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B
B
There
is
no
fire
alarm
plan
during
this
meeting.
Therefore,
the
fire
alarm
sounds:
please
leave
via
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly
point,
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings
and
do
not
use
the
lift.
The
assembly
point
is
in
the
car
park
at
the
back
of
this,
the
Assurance
Center.
Please
remain
at
the
assembly
point
until
advised
it
is
safe
to
return
to
the
building
any
anyone
with
mobility
issues
must
head
to
the
nearest
stairwell
please
and
await
further
instructions.
Thank
you.
B
Moving
on
to
the
main
agenda.
The
first
item
is
Declaration
of
interests.
I
would
like
to
declare
an
interest
please.
As
a
trustee
of
Worthing
cap
welfare
trust,
I
have
asked
a
question
about
cat
welfare,
but
I'm
asking
that
in
a
personal
capacity
and
not
as
a
trustee,
anybody
else
got
any
declarations.
Please
no,
thank
you.
C
You
chair,
obviously
we
are
asking
questions
tonight
of
council
Aubry
regarding
Ada
homes
and
I
am
an
ADA
Holmes
tenant.
Okay,.
B
B
B
B
C
D
B
So
we
have
pre-submitted
questions
from
I
have
put
in
three
wheels
so
have
some
from
cancer
sliemann
councilor,
Buxton
and
councilor
stainforth.
Copies
of
these
questions
have
been
circulated
in
advance.
Two
members
of
this
committee,
so
we'll
now
move
on
to
those
questions
and
I
will
start
with
mine.
Please
councilor
Aubry.
So
question
number
one
I'm
aware
through
case
work
that
people
have
been
moved
into
temporary
housing
accommodation
which
lack
basic,
cooking
and
laundry
facilities.
Please
can
you
confirm
if
that
is
currently
the
case.
E
Some
homeless
people
are
for
temporary
accommodation
are
put
into
BNB,
B
and
B's
are
only
used
where
no
other
suitable
accommodation
is
available
and
where
families
with
children
are
placed
in
BNB.
We
probably
prioritize
them
moving
out
of
that
place
as
soon
as
possible
into
more
suitable
accommodation.
B
E
I
would
say
that
on
the
time
scale
side
it's
as
soon
as
another
property
becomes
available,
because
there
is
an
acute
shortage
of
not
only
temporary
accommodation
but
ordinary
accommodation
as
well.
As
we
all
know,
okay,.
E
All
properties
use
temporary
accommodation
that
we
use
come
under
the
compliance
with
the
health,
housing,
health
and
safety
rating
system.
E
Now,
unfortunately,
that
this
system
does
not
apply
all
the
rules
and
regulations
to
it
sometimes
don't
apply
to
everyone.
So,
underneath
that
we
have
the
temporary
accommodation,
placement
and
procedure
policy,
as
you
can
imagine,
and
what
this
truth
to
understand,
that.
D
E
Issues
touching
way,
yeah,
sorry
and
what
happens
is-
is
that
when
we
put
someone
in
temporary
accommodation,
we
have
to
look
at
the
location
that
we're
putting
them
into
the
size
of
the
property
they're
going
into
in
relation
to
how
many
people
are
going
in
the
condition
of
the
property
itself
and
the
facilities
in
that
property
and,
more
importantly,
we
also
have
to
look
at
the
education.
Sometimes
there
are
children
involved
and
employment
if
you're
employed
in
Ada
and
you've
been
put
up
in
bognor
Regis.
E
That
is
not
very
helpful,
and
so,
whenever
anyone
goes
into
temporary
accommodation,
there's
very
stringent
rules
as
to
where
we
can
put
them
and
unfortunately,
because
of
the
situation
where
we
don't
have
enough
temporary
accommodation,
we
sometimes
have
to
put
them
outside
of
ADA,
and
it
is
very
unfortunate,
but
it
does
happen.
B
You
said,
by
way
of
a
supplementary
essential,
daily
activities
such
as
laundry
and
cooking.
Obviously,
if
people
can't
wash
their
clothes
in
their
beddling
in
within
a
hat
within
their
own
homes,
they
presumably
have
to
go
to
a
laundrette
which
is
more
expensive.
Likewise,
if
you
can't
cook,
you
have
to
buy
takeaways,
you
presumably
have
to
buy
food.
That's
pre-prepared!
It's
the
financial
assistance
provided
to
help
them
make
up
that
shortfall.
Yeah.
E
Okay,
when
but
they
go
into
BNB,
they
will
get
the
the
breakfast
side
of
things.
But
if
you
go
into
B
and
B,
but
that's
the
only
food
that
is
provided
so.
B
F
E
E
So
when
someone
vacates
a
property,
we
go
in
to
fix
it
up.
Energy
Efficiency
is
at
the
top
of
the
list
on
that
as
well,
but
we
also
with
regard
to
some
of
our
buildings.
When
we
can,
we
get
grants
from
government
like
the
work
at
Shadwell
Court,
which
you're
well
aware
of
we
put
in
ground
Source
heat
pumps
there
and
are
also
another
property
that
we're
doing
that
to
is
toll
bridge
house
now,
these
ground
Source
heat
pumps.
E
Unfortunately,
the
tenants
really
really
put
out
by
the
work
that
has
to
go
on,
but
when
you're
changing
the
radiators
and
you're
putting
in
new
piping
and
everything
else,
it
is
very
unfortunate,
but
in
the
long
run,
I
I
see
from
this
that
I've
been
told
and
I
I,
don't
know
the
technical
side
of
this,
but
the
ground,
Source
heat
pumps
at
Chadwell
Court
they
say,
will
reduce
emissions
on
the
site
by
90
tons
a
year.
E
Now,
that's
a
good
start
and
all
of
all
of
Ada's
other
properties
that
we're
building
Albion,
Street
and
everywhere
else.
They
all
have
efficiency
when
it
comes
to
carbon
neutrality
as
well.
E
E
We
make
sure
that
that
property
is
the
standard
in
it
is
it's
raised
drastically
to
conform
with
our
pledge
of
carbon
neutrality,
and
so
this
is
why
there
are
so
many
voids
at
the
moment
and
why,
unfortunately,
it's
taking
so
long
to
get
the
voyage
numbers
down.
E
I'm
afraid
where,
where
in
a
situation
now,
that's
not
exactly
what
we
wanted
and
it's
I
think
it's
only
going
to
get
worse,
but
with
regard
to
the
rent
areas
and
all
the
other
problems
that
are
plaguing
our
tenants
in
the
past,
it's
been
very
stringent
rules.
If
you
can't
pay
your
rent,
you
you
get
a
letter
saying
you
know
the
payloads
are
going
to
come
around
everything
else.
E
E
All
of
these
things
will
be
looked
at
and
at
long
last,
there's
a
phrase
in
there
which
I
absolutely
love,
not
one
size
fits
all.
It's
got
to
the
point
where
everyone
has
their
individual
circumstances
and
their
individual
problems,
and
you
just
cannot
apply
one
rule
to
everyone.
You
have
to
look
at
it.
Case
by
case-
and
this
is
what
Ada
proposes
to
do-
and
this
will
be
coming
out
soon
for
everyone
to
read
as
well.
F
Okay,
okay
and
it's
supplementary.
Thank
you.
Yes,
thank
you,
councilor
Aubry,
where
is
that
policy
being
developed?
Who
is
it
who's
informing
that
policy
and
when
will
we
get
sight
of
it?
Please.
E
Is
doing
it
it's
in
draft
form
at
the
moment
and
when
it
comes
to
the
point
where
we
think
it's
sufficient,
it
will
be
put
out
to
consultation.
B
E
The
tenants
handbook
chapter
one
section
31
I'm
reading
this,
because
this
is
what's
been
put
down
here.
Pets
are
permitted
in
Council,
owned
properties
with
the
permission
of
the
landlord
pets
described
in
section.
One
of
the
dangerous
dog
act
are
not
permitted
permission
for
the
pet.
When
you
ask
permission
for
a
pet,
they
have
to
look
at
three
things:
whether
you're
going
into
a
house
where
they're
going
into
a
flat
or
whether
you're
going
into
sheltered
accommodation,
because
that
could
make
a
difference.
E
The
policy
now
is
not
to
allow
you
to
have
one,
because
if
you're
going
into
temporary
accommodation
and
while
you're
there,
you
get
a
pet
when
you
want
to
move
to
the
next
accommodation,
supposing
we're
moving
you
into
accommodation
that
is
not
owned
by
Ada
that
that
person
may
say
no,
we
don't
take
pets,
so
you'd
be
in
a
situation
where
you've
just
got
a
pet,
and
then
you
have
to
get
rid
of
it,
and
so
until
you're
in
a
solid
Place
with
with
the
a
secure
tenancy,
then
you
can
get
your
pet,
but.
B
Okay,
so
supplementary
question:
please
the
advice
that
you've,
just
given
us
from
the
handbook
has
that
been
updated
to
reflect
the
fact
that
there
is
new
government
legislation
relating
to
people
having
a
a
right,
a
compassionate
right,
really
to
have
pets
in
rented
accommodation.
Have
you
actually
looked
at
the
new
legislation
and
updated
it
accordingly?
I.
B
C
C
E
E
And
that's
the
difficulty
of
being
a
social
landlord
99
of
our
tenants.
Obviously,
95
percent
of
our
tenants
do
follow
the
legislation
and
they
do
take
care
of
their
their
properties
and
they
have
a
very,
very
good
relation
with
Ada,
but
we
have
some
tenants
who
just
let
the
property
go
and
Ada
under
current
circumstances
are
not
allowed
to
go
in
and
tell
them
what
to
do,
because
we
can
be
done,
I
think
for
harassment.
E
E
The
the
object
of
the
exercise
now
is
this:
if
we
go
in,
it
will
not
be
telling
the
tenant
what
to
do
we'll
be
saying
to
the
tenant.
Do
you
have
a
problem
with
this
property?
Can
we
help
you
in
some
way,
and
that
is
the
different
tact
we're
going
to
have
to
take,
because
we
cannot
allow
the
properties
to
continue
to
deteriorate
the
way
they
are.
C
You
chair
my
question
second
question:
this
relates
to
new
tenants
and
and
previous
tenants
once
a
tenant
hands
a
property
back
to
Ada
District
Council.
What
is
done
to
ensure
it
is
left,
safe
and
habitable
for
the
next
tenant.
E
As
I
was
explaining
to
the
previous
question,
the
tenancy
agreement
says
that
the
tenant
should
leave
the
property
in
good
condition
a
lot
of
times
they
do
not,
and
Ada
has
no
recourse
to
them
if
they
don't
and
even
in
the
worst
situation.
E
The
tenant
moves
out
and
does
not
tell
Ada
they're
moving
out,
and
we
only
find
out
sometime
later
when
the
Neighbors
start
to
complain,
and
at
that
point
we
have
to
go
in
to
the
property
and
and
fix
it
up,
renovate
the
whole
lot
and
often
we
used
to
be
left
with
electricity
bills
up
to
two
thousand
pounds
and
of
course
the
letters
of
the
company
wouldn't
turn
the
properties
back
on
until
it
was
paid
we're
in
negotiation
with
the
electricity
company.
Now
about
that.
E
But
the
problem
remains
that
Ada
has
very
little
recourse
to
tenants
that
don't
want
to
do
anything
or
want
to
leave
the
property
in
very
sad
condition,
and
my
great
with
this
is,
of
course
it's
not
just
the
person
moving
out.
It's
the
other
tenants
who
do
well
or
someone
who
wants
to
move
in
they're,
the
ones
who
inconvenienced
by
an
by
a
tenant
who
who
doesn't
care.
C
I
do
yes,
thank
you.
So
the
final
part
of
my
question:
what
can
Ada
do
to
ensure
new
tenants
are
not
left
to
foot
the
bill.
I
can
use
a
perfect
example
here,
my
own
property,
when
I
moved
in
six
years
ago,
cost
me
over
3
000
pounds
to
have
the
garden
cleared
of
the
hazardous
waste
and
materials
Left
Behind,
which
Ada
refused
to
clear.
E
That
situation
has
now
changed
when
I
first
took
this
over.
The
situation
in
Ada
was
that
if
a
tenant
moved
out,
the
next
person
on
the
list
was
given
the
keys,
and
they
were
told
here.
It
is
it's
yours,
regardless
of
the
state
of
the
property,
and
that
has
now
changed,
because
when
someone
moves
out,
the
property
is
now
bought
to
a
decent
standard,
that's
the
inside
of
the
property
and
if
it
has
a
garden,
the
garden
as
well,
so
that
will
not
occur
anymore.
B
G
Hi,
thank
you
chair.
My
questions
are
interesting.
Please
could
you
set
out
what
modeling
has
been
undertaking
around
the
impact
of
the
increased
cost
of
living
on
Ada
homes,
tenants
and
on
residents
in
the
private
sector?
Can
you
share
with
us
what
actions
the
council
are
taking
to
reach
out
to
Residents
to
help
mitigate
these.
E
Madam
chairman
I
I,
would
ask
very
respectfully
of
can
sustainforth
that
her
first
question
and
her
second
question
really
relate
to
health
and
well-being,
and
that
is
our
new
director,
Tina
flavier
and
Kevin
Borum,
and
most
of
it
goes
under
the
acronym
of
lift,
which
is
the
low-income
family,
tracker
and
I.
Think
if
you
were
at
some
of
the
other
meetings,
you
would
have
heard
Tina
go
on
about
this.
Basically,
what
it
is.
It
is
a
during
the
pandemic.
E
They
picked
up
a
lot
of
information
on
tenants
and
those
in
difficulty
and
the
they
now
have
a
very,
very
good
picture
of
who
really
really
needs
the
help
and
as
I
say,
that
is
more
health
and
those
two
are
more
health
and
well-being.
Questions
and
and
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
Kevin,
Borum
and
Tina
are
before
you
next
month
yeah
and
they
will
be
able
to
give
you
the
full
picture
on
that.
I
I
could
ramble
on
about
it
myself,
but
I
think
you
want
to
get
it
from
the
horse's
mouth.
E
G
I
have
two
supplementers
for
the
two
questions
too.
Yes,
you
can
thank
you
ever
so
much
so
I
know
very
much
about
Lyft,
it's
a
fantastic
if
limited
piece
of
work,
but
fantastic
nonetheless,
and
hopefully
it
will
grow
and
we
have
more
scope
in
time.
G
Lyft
has
only
just
started
to
address
Ada
homes,
tenants.
We
have
housing
officers
in
Ada
homes
and
sheltered
housing
officers
in
Ada
homes
and
I'm
wondering
what
how
we're
deploying
our
Ada
home
staff
to
to
look
out
for
those
signs
of
people
struggling
and
not
hoping
how
from
an
ada
homes
point
of
view.
That's
that's
coming
about
was
number
one
and
then
do.
E
What
happens
now
when
we
have
our
quarterly
meetings
with
about
ADA
homes
with
the
CEO
and
I,
always
invite
Kevin,
because
Ada
homes
and
health
and
well-being
cross
over
so
often,
and
they
are
the
experts
on
the
modeling
and
how
they
will
go
about
helping
the
tenants,
because
Ada
Holmes
doesn't
really
get
involved
until
you
don't
have
a
home
and
then
we're
going
to
put
you
up
somewhere
else
and
and
but
the
modeling,
and
all
of
that
is
done
by
health
and
well-being,
and
they
would
be
the
best
persons
to
answer
questions
on
that.
E
I
said
was,
it
was
the
crossover
and
yeah
health
and
well-being
are
the
experts
on
it?
Yes,
and
if
our
Aid
officers,
housing
officers,
have
any
problems,
they
always
go
to
health
and
well-being
for
assistance
or
guidelines.
Okay,.
G
G
Them
yes,
please,
but
if
you
don't
mind,
I
am
going
to
just
ask
a
supplementary
on
on
two
I.
Don't
think
that
Lyft
from
everything
that
I've
heard
in
all
the
meetings
I've
been
to
and
all
the
presentations
I've
been
to,
that
lift
are
looking
at
homelessness,
and
it
worries
me
that
we
have.
G
Well,
I'd,
like
my
question
answering,
and
maybe
that
can
be
done,
you
know
in
writing.
If
needed,
we
need
to
seriously
look
at
how
our
families
that
are
homeless
are
affected
by
the
cost
of
living
and
I.
Think
it
points
very
nicely
to
our
chairs
questions
earlier
around
the
additional
costs
that
homeless
families
are
facing.
So
I'd
like
us
to
do
a
piece
of
work
on
that,
but
if
I
could
get
some
information
about
what's
happening
at
the
moment,
that'd
be
great.
It's.
B
E
I
will
be
happy
to
do
that,
but
I
I
must
admit,
though
I
I
will
have
difficulty,
or
probably
anybody
would
have
difficulty
with
the
the
last
sentence
there
asking
us
how
many
households
are
going
to
face
homelessness
and
how
many
of
these
are
children,
I,
I,
I,
just
I,
just
wouldn't
know
that
would
be
more
of
the
modeling.
E
That's
taken
place
by
health
and
well-being,
okay,
they
would
know
which
families
are
in
distress
and
all
of
the
I'd
say
all
of
this
in
a
lot
of
information
came
from
covet
where
people
needed
help
and
they
they
either
was
able
to
help
them.
Then,
okay,.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Can
you
please
share
with
us
what
extra
funding
is
being
put
aside
for
the
increasing
need
for
temporary
accommodation
as
people
lose
their
homes?
What
new
steps
new
steps
are
being
taken
to
prevent
homelessness
and
what
more
can
be
done.
E
E
This
is
at
the
top
of
Ada's
list
the
capital
program
at
the
moment
because
I'm
sure,
as
you
were
aware,
at
Albion
Street,
we
have
two
buildings
there
and
those
buildings
are
being
totally
gutted
and
renovated
and
they
should
come
online
in
about
six
weeks
time
and
we
will
have
six
new
temporary
accommodation
units
and
you
don't
realize
the
you
probably
do
actually
realize
the
stress
that
the
officers
have
when
they
have
to
say
to
someone
I
know
you.
E
You
need
temporary
accommodation,
your
child's
at
school
here,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
go
to
bognor
Regis
that
that
just
hurts
it
really
does
it
hurts
the
officers
and
temporary
accommodation
Ada
has
to
do.
It
is
an
it's
a
it's
an
obligation
and
they're
looking
at
this
seriously
and
other
than
the
sixth
at
Albion
Street
I,
don't
know
if
you
know,
but
it's
South
Street
in
Lansing
we
have
a
a
car
park,
there
that's
hardly
used
and
we
are
looking
at
putting
in
there
eight
or
nine
new
temporary
accommodation
units
as
well.
E
So
this
is
at
the
top
of
Ada's
list,
but
until
we
can
we're
able
to
get
these
on
site
on
online,
which
hopefully
say
Albion
Street
will
be
on
soon
that'll
be
six
less.
When
we
get
South
Street
done,
that
will
be
eight
or
nine
less.
We
haven't
decided
on
that
yet,
and
Ada
is
constantly
looking
for
new
sites
for
temporary
accommodation
in
Ada,
that
that
is
the
only
solution
for
this
and
also
building.
E
As
you
know,
there
was
a
planning
application
that
went
in
I
think
last
week
or
the
week
before
there
were
no
social
accommodations
in
it
at
all.
It
was
turned
down,
of
course,
and
and
I
think
any
developer
coming
on
should
coming
on
board
should
have
a
social
conscience
and
at
least
live
up
to
their
obligations
of
30
percent,
affordable
housing.
G
Yeah
I
mean
that's,
that's
exciting
small
scale,
but
a
step
in
the
right
direction
completely.
When
are
the
South
Street
Lansing
units
due
to
predicted
to
complete
and
be
in
stock?
Do
you
think.
E
It's
in
the
planning
stages.
At
the
moment
there
were
some
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
God
in
Scotty
field,
they
wanted
to
buy
that
property
and
Ada
had
to
weigh
up
which
was
more
important
than
you
know,
selling
it
or
putting
temporary
accommodation
in
which
we
desperately
need,
and
my
instruction
to
the
officers
has
been
I've
had
my
meeting
with
Catherine
earlier
this
week.
E
H
B
I
Thank
you,
chair,
councilor,
Aubry
I,
just
like
to
ask
you
something:
I've
listened
earlier
to
why
we
have
voids
and
what
is
being
done
with
them.
But
just
today
on
social
media,
there
was
a
whole
stream
of
just
one
person.
First
of
all,
saying
insurance
that
a
house
had
been
empty
for
two
and
a
half
years.
I
It
was
an
either
property
and
then
everybody
joining
in
that
they
had
in
their
Road
at
least
two
or
three
Ada
properties
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
this
went
on
and
on
now
you've,
given
reasons
why
our
voids
are
taking
so
long.
But
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
give
out
our
our
Aida
officers
replying
to
Residents?
That
are
writing
in
as
to
why
next
door
to
them
two
and
a
half
years
on?
I
We
still
have
a
void
next
to
them,
and
is
there
any
way
we
can
get
out
to
the
residence
that
the
reason
the
void
is
still
there
is
that
it
is
being
updated,
and
this
is
the
time
it
takes,
or
in
some
cases,
obviously
we
are
still
dealing
with
Family,
Matters,
etc,
etc.
But
it
doesn't
look
good
on
Ada
when
we
are
reading.
You
know
in
almost
every
road
that
on
this
social
media
stream,
there
were
houses
from
Ada
that
were
voids
for
not
just
a
month
or
so
but
lengthy
times.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
You
councilor,
there
are
a
number
of
issues
with
voids
the
the
biggest
issue
being
that
in
normal
circumstances,
90
of
voids
would
be
classed
as
short
term,
which
would
mean
seven
to
ten
days
to
turn
avoid
around
and
re-let
and
10
would
be
Major
Works.
Where
you
need
your
your
larger
Scout
works
at
Ada.
That's
the
other
way
around
90
of
the
properties
need
major
work,
so
they
need
rewires
new
central
heating
systems,
new
windows,
insulation
that
obviously
takes
a
lot
longer
than
we
would
hope.
J
For
at
the
moment,
the
voids
are
transferred
from
Building
Services
to
an
external
contractor,
so
again
they're
finding
their
feet
with
local
suppliers,
and
you
know
the
additional
work
streams
they've
got.
J
There
are
a
lot
of
properties,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
circumstances
behind
those.
As
far
as
I
know,
if
a
resident
does
contact,
they
are
responded
to,
but
as
I
don't
run
the
void
side
of
it
anymore.
I
can't
say
100
that
happens
every
time,
but
we
do
Endeavor
to
respond
to
every
every
resident
that
queries.
E
I
I'd
also
say
that
one
of
the
major
problems
we
have
is
why
it
takes
so
long
is
because,
if
someone
dies
in
the
property
we
are
not,
we
do
not
get
back
the
keys
or
allowed
to
go
into
the
property
until
probate
is
done,
and
that
could
take
a
year,
maybe
more
and
so
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
the
circumstances
surrounding
it
and
because
believe
you
me,
we
we
want
to
get
the
Ada
list
down
the
waiting
list
down
and
spending
all
of
this
money
on
properties.
E
I
mean
we're
now
into
reserves.
We're
over
I
think
over
a
half
a
million
sorry
we're
over
a
behind
on
rent
by
nearly
half
a
million
rent
areas,
nearly
half
a
million-
and
it's
just
one
thing
after
the
other.
But
with
regard
to
the
voids,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
for
myself
and
I
did
ask
for
it.
I
haven't
received
it
yet
there's
a
list
of
all
the
voids
so
that
they
can
be
kicked
off
immediately.
They
become
done
and
also
adding
to
them.
E
Sorry,
it's
Akin
he's
he's
just
cut
in
but
voids
are
a
major
problem
and
it
does
not
look
good
on
Ada
when
you're
living
next
to
a
property.
That's
been
void
for
six
eight
months
and
you
can't
see
anything
being
done.
J
I
J
K
K
Apologize
for
the
appointment,
which
I
had
to
call
to
come
with
with
her
but
I
have
been
following
the
meeting
through
YouTube
well,
I
have
I
had
the
comments
on,
and
just
a
few
things
to
to
clarify
that
that
one
we
do
have
a
lot
of
the
number
of
reasons
for
one.
We
we're
doing
the
voice
with
different
standards
now
I'm
surround
as.
K
Avoids
and
increase
the
style
of
The
Voice.
We
are.
We
have
now
one
of
the
challenges
we've
had
in
the
past,
with
the
boys
planes
from
talents
the
whenever
we
give
them
a
property.
There
are
loads
of
issues
with
those
properties
and
I
think
raise
a
comment
to
one
of
those
properties
of
so
the
contractors
we're
using
are
doing
them
to
a
very
sense
spec,
and
so
they
we
know,
there's
a
lot.
There's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
to
to
bring
those
voids
and.
K
E
I
I
think
the
the
one
of
the
other
points
which
I
failed
to
make
I
do
apologize,
is
asbestos.
A
lot
of
the
old
buildings
have
asbestos
in
them
and
there's
a
very
stringent
law
about
how
you
can
deal
with
this
okay
and
but
it's
not
just
one
thing.
It's
a
number
of
things
that
that
are
that
are
in
place
that
are
causing
the
the
delays
and
getting
them
getting
them
done.
E
But
I
I
do
think
that
Council
has
always
suggested
that
we
inform
or
let
the
counselors
know
what
voids
are
in
their
area,
so
that
when
someone
asks
them
a
question,
they
can
answer
it
saying.
Yes,
there
is
a
void
there,
and
this
is
the
reason
why.
B
L
K
L
B
Thank
you,
I,
don't
know
whether
Worthing
members
can
ask
questions
relationship.
Okay,
that's
cool!
She
can
yeah.
Of
course
you
can
counselor
Stone
Falls.
G
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
I
forgot
what
I
wanted
dear.
Oh,
yes,
no
voids
I
think
this
is
the
third
meeting
I
brought
this
up
at.
We
were
promised
a
weekly
Voyage
report
now
I
think
Weekly's
too
much
I'd
settle
for
monthly
I.
G
Think
we
agreed
in
the
last
meeting
of
the
meter
before
that
we
we'd
settle
for
a
monthly
voids
report,
because
that
would
satisfy
a
lot
of
what
that
councilor
Aubry
suggested
in
terms
of
us,
knowing
what's
where
in
the
Ward,
so
that
we
can
field
some
of
those
questions
and
so
that
we
can
know
when
we
have
people
asking
saying
that
their
daughter's
homeless
and
there's
this
empty
property.
We
can
just
field
that
and
deal
with
it
and
we
we
can
respond
to
complaints.
So
we've
been
promised
this
numerous
times.
E
Yes,
I
I
do
remember
a
councilor
asking
for
this,
but
when
akan
had
his
last
meeting
here
and
I
will
deal
with
it.
F
Can
I
just
comment
that
several
weeks
ago,
not
many
weeks
ago,
maybe
a
month
I
spoke
to
Karen
standing
about
this
and
she
remembered
the
request
and
she
recognized
that
the
councilors
hadn't
actually
just
been
put
on
the
mailing
list,
and
we
now
are-
and
there
is
one
due
any
moment.
I
Thank
you,
chair
councilor
Aubry,
you
mentioned
with
properties
that
ADA
were
not
allowed
and
when
we
were
talking
about
the
state
of
how
they
were
left
or
how
they
were.
Indeed,
while
people
were
still
living
in
them,
you
mentioned
that
ADA
could
not
go
in.
I
They
were
not
allowed
to
give
a
report
or
to
look
at
the
property
as
to
how
it
was
being
kept
to
the
standard
that,
indeed,
if
they
were
given
a
new
property
that
it
was
kept
to
that
standard,
is
this
do
Ada
look
at
how
other
councils
deal
with
this?
Is
this
best
practice
that
we
cannot
go
in
and
look
at
properties
and
give
advice
to
the
tenants
that
they're
not
keeping
it
up
to
a
standard?
I
If
we
can't
go
in
and
assess
those
properties
are
being
looked
after
to
the
standard,
we
would
hope
they
would
be
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
will,
but
there
will
be
some
people
that
don't
these
properties
are
very
soon
going
to
deteriorate
if
we
cannot
look
at
them
and
suggest
to
the
tenant
that
perhaps
they
could
do
something
a
little
bit
more.
Thank
you
chair
thank.
E
Absolutely
correct
and
as
I
said
earlier,
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
our
properties
are
in
the
state
they're
in
now,
because
we
are
not
allowed
to
insist
that
the
tenants
I'll
give
you
a
classical
example.
You
go
across
the
road
here
to
Cecil
Norris
house
or
supposed
Flagship
15
new
Flats,
two
of
them
being
townhouses.
Someone
has
hung
over
the
balcony
pieces
of
canvas.
E
And
it
looks
Dreadful
absolutely
Dreadful
and
I
said
to
the
head
of
housing.
Can
we
please
get
them
to
take
it
down?
It's
it's
really.
Lowering
the
area
I
was
told
we
can
ask
them
to
take
it
down,
but
we
can't
tell
them.
M
Yeah
I
appreciate
I'm,
not
mentioning
Ada
Homes
at
all.
Okay
I
promise,
I'm
just
as
the
first
co-chair
of
josk
and
as
the
last
executive
member
for
for
customer
services,
which
included
housing.
I
am
sitting
here,
wondering
how
you,
as
co-chairs,
are
going
to
meet
the
challenge.
It
is
unfortunate
and
for
whatever
reasons
we
know
where
the
date
of
the
meeting
was
moved,
we
have
missed
so
much
richness
of
the
difference
between
the
housing
policy
in
in
learning.
At
the.
E
M
Sorry
as
an
overview
and
scrutiny
committee
I
just
wonder
how
we're
going
to
actually
scrutinize
housing
across
both
councils
when
we've
had
a
wealth
of
information
from
Ada
homes
tonight,
but
at
some
later
date
we're
going
to
get
the
information
about
Worthing
and
it's
such
an
interesting
comparison
between
Worthing
and
Ada
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
can
do
our
duty
here
on
scrutiny
when
it
is
so
disparate.
So
how
can
we
revisit
the
conversation
here
or
whatever,
when
the
the
member
for
Citizen
Services
comes
to
talk?
Do
you
see
what
I
mean.
C
B
Mean
it
is
historic
and
we
do
have
an
ADA
homes
working
group,
which
was
set
up
quite
many
moons
ago
three
years
ago.
Probably
so
we
have
done
that
in
depth
so
nearly
four
years
ago,
so
we
we
deliberately
set
up
that
working
group
to
acknowledge
the
fact
that
we
can't
scrutinize
in
any
great
depth
within
this
committee,
for
the
reasons
that
you've
just
outlined
really
councilor
Aubry.
E
I
I
think
one
of
the
major
problems
that
we
have
is.
We
are
a
social
housing
provider
yeah,
whereas
organizations
that
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
the
name
of
the
birthing
homes
it
it
operates
under
a
different
system.
E
They
have
a
lot
more,
not
control,
but
they
have
a
lot
more,
but
they
do
have
a
lot
more
control
over
the
properties
and
what
the
tenants
obligations
are.
Then
we
do.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
input,
okay,
okay,
so
moving
on
to
the
next
agenda
items
which
are
numbers
eight
and
nine,
we
were
due
to
interview
the
Worthing
Cabinet
member
for
Citizen
Services,
and
also
the
wording
Cabinet
member
for
culture
and
Leisure.
Unfortunately,
because
we
had
to
rearrange
the
meeting
at
short
notice.
Both
of
these
cabinet
members
are
unable
to
attend
this
evening
due
to
prior
commitments.
However,
we
will
reschedule
them
for
later
on
in
the
municipal
year.
I
don't
think.
B
E
May
I
say
one
more
thing:
please.
Yes,
you
may
to
all
the
Ada
members.
If
at
any
time
you
have
a
problem
with
anything
to
do
with
Ada
homes
that
you
do
not
get
a
reply.
If
you
go
through
the
normal
process
of
contacting
the
offices-
and
you
do
not
get
a
reply,
please
let
me
know:
okay.
B
H
B
B
A
lot
of
meetings
and
a
lot
of
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
Joe
Lee,
please
to
present
the
report,
and
we
will
then
consider
the
proposed
changes
to
the
various
sections
over
to
you.
Please
Joe.
O
Good
evening
members
you
have
before
you
at
gender
writing
10
a
report
from
the
interim
head
of
legal
and
monitoring
officer
who
has,
with
myself,
been
working
with
the
working
group
of
the
joint
governance
committee
to.
H
O
The
Constitutions
we've
had
some
fairly
lengthy,
lengthy
discussions,
robust
healthy
conversation,
I
think,
with
the
exception
of
one
item
which
I
have
given
to
you
this
evening,
by
where
the
next
cert
from
The
Joint
governance
and
audit
committee
report,
which
is
going
on
the
27th
of
September.
O
O
If
anybody
wants
to
stop
me
and
ask
questions
on
the
way
or
should
we
just
take
you
through
the
whole
lot?
First,
because
there's
quite
a
bit
yeah,
there
is,
shall
we
take
it
one
step
at
a
time.
Let's
look
at
artificial,
let's
look
at
article
six,
which
refers
to
the
Amendments
for
the
overview
and
scrutiny,
and
it
sets
out
the
general
role.
So
the
blue
highlighted
bits
are
the
additions
that
the
working
group
have
agreed
to
refer
to
the
Joint
governance
committee.
O
I
think
they're
fairly
self-explanatory
at
603
e,
an
addition
that
that
scrutiny
perform
scrutiny,
functions
relating
to
crime
and
disorder
and
to
scrutinize
the
aid
of
unworthing,
safer
communities,
partnership
partnership,
which
is
very
straightforward
and
moving
down
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
committee
has
16
members
and
it
sets
out
there.
O
I
won't
read
it
to
you
verbatim,
but
it
sets
out
their
rules
around
membership
just
to
tidy
things
up
and
and
ensuring
that
no
members
should
be
involved
in
scrutinizing
a
decision
that
they've
been
directly
involved
in
as
part
of
the
executive
and
in
relation
to
the
Articles.
Those
are
the
only
two
amendments.
Are
we
happy
to
say
that
they're
they're
agreed?
Would
you
like
to
yeah
make
any
comments
at
this
stage?
Councilor.
B
M
A
lot
of
work
for
mother
on
page
23,
it
says
602.
The
council
has
appointed
novian
scripting
committee
and
jointly
with
the
boroughwood,
a
council
of
Worthing
and
it's
Worthing
by
a
council,
a
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
committee.
So
it
appears
to
have
been
written
from
an
aid
a
perspective.
So
I
am
a
bit
confused.
Yeah.
O
Apologies
I
should
explain.
You've
you've
got
the
extract
from
the
Ada
Ada
Constitution
attached
to
this
report
this
evening.
The
Worthing
Constitution
will
be
exactly
the
same.
Apart
from
where
it
says,
Ada,
it
will
say
Worthing
and,
and
vice
versa.
So.
M
603
on
page
24,
the
very
top
bit
it
says.
However,
no
member
may
be
involved
in
scrutinizing
a
decision
which
they've
been
directly
involved
in
or
which
they
have
personal
or
pecuniary
interest
in
well.
That
surely
comes
in
our
counselor's
declaration
and
I
wonder
why
that
needs
to
be
added,
but
there's
just
a
reflective.
O
I,
do
I
believe
that
this
was
debated
obviously
by
the
working
group.
It's
something
that
they
felt
would
be
quite
useful
to
clarify
situations
where
members
have
relationships
or
personal
connections
with
other
other
members,
and
it's
just.
It
was
just
felt
as
an
addition
to
tidy
to
tidy
it
up
in
relation
to
scrutiny
and
the
scrutiny
of
those
decisions.
O
I
think
well
what
we
have
here:
the
articles
of
the
Constitution
and
then
again,
I
I,
use,
saying
where
it's
repeated
in
the
overview
and
scrutiny
rules
and
the
scrutiny
rules.
I
think
they're
there
to
they
have
to
be
standard
yes
and
uniform.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Sparks,
you
had
your
hand
up.
P
I
did
Chairman.
Thank
you.
It
was
really
very
much
in
the
same
vein.
I
was
wondering
why
there
was
no
papers
for
Worthing,
okay,
so
everything
the
Opium
scrutiny
is
all
later
the
procedurals
are
all
Ada.
Obviously
the
joint
is
is
fine.
That's
both
councils,
but
clearly
I
wondered
why
there
were
no
Worthing
papers.
Okay,.
O
Yes,
yes,
counselor
Sparks
I
can
assure
you
I'm
I.
Do
apologize.
I
should
have
perhaps
raised
that
point
right
at
the
beginning,
but
they
are.
They
are
exactly
the
same
with
exactly
the
same
comments
and
both
the
Ada
and
the
Worthing
constitutions.
With
exactly
the
same
comments
we'll
be
going
to
the
Joint
governance
committee,
I
think
just
to
save
paper.
O
So
if
we
turn
now
to
page
26-
and
we
refer
to
the
overview
and
scrutiny
procedure
rules
in
many
ways-
there
are
going
to
be
repeats
here
in
the
joint
overview
in
scrutiny
procedure
rules.
O
It
talks
about
selecting
members
to
sit
on
scrutiny,
and
these
are
the
requirements
and
wants
of
the
working
group
for
attendance
now
at
3.3.
We
have
that
paragraph
in
relation
to
the
chair
at
the
joint
governance
working
group.
O
O
There's
obviously
benefit
in
having
the
chair
of
scrutiny
being
an
opposition
member,
because
it's
the
executive
that
are
making
the
decisions
at
the
same
time
we're
in
a
political
group-
and
there
are
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
is
be
obliged
to
offer
it
to
an
opposition
member
when
there
might
be
an
absolutely
perfect
person
to
be
chair
who
is
who
is
not
an
opposition
member?
So
if
I
can
just
refer
you
please
to
the
addendum
that
I
shared
out
earlier.
B
Okay,
any
questions
or
any
comments,
please
councilman.
O
B
O
O
M
O
O
How
the
chair
is
going
to
be
appointed
for
joint
over
being
scrutiny,
so
the
working
group
have
referred
these
options
to
Joint
governance.
Now
it
may
well
be
that
the
joint
over
being
scrutiny
committee
has
its
own
preference
about
which
options
joint
governance
might
adopt
or
recommend
to
full
Council
councilor
slumen.
F
Thank
you,
I
just.
F
Exclusive
and
I,
you
know
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
the
necessary
expertise
and
skills
and
I
also
think
that
that
you
know
that
that
can
be
found
in
in
opposition
groups
and
I.
F
Don't
think
that
they're
mutually
exclusive
and
I
have
some
other
thoughts
around
the
subject
that
aren't,
you
know,
I'm
not
as
well
informed
as
some
people
in
the
room,
so
I'm
open
to
being
told
that
I've
misunderstood
or
that
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm
wondering
how
a
majority
party
can
objectively
evaluate
the
skills
that
an
opposition
party
might
have
in
Sharing.
If
we've,
never.
If
an
opposition
party
I
say
we
in
opposition
now,
but
whichever
opposition
party
is
never
given.
F
The
opportunity
to
chair
and
I
also
have
some
questions
about
whether
a
scrutiny
committee
that
is
chaired
by
a
majority
party
perhaps
undermines
The
credibility
and
the
impartiality
and
the
function
of
what
we
do
here
and
also
perhaps
I've
taken
it
slightly.
Personally,
it
implies
a
little
bit
of
a
lack
of
trust
and
faith
in
the
professionalism
and
skills
of
your
colleagues.
F
You
know,
because
we
are
all
colleagues
and
it
is
part
neutral,
so
you
know
have
some
thoughts
around
that
and
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
other
people
think
in
response
to
that
and
I
also
a
question
what
grounds
we
have
if
National
guidance
determines
what
is
good
practice.
What
grounds
do
we
have
to
prioritize
and
elevate
a
contrary,
opinion
to
the
well-informed,
well-regarded
and
neutral
local
government
Association
who
have
decided
what
is
best
practice
so
I'm
just
you
know
a
few
thoughts
all
bundled
together
there
for
you
and.
B
Thank
you,
cancer,
sliemann,
councilor,
Howard.
Q
To
have
an
opposition
chair
and
I
thought
the
bone
of
contention
was
that
ADA
didn't
want.
An
opposition.
Chair
did
I
understand
that
correctly.
At
the
discussion.
O
At
the
working
group,
the
Worthing
members
were
more
keen
yes
to
have
an
opposition
chair.
The
Ada
members
were
not,
but
there
were
pros
and
cons
put
forward
for
both,
which
is
why
they've
decided
that,
as
a
working
group,
they'll
put
that
decision
to
the
Joint
governance
committee
and
full
Council
and.
O
B
L
Well,
I'll
just
clarify
on
that
case,
Josh,
sorry
chair.
What
I
see
before
us
now
is
that
the
member
for
Worthing
is
the
ruling
party.
So
where
your
are
the
opposition
at
the
moment,
I
don't
see
that
across
the
board.
D
M
M
M
Feeling
very
uncomfortable
that
I,
don't
just
I,
don't
disbelieve
our
legal
advisor,
but
we
are
asking
being
asked
to
make
decisions
on
something
we
haven't
seen
and
it
may
be
exactly
the
same,
but
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
the
wording
members
were
sent
a
copy
of
the
Worthing
guidelines
so
that
we
could,
if
we
don't
respond
within
48
hours,
then
we
don't
respond
and
it
stands.
But
it's
not
good
scrutiny
to
be
told
it's
the
same
and
we
don't
know
it.
O
I
can
certainly
arrange
for
the
exact
same
copies
to
be
sent
to
you
from
the
Worthing
Constitution
and
I.
I
should
note
that
the
Worthing
Constitution
and
the
Ada
Constitution
the
drafts
are
now
online
published
with
the
joint
governance
committee
report
for
review.
If
that
assists,
the
whole
thing
is,
is
now
published.
L
Yes,
for
you,
chair,
I,
would
feel
exactly
the
same
way
if
the
papers
in
front
of
us
were
were
were
then
based
and
as
a
a
District
Council
of
raider
I
would
be
up,
be
asking
exactly
the
same
thing.
So
I
I
agree
with
my
colleague.
B
M
Actually,
mine
relates
to
3.2,
because
I
think
we're
actually
tying
ourselves
up
in
nooses
here,
because,
with
your
Landslide
victory
in
the
last
election,
you
had
a
huge
stash
of
new
members
who
didn't
had
never
heard
of
the
word
joint
overview
in
scrutiny
before
they
arrived
and
I
think
to
sort
of
start
saying
they
possess
the
requisite
expertise,
commitment
and
ability
to
activate.
How
do
we
know?
How
do
they
know?
Do
you
know
what
what
they're
stepping
into,
and
that
is
not
denigrating
the
new
members
and
I
congratulate
them,
but
you
know
it
it's.
B
O
I
think
just
to
clarify
that
this
is
only
really
for
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
committee
to
consider.
The
working
group
has
debated
a
lot
of
this,
which
is
why
these
two
recommendations
are
being
put
to
the
Joint
governance
committee
unless
there's
anything
particular
that
you'd
you'd
want
to
debate
and
amend
as
a
recommendation
for
joint
governance
committee
to
consider
these
are
the
debates
that
will
also
take
place
at
joint
governance.
G
I'd
just
like
to
Echo
what
councilor
Mercer
said
and
and
point
out
also
that
the
first
section
of
5.2
is
substantive
substantially
substantively
the
same
as
3.2
anyway.
I'd
move
that
we
we
strike
out
3.2
and
the
first
section
of
5.2.
B
Well:
okay:
we
don't
even
like
to
second
that
please
councilor
Mercer,
okay,
now
open
it
for
further
debates.
Anybody
else
like
to
say
anything
further
on
it.
D
I'm
happy
confused
because
3.2.
D
C
A
G
A
B
O
The
next
amendment,
in
the
overview
and
scrutiny
procedure
rule
is
literally
to
add
the
same
text.
That's
in
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
rules
in
relation
to
additional
addition,
additional
items
to
the
work
program.
So
there's
there's
nothing
particularly
new
or
controversial.
In
that
point,
I,
don't
know
anybody
wants
a
little
time
to
just
read
that
through,
but
it
is
fairly
straightforward,
non-controversial
Edition.
B
M
I
think
it
takes
us
back
to
whether
you
who
you
have
on
the
issues
of
further
consideration
paper
about
whether
you're
going
to
have
a
political
appointee.
As
the
chair
or
your
you
know,
you
you've
got
somebody
who's
just
neutral,
because
the
ability
of
the
committee
to
have
influence
or
add
value
to
the
subject.
There
is
a
problem
if
there's
a
political
imbalance
or
there's
a
possible
chance
of
that
happening,
but
I
think
I'm
8.3.
M
The
most
important
bit
is
that
if
we
really
are
going
to
scrutinize,
there
has
to
be
resources
available
and
that
I
think
has
to
be
really
beefed
up,
because
there
could
be
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
were
stopped
from
doing
because
there's
no
resources.
Thank
you.
O
And
this
really
is
a
new
procedure
that
has
been
put
into
the
overview
and
scrutinum
rules
and
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
rules.
So
it's
the
same
in
both
documents,
but
basically
it
is
enabling
a
Minority
Report
to
go
back
to
the
executive.
If,
for
example,
something
is
scrutinized
and
you're
reporting
back
to
the
executive
and
not
all
of
the
committee
are
in
agreement.
O
So
it
it's
just
a
way
of
showing
that
there
was
dissent
from
from
some
of
them
some
of
the
members,
whereas
at
the
moment
it's
a
pass
or
not
pass,
it's
a
vote
through
or
not
vote
through
here.
This
is
enabling
I
think
it's
up
to
three.
O
You
have
to
forgive
me
because
it's
a
while
since
I
read
this
I
think
it's
up
to
three
members
that
are
yes,
more
than
so
no
fewer
than
three
voting
members
of
the
committee
can
submit
a
Minority
Report
at
the
same
time
as
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
committee
are
reporting
back
to
the
executive.
D
M
I
actually
didn't
look
at
page
29,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
sticks
out
in
this
report
from
previous
roles
is
the
role
of
the
chair
and
the
power
the
chair
has
and
the
decision-making
power.
So
it
talks
about.
You
know
I,
just
wonder
whether
there's
any
implication
for
the
on
the
chair
by
failing
to
respond
to
members
or
failing
to
this
or
that
so
that
they
appear
to
have
many
more
new
powers
which
circumvent
the
importance
of
the
committee
and
I.
Just
wanted
that
to
mention
that.
O
O
D
D
D
O
A
Not
being
present
at
the
commit
the
subcommittee,
we
can't
really
I
can't
really
comment
on
that,
although
I
would
say
that
five
working
days
is
generally
A
good
rule
of
thumb
for
things
being
published
and
reported
generally
in
other
areas.
But
if
you
felt
that
that
was
too
short,
you
could
of
course,
recommend
a
a
different
time
frame
to
the
Joint
governance
committee.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think
the
five
working
days
actually
becomes
more
relevant
when
you
move
along
and
look
at
12.8,
which
is
that
the
Drafting
and
submission
of
The
Minority
Report
Remains
the
responsibility
of
the
members
who
have
proposed
it
and
not
Democratic
services,
so
you're
doing
that
unsupported,
which
actually
is
a
different
thing
again,
because
it's
that's
it's
quite
an
undertaking
and
it
may
be
I,
don't
know
if
there's
room
to
amend
that
to
with
support
from
democratic
Services,
rather
than
maybe
not
just
going
well.
F
Democratic
Services
need
to
do
it,
but
I
think
that
you
know.
If
we
want
a
report
that
is
useful
and
you
know
going
to
do
its
job,
then
people
might
need
some
support
to
do
that,
especially
if
it's
within
five
working
days.
A
Jay
I
mean
you
could
recommend
either.
Obviously
you
need
to
consider
resources
of
democratic
services
to
support
that,
so
you
you
could
do
either
with
that
in
mind,
or
you
could
just
extend
the
time
limit
in
which.
B
Q
I
think
to
do
an
alternative
report
in
five
working
days.
Isn't
enough
time
you
get
to
see
the
report,
you
see
that
it
doesn't
fit
with
what
you
have
understood
if
you're
a
member
of
the
working
group-
and
you
want
to
say
I-
don't
accept
that
and
I
want
to
come
back
with
my
arguments,
but
you
don't
have.
The
working
group
have
had,
however,
long
months
to
come
up
with
their
report,
with
the
support
of
democratic
services
and
you've
got
to
write
a
Minority
Report
in
five
days.
H
H
A
And
I'm
sure
you
may,
the
committee
may
wish
to
consider
that
a
short
period
of
time
prevents
things
being
held
up
overly
unnecessarily.
A
But
you
could
but
I
mean
you
could
say
10
working
days
with
the
support
of
officers
to
produce
it
it.
It
may
be
that
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
think
about
what
circumstances
would
would
mean
that
my
ownership
report
is
necessary.
Is
there
a
small
part
of
the
report
in
these
changing
in
somebody's
view,
or
is
the
entire
report
need
changing
in
somebody's
view,
in
which
case
10
working
days
isn't
going
to
be
enough?
B
Okay,
we
have
got
some
hands
up,
I
can't
see
whose
hands
are
up,
but
we'll
go
back
to
councilor
Howard
because
she
may
want
to.
If.
Q
We
can
say
that
we
don't
we're
not
happy
with
it
and
we'd
like
to
prepare
a
Minority
Report.
It
really
depends.
You
just
said
whether
it's
one
little
bit
or
whether
it's
the
whole
thing
or
where
you
want
to
rewrite
it
entirely
and
I
think
we
have
to
be
able
to
cover
the
fact
that
in
some
cases,
that
might
be
the
case
and.
B
O
Just
thinking
Chris
out
loud
as
we
are
having
a
debate
on
this,
whether
or
not
the
sensible
thing
is
The
Minority
Report
to
be
I
mean
the
majority
report
is
going
to
be
delivered
to
the
committee,
whichever
committee
it
is,
it's
got
to
be
delivered
in
time
for
publication
for
the
the
agenda
and
the
items
relevant
to
that
committee,
and
it
might
be
more
sensible
to
just
ensure
that
Minority
Report
is
delivered
in
time
for
publication
for
the
relevant
committee.
O
R
B
S
Using
and
giving
a
minority
group
a
month
to
produce
a
report
is
an
opportunity
or
could
it
could
it
not
be
used
as
an
opportunity
by
members
to
delay
to
prevaricate
to
actually
and
interfere
with
the
Democratic
progress
process
if
it
was
used
in
a
sort
of
obstructive
way,
and
and
would
it
not
be
a
better
I
would
move
a
week
with
Democratic
support
would
be
quite
long
enough
to
produce
Minority
Report.
S
Q
B
R
I
was
just
going
to
make
a
point
about
it
and
I
I
do
agree
with
councilor
Glenn
Davis
on
this,
that
it
is
a
Minority
Report.
So
if
we're
talking
that,
there's
going
to
be
no
fewer
than
free,
if
we're
going
to
get
a
group
of
three
people
agree
with
disagree
with
an
entire
report,
I
think
hypothetically,
that
would
be
quite
a
rare
scenario.
A
Yeah
so
where
it
says
five
working
days
and
12.5,
it's
been
suggested
that
that's
changed
to
a
week
and
in
12.9,
sorry
in
12.8,
the
drafting,
submission
and
large
report
Remains
the
responsibility
of
the
members
who
have
proposed
it
and
not
Democratic
Services.
If
I
may
suggest
a
an
insert
there,
Democratic
services
will
provide
assistance
in
producing
the
report.
C
A
H
O
Obviously,
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
will
be
interviewing.
All
sorts
of
people
executive
members
included,
and
this
really
has
just
been
included
so
that
we're
a
political
group
or
party
whip
has
been
applied.
M
M
O
O
Who
want
to
get
that
decision
reviewed
it
in
place
of
that?
We
go
on
to
say
that
a
matter
may
not
be
called
in
if
it
has
already
been
considered
by
the
scrutiny
committee
or
if
the
decision
is
urgent
and
any
delay
would
Prejudice
the
interest
of
the
council
or
the
public
in
the
opinion
of
the
monitoring
officer,
and
then
a
decision
will
relate
to
a
matter
which
is
urgent
and
it
gives
some
criteria
there.
O
It's
it's
to
assist
in
more
robust,
more
transparent
decision
making
I've.
Given
you
all
the
opportunity
to
read
it
and
that's
take
any
comments.
M
Yeah
as
somebody's
scrutinize
a
lot
of
documents
in
their
life,
if
the
association
is
urgent,
we
have
no
definition
of
what
urgent
is.
A
O
B
O
O
That's
17.6
just
a
small
addition,
so
that,
in
the
absence
of
the
chair
of
the
council,
so
in
the
absence
of
in
the
absence
of
the
chair
of
the
overview
and
scrutiny
committee,
the
vice
chair's
consent
is
required
for
the
exemption
from
calling
and
in
the
absence
of
those
chairs,
it'll
be
the
chair
of
the
council
or
in
their
absence,
the
vice
chair,
and
that
addition
has
been
made
at
17.9.
O
O
O
I
think
we'll
find
going
through
this
that
pretty
much
everything
is
the
same.
So
we
have
the
same
comment
at
3.2
3.3
in
relation
to
the
chair,
so
we
can
take
away
the
comment
that
we've
already
agreed
with
the
overview
and
scrutiny
rule
for
joint
governance.
A
Yeah
so
we'd
remove
3.2
and
3.3
and
replace
them
with
the
alternative.
B
A
And
perhaps
noting
a
bit
about
appointment
by
Council,
yeah,
okay.
H
B
O
To
me
and
again
at
17.2,
we
have
the
same
amendments
to
the
call
in
we
I
didn't
note
earlier,
but
we
do
have
the
edition
of
The
Ward
member,
because
obviously
Ward
members
can
make
executive
decisions,
so
that
has
been
added
as
a
as
an
addition.
But
that's
that's
just
the
same
process
that
I've
that
I've
talked
you
through.
M
Sorry,
councilor
Mercer
on
17.5,
A
and
B
are
just
a
little
concerned
that
it
challenges
the
apolitical
nature
of
this
group.
That's
highly
likely
to
result
in
either
councils
incurring
significant
additional
expenditure
or
loss
of
sedition,
a
little
significant
additional
income
or
highly
likely
to
result
in
significant
damage
to
either
both
councils
or
reputation.
We're
meant
to
be
scrutining
the
scrutinizing
the
process
and
not
considering
our
councils.
I.
H
A
Definition
in
a
constitution,
okay,
and
so
it's
something
the
monitoring
officer
and
in
the
case
of
special
agency,
the
chair
of
the
Joss
School,
bear
in
mind
when
approving
the
urgency
and
waving
of
the
calling
rules.
Okay,.
O
B
N
Thank
you
chairman.
Yes,
this
is
just
your
regular
item
on
the
agenda
item
11
and
work
program,
update
which
is
set
out
in
appendix
a
at
the
back,
and
also
this
time.
You're
asked
to
consider
two
scrutiny.
Requests
that
have
come
forward
in
appendix
B1
and
B2.
B1
relates
to
a
request
about
planning
enforcement.
To
come
to
your
committee
and
B2
relates
to
a
report
on
cost
of
living
issues.
N
B
G
There's
a
specific
mention
in
the
narrative
about
section
106,
but
there's
no
that
doesn't
relate
then
into
the
recommendations.
Do
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
covers
section
106
or.
B
B
F
The
the
makeup
of
this
proposed
working
group
would
require.
Would
it
not
that
everybody
understands
the
planning
process
and
has
had
the
appropriate
planning
training
and
do
we
have
enough
members
in
the
room
who
have
attended
said
training
I
know,
for
instance,
myself
wouldn't
qualify
to
participate
in
that
because
I
haven't
had
the
requisite
training
and
I
have
never
sat
on
planning.
B
I
You
chair,
my
thought
is:
this
would
be
a
really
good
thing
for
scrutiny
to
do
yeah
and
probably
we
should
have
done
it
a
while
ago.
So
no
I
think
this
is
really
an
excellent
piece
of
work
that
we
should
be
doing.
Thank.
B
B
A
Yes,
it
does,
but
I
think
this
is
referring
to
something
separate
than
the
executive
member
interviews.
So
you
know
you
may
wish
to
invite
the
chair
of
the
the
cabinet
members
for
well-being
at
the
respective
councils
along
to
the
meeting,
so
they
can
talk
to
the
papers.
Okay,.
N
Think
you
probably
need
to
check
their
availability
chairman
rather
than
thrusting
a
date
on
them,
so
they
might
not
be
able
to
make
it.
You
might
have
to
rearrange
it,
but
I
can
go
away
after
this
meeting
and
and
find
suitable
dates
if
that's
convenient
for
the
committee.
Thank
you,
chairman,
yeah.
N
You
sorry
the
meeting
in
October.
There
was
due
to
be
an
annual
update
on
climate
change,
but
that's
going
to
be
moved
to
November
now
chairman,
to
coincide
with
reports
going
to
the
Joint
strategic
committee.