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A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
welcome
to
this
ada
planning
committee
meeting
on
the
2nd
of
march
before
we
do
anything
this
evening,
it's
it's
been
discussed
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
members
and
members
of
the
public.
If
you'd
like
to
stand
with
me
and
just
for
a
moment
of
silent
contemplation,
we're
here
tonight
to
look
at
a
very
obviously
detailed
application,
but
there's
some
very
serious
things
going
on
in
the
world.
So
if
you
would
care
to
join
me
just
for
a
moment,
silas
I'd
be
grateful.
Thank
you.
A
So
welcome
members
of
committee
and
members
of
the
public
who
have
come
this
evening.
Please
note
that
this
meeting
is
being
filmed
and
there
will
be
a
link
to
the
recording
of
the
meeting
which
will
be
available
on
the
council's
website.
A
A
The
council
has
advertised
all
the
planning
applications
to
be
considered
this
evening,
and
some
people
have
applied
to
the
council
to
speak
either
in
support
or
to
object
to
a
planning
application.
Objectors
and
supporters
have
three
minutes
each
to
speak.
District
councillors
and
parish
councils
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
If
you
have
registered
to
speak,
I
will
call
you
at
the
right
time.
A
I
appreciate
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
here
this
evening
and
we
welcome
that
in
terms
of
local
democracy
and
decision
making,
but
I
have
to
remind
members
of
the
public
that
unless
you
are
registered
to
speak,
you
are
present
as
observers.
Only
it
would
be
appreciated
if
you
could
try
to
refrain
from
cheering
commentating
applauding
or
disrupting
the
meeting
in
any
way.
A
If
we
have
speakers
that
are
interrupted,
it
prolongs
the
meeting,
and
I
have
to
advise
you
that
if
I
feel
that
way
or
that
the
committee
is
being
pressurized
anywhere,
I
do
have
the
right
to
adjourn
this
meeting
and
will
do
so.
If
anyone
has
ever
come
to
a
meeting
that
I
have
chaired.
Hopefully
I
am
fair,
but
I
am
also
quite
firm
and
people
will
be
heard,
and
members
of
the
committee
will
be
heard
also
I'll
just
hand
over
to
the
legal
officer
now
to
read
out
the
health
and
safety
notice.
Thank
you.
A
Who
am
I
I
am
the
chairman
of
aida
planning
committee
this
evening?
My
name
is
steven
chip,
I'm
also
the
chairman
of
aida
council
this
municipal
year.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
If
you
could,
please
familiarize
yourselves
with
the
fire
exits
from
this
room,
there's
one
in
the
far
corner
here
and
obviously
the
double
doors
at
the
front
and
that
there
are
marked
refuge
points.
I
think,
because
we're
in
the
ground
floor,
it's
it's
it's
there.
B
We
go
the
the
the
green,
the
green
signs
and
if
there's
no
fire
alarm
planned
during
this
meeting,
so
if
the
fire
alarm
alarm
does
sound,
please
leave
via
the
fire
access,
there's,
obviously
quite
a
lot
of
people
here
tonight,
so
obviously
as
orderly
as
we
possibly
can
and
the
assembly
point,
which
is
at
the
far
side
of
the
car
park
by
the
flint
wall,
and
there
will
be,
should
you
become
aware
of
a
fire
situation
in
the
building,
the
the
call
points
to
sound
the
alarm
and
next
to
the
fire
exits,
there's
no
return
into
the
building
unless
until
advised
it's
safe
to
do
so.
A
C
D
A
No
okay.
We
move
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
public
question
time
and
we
have
had
a
pre-submitted
question
which
needed
to
be
submitted
by
midday
on
monday,
the
28th
of
february.
The
question
is:
please:
could
ada
council
hide
representatives
confirm
whether
any
developments
within
the
last
five
years
in
ade
district,
involving
the
planting
of
replacement,
trees
and
landscaping
have
been
fulfilled
as
per
the
conditions
of
the
approved
planning
applications
and
james
you're?
Happy
to
answer
that.
E
Yes,
I
wasn't
entirely
sure
whether
it
related
specifically
to
hide
developments,
but
I
can
say
that,
as
far
as
our
enforcement
team
are
concerned,
they're
only
aware
currently
of
the
enforcement
action
being
taken
at
mariners
point
to
the
sort
of
just
to
the
west
of
the
site,
where
a
bridge
condition
notice
has
been
served
in
relation
to
non-compliance
with
the
landscaping
condition.
E
A
Thank
you
james.
That
was
the
only
pre-submitted
question,
so
we
move
on
to
confirmation
of
minutes.
Are
the
committee
happy
for
me
to
sign
the
meetings
minutes
of
the
7th
of
february
2022
as
a
correct
record
2022?
I
should
say,
as
a
correct
record
agreed.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much
which
moves
us
onto
item
number
five,
which
is
item
raised
under
urgency
provisions,
and
there
are
none
this
evening,
and
that
brings
us
on
to
the
planning
applications,
application
number
one
awdm
145021
and
I'm
handing
over
to
mr
appleton,
mr
appleton.
E
Thank
you
chairman,
I'm
the
the
head
of
planning
for
adam
worthing
councils
and
I'll
be
running
through
the
presentation.
The
case
officer
for
this
proposal
is
beside
me,
and
so
it
will
be
a
bit
of
a
double
act
with
myself
and
mr
cantwell
to
my
side
here.
It
is
a
very
long
report
in
front
of
you
tonight,
members
over
100
pages.
E
I
will
also
try
and
deal
with
a
number
of
additional
matters
that
have
come
up
that
are
referred
to
in
the
committee
report.
E
The
aerial
photograph
will
start
off
with,
and
actually
this
aerial
photograph
picks
out
a
number
of
things.
It
shows
the
footprint
of
the
former
civic
center
building.
It
also
shows
the
the
large.
E
That's
a
good
start.
I
was
looking
at
a
screen
that
you
couldn't
see,
so
that's
apologies
for
that.
So
the
the
image
behind
me
shows
the
the
footprint
of
the
former
civic
center
building
and
notably
because
it's
a
an
issue
of
considerable
local
concern
is
the
the
large
populatory
in
the
the
corner
of
the
site.
Next
to
the
the
duke
of
wellington,
public
house,
the
tree
has
been
the
subject
of
a
number
of
letters
of
concern
and
members
will
have
picked
up
in
the
addendum.
E
The
petition.
That's
now
been
submitted,
1300
signatures
from
bm,
postcodes
and
regulars
of
the
duke
of
wellington
and
overall
over
2500,
and
that's
particularly
about
protecting
the
popular
tree
that
you'll
see
in
a
moment
as
I
go
down,
these
slides
you'll
see
the
presence
of
the
tree
you'll
see
from
the
report
that
the
council's
landscape
officer
has
noted
the
condition
of
the
tree
and
its
prominence
there
and
has
indicated
that
a
tree
preservation
order
would
be
justified
in
amenity
terms.
E
The
council
hasn't
pursued
a
tree
preservation
order
because
we
have
a
live
planning
application
and
clearly
one
of
the
key
considerations
for
members
tonight
is
the
the
loss
of
the
tree
as
part
of
this
development
and
I'll
come
on
to
that
and
refer
to
it
in
due
course.
In
terms
of
the
representations,
we've
had
a
further
15
representations
and
also
comments
from
area
which
are
summarized
in
the
addendum
report.
E
So
again,
looking
across
from
brighton
road
towards
shoreham
town
centre,
another
view
of
the
the
large
poplar
tree
in
the
corner
of
the
site
and
then
a
further
view
across
ham
recreation
ground.
E
You
can
just
see
the
focus
building
to
the
north,
the
other
side
of
ham,
road
and
then
looking
along
ham,
road
with
focus
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
looking
at
the
frontage
of
the
site,
you'll
see
that
mercury
house,
the
block
of
flats,
is
also
shown
in
this
photograph,
and
the
report
does
indicate
that,
although
the
development
has
reduced
the
scale
adjacent
to
mercury
house,
there
is
some
loss
of
light
to
windows.
In
that
side.
E
Elevation
of
mercury
house,
which,
as
you
can
see,
has
a
number
of
windows
quite
close
to
its
boundary,
with
the
application
site,
there's
just
a
close-up
and
then
looking
towards
brighton
in
a
easterly
direction
across
the
road,
the
site,
frontage,
the
ham,
road
frontage
and
then
one
of
the
iconic
views,
I
suppose
across
to
saint
mary's
and-
and
that
does
raise
one
of
the
other
issues
about
the
height
of
the
development
and
its
relationship
and
impact
on
the
setting
of
mary's
grade.
E
So
in
terms
of
the
layout
of
the
site,
this
is
a
plan
indicating
the
roof
plan,
the
solar
panels.
The
applicants
have
submitted
a
revised
energy
statement,
well,
a
statement
setting
out
what
their
approach
is
and
there
will
be
a
requirement
to
add
an
additional
condition
to
require
their
submitted
energy
statement
to
be
updated
effectively.
E
The
applicants
are
saying
that
they
will
meet
more
stringent
building
regulations
that
are
enforced
later
in
the
year
and
will
provide
the
31
improvement
in
carbon
reduction
and
also
efficiency
and
meet
the
council's
requirements
in
terms
of
renewable
energy
through
the
solar
array.
That's
proposed
there,
but
because
it's
not
likely
now,
the
district
heat
network
will
come
forward.
They
are
suggesting
individual
electric
boilers
rather
than
the
original
strategy,
which
was
for
a
gas-fired
communal
system
with
potential
to
connect
to
a
district
heat
network.
E
There
is
some
concern
about
the
amount
of
commercial
floor
space
that
is
currently
vacant
and
members
will
be
aware
that
mariners
points
commercial
floor.
Space
has
been
empty
for
some
time.
There
is
a
an
issue
with
residential
on
the
ground
floor
here
in
relation
to
flooding,
and
the
latest
plan
submitted
by
the
applicants
has
reduced
the
amount
of
commercial
floor
space
and
certainly
the
the
area
there
was
to
be
commercial
floor
space.
That's
now
taken
out.
E
Four
additional
car
parking
spaces
have
been
proposed
and
over
160
square
meters
of
commercial
floor
space
removed
from
the
scheme
that
the
amendments
do
result
in
an
improvement
slightly
in
terms
of
the
overall
level
of
parking
for
the
development
now
60
spaces
in
total,
four
more
than
before,
with
the
la
the
the
loss
of
commercial
floor
space,
the
parking
ratio
now
is
one
parking
space,
sorry
1.37
of
a
parking
space
per
flat
and
I'll
come
back
to
that
in
due
course.
E
And
in
in
terms
of
the
measures
that
the
applicants
have
submitted
to
justify
that
low
car
parking
provision,
we
have
worked
with
the
applicants
and
the
county
council
looking
at
a
range
of
measures
to
provide
alternatives
to
private
car
car
club
travel
plan
vouchers.
Free
membership
for
two
years
of
the
car
club.
A
Sorry,
sorry,
james,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
genuinely
I'm
not
going
to
tolerate
that.
If
I
have
to
clear
the
meeting
at
this
early
stage,
I
will
do
the
officer
will
be
heard
each
supporter
each
objector
will
will
be
heard
and
if
we
have
to
have
mutterings
and
champions
every
time,
someone
says
something
you
disagree
with.
It
would
be
too
long
a
night
for
any
of
us.
So
please
let
me
make
that
absolutely
clear
people
will
be
heard
when
they're
speaking
this
evening
and
if
they
can't
be
heard.
I
will
adjourn
the
meeting.
E
Thank
you,
chairman
members
will
be
aware,
as
it's
set
out
in
the
report.
The
car
parking
ratios,
the
relatively
low
car
ownership
of
0.5
per
a
a
resident
living
in
rented
accommodation
town
centre
that
plus
the
range
of
travel
plan
measures
has
justified
the
parking
provision.
E
Certainly,
members
will
be
aware
that
there
is
a
strong
desire
to
reduce
the
level
of
car
ownership
and
to
encourage
more
sustainable
modes
of
transport.
Air
quality
is
an
issue
in
terms
of
the
air
quality
management
area,
that's
designated
and
the
importance
of
trying
to
reduce,
as
I
say,
car
ownership
and
encourage
sustainability.
E
So
a
number
of
measures
are
incorporated
in
the
scheme
two-year
membership
with
car
club
50
pound
towards
drive
time
for
that
car
club.
Two
car
park,
car
two
car
club
spaces,
one
within
the
site
and
one
on
the
road,
and
that
with
a
number
of
other
developments
in
the
area,
would
increase
the
overall
number
of
car
club
spaces
to
nine.
I
can
come
back
to
that
and
another
number
of
other
measures
in
the
travel
plan
to
encourage
sustainable
transport.
E
In
terms
of
the
the
plan
there
you'll
see
that
the
layout
retains
the
existing
surface
water
sewer,
which
is
an
easement
through
the
through
the
site
which
divides
the
the
site
effectively
into
two
halves
with
that
easement
that
central
area
is
provided
with
parking,
but
also
the
area
in
the
center
of
the
site
to
provide
amenity
play
space
and
a
landscape
courtyard
for
the
the
residents
in
terms
of
the
loss
of
the
tree.
E
It
will
be
important,
as
the
addendum
report
states,
that
there
is
appropriate
provision,
tree
pits
and
depth
of
landscaping
to
accommodate
trees,
and
certainly
the
problems
that
we've
seen
at
mariners.
Point
don't
want
to
be
repeated
and
therefore,
there's
been
considerable
discussion
with
our
engineers
and
the
applicants
landscape
consultants
to
make
sure
that
trees
along
the
road
frontage,
which
are
proposed
to
be
to
10
to
12
meters
in
height
and
also
space
for
a
specimen
london
plane
tree.
Where
there's
more
space.
E
For
landscaping
in
that
northeast
corner
those
services
for
drainage-
and
there
is
adequate
space
for
tree
pits
without
being
affected
by
drainage,
there
will
be
a
need
for
a
revised
drainage
strategy
to
make
sure
the
appropriate
provision
is
made
for
the
trees
that
are
planned
around
the
site
and
on
the
ham,
road
frontage.
E
That
will
be
a
matter
covered
by
the
conditions
and
during
the
delegation
period
that's
recommended
in
terms
of
the
this
plan.
It
shows
the
car
parking
it's
important
to
stress
that
the
set
the
site
has
been
set
back,
as
the
report
says,
to
make
room
for
cycle
path
provision.
E
The
intention
as
part
of
the
is
to
provide
a
dedicated,
a
cycle
path
on
the
southern
side
of
the
brighton
road,
and
that
does
mean
more
road
space,
and
so
the
site
is
being
offered
up
for
to
the
county
council
as
additional
space
to
provide
the
cycle
path
through
to
brighton.
E
The
net
result
is
that
there
is
a
strip
of
land
that,
for
some
time,
will
be
a
grassed
verge
until
it's
required
as
the
for
the
cycle
path.
The
the
footway
will
then
go
on
the
back
edge
of
the
trees
and
in
front
of
the
commercial
units
proposed
along
the
brighton
road
frontage
and
then
we'll
continue
around
onto
ham.
Road.
E
That's
the
view
on
ham
road,
then
looking
at
the
courtyard,
this
is
looking
block
b
and
then
across
to
the
other
side
block
a.
E
Might
be
useful
just
to
to
point
out,
then
the
the
setback
from
the
road
to
accommodate
tree
planting
in
front
of
the
development.
E
These
images
are
included
in
the
report
and
really
just
give
a
flavor
for
the
different
brick
detailing
that's
proposed
on
the
screen
scheme,
the
insect
boundary
balconies,
the
the
the
black
metal
cladding
proposed
for
the
setback,
elements,
railings
and
other
features
and
glazed
tower
glaze
tiles,
and
then
some
of
the
other
features
that
will
be
incorporated
in
the
ground
floor.
E
Commercial
you'll
see
from
the
report
that
we
are
quite
keen
to
secure
as
a
condition
a
design
code
for
ground
floor,
commercial,
particularly
to
control
fascia
and
the
design
of
these
shop
fronts
going
in
along
the
brighton
road
frontage.
That's
covered
by
a
condition.
E
This
just
shows
the
60
car
parking
spaces
and
again
the
commercial
floor
space
and
do
have
a
a
number
of
floor
plans.
I
won't
go
through
them
all,
but
I
suppose
the
key
point
to
pick
out
here
is
the
reduction
in
height
of
the
scheme
adjacent
to
the
duke
of
wellington
and
as
you'll
see
as
we
go
through
to
the
photo
images.
E
The
photo
montages
in
a
moment
I'll
just
before
I
show
the
photo
montages
just
deal
with
the
issue
of
the
height
and
the
relationship
of
this
development
to
saint
mary's,
which
has
been
a
a
point
of
of
concern
to
a
number
of
local
residents.
This
is
really
just
a
comparison
of
story.
Heights
of
this
development.
Now,
as
amended
previously,
the
development
was
higher
than
free
wolf.
E
This
is
now
the
amended
scheme
is
a
meter
lower
than
the
free
wharf
development,
which
is
under
construction
on
the
south
side
of
the
259,
and
you
can
see
the
comparative
heights
of
other
developments
between
the
site
and
sim
areas.
So
simp
mary's,
you
can
see,
is
three
meters
lower
than
the
height
of
the
proposed
development,
but
is
460
meters
away?
You
can
see
the
height
of
the
seven
story
element
element
at
mariners
point
at
24
meters.
E
I
think
this
is
probably
best
illustrated
in
the
cross
sections
that
are
included
in
the
committee
report,
but
for
the
public
I'll
just
take
through
some
of
the
analysis.
That's
been
done
on
this.
That's
the
mannings
development
that
has
been
approved
just
to
the
west
of
the
site.
This
is
the
proposed
amended
scheme
and
there's
st
mary's.
So
the
element
of
the
scheme
that
projects
higher
and
be
seen
in
this
slide
is
the
pitch
roofed
element
to
the
top
of
the
highest
element
of
the
scheme.
E
I
think,
as
the
report
sets
out,
and
some
of
these
images
show
in
a
moment,
it's
important
to
understand
the
relationship
of
this
site
with
saint
mary's
and
the
historic
center
of
shurim,
and
I
I
show
this
view
again
deliberately
because
one
of
the
considerations
and
these
assessments
undertaken
by
the
applicant
through
the
landscape,
visual
impact
assessment,
has
tested
the
11
score
story
scheme.
E
So
the
images
that
you
see
with
the
blue
outline
is
the
previous
11
stories,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
these
images,
the
development-
and
this
is
quite
a
a
good
viewpoint
from
shawrom
on
the
south
side
of
the
bridge-
you
will
see
that
the
the
higher
element-
let's
just
go
back
to
that-
will
be
seen
as
part
of
the
context
of
the
the
western
harbor
regeneration
area.
E
So
there's
the
development
of
free
wharf,
there's
the
mariners
point
development
and,
although
that
seven
stories
is
obviously
in
the
foreground,
to
the
rear
would
be
the
higher
elements
of
the
development.
But
this
is
obviously
showing
11
stories.
This
would
now
be
reduced
by
five
meters
and
two
floors,
so
in
terms
of
the
relationship
of
the
site
and
to
simp
mares
and
the
the
the
historic
center.
E
Your
officers
feel,
as
the
report
sets
out,
that
the
impact
is
not
an
issue
in
terms
of
its
relationship
to
simp
mary's,
given
the
distance
and
its
relationship
to
other
developments.
E
There's
also
been
considerable
assessment
of
the
scheme
from
a
number
of
vantage
points
that
have
been
agreed
with
officers
as
part
of
the
pre-application
and
discussion.
Subsequently,
this
is
looking
at
the
development
from
with
brighton
to
the
rear,
looking
across
towards
shoreham
town
center,
the
ham,
recreation
ground
and
the
that
is
the
11
story.
Obviously,
two
floors
coming
off
with
the
revised
scheme
in
terms
of
some
of
the
other
viewpoints.
E
E
Other
views
have
also
been
looked
at
in
terms
of
across
from
the
allotments
the
relationship
of
the
proposed
development
in
blue
at
11
stories
and
the
relationship
with
the
free
wharf
development,
that's
currently
being
constructed
and
then
again
looking
at
views
from
the
south
side
over
the
river.
Looking
at
the
development
being
constructed
at
free
wharf
to
the
highest
element
sitting
between
those
elements
of
the
free
wharf
development,
then
the
computer
generated
images
of
the
scheme.
This
is
the
amended
plan
with
the
reduced
height
looking
across
from
eastern
avenue.
E
This
is
the
same
image
at
11
and
10
stories,
and
you
can
just
see
the
the
differences
there
and
then
moving
on.
This
is
a
view
again:
the
amended
scheme
from
ham
recreation,
ground,
looking
at
brighton
road,
looking
towards
the
development
and
the
brighton
road
frontage
and
then
looking
across
towards
the
east,
looking
at
the
the
public
house
and
the
development
to
the
rear.
E
So
a
number
of
issues
obviously
have
come
forward
in
the
report.
I'll
probably
just
go
to
a
floor
plan
now
just
to
raise
some
of
the
issues
and
some
further
updates
to
the
committee
report.
E
There
has
been
considerable
concern,
as
I
say,
about
a
number
of
matters
and
I'll
touch
briefly
on
those
as
a
vote.
By
way
of
an
update,
you
will
see
from
the
report
and
the
addendum
that
there
is
to
be
a
legal
agreement
that
would
secure
a
number
of
development
contributions
we
have
today
had
the
prior,
the
ccg
clinical
commissioning
group
have
confirmed
that
they
would
be
expecting
a
contribution
of
114
thousand
pounds
from
the
development
which
does
has
dove
does
have
a
discount
for
the
social
rented
units.
E
So
we
now
have
the
comments
from
the
ccg.
They
would
secure
that
through
the
106
agreement
and
the
county
contributions,
updated
total
nearly
half
a
million
you'll
see
from
the
addendum
490
000
towards
education,
libraries,
fire
and
rescue
and
highways
in
terms
of
the
the
highway
contributions.
E
Clearly,
the
relationship
with
the
duke
of
wellington
and
the
concerns
and
considerable
concerns
about
additional
residential,
potentially
impacting
on
the
live
music
venue
and
public
house.
There
has
been
considerable
discussion
between
the
applicants
and
the
council's
environmental
health
officers,
and
the
approach
to
the
planning
application
has
been
to
secure
mitigation
to
reduce
the
impact
of
any
potential
complaints
from
new
residents
to
the
activities
of
the
public
house.
E
From
the
adjoining
public
house,
the
adjoining
public
house
has
specified
has
requested
that
an
additional
condition
be
added
to
the
planning
permission
that
would
require
a
deed
of
easement
to
be
signed
between
the
council
and
future
land
owner
if
the
site
is
sold
to
the
applicant
hide
housing
to
avoid
complaints
from
future
residents
to
activities
and
live
music
events
being
carried
out
in
accordance
with
its
license.
E
E
E
The
applicant
has,
however,
indicated
and
you'll
hear
from
the
applicant
later
that
they
are
prepared
to
add
a
clause.
Notwithstanding
the
mitigation
that's
been
built
into
the
scheme
within
the
106
that
they
would
agree
to
a
covenant
within
a
unilateral
covenant
that
they
would
sign
up
to
the
future
residents
couldn't
object
to
any
activities
in
the
public
house
if
they
kept
within
their
licence
requirements.
E
So
that
is
an
additional
clause.
Within
the
agreement
that's
been
offered
by
the
applicants,
it's
not
something
that
your
council's
environmental
health
officers
felt
was
necessary
in
these
circumstances,
but
the
applicant
certainly
recognizes
the
concerns
and
doesn't
want
to
be
seen
to
be
having
any
impact
on
the
adjoining
public
house
and
that's
as
you've
heard
earlier
through.
E
The
the
demonstration
outside
the
front
of
the
building
is
a
is
a
real
concern
to
a
number
of
people
who
frequent
the
the
premises
there
and
a
number
of
the
bands
that
play
there
in
terms
of
how
that
would
be
covered,
it
would
be
a
requirement
of
the
106
agreement
and
that
would
be
negotiated
with
hyde
housing.
E
I
do
just
comment
that
the
housing
that's
in
block
a
there
adjacent
to
the
duke
of
wellington
is
to
be
the
social
rented
units.
The
applicant
is
happy
through
that
clause
to
deal
with
that
through
this
unilateral
covenant,
I
should
just
say
around
affordable
housing
just
to
clarify
the
position
in
terms
of
affordable
housing,
so
the
applicant
is
submit
has
submitted
a
policy
compliance
scheme,
which
means
that
30
percent
of
the
159
dwellings
proposed
would
meet
the
policy
requirements
for
affordable
housing.
E
So
of
that
30
percent,
75
percent
would
be
social
rent
and
25
percent
will
be
shared
ownership.
But
the
applicant
has
also
submitted
a
memorandum
of
understanding
to
the
council
to
say
that
it
has
entered
into
a
strategic
partnership
with
homes,
england
and
the
partnership
with
homes.
England
allows
registered
providers
who
are
part
of
this
partnership
to
apply
for
additional
funding
after
the
planning
process
to
secure
the
necessary
funding
to
deliver
100,
affordable
scheme.
E
Now
that
memorandum
of
understanding
is
the
commitment
from
the
applicant
to
the
council
that
it
will
pursue
that
funding,
but
I
have
to
make
it
clear
that
we
can't
make
that
a
requirement
of
any
legal
agreement.
If
we
do,
then
it
breaches
the
agreement
that
they
will
have
with
homes,
england,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
homes
england,
have
entered
into
this
strategic
partnership
to
deliver
more
than
the
planning
process
can
ordinarily
deliver
in
terms
of
affordable
housing.
E
But
we
have
an
applicant
a
registered
provider
that,
if
this
site
and
is
granted
planning
permission
commits
to
deliver
that
hundred
percent.
E
I
think
importantly,
that
means
that
the
number
of
social
rented
units
goes
up
to
60,
with
the
remainder
being
shared
ownership.
The
applicants
have
confirmed
that
the
social
rented
housing
can
also
be
subject
to
an
agreement
separately
after
the
planning
process
and
can
be
covered
by
a
membrane
of
understanding
that
we
will
also
have
a
agreement
over
lettings
policy
to
ensure
that
the
the
social
rented
helps
to
reduce
the
council's
considerable
housing
waiting
list.
E
The
applicants
is
also
willing
to
to
work
with
the
council
to
ensure
that
there's
local
marketing
of
the
shared
ownership,
the
applicant,
has
confirmed
that
it
would
be
in
accordance
with
government
guidelines
in
terms
of
shared
ownership,
that
it
would
be
a
minimum
equity
share
of
25
of
the
open
market
value
of
that
property,
but
clearly
gives
people
an
opportunity
to
get
on
the
housing
ladder
who
wouldn't
ordinarily
be
able
to
that's,
probably
just
dealing
with
the
issues
in
terms
of
affordable
housing.
E
But
I'm
happy
to
take
some
questions,
because
I
appreciate
it's
quite
complicated
matter
around
the
fact
that
a
hundred
percent
would
be
delivered
after
the
planning
permission
has
been
granted
in
terms
of
the
the
loss
of
the
tree.
I've
covered
the
issues
in
terms
of
the
replacement
planting.
I
think,
as
a
report
indicates,
the
landscape
architect
that
was
part
of
the
regional
design
panel
was
very
supportive
of
the
principle
of
develop
setting
the
development
back
and
creating
a
new
avenue
of
trees.
E
The
applicant
has
agreed
in
principle
to
meet
the
off-site
contribution
of
85
000
towards
open
space
enhancement.
That
will
also
help
to
provide
additional
tree
planting
bulb
and
other
enhancements
of
ham,
recreation,
ground
and
other
areas
of
open
space,
and
the
scheme
does
already
include
some
limited
play
provision
as
part
of
the
landscape
courtyard.
E
I
think
members
I've
probably
gone
on
enough
sort
of
giving
you
updates,
I
think,
just
to
clarify
the
recommendation.
We
have
addressed
a
number
of
matters
through
conditions.
That
would
be
the
additional
condition
about
revised
energy
statement.
E
I've
mentioned
about
a
revised
drainage
strategy
to
be
submitted
and
we
are
still
awaiting
the
satisfactory
comments
from
the
hsc
in
relation
to
the
amended,
far
statement,
but
the
applicant
has
addressed
the
concerns
previously
raised
by
the
hse
and
then
the
other
reason
for
the
delegation
is
to
secure
the
legal
agreement
to
secure
the
development
contributions
I've
mentioned
and
also
including
the
health
contribution
of
114
000,
but
also
the
additional
clause
that
I've
mentioned
in
relation
to
a
covenant
to
in
relation
to
future
flat
owners
living
adjacent
to
the
duke
of
wellington.
E
So
I
think
that's
covered
all
the
the
key
updates
chairman.
I'm
happy
to
take
any
points
of
clarification
on
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
appleton.
Now
we
hand
over
to
members
for
questions
of
offices
if
they
have
any
points
that
they
they'd
like
or
points
they'd.
Like
clarified
from
the
presentation
council,
mcgregor.
D
A
D
Thank
you,
the
first
one,
which
is
the
most
important
of
my
two
questions.
Has
there
been
any
work
done
with
regard
to
the
retention
of
the
poplar
tree
and
how
that
would
affect
the
provision
of
social,
rented
housing
within
the
development?
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
chairman
that
there
has
been
a
an
assessment
of
the
necessary
route
protection
area
for
the
the
poplar
tree
and
what
amendments
would
be
necessary
to
secure
the
retention
of
that
tree.
As,
as
we've
heard,
a
number
of
people
feel
that
that
is
an
important
tree
to
be
retained.
E
In
terms
of
I've
mentioned
that
block
a
is
the
social
rented
apartments.
The
applicant
indicates
that
there
would
be
five
flats
that
would
have
to
be
lost
as
a
result
of
the
retention
of
the
tree
and
also
include
the
loss
of
the
commercial
floor
space
in
in
that
area,
so
that
that
that's
the
implication
of
retaining
the
tree.
It
is
a
category
b
tree,
but
it
is
a
mature
tree
you've
seen
from
the
photographs,
it's
highly
visible.
E
D
Thank
you.
The
second
question
is
with
regard
to
the
noise
levels,
and
I,
what
I'm
wondering
is
if
the
current
laws
on
environmental
pollution
don't
cover
what's
required,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
if
the
noise
levels
do
not
exceed
the
permitted
level
that,
if
complaints
were
received
by
the
council,
there
would
be
no
enforcement
action.
So
why
is
there
a
requirement
for
a
subsequent
covenant
or
agreement
on
top
of
the
law
as
it
currently
stands?
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
I
mean
this,
this
all
sort
of
emanates
from
the
the
government's
commitment
that
we
shouldn't.
If
we're
looking
to
increase
densities,
then
we
should
particularly
protect
existing
businesses
and,
in
particular,
live
music
pubs,
community
centers,
theaters
and
the
like,
and
the
principle
really
is
that
the
new
development
coming
along
should
be
mitigated
in
to
an
extent
that
there
is
no
chance
of
any
problem
of
and
future
complaints.
E
I
I
think
the
the
adjoining
pub
is
concerned
that,
without
the
further
deed
of
noise,
easement
or
further
restriction
on
residents
complaining
that
complaints
may
still
come
forward
and
there
is
still
a
risk
that
some
of
those
might
be
upheld
in
the
future.
E
I
think
the
answer
is
that
we
didn't
feel
necessary
as
officers
and
liaising
with
our
environment
health
officers
that
that
was
necessary,
but
it's.
This
is
something
that's
been
offered
by
the
applicant
and
you'll
hear
later
directly
from
the
applicant.
On
this
point,
I
think,
as
far
as
the
adjoining
public
house
is
concerned,
are
they
I
think
they
feel
that
that
would
then
be
an
added
belt
and
braces
as
it
were
in
terms
of
going
above
and
beyond
the
mitigation
measures
already
put
forward.
E
I
think
it's
important
to
stress
that
whether
you
have
any
sort
of
covenant
there
are
still
steps
to
go
through,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
prevent
complaints
coming
forward,
but
obviously,
if
the
pub
keeps
to
its
license
requirements
and
the
mitigation
is
at
the
level
that
is
designed,
then
there
should
be
no
substantiated
complaints
of
noise
nuisance
later.
I
think
it's
also
important
to
stress
that
there
are
other
residential
properties
close
by
there's
mercury
house
to
the
north,
the
other
side
of
the
builder's
yard
and
residential
to
the
west.
E
So
there
are
existing
properties
around,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
discuss
with
our
environmental
health
officers
is
that
they
haven't
had
complaints.
I
think
two
within
the
last
sort
of
eight
or
nine
years
and
both
those
complaints,
weren't
weren't
substantiated.
So
this
isn't
a
premises
that
seems
to
provoke
complaints
from
existing
residents
and
obviously
the
idea
is
that
we've
got
new
residents
moving
in,
but
with
premises
that
will
be
appropriately
noise
insulated.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much
chairman
in
respect
of
parking
and
the
number
of
car
parking
spaces
per
per
flat.
Could
you
confirm
that
when
west
assets
were
looking
at
the
impact
of
this
development
that
they
also
took
into
account
the
current
developments
that
on
which
planning
permission
has
been
given
recently?
C
And
secondly,
I
I
I
guess-
I
perfectly
understand
that
if
we're
going
to
reduce
pollution
and
traffic
and
whatever,
then
that
requires
fewer
people
to
have
cars
and
therefore
greater
use
of
of
public
transport
and
and
and
if
we're
going
to
meet
our
sustainability
with
that,
it's
probably
going
to
be
the
route
we're
going
to
go,
but
in
the
meantime
it
could
well
be
impact
on,
shall
we
say,
knock
on
parking
in
adjacent
roads
where
residents
with
cars
and
things
may
wish
to
park.
C
E
My
colleague
and
I
didn't
announce
you
earlier,
mr
g,
stephen
g
from
west
sussex
may
want
to
comment.
I
suppose
the
only
thing
that
I'd
comment
on
that
is
that
there
are
separate
consultation
processes
around
residence
permit
parking,
so
it
wouldn't
be
possible
on
a
planning
application
to
condition
or
to
require
that,
because
there
are
separate
legal
consultation
processes
to
to
go
through
with
that
regard-
and
I
don't
know-
if
that's
what
you
would
have
said
stephen,
but
yes,
there's
a
nod
there,
so
I
think
it
would
be
difficult.
E
It
is
something
that
we
have
looked
at
before
on
other
sites
and
the
the
most
that
we've
really
been
able
to
secure
have
been
really
mitigating
the
impact
where
there
is
already
a
residence
parking
permit.
Sometimes
we
have
surveys,
post
development
and
then
looking
at
whether
it's
exacerbating
existing
parking
problems,
but
that's
that's.
You
know
invariably,
where
you've
got
existing
residence
parking
permits
in
place.
C
A
E
E
Each
of
the
developments
are
slightly
different
in
terms
of
level
of
parking
proposed,
but
the
community
of
impact
of
all
the
developments
were
taken
into
account
through
the
local
plan
and
the
transport
study,
and
it's
really
that
initial
transport
study
that
had
a
range
of
mitigation
measures
for
the
overall
development
proposed,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
in
each
individual
application
coming
forward
with
its
justification
for
parking
provision
and
they
they
haven't,
therefore
assessed
the
community
of
impact
in
that
way.
But
each
application
has
that
separate
assessment.
E
I
suppose
the
other
thing
to
mention
is
that
hide
housing
and
southern
housing
who
are
building
very
close
to
each
other,
are
very
keen
to
collaborate
together
to
look
at
maximizing
the
opportunities
for
use
of
car
club
spaces
and
to
encourage
their
tenants
to
sign
up
to
car
clubs
and
not
to
be
car
owners,
and
that's
that's
an
important
initiative
and
as
part
of
the
western
harbour
arm.
F
Could
you
clarify
for
us
please
your
earlier
comment
regarding
the
five
flats
that
would
be
lou
lost,
because
if
the
popular
tree
were
to
go
in
terms
of
why
it's
social
housing,
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
understand
why
the
social
housing
are
in
the
blocks
that
they
are
in
their
position
and
how
that
affects.
Presumably
the
knock-on
effect
of
costings.
E
Yes,
I
mean-
certainly
the
applicant
has
indicated
that,
if
holmes
england
funding
is
available,
that
that
block
would
be
the
the
social
rented
in
that
location,
but
obviously
from
a
panic
planning
perspective
at
the
moment,
there's
only
30
percent
provision.
So
it's
a
loss
of
five
flats.
The
applicants
indicated
they're
likely
to
be
the
social
rented
flats.
That's
planned
as
part
of
that
development
with
the
homes,
england,
funding
should
planning
permission,
be
granted.
F
The
social
housing
block
is
the
far
smaller
lower
and
my
understanding,
but
I'm
not
100,
is
that
effectively.
Therefore,
the
maintenance
and
costs
of
having
the
social
housing
cited.
There
is
not
out
of
choice
that
the
more
expensive
higher
block
flats
that
are
up
for
sale
would
be
more
expensive
in
terms
of
maintenance.
E
Thank
you
I
understand
where
you're
driving
at
now.
Yes,
I
mean,
certainly
in
terms
of
looking
at
where
you
would
locate
shared
ownership
in
relation
to
social
rented.
You
would
look
at
locating
the
social
rented
where
there
are
likely
to
be
less
service
charges.
So
certainly,
if
you're
having
the
higher
flats,
there
are
more
service
charges
likely
and
you
wouldn't
want
to
have
this.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
I'm
just
back
to
the
tree,
mr
appleton.
Do
we
have
any
idea
of
that?
This
is
quite
a
mature
tree
already.
Is
it
not
you
say
about
30
years
old?
Do
we
have
any
idea
of
how
long
this
tree,
how
much
longer
that
tree
would
be
there
before
it
would
sort
of
have
lived
its
usefulness
or
before
it
has
to
be
replaced?
In
fact,
thank
you.
E
The
agricultural
assessment
submitted
with
the
application
suggests
it
still
has.
I
I
if
I
recall,
10
to
30
years
further
life
expectancy,
so
it's
still
got
quite
a
a
a
long
way
to
go.
It's
a
mature
tree.
It's
still
got
some.
Some
life
expectancy
to
use
a
that
as
a
term.
I
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
james
I'd,
probably
just
I'd
just
like
you
to
probably
to
clarify
the
affordable
part
again,
if
you
would
only
because
I
think
the
aspiration
of
the
remaining
flats
after
the
social
housing
to
be
100,
affordable,
is
a
terrific
aspiration
and
I'd
really
like
some
reassurance.
If
you
like
about
the
process
that
is
involved
to
ensure
that
that
happens,
because
I
appreciate
that
it's
quite
a
technical
point
that
we
can't
say
now
that
we're
looking
at
100,
affordable,
159
flats,
but
actually
we
think
after
this
process
we
will
get
there.
E
Yes-
and
I
I
think
it's
an
important
point-
the
difficulty
that
we
have
from
a
pla
as
a
planning
authority
and
with
the
agreement
that
holmes
england
would
need
to
enter
into
with
hyde
is
that
funding
wouldn't
be
available
if
it
was
a
planning
requirement
and
that's
the
difficulty.
If
we
amended
the
legal
agreement
and
said
we
want
to
have
100,
affordable
housing
homes,
england
wouldn't
provide
the
funding,
and
we
would
then
fail
to
get
the
the
affordable
housing
that
the
the
district
really
needs.
E
So
it
is
a
question
that
homes,
england
are
providing
funding,
but
only
on
the
basis
of
additionality
to
the
planning
process.
So
our
policies
require
30
percent.
We
can
secure
through
the
planning
percent
planning
process
30,
but
we
can't
require
that
100
and
that's
why
the
applicants
have
submitted
their
memorandum
of
understanding.
E
We
know,
through
discussions
with
hyde,
that
they're
part
of
this
strategic
partnership.
We
know
that
this
is
a
site
that
is
on
the
list
of
schemes
to
be
funded
by
homes,
england.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
reassurance
that
it
will
be
delivered
after
the
planning
process.
We're
just
saying
that
the
planning
process
can
only
legally
secure
30
to
be
policy
compliant
and
the
rest
would
follow
with
homes,
england
funding,
hopefully
that's
clearer,
but
I'm
conscious.
E
We
had
this
equally
with
kingston
wharf,
another
hyde
scheme
that
was
approved
last
year,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
understand
that
how
far
we
can
go
as
a
planning
authority.
E
So
there
is
a
there
are
some
conditions
on
hyde
that
if
they're
going
to
get
affordable,
housing,
100,
affordable
housing
on
some
of
their
sites,
and
this
being
one
of
them
that
they
need
to
complete
those
units
within
that
sort
of
time
scale,
which
seems
a
long
way
off,
but
obviously
we're
at
2022.
Now.
J
Council
gardener.
Thank
you
chair
in
the
document
we've
got
this
evening.
It
says
the
applicant
has
stated
that
the
proposal
does
not
include
any
wheelchair
user
m43,
as
this
is
not
a
policy
requirement
and
the
lack
of
ground
floor
units
makes
this
provision
harder
to
achieve.
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
tell
us
what
that
actually
means.
E
We
were
quite
keen
to
try
and
get
a
certain
percentage
of
homes
built
to
the
higher
mobility
standard,
which
is
full
wheelchair
access.
Unfortunately,
well,
not,
unfortunately,
but
government
guidance
makes
it
clear.
We
can
only
start
setting
requirements
if
there's
clear
local
evidence
to
justify
the
need
for
it,
and
we
weren't
able
to
come
up
with
that
supporting
information
to
justify
that
and
therefore
that
didn't
form
part
of
the
the
local
plan.
E
We
have
had
some
discussions
with
applicants
about
whether
we
can
encourage
on
certain
developments
or
higher
mobility
standards,
but
there
are
obviously
a
number
of
implications
by
meeting
that
highest
standard.
All
units
have
to
meet
the
slightly
lower
mobility
standard
and
that's
a
requirement
of
building
regulations,
but
there
is
this
higher
full
wheelchair
access
standard
that
is
harder
to
achieve.
A
J
E
I
understand
that
the
west
sussex
will
be
undertaking
some
public
consultation
on
the
259
route.
I
think
it
starts
on
the
march
the
8th,
so
it's
next
week
and
and
certainly
as
members
are
aware,
every
time
a
site
comes
forward
in
the
western
harbor
arm.
We
are
securing
frontages
to
ensure
that
we
can
deliver
that,
but
it
will
require
each
of
the
development
sites
to
come
forward.
So
we
can
can
secure
all
the
land.
E
So,
firstly,
we
need
to
secure
all
the
land
for
each
development
site
that
comes
along
we're,
also
securing
development
contributions,
and
so
it
will
take
time,
although
I
have
to
say
that
the
western
harvest,
arms
sites
are
coming
forward
quicker
than
expected
and
we
are
certainly
getting
the
the
land
secured
quicker
than
perhaps
we
envisaged
when
we
were
writing
the
joint
error
action
plan
and
coming
up
with
the
proposal
for
this
dedicated
cycle
path
on
the
south
side.
Time
scales,
it's
very
difficult
to
say,
because
obviously
some
of
the
sites
haven't
come
forward.
E
Yet
frost
is
a
planning
application.
That's
coming
in
we're
having
the
discussion
opposite
with
the
potential
developers
of
the
frost
site
and
then
the
land
to
the
east
still
hasn't
come
forward,
but
we
are
in
discussions
with
a
number
of
parties
and
there's
also
a
funding
issue.
Obviously
we
need
to
take
all
the
contributions
from
all
those
development
sites,
as
well
as
the
land
to
be
able
to
start
delivering
something
on
the
ground.
J
E
Yes-
and
I
I
think
part
of
the
discussion
between
the
highway
authority
and
the
applicants
has
been
or
what
point
would
you
leave
a
a
cycle
path
and
then
rejoin
the
carriageway,
and
that
has
been
a
discussion
along
the
the
ham
road
frontage.
It's
likely
that
the
width
and
alignment
of
ham
road
is
that
that
cycle
path
is
probably
going
to
continue
more
as
a
road
shared
route
to
the
railway
station.
But
I
don't
know
if
stephen
wants
to
comment,
or
am
I
correct
on
that
assumption.
G
Yeah
so
in
part,
the
highway
changes
that
are
required
at
the
signalized
junction
means
the
cycle
routes
along
eastern
avenue
ham
road
wouldn't
provide
much
benefits
on
its
own.
It
needs
to
be
delivered
as
a
whole
scheme,
so
the
the
land
is
within
the
highway
and
once
the
knock-on
changes
happen,
the
scheme
can
be
delivered.
A
I
have,
I
think
all
members
have
asked
the
question
now.
I
I
have
a
just
two.
I
think
I
see
james
on
page
16,
something
jumped
out
of
me
in
in
terms
of
the
use
of
a
scissors
stair,
as
indicated
in
block
b,
is
not
compatible
recommendations
for
firefighting.
Staircase,
obviously
we're
here
tonight
the
the
the
recommendations
are
proved
to
delegate
and
it
makes
response
to
the
hsc.
Is
that
included
within
the
health
and
safety
side,
because,
that's
obviously
quite
concerning.
E
Yes,
the
applicants
have
gone
back
to
the
hsc
to
confirm
that
there
wouldn't
be
that
scissor
lift
that
they
were
concerned
about,
and
I
have
addressed
all
the
points
of
the
hsc.
E
A
The
the
only
other
point
for
clarification
is
obviously
one
of
them
is
in
terms
of
the
type
of
materials
used,
and
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
talk
we're
here
to
talk
about
this
planning
application.
But
there
has
been
others
not
too
far
away
from
here
that
the
choice
of
pallets
was
not
necessarily
what
was
shown.
Is
it
possible
if
the
committees
of
mined,
when
we
get
on
to
debate
that
that
could
come
back
to
committee,
if,
if
it
was
approved?
A
E
Yes,
chairman,
I
think
I
know
the
development
you're
referring
to
so
yeah.
I
mean
I
think
the
applicants
have
deliberately
given
us
a
lot
of
information
of
of
the
type
and
color
of
bricks
to
to
avoid
that
situation.
But
I,
but
I'm
conscious
that
there
will
be
a
a
requirement
for
condition
discharge.
E
There
will
be
a
a
a
need
for
the
applicants
to
submit
specific
details
of
bricks
with
with
sample
panels,
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
when
we
get
that
to
then
you
know
take
that
back
to
committee
at
the
appropriate
time,
it's
very
difficult
for
developers
to
commit
to
a
particular
brick
type,
because
invariably,
these
days
in
two
months
time
that
brick's
not
available
and
they're
looking
for
a
different
brick.
So
it's
appropriate
that
we've
got
the
the
color
ranges
here
and
we
know
what
the
buildings
are
intended
to
look
like.
A
I
Council
nicholas
sorry,
just
one
further
point,
just
going
back
to
the
situation
about
the
covenant
relating
to
the
duke
of
wellington,
pub,
which
you
said,
have
been
offered
up
by
the
applicants.
E
The
the
the
revised
recommendation
is
that
we
would
incorporate
that
within
the
legal
agreement,
so
the
legal
agreement
would
require
the
applicant
to
submit
a
what
would
probably
be
a
separate
unilateral
undertaking
to
enter
into
a
covenant
to
control
not
effectively
control
but
to
to
ensure
that
future
residents
don't
object
to
activities
of
the
public
house
keeping
within
their
approved
license.
So
that
would
be
included
in
the
106..
E
It
is.
A
planning
is
largely
about
land
use
and
that's
why
plan
government
guidance
is
very
much
about
mitigation,
whether
that's
the
location
of
development
or
the
specific
design
and
mitigation
built
into
development
issues
that
involve
land
owners
are
generally
things
dealt
with
either
outside
the
planning
process,
or
can
sometimes
be
involved
through
a
legal
agreement.
The
reason
why
it's
a
unilateral
undertaking
is
it's
within
the
applicant's
control,
and
particularly
in
this
instance,
which
is
rather
unique
in
the
the
applicant,
will
be
retaining
ownership
of
all
the
social,
rented
and
a
part.
E
E
I
should
just
mention
talking
about
affordable
housing.
We
have
got
social
rent
being
offered
here.
The
majority
of
our
developments
that
come
forward
are
affordable,
rent
based
on
government
guidance,
which
is
80
of
market
rent,
and
that
is
less
available
because
it's
still
unachievable
for
most
people
to
rent
something
at
80
percent
of
market.
Rent
social
rent
is
a
much
lower
percentage
more
like
sort
of
55
54.
E
So
it
is
clearly
a
a
significant
benefit
to
secure
social
rented
through
the
section
106
agreement.
Sorry,
I
was
going
to
make
that
point
earlier.
A
Apologies,
james,
you,
you
made
mention
of
a
revised
recommendation
and,
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
nail
down
on
this
point
the
council
nicholas,
because
I
don't
have
that
revised
recommendation
in
front
of
me
and
I'd
like
that,
do
can
that
be
shared,
because
at
the
moment
the
recommendation
just
makes
reference
to
the
hsc
and
the
signing
of
the
section
111
and
106
agreement,
but
but
doesn't
say
that
so
as
long
as
we're
all
aware,
it's
minuted
and
documented
etc
that
that
is
in
there.
But
I've
not
had
that
shared
with
me
yet
either.
A
E
No
chairman
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
read
out
the
revised,
because
that
does
pick
up
on
a
couple
of
extra
things
that
come
in
today.
Like
the
ccg
contribution
and
the
like.
A
I
I
think,
that's
important
for
members
when
we
come
on
to
the
debate.
Okay,
if
there's
no
council
edwards,
nearly
council
edwards.
F
Quick
question
about
landscaping
since
we've
been
touching
on
the
popular
tree
and
it's
been
a
concern
on
other
developments
and
you've
mentioned
marijuana's
point.
So
thank
you
for
covering
that
in
the
enforcement
action.
F
Could
you
tell
us
whether
the
condition
around
the
proposed
landscaping
as
to
whether
there
will
be
a
minimum
height
considered
for
the
25
trees,
as
there's
obviously
concerns
that
we
will
have
little
whip
saplings
put
there
and
nothing
substantial
and
what
does
80
000
buy
if
you
would
be
able
to
cover
that,
if
not
hide
when
they
speak?
Thank
you.
E
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
further
questions
of
the
officers
we
will
next
move
on
to
the
registered
speaker,
each
registered
speaker
will
have
three
minutes,
we'll
be
timed
and
at
the
end
I
will
allow
members
if
they
have
any
points
of
clarification
on
the
presentation
to
make
them,
but
it
must
relate
to
we're
not
going
to
have
a
q
a
session
with
members
that
are
coming
to
to
object
or
support
this
evening.
A
K
Hello,
thank
you.
Your
latest
announcement
about
the
deed
of
easement
being
accepted
has
somewhat
thrown
what
I
was
going
to
say,
because
I
had
planned
to
talk
about
that
pretty
much.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
my
timing
is
going
to
work
out
now.
K
It
does
raise
a
couple
of
questions
and
one
being
whether
or
not
the
data
easement
would
apply
to
more
than
just
the
social
tenants,
as
was
implied
earlier.
I'm
not
sure
if
I
understood
that,
because
there
would
be
some
control
of
that
in
the
future,
we
feel
that
there
is
definitely
a
need
for
diesel
of
easement
to
deal
with
any
residual
risk
of
complaints.
K
One
question
that
I
tried
to
submit
to
the
council
earlier,
but
wasn't
deemed
appropriate,
but
I
wonder
if
perhaps
I
could
ask
it
now-
is
that
in
terms
of
energy
usage,
will
the
mechanical
ventilation
be
a
cost
carried
by
residents
directly
through
their
utility
bills
or
as
an
addition
to
their
service
charge?
You
mentioned
the
cost
of
service
charges
being
reduced
for
that
the
that
area,
but
if,
if
mitigation
includes
energy
costs,
will
those
be
applied
to
the
the
residents,
in
particular
the
social
tenants?
K
K
We
have
been
advised
in
the
past
that
there
might
be
some
legal
issues
regarding
social
housing
and
deed
of
easements,
because
there
could
be
a
possibility
at
some
point
that
a
tenant
might
say
that
they
had
been
compelled
to
sign
the
easement
effectively
social
tents.
Don't
have
the
choice
to
move
into
those
properties
they're
being
placed
there.
K
So
that
was
just
another
point
that
might
need
looking
at.
So
I
do
appreciate
very
much
the
efforts
that
have
been
put
into
to
giving
us
the
assurances
we
need
about
the
deed
of
easement.
But
it
does
raise
a
few
more
questions
and
I
should
imagine
that
our
solicitors
and
and
the
applicant
solicitors
will
be
getting
together
to
discuss
those.
K
Again,
there
are
certain
questions
in
terminology
now
that
I
I'm
not
really
understanding
what
a
unilateral
covenant
is,
and
these
are
technical
things
which
probably
are
not
appropriately
to
be
discussed
now.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
for
resolving
this
last
minute.
It's
very
much
appreciated
it's
great
great
relief.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
scream.
I
I
I
it
might
be
worth
do
you
want
to
come
in
on
a
couple
of
quick
points
now,
I'm
mindful
of
going
through
the
rest
again,
I
don't.
A
E
Yes,
normally
it's
the
members
asking
important
clarification,
but
it's
a
fair
question
back,
because
I
I've
raised
the
issue,
the
the
applicant's
suggestion
you
hear
in
a
minute
from
their
speaker,
but
is
that
they
would
commit
as
a
unilateral
agreement
a
a
a
deed
of
noise.
Easement
is
usually
a
agreement
between
two
parties
so
that
one
party
says
that
they
will
comply
with
their
licence
requirements
and
the
other
party
says
as
long
as
you
do
that
we
will
not
commit
to
not
raise
objections.
E
Future
residents.
In
this
case
the
applicant,
is
suggesting
a
unilateral
agreement.
So
it's
a
site,
an
agreement
that
they
place
a
covenant
on
their
site
that
effectively
present
prevents
their
residents
from
raising
objections
to
your
activities
next
door.
Provided
you
comply
with
your
license,
so
it's
a
slightly
different
way
to
achieve
the
same
thing,
but
it's
a
it's
something
that
they're
committing
to
do
through
the
106
that's
signed
when
they
become
the
landowners,
because,
obviously
the
the
issue
at
the
moment
is
the
council
owns
land.
It
will
be
selling
subject
to
the
grant
of
planning.
E
Permission
then
hide
are
the
land
owners
and
then
can
commit
to
make
that
covenant.
A
E
I
think
the
the
emphasis
has
been
on
the
flats
closest
to
because
the
easement
and
block
a
is
some
distance
away
and
obviously,
in
some
respects,
the
increased
height
of
block
b
does
shield
block
block
a
does
shield
the
rest
of
the
development.
Certainly,
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
discuss
with
the
applicants
to
see
whether
that
would
go
beyond
the
block.
I
think
the
intention
was
just
covering
the
flats
that
are
immediately
adjacent,
which
is
obviously
half
of
the
development.
The
other
side
of
the
line
of
the
surface
water
sewer.
A
A
So
sorry,
council,
guy
again,
do
you
have
anything
that
you'd,
like
clarified
from
the
presentation,
but
that
again
is
not
likely
to
become
that's
a
question
for
officers
which
we've
now
passed.
No
james.
You
have
a
quick
answer
to
to
that
particular
point
over
the
mechanical.
I'm
mindful
we
have
numerous
other
speakers,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
obstinate
on
purpose.
I
do
apologize.
E
I
would
have
chairman,
but
I
was
I
apologize,
turned
away
at
that
point.
If
you
could
just
repeat
the
question,
then
I'll
be
able
to
answer
it.
A
K
Yeah
in
terms
of
energy
usage,
will
mechanical
ventilation
be
a
cost
carried
by
residents
directly
through
their
utility
bills
or
as
an
addition
to
their
service
charge?
I.E
does
hyde
have
a
plan
to
ensure
that
the
cost
of
mitigation
against
noise
from
the
duke
of
wellington
is
not
carried
by
residents.
E
Sorry,
yes,
you
did
ask
that
it
is
something
that
we
have
sought
to
to
cover
in
the
report
and
there
will
be
conditions
and
elements
of
the
legal
agreement
dealing
with
the
management
of
things
within
the
site.
Like
the
overheating
landscape
management,
it
will
be
a
management
plan
exactly
how
the
applicant
then
divides
those
in
terms
of
service
costs
to
individual
flats.
I
haven't
got
that
precise
information,
but
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
a
cost
of
the
development.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
really
really
appreciate
it.
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
the
the
next
speaker,
joss
loader,
chairman
of
shawn
beach
residents,
association,
jos,.
L
As
a
council,
there
is
one
chance
and
one
chance
only
to
get
this
right.
As
a
former
member
of
the
planning
committee,
I
appreciate
the
challenges
of
determining
this
application
and
what
you
are
up
against
this
evening.
Many
people
in
shoreham
believe
that
the
link
between
the
planning
system
and
democracy
is
irretrievably
broken.
L
L
However,
the
council
needs
to
push
back
developers
have
a
right
of
appeal,
but
objectives
do
not
planning
committees
need
to
represent
that
they
actually
have
teeth.
Firstly,
I
would
emphasize
that
shawn
beach
residents
association
is
not
opposed
to
the
principle
of
building
affordable
homes
on
this
site.
There
is
a
housing
crisis
in
the
south
east
and
we
need
to
address
this,
and
indeed
we
would
welcome
viable
solutions.
L
However,
this
development
is
still
too
high
and
still
too
dense.
The
fears
that
it
will
be
a
blot
on
the
landscape
are
very
real.
Cherished
views
of
saint
mary
de
horo
may
be
blocked
from
some
areas
of
the
town
and
from
shoreham
beach.
It
also
goes
without
saying
that
people
don't
just
need
homes.
They
also
need
access
to
good
and
reliable
public
services.
L
I
reference
the
response
from
the
ccg,
which
is
coming
very
late,
requiring
a
contribution
of
114
000
pounds.
Local
people
are
already
struggling
to
access
primary
care.
Locally.
Dentistry
is
particularly
hard
hit
and
gp
access
is
a
crisis.
Point
parking
is
another
major
issue.
I
fully
support
a
sustainable
move
away
from
car
usage.
However,
the
west
sussex
county
council
calculator
would
normally
require
203
parking
spaces.
L
We
do
have
reasonable
public
transport
links,
but
not
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
How
do
nurses,
fire
crews,
paramedics
and
other
essential
shift
workers
get
around
after
normal
working
hours?
Women
need
to
feel
safe.
The
very
people
that
we
clap
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic
will
be
hardest
hit.
I
have
never
seen
a
plumber
or
electrician
turn
up
on
a
bike.
L
In
summary,
I'm
concerned
that
there
are
too
many
outstanding
issues
instead
of
determining
this
application
in
its
entirety.
The
committee
is
being
asked
to
delegate
powers
to
the
head
of
planning.
Major
concerns
include
sewage.
Southern
water
says
it
will
address
this
very
important
issue,
given
their
dismal
performance
to
date
and
public
disquiet.
I
would
request
that
all
the
outstanding
issues
come
back
to
the
committee
for
final
sign
off
and
discussion
before
permission
is
given.
Thank
you,
chairman.
A
Thank
you,
john
josh,
that
there
may
be
some
points
of
clarification.
Okay,
do
any
members
have
any
points
of
clarification
there
may
not
be
I
apologize.
No,
there
is
not
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
If
I
can
now,
please
have
kim
matthews
who's
representing
area
again.
I
think
the
microphone
is
on,
so
your
three
months
will
start
when
you
speak.
So
thank
you.
A
M
You
chairman
ariel,
wants
a
sustainable
mix
of
affordable
and
rented
social
housing
of
high
quality
design,
green
space
and
parking
and
in
sympathy
with
the
character
of
our
shorum.
This
half-baked
application
should
be
rejected
and
deferred
and
not
passed
to
an
unelected
officer
for
approval.
It's
not
sustainable.
The
benefits
do
not
outweigh
the
detrimental
impacts.
Let's
start
with
parking,
we
don't
believe
the
developers
parking
survey
where's
their
evidence.
The
photos
daytime
parking
in
this
neighborhood
is
at
capacity.
M
M
There's
consistent
under
provision
in
this
area,
we're
probably
300
short
and
on
the
inspectors,
parking
comment
for
aaron.
You
can't
compare
arendelle
population
three
and
a
half
three
and
a
half
thousand
the
same
size
as
stenning
with
shawarms
twenty
thousand
six
times
bigger,
we'll
get
traffic
churn
and
sussex
police
are
expecting
disharmony
in
ham,
road
surrey,
street
new
road,
gordon
road,
eastern
avenue,
perhaps
upper
shoreham
road
drainage
and
sewage,
where's,
the
really
detailed
groundwater
survey
or
management
system.
M
Your
own
technical
services
are
demanding
a
holding
objection
on
this
application,
this
site's
in
flood
zone
3a
and
could
flood
up
to
1.7
meters.
What
about
flood
insurance
for
these
commercial
units?
If
they
get
refused
insurance?
Will
they
be
boarded
up?
A
splendid
gateway
site?
Indeed,
are
the
flats
6.5
meters
above
ordnance,
datum?
M
There's
a
history
of
sellers
flooding.
The
proximity
ask
mercury
house
you're
legally
bound
to
to
consider
the
cumulative
effect
of
all
the
developments
in
the
know,
but
in
terms
of
floods
and
air
quality,
consult
nppf,
paragraph
180,
southern
water
anticipates
increased
sewage
flows
and
risk
of
foul
water
flooding
in
this
low-lying
area,
they'll
need
a
minimum
of
two
years
of
program
of
sewer
enforcement.
Reinforcement
with
all
these
brighton
road
applications
coming
online
hyde
hasn't
completed
its
occupancy
schedule
for
southern
water
and
on
the
tree.
M
Your
own
tree
officer
cannot
justify
chopping
down
this
perfectly
healthy
and
culturally
valuable
tree.
This
mature
this
tree
is
brilliant
for
carbon
capture
next
to
the
a259
idling
traffic
and
protects
the
pub
by
sucking
up
hundreds
of
gallons
of
ground
water.
Each
year
this
site
was
earmarked
for
75
units.
This
developer
wants
the
tree
chopped
down
solely
as
part
of
their
aim
to
double
that
number.
This
tree
is
a
very
powerful
symbol.
It
turns
a
spotlight
on
how
serious
ada
is
about
the
environment.
Thank
you.
M
A
A
N
Councillors,
it
will
be
clear
to
you
from
the
documents
that
you've
received,
that
there
are
a
number
of
major
unresolved
issues
in
this
application
and
that,
despite
the
pressure
that
you
are
under,
you
cannot
approve
it
in
its
present
form.
Act
will
support
the
council
in
its
desire
to
provide
housing
within
the
district
that
both
reduces
the
waiting
list
and
meets
the
needs
of
the
people
of
ada,
but
not
at
any
cost.
N
N
Your
own
regulations
demand
that
there
is
a
full
management
and
maintenance
plan
for
the
lifetime
of
that
development
in
place
before
a
spade
breaks
the
ground
technical
services.
Note
the
need
for
a
revised
drainage
strategy
which
has
not
been
published
in
your
documents.
Southern
waters
make
it
up
as
we
go
along
policy
is
inadequate.
N
N
N
A
O
Hello
right,
three
minutes
right,
I
haven't
quite
you've,
got
copies
of
my
notes,
and
some
of
it
has
been
superseded
by
events
mentioned
earlier
right.
Ultimately,
this
significant
site
needs
to
be
developed,
and
we
are
very
much
in
favor
of
this
happening.
However,
this
prominent
site
needs
to
be.
That
needs
better,
to
be
better.
Consider
sorry
rephrase
that
this
prominent
side
needs
to
better
consider
as
to
how
it
affects
its
immediate
surroundings,
as
well
as
how
it
offers
itself
as
the
gateway
into
shoreham.
O
O
O
O
O
Many
recent
developments
have
not
provided
the
proposed
landscaping,
as
promised
resulting
in
a
breach
of
conditioned
notice.
In
one
case,
we
know
a
scheme
that
has
to
be
viable,
but
it
should
not
be
to
the
detriment
of
local
communities
in
general.
The
shoreham
society
think
highly
of
ecg
architects,
but
they
think
with
a
lower
scheme
retention
of
the
tree
and
proven
impact
consideration
of
the
duke
of
wellington.
O
A
I'm
gonna
have
to
stop
you
there.
Thank
you
very
much
again.
Does
anyone
any
points
of
clarification
from
members
nope?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
now
move
on
to
the
ward
councillor
council,
catherine,
arnold
council,
arnold.
I
think
you
know
the
drill.
P
P
Therefore
increasing
social
housing
and
reducing
the
750
household
on
the
waiting
list
is
imperative,
but
what
is
before
you
today
is
a
30,
affordable
development
that
6
36
dwellings
out
of
159
the
homes.
England
grant
is
a
commitment,
but
not
confirmed
today,
nor
the
total
60
social
housing
out
of
the
159
promised.
So
you
need
to
concentrate
on
what
is
before
you
today.
P
The
term
affordable
is
a
misnomer,
hide
examples
on
a
shared
ownership
flat
at
333
k
would
be
1040
pound
per
month
for
rent
mortgage
and
service
charge.
Assuming
no
changes
in
these
hyde
have
issued.
350
increases
criteria
for
shared
ownership
is
a
combined
salary
of
80
000
pounds.
The
average
salary
for
a
single
person
living
in
ada
is
25
000
pounds.
P
The
trees
plan
submitted
under
nature
conservation
will
not
mitigate
the
loss
of
the
popular
as
aida's
technical,
servicer
officer
objection
remains,
and
I
quote:
trees
proposed
over
the
previous
location
for
tank
surface
water
attenuation
are
not
possible.
She
raises
concern
of
tree
root
damage
to
water
pipes.
In
addition,
no
winter
water
retention
surveys
have
been
received
by
her.
Given
this.
I
therefore
ask
for
a
condition
of
keeping
the
poplar
tree,
reducing
the
commercial
space
and
reconfiguring
to
lose
five
shared
ownership
properties,
not
social
housing.
I
go
back
to
the
point
of
the
720
k
bill.
P
A
I
Apologies
for
obvious
reasons
you
raced
through
that
to
get
through
it
all
in
three
minutes.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
you
went
quickly
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
one
point:
you
made
about
hyde,
housing
and
350
increases,
because
you
went
through
that
very
quickly
and
I
didn't
quite
catch
what
you
were
referring
to.
P
Okay,
thank
you.
So
if
you
look
up
under
trust
pilot,
there
are
156
horrendous
reviews
of
on
the
height
housing
and
one
of
them
captures
the
question
that
she'd
been
asking
over
and
over
of
her
project
property
manager.
Why
she
had
she
and
others
in
the
in
the
block,
had
suffered
a
350
percent
increase
in
their
service
charges
year
on
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
council,
arnold,
okay,
that
is
the
objectives
of
the
ward
council
world
councillor.
We
will
now
be
having
the
african
age
of
supporters
chris
barker
and
then
I
understand
you'll
also
be
taking
and
reading
a
statement
from
chris
barker.
So
yes
for
apologies
from
sam
sykes
in
his
in
his
absent
correct
fantastic.
If
you
could
come
up
chris
barker.
A
Q
Q
Q
Such
an
approach
is
clearly
aligned
with
the
council's
climate
change,
emergency
declaration
and
air
quality
objectives
for
shawn
to
mitigate
the
reduced
level
of
car
parking.
Two
car
club
cars
are
proposed,
one
of
which
is
to
be
located
at
local
street,
allowing
use
by
the
community
and
other
space
within
the
site
itself.
Q
Almost
a
quarter
of
a
million
pounds
in
contributions
are
offered
also
toward
local
highway
improvements
and
sustainable
transport
measures,
including
also
provision
of
land
to
the
south
of
site
for
the
cycle
lane.
This
package
of
improvements
are
considered
to
provide
for
more
sustainable
forms
of
transportation
and
should
be
considered
positively.
Q
The
proposed
scheme
in
energy
terms
is
also
highly
sustainable,
with
a
commitment
from
the
hyde
group
to
reduce
the
energy
consumption
of
properties
by
31,
measured
against
the
building
regulations,
part
l,
ada
planning
policy
requires
only
a
19
reduction
in
this
respect.
The
proposed
energy
strategy
is
focusing
on
a
fabric.
First
approach,
low
energy
demand,
electric
heating
panels
and
photovoltaic
arrays
are
considered
again
to
assist
in
greatly
reducing
the
energy
demand
in
line
with
council
objectives.
Q
Concerns
have
been
raised
with
regard
to
the
loss
of
the
popular
tree
adjacent
to
duke
of
wellington.
Whilst
the
loss
of
a
tree
is
regrettable,
always
the
proposal
has
sought
to
maximize
on-site
tree
planting
potential.
A
large
london
plane
tree
is
proposed
on
eastern
avenue,
with
14
substantial
aces
planted
on
brighton
road
with
details
considered
by
your
drainage
officers
to
be
acceptable.
Now
this
will
significantly
improve
visual
amenity
and
biodiversity
of
the
local
area.
Q
Contributions
have
also
been
allowed
for
for
off-site
open
space
improvements
in
the
order
of
115
000
pounds.
This
will
also
include
on-site
art
provision
which
will
demonstrably
improve
the
quality
of
the
local
environment.
We
hope,
therefore,
that,
with
this
significant
constraints
of
development,
you
will
see
that
the
office's
recommendation
is
carefully
thought
out
and
support
them.
Thank
you
on
that
element.
A
Okay,
do
any
members
have
any
points
of
clarification
on
that?
Okay,
that's
fine!
You
can
go
on
to
to
a
statement
from
sam
sykes
again,
the
other
way
around
sir.
Q
Q
Over
the
last
30
months,
we
have
worked
very
closely
with
officers
to
produce
a
scheme
that
seeks
to
make
the
most
efficient
use
of
this
brownfield
site.
Whilst
responding
to
the
many
complex
issues
you've
heard
about
this
evening,
we
have
undertaken
over
six
pre-application
meetings
with
officers
and
two
separate
consultations
with
a
regional
design
panel
to
gain
their
support
for
the
scale
form
and
architect
the
proposals
before
you
this
evening
that
seeks
to
provide
a
gateway
to
the
east
of
shoreham.
Q
We
undertook
a
public
consultation
prior
to
the
pandemic
and
have
listened
further
to
the
local
opinion.
On
the
height
of
the
proposals,
our
scheme
is
now
lower
in
height
than
free,
wolf,
marking
the
clear
change
in
character
from
historic
shoremen
to
those
sites
that
comprise
the
western
harbour
arm.
Q
The
scheme
serves,
therefore
to
preserve
fully
the
setting
of
saint
mary's
and
the
heritage
environment
is
shoring
more
generally
due
to
the
significant
separation
from
these
key
assets
and
a
transitional
scale
of
development
that
ranges
from
three
to
nine
stories.
In
height,
the
design
responds
fully
to
the
character
of
the
locality
with
building
forms
that
mimic
the
industrial
buildings
to
the
south
with
a
material
palette
that
reflects
fully
local
typologies.
Q
The
operations
of
the
duke
of
wellington
public
house
have
been
taken
into
full
account
in
the
design
and
form
of
our
proposals,
which
have
been
agreed
with
fully
with
the
environmental
health
officers
of
the
council.
The
public
house
operates
within
existing
license
conditions
with
residential
neighbours
immediately
to
the
north
and
west.
Q
Hyde
housing
would,
however,
be
prepared
to
unilaterally
enter
into
a
deed
of
covenant
to
prevent
complaints
from
future
residents
as
long
as
the
duke
of
wellington
abide
by
their
current
licence
requirements.
I
hope,
therefore,
you
will
support
your
office's
strong
recommendation
of
approval
and
grant
consent
for
this
scheme.
That
represents
a
unique
opportunity
to
provide
159,
affordable
units
in
such
a
high
quality
scheme
that
will,
in
our
view,
enhance
the
gateway
to
sean
for
future
residents.
I
thank
you
for
the
time.
J
There
was
a
question
earlier
about
the
mechanical
ventilation
and
whether
tenants
will
have
to
pay
for
that
and
how
they
they
might
pay.
For
that.
I
guess
the
concern
is
that
given
the
high
prices
and
how
prices
of
everything
are
going
up,
someone
in
social
housing,
if
they've
got
the
option,
might
decide
to
open
the
window
rather
than
use
the
mechanical
ventilation.
Q
Thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
absolutely
a
genuine
concern,
but
obviously,
as
you
see,
the
plan
form
ahead
of
you,
which
is
the
block
next
to
the
duke
of
wellington.
That
is
the
social
rented
block
and
therefore
anyone
who's
in
the
social
rented
block
will
not
be
paying
bills
for
their
power
because
they
will
obviously
be
funded
already
by
the
council
and
in
terms
of
actually
for
hired
housing.
So
in
terms
of
the
social
rented
block,
you
do
have
a
situation
where
there
are.
Q
They
are
tenants
because
it
is
a
social
rent
block
rather
than
an
affordable
rent
or
a
shared
ownership
block
where
that
could
occur
so
in
terms
of
additional
burden
for
potential
condition,
air
conditioning
or
ventilation.
I
don't
believe
that
would
be
an
issue
at
all
on
that
western
block
at
all.
That
makes
sense.
F
Given
that
there
has
been
quite
a
lot
of
things
raised
and
pointed
out
by
james
and
and
people
who
have
spoken
so
far
with
regard
to
how
much
is
still
left
open
to
be
addressed
that
might
be
delegated
to
the
planning
offices.
A
Yeah
I
I
just
just
apologize
that
the
people
the
members
cannot
hear
you.
Can
you
just
just
slightly
louder
into
the
microphone
just
paraphrase
that
question
and
perhaps
bring
it
closer
to
you,
because,
because
I
was
hearing
several
people
can't
hear
you
I'm
afraid.
Okay.
F
Apologies,
hopefully
you
can
now
so
I'm
just
trying
to
ascertain
whether
you
have
sufficient
time
to
meet
your
deadline
of
2025
by
addressing
all
the
outstanding
issues
that
have
been
raised
and
pointed
out
by
the
planning
officers
and
other
speakers
before
the
application
is
before
us
to
approve
as
to
why
it's
not
being
done.
Thank.
Q
You
council,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
in
terms
of
timing.
Obviously,
when
you're
at
a
planning
application
stage
the
the
detailed
design
of
a
building,
is
it
our
iba
stage?
Three?
So
when
you
start
when
you're
at
a
planning
stage,
this
is
a
relatively
low
design
stage.
In
all
the
technical
reports
you
get
to
a
stage
within
planning
which
are
deemed
to
be
appropriate
subject
to
the
grants
of
planning
permission.
Q
So
in
terms
of
working
back,
we
are
still
on
in
time
with
that,
but
in
terms
of
actually,
if
we,
if
there
are
further
delays,
that
obviously
then
does
potentially
risk
the
home's
england
funding,
because
we
have
to
pause
the
design
work
to
date
and
move
forward
differently
with
different
different
technical
surveys.
But,
as
I
said,
the
officers
we
it's
a
normal
process
when
you
secure
planning
conditions
all
the
things
in
terms
of
actually
full
details
of
the
mechanical
ventilation
systems,
the
cooling
systems.
Q
F
Q
Southern
water,
as
a
obviously
as
a
statutory
undertaker,
are
obliged
to
provide
the
facilities
for
our
development.
Obviously
until
the
people,
the
connections
are
turned
on
so
to
speak.
We
are
looking
at
2025,
so
we
still
are
starting
that
process
with
southern
water,
but
they
are
statutorily
obliged
to
provide
connection
to
any
new
development
created.
I
Sorry,
I
know
you
want
to
try
and
keep
the
speakers
down
a
little
bit,
but
I
just
I
feel
compelled
to
just
check
your
understanding
on
this
mechanical
ventilation
system
and
social
housing.
Tenants,
not
paying
electricity
bills,
because
I'm
slightly
confused
by
that.
My
understanding
is
that
social
housing,
tenants
be
them
council
or
otherwise-
would
pay
their
own
energy
bills.
I
Q
J
Q
Council
or
government
in
terms
of
actually
your
your
housing
allowance,
so
apologies.
Your
housing
allowance,
you're
given
by
the
council,
is
effectively
funding
your
rent
and
therefore
the
block
is
also
then
funded
as
part
of
that.
So
your
utility
bills
are
as
part
of
your
package
as
a
social
event.
Tenant
of
a
block
like
this.
A
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
please
allow
the
speakers
to
speak.
Everyone
else
has
had
the
courtesy
please
allowed
to
speak.
I
would
ask
all
speakers,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
please.
Unfortunately,
this
room
that
we
are
using
is
not.
The
o2
is
not
a
local
system
that
has
the
best
sound
system.
We,
as
councils
are
used
to
being
up,
says
these
aren't
the
best
microphones
I'd
ask
all
members
to
please
speak
cl.
A
I
genuinely
don't
need
a
microphone
as
if
anyone
could
attend
a
test
to,
but
if
I
can
ask
all
members
to
speak
pretty
much
as
close
as
I
am
and
into
the
microphone
so
that
all
people
can
hear.
Okay,
if
I
can
again
ask
the
members
of
the
public,
please
don't
shout
out,
please
don't
use
bad
language
and
let
each
speaker
speak
when
it's
their
turn
to
speak.
Thank
you.
A
A
Good
evening,
sir,
again
once
the
microphone
goes
red,
if
you
spin
it
you've,
probably
just
heard
what
what
we
need
to
do
if
you
could
speak
into
the
microphone
clearly.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you
chair
good
evening
members,
my
name's,
my
name's
andy
hunt,
I'm
the
associate
director
land
of
planning
from
hyde
housing
association.
Heidi
is
one
of
the
uk's
leading
and
award-winning
providers
of
affordable
housing
in
london,
southeast
england
and
neighbouring
areas.
For
more
than
50
years,
we've
been
providing
and
managing
quality
and
secure
homes
at
prices.
R
People
can
afford
to
buy
and
rent
on
long
tenancies
in
london
and
the
south
east,
we're
committed
to
aida
and
actively
working
with
the
council
to
improve
both
the
sustainability
of
existing
homes
and
tenancy
sustainment.
For
example,
kerry
styling,
director
of
howard
foundation,
has
met
with
senior
fabia
director
of
communities
on
several
occasions
to
share
best
practice.
R
This
has
led
to
ada
and
worthing
councils
planning
to
adopt
our
universal
credit
tool,
which
will
help
people
access
the
benefits
they're
entitled
to
so
they
can
stay
in
their
homes.
We
have
a
proven
track
record
of
successfully
delivering
major
mixed-use
schemes
along
the
south
coast,
including
an
innovative
partnership
with
brighton
hope,
city
council.
R
R
Our
proposal
will
provide
159,
safe,
secure
and
generally
affordable
homes
for
local
people,
including
families
and
individuals
in
the
council's
housing
waiting
list.
It
will
also
offer
the
opportunity
of
home
ownership
to
people
with
a
local
connection
who
have
been
priced
at
the
local
housing
market.
R
30
of
the
homes
will
be
secured
through
the
section
106
agreement
in
line
with
the
council's
affordable
housing
policy,
and
the
council
will
have
nomination
rights
over
all
of
these
homes.
This
is
the
absolute
number
under
a
section
106
agreement,
the
remaining
70
of
the
homes
will
be
affordable
and
we
can
agree
on
informal
lettings
playing
with
the
council
in
line
with
their
housing
needs.
The
number
of
social
rent
hesp
units
needs
to
remain
flexible
as
we
are
unable
to
have
any
obligation
deliver
them
as
social
rent.
We
are
fully
committed
to
delivering
the
scheme.
R
R
R
A
H
R
Yeah,
of
course,
I
start
saying
I've
been
involved.
Personally,
this
is
our
hi.
This
is
hyde's
hyde
foundation
where
it's
a
charitable
part
of
the
of
a
high
group.
They
work
with
local
authorities
promoting
issues
such
as
the
the
the
the
universal
credit
sold,
which
is
not
my
error
speciality,
I'm
just
sort
of
stating
that's
what
we
do
on
development,
so.
I
I
You
made
that
statement
really
quite
clear
and
obviously
one
of
the
previous
speakers
was
concerned
that
we
couldn't
necessarily
deliver
that
because
of
the
the
explanation
we
had
from
mr
appleton
earlier,
but
you
you
are
extremely
confident.
So
what
reassurance
can
you
offer
everybody
that
it
would
be
seven
effectively
100,
affordable.
R
If
I
could
explain
at
the
moment,
we
have
to
go
down
the
planning
policy
compliant
route,
because
homes
england
would
not
allow
us
to
actually
enter
into
any
legal
obligation
to
deliver
100
percent,
affordable
housing.
Hence
the
sorry.
R
R
Under
the
memorandum
understanding,
we
also
have
grant
allocated,
which
is
part
of
our
hesp
on
homes,
england,
strategic
partnership
grant
funding
regime,
and
we
are
obliged
to
actually
utilize
that
if
we
fail
to
utilise
that,
then
we
will
be
penalized
by
homes,
england,
so
there's
definitely
a
hundred
percent
commitment
to
delivering
a
100,
affordable
homes,
post
planning,
approval.
A
Okay,
if
there's
no
further
points
of
clarification,
thank
you
very
much.
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
the
speakers
this
evening
on
all
sides.
Yeah,
I
think
it's
it's
been
two
hours.
We
certainly
have
one
member,
I
wouldn't
mind
myself,
I'm
going
to
call
it
a
short
adjournment,
I'll,
say
10
minutes.
For
now.
What
I
intend
to
do
is
normally
we
go
into
debate,
but
due
to
the
size
and
scale.
A
A
I
did
say
I
was
quite
noisy.
I
do
apologize.
I
I
make
that
templar.
So
we'll
reconvene
the
meeting.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
as
I
said,
we've
had
we've
had
all
the
speakers
this
evening.
What
I
intend
to
do
is,
as
we've
had
quite
a
few
speakers.
This
evening
is
hand
back
over
to
a
short
q,
a
session
for
any
member
questions.
I
know
council
borum,
you
definitely
have
one
in
case.
A
Anyone
else
has
any
other
questions
that
they
want
to
ask
mr
appleton
or
the
officers
in
relation,
perhaps
10
15
minutes
on
that
I
can
extend,
if
need
be,
it's
a
very
detailed
application.
So
councillor
borum.
C
Chairman,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
A
large
number
of
issues
were
raised
by
everybody,
who's
speaking,
both
for
and
against
this.
This
proposal.
One
of
the
things
that
struck
me
were
the
requirement
or
of
being
asked
to
defer
this
planning
permission,
given
the
outstanding
issues
stood
involved,
and
these
included
things
like
drainage
and
other
matters
like
that.
C
E
E
We've
agreed
the
condition
that's
being
recommended
by
them,
they're
happy
with
the
condition
and
as
far
as
your
officers
are
concerned,
that's
that
southern
water
comment
has
been
addressed
by
that
planning
condition
so
that
that
issue
has
gone
away
in
terms
of
the
technical
services
comments,
the
technical
services,
our
engineers
have
the
revised
calculations
for
the
revised
drainage
strategy.
They
do
need
to
see
the
strategy
updated
to
respond
to
those
calculations.
E
But
again
that's
a
matter
of
detail.
That's
covered
by
drainage
conditions,
the
point
that
hasn't
been
finally
resolved
but
we're
dealing
with
that
and
is
linked
to
the
drainage
strategy.
It's
just
being
completely
satisfied
that
the
size
of
tree
can
fit
in
the
location
shown
and
we
can
get
the
25
trees
to
the
required
height
as
discussed
and
and
that
that's
that
that's
being
resolved.
E
In
terms
of
the
other
points,
we've
received
the
ccgs
comments,
as
I've
mentioned,
about
the
size
of
contribution
towards
local
medical
facilities,
and
we've
also
agreed
with
the
applicants
that
a
condition
will
be
imposed
to
deal
with
the
detailed
design
of
the
shop
fronts.
E
So
the
there
was
on
the
original
committee
report,
page
80,
a
list
of
things
the
revised
recommendation
I'll
go
through
now.
The
decision
has
to
be
delegated
to
officers
to
complete
the
legal
agreement.
That's
what
always
happens
on
legal
agreements
and
you
will
be
used
to
that
planning
committee.
E
Thirdly,
the
signing
of
a
section
106,
section,
111
agreement,
which
is
incorporating
the
heads
of
terms
set
out
in
the
report
and
just
to
clarify
those,
because
we
have
had
later
comments.
The
open
space
contribution
of
85
000
is
for
off-site
improvements
of
play,
equipment
and
potential
for
additional
planting
on
hand.
Recreation.
E
E
The
update
I
gave
earlier
was
that,
prior
to
commencement
a
revised
energy
statement
to
be
submitted,
which
just
picks
up
their
commitment
not
to
use
gas
boilers
and,
as
a
result
of
their
changed
approach
for
electric.
E
And
then
the
other
important
point
that
was
discussed
in
particular
was
in
relation
to
the
additional
clause
of
the
legal
agreement
to
ensure
that
there
is
the
unilateral
undertaking
to
impose
a
covenant
in
relation
to
preventing
complaints
in
relation
to
the
lawful
activities
of
the
pub
next
door
and
the
live
music.
Entertainment
venue.
D
From
the
people
who
are
objecting,
we,
we
did
hear
a
great
deal
of
talk
about
us,
delegating
our
planning
or
planning
committee
decision
to
officers,
rather
than
it
coming
back
to
planning,
and
really
I
just
like
advice
on
what
items
you
we
are
giving
up
to
you
as
planning
officers
to
make
those
decisions.
Thank
you.
E
So
I
think
an
important
point
for
committee
and
for
the
public
is
that
we've
undertaken
that
under
delegation,
we
can
issue
permission
if
the
legal
agreement
signed
as
set
out
in
the
report,
if,
for
any
reason,
any
of
those
elements
are
not
negotiated
in
the
legal
agreement.
For
whatever
reason
it
would
come
back.
So
if
hse,
for
instance,
say
they're
still
not
happy,
we
will
try
to
resolve
that
with
delegation.
If
we
can't,
then
it
will
come
back
so
effectively.
F
E
Yes,
so
I
mean
obviously
the
the
agreement
with
the
ccg
is
that
we
will
seek
payment
and
pass
it
on
to
them
to
deliver
the
improvement.
So
it's
very
much
something
that
the
district
council
doesn't
deliver.
E
We
will
be
expecting
the
ccg
to
make
use
of
these
contributions
to
undertake
the
necessary
redevelopments
and
the
the
key
site
that's
been
identified
and
that
money
is
being
secured
from
other
developments
in
the
area.
Is
the
the
redevelopment
of
the
the
pond
road
site
opposite
here
and
delivering
a
new
medical
center
to
serve
sure.
A
Any
further
questions:
okay,
folks!
Well,
we
have
come
to
the
point
of
the
evening,
then
that
I
will
open
it
up
to
debate
again.
I
am
going
to
remind
members
of
the
public.
We
have
had
all
of
the
public
speakers
that
this
is
not
a
public
meeting.
It
is
a
meeting
in
public
and
I
do
not
want
to
hear
anything
from
members
of
the
public
and
if
I
feel
at
any
stage
that
my
members
of
the
committee
are
feeling
uncomfortable
loathe
that
I
will
be
to
do
it.
A
I
will
close
this
session
and
we
will
debate
in
closed
session
and
I
really
do
not
want
to
do
that.
Please.
Rest
assured!
I
don't
want
to
do
that,
so
I
don't
want
to
hear
anything
further
from
members
of
the
public
until
we
close
the
music
well
after
the
meeting
is
closed.
This
evening,
okay,
members,
we
are
now
open
debate.
The
application.
A
D
Mcgregor,
thank
you.
I
I
know
it's
very
early
on
to
propose
a
motion,
but
we
do
need
to
debate
something,
so
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
defer
this
decision
because
we
have.
We
are
asking
officers
to
decide
whether
a
matter
has
been
resolved
without
having
seen
the
report
that
provides
that
resolution
and
things
like
the
foul
water
flooding
doesn't
seem
to
have
been
resolved.
D
The
nature
conservation
survey
has
not
been
delivered
water
retention
and
tree
planting.
We
don't
really
know
about
that.
Yet
the
noise
agreement
hasn't
been
reached
and
we're
still
updating
the
drainage
strategy
so
and
we're
asking
officers
to
make
the
decisions
on
these,
and
I
I
mean
I
personally,
I
would
have
been
unable
to
attend
this
committee
if
the
height
of
the
buildings
had
been
reduced
because
I'd
already
predetermined.
D
A
Okay,
for
what
specific
reason
do
you
want
to
defer
what
part
of
the
information
that
you
have
that
or
not
been
given?
Do
you
wish
to
defer
the
the
the
decision
this
evening.
D
D
It
on
I'm
telling
you
it's
forward
emotion,
we
are
I'm
the
motion
I'm
putting
forward
is
that
we
defer
it
because
we
haven't
got
a
nature
conservation
survey.
We
have
not
got
enough
information
about
water
retention
from
the
tree
planting.
D
A
A
Well,
council
edwards,
having
been
second,
we
can.
We
can
debate
councillor
borum.
C
C
C
I
don't
see
that
as
a
major
issue
for
this,
for
this
planning
committee,
and
indeed,
we've
got
a
solution
with
the
trees
and
what
have
you
and
we're
doing
other
offsetting
work
anyway
within
ada,
so
I
will
not
be
voting
for
your
proposal
because
many
of
those
issues
in
that
list,
I
think,
are
technical
issues
of
how
to
deliver
it
rather
than
planning
issues.
Thank
you,
chairman.
D
D
We
have
the
rainwater
flooding,
we
have
foul
water
flooding
and
at
the
moment
we
do
not
have
a
tidal
defense
barrier
in
shoreham
to
protect
that
part
of
shoreham
as
well.
So
we
have
a
number
of
reasons
which
I
do
believe
are
planning
grounds
to
defer.
We
can't
reject
because
we
don't
have
the
report.
D
E
Gentlemen,
I'm
I'm
slightly
nervous
and
concerned
I'm
nervous
about
a
vote
in
in
a
moment
which
might
be
potentially
because
of
a
a
misunderstanding
about
what's
what's
waiting
for
just
to
be
clarified,
southern
water
and
foul
drainage
is
covered
by
planning
condition
and
southern
water
are
happy.
They
haven't,
objected
to
the
development
they're
happy
with
the
condition.
E
E
The
only
thing
they've
asked
is
for
the
strategy
to
be
updated
to
reflect
those
calculations,
the
nature
conservation
survey-
I'm
not
I'm
struggling
in
some
respects
to
find
that
the
the
it
is
normal
for
planning
permissions
to
impose
conditions
around
landscaping
and
biodiversity
enhancements,
and
we
have.
We
have
got
a
very
detailed,
amended
landscaping
scheme
which
shows
appropriate
benefits
in
terms
of
biodiversity
and
replacement
tree
planting.
So
I
I
am
slightly
concerned
in
relation
to
surface
water
flooding.
E
We
have
a
condition
around
emergency
plan
requirement.
The
whole
reason
for
not
having
residential
on
the
ground
floor
is
in
accordance
with
the
environment
agency
recommendations
about
floor
levels,
so
we've
addressed
the
ea's
issues
in
relation
to
that.
So
I
I'm
just
conscious
chairman
that
I
think
the
the
matters
have
been
mentioned
have
all
been
dealt
with
in
a
number
of
very
detailed
technical
reports.
E
It's
not
as
if
we're
missing
that
information
and,
as
I
said
to
my
earlier
response,
council
mcgregor,
if
there's
anything
that
comes
up
that
is
problematic,
then
it
can
come
back.
This
is
only
on
the
basis
that
those
outstanding-
and
we
are
now
down
to
very
little
on
this.
It's
only
if
anything
can't
be
resolved
under
delegation
and
if
it
can't
be,
it
will
come
back
anyway
for
committee's
consideration.
A
Thank
you
james.
I
suppose
my
point
on
on
that
and
I
have
to
say
I
don't
think
I
can
support
a
deferment-
is
that
the
only
the
only
item
that
you
raised
council
mcgregor
in
my
mind-
and
I
can
stand
to
be
corrected-
is
that
you
you
said
flooding
is-
is
a
consideration.
Well,
all
the
ground
floor
units
are
for
non-residential
use
yeah
in
any
event
from
the
papers.
So
I
don't.
A
I
don't
see
that
that
would
be
my
only
material
planning
consideration
that
you
brought
up
and,
as
I
say,
I
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
saying
well,
we
need
to
wait
for
for
southern
water
to
confirm
they're
going
to
do
something.
They
said
they're
going
to
do
and
have
to
wait
for
that
to
make
that
decision.
S
Good
evening,
I
just
heard
from
my
friend
councillor
borum.
That
said
this
is
about
planning
conditions
and
planning
points.
The
this
application
is
no
different
from
free
wharf,
howard's
or
any
other
large
development
that
we've
had
over
the
past
three
or
four
years.
It's
in
fact
it's
got
more
content
than
I've
known
most
of
those.
S
I
think
we're
at
the
stage
where
we're
not
looking
at
deferring
this
application,
we're
looking
at
making
a
decision
where
we're
going
to
are
we
going
to
keep
the
popular
tree
and
forsake
five
units,
or
are
we
going
to
go
with
not
having
the
prop
23.?
That's
where
I
think
we
are.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
I
think
there
are
a
couple
more
planning
issues
actually,
if
we
are
to
have
more
time,
for
example,
I
am
extremely
unhappy
about
the
lack
of
car
parking
spaces.
I
think
that
this
ratio.
H
It
wouldn't
work
here.
There
seems
to
be
no
idea
that
this
we
are
built.
We
will
be
building
places
that
people
will
live
in
for
many
years.
So
therefore
people
will
grow
old
in
them.
They
will
want
to
buy
electric
cars.
There
isn't
much
provision
here
for
electric
car
spaces
or
the
the
idea
that
people
will
buy
electric
cars
but
still
want
to
live
in
the
center
of
shoreham.
H
Another
issue
is,
if
I
think
we
have
a
bit
more
time,
perhaps
then
we
could
have
a
proper
assessment
of
that
noise.
That
would
come
from
the
duke
of
wellington
so
that
we
can
rule
out
any
idea
that
you
know
it
could.
It
could
be
a
bit
more
scientific
than
we
have
here
at
the
moment,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
maybes
and
recommendations,
but
they're
kind
of
a
bit
very
fairy.
H
So
I
would
like
to
see
a
proper
noise
assessment
of
the
of
what
happens
in
real
life
with
real
life
bands
at
the
duke
of
wellington
pub,
and
I
think
then
we
would
be
able
to
make
a
proper
assessment
of
whether
those
mitigating
factors
that
we
want
to
build
into
those
flats
around
will
be
sufficient
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
again,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
isn't
a
pantomime,
I'm
afraid
this
we're
debating
now.
Council
o'neil.
I,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
I
really
will
clear
this
room.
If
I
hear
any
more
disruptions-
and
I
don't
expect
to
have
to
discuss
with
people
that
I've
already
explained
that
very
clearly
to
because
so
the
next
time
that
does
occur,
clapping
cheering
musterings,
except,
I
will
simply
clear
the
room
that
that
is
your
very
last
warning.
A
Council,
neil,
my,
I
suppose
my
feeling
to
that
is
that
more
of
those
we've
heard
earlier
and
again,
I
can
defer
to
mr
afton
that
the
noise
mitigation,
our
environmental
health
officers,
are
happy
without
that
deed
of
covenant.
So
why
would
deferring
it
make
that
any
difference?
And
you
mentioned
the
other
part
there
in
terms
of
was
the
was
the
parking
yeah
well.
S
A
Is
the
application
we've
got
in
front
of
us
so
they're
saying
this
is
how
many
parking
spaces
you're
going
to
have.
So
I
can't
again
necessarily
agree
that
by
deferring
it,
the
applicants
and
suddenly
say
well
actually
I'll
I'll
squeeze
another
four
or
five
it
can
come
in
there.
Of
course,
absolutely
it's
debate.
H
Well,
the
point
is
that
that
that
base
ratio
is
actually
based
on
2011
centers
so
11
years
ago,
and
we
must
we
must
have
them
so
the
census
is
to
the
2021
census
is
due
to
come
out
very
soon.
This
would
be
an
opportunity,
perhaps
for
us
to
do
not
think
to
look
at
some
of
those
up-to-date
stats
and
build
our
modelling
around
that.
A
I
believe
that's
been
covered,
but
I've
got
sort
of
four
or
five
things
that
have
written
down
on
this,
and
one
of
them
is
parking,
and
I
cannot
help
but
think
that
every
single
time
we
have
a
major
application
in
a
sustainable
small
town.
When
all
of
you
here,
all
you
hear
about
in
the
news,
is
the
lack
of
use
of
cars,
etc
and
now
we're
arguing
wherever
we
get
0.4
of
a
car
0.6,
which
is
impossibility.
A
I
can't
help
think
we'd
be
horrific
as
a
council,
if
we
didn't
make
sure
there
was
less
parking
so
again,
I
I
that
to
me
is
not
a
reason
for
determine
anyway,
as
chairman
I've
taken
up
too
much.
I
know
councilor
nicholas
you
wanted
to
debate.
I
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
the
point
of
parking
and
this
shouldn't
really
highlight
if,
for
anyone,
actually
the
way,
I'm
thinking
about
this
whole
development,
but
I
never
thought
I
would
hear
myself
say
this
about
parking,
but
I
mean
in
full
council
I
mean
we
have
a
green
councillor
now,
for
example,
when
in
fall
council
we
talk
about
climate
change,
we
talk
about
the
the
commitment
that
district
councils
made
to
be
carbon
neutral
by
2030..
I
We
can
look
at
this
parking
issue
at
this
development
by
thinking.
Well,
there's
not
enough
parking
spaces.
Where's
everyone
going
to
park
it's
going
to
cause
problems
elsewhere,
insurance.
Of
course
we
understand
that
we
know
that
is
that
that
we
know
that
to
be
the
case.
We
can
also
look
at
it
and
think
well.
Okay,
should
we
be
having
a
responsibility
to
change
people's
mindsets
and
at
what
point
do
we
do
that?
And
how
do
we
do
that?
You
know?
I
Is
it
not
our
responsibility
to
promote
and
encourage
more
environmental
solutions,
for
example,
as
opposed
to
just
thinking?
Well,
actually,
there
aren't
enough
parking
spaces
we
need
to.
We
need
to
provide
more,
you
know
more
places
for
people
in
this
development
to
park
their
their
gas
guzzling
cars
and
trust
me.
I
I
never
I'm
the
last
person
I
expected
to
to
be
making
a
statement
along
those
lines,
but
we
have
to
get
a
there
has
to
be
a
line
in
the
sand
at
some
point
where
we
change
mindsets
and
as
a
and
as
a
planning
committee
and
as
a
council.
I
This
is
one
opportunity
to
demonstrate
that
we,
you
know
we
can
try
and
do
that
and
start
to
start
to
turn
the
tide.
Now
I
know
you
know
we
can
talk
about
how
many
light
bulbs
you've
got
on
in
your
house
and
whether
you
turn
the
tv
off
on
standby
and
whether
that's
going
to
contribute
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
at
some
point
you've
got
to
draw
a
line.
J
J
J
Some
of
them
which
do
relate,
for
example,
to
drainage
and
the
update
on
whether
we
can
plant
trees
beside
the
drainage,
whether
that
will
work
which
to
me
is
a
really
important
integral
part
of
the
of
the
proposal.
J
So
I
would
certainly
how
can
I
put
it
not
be
willing
to
vote
for
this
proposal
without
having
that
information,
and
I
think
we've
got
a
number
of
things
under
this
recommendation
going
to
the
to
the
planning
department
to
ensure
they're,
correct,
they're,
right,
everything's
fixed,
I
think
we're
getting
very
close
to
the
planning
department
making
decisions
and
I
think
it's
our
job
to
make
and
responsibility
to
to
to
make
decisions
and
for
the
planning
office
office
to
make
recommendations
and
and
advise.
A
Okay,
again,
I
come
back
to
the
point
that
if
any
of
that
is
not
done
by
the
officers
under
the
recommendation
that
we
have
today,
it
has
to
come
back
to
us
as
a
committee
anyway.
So
actually,
I
suppose
my
point
is
we
either
like
the
development?
A
We
agree
with
the
size
and
the
scale
and
the
massing.
We
agree
with
the
fact
that
there
is
part
there's
going
to
be
less
parking
spaces
that
we
are
going
to
lose
the
popular
tree
or
we
don't
I'm
a
letting
and
managing
agent,
I'm
not
the
head
of
planning
and
I
don't
expect
to
sit
and
go
through
where
the
toilet
runs
are
going
to
go
where
I
know
I'm
being
facetious
there.
But
every
part
of
everything
that
has
been
mentioned.
I
haven't
heard
a
material
planning
condition
that
that's
my
opinion,
councillor
boron.
C
I
I
agree
with
that
and
and
what
we're
leaving
the
counters
really
is
a
list
of
technical
stuff
to
do,
and
if
the
the
planning
officers
say
this
technical
criteria
has
been
met
and
we've
got,
it
got
the
right
feedback
from
the
statutory
consulting
like
southern
water.
Whatever
then,
as
you
know,
from
the
statute
consulting
if
they
say
yes,
it's
all
right.
We
have
to
accept
that.
C
A
D
Thank
you.
My
concern
over
this
is
that
we're
having
to
make
a
judgment
over
a
poplar
tree
which
is
a
mature
tree
and
replacing
it
with.
I
think
it
was
25
other
trees
and
the
problem
I
have
with
that
is
that
we
don't
know
if
we
can
plant
them,
because
we
haven't
got
the
report
to
say
that
those
trees
can
be
planted
and
they
will
not
do
something
dire
to
the
drainage.
D
So
we
don't
have
that
report
and
we're
having
to
make
a
decision
about
cutting
down
a
mature
tree
when
we
don't
know
and
replacing
it
with
other
trees
that
we
don't
know
if
we
can
plant
so
that
doesn't
sound
like
an
easy
decision
to
make.
I
mean
if,
if
the
officers
can
tell
us
that
we
have
a
report
that
says
we
can
plant
all
of
the
trees
that
are
proposed,
then
maybe
we
can
look
at
it
differently,
but
at
the
moment
I
don't
think
that's
a
factor.
Thank
you.
E
So,
chairman,
just
to
clarify
what
I
was
very
clear
in
saying
is
that
we
have
had
the
revised
calculations
in
relation
to
the
amended
drainage
strategy.
We
need
those
the
drainage
strategy
amended
to
take
into
account
those
latest
calculations,
and
in
doing
that,
we
will
also
ensure
that
the
drainage
strategy
doesn't
impact
on
the
25
trees.
So
this
is
an
emerging
technical
detail
requirement
that
is
quite
often
dealt
with
planning
conditions
to
safeguard
those
trees
so
that
the
drainage
scheme
that's
put
forward
has
regard
to
those
25
positions
of
trees.
E
Is
that
that's
what
the
scheme
the
landscaping
plan
will
incorporate
and
I
think,
to
be
honest:
I've
we've
labored
this
point
in
the
report.
Precisely
because
of
the
problems
we
had
at
mariners
point
and
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
trees
shown
in
locations
that
six
months
time
find.
Oh
there's
a
drainage
run
there.
We
can't
have
that
tree,
so
I
it
may
be
in
laboring
that
in
the
report
we
spooked
you
as
a
committee
that
we
can't
achieve
what
the
applicants
are
suggesting.
That's
not
the
case.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We've
had
a
proposal.
We
have
a
second
of
a
deferment
for
for
reasons
of
of
lack
of
information
and
our
proposal.
I
propose
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
vote
on
that.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
deferment,
please
raise
your
hands
one,
two,
three,
four,
no
one,
two
yep,
four,
all
those
against
one,
two,
three,
four
how's
the
cast.
No.
A
No,
oh,
I
apologize.
I
think
I
miscounted
I
do
apolog.
Can
we
start
again?
Apologies
for
deferred.
We
have
opposed
the
seconder.
All
those
in
favor
of
deferment.
We've
got
one.
Oh
yeah,
there's
eight
isn't
there.
There
is
eight
of
it
correct,
yeah,
all
those
against
that's
four.
So
it's
the
chairman's
casting
vote.
Okay,
ladies.
K
A
Gentlemen,
I
do
have
the
casting
vote,
I'm
afraid
so
the
deferment
is
is
is
not
carried
okay,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
on
that
basis,
I'm
quite
happy
to
to
speak
and
I
will
speak
and
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
further
debate.
I
made
mention
too,
what
were
the,
in
my
opinion,
my
my
main
factors,
which
is
why
I
couldn't
support
the
deferment.
A
I
didn't
think
it
was
fair
reason
to
defer
we
I'm
not
an
expert
in
southern
water,
drainage
matters
etc,
and
therefore
I'm
not
going
to
have
each
and
every
time
we
have
a
difference
of
a
slight
change.
Have
it
come
back
to
committee.
In
my
opinion,
we
had
we've
always
had
several
issues
on
this
development
in
terms
of
the
height
the
tree,
the
parking
the
pub
and
the
in
that
included
the
noise
that
we
have
there
and,
in
my
view
the
height
has
been
addressed.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
apology,
so
I
reconvene
this
meeting
at
just
after
quarter
to
ten.
I
think
I
it
was
me
was
it
not
so
I
I
had
in
my
opinion,
this
comes
why
I
couldn't
support
the
deferment.
A
Is
that
really
we
were
tinkering
around
the
edges
and
we
could
have
sat
there
talking
about
minor
points
that
I'm
happy
that
the
officers
would
bring
back
to
us
if
we
don't
have
resolution
on
with
through
through
the
recommendation,
so
it
always
came
down
to
height
the
tree,
the
park
in
the
pub
and
an
associated
noise
now
the
height
we
have
free
wharf
just
across
the
road,
and
I
wasn't
happy
that
it
was
higher
than
that
level
and
they've
addressed
it
in
my
view,
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
height
it's
high,
I'm
going
to
just
say
my
bit
and
then
I'll
open
up
to
everyone
else.
A
It's
debate,
that's
not
a
problem!
The
tree,
I
I
cannot
it's
a
shame
this
one
isn't
in
in
the
public
domain,
but
it'll
be
on
the
line.
So
I
can
say
that
five
six
years
ago,
I
had
a
meeting
actually
in
the
duke
of
wellington
with
the
owners
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
they
still
are
the
same
people
whereby
they
wanted
to
open
up
the
corner
of
that
pub
and
buy
a
section
of
land
and
and
use
it
for
a
brewery.
A
So
the
tree
wasn't
an
issue
then,
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
to
treat
as
long
as
we
get
the
planting
that
is
required
and
again
I
echo
every
other
statement
that
has
been
made,
particularly
cancer
edwards
in
in
terms
of
I
don't
want
saplings
little
twiggy
things
that
are
going
to
be
kicked
over.
They
need
to
be
mature
trees
to
mitigate
what
we've
lost.
A
There
should
be
a
damn
slight
lot
more
of
them,
and
it
doesn't
want
to
be
the
same
issue
that
we've
had
at
mariners
point
with
no
we're
having
to
to
go
after
them.
For
that
the
parking
I've
covered.
I
I
cannot
accept
any
time
area
comes
and
sits
in
front
of
us
and
tells
us
about
the
lack
of
parking
in
this
town.
It's
why
I
disagree
with
you
in
the
they
come
to
major
applications
and
state
that
it's
not
accepted,
we
haven't,
got
enough
parking,
etc.
A
Well,
we're
trying
to
get
away
from
the
car
we're
trying
to
get
the
use
of
it.
So
again,
I
think
that
part
of
it
is
done,
but
the
big
issue
was
the
the
pub
that,
if
suddenly
they
their
business
is
massively
affected
by
a
new
development
which
I
can't
see,
I
would
hope,
they'd
get
a
lot
of
customers
and
and
clientele
that
will
use
that
pub,
but
suddenly
they've
got
to
stop
their
like
their
music
because
someone's
complained
and
I'm
I'm
quite
happy
personally
that
that's
been
covered
under
condition.
A
So
I
I
am-
and
I
was
literally
this
is
what
I
was
going
to
say
with
a
whole
room
of
people
sat
in
front
of
us,
which
I
I
knew
I
was
going
to
get
what
I
was
going
to
get.
Sadly,
I
I
like
the
development-
I
I
I
don't
like
high-rise
full
stop.
I
don't
like
the
fact
that
we've
got
this
whole
western
harbour
on,
but
it's
in
our
local
plan.
It's
these
homes
have
to
be
filled.
If
we
get
100
affordable
from
this
scheme,
the
scheme
is
better
than
some.
A
I
didn't
like
the
one
at
the
bottom
of
kingston
lane
that
they've
done,
I
think
I
made
mention
my
son-
could
have
done
better
with
some
crayons
on
a
piece
of
paper.
So
in
terms
of
is
the
skin
growth?
Yes,
it's
quite
a
nice
building.
Is
it
going
to
do
what
we
need
in
the
fall
yeah?
It's
going
to
do
that.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
that
that
summary,
chairman
in
in
respect
of
the
height
in
a
little
bit
more
details.
I
did
not.
I
didn't
sit
on
the
original
planning
committee,
but
I
did
I
did
listen
to
it
for
my
evenings
entertainment.
C
It's
sad
though
that
is,
I
did
not
like
the
height.
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
too
high,
given
the
rest
of
the
development
etc.
I
was
concerned
about
precedence
and
all
those
sort
of
things,
but
but
given
it
is,
it
is
lower
than
free
wharf
across
the
road
marginally.
Given
that,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
top
picture,
we've
got
in
front
of
us,
you
can
see
it
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
it.
C
C
Overall,
I
think
I
think
that
the
massive
and
height
issue
has
has
been
solved
and
dealt
with
and
ada
is
a
very
cramped
town
and
if
we
don't
provide
houses
in
the
town,
where
do
we
provide
them
on
the
green
spaces
that
we've
got
so
you
know
if
we're
talking
about
sustainability?
This
is
next
to
public
transport,
and
that
is
where
you
put
high-density
housing
next
to
in
the
centre
of
towns
and
hubs
and
things,
and
of
course
you
know
the
views
across
the
river
from
from
the
beach
is.
C
C
Of
of
the
tree,
as
you
know,
we've
you
know
we
just
we've
just
bought
two
farms
and
as
as
long
as
we
continue
to
develop
the
town
and
we
have
a
net
gain
of
sustainability
and
environmental
stuff
within
ada.
That
is
the
right
direction.
We've
got
to
go
because
we've
got
to
have
a
sustainable
town
with
housing
for
people.
Our
housing
stock
is
chronically
short,
but
we've
got
to
do
it
in
a
way:
that's
sustainable
for
nature
and
the
environment
that
we
live
in.
C
So
I'm
trying
to
to
say
that
we
need
that
those
both
bits
of
sustainability
to
have
a
sustainable
community.
Frankly,
in
respect
of
the
parking
I
I
I
take
your
points,
steve
we've,
we
have
got
to
drive
habits
and
in
in,
and
indeed
there
are
many
old
people
who
live
in
the
centre
of
london
who
do
not
have
a
car,
electric
or
otherwise,
but
use
public
transport.
C
Because
it's
been
designed
for
their
needs
and
whilst
we
all
must
love
cars-
and
we
must
all
might
want
to
have
an
electric
car,
actually,
the
most
sustainable
form
of
public
transport
is
a
good
public
transport
network.
That's
frequently
don't
even
bother
to
look
at
the
time.
You
just
know
it's
there,
so
that
is
something
that
I
would
love
to
see
and
as
to
the
the
pub
I
can
certainly
understand
the
concern
it
is
a
community
asset.
I've
played
a
banjo.
C
I
know
I
played
a
ukulele
there,
although
it
did
sound
like
a
banjo
extraordinary
badly.
So
it
is.
I
know
it
is
a
community
asset
and
well
loved
by
many
people,
but
I
do
think
in
this
respect.
We
are
putting
in
steps
that
protects
both
the
pub
as
a
community
asset
and
those
are
going
to
live
by
it.
Thank
you,
chairman.
J
J
Now,
if
you're
in
the
middle
of
brighton
or
much
of
brighton,
you've
got
a
fantastic
bus
network
if
you're
in
london,
fantastic
public
public
transport
network,
I
was
looking
at
a
suburban
bit
of
london
and
realized
outside
this
block
of
flats,
and
there
was
the
station
which
had
two
two
tube
lines
and
an
overground
crossrails
coming,
and
there
were
19
bus
routes
past
it
and,
of
course,
that
area
stipulated
that
that
new
developments
shouldn't
have
car
parking.
J
But
the
thing
about
reducing
people's
dependence
on
cars
is
you
have
to
have
an
alternative
option
available
and
to
be
honest,
much
as
I
love
the
700
bus
and
the
number
two
and
the
train,
they
kind
of
go
east
west,
and
if
you
happen
to
work
in
the
center
of
brighton
or
the
port
or
the
center
of
worthing,
it's
great
if
you
actually,
as
most
people,
do
have
to
have
to
commute
to
other
parts
of
the
county.
J
Public
transport
from
shorerum
really
isn't
there.
So
I
think
it
is
fantastically
important
that
we
develop
that
that
public
transport
system,
but
it
just
isn't
there
now
and
won't,
be
in
the
foreseeable
future.
There's
200
cycle
racks
in
this
development-
great
they
just
don't
happen
to
connect
to
a
cycle
lane
what
they
will
do
eventually
one
day,
so
the
people
who
live
in
when
you
know
when
we
talk
about
the
car
parking.
J
The
people
who
live
in
those
blocks
who
need
to
get
to
work
by
car
will
buy
a
car
and
they
will
be
people
of
initiative
who'll
find
somewhere
in
showroom
to
park
it.
I
don't
know
where
it
where
it
where
it
will
be,
so
it
is
great
to
have
the
I
mean
the
aspiration
to
reduce
car
use,
but
I
don't
think
you
do
it
effectively
by
reducing
car
parking
spaces
if
there
isn't
a
real
alternative.
J
Broadly
on
the
on
the
proposal,
I
think
it's
still
too
big.
To
be
honest,
personally,
I'm
not
that
worried
about
the
towers,
but
then
I
was
brought
up
on
a
flat
on
the
10th
floor
of
blocker
council
flats
in
my
in
my
youth,
but
I
think,
for
example,
the
the
sheer
bulk
of
that
building
will
alter
the
streetscape
of
brighton
road
in
a
very
in
a
way
that
isn't
good,
and
I
think
the
fact
that
we've
had
this
discussion
on
car
parking
is
actually
indicative.
J
Also
of
the
fact
that
it's
too
big,
if
it
was
the
right
size,
we
could
manage
to
fit
the
right
number
of
car
parking
spaces
in,
but
the
development
is
simply
too
big.
It
doesn't
fit.
It's
not
a
great
gateway
building.
To
be
honest,
it's
enough
phenomenal,
exciting
design,
as
I
think
was
mentioned
somewhere
in
in
the
documents,
it's
just
an
ordinary
building,
which
is
too
big
for
that
site.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
gardener.
I'm
going
to
try
and
simplify
this
for
members.
If
I
may,
council
collins,
we
have
just
in
two
speakers,
two
quite
opposite
viewpoints.
We
we've
already
had
a
deferral
this
evening.
Can
I,
unless
you
wish
to
make
a
a
proposal
I'll
hand
over
you,
another
chance,
council
college.
S
For
the
size
of
the
footprint
of
that
development,
can
I
ask
james
to
click
on
to
the
one,
the
photograph
with
the
populatory
right
at
the
beginning.
S
That's
it
my
position
looking
at
taking
into
account
the
car
parking,
the
heights,
the
transport
where
we
are
and
the
position
of
this
site.
I
would
approve
it
like
that,
but
it's
got
the
popular
tree
that
I
would
like
to
make
a
condition
that
it
remains.
I
know
we
lose
five
units.
A
Okay,
that's
fine!
I
I
will
need
a
second.
I
have
to
say
I
will
not
support
that
for
the
mitigation
for
it,
but
do
I
have
a
seconder
for
approval,
but
with
the
remaining
with
the
popular
treaty,
to
remove
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure
we're
able
to
do
that.
Are
we?
We
have
to
determine
this
application
without
amending.
C
D
Thank
you
just
because
I
said
I
think
we
should
defer,
doesn't
mean
I
disapprove
of
this
application
and
looking
at
the
height,
I
was
very
unhappy
with
the
11
floors
proposed
and,
to
a
lesser
extent,
unhappy
with
the
parking.
So
I
spoke
to
the
head
of
planning
and
told
him,
and
I
wasn't
the
only
one
and
he
went
back
to
the
developer
and
got
a
couple
of
floors
locked
off.
D
So
I
think
that
was
a
job,
a
good
job
done,
and
it
meant
I
could
be
here
today
as
a
substitute,
because
had
that
not
been
done,
I
would
have
had
to
have
said
that
I'd
predetermined
because
I
would
not
have
approved
of
such
tall
building
with
the
parking.
I
don't
think
it's
a
planning
reason
to
reject
the
flooding.
D
The
thing
that
people
are
the
sticking
point
which
has
been
brought
up
by
councillor
collins
is
the
tree
and
we
are
talking
about
a
tree
versus
five
social,
rented
properties,
and
I
will
try
not
to
get
too
emotional.
When
I
tell
you
this,
we
have
hundreds
of
people
on
our
waiting
list
for
council
houses
at
the
moment,
but
much
more
importantly,
I
had
a
case.
D
I
am
the
armed
forces
champion
for
ada
district
and
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
I
had
a
case
of
a
I'm
going
to
be
very
circumspect
when
I
describe
this
case
so
that
the
case
can't
be
identified,
but
a
disabled,
veteran,
medically
discharged
from
service
in
need
of
social
housing,
and
we
couldn't
provide
it.
D
D
So
I
resist
anything
to
get
that
extra
five
social,
rented
properties
and
the
other
thing
we
need
to
consider
when
we're
talking
about
cutting
down
mature
trees.
Is
that
all
those
people
that
sign
that
petition
to
keep
the
tree
I'll
bet
you,
the
vast
majority
of
them,
live
in
houses
and
the
average
house
requires
the
to
construct.
That
house
requires
cutting
down
40,
mature
trees.
C
Chairman,
I
would
like
to
second
this
proposal
both
I
I
I
agree
with
much
with
what
council
mcgregor
said,
but
but
particularly
planning
issues,
but
I'm
also
very
concerned
that,
if
this
planning
permit
application
goes
to
appeal,
given
what
I
have
heard,
given
the
various
architectural
comments
in
this
paper
and
other
comments
from
from
other
people
that
the
the
council
has
has
consulted
on,
I
I
think
we
will
lose
on
appeal
and
we
will
pick
up
significant
costs
to
the
ratepayers
to
to
the
council
taxpayers
of
ada,
which
will
be
overall
to
the
detriment
of
ada
district
council.
C
A
Ladies,
I
am
going
to
move
to
a
vote.
I
think
we've
had
enough
debate
both
on
the
deferral
and
on
this
we
we
have
a
motion
to
approve.
We
have
a
seconder.
Can
all
those
favor
please
raise
their
hands
subject
to
the
amendments,
obviously
that
james
has
read
earlier.
We
have
one
two,
three,
four,
all
those
against
one,
two,
three
four
in
that
case,
thank
you
very
much
everybody.
It
rests
on
the
chairman's
head
and
the
casting
vote
and
I
will
be
voting
for
approval.