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A
A
A
If
you
have
registered
to
speak
this
evening,
I
will
announce
you
at
the
right
time.
You
must
keep
your
comments
to
planning
matters
and
speak
within
your
time
limit
following
the
representations,
the
committee
will
discuss
the
planning
applications
in
turn
and
vote
on
each
application
to
reach
a
decision
this
evening.
A
B
Thank
you.
There
is
no
fire
alarm
planned
during
this
meeting.
Therefore,
if
the
alarm
does
sound,
please
leave
via
the
nearest
exit
and
go
to
the
assembly.
Point,
do
not
stop
to
collect
belongings
and
do
not
use
the
lift.
The
assembly
point
is
in
the
car
park.
Please
remain
at
the
assembly
point
until
advised
it
is
safe
to
return
to
the
building.
B
A
A
Number
three
is
a
public
questions
and
there
are
none
and
number
four
is
confirmations
of
minutes
from
the
committee.
Are
you
all
happy
me
for
me
to
sign
these
as
a
true
record?
Thank
you
and
item.
Fives
is
items
raised
under
urgency
provision
and
there
are
none,
so
this
will
take
us
to
the
first
of
the
planning
applications
tonight,
and
this
is
the
miller
and
carter
43
manor
road
lancing
and
the
application
number
is
awdm
048922,
because
this
is
my
ward
and
because
I
have
actually
been
involved
with
this.
A
D
Middle,
that's
it!
Okay!
It's
my
first
one
tonight!
So
we'll
give
it
a
go.
So
yes,
first
application
this
evening
is
awdm.
080489
22
is
the
miller
and
carter
gary.
Do
you
want
to
do
the
presentation.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
there's
nothing
further
to
add
to
the
report,
so
I
can
go
straight
into
the
presentation.
The
application
site
is
shown
here
where
the
cursor
is
circling.
At
the
moment
it
has
a
car
park
flanking
either
side
of
the
pub
and
as
the
report
states,
the
site
is
when,
within
the
north
lansing
conservation
area.
E
The
first
couple
of
plans
are
just
to
try
and
outline
what's
in
the
report,
about
the
original
application
and
what
is
proposed
now
it
is
a
a
retrospective
applications
as
such,
but
this
plan
was
the
one
originally
submitted,
and
these
arrows
also
show
there
were
two
signs
here
and
here
that
were
not
included
at
all
in
the
application
and
even
though
they
were
in
situ.
E
E
E
There
are
basically
two
forms
of
signage
one
here:
the
white
one
and
another
black
one
with
various
writing
on
requiring
customers
to
put
their
registration
number
into
a
pad
once
the
premises
are
entered
and
also,
as
members
will
see,
two
of
the
remaining
signs
towards
the
front
would
be
lowered
in
height
from
what
they
are
at
the
moment,
and
that's
that's
stated
in
the
reports
that
that'd
be
the
amendments,
those
signs
at
the
front
as
well,
so
these
are
again
further
examples
of
those
and
then
into
the
photographs.
E
So
this
is
one
standing
out
the
front
of
the
of
the
the
pub
restaurants.
So
this
is
one
of
the
signs
here
that
would
remain
but
be
lowered
where
the
cursor
is
at
present
they're
moving
round.
This
would
be
one
of
the
signs
that
would
go.
Is
there
two
central
ones
here
that
one
also
would
go
if
permission
were
granted?
E
This
is
moving
around
to
the
other
side
of
the
site,
that's
one
of
those
or
on
those
sites
that
wasn't
included
at
all
in
the
application,
but
it's
clearly
there,
so
that
would
need
to
be
removed.
This
is
another
one
as
well
that
is
proposed
to
be
removed
under
the
terms
of
the
recommendation
moving
to
the
other
side
of
the
wall,
as
it
were
quite
clearly.
This
sign
here
is
unacceptable
in
the
offices
view
because
it
faces
back
onto
the
the
main
public
highway
there.
E
So
that's
one
that
would
go
as
soon
as
you
go
around
the
corner
to
that
one
there,
which
also
has
its
back
to
the
road.
That's
another
one
of
those
that
should
be
removed
so
again,
looking
back
that
one
there,
the
back
would
remain,
but
that
one
wasn't
part
of
the
original
application
would
also
be
removed.
E
So
again,
just
moving
around
onto
here
that
one
goes
and
it's
the
two
that
flank
either
side
of
the
entrance
that
remain,
but
would
be
lower
and
again
coming
around.
That's
the
third
sign
at
the
front
that
is
proposed
to
be
removed
at
that
site
where
the
cursor
is
and,
as
you
can
see
inside.
That's
an
example
of
photos
we
saw
a
moment
ago
with
with
the
black
writing
on
the
last
photo
shows
that
a
picture
before
back
in
a
couple
years
ago
before
there
were
any
signs.
E
There
are
other
examples
of
signage
in
the
road,
such
as
a
bus,
stop
and
there's
some
school
signs
and
some
some
traffic
direction
signs
further
around.
So
that
does
show
clearly
that
there's
been
a
major
addition
of
signs
at
the
application
site.
E
So
for
the
reasons
set
out
in
the
report
as
amended,
the
the
application
is
recommended
for
approval.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
think
I
believe
we've
got
one
speaker
on
this
councillor
castle.
Aubry
would
you
like
to
take
the
seat.
D
You
have
three
minutes
for
your
presentation.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
are
you
ready?
The
miller
and
carter
is
a
popular
restaurant
in
north
lansing
and
it
lies
within
the
conservation
area
to
the
right
is
the
grade
one
listed
norman
church?
Exactly
opposite
is
the
thatch
cottage
at
the
old
cottage.
At
the
grade
two
listed
building,
the
miller
and
carter
lies
back
from
the
road
with
the
car
parked
to
the
front
and
both
sides.
It
fits
in
with
plenty
of
trees
and
shrubs
and
further
enhances
the
building.
F
Up
to
four
months
ago,
the
car
park
was
open
to
anyone
to
use,
in
particular,
car
parking,
picking
up
and
dropping
off
for
north
lansing
school.
The
car
park
would
be
absolutely
full
to
the
detriment
of
the
the
patrons
and
also
it
would
indeed
block
and
unable
the
staff
or
the
patrons
to
leave.
F
Understandably,
at
the
beginning,
signage
was
certainly
necessary.
However,
excess
signage
with
no
regard
to
the
conservation
area
is
not
acceptable.
The
permit,
even
if
they
were
lowered,
would
be
complete
access
to
the
car
park
as
an
eyesore,
and
I
would
ask
that
these
signs
be
totally
removed.
The
reason
for
this
is
either
side
of
the
front
door
are
two
large,
a
boards
that
clearly
state
what
visitors
to
the
millen
carter
have
to
do
on
entering
on
the
right
wall
and
to
the
left
wall
as
well.
F
There
are
yet
more
signs
large
signs
again
clearly
stating
what
the
patrons
have
to
do
on
entering
the
miller
and
carter.
There
is
a
light
up
sign
by
the
desk,
where
you
have
to
wait
before
being
seated,
and
at
that
point
the
you
have
to
give
your
registration
number
and
again
before
you
are
seated
the
the
members,
the
the
staff
they
will
ask
you
have
you
registered
or
not.
F
So
what
what's
happening
is
the
signs
even
being
lowered.
They
are
not
needed
because
there
is
an
access
of
signs
now,
and
what
I
would
ask
is
that
the
committee
please
consider
that
the
examples
I've
given
here
that
make
the
decision
to
remove
the
signs
permanently,
even
if
they
are
lowered.
Thank
you.
C
You
chair,
my
thought
is
that
absolutely
those
signs
at
the
entrance
and
also
within
the
building
will
warn
patrons
that
they
need
to
give
in
their
registration
to
avoid
getting
a
ticket.
C
It's
a
massive
charge
of
75
pounds
or
something,
but
they
would
get
no
warning
because
they
would
not
go
into
the
restaurant,
so
they
would
not
go
up
to
the
entrance
and
they
would
not
go
inside
and
see
the
signs
inside
and
and
when
they
received
their
parking
charge.
They
could
justifiably
say
well,
I
wasn't
told
about
it,
so
I
think
signs
are
required
in
this
car
park
to
tell
the
people
who
are
not
patrons
that
they
should
not
be
using
the
car
park.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
chair.
Could
we
see
the
the
slide
which
showed
what's
written
on
the
signs
that
are
at
the
entrance.
G
Okay,
that's
that's
helpful.
H
Anybody
wishing
to
park
in
a
restaurant
car
park
must
know
that
it
is
generally
for
patrons
only
and
I
think
the
sign
as
I've
seen
it
at
night
time
nobody's
going
to
be
able
to
read
it
the
print
so
small
and
it's
on
a
black
background,
and
I
also
feel
that
if
on
the
road
or
not
on
the
road
on
the
entrance
to
the
car
park,
it
was
written
car
parking
for
patrons
only.
H
That
would
serve
the
whole
thing.
In
my
opinion,
I
also
feel
that
people
who
want
to
park
in
car
park,
where
they
shouldn't
will
and
the
only
way
around
it
if
they
are
very
carefully
taking
notes
of
the
registration
numbers
of
their
diners,
then
they
should
send
a
member
of
staff
out
at
some
point
during
the
evening
checking
what
the
registration
numbers
are
and
where
there
are
cars
there.
That
shouldn't
be
there,
stick
a
label
on
their
windscreen.
H
That's
what
we
used
to
do
up
in
yorkshire,
which
is
really
mean
because
sometimes
these
labels
won't
come
off,
but
you
should
not
park
in
a
car
park
that
you're
not
able
to
park
or
shouldn't
park
in,
and
I
think
these
signs
are
just
appalling,
absolutely
appalling,
and
I
do
think
there
are
other
ways
around
it.
As
I
say,
keeping
a
careful
note
of
your
patrons
as
they
come
in
and
making
sure
at
the
entrance.
H
I
Not
a
question,
but
just
to
come
back
to
councilman.
I
agree
that
there
some
there
must
be
some
signage
in
the
car
park.
Otherwise
you
will
find
yourselves
or-
or
rather
the
proprietors
here
will
could
find
themselves
in
trouble
with
the
legal
profession
with
the
police,
because
it
could
be
then
challenged
that
there
was
no
signage.
So
I
agree
there's
far
too
much
at
the
moment.
I
It
must
be
more
discreet
and
possibly
at
the
back
where
the
actual
parking
takes
place,
but
I
think
there
must
be
minimal
signage
there,
which
warns
people
that
if
they
park
there,
then
they
will
be
liable
to
a
child.
E
Yes,
thank
you
so
they're
the
ones
that
are
either
side
of
the
the
entrance,
so
the
ones
to
be
lowered.
So
basically,
the
rule
of
thumb
is
the
white
ones
at
the
front
near
the
entrance,
the
black
ones,
the
ones
towards
the
back.
So
if
we
just
go
back
to
that
original
one
here,
so
the
white
ones
are
here
and
here
and
the
black
ones,
the
ones
at
the
back
of
the
car
park.
D
G
I
was
going
to
say
something
in
the
in
discussion.
We
usually
have
questions,
then
discussion.
So
if
I
could
just
say
yeah
say
something.
I
actually
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
counselor
mcgregor
said,
because
there
are
signs
around
the
car
park
which
say
welcome
to
miller
and
carter
lansing
guest
only
car
park.
G
Now,
if
you're
not
actually
parked
in
front
of
it,
I
think
you
could
quite
easily
say
you
weren't
aware
you
were
in
the
guest
car
park,
unfortunately,
in
all
sorts
of
places,
from
tesco
on
a
prashuram
road
through
to
many
pubs,
particularly
at
school
times,
people
park
in
anywhere
they
can
find
to
park,
and
I
think
the
I
so
I
have
great
sympathy
for
miller
and
carter,
because
I
think
they
do
need
a
sign
at
the
entrance
saying
come
a
along
the
lines
of
come
in
here
and
you
are
in
a
private
car
park.
G
D
Thank
you
me
personally.
When
I
look
at
the
signs
I
think,
being
in
a
conservation
area,
they
don't
complement
it
at
all
and
when
you've
got
an
area
that
everybody's
trying
to
keep
in
keeping
then
they're
completely
wrong
for
the
area.
Obviously,
you're
right,
you
need
signs
to
keep
give
people
notice
that
there's
a
a
problem
there,
but
personally,
I
think
they
could
be
a
little
bit
more
complimenting
yeah.
I
Just
another
little
comment:
I
am
a
bit
concerned
that,
in
fact
with
this
is
a
retrospective
application
and
I'm
always
concerned
when
people
actually
put
up
signs
without
permission.
So
I
think
miller
and
carter.
There
is
something
to
answer
here
as
to
why
they
haven't
approached
this
committee
before
to
ask
about
these
signs.
It's
that
that's
only
a
comment,
but
but
definitely-
and
I
agree
that
those
signs
where
you
have
the
the
back
onto
where
the
backs
of
the
signs
are
on
the
street.
Yes,
totally
unacceptable
in
the
conservation
area.
D
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
other
people
cancel
a
funnel.
K
Yes,
I
think
the
assignment
really
just
to
me
is
the
entrance
signs
that
I
find
you
know
very
difficult
to
contend
with
it's
so
you
know
sort
of
so
bold
and
outstanding
off.
He
seems
to
take
over
the
area.
I
think
if
something
could
be
a
bit
more
discreet
there.
C
I
agree
with
councillor
funnel
and
what
what
I
think
is
that
we
should
not
be
approving
this
application
tonight
because,
of
course,
we're
approving
the
sign
that,
although
it's
going
to
be
lowered,
we
are
approving
a
sign
that
was
put
up
without
planning
permission,
and
I
believe
that
we
should
defer
this
application
to
give
the
applicant
a
chance
to
come
up
with
a
proposal
for
signs
at
the
entrance
which
are
more
sympathetic
to
the
conservation
area.
We
do
still
need
signs,
I
think,
or
they
do
still
need
signs.
C
I
ate
there
recently
and
they
were
on
the
microphone
set.
Giving
out
a
registration
number
saying
is
this
anybody's
car?
Well,
they
gave
out
two
registrations.
One
was:
is
this
anybody's
car
because
you've
not
registered
with
us
another
one
was:
is
this
anybody's
car
because
someone's
left
the
handbrake
off
and
it's
rolled
into
the
middle
of
the
car
park?
C
E
Check,
yes,
certainly
you
can
ask
for
the
application
to
be
deferred.
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
is
the
process
that
the
officers
have
been
through
already.
Hence
the
amendments
and
the
removals
of
some
of
the
signs
that
are
on
here,
so
whether
the
committee
will
will
sort
of
garner
more
weight
with
the
the
applicants.
That
has
been
the
case
so
far.
I
don't
know,
but
of
course
it
was
deferred.
E
It
has
to
come
back
anyway
to
see
if
there
is
a
potential
solution,
but
I
think
that,
yes,
to
some
extent,
officers
have
probably
been
through
already
the
process
that
the
committee
have
almost
spoken
about
tonight
in
recognizing.
There
was
a
need
for
the
signs,
but
considering
there
were
too
many
and
some
of
them
in
the
wrong
place,
and
some
of
them
were
too
high,
and
hence
we
have
an
amended
proposal
before
you
now
which
members
are
entitled
to
to
vote
on
either
way.
E
But
if
you
feel
that
doesn't
go
far
enough,
then
certainly
you
can
either
defer
or
indeed
refuse
application.
But
if
members
felt
that
a
deferral
to
give
the
applicants
a
chance
in
the
sense
of
recognizing
their
need
for
signage
but
saying
you
haven't
quite
got
it
right
at
this
stage,
certainly
that's
a
an
option
available
to
the
committee.
Indeed,.
D
G
I
would
just
say
that
I
would
agree
with
the
with
the
officers
taking
on
board
that
it
needs
to
be
assigned
more
sympathetic
to
the
conservation
area
and
also,
I
think,
smaller.
J
Yeah,
I
just
really
wanted
to
ask
question
of
officers
whether
there
are
whether
is
there
precedent
of
because
the
trouble
is
there
seems
to
be
a
balance
between
you
need
signs
that
are
clearly
visible,
that
give
people
a
clear
message.
There
are
parking
controls
here
in
order
to
give
those
credibility
and
and
for
people
not
to
mistakenly
park
there,
but
at
the
same
time
you
want
something:
that's
subtle
and
in
keeping
and
not
too
noticeable,
and
they
seem
slightly
contradictory.
J
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
the
view
that
that
it
needs
to
be
in
keeping
with
a
a
beautiful
local
area,
but
I
just
wonder
if
there's
any
press
are
there
other
places
in
in
the
district
that
you've
come
across
this
problem
between
having
signage
that
needs
to
be
visible
yet
more
in
keeping
with
the
local
infrastructure.
E
Not
I
can
think
of
in
the
district.
I
think
this
one's
unusual,
because
it's
so
centrally
located
within
a
conservation
area,
whereas
perhaps
most
most
parts
and
restaurants
were
probably
outside
of
the
conservation
area
and
therefore
the
controls
on
the
signage
or
less
I
mean
it
is
a
balance
I
mean
in
many
ways
the
committee's
primary
concern
is
conservation
area
and
the
fact
that
whether
you
can
read
a
sign
or
or
not
is
a
sort
of
a
secondary
thing,
because
our
statutory
duty
is
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
conservation
area
where
possible.
E
I
I
think
that,
for
example,
just
putting
these
these
signs
up
and
hearing
members
concerns
about
the
one
at
the
front.
For
example,
I
can't
believe
there
probably
isn't
a
better
way
of
doing
that
in
terms
of
assigning
the
conservation
area,
because
often
you'll
see
it's
not
quite
the
same,
but
if
you
go
into
a
shop
front
either
in
the
middle
of
chichester
or
somewhere,
you'll
see
that
sometimes
corporate
signage
is
often
toned
down
for
certain
organizations.
You
won't
see
the
normal
sign
because
of
where
they
are
so
they
change
it.
E
So
it's
more
subtle
and
things
like
that
and
less
less
brash.
So
in
that
respect
you
might
say:
well,
there
are
various
ways
of
writing
guests
only
camera
controlled
on
the
sign
and
that
sign
there,
one
where
the
curse
is
at
the
moment
I
mean
that
that
could
be
anywhere
couldn't
then
it
could
be
in
a
in
a
car
park.
E
You
know
anywhere
in
in
the
district,
so
you
know
in
in
that
respect.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
unreasonable
for
members
to
say
well,
look
we're
recognizing
a
principle
of
signage,
but
remembering
where
you
are,
this
could
be
improved
upon
and
be
something
that
meets
both
aims
of
ensuring
people
that
park
legally,
but
not
in
a
way
that
that
adversely
affects
the
conservation
area.
C
C
C
A
E
You,
yes
thank
you,
chair
item
two
again,
there's
nothing
further
to
add
to
the
report,
so
I
can
go
straight
into
the
presentation.
This
application
is
before
members
because
of
the
size
of
the
building
being
over
1
000
square
meters.
That
constitutes
a
major
application
and
all
major
applications
of
this
size
are
automatically
brought
to
committee,
irrespective
of
any
representations
that
are
received,
so
the
application
site
is
where
the
arrow
is.
E
It
extends
back
to
just
where
the
cursor
is
at
the
moment
so
present,
there's
a
frontage
building
a
courtyard
and
a
warehouse
building
behind
it.
So
that's
the
application
site,
that's
looking
in
a
westerly
direction
and
then
the
red
edged
area
here
shows
the
extent
of
the
site
itself.
Commerce
way
it's
on
the
right
hand,
side
here,
front
of
the
existing
building
is
where
the
cursor
is,
and
that's
the
extent
of
the
application
site
at
present-
and
this
is
the
proposed
building
I'll,
show
some
photographs
in
a
moment.
E
This
is
a
more
modern
appearing
building
on
an
industrial
state.
It
is
clearly
taller
than
the
existing
one,
but
there
is
a
building
I'll
show
at
the
moment.
In
a
moment
to
the
north,
which
is
of
a
similar
height,
the
buildings
behind
wilson,
peter's
place
to
the
west
are
lower,
but
they
face
west
themselves
and
essentially
they'll
be
backing
on
to
each
other
here.
E
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
building
would
have
it's
its
windows
and
features
at
the
front
where
the
more
office
element
is
located
and
then
the
warehouse
element
towards
the
back
shown
here.
So
that's
the
larger
part,
the
taller
part
towards
the
the
rear
there
again
we
have
a
profile
here,
as
you
can
see,
number
six.
This
is
a
itself.
A
relatively
recent
building
is
to
the
right
here
and
that's
of
a
similar
scale,
and
we
can
see
from
ridge
height
here
where
the
cursor
is
the
the
maximum
point.
E
There
not
a
particular
difference
in
the
the
main
ridge
heights
at
that
point
against
a
small
floor
plan.
So
that's
the
ground
floor
with
the
with
the
warehouse
towards
the
back,
and
there
is
a
void
over
the
warehouse
at
the
first
floor
level
of
a
further
office
in
the
front
corner.
E
A
couple
of
sections,
therefore,
again
that's
for
the
heights
of
the
the
users
there
because
of
the
storage
elements
within
and
that's
more
of
a
3d
picture,
just
showing
the
extent
of
the
building
there.
One
thing
about
this
is
it's
set
back
further
from
commerce
way
than
the
existing
building
is
at
present,
so
there
is
the
existing
building,
perhaps
partly
of
it
of
its
time
somewhat.
That's
looking
in
a
in
a
westerly
direction,
and
then
this
more
recent
building,
just
immediately
to
the
north
and
again
stepping
further
back
down
the
road.
E
These
buildings
here
to
the
the
south
are
lower.
That's
the
existing
building
to
the
rear
of
the
application
site
has
a
relatively
modern
frontage,
but
actually
behind
it
is
its
previous
age.
Still
you
can
see
here.
Front
is
appears
to
be
newer,
but
that
back
part
is
quite
old
and
that
perhaps
is
a
rather
wasted
courtyard
area
in
between
on
this
state,
that's
within
the
site
itself,
so
that's
the
frontage
courtyard
and
the
existing
warehouse
building
to
the
back.
E
A
A
Are
there
any
questions
at
all?
It's
clear
to
everybody.
I
mean
there
are
no
speakers
on
this,
so
we
can
go
straight
to
debate
if
there
are
no
questions
that
anybody
would
like
clarified
from
gary
peck
at
all.
No,
in
that
case,
we'll
go
straight
to
debate.
Does
anybody
would
like
to
open
up
the
debate
on
this
application.
J
Yes,
just
two
comments
really
one
is.
I
was
rather
vociferous
at
the
last
committee
about
some
storage
units
being
built
in
what
I
felt
was
an
inappropriate
area.
I
think
this
is
just
a
very
good
example
of
storage
units
being
built
in
a
very
appropriate
area,
so
just
that
I'd
welcome
that
and
this
for
me
this
seems
to
be
a
a
much
more
suitable
and
well
thought
out
application.
J
The
other
point
I'd
make
is
is
kind
of
specific
to
this,
but
more
general
in
there
are
clearly
some
drainage
issues
to
be
sorted
out
in
this
application.
I
note
the
concerns
expressed
about
drainage
and
it
seems
that
the
applicant
has
has
moved
in
a
certain
way
such
that
a
lot
of
those
have
been
mitigated,
but
there
aren't
conditions
around
drainage
and
the
drainage
plan,
which
again,
I'm
I'm
happy
for
that
those
to
be
included
and
for
officers
to
look
at
those
plans
when
they
come
to
light.
J
But
I
suppose
my
more
general
point
is
just
when
we
know
there
are
areas
with
groundwater.
Drainage
issues
is
whether
there's
some
way
those
plans
could
be
more
advanced
in
other
applications
when
they
come
to
committee,
because
it,
it
is,
is
quite
a
substantial
issue
with
this
particular
area
and
other
areas
where
there
are
drainage
and
flood
and
groundwater
flooding
issues
and
just
whether
there's
any
any
way
in
future
applications
to
to
bring
those
plans
further
forward.
When
it
actually
comes
to
committee.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
I
think
that,
firstly,
where
drainage
is
concerned,
ultimately
there
will
always
be
a
reliance
on
conditions,
because
a
lot
of
it
won't
come
forward
until
they
actually
start
groundworks
and
and
so
on,
so
you're
going
to
get
so
far.
I
I
think
what
I
will
say
is
that
to
give
members
some
reassurance,
I
think
you
can
probably
see
in
in
the
comments
how
the
progress
the
application
was.
E
There
was
originally
an
objection
from
the
technical
services
department
and
eventually
they
withdrawn
that
I
might
say-
and
I'm
sure,
if
some
other
applicants
in
the
district
at
the
moment
were
listening
to
this,
they
would
say
that
must
mean
it
is
quite
advanced
if
you've
got
the
technical
services
officer
to
withdraw
their
objection,
because
it
is
a
recognition
in
the
district.
Now
that
we
do
have
a
problem,
especially
in
in
lansing,
I
might
say
where.
E
Actually
at
the
moment,
a
a
large
majority
of
our
applications
are
coming
through
raising
objections
straight
away,
for
the
very
reason
that
that
you
suggest
counselor
is
that
there
isn't
sufficient
information
at
the
start,
so
it
actually.
If
we
get
to
this
point,
we
can
recommend
approval.
That
does
mean
it
is
quite
far
advanced,
but
there
is
a
a
limit
to
how
much
we
can
do,
because
some
of
it
is
reliant
on
the
works
actually
starting.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
point
I
think
I
can
probably
say
from
my
experience.
E
C
Thank
you.
I
know
this
location
very
well,
because
I
rented
a
unit
next
door.
The
ivy's
grown
a
bit.
Yes,
the
one
on
the
left
there,
or
just
behind
that
and
the
one
next
door
to
that
as
well.
After
when
I,
when
I
expanded
the
one
thing
that
I
have
to
say,
is
reading
through
this
application,
five
cycle
spaces
that
doesn't
sound
like
enough.
C
I
don't
know
what
other
people
think,
but
it
for
offices.
There
are
obviously
a
quite
a
large
number
of
staff,
but
it
says
here
a
cycle
parking
shelter
for
five
spaces
will
also
be
provided
to
the
north
of
the
site,
and
I
wonder
why
it's
such
a
low
number.
Perhaps
you
can,
let
us
know
it's
on
page
13..
Thank
you.
E
That
would
be
to
the
county
council's
standards.
Ordinarily,
members
can
can
clearly
look
at
that.
I
mean,
as
I
don't
know,
what
the
cycle
provision
is
at
the
moment
on
existing
one,
but
the
photos
there.
I
just
probably
see
a
bike
there.
I
think
there's
one
against
a
lamppost
or
something
as
well.
It
is
something
that
can
look
at
I
mean
I
would
think
normally
that
going
back
to
the
layouts
of
the
site.
If
we
have
that
it
says
that
it
more
exists,
informal
cycle
parking
can
can
take
place.
E
I
mean
people
like
me,
would
sometimes
will
it
into
a
building,
which
is
what
I
used
to
do
in
the
town
hall
rather
than
use
the
cycle
racks,
so
it
can
be
fairly
informal.
I
think
that
I
can't
say
from
personal
experiences.
Our
depot
is
down
there.
The
commerce
way.
Isn't
my
favorite
place
to
ride
a
bike,
but
in
a
sense
it
would
need
to
meet
council
council
standards,
which
it
does
we
could
put
that
to
the
applicant.
E
I
think
I'd
suggest
probably
giving
the
wider
benefits
of
the
scheme
isn't
something
necessary
should
hold
up
an
application,
but
certainly
we
can
pass
that
on.
As
members
for
saying,
can
you
look
at
a
bit
more?
E
We
can
certainly
add
that
as
an
informative
to
the
to
any
decision,
that's
made.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
the
new
building
complements
considering
the
one
that
was
there
previously
is
basically
an
eyesore
now,
and
I
think
the
area
is
like
popular
with
businesses
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
start
putting
in
better
looking
buildings
and
stuff
like
that,
it's
only
going
to
be
better
for
the
area.
I
think
I
think
it
looks
good
and
I
I
would
be
happy
to
propose
a
motion.
I
I
Yes,
I'm
fine
with
having
no
restrictions
on
the
opening
hours
of
the
company
that
actually
want
to
take
this
on,
but
I
would
be
a
bit
concerned
if
we
were
to
give
the
demolition
company
carp
lunch
to,
as
at
0.7
any
temporary
exception
to
these
working
hours.
She'll
be
agreed
in
writing.
Well,
you
know
they
could
they
could
make
an
exception
quite
regularly
if
they
wanted
to.
I
If
we
grant
this
with
this
clause
in
place-
and
I
would
have
thought
that,
when
you're
talking
about
construction
and
demolition
of
of
of
a
building,
I
think
we
do
have
to
have
regard
to
the
people
that
live
around
this
site
and
therefore
I
would
actually
like
to
see
that
clause
removed
so
that
actually
any
demolition
or
construction
of
the
site
is
that
they
actually
have
to
stick
to
those
those
hours
that
are
shown
here
at
clause.
Seven.
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
I
don't
see
a
particular
problem
that
it
is
standard
condition
that
we
use
perhaps
generally
for
bigger
developments,
that's
a
sort
of
wording
that
was
used
in
the
tidal
walls,
for
example,
where
they
would
come
along
and
say
we
have
a
specific
bit
of
work.
We
need
to
do
it
such
and
such
a
time
that
will
last
you
know
two
hours
if
we
only
get
something
down
the
river
at
this
time
that
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I
suspect
in
this
one.
E
What
I
will
do
is
say
is
that,
where
temporary
exceptions
come
in
quite
consistently
during
a
a
construction
phase,
that's
when
we
tend
to
get
a
bit
suspicious,
normally
they're,
one-off
events,
but
if
members
felt
more
comfortable
with
that
sentence
been
deleted.
I
don't
see
a
particular
issue
with
that.
L
L
Why
not
have
them
on
both
sides,
as
the
pitch
isn't
surely
going
to
prohibit
that?
Thank
you.
E
I
think
we
have
going
by
the
roof
plan.
Here
looks
like
the
boat
on
on
both
sides.
I
think
members
of
the
committee
who
have
been
around
a
few
more
years
or
remember
this,
used
to
come
up
quite
a
lot
in
commerce
by
previous
members
of
the
committee
always
asking
for
solar
panels
when
they
weren't
on
at
all
again,
that's
something
we
can.
E
We
can
request
it
has
we
have
done
that
in
the
past,
just
to
say
that
that
that
we
certainly
welcome
the
opportunity
to
provide,
as
many
as
we
can.
I
think
I
said
my
presentation.
E
In
actual
fact,
it's
so
much
their
credit
that
they
can
afford
this
in
the
first
place,
because
there
are
certain
businesses
on
commerce
way
or
in
the
wider
industrial
state
that
didn't
at
all
and
had
to
be
coerced.
So
we
do
have
them
on
both
sides
there,
but
again
that's
something
we
can.
We
can
put
forward,
along
with
council
mcgregor's
point
about
the
cycle
parking
so
that
if
there
are
any
further
opportunities
that
that's
something
we
could
agree
under
condition
if
necessary,
that
that
wouldn't
need
to
come
back.
So
we
can.
L
I'm
just
looking
at
the
the
picture
behind
where
they're
clearly
only
on
one
side.
Surely
so
is
that?
Oh,
I
see
sorry,
that's
fine.
A
A
That
is
the
last
of
the
planning
applications
this
evening,
and
so
now
we
will
go
for
the
members
just
to
note,
and
this
will
be
talk
through
with
us
with
the
principal
planning
officer
chris
jones,
and
this
is
on
the
conservation
area,
character,
appraisal,
reviews,
report
and
I
hand
you
over
to
chris.
Thank
you
chris.
M
Thank
you
chair.
Before
I
begin.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
typos
in
the
report
which
I
do
apologize
for
page
29.
There
is
an
error
that
states
that
there
were
zero
representations
on
the
old
showroom,
character,
appraisal.
There
were
actually
five
and
on
page
30
and
there's
a
reference
to
74
ada
close
there
should
be
74
ada
avenue.
M
M
M
M
Documents
were
available
here
at
portland
house
and
libraries
within
the
district
site
notices
placed
at
several
locations
within
each
conservation
area,
an
online
public
meeting
held
in
december
and
advertised
through
local
press,
london
gazette
and
through
the
council's
website
and
social
media
channels,
and
just
to
talk
to
you.
The
main
sort
of
issue
that
came
up
in
the
representations
were
around
boundary
changes
and
we
did
receive
a
representation
in
support
of
removal
of
the
transmitter
mast
site.
M
There
were
no
representations.
This
is
for
kingston
booster,
of
course,
for
the
areas
on
st
julian's
lane
that
were
proposed
and,
however,
the
majority
of
representations
were
from
residents
of
spindles
grove
who
were
objecting
to
the
removal
of
of
that
road
from
the
the
conservation
area
and
the
character
appraisal,
just
sort
of
set
out
why
that
area
was
proposed
for
removal
and
it's
relating
to
the
character
of
the
conservation
area
as
a
whole,
which
is
around
the
the
old
manor
house.
M
Now
shawram
college,
the
st
julian's
church
and
the
associated
buildings
that
really
sort
of
reflect
the
the
the
historic
character
of
the
area
and
spindles
grove
is
perhaps
something
of
an
anomaly
in
that
it
was
as
granted
planning
permission.
The
conservation
area
was
designated
in
in
the
the
1980s.
M
M
And
for
that
reason,
and
having
sort
of
gone
back
to
the
consultant
that
we
appointed
to
carry
out
the
appraisals
and
the
recommendation
to
the
executive
member
is
that
the
the
boundary
change
remains
in
place
and
that
spindles
group
growth
is
removed
from
that
and
the
the
arguments
sort
of
made
in
the
representations
for
the
most
part
did
not
relate
to
planning
matters
or
to
matters
of
conservation
or
heritage,
but
rather
to
the
buying
and
selling
of
properties
and
the
the
overall
appeal
of
the
area.
M
M
M
So
the
the
mature
historic
trees
of
value
are
protected
and
so
would
remain
protected
even
with
the
removal
of
that
area
from
from
the
conservation
area
and
moving
on
briefly
onto
old
shoreham.
So
I
said
there
were
five
representations
on
the
conservation
area
carriage
appraisal.
M
None
for
this
area
on
the
article
four
direction.
The
red
areas
are
proposed
for
removal,
and
you
can
see
here.
The
the
old
toll
bridge
was
proposed
for
being
added
to
the
conservation
area.
M
One
boundary
change
that
sorry
I'll
just
come
to
this
one,
a
boundary
change
that
that
we
did
receive
objection
to
was
the
74
and
ada
avenue,
which
is
here
on
the
corner
of
the
street,
and
this
was
due
to
the
the
the
the
boundary
along
here.
That
obviously
does
have
a
number
of
trees,
a
lot
of
vegetation
along
there
and
as
a
result
of
the
the
representation.
M
M
There
was
support
for
inclusion
of
the
toll
bridge
and
for
inclusion
of
identification
of
areas
of
poor
public
realm.
We
were
asked
whether
that
therefore
means
a
requirement
to
to
make
improvements
to
those,
of
course,
the
conservation
area,
the
the
character
appraisal,
is
a
tool
for
identifying
issues.
It's
it's
not
necessarily
the
the
mechanism
for
solving
them.
M
However,
if
a
public
realm
scheme
were
to
take
place
see
this
is
example
outside
outside
the
pub
but
there's
obviously
a
mixed
mix
of
land
ownership
there
between
the
highways
authority
and
and
the
pub
itself.
So
it's
not
necessarily
that
there
is
a
providing
a
solution,
but
just
identifying
that
that
is
an
issue.
M
There
are
also
representations
around
the
sort
of
loss
of
sort
of
sort
of
verge
areas
for
putting
in
driveways
and,
of
course,
that's
a
matter.
The
the
crossovers
of
highway
land
are
a
matter
for
the
county
council
rather
than
us
as
a
district
and,
however,
with
the
updated
character
appraisal,
they
should
sort
of
take
that
into
account
when,
when
looking
at
that,
there
was
one
particular
site.
M
I
wanted
to
draw
attention
to
it's
outside
the
the
conservation
area
itself,
but
historic
england
strongly
supported
the
identification
of
open
space
in
the
area
and
that
you
know
is
important
to
the
to
the
setting
of
the
conservation
area
as
a
whole.
For
the
this
is
the
the
site
between
stenning
road
and
the
river,
so
just
slightly
to
the
north
of
st
nicholas
church,
and
we
also
received
representation
from
the
owner
of
that
site
and
suggesting
that
it
only
makes
a
modest
contribution.
M
M
Similarly,
just
to
the
the
north
of
here,
the
land
behind
mill
hill
has
been
included
in
the
updated
character
appraisal
as
another
site
of
open
space.
That's
important
to
the
setting
of
the
conservation
area,
and
so
that
brings
me
to
the
end
of
my
presentation,
though
the
recommendation
is
here,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
A
Thank
you
very
much
chris.
Can
I
just
ask
at
the
beginning
just
so
members
are
aware
this
one
is
just
on
kingston,
buchi
and
old
shoreham,
but
you
will
be
bringing
each
different
area
to
here.
Won't
you.
M
A
yes,
so
we
have
actually
the
same
consultant
also
carries
out
reviews
for
north
lansing
and
something
that
you
know
those
two
plus
kingston,
boosie
and
old
shoreham
had
not
been
reviewed
for
several
decades.
So
there
was
the
most
pressing
need
north
lansing
and
something
conservation
areas
extend
into
the
national
park
and
it's
proven
rather
time
consuming
due
to
a
staff
shortage
in
at
the
national
park
authority,
and
we
have
now
been
engaging
with
them
over
that
and
will
in
you
know,
we're
working
through
that
process.
A
I
You
chair
regarding
spindles
grove.
I
M
I
B
I
Failing
to
find
the
logic
here
that
we're
saying
that
spinoz
grove
should
be
taken
out,
was
it
33
years
after
they
were
built
and
yet
that
pre
previous
appraisal
was
okay
with
it.
Okay,
things
may
have
moved,
but
I
find
it
a
bit
worrying
this.
This
sentence
here
at
210,
page
29,
that
conservation
area
should
only
include
buildings
and
features
which
have
special
historical,
architectural
significance.
The
inclusion
of
areas
which
do
not
relate
to
these
undermine
the
purpose.
I
mean
that
does
sound
rather
subjective
to
me.
I
I
live
I'm
fortunate
enough
to
live
in
a
conservation
area,
not
not
this
conservation
area,
but
in
a
conservation
area,
and
there
are
many
houses
in
my
road
which
are
modern
but
they're,
all
included
in
the
conservation
area.
I
So
if
we're
going
to
start
picking
out
houses
that
fit
don't
fit
these
this
particular
these
particular
criteria,
I
think
we
might
be
running
ourselves
into
trouble.
The
other
thing
is
that
spindle's
grove
does
sit,
as
you
know,
between
kingston
bouquet
and
the
southwest
conservation
area.
So
you
would
you've.
You've
got
the
the
croquet
club
and
you've
got
the
tennis
club
to
the
south,
but
you've
got
immediately
opposite.
Spinels
grove
you've
got
the
southwark
conservation
area,
so
you're
actually
isolating
spindles
grove,
and
I
find
that
a
bit
disturbing.
I
So
therefore,
I
do
understand
why
you
have
so
many
objections.
I
think
there
are
only
11
or
12
houses
in
spindle's
grove
and
I
think
you've
had
objections
from
five
of
them,
which
is
a
fair
percentage
of
them.
So
I
would
be
saying
perhaps
it
is
time
we
listen
to
those
residents
and
because
they
perhaps
just
don't
want
to
be
isolated.
I
know
that
there
are
conditions
and
there
are
restrictions
that
come
with
living
in
a
conservation
area.
I
M
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
the
the
the
sentence,
the
inclusion
of
areas
which
do
not
relate
to
the
historical
architectural
significance,
that's
actually
a
direct
quote
from
historic
england
guidance.
So,
unfortunately,
there's
not
a
lot
that
we
can.
You
know
that
that
is
the
statutory
guidance
for
conservation
areas,
and
I
do
sort
of
understand
the
point
that
I
mean.
It
is,
of
course,
between
the
the
the
south
wick
southwark,
green
and
kingston
boosie.
M
A
I
M
I
The
fact
that
there
are
many
many
parts
of
any
conservation
area
where
you
do
have
a
lot
of
mixed
housing,
you've
got.
You
know
absolutely
brand
new
right
next
to
quite
older
buildings,
which
are
obviously
the
ones
that
were
why
the
why
the
conservation
area
was
formed
in
the
first
place,
because
they
are
the
more
the
older
ones,
but
nevertheless,
you
find
very
few
places
that
have
something
thanks.
Thank
you.
C
I
suppose
the
question
I
have
is
relating
to
spindles
growth
in
practical
terms.
What
difference
would
it
make
if
they
were
either
included
or
not
included
within
the
conservation
area,
as
they
are
such
new
properties?
Thank
you.
M
M
M
So
that's
the
main
difference,
of
course,
because
it
is,
you
know,
bounded
by
kingston
boosie
on
one
side
and
southwood
conservation
area
on
on
another.
It
is
still
within
the
setting
of
those
conservation
areas
so
therefore
planning
applications.
There
would
need
to
take
account
of
the
setting.
G
Thank
you.
Actually,
I
think
chris
may
have
magically
just
answered
the
question
before
I
asked
it,
because
these
proposals
around
taking
certain
sites
out
and
in
some
cases
taking
individual
buildings
out,
were
they
to
be
removed
from
the
conservation
areas
and
later
on,
someone
comes
along
with
a
dramatic
planning
application.
M
Yes,
so
when
assessing
a
planning
application
that
is
adjacent
or
so
one
of
the
considerations
is
the
setting
of
the
conservation
area
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
conservation
area
and
itself.
E
Yes,
that's
exactly
right,
so
that
that
setting
is
important.
That's
still
a
duty
that
we
have
as
as
officers
and
as
a
committee.
If
an
application
comes
in,
it
is,
for
example,
across
the
road
from
the
conservation
area.
The
fact
that
it's
the
wrong
side,
the
boundary
doesn't
mean
it's
a
black
and
white
situation.
You
still
have
to
take
into
account
that
proximity.
So
that's
exactly
right.
As
chris
has
said,.