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A
B
Thank
you
chair.
This
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
and
is
available
to
you
on
the
council's
website.
Please
be
aware
that
microphones
in
the
chamber
may
record
conversations
that
are
going
on
around
and
in
the
public
gallery.
B
B
A
Brilliant,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
apologies?
I've
got
apologies
from
councillor
rosie,
warlow,
councillor,
kathy
glynn
davis,
councillor
richard.
A
Other
apologies
is
that
that's
it
as
far
as
we
know.
Thank
you
so,
under
the
agenda
item,
one
declarations
of
interest
members
and
officers
must
declare
any
disposable
pecuniary
interests
in
relation
to
any
business
on.
The
agenda
declaration
should
also
be
made
at
any
stage.
Such
an
interest
becomes
apparent
during
the
meeting.
Do
you
have
any
declarations
of
interest?
Please
counselor
cochran.
D
Yes,
chair:
I'm
the
chair
of
new
cameras
for
poker
players,
which
is
a
poker
club.
A
C
A
No
thank
you
item
number
two:
confirmation
of
minutes
I'd
like
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
licensing
and
control
committee,
a
meeting
held
on
the
14th
of
jan
or
february
2022,
copies
of
which
have
been
previously
circulated.
A
E
Thank
you
chair
good
evening
councillors.
My
name
is
ed
here,
I'm
the
public
health
and
regulation
manager,
the
licensing
functions
fall
outside
the
joint
committee
agreement
and
the
partnership
working
between
edge
district
council
and
worthing
borough
council.
E
E
You
will
see
from
the
diagram
at
3.4
the
current
arrangements
and
I'll
just
go
through
what
the
proposals
are.
It
is
proposed
that
the
current
arrangements
have
changed
to
a
more
cost,
effective
and
streamlined
model.
The
current
model
used
in
worthing
results
in
individual
applications
being
heard
by
a
full
committee.
E
It
is
proposed
that
their
licensing
control
committee,
a
and
b
both
made
up
of
15
members
and
would
have
the
power
to
set
up
a
subcommittee
of
three
members
each
for
the
purpose
of
a
hearing
and
individual
application
and
reviews
from
gambling
premises.
Hackney
carriage
private
hire
license
holders
committee
a
would
deal
with
taxi
regulation
matters
and
all
non
other
2003
2000
2005
act,
licensing
matters
and
b
would
deal
with
all
licensing
matters
under
the
2003-2005
acts.
E
The
full
membership
of
each
committee
would
be
three
members
and
it
would
necessitate
having
a
substitute
being
on
standby,
but
from
my
experience
of
working
in
other
authorities
that
does
work
very
effectively,
it
is
proposed
that
the
monitoring
officer
would
be
delegated
to
draft
revised
licensing
procedurals.
If
you
were
to
adopt
these
new
proposals,
the
procedure
rules
would
retain
the
discretion
of
the
chair
to
amend
the
rules
for
a
particular
case,
where
it's
appropriate
to
do
so.
Based
upon
the
merits
of
that
particular
application,.
E
F
F
Do
you
think
that
that
should
be
brought
up,
maybe
at
the
constitution
review
so
that
in
actual
fact,
no
one
counsellor
has
more
than
one
special
responsibility.
E
Thank
you
councillor.
It
is
known
that
licensing
functions
are
not
an
executive
decision-making.
It
is
for
the
licensing
committee
as
a
whole
to
make
that
decision.
So
it
should
be
non-political.
E
If
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
looked
at
as
part
of
the
constitution
arrangements.
I
don't
think
we're
saying
no.
You
can't
have
any
executive
members
on
the
committee,
but
there
does
need
to
be
some
careful
consideration
given
as
to
whether
that
would
be
a
chair
or
vice
chair
position,
because
that
would
possibly
go
against
the
the
government's
intention
of
how
these
committees
should
be
working.
E
So
I
would
advise
that
that
didn't
take
place
and
the
the
council
will
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
they
would
allow
an
executive
on
to
the
committee.
It
wouldn't
be
prevented
by
these
proposals.
It'd
be
possible,
but
they'd
have
to
be
very,
very
certain
that
they
knew,
which
hat
they
were
wearing
they'd
have
to
make
sure
they
were
wearing
the
committee
member
hat
and
not
an
executive
function.
Hat.
F
Thank
you
for
that
answer.
Can
you
also
clarify
in
the
report?
F
You
have
one
model
where
you've
got
the
two
committees,
a
and
b
both
have
15
members
on,
so
that's
30
councillors
maximum,
obviously,
and
your
second
model
is
only
having
one
of
those
committees
now,
if
you
were
to
go
down
that
streamlining
route,
would
you
be
able
to
have
substitutes
for
that
one
committee,
so
that
actually
bearing
in
mind
what
you've
said
about
subgroups
and
people
not
being
able
to
attend,
doesn't
it
is
it
not
sensible
to
have
a
bigger
rain,
a
bigger
pool
of
councillors
who
are
trained?
B
Sorry,
jerry,
I
may
answer
that
question
the
the
15
members
of
the
licensing
control
committee
I
and
b
has
currently
are
the
same
memberships.
So
it's
15
members
and
it's
kind
of
one
committee
but
they're
split
to
manage
the
two
different
aspects
of
the
licensing
committee's
work,
so
the
taxi
stuff
and
the
and
forgive
my
abbreviations,
the
taxi
stuff
and
the
licensing
act
stuff.
E
If
I
could
just
head
on,
I've
worked
at
four
or
five
different
authorities
in
sussex,
and
it
is
usual
for
most
of
those
authorities
to
have
a
single
committee
of
15
members
or
appropriate
for
the
size
of
their
particular
organization
and
what
they
do
is
they
would
just
sit
differently
to
hear
different
bits
of
policy.
If
it
was
effectively
a
licensing
act,
2003
piece
of
work,
they
would
listen
and
sit
to
that
and
then
they
would
sit
on
another
occasion
to
hear
taxi
licensing
policy,
for
example.
So
it'd
still
be
the
same.
G
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
mr
hill.
Could
you
just
help
me
please.
Clearly,
this
report
was
written
a
number
of
weeks
ago.
It
hasn't
been
updated
since
the
election,
what
happens
back
to
section
3.6?
It's
not
in
the
papers.
G
H
E
G
E
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
report.
I
welcome
it.
I
do
agree
with
you
too
personally
that
we
should
go
down
to
a
single
committee
that
sits
one
day's
committee
a
and
another
day
in
the
function
of
committee
b.
You
know
just
taking
your
own
your
own
words
that
you've
repeated
from
your
report
this
evening.
It's
best
practice.
G
It's
effectiveness
is
cost
effective.
It
streamlines
it
reduces
the
impact
on
the
trade,
who
obviously
is
their
key
time
invariably
of
an
evening,
and
it
reduces
the
impact
on
officers
and
that's
where
I
then
get
really
puzzled,
because
it
takes
no
account
of
the
impact
on
counsellors,
and
I
take
you
to
your
own
paragraph
at
3.8
and
I'll
read
it
to
you.
It
says
in
the
last
lines,
this
arrangement
would
necessitate
a
substitute
being
on
standby
for
every
meeting
or
risks
meetings
having
to
be
aborted
on
the
night.
G
G
You
are
recommending
we
have
three
as
a
quorum
for
the
second
committee,
but
potentially
two
sitting
at
home
on
standby
to
come
in.
If
somebody
can't
make
it
because
the
train's
late
or
they're
late
at
work,
would
it
not
be
more
cost
effective
and
take
into
account
counsellors
needs,
as
well
as
the
trading
offices
to
have
that
subcommittee
sit
as
a
membership
of
five
and
a
quorum
of
three,
which
means
you
won't
get
aborted
meetings.
E
D
With
a
committee
structure,
being
five
members
and
15
members
of
of
the
committee
currently
taking
sitting,
wouldn't
there
be
a
a
pool
of
councillors
that
would
be
quite
adequately
filling
in
the
gaps
if
someone
was
not
to
make
it.
E
Thank
you
councillor,
I
think,
having
a
membership
of
15
members
is,
is
good
for
worthing,
and
it's
just
you
know.
Whatever
happens
whether
the
meetings
are
held,
as
you
know,
with
licensing
the
meetings
have,
some
of
them
have
to
be
held
within
a
certain
time
frame.
If
these
happen
to
be
in
the
middle
of
august,
peak
holiday
season,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
and
some
members
couldn't
attend,
we
wouldn't
want
the
whole
committee
to
be
having
to
wait,
but
the
minimum
for
the
committee
to
go
ahead
would
be
five.
That's
what
the
proposal
is.
D
So
there's
a
follow-on
from
that
sort
of
chair,
so
you'd
end
up
with
10
as
a
pool
and
maybe
not
up
to
speed
on
the
subject.
If
it
was
a
subject
from
another.
Another
meeting
brought
forward.
E
I
Thank
you
chair,
so
let
me
just
I
just
need
to
clarify.
So
if
you're,
the
full
committee,
there
can
be
there's
15
members
and
only
five
need
to
be
present
for
it
to
be
in
quorum,
but
the
subcommittee
all
three
have
to
be
there
or
it's
abandoned
and
that's
a
matter
of
legislation.
So
you
have
this
one
council
or
two
councils
on
standby.
Is
it
one
that
we're
proposing
or
two
for
the
standby.
I
Even
that
person's
circumstances
can
change
it
very
short
notice
can't,
and
I
think
the
problem
with
this
is
if
you're
moving
it
to
daytime
and
evening.
We've
all
got
we're
all
one
broken
down
car
one
broken
down,
train
one
sick
child,
one
sick
person
away
from
it
and
we
could
abandon
the
whole
meeting.
So,
if
we're
streamlining
to
save
money,
we
could
end
up
defaulting
a
lot
of
meetings
through
no
fault
of
any
members
own.
If
we
haven't
got
more
than
one
or
two
people
as
a
backup,
I'm
just
not
sure
how
that
works.
I
When
10
people
can
miss
a
full
committee
and
the
meeting
goes
ahead,
but
nobody
can
meet
a
subcommittee
can
miss
the
subcommittee
and
it
has
to
be
abandoned,
and
I
just
don't
know
how
you
would
work
out
who's
who,
how
that
I,
just
I
don't
know
how
that
works
out
in
terms
of
abandoned
meetings.
I
just
think
that
you're
going
to
possibly
face
quite
a
few
of
them,
it's
especially
in
the
daytime
where
people's
commitments
might
be.
I
can
be
here
for
two
hours,
but
I
can't
be
there
for
five.
A
You
I
think,
I
think
that
democratic
services
can.
I
A
B
Thanks
chair,
of
course,
members
rightly
correct.
That
is
a
risk,
but
the
worthing
borough
council
has
been
using
subcommittees
for
some
of
its
meetings
for
since
2003.
Since
that's
come
into
place.
I
haven't
personally
encountered
an
occasion
where
we've
had
to
cancel
a
meeting
or
abandon
a
meeting.
B
But
as
I
say
in
my
experience,
we
haven't
had
to
abandon
a
meeting
like
that
in
the
past.
But
obviously
I'm
not
a
fortune.
Teller.
G
E
G
Trying
to
build
on
basis
what
myself
and
council
smith
has
said
earlier
is
clearly.
There
is
the
risk-
and
I
hear
what
mr
kevin
stone
has
said
around
none
being
cancelled,
but
it
does
seem
an
unreasonable
thing
to
be
expected
from
your
report
and
I
think
it's
that
language
that's
caused
it,
that
a
member
is
on
standby.
G
Is
there
any
reason
why
we
couldn't
operate
as
one
committee,
but
that
in
our
rules
of
operation
within
the
governance
that
we
are
recommending,
as
councillors
to
governance,
that
it
says
that
when
we
are
then
dealing
with
the
relevant
matters
under
the
2003-2000
licensing,
act
that
actually
for
that
committee
we
would
only
call
forward.
I
don't
know
seven
out
of
seven
members
to
sit
on
it
to
get
to
the
five
and
for
the
bigger
committee
15
to
get
to
the
15.
Is
that
flexibility
within
the
legislation.
G
K
G
G
Alternatively,
can
we
have
a
full
committee
that,
on
the
days
of
doing,
reviews
of
licensed
premises
sits
as
a
whole
committee,
but
when
being
asked
to
deal
with
deal
with
the
bread
and
butter
stuff,
we
only
then
we
say
to
democratic
services
that
we
invite
a
smaller
number
of
people
forward,
albeit
needing
to
meet
the
quorum
of
five.
By
doing
that,
you
don't
risk
the
risk
of
a
meeting
being
aborted.
K
The
problem
is
with
us
having
a
full
committee
at
the
moment.
We
are
open
to
legal
challenge
because
when
you've
got
15
members
sitting
in
that
here
in
that
hearing,
it
could
be
argued
that
it's
not
national
justice,
because
which
is
why
it's
proposed
to
have
obviously
a
smaller
number
so
to
use
a
subcommittee.
But
for
the
reviews
I
believe
that
has
been
covered
in
the
report,
that
there
is
a
that
was
covered.
Wasn't
it
that.
G
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that,
when
there's
a
review,
we
have
15
members,
we
invite
the
15
members
the
quorum
for
that
meeting
is
five,
but
when
dealing
with
the
other
matters
that
at
the
moment
is
being
proposed
to
go
to
committee,
this
licensing
committee
in
its
operating
practices,
says
to
democratic
services.
We
would
only
ask
you
to
invite
seven
members
forward
to
create
that
core
on
the
fight
it.
K
B
Sorry
yeah
thank
you
chair.
If
you
look
on
the
back
of
page
16,
it
says
in
the
top
in
brackets,
with
a
star
next
to
it,
most
cases
will
be
considered
by
a
subcommittee,
but
the
director
of
communities
may
refer
termination
to
the
case
to
the
licensing
control
committee,
a
or
b,
as
in
the
case
of
paige.
B
I
think
what
we're
saying
is
you
could
you
could
introduce
a
clause
whereby
the
director
of
communities-
and
it's
done
as
done
in
other
authorities
like
guildford,
where
the
subcommittees
deal
with
most
things,
but
the
director
of
communities
or
their
equivalent
director
could
refer
a
matter
to
the
full
committee
and
they
would
need
to
look
in
to
whether
that
was
in
the
public
interest.
To
do
so.
J
You
it's
kind
of
along
the
same
lines
has
already
been
discussed.
Why
the
subcommittees?
Can
we
not
invite
five
people
and
then
select
three
of
the
five
on
the
evening,
because
if
we
have
two
on
standby
sitting
at
home,
somewhere,
you've
still
got
to
allow
the
time
from
to
get
in.
They
might
then
get
caught
in
traffic
or
delayed
by
trains
or
whatever.
So
if
we
select
five
for
the
or
invite
five
to
the
meeting
and
then
select
three
from
the
five
for
the
meeting,
you'd
still
have
your
core.
J
K
J
F
Councillor
thought,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
I
suggest
that
we
cast
our
minds
back
to
when
we
had
the
covid
problem
and
we
had
only
a
small
amount
of
councillors
coming
in
here
and
actually
we
found
that
we
had
too
many
councillors
coming
in
and
what
happened
was
that
the
party
concerned
disgust
amongst
themselves
and
those
extra
people
just
said
right:
okay,
thanks
I'll
go
home
simple
as
that.
J
A
G
Yes,
can
I
just
clarify
the
subcommittee,
and
I
heard
what
mr
hill
was
saying-
is
that
because
we've
used
both
guidance
and
statute,
is
that
statute
or
statutory
guidance
and
there's
a
significant
difference
between
the
two.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Have
you
got
any
idea
how
much
money
this
would
save
3.5
just
that
of
interest.
E
E
A
Thank
you.
So
the
recommendation
is
that
the
worthing
borough,
council,
licensing
and
control
committees
a
and
b
consider
the
proposals
in
this
report
and
make
recommendations
to
the
joint
government's
committee
for
their
decision.
So
are
we
ready
to
move
towards
making
proposed
changes?
J
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
council
harm
has
just
made
a
proposed
amendment,
but
but
would
it
not
be
best
to
debate
these
initial
proposals?
First.
A
M
Thank
you
chair.
So,
if
we're
debating
the
initial
proposal
now
I've
looked
at
the
initial
proposal.
I've.
M
Okay,
fine,
a
lot
of
the
suggestions
about
the
numbers
and
everything
I've
heard
tonight,
dancing
on
the
head
of
a
pin.
A
lot
of
them
seem
to
be
suggesting
that
we
have
more
people
brought
in
in
order
to
save
time
of
less
people,
which
has
seemed
quite
odd,
and
I
think
I've
been
following
a
lot
of
the
arguments.
M
So
given
that
I'm
speaking
first
and
I
thought
I
was
speaking
to
the
initial
proposal-
I
will
now
sit
back
and
listen
to
what
other
people
have
got
to
say.
But
a
lot
of
the
stuff
I've
heard
tonight
has
been
conflicting
and
I
think
what
has
been
brought
to
the
room
is
infinitely
sensible
and
seems
very
good
practice
to
me.
A
N
I
I
would
say
I
agree
with
what
councilwhite
has
to
say
whether
it's
one
person
on
standby
or
two
people
on
standby,
I
think
in
in
in
these
instances
I
think
it's
always
best
to
look
at
best
practice.
The
best
practice
is
to
have
one
person
on
standby,
as
is
indicated
in
the
report,
then
I
think
we
would
be
best
not
going
against
that.
A
Thank
you
then,
we'll
take
a
vote
on
councillor
harmon's
proposal.
Please
would
you
like
to,
could
you
repeat
it
for
us,
please
counselor
harman,
just
for
the
sake
of
clarity.
J
Before
we
go
to
the
vote,
okay,
my
proposal
is
that
for
sub
committees
we
invite
five
people
to
the
chamber
and
then
once
they're
here
we
select
three
of
them
to
actually
sit
on
the
committee,
so
we
can
stand
the
other
two
down
that
way.
We
alleviate
the
problem
of
a
meeting
being
abandoned
because
we
can't
make
call
it.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
building
on
what
council
white
white
has
said,
looking
at
the
recommendations
which
they
are
within
the
officer's
report,
clearly
best
practice
should
be
adhered
to,
irrespective
of
what
other
councils
choose
to
do,
and
by
that
I
mean
our
ada
colleagues,
we're
not
tied
at
the
hip.
G
G
G
G
It's
a
tied
situation,
it's
disappointing
because
clearly
it
does
fail
to
take
into
account
the
risk
of
meeting
being
aborted
and
it
does
take
into
account
it
doesn't
take
into
account
you.
The
needs
of
the
council
is
in
that
we're,
taking
into
account
the
need
of
the
trade
we're
taking
into
the
need
of
the
offices
for
efficiency.
G
In
that
respect.
Personally,
I
think,
on
that
basis
we
either
continue
just
with
three
members
being
invited,
or
we
have
it
put
into
the
diary
for
four
and
somebody
agrees
to
be
standing
by,
but
I
don't
think
we
actually
have
a
lot
of
choice,
so
I
would
be
proposing
that
personally,
I
think
we
go
to
3.5
as
a
single
structure
and
that
we
continue
with
the
subcommittees
of
three
and
if
it
falls
apart,
it
falls
apart.
A
D
It's
pretty
simple
simplification
of
any
task
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
anyone
to
understand
whether
from
the
public
or
from
from
the
from
the
governance
aspect
of
it,
under
obviously
support
3.5.
M
Thank
you
chair
at
various
points.
This
evening,
we've
discussed
selection
nobody's
defined
selection,
nobody's
defined.
How
selection
is
done
if
there's
one
person
on
standby
for
a
subcommittee.
C
M
B
Currently,
there's
no
process
for
that,
but
in
relation
to
councillor
jenkins's
proposal,
members
selected,
the
chair
or
vice
chair
are
invited
to
chair
the
meeting
and
two
other
members
are
selected
alphabetically
and
then
it
goes
on
availability
for
each
meeting.
But
there
is
currently
no
process
for
a
fourth
or
fifth
person.
M
J
Okay,
when
selecting
this
subcommittee,
would
it
not
be
better
to
do
it
by
rotation
rather
than
alphabetical,
because
after
all,
it's
supposed
to
be
an
apolitical
meeting
so
that
shouldn't
come
into
it.
B
Jerry
it,
it
is
rotation,
so
the
so
it's
alphabetical,
but
it
doesn't
go
back
to
way
each
time.
So
once
somebody
sat
it,
it
moves
down
the
list.
N
Can
I
just
clarify
the
proposal?
Is
it
that
we?
I
think
I
think
you
you
have
just
just
for
clarity,
that
we
we,
we
invited
three
members
of
this
committee,
and
but
we
do
and
we
don't
invite
her
forth
as
a
right.
Okay,
thank
you
and
my
view
is
that
I
think
it's.
It
would
be
a
good
idea
to
have
a
fourth
person
on
standby
and
I
think
they
should.
N
Yeah
I'd
like
to
propose,
as
an
amendment
to
to
the
proposal
that
we
invite
one
extra
person
to
be
on
standby.
M
Thank
you
chair.
Can
we
include
mr
hill
in
this
debate?
Could
I
potentially
ask
him
the
question
of
how
far
have
we
now
strayed
from
his
initial
proposal
and
his
recommendations.
E
You
chair,
if
you
wish
not
to
have
someone
on
standby,
then
then
that
is
your
wish,
but
the
risk
would
increase
of
someone
not
being
able
to
attend
on
the
day,
but
my
recommendation
would
be
that
there
would
be
at
least
someone
a
single
person
on
standby
in
case
of
a
you
know,
unforeseen
eventuality.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
we're
getting
a
bit
lost
in
the
weeds
here.
I
think
we
need
to
agree
to
the
proposals
brought
to
us.
We
already
have
subcommittees.
We
already
already
have
three
members.
As
chris
has
said,
he
doesn't
recall
the
time
where
he's
had
to
cancel.
I
think
we
just
we.
We
agreed
to
the
amendment,
not
the
amendment
we
agreed
to
the
proposal
we
let
this
come
in.
H
A
F
B
D
I
think
councillor
jenkins
initial
point
was
that
the
political
balance
may
be
affected
if
we
only
had
one
standby
and
you'd
end
up
with
two,
maybe
three
or
the
entire
committee
of
the
the
subcommittee
ending
up
being
from
one
party,
and
that
was
his
ongoing
concern
over
the
matter.
So
if
we
had
to
maybe
had
to
build
on
what
councilors
did
really
had
said
have
two
standby,
as
we
said,
then
that
one
from
either
party
and
then
that
would
fill
the
gaps
of
someone
that
wants
to
drop
off.
A
C
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
thought
that
licensing
was
not
political,
so
actually
political
balance
in
the
subs
doesn't
really
matter.
Does
it
or
is
that?
Am
I
deluding
myself.
B
So
through
so
through,
you
chair,
there's
no
requirement
for
political
balance
on
2003
act
subcommittees.
There
is
on
taxi
committees,
although
we
do
seek
to
define
political
balance
for
for
all
of
those
committees.
L
B
Chair,
it
would
have
been
two
two
one.
If
there
was
a
member
of
the
opposition
on
the
committee,
it
would
have
been
two
one.
So
two
administration,
one
opposition-
if
there
was
an
opposition
member
on
the
committee
which
there
which
they
would
have
been,
but
I
believe
that
I
don't
believe,
there's
ever
been
a
situation
where
there's
only
been
one
opposition
murder
on
the
council.
They've
been
opposition
members
of
different
parties,
so
there
would
have
been
liberal
democrats,
independence
and
one
late
remember
in
the
past.
A
All
right
can
we
move
to
a
vote
now,
please,
on
the
proposal
by
councillor
jenkins.
Could
everybody
who's
in
favor?
Please
raise
their
hands.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Can
we
now
take
ourselves
to
paragraph
three
point,
one
six,
sorry
dot!
One,
six,
three
point
one:
two:
if
we
are
making
recommendations
to
the
governance
committee,
our
officers
are
asking
us
whether
there
is
flexibility
to
be
granted
by
this
committee
to
hold
meetings
during
the
day.
I
think,
if
we're
to
follow
best
practice,
efficiency
and
deal
with
taxpayers
money
appropriately.
G
A
You
is
there
a
second
of
that,
please
counselor
theater
rudy.
Would
anybody
like
to
comment
on
that?
Please.
H
Thank
you
chair.
My
only
issues
with
having
meetings
during
the
day
is
I
work
full-time,
and
that
makes
it
pretty
much
impossible
for
me
to
attend
daytime
meetings.
Thank
you,
but
I
mean
assuming
these
are
sub
sub
committees,
there's
only
three
members,
so
that's
not
necessarily
the
end.
You
know
a
deal
breaker,
but
I
personally
would
never
be
able
to
attend
a
daytime
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
Just
like
to
make
a
comment
from
the
chair
as
well
that
I'm
I'm
I
haven't
retired,
I'm
still
working
and
I
don't
have
much
flexibility
in
my
in
my
work.
My
surgeries
are
booked
yeah.
Perhaps
chris
is
going
to
answer
that
question.
B
Chair,
it's
it's
just
an
additional
flexibility
for
us
when
our
calendars
are
particularly
heavy
and
we
need
to
get
a
date
in
within
statutory
deadlines.
We
may
need
to
move
the
allocation
of
one
to
a
daytime
or
if,
for
instance,
there
was
something
in
the
nighttime
trade
where
someone
was
particularly
busy
and
couldn't
make
it.
It
just
gives
us
more
options
to
be
able
to
get
the
business
done
and
within
a
within
a
time
frame,
but
we
would
look
primarily
told
them
in
the
evenings.
I
Would
there
be
a
proposed
time
of
when
they
would
start
just
I'm
just
if
we're
talking
about
personal
circumstances,
I'm
a
carer,
and
I
can't
get
a
carer
in
between
3
and
4
30
for
any
council
or
anything.
So
I
would
never
be
able
to
sit
and
I'd
feel
bad
constantly.
Sending
apologies.
So
I'd
like
to
know
if
there
would
be
morning
or
afternoon.
B
Chair
through
you,
the
majority
of
the
meetings
will
start
6
30
in
the
evening,
but
look
in
the
day
time.
It
would
either
be
a
10
o'clock,
start
I'd,
imagine
or
or
a
2
pm
start
depending
on
availability,
but
obviously
there
are
15
members
too.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
I
hear
my
colleagues
points
and
we've
discussed
this
when
we're
in
full
council
back
in
april
time.
I
believe
it
was.
I
understand
that
people
work
full-time,
but
equally
evenings
aren't
always
suitable
to
other
members
in
this
chain
because
of
their
own
caring
arrangements
at
home
themselves,
and
I
think,
if
we
just
remind
ourselves
on
page
nine,
the
schedule
of
other
matters.
G
I
think
if
we
are
to
be
progressive
and
support
our
licensing
change
trade,
it's
not
just
equality
in
the
characteristics
that
we
would
recognize,
but
is
equality
of
opportunity
for
them
to
come
before
us
as
a
committee
to
put
their
representations
and
be
heard
where
others,
if
they
have
pressure
of
trade,
may
not
choose
to
come
and
let
that
go.
So
I
think
there
is
that
balance
to
be
had,
and
I
do
I
do
hear
my
colleagues
concerns.
A
Yeah,
I
think
my
point
was
just
be
sort
of
that
the
chair
may
need
to
be
rotated
sometimes,
so
we
would
possibly
because
both
myself
and
councillor
warlow
work-
and
I
don't
have
any
flexibility
in
when
my
my
times
are
booked
in.
So
it
may
be
that
we
may
call
on
other
members
to
share
from
time
to
time,
can't
cancel
barrett
and
then
go
to
chancellor
smith.
L
I
I
was
just
going
to
ask:
is
it
worth
the
democratic
services
or
yourself
just
to
collect
her
preferences,
because,
for
example,
for
me,
10
o'clock
would
be
easy
pretty
much
any
day,
whereas
two
o'clock
meetings,
I
would
be
having
to
leave.
So
if
you
could
get
that
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
say
you
know.
6
30
is
always
really
good
for
me,
whereas
you
know
it
would
be
just
handy
for
you
to
know
what
we
are
capable
of.
F
D
Yes,
you
could
point
a
daytime
chair
on
a
daytime
vice
chair
to
a
subcommittee
in
advance,
and
that
would
be
the
appointed
person
that
can
maybe
have
the
time.
So
then
it
could
all
fall
in
place
after
that.
A
A
E
I
was
just
going
to
ask
the
question
chair
whether
with
those
two
proposals
which
have
been
passed
already,
our
members
all
satisfied
with
the
remainder
of
the
proposal
of
the
report.
I
just
think
for
a
completely
swedish
need
to
have
that
answer.
A
Yeah
I've
been
asked
if
you
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
please,
mr
hill.
E
A
Thank
you.
Could
I
have
a
proposal
for
those
recommendations,
please
counselor
white.
Could
I
have
a
second
to
please
counselor
theater
ready.
Okay,
could
I
see,
could
you
vote
please
if
you
are
for
the
recommendations
mentioned
by
mr
hill.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
contributions
and
your
attention
and
focus
to
the
report.
The
meeting
is
now
closed.
Thank
you.