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A
My
first
duty
is
to
read
out
the
chairman's
notice.
Please
note
that
this
meeting
is
being
live
recorded.
You
put
your
hand
up,
sir.
Are
we
being
live
record
yeah?
Thank
you.
Please
note.
This
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
and
a
link
to
the
recording
of
the
meeting
is
available
on
the
council's
website.
A
The
recording
will
begin
at
the
commencement
of
the
meeting
and
will
conclude
when
I
have
declared
the
meeting
is
closed.
The
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
to
view
for
one
year
and
will
be
deleted
after
that
period.
The
council
has
advertised
all
the
planning
applications
to
be
considered
this
evening.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
There
is
no
fire
alarm
planned
during
the
meeting.
Therefore,
if
the
fire
alarm
sounds
please
leave
by
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly
point
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings.
The
assembly
point
is
front
of
the
museum
in
chapel
road.
Please
remain
at
the
assembly
point
until
advised
it
is
safe
to
return
to
the
building.
B
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
harman.
Are
there
any
substitutes
tonight,
councillor
lionel
harmon?
You
are
substituting
for.
A
C
A
A
A
I
have
to
advise
you
that
there
are
no
items
to
be
raised
under
urgency
provisions,
and
I
should
advise
you
that
james
appleton
will
proceed
with
presenting
the
planning
applications
to
be
considered
by
the
committee
this
evening
and
the
the
first.
The
first
application
is,
in
your
bundle,
pages
2
to
36
application
number.
E
A
There
are
three
planning
applications
on
item
six:
the
agenda
this
evening
due
to
some
travelling
issues
of
speakers
on
application
number
one.
We
will
be
considering
application
two
before
application
number
one.
So
I
shall
now
turn
to
application.
Two.
A
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chairman
I'll,
just
start
off
with
the
aerial
view
of
this
particular
property
number
nine
grackwick
road,
which
is
towards
the
southern
end
of
gratwick
road.
F
The
property
is
here,
it
does
have
existing
dormers,
as
you
can
see
and
rear
projections
and
there's
the
front
elevation
of
the
double
bay
fronted
dwelling
on
the
west
side
of
gratwick
road.
As
the
report
sets
out
as
you've
mentioned
chairman.
F
It's
called
a
sui
generous
use
because
it
doesn't
fall
with
any
particular
use
class.
So
a
large
hmo
requires
planning
permission
but
effectively.
What
we
have
here
is
an
application
that
increases
the
number
of
occupants
to
eight
from
six.
That
would
be
carried
out
without
planning
commission,
so
that's
the
existing
accommodation
which
shows
a
study,
dining
lounge,
kitchen
area
and
the
bedrooms,
one
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
five
on
upper
floors.
F
F
F
In
terms
of
those
issues,
the
police
have
commented
that
there
would
need
to
be
appropriate
management,
and,
quite
often
it
is
the
management
controls
that
help
to
address
some
of
those
issues,
and
the
other
matters
that
are
set
out
in
the
report
is
that
the
council
now
has
wider
licensing
powers
over
houses
and
multiple
occupation
and
our
private
sector.
Housing
team
have
a
number
of
standards
for
houses
and
multiple
occupation
to
ensure
an
appropriate
level
of
kitchen
dining
facilities
and
bathrooms
are
available
for
the
occupants.
F
In
this
particular
case,
the
private
sector,
housing
team
are
satisfied
that
the
the
the
standards
are
met
or
exceeded,
and
they
feel
that
the
number
of
toilets
and
bathrooms
one
on
the
ground
floor
two
on
the
second
it's
on.
First
and
one
on
the
second
floor
is
sufficient,
as
well
as
the
kitchen
and
dining
facilities
indicated.
F
So
in
terms
of
the
standards
that
we
would
look
to.
This
would
be
appropriate
for
meeting
our
license
regulations
which
are
separate
to
planning,
but
under
planning.
There
is
the
opportunity,
as
you
see,
one
of
the
recommended
conditions,
to
have
some
a
management
plan
for
dealing
with
tenancies
and
for
any
issues
with
with
occupants
on
an
ongoing
basis,
so
that
that's
something
that
can
be
covered
by
planning
condition
and
we've
used
that
planning
condition
in
the
past.
F
F
I
have
been
handed
just
before
the
meeting
a
report
that
the
residents
one
of
the
residents
handed
me
as
a
dated
february
20.
F
F
Whilst
I
haven't
read
the
report
because
it's
a
long
report,
I've
just
flicked
through
the
conclusion
and
a
number
of
those
conclusions
about
stricter
licensing
and
management-
are
issues
that
your
officers
are
aware
of
and
and
certainly
the
government
in
more
recent
years
has
strengthened
licensing
and
our
private
sector
housing
team
do
work
hard
to
ensure
that
license
requirements
are
met
in
planning
terms.
It's
not
considered
that
this
is
a
an
over-intensification
given
the
size
of
the
property.
F
There
is
a
slightly
increased
parking
shortfall,
but
car
park,
car
ownership
levels
are
very
low
in
central
ward
and
particularly
for
this
type
of
accommodation.
So
in
many
respects
the
reality
is
that
car
ownership
would
be
less
if
it
was
than
perhaps
as
a
large
family
house.
F
A
Members,
do
you
have
any
queries,
councillor
silman
first.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Mr
appleton,
I
was
a
bit
concerned
about
the
space
at
the
back
and
the
necessary
provision
of
secure
cycle,
storage
and
residents
concerns
that
people
will
congregate
on
the
pavements
at
the
front
because
there
isn't
any
space
elsewhere
where
they
can
sit
and
have
a
cigarette
or
sit
outside
talk
to
each
other.
So
can
you
give
me
some
idea
as
to
what
will
be
left
at
the
back
once
the
cycle
storage?
Is
there?
G
F
No,
I
mean
if
I
can
just
point
to
the
area
there,
it
might
be
easier
on
the
screen
closer
to
you,
that's
the
the
kitchen
that
has
a
door
into
the
the
the
communal
garden
area,
which
you
can
see
there.
I
mean
there
is
space
there
for
a
a
a
bike
store.
There
is
a
small
communal
garden
area,
we're
in
a
town
centre,
location,
so
gardens
are
very
small,
but
there
is
clearly
space
to
the
side
and
to
the
rear
to
have
some
communal
facility.
F
G
Thank
you.
I
have
a
second
one.
Yes,
can
you
tell
me
what
efforts
or
what
you've
made
or
what
discussions
there
have
been
in
connection
with
sustainability,
which
again
isn't
mentioned
in
this
property,
and
I'm?
G
I
do
think
that,
in
view
of
our
climate
emergency
and
all
that,
we
now
know
about
the
urgent
need
to
reduce
energy
consumption.
G
F
Yes,
and
I
I
think
that
there
was
some
concern
from
local
residents
that
works
were
proceeding
in
advance
of
planning
permission.
That's
really
really,
you
know
obviously
works
we're
starting
to
convert
the
property
to
a
six
bed
hmo.
F
I
know
that
it's
something
that
is
always
raised
with
applicants,
but
as
the
the
works
were
very
minimal
in
terms
of
the
conversion
of
an
existing
property.
We
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
from
the
applicants
about
what
measures
they
have
considered
in
relation
to
sustainability
measures.
F
We
have
a
chairman
added
a
condition
to
require
some
additional
information
in
relation
to
measures,
so
certainly
the
opportunity
to
incorporate
water-saving
devices
to
given,
where
a
water-stressed
area
and
to
consider
other
sustainability
matters.
So
I'm
certainly
happy
to
add
an
additional
condition
to
cover
that
chairman.
If
members
feel
that
it's
appropriate.
A
Thank
you,
mr
appleton.
I
I've
got
councillor
dean
first
and
then
councillor
harman.
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Could
I
just
ask
you,
mr
upton,
just
to
enlarge
on
the
issue
of
numbers
of
occupants
and
and
the
comparison
between
the
hmo
under
permitted
development
and
the
hmo
through
coming
through
planning
as
a
large
hmo?
H
F
Chairman,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
hmo
licensing,
but
certainly
in
the
discussions
with
the
private
sector,
housing
team.
They
quite
often
look
at
standards
per
occupant.
So
if
they
consider
this
kitchen
is
appropriate
and
that
size
dining
room,
then
that
does
seem
to
be
something
that
would
be
covered
in
terms
of
the
the
licensing.
It's
certainly
something
we
can
take
up
with
the
private
sector.
Housing
team,
obviously
we're
considering
it
under
planning.
So
we
do
have
the
ability
to
impose
that
condition.
F
You'll
see
that's
one
of
the
recommended
conditions
here
in
terms
of
the
small
and
large
and
when
you
go
from
a
small
to
a
large,
the
there
has
been
some
interest
in
case
law
on
that
I
think
we
we
have
had
a
situation
where
we've
determined
that
seven
could
be
appropriate
under
a
small
hmo.
So
as
always,
it
is
normally
up
to
six
and
beyond
that
is
then
classed
as
a
large
hmo.
A
Thank
you
councillor
lionel
harman
and.
C
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
It
was
actually
a
supplementary
to
the
quest
I
asked
previously.
So
just
go
back
a
step
to
the
conversation
we
are
having.
H
What
I
was
trying
to
get
clarity
on
is:
do
we
have
more
control
on
the
number
of
occupants
we
have
in
a
large
hmo,
going
through
planning
process
than
we
do
with
a
small
hmo
with
permitted
development.
In
other
words,
are
there
any
controls
on
the
numbers
that
can
be
occupied?
I
understand
it's
a
matter
of
six
units,
but
can
there
even
effect
be
12
people
living
in
those
six
units,
whereas
we're
putting
a
limit
of
eight
occupants
in
total
on
an
eight
unit,
large
hmo.
F
We
certainly
have
greater
planning
control
with
a
large
hmo,
because
obviously
we
have
the
ability
to
put
management
conditions
and
other
matters
on
that
we
wouldn't
with
a
small
hmo.
So
from
that
point
of
view,
we
do
have
more
control
in
relation
to
a
small
hmo.
Usually
the
determining
factor
is
that
the
number
is
restricted
to
six
when
you
go
beyond
that,
you're
likely
to
then
be
straying
into
a
large
hmo
and
then
constituting
a
change
of
use,
but
that's
on
a
fact
and
degree
basis.
F
So,
as
I
say,
there
has
been
an
issue
an
inch,
an
instance
where
we've
allowed
seven
in
a
a
small
hmo
on
a
significant
lawfulness.
But
yes,
I
think
the
general
point
is
we
get
more
control
through
the
planning
process
than
we
did
with
than
we
would
under
permitted
development.
A
A
And
you're
welcome
to
sit
when
you're
ready
to
speak.
If
you
press
the
green
button
on
the
microphone
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
I
Evening
I
moved
into
graduate
road
over
10
years
ago
we
took
a
lot
of
time
searching
for
the
right
place
as
it
was
to
be
the
first
time
in
nearly
30
years.
I'd
been
living
on
my
own,
I
needed,
first
and
foremost
to
feel
safe
and
from
day
one
gratwick
afforded
me
that
that
feeling
over
the
last
few
years
has
been
eroded
by
the
arrival
of
three
hmos
in
the
lower
end
of
our
street.
I
With
their
arrival,
there
has
been
a
noticeable
increase
in
anti-social
behaviour
in
the
road
noise
shouting
at
all
times,
wanting
drugs
or
money
threatening
each
other
dealing.
This
is
done
openly
both
ends
of
the
road,
massive
verbal
arguments
in
the
street
and,
of
course,
the
smell
of
drugs
and
an
increase
in
vandalism,
broken
windows,
burglaries.
I
I
I
love
the
street
because
it's
so
varied,
but
a
fourth
hmo
makes
it
top
heavy
to
you.
It
may
appear
just
two
extra
rooms.
So
what
what's
the
difference?
But
number
nine
has
never
been
an
hmo
last
summer
it
was
home
to
andy
and
his
wife
and
one
car
when
it
was
sold.
It
was
converted
into
supposedly
a
six-bed
hmo.
I
We
couldn't
object
because
you,
the
council,
allows
this
to
happen
with
no
planning
talking
to
the
builders
is
always
was
intended
to
be
an
eight,
which
is
what
it
is
at
the
moment.
It
has
never
been
occupied
as
an
hmo,
so
we
are
expected
to
suck
it
up
and
potentially
have
four
cars
and
visitors
in
the
street.
You
say:
eight
people
really
over
over
time.
Montague
and
roland
has
changed
it's
great,
more
vibrant.
I
It
brings,
but
it
brings
its
own
problems
as
the
use
of
the
road
increases
and
parking
is
an
issue
in
an
already
saturated
road,
and
you
want
to
add
to
it.
I
know
permit,
for
the
zone
is
for
his
own,
not
street,
but
I've
had
to
park
as
far
away
as
he
rode
and
walk
home
alone
in
the
dark
makes
me
feel
vulnerable
by
increasing
hmo.
You
increase
the
potential
number
of
cars
with
or
without
permit
fighting
for
space.
Believe
me,
loading
and
unloading.
I
Grandchildren
is
a
hazardous
task
when
a
fire
brigade
was
called
to
next
door.
Valuable
time
was
wasted
when
it
couldn't
get
down
the
road.
Eventually
it
had
to
back
up
and
come
in
from
the
other
end.
I
know
people
need
homes
really
I
do,
but
what
about
those
already
trying
to
make
a
home
in
the
street?
Don't
we
matter?
A
Thank
you
sue.
If,
if
you
could
just
hang
on
a
minute
members,
if
you
just
stay
in
your
seat
for
a
minute
members,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
speaker?
No,
thank
you.
Ma'am.
You
may
return
to
your
seat.
A
J
Okay
good
good
evening.
J
Evening,
I'd
like
to
take
the
point,
first
of
all
that
sue
raised
in
that
you
are
working
from
purely
a
paper
exercise
and
not
reality
in
that,
as
she
mentioned,
that
the
house
was
first
used
and
was
used
up
until
the
summer
of
last
year
as
a
private
property,
a
family
house
and
it's
never
ever
been
used
as
a
six
or
now
an
eight
bedroom
hmo.
So
when
you
talk
about
in
your
parking
in
your
proposals,
it's
only
potentially
one
space.
J
J
If
you
take
the
first
or
second
paragraph,
they
mentioned
that
worthing
in
sussex
has
a
higher
crime
rate
than
average
of
the
rest
of
sussex,
but
they
have
no
issues
with
an
hmo
going
in
and
potentially
causing
more
disturbance
and
in
three
or
four
paragraphs
later.
They
also,
then
state
that
historically
and
I
actually
lived
in
an
hmo
area
before
moving
to
worthing.
Historically,
there
are
more
crimes
committed
where
there
are
more
hmos,
very
contradictory,
and
I
do
not
understand
their
point
of
view
and
how
they
can
argue
that
particular
case.
J
J
I
would
again
put
it
to
sue.
Would
that
would
that
be
an
environment
that
you
would
like
to
to
live
in?
Thirdly,
I
think
also
you
talk
about
affordable,
looking
for
affordable
accommodation,
and
I
sympathize
that
we
need
to
do
more
for
for
housing
and
to
find
where
people
live.
But
if
you
look
on
the
prices
that
is
that
this
investment
company-
it's
not
a
private
individual,
this
investment
company
are
trying
to
gain
is
a
minimum
of
575
pounds,
excluding
utility
bills.
J
A
K
A
When,
when
you're
ready
ma'am,
if
you
you'll
have
three
minutes
and
if
you
press
the
green
button
on
the
microphone.
K
K
The
national
planning
policy
framework
states,
a
social
objective
and
one
of
the
social
objectives
is
support
suit,
to
support
strong
and
healthy
communities
by
ensuring
that
a
sufficient
number
and
a
range
of
homes
can
be
provided
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
present
future
and
generations,
and
I'm
sure
you
know
it.
In
my
opinion,
hmos
do
not
support
communities,
health,
social
and
cultural
well-being.
In
fact,
I
would
go
further
and
I
would
suggest
that
these
types
of
developments
positively
harm
these
communities,
health,
social
and
cultural
well-being,
and
I'm
not
being
limbish
about
this.
K
I
think
they
harm
the
people
who
live
in
them
as
much
as
the
people
who
live
beside
them
in
2020.
The
strength
of
opposition
of
over-development,
of
hmos
in
wards
joining
to
the
town
centre
was
clearly
expressed
by
the
council
in
the
planning
committee
meeting
held
on
wednesday,
the
12th
of
august
and
reported
in
the
local
press
at
the
time.
Luckily,
for
you,
it
seemed
that
kobe
turned
up
just
in
time
and
all
this
got
pushed
under
the
carpet.
K
Having
to
live
in
one
of
these
places
and
fiji
limited
and
others
like
them,
that
are
the
council's
way
out
of
not
facing
up
to
their
responsibilities,
about
the
homeless
and
the
residents
alike,
and
let's
face
it,
these
people
are
not
in
it.
It's
a
charitable
organization
they're
in
it
to
make
a
buck
it's
to
for
their
own
political
gain.
K
I
gave
the
planning
committee
a
very
shocking
report
from
newcastle
university,
which
I
hope
he
will
share
with
you,
because
what
it
says
is
shocking
really
about,
and
most
of
it
goes
on
about
mental
health
and
the
people
who
live
in
these
places
and
the
mental
health
issues
that
they
suffer.
K
K
I
will
now
conclude:
I
will
go
to
my
conclusion,
which
is
a
shame,
and
I
would
say
it's
shocking
how
many
hmos
there
are
in
the
and
in
the
wording
core
strategy
on
housing,
no
specific
strategy.
There
is
no
specific
strategy
on
hmos,
and
now
we
stand
here
as
a
community
two
years
later,
a
sad
state
of
affairs
before
this
committee.
You
could
finish
now
please.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
If
you'd
like
to
hang
on,
if
you'd
like
to,
if
you'd
like
to
stay
a
minute
members,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
speaker?
Yes,
councillor,
mccabe.
L
Thanks
chair
thanks,
miss
saxon
and
thanks
to
everybody,
who'd
spoken
tonight.
It's
really
important.
Your
voices
are
heard.
So
thank
you
for
coming
along.
I
just
wondered.
I
missed
exactly
what
you
were
referring
to
about.
You
said
about
august.
Was
it
a
planning
committee?
You
were
talking
about
a
planning.
K
And
many
of
the
councillors
at
that
meeting
raised
concerns
about
the
over
development
of
hmos
in
worthy
and
particularly
in
our
part
of
town,
the
central
ward,
unfortunately,
for
us
in
that
ward,
at
that
time,
covet
came
along
and
everything
kind
of
disappeared
and
nobody
it
was
never
taken
up
and
still
you
know,
we
have
the
worthing
core
strategy
and
there's
no
real
policy
on
hmos,
and
we
talk
about
management
with
these
things,
and
you
know
you
only
have
to
look
at
these.
K
I
myself
had
to
ring
manage
an
agent,
a
management
agent
for
this
particular
property,
because
it
was
in
such
a
state
of
disrepair
at
the
front
of
it.
I
finally
called
them
up
and
said
you
must
do
something
about
this,
and
I
have
I
have
an
hmo
next
door
to
me
and
the
neighbors
have
come
to
me
and
said:
can
you
please
speak
to
the
landlord
because
he
will
speak
to
you?
We've
got
water
coming
down
our
walls
and
we've
got
mold
everywhere.
K
A
I
think
I
think
you've
answered
the
question.
Ma'am
members
are
any
more
questions
for
the
speaker.
No
thank
you.
Ma'am.
If
you'd
like
to
return
to
your
seat,
that'd
be
lovely.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
people
who
have
spoken.
I
have
to
say
that
I
actually
agree
with
all
of
the
concerns
that
you
raise
and
I
have,
as
I
have
real
reservations
about
hmos
in
general,
just
like
to
have
put
that
on
record.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
yes,
I
thank
you
very
much
for
those
who
have
spoken
this
evening.
I
I
suppose
I
I
I'm
gonna
have
to
sort
of
give
the
reality
of
the
situation,
and
this
is
one
that
I
think
you
perhaps
don't
don't
realize.
H
I
should
preface
that
by
saying
I,
I
understand
the
concerns,
and
I
remember
I
was
at
that
meeting
in
in
2020,
when
we
did
discuss
the
situation
of
the
proliferation
of
hmos
in
certain
areas
and
the
difficulties
of
getting
some
control
on
the
balance
of
of
different
types
of
housing
within
within
that
area,
but
the
reality
is
and
that
this
is
why
I
was
asking
the
questions
of
the
officer
after
he
made
his
presentation.
H
H
This
is
not
something
we
can
intervene
on,
it's
not
it.
H
What
permitted
development
is
that
allows
is
development
outside
planning
regulations,
so
the
choice
for
us
looking
at
this
application-
and
I
I
you
know-
I
regret
to
have
to
say
this-
but
the
choice
for
us
is
between
allowing
that
permitted
development
to
go
ahead,
because
we
can't
intervene.
H
To
allow
that
permitted
development
to
go
go
ahead
with
with
six
or
six
units
or
a
development
which
is
does
come
within
planning
control
with
eight
units
now.
Clearly,
the
intention
of
the
owners
of
that
property's
property
is
to
go
ahead
with
at
least
the
the
six
units
and
I'll
say
our
choice
is
whether
we
in
effect
take
control
through
planning
of
the
of
a
development
as
a
large
hmo.
H
I
think
my
preference
is
to
say,
let's
at
least
have
it
under
planning,
control
and
control
the
number
of
residents
that
can
be
there
control
the
management
as
part
of
the
controls
which
we
can
put
in
under
conditions
of
of
this
application.
But
I'm
afraid
that
is
the
limit
of
what
we
can
do.
I'm
I'm
sorry
about
that.
But
that
is
the
limit
of
what
we
can
do.
C
I
think
looking
at
it
now,
it's
quite
obvious
that
they've
gone
through
the
permitted
development
side
of
it
to
get
the
hmo
there.
So
there's
then
the
precedent
set,
so
they
can
then
add
the
other
two
rooms
on.
So
I
sympathize
with
the
residents
entirely,
but
I
think
now
we
have
to
take
control.
I
can't
see
how
we
can
vote
against
it,
but
at
least
we
can
put
in
conditions
to
make
sure
that
this
is
managed
properly
from
this
point
forward.
F
F
Chairman,
I
just
a
couple
of
comments
because
it
is
a
difficult
application
for
members
to
deal
with,
but
by
the
same
token
we
have
since
2020,
when
that
report
was
considered
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time,
assessing
what
we
can
and
can't
do
through
the
local
plan,
and
in
november
we
spent
three
weeks
trying
to
defend
the
council's
position
that
we
couldn't
meet
our
future
housing
needs.
Despite
that,
it
does
lend
and
cause
some
of
these
real
acute,
affordable
housing
problems
in
the
town.
F
We
just
haven't,
got
the
land
available
to
meet
our
future
housing
needs
and
the
local
plan
inspector
recognized
that
we
were
only
meeting
26
percent
of
our
future
housing
needs,
and
that
would
inevitably
lead
to
some
significant
problems
in
terms
of
delivering,
affordable
housing
and
we've
seen
a
massive
increase
in
the
demand
for
emergency
and
temporary
accommodation
and
as
the
the
evidence
that
supports
the
local
planned
states.
F
We
have
to
do
what
we
can
to
provide
additional,
affordable
housing,
and,
quite
often
it
is
the
hmo
type
of
accommodation
and
conversion
and
higher
density
developments
in
town
centres.
That
at
least
give
us
some
contributing
contribution
to
meeting
future
housing
needs,
so
it
is
a
really
difficult
one
and
obviously,
where
you
do
have
higher
density.
The
local
plan
would
support
that
in
town
centre
locations
close
to
all
amenities
and
public
transport
and
everything
else.
So
this
is
an
area
where
we
would
expect
to
see
higher
density
development,
but
there
are
sometimes
knock-on
effects.
F
We
are
trying
to
deal
with
those
through
planning
conditions.
A
lot
of
the
hmos
that
have
historically
not
been
licensed,
the
hmo
legislation
changed
in
2018
and
we
do
have
a
lot
more
control
since
2018,
through
licensing
but
through
planning.
As
I
say,
it's
only
really
these
larger
hmos
that
we
can
start
imposing
those
planning
conditions.
F
So
I
do
echo
members
thoughts
here
that
this
is
an
opportunity
to
impose
those
conditions
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
recommend
the
additional
one
on
sustainability,
councillor
silman,
but
the
management
plan
and
working
with
the
operators
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
issues
is
probably
a
far
better
way
than
the
unregulated,
smaller
hmo.
Without
those
planning
conditions.
G
You
john,
thank
you,
mr
appleton.
Yes,
I
agree
with
with
everything
that
council
ladine
has
already
said.
It
is
one
of
the
dilemmas
that
we
have
now
because
permitted
development
law
is
national
government
law.
We
don't
change
it,
we
don't
make
it.
We
have
to
operate
within
it
and
on
balance-
and
it's
the
worst
of
two
very
unpleasant
realities,
I
would
go
with
supporting
planning
controls
on
an
8
unit.
Hmo
then
giving
it
a
free
for
all
to
the
freeholder,
this
investment
company
to
do
what
they
like
in
a
six-bedroomed
hmo.
M
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
everyone.
That's
spoken
this
evening.
Unfortunately,
a
six-bedroom
hmo
can
be
done
under
permitted
development,
which
means
there
could
be
more
than
one
person
living
in
each
of
those
rooms.
So
you
may
get
12
people
in
there,
but
having
a
larger
eight
bid
on
hmo,
we
can
impose
a
condition
that
only
one
person
is
allowed
to
live
in
a
room,
so
it
would
just
be
the
eight
people.
M
A
Thank
you
councillor,
wills.
Are
there
any
other
members
that
would
like
to
join
the
debate
right
as
I
see
no
further
hands?
I
will
now
close
the
debate
and
go
to
the
vote.
Can
I
have
a
proposal?
Well,
let
me
just
read
the
recommendation
and
that's
on
page
48
the
recommendation.
The
proposal
would
result
in
the
loss
of
a
family
housing.
However,
it
would
provide
much
needed
accommodation.
A
A
F
Yes,
chairman,
I
I
think
that
the
standard
wording
we
use
is
that
a
requirement
prior
to
occupation
of
of
measures
of
or
measures
of
sustainability
to
be
submitted,
and
we
can
then
discuss
with
the
applicant
and
architects
a
number
of
measures
to
meet
the
requirements
of
that
condition.
A
A
A
O
A
F
You
chairman,
this
application
site,
has
been
considered
two
times
before
and
excuse
me
members
for
going
through
both
the
previous
schemes.
This
is,
as
chairman's
indicated,
a
a
resubmission
which
seeks
to
address
some
of
the
design
concerns
that
were
raised
at
the
last
meeting
in
october,
so
the
application
site
is
very
familiar
to
members,
a
very
prominent
site.
F
The
creative
workshops
within
colonnade
house
and
the
the
remodeling
of
colonnade
house,
as
a
report
indicates
in
the
1930s
is
quite
obvious,
and
the
the
the
remainder
of
the
buildings
are
described
in
detail
in
the
report
and
have
been
the
the
subject
of
a
detailed
heritage
assessment
and
the
the
report
runs
through
some
of
the
issues
to
consider
in
the
the
loss
of
buildings
that
are
positive
indicators
to
the
conservation
area.
F
So
there's
a
another
photograph
of
number
seven
number,
five
next
door.
I
should
just
mention
because
it's
something
that
one
of
the
worthing
society
members
picked
up,
that
the
heritage
report
suggests
that
the
bay
window
was
removed
on
number
five
in
the
1930s.
It
was
actually
something
the
county
council
sought
permission
for
in
the
1970s
and
again
I
think
that
was
approved
on
the
basis.
F
It
was
expected
that
buildings
would
be
short-lived
as
they
were
the
subject
of
a
road
widening
scheme
that
eventually
wasn't
continued,
and
actually
the
the
member
of
the
worthing
study
actually
dealt
with
the
application,
as
he
was
a
planning
officer
at
the
time
for
the
county
council.
F
So
that's
just
a
point
of
clarification,
so
they're
the
existing
buildings
and
I'll
start
off
with
a
sort
of
a
bit
of
a
one
of
the
images
taken
from
the
heritage
statement
and
and
it's
quite
useful
photograph
just
to
to
to
indicate
why
it
was
called
colonnade
house
and
that's
the
colonnade
that
swept
around
the
the
corner
of
the
existing
building.
There.
F
I've
also
just
included-
and
we
have
at
previous
meetings-
included
some
of
the
photographs
of
the
interior.
The
buildings
certainly
number
five
has
been
far
damaged
and
as
a
very
poor
condition
internally
and
certainly
number
seven
upper
floors
are
similarly
in
a
very
poor
condition.
As
these
photographs
indicate,
we
have
an
asbestos
report
that
was
submitted
with
the
application,
and
this
was
the
previous
application
that
was
considered
in
april
of
last
year.
F
I
I
know,
there's
been
some
concerns
in
relation
to
this
in
terms
of
the
process,
and
perhaps
I
can
just
briefly
outline
the
the
process,
so
this
application
was
considered
last
year
by
members
of
planning
committee
resolved
to
grant
planning
permission
with
a
condition
seeking
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
dormers
within
the
roof
of
that
element
of
the
scheme.
F
The
decision
notice
not
being
issued
the
revised
plans
being
submitted
then
sought
to
take
the
roof
off
that
element
of
the
building
and
that's
the
same
scheme
that
was
then
considered
later
last
year
without
the
top
floor
roof,
and
I
I
think
it's
important
to
in
just
in
case
there's
any
doubt
that,
whilst
the
resolution
of
a
planning
committee
is
clearly
a
material
consideration,
it's
the
decision
notice.
That
is
the
formal
decision
and
clearly
there
wasn't
a
decision
notice
issued
with
following
the
first
resolution,
the
second
time
this
application
was
considered.
F
With
this
revised
scheme,
there
were
some
concerns
about
the
the
design
the
brickwork
proposed
for
this
element,
the
the
gold
element
here.
Certainly
the
worthing
society
expressed
some
concerns
about
the
layout
of
fenestration,
the
lack
of
render,
and
also
whether
the
potential
for
adding
bays
to
the
building
to
reflect
the
the
bay
that's
currently
on
number,
seven
and
as
a
feature
of
warwick
street,
as
you
can
see
and
elsewhere
in
the
town.
F
The
current
application
has
been
the
subject
of
discussions
between
the
officers,
conservation,
architect
and
the
architect
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
were
discussed
and
have
been
raised
by
consultees
in
relation
to
the
gold
color,
the
type
and
nature
of
cladding,
but
also
whether
there's
the
opportunity
to
try
and
unify
the
overall
development.
Slightly
more
by
echoing
some
of
the
features.
F
The
fenestration
details
and
the
the
black
feature
that
you
have
on
the
curve.
Bay
of
colonnade
and
you'll
see
that
this
scheme
now
incorporates
render
these
black
panels
between
fenestration
on
the
replacement
of
number
five
and
seven
and
an
alternative
thought
to
toning
down
the
cladding.
There's
a
desire
to
really
create
some
focal
point
to
the
entrance
into
the
extended
creative
and
digital
workshop
space
and
that
contemporary
focal
point
into
that
element
has
been
retained.
F
But
you'll
see
a
more
ordered
fenestration,
reflecting
the
patterns
of
fenestration
for
the
replacements,
five
and
seven,
and
you
can
also
just
going
back
to
the
previous
scheme
and
now
the
current
scheme
and
then
looking
at
the
north
elevation
of
the
building.
The
render
obviously
tying
in
with
colonnade
house
as
well.
F
In
terms
of
inspiration
for
going
for
a
green,
the
architect
has
looked
at
numerous
sort
of
examples
of
where
green
appears
in
historic
buildings
within
the
town,
whether
it's
the
assembly
room,
canopy,
the
dome
or
the
the
cladding
on
the
the
new
splash
point
swimming
pool
and
then
again
just
some
images
to
reflect
the
sort
of
metal
cladding
features,
black
windows
and
contrasting
white
render,
which
has
also
influenced
the
revised
design
approach.
F
As
a
result,
a
flat
is
lost
and
you'll
see
in
the
report
that,
whilst
your
officers
haven't
gone
through
a
further
evaluation
of
viability,
given
the
very
poor
viability
of
the
previous
scheme
and
particularly
compared
with
any
conversion
scheme,
a
reduction
of
a
flat
will
only
worsen
the
overall
viability
of
the
project
and,
as
a
report
indicates,
and-
and
we
we
heard
in
the
previous
item-
the
acute
affordable
housing
problems
at
the
town
exists
that
this
is
only
really
justified
economically.
F
F
So
overall,
I've
just
got
some
cross
sections
showing
the
the
building
and
the
floor
plans
of
the
development,
the
opportunities
for
pv
panels
and
the
applicants
very
keen
to
pursue
a
very
sustainable
development
and
a
number
of
measures
are
are
set
out
in
the
report
and
would
be
incorporated
into
the
development.
F
F
I
should
just
add
members
that
there
was
a
a
further
representation
from
say
britain's
heritage,
which
I'm
not
sure
whether
members
have
seen,
but
it
is
a
copy.
So,
hopefully,
members
have
had
an
opportunity
to
see
the
additional
representation
which
again
expresses
concern
about
the
loss
of
buildings,
of
a
significance,
historic
and
architectural
value.
But
athlete
members
have
seen
that
and
there's
also
references
to
mppf
guidance
and
and
and
certainly
these
buildings
over
the
years
have
deteriorated
and
the
key
determining
factor
is:
can
a
viable
economic
use
be
incorporated
into
these
buildings?
F
How
much
has
their
architectural
significance
been
diminished
by
alterations
over
the
years
as
a
result
of
the
potential
road
widening
scheme,
but
also
the
the
perhaps
a
lack
of
investment
in
the
buildings
and
whether
the
overall
benefits
of
the
development
outweigh
the
the
heritage
concerns,
and
certainly
there
is
a
need
to
undertake
the
balancing
exercise
set
out
in
the
mppf.
F
Your
officers,
having
taken
all
considerations
into
account,
really
feel
that
the
public
benefits
do
outweigh
the
loss
of
these
buildings.
The
buildings
clearly
have
lost
a
number
of
their
architectural
features
and
merits,
and
there
really
is
an
opportunity
here
to
create
a
significant
improvement
to
the
entrance
into
the
town.
There
are
some
fundamental
problems
of
the
narrow
nature:
the
raised
ground
floor
that
you
would
not
get
with
a
conversion
with
being
able
to
try
and
to
integrate
and
create
ground
floor
entrance
to
the
expanded,
creative
and
digital
workshops.
A
Thank
you,
mr
effilton
councillor
mccabe.
I
believe
you've
got
the
first
question.
Then
councillor
zillman.
L
Thanks
chair
and
thanks
mr
upton,
for
that,
obviously
I
can
see
that
the
donald
trump
bit's
gone
and
we've
got
render
there
now
instead
of
the
brickwork.
Could
you
just
give
me
a
bullet
form
summary
of
the
differences
in
this
application
now
from
when
it
was
rejected
by
the
planning
committee
in
october?
Please.
F
Yes,
chairman,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
the
significant
changes
since
october
are
the
change
approach
to
the
the
gold
cladding,
the
layout
of
fenestration,
which,
at
that
stage
was
deliberately
following
a
very
contemporary
feel,
with
different
styles
windows
and
not
having
windows
aligned,
the
replacement
of
brick
with
render
and
then
looking
at
structural
glazing
between
the
the
windows
to
pick
up
some
of
the
features
in
colonnade
house.
So
this
was
a
scheme
considered
in
october.
I
should
just
say
that
the
application
was
withdrawn
before
issuing
the
decision.
F
Notice
in
october
was
withdrawn,
the
previous
application.
This
is
a
resubmission
of
that
withdrawn
application,
but
if
we
just
go
from
that
elevation
to
this
one,
you
can
just
pick
out.
Therefore,
the
changes
to
fenestration
alignment
number
the
changed
approach
in
terms
of
picking
up
the
feature
of
black
and
white
render
of
colonnade
house
through
to
the
replacement,
five
and
seven.
Obviously,
the
top
floor
went
previously
to
the
october
consideration,
but
they're
they're,
the
principal
changes
chairman.
A
L
Thanks
chair
just
again
just
to,
could
you
just
expand,
please,
mr
upton,
on
the
the
reasons
that
were
given
for
refusal
in
october
and
just
exactly
what's
been
done
to
to
meet
each
of
those
reasons
given
and
bring
this
back.
Thank
you.
F
Gemini
the
report
has
set
out
the
committee
minute.
Let
me
just
turn
to
it,
but
clearly
there
was
concern
about
the
the
loss
of
the
heritage
assets
and,
in
particular,
whether
the
design
quality
justified
the
removal
of
the
or
the
loss
of
the
heritage
assets.
So
that
was
the
resolution.
F
It
depends
which
resolution
you
go
back
to
because
obviously
previously
there
was
a
resolution
to
grant
permission
previously
to
that.
But
in
terms
of
october
resolution
it
was
that
was
the
committee
minute
set
out
at
the
the
start
of
the
committee
report.
G
Thank
you
chair,
mr
appleton.
As
I
understand
it,
the
notice
to
approve
in
the
april
application
hearing
was
not
issued
either,
which
is
what
allowed
us
in
october,
to
debate
the
issue
again
from
scratch.
So
I
don't
think
we
can.
We
can
rely
on
the
fact
that
it
it
was
approved
in
april,
any
more
than
you
appear
to
be
saying.
G
G
Of
course
an
applicant
can
withdraw
an
application,
but
the
case
law
asserts
that
an
applicant
may
not
resubmit
the
application,
and
this
is
referred
to
as
a
resubmission
of
an
application
if
it's
unchanged
in
any
significant
way.
Now,
our
concerns
in
october
were
not
primarily
to
do
with
design.
They
were
to
do
with
the
loss
of
heritage
sites
and
the
fact
that
no
alternative
option
had
been
assessed
in
our
opinion
thoroughly.
G
F
Chairman
this
is
a
a
different
application.
The
applicant
has
sought
to
make
design
changes
and
that's
why
the
application
has
come
in
again.
I
think
I
remember
quite
distinctly
telling
the
committee
that
committees
should
have
regard
to
the
april
resolution
that
was
to
prove
it
wasn't
delegated.
It
was
to
approve
so
we've.
We
have
had
two
different
committee
resolutions.
F
I
also
said
in
october
that
because
it
was
a
revised
scheme
and
because
it
was
back
to
committee,
then
in
case
law
the
there
was
the
opportunity
for
the
committee
effectively
to
reconsider
the
application
and
they
did
and
you,
as
you
rightly
say,
councillor
sillman
the
decision.
The
resolution
was
to
refuse
so
the
applicant
has
considered
the
the
matter
considered
what
was
said
by
the
planning
committee
and
has
sought
to
address
some
of
those
design
issues,
and
I've
just
explained
how
the
scheme
is
different.
G
So,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
Well,
I
really.
I
really.
I
really
just
don't
understand
mr
appleton.
You
said
that
neither
decision
in
april
or
october,
in
neither
case,
was
a
decision
notice
to
refuse
or
to
approve
issued.
So
as
I
understand
it,
that
means
they're
null
and
void
they
haven't
been
issued.
G
So
we
can't
talk
about
an
an
application
being
approved
in
april
unless
we
can
talk
about
the
application
being
refused
in
october,
and
the
refusal
in
october
was
not
on
design
grounds.
It
was
on
loss
of
heritage
and
we
did
actually
ask
you.
The
the
committee
asked
the
officers
to
prepare
refusal
reasons
based
on
concern
about
the
loss
of
heritage
assets,
and
we
argued
that
the
benefits
of
the
scheme
did
not
outweigh
the
harm
caused
by
the
loss
of
the
assets.
F
Chairman
no
one's
suggesting
that
we
had
an
application,
one
application
that
was
a
resolution
to
grant
in
april
that
application
was
amended.
It
came
back
before
the
committee
in
october
and
there
was
a
resolution
to
refuse.
We
now
have
a
new
application
which
is
before
committee
to
consider
on
its
planning
merit,
so
no
one's
suggesting
that
it
is
up
to
planning
committee
to
decide
whether
this
is
materially
different
and
whether
they
want
to
support
this
scheme
or
not
and
that's
the
subject.
F
We
are
legally
determined
to
deal
with
any
planning
applications,
a
new
planning
application
submitted
and
we're
considering
it,
and
the
report
sets
out
the
full
considerations.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair
at
the
previous
meeting
in
in
october,
mr
appleton.
We
we
talked
about
our
concerns
about
the
facilities
within
the
within
the
application
and
the
fact
that
they
were
now.
It
was
now
some
time
since
they
had
been
that
had
been
arrived
at.
If
you
like,
by
by
the
trust
and
by
colonnade
house-
and
I
I
know,
I
think
you
said
that
you
you
were
in
constant
discussion
with
them.
H
I
can't
I
can't
detect
any
changes,
but
I
wondered
whether
it
had
been
any
conversations
about
that
and
whether
the
trusted
indicated
that
they
were
had
any
modifications
they
would
want
to
make
or
might
might
make
in
view
of
the
changed
situation
over
the
last
three
years.
F
I'm
not
aware
of
any
reconsideration
by
the
space
that's
been
to
be
put
over.
We
will
be
hearing
from
representatives
of
the
trust,
so
perhaps
they
might
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
certainly
the
balance
between
residential
and
space
for
new
workshops,
and
certainly
the
amount
of
representations
that
have
come
in
indicate
there
is
strong
demand
for
the
the
workshops
that
are
being
proposed.
So
certainly
as
far
as
your
offices
from
a
planning
perspective
didn't
seek
to
to
question
that
element
of
of
the
scheme.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
it
is
a
a
different
question.
It's
on
our
favorite
subject
of
viability.
It
wouldn't
be
a
planning
meeting
that
didn't
bring
up
viability
and
it
it.
H
I
think,
as
you
said
in
in
the
in
your
comments,
mr
appleton,
if
you
like,
making
judgments
on
the
viability
of
being
able
to
incorporate
the
existing
buildings,
particularly
five
and
seven,
into
the
proposal
being
able
to
find
a
via
built,
viable
option
has
been
one
of
the
the
cornerstones
of
getting
this
development
to
this
stage
as
an
application.
H
Yet
the
only
reference
to
viability
is
the
page
35,
which
I
know
we.
We
talked
about
in
some
detail
at
a
previous
meeting.
H
I
just
wanted
to
to,
if
you
like,
highlight-
or
I
I
ask
you
whether
you
really
feel
the
information
provided
there
has
any
real
relevance
to
the
viability
of
that
incorporation
process.
If
you
like,
I
know
you
that
it
is
it.
It
in
effect,
is
taking
each
individual
unit,
5
and
7,
and
looking
at
the
conversion
opportunities
there,
the
costs
of
doing
that
and
the
likely
revenue
from
from
doing
that.
I
think
that's
the
way
it
works,
but
that's
a
mile
away
from
actually
the
viability
of
bringing
those
buildings
into
an
integrated
scheme.
F
I
think
the
the
the
discussion
previously,
and
certainly
the
europe
planning
officers
in
approach
being
approached
at
pre-application,
did
look
at
the
initial
feasibility
and
the
starting
point
to
could
the
buildings
be
converted
and
that
there
is
a
general
presumption
in
trying
to
retain
buildings
that
are
positive
indicators
and
buildings
within
the
conservation
area.
That's
the
sort
of
first
step
and
as
part
of
that
process,
I
certainly
went
through
the
viability
work.
F
As
did
we
also
engaged
the
council's
chief
building
control
officer
to
go
around
the
building,
assess
the
ability
to
actually
convert
to
residential,
and
certainly
one
of
the
costs
of
looking
at
a
viable
use
was
well.
What
would
the
costs
of
conversion
be?
F
Would
that
be
viable
in
economic
terms,
and
certainly
the
conclusion
of
the
consultant's
report
was
that
it
wouldn't
be
viable
to
convert
for
residential.
But
there
were
a
number
of
other
issues
that
came
forward
as
part
of
that
assessment
of
the
ability
to
convert
the
existing
buildings,
and
I
think
we've
made
mention
of
the
different
floor
plates.
The
limited
size
of
rooms
within
the
buildings,
and
there
are
a
whole
host
of
number
of
things
that
affected
the
viability,
not
least
the
condition
asbestos
found
within
the
building.
F
So
it
was
quite
a
robust
discussion,
around
viability
of
the
the
scope
to
convert
and
and
just
the
practicalities
of,
of
extending
the
the
the
use
into
those
buildings,
the
practical
problems
of
of
access
to
elevated
ground
floors
and
all
those
considerations
that
led
your
officers
and
the
design
and
conservation
architect
to
accept
that
that,
plus
the
the
changes
to
the
building
justified
a
redevelopment
of
that
part
of
the
scheme
and
enhancing
and
retaining
colonnade
house.
F
So
certainly,
your
officers
were
satisfied
with
the
viability
that
the
conversion
costs
were
excessive
and
I've
mentioned
before.
Obviously,
we're
aware
of
the
assessment
and
costs
of
of
new
build
residential,
which
we
all
know
is,
is
viability,
challenge
for
the
for
for
delivering,
affordable
housing
on
any
brownfield
site.
So
I
think
that
all
came
into
consideration
german.
H
Sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
supplementary
to
that.
I
I'm
assuming
that
if
these
were
pre
pre-application
discussions,
the
figures
that
are
quoted
on
page
35
are
from
at
least
pre-2020
or
around
2020,
perhaps
in
view
of
the
constant
references
to
the
viability
of
bringing
those
buildings
into
use
into
a
into
a
a
possible
plan
for
the
site
have
have
any
other.
Viabilities
studies
been
done
since
bearing
in
mind
this
is
now
the
third
time
we're
looking
at
this
application,
I
would
have
expected
it
to
be
further
viability.
F
A
Thank
you,
council
shillman.
G
It's
a
different
point
than
I
was
previously
making
this
mr
appleton,
the
save
britain's
heritage
report
that
came
in
today,
which
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
read
a
couple
of
times
very
much
reflects
the
british
council
for
archaeologist
points
that
have
been
made
and
you
have
rep
repeated
them
in
the
papers
for
today
and
my
my
question
is
both:
these:
are
experts
save
britain's
heritage
and
the
british
council
for
archaeology
both
are
adamant
that
the
loss
of
these
heritage
sites
greatly
outweighs
the
benefit
and
the
retention
of
the
heritage
sites
doesn't
mean
to
say
you
can't
have
housing
inside
them.
G
G
In
my
opinion,
we've
got
to
start
taking
this
climate
into
account
in
everything
we
do.
There
doesn't
appear
to
have
been
any
further,
even
consideration
of
these
two
aspects:
the
loss
of
heritage
and
the
climate.
So
my
question
is
why
why
haven't
haven't
these
two
things
been
taken
into
account.
F
From
the
planning
authority's
perspective,
we
have
a
revised
application
to
consider.
We
we've
considered
it
on
its
planning
merits
and
the
the
recommendation
is
before
you,
I
think,
in
relation
to
the
save
britain's
heritage
and
the
council
for
british
archaeology.
They
are
making
very
general
statements.
F
We
have
before
us
a
very
detailed
heritage
assessment
and
condition
reports
that
look
at
the
specifics
of
the
buildings.
Now,
I'm
not
sure,
certainly
to
say
britain's
heritage
indicates,
there's
not
been
a
a
detailed
assessment
of
the
significance
of
the
buildings.
Well,
I
I
don't
think
that
is
the
case.
I'm
not
sure
whether
they
have
gone
through
the
heritage
statement
and
the
very
detailed
analysis
of
the
significance
of
these
assets.
F
Certainly
that's
something
that
we
have
done
and
considered
in
in
significant
and
in
some
considerable
detail
and
that's
involved
the
design
and
conservation
architect.
So
I'm
basically
saying
we
have
considered
those
matters.
We've
considered
the
benefits
over
all
of
the
development
and
we've
kind
of
come
up
with
the
recommendation
that
we
have.
A
A
A
P
I'm
against
the
proposals
and
I'm
speaking
in
defense,
of
retaining
these
buildings
refurbishing
and,
if
necessary,
repurposing
and
adapting
them
in
1976.
I
supported
mrs
bearing
who
was
instrumental
in
saving
beach
house
from
demolition,
which
was
also
neglected
by
the
council,
and
I
spoke
then
public
inquiry
these
buildings
should
be
protected.
P
A
restricted
commercial
viability
should
not
be
the
key
issue
in
prohibiting
their
renovation.
The
national
planning
planning
policy
framework
chapter
16
sets
out
clearly
why
heritage
assets
are
an
irreplaceable
resource
units.
2
and
3
can
be
retained
with
an
added
story
which
could
encompass
a
studio
hub
purpose.
P
P
P
P
Moreover,
I
have
not
been
able
to
access
the
council's
viability
assessment,
which
they
refer
to
for
number
five.
All
reports
endeavor
to
justify
demolition.
The
present
52
and
street
could
also
have
an
added
story
out
at
number
five.
There
could
possibly
be
three
flats
of
able,
if
converted
by
someone
like
worthing
homes,
there
could
also
be
basement
flats
in
five
and
seven,
like
elsewhere,
in
the
town,
to
spend
over
four
million
on
demolition
and
development
to
provide
only
five
flats
as
temporary
accommodation
and
an
expanded,
creative
digital
hub
is
not
value
for
money.
P
A
Q
That
ready,
my
name,
is
carolyn
keys,
a
dress
designer
and
current
shop
proprietor
number
three
high
street
one
of
the
colonnade
buildings,
where
I've
been
working
for
the
last
34
years,
along
with
mr
pierre
number,
seven,
both
of
us
still
successfully
trading
on
site.
We
bring
hundreds
of
people
to
town
from
a
wide
catchment
area
who
then
go
on
to
shop
and
buy
in
the
town,
adding
considerable
value
to
the
local
economy
and
supporting
people
in
the
creative
sector,
which
is
part
of
the
development
brief.
Q
Q
The
only
reason
number
five
is
in
such
a
poor
state
is
west
versus
county
council
owned
it
for
a
long
time
and
only
recently
resold
it
back.
It's
been
neglected
for
over
15
years.
The
road
widening
scheme
was
abandoned
a
long
time
ago,
and
so
is
no
excuse
and
the
asbestos
is
nothing
like
as
bad
or
as
originally
considered.
Q
Q
The
increased
tides
will
impact
on
the
light
and
privacy
of
surrounding
residents.
The
noise
mess
and
road
closure
reduce
footfall
footfall,
therefore
harming
nearby
businesses,
especially
on
their
way
to
recovery
from
covert
the
council
seemed
to
have
a
recent
history
of
demolition
boarding
up
then
leaving
the
site
empty
for
years,
notably
tuval,
gate
union
pace
and
nasdar
cupboard
road.
Q
Although
I
applaud
the
concept
of
developing
artists,
there's
always
already
northbrook
arts
department,
at
least
two
art
galleries,
the
beach
studios
and
museum
and
library
exhibition
spaces
to
showcase
their
work
and
now
many
vacant
sites
in
the
town
and
actually
the
other
col,
the
other
creative
heart.
But
there
was
one
another
and
it
has
recently
closed.
So
I
wonder
why
we
need
more.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
it's
good
to
see
you
again.
We
seem
to
be
up
quite
regularly.
Could
I
just
ask
what
discussions
you've
had
with
the
council
since
notice
was
for
you
first
received
notice.
Q
A
A
R
Good
evening,
mr
chairman
councillors,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
susan
belton,
chairman
of
the
worthing
society,
the
committee
has
carefully
considered
this
application,
and
these
are
our
comments.
Worthing
has,
as
you
know,
lost
a
significant
number
of
heritage
buildings,
and
the
historic
group
represents
the
only
surviving
historic
buildings
on
the
western
side
of
the
original
high
street.
R
Although
many
of
the
architectural
features
have
altered
over
time,
they
still,
in
our
view,
form
a
historic
group
and
historic
marker
in
the
conservation
area
they
were
mentioned
in
the
early
1814
hyde
map.
Following
the
intervention
of
the
fire
brigade.
Regarding
the
original
proposal,
the
design
has
inevitably
changed.
R
R
In
our
view,
the
green
central
element
now
appears
over
dominant
as
the
adjacent
buildings
have
lost
height,
losing
the
mansard
roofs
there.
It
is
out
of
complete
character
with
the
conservation
area,
the
design
and
access
statement
attempts
to
justify
the
color
palette
and
use
green
material
in
the
town.
But
the
examples
given
are
unconvincing
and,
in
our
view,
relate
to
seafront
locations.
R
R
If
the
political
will
funding
government
regeneration
grants
are
not
forthcoming
or
available.
Any
replacement
design
should
be
of
the
highest
specification
to
reference
the
historic
character
of
the
buildings
which
could
be
lost
with
respect.
We
consider
this
has
not
been
achieved
in
this
location
and
for
the
reasons
that
I
have
given.
A
S
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
set
out
to
the
planning
committee.
The
compelling
advantages
of
this
scheme
are
the
benefits
for
the
ongoing
growth
of
the
creative
industries
in
worthing.
At
present,
we
have
a
site
where
some
severely
dilapidated
buildings
greet
people
traveling
into
the
town
on
the
a259.
S
S
The
proposed
design
unites
the
whole
block,
creating
frontage
that
acknowledges
the
past
and
ready
for
the
future.
The
council
have
considered
fully
the
retention
of
the
high
street
properties,
but
this
is
not
a
viable
proposition,
either
financially
or
practically,
and
would
not
deliver
the
significant
wider
economic
community
and
residential
benefits
associated
with
these
new
build
proposals.
S
Refurbishment
would
not
result
in
a
unified
building.
Variation
in
floor
levels
would
make
level
access
throughout
the
building
impossible.
In
turn,
accessibility
that
buildings
will
still
be
compromised
and
against
standards.
Compliance
with
post-granville
fire
regulations
would
also
be
compromised.
S
Energy
efficiency
would
be
very
limited
and
suitable
accommodation
for
people
in
housing
need
would
not
be
achieved
and
no
new
jobs
would
be
created.
The
exciting
development
for
worthing
will
allow
further
expansion
of
much
needed.
Creative
industry
space,
provide
accommodation
for
vulnerable
people
in
our
community
and
create
a
striking
gateway,
building
uplifting
and
enhancing
a
neglected
area
of
the
town,
not
to
mention
the
opportunity
for
this
development
to
create
further
jobs
in
the
town
and
enable
economic
growth.
S
It
would
include
things
like
a
cafe
and
tech
workshops
in
the
new
creative
digital
hub.
We
would
create
regular,
weekly
or
monthly
meetings
coding,
clubs
for
young
people,
a
reloading
bay,
etc.
We
have
evidence
of
the
potential
for
all
this
activity
at
colonnade
house,
but
we
are
limited
by
existing
space.
The
change
case
for
change
is
compelling.
S
We
have
been
very
mindful
and
considerate
with
colonnade
house
existing
tenants
and
neighbouring
residents
and
other
effort,
and
every
effort
has
been
made
to
ensure
these
tenants
have
received
regular
communication,
including
individual
visits
from
visit
from
officers
about
the
plans
we've
discussed
this
evening.
It's
also
worth
noting
that
significant
concessions
have
been
made
over
the
last
few
months
for
those
tenants
demonstrating
our
commitment
to
ongoing
dialogue.
S
S
A
A
O
Overall,
therefore,
the
architectural
changes
to
the
scheme
are
significant
and
we
trust
you
will
consider
them
positive
steps
forward
to
achieve
a
development
of
the
highest
quality
on
this
gateway
site.
As
you
enter
the
town
from
the
east,
however,
simply
put,
we
cannot
seek
to
retain
the
existing
buildings
on
site,
as
they
are
not
convertible
to
meet
modern
requirements
of
either
housing
or
commercial
space
and
therefore
neither
viable
in
financial
terms
or
in
providing
space
for
future
generations.
O
We
must
therefore
look
at
the
significant
public
benefits
that
will
accrue
as
a
result
of
this
redevelopment
proposal
that
will
not
only
enhance
the
character
of
the
conservation
area,
but
will
provide
huge
social,
economic
benefits
to
the
town
and
the
wider
area.
More
generally
I'll
ask
my
colleagues
to
provide
further
details
of
such
benefits
that
must
be
considered
to
significantly
outweigh
any
harm
in
heritage
terms,
and
that
is
detailed
in
the
mppf
also.
O
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
I
guess
from
what
you
said
I
I'm
going
to.
I
know
what
the
answer
to
this
question
will
be,
but
I'll
ask
it
anyway,
following
the
meeting
in
october
last
year,
were
you
asked
by
your
clients
the
wording
borough
council
officers
to
address
the
issues
that
were
the
basis
of
the
refusal
of
this
application?
That
is
the
harm
to
heritage
assets
resulting
from
the
demolition
of
five
and
seven?
O
O
However,
we
also
need
to
look
at
this
holistically
in
terms
of
actually
the
viability
of
delivering
a
scheme
to
meet
modern
requirements
not
only
of
housing
but
in
terms
of
the
needs
of
the
borough
to
meet
the
creative
industry
space.
So,
therefore,
we
did
look
at
this
again
in
terms
of
retention
of
the
assets
they
really
are
in
such
a
state
of
disrepair
and
the
form
of
those
buildings
mean
that
they
will
not
meet
modern
requirements
for
residential
or
commercial
space
level.
O
Access
is
impossible
and
therefore
their
future
use
is
very
unlikely
to
be
commercially
viable,
and
indeed
our
financial
reviews
are
indeed
further
harmed
by
the
climate
in
terms
of
building
costs,
and
indeed
the
revenue
increases
associated
with
residential
has
not
lifted
anywhere
near
as
much
as
obviously
the
build
costs
associated
with
this
sort
of
scheme.
So,
unfortunately,
we
really
have
looked
at
this
hard
with
our
clients,
as
the
council
and
unfortunately,
we
really
do
feel
that
the
only
viable
option
is
to
demolish
these
buildings
for
future
generations.
A
T
In
some
circumstances,
local
connection
is
awarded
to
somebody
who
doesn't
have
it
by
means
of
residence,
but
that's
in
very
particular
circumstances
and,
for
instance,
if
you
were
fleeing
domestic
abuse,
that
could
be
an
instance
where
we
would
grant
you
local
connection,
because,
where
you
live,
is
not
safe
for
you
to
remain,
homelessness
continues
to
increase,
and
I
can't
overstate
this
enough.
The
rate
of
acceleration
is
increasing
as
a
result
of
the
kovid
19
pandemic.
T
One
of
the
sort
of
issues
that
has
arisen
as
a
result
of
that
is
our
local
housing
market
is
extremely
buoyant.
We
have
an
awful
lot
of
people
moving
into
our
area
because
it's
a
nice
place
to
live
and
they
can
now
work
from
home,
so
commuting
is
a
viable
and
it
has
really
affected
our
market.
T
T
T
T
In
brighton
hove,
essentially,
how
can
I
summarize
this
in
quick
temper
accommodation
is
really
important
and
it
is
really
important
that
we
provide
it
locally
wherever
we
can,
because
it
is
really
difficult
to
procure
five
units
is
five
more
families.
My
staff
don't
have
to
tell
somebody
that
you're
going
to
be
living
in
another
part
of
the
county
or
even
another
part
of
the
country,
and
it's
really
detrimental
to
those
families
when
we
have
to
do
that,
just
to
be
able
to
house
them.
T
A
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
I
understand
the
need
for
additional
provision
of
the
kind
of
accommodation
detailed
in
this
application.
If
the
configuration
of
the
development
were
to
change,
but
the
quantity
of
accommodation
was
the
same
or
similar,
would
that
cause
you
any
problems.
T
A
A
D
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
speaking
as
a
trustee
of
the
adam
worthing
trust,
and
indeed
I'm
one
of
its
founder
members
having
been
involved
right
from
the
very
start
with
the
inception
of
colonnade
house
and
its
success
and
the
council,
and
the
trust,
I
think,
are
very
proud
of
what
you
as
a
council
have
supported
and
the
new
businesses
that
have
been
set
up.
As
a
result
of
that.
D
So
I
have
that,
at
the
back
of
my
mind,
when
I'm
talking
about
this
new
development,
those
the
the
building
has
been
very
successful
in
terms
of
setting
up
new
businesses
and
much
to
our
our
surprise,
has
continued
to
be
to
prosper
even
during
the
pandemic.
D
Indeed,
we
have
waiting
lists
for
for
people
wishing
to
take
up
space
within
colonnade
house
and
our
gallery,
which
was
unfortunately
out
of
action
due
to
the
crash,
but
is
now
now
back
in
action,
has
bookings
right
the
way
through
this
year
and
into
the
following
year.
So
it
is
a
successful
project
for
which
you
can
feel
very
proud
for
the
new
development.
D
In
my
recent
role,
leading
the
national
college
and
before
that
at
northbrook,
I
was
very
keen
to
foster
the
aspirations
young
people
have
to
set
up
their
own
businesses
using
the
skills.
They've
learnt
and
I've
been
delighted
to
see
colonnade
house
working
in
close
partnership
with
local
schools
and
colleges
to
inspire
young
people
and
model
opportunities
for
the
future.
A
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
mean
I
fully
support
and
want
to
encourage
the
development
of
the
creative
digital
sector
in
worthing,
and
I
can
see
how
a
hub
a
larger
hub
would
be
a
welcome
addition
to
the
town
you
mentioned
new
businesses.
I
just
wonder
if
you
can
maybe
give
us
an
example
of
a
new
business
which
has
come
out
of
colonnade
house
and
and
is
thriving.
D
Well,
there's
several
one:
one
of
the
businesses
I
can
think
of
is
printmaking,
so
there's
a
printmaker,
that's
set
up.
We've
also
got
a
digital
design,
business
that's
set
up,
and
indeed
they've,
taken
on
somebody
new
in
order
to
be
able
to
grow
their
business.
G
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
It's
very
informative
and
very
encouraging.
G
G
D
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
get
it
to
get
a
different
scheme.
That's
that's
the
difficulty.
I
I
see
because
one
of
the
issues
around
colonnade
house
is
the
difference
in
floor
levels
and
the
ability
to
expand
from
where
we
are
so
the
the
idea
that
we
would
be
able
to
do
the
same
thing
again
somewhere
else
would
lose
the
benefit
of
where
colonnade
house
is
currently
and
and
the
way
that's
run
so
to
make
it
viable.
It's
got
to
be
extended
from
where
we
are.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
answer
to
your
question,.
U
I
G
D
A
Thank
you
members.
Any
further
questions
for
the
speaker.
Yes,
thank
you
ma'am.
I
returned
to
your
seat
and
we
will
now
go
into
debate.
Councillor
dean
you'd
like
to
start
the
debate.
H
H
Seeing
people
directly
involved
with
applications
gives
it
real
life,
and
we
we
benefit
from
that.
So
I
do
thank
you
very
much
for
for
making
your
presentations
and
being
here.
H
H
I
I
arrived
in
worthing,
just
as
the
councils
of
the
60s
and
70s
were
completing
their
destruction
of
old
worthing
and
the
bright
spot
then
was
the
emergence
of
bearing
I've
spoken
about
her
before
to
planning
committee
meetings,
and
we've
heard
anime
mentioned
this
evening.
H
H
We
don't
have
meat
recordings
of
those
meetings
back
in
the
1970s,
but
I
bet
they
were
peppered
with
references
to
it
being
easier
to
demolish
old,
an
old
building
and
start
with
a
blank
canvas
and
one
by
one.
The
result
was
that
those
old
buildings
went
because
they
were
just
too
much
trouble
and
stood
in
the
way
of
progress.
H
I
like
to
think
we
live
in
more
enlightened
times
now,
but
sometimes
I'm
not
so
sure.
I
tried
to
make
these
arguments
at
the
april
meeting
last
year
when
this
application
was
first
considered.
It
was
a
nightmare
online
meeting
for
me
and
I
lost
connectivity
and
was
unable
to
vote
on
the
application.
H
But
that
application,
including
the
demolition
of
five
and
seven
high
street,
was
approved.
Although
the
committee
had
considerable
reservations,
particularly
about
the
design,
as
has
been
explained,
changes
had
to
be
made
to
that
proposal
as
a
result
of
new
government
legislation
and
a
revised
application
was
brought
to
the
committee
last
october.
H
A
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
a
second
you've
got
two
seconders
which
one
do
you
want
council
someone?
I
think
you
were
slightly
first,
very
good.
Okay,
we're
we're
part.
We're
part
that
one
for
the
moment
and
we'll
continue
with
the
debate.
H
I'm
sorry
chair,
it
can't
be
part,
but
because
clearly
determination
of
that
moment,
motion
affects
the
continuation
of
this
meeting
towards
a
vote,
and
the
debate
is
part
of
the
process
of
coming
to
a
vote
and
therefore
I
would
formally
request
that
this
motion
is
considered
now.
C
I
think
councillor
dean
is
partially
right.
The
last
application
was
rejected
on
the
heritage
side
of
things,
and
there
was
discussion
about
the
design
and
stuff
at
the
time.
The
proposal
that
we
see
before
us
now,
I
believe,
is
significantly
different
to
what
we
had
before
the
whole
frontage
there
with
the
new
rendering
the
color
the
new
aspects,
and
that
it
makes
it
more
in
line
with
colonnade
house,
which
is
some
of
the
discussion
we
had,
the
different
colored
blocks
just
looks
completely
out.
C
It
was
some
architect
wanted
to
make
a
big
design
statement
rather
than
trying
to
keep
some
of
the
heritage
aspects,
so
I
don't
agree
with
councillor
dean
on
this
occasion,
I'm
afraid-
and
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
support
his
motion
that
he's
just
put
before
us.
Thank
you.
N
V
L
L
G
G
V
L
L
A
Where
we
will
restart
the
meeting
and
james
appleton
would
like
to
have
a
word.
F
So,
for
the
purposes
of
anyone
watching
the
committee
and
for
the
public
just
to
clarify,
we
have
just
had
a
recess
just
to
consider
the
constitution,
and
certainly
we
wanted
to
just
check
the
basis
for
the
motion
that
was
being
put
forward.
F
F
If
you
decide
not
to
make
a
determination
on
this
application
tonight,
hopefully
that's
a
bit
clearer
for
everyone
and
thank
you
for
the
re
recess
just
to
check
the
relevant
part
of
the
constitution.
A
C
I
actually
like
the
new
the
new
plan.
It
does
give
a
nod
to
the
heritage
which,
for
me,
sort
of
sorts
out
the
objections
from
last
time.
It's
not
exactly
the
same
as
it
was
before,
but
it
has
got
a
sympathetic
nod
to
the
past
and
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
quite
commendable
that
the
architects
have
taken
on
board
what
was
said
last
time
around
they've
listened
and
they've
come
back
with
something
like
this,
which
I
think
is
a
very
good
design.
C
I'll,
definitely
be
supporting
this
motion,
and
I
would
join
my
colleagues
over
here
to
do
the
same.
Thank
you.
M
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
further
comments,
questions
for
the
debate?
I
I
see.
No,
so
karen
harmon
counselor
can
I
give
you
the
last
word.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I
feel
that
the
architect
has
consulted,
has
consulted
and
has
taken
on
board
the
worthington
heritage
concerns
and
that
the
new
plans
take
this
into
consideration.
A
Thank
you
councillor
harman,
we
will.
A
A
Can
I
have
a
proposal
please
counselor
harman
councillor
lionel
harman
is
proposing
and
a
second
are
please
councillor.
Karen
harman
is
seconding
all
those
in
favor.
Please
show
that's
four.
All
those
against.
Please
show
none
all
those
abstaining.
Please
show
none,
okay,
that
that,
therefore,
application
is
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,.
A
We
now
go
on
to
the
the
next
application,
which
is
in
your
bundle,
pages
49-55
application,
number
awdm,
1554,
stroke
21.
The
recommendation
is
to
approve
and
the
site
is
19
mana
road,
worthing,
west
sussex,
3
rt.
F
F
This
is
the
footprint
of
the
proposed
replacement
block
of
flats
with
parking
to
the
rear,
and
that's
a
street
scene
view
that
I
indicated
with
the
higher
density
development
sitting
between
the
two
more
modern
blocks
of
flats
either
side.
F
So
this
is
the
revised
scheme
and
perhaps
just
to
pick
out
some
of
the
key
changes
there
was.
I
will
show
the
previous
plans
in
a
moment.
So
there
is
a
event
smoke
control
added
to
the
the
roof.
The
building's
slightly
taller,
240
millimeters
higher
balconies,
are
replaced
with
an
open
metal
railing.
They
were
a
solid
basis
to
those
solid
sides
to
those
balconies
previously
and
we've
got
some
stone
heads
seals
to
the
fenestration,
it's
a
side
view
and
the
rear
view
at
the
front.
F
There's
a
reconstruction
of
the
brick
and
flint
wall
along
the
front
and
the
refuse
stall
that
was
to
the
rear
is
now
positioned
at
the
front,
but
behind
the
wall
and
planting
is
proposed
around
the
proposed
bin
store,
which
you
can
see
on
this
layout
plan
with
the
pedestrian
access
and
then
just
making
it
easier
for
residents
of
the
flats
to
deliver
bins
to
the
front
four
collection
they
were
previously
at
the
rear.
F
Apart
from
that
and
the
details
of
the
bike
store,
the
layout
is
very
similar
to
approved
this
is
the
approved
layout
and
you
can
see
the
way
storage
was
to
the
rear.
That's
now
positioned
in
the
front
communal
area
and
car
parking,
and
now
a
covered
cycle
store
proposed.
F
This
is
the
scheme,
as
originally
approved,
you
can
see
with
the
solid
balconies,
slightly
different
design
to
fenestration
and
the
door
into
the
property
and
again
to
the
flats
to
the
rear
replacement
balcony
design.
As
originally,
and
if
I
just
go
back
there,
the
previously
approved-
and
this
is
the
the
new
scheme
or
the
with
the
various
amendments,
so
the
fairly
minor
changes
to
the
scheme,
but
obviously
as
a
a
major
application.
It's
come
before
committee.
F
It
is
recommended
for
approval,
subject
to
the
completion
of
a
section.
One
is
six
varying
the
original
agreement
to
secure
the
affordable
housing
contribution
previously
secured
with
the
original
development.
Thank
you,
chairman,.
A
G
You
chair,
mr
appleton:
yes,
is
the
only
reason
for
taking
the
bin
store
from
the
back
to
the
front
convenience.
F
Yes,
it
it
appears
to
be
just
the
discussions
with
contract
services
about
the
ability
to
access
and
the
travel
distance
from
bins
to
the
rear.
It
quite
often
does
come
come
about
that
with
significant
distances.
It's
either
the
refuse
operatives
or
the
residents
have
to
then
bring
their
bins
to
the
front
and
trying
to
ensure
that
they're
more
convenient
has
meant
this
change
to
the
scheme.
A
M
M
So
I
think
that
that's
also
a
very
good
idea,
so
I'm
more
than
happy
to
to
approve
this.
Thank
you.
N
U
Previously
that
you
had,
you
were
resident
within
100
meters
of
this
of
this
scheme
and
whether
you
feel
that
you
were
able
to
continue
to
participate,
given
that
it
might
affect
your
your
your
as
a
resident.
If
you
were
the
person
sitting
at
the
back
of
this
room
and
whether
it's
sufficiently
a
matter
that
you
felt
able
to
continue.
That's
your
decision.
M
I
think
it's
been
through
twice
actually
before
and
I
declared
as
being
a
resident
on
both
occasions
because
there's
a
bit
of
a
laugh
about
it,
because
the
then
chairman
said
well
from
your
house,
you
can
actually
see
into
the
room,
can't
you
as
you
live
on
the
top
floor.
I
said
yes,
I
can
so
okay.
A
A
No,
in
that
case,
I
close
the
debate
and
go
to
the
recommendation.
A
Please
could
I
have
a
proposal
councillor
lionel
harman
as
proposer
a
seconder,
please
thank
you,
councillor,
turley
who's,
seconding,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
officer's
recommendation.
Please
show
I
think
that
is
unanimous.