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A
A
The
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
to
view
for
one
year
and
will
be
deleted
after
that
period.
The
council
has
advertised
all
the
planning
applications
to
be
considered
this
evening.
Some
people
have
applied
to
the
council
to
speak
either
in
support
or
to
object
to
a
planning
application.
A
A
B
There
is
no
fire
alarm
planned
during
this
meeting.
Therefore,
if
the
fire
alarm
sounds,
please
leave
via
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly
point
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings.
The
assembly
point
is
the
pavement
in
front
of
the
museum.
Please
remain
at
the
assembly
point
until
advised
it
is
safe
to
return
to
the
building.
B
A
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
could
I
also
ask
whether
any
members
have
any
declarations
of
interest
that
they
wish
to
make
at
this
stage?
Yes,
please.
D
Thank
you
chairman,
I'd
like
to
declare
an
interest
or
as
an
elected
member
of
west
sussex
county
council
in
any
matter
that
might
concern
west
sussex.
Thank
you.
A
We
have
a
section
at
this
point
in
the
agenda
to
have
public
questions
I
haven't
been
advised.
There
are
any
questions
this
evening,
so
we
won't
be
taking
anything
under
that
item
on
the
agenda.
A
I've
also
to
ask
the
committee
whether
they
wish
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
24th
of
august
by
way
of
an
indication.
Are
you
happy
for
me
to
sign
these
votes
as
a
correct
record?
A
A
So
we'll
move
on
to
planning
applications
in
the
first
planning
application
you
have
up
in
front
of
you.
I
don't
need
to
read
that
and
I'll
ask
mr
james
appleton,
head
of
planning
to
make
the
presentation
on
this
matter.
E
You
chairman,
yes,
this
is
a
reserve
matters.
Application
as
members
will
then
therefore
realize
that
the
principle
of
development
and
the
the
quantum
of
new
homes
on
this
site
was
established
by
the
outline
planning
permission
and
just
to
clarify
to
to
members
that
that
outline
planning
permission
has
a
number
of
conditions.
E
I
think
in
the
the
order
of
32
that
controls
the
development
in
detail,
we
haven't
included
all
those
conditions
in
the
recommendation
they
follow
through
as
part
of
the
the
overall
outline
permission,
but
I
can
go
into
some
of
the
comments
on
the
detailed
conditions
when
I
get
to
the
the
recommendation.
E
So
this
is
the
the
site
with
the
existing
buildings
and
car
parking
when
it
was
in
use
by
the
hmrc
and
as
we
get
closer,
you
can
see
the
existing
buildings
on
the
site.
The
site
did
incorporate
the
the
newer
80s
office
building,
which
is
now
occupied
by
west
sussex
county
council,
and
the
original
outline
planning
permission
did
encourage
that
continued
office
use
which
helped
to
justify
the
residential
development
on
the
remainder
of
the
site.
E
So
the
principle
of
residential
development
was
established,
and
I
suppose
it
is
relevant
to
note
that
that
implementation
of
that
permission
wouldn't
have
resulted
any
in
any
affordable
housing,
as
is
the
permitted
prior
approval
requirements.
E
It
just
establishes
a
change
of
use
from
former
office
use
to
residential
without
any
affordable
that
that's
useful
context
in
terms
of
this
scheme,
because
the
original
outline
application
also
looked
into
the
viability
of
delivering
a
policy
compliant
requirement
of
30,
affordable
and
at
that
stage
the
viability
reports
indicated
that
it
would
not
be
viable
to
deliver
affordable
on
this
site
because
of
the
brownfield
nature
of
the
site.
E
Contamination
from
the
gas
works
to
the
the
the
west
of
the
site
and
just
the
overall
costs
of
redeveloping
and
demolishing
a
number
of
significant
buildings
on
the
site.
At
the
time,
though,
the
owners
that
were
seeking
to
establish
the
permission
did
agree
in
the
legal
agreement,
a
minimum
of
seven
percent
affordable.
E
As
part
of
the
original
106
agreement,
notwithstanding
some
of
the
analysis
of
viability
at
that
stage,
we
do
have
updated
viability
report
and
our
consultants.
Views
on
viability
are
appended
to
the
committee
report,
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
photographs
around
the
site,
showing
the
the
main
entrance
from
barrington
road.
E
E
It's
the
northern
boundary
of
the
site,
and
this
in
particular
looks
at
the
five-storey
element
and
the
northern
boundary
running
along
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
here
and
some
of
that
existing
planting
along
the
the
northern
boundary
with
the
station
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
the
road
other
side
of
the
railway
line,
chestfield
road,
some
interior
shots
of
the
site,
some
of
the
single-story
buildings
that
run
on
a
north-south
access
along
the
site
and
the
southern
hedgerow
on
the
left-hand
side.
E
This
is
the
path
and
hedgerow
that's
mentioned
in
the
report
and
in
the
addendum
reports,
and
the
this
sort
of
southern
path
is,
as
members
will
be
aware,
of
extensively
used
a
very
well-used,
east-west
link
running
along
the
southern
boundary,
the
site.
E
The
applicants
are
very
keen
and
have
recognized
local
communities
desire
to
keep
this
open
during
construction,
and
we
certainly
will
hear
more
on
that,
but
certainly
the
construction
management
plan
and
the
phasing
of
the
development
can
ensure
the
retention
of
this
psychopath
link
and
the
application
also
proposes
to
improve
this
cycle
path.
Link
along
the
southern
boundary.
E
That's
another
view,
looking
at
residential
properties
to
the
south
of
the
site.
This
is
the
western
boundary
significant
number
of
trees
along
there.
You
can
see
the
existing
boundary
fencing
and
the
fact
that
I
I
should
comment
here
that
our
tree
officer
supports
the
preserving
of
these
trees,
but
it
would
be
appropriate
to
do
to
undertake
some
pruning
prior
to
occupation
of
houses
on
the
the
new
development.
Our
officers
are
satisfied
with
the
separation
to
the
houses
themselves,
but
certainly
some
pruning
of
these
trees
would
be
beneficial
prior
to
occupation.
E
Of
the
new
development,
then,
to
the
the
the
master
plan
layout,
this
very
much
fixed
outline
stage
about
the
principle
of
a
central
area
of
open
space,
and
this
area
of
open
space
is
particularly
providing
play,
equipment
and
a
a
suds
balancing
facility,
which
is
just
on
the
south
side
of
the
footpath
psychopath.
That
leads
through
the
site.
E
E
The
outline
planning
permission,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
moment,
indicated
the
care
home
at
the
entrance
to
the
site,
but
with
discussions
with
officers
and
the
regional
design
panel,
it
was
considered
that
the
the
care
home
overlooking
that
central
space
would
be
far
more
appropriate
with
lower
scale,
residential
development
and
houses
on
the
entrance
and
along
the
southern
and
western
sides
of
the
site.
E
The
outline
planning
permission
all
had
envisaged
larger
flats
in
the
northeast
corner
and,
if
I
go
to
that
plan,
actually
now
that's
the
indicative
layout,
which
showed
the
the
care
home
at
the
entrance
to
the
site
and
had
proposed
two
illustrative
layouts
with
the
number
of
houses
and
flats,
potentially
changing
at
the
detailed
stage
and
the
two
options
on
the
outline
layout.
E
But
these
two,
this
particular
layout,
had
a
seven
story:
block
of
flats
in
the
the
north
east
corner,
dropping
down
to
six
story
with
lower
shoulders
on
that
six
story:
block
of
flats.
So
it
was
always
envisioned
envisaged
that
the
higher
density
flats
would
be
in
the
location
closest
to
the
access
to
the
railway
station.
Also,
the
higher
buildings
of
the
existing
80s
hmrc,
building
just
to
the
east
of
the
site
and
the
taller
buildings
around
the
the
the
strand
and
to
the
north
of
the
railway
station.
E
So,
in
terms
of
the
the
scheme,
the
outline
established
the
principle
of
of
six
and
seven
stories,
but
as
discussions
with
the
applicants
looked
at
very
much
lowering
the
height
of
the
development
to
incorporate
a
mix
of
sizes,
and-
and
this
is
quite
a
useful
drawing
just
to
clarify
and
just
explain
that,
tapering
down
of
scale
and
heights,
the
yellow
being
the
two
story,
stepping
up
to
two
and
a
half
story
and
three
story
and
then
going
to
the
maximum
height
on
the
site,
which
is
the
three
green
blocks
there,
which
are
five
story
in
height.
E
The
discussions
with
the
the
scheme
and
the
amendments
have
been
quite
a
a
a
lengthy
iterative
process,
but
one
of
the
key
things
was
to
try
and
improve
permeability
through
the
site
and
certainly
the
ability
to
have
a
landscape
section
either
side
of
the
footpath
leading
through
the
open
space
through
connecting
with
this
southern
east-west
access
does
improve
permeability
through
the
site
and
improve
the
overlooking
of
the
existing
footpath
that
leads
up
along
the
eastern
boundary
of
the
site.
E
E
Quite
a
large
car
park
on
the
adjacent
to
the
the
northern
boundary
of
the
site,
also
through
the
designs,
has
been
a
review
of
looking
at
car
parking
numbers
density,
planting
opportunities,
particularly
on
the
principal
roads,
reading
through
the
site
and
opportunities
to
calm
and
create
landscape
opportunities
within
the
central
area
of
open
space.
E
E
Now
our
engineers
have,
as
they've
indicated,
have
suggested
that
that's
not
the
ideal
solution
and
members
will
be
aware
of
other
sites
where
we've
had
pump
solutions
that
have
caused
problems.
But
this
is
very
much
a
situation
where
we're
also
conscious
that
it's
a
need
for
some
remediation
of
the
site.
E
You'll
see
from
the
representations
there
are
concerns
about
overlooking
from
those
two
northern
blocks.
These
are
now
five
stories,
so
they
are
lower,
but
there
are
still
concerns
from
residential
properties
to
the
north
of
the
site.
You'll
see
from
the
report
that
we
have
about
a
40
meter,
distance
from
those
five-story
blocks
northwards
and
that's
to
the
boundary
of
properties
in
chesterfield
road.
E
Now,
that's
adequate
separation
beyond
our
normal
development
control
standards
for
overlooking-
and
there
has
been
a
request
also
to
consider
potentially
taking
the
the
roofs
off
now,
the
applicants
have
considered
what
else
they
could
do
to
mitigate
some
of
the
potential
overlooking
and
potentially
lose
the
roofs
for
those
blocks
to
lower
the
scale,
bulk
and
massing.
E
On
balance,
therefore,
your
officers
really
feel
that
those
distances
are
sufficient.
Previous
outline
considered,
sixth
and
seventh
story.
This
is
now
five
story
and,
for
the
reasons
also
linked
to
the
pumping
stations
issue
do
not
feel
as
appropriate
to
start
raising
levels
in
that
corner
of
the
site
to
deal
with
the
the
diff.
They
that's
the
low
point
in
the
the
site,
terms
of
affordable
housing
and
viability.
E
You'll
see
that
our
consultants
have
reviewed
as
required
by
the
outline
stage,
so
we
have
had
a
further
viability
review.
Our
consultants
think
that
there
is
the
opportunity
potentially
for
additional,
affordable
housing.
They
they
conclude,
there's
a
surplus
of
371
000
in
their
assessment,
now
the
applicants
and
that's
when
there
was
seven
percent
and
before
any
additional
housing
was
added
any
additional,
affordable
housing.
The
applicants
could
have
contested
the
our
consultants.
They
certainly
have
adopted
our
consultants,
sales
values
figures
into
their
revised
appraisal.
E
They
have
also
provided
additional
information
to
demonstrate
that
they're
getting
a
fair
value
for
the
care
home
by
giving
us
details
of
that
disposal
to
a
care
home
operator,
and
they
have
included
the
two
additional
affordable
houses
that
are
on
the
screen
here
to
address
our
consultant's
view
that
could
be
scoped
for
additional,
affordable
housing.
E
Now,
on
the
basis
of
securing
the
additional
affordable,
your
officers
feel
that
the
revised
viability
assessment
submitted
by
the
applicants
is
is,
is
robust
and
with
the
improved,
affordable
housing
office
deals
with
the
viability
issue
that
was
identified
at
the
outline
stage.
E
I
think
the
key
issue
with
this
is
that,
as
I
say,
we
have
had
that
robust
assessment
of
the
the
viability
case.
E
The
applicants
have
also
in
response
to
previous
questions
about
the
energy
strategy,
have
increased
the
amount
of
air
source
heat
pumps
to
be
provided
by
the
development
has
set
out
in
the
addendum
report,
and
I
should
just
at
that
point
mentioning
twice
the
addendum
the
addendum
report.
Can
I
just
check
that
members
did
receive
the
addendum
reports
and
had
a
chance
to
to
view
them?
I'm
conscious
that
we
have
two
substitute
members.
So
can
I
just
check
where
they've
seen
the
addendum
reports
great?
Thank
you
very
much
yeah.
E
I
I
do
apologize,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
ground
covered
here.
It's
a
very
detailed
committee
report
and
the
the
applicants
were
very
keen
to
make
sure
that
they
covered
every
point
raised
in
the
committee
report
and
therefore
they
have
gone
back
on
all
the
questions
raised
in
the
report
in
relation
to
various
detailed
matters.
E
In
terms
of
all
the
matters
on
the
report,
the
applicants
have
confirmed
that
all
dwellings
will
meet
space
standards
that
all
gardens
will
meet
the
the
necessary
standards
and
that
that
other
matters
that
I've
already
mentioned
about
drainage
have
been
covered
and
also
confirmation
around
fencing
for
play,
areas
and
details
of
what
level
of
water
would
be
contained
within
the
central
suds
space
there.
E
I
think
just
going
on
now
to
that's
the
outline
scheme
again,
which
this
is
a
plan
that
just
showed
the
heights,
which
were
a
mixture
of
two
three
four
six
and
seven.
We
now
have
a
scheme
of
two
with
a
maximum
of
five
story
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
design
of
the
houses
and
apartments
for
the
site,
the
the
designs
have
improved
as
part
of
the
processing
of
the
application.
E
A
strong
visual
and
a
strong
sort
of
a
design
feature
of
the
development
has
been
incorporating
the
gables
to
the
to
the
apartment
buildings.
The
outline
indicated
flat
roofs,
but
was
only
an
indication
of
outline
stage.
The
architects
have
worked
very
closely
on
this
and
have
looked
at
trying
to
address
some
concerns
about
lightening
the
top
floors.
E
This
is
a
view
across
the
central
open
space
and
indicates
the
the
use
of
balconies
the
overhang
to
pitch
roofs
creates
quite
a
distinctive
feel
to
the
development
and
breaks
up
the
the
scale
bulk
mass
of
the
the
larger
blocks
of
flats
on
the
site
comes
across
quite
effectively
on
the
cgi's.
E
You
have
to
zoom
in
more
on
the
flat
elevations
to
see
some
of
the
detailing,
but,
as
this
is
shown
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
varying
scale
of
the
blocks
of
flats.
This
is
particularly,
as
you
come
into
the
development,
with
the
the
flat
stepping
from
two
three
four
and
then
five
in
the
northeast
corner.
E
This
is
an
elevation
just
to
show
the
the
footpath
leading
to
the
station
and
and
particularly
the
the
improved
surveillance
of
that
footpath
linked
through
to
the
station,
and
that's
the
the
gap
that's
created
between
these
two
blocks
as
the
the
footpath
permeates
through
the
site
and
connects
with
the
connection
through
to
the
station.
E
Some
other
views
there's
some
views,
then
of
the
three-storey
townhouses
proposed.
As
you
see,
through
the
the
images,
a
variety
of
sized
houses
from
two
two
and
a
half
to
three
storey,
stepping
up
through
the
site.
E
I've
just
got
a
a
close-up
here
of
the
southern
boundary
of
the
site.
There
has
been
some
concerns
about
the
existing
cul-de-sacs
connecting
up
to
an
improved
cycle
path
along
here.
That
is
something
that
would
be.
E
The
detail
will
be
covered
by
the
a
separate
highways
agreement
with
west
sussex,
but
there
would
be
a
an
ability
to
control
access
and
prevent
cyclists
sort
of
speeding
through
into
these
cul-de-sacs
to
the
south
of
the
site,
but
it
shows
the
ownership
down
to
the
the
boundary
with
these
properties
to
the
south
and
the
ability
for
the
applicants
to
improve
this
east
west
cycle
path
through
the
site
and,
as
I
said
before,
the
applicants
will
look
through
the
construction
management
plan
to
phase
to
retain
that
as
a
quite
a
an
important
link
through
particularly
connecting
to
to
local
schools
and
the
leisure
center
to
the
east
of
the
site.
E
So
I
think
that's
quite
a
long
presentation
and
there's
a
lot
of
additional
information
and
apologies
for
that.
But
it's
obviously
a
a
a
a
large
scheme.
It's
important
to
address
all
the
the
various
points
that
the
committee
report
sort
of
had
some
of
them
unanswered,
but
were
points
of
detail
that
have
been
addressed
by
the
applicants.
E
They
are
here
and
I
would
suggest
chairman
that
we
do
have
a
number
of
the
development
team
here.
So
if
there
are
specific
questions
for
individual
applicants
or
specialists
in
the
the
application,
the
applicants
and
their
consultants-
and
that
can
be
given,
I
do
have
two
representations
from
local
residents
who
couldn't
appear
chairman,
and
they
have
made
a
request
that
I
read
out
their
representations
here
for
for
members.
So
I'll
do
that
in
a
in
moment,
and
I.
E
Anything
perhaps
stephen
that
I
I've
missed
or
is
anything
particularly
you
need
to
update
on.
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
updates,
particularly
we
did
have
comments
from
our
environment,
health
manager,
on
noise
issues,
but
if
I
could
just
hand
over
to
stephen
for
a
couple
of
extra
updates.
F
Thank
you
chairman,
a
few
points.
Firstly
in
the
update
sheet,
and
yes,
it
was
very
much
a
reflection
of
work
in
progress,
so
we
issued
it
to
you
to
show
the
dialogue
that
we
are
having
with
the
applicants.
To
conclude
on
some
detailed
points,
one
of
them
is
about
yellow
lining.
F
The
county
have
confirmed
today
that
they
don't
foresee
need
for
additional,
yellow
lining
in
barrington
road.
Another
is
noise,
as
mentioned
in
the
update
sheet.
We
have
had
a
re
comment
back
from
environmental
health.
Today
they
do
still
need
to
see
more
of
the
source
data
on
which
it
was
based,
and
also
that
may
elicit
the
need
for
an
overheating
assessment.
F
The
good
thing
about
this
site
is
that
the
most
noise
exposed
parts
of
the
site
are
facing
north
away
from
the
sun.
So
we
think
that
that
equation
should
reasonably
well
balance,
but
we
do
need
to
see
that,
because
that
will
inform
what
we
think
about
ventilation
of
buildings
and
whether
the
methods
that
are
proposed
are
adequate
or
whether
anything
more
is
needed.
But,
as
I
stressed
chairman,
that
that
would
be
a
detailed
matter
capable
of
being
dealt
with
under
conditions
or
delegation.
F
They
talk
also
about
maintenance,
maintenance
of
drainage
and
maintenance
of
roads.
We
have
here
a
legal
agreement
which
requires
a
management
company
to
look
after
certain
attributes
within
the
site,
but
it
does
not
preclude
them
from
also
offering
roads
up
for
adoption
and
the.
I
think
the
likelihood
is
that
the
main
roads
through
the
site
will
be
adopted
by
the
county
council.
F
If
they
aren't,
then
they
go
to
the
management
company,
likewise
the
drainage
that
much
of
that
will
go
to
southern
water,
but
there
may
be
areas
where
it
still
remains
with
the
management
company,
who
are
bound
under
the
legal
agreement
to
maintain
them.
One
drainage
element
is
the
pond.
F
We've
heard
that
and
you've
seen
in
the
update
sheet
that
one
in
three
gradient
is
proposed
and
most
of
the
time
it's
going
to
be
dry,
the
one
in
three
gradient,
a
note
is
something
which
the
roster
royal
society
of
potential
accidents
usually
stipulate
for
these
sorts
of
features.
So
I
think
we'd
be
confident
on
that
also
mentioned
the
some
of
the
house
plots
where
we
had
queries
over
the
the
the
rooms
and
and
how
they
were
counted
in
terms
of
describing
a
building
as
a
two
or
three
better.
F
F
Also,
I
would
stress
that
the
ones
where
we
do
regard,
perhaps
an
upstairs
room,
which
is
described
either
as
a
study
or
a
second
lounge,
possibly
as
a
bedroom,
wouldn't
fall
out
of
bed
with
the
amount
of
car
parking
proposed
for
those
plots.
They
have
provided
quite
a
generous
amount
for
those
particular
types
of
unit
and
also,
lastly,
I
think,
on
trees
chairman
the
tree
planting
is
something
which
we
may
need
to
expand.
F
One
last
point:
if
I
may,
the
the
drainage
matter
that
strapleton
was
referring
to
there
is
a
point
in
time
where
there
will
be
known
what
the
remediation
has
been
able
to
achieve,
and
therefore
also
what
types
of
other
infiltration
if
any
might
be
available,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
expect
that
that
would
be
a
great
deal
more.
F
There
is,
I
think,
quite
a
lot
already
provided
on
the
development,
but
maybe
there
are
opportunities
for
some
small
degree
more,
which
will
help
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
closer
to
the
the
green
field.
Drainage
rate
that
the
county
very
much
encourage
under
policy,
but
I
I
suspect
we
won't
get
to
100
of
that
chairman.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
right
members
questions
to
mr
appleton
or
mr
cantwell.
I
just
remind
you
again
that
the
the
there
are
lots
of
representatives
of
belleway
here,
so
the
questions
specifically
about
details
of
their
application,
then
perhaps
save
them
for
them.
But
questions
to
mr
appleton,
mr
cantwell,
on
their
presentations.
A
Okay,
council,
atkins.
D
Thank
you
chair
just
two
questions.
If
I
may,
the
recommendation
from
the
county
council,
fire
and
rescue
is
a
condition
for
approval
of
fire
hydrant
positions.
Can
I
have
a
comment
on
that?
Please.
E
Yes,
I
mean
that
that's
a
standard
response
from
west
sussex
fire
brigade
and
that
would
be
covered
by
planning
condition
if
there's
a
requirement
for
fire
hydrants
to
be
incorporated
within
the
development.
That
is,
I
can
just
check.
It
may
well
be
covered
by
the
outline
planning
permission.
In
any
event,.
D
Thank
you
and
my
second
question
chairman,
if
I
may
currently,
this
is
talking
about
drainage,
which
we've
heard
quite
a
lot
about
this
evening,
but
it
says
currently
the
proposed
strategy
and
layout
continues
to
fail
to
comply
with
the
county
council
planning.
Could
you
comment
on
that?
Please,
that's
bottom
of
page,
eight.
E
Yes,
german,
I
mean
that
that's
really
the
the
discussion
around
whether
the
site
can
secure
100
greenfield
rates
or
not,
and
this
has
been
the
the
discussion-
that's
been
going
on
for
some
time
now
around
the
phasing
and
timing
and
whether
you
can
achieve
it
on
a
brownfield
site
where
you
have
got
contamination
and
remediation.
E
So
that's
where
we
will
need
that
further
monitoring
to
be
done
further
assessment
and
final
detailed
drainage
scheme
to
be
produced,
which
is
a
an
outline
requirement
anyway
in
terms
of
the
the
monitoring
that
will
be
required
and
there
may
be
opportunities
for
additional
infiltration
and
storage.
But
that
would
have
to
come
out
as
part
of
that
detailed
drainage,
design.
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
mr
appleton,
have
you
got
an
update
on
the
homes,
england
discussions?
Please.
E
Yes,
so
you
may
hear
more
from
that.
The
applicants
are
aware
of
the
the
requirement
under
the
legal
agreement
to
engage
with
homes,
england,
certainly
your
officers
to
help
that
process
have
engaged
with
homes,
england,
to
talk
about
what
funding
there
may
be
for
infrastructure
and
holmes.
England
indicated
that
the
main
sources
of
funding
are
through
affordable
housing
grant
through
strategic
partners,
but
invariably
of
affordable
housing
grant
isn't
available,
where
there's
not
a
policy
compliant
level
of
affordable
already
being
achieved.
E
The
the
other
problem
that
certainly
your
officers
have
encountered
on
other
sites
is
that
where
there
is
affordable,
housing
grant,
it's
usually
separate
to
the
planning
process
and
it's
after
planning
permission
has
been
granted.
That's
really
because
homes,
england
and
affordable
housing
grant
is
additional
to
what
can
be
secured
through
the
planning
process.
So
we
sometimes
have
a
situation
where
we
have
30
granted
on
a
site
and
then
find
out.
E
The
100
is
delivered
because
it's
affordable
housing
grant,
but
that
additionality
is
also
the
reason
why
homes
england
like
to
use
that
outside
of
the
planning
process
planning
process
robustly
tests,
what
you
can
secure
through
planning
and
then
affordable
housing,
sometimes
gives
additionality
beyond
the
planning
process.
That's
not
to
say
that
the
developers
won't
be
engaging
and
you'll
probably
hear
more
about
their
initial
discussions
with
homes.
England.
B
E
So
there
is
a
a
requirement
on
the
applicants
to
engage
to
to
see
whether
there
will
be.
I
make
the
point
that
quite
often
where
affordable
housing
grants
involved
it's
beyond
the
grant
of
planning
information,
and
so
it's
separate
to
the
planning
process.
So
there
could
be.
But
yes
indeed,.
B
Sorry,
thank
you.
They
are
not
tied
by
approving
this
to
only
delivering
seven
point
something
percent.
If
homes
england
were
to
facilitate
them,
offering
more
that's.
G
H
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
mr
appleton,
going
back
to
page
nine
of
the
original
report.
It
states
that
full
winter
ground
water
monitoring
will
occur
between
october
and
march.
H
It's
very
to
the
front
of
my
mind
that
we've
just
gone
through
one
of
the
driest
summers
that
surely
we
must
have
ever
experienced,
and
I
have
a
concern
that
whatever
this
monitoring
process,
whatever
the
information
delivers
to
us
that
this
information
will
be
relevant
and
accurate
to
ongoing
years,
is
this
in
your
opinion,
going
to
present
us
an
unusually
false
low
reading?
Should
we
add
some
sort
of
weighting
to
it?.
E
I
think
what
we
have
to
take
account
here
is
that
it's
a
brownfield
site
with
significant
amount
of
buildings
and
hard
standing
on
the
site.
So
there
is
an
opportunity
here
of
betterment
and
reduced
risk
of
flooding
as
a
result
of
this
development
taking
place
and
more
green
space
being
created,
more
better,
more
opportunities
through
the
sud
solution
to
reduce
the
rate
of
runoff.
So
even
if
it
did
give
us
a
false
impression,
the
the
flood
risk
is
less
as
a
result
of
the
development
going
ahead
compared
to
the
existing
situation.
I
Yeah
having
thoroughly
read
the
proposal
for
the
plan,
the
lighting
through
the
cycle
path
from
the
central
green,
what
sort
of
level
lighting
would
that
be
because,
with
higher
buildings
at
night,
the
thoroughfare
is
obscured,
so
we
wouldn't
want
it
to
become
a
haven
for
crime
or
anything
with
a
quick
exit
to
the
station.
E
Yes-
and
I
I
think,
sussex
police
have
made
a
similar
comment
about
within
the
site
being
careful
to
look
at
sort
of
lighting
and
avoiding
dark
spots
and
and
certainly
for
any
cycle
path
through.
It
is
a
matter
that
will
be
covered
by
condition
to
control
the
lighting
that
would
be
on
that
cycle
path.
E
It's
always
a
question
of
getting
the
balance,
there's
obviously
running
through
a
residential
area,
and
you
need
to
get
that
sort
of
strikeout
balance
between
crack,
attractive
areas
and
also
making
sure
that
it's
a
well-lit,
accessible
and
safe
route
through
the
site,
but
certainly
that
that
will
be
covered
by
a
planning
condition.
B
Sorry
chair,
I
should
have
said
this
at
the
same
time.
Mr
appleton,
you
may
not
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
guess
the
tree
officer
isn't
here.
So
I
have
to
ask
you:
why
are
tree
root
barriers,
not
a
good
thing,
so
that
we
could
have
more
trees
near
nearer
to
the
underground
services,
the
sewers
and
so
on?
B
E
Yes,
it's
a
discussion
we're
having
on
a
number
of
sites.
It
is
something
that
our
engineers
and
southern
water
are
generally
opposed
to
root
barriers,
because
they
don't
feel
that
they're
that
effective
and
tree
roots
are
incredibly
getting
round
barriers.
So
generally,
there
is
an
easement
area
where
they
would
prefer
not
to
have
tree
planting,
and
our
engineers
also
are
worried
about
future
maintenance
issues
with
trees
close
to
underground
services.
E
That's
partly
why
we,
when
you
heard
we're
keen
to
make
sure
the
applicant
has
provided
some
reassurance
that
the
planting
schedule
has
taken
into
account.
The
service
runs
for
the
site.
E
That
is
just
a
constraint.
The
and
tree
barriers
generally
treat
our
root.
Barriers
are
generally
not
something
that
our
engineers
are
particularly
keen
to
encourage.
A
Thank
you
is
that,
oh
okay,
sorry
counselor
novak.
Sorry
thank.
C
You
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
some
detailed
questions
about
the
report
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
that's
the
appropriate
time
or
later,
but,
for
instance,
in
the
section
on
biodiversity,
I
was
quite
surprised
by
the
lack
of
ambition
to
be
honest,
and
I
just
wondered,
for
instance,
whether
some
of
the
taller
buildings
certainly
those
above
two
stories.
E
Certainly
there
is,
there
were
a
list
of
things
that
they
were
looking
at,
to
enhance
biodiversity
on
the
site
and,
and
certainly
things
like
swift
boxes
and
the
like
are
something
that
we
would
be
keen
to
ensure
were
implemented
as
part
of
the
development
and
and
again
there
is
a
condition
relating
to
implementation
of
a
number
of
those
measures.
So
the
applicant
might
comment
further,
but
certainly
the
the
the
initial
outline
ecological
and
some
of
the
works.
E
Some
of
the
reports
submitted
at
the
reserve
matter
stage
talk
about
a
number
of
measures
to
enhance
biodiversity,
but
but
but
I
I
do
agree,
it's
something.
The
emerging
local
plan
is
very
keen
to
encourage
particularly
swift
boxes,
because
we've
seen
a
significant
increase
in
number
of
swifts
in
in
urban
areas
and
in
worthing
in
particular.
So
yes,
certainly
that's
a
measure.
We
can
incorporate.
C
C
A
C
I
noticed
in
the
report
reference
to
weatherboarding
as
one
of
the
materials
used
on
some
of
the
buildings
they
get,
my
ignorance,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
tall
apartment
buildings
and
bearing
in
mind
the
horrible
tragedies
we've
witnessed
in
this
country
with
flammable
materials,
I
assume
that
if
weatherboarding
or
all
the
like
is
intended
for
the
tall
apartment
buildings,
that
it's
complies
with
all
the
fire
standards
and
so
on.
E
Yes,
certainly,
german,
the
the
building
regulations
in
relation
to
those
materials
would
have
would
avoid
those
sort
of
problems
and,
in
some
respects
we've.
C
A
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
probably
come
to
the
end
of
questions
so
we'll
move
to
public
speakers
or
registered
speakers.
As
mr
appleton
said,
we
have
got
two
submissions
if
you
like
in
objection
to
the
application,
neither
I
think
is
here,
so
I
think
you're
going
to
read
them.
Aren't
you
in
your
inimitable
style,.
E
Thank
you
chairman.
Yes,
so
we
have
two
letters,
one
from
mr
smith
who
lives
in
walpole
avenue.
The
report
highlights
that
a
formal
connection
from
the
cul-de-sacs
would
involve
works
to
a
margin
of
land
which
is
not
owned
by
the
applicant
and
it's
not
highways
land.
In
other
words,
the
ownership
of
the
land
is
unknown.
E
Given
that
the
developers
plans
show
that
this
unidentified
land
is
critical
to
the
access
pathways
from
the
cul-de-sacs,
one
asks
what
efforts
have
been
made
to
discover
the
ownership
of
the
land
in
the
case
of
the
access
from
walpole
avenue,
this
margin
of
land
is
occupied
by
large
conifers
planted
by
residents
30
years
ago.
The
size
of
these
now
mature
trees
currently
prevents
anything
other
than
informal
pedestrian
use
turned
from
the
existing
pathway
on
the
hmrc
site
through
a
small
gap
down
a
one
meter
high
bank.
E
The
report
notes
the
legal
difficulty
in
achieving
more
than
the
informal
opening
currently
in
use,
but
it
also
offers
the
possibility
of
a
formal
connection
if
legally
possible.
This
uncertainty
is
a
major
concern
for
me
and
other
walpole
avenue
residents
the
trees,
many
of
which
exceed
12
meters.
In
height,
provide
a
thriving
natural
habitat
for
birds
and
other
wildlife,
the
residents
believe
that,
as
a
primary
rule,
the
integrity
of
these
established
trees
should
not
be
compromised,
and
I
trust
the
committee
shares
this
view.
Clearly,
some
damage
to
the
trees
from
increased
pedestrian
activity
is
inevitable.
E
The
second
letter
is
from
mr
wren:
resides
in
chesterfield
road
new
plans
have
moved
the
flats
apartments
further
forward
towards
the
railway
line
and
station
a
further
encroachment
onto
our
north
side
properties
in
chesterfield
road
and
have
turned
the
flats
apartments
to
face
north
towards
our
properties
instead
of
eastward,
where
they
would
have
been
not
intrusive
into
our
properties.
Whereas
now
we
further
become
a
viewing
platform
for
the
apartment.
Tenants
is
this,
so
they
do
not
overlook
the
proposed
site.
E
We
already
suffer
problems
with
minority
with
a
with
a
minority
of
tenants
of
the
high-rise
buildings
in
the
causeway,
where
further
construction
of
flatlets
from
an
old
office
block
nhs
offices
are
being
converted
at
present.
Only
three-story
high,
also
drake
avenue,
the
strand
and
the
boulevard
are
becoming
no-go
areas.
This
is
worthing
not
peckham
or
the
broad
water
estate
in
london.
E
You
have
added
a
psychopath
to
nowhere
towards
the
station,
but
in
previous
comments
network
rail
have
stated
that
their
station
property
is
private
and
not
part
of
the
new
proposed
site
or
access.
So
where
is
a
cycle
track
to
end
up
proposed
removal
of
the
present
trees
and
replacement
along
the
north
track
side
perimeter?
E
E
What
is
the
logic
of
felling
these
trees
just
to
plant
new
ones?
Until
we
are
made
aware
of
the
proposed
site,
height
and
construction,
details
of
the
rest
home
for
the
elderly?
Opposite
my
property,
myself
and
neighbours
will
become
a
further
goldfish
bowl
and
viewing
platform
for
all
to
peer
into
the
proposals
for
the
site
have
changed
so
many
times
without
proper
community
or
residence
input.
The
site
proposals
have
moved
from
acceptable
housing
to
thoughtless
construction,
thus
creating
a
future
eyesore
ghetto
no-go
areas
to
accompany
the
ones
we
already
have.
E
The
apartments
were
to
be
partial
retirement
properties,
but
that
is
no
longer
the
case.
So
who
are
they
for
worthing
needs
housing,
not
further
flats,
be
it
private
or
councilwork,
keep
the
high-rise
buildings
to
a
maximum
three
at
most
four-story
in
height
flat
and
not
pitch
roofed.
If
a
pitched
roof
is
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
proposed
housing
that
make
the
apartment
buildings
a
story
less
to
accommodate,
build
small
bungalows
for
the
elderly,
which
will
then
release
two
three
and
four
bedroom
housing
is.
A
Okay,
we
now
move
move
to
presentations
in
support.
A
Right,
okay,
yeah,
okay,
so
we
first
presentation
is,
is
going
to
be
made
by
jasmine
watkins.
I
think
she's
dealing
with
a
specific
aspect
to
the
site
which
we've
already
heard
about.
So
do
you
like
to
come
to
the
to
speak
and
she's,
bringing
two
younger
residents
with
her,
who
also
want
to
say
something
about
the
subject
so
I'll
leave
it
to
you
to
introduce
your.
K
Away
homes
are
aware:
a
petition
we
at
safer,
active
travel
sent
to
you
received
301
signatures.
You
confirm
that
you
are
committed
to
providing
a
three
to
three
and
a
half
meter
cycle
lane
and
footpath,
which
you
are
aiming
to
commence
10
to
12
months
after
sight,
working
begins
in
your
letter
to
us.
You
stated
that
the
first
path
will
remain
open.
Whilst
north
side
development
demand
development
is
preceding.
However,
it
becomes
unclear
as
to
how
or
if
the
footpath
will
remain
operational.
L
The
lengths
of
the
time
the
foot
pass
is
closed.
Worries
as
we
understand
that,
whilst
you
work
on
the
footpath,
it
will
have
to
be
closed
and
we
would
like
to
get
a
rough
idea
to
how
long
this
will
be.
A
lot
of
my
friends
use
this
footpath
as
a
safe
route
to
walk
home.
We
are
concerned
that
divergence
through
surrounding
roads
are
dangerous
at
school
drop
off
and
pick
up
times.
J
J
J
Echoing
groups,
echoing
other
groups,
concerns
I.e,
goring
residents
association.
J
J
I
would
like
to
finish
with
a
heartwarming
story.
A
couple
told
us
they
used
to
enjoy
frequent
trips
to
the
countryside,
but
they
can
no
longer
get
out
there,
so
their
daily
trips
along
the
path
are
their
trips
to
the
country
they
have.
They
were
finally
telling
us
all
about
the
wildlife
that
they
see
in
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
your
presentations.
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
Thank
you
for
doing
that
and
I'm
sure
the
developers
will
have
heard
you
loud
and
clear
and
I'm
sure
they
may
well
address
it
when
they
get
to
their
their
presentations
or
at
least
if
they
don't
I'll,
ask
them
the
questions
in
the
question
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
So
we
now
move
to
presentations
from
the
applicant
and
I
think
it's
julian
goodban
is
going
to
make
that
presentation
on
their
behalf,
so
that
bring
you
forward
to
the
microphone.
A
You
have
three
minutes
I'll,
be
very
strict
on
you,
but
we,
I
am
intending
to
allow
maximum
time
for
questions
and
I
know
you've
other
members
of
the
team,
so
we
will
be
flexible
in
that
in
that
element
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
you.
M
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
isabella
and
dallas
for
that
for
that
presentation
good
evening
councillors,
I'm
julian
goodman,
I'm
the
regional
planning
director
at
bellway
and
I'm
joined
this
evening
by
my
colleague,
michael
burch,
at
belleway
lucy
wilford
at
dha,
planning,
matt
fitzpatrick
on
energy
and
sustainability
from
abbey
consultants
and
tom
glassen
from
the
affordable
housing
and
viability
team
at
bmp
parabar.
M
Should
any
councillors
have
any
questions,
and
I'm
hopeful
that
either
myself
or
the
team
can
answer
them
this
evening,
for
you
and
by
way
of
backgrounds,
belway
purchased
the
site
last
year,
with
the
benefit
of
outline
planning
permission.
The
reason
this
site
was
selected
was
due
to
its
sustainable
location.
Next
to
the
train
station,
its
holy
brown
field
and
its
development
can
positively
contribute
towards
the
vitality
of
durrington
itself,
with
the
introduction
of
287
new
homes
and
a
care
home
from
day.
M
Our
assessment
was
that
seven
stories
was
at
the
higher
end
of
acceptability
and
we
wanted
to
keep
taller
buildings
to
a
minimum.
The
resultant
scheme
is
now
set
at
a
maximum
of
five
stories
and
has
successfully
reduced
both
the
scale
and
massing
when
compared
with
the
outline
scheme.
It's
therefore
pleasing
that
the
design
is
supported
by
officers.
The
scheme
has
undergone
significant
changes
from
the
access,
and
this
process
has
been
wholly
inclusive.
M
With
these
comments
from
the
design
review
panel
at
within
industry
experts
that
have
all
been
taken
on
board,
we've
addressed
big
ticket
items
such
as
layout
height
and
overall,
messing
through
to
window
alignment,
roof
pitches
entrance
doors
and
boundary
fencing
and
by
working
collaboratively
with
offices,
we've
been
able
to
evolve
this
scheme
and
improve
it
throughout
scheme
also
includes
another
at
other
elements
of
substantial
benefits
where
we've
exceeded
many
requirements.
This
includes
100
ev
charging
for
both
the
houses
and
the
flats,
which
will
further
promote
the
use
of
more
sustainable
travel.
M
As
we
move
to
fully
electric
cars,
all
flats
will
be
fitted
with
hot
water
pumps
and
33
of
the
larger
houses
will
also
benefit
from
air
source
heat
pumps,
removing
the
need
for
gas
combustion
to
over
50
percent
of
the
properties.
This
is
50
percent,
more
than
was
agreed
within
the
outlying
planning
permission.
M
We've
significantly
improved
on
the
baseline
position,
bringing
forward
these
new
sustainable
technologies
and
through
building
rigs,
and
this
positive
approach
as
we
move
to
a
more
sustainable
future
in
years
to
come
in
terms
of
affordable
housing,
the
site
is
complicated
by
significant
demolition
and
decontamination
costs,
which
negatively
affects
the
viability
of
any
scheme.
M
M
In
summary,
the
proposals
have
been
thoroughly
examined
and
tested
and
we're
pleased
that
officers
and
their
technical
advisors
have
endorsed
the
scheme
and
recommend
approval
overall
we're
excited
and
committed
to
the
development
of
this
highly
sustainable
brownfield
site
to
provide
the
borough
with
well-designed,
sustainable
and
needed
houses.
We
therefore
respectfully
quest
request
that
the
application
is
approved.
A
Thank
you,
mr
goodbye,
and
do
any
members
have
specific
questions
addressed
well,
I
probably
should
address
the
question
that
was
addressed
to
you
by
our
speakers,
our
younger
members
in
the
residence
group
about
the
access
the
cycle
way.
The.
M
Access
and
cycle-
yes,
we're
fully
committed.
We
the
first
moment
we
we
went
to
site.
We
realized
how
what
an
important
function
that
footpath
and
cycleway
provides
it
provides
that
east
east
west
link,
our
intention
is
to-
and
we
are
fully
committed
to
keep
that
open
as
best
we
can
throughout
the
construction
process.
M
We
also
don't
quite
know
at
this
point
what
services
run
down
that
footpath,
so
we're
not
entirely
sure
how
easy
that
is
going
to
be.
But
what
I
can
suggest-
and
I'm
sure
this
is
part
of
the
planning
conditions
that
are
imposed-
is
to
come
up
with
a
construction
management
plan,
and
we
fully
agree
with
the
intention
to
keep
that
open
for
as
significantly
as
long
as
we
possibly
can.
M
I'd
also
extend
belway
to
work
collaboratively
with
local
residents
groups,
so
we
can
come
up
with
the
best
plan.
Usually
with
these
with
these
things,
dialogue
is
the
key.
If
we
can,
if
we
can
explain
to
to
local
residents
and
to
councillors
the
issues
that
potentially
we
face,
then
there's
always
there's
a
better
understanding.
But,
yes,
our
intention
is
to
be
able
to
develop
the
site
and
maintain
that
east-west
link
at
all
times.
A
A
I
think,
particularly
the
commitment
to
talk
to
residents,
as
things
are
going
on
because
clearly
that
that
will
help
to
ensure
that
people
are
happy
with
what's
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
particularly
the
early
start
on
on
that
particular
part
of
the
site
would
be
very
much
welcome
to
en
ensure
that
there
is
continuity
of
use
for
as
long
a
period
as
possible
and
that
it's
not
taken
out
of
use
for
long
periods
during
the
construction
phase.
I
think
that's
really
the
message
I
think
that's
coming
from
residents.
A
K
H
Thank
you
chair,
mr
goodman.
I
believe
you
said
during
your
presentation
that
you'd
reduce
the
gas
heating
on
site
down
to
50
percent
of
the
dwellings
correct.
Thank
you
very
much.
What
what
specific
element
prevented
you
from
doing?
100.
M
Viability
in
in
essence,
counselor
we
have
sought
to
essentially
keep
the
affordable
housing
at
the
same
level
as
the
outline
at
the
outline
stage.
There
were
no
additional
energy
efficiency
requirements.
Put
onto
the
outline
planning
permission.
M
I
think
I'm
right
in
saying
that
there's
a
condition
that
allows
would
potentially
allow
bellway
to
include
all
that
heat,
the
entire
site
from
gas
boilers,
but
we've
we've
understood
and
listened
to
councillors
concerned
about
gas
boilers
and
therefore
the
additional
cost
of
providing,
in
this
case,
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
normal
heat
pumps.
With
to
the
to
the
flats,
then
we've
taken
that
on
board
and
that's
in
my,
in
my
view,
additionality
in
order
to
address
in
order
to
address
the
concerns
of
the
council.
M
H
Thank
you
for
that,
as
as
with
a
lot
of
things,
it
comes
down
to
costs,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
you've
made
the
effort
with
50
of
it.
There
is
a
mixture
of
housing
on
site.
The
50
that
still
gas
is.
Is
that
a
particular
form
of
the
housing?
Is
it
apartments
as
opposed
to
houses
or
flats,
or
how
have
you
divvied
up
that
50?
Please.
M
It's
primarily
the
larger
houses
that
will
benefit
from
the
from
the
air
source
heat
pumps.
Yeah.
Thank
you.
When
you've
got
your
consultant
team,
then
you
want
to
get
the
answer
right,
so
the
larger
houses
that
which
are
which
will
which
would
remain
so
it's
easier
to
it's
easier.
It's
simpler
to
adapt
it
to
the
smaller
houses.
M
I
Yeah,
it's
just
referring
to
the
management
plan
of
when
you
get
started
on
a
build
on
any
potential
builders.
I've
worked
in
road
works
myself
and
duplex
is
where
you
put
in
a
path
where
there's
already
existing
path
alongside
it,
so
you
can
shutter
it
off
and
then
work
on
the
next
path,
and
then
you
can
you've
got
your
health
and
safety.
Backed
is.
Is
that
simple
that
that
part
will
be
in
retention
through
the
entire
build?
That's
just
one
observation.
This.
M
Yes,
council,
I
think
you're
entirely
correct.
What
we're
talking
about
or
potentially
hoping
to
do
is
to
put
the
temporary
footpath
on
the
northern
side
of
the
existing
hedgerow.
Do
the
works
to
the
existing
footpath
upgrade
those
and
then
move
move
everything
back
again
to
to
open
up
the
new,
essentially
the
new
footpath.
That's
what
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
do,
but
the
as
I
said
we
don't
know
quite
in
the
level
and
depth
of
services
etc,
and
where
those
run.
I
Can
I
follow
up
yeah,
there's
a
quite
quite
a
wet
breadth
of
land
there,
as
you
saw
in
the
picture
mr
appleton
put
up,
you
might
be
able
to
go
for
the
south
side
of
that
and
put
the
pathway
in
and
then
move
it
and
you'd
have
all
the
space
that
was
related
to
the
site
north
of
that
and
without
any
causing
any
problems
for
anyone
locally.
So
that's
just
an
idea.
B
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation,
mr
goodman.
I'm
actually
the
climate
emergency
cabinet
member,
so
there's
a
lot
in
here
which
is
really
important
to
me.
I'm
really
glad
you've
gone
above
just
above
the
50
percent,
with
the
non-gas.
M
N
Yeah
I
mean
from
adaptability
point
of
view
that
they
should
be
ready
to
accept
s
or
seat
pumps,
so
you've
got
larger
radiators
because
they
need
a
larger
area
for
for
heat.
So
they're
ready
for
that,
and
there
should
be
space
within
the
within
the
the
buildings
to
accept
a
cylinder.
B
I
have
some
follow-up.
Yes,
the
reduction
in
co2
emissions
that
you've
achieved
when
the
houses
are
that's
for
the
operation
of
the
houses.
I
wondered
if
you'd
done
any
work
on
the
co2,
reducing
the
co2
emissions
during
the
construction
materials
supply
chains.
Have
you
directed
your
minds
at
all
to
reducing
co2
into
construction,
which
is
very
co2?
Intensive.
N
Obviously,
a
lot
of
the
materials
are
going
to
be
chosen
from
the
bre
guide,
so
they'll
be
a
rated.
So
so,
in
terms
of
timber
I
mean
the
sourcing
of
that
that
that
will
be
will
be.
As
I
said,
a
rated
the
the
embodied
carbon
most
of
the
the
sourcing
of
the
materials
is
we're
using
air
creep
blocks,
so
the
embodied
carbon
from
that
is
is
low.
Thought
has
been
given
to
the
thought
has
been
given
to
to
the
embodied
carbon.
B
B
A
M
We
haven't
got
to
that
to
that
point
yet
in
terms
of
the
service
charges
and
management
company,
but
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
you
that
the
service
level
for
this
site
will
be
that
high.
M
It's
not
it's,
not
an
area
where
they
tend
to
be
quite
high,
is
where
you've
got
significant
sort
of
greenfield
sites
with
significant
areas
of
open
space,
landscape
maintenance,
not
saying
it's
small,
but
we've
got
a
condensed
area
of
open
space,
a
pocket
of
open
space.
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
think
the
management
company
service
charges
will
be
particularly
high
on
this
on
this
particular
site
in
relation
to
how
that's
managed
and
how
that's
operated
the
way
we
the
way
beltway
does.
M
The
collective
residents
who
who
then
take
on
the
role
and
responsibility
of
of
the
management
company
and
if
the
management
company
that
bellway
have
appointed
isn't
performing,
then
the
management
company
appointed
by
future
residents
will
have.
They
will
have
the
ability
to
change
it's
a
sort
of
a
market-led
system
in
a
way,
then
they
would
be
able
to
go
to
alternative
how
alternative
providers?
How
that's
set
up
is
really
then
dependent
upon
upon
them
to
run
and
manage
and
function.
It.
A
B
The
reason
I
ask
in
particular,
we've
had
some
trouble
in
wording
on
another
site
with
the
pumping
suds
drainage
system,
and
my
heart
sank
a
little
bit
when
I
saw
the
pump-
and
I
know
our
engineer
feels
similarly.
That
is
why
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
the
level
of
service
charges.
The
pumps
go
wrong
quite
frequently.
They
seem
to
have
very
short
lives
in
my
domestic
experience
very
short
life,
and
we
have
also
had
a
situation
on
another
site
where
the
affordable
housing
was
dropped
because
the
service
charges
money
was
put
elsewhere.
B
That's
but
the
actual
units
had
to
be
sold
on
the
market
because
that
no
forgot
the
word
social
housing
provider
would
take
them
on
because
of
the
high
level
of
service
charges.
A
I
think
can
can
we
but
string
that
string
a
little
bit
outside
the,
but
if
you,
if
you
wish
to
answer
any
part
of
that,
you
know
you're
free.
If
you
don't
wish
to
answer
those
you're
welcome
not
to.
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
understand
that
I
understand
from
mr
appleton
that
we
there
is
a
concern
or
an
ongoing
problem
with
a
with
a
with
a
pump
surface
water
drainage.
I
think,
in
terms
of
how
we
deal
with
this,
then
there
will
be
a
service
charge
that
we'll
need
to
do
need
to
deal
with
it.
M
We
will
in
essence,
a
seek
to
try
and
get
it
adopted
by
the
by
southern
water.
If
we
can,
then
then,
and
if
that's
a
viable
solution,
then
that's
probably
the
best
solution.
I
think
for
the
for
everybody,
but
if
we
can't
then
it'll
have
to
go
into
into
the
management
company,
and
I
think
in
terms
of
how
we
then
how
we
then
manage
it.
Then
I
would
hope
that
technology
is
moving
on.
M
I
don't
know
how
old
the
pump
pump
station
is
in
question,
but
I
don't
I
can
think
of
three
or
four
sites
that
we've
developed
recently
and
we
don't
have
any
problems
with
with
pumping.
So
hopefully
it's
just
a
one-off
and
worthy
of
being
unlucky.
B
C
I
have
a
few
specific
questions
and
one
or
two
general
ones
talking
about
picking
up
on
the
pump
straight
away
and
acknowledging
that
there
may
be
a
need
to
pump
water
from
the
far
northeast
corner
of
the
site
and
also
thinking
about
the
best
form
of
use
of
rainwater,
which
is
to
reuse
it.
C
Why,
or
have
you
considered
perhaps
possibility
of
reuse
of
rainwater
by
means
of
pumping
the
water
up
to
holding
tanks
in
the
flats
for
use
for
toilets
and
things
like
that?
But
why
haven't
you
considered
that
or
have
you
considered
that.
M
One
point
that
has
been
made
in
relation
to
greenfield
runoff
rates
by
I
think
it's
councillor
white,
was
that
in
relation
to
the
the
site
is
a
brownfield
site
and
a
key
aspect
of
developing
the
site
is
that
we
can
put
improved
drainage
in
and
we
can
do
it
better
than
the
existing
site
and
there's
a
50
betterment
over
the
existing
rate
in
terms
of
surface
water
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
flooding
and
then
86
betterment
over
a
larger
over
larger
storm
events.
M
What
we,
what
we're
saying
in
relation
to
in
relation
to
a
greenfield
runoff
rate,
is
that
we
will
we'll
never
achieve
that,
because
it's
not
a
green
field,
essentially
side.
I
apologize.
I
don't
think
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
answer
your.
M
Yeah
I
mean
go
back
to
your
earlier
question
in
relation
to
biodiversity.
We
are
putting
in
bird
boxes
and
we
are
putting
in
sweat,
swift
boxes.
Good
colleagues
been
trying
to
calculate
how
many
I
don't
know
if.
M
C
C
Well,
obviously,
in
terms
of
the
occupancy
of
that
property,
it
strikes
me
that
having
a
reversing
bay
right
up
against
the
back
of
the
property
isn't
a
particularly
good
idea.
For
one
thing,
it
also
doesn't
appear
to
have
its
own
garden,
but
I
don't
know
whether
that's
me
not
reading
that
picture
properly
or
what?
What
is
that
property?
It's
labeled
bo
on
the
on
page.
C
A
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I'm
not
sure.
I
I
see
the
question.
I
think
we're
probably
straying
out
of
areas
that
we
can
really
expect
to
deal
with
at
this
stage
of
this
application.
You,
mr
appleton,
says
you
can
comment
well.
C
E
E
M
I
could
possibly
help
there
here
that
at
the
moment
the
end
of
barrington
road
doesn't
have
a
turning
head.
This
is
a,
I
think,
an
identified
problem
in
terms
of
large
vehicles
that
can't
then
turn
at
the
end
of
the
road
in
terms
of
the
layout
you,
if,
if
sirens,
might
be
able
to
zoom
in,
might
not
be
able
to
there's
a
there's
a
there
are
some
barriers
at
the
end
there,
so
you
can't
go.
M
You
can't
drive
from
barrington
road
into
the
site,
so
the
park,
what
appears
to
be
a
parking
bay
and
that
turning
head
is
purely
for
the
benefit
of
the
residents
of
barrington
barrington
road
there.
The
parking
for
plot,
I
think,
just
calling
it
54,
is
to
the
rear.
Thank
you,
mr
appleton.
There
at
that
point
there.
M
M
C
A
Think
I
think
we
get
we.
We
are
straying
outside
things
if
it's
directly
related
to
the
application
and
the
dealing
with
the
reserved
matters,
I
think
we'll
we
can
deal
with
that,
but
otherwise
I
think
that
comes
outside
what
we
can
deal
with
or
what
we
can
expect
the
applicants
to
deal
with
here
in
questions.
A
C
A
It's
it's
not
a
matter
of
that
we
are
dealing
with
in
this
particular
application
at
this
stage,
any
other
any
other
comp
questions.
Yes,
that's
right.
White.
H
Thank
chair,
mr
goodman.
Thank
you
for
coming
in.
It's
not
easy
sitting
in
front
of
us
like
firing
random
questions
at
you
all
the
time.
We
appreciate
that.
We
also
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
amount
of
work
in
this
proposal
in
this
development
is
is
enormous
and
we've
looked
at
the
plan
and
you've
listened
to
many
of
our
points
and
we're
not
overall
dissatisfied
with
what
we
see.
So
the
problem
is
details
matter,
and
we
only
get
to
find
those
out
when
we
sit
here
in
this
room
now
and
and
ask.
H
Okay,
so
on
page
nine
of
the
original
public
documents
I've
got
here,
our
building
control
officer
commented
on
insulation.
However,
some
insulation,
new
values,
are
below
the
proposed
targets.
H
M
G
N
I'm
just
looking
at
the
table.
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
see
which
ones
he
might
be
referring
to
within
part.
L
which
looks
at
the
thermal
aspects
of
the
building
building
regulations
creates,
what's
called
a
notional
a
notional
building
and,
and
it
assigns
potential
you
values
to
those
elements
in
order
to
meet
building
rigs.
You
do
not
have
to
hit
or
better
each
individual
element,
so
you
can
be
slightly
higher
on
a
ground
that
you
value
if
you
improve
the
the
walls
or
you,
and
so
so
that's
what
we
do.
N
It's
a
holistic
approach
to
to
looking
at
the
thermal
performance
of
the
building,
I
am
going
through
the
table
and
the
baseline
spec,
I'm
looking
at
the
ground
floor.
We're
lower
we're
at
0.1
exposed
floors
is
a
very
small
amount
of
those
and
we're
slightly
higher
on
there,
external
walls,
okay,
yeah.
I
can
see
that
we
are
low
but
again
we're
looking
at
holistic
approach.
N
We
are,
we
are,
you
know
we
are
better
on
the
floors,
we're
better
in
the
roofs
and
and
we've
looked
at
the
glazing
and
we've
we've
kind
of
improved
the
specification
there.
Okay.
So
it's
not,
you
know
it's
not
something
that
is
not
it's
considered
and
we've
improved
other
areas
to
compensate
for.
For
that.
A
A
E
It
just
if
it's
helpful
for
members,
so
we
have
been
provided
evidence
of
the
deal.
That's
been
agreed
between
beltway
homes
and
the
care
home
operator
and
we're
actually
just
started
the
pre-application
process.
So
I
think
it
will
be
coming
along
quite
quickly
and
hopefully
a
a
planning
committee
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
I
was
just
going
to
comment
about
the
discussion
on
sustainability
and,
of
course,
the
government's
view
is
that
sustainability
measures
will
be
through
building
regulations,
not
planning.
E
So
all
these
points
about
demonstrating
compliance
with
new
part
l
would
be
covered,
but
under
the
building
regulations,
and
they
would
have
to
verify
that
they're
meeting
this
holistic
approach
approach,
where
you
might
not
be
hitting
the
target
in
one
area
but
you're
exceeding
it
in
another
area
and
just
in
terms
of
biodiversity
measures.
We
we
picked
up
on
that
in
terms
of
the
the
list
of
measures
in
covered
in
the
ecology
report
would
be
delivered
and
could
be
covered
by
planning
condition.
I
think
they
were
the
main
things.
E
I've
picked
up
on
one
thing
about
the
management
company
that
we
will
need
to,
because,
obviously,
at
the
outline
stage,
it
wasn't
identified
that
there
would
have
to
be
a
pumping
solution
to
a
small
part
of
the
site
that
we
would
be
requiring
details
of
the
management
company
and
the
ability
to
deal
with
things
like
replacement
costs
and
to
ensure
appropriate
maintenance
of
the
pump
to
avoid
potential
problems.
With
that.
E
I
think
the
the
affordable
block
lies
outside
of
the
area
where
the
pumping
station
would
be
for
that
top
corner
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
perhaps
put
a
an
informative
that
encourages
management
costs
to
perhaps
not
fall
to
the
affordable
block
of
flats
for
the
the
the
pumping
station.
If
it's
not
or
the
pump
that's
not
affecting
that
part
of
the
development.
E
So
we
could
cover
some
of
those
things
and
the
only
last
thing
to
say
is-
and
I
think
I
could
see
this
in
the
way
that
the
question
was
being
asked
about.
The
larger
houses
is
that
all
flats
are
to
be
covered
by
air
source
heat
pumps.
So
the
smaller
apartments
will
be
the
benefit
of
the
air
source
heat
pumps.
Just
to
I
could
see
the
line
of
questioning
so
so
the
flats
will
all
be
the
energy
strategies
for
air
source
heat
pumps.
I
think
I'm
correct
on
that.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
additional
comments
right.
We
move
into
debate
then,
on
this
application.
Anybody
wish
to
say
anything
in
debate
that
they
haven't
already
said
in
questions.
B
B
Therefore,
too
much
hard
surface
in
the
development
which
is
very
dense.
It's
in
a
high
high
sustainable
position-
and
I
know
it's
not
town
center,
but
you
know
in
a
town
centre
development
which
has
such
good
transport
a
much
longer
walk
to
the
station.
I'm
thinking
of
the
gas,
the
gas
holder
site,
we
didn't
have
any
car
parking
spaces
and
it's
very
generous.
The
car
parking
space.
According
to
the
report,
the
houses
have
got
over
gents
the
larger
houses.
B
B
B
We
all
know
trees
do
fantastic,
good
air
quality,
they
are
wonderful,
sound
barrier,
they
are
absorb
absorb
a
lot
of
rainfall
within
as
the
climate
crisis
increases
and
we
get
more
rainfall.
B
So
I
would
like
a
condition
to
then
to
protect
all
the
trees
on
the
site,
existing
trees
and
the
hedgerows,
to
the
extent
that
they
may
be
managed,
but
they
should
not
be
removed
and
there
aren't
any
tpos
on
them.
So
I'm
very
concerned
that
they
may
be
to
ease
construction
we've
seen
it
on
other
sites,
it's
very
tempting
to
remove
trees
on
the
basis
that
you
may
replant,
but
these
are
mature
trees.
It
takes
decades
to
produce
trees
of
this
maturity.
E
Just
so
that
I
don't
miss
some
of
the
points
that
have
just
been
made
by
councillor
silva
yeah,
car
parking
provision
is
is
a
is
an
interesting
one
and
it
was
discussed
at
the
outline
stage
and
part
of
the
problem
we
have
in
this
area.
Is
that
the
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
coming
forward
from
local
residents
during
the
consultation
on
the
outline
application
about
on-street
parking
problems
in
the
area,
and
it's
always
that
sort
of
dilemma
about
reducing
the
level
of
spaces
to
encourage
more
sustainable
modes.
E
Certainly
the
emphasis
on
walking
and
cycling
and
the
permeability
of
the
site,
something
that
the
applicants
were
very
keen
to
explore
with
us
and
hence
the
changes
to
the
layout
and
and
partly
we're
a
victim
of
the
county
council,
not
accepting
a
garage
as
being
a
full
space.
So
it's
only
half
a
space,
so
you
end
up
with
ultimately
more
spaces,
but
it's
actually
only
because
the
garage
only
counts
as
half
a
space
in
terms
of
working
out
the
parking
numbers.
E
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
members
know
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
concern
at
the
outline
stage
about
on-street
parking
in
the
the
locality,
and
we
felt
the
applicants
have
probably
got
it
about
right,
but
there's
obviously
ability
through
things
like
car
clubs
and
ways
to
encourage
and
just
the
sheer
proximity
to
the
site.
We
would
hope
that
that
will
really
promote
a
sort
of
more
sustainable
mode
of
transport
that
was
on
car
parking.
E
Yes,
there
would
be
a
requirement
on
any
tree
planting
that
it
be
replaced
if
it
dies
within
five
years
of
the
development.
That's
our
standard
landscaping,
condition
on
the
outline,
and
I
think
we're
very
keen
to,
although
they're
not
within
the
site,
we're
very
keen
to
preserve
the
the
line
of
home
oak
trees
that
are
along
the
western
boundary
and
that
will
be
subject.
E
We
will
proceed
to
preserve
those
trees
less
so
perhaps,
although
they
are
to
be
retained,
some
of
the
conifers
on
the
northern
boundary
that
the
section
with
the
care
home-
that's
something
we'll
be
discussing
with
the
care
home
operator
when
they
come
forward
for
their
their
part
of
the
northern
boundary.
D
A
A
So
that
is
a
in
effect,
an
amendment
to
the
officer's
recommendation.
E
And
chairman,
can
I
perhaps
just
agree-
and
it
was
going
to
be
a
slight
amendment-
to
the
recommendation
anyway
to
make
sure
that
all
the
matters
that
we've
covered
tonight
are
covered
by
those
outlying
conditions.
If
they're
not,
we
can
add
to
those.
E
There
is
a
requirement
to
agree
pre-commencement
with
the
applicant
in
any
event,
and
we
can
deal
with
that.
So
I'm
quite
happy
to
we
have
added
at
the
end
of
the
report
or
any
other
conditions
recommended
by
consultees,
so
we
will
need
to
make
sure
that
they
are
all
covered.
I
was
just
checking
and
there's
a
a
number
of
informatives.
E
For
instance,
fire
hydrants
are
covered
by
the
outline
in
a
informative,
so
a
number
of
these
matters
are
probably
covered
anyway,
but
we
will
just
go
through
those
with
the
applicant
and
make
sure
we
have
got
everything
covered.
That's
been
discussed
tonight.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we
have
a
proposal
on
the
table,
which
is
the
one
councillor
silman
outlined,
which
is
I'll,
try
and
try,
and
paraphrase
it
to
delegate
decision
to
approve
reserve
matters
to
the
head
of
planning
and
development
subject
to
satisfactory
comments
on
environmental
health
in
relation
to
amended
noise
strategy,
technical
services
and
subject
to
all
outlying
conditions
and
subjects
to
the
approval
through
discussion
with
the
chair
of
planning.
I
think
it's
a
clumsy
way
of
saying
it,
but
I
think
we
can
get
to
a
wording
which
inc
incorporate
incorporates
that.
A
That's
unanimous.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
an
interesting
debate.
I
think
it's
it's
it's
worth
just
saying
that,
because
obviously
this
the
initial
application
outline
application
happened
some
time
ago,
it's
a
new
committee.
Now
it's
an
effect
in
a
different
development,
and
I
think
it
was
worthwhile
exploring
those
issues
fully
and
I
I
hope
you
appreciate
the
fact
we
have
looked
at
the
planning
application
very
in
a
very
detailed
way,
and
I
thank
you
for
making
your
presentations
here
tonight,
all
those
who
who
came
along.
A
A
And
it
is,
as
you
see,
on
the
screen,
there
unit
3
meadow
road
depot
change
of
use
from
b2
to
b8
from
sorry
change
of
use
from
b2
stroke,
b8
to
class
e.
E
The
unit
next
to
the
greenhouse
in
meadow
road
here,
which
has
been
in
operation
for
some
years
now,
as
set
out
in
the
report
which
effectively
provides
guild
care
space
for
larger
bulkier
furniture
and
other
items
donated
to
the
charity
and
has
and
was
originally
approved,
with
a
small
workshop
at
the
rear
to
carry
out
any
essential
repairs
to
donated
items
of
furniture
and
a
lot
of
goods
left
and
then
distributed
to
guild,
cares
various
shops
in
the
town
and
surrounding
area.
E
E
That's
the
greenhouse
which
operates,
I
have
to
say
a
larger
retail
area
than
perhaps
originally
envisaged,
with
the
planning
permission
that
was
granted
but
has
a
large
number
of,
as
I
say,
bulky,
furniture,
goods
and
storage
within
the
the
building.
E
The
the
main
issue
really
is
the
the
the
change
of
use
of
this
unit,
which
ordinarily,
would
be
a
a
contrary
to
policy,
in
that
the
current
adopted
plan
and
emerging
local
plan,
the
importance
of
maintaining
retaining
existing
employment
uses
and
they're
the
more
traditional
b
use
classes
because
of
the
risk
of
offices
going
to
residential
and
with
the
relaxation
of
the
use
classes
order
without
certain
conditions,
a
number
of
our
existing
industrial
units
could
be
converted
to
other
uses
and
in
those
circumstances
the
emerging
local
plan
stresses
the
importance
of
retaining
where
we
can
existing
employment
units.
E
Having
said
that,
greenhouse
have
been
in
unit
two
for
for
some
years,
they're
a
very
important
local
charity
and,
importantly,
the
council's
head
of
major
projects
and
property,
as
indicated
as
set
out
in
the
report
that
this
is
really
a
a
temporary
use
of
this
building.
There
are
plans
to
look
at
the
wider
industrial
estate
at
meadow
road
here
about
any
potential
redevelopment
opportunities.
E
This
used
to
be
the
home
for
the
council's
refuse
carts
before
they
moved
off
to
lansing
industrial
estate
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
it's
quite
a
large
site
with
the
two
principal
units,
two
and
three
being
the
main
buildings
that
are
on
the
site,
but
there's
obviously
scope
for
potential
redevelopment.
E
Now
the
council
has
looked
at
potentially
a
review
of
its
depots
and
that's
across
the
board,
including
parks
and
the
meadow
road
and
lansing
sites,
but
that
work
hasn't
been
progressed
as
yet
and
is
an
ongoing
piece
of
work
for
the
council.
E
Therefore,
really
the
issue
is
whether
there
would
be
any
short-term
occupation
of
the
industrial
unit
pending
this
redevelopment
and
the
lack
of
certainty
for
any
new
business
moving
into
this
particular
unit.
If
it
was
only
going
to
be
getting
a
relatively
short
lease
with
a
redevelopment
clause,
that
might
mean
that
they
would
have
to
be
relocated.
E
Indeed,
guild
care
because
of
the
concerns
about
security
of
tenure
have
looked
at
other
units
in
the
town
and
have
also
got
an
application
to
be
considered
on
its
merits
in
due
course,
but
at
woods
way
in
goring,
which
they've
also
used
for
the
storage
and
retail
of
goods
and
again
is
a
a
policy
matter
to
be
considered
at
a
future
committee.
E
As
far
as
this
particular
case
is
concerned,
your
officers
have
weighed
up
the
policy
concern
with
the
length
of
lease
the
comments
from
ahead
of
major
projects
and
have
taken
the
view
that
a
a
temporary
permission
would
be
appropriate
in
the
circumstance.
It
would
certainly
bide
some
time
for
the
council
to
realize
what
it's
going
to
do
with
this
site,
whether
it
should
continue
employment
use
or
or
whether
it
should
be
redeveloped.
E
The
recommendation
is
for
a
temporary
three-year
permission,
but
on
reading
the
report,
I
have
had
a
email
from
the
agent
asking
for
a
five-year
temporary
planning
permission,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
he
states
that
his
his
he's
currently
his
clients
negotiating
a
four-year
lease
with
the
council
and
by
giving
a
five-year
lease.
It
would
enable
that
lease
to
be
negotiations
to
conclude
and
so
to
then
be
able
to
continue
to
for
the
full
four
years
of
the
lease
that's
currently
being
negotiated.
E
E
Central
government
advice
generally
encourages
temporary
or
trial
permissions,
not
to
be
more
than
three
years,
and
therefore
your
officers
feel
that
three
years
is
about
right.
Clearly,
the
lease
is
a
separate
matter
and
there's
no
reason
why
the
applicants
couldn't
reapply
at
the
end
of
the
three-year
period.
If
the
council
has
given
them
some
more
certainty
about
a
longer
lease
on
the
site
or
whether
the
site
is
going
to
be
redeveloped
or
not,
so
your
officers
would
like
to
stick
with
the
recommendation
of
a
three-year
temporary
permission.
A
G
G
G
Just
to
conclude,
as
well
as
providing
valuable
space
for
the
expansion
of
the
greenhouse's
operation,
this
application
provides
valuable
support
across
the
community.
It
also
puts
into
use
a
space
that
might
otherwise
remain
empty
until
plans
for
the
site
are
finalized
and
put
into
action.
Thank
you.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
just
to
say,
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
site.
I'm
probably
there
every
four
to
six
weeks,
I'd,
say
85
to
90
of
the
furniture
in
my
home
comes
from
places
such
as
this.
I
find
them
an
invaluable
source
of
resources
in
the
report.
Council
priorities
are
stated
as
protect
frontline
services.
H
H
H
This
is
new
information
to
me
that
they
wanted
that
you
want
the
lease
for
five
years
rather
than
three,
I'm
afraid.
I'm
inclined
personally
to
stick
with
the
three
mr
appleton
explained
that
that
wouldn't
prevent
further
lease
extension
being
sought
in
the
future.
Those
are
my
comments
on
the
map.
Thank
you,
council
cochran.
I
A
Counselor
council
warlow.
O
I
think
I'm
aligned
to
agree
that
a
slightly
longer
extension
of
planned
permission
would
be,
I
I
think
would
be
I
think
it
would.
It
would
do
their
sense
of
security
good.
It's
a
really
good
place
for
people
to
go.
There's
lots
of
amazing
things
that
people
can
purchase,
and
I
think
three
years,
even
with
the
potential
to
reapply,
I
think,
giving
them
a
bit
more.
We
give
them
a
level
of
security
moving
forward
in
their
planning
for
what
they're
going.
So
I
would
suggest
either
five
or
in
the
middle
of
that
four.
P
D
A
Okay.
Okay,
I
understand
I
I'm
taking
advice
that
we're
straying
into
areas
that
aren't
aren't
strictly
planning
matters,
so
I
think
I
think
the
point
has
been
made
by
the
by
councillors
as
to
where
they
feel
and
they're.
So
I'm
sorry
I'm
going
to
have
to
say
I
I
I
thought
you.
I
would
be
able
to
bring
you
into
the
conversation,
but
I
I
can't
do
that.
Okay,
sorry,
no
worries
cancer,
sulman.
B
B
So
you
know
they
are
an
amazing
organization
in
in
every
way,
the
way
they
raise
their
money
and
what
they
do
with
the
money
they
raise,
and
I
think
we
should
support
them,
and
although
it
is
a
change
of
use
temporary,
I
think
that
they
do
employ
people
and
do
a
tremendous
amount
of
good
in
in
both
in
helping
people
to
become
volunteers
and
also
in
employing
and
training
people.
It's
invaluable.
C
Yes,
I
agree
entirely
that
they
do
some
tremendous
work
in
the
town.
In
fact,
I
visited
the
woods
way
depot
myself
only
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
whilst
I'm
sympathetic
to
extending
it
from
a
period
of
three
years
to
four,
I
do
have
a
concern
that
by
doing
so,
we
are
preventing
a
review
or
delaying
a
review
of
the
entire
site,
which
may
bring
better
benefits
still
to
the
town.
C
Then
you
know
the
the
obviously
amazing
work
that
guild
care
too,
but
we
might
be
depriving
the
town
of
over
years
worth
of
redevelopment
and
bringing
better
better
opportunities
to
the
town.
Of
course,.
A
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
bring
strapleton
and
comments
on
this
matter.
E
Yes,
I
mean
I,
I
just
the
the
reason
why
I
think
I'm
sorry
for
just
stopping
it
short
there,
but
planning
and
lease
are
obviously
completely
different
elements
here.
E
The
only
link
really
to
the
fact
that
there's
no
security
of
tanya
is
why
we've
got
a
situation
where
we
envisage
or
the
owners
of
the
building
envisaged,
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
attract
another
business
and
therefore,
because
guild
care
are
next
door,
it
would
make
sense
to
to
give
a
lease
to
them,
while
the
landowner
decides
what
to
do
with
the
site.
E
From
a
planning
point
of
view,
I
think
it's,
whether
it's
three
or
four,
I
think
the
important
thing
is.
The
message
goes
back
to
the
council
that
we're
keen-
and
certainly
I've
put
that
message
back-
that
we're
keen
for
an
early
review
of
the
site
so
that
we
do
next
time
around
can
give
some
certainty
to
whoever
the
tenant
is
at
the
time,
and
if
it
is
still
guild
care-
and
we
want
them
to
stay
there-
then
they
can
have.
E
E
It's
just
that
uncertainty
about
the
the
future
and
whether
there's
a
redevelopment
of
the
site
or
not,
but-
and
perhaps
the
the
compromise
is
four
years,
but
I
think
it
just
the
the
reason
why
government
recommends
a
a
relatively
short
period
is
because
it
that
there's
general
discouragement
about
temporary
permissions,
and
it's
only
if
there's
a
sort
of
trial
period
or
is
something
going
to
happen
within
that
within
that
temporary
period.
That
might
provides
provide
some
certainty
for
the
future.
I
Yeah,
are
we
in
the
realms
of
pink
papers?
Is
the
council
the
landowner
of
this
particular
property,
and
it's
not
so
we
it's
not
a
pink
paper
issue
and
okay,
just
just
a
rhetorical
question
to
ask:
okay.
H
Thank
you
chair.
Don't
often
stick
my
neck
out
just
to
reiterate
what
I
stated
initially
personally,
I
think
three
years
is
the
recommended
route.
I'm
going
to
stick
with
that,
and
I
don't
know
whether
there'll
be
any
debate
on
that
or
not.
I
hope
there
won't
be.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
second
counselor
novak.
Okay,
we
moved
to
debate
on
that
particular
proposal.
Anybody
wish
to
make
any
comments
on
that
proposal.
Okay,
we
moved
to
a
vote
then,
on
that
proposal.
Those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation,
as
stated
in
the
papers
office's
recommendation.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
that
I
think
concludes
the
business
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.