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A
Okay,
we're
going
to
make
a
start.
Welcome
to
this
meeting
of
the
Worthing
planning
committee,
introduce
myself
councilor
Jim
Dean
I'm,
chair
of
the
committee
this
evening.
I'll
just
run
down
the
other
members
of
the
committee,
so
particularly
for
those
who
are
online
and
are
welcome
to
those
who
are
online
this
evening.
A
A
Read
a
formal
Chairman's
statement
which
I
will
now
do.
I
should
also
have
introduced
our
other
people
who
are
here
on
at
the
front
on
my
rights,
James
Appleton,
this
head
of
planning
and
on
my
left
is
Caroline
Perry.
Who
is
our
legal
officer
this
evening
and
Katie
McMullan,
who
looks
after
our
administrative
matters
so
particularly
for
those
online
who
won't
be
able
to
read
the
labels?
Those
are
the
people
who
involved
this
evening.
So
my
my
notice
of
the
chair's
notice
is
please
note.
A
This
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
and
a
link
to
a
recording
of
the
meeting
is
available
on
the
council's
website.
The
recording
will
begin
at
the
commencement
of
the
meeting
and
it
has
already
commenced
and
will
conclude
when
I've
declared
the
meeting
closed.
The
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
to
view
for
one
year
and
will
be
deleted
after
that
period.
A
The
council
has
advertised
all
the
planning
applications
to
be
considered
this
evening.
Some
people
have
applied
to
the
council
to
speak
either
in
support
or
to
object
to
a
planning,
application
objectives
and
supporters
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
Ward.
Counselors
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
If
you've
registered
to
speak,
I
will
announce
you
at
the
right
time.
You
must
keep
your
comments
to
planning
matters
and
speak
within
your
time
limit
following
the
representations.
The
committee
will
discuss
the
planning
applications
in
turn
and
vote
on
each
application
to
reach
a
decision.
B
Notice,
thank
you
chair.
There
is
no
fire
alarm
plan
during
this
meeting.
If
the
fire
alarm
sounds,
please
leave
by
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly
point
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings.
The
assembly
point
is
to
the
front
of
the
museum
in
Chapel
Road.
Please
remain
at
the
assembly
point
until
advised
it
is
safe
to
return
to
the
building.
Any
persons
with
mobility
issues
must
head
to
the
nearest
stairwell
and
await
further
instructions.
B
A
You
very
much
I'm
not
aware
there
any
substitute
members
I
think
that's
right
can
confirm
that.
Yes,
are
there
any
Declarations
of
Interest
anybody
wishes
to
make
cancer
Atkins.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
right.
There
is
a
time
allotted
for
public
question
time,
but
as
we
have
no
public
questions,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Could
I
ask
the
committee
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
21st
of
September
that
they
are
an
accurate
record
if
you
can
just
not
by
a
sense.
Thank
you
right.
We
move
on
to
the
substance
of
the
meeting
and
I'll
ask
Mr
Appleton
to
proceed
with
the
first
presentation
of
the
first
application,
which
is
application.
A
A
D
Thank
you
very
much
just
start
off
with
an
aerial
photograph
of
the
site,
I'm
sure
this
is
very
familiar
to
to
members
the
Sainsbury's
Superstore,
just
at
the
top
of
the
screen
there,
the
other
retail
units
boots
and
the
others
to
the
south
of
the
Sainsbury's
store
and
then
to
the
other
side,
which
is
really
the
the
application
site
located
just
at
the
corner
of
the
the
the
Lions
Farm
retail
units,
where
the
proposal
for
it's,
it's
a,
not
just
a
drive-through,
but
it's
also
ability
to
a
sit
down
coffee
shop,
which
I'll
show
you
in
the
floor
plans.
D
So,
as
you
can
see
from
the
era
of
photograph
and
as
we
zoom
in
got
a
large
car
park,
nearly
400
car
parking
spaces.
This
is
taking
a
small
Corner
adjacent
to
where
there
is
Earth,
bunding
and
Landscaping
screening,
the
retail
Park
from
the
road.
D
This,
the
retail
part,
was
granted
planning
permission
many
years
ago
on
appeal,
and
this
is
and
and
has
since
it
opened
I've
been
a
very
busy
Junction
Set
of
Lights,
and
members
will
be
aware
that
we've
got
temporary
traffic
lights
there
for
some
time,
as
National
highways
are
testing
sequencing
of
Lights
to
try
and
help
smooth
traffic
flow
at
this
particular
very
congested
Junction.
D
But
the
proposal
is
to,
as
I
say,
to
put
a
drive-through
coffee
shop
on
that
corner.
D
As
you
can
see
from
that
aerial
photograph
there's
all
the
treat
screen
doesn't
extend
right
along
to
the
corner
of
the
junction,
and
there
is
a
a
sign
there
and
actually
you'll
see
in
some
of
the
other
photographs,
quite
a
a
good
direct
view
up
to
the
large
retail
units,
in
particular
The
Fairly,
bright
orange,
colors
of
of
B
and
Q,
and
there's
that
that
view
that
I've
just
mentioned
so
the
mature
tree
screening
is
predominantly
to
the
the
east
of
the
sign
there
and
along
the
eastern
boundary
of
the
site
with
the
national
park.
D
So
the
National
Park
have
been
involved,
and
you
see
from
the
reports
and
amendments
to
the
proposed
Landscaping.
The
the
Landscaping
is
very
it's
very
dense,
but
is
actually
probably
needs.
Some
thinning
out
and
part
of
the
problem
with
very
dense
planting
is
that
it
has
then
meant
that
some
trees
have
been
suppressed
and
probably
hasn't
had
the
same
degree
of
sort
of
management
that
it
probably
needed.
D
This
proposal
is,
as
you'll
see
in
a
moment.
You
can
see
the
difference
in
levels
and
the
proposal
is
to
effectively
provide
some
retaining
gabians
and
planting
around
the
the
edge
of
the
site
with
the
drive-through
running
around
the
building
on
the
southern
side,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
moment
just
some
photographs,
the
internal
internal
roundabout,
leading
with
the
petrol
Filling
Station
to
the
left
of
the
screen
there.
D
This
is
looking
to
the
eastern
boundary
with
the
National
Park
and
then
the
the
red
edging,
which
you
can
see.
The
extent
of
ownership,
is
the
Blue
Line
covering
the
the
rest
of
industrial
units,
sorry
retail
units
and
then
the
red,
edging
being
the
application
site
with
the
access
in
and
round.
D
So
that's
the
the
proposed
layout
so
effectively.
The
arrangement
is
that
if
you're
leaving
the
car
park
having
been
to
Big
Q
or
one
of
the
other
retail
stores
and
you're
not
going
to
go
to
the
coffee
shop
you'll
dive
around
here.
But
if
you
want
to
grab
a
coffee
on
your
way
out
of
the
the
retail
Park,
you
will
divert
round
the
the
southern
boundary
of
the
site
and
then
join
at
this
point
here.
D
Once
you've
picked
up
your
order
so
effectively,
there's
queuing
if
you're,
using
the
drive
through
around
the
building
with
the
road
looping
around
the
southern
boundary,
there's
pedestrian
access
from
the
footpath
up
into
the
site,
a
couple
of
disabled
spaces
and
a
couple
of
other
spaces.
If
you're
having
to
wait
to
pick
up
your
particular
order,
So
within
the
site,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
not
just
a
drive-through.
D
So
there
are
opportunities
for
just
to
go
in
and
sit
and
relax
and
have
your
coffee
as
well
as
grabbing
a
coffee
on
the
go
as
it
were
and,
as
the
report
indicates,
the
the
the
traffic
movements
are
quite
high,
but
have
to
be
balanced
against
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
passing
the
site
and
the
the
retail
and
air
quality
assessments
have
looked
at
potentially
488
movements.
D
But
if
I,
remember
rightly
for
when
we
were
discussing
the
a27
Improvement
scheme
two
or
three
years
ago,
I
think
the
sixty
thousand
vehicle
movements
on
the
a27
so
putting
it
into
context.
There's
a
significant
amount
of
movements
through
the
a27
throughout
the
day.
But
nevertheless,
as
the
environmental
health
officer
indicates,
we
have
undertaked
undertaken
the
air
quality
mitigation
assessment,
which
does
indicate
that
there
would
be
a
need
for
mitigation,
which
is
usually
an
on-site
mitigation
or
an
off-site.
D
D
Colleagues,
one
of
the
key
issues
that
we
have
with
monitoring
along
the
a27
is
a
robust
monitoring
data
and
making
sure
that
we
maintain
our
air
quality
monitoring
and
we
do
work
with
national
highways
on
that
air
quality
monitoring.
So
I
mentioned
air
quality
mitigation,
but
I
suspect
it
may
be
that
that
money
will
help
us
maintain
and
ensure
robust
monitoring
of
air
quality
data.
But
there
are
other
measures
that
we
are
preparing.
A
action
plan
for
our
air
quality
Management
areas
and
that
action
plan
would
identify
other
measures
potentially
to
mitigate.
D
They
may
be
fairly
Limited
in
terms
of
new
planting
opportunities
working
with
national
highways
and
obviously
the
key
change
in
terms
of
air
quality
will
be
encouraging
people
to
travel
more
sustainably
and,
if
they're
going
to
travel,
to
use
electric
vehicles
or
public
transport,
but
that
that
would
be
something
that
the
council
will
be
Consulting
on
in
due
course
in
terms
of
detailed
action
plans
for
our
air
quality
management
areas
so
effectively.
That
would
address
the
mitigation.
Normally.
D
The
report
talks
I
think
in
one
line
about
the
engagement,
the
national
highways
and
we've
had
no
objection.
It
hasn't
quite
been
that
easy
for
the
applicants
in
terms
of
engaging
with
national
highways
and
and
demonstrating
to
National
highways
that
this
wouldn't
have
a
material
impact
on
the
a27
members
know
the
junction
very
well
and
it
can
get
very
congested,
but
and
within
the
retail
park
it
can
get
very
congested
within
the
internal
roundabouts.
But
this
is
really
providing
a
service
to
those
that
are
within
the
site
and
potentially
passing
by.
D
That
might
want
to
come
in
and
and
get
a
takeaway
coffee
in
terms
of
the
building.
The
officers
have
been
pleased
with
the
the
design
approach
taken
to
this
building.
It
is
quite
a
prominent
corner
site,
but
as
you'll
see
from
the
visual
here
and
I
particularly
mentioned
the
the
retaining
wall
structure
around
and
the
opportunities
for
planting
around
here
and
the
fact
that
this
is
quite
an
open
corner
with
the
large
sign.
D
Actually,
it
does
create
some
more
visual
interest
and
break
up
the
view
looking
up
the
more
utilitarian
sort
of
retail
units,
so
it
actually
creates
a
bit
more
interest
on
the
road,
Frontage
and
Visually.
Your
offices
are
are
comfortable
with
the
scheme
from
a
design
perspective,
so
I
think
the
key
issues
are
probably
traffic
parking
and
air
quality.
We've
sort
of
addressed
air
quality
and
and
parking
and
traffic
has
been
subject
of
many
months
negotiation
and
discussions
with
national
highways,
but
they
are
now
comfortable.
D
They
have
those
suggested
that
it
would
be
important
to
restrict
the
type
of
takeaway
facility
here
and
primarily
as
a
coffee,
shop
and
takeaway,
rather
than
a
hot
food
takeaway,
which
they
feel
there
is
evidence,
a
support
that
if
it
was
one
of
the
the
national
sort
of
chains,
McDonald's
or
KFC,
that
there
would
be
significantly
greater
traffic
and
may
have
more
of
an
adverse
impact.
So
you'll
see
one
of
the
conditions
recommended
is
to
limit
the
nature
of
sales
from
this
facility.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
can
I
add
a
question
then
straight
away
on
the
question
of
tree
loss
and
tree
replacement.
Can
you
just
indicate
where
the
trees
are,
that
will
be
felt
and
the
nature
of
those
trees
and
what
is
actually
replacing
them.
D
Yes,
chairman,
the
the
main
impact
is
is
is
in
this
sort
of
area
of
the
site
where
the
the
road
comes
around
and
if
we
go
back
to
the
photograph,
it
might
be
the
easiest
thing
to
sort
of
identify
that
it's
that
part
of
the
site
that
where
there's
some
direct
impact
and
then
the
applicants
are,
you
can
just
see
some
the
site
sort
of
clips
that
that
part
of
trees
there.
D
But
there
has
been
a
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
whether
there's
an
opportunity
for
enhancement
of
the
rest
of
the
some
of
this
and
management
of
the
tree
screen
and
you'll,
see
from
the
discussions
with
the
national
park,
the
the
potential
for
influencing
the
species
of
replacement
trees.
And
if
I
just
go
back
to
the
plan,
you
can
see
some
of
the
proposed
replacement
planting
in
this
location.
That
would
be
a
detailed
Landscaping
condition,
but
a
national
park
and
their
landscape
offices
did
indicate
where
they
would
like
to
see
some
some
more
beneficial
landscape.
D
Landscaping
done
so
10
would
be
removed
and
they
are
too
big
but
replaced
and
some
of
those
trees.
We
have
got
a
comprehensive
survey
of
the
rest
of
the
trees
and
some
of
those
trees
are
will
be
thinning
out
as
well,
where
there's
been
sort
of
you
know,
as
you
can
see
from
this
plan,
some
extensive
sort
of
planting
within
this
area.
D
It
is
perhaps
something
that,
with
a
lot
of
these
planting
schemes
on
the
edges
of
retail
Park,
so
they've
just
sort
of
dense
planting
and
then
left
as
it
were,
rather
than
managing
those
landscape.
Buffers.
Okay,.
A
Just
for
the
sake
of
clarity,
when
you
say
doing
work
elsewhere
site
clearly,
this
is
extends
quite
a
long
way.
Around
B
and
Q
I'll
be
what
was
regarded
as
a
b
and
Q
Car
Park.
The
ownership
of
this
site
remains
with
the
the
retail
Park
it's.
That
is
that
the
case
so,
but
the
application
is
by
another
entity
or
the
retail
Park
itself.
D
It's
by
the
retail
Park,
so
that's
the
plan
that
just
shows
the
extent
of
the
ownership
and
I
I
guess.
Synopsy
agent
can
confirm
I
suspect,
there's
a
lease
arrangement
with
once
the
building's
erected,
but
we'll
get
confirmation
of.
E
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
Mr
Appleton
I'm
slightly
confused
about
the
trees,
because
what,
as
far
as
I,
understand
the
plans
and
the
design
and
access
statement,
all
the
existing
trees
actually
within
the
red
line
of
the
site,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
application
that
will
be
felt,
they
will
all
be
gone
and
the
trees
next
to
it.
E
That
belt
of
trees,
which
we
saw
in
the
photograph
which
are
magnificent,
not
we're
not
looking
at
them
as
Kew
Gardens
tree
specimens,
we're
looking
at
them
as
air
cleaners,
carbon
dioxide
absorbers,
Ray
heavy
rainfall
absorbers
and
providing
shade
in
a
situation
where
climate
change,
heat,
Heavy
Rain
is
accelerating
and
I'm
very
concerned
at
this.
What
seems
to
me
a
very
almost
glib
will
thin
them
out
and
cut
them
down
and
put
in
some
new
ones
and
I.
Just
think
that
it's
this
is
the
most
air
polluted
part
of
Worthing
apart
from
Grove
Lodge.
E
D
Chairman,
don't
sorry
if
I've
misled
in
any
way,
I
mean,
as
the
report
indicates,
that
the
applicant's
Keen
to
avoid
no
net
loss
and
and
trees
that
have
to
be
felt
within
the
red
Edge
in
Japan
are
to
be
replaced
and
that's
where
the
national
park
has
been
Keen
to
include
more
native
and
larger
copies,
multi-stem
tree
species
and
that
that's
where
their
involvement
about
the
replacement
trees.
But,
yes,
the
rest
of
the
tree.
The
only
reason
I
mentioned
the
rest
of
it
is
because
it
is
very
extensive
it.
D
D
That's
separate
to
this
proposal,
which
is
just
looking
within
the
red
edging,
as
you
say,
in
terms
of
replacing
the
trees
that
they
lost
page
15
sets
out.
But
so
that's
sorry
if
I
mention
that
in
passing.
But
it
was
just
really
an
indication
of
the
extent
of
landscaping
and
does
provide
a
really
effective
screen.
Doesn't
it
along
the
rest
of
the
road
Frontage.
G
Seven
years
training
thank
you,
Mr
Upton,
I'm,
just
going
to
ask
I
think
you've
already
sort
of
confirmed
twice
to
us.
My
question
was
similar:
we've
got
a
very,
very
large
eastern
and
southern
boundary.
We've
got
a
much
smaller
outlined
in
red
development
site,
so
included
in
these
proposals
are
to
remove
trees
within
the
red
boundary,
but
there
are
no
there's
no
piggybacked
as
such
application
to
start
removing
trees
from
the
other
part
of
the
site.
Presumably.
D
That's
right
and,
and
probably
it's
me
perhaps
giving
an
indication
of
discussion
that
we've
had
on
a
wider
respect
with
the
with
the
with
the
owners
about
the
rest
of
that
cops
and
there's.
You
know,
there's
other
discussions
around
future
management,
but
in
terms
of
this
application.
Yes,
it's
very
much
within
the
red
edging
has
set
out
in
the
Ripple.
Thank.
G
You
very
much
and
just
a
second
question
if
I
made
sure
in
the
addendum
report
that
we
were
sent
earlier
third
paragraph
towards
the
end,
the
financial
contribution
which
would
be
required
for
use
by
the
council
in
off-site
air
quality
mitigation
activities.
G
Could
you
throw
maybe
a
couple
of
examples
of
what
such
a
thing
might
be
at
us,
so
that
we
understand
properly
what
that
would
entail?
Thank
you.
D
Yes,
I
mean
I,
I
did
sort
of
add,
including
monitoring,
because
I
think
our
environmental
health
officers
said
that
the
main
focus
has
been
on
updating
and
maintaining
a
good,
robust
air
quality
monitoring
equipment.
D
So
that
will
be
part
of
it,
but
I
think.
Certainly
the
discussion
and
our
environmental
health
officers
are
looking
at
consultation
on
an
action
plan
that
would
include
other
measures
and
that
may
well
be
part
of
the
discussions
that
a
number
of
authorities
are
having
around
additional
planting
and
to
what
extent
planting
can
help
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
of
air
quality
and
looking
at
other
measures.
D
Now
most
of
the
other
measures
have
been
around
looking
at
financing
additional
electric
charging
points,
so
certainly
in
some
locations
it
may
be
collecting
funding
from
various
developments
that
might
help
fund
the
role
out
of
electric
charging
points
on
on
roads
throughout
the
the
borough.
So
there's
a
number
of
things
and
that
will
be
subject
to
further
consultation
when
environment
Health
colleagues
produce
and
consult
on
their
air
quality
action
plan.
G
C
Thank
you
chair
a
minor
question.
Can
you
remind
me
what
Ward
this
is
in
as
as
both
Wards
are
blank
here.
H
A
A
Is
going?
Thank
you
we
should.
We
should
know
our
Awards
but
I.
Obviously,
don't
sorry,
okay,
we'll
we'll
confirm
that
in
due
course,
we
have
a
correction
having
just
consulted
a
map
in
Southington.
It
is
often
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
councilor
Cochrane.
J
D
And
we
did
I
mean
obviously
we've
that
the
hours
are
the
maximum
that
can
be
allowed
and
it'll
be
up
to
the
operator
whether
there
are
any
other
restrictions
within
that
time
that
they
want
to
do,
but
given
the
the
the
location
and
the
distance
away
from
residential,
which
is
on
the
south
side
and
the
intervening
road
which
is
still
busier,
you
know
10
30,
11
o'clock
at
night
either
didn't
feel
from
our
environment
Health
officers,
any
concerns
about
the
hours
of
operation,
and
generally
it's
going
to
be
other
than
Vehicles.
D
It's
going
to
be
a
fairly
quiet
operation,
so
they
didn't
have
any
concerns
in
terms
of
effect
on
the
Menses
of
residents
in
the
area.
A
Like
that,
thank
you
Council
Cochran,
okay,
we
have
one
one
speaker
representing
the
applicant.
The
applicant's
agent,
kiril,
Malkin,
I,
hope
I
pronounced.
That
correctly.
Do
you
want
to
come
forward
to
the
to
the
desk?
There
Carol
is
represents
Montague
Evans,
the
planning
consultants
for
the
applicant
thanks
very
much.
You
have
three
minutes
and
you
press
the
red
button.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you.
Yes.
Yes,
that's
perfect
pronunciation!
Thank
you
good
evening,
chair
good
evening
councilors.
My
name
is
Carol
Malkin
I'm,
a
planning
partner,
Montague
Evans
I'm,
the
agent
for
this
application
on
behalf
of
the
owners
of
the
retail
Park
I,
did
have
a
speech
prepared,
but
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions.
So
I
think
it's
probably
better
to
respond
to
the
questions.
Rather
than
do
my
pre-prepared
speech,
I.
K
K
K
Yeah
my
questions-
that's
fine,
yeah
I
think
exactly
the
questions
you're
much
more
most
interested
in
anyway,
so
the
soft
Landscaping
scheme
and
the
trees,
the
original
scheme
that
was
submitted,
we
didn't
have
a
net
loss
of
about
four
or
five
trees,
but
following
discussions
with
with
James
and
his
officers
and
as
well
as
well
as
South
Downs,
the
scheme
was
revised
and
I've
got
no
net
loss
of
trees.
K
Now
the
trees
that
we
are
removing
are
car
park,
trees
they're,
not
trees
along
the
a27,
so
all
the
trees
are
just
they
were
originally
planted
when
the
retail
Park
was
built.
So
it's
not
they're,
not
part
of
the
of
the
frontage
along
the
27
or
the
eastern
boundary.
K
The
second
point
was
about
highways,
and
we
are
very
pleased
that
finally,
National
highways
are
supporting
all
the
application.
It's
taken
us
a
long
time
to
get
here
because
of
the
way
that
they
operate.
The
processes
there,
but
we're
very
pleased
that
they're
finally
confirming
their
happy
subject
to
the
conditions
that
are
set
out
in
the
committee
report
and
the
other
point
just
to
add,
is
EV
charging
I.
Think
that
was
just
raised
just
now,
I
think
as
part
of
the
General
Estate.
K
We
are
looking
at
potentially
recharging
spaces,
but
that's
just
other
future
strategy.
We're
we're
not
there
yet
with
the
application,
but
that's
something
that
could
be
part
of
the
strategy
going
forward
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
more
General
kind
of
more
generalities.
K
It
is
a
positive
scheme
and
it
will
generate
investment
and
employment
opportunities
in
a
local
area.
We
are
anticipating
about
15,
ft,
equivalent
jobs.
Most
of
these
jobs
are
local
jobs.
They'll
go
to
the
local
community,
so
we'll
be.
There
will
be
a
direct
benefit
to
them
and,
as
you've
seen
it's
a
high
quality
scheme.
It's
not
it's
not
enough
for
shelf
design.
It's
a
bespoke
design
with
kind
of
high
quality,
Landscaping
high
quality,
elevations
and
Timber
cladding.
It
will
be
Sustainable
Building
we're
proposing
a
source
heat
pump.
K
It's
it's
way
above
building
reg's
requirement
moments,
so
it
is,
it
will
be
a
again:
it's
not
enough
shelf
construction,
it's
kind
of
it's
going
a
step
or
two
beyond
what
is
what
is
going
to
generally
required
at
this
stage.
So
it's
a
positive
scheme,
a
lot,
a
lot
for
yourself,
I,
think
James,
James
kind
of
did
a
presentation
which
is
kind
of
ticked
off
everything
off
my
list.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Carol
you
just
stay
there
and
I've
got
any
questions
for
Carol.
E
K
I'm
not
sure,
but
there
will
be
I'm
sure
there'll
be
a
condition
which
we'll
deal
with
plant
and
I
think
it's
typically
just
plant
equipment
and
for
a
year
that's
such
as
this
it'll
just
be
it's
quite
limited
effectively.
Just
the
air
conditioning
unit
for
the
coffee
shop,
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
plant
or
any
kind
of
Machinery
used
under
the
unit.
That's
fairly
limited.
Actually,
okay,.
E
Thank
you.
So
if
it's
33
and
there's
66
percent,
which
is
on
fossil
fuel,
not
on
Renewables,
but
it
seems
to
me
quite
a
significant
amount.
K
I
E
K
E
K
It's
I'm
not
an
M
engineer
but
I
think,
given
the
scale
the
size
of
the
unit,
it's
it's
almost
more
difficult,
given
how
small
the
unit
is,
there's
fairly
limited
kind
of
what
you
can
do
to
it,
but
that's
yeah,
yeah
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
I'm,
not
condo
anymore.
E
K
E
K
The
sitting
areas
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
the
unit
and
I
believe
the
canopy
of
the
building
will
provide
shade.
So
the
sitting
here
is
Facing
East.
K
K
J
Just
a
quick
one
chat,
it's
just
to
see
just
to
ask
how
long
a
build
would
take
for
such
a
unit
and
put
in
place.
K
G
Thank
you
chair.
Thanks
for
coming
in
Mr
Malkin
you're
going
to
use
a
lot
of
electricity.
Presumably
electricity
is
very
expensive
at
the
moment.
Looks
to
me,
like
other
than
some
service.
Ducks
you've
got
a
lovely
flat
roof
there.
Forgive
me
if
I've
missed
it
in
the
details,
how
many
solar
panels
are
you
proposing
to
install
on
the
building?
There's.
A
A
Sorry
now's
your
moment,
if
you
want
to
debate
the
issues
that
have
been
raised,
I
should
have
just
given
a
a
bit
of
an
indication
before
we
went
into
questions
for
those
representing
themselves
or
their
or
the
applicants.
If
you
can
stick
to
questions
that
are
matters
of
fact
and
if
you've
got
feelings
about
them,
then
save
that
for
the
debate
section
when
you
can
reflect
on
what
they've
on
the
answers
they've
given,
if
you
think
it's
appropriate
to
the
way
you
feel
about
the
application.
G
You
chair,
I,
might
as
well
follow
on
what
my
thoughts
were
leaking
out
at
that
previous
moment.
I
I
think
it's
a
huge
Omission
not
to
put
any
PV
panels
on
the
top
or
solar
voltaic
or
whatever
they're
called
it's
quite
startling.
We've
gone
out
of
our
way
now
for
some
months
to
encourage
this
to
be
put
on
buildings
that
were
never
designed
specifically
for
them.
Here
we
have
a
building
that
I
I
would
have.
E
E
Very
strongly
I
mean
it
could
have
been
a
green
roof
as
well,
which
would
have
encouraged
some
biodiversity
gain.
I
I'm
sure
that
Costa
has
its
very
rigid
controls
over
how
it
presents
its
exterior
to
attract
people,
but
I
think
this
is
a
really
lost
opportunity.
It's
very
disappointing
that
there
isn't
more
attention
paid
to
the
biodiversity
aspect
and
the
energy
saving
aspect
and
again
I'm
going
to
repeat
that.
I
think
that
the
absence
of
shade
the
absence
of
mature
trees
is,
is
a
loss
to
everybody
in
that
area.
I
H
She's
concerning
the
site-
this
is
a
mixed
area.
There
is
residential,
relatively
close
by
the
people
living
in
those
houses,
are
subjected
to
that
road
as
it
is,
and
essentially
we're
we're
adding
to
their
woes.
H
There's
talk
about
money
for
sort
of
mitigation,
well,
measuring
I
think
we
know
already
what
a
bad
state
that
roads
in
and
how
bad
the
air
quality
is
measuring
and
then
what
you
know,
then?
H
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
the
information
that
we
find
when
we
measure
just
how
terribly
bad
that
is
I
appreciate
it's
not
a
planning
matter,
but
personally,
I
have
no
sympathy
for
Coca-Cola
or
Costa
coming
into
our
town
and
their
environmental
credentials
are
very,
very
poor,
I'd
like
to
see
them
do
more,
at
least
within
the
building.
There's
no
reason
at
all
why
that
building
shouldn't
be
all
electric
that
I
can
think
of.
D
Yes,
I
mean
just
a
couple
of
things:
I
mean
I,
I,
think
just
on
the
tree.
Planting
I
think
certainly
is
something
that
we
can
discuss
with
the
applicants
in
terms
of
the
size
of
replacement
trees.
You
can
see
from
the
the
image
there
that
some
of
the
the
trees
that
are
within
the
sort
of
Site
Area
are
are
smaller
species,
but
certainly
there
is
the
opportunity
with
replacement,
as
indicated
by
the
national
park,
that
we
can
get
some
good
quality
native
replacement
trees.
D
There
is
opportunities
for
further
planting
as
well
and,
as
you
can
see
from
that
bundle,
it's
pretty
pretty
devoid
of
any
landscape,
so
I
think
we
can
secure.
As
indicated
in
executive
Landscaping
scheme,
appropriate
replacement,
trees,
I
think
on
the
biodiversity
issues.
Yes,
I
mean
I,
think
that's,
it
could
have
always
had
a
a
green
roof
or
you
know
you
take
choice
in
terms
of
PV
or
green
roof,
but
it's
something
that
necessarily
has
been
promoted
with
this
application,
but
I
suppose
the
issue
is.
Is
it
still
acceptable?
D
Are
those
issues
disappointing
to
members,
but
actually,
overall,
the
scheme
you
know
is
acceptable
and
complies
with
current
and
emerging
planning
policy.
The
air
quality
one
is
a
difficult
one
as
well,
because
this
is
largely
on
a
trunk
road
which
air
quality
is
responsibility
of
national
highways.
And
of
course,
we
do
know
that
there
are
many
millions
of
pounds
in
a
pot
to
carry
out
Road
improvements
to
the
a27.
D
The
last
scheme
that
was
consulted
on
didn't,
find
favor
and
wasn't
progressed,
but
part
of
the
mitigation
for
air
quality
is
to
look
at
that
a27
tran
Corridor
through
what
is
a
built
up
area,
and
there
are
clearly
issues
with
the
number
of
vehicles
that
are
using
it.
So
I
think
it
is
a
small
contribution
towards
a
wider,
bigger
problem
of
air
quality,
and
this
is
largely
dealing
with
providing
a
facility
for
customers
and
for
those
already
passing,
rather
than
necessarily
adding
to
air
congestion
problems.
So
I
understand
fully
what
members
are
saying.
D
D
You
can
always
go
further
than
that,
but
in
policy
terms,
if
they're
exceeding
there
isn't
any
basis
for
a
refusal
of
the
scheme
so
overall
in
design
terms,
your
officers
are
comfortable
with
this
game
and
actually
they're
will
enhance
that
corner
and
be
an
attractive
addition.
I
don't
think
there
was
anything
else
chairman
to
answer
that.
Certainly
if
members
feel
that
we
should
at
least
perhaps
encourage
the
applicants
to
consider
what
else
can
be
done
in
terms
of
green
roof
or
or
PV,
that's
perhaps
something
we
could
add.
A
B
I
mean
I
I
am
prepared
to
accept
that
this
is
going
to
be
passing
trade
I
can't
see
people
jumping
into
their
cars
and
making
a
special
trip
up
there
for
a
coffee
at
Costa,
but
I
am
concerned
about
air
quality
generally
and
I.
Think
you
said,
Mr
Appleton
that
this
some
of
this
30
000
could
be
used
to
finance
air
quality
monitoring
elsewhere,
and
there
are
north
south
roads
off
the
a27
and
into
into
Worthing
I'm
thinking.
B
You
know,
Dominion
Broadwater,
so
farm
and
South
Street
and
at
least
three
of
those
heavily
used
by
school
children
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
monitoring,
though
done
on
those
roads,
because
I
think
there's
a
serious
air
quality
issue
there,
which
we
we
do
need
to
get
on
top
of.
D
D
I
think
that
may
be
something
we
can
certainly
look
at
and
other
developments
in
the
town
I
think
the
problem
here
is
that
we
would
we
have
to
under
the
seal
regulations
it
has
to
be
reasonably
related
to
the
development.
So
really,
if
we
are
taking
money,
then
we
would
be
holding
that
to
look
at
mitigation
for
the
immediate
area,
probably
some
of
those
roads,
you're
mentioning
are
going
too
far,
but
I
think
the
general
point
about
doing
more
monitoring
over
a
wider
area
is
something
that
you
know.
D
E
Any
amount
of
rain
causes
big
big
buildup
of
of
rain
at
the
sides
of
the
a27
and
I'm
concerned
about
this
area
as
well.
So
what
has
been
done?
There
is
a
note
in
the
papers.
It's
on
flooding
and
surface
water
drainage
on
page
17,
I,
don't
know,
I
should
have
asked
you
before
Mr
Appleton,
I'm,
sorry
I
didn't
to
see
details
of
the
proposed
surface
water
drainage.
Has
this
now
been
given
and
are
you
satisfied
or
will
it
be
conditioned.
D
Somehow
yeah
our
drainage,
Engineers,
usually
if
they
have
any
concerns,
require
details
to
be
submitted
and
not
recommended
condition.
In
this
case,
they
are
happy
just
to
a
condition
to
require
surface
water,
drainage
details
to
be
submitted,
so
I
think
that
drainage
Engineers
have
made
that
comment,
that
no
objections,
subject
to
that
condition
being
added.
D
So
we're
planning
condition
added
on
to
the
decision
notice
and
the
applicant
would
have
to
discharge
that
condition.
Details
be
submitted
and
they
are
then
published
on
the
website.
So
the
details
are
available
and
we
will
then
consult
Engineers
to
check
their
comfortable
with
the
information
submitted
and
if
they
are,
we
will
discharge
the
condition.
E
Thank
you
and
the
last
point
I
just
wanted
to
make
as
much
of
information.
There
is
a
company
now
that
makes
solar
panels
that
can
go
on
green
roofs.
You
can
have
both
I
have
carried
the
paper
in
my
folder
for
ages
and
today,
I
haven't
got
it
but
I'll.
Let
you
know
so.
You
can
have
a
green
roof
with
solar
panels,
especially
designed.
G
Thank
you,
chair
extremely
briefly,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
even
required
that
I
need
to
do
this.
Mr
afton's
suggestion
that
he
has
discussions
with
the
applicant
regarding
some
solar
provision.
That
would
be
most
welcome.
In
fact,
I
really
would
have
thought
it
was
in
the
applicant's
best
interest
to
do
so
fairly,
uncontentious
I
think,
and
it
would
be
good
to
see
thank.
A
You
very
much
I'm
sure
the
applicants
have
noted
that
any
other
comments
anybody
wishes
to
make
I
mean
from
from
my
point
of
view,
speaking
as
a
member
of
the
committee
now
rather
than
this
chair,
I
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
application
in
terms
of
its
sustainability
elements,
and
these
have
been
extensively
raised.
A
I'm
happy
that
the
the
the
landscape
issues
have
been
talked
about
and
and
that
there
has
been
a
good
reaction
from
the
applicants
in
terms
of
what
they're
prepared
to
do.
A
I
noticed,
there's
been
some
real
thinking
going
on
at
the
reference
to
multi-stemmed
trees
to
actually
limit
the
amount
of
or
create
more
Leaf
cover
down
to
the
ground
is
is
very
much
welcomed,
I
think
often
in
these
cases-
and
we
will
be
talking
about
this
a
bit
more
later-
with
applications
that
the
tree
issue,
we
tend
to
see
them
as
lollipops
on
the
plan
and
that's
about
all
and
and
often
they
don't
end
up.
A
Looking
like
that
or
aren't
even
planted
so
I
think
there
has
been
a
fair
bit
of
consideration
given
to
that
on
in
this
particular
regular
application.
A
I
think
in
terms
of
the
volume
I
mean
I
I
did
a
little
look
on
Google
Earth
today
to
see
what
what
that
Junction
looked
like
at
a
what
was
the
kind
of
average
time
of
the
day,
and
there
were
actually
130
stationary
cars
at
that
moment
in
time
at
that
Junction
in
various
parts
of
it
and
you
you
can
see
that
in
terms
of
number
of
cars
per
per
hour,
bearing
in
mind
that
I
think
the
the
figure
here
is
something
like
20
an
hour.
A
So
maybe
one
ever
at
one
of
the
additional
car
in
relation
to
that
120
at
the
junction
that
are
idling,
so
I
think
it's
an
issue
and
obviously
these
things
are
cumulative
and
they
do
add,
but
I
think
it's
probably
less
of
an
issue
than
we
perhaps
might
think
and
I
think
how
were
it
a
a
a
a
more
important
issue.
It
would
have
been
highlighted
by
the
the
the
console
tease
on
this
issue.
A
I
think!
That's!
That's
really
all
I
I
want
to
say
I
am
looking
for
a
a
proposition,
the
recommendation.
A
A
Is
to
delegate
the
decision
to
approve
the
application
to
the
head
of
Planning
and
Development,
subject
to
the
receipt
of
satisfactory
planning,
obligate
obligation,
unilateral
undertaking
requiring
a
financial
contribution
for
air
quality
mitigation.
The
conditions
set
out
in
the
agenda
and
the
following,
informative
is
added
to
the
decision
to
decision
notice.
The
application
applicant
is
encouraged
to
erect
signs
within
the
site,
encouraging
drivers
to
turn
engines
off
whilst
queuing
to
reduce
the
level
of
car
emissions
before
I.
Put
that
out
to
members
and
I
will
do
in
just
a
moment.
A
I
I,
it's
reminded
me
I
did
mean
to
ask
informatives
and
encouraging
doesn't
sound,
very
prescriptive.
I
would
much?
Is
it
possible
for
it
us
to
be
a
much
more
prescriptive
on
the
issue
providling?
It's
one
of
the
Pains
of
my
life
to
sit
here
at
all
our
level
Crossings
with
cars,
throwing
out
fumes
all
around
me
just
because
there
are
signs
that
say.
Would
you
please,
rather
than
you
must.
D
I
I
would
have
thought
it's
still
going
to
be
something
along
the
lines
of
try
Bazaar
reminded
to
something
like
that
to
please
turn
engines
off
so
certainly
whether
it's
an
informative
or
condition
we
can.
We
can
tighten
up
the
wording
and
the
encouragement
to
the
applicants,
who
were
remind
drivers
of
the
the
benefits
of
turning
off
engine
to
us
cueing.
It's
a
particular
problem:
Worthing,
isn't
it
at
level
Crossings,
which
particularly
gets
my
my
angular
levels
Rising,
but
we
can.
Certainly,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
Tim,
fine.
A
K
B
So
I
was
going
to
say
and
Mr
Appleton
you
may
have
seen
them
the
new
signs
that
I
get
saved,
Farm,
Road,
they're,
much
better
they're,
bigger
and
I
forget
exactly
what
they
say,
but
they
get
the
message
across
much
more
clearly.
So
I
think
the
new
signs
are
are
adequate.
A
C
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
adopt
the
officers
revised
recommendation
with
the
tightening
up
wording
has
been
suggested.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
a
seconder
for
that
Council
coxell
can
I
move
to
the
vote,
their
nose
in
favor
of
the
motion
as
presented.
A
A
B
A
A
A
The
second
application
is,
as
you
can
see,
for
the
benefits
of
those
watching
application:
awdm
1855,
stroke
21.,
which
is
an
application
for
the
site.
27
Woods,
Way,
Goring,
Worthing
The
Proposal
is
a
change
of
use
from
sui
generis
to
include
retail
workshops
and
offices.
Resubmission
of
application,
awdm,
0681,
stroke,
21.
A
We've
got
that
one
right,
I
know
this
time:
okay,
Mr
Appleton.
Do
you
want
to
start.
A
D
You
thank
you
chairman.
This
is
the
unit
the
subject
of
the
application
Gil
kale
are
have
been
operating
from
this
unit
now
for
a
while.
So
it's
a
retrospective
application,
there's
the
front
elevation
showing
the
the
building.
It
is
a
use
very
similar
to
the
facility
at
Meadow
Road
that
we
discussed
at
the
last
meeting
with
the
the
vacant
unit
next
to
the
greenhouse
at
Meadow
Road.
D
The
proposal
is
or
the
the
use
of
the
premises
is
really
as
a
a
donation
center,
particularly
looking
to
have
bulkier
Goods
donated
furniture
and
the
like.
But
as
you
can
see
from
the
report,
you
know
at
times
there
are
other
items
that
are
delivered
there
and
there
is
quite
a
a
a
largest
retail
area
within
the
premises
for
for
people
to
go
and
and
to
buy
a
second-hand
Goods.
D
There's
the
unit
members
may
recall,
or
some
members
May,
that
there
was
a
quite
a
controversial
proposal
by
a
local
gym
previously,
which
was
refused
to
the
the
the
north
of
this
particular
unit.
This
is
the
floor
plans.
It
shows
the
drop-off
area,
Under
The
Canopy,
here
the
the
workshop
storage
staff
facilities
and
the
the
retail
area,
the.
D
Mezzanine
area
indicated
there
and
that's
all
the
plans
really.
The
key
issues
for
the
application
are
the
the
loss
of
employment
floor
space.
Although,
as
you'll
see
from
the
report,
the
applicant
stresses
that
the
the
business
does
employ
10
members
of
staff
and
a
number
of
volunteers,
and
certainly
probably
more
than
the
previous
car
repair
business
that
operated
from
this
particular
unit.
D
The
the
key
issue
is
that
this
is
a
protected
employment
site
and,
as
you'll
see
from
our
comments
from
our
planning
policy
team,
considerable
concern
about
the
the
loss
of
this
employment
unit,
particularly
in
light
of
our
emerging
local
plan
and
current
core
strategy.
D
Our
members
will
be
aware
that
we
have
now
had
our
inspectors
report
on
our
emerging
local
plan,
which
endorses
our
approach.
Our
spatial
strategy
and
our
emerging
plan,
and
hopefully
later
this
year,
possibly
at
Council
in
in
December,
we'll
be
putting
a
report
up
to
adopt
the
the
new
emerging
local
plan.
D
So
the
the
context
there
is
sort
of
the
the
policy
consideration
and
whether
this
would
be
appropriate
as
an
exception
to
policy
I.
Think
the
situation
on
our
industrial
sites
has
changed
quite
radically
with
the
relaxation
of
the
permitted
development
rights
and
the
relaxation
of
the
use
classes.
Order
whereby
B1
industrial
uses
can
now
go
to
retail
uses
that
fall
within
Class
E,
and
that
was
recognized
by
the
local
plan
inspector
and
he
endorsed
the
fact
that,
where
we
have
got
control
over
industrial
premises,
we
should
seek
to
protect
them.
D
Notwithstanding
the
new
use
classes
order,
but
I
think
the
the
the
the
relaxation
of
the
use
classes
order
is
an
indication
of
of
a
blurring
between
different
uses
and
the
retail
uses
sometimes
could
be
appropriate
in
employment
sites.
We
certainly
haven't
got
the
same
Clear
distinction
between
retail
and
employment
that
we
used
used
to
have,
and
the
other
situation
is
that.
One
of
the
reasons
why
the
applicant
has
sought
to
find
this
unit
goes
back
to
the
discussion
we
had
a
month
ago.
Talking
about
Meadow
Road.
D
The
the
issue
is
complicated,
because
the
council
is
the
landowner
of
the
site
at
Meadow,
Road
and
part
of
the
the
main
reasons
why
gilcad
were
looking
for.
Another
unit
was
because
they've
got
no
security
of
tenure
at
their
site
in
Meadow
Road,
with
a
Redevelopment
break
Clause.
That
means
they
could
be
within
a
fairly
short
period
of
time
having
to
vacate
the
premises
in
Meadow
Road.
D
That's
why
members
agreed
it
last
month
to
allow
a
relaxation
of
policy
next
door
to
the
greenhouse
to
allow
them
to
expand
into
that
unit,
and
here
we
have
this
proposal.
Certainly
you'll
hear
from
The
Guild
care
in
a
moment,
but
certainly
whilst
they
they
welcome
the
three-year
temporary
permission.
D
It
still
leaves
them
in
a
very
difficult
period
of
uncertainty,
because
they
then
effectively
have
three
units
with
an
uncertain
future,
and
the
ideal
thing
would
be
to
have
some
certainty
around
the
Meadow
Road
site
and
just
to
remind
members
because
it
might
have
been
a
slightly
different
committee
last
month.
The
Meadow
Road
site
is
a
site
where
the
council
has
indicated
to
the
occupier
Gill
care
that
it
would
be
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
potentially
a
Redevelopment.
D
There
has
been
a
project
to
look
at
whether
that
site
is
underutilized
and
therefore
there
is
some
uncertainty
around
whether
the
the
council
would
seek
to
activate
the
Redevelopment
Clause
of
the
lease
a
difficult
situation
for
the
applicant,
so
the
applicant
did
submit
an
application
a
year
ago.
This
is
a
resubmission
at
the
time.
D
There
was
concern
from
a
policy
point
of
view,
and
it
was
suggested
that
the
they
may
be
able
to
benefit
from
the
new
relaxed
use,
Class
E,
so
the
applicant
did
withdraw
that
application
and
put
the
certificate
of
lawfulness
into
demonstrate
that
this
unit
was
an
unrestricted
B1
use,
but
unfortunately,
its
previous
use
as
car
repairs
meant
that
it
fell
outside
of
a
B1
and
hence
couldn't
benefit
from
the
relaxed
use.
Class
E,
which
would
have
given
it
a
retail
use
and
wouldn't
have
needed
planning
permission
so
the
applicant.
D
Unfortunately,
during
that
period,
Then
did
enter
into
a
lease
and
that's
why
it's
a
retrospective
application.
They
were
assuming
that
they
would
be
able
to
benefit
from
the
new
use,
Class
E,
so
a
bit
of
a
messy
situation
for
the
applicant,
and
certainly
the
councils
involved.
As
a
landowner,
as
well
as
a
planning
Authority
here,
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
paint
a
picture
of
explaining
why
the
recommendation
is
one
of
on
balance.
D
A
temporary
permission
I
think
it's
important
for
the
applicant
as
a
a
very
important
charity
to
the
town
that
we
support
them,
particularly
in
these
in
in
this
current
economic
climate,
and
this
type
of
facility
supports
the
charity
and
all
the
shops
across
the
the
borough.
D
So
the
recommendation
is
a
three-year
temporary
permission.
That's
very
much
just
to
enable
hopefully
the
council
to
decide
the
long-term
future,
the
Meadow
Road
site,
but
I'll
leave
it
to
gilcare
to
explain
why
their
ideal
position
would
probably
be
a
permanent
permission
here
and
I
won't
dwell
into
that,
but
I'm,
just
explaining
the
the
the
basis
for
the
on
balance
recommendation.
So
hopefully
that's
clear,
German
but
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
because
I've
I've
explained
quite
a
lot
of
background
there.
D
It
is
in
the
report,
but
I
appreciate
its
complicated
spread
over
two
sites
and,
of
course,
we
now
have
a
site
on
the
east
of
Worthing
and
now
on
the
west
of
Worthing.
So
you
might
hear
more
of
that
but
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
the
presentation.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
just
before
we
come
to
questions
I
I
omitted
to
formally
announce
what
the
results
of
the
previous
application
was.
So
just
for
the
sake
of
absolute
Clarity,
the
downland's
retail
Park
application
was
approved
with
a
vote
of
six
four
and
two
abstentions.
Thanks,
so
I
should
have
done
that
formally.
So
any
questions
to
Mr
Appleton,
yes,
Council
Cochran,.
J
Yes,
thanks
chair
the
employment
policy
concerns
that
you'd
demonstrated
there,
the
bringing
for
having
that
unit
in
that
spot
in
that
location,
surely
feed
to
other
businesses,
so
there's
more
trade
does
not
outweigh
the
need
for
employment,
so
they,
the
other
businesses,
will
indeed
then
have
to
employ
more
people
to
service
that
trade
that
that
particular
store,
which
is
different
to
every
unit.
That's
around
there.
It
would
feed
into
the
feed
into
the
general
economy
of
the
entire
area.
J
I've
I've
recently
been
in
that
shop
and-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
people
and
we
could
not
park.
So
we
found
what
we
needed
as
well.
That
was
the
that
was
the
best
bit
about
it.
So,
but
after
that,
following
that,
we
went
into
the
paint
counter
to
decide
what
we
were
going
to
paint
the
house
in
and
bought
paint.
We
wouldn't
we
weren't
going
to
do
it.
We
just
went
to
the
trade
counter
opposite.
That's
that
type
of
thing.
It's
yeah,
it's
as
you
could
say,
shopping.
L
D
It's
an
interesting
point
and
of
course
the
applicant
makes
mention
of
trade
counters
which
do
attract
certain
amount
of
retail
I
mean
this
is
obviously
a
a
predominantly
retail
use,
but
there
is
a
storage.
There
is
the
bulky
goods
and,
of
course,
I
suppose.
The
only
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
is
that
bulky.
Goods
retailing
is
quite
often
a
justification
being
in
an
out
of
town
location,
so
the
range
and
other
bulky
goods-
and
you
could
argue
that
this
is
a
a
bulky,
Goods
type
retailer.
D
That
would
also
not
demand
a
sort
of
a
town
center
shop
which
clearly
wouldn't
want
to
encourage
out
of
town
center
retail
as
a
general
rule.
So
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
mitigate
and
would
justify
a
temporary
permission
here,
and
that's
that's
another
one
in
terms
of
how
that
might
have
linked
Ripple
effects
across
the
industrial
site.
D
One
of
the
negatives
is,
and
you
mentioned
it
is
obviously
we
have
had
industrial
sites
where
sometimes
other
uses
have
then
generated
significantly
greater
numbers
of
traffic
and
parking,
which
then
makes
the
industrial
site
more
or
less
attractive.
Having
said
that,
that's
generally
been
thinking
of
IV
Arch,
where
We've
Ended
up
with
a
sort
of
music
venue
and
a
mosque
and
a
boys
club,
and
and
so
you
end
up
watering
down
the
the
appearance
and
character
but
I
think
that's
that's
an
extreme
example.
G
Thank
you,
chair
and
again
Mr
Upton,
just
a
quick
issue
of
clarity.
The
recommendations
part
two
of
which
it's
a
three-year
permission
is
that,
as
of
now
as
such
or
as
of
the
beginning
of
the
period
of
time
for
which
it
is
slightly
retrospective,.
D
A
And
could
I
just
just
add
or
ask
a
confirmation,
so
that
particular
use
for
that
building
would
die
at
the
moment
that
that
application
is
given
up
by
by
the
current
applicant,
or
would
it
only
die
at
the
end
of
three
years?
If
you
get
my
point,
does
it
return
back
to
the
original
use
at
the
point
at
which
the
three
years
ends
or
at
an
earlier
date?
If
it's
not
Guild
Care
on
site.
D
If,
at
the
end
of
the
three-year
period
gilko
was
still
occupying,
then
there
was
the
issue
about
whether
you
then
serve
a
Bridge
condition
notice
or
whether
you'd
reconsider
it.
If
there
was
a
further
application
submitted
within
the
three-year
period.
A
Thanks
very
much,
that's
any
other
questions
on
this.
G
Very
quickly,
on
top
of
your
question,
chair
were,
if
it
was
such
that
gilcare
moved
out
within
a
year,
would
that
permission
end
with
them
vacating
the
building,
or
would
that
then
remain
in
place
for
a
another
organization
to
take
advantage
of
to
use.
D
A
A
Okay,
well,
I
moved
to
speakers.
We
have
Mr
Adam
Ryder
of
Gil
Karen
Hayden
Jones
The
Architects.
Are
you
going
to
come
in
order
or
right,
Mr,
Jones,
I,
think
yep,
okay,.
L
You
and
thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
speaking
tonight,
for
the
support
of
the
guild
care.
James
has
just
explained
him
in
brief.
Some
of
the
history
and
I
won't
go
into
too
much
of
it,
but
there
were
some
procedural
anomalies
which
are
the
body
repair
shop
in
the
process
of
the
application
and
close
to
the
Target
determination
date.
L
We
were
surprised
to
received
a
contact
from
from
the
planners
requesting
us
to
withdraw
the
application,
considering
it
to
be
a
change,
the
change
of
views
from
light
industrial
to
be
permitted
development
under
the
new
class
E
use
class.
This
was
for
them
formally
confirmed
by
the
planning
department,
but
we
advised
gilcat
to
put
in
a
certificate
of
lawfulness
to
ensure
that
we
secure
the
the
use
class
which
we
duly
did
in
in
June
2021.
L
After
about
two
months,
we
were
surprised,
then,
to
receive
a
country.
Advice
from
from
the
plan
is
that
the
change
of
use
application
was
correct.
Our
first
application
was
correct
and
we
would
be
need
to
resubmit,
which
we
duly
did.
Sadly,
in
in
that
time,
Guild
care
went
into
a
five-year
lease
for
the
property.
The
point
of
this
brief
history
Lee
is
the
underlying
difficulties
and
disruption.
A
three-year
planning,
Gap
approval
would
have
for
the
charitable
work
of
Guild
care
and
the
termination
of
a
five-year
lease.
L
The
whole
reason
for
the
new
outlet
is
to
circumvent
the
potential
closure
of
the
greenhouse
in
Meadow
Way,
which
is
a
six-year
lease
and
a
six-month
termination
if
Worthing
choose
to
redevelop
it
for
housing,
The
Proposal
sent
to
the
greenhouse,
provides
for
workshops,
storage
and
Retail
use
and
employs
about
seven
to
ten
people.
40
volunteers,
including
community
members,
who
are
considered
to
be
disabled
or
with
special
needs,
which
is
to
call
work
of
Guild
care.
L
L
Is
consent
with
employment
disapproval
provides
employment
to
a
diverse,
diverse
Community
of
the
community
and
contributes
to
the
revenue
undertaking
and
the
community
work
in
Worthing.
A
three-year
approval
would
require
staff
to
be
made
redundant,
incur
Financial
loss
to
the
charitable
organization
and
potentially
leave
guild
care
with
no
large
drop-off
store
if
the
med
away
was
to
close,
we
therefore
request
the
committee
to
consider
strategically
the
long-term
needs
of
diverse
Community
employment
in
that
judgment
tonight
and
Grant
a
permanent
change
abuse,
and
not
just
three
years.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I
I
think.
Do
you
want
sorry.
A
J
J
A
change
of
use:
do
you
for
see
any
winding
down
of
the
East
Worthing
site
or
with
that
go
anyway?
Was
it
just
the
fact
you
want
to
run
one
or
two
stores,
I,
don't
quite
follow.
It's.
L
Probably
best
if,
if
Adam
ride
that
answers
that
question
but
I
think
you
know
it
essentially
it
is
there
because
you
know
the
potential
loss
of
of
greenhouse
would
leave
the
guild
care
with
a
a
big
hole
in
their
opening.
A
A
B
F
F
F
Woodsway
in
West
Worthing
was
identified
as
a
permanent
continuity
site
and
Via
due
legal
process,
a
contract
was
signed,
committing
Guild
care
to
a
significant
financial
investment,
but
providing
peace
of
mind.
The
security
of
a
permanent
continuity
location
should
Worthing
Borough
Council
serve
six-month
notice
for
Guild
care
to
vacate
greenhouse
and
Meadow
Road
Site.
F
Clearly
we're
here
today
because
of
policy
and
miscommunication
in
the
due
diligence
process
with
regards
to
the
re-categorization
of
the
unit
from
a
car
repair
shop
to
an
E
you've
heard
today
that,
prior
to
gilcare
signing
that
contract
written
permission
was
received,
granting
change
of
use
2E
under
the
new
legislation.
You
also
heard
that
a
written
request
was
made
to
gilcare
to
withdraw
its
planning
application.
F
Post-Contract
and
significant
financial
investment,
and
after
many
months
of
trading
gilcare
received
an
email
requesting
a
resubmission
to
planning
to
change
the
use.
I
understand
that
I
accept
policies
are
made,
but
from
a
customers
our
perspective,
Guild
care
adhered
to.
The
policy
we've
created
employment
for
circa
10
people
more
than
the
previous
tenant.
We
created
a
safe
space
for
volunteers
to
come
and
gain
work
experience.
We
service
the
community
of
West
Worthing
that,
in
these
troubled
Financial
Times
need
our
support.
F
Should
these
two
locations
cease
to
be
in
operation
if
a
permanent
status
was
approved,
we
this
would
provide
security
of
employment
for
our
staff,
security
of
income,
that
is
of
charitable
purpose,
further
investment
in
staff
and
buildings,
as
well
as
providing
a
standalone
unit
that
serves
the
community
on
the
west
of
Worthing,
which
is
independent
of
the
greenhouse
that
serves
the
community
on
the
east
of
Worthing.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
very
much
thank
you
very
much
any
questions
to
Mr
Ryder,
please.
F
E
You
Jeff
thank
you
Mr
Ryder,
for
explaining
so
clearly
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
in
my
judgment,
to
have
the
permanent
change
of
use.
I
understand
all
the
employment
zoning
issues,
but.
E
E
A
Would
really
like
to
give
gilchers
some
I'm
just
wondering
whether
whether
I
we
should
take
comments
first
and
then
come
back
to
Mr
Appleton
to
sort
of
sum
up,
because
there
may
be
other
other
views
or
supporting
views
and
I
have
some
thoughts
of
my
own
as
well
so
councilor
Cochrane
do.
J
You
want
to
come
in
now,
I've
got
supporting
views
chair,
my
daughter's
autistic,
my
son
attends
Ashdown,
Center
I've
got
a
Haviland
house
in
my
board,
no
more
that
doesn't
have
Gill
care
slaps
in
it
somewhere.
If
we
don't
support
anything
to
do
with
a
charity
that
brings
so
much
to
the
town
that
we're
failing
the
residents
who
use
it
and
the
presence
it
serves.
A
I
B
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
both
councilors
so
far,
I
I
was
actually
not
sure
what
what
to
do
on
this
application,
but
I
think
councilor
Cochran
actually
swayed
me
earlier
when
he
was
talking
about
how
how
busy
this
places,
which
is
great
to
hear,
but
also,
of
course,
that
would
have
a
beneficial
effect
on
you
know
on
the
the
units
nearby
and
therefore
the
local
economy,
so
so
I,
you
know
I'm
angling
towards
towards
proving
with
also
would
like
to
hear
from
Mr
Appleton
about
the
three-year
okay.
Thank.
G
A
Thank
you.
Everybody
else
wish
to
comment.
Yeah
I
mean
this.
Is
this
issue
of
the
length
of
time
is
clearly
one
of
the
more
critical
ones,
but
it's
also
a
matter
of
balancing,
what's
happening
in
in
East
Worthing
as
well,
because
clearly
there
is
a
potential
issue
there
and
we're
probably
string
into
areas
that
we
we
shouldn't
but
kind
of.
We
have
to
a
really
discuss
in
reference
to
this.
This
application.
A
A
It's
it's
hard
to
anticipate
I,
suppose
my
question
to
Mr
Appleton
would
be
three
years,
doesn't
sound
an
unreasonable
time
to
give
that
degree
of
security
to
Guild
care
for
for
a
considerable
period
anyway,
and
presumably
at
the
end
of
that
time,
we
may
be
clear
as
to
what
what
is
happening
at
that
stage
and
therefore
be
able
to
either
continue
or
respond
to
a
further
application
at
that
stage
for
continuity
of
use
or
not,
as
the
case
may
be,
according
to
how
things
were
elsewhere
within
the
guild
care
framework
of
like
of
premises,
they
have
that's
a
bit
will
live,
but
I
think
you
probably
get
what
I'm
aiming
at.
A
How
can
we
in
effect,
respond
to
a
change
at
three
in
at
the
end
of
three
years
to
extend
that
to
help
guilt
care
over
that?
What
may
be
a
potential
problem.
D
Okay
right,
how
best
to
respond
to
so
there's
a
there's.
A
couple
of
things
I
think
it's
important
for
members
to
consider
I
think
at
at
one
level
you
consider
the
planning
application
on
its
merits
and
whether
the
merits
of
the
applicant,
the
employment
and
the
nature
of
the
use
is
except
or
not
having
due
regard
to
planning
policy.
D
So
so
members
may
consider
that
actually,
a
permanent
change
of
use
may
be
acceptable
on
its
planning
merits
from
what
you've
heard
about
what
the
applicant
does
and
the
nature
of
this
use,
and
maybe
satisfied
the
the
nature
of
the
use
and
the
employment
generated
and
other
benefits
would
help
to
mitigate
any
potential
precedent
being
set
for
other
changes
of
use.
That
may
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
industrial
state.
So
that's
the
sort
of
first
thing
to
say
capturing
the
discussion
about
the
merits
or
otherwise,
of
a
permanent
change
of
use.
D
The
justification
from
your
pot
from
your
officer's
point
of
view,
was
temporary
and
I.
I
should
say
government
generally
frowns
against
temporary
permissions
unless
their
sort
of
trial
periods
or
is
a
good
reason
for
it.
Three
years
is
quite
a
long
period
for
a
trial
permission,
but
it
corresponds
with
a
decision
taken
at
Meadow
Road
really
with
the
uncertainty,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
applicant
first
went
to
look
for
another
industrial
unit
was
that,
hopefully,
within
the
three-year
period,
we'd
have
some
certainty
about
Meadow
Road,
two
things
of
caution
there.
D
Secondly,
I
I
suppose,
even
if
we
do
know
the
certainty,
it's
how
quickly
you
know
that
might
come
forward
for
an
alternative
Redevelopment.
So
I
think
you
know
on
the
temporary
side
of
things.
The
justification
is
that
it
is
temporary
within
that
period
would
have
certainty
and
either.
This
is
then
reconsidered
for
permanent
use,
which
I
think
is
the
Chairman's
point.
You
could
then
reconsider
when
you
might
know
what
happened
at
Meadow
Road.
D
If
we
don't
know
what
the
situation
is,
Meadow
Road,
the
applicants
can
still
come
back
and
say,
look
in
two
years
time
with
well
within
the
three-year
period.
I
still
don't
know
what's
happening,
you
know
about
long-term
security
at
Meadow
Road,
and
actually
this
is
doing
really
well
serves
a
a
a
new
catchment
area
and
actually
I'd
like
a
permanent
permission
here
and
members
could
still
consider
that
within
the
three-year
period,
so
there
are
options
there
for
members,
but
I
suppose
just
on
its
planning
merits.
D
E
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
so
my
question
to
Mr
Appleton
is:
could
we
not
change
in
your
recommendation?
Point
two
to
give
this
change
of
use
for
the
period
of
their
contract
so
that
they
wouldn't
have
this
and
I
think
it
is
a
fair
three
years
is
both
very
short
as
well,
as
very
long
depends
on
how
you
look
at
it
yes
and
to
have
the
uncertainty
at
murder,
Road
and
the
uncertainty.
E
D
Yes,
I
mean
I
think
we
discussed
last
time
that
you
know
a
lease
and
planning
our
two
different
things,
but
certainly
I
can
understand
the
desire
to
sort
of
coordinate
the
planning
with
the
lease.
But,
of
course
the
three-year
period
was
more
about
understanding
the
certainty
of
Meadow
Road,
rather
than
whatever
length
lease
is
available
or
not
to
to
these
particular
premises,
but
I'm
slightly
nervous
about
going
Beyond
three.
Just
because
of
the
the.
Although
government
doesn't
necessarily
talk
about
a
time
period.
D
It's
an
option
to
Grant
it
it's
three
or
it's
an
option
to
permanent
permission.
The
three
options
really
for
for
members.
A
Okay,
yes,
girls
are
white.
G
Thank
you,
chair
I,
don't
wish
to
jump
the
gun
here,
but
but
is
it
a
suitable
juncture
actually
to
make
a
proposal
this
to
recommendations.
A
E
Sure
is
this
the
moment
to
suggest
an
amendment
before
a
proposal
or
wait
for
the
proposal
and
then.
A
Reading
the
the
council
White's
look,
I
think
the
proposal
is
going
to
make
is
an
amendment.
Yes,.
G
If
I
make
the
proposal
that
we
accept
the
recommendations
from
our
officers
as
they
stand
and
in
doing
so
now
give
anybody
the
opportunity
to
amend,
said
proposal.
A
A
H
Sorry
can
I
just
clarify
something
because
I'd
actually
be
happy
with
either.
So
it's
a
bit
hard
like
for
me.
I,
don't
maybe.
A
H
A
Think
yeah
I
think
you
need
to
comment
just
it's
a
bit
unusual
to
come
in
in
the
middle
of
this,
but
if
it
just
to
help
us
get
through
this
little
process
of
getting
to
the
right
I.
D
D
C
D
A
E
I
A
A
I
A
I've
tried
to
keep
I've
tried
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible,
but
we
have
a
proposal
to
accept
the
recommendation
as
it
is
and
I
think
we're
now
going
to
get
it
as
a
proposed
amendment
to
that.
Oh
now
we
have
a
second
to
counselor
councilor
White's
proposal.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
it
will
fall?
If,
if
you,
if
there
is
no
second,
there.
D
A
Okay,
so
we
now
have
a
a
new
proposal
on
the
table
from
councilor
Cochran.
Do
you
want
to
put
that
proposal
forward
now.
A
It's
it's
the
as
recommended,
but
with
four
years
three.
F
A
A
A
D
A
D
Chairman
can
I
can
I
just
I
think
it
would
be
quite
important
that
we
have
a
a
reason
for
that
decision
and
I
will
I've
just
noted
down
some
of
the
key
things
in
terms
of
employment,
the
nature
of
the
charity,
the
bulky
goods
and
the
fact
that
provides
long-term
security
for
an
important
local
charity,
because
I
think
that
sets
up
yeah.
Thank.
A
You
I
think:
that's
that's
fine.
We
are
happy
with
that.
Yeah
thanks
very
much
thanks
those
procedural
things
are
always
difficult,
but
we
we
got
there.
Okay,.
A
Awdm1397
stroke
22
Sports
Pavilion
in
Church,
Road
Worthing
single
story,
extension
to
the
west
side
of
existing
Bulls
Pavilion
to
provide
an
additional
changing
room
and
accessible
WC.
The
applicant
is
wording
Borough
Council
and
that's
why
it's
been
brought
to
committee.
What
is
tearing
obviously
and
the
recommendation
is
to
approve.
D
A
wonderful
aerial
photograph
which
shows
the
building
and
its
relationship
to
the
the
listed
towering
Church
and
we've
got
some
various
photographs
showing
where
the
extension
is
planned.
The
the
nature
of
the
existing
building
relationship
with
the
the
church
across
the
the
Bowling
Greens
as
tennis
courts,
and
you
can
see
the
extension
on
the
West
Side
just
to
the
rear
adjacent
to
the
tennis
courts,
showing
the
proposed
extension
and
internal
arrangements
and
then
some
elevations,
showing
the
the
slight
lean
to
on
the
side
of
this
building.
D
It's
not
considered
the
development
has
any
impact
on
the
the
setting
of
The
adjacent
church
and
even
if
there
is
any
minimal
impact
that
are
obviously
significant
public
benefits
with
extending
the
facility
and
improving
facilities
for
users
of
the
the
sites.
That's
recommended
that
Planning
Commission
be
granted.
E
D
Is
a
a
toilet
provision
there
and
so
there
may
be
an
obviously
additional
lighting.
So
there
are
some
power
implications.
E
So
my
my
question
was
in
the
construction:
is
there
going
to
be
any
kind
of
insulation
or
regard
paid
to
the
reduction
of
whatever
energy
is
being
used
as
much
as
is
possible
and
sensible
in
such
a
in
such
an
extension.
D
I
mean
it's
certainly
compared
to
the
existing
buildings,
probably
a
higher
level
of
insulation
than
the
existing
and
obviously
in
terms
of
looking
at
LEDs
and
and
low
energy
light
fittings,
and
the
light
would
be
something
we
would
be
looking
for
as
part
of
any.
But
I
haven't
got
the
details
of
the
that
level
of
detail
on
this.
A
We
have
one
speaker,
World
councilor,
councilor,
Rita,
Garner
speaking
in
in
favor
of
the
applicant
application,
thanks
for
waiting
so
long.
If
you'd
like
to
make
your
presentation,
it's
three
minutes.
M
Thank
you
very
much
chair
so
good
evening,
so
I'm
here
to
support
this
application
as
the
ward
counselor
and
currently
there's
only
a
men's,
changing
room.
It
wasn't
clear
from
the
description
and
this
extension
would
provide
for
the
first
time,
a
changing
area
for
women
and,
in
fact,
the
toilet
that
you
saw
on
the
drawings
is
a
publicly
accessible
toilet.
M
It's
not
accessible
from
the
changing
room
and
it
is
a
toilet
that
is
accessible
for
people
with
Mobility
problems
that
could
be
used
for
people
in
the
park
where
there
isn't
a
an
accessible
toilet
currently,
as
well
as
people
that
use
the
Bowls
Club.
So
when
meeting
with
Priory
Bowls
Club
I
was
really
heartened
to
see
their
commitment
to
increasing
diversity
of
their
membership
and
not
just
more
women
players.
M
The
accessible
toilets
available
to
people
in
the
park,
as
I've
said,
and
when
the
tennis
courts
are
relayed
next
year.
There's
the
opportunity
for
people
who
use
Wheelchairs
and
have
other
accessibility
problems
to
have
access
to
sports
facilities
and
to
go
to
the
toilet
as
needed.
So
if
you
can't
haven't
got
a
toilet,
there
you're
unlikely
to
be
able
to
use
it
as
a
sports
facility.
M
D
J
A
Anybody
else,
I
wish
to
say
anything
can
I
have
a
proposal.
Then
I
saw
Council,
Council,
Atkins
I
think
had
your.
A
A
We
moved
to
a
vote
on
this.
Those
in
favor.
A
A
D
D
We
took
advice
and
felt
actually
they're,
not
particularly
nice
specimens,
and
actually
they
were
going
to
provide
some
replacements,
but
as
soon
as
the
trees
started
to
get
failed,
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
from
local
residents
saying
well,
I
thought
these
trees
were
being
retained,
as
did
some
of
the
members
on
the
planning
committee,
but
it
just
highlighted
you
know
an
issue
for
officers
and
for
the
members
and
the
the
cabinet
member
for
for
a
regeneration
and
strategic
planning
in
Ada
asked
for
a
report
about
how
do
we
end
up
losing
trees
that
were
meant
to
be
retained?
D
So
it's
quite
a
long
report
to
the
cabinet
member,
but
it
was
a
bit
of
a
hanging.
Our
dirty
washing
out
in
public
and
saying
look
I
can
see
how
it's
happened
and
and
we
we
need
to
tighten
procedures
to
avoid
it
sort
of
happening
again.
If
trees
are
shown
and
approved
by
a
planning
committee,
there
needs
to
be
a
more
explicit
process
for
then
the
applicant
to
try
and
then
explain.
D
The
second
issue
that
we've
had
on
a
couple
of
sites
in
Worthing
and
Ada
has
been
where
applicants
are
very
keen
to
plant
in
Highway
land
or
highway,
verges
or
indicate
planting.
That
then
doesn't
happen.
D
The
the
example
in
Shoreham
was
the
Redevelopment
of
the
parcel
Force
site,
where
highways
then
wanted
additional
pavement
for
a
psychopath,
which
is
fine,
but
they
then
lost
any
space
for
the
trees
that
were
part
and
shown
on
the
computer.
Computer
generated
images
of
these
wonderful
trees
along
the
frontage
residents,
moved
in
and
said.
Well,
where
are
these
trees?
D
What's
happened
to
them,
and
we've
had
something
similar
in
Worthing
with
Bayside,
where
the
Rafi
was
very
keen
to
plant
in
what
is
a
very
wide
pavement
and
had
it
was
quite
clear
that
that
was
part
of
the
plans,
the
County
Council.
Obviously,
highways
were
aware
that
trees
were
planned,
but
of
course,
when
it
gets
to
the
detailed
Highway
point
and
different
colleagues
at
where
Sussex
considered
and
say:
oh
no,
it's
all
these
Services
Under
the
pavement
there's
no
way
you
can
have
trees
there.
D
But
of
course,
we
as
officers
and
planning
committee
and
the
public
have
approved
it
with
trees
planted
along
the
front
of
the
development
and
I
can't
remember
as
a
journal
or
the
herald.
But
someone
did
a
before
and
after
and
said,
look
there's
trees
missing.
D
So
that's
another
example
where
we
are
now
starting
to
say
to
developers.
We
want
to
have
computer
generated
images
without
trees,
because
we
want
to
see
the
buildings
and
actually,
if
you
are
going
to
show
trees,
show
them
as
trees
at
the
start
of
the
development,
not
after
the
development's
30
years
old
and
you've
got
some
maturity
and
it's
actually
a
sapling,
that's
been
planted
and
equally
we
need
more
information
at
the
planning
application
stage.
D
So
so,
if
you
know
that
was
a
key
part
of
the
consideration
of
an
enhanced
public
realm
in
front
of
Bayside,
we
probably
needed
County
to
have
considered
that
and
come
back
to
us
and
said:
yes,
that's
fine,
but
they
can't
be
there.
They
have
to
be
somewhere
else,
but
that
work
wasn't
done
and
because
it
was
outside
the
applicants,
control
Rafi
homes.
To
be
honest,
didn't
know
what
was
underneath
the
pavement.
D
It
just
said
it
would
be
nice
if
we've
got
this
wider,
if
I'm
going
to
provide
more
pavement
must
have
space
for
some
trees.
In
the
end,
what's
happened
really
because
we'd
already
approved
the
Landscaping
scheme
and
the
highways
had
already
taken
the
decision.
They
couldn't
have
the
trees
roughly
Holmes
when
we
wrote
to
them
sort
of
said
well
like
what
I
can
do.
D
D
D
It
has
to
be
more
explicit
in
the
conditioned
discharge
application
and
thirdly,
just
that
point
about
cgis
and
trying
to
be
stricter
with
applicants
about
not
trying
to
sell
their
schemes
and
artistic
license
with
sketches
or
cgis
just
trying
to
show
something
that
actually
won't
be
the
reality
when
it's
built,
so
that
that's
the
report
really
but
I
just
thought,
I'd
go
into
a
bit
longer.
D
It
was
just
a
short
report,
just
in
closing
what
had
gone
to
Ada,
but
it's
equally
relevant
to
Worthing
and
we've
got
equally
the
similar
examples
to
to
Ada.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Appleton
I
I
kind
of
wanted
to
use
this
as
an
option.
I
I
mean
I
very
much
welcome
what's
in
in
this
report,
because
clearly
there
are
issues
that
we've
faced
several
times
already
over
the
within
this
committee,
let
alone
previous
committees,
so
I,
say
I,
very
much.
Welcome
it.
A
I
I
I
think
we
can
go
a
lot
further
and
I
I
told
Mr.
Upton
I
was
going
to
talk
about
going
further
and
he
blanched,
but
I
hope
it
won't
be
too
frightening.
A
I
just
think
that
we
we
we
quite
often
find
ourselves
talking
about
landscape
and
trees
and
all
those
things
to
do
with
an
application,
and
we
often
find
ourselves
actually
without
enough
information
either
about
the
size
of
the
trees,
what
they
are,
if
it's,
if
it's
in
relation
to
trees,
what
they
will
look
like
in
five
years
time,
ten
years,
how
will
they'll
be
managed?
A
I
mean
we
again
referred,
referred
to
the
situation
at
eppert,
Lion's
Farm,
where
the
original
Landscaping
clearly
was
defined,
but
it
was
defined,
probably
as
a
belt
of
trees,
and
then
it
was
stuffed
full
of
little
whips,
which
then
end
up
a
few
feet
apart
without
any
suitable
management,
and
so
the
end
result
is
very
different
from
probably
what
was
in
the
original
drawings.
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
suspect
it.
It
is,
and
we
quite
often
find
that
we're
we're.
A
What
actually
happens
in
practice
is
not
what
we
thought
would
happen
when
it
came
to
us.
Oh,
we
just
didn't
have
enough
information
to
know
what
was
going
to
be
there,
not
just
in
the
in
in
trees,
but
also
in
the
rest
of
the
landscape.
You
know
with
the
surfaces
the
amount
of
grass
the
amount
of
permeable
surfaces
and
so
on
quite
often
were
lacking
in
that
kind
of
information
and
I.
A
Just
wonder-
and
this
is
the
the
Mr
when
we
Blanche
about
as
to
whether
we
should
produce
a
supplementary
planning
guide
on
on
lands,
the
landscape
aspects
of
of
applications,
setting
guidelines
about
about
having
that
information
prior
to
an
application
actually
being
considered
by
committee
or
indeed,
actually
considered
under
delegated
powers.
Quite
often
it's
left
to
afterwards.
You
know
the
landscape
is
talked
about
as
a
supplementary
thing
to
the
buildings.
A
I,
don't
know
where
the
planners
actually
have
to
talk
about
Landscaping
their
in
their
training,
but
I
suspect
they
probably
know
more
about
buildings
than
they
do
about
about
landscape.
That
may
be
extraordinarily
unfair,
but
anyway,
that's
just
my
my
suspicion,
but
I
just
think
we
need
to
have
we.
We
want
to
be
moving
towards
a
Greener
Worthing,
where
landscape
is
much
more
important
part
of
the
environment
that
we
create
in
our
built
environment
that
we
create
and
I'm
sorry.
Looking
at
a
building
next
door,
I
realized.
A
We
made
an
awful
mistake
in
not
pushing
for
more
landscape
because
it
is
going
to
be
so
dominated
by
the
building,
the
the
new
building,
the
Medical
Center
building
so
yeah.
It's
just
really
to
add
that
as
a
little
I'm,
not
the
reporter
has
presented
is
very,
very
valuable.
Just
my
thoughts
on
it.
Yes,
cancer,
Cochran.
J
In
my
board,
we've
got
an
ongoing,
rather
large
estate
being
built
and
over
a
period
of
time,
it's
quite
rarely
seeing
us
they
take
that
long
to
be
built,
because
it's
that
vast
you've
seen
at
the
bottom,
where
it's
been
developed
and
those
landscape
has
been
put
in
the
trees,
have
been
put
they're
developing
on
nicely
and
easy
at
the
top
where
it's
not
been
putting.
But
in
the
middle
you
see
the
bit
where
they've
not
gone
back
and
worked
on
it.
J
So
you
get
cut
you
kind
of
get
a
timeline,
that's
quite
relative
to
what
you're
talking
about,
because
some
of
it's
been
resolved.
Some
of
it
hasn't,
some
of
it
has
to
go,
has
to
be
looked
back
at
again
and
I'm.
Sure
mrapson
would
reiterate
how
inbox
our
inboxes
fill
up
from
the
chairman
of
West
darington,
Residence
section.
J
He
it's
an
obvious
thing.
The
expectation
of
the
public
want
to
see
this.
So
if
it's
put
in
place,
then
we
have.
We
have
that
guidelines.
As
you
said
quite
rightly
said.
It
only
just
makes
sense
for
us
to
see
any
application
in
advance
and
even
if
it
isn't
put
into
stages,
we
could
expect
it
and
then
enforce
it
as
it
continues,
as
it
were
like
a
rolling
thing
and
if
there's
any
other
applications
which
are
all
on
the
worthy
plan,
I've
seen
there's
quite
a
few
sites.
J
They
intend
to
be
build
on
they're,
not
quite
as
big,
but
we
can
now
then
apply
that
to
the
ones
before
that
they
they
get
to
us,
because
there
will
be.
There
will
be
a
lot
of
applications
there
yeah
other
than
that
I
have
to
ask.
Is
the
Worthing
plan
been
approved
yet.
D
The
challenge
out
yes,
so
we've
received
the
local
plan
inspectus
report.
We
are
very
pleased
with
the
inspector
conclusions
very
pleased,
in
particular
on
chat,
small
farm.
D
That
he's
made
it
abundantly
clear
that
he
was
I
would
say
slightly
annoyed
that
a
subsequent
inspector
would
effectively
overturn
his
view
that
that
should
be
protected
as
a
local,
green
Gap
and
there's
some
very
strong
statements
in
there,
which
is
great
and
we
will
be
taking
the
inspectors
report
to
Joint
strategic
committee,
7th
of
November,
I,
think
and
then
full
Council
in
December
I
I
was
going
to
say
to
German
that
it
would
be
good
just
to
put
on
the
next
agenda,
because
I
think
it's
good
for
planning
committee
also
just
to
comment
on
it.
D
It
as
part
of
the
next
agenda,
because
it
is
very
important
so
that
that
that
has
been
received.
B
A
E
E
Thank
you.
The
report
has
come
to
us.
We've
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it,
but
I
would
like
it
to
go.
E
E
There
is
a
you
know.
There
is
a
very
wide
range
of
possibilities
now
of
Greening
buildings
worldwide
and
Holland
is
a
particular
leader
in
this
and
I.
Think
it's
something
that's
not
mentioned
as
far
as
I
know
in
any
of
our
Landscaping
discussions,
Greening
Ruth,
but
you
can
green
Walls
too,
with
everything
going
underneath
the
pavement,
it
seems
to
me
a
very
good
option.
There
is
a
kind
of
a
cement
now
which
you
can
grow
moss
on.
E
So
as
far
as
the
actual
the
process,
the
Union
Place
travel,
which
is
coming
up
again,
I
think
that
the
Landscaping
aspect
should
be
broadened,
thought
much
more
about
being
more
Innovative,
be
more
creative
rather
than
just
lollipop
trees,
for
example,
I'm
really
glad
to
to
for
your
suggestion,
which
I
thank
you
for
that.
We
see
CG.
We
see
these
are
initial
plans
without
the
trees
because
it
I
remember,
we
had
one
of
those
tours.
E
You
know
those
visual
tours
digital
tours
with
all
these
wonderful
glorious
trees,
but
it's
a
nonsense
when
I
think
about
it
in
reality.
E
So
my
my
major
comment
on
this
is
that
I
would
like
the
committee
to
have
more
input
and
more
opportunity
to
discuss
the
proposed
Landscaping
both
before
the
application
decision
is
made
and
if
aspects
have
to
be
deferred,
for
whatever
reason
that
it
comes
back
to
us.
Before
being
signed
off.
E
J
D
So
at
the
moment,
I
think
we're
getting
a
lot
of
more
information
and
part
of
changing
our
validation
requirements
is
that
we
do
need
to
have
an
understanding
of
services
and
potential
impacts
on
drainage
so
and
the
opportunities
for
the
soft
Landscaping.
So
I
certainly
agree
with
that.
I
think
one
of
the
issues
on
major
schemes
is
that
you
quite
often
will
have
a
landscape
architect
and
you
will
have
a
landscaping
scheme,
but
quite
often
you
still
need
a
landscaping
condition
and
you
may
not
get
the
planning
application
stage.
D
At
the
moment,
the
government
is
very
keen
to
reduce
the
number
of
conditions
that
are
put
on
development,
and
that
really
would
mean
that
we
would
encourage
detailed
Landscaping
schemes
effectively
come
in
as
part
of
the
application,
so
I
sort
of
support
that
where
we
can
achieve
it,
the
difficulty
is,
you
can't
refuse
the
development,
because
you
haven't
got
Landscaping
scheme
and
government
advice
is
still
that
if
there
is
something
missing
and
you
can
condition
it,
you
should
put
a
condition
on
because
that
makes
the
development
acceptable.
D
So
if
there's
something
missing
but
a
condition
would
require
it,
then
you
should
be
able
to
put
a
condition
on.
There
is
no
reason
why
there
couldn't
be
more
engagement
with
the
condition
discharge.
So
certainly,
if
they're
on
the
website,
you
know
and
you're
interested
in
particular
development.
This
is
all
members,
not
just
planning
committee.
I
D
We
haven't
I,
don't
think.
We've
got
an
ability
in
the
Constitution
to
call
in
discharge
of
condition
applications
partly
because
there's
a
time
limit,
and
we
we
again,
you
know
we.
We
can't
then
delay
discharging
conditions,
particularly
if
they're
pre-commencement,
but
that's
something
I'm
willing
to
look
at
and
we'll
perhaps
agree,
particularly
on
major
developments
where
you
know
it
might
be
that
we
trigger
a
notification
to
the
planning
committee
or
some
other
way
of
alerting
to
the
fact
that
conditioned
discharges
come
in
a
couple
of
points.
D
D
The
environment
act
has
given
some
funding
to
Adrian
Worthing
and
we're
looking
at
using
that
to
appoint
a
part-time
ecologist,
which
would
be
really
beneficial
and
ideally
I'd
like
to
have
a
qualified
Urban
designer
stroke,
landscape
officer.
I've
got
an
arbor
culturalist
who
spends
his
time,
dealing
with
TPO
trees,
but
hasn't
really
got
the
time
to
deal
with
detailed
Landscaping
schemes
he's
snowed
under
as
it
is,
so
it
is
partly
resourcing
and
how
we
deal
with
this,
but
yeah
I
mean
I.
D
Think
that's
a,
and
the
other
thing
to
mention
is
that
the
emerging
local
plan,
soon
to
be
adopted,
says
that
we
should
have
and
develop
a
green
infrastructure
strategy
for
the
town
and
I
know
that
you
know
recent
walkabouts
from
your
leader
and
other
members,
you
know
have
been
really
interested
in
the
idea
of
what
do
we
do
to
do
more
to
Green
our
town,
and
you
know
there
are
issues
about
services
and
where
you
can
plant
and
and
the
like.
So
that's
an
ongoing
discussion.
The
green
infrastructure
strategy
is
partly
doing
that.
D
Looking
at
where
we
can
do
more
opportunities
of
linking
open
space
and
green
spaces
and,
of
course,
development
sites
can
contribute
towards
that.
And
then
the
last
thing
I
was
going
to
comment
was
yes,
a
sort
of
landscape,
SPD
supplementary
planning
documents
well,
I.
Think
now
we're
now
in
a
position
where
we'll
have
our
first
joint
I've
not
joined
local
plan.
Working
group
will
be
discussing.
So
what's
the
local
development
scheme,
what
are
important
studies?
What's
the
timeline
for
doing
those?
Have
we
captured
the
right
sort
of
supplementary
planning
documents?
D
We've
got
it
for
design.
We've
got
it
from
you
know,
house
extensions.
We've
got
all
sorts
of
supplementary
guidance.
We
did
have
a
landscaping
guide,
it's
very
old
now.
It
probably
needs
updating
so
again
that,
but
that
could
be
done
relatively
easy.
There's
great
good
practice
out
there
about
landscaping
and
the
other
thing
on
major
major
applications.
Sorry
I
was
going
to
also
mention.
D
Is
that
we're
very
keen
to
use
the
Coastal
Design
panel
and
I
particularly
always
start
putting
a
request
in
for
one
of
the
Urban
Design
landscape
officers,
who
did
Splash
point
and
when
we
have
had
John
Pegg
he's
been
excellent
on
schemes
about
landscaping
and
has
really
helped
the
process
on
major
schemes?
Getting
that
expert
opinion
in
and
I
think
perhaps
chairman
how
we
use
Coastal
Design
panel
and
where
the
members
come
along
to
the
Coastal
Design
panel
and
see
a
panel
of
Architects
and
urban
designers
sort
of
chew
the
fat
on
pre-application
schemes.
A
That's
that's
good
yeah.
Just
on
the
on
the
best
practice
issue,
I
know
mid
Sussex
has
a
supplementary
planning
document
on
landscape,
which
looks
pretty
good
to
me,
could
almost
be
shipped
over
without
any
further
work.
Any
more
comments
on
this
I
mean
we're
just
asked
to
note
the
document
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
in
a
moment.
Yes,.
H
Certainly
councilor,
Selman
and
I
are
often
trying
to
remind
is
the
value
of
a
tree
over
a
number
of
years,
and
whether
there's
some
way
of
actually
implementing
that
like
for
like,
doesn't
mean
sapling
for
mature.
That's,
not
an
acceptable
transition,
and
so
maybe
10
years
old
would
be
the
reality
of
a
replacement
as
a
light
benefit
for
air
quality.
D
Yeah
I
agree:
I
think
the
only
thing
if
you
talk
to
Landscape
Architects,
they
are
the
the
it
takes
a
lot
more
to
keep
a
tree
and
a
more
pituitary
alive,
and
possibly
it
may
be
that
one
tree
would
be.
You
know
heavy
standard
plus
10
whips.
Might
you
know,
and
it's
just
how
it's
the
quantity
of
planting
and
the
type
and
species
so
I
I,
agree,
I,
think
you
know
more
mature
planting
is
great.
D
My
only
worry
quite
often
is
on
construction
sites
and
then
the
post-development
maintenance
and,
looking
after
the
trees,
whether
it's
a
sapling
or
a
heavy
standard,
as
we've
found
in
West
Darrington,
is
a
real
issue
and
I.
Think
again,
the
resourcing
to
enforce
these
is,
you
know,
is
a
real
issue,
I
think
for
count.
Many
councils,
yeah.
J
J
D
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I
mean
we
have
not
had
through
covid
and
all
sorts
of
reasons
we
haven't
done
our
annual
Design
Awards
and,
of
course,
within
that
there
was
a
category
for
landscaping
and
you
do
get
a
a
plaque
and
one
of
the
categories
would
be
Landscaping.
We've
got
sustainability,
excellence
in
building
design
and
and
the
like,
and-
and
it's
just
again
resourcing
to
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that's
where
you
get
publicity,
that's
where
you
get
community
engagement
and
I.
D
Remember
the
amount
of
comment
I
got
from
The
Herald
Center
spread
when
we
did
Design
Awards,
probably
10
years
ago,
and
all
the
great
and
people
voted
on
the
best.
You
know:
that's
where
you
can
really
get
engagement.
You
know
what
do
the?
What
does
the
town
really
think
about
Bayside
and
things
like
that?
You
know
that's
where
you
can
get
well.
I
A
E
But
since
you
brought
mentioning
the
community,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
when
there
are
large
larger
developments,
it
seems
to
me
very
fitting,
with
the
current
administration's
values,
our
values,
to
involve
Community
from
the
beginning,
and
it
might
well
be
that
you
would
get
after
the
initial
occupation.
You
would
get
residents
to
make
water
and
take
part
in
The,
Establishment
and
maintenance
of
these
green
areas,
rather
than
leave
it
to
developers,
who've
taken
their
money
and
disappeared
somewhere.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
interesting
discussion.
I'm
sorry,
I
started
off
perhaps
a
little
bit
of
a
hair,
but
I
think
it's
been
a
worthwhile
discussion
and
I
love
the
idea
of
awards.
We
must
do
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
I'm,
assuming
you've,
noted
the
reports.
If
you
just
indicate
that
you
have
yes
and
thank
you
very
much,
thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
Thank
you
officers
and.