
have
a
similar
business
since
1991
and
I
unders
several
business
and
in
wording
in
clipton
food
and
wine
in
2004.
I
had
a
license
from
august.
I
don't
know
how
mr
dave
scott
2009,
but
I
have
a
license
since
2004
and
I
was
running
the
business
until
2014
12.
Then
I
sold
the
business
and
ik
I'm
the
landlord
then
four
years
that
mr
singh
run
it.
Then
he
left
without
noticing
everything
I
have
trouble.
S
That's
the
reason
I
when
I
take
off
the
shop-
and
I
I
keep
my
license
and
many
when
it
gives
to
mr
patel-
I
keep
as
a
licensed
holder,
but
on
that
I
don't
want
to
give
any
more
excuses.
But
I
know
this:
what
happened
is
it's
very
bad
and
I
I
I
was
running
at
several
shops
in
fulham
catford
and
I
never
had
any
problem.
Never
had
any
this
this
these
things
have.
I
know
it's
not
the
first
time
they
have
been.
This
is
a.
S
I
had
a
first
time,
I'm
sitting
here
and
this
in
this
one,
but
I
was
running
a
several
shops
and
over
100
stuff
never
had
any
problem.
I
never
sold
any
underage
sales.
I
never
engaged
anything
like
that,
but
this
is
the
first
time
I
had
to
listen
all
this
that
and
if
you
give
me
one
more
opportunity,
I
make
sure
they're
never
going
to
do
that
again
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
B
Thank
you.
Are
all
parties
now
satisfied
that
they've
said
all
they
wish
to.
B
Yeah,
okay
right,
we
will
now
go
into
private
session
to
consider
the
matter
and
make
a
decision.
The
decision
will
not
be
announced
tonight.
The
decision
will
be
published
within
five
days.
Can
I
just
pass
over
to
you
now
chris,
please.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
that
the
process
now
is
that
I
will
stop
the
live
stream
and
everyone
who
is
not
on
the
committee
or
the
legal
advisor
will
leave
the
meeting
and,
as
the
chair
said,
a
decision
will
be
published
within
five
working
days
and
sent
to
all
parties.