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A
I'm
sorry,
and
if
we
can
remind
everybody,
please
to
use
their
microphones
when
they
speak,
because
this
has
been
recorded,
and
so
the
members
of
the
public
in
the
gallery
can
hear
us
so
welcome
to
the
members
of
the
public
and
to
the
officers
who
have
joined
us
this
evening
and
to
the
ada
leader,
the
worthing
leader
is
running
slightly
late.
I
believe
she's
on
a
train
from
london,
but
she
will
join
us
as
soon
as
she
can.
I
will
start
by
reading
the
health
and
safety
and
fire
safety
announcement.
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
The
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
from
ada
holmes
and
I
am
an
ada
homes
tenant.
So,
as
I
understand
I'll
have
to
leave
you
too,
I'm
also
a
member
of
shawn
by
cycle
and
there's
somebody
from
that
group
speaking
today
as
well.
Okay,
I've
got
no
pecuniary
interest
in
that
matter.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
No
other
declarations,
we'll
then
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
two,
which
is
substitute
members.
We
have
apologies
from
councillor
sluman
and
the
substitute
is
councillor
robina
bain
and
we
have
councillor
kevin
jenkins.
Who
is
substituting
for
councillor
elizabeth
sparks?
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
apologies.
Okay,
thank
you
agenda.
Item
number.
Three
is
the
confirmation
of
the
minutes
these
have
been
circulated.
A
A
A
A
His
question
is
for
the
leader,
one
of
the
most
household
recyclable
things
is
garden
waste.
Why,
then,
do
the
council
charge
such
a
large
amount
compared
to
other
councils
for
a
green
bin?
If
the
council
are
really
committed
to
being
green,
then
surely
by
not
charging
for
a
green
bin,
this
would
encourage
households
to
help
achieve
the
targets
comments.
Please.
D
D
Yes,
we're
the
only
council
that
does
it
weekly
and
we
collect
50
weeks
of
the
year
until
we
do
this.
Obviously
after
christmas,
when
there's
enough
of
all
the
other
stuff
to
do,
and
as
I
know,
the
government
are
looking
at
making
us
do
it,
but
speaking
freida
some
years
ago,
when
the
liberal
democrats
ran
out
either
they
did
a
mass
recycling
composting
scheme
where
people
this
was
in
the
days
before
sort
of
all
recycling,
for
people
to
compost,
all
their
garden,
waste
and
household
green.
D
You
know
wasted
can
be
composted
and
things
like
that.
I
myself
have
got
three
at
different
stages
of
doing
their
thing,
so
I
don't
have
a
green
bin
because
of
that
and
so
and
a
lot
of,
if
you
look
at
the
figures,
a
lot
of
households
in
ada
do
have
composters
the
actual
number
of
green
bins
that
are
that
people
have
in
either
proportionally
a
lot
less
than
worthings.
D
So
that's
one
reason
why
we're
not
doing
it
free
and
the
other
big
reason
that
I've
always
gone
by
is
the
fact
that
maybe
a
lot
of
the
people
that,
like
it
and
use
the
service
and
they're
quite
happy
to
use
it
and
pay
for
it
because
it
saves
them
queuing
up
at
the
tips,
have
large
gardens.
As
do
I,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
our
residents.
Don't
have
any
gardens
at
all
and
a
lot
of
the
you
know
less
well-off
people
in
flats
and
things
like
that.
D
So
the
money
for
this
has
got
to
come
from
somewhere,
and
I
don't
see
why
the
poor,
potentially
people
in
our
society
should
be
subsidising
the
richer
ones.
A
A
E
Good
evening,
everyone
and
my
question
is
to
the
leader
when
I
was
reading
the
leader's
list
of
responsibilities.
I
saw
that
it
includes
responsibility
for
public
consultation,
including
community
engagement
and
citizens
panels.
Therefore,
could
the
leader
give
a
progress
report
on
community
consultation
and
involvement
and
any
information
on
any
systems
panels
that
have
taken
place.
D
Thank
you
for
your
question.
The
council
is
shaping
a
more
strategic
approach
to
the
participate
participation
and
we
are
now
developing
more
effective
ways
of
consulting
engaging
and
involving
our
residents
and
local
businesses
in
the
local
democratic
decision
making.
D
D
I
hate
that
word
approach
enlarging
to
involving
local
residents
and
businesses
in
a
process
to
learn
about
and
reimagine
what
lansing
should
be
like.
This
includes
temporary
use
of
lansing
police
station
that
extends
to
the
whole
of
the
lancing
town
centre,
village,
central
sorry,
and
using
this
building
as
a
base,
we
held
a
citizens
assembly
for
climate
change
in
2019.
D
Yeah,
that
was
2019
was
two
years
ago,
yep
quite
right,
which
was
very
successful.
But
since
then,
we've
had
two
years
of
covet,
which
is
probably
why
we
have
another
one
engagement
in
new
talks,
farm
we've
been
engaging
with
over
40
local
groups
and
organizations,
schools
and
colleges
and
other
stakeholders
in
developing
a
partnership
there
and
a
five-year
plan
with
the
uzum
ada
river
trust.
D
The
sussex
bay
kelp
for
kelp
forest
we've
done
a
lot
of
online
engagement
with
farmers
to
understand
the
land
use
and
our
climate
ambitions,
and
the
council
is
undertaking
a
third
period
of
consultation
with
residents
of
the
southwick
estate.
D
Sorry,
improvements-
and
I
know
the
new
cabinet
member
for
regeneration,
he's
very
keen
to
make
sure
major
developments
have
consultation,
more
consultation
done
as
well.
Okay,.
F
I
just
need
to
declare
an
interest
council,
I
didn't
know
this
was
going
to
be
mentioned,
but
councillor
parking
has
mentioned.
The
consultation
that's
been
taking
place
in
the
southwick
estate,
that's
being
run
by
my
employer,
I've
nothing
to
do
with
it
and
I'm
not
involved,
but
I
just
want
to
declare
that.
E
Well,
actually,
I
think,
just
at
the
end,
then
councillor
parking
probably
answered
it,
because
I
was
going
to
ask
him
if
there
was
going
to
be
any
bigger
consultation
on
the
over
development
of
shurim,
but
he's
just
mentioned
about
the
regeneration.
So
I
suppose
that's
what
you
tell
you
how
you'd
answer
it?
Isn't
it
really
you'd
refer
me
to
that?
So
that's
it
really!
Okay!
Thank
you.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
The
next
question
is
from
ann
younger
and
again
it's
a
question
to
the
ada
leader.
I
don't
believe
that
she
is
here,
so
I
will
read
the
question
on
ms
younger's
behalf.
D
Yep,
thank
you.
The
council
is
actively
working
to
increase
the
number
of
affordable,
rented
homes
to
that
to
households
in
that
on
the
housing
register.
Last
year
the
council
delivered
15
new
social
rented
homes
in
the
new
sore
norris
building.
D
If
those
leaves
weren't
there,
you'd
be
able
to
see
it,
and
construction
is,
people
must
have
noticed,
is
well
underway
on
our
albion
street
site,
which
would
deliver
further
49
new
homes.
We
have
nearly
finalized
plans
to
deliver,
deliver
another
40
homes
through
our
small
sites
program,
and
we
are
working
to
deliver
a
new
ashcroft,
sheltered
housing
scheme
where
the
ashcroft
department
of
kingston
name,
those
that
don't
know
it
is
due
to
be
demolished
because
it's
no
longer
fit
for
purpose
and
new
units
will
be
put
up
there.
D
On
top
of
that,
we
will
be
delivering
through
our
local
plan
other
new
social
homes.
Obviously
the
obvious
ones
are
new
monks
farm
where
we'll
be
dealing
with
over
100
homes
there
so
far
I
know
75
homes
have
been
built,
but
a
part
of
that
development.
I
think
it's
about
130
social
housing
units
will
be
handed
over
to
the
council
and
in
despite
all
the
talk
about
luxury
penthouses
and
people
from
london
on
the
units
being
built
on
the
front.
D
A
G
Good
evening,
everyone
this
week
at
all
a
lot
of
us
could
declare
self-interest
in
this
question.
The
strategic
housing
market
assessment
analysis
in
2020
of
older
persons.
Housing
needs
in
ader
up
to
200
2036
states
that,
due
to
considerable
growth
in
the
population
of
over
65s,
there
will
be
an
increase
of
414
residents
with
dementia
and
976
with
mobility
problems.
G
G
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
question.
So
a
lot
of
the
new
developments
will
be
incorporated,
particularly
wheelchair,
accessible
and
units
for
disabled
people,
particularly
again
a
ground
floor
level.
The
ones
our
own
units
that
are
being
built
along
along
at
albion
street
are
due
to
be
have
some
disabled
units
along
there
regarding
some
of
the
units
with
care,
etc.
D
That
isn't
within
the
council's
remit.
As
far
as
I'm
aware
and
with
regards
to
the
lack
of
progress
in
on
the
porn
roadside,
nobody
is
more
disappointed
than
I
am
with
that.
But
there
is
a
meeting
set
up
for.
D
But
something
needs
to
be
done
there.
In
view
of
the
fact
that
how
difficult
it's
becoming
to
get
doctors
to
work
in
the
pond
road
surgery
and
the
other
needs
we
have
so
hopefully
that
will
be
unlocked
shortly.
I
mean
it's
only
been
about
15
years
and
at.
A
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
a
supplement.
B
G
D
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
just
curious
the
ground.
You
said
that
some
of
the
ground
for
floor
level
in
the
larger
developments
are
going
to
be
suitable
for
disabled
people,
but
those
ground
floor
developments
are
commercial
and
are
not
suitable
for
for
anyone
because
of
the
flooding.
So
how
will
that?
How
does
that.
D
No,
I
didn't
mean
the
ones
are
on
there.
I
mean
other
ones
like
newman's
farm.
Sorry
didn't
I
you
know,
I
didn't
mean
the
flats
along
the
front
because,
as
you
as
you've
just
said,
nothing
can
be
built.
You
can't
have
any
dwelling
at
ground
floor
level,
but
there's
new
monks,
farm
and
one
on
right
on
alvin
street
and,
as
I
say,
and
the
whole
of
ashcroft,
which
I
am
reliably
informed,
is
going
to
have
44
units.
How.
H
G
I
Good
evening,
councilor
parking
west
sussex
county
council
is
failing
to
deliver
the
primary
strategic
routes
so
vital
to
the
network
identified
in
adam
worthing
council's
local
cycling
and
walking
infrastructure
plan.
This
strategic
document
was
developed
through
extensive
consultation
and
expert
input
before
being
unanimously
accepted
in
2020
and
strongly
endorsed
by
you
councillor
parkin.
D
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
complain
about
west
sussex
and
what
they're
doing
with
their
cycle
routes.
So
the
only
unfortunate
thing
is
when
they
did
the
rather
hurried
cycle
routes
along
the
upper
shore
road.
It
rather
muddied
the
waters
for
everything,
but
as
it
stands
at
the
moment,
as
mr
andrews
I'm
sure
is
aware,
we've
got.
I've
got
two
cabinet
members
as
by
the
way
we're
going
to
be
calling
ourselves
cabinet
members
now,
because,
apparently
the
laws
changed
we
used
to
be
cabinet,
then
we
went
to
executive
performance.
D
Yeah,
quite
because
it
was
always
a
bit
strange
having
we
were
the
executive
and
then
you've
got
a
chief
executive
who
was
an
officer
that
always
you
know
yeah
so
going
back
to
cabinet
and
we're
changing
some
of
the
portfolio
names
as
well,
but
that
come
out
over
the
weekend.
Okay,
oh
sorry,
I've
got
die
digress
somewhat
there,
but
two
of
the
two
two
of
my
cabinet
members
who
are
also
west
sussex,
county
councillors,
I'm
sure
you're,
aware,
are
on
it
somewhat
ferociously
councillors
down
and
born
there.
J
D
D
A
I
Yes,
sorry
parking,
mr
parking,
that
wasn't
quite
what
I
was
expecting.
Do
you
apologize
yeah,
so
you
can
you
confirm,
then,
that
the
the
the
option
of
a
high
quality
designed
project
along
apricot
road
is
still
very
much
on
the
table
and
hasn't
been
rejected
or
or
ruled
out
as
far
as
you
can
you're.
As
I'm
aware
now,.
D
A
K
Good
evening,
everyone
good
evening,
councillor
after
worthingborough
council,
declared
publicly
that
it
is
replacing
glyphosate
based
herbicides
with
environmentally
friendly,
non-chemical
products.
Will
ada
council
please
follow
suit.
Glyphosate
is
recognized
as
deadly
for
pollinators
when
they
visit
affected
plants
and
dangerous
to
us,
as
it
is
carcinogenic.
A
D
You've
done
it,
so
I'm,
okay,
I'm
hoping
I'll
mention
it
to
the
count,
the
leader
of
the
county
council,
but
we
sort
of
have
an
arrangement.
He
doesn't
tell
me
what
to
do
and
I
don't
tell
him
what
to
do,
but
I
will
certainly
tell
you
how
the
people,
some
of
the
people
who
ate,
are
very
upset
by
it,
I'm
quite
happy
to
pass
that
on.
L
K
L
M
Food
for
thought,
my
question
of
this:
is
it
possible
to
abandon
party
politics
in
local
government?
All
candidates
should
be
independent
and
live
in
the
area
they
intend
to
represent
for
at
least
five
years.
Therefore,
they
could
truly
represent
the
interests
of
the
people
in
their
area
without
the
shackles
of
party
dogma.
Do
you
agree.
D
D
I
don't
see
it
happening
any
time
soon
shall
we
say
I
really
don't
and
regarding
all
the
other
ones,
whether
I
agree
with
them
or
not,
they're
they're,
not
we
don't
set
the
rules
they're
set
from
you
know
the
number
how
long
the
candidate
has
to
live
in
the
area,
all
that
sort
of
things
set
by
the
electoral
commission.
D
So
it's
not
something
that
we
have
any
saying
at
all
and
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
think
everybody's
sat
here
and
there's
with
the
exception
of
the
chairman
of
the
committee.
This
is
the
only
only
independent
person
here,
but
I
don't
think
I
can
say
that
anybody
here
isn't
looking
after
the
interests
of
their
area
and
the
people
that
live
in
that
area
and
the
majority
of
us,
I'm
pretty
sure,
aren't
doing
it
within
the
shackles
of
political
parties
either.
I
mean
I
can
assure
I
can
assure
mr
featherstone
that.
D
Myself
as
leader,
I'm
not
on
any
shackles
from
the
national
party
network
from
the
mps,
in
fact,
I
get
missives
down
from
secretaries
of
state.
That's
that's!
When
we've
got
them
and
quite
often
I
send
rude
messages
back,
I'm
quite
quite
infamous
for
it
you
know
saying
you
know.
You've
got
to
be
joking
and
things
like
that.
I
don't
take
it.
I
don't
take
a
lot
of
notice
of
them.
I
do
what's
best
for
the
people.
A
D
M
Are
influenced
by
party?
What's
we
say
dogma.
A
D
I
would
just
answer
that
the
planning
committee
have
the
laws
of
the
land
to
go
by
and
they
are
very
set
very
set
lines
that
they
cannot
use
certain
things
they
can
do
for
certain
things.
They
can't
do
others,
it's
a
quasi-judicial
role
and
it's
laid
down
what
they
can
do,
and
it
is
parliament
that
changes
those
those
rules
and
they
got
no
choice
but
to
but
to
follow
those
rules.
D
A
As
I
say,
this
is
the
joint
overview
and
scrutiny
committee.
So
if
you
do
have
any
queries
about
planning
mr
featherstone,
those
should
really
be
directed
to
the
planning
committee,
but
thank
you.
M
A
A
So
I've
asked
councillor
parkin
who
has
responded
from
an
ada
perspective.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
giving
us
wordings,
it's
the
first
question
on
the
list
and
I'll
read
it
again.
It's
from
petergreaterx
and
his
question
was
what
are
the
most
household
recyclable
things
is
garden
waste.
Why,
then,
do
the
council
charge
such
a
large
amount
compared
to
other
councils
for
a
green
bin?
If
the
council
are
really
committed
to
being
green,
then
surely
by
not
charging
for
a
green
bin,
this
would
encourage
households
to
help
achieve
the
targets.
Can
we
have
your
comments?
Please.
N
N
It
is
a
good
question,
I
think,
as
a
relatively
new
leader
of
worthing
council,
it's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
and
we
have
thought
about
it
during
our
time
as
opposition
as
well,
and
I
think
what
really
stood
out
to
me
when
we
looked
at
the
arguments
for
and
against
it
was
the
fairness
issue.
N
So
the
people
who
have
gardens
that
are
big
enough
for
garden
bins
and
carry
the
cost
of
it.
And
if
we
don't
charge,
then
essentially
the
people
who
don't
have
pit
gardens
or
don't
have
gardens
big
enough.
We're
gonna,
win
bins
will
be
subsidizing
that
cost,
but
that
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
the
argument
is
closed
or
the
discussion
is
closed.
N
We're
going
to
be
having
a
look
and
also,
I
think
that,
unless
I'm
wrong
and
councillor
parking
can
tell
me
if
I
am
that
there
are
probably
going
to
be
national
guidelines
coming
forward
quite
soon
to
mean
that
we
will
probably
have
to
change
it
anyway.
So
we'll
keep
considering
it.
But
national
guidelines
may
well
take
over
our
considerations
and
we
will
therefore
have
to
make
them
free.
A
A
A
C
You
chair
councillor
parking.
One
of
your
areas
of
responsibility
is
consultation.
Why
are
west
sussex
consultations
on
cycling
continually
allowed
to
override
the
local
consultation
held
by
asia
and
worthing
councils
on
its
walking
and
cycling
plan.
D
I
mean
was
tied
up,
isn't
it
with
the
mr
andre's
question
earlier
I
mean
the
reality.
Is
it
can
be
overridden
because
it's
their
responsibility,
not
ours,
it's
their
money.
I
mean
there's
no
way.
We'd
ever
have
the
money
to
to
put
in
some
of
the
cycle
lanes
that
won't
need
to
be
put
in.
We
can
do
it
partly
as
develop.
D
You
know,
part
106
monies
from
developers,
but
apart
from
that,
not
you
know,
but
it
is
their
responsibility,
so
if
they
choose
to
overall
what
we
want,
which
is
their
choice,
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
exactly
where
the
council
is
thinking
of
where
they've
done.
That,
though,
but
there
we
are
she's.
C
Yes,
I
do
thank
you,
chair
the
I'm
thinking
about
the
lc
whip
really
and
why
we've
spent
as
as
a
group
and
with
residents
and
interest
groups
and
sustrans
and
everybody
else
that
were
involved
in
it.
Why
we
spent
two
years
developing
something
pretty
brilliant
for
it
to
be
brushed
aside.
D
It
hasn't
been
brushed
to
shine,
I'm
sure
the
girls
were
there,
where
sussex
is
still
using
it
still
looking
at
it,
and,
as
I
explained
to
mr
andrews
earlier,
the
the
two
cabinet
members
are
actively
engaged
with
the
west
sussex
cabinet
member
for
transport
in
getting
some
of
it
done
and
we're.
Actually,
we
are
as
well
aren't
we
along
the
a259.
D
We
put
the
one,
the
parts
on
the
a259
we're
trying
to
get
that
out
of
106
monies
from
developers,
so
it
certainly
hasn't
been
swept
aside.
C
O
D
I
I
mean
that's
hypothetical
and
I
don't
normally
do
hypothetical,
that's
all,
but
we
are
two
separate
councils.
We
are
two
separate
councils.
We
have
always
been
some
people
have
a
job
to
understand
it,
particularly
west
sussex,
but
we
are
two
separate
councils:
two
separate
councils,
one
workforce,
if
our
colleagues
in
worthy
and
want
to
go
charging
off
that
way.
Fine,
we
don't.
D
Yes,
you
know
have
fun
and
if
we
want
to
go
charging
off
that
way,
it'd
be
the
same,
but
it's
it's
up
to
each
council
to
find
the
resources
from
within
its
budget
to
decide
what
it
wants
to
do,
and
you
know
the
reason
we're
in
partnership
is
to
keep.
I
mean
the
sheer
costs
are
going
back
to
two
councils.
Well
done.
They're
thinking
about
we'd,
never
do
anything
ever
again,
but
it
would
say
we
are
two
totally
separate
councils.
D
I
mean
there's
been
things
in
the
past
under
the
last
administration,
within
quite
a
few
things
where
they've
gone
that
way,
we've
got
that
in
ada,
so
it
won't
be
anything
new.
I
mean,
I
suppose,
one
of
the
biggest
ones
which
which
I
know
is
being
reversed
so
worthy
of
coming
back
to
what
I
used
to
is
the
relief
we
give
to
council
attacks
people.
You
know
which
worthing
did
away
with
some
some
time
ago,
and
we
never
did.
D
It's
very
early
days
yet,
but
talk
of
doom
and
disaster
I
think,
are
exaggerated.
C
A
C
I
just
wondered:
if
I'm
allowed
to
ask
one
on
the
tree
by
the
welly:
is
that
would
that
come
under
planning
issues.
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
F
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
evening
councillor
cooper
thanks
for
for
coming
along
we'll
swap
places,
let's
see
how
this
one
works.
There
yep.
So
my
first
question
which
we
sent
along
to
you
I've
started
to
say
it
seems
to
take
a
long
time
to
appoint
members
the
executive,
that's
an
observation,
not
a
criticism,
but
that's
how
it
seems.
Could
you
tell
us
the
process
that
you
used
to
select
those
members?
Please.
N
Yeah
thanks
so
much
for
your
question.
Councillor
humphreys,
our
cabinet
members
were
actually
selected
over
quite
a
fair
period
of
time,
but
before
the
elections.
So
we
did
a
lot
of
work
before
the
elections.
Obviously
not
presupposing
any
outcome,
but
just
in
anticipation
of
a
change
of
administration
and
and
we
did
it
alongside
our
listening
surgeries
with
our
residents.
N
That
basically
indicated
the
issues
that
were
coming
up
for
our
communities
and
we
match
those
issues
that
are
coming
up
in
our
communities
against
what
the
council
is
mandated
to
do
and
the
different
areas
that
it
covers
and
and
those
roles
basically
sort
of
came
about
as
a
result
of
those
processes
and
then
working
with
the
council
group,
we
looked
at
people's
skill
sets
and
what
they
were
interested
in
and
whether
they
were
actually
interested
in
a
cabinet
role
and
and
then
myself
and
my
deputy
counselor
walker,
sat
down
and
sort
of
went
through
and
looked
at
and
what
a
good
cabinet
team
would
look
like.
F
Yeah,
I
will
because
I
I
was
asking
about
the
process
there
and
you've
used
the
word.
We
an
awful
lot
in
there
so
kind
of
just
clarify.
Did
you,
as
leader,
select
the
people
who
you
thought
were
the
best
people
for
the
job,
or
was
there
a
wider
process
of
maybe
elections
or
something
like
that
within
the
local
labor
party,
or
anything
like
that?
Or
is
this
very
much
you,
as
leader
have
selected
the
people,
you
think
are
the
best
people
for
the
job.
N
Yeah,
so
the
answer
is
it's
a
bit
of
both
so
and
the
way
that
we
work
as
a
labor
group.
We
are
a
group
of
23
and
we
we
work
as
a
group
of
23.
23
and
we
discuss
things
and
we
take
decisions
collectively
where
necessary,
but
ultimately,
as
leader
I
would
look
at
those
decisions
and
for
my
for
our
cabinet
for
my
cabinet,
I
would
look
and
see
that
that
team
works.
So
it's
both
ways.
F
Question
since
the
new
administration
was
elected
in
may,
the
council's
communications
team
has
issued
a
number
of
press
releases,
including
the
q
and
a's,
some
of
which
include
quotes
from
executive
members.
How
much
input
do
the
executive
members
have
in
the
drafting
of
those
quotes
and
how
much
of
that
is
drastic
for
them
by
council
officers.
N
So
we
now,
as
councillor
parkins
said,
and
we
always
have
had
we
we've
got
two
councils,
but
we
still
do
have
joint
functions.
So
I
think
I'll
answer
your
question
and
perhaps
give
a
bit
more
information
just
to
sort
of
clarify
how
the
press
releases
are
now
working.
So
when
we've
got
joint
strategic
committee,
what
we're
looking
for
is
agreement
across
adam
worthing
and
for
our
joint
services.
N
So
if
communications
are
coming
out
that
are
joint
and
then
you'll
generally
find
that
that
tends
to
be
a
an
official
spokesperson
from
the
council
and
if
it's
worthing
specific,
then
it
will
be
the
counselors
that
have
their
voice
there.
Unless,
obviously
it's
an
officer
post
about
you
know
doing
something:
some
biodiversity
work.
N
But
if
there's
an
if
there's
a
counsellor
quote
there
and
then
they
will
have
at
the
very
least
sort
of
looked
at
it
with
comms
and
made
sure
they're
happy
with
it
and
in
terms
of
the
q
and
a's
they
they
did
write
those
themselves.
F
Yeah,
well
I
mean
so
just
to
to
clarify
on
the
point
if
we
can
focus
on
one
particular
press
release.
If
we
could
please,
on
the
13th
13th
of
june
council,
issued
a
press
release,
titled
council
pledges
keep
fighting
to
save
the
goring
gap
in
which
you,
as
leader,
were
quoted
at
some
length
council's
currently
paying
barristers
a
large
amount
of
taxpayers
money
to
advise
us
and
fight
this
case.
Did
they
have
any
input
into
your
quote,
or
did
you
write
that
quote
yourself.
N
F
Okay,
yeah,
third
and
final
one
from
me,
you've
appointed
an
executive
member
who
passed
their
is
championing
young
people's
interests.
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
anyone
on
your
executive
room.
It's
a
look
after
the
interests
of
older
people.
Are
you
thinking
about
appointing
someone
to
that
role.
N
Yeah,
that's
good,
and
so
the
young
person's
portfolio
role
came
up
very
much
again
as
a
result
of
our
work
in
the
communities
looking
at
and
what
the
issues
were
and
looking
where
people
were
vocal
and
were
able
to
sort
of
either
represent
themselves
or
find
communities,
representation
and
time
and
time
again
we
were
finding
that
young
people's
voices
weren't
particularly
being
heard
as
much
as
other
voice
voices,
and,
I
suppose,
there's
a
very
obvious
reason
for
that
that
they
don't
get
to
vote
until
they're
older
and
we're
very
aware
of
that.
N
So
we're
also
aware
that
we
do
have
a
youth
council
and
we
really
want
to
engage
with
them.
But
when
we
were
talking
in
our
communities
time
and
again
came
up
that
things
to
do
for
young
people
places
to
go
for
young
people
just
hadn't,
particularly
or
hadn't,
been
highlighted
nearly
as
much
as
the
need
seemed
to
suggest
that
it
needed
to
happen
in
terms
of
older
people.
N
You're
absolutely
right
I
mean
we
do
have
an
aging
demographic
and
one
thing
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of,
and
and
we
will
definitely
not
omit
those
people
they
are
intrinsically
represented
in
our
citizen
services
portfolio
and
also
our
community
wellbeing
portfolio
and
with
our
big
listening
campaign
coming
up,
we
are
making
sure
that
that
demographic
is
is
listened
to.
N
But
there
was
a
particular
theme
coming
through
about
young
people
as
we
sort
of
worked
with
our
communities
over
the
years
that
we
felt
needed
to
be
specifically
represented
over
and
above
the
other,
the
other
portfolios
that
included
sort
of
the
older
age
group.
F
Yeah
one
more,
that's,
I
think,
that'll
make
that
that
all
makes
sense.
But
if
just
just
sticking
with
you
know,
challenges
faced
by
old
people,
one
is
that
they
live
on
fixed
incomes.
Obviously,
and-
and
you
were
talking
about
themes-
a
theme
of
election
day
this
year
was
conservative
health
councils
that
began
with
the
letter.
W
fell,
left
right
and
centre,
and
one
of
those
with
westminster
city
council,
where
there's
now
a
new
labour
administration
and
as
you'd
expect
with
the
same
party
they've
got
a
program
of
action.
F
That's
remarkably
similar
to
yours.
One
thing
that
the
new
leader
of
westminster
city,
the
labour
leader
of
westminster
city
council,
has
pledged
that
I
haven't
seen
yet
in
worthing
is
a
two-year
council
tax
freeze
that
would
help
people
on
fixed
incomes.
Would
you
be
tempted
to
to
pledge
a
council
tax-free
for
the
next
two
years.
N
Oh,
I
will
think
about
that.
If
that's
okay,
so
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
think
about.
I
mean
you
know
when
the
requestion's
coming
up
later,
that
our
budgets
are,
you
know
incredibly
tight
and
we
need
to
think
about
being
able
to
provide
frontline
services
I'll
think
about
it
and
get
back
to
you.
If
that's
okay,.
A
P
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you.
Councillor,
cooper,
you've
appointed
a
nine-member
executive,
meaning
that
one-third
of
the
available
councils,
excluding
the
man,
the
deputy
mayor,
are
now
executive
members.
This
is
very
unusual.
Could
you
explain
the
rationale
behind
having
such
a
large
executive?
Please.
N
Yeah
thanks
councillor
jenkins.
I
think
that
relates
back
to
the
answer
that
I
gave
to
councillor
humphreys
about
how
we
selected
our
cabinet
members.
It
was
very
much
in
line
with
the
areas
of
priority
that
came
up
for
our
communities
when
we
were
listening
to
them
and
mapping
that
to
the
work
that
our
council
was
able
to
do
either.
You
know,
in
partnership
with
communities
or
with
other
stakeholders
and
and
those
areas
came
out,
as
you
know,
significant
priorities
and
you
know
not
least,
climate
change.
N
We've
got
a
climate
change
lead
now
and
as
councillor
humphreys
sort
of
highlighted
young
people
in
communities
being
held
by
the
deputy,
it
doesn't
feel
like
a
particularly
large
group.
I
have
to
say
it
feels
like
a
team
that
is
really
necessary
in
order
to
achieve
the
manifesto
and
the
the
pledges
that
we've
made
to
the
communities.
N
I
appreciate
that
it
is
larger
than
the
previous
administration's
cabinet
and,
as
with
everything
we,
you
know
it's
early
days,
we
will
work
with
it.
The
cabinet
so
far
is
you
know,
working
really
well
as
a
team,
but
we'll
review
it,
and
if
we
need
to
make
any
alterations,
then
we
will
of
course,
and
we'll
be
transparent
about
that.
P
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
the
answer.
It's
not
clear
what
executive
function
will
be
discharged
by
some
of
these
executive
members,
for
example,
you've
appointed
an
executive
member
for
culture
and
leisure,
but
for
both
areas
the
executive
function
is
performed
by
trust.
So
for
clarity,
what
executive
function
will
be
discharged
by
the
cabinet
or
executive
member
for
culture
and
leisure.
N
So
again,
when
we
were
talking
to
communities
and
looking
at
what
was
really
important
to
our
residents,
culture
and
leisure
were
very
much
at
the
top
of
people's
lists
and
and
what
we
observed
as
members
of
the
opposition
was
that
the
contracts
that
are
held-
as
you
rightly
say,
council
jenkins
by
south
bounds,
leisure
and
worthing,
theaters
and
museums,
were
not
the
first
and
last
words
on
their
bless.
N
You,
when
we're
not
the
first
and
last
word
on
culture
and
leisure
in
our
communities,
there's
a
very
vibrant
community,
around
culture
and
leisure
that
we
really
wanted
to
engage
with
as
a
council.
And
so
it's
sort
of
two-fold
really
there's
a
lot
of
work.
I
mean
I'm
sure,
councillor,
ghana,
when
she
comes
to
talk
to,
you,
will
be
very
happy
to
tell
you
what
she's
up
to
with
the
other
counselors
who
are
working
with
her.
But
you
know
looking
at
those
contracts
and
looking
at
getting
the
very
best
for
our
communities.
N
Out
of
those
contracts
is
really
important,
but
also
working
outside
of
those
contracts
with
within
you
know
the
the
very
vibrant
cultural
scene
in
worthing.
You
know
really
encouraging
that
and
making
sure
that
moves
forward,
and
also
the
leisure
scene
again
returning
particularly
to
young
people,
but
also
across
the
board,
making
sure
that
our
leisure
offer
is
not
exclusionary
in
any
way.
So
she
has
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
I
think
that
she
will
probably
come
and
talk
to
you
about
it.
At
some
point,.
P
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
last
answer.
You
have
announced
a
big
listening
exercise
elsewhere
in
the
country
and
hearing
worthy
and
citizens
assemblies
have
proven
an
effective
means
of
engaging
with
the
cross-section
of
the
public
on
important
issues.
N
Yeah
thanks
very
much
for
the
question
council
jenkins.
I
would
say
that
this
is
not
an
either
all.
To
be
honest,
so
the
idea
of
the
big
listening
campaign
very
much
came
from
talking
to
other
councils
up
and
down
the
country
about
how
they
engage
with
their
communities
and
how
they
allow
communities
to
have
more
responsibility
and
a
bigger
voice
in
how
council
resources
are
spent
in
their
local
areas.
N
So
it's
very
much
a
sort
of
it's
very
much,
a
big
listing
campaign
in
the
sense
that
we
want
to
involve
as
many
communities
as
possible
and
over
a
long
evolving
period
of
time.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
use
the
big
listing
campaign
to
really
root
community
participation
and,
what's
called
participatory
democracy
into
our
communities.
So
it's
bigger
than
just
going
out
and
asking
people
what
they
think.
N
It
really
is
an
ongoing
event
that
is
going
to
really
allow
us
to
work
with
our
communities
and
evolve
resources
and
responsibilities
and
to
communities,
so
they
can
make
their
own
decisions
and
citizens
assemblies
I
absolutely
appreciate
and
that
they
have
their
place.
They
tend
to
be
one-off
events,
and
they
also
tend
to
be
quite
expensive,
but
we
definitely
haven't
excluded
the
possibility
of
using
those
in
the
future,
as
we
continue
with
our
participatory
democracy
process.
P
If
you're
mine,
thank
you,
you
partly
answered
it,
but
just
I
put
it
maybe
you
can
be
a
little
bit
more
explicit
with
an
example.
The
amount
of
money
being
spent
on
the
big
listing
exercise
is
considerable
and
could
be
employed
for
alternative
uses,
a
time
of
need.
With
that
in
mind,
can
you
tell
us
some
of
any
specific
councils
that
have
conducted
business?
Big
listening
exercises
that
you
are
learning
from
to
ensure
the
money
is
put
to
best
use
and
none
is
wasted.
N
Yeah,
of
course,
council
jenkins,
so
the
one
that
springs
to
mind
immediately
is
wigan
and
so
wigan
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
to
wigan
and
they
started
off
and
their
particular
council
approach
with
a
big
listening
campaign,
and
they
did
it
at
a
time
when
they
saw
lots
of
cuts
coming
down
the
road.
N
So
they
did
it
as
austerity
started
to
bite
and
they
need
to
make
some
efficiency
savings
and
they
need
to
make
they
need
to
make
their
council
work
well,
and
so
they
put
their
money
into
listening
and
devolving
resources,
and
we
can
run
an
absolutely
amazing
amazing
council
now
and
they
consistently
are.
You
know,
topping
tables
in
terms
of
you
know,
efficiency
and
effective
services
and
value
for
money
that
residents
see
they
have
a
really
vibrant
community
participatory
democracy
and
set
up,
and
we've
been
really
impressed
with
what
we're
going
to
have
done.
P
Thank
you,
chad.
Yes,
indeed,
you've
made
a
commitment
to
bring
a
council
that
listens
to
the
sorry.
You've
made
a
commitment
to
being
a
council
that
listens
to
the
public
and
that's
obviously
an
admirable
way.
How
will
you
balance
opinions
that
you
receive
in
those
opinions
stand,
in
contrast
to
hard
data
that
you
know,
exists.
N
Councillor
jenkins
and
I
think
I
should
say
that
my
background
is
a
public
health
consultant
and
so
I'm
very
interested
in
evidence
and
data
and
looking
at
things
that
we
know
work
in
order
to
improve
the
health
of
a
population,
and
I
very
much
bring
that
mindset
to
this
role
as
leader
of
the
council,
and
I
think
what
I
should
say
is
that
the
very
best
data
really
reflects
actually
and
accurately
what
is
happening
in
people's
lives
and
and
then
the
big
listing
campaign
and
going
out
and
talking
to
residents
is
also
a
way
of
gathering
that
data.
N
But
where
there
are
discrepancies
and
you're,
absolutely
right.
Council
jenkins.
Sometimes
there
are
discrepancies.
That
is
a
very
interesting
point
often
and
you
really
sort
of
that's
an
opportunity
to
delve
deeper,
and
sometimes
you
find
that
you're
not
actually
talking
to
representatives
of
all
the
communities,
and
so
your
data
is
skewed,
and
sometimes
you
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
how
you've
designed
your
process
to
make
sure
that
you're
sort
of
getting
a
real
cross-section
of
opinion.
And
sometimes
you
may
well
find
a
discrepancy.
N
And
I
think,
to
be
honest,
that's
sometimes
the
most
interesting
points.
That's
when
you
get
the
most
fruitful
discussions
with
your
communities
and
you
really
can
find
innovative
ways
of
finding
solutions.
So
you're
it's
out
you're,
absolutely
right,
it's
a
really
good
question
and-
and
it
makes
it
a
really
lively
and
vibrant
process
like
data
and
evidence,
don't
ever
stay
still
and
talking
to
people
and
active
listening
is
not
a
right
or
wrong
situation.
It's
an
evolving
process
that
allows
you
to
find
solutions
that
you
know
work
for
people
over
time,
so
but
good
question.
P
Can
I'll
start
at
the
beginning?
Those
received
opinions
from
the
public
are
often
the
easiest
voice
to
listen
to,
as
they
can
be
the
loudest,
particularly
on
a
single
issue.
So
at
a
time
of
financial
pressure,
how
will
you
balance
statutory
responsibilities
against
policy
and
public
opinion,
which
will
you
prioritize
and
why.
N
So
to
answer
the
first
part
of
your
question,
which
I
think
I
might
already
have
answered,
but
we'll
reiterate
it:
it's
really
important
when
you
collect
data
and
when
you
do
something
like
active
listening
that
you
make
sure
you're
excuse
me:
you're,
actually
hearing
all
voices
across
the
communities
and
it
is
a
particular
skill
set.
It's
not
something
that
is
achieved
by
just
going
out
and
having
a
chat
to
people.
You
have
to
do
it
properly
and
you
have
to
make
sure
that
you're
actually
understanding
what
the
needs
are
of
your
communities.
N
I
think,
if
you
get
that
right,
then
you
basically
start
to
run
a
council.
That
is
a
council
for
your
community,
which
is
very
much
our
aim
and
our
manifesto
promise-
and
I
think
in
terms
of
policy
and
in
terms
of
understanding
the
resources
of
the
council.
We
have
to
very
much
allow
those
to
be
shaped
by
those
voices,
and
I
mean
all
the
representative
voices
you're,
absolutely
right.
Counselor
jenkins,
not
the
person
who
slides
shouts
loudest
in
the
room
is
not
the
person
who
should
drive
that
agenda.
N
It
should
be
a
proper
community
voice
and-
and
we
are
very
aware
that
and
again
councillor
turley
be
coming
up
to
talk
about
budget
in
a
minute.
We
are
very
aware
that
you
know
in
terms
of
finance
as
councils,
we
have
had
12
years
of
austerity,
and
we
are
you
know
we
are
not
cash
rich,
so
to
speak,
but
we
are
aware
that
we
do
have
budgets
and
that
we
do
have
other
resources
and
we
do
have
other
partners
and
very
much.
N
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
using
those
to
best
affect
across
our
community
for
all
our
community
needs
and
again
going
back
to
my
public
health
work.
There's
something
called
proportionate
universalism,
which
is
the
theory.
It's
michael
marmot's
theory
that
everybody
needs
something
in
your
communities.
N
It's
just
that
people
have
different
level
levels
of
needs
at
different
times,
and
a
good
counsellor.
Great
counsel
will
understand
that
and
we'll
be
able
to
respond
proportionately
and,
of
course,
we're
all
very
aware
that
currently
we
have
a
cost
of
living
emergency
and
therefore
our
proportionate
response.
There
needs
to
be
immediate
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
channeling
sufficient
resources,
but
our
proportionate,
universalism
approach
means
that
we
need
to
hear
all
voices
across
our
communities
in
order
to
make
sure
we've
got
thriving
communities
now
and
for
the
future.
A
Q
A
Moving
on
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
the
financial
performance,
2021
22,
the
revenue
out
turn.
I
would
like
to
invite
mrs
goby
please
to
report
on
the
revenue
financial
monitoring
position
for
the
end
of
the
financial
year.
We
haven't
got
any
pre-submitted
questions
for
this
item,
but
obviously
members
can
ask
them
once
mrs
goby
has
given
us.
Her
report
welcome
good
evening.
O
Thank
you
chair.
I
bring
the
report
to
the
committee
this
time
every
year.
It's
important
for
scrutiny,
members
to
be
aware
of
our
financial
position,
both
our
out-turn
position
and
then
looking
forward
our
medium-term
financial
plan,
which
is
the
next
item
and
the
agenda,
and
that
that
helps
put
context
into
the
council's
decisions,
and
I
firmly
believed,
helps
the
scrutiny
process.
O
Thinking
a
little
bit
about
the
performance
for
21
22,
it
has
been
an
extremely
trying
couple
of
years.
The
pandemic
has
affected
our
community
significantly
and
consequently,
our
finances
and
that
ripples
through
the
report.
So
it's
extremely
pleasing
to
note
that
we
ended
up
very
close
to
our
budgets.
O
I
think
within
two
percent,
with
a
as
a
small
underspending
ada
and
a
small
overspend
in
worthing
that
of
course
masks
quite
a
lot
of
activity
going
on
in
the
council,
particularly
in
response
to
the
pandemic,
where
we
were
administering
a
wide
range
of
program
of
assistance
to
our
communities
funded
by
the
government.
So
you
will
also
see
in
the
report
that
we
we
got
something
like
three
and
a
half
million
pounds
worth
of
additional
government
support
last
year
and
a
lot
of
that
was
targeted
towards
interventions
associated
with
the
pandemic.
O
The
report
does
set
out
all
of
the
the
variances
and
I'm
here
to
ask
answer
as
many
questions
as
I
can.
However,
there
may
be
some
that
I
need
to
refer
on
to
colleagues
elsewhere
in
the
council,
and
that's
all
I
want
to
say
to
others
and
take
any
questions.
Thank.
F
Yeah
thanks
mr
kirby:
it's
a
as
ever
a
really
illuminating
report
and
yeah.
I
think
it's
remarkable.
After
all,
we've
been
through
that
both
councils
have
come
within
two
percent
of
a
budget
that
was
planned
nearly
18
months
ago
now.
So
I'm
just
sorry,
I
didn't
submit
a
question
before
and
I'm
just
going
through
it.
Now.
A
few
years
ago,
worthing
borough
council
set
up
a
an
investment
fund
to
to
purchase
properties
and
take
revenue
back
to
subsidised
services.
F
Can
you
confirm
if
you
can't
go
off
the
top
of
your
head?
I
completely
understand.
I
should
have
pre-submitted
confirm
how
much
revenue
that
that
raised
in
in
the
this
financial
year
to
us
to
subsidise
services.
O
I
can't
confirm
the
precise
figure
it
it
is
close
to
four
million
and
possibly
four
and
a
half
million
there's
ada
as
well.
So
what
I
would
say
is
that
investment
portfolio
held
up
really
well,
I
think,
in
the
end,
for
worthing
we
received
all
the
rental
income
due
with
the
nader.
We
only
had
a
property
with
an
issue
with
part
of
one
of
the
properties
becoming
void
during
that
period.
So
in
terms
of
performance,
it
performed
really
well,
but
I
will
confirm
to
you
the
total
figure.
A
P
O
B
C
I
weighed
more
frantics,
I'm
trying
not
to
hit
heather.
Mrs
goby,
can
I
ask
you
about
about
housing
needs.
I'm.
As
you
know,
housing
and
homelessness
is
a
big
issue
for,
for
me,
is
something
I'm
very
passionate
about,
and
I
wonder
if
we
can
have
sight
of
the
previous
year's
spend
as
well
as
this
the
projection.
So
if
we
can
see
how
things
are
changing
you've
mentioned
the
the
changing
caseload
at
39,
but
I
don't
see
it
there's
nothing.
C
That
gives
a
change
in
figures
on
on
here
and
and
that
would
be
really
useful.
O
A
O
A
And
from
a
personal
level,
whenever
I
contact
you
individually,
I
always
get
a
very
clear
answer.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
so
moving
on
to
agenda
item
number
10,
which
is
developing
a
budget
strategy
for
2023
straight
24
against
a
backdrop
of
high
inflation
again,
I
would
like
to
invite
you
to
report
on
the
proposed
budget
strategy.
Against
this
backdrop,
pre-submitted
questions
have
been
received
for
this
item
from
councillors,
dan
humphries
and
kevin
jenkins.
A
A
Councillor
anger,
stun
was
also
invited
to
attend
to
respond
to
any
pre-submitted
questions
from
ada
members,
but
none
were
received,
so
I
agreed
that
he
could
stand
down
from
attending.
However,
if
any
questions
do
come
up,
we
will
of
course
get
written
responses.
Okay
over
to
you,
please,
mrs
scobee.
O
Thank
you
chair.
This
report
sets
out
the
direction
of
travel
over
the
next
five
years
and
I'll
dwell
a
little
bit
on
uncertainty
in
a
minute,
because
it's
just
suddenly
got
much
more
uncertain
than
I
thought
it
was
two
weeks
ago,
it's
fair
to
say
that
we're
we're
heading
towards
challenging
times.
We
talked
earlier
about
the
impact
of
the
cost
of
living
crisis
on
our
community,
but
of
course
it
impacts
upon
the
council
as
well.
O
When
we
set
our
budget,
we
hadn't
yet
had
a
war
in
ukraine
and
energy
prices,
hadn't
spiraled
as
a
result,
and
consequently
we
are
now
in
a
period
where
I
think,
last
month,
the
consumer
price
index
was
9.1.
O
The
impact
for
us
as
a
council
is
quite
significant.
We
budgeted
for
pay
awards
of
around
about
two
percent
with
increments,
and
that
was
in
line.
I
have
to
say,
with
most
of
our
colleagues
across
the
country.
It
is
now
very
clear
that
our
pay
award
will
be
much
higher
than
this.
We've
only
just
started
our
negotiations
with
the
union
and
their
opening.
O
O
That
would
be
a
significant
burden
on
any
public
body,
but
we
do
expect
there
to
be
an
extended
negotiation
and
in
fact,
the
pay
award
to
be
much
higher
than
two
percent,
possibly
four,
possibly
higher
than
five,
and
I'm
allowing
for
a
five
percent
settlement
in
the
hope
that
it
is
slightly
lower
and
then
looking
ahead.
O
The
bank
of
england
is
not
expecting
inflation
to
come
down
immediately,
but
to
come
down
gradually
over
the
next
year,
and
so
we
should
expect
another
significant
pay
award
for
23.24.
That
adds
quite
a
significant
financial
burden.
On
both
councils
about
one
percent
pay
award
is
equivalent
to
quarter
of
a
million
pounds.
O
We
are
also
expecting
energy
prices
to
increase
we're
very
fortunate
when
we
let
our
last
contract
that
we
let
it
at
quite
a
low
point
in
the
market,
so
consequently
we're
expecting
electricity
to
increase
by
up
to
around
50
percent
gas,
to
increase
by
up
to
300
percent,
and
diesel,
of
course,
is
going
up
significantly.
As
everybody
knows,
when
they
go
and
fill
up
their
car,
what
this
means
is
that,
overall,
we're
expecting
significant
inflation.
O
We
are
going
through
or
have
been
through
a
significant
negotiation
with
our
unions
and
that
again
has
added
to
our
financial
pressures
and,
at
the
same
time,
our
ability
to
tax
is
likely
to
be
constrained.
We
don't
know
yet
by
how
much
it
is
usually
around
about
two
percent.
It
depends
very
much
on
the
secretary
of
state
and
their
discussions
with
treasury
and,
of
course,
we're
in
a
a
period
of
flux
at
the
moment,
with
a
a
new
prime
minister
likely
to
be
imposed
by
the
autumn.
O
So,
coming
back
to
the
the
topic
of
uncertainty,
we're
moving
into
a
position
where
inflation
is
high,
we've
got
industrial
unrest
and
our
income
from
government
is
constrained
and
we're
unlikely
to
raise
council
tax
by
more
than
two
percent.
Although
I
always
travel
in
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
increase
tax
in
line
with
our
cost
pressures,
although
we
need
to
do
so
in
a
mindful
way,
because
obviously
tax
is
yet
another
cost
to
people
who
have
low
incomes
and
may
be
experiencing
pressures
of
their
own.
O
We
have
well
worked
strategy
that
we've
developed
over
many
years
to
help
manage
this,
but
there
is
still
more
work
to
be
done
to
help
balance
the
budget
and
that
work
will
be
undertaken
over
the
the
summer
months
with
the
view
of
coming
back
to
members
in
the
autumn,
with
a
full
suite
of
proposals
for
them
to
scrutinize.
O
We
do
that.
Every
year,
every
year
we
come
back
to
the
scrutiny
committee.
With
our
proposals
to
to
balance
the
budget,
I
was
going
to
say
we
we
might
get
a
two-year
settlement,
but
that
was
two
weeks
ago
and
of
course,
the
secretary
of
state
has
now
left
his
post
and
I
don't
know
yet
who
will
be
coming
in
as
secretary's
date
and
what
their
view
is.
But
I
do
hope
that
they
honor
that
commitment.
O
It
is
very
difficult
for
us
to
plan
our
financial
future
with
such
uncertainty,
and
it
would
be
at
least
it
would
be
deeply
helpful
for
us
to
have
at
least
two
years
certainty
around
our
government
funding,
but
we'll
await
for
the
autumn
and
the
changes
that
emerge
and
that's
all
I
need
to
say
on
the
budget
other
than
to
take
any
questions
that
members
may
have.
But
I
know
that
you
have
a
few
questions
for
the
cabinet
member
for
resources.
O
F
A
F
L
A
P
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
mrs
goby,
for
your
report
and,
as
my
colleagues
have
said,
always
very
important
and
informative.
Just
listening
to
what
you
said
here.
Obviously
there
are
considerable
pay
constraints
that
are
likely
to
come
forward
and
just
looking
at
your
figure
of
potentially
five
percent
for
22
23
and
again
in
23,
24
5
from
your
figure
of
1
of
250
k
is
1.25
million
this
year,
which
pro
rata's
about
750
k
for
worthing
on
the
60
40
split
roughly.
P
O
I
will
I
will
work
out
the
actual
percentage,
but
across
the
two
councils
we
spend
28
million
pounds
on
pay.
O
Some
of
that
is
funded
from
grant
programs,
but
that's
our
total
paper
but
I'll
work
out
percentage
for
you.
P
That's
helpful,
thank
you
and
if
I
may
share
just
one
more
point
on
the
presentation,
thank
you
on
the
paper
that
you
bought
before
us
tonight
and
indeed
was
presented
to
jsc
on
the
fifth
of
july.
P
P
O
So
if
we
think
about
not
just
the
income
but
the
the
profit
made
on
our
commercial
activities
to
put
that
into
some
sort
of
context,
for
example,
car
parks
is
a
significant
contributor
to
our
overpower
position,
as
is
the
cremato
crematorium,
both
of
them
contributing
well
over
a
million
pounds
without
those
services,
and
then
we
obviously
also
have
our
commercial
property
portfolio
which,
which
generates,
as
we
discussed
earlier,
around
about
four
to
four
and
a
half
million.
O
So
if
we
didn't
have
that
income,
the
consequences
for
service
delivery
would
be
significant.
We
would
not
be
able
to
afford
the
range
of
services
that
we
deliver.
Hence
the
emphasis
on
trying
to
improve
our
commercial
activity
to
give
us
the
capacity
to
develop
and
deliver
other
services
for
our
public.
O
I
can
give
you
a
complete
breakdown
and
councillor
jenkins.
If
you
want.
S
Thank
you,
mr
gabby,
and
echo
my
colleagues
comments
about
the
work
you've
done
over
the
last
two
years.
Thank
you
for
that
in
the
report.
S
Under
the
pay
and
prices
section,
and
I
appreciate
that
it
could
be
speculation
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
give
an
answer
to
it,
but
we
it
says
that
we
expect
inflation
to
rise
further
and
then
fall
back
to
two
percent
over
two
years
at
the
moment,
with
increasing
costs
of
living
demand
for
better
wages,
a
new
government,
it's
quite
staggering
to
go
back
down
to
two
percent
within
two
years
in
your
professional
opinion.
S
O
It
will
be
coming
back
down
to
two
percent.
We
do
review
the
medium
term
financial
plan
three
times
a
year,
so
it
is
a
very
much
a
live
plan.
If
new
information
comes
forward,
we
will
build
in
those
new
forecasts
into
our
forward.
Look,
so
we
will
keep
it
under
review.
However,
at
the
moment
bank
of
england
is
saying,
come
24
25
it
will
be
back
down
to
2
and
and
that's
what
I'm
basing
those
estimates
on.
A
F
Yeah,
so
we
put
some
some
some
questions
in
beforehand.
I
think
you
know
my
attention
was
caught
recently
by
a
press
release
from
the
council,
so
I'm
just
asking
for
your
opinion
on
that
and
these
papers.
Can
you
confirm
it?
In
your
opinion,
there
is
really
any
realistic
prospect
of
the
councils
facing
over
six
million
pound
funding
gap.
As
was
stated
in
that
press
release
from
the
councils.
R
Yes,
so
so
the
press
release
refers
to
the
challenge
faced
across
both
councils
from
this
year,
22
23
to
24
25
by
2425
ada
would
have
a
budget
cap
of
2
million
and
worthing
would
have
a
gap
of
4.3
million
if
no
savings
were
delivered
over
that
period
works
underway
to
close
that
budget
cap,
but
we
think
it's
important
to
be
honest
about
the
scale
of
the
challenge
that
we're
facing.
Nevertheless,
we're
confident
that
our
organization
will
meet
this
challenge
creatively
and
resourcefully.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Council
solely,
and
I
agree
it
is.
It
is
important
to
be
honest
with
the
public
going
through
the
figures
in
this
paper.
The
only
way
I
can
see
and
that
and
our
choices
as
a
council
as
councils
will
have
an
impact
on
this
as
well,
and
the
only
way
I
can
see
that
there
would
be
a
plus
six
million
pound
funding
gap
would
be
if
this
council
or
both
councils
actually
and
for
that
figure,
chose
a
multi-year
council
tax.
Freeze.
F
I've
already
asked
one
member
of
your
group
about
the
prospect
of
that
and
she
was
going
to
go
away
and
think
about
it.
So,
on
that
the
question
goes
to
you,
then.
Is
there
really
a
plan
in
your
mind
for
a
multi-year
council
tax
freeze?
Well,.
R
My
understanding
is-
and
mrs
goby
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
that
the
assumption
in
the
in
the
budget
in
the
plan
is
two
percent
increasing
council
tax.
We
don't
know
what
the
the
government
will
allow
it.
They
might
allow
a
higher
figure
this
year
and
we
haven't.
You
know
we
haven't
considered
yet
what
we
would
do
with
council
tax.
It's
too
early.
F
Okay,
in
section
6.5,
with
reference
to
platform
4,
the
report
states
that
you
are
reviewing
existing
fee
earning
services
and
that
services
which
operate
on
a
commercial
basis
will
be
encouraged
to
maximize
profit
margins.
This
implies
that
some
fees
are
going
to
be
raised.
Are
there
any
areas
in
which
you
would
like
to
rule
out?
Raising
fees.
R
F
So
I
do
have
a
supplementary,
I
mean
elsewhere.
I've
seen
you've
pledged
closely
to
work
with
town
center
businesses
and
foster
trust.
The
last
time
this
council
wasn't
run
by
the
conservatives,
the
the
parking
fees
in
the
town
centre
rocketed.
So
my
question
is:
do
you
intend
to
raise
the
ten
center
parking
fees,
including
the
town
centre
workers
tickets
and
including
the
two-hour
free
parking
deal
for
users
of
splash
point
leisure
centre?
Well,.
R
The
I
am
old
enough
to
remember
the
previous,
the
liberal
democrat
administration.
I
wasn't,
I
wasn't
a
local
political
geek
at
that
time,
but
I
am
aware
that
I
think
the
increase
in
parking
fees
was
one
of
the
least
popular
things
they
did.
I
think
it
may
have
been
one
of
the
things
it
did
for
them,
so
I'm
not
making
any
any
any
predictions
as
to
what
we'll
do
on
parking
fees
again.
All
this
needs
to
be
worked
through,
given
the
financial
pressures
we're
under.
F
Yeah
so
yeah
final
one
for
me
just
won't
say
I
actually.
I
didn't
want
to
name
another
cancer
in
this
one,
but
I
was
asked
to
be
more
specific
about
what
I
was
saying
in
it.
So
I
I
have
done
the
the
question.
Is
the
papers
detail
how
the
council's
investment
scheme
has
supported
income,
which
in
turn
has
kept
vital
services
running
at
the
same
time
the
papers
report?
The
council's
borrowing
position
is
under
borrowed.
R
R
The
council
has
a
robust
policy
in
place
which
will
ensure
that
the
debt
is
prudently
repaid
over
the
life
of
the
assets
acquired
through
borrowing
the
council
provided
for
a
repayment
of
1.6
million
of
debt
last
year
and
will
provide
1.7
million
this
year.
So
my
colleague
is
right
to
say
that
we
are
tackling
debt.
R
F
Yeah
good
try
so
yeah
supplementary
is
you've
published
a
q,
a
as
some
of
your
colleagues
have
done.
Yours
went
out
on
the
first
of
july.
In
there
you
said
that
there
was
an
intention
now
to
invest
in
local
properties,
because
you
alluded
to
the
the
the
borrowing
rules,
having
or
at
least
the
public
works
loans
for
borrowing
rules
having
been
changed.
So
my
question
is
that
does
that
mean
that
you'll
continue
to
borrow
money
and
add
to
the
council's
debt
in
order
to
make
investments
locally?.
R
Okay,
well,
that's
that
that
is
a.
That
is
a
good
question
and
by
the
way
I
did
write
every
single
word
of
that
q,
a
it
wasn't
written
for
me.
Maybe
it
should
have
been
so
in
answer
to
your
question,
so
we
would
invest
in
if
you
invest
in
local
property.
You'll
be
you'd,
be
doing
so
to
generate
income.
Of
course,
you'd
be
using
public
works.
R
Public
works
loan
board,
borrowing
in
all
likelihood,
so
also
you
I
mean
you
may
want
to
acquire
land
for
for
other
purposes,
for
for
housing,
for
for
for
housing,
development,
for
example.
Rather.
T
R
Allow
the
land
to
be
taken
over
by
you
know,
dastardly
developers,
so
there's
all
sorts
of
reasons
why
you
would
invest
in
property
and
land
and
very
often
you
know
they
are
a
good
income
generator.
So
in
terms
of
the
debt
level,
of
course
we
are,
we
are
paying
off
the
debt
and
we
will
continue
to
pay
off
the
debt
whatever
it
is,.
P
Good
evening,
council
turley,
thank
you
for
coming
along.
How
do
you
see
the
budget
challenges
affecting
service
provision.
R
P
There
is
chair,
thank
you,
yep.
I
appreciate
your
repeated
answer
that
it's
too
early
that
your
budget
planning
now
but
we'll
be
six
months
into
the
crisis
year
of
22-23.
So
at
a
time
of
this
financial
pressure,
how
will
you
balance
providing
financial
resources
to
service
statutory
responsibilities
against
policy?
Sorry.
P
R
So
I
think
this
will
be.
It
comes
up
really
in
a
in
a
question
three
really
in
terms
of
prioritizing
areas
of
savings
against
statutory
responsibilities.
So
there
are,
there
are
different
ways
of
delivering
our
statutory
services.
Obviously
we
have
to
provide
them,
but
sometimes
you
can
you
it's
a
question
of
how
you
how
you
provide
them,
and
you
know
we
can
consider
how
we
provide
those
services
and
if
we
can
deliver
them
at
a
reduced
cost,
then
that
would
help
to
protect
other
services
as
well.
P
Yep,
thank
you
for
that
chick
next
question.
If
I
may,
then,
please
the
papers
detail
how
the
council's
strategic
property
investment
scheme
has
provided
significant
income,
and
we've
heard
part
on
that
this
evening,
which
in
turn
has
kept
vital
services
running
locally
as
a
landowner
or
through
investment.
This
council
is
currently
sitting
on
a
number
of
key
long-term
revenue
generator
sites
that
could
provide
a
wrath
of
incomes
to
the
various
councils.
When
will
these
sites
come
on
in
line
and
improve
the
budget
provision.
R
Some
of
the
opportunities
currently
in
progress
are
the
worthing
integrated
care
centre
which
is
being
built
and
due
for
completion
next
year.
This
will
provide
an
income
stream
to
the
council
in
excess
of
the
cost
of
borrowing
that
has
been
used
to
finance
the
development.
The
premises
will
also
contribute
to
business
rates
and
parking
income.
R
R
And
we've
just
recently
refurbished
cannon
house
in
chatsworth
road
and
a
new
tenant
has
been
secured
again.
This
will
begin
to
generate
rental
and
business
rates
income.
So
there
are,
there
are
examples
and
coming
up,
we've
got,
I
think
very
excitingly.
We've
got
decoy
farm
which
will
soon
be
submitted
to
planning
with
a
view
to
commencing
on-site
with
171
000
square
feet
of
green
business
park,
which
will
deliver
a
long-term
income
stream
for
the
council
as
well
as
additional
business
rates.
So
plenty
of
examples.
R
R
The
potentially
the
the
increased
income
will
allow
us
to
to
improve
service
provision.
I
visited
the
the
parks
team
two
or
three
weeks
ago,
who
are
severely
stretched
and
you
know
we
could
do
with
more.
You
know
more
staff,
more
equipment
to
manage
our
parks.
We've
got
beautiful
parks,
we
have
got
a
lot
of
them.
Thankfully,
we
have
a
lot
of
parks
and
you
know
I
would.
I
just
think
that
the
services
we
have
whilst
we
provide
a
good
service,
it
can
always
be
improved.
A
A
It's
eight
o'clock.
I
think
can't
see
the
clock
terribly
well,
if
we
reconvene
in
10
minutes,
okay,.
U
Thank
you
chairman.
Yes,
the
committee
is
asked
to
note
the
work
programme
update
which
is
set
out
in
the
report
and
in
appendix
a
to
the
report.
It
sets
out
the
dates
for
the
meetings
and
the
items
coming
forward
and
as
requested
by
the
committee
last
time,
it
includes
executive
member
interview
slots
detailed
in
the
in
the
various
meetings
and
also
at
appendix
b.
The
committee
are
asked
to
consider
a
scrutiny
request
relating
to
the
shared
prosperity
fund,
which
was
requested
at
the
last
meeting.
U
The
committee
are
asked
to
consider
if
they
want
to
add
that
item
to
the
work
programme
or
not
the
there
is
a
recommendation
from
the
josh
chairman
at
the
back
of
excuse
me
at
back
of
the
appendix
and
the
josh
chairman,
recommending
that
a
report
should
come
to
josh
later
in
2022-23,
which
sets
out
the
work
on
the
bids
and
details.
The
funding
allocations
that
come
forward.
U
U
They
have
asked
josh
to
review
if
the
recommendations
are
post
pandemic
or
general
economy,
recommendations
to
prioritize
those
recommendations
based
on
realistic
delivery
and
resource
and
to
reframe.
The
josh
report
to
reflect
the
the
evening
and
nighttime
economy
is
part
of
a
wider
economic
strategy
question
and
any
recommendations
moving
forward
should
be
consumed
as
part
of
a
wider
economic
planning
review.
U
So
I
don't
have
anything
further
to
add
on
that
report
chairman,
but
just
ask
the
committee
to
consider
those
issues
that
I've
raised.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
So
we'll
start
with
the
scrutiny
request.
That's
set
out
in
appendix
b
to
the
report,
which
relates
to
the
shared
prosperity
fund,
which
was
requested
by
josk
at
our
previous
meeting,
and
to
consider
whether
or
not
the
items
should
be
added
to
the
work
programme.
Is
there
anybody
that,
like
to
comment
on
this
one,
please
counselor
humphreys.
F
A
So,
moving
on
to
the
working
group
that
was
set
up
to
look
at
the
adrian
wording
evening
and
nighttime
economy,
I
believe
the
only
member
that
we
have
left
who's
still
with
us
from
that
original
group
is
councillor
albury.
A
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
say
councillor
aubry
with
regard
to
the
jsc
comments?
Thank.
V
You
chair,
no,
not
really.
It
was
a
very
thorough
report
that
we
did.
It
was
obviously
done
before
kovid,
so
whether
we
want
to
look
at
it
again
because
of
how
the
covid
has
changed
that
nighttime
economy,
certainly
as
regards
to
shauram
and
ada,
I
don't
feel
that
that
really
has
changed
greatly
for
ada.
A
E
P
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
I
think
you're,
absolutely
right.
There's
a
number
of
businesses
in
the
hospitality
sector
within
worthing
within
the
evening
nighttime
economy
who've
had
to
completely
fundamentally
change
how
they're
operating
in
that
they
are
no
longer
a
seven
day
a
week
business
but
they're
a
five
day
a
week,
business
operating
often
from
a
wednesday
through
the
weekend
and
being
closed
on
a
monday
and
tuesday.
P
That's
quite
prevalent
and
of
course,
that
then
leaves
the
town
center
and
that
evening,
environment,
even
quieter,
with
the
lack
of
activity
and
vibrancy
within
the
town.
So
post
kobe,
there
has
been
an
impact,
and
indeed
we
shouldn't
also
forget
that
those
businesses
are,
in
many
cases
struggling
to
find
staff
to
function
as
well.
So.
L
W
W
I
believe
I
I
believe
that,
with
the
falling
number
of
taxi
drivers
and
businesses,
especially
the
pubs
and
pubs
and
stuff
that
they
are
closed,
monday
and
tuesday
and
wednesdays,
and
tend
to
be
open
at
weekends.
Q
Can
I
just
say
a
nice
positive
comment:
worthing,
theaters
and
museum
trust
have
responded
to
the
rises
in
cost
of
living,
etcetera
and
they're.
Doing
free
early
evening
shows
actually
on
the
promenade,
so
that
will
hopefully
help
people
on
holiday
or
whatever,
and
will
encourage
a
lot
of
those
restaurants
along
the
seafront
yeah.
J
Hi,
I
just
want
to
relay
the
point
that
postcode.
You
know
that
taxi
marshal
has
been
removed
because
of
the
funding
issue,
because
there's
no
more
funding
there.
For
I
mean
it
does
contribute
on
the
nighttime
economy,
but
now
because
I'm
I
would
just
declare
that
I'm
a
taxi
driver
as
well,
but
of
course,
but
mainly
I
don't
work
my
time
much
because
of
my
other
commitments.
J
But
of
course,
when
I
go
to
the
rank
of
course,
they
don't
know
that
I
have
a
different
head,
so
I
always
get
those
questions
and,
of
course-
and
I
did
say
like
like,
of
course
it's
a
safety
issue.
I
they're
raising
like
especially
nighttime
late
night
when
we
are
or
the
drivers
are
dealing
with
customers
is
when
taxi
marshall
is
there
it?
J
It
was
helpful
and
it's
always
been
helpful
just
because
of
the
budget
that
now
it's
not
there,
and
this
is
put
in
a
great
impact
and
the
confidence
of
those
drivers
who
operates
there
and
probably
vice
versa,
for
the
customer
who
feels
safe
out
there
because
someone
was
managing
there
so
yeah.
This
is
something
I
did
mention
to
the
health
and
well-being
committee
that
something
maybe
need
to
have
more
consultation,
and
I
mean
this
is
I'm
just
relaying
what
I
hear
from
the
public.
A
A
A
O
U
Short
review,
I
think,
but
the
problem
is
things
keep
moving
on
with
these
issues.
You
know
you
had
covered
now
the
cost
of
living,
so
it
could
develop
into
a
bigger
review,
it's
difficult
to
tell
chairman,
but
hopefully
it
should
be
achievable.
U
A
Thank
you
and
we'll
leave
it
to
you
to
convene
a
meeting
quite
swiftly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That's
very
helpful,
so
we're
requested
to
note
the
current
status
of
the
work
programme
for
this
this
current
municipal
year
and
set
out
an
appendix
a
to
the
report
and
consider
if
any
other
issues
need
to
be
considered
any
further
suggestions
or
comments.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
check.
We
weren't
still
talking
about
night
time.
We
agreed
previously
to
have
a
working
group
on
temporary
accommodation,
specifically
on
out
of
area
bed
and
breakfast
and
tempe
accommodation,
and
I
wondered
how
we're
going
to
move
that
forward
forward
and
whether
we
can
start
to
agree
the
scope.
Do
some
research
on
that
to
to
decide
quite
what?
How
that's
going
to
look,
what
what
the
working
group
is
going
to
look
like
and
how
we're
going
to
yeah?
What
exactly?
C
U
Chairman
just
to
clarify,
I
think
that
item
was
a
report
that
was
going
to
come
to
the
committee.
I
think
the
councillor
might
be
suggesting
that
it
should
be
a
working
group
set
up
to
review
the
issues.
Sorry,
I
might
be
my.
U
A
Q
Thank
you,
as
it
was
my
portfolio
to
a
little
while
ago,
and
I
think
we
probably
need
a
report
because
some
of
the
facts
sound
very
hard
and
very
indescribable,
and
you
you
wouldn't
get
any
of
the
wallpaper
behind
it.
If
you
just
wrote
a
report,
whereas
if
you
had
a
working
group
with
different
interests
and
different
political
opinions,
I
think
it
would,
it
would
add
more
value.
I.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
We
did
ask
for
pre-submitted
questions
for
this
item,
but
we
haven't
received
any
thank
you
to
the
three
of
you
for
coming
along.
Is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
add
to
set
the
scene
by
way
of
presentation.
T
Yes,
I
think
first
is
to
note
that
we
there
definitely
has
been
progress,
but
we're
by
no
means
where
we
want
to
be
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
we,
the
changes,
we've
done
to
the
staffing
we're
beginning
to
see
the
impact
of
that-
and
I
think,
where
we
find
ourselves
now,
is
we're
we're
making
the
progress
in
areas
we
didn't
before,
particularly
around
things
like
our
asset
and
long-term
decisions
and
planning
on
what
happens
to
our
assets,
we're
beginning
to
we're
beginning
to
use
information
on
repairs
to
influence
our
capital
work.
T
So
there's
a
lot
that
actually
that's
happening.
What
we're
also
picking
up
is
that
some
of
the
issues
that's
been
that
we're
addressing
actually
requires
the
access
of
the
whole
council
and
my
colleague
joe
will.
This
thing
will
explain
a
bit
more
about
that
and
we
are
beginning
to
get
full
support
of
the
whole
council
in
addressing
some
of
these
very
difficult
issues.
T
X
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
talk
about
what
akin
has
touched
on,
which
is
so.
The
issues
that
we've
been
exploring
are
much
wider
than
the
housing
service.
So
in
order
to
fix
them,
it's
going
to
take
a
corporate
approach,
which
is
what
we're
doing
so,
for
example,
call
handling
and
systems
and
working
with
our
call
center
for
them
to
be
able
to
successfully
support
our
residents
with
queries.
They
need
to
have
access
to
data,
to
answer
those
questions
which
is
in
a
system
that
is
owned,
corporately
designed
corporately
and
managed
corporately.
X
So
it's
going
to
take
resources
from
outside
of
housing
to
commit
to
a
process
and
work
alongside
our
colleagues
in
customer
service
as
to
what
do
they
need?
How
do
we
support
them?
And
then
how
do
we
design
a
solution?
So
we
can
get
better
outcomes
for
our
customers
and
our
residents.
So
that's
one
example.
X
Another
example
is
the
proactive
project,
so
we've
uncovered,
you
know
how
complex
our
customer
base
is
and
how,
by
doing
more
early
intervention
with,
say
our
colleagues
and
wellbeing
services,
we
can
stop
things
getting
out
of
hand
for
residents,
things
like
debt,
arrears,
anti-social,
behavior
and
so
on.
So
this
is
this
is
about
organizational
kind
of
collaboration.
X
How
do
we
work
more
closely
with
those
teams
and
they
need
to
commit
resources
into
our
service
with
our
residents
working
together
to
solve
their
challenges,
which
are
also
our
challenges?
So
it's
very
much
an
organizational
management
question,
corporately
sitting
outside
and,
of
course,
with
systems
as
well.
There's
costs
to
changing
systems,
there's
resources
we
have
simon
here
today,
who
knows
full
well
what
those
challenges
look
like
and
there's
a
lot
of
changes
that
need
to
happen
to
get
get
the
best
out
of
the
service
from
a
system
perspective.
X
So
we
need
commitment
from
teams
outside
of
housing
to
enable
us
to
do
that,
but
we've
got
proposals
ready.
We
know
what
the
difficulties
are.
We
know
what
the
challenges
are.
We've
got
a
series
of
tasks
which
we
will
commit
to
to
do
that,
but
we
do
need
other
people
to
lean
in
and
help
us
achieve
that.
It's
a
team
effort,
corporate
effort.
Y
I'd
just
like
to
echo
what
has
been
said
here
and
we
mustn't
forget
the
importance
that
I
think
in
the
past,
ada
homes
has
been
pushed
out
on
a
limb.
It's
been
the
sort
of
the
correlation
of
everyone
else,
whereas
you
cannot
really
do
ada
homes
without
health
and
well-being
as
well.
Y
A
lot
of
our
tenants
come
under
that
category
and
we
have
to
work
much
more
closely
with
them
on
that,
and
also
with
regard
to
regeneration,
side
and
the
planning
side
as
well,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
planning
applications
coming
forward
for
massive
buildings,
and
what
we
must
always
understand
is
that,
according
to
our
theater
plan,
we
should
be
getting
30
percent
of
affordable
homes
from
each
of
these
developments,
and
we
have
to
keep
on
that
case
and
emphasize
to
the
developers
that
that
is
what
we
need.
Y
We
are
in
the
process
of
expanding
our
council
base,
the
housing
base
and
the
more
we
can
get
in
to
help
the
residents
who
are
on
our
housing
waiting
list.
The
better.
A
Thank
you
any
questions,
please
from
members
council
stone,
falls
and
then
councillor
aubry.
C
C
Ever
so
much
thank
you.
So
my
first
question
was
on
on
voids
2.3
and
3.3.
We
had
a
an
email
from
an
officer
with
a
really
brilliant
voice
report,
which
clearly
stated
that
it
would
be
shared
weekly
with
us
on
the
23rd
of
may.
C
We
had
one
email
on
the
23rd
of
may,
so
I
I
just
think
this.
This
sort
of
data
is
really
useful
for
us
so
that
we
can
support.
You
wondered
if
you
could
think
about
that.
T
C
Brilliant.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
next
question
I
mean
it's
so
wonderful
to
see
in
4.5
all
of
those
category
1
category
2
risks
and
hazards
that
we've
been
talking
about
through
joint
governance
through
just
it's
all
come
up
now,
almost
everything's
at
nearly
100
percent.
It's
it's
such
a
relief
to
see
that
there's
one
thing
missing
off
here
for
me
and
that's
legionella,
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
speak
to
that.
T
Yes,
we
we,
we
do,
have
contractors
working
on
legionella
for
us,
but
we're
also
working
on
a
full
contract
tender.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
there's:
a
housing
procurement
subgroup,
that's
working
on
tenders
and
legionnaires,
one
of
those
contracts
we're
into
retainer.
V
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
just
two
questions.
Thank
you
akin
my.
My
first
question
actually
was
on
voids
and,
and
probably
I
have
forgotten,
but
could
you
just
confirm?
How
often
are
we
going
to
get
the
list
of
voids?
Is
it
for
everybody
in
ada
or
are
we
doing
it
per
ward
and
when
we
get
the
list,
are
we
able
to
know
the
reason
for
the
void
being
left
as
in
k?
You
know
some
obviously
are
for
various
reasons
that
you've
got.
T
T
Will
also
say
is
that
we
would
like
to
give
you
a
lot
more
information.
One
of
our
problems-
I
don't
want-
is
systems
and
data
and
we're
having
to
dig
this
data
out
manually,
so
it
is
quite
cumbersome.
It's
one
of
the
pieces
of
work
that
has
been
leaned
into
corporately
to
overhaul
all
our
systems,
so
we
can
give
regular
data
in
the
future.
You
should
be
able
to
see
regular
data
on
asbestos.
The
journal,
gas
safety,
the
whole
range
of
it,
but
at
the
moment
our
system
doesn't
allow
us
to
give
you
that
regularly.
V
On
how
you
want
to
actually
yeah?
No,
that's
fine.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
then
the
other
one
akin
you
mentioned
that
you
are
still
needing
to
fill
some
of
the
positions
with
staff.
Are
these
higher
up
positions
with
staff?
Are
they
difficult
to
fill?
Are
we
you
know
having
the
difficulty,
because
these
are
positions
that
are
specific
or
is
it
just
that
we're
not
finding
the
right
people
to
fill
these.
T
So
we
we,
we
have
been
fortunate
with
the
staff
that
in
neighborhood
services
we
filled
all
of
those
which
we
haven't
done
for
a
very
long
time,
and
we
have
that
team
functioning.
Well
now
we
are
having
some
challenges
with
the
very
technical
roles
and
where
we
need
specialist
surveyors.
I
think
we
were
fortunate
that
the
consultant
working
with
us
from
np
mps
agreed
to
step
in
in
for
a
year
as
the
asset
manager.
T
T
T
15
years
20
years,
30
years
and
there's
a
plan-
and
I
think,
as
my
colleague
ms
gorby
said,
we
then
need
to
tailor
the
budget
into
that
30
year
plan
so
that
if
we
know
we're
going
to
be
changing
all
the
roofs
in
that
place
in
10
years,
we
start
building
the
financial
model.
To
do
that.
So
that's
why
we
need
the
asset
manager
and
that's
they
help
us
launch
the
boot,
but
it's
difficult.
We
are
getting
we're,
not
the
only
ones
going
through
this
across
the
country.
C
Think
councillor
will
be
wanted
to
say
something:
first,
okay,.
Y
Just
two
things
when
I
was
at
the
lga
conference
in
harrogate
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
was
speaking
with
the
head
of
housing
at
manchester
and
believe
you
me,
I
was
telling
her
our
problems
and
she
was
laughing
the
whole
time
because
she
said
you
only
think
you've
got
problems.
Y
They've
got
it
that,
but
that
is
no
reason
to
lessen
up
on
what
we're
doing.
But
I
would
like
to
also
comment
on
voids.
Y
We,
some
of
you
may
get
member
members
tenants
or
calling
up
or
residents
calling
up
saying
this
place
has
been
void
for
a
long
time.
Why
isn't
ada
doing
something
with
it?
There
are
several
reasons
why
there
are
voids.
Some
of
them
are
described
in
the
paragraph
here,
but
what
hasn't
been
said
in
here
is
sometimes
tenants
leave,
probably
without
telling
us
and
they
leave
electricity
bills
of
sometimes
two
or
three
thousand
pounds
and
the
they
can't
get
the
elicity
turn
back
on
until
someone
pays
it
muggy's
here.
Y
Also
sometime
when
people
leave,
they
leave
the
property
in
absolutely
disgusting
conditions,
and
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
the
void
back
up
to
being
habitable
again.
Y
So
there
are
a
number
of
reasons,
also
we're
doing
a
project
now
called
the
inner
rooms,
which
is
we're
required
to
do
by
law,
and
when
we
move
people
out
of
their
flat
to
to
refurbish
it
doing
the
inner
room
section
of
it,
they
have
to
have
some
place
to
go.
So
that's
why
we're
holding
a
few
voids
as
well?
Y
Also
at
ashcroft,
we've
got
three
tenants
left
there
in
bungalows
and
we're
having
to
adapt
some
voids
now
for
them
to
go
into
it's
not
just
one
problem.
There
are
lots
of
problems,
but
with
regard
to
voids,
if
you
ever
get
a
question
on
one
do
come
back
to
akin
or
myself
pointing
that
particular
one
out,
and
we
can
tell
you
why
that
one
is
void.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
so
in
7.4
you
say
you.
I
feel
that
the
report
gets
slightly
vague
just
towards
the
very
end,
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
why,
but
in
7.4
it
says
larger
sites
posing
issues
around
fire
safety,
construction,
design
and
appropriate
accommodation.
C
We've
got
very
little
info
on
that.
That's
that's
quite
alarming.
I
wonder
if
we
can,
if
we
can
have
a
bit
more
detail
really
about
what's
going
on
there.
T
C
Appraisals
across
the
largest
size,
but
they're,
posing
some
other
issues
around
fire
safety,
construction,
design
and
appropriate
accommodation.
So
what
what
which
sites?
What
does
that
mean?
What
are
you
doing
about
it.
L
T
We
have
designed
a
capital
investment
package
for
up
close
and
when
we
went
into
talks
residents
about
those
they
were
showing
us
pictures
of
the
property
that
made
us
go
back
and
say
hold
on.
What's
going
on
here
when
we
dug
deeper,
we
realized
that
there
was
actually
major
issues
with
the
building,
which
is
what
started
the
conversation
around.
T
Actually,
what
do
we
do
with
this,
because
if
we
spent
six
seven
million
on
that
building,
it
still
wouldn't
increase
the
lifespan
of
that
building,
so
last
faster
the
concept
of
actually
should
we
be
investing
to
refurbish
all
of
this,
or
should
we
accept
that
has
come
to
the
end
of
his
life
and
do
something
else?
So
we've
got
buildings
like
that,
we're
looking
to
say:
let
us
learn
from
that.
Q
L
C
That's
really
bread
and
butter,
part
of
plan
maintenance.
Isn't
it
asset
management
plan
maintenance?
That's
what
you
do
you
don't
you
have
to
do
an
appraisal?
What
I
guess,
as
councillors,
I'm
asking
for
is
some
details.
So
have
you
got
a
a
map
out
of
all
the
the
buildings
that
you're
looking?
C
Have
we
appraised
five
of
them?
What
kind
of
condition
are
they
in
what
is
it
looking
like?
Are
they
you
know
looking
like
we
can
refurb
these
as
an
option?
Is
it
looking
like?
We
can't
refurb
these
as
an
option
you
know.
Have
we
got
some
more
information
about
which
wards?
What
which
buildings,
how
many
tenants.
T
A
Thank
you,
okay,
counts,
counselor,
aubry
had
her
hand
up
as
to
councillor
carson,
aubry,
don't
mind
who
goes
first
in
response
to
what
councillor
stanford
said,.
Y
It
was
just
an
addition
to
what
akin
was
saying
with
regard
to
the
particular
building
or
buildings
that
need
looking
at
most
of
our
buildings.
I
think
90
of
our
buildings
were
put
up
just
after
the
war
and
since
then
one
major
change
to
all
the
buildings
has
been
the
windows
when
these
buildings
were
put
up,
they
all
had
wooden
windows
and
the
air
was
allowed
to
circulate
through
they're
all
now.
Y
Pvc
windows
double
glazed,
no
air
in
at
all,
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
accelerating
the
damp
problem
and
everything
else
that
we're
getting,
and
I
I
honestly
don't
know
how
akan
is
going
to
do
it,
but
sorting
out
which
one
needs
to
be
dealt
with.
First
is
a
major
project
in
itself,
but
once
the
survey
has
been
done,
then
we
will
have
to
go
on
the
information
that
comes
in
on
that
and
I'll
just
say.
I
don't
end
the
him
at
all
on
on
that
particular
project.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Councillor
carol,
aubry.
V
V
Are
we
allowed
to
do
an
inspection
every
year,
just
as
the
private
sector
would
to
see
that
we
that
the
families
are
maintaining
the
garden,
the
areas
that
they
have
and
looking
after
them?
Well,
rather
than
when
it
comes
to
them?
Moving
out
that
actually,
the
home
is
not
always
in
the
same
position
as
when
they
moved
in,
and
I
say
this
because
we've
got
such
really
really
good
high
standard
new
properties
coming
to
ada
homes.
T
We
we
are
allowed
to
inspect,
but
not
every
year
because
to
be
seen
as
encroaching
on
their
quiet
enjoyment
of
the
accommodation,
but
we
we
have
done
inspection
already
as
the
first
part
of
the
six
months
when
we
moved
in
to
support
them
and
we
will
keep
doing
some
of
those
one
of
the
things
we're
actually
working
on
is
and
we're
calling
a
tenancy
audit
of
all
our
stock
and
at
some
point
we
want
to
go
into
each
of
our
properties
and
inspect.
T
That
then-
and
there
are
two,
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
for
that.
So,
first
and
foremost,
we
want
to
know
the
actual
state
of
it.
Secondly,
we
want
to
actually
know
who
is
living
in
our
buildings.
We
in
days
there
is
some
feeling
or
trying
to
put
this
in
a
better
way.
It
is.
It
is
not
beyond
the
realms
of
imagination
that
some
of
those
we've
led
the
properties
to
and
and
people
living
there,
and
we
need
to
know
that,
but
also
some
of
those
living
in
our
in
our
stock.
T
So,
for
example,
we,
if
we,
if
we
let
a
one-bed
property
to
a
couple
who
have
no
children,
they
may
not
have
three
children
and
not
have
said
anything
one
of
the
things
we
we
we
picked
up
just
by
coincidence,
because
somebody
raised
it
with
us
was
we
had
a
property
where
a
92
year
old
lady
was
living,
and
once
we
knew
that
we
began
to
ask
the
question:
how
are
you
coping
so
we
need
to
update
our
system
so
that
we
know
those
properties
and
we
give
them
more
attention,
but
also
it
helps
us
with
the
future
planning
as
to
who
who's
living
in
our
building.
T
What
type
of
accommodation
do
we
need
in
the
future?
What
should
we
be
building
where's
the
demand,
so
those
sort
of
audits
will
happen,
but
I
think,
as
there's
other
sorts
of
work
going
on
with
with
the
proactive
project
which
would
in
future
drawn
draw
those.
So
when
somebody
comes
to
us
and
someone
is
flagged
up
as
having
rent
arrears,
you
really
find
somebody
with
rent
areas
who
doesn't
have
other
support
needs
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
to.
T
In
future.
We
want
people
to
separate
enforcement
from
support,
so
the
person
chasing
them
to
pay
the
rent.
Isn't
the
same
person
saying
now.
Can
I
support
you
because
it
just
doesn't
work
so
we're
looking
at.
So
that's
why
I
said
we
are
making
progress,
but
there's
a
long
way
to
go,
and
this
is
where
the
the
council,
as
an
organization,
is
now
leaning
into
what
we
do
where
this
conversation
now
is
about
hold
on.
T
When
you
talk
about
housing,
there's
property,
you're,
bricks
and
mortar,
and
there
are
people
and
the
brics
are
not-
are
the
soviets
who
probably
don't
have
much
empathy,
but
the
people
side
is
different
and
they
lean
more
to
well-being.
So
what
you?
So
as
we
move
towards
making
ada
homes
the
whole
yourselves
of
the
whole
council,
you
will
see
us
lean
closer
towards
well-being
and
to
get
better
on
some
side
and
also
see
us
lean
more
towards
the
council
when
it
comes
to
corporate
bid.
So
we
have
assets
within
the
council.
T
T
So
you
will
have
a
housing
team
who
does
this
bit
of
work
for
in-home
residents,
and
you
have
planning
a
lot
of
people
who
do
assets
somewhere
else
for
argument's
sake
who
work
for
all
of
the
homes
and
what
that
means
is
you
will
begin
to
leverage
the
whole
expertise
of
the
council
with
neither
homes,
and
I
think,
as
as
a
councillor
has
already
was
saying
before
sometimes
in
the
home,
sounds
felt
like
the
pro-relations
of
the
rest
of
the
council,
and
I
think
I'm
grateful
to
the
niche
of
the
executive,
who
is
leaning
more
than
actually
making
that
happen
in
saying
no,
everybody
who
works
with
a
district
council
works
for
edelhamps
residence.
C
Counselor,
this
is
my
fourth
and
last
and
hopefully
a
quick
one.
There
was
quite
a
lot
of
talk
about
us
having
an
urban
ranger
for
ada
homes,
and
it
was
something
that
ada
homes
management
was
saying
to
us.
Oh
you
know
this
is
going
to
happen,
it's
going
to
be
great
and,
and
we
don't
have
to
explain
the
reason
why
that
would
be
a
fantastic
thing
and
as
a
counsellor,
that's
what
we
that's.
T
That
is
still
the
plot.
I
talked
about
having
a
housing
procurement
group
at
the
moment,
the
contract,
so
the
maintenance
of
our
grounds
is
contracted
to
our
internal
tax
team
and
that's
one
of
the
major
contracts
we
need
to
review
in
in
one
we
haven't
mentioned
so
far,
is
the
impact
of
all
these
expenses
on
the
hra.
T
The
truth
is,
the
hra
is
creaking
with
all
of
this
stuff.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
want
to
do.
We
need
to
do.
We
know
we
need
to
do,
but
there's
pressure
on
the
on
the
house,
revenue
account
and
so
we're
finding
that
we're
having
to
make
choices
as
to
what
do
we
do,
but
that
is
definitely
on
the
grounds.
But
again
part
of
the
conversation
is
about
yes,
who
housing
service
is
a
housing
service?
Should
we
we
need
the
whole
of
the
region
to
lean
into
that.
T
So
when
we're
talking
about
building,
doing
trees
and
grasses
in
other
parts
of
the
council
area,
the
same
thing
applies
to
ada
homes:
it's
no
different,
so
that
would
be
that's
a
so
there's.
There
are
little
projects
we're
all
doing
but
we're
having
to
prioritize
those
projects
as
we
go
on
so
urban
ranges
is
still
on
the
cards.
C
Thank
you
and
I
don't
need
to
say
this,
but
it's
you
know
it's
a
preventative
action
and
and
doing
that
prevention
at
the
beginning
saves
money
down
the
line.
You
know
in
terms
of
people's
well-being,
mental
health,
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
We
don't
need
to
put
a
rationale
to
this,
but
I
know
I
know
it
looks
like
a
fluffy
bit
of
spend,
but.
H
H
T
Thank
you,
councilor
about
balances.
Yes,
we
could,
I
think,
the
challenge
again,
I
go
back
to
the
housing
revenue.
Account
is
the
resources
we
need
to
do
this,
so
we
what
we
charge
social
rents,
which
is
much
less
than
affordable
rents,
which
means
the
income
we
get
is
quite
low
and
the
challenge
there
is
how
much
resources
do
we
do
with
that,
because
we
have
to
power
the
money
we
get
in
rent
so
and
just
say.
Well,
I'm
happy
to
see
if
you're
going
to
explain
how
housing
works.
T
So
we
have
a
small
money
pot
of
money
which
we
have
to
stretch
very
far.
So
we
have
to
make
choices
on
what
we
do
in
the
private
rental
sector.
They
can
choose
to
increase
their
rents
by
25
30
50
tomorrow
morning,
and
nobody
will
ask
the
question
we
can't
so
we
have
to
prioritize
and
choose
how
we
make
the
best
of
it.
H
So,
in
the
training
that
I
attended
yesterday,
it
seems
that
some
counsellors
are
already
heavily
invested
in
in
trying
to
support
what's
going
on
in
housing,
and
it
impressed
me
immensely.
Those
people
are
doing
that.
H
I
can't
pretend
that
I
might
be
as
good
as
that,
but
I
would
like
to
understand-
and
maybe
that
might
be
a
one-to-one
understanding
how
counselors
can
help
support
that,
because
some
counselors
have
got
more
time
than
others
and
some
have
other
things
that
they
have
to
take
care
of.
But
it
occurs
to
me
that
the
marvelous
job
you're
doing
does
need
further
support.
H
Y
Just
to
comment
on
that,
we're
now
in
the
process
of
organizing
a
seminar
for
all
of
the
councillors,
especially
the
new
ones,
on
where
ada
homes
is
now
and
where
we're
going,
and
this
will
be
shortly
august
and
this
will
be
in
august
as
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Y
May
I
just
say
one
thing:
I
I
across
the
road
here
is
cecil
norris
house,
one
of
the
first
things
I
did
when
neil
pushed
this
job
onto
me
was
vacate
that
building,
because
it
was
way
past
its
sell
by
date
it
it
only
has
15
units
in
it.
I
say
only,
but
you
tell
the
people
in
there
that
they're
only
one
of
15
that
doesn't
go
down
very
well,
because
it
is
their
homes.
Y
Now
that
is
their
their
home
now,
and
I
will
also
just
like
to
say
that
the
building
has
just
received
an
award
and
more
about
this
later
on.
U
L
A
Okay,
thank
you
here
we
are
yeah,
okay,
so
the
recommendation
is
that
we
note
the
report.
We,
I
think,
we've
discussed
this
very
fully.
The
working
group
will
obviously
meet
again.
We
haven't
got
a
date
fixed
yet
have
we
mark,
obviously
any
input
from
members?
Any
recommendations
will
be
gratefully
received
and
we
do
welcome
the
progress
that
is
being
made
to
transform
and
improve
the
aid
of
home
service.
So
thank
you
akin
to
you
and
all
your
team
and
thank
you
joan
so.