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A
A
A
A
If
a
committee
member
wishes
to
speak,
you
should
do
so
by
activating
the
raised
hand
function
in
zoom,
which
has
been
previously
explained
to
you,
please
be
patient.
I
know
you
have
indicated
that
you
wish
to
speak
and
we'll
get
round
to
all
members.
The
chair
has
absolute
discretion
as
to
the
order
in
which
participants
are
asked
to
speak.
A
When
the
chair
indicates
that
you
can
speak,
you
can
unmute
your
microphone
once
you
finish
speaking,
you
will
need
to
mute
yourself
again.
Please
also
remember
to
lower
your
hand
once
you've
spoken
committee
members
are
asked
not
to
use
the
chat
facility
during
the
course
of
the
meeting.
The
chat
facility
is
only
to
be
used
by
the
chair
and
the
officers.
A
A
The
decision
will
be
made
by
the
chair
and
members,
and
all
parties
will
be
made
of
the
decision
within
five
days.
Decisions
will
not
be
announced
this
evening,
so
just
to
introduce
members
of
the
committee
this
evening
for
worthing
council
we
have
councillor
roy
beracloff,
councillor
dawn
smith
and
I'm
in
the
chair
councillor
sally
smith,
I'll
now
hand
over
to
mr
cadman
dandra,
please
to
introduce
the
offices
for
this
evening.
C
A
A
D
So
in
the
there
are
representations
in
the
papers
for
the
factory
where
I
need
to
declare
an
interest.
I
am
a
regular
attender
of
south
broad
water
residents
association
meetings,
I'm
invited
along
with
I'm
a
broadwater
councillor,
so
I'm
invited
along
with
all
the
ghost
councillors
too.
I
have
not
discussed
this
application
with
the
committee
members.
Pam
bennett
is
also
a
representation,
and
I
need
to
clear
that
I
know
her
through
the
committee
and
again,
I've
not
discussed
this
application
at
all
with
her
and
actually
just
for
clarity.
D
Licensing
is
a
standing
item
on
their
agenda
and
I
generally
leave
the
meetings
way
before
that
comes
on
that
julie.
Therefore,
the
first
part
for
highways
because
of
my
caring
commitments
they
bring
that
up
later.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
smith,
substitute
members.
Do
we
have
any
substitute
members
this
evening.
C
Okay,
chair
just
a
change
from
the
agenda
and
councillor
barrow
club
is
substituting
for
councillor
harman,
who
had
a
personal
matter
to
attend
to
this
evening.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
been
noted
public
question
time.
We
don't
have
any
public
questions.
I've
received
no
questions
from
the
public
so
onto
our
main
item
on
our
agenda
this
evening,
licensing
act,
2003,
top's,
pizza,
application
for
a
new
premises
license.
I
will
now
hand
over
to
simon
jones
to
outline
the
application.
E
Thank
you
chair
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
is
an
application
made
on
behalf
of
top
pizzas
limited
for
a
new
premises
license
it's
a
new
takeaway
known,
as
top
pizza
tops
pizza
situated
at
14,
south
farm
road
worthing
for
clarification,
the
application
is
seeking
authorization
for
the
sale
of
late
night
refreshment
by
collection
from
the
shop
and
delivery,
and
there
is
no
application
for
the
sale
or
supply
of
alcohol.
E
I've
given
a
brief
description
of
the
southern
end
of
south
farm
road
and
the
immediate
surrounding
area
and
I've
attached
an
appendix
a
of
the
report,
a
plan
of
that
area
and
photographs
of
of
the
premise
and
around
the
premise,
although
not
strictly
strictly
relevant,
to
members
consideration.
I
can
summarize
the
other
businesses
situated
in
the
vicinity
operating
in
the
evening
economy,
and
we
have
a
tesco
express
directly
opposite
tops
pizza,
which
is
licensed
until
11
o'clock
at
night.
E
For
the
sale
of
alcohol
for
consumption
off
the
premises,
and
then
we
have
towing
road
at
the
bottom
of
southam
road,
and
this
is
one
of
the
main
areas
for
late
night
takeaways
in
the
town,
and
you
have
late.
You
have
five
late
night
takeaways
within
150
meters
of
premises.
E
We
have
uncle
jim's
the
nearest
late
night
takeaway,
which
is
open
until
three
o'clock
of
the
following
morning.
Four
nights
a
week
and
you've
also
got
a
a
chicken
shop
next
to
that
or
an
expert
one
to
that
which
is
open
until
three
o'clock
on
a
friday
and
saturday
and
midnight
during
the
week,
and
you
also
have
worthing
kebab,
which
is
slightly
further
along
towing
road,
but
still
within
50
meters
uncle
jim's,
and
this
is
a
license
till
300
hours
on
a
friday
and
saturday
and
0-200
hours.
E
E
E
The
application
is
attached
to
appendix
see
how
we,
however,
in
summary,
the
application
is
seeking
authorization
for
the
sale
of
late
night
refreshment
between
2
300
hours
and
0
300
hours
of
the
following
morning,
monday
to
sunday,
inclusive,
seven
days
a
week
and
the
the
application
states
that
it
will
be
opening
to
the
public
from
midday
to
0
300
hours
of
the
following
morning,
monday
to
saturday
a
monday
to
sunday,
inclusive
again,
seven
days
a
week.
E
Section
of
five
of
the
report
briefly
refer
reaffirms
our
role
here
today
and
what
members
need
to
have
regard
to
when
making
their
decision.
It
highlights
the
licensing
objectives
and
sections
of
the
licensing
policy.
The
council's
licensing
policy
that
may
be
considered
particularly
relevant,
though
I
should
point
out
as
always
that
the
policy
as
a
whole
must
be
considered.
F
Sorry,
simon
on
my
screen,
a
lot
of
people
dropped
out,
but
I
don't
know
just
me
or
whether
it's
I
don't
know
whether
a
problem
with
my
end
or
your
end,
and
I
lost
you
for
about
30
seconds
as
well.
E
Oh,
why.
E
Yes,
it's
on
my
screen,
showing
everybody
is
there
anything
I
need
to
go
over
again.
Counselor.
F
E
Right
so
sorry,
consultation
as
already
indicated,
the
standard
consultation
process
attracted
no
representations
from
from
the
public,
but
it
did
attract
two
from
responsible
authorities,
those
being
sussex
police
and
the
adrian
worthing
environmental
protection
team.
E
E
E
Worthing
borough,
council
statement
of
licensing
policy,
the
guidance
issued
by
the
home
secretary
and
the
relevant
representations
from
the
parties
and
any
mediated
agreements
reached
and
listed
at
9.3
are
the
options
that
are
open
to
the
committee.
When
making
their
decision
and
section
9
also
goes
on
to
emphasize
members
obligation
to
give
reasons
for
their
decision.
E
If
you
have
any
questions
or
need
clarification
on
any
aspect
of
this
report,
I
will
happily
deal
with
those
in
a
moment,
but
first
I
introduce
the
applicant.
We
have
mr
mohammed
abdullah,
representing
top's
pizza
limited.
Mr
abdullah
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
make
a
submission
shortly,
but
at
this
stage,
could
you
just
confirm
that
this
is
an
accurate
outline
of
your
client's
application.
E
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
just
two
points.
I
want
to
double
check.
The
application
is
not
including
delivering
after
11
o'clock
at
night.
Is
it
it's
not
that
they
can
have
scooters
and
things
pulling
up
for
pizzas
at
one
o'clock
in
the.
E
E
E
Right
in
I,
we
have
with
us
this
evening,
mr
nadeem
shad,
who
is
the
team
leader
for
the
environmental
health
pollution,
the
environmental
protection
team?
Mr
shad,
would
you
like
to
make
your
statement
for
members.
H
Thank
you.
So
we
made
a
representation
based
on
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance.
H
We
acknowledge
the
premises
are
surrounded
are
in
a
mixed
residential
commercial
area.
However,
there
are
significant
significant
number
of
residential
premises
at
first
floor
level
and
also
directly
opposite
the
premises
we
also
acknowledge
there
are
other
licensed
premises
in
devil,
road
and
victoria
road
that
are
open
till
late.
H
So
the
background
noise
at
this
location
late
into
the
evening,
will
be
low
despite
its
location,
so
any
noise
produced
by
customers
arriving
departing
delivery
vehicles,
arriving
departing
and
delivery
vehicles
to
the
premises
will
be
audible
and
could
cause
a
public
nuisance.
H
H
So
for
that
reason
we
made
this
representation.
There
is
nothing
in
the
operating
schedule
for
the
prevention
public
nuisance
to
mitigate
any
noise,
any
nothing
significant
in
the
operating
schedule
to
mitigate
any
noise
and
therefore
we
remain
convinced
there
may
be
a
public
nuisance
caused
by
this
application.
A
A
J
G
Well,
well,
the
only
question
I
would
have
is:
would
it
be?
G
H
So,
from
from
a
noise
point
of
view,
I
mean
you're
still
creating
a
noise
late
at
night,
so
those
those
sources
of
noise
will
still
exist.
It
would
be
up
to
the
committee
to
determine
whether
they
deem
that
acceptable.
Obviously,
that's
different
to
the
application
that
was
made
originally,
but
3
a.m.
At
that
location,
I
still
believe
is
he's
too
late.
There
are
residential
premises,
as
I
said,
immediately,
adjacent
above
and
also
directly
opposite.
There's
a
block
of
flats
above
tesco
express
opposite.
G
A
Moving
on
mr
abdullah,
if
you
would
like
to
make
an
oral
submission
to
the
committee,
if
you'd
like
to.
G
Oh
no,
I
have.
G
A
Okay,
okay,
members,
do
you
have
any
relevant
questions
for
the
applicant.
A
K
F
Yeah,
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
feedback.
I
don't
know
how
other
people
are
as
well.
I
think
you're,
probably
in
the
same
room
as
somebody
else,
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
like
a
constant
echo
with
my
speaker
here
from
I
don't
know
if
that
can
be
muted
or
whatever.
I
find
it
quite
difficult
to
hear
what
you're
saying.
A
That
the
echo
stopped
now.
Thank
you
yeah
great
great,
thank
you.
So
I
was
like
summaries
so
just
going
to
invite
mr
shah
to
make
a
brief
summing
up.
H
Thank
you,
so
we
acknowledged
mr
abdullah's
submission
today
for
two
days
to
three
three
a.m.
It's
still
our
opinion
that
that
potential
has
the
potential
to
cause
a
public
nuisance.
3
a.m
is
too
late.
Therefore,
we
remain.
Our
objection
remains.
A
G
C
C
Thank
you
chair
so,
and
what's
going
to
happen
next
is
that
the
members
will
be
placed
into
a
breakout
room
where
they
will
discuss
the
decision
with
the
legal
officer
and
mr
abdullah,
if
you
wish
to
leave
at
this
point,
you
can
a
decision
will
be
sent
to
you
in
writing
within
five
working
days,
and
the
same
goes
for
mr
chad.
I
don't
know
whether
you're
staying
for
the
next
hearing
or
whether
you're.
C
J
Because
someone
joined-
and
it's
got
galaxy
tab
is
that
is
that
pam
pay
any
chance.
I
J
J
J
J
E
A
Can
I
start
going
through
the
housekeeping
stuff
while
we're
waiting
okay,
good
evening
everybody
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
worthy
licensing
and
control
subcommittee
meeting
on
the
10th
of
august?
I
will
just
now
go
through
some
housekeeping
bits
and
pieces.
This
is
the
following
procedure
which
will
apply
to
this
meeting
during
the
meeting.
All
participants
will
be
in
control
of
their
own
microphone.
You
should
set
your
microphone
to
mute
until
such
time
as
I
invite
you
to
speak.
A
A
A
A
A
Decisions
will
not
be
announced
this
evening,
so
our
committee
members
this
evening
are
councillor
dawn
smith,
councillor
roy
barracloff
and
myself,
councillor
sally
smith
in
the
chair,
so
I'm
just
going
to
hand
over
now
to
democratic
services
who
will
introduce
the
officers
present.
Thank
you,
mr
kevin
dando.
C
Thank
you
chair.
We
have
myself
and
case
mcmullen
representing
democratic
services
and
simon
jones
represented
licensing,
and
we
also
have
michael
lavender
from
environmental
protection
and
caroline
perry
who's.
The
council's
legal
advisor.
A
E
Good
evening,
this
is
an
application
made
on
behalf
of
mr
steven
gardner
for
a
variation
to
his
premises
license
at
the
factory
live,
which
is
a
music
venue
situated
at
unit
9a
iv
arch
road
worthing.
E
The
current
premises
license
is
attached
at
appendix
c.
However.
In
summary,
the
the
current
license
authorizes
the
sale
of
alcohol
for
consumption,
on
the
premises
from
midday
to
2300
hours
sunday
to
thursday
and
from
midday
to
0
100
hours
of
the
following
morning.
On
a
friday
and
saturday.
E
E
E
The
application
is
attached
to
appendix
d.
However.
In
summary,
the
application
is
seeking
a
variation
to
the
license
to
authorize
the
sale
of
alcohol
for
consumption
off
the
premises,
the
provision
of
late
night
refreshment
and
amendment
and
extension
of
the
following
hours
for
licensable
activity.
E
So
it
is
seeking
alcohol
sales
for
consumption
on
and
off
the
premises
from
0
800
hours
to
2300
hours,
sunday
to
thursday,
0
800
hours
to
0
300
hours
of
the
following
morning,
friday
and
saturday,
it's
looking
to
amend
the
hours
for
live
music
and
recorded
music
to
0
800
hours
to
0
300
hours
of
the
following
morning.
On
a
friday
and
saturday,
it
is
looking
to
authorize
the
provision
of
late
night
refreshment
from
2300
hours
to
0
300
hours
of
the
following
morning.
E
On
a
friday
and
saturday,
and
basically
opening
to
the
public,
oh
800,
to
300
hours
of
the
following
morning
on
a
friday
and
saturday,
no
other
changes
were
proposed
by
the
application
and
in
addition,
I
can
report
that
from
the
first
of
january,
2021,
first
of
january,
2021,
the
premises
has
utilized
seven
temporary
event,
notices
for
events
running
until
0
300
hours
of
the
morning,
and
there
have
been
no
complaints
about
these
events.
E
Section
5
of
the
report
briefly
reaffirms
our
role
here
today
and
what
members
need
to
have
regard
to
when
making
their
decision.
It
highlights
the
the
licensing,
objectives
and
sections
of
the
council's
licensing
policy
that
may
be
considered
protect,
particularly
relevant,
though,
as
as
always,
I
must
point
out
that
the
policy
as
a
whole
must
be
considered.
E
E
Sussex
police
made
a
representation
listing
a
number
of
conditions
that
they
consider
require
removal
from
the
current
license
amendment
and
imposing
on
the
license
to
enable
this
premises
to
meet
the
licensing
objectives.
If
members
were
of
a
mind
to
grant
the
variation,
their
representation
is
attached
in
full.
At
appendix
e
of
the
report,
the
adrian
worthing
council's
environmental
protection
team
made
a
number
of
comments
regarding
their
concerns
that
granting
the
extended
hours
will
negatively
impact
on
the
prevention
of
public
news
and
subjective,
and
members
have
just
recently
been
forwarded.
E
However,
as
I've
mentioned,
the
representations
are
reproduced
in
four
and
accordingly,
members
will
have
to
carefully
exercise
their
judgment
with
regard
to
how
much
weight,
if
any,
they
give.
Some
of
the
points
that
are
made.
E
In
section
9
of
the
report,
the
committee's
attention
is
directed
to
the
aspects
of
the
act
and
this
application
that
members
should
consider
when
coming
to
their
decision-
and
this
includes
the
four
staff
statutory
licensing
objectives,
the
council's
statement
of
licensing
policy,
the
guidance
issued
by
the
home
secretary,
the
relevant
representations
from
all
the
parties-
and,
I
would
say
the
mediated
agreements
reached.
E
But
then
there
are
none
and
listed
at
9.3
of
the
report
of
the
options
that
are
open
to
the
committee
when
making
their
decision
and
and
section
9
goes
on
to
emphasize
members
obligation
to
give
reasons
for
their
decision.
E
And
I
think
that's
it.
Members
are
requested
to
determine
the
application
for
a
variation
to
the
premises
license
at
factory,
live
the
music
venue
situated
act
unit,
9a,
ivy
arch
road
worthing,
made
by
mr
stephen
gardner,
and
give
reasons
for
that
determination,
chair
members,
if
you
have
any
questions
or
need
clarification
on
any
aspect
of
this
report,
I'll
be
happy
to
deal
with
them
in
a
moment,
but
first
may
I
introduce
for
the
applicant.
We
have
miss
kerry
jones
representing
factory
live.
I
believe
mr
gardner
is
unfortunately
not
very
well
miss
jones.
E
E
A
D
E
And
a
half
I
I
think:
well
it's
conjecture,
but
the
applicant
is
looking
to
make
it
a
more
permanent.
D
Yes,
ourselves
understand,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
check
that
the
license
if
we
were
to
grant
it
for
these
hours
would
mean
that
they
could
have
every
friday
and
saturday
night
in
theory,
because
the
license
would
cover
that
it's
up
to
them,
whether
they
lose
their
friday.
Exactly.
Thank
you.
That's
all
I
needed
to
know.
Thank
you.
F
No
nothing
to
add.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
Chair
we
have
making
representation
tonight.
I
I'll
start
at
the
top
of
my
list,
mr
darren
middleton,
mr
middleton
you're,
representing
sussex
police.
Would
you
like
to
make
your
representation
to
members.
I
Yep
so
good
evening,
everybody
so
thursday,
the
16th
of
june
2022
susque
splice's
licensing
team,
received
a
variation
application
for
the
factory
live
premises.
I
So
the
application
that's
already
been
stated
by
simon
is
to
extend
the
opening
hours
on
friday
and
saturday
nights
from
1
a.m
to
3
a.m
and
to
sell
alcohol
for
consumption
off
the
premises,
as
well
as
on
the
premises
at
this.
At
this
present
time
they
have
on-premises
only
for
the
extended
hours
element,
sussex
police
raised
a
representation
proposing.
I
I
The
terrorist
area
will
fall
under
the
off-premises
or
off
sales,
which
could
pose
a
risk
due
to
the
lack
of
control
and
the
lack
of
enforceable
conditions
placed
on
it.
I
sensed
an
email
to
the
applicant.
Mr
on
the
5th
of
ju
of
july
2022,
requesting
further
information
as
to
the
licensable
area
plan
and
to
whether
the
enclosed
terrace
was
covered
by
the
premise's
licence.
I
I
didn't
receive
any
response
with
regards
to
that.
So
therefore,
we
raised
a
representation
which
was
then
submitted,
so
we
all
have
a
responsibility
with
regards
to
prevention
of
crime
disorder,
public
safety,
including
vulnerable
persons
and
public
nuisance,
and
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
so
allowing
off
premises.
For
example,
customers
leaving
leaving
at
the
end
of
an
event
who
may
be
intoxicated
with
alcohol
in
their
possession,
could
cause
public
nuisance
outside
of
the
premises
which
we
must
prevent
from
happening.
I
I
We
are
aware
that
the
premises
has
had
temporary
event,
notices
of
temporary
event,
notices,
which
were
carried
out
with
no
issues.
I
L
I
think
probably
some
of
mr
milton's
concerns
can
be
laid
when
I
make
my
full
submission.
So
if
it's
all
right
with
you,
if
I
do
thank
you.
A
That's
fine
I'll
just
hand
over
to
mr
jones
center
introduce
the
next
person
making
representation.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
michael
lavender
environmental
health
officer
representing
the
environmental
protection
team.
Mr
lavender,
would
you
like
to
make
your
representation
for
members.
B
Yes,
sir
well,
thank
you
good
evening.
Everybody
I'll
keep
it
brief.
The
main
concerns
about
noise
from
the
premises.
Obviously,
some
of
the
representations
have
referred
to
hearing
the
base
from
the
venue
in
their
own
properties
and
just
how
this
would
be
investigated
and
managed
moving
forward.
There
was
no
information
provided
or
no
mediation.
You
know
there
was
no
content
was
made
with
me
for
mediation
to
discuss
this
and
and
secondly,
my
biggest
concern
is
the
use
of
the
frontage.
B
If
people
are
outside
there
drinking,
you
know
right
into
the
early
hours
the
impact
that's
going
to
have
on
nearby
residential
property,
because
you
know
when
you
get
a
lot
of
people
in
high
spirits.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
control
noise
from
people
talking
and
other
things.
So
and
now
that
is
a
big
concern
for
me
that
potentially
because
you
know
probably
nuisance
to
nearby
residents
and
that's
it.
D
Thank
you
for
your
report,
mr
lavender.
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
I
read
your
latest
information
that
came
through
as
well
earlier,
and
I
would
just
like
to
know:
is
there
any
conditions
that
you
can
advise
us
on?
Maybe
not
at
this
stage
in
the
meeting
but
conditions
that
we
can
impose
that
their
noise
was
more
contained
in
the
venue,
I'm
not
technical
at
all?
Obviously
I
don't
know
how
you
measure
it
all,
but
is
there
anything
that
we
could
impose
if
they
were
to?
B
Yes,
the
the
last
submission
I
made,
I
very
referred
to
a
condition
for
noise
levels,
and
there
are,
I
don't
know
what
they
have
in
operation
inside
the
venue
for
the
sound
system
and
that
maybe
they
may
elaborate
later,
but
there
are
compressors
and
other
things
that
are
using
a
lot
of
establishments
on
this
that
can
take
out
some
of
that
base
that
the
residents
are
hearing.
B
So
you
know
it
can
be
managed,
it's
not
insurmountable,
so
that
that
element
can
be
controlled,
and
you
know,
and
if
we
set
the
standard
that
I
put
in
with
the
email
you
know
as
an
objective,
then
you
know
that
should
prevent
any
disturbance
to
nearby
residents.
B
As
for
the
outside
use
for
people
and
talking
and
other
things,
I
it's
so
much
more
difficult
to
control
that
and
with
with
voices,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
loud,
we're
geared
up
to
hear
voices
and
tune
in
so
you
know,
any
sort
of
voice
is
late
and
that's
going
to
be
audible
and
you
know
be
disturbing.
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
and
last
on
on
my
list.
For
today,
and
not
least,
I
have
mrs
pam
bennett,
mrs
bennett,
you
wrote
in
made
a
representation
regarding
the
application.
Would
you
like
to
make
your
statement
for
members.
K
Yes,
my
my
main
thing
was
alcohol
being
served
off
the
premises
at
any
time.
K
I
just
didn't
think
that
that
was
necessary
and
people
returning
from
the
town
will
be
able
to
top
up,
and
it
could
cause
noise
nuisance
and
more
litter
in
an
area
which
is
used
as
a
dumping
ground
for
bottles
cans
and
take
away
litter
as
it
is,
I
did
send
in
a
photograph
of
two
carrier
bags
of
litter
that
I
picked
up
on
sunday
from
just
the
entrance
of
ivy
arch
road
and
on
the
birch
at
the
end
of
our
road.
K
I
realized
that
the
boys
club
and
the
mosque
can't
be,
and
I
don't
understand
why
the
effect
it
might
have
on
the
turning
tides,
which
is
for
vulnerable
people,
it
does
doesn't
just
doesn't.
I
can't
understand
why
that
wouldn't
be
brought
into
I'm
also
rejecting
to
the
loud
music
until
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
although
our
property
we've
got
the
bt
exchange
in
front
of
it
and
it
does
prevent
the
noise,
we
do
sometimes
hear
the
bass
pump.
K
Thump
sump,
you
know
into
the
you
know
late
at
night
we
don't
usually
go
to
bed
until
midnight,
but
we
hear
it
then
and
neighbors
further
along
the
road
who
haven't
got
the
building
right
in
front
of
them.
They
have
complained
to
me
about
it,
but
that's
that's
what
I've
got
to
say.
Really,
I've
got
nothing
against
factory
live
it's
quite
nice
to
think
that
there
is
something
and
people
around
in
that
road.
K
You
know
we
used
to
walk
around
there
with
our
dogs
and
it
was
quite
nice
to
think
that
there's
somebody
there,
but
it's
just
the
fact
of
I
wouldn't
feel
safe
now
at
the
thought
of
people
drinking
and
sitting
around
like
they
do
on
the
walls
as
it
is.
But
at
night.
K
Have
I
have,
I
is
this
for
me
yeah?
No,
I
haven't
I
haven't
because
it
doesn't
affect
us,
particularly.
It
was
just
people
further
down
the
road
and
thank
you,
I
don't
believe
they've
even
taken
any
notice
of
the.
I
did
put
letters
in
the
road
to
tell
people
about
the
this.
This
change
and
obviously
they
haven't
put
anything
in.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
in
that
case,
we'll
move
on
to
asking
the
applicant
to
make
a
submission
to
the
committee.
So,
mr
ms
jones,
if
you'd
like
to
go
ahead,
thank
you.
Yes,
I'd
like
to.
L
Just
explain
that
steve
gardner
is
has
had
an
operation
this
afternoon
to
try
and
save
amputation
of
his
right
foot.
So
the
fact
that
he's
not
here
is
very
serious.
It
not
that
he
doesn't.
You
know
his
business
is
everything
to
him,
but
he's
been
in
hospital
for
three
weeks
and
he's
been
poorly
for
some
time
before
that,
which
I
imagine
is
why
the
mediation
has
not
has
not
been
responded
to,
for
which
I
apologize
has
been
a
difficult
time
for
us
all.
L
Obviously,
the
complications
with
his
diabetes
are
very
serious
at
the
moment,
so
my
apologies
to
mr
laventure
and
mr
middleton
and
mrs
bennett
for
that
you're
right
that,
yes,
we
are
asking
for
the
licensing
house
to
be
extended.
If
I
deal
with
that,
first
of
all,
as
mr
jones
has
said,
we
currently
use
temporary
event
notices.
L
You
know
the
plan
is
not
to
increase
the
frequency
enormously
at
all.
It's
purely
that.
Every
time
you
do
a
temporary
event
notice
and
I've
done
one
for
other
places.
In
the
past
they're
quite
lengthy
documents,
they
need
to
be
sent
into
the
local
authority
and
to
the
chief
constable
and
to
everyone
else
within
a
time
period,
and
there
is
a
fee
attached.
It
is
more
about
giving
us
the
freedom
as
a
venue
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
there
is
no
intention
that
it
will
be
every
friday
and
saturday
night.
L
L
We
have
to
diversify
and
and
provide
events
for
all
of
the
community,
and
we
want
to
encourage
young
people
as
well
as
those
of
us
that,
like
her,
perhaps
more,
perhaps
an
earlier
finish
than
that
to
also
attend
to
attend
the
venue,
you
know
and
be
part
of
that
community.
So
so
please
don't
think
mrs
bennett
or
your
neighbours
that
it's
going
to
be
anything
like
every
friday
or
saturday
night,
because
I
assure
you
that
it
isn't
we
haven't,
had
any
complaints.
L
Well,
I
spoke
to
steve
gardner
yesterday
and
he
said
he's
had
no
formal
complaints
about
noise
about
the
base
noise,
whether
it's
us,
whether
it
could
be
cars
that
sometimes
go
up
and
down
the
road
I
don't
know,
but
we
haven't
received
any
complaints
either
from
members
of
the
public
or
from
mr
lavender's
office
from
environmental
health
with
regards
to
the
public
drinking
and
outside
my
understanding
was
the
cut
that,
as
the
frontage
is
within
the
cartilage,
that
it
is
cut
covered
under
the
current
license,
but
simon
jones,
I
guess,
would
be
the
authority
on
that.
L
It's
not
a
particularly
larger.
It's
completely
enclosed
at
the
gate
to
the
street.
There
is
always
security,
because,
obviously
we
don't
it's
a
pay.
It's
a
paying
venue
on
the
whole,
so
people
come
in
and
out
that
gate
need
to
have
some
kind
of
ticket
or
some
you
know,
sort
of
payment.
So
it's
not
that
anybody
could
just
walk
in
and
have
a
drink.
L
On
that
basis
there
are
occasional
free
nights,
but
that
again
would
be
controlled
because
we
are,
we
have
a
capacity.
You
know.
Obviously,
the
fire
regulations
deemed
that
our
capacity
has
to
be
within
a
certain
limit,
so
we're
not
able
to
just
to
have
a
free
flow.
If
you
like
in
and
out
of
the
venue
I
mean
the
noise
survey
does
hasn't
been
said,
but
I
assume
it's
in
your
report.
L
A
noise
survey
was
done
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
that
did
include
the
exterior
noise
and
we
always
have
security
guards
out
outside
then
people
are
patrons
are
not
left
on
their
own
in
at
any
stage.
L
So
there
is
regulation
there
and,
as
mr
milton
has
said,
there
has
been
one
one
incident
in
100
events
in
two
and
a
half
years
that
the
police
were
called
and
it's
my
understanding
that
there
was
no
issue,
although
mr
milton
obviously
can
clarify
this
with
the
way
the
factory
had
dealt
with
anything
on
that
evening
or
with
our
procedures
and
processes
that
were
in
place
to
deal
with
that
that
particular
customer.
L
As
mrs
bennett
said,
we
are
protected
on
one
side
by
the
btb
building,
which,
for
those
of
you,
that
know
is
quite
a
monolith
and
on
the
other
side
is
a.
Is
the
train
line?
It
is
not
a
residential
area.
My
understanding
with
regards
to
turning
tides
because
of
the
agent
of
change
principle,
is
that
the
onus
is
on
them
rather
than
the
venue
to
to
adapt.
L
We
are
an
existing
business
and
we
have
run
with
tens
notice
since,
since
the
start,
without
complaint
so
and
they're,
aware
of
that,
they
actually
had
held
their
consultation
at
the
factory
live,
and
we
we
attended,
obviously,
all
of
us
and
discuss
this
with
them
and
also
the
issue.
I
think
that
was
raised
about
the
vulnerable
client
group
and
the
alcohol
sales,
but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
come
in
and
buy
alcohol.
L
The
off
sales
side
is
only
for
our
patrons
who
want
to
take
a
drink
home
with
them,
and
it
would
be
made
very
clear
to
them
that
that
that
is
the
deal.
Obviously,
I
assume
we're
still
prohibited
by
the
bylaw
that
drinking
in
the
street
is
illegal,
so
we
that
would
always
be
be
reminded
of
them
just
trying
to
see
if
there
was
anything
else
that
I
think
everything
else
is
covered
in
the
application.
Our
staff
are
fully
briefed.
L
Obviously,
security
staff
are
sia,
often
where
we
are
on
the
side
of
caution
with
security
staff,
particularly
at
a
later
event,
we
would
probably
have
additional
security,
perhaps
joining
at
midnight,
just
to
to
ensure
that
that
that
there
was
that
capacity
if
it
was
needed,
our
duty
managers
are
very
experienced
and
hold
briefings
in
radio
contact
all
the
time
throughout
the
with
the
bar
and
and
in
both
inside
and
outside
of
the
venue
security
staff,
and
I
think
that,
even
in
the
noise
survey
it
makes
note
that
the
the
exterior
area
is
well
managed.
L
It's
not
just
left
left
to.
If
you
just
bear
with
me.
Obviously
it's
not
my
venue.
I've
got
lots
of
notes
here.
If
you
just
bear
with
me
just
for
a
second,
I
just
want
to
check
I've
covered
everything
that
I've
written
on
my
extensive
pieces
of
paper
no
yeah.
The
other
thing
is,
of
course
we
are.
We
have
got
a
very
high
fence
around
the
venue.
It's
only
a
it
is
only
a
while
fence,
but
it's
completely
enclosed.
L
It's
a
harris
fence
and
a
bit
like
you
know
that
you
will
see
out
and
about
it,
but
it
is
completely
enclosed
and
we
are
a
relatively
small
venue.
Our
capacity
is
is
under
300
and
on
most
events
we
we,
unfortunately
perhaps
don't
reach
that
as
as
it
comes,
so
we
are
a
small
venue
and
when
you
look
at
the
position
of
the
venue,
it
is
ideally
placed
in
an
area
which
it
would
be
quite
hard,
I
think,
to
find
an
area
where
there
are
less
residential
with
less
residential.
L
If
you
think
about
the
clubs
that
operate
on
the
on
the
sea
front,
the
pubs
that
are
open,
till
3
30
have
got
flats
above
them
and
certainly
a
much
closer
proximity
than
than
anything
that
we
have
at
the
factory
live,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
why
that
was
you
know
that
was
considered.
You
know
to
be
the
best
place.
To
put
it,
you
know
in
obviously
not
wanting.
You
know
it's
no
good
for
our
business.
If
we
upset
everybody
around
us
that
wouldn't
be
what
we
would
want.
L
So,
yes,
I
think,
that's
it
really.
It's
it's
basically
regularizing.
L
If
you
like
what
we
already
do
with
the
10
status
and
giving
us
a
bit
more
flexibility
to
be
able
to
to
do
that,
we've
had
no
complaints,
no
certainly
no
noise,
complaints
to
us
within
the
last
two
years
or
100
events,
as
I
say,
just
the
one
police
attendant.
So
I
think
you
know.
Hopefully
that
speaks
for
itself
and
how
well
managed
the
venue
is
that
that
is
that's
been
the
case.
I
think
I've
covered
everything,
but
do
people
get
a
chance
to
ask
me
questions
now?
Yes,.
A
E
Just
for
clarification
chair
the
plan,
the
plan
of
the
factory
doesn't
show
an
outside
area
for
the
consumption
of
alcohol.
It
just
shows
parking
spaces.
E
That
piece
of
legislation
was
due
to
be
withdrawn
on
the
30th
of
september
this
year,
but
has
been
extended
for
another
year,
but
currently
the
plans
we've
got
show
no
outside
drinking
area,
with
the
premise.
A
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
miss
jones
yeah.
Thank
you
for
detailing
the
outline
of
your
event
sounds
or
your
premises.
It
sounds
like
it's
very
well
run
establishment
if
you
only
have
all
the
police
in
the
in
the
once
in
the
in
the
last
year.
I
know
many
establishments.
F
Establishment
as
well,
the
your
colleague
who's
obviously
suffered
some
a
medical
problem.
It
must
be
very
difficult
in
this
current
climate
to
try
and
keep
the
business
afloat
when,
if
with
medical
conditions
ongoing
it's
very
difficult
when
you
can
be
there
all
the
time,
but
that
must
be
a
bit
very
big
distraction.
F
In
that
respect,
it
must
be
a
very
difficult,
but
this
this
thing
about
mediation,
as
you
can
probably
understand,
is
very
important
to
us
when
we,
when
we
hear
applications,
because
the
statutory
authorities
obviously
make
these
comments-
and
we
really
do
need
applicants
to
engage
with
those
comments
not
only
from
statutory
authorities
but
from
residents
when
they
make
comments
as
well,
and
I
I
and
I
say
I
certainly
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
recognized
that
this
hasn't
happened.
F
It
was
the
first
thing
you
you
started
talking
about
for
in
your
in
your
submission,
but
I
suppose
the
question
I've
come
to
then
is:
did
you
consider
any
time
maybe
delaying
this
application
or
putting
off
this
application
anyway
until
that
mediation
that
had
taken
place?
As
I
say,
this
is
important
for
us
to
recognize
it
is
happening
and
did
you
consider
a
delay
whilst
the
mediation
took
place.
L
Thank
you,
councillor,
barry
cluff.
Unfortunately,
I
wasn't
aware
that
that
that
that
that
that
mr
lavender
had
requested
that
and
mr
middleton,
I
think
I'm
part
of
steve
gardner's
diabetes-
affects
his
eyesight.
He
has
regular
eye
injections,
which
he's
not
been
able
to
have
so
his
site
is
very
poor.
I
imagine
that
he
hasn't
seen
the
emails.
L
We're
aware
that
there
is
some
succession
planning
for
one
of
a
better
term
that
needs
to
to
be
put
in
place
so
that
this
this
situation
doesn't
happen
again,
but
it
just
it
spiraled
very
quickly.
If
you
would
prefer.
Obviously,
as
a
committee,
that
we
adjourn
a
decision
pending
mediation,
then
we
we
would
respect
that,
particularly
if
there
are
issues
that
people
want
to
explore
more
than
than
we're
able
to
tonight.
L
But
unfortunately
it
just
was
something
that
I
wasn't
aware
of
until
yesterday
morning
and
I
spoke
to
stephen-
he
said
I'm
sorry-
I
have
no
knowledge
of
that.
Well,
clearly,
you
know
that
the
approaches
have
been
made,
and
you
know
one
one
assumes
that
that,
within
the
the
current
situation
that
he's
in
he
wasn't
able
to
to
to
respond
to
those
as
he
should
have
been,
because
I
know
that
he
is
always
concerned
about
you
know
being
part
of
the
community
about
not
alienating
the
the
residents.
L
As
I
said
that
that's
bad
business
for
us,
it
makes
no
sense
so
so,
no,
unfortunately,
that
is
something
that
is
our
our
error,
for
which
I
can
only
apologize.
L
D
Thank
you
chin.
Thank
you,
ms
jones,
just
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
wanted
to
ask:
do
you
normally,
you
know
when
you
have
the
temporary
licenses,
where
you've
had
them
later
nights
and
going
forward.
If
you
were
to
have
the
later
nights
on
a
more
regular
basis,
would
you
have
a
cut-off
time
for
allowing
new
customers
in
that
they're
attending
and
what
kind
of
how
big
would
the
capacity
be
outside
for
any
drinking?
L
Thank
you,
mrs
smith.
Yes,
there
would,
there
would
be
a
cut
off
time.
I
can't
honestly
tell
you
when
that
would
be.
L
I
guess
it
would
depend
event
by
event,
but
I
would
imagine
that
by
midnight
it
would
be
unlikely
that
there
would
be
a
huge
amount
of
more
people
coming
into
the
venue,
mostly
I
think
they
start
at
about
10.,
and
but
yes,
there
would
be
a
cut-off
point
and
obviously
we
wouldn't
admit
anybody
who
was
clearly
already
under
the
influence,
regardless
of
whether
they
had
a
ticket
or
not,
that
they
wouldn't.
We
don't
want
them
in
our
venue
any
more
than
you
know
than
them.
You
do
the
frontage.
L
Yeah
about
50,
I
would
say
maximum:
it's
not
a
large
area.
There
are
probably
about
20,
possibly
not
even
that
many
seats
it.
Although
I
think
in
his
report
mr
lavender
speaks
of
people
going
out
there
to
smoke
which
they
do,
but
they
do
also
already
congregate
before
and
after
the
event,
so
you
know
again
it's
something
that
it's
happening
at
the
moment.
L
This
isn't
going
to
be
a
huge
change
for
anybody,
and
particularly
in
the
hot
weather,
we
have
had
lots
of
customers
outside
and
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
not
not
causing
too
much
havoc.
The
other
thing
with
the
club
nights
is
that
often
it
that
it
seems
to
be
that
this
that
alcohol
sales
are
not
actually
particularly
high.
L
A
You
very
much
yeah
I'd
like
to
now
invite
parties
who
made
representations
to
ask
any
relevant
questions
of
the
applicant.
Mr
lavender,
I
can
see
that
your
hands
up,
so
would
you
like
to
go
ahead.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
can't
see
the
hand
raise
button
on
me.
B
Yes,
can
we
get
some
information
as
to
what
you
have
for
noise
control
inside
the
cob?
Is
there
any
sort
of
noise
limiter
on
the
sound
systems
that
could
be
used
to
control
the
base
that
the
residents
are
reporting
their
hearing.
L
B
L
Your
email,
so
yes,
that
is
something
that
presumably
we
use
at
the
moment.
I
mean
obviously
at
the
moment
we're
complying
with
the
sound
server.
We've
had
no
complaints
so.
K
L
Weren't
aware
that
residents
could
hear
the
base,
because
the
sound
survey
says
that
it
would
anticipate
that
it
wouldn't
be
heard
inside
even
with
an
open
window,
so
that
you
know
that's
why.
I
perhaps
wonder
if
it
might
be.
You
know
the
the
occasional
cars
that
go
up
and
down
and
race
with
the
loud
bass-
and
I
don't
know
but
but
yeah
there
is
a
compressor
fitted
much
beyond
that.
I'm
afraid
it's
not
my
technical
expertise,
but
but
clearly
it
has
already
been
thought
about
within
the
venue.
B
L
B
That's
so
that's
so
the
complaints
could
be
investigated.
B
You
know
because
that
would
probably
be
the
best
way
forward
if
we
could
say
that,
because
the
the
sound
survey
didn't
go
to
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
finished
quite
early
and
also
they
didn't
contact
any
of
the
residents
beforehand
to
let
them
know
to
see
whether
they
could
assess
under
their
properties
when
they
were
doing
it.
So
it
was
all
done
on
the
street
and
around
the
area
so
that
there's
a
bit
of
conjecture
in
there
from
what
could
be
heard
in
that.
J
L
Will
speak
to
steve
gardner
about
that?
We
need
to
find
out,
as
you
said,
there's
a
pattern
of
events
you
know
and
if
it
is,
if
it
is
particular
things
then
obviously
we
can.
We
can
remedy
that
without
too
much
trouble.
I
imagine.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
more
questions
from
people
making
representations?
K
Can
I
just,
can
I
just
clarify
that
people
won't
be
able
to
come
in
from
downtown
and
just
go
in
and
buy
alcohol
and
and
sit
around
outside
drinking
it?
L
No,
that
won't
be
the
case.
There'll
be
ticketed
events,
so
to
enter
the
premises,
you
will
need
to
have
a
ticket,
and
that
is
at
the
cartilage
of
the
premises.
That's
at
the
gates,
that's
not
at
the
start
of
the
actual
building.
L
So
when
you,
when
you
approach
the
factory,
live,
there's
a
set
of
gates
with
two
security
normally
there
and
they
don't.
Let
you
be
on
that.
If
you
haven't
got
a
ticket
to
come
in,
so
no,
it
won't
be
used
as
a
late
night
like
a
pub
that
isn't
the
idea.
It
is
part
of
it's.
It's
just
part
of
the
club
nights,
which
I
understand
a
bit
young
people
these
days
enjoy
which
go
on
you
know
later
into
the
night,
and
it's
about
being
able
to
put
those
on
as
and
when.
L
A
No,
in
that
case,
I'm
going
to
invite
you,
ms
jones,
if
you'd
like
to
just
make
a
brief
summing
up
of
your
application.
Please
thank
you
very.
L
Much
and
thank
you
for
your
input,
which
we
will
take
away
and
always
used
to
to
try
to
address
any
concerns.
I
think
I'm
sure
you
will
realize
that
trying
to
run
an
entertainment
venue,
post
hovid
has
got.
L
It's
certainly
got
its
its
challenges
and
the
ability
that
this
these
changes
would
would
give
us
would
be
to
be
able
to
adapt
and
diversify,
perhaps
a
little
bit
more
to
make
our
business
more
viable,
and
I
really
can't
emphasize
enough
that
it's
very
little
change
to
what
we
have
at
the
moment.
L
It
is
about
an
ad
hoc
event,
not
about
every
friday
and
saturday
night
until
three
o'clock.
It
is
about
giving
us
the
opportunity,
on
occasion
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
the
portfolio
of
events
which
a
lot
of
which
are
to
be
fair,
aimed
at
the
sort
of
at
least
30
plus,
sometimes
40
plus
market,
most
of
which
do
not
want
to
stay
out
even
beyond
11
o'clock.
L
So
you
know
please,
when
the
committee
is
considering
this,
I
would
just
ask
you
to
say:
we've
had
seven
event
notices,
as
mr
jones
has
said,
with
no
complaints
with
with
no
issues
that
the
event
that
the
mr
milton
referred
to
in
april.
To
my
knowledge
wasn't
a
late
event,
so
I
don't
think
that
was
that
was
one
that
took
place
outside
of
the
hours
in
the
house
that
we're
proposing
and
to
do
with
the
frontage.
It's
a
small
fronted,
we're
a
small
venue
in
an
industrial
semi-industrial
area.
L
People
like
to
sit
outside,
particularly
in
the
nice
weather,
obviously
we're
on
no
smoking
venue,
as
we
all
are
these
days,
and
it's
just
about
offering
you
know
that
customer
experience
and
giving
them
a
bit
more,
that
we've
got
that
it's
well
enclosed.
You've
got
containers
at
two
ends.
As
I
say,
the
position
of
the
venue
is
such
that
it's
it's
quite
well.
It's
got
quite
a
lot
of
yes,
quite
well,
shielded
either
side.
L
So
I
would
ask
you
to
to
just
take
that
into
account,
please
when
you,
when
you
make
your
decision
and
if
you
feel
that
you
would
be
more
comfortable
speaking
to
mr
gardner,
then
obviously
I'll.
Leave
that
to
the
chair
to
to
notify
me
accordingly.
L
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
to
my
representations
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
jones
and
our
best
wishes
to
mr
gardner
for
a
quick
recovery.
Are
there
any
more
questions?
A
No,
so
sorry,
I
will
pass
questions.
Would
anybody
who
has
made
a
representation
like
to
sum
up
briefly.
A
C
Thank
you
chair,
and
so
what
happened
now
is
that
the
live
stream
will
be
stopped
and
those
making
representations
will
leave
the
meeting
and
the
councillors,
along
with
the
legal
officer,
will
come
to
a
decision
and
all
parties
will
be
notified
within
five
working
days.
Writing
so.