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B
Okay,
hello:
everyone
welcome
to.
B
Wednesday
september
2nd
caucus
at
albany
common
council
for
the
record
council
members
anane
with
a
smiling
face
johnson
hoey,
ballerin
fahey,
o'brien.
B
Conte
love
I
get
flynn
already
also
deutsche
are
currently
present,
along
with
our
staff,
michelle
andre
danielle,
gillespie
and
j.r
richardo.
We
also
have
corp
council,
brett
williams
here
and
mr
robinson
is
also
present.
Currently
so
we'll
get
started.
We
also
have
guests
w
chief,
edward
donahue
and
leah
goldby
from
albany
police
department
here
with
us.
Also
we'll
go
through
the
agenda
first
get
through
that,
then
we'll
we'll
hear
from
the
good
folks
the
presentation
and
then
we'll
discuss
the
the
skyway.
B
The
skyway
comes
up
earlier
as
resolution
77,
but
we're
just
gonna
kind
of
just
set
a
placeholder
move
on
get
through
the
rest
and
we'll
go
back
to
it.
So
first
on
the
agenda
would
be
the
public
hearing
before
ordinance,
10,
61
20.,
that's
miss
loves,
then
moving
down
to
approval
of
minutes
from
previous
meeting
I'll
have
the
meeting
minutes
from
our
august
17th
meeting
off
of
the
offer
notes
for
approval
and
to
be
moved.
B
Okay,
moving
on
to
consideration
of
ordinances,
we'll
have
ordinance
17,
91,
20
r
by
council
members
holy
and
o'brien,
and
that
will
be
going
to
the
planning
committee.
They'll
be
referred
to
planning
dude.
D
D
This
is
what
is
it
every
title,
she'll
briefly
state
the
subject
thereof
and
we
haven't
been
do
there's.
These
two
are
indications.
D
For
example,
the
one
on
1791-20
just
indicates
what
sections
are
being
amended
does
not
indicate
what
the
the
subject
is
same
thing
with
the
one
next
one
related
to
hoffman
park
and
the
reason
we
put
the
topic
in
the
title
for
transparency
so
that
when
people
the
public
looks
at
the
agenda,
they
know
what
the
ordinance
or
resolution
is
doing
without
the
need
to
having
to
look
at
that,
and
so
we
really
need
to
get
back
to
that
same
issue
with
the
the
ordinance
related
to
the
76
project,
night
of
the
ordinance
or
the
seeker
resolution.
D
D
Our
former
colleague
mark
robinson
was
very
big
on
this,
so
hopefully
we
can
get
back
to
putting
updating
our
titles
so
that
they
reflect
the
topics.
This
just
a
an
observation.
B
Okay,
thank
you
richard
mr
richardo
and
mr
williams.
You
guys
make
a
note
of
that
and
remember
to
go
back
to
the
the
old
naming
convention,
and
you
know
include
that
information
in
the
in
the
titles.
Please.
B
Okay
and
yeah,
it
would
help
me
also
because
when
I
read
try
to
read
through
this
stuff,
I
try
to
give
members
that
haven't
seen
it
a
quick
idea
of
what
it
what
it
is.
So
that's
helpful
with
that.
So
thank
you
richard
for
that,
so
ordinance,
17,
91
20
is
going
to
point
it's
going
to
be
referred
to
planning,
okay,
next
ordinance
by
miss
frederick
ordinance.
D
Okay,
I'm
sorry
can
I
ask
another
question
about
that:
the
1791-20
is
that
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
public
hearing
or
not.
E
D
E
D
F
Yeah
and
for
for
the
record
councilmember
brian,
I
think
that
was
amy
who
made
those
specific
statements.
Okay,
any
event
richard
I
I
will
check
on
that
and
get
back
to
everyone.
D
E
B
Okay,
so
back
to
18
ordinance,
18
91
20
by
miss
frederick
that'll,
be
a
referral
with
parks
and
rec.
B
G
B
Next,
on
to
ordinances
hell,
this
loves
ordinance,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
hearing
1061
20.
That
will
be
a
pass
attending
the
outcome
of
the
public
hearing
for
that.
Okay,.
B
Next,
on
to
consideration
of
resolutions,
we'll
have
council
member
faye
on
behalf
of
planning
committee
resolution,
76
9120r
resolution
of
the
common
council
reappointing
daniel
kirk
david
off
as
a
member
of
sustainability
committee.
B
Michelle
can
you
just
make
arrangements
to
have
him
pop
pop
in
and
talk
to,
because
I
kathy
would
you
what
rather
have
him
go
to
the
committee?
Or
would
it
be
suffice
for
him
to
talk
to
us
at
a
caucus?
That's
that's
what
we
did
with
the
last.
I
C
I'll
ask
him
to
come
for
the
september
16
530
caucus.
B
Thank
you,
michelle,
okay,
next
on
to
resolution,
this
will
be
by
finding
the
answer:
miss
farrell,
77,
91
20r.
This
is
the
the
subject
of
the
skyway.
So
we'll
we'll
stick
up
in
that
and
come
back
to
it.
The
intention
was
to
go
to
finance
the
administration
and
the
mayor's
office
would
like
to
see
it
move
forward.
I
think
it's
I
believe
it's
time
sensitive,
so
we
can
discuss
that
just
hold
that
thought.
Okay.
B
So
next
moving
on
to
resolution,
78
91
20r
by.
J
B
B
B
B
J
B
B
I
and
I
agree
with
you
judy
we
were
having
we
had
discussions,
we
talked
about
the
leadership
and
it
kind
of
came.
You
know
we
talked
about
it,
but
the
actual
documents
came
late,
and
so
that's
I'm
figuring.
That's
how
it
didn't
end
up
on
the
active
calendar.
B
Okay,
all
right
so
resolution
78
9120r
by
miss
ballard
and
miss
frederick
youtube
either
of
the
sponsors
want
to
comment
on
on
the
resolution.
It's
gonna
be
a
pass.
So
would
you
like
to
speak.
G
Okay,
so
this
resolution
is
a
way
to
officially
honor
hispanic
heritage
month
in
the
city
of
albany.
We
have
a
large
hispanic
population
here
we
want
to
show
that
we
are,
you
know,
send
this
message
out
the
way
we
honor
them.
We
represent
them
and
we're
here
to
support
them
and
yeah.
B
B
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
that
that'll
be
a
pass.
All
members
want
to
be
co-sponsors.
So
can
we
include
everyone?
Yes?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
all
co-sponsors!
Okay!
Next
by
councilmember
farrell
resolution,
honoring
congratulating
st
rose
on
their
hundredth
year.
Do
you
wanna?
B
M
No,
I
it's
we're
fortunate
to
have
saint
rose
in
our
city
and
in
my
ward
and
in
councilman
and
I's
ward
for
100
years
now,
so
hopefully
it
will
be
way
longer.
They.
We
appreciate
a
lot
all
that
they
do.
B
N
About
saint
rose,
if
I
could.
M
N
Yeah
saint
rose
is
the
holder
of
that
field.
When
the
phil
was
trapped,
when
the
fields
of
whitehall
was
transferred
over
to
saint
rose,
there
was
a
lot
of
handshake
agreements
concerning
albany
pop
warner
football
that
saint
rose
isn't
holding
up
to.
So
you
know
I've
reached
out
to
the
president
of
the
college
as
well
as
the
athletic
director
and
haven't
gotten
a
return
call,
but
I
think
that
advocation
should
be
for
that
football
program.
N
That
was
there
way
before
the
transfer
of
ownership,
and
it
was
transferred
with
the
idea
that
that
football
league
wouldn't
lose
any
of
its
perks
that
they
had
and
from
what
I'm
hearing
there's
a
lot
of
inconsistencies
over
there.
So
we
would
appreciate.
M
N
M
Love
is
if
we
could
focus
on
the
celebration
of
the
hundred
years,
if
that
sounds
like
an
important
thing
as
well,
that
is
kind
of
a
different
issue
than
this
resolution.
N
Well,
I'm
just
pointing
out
that
we
are
celebrating,
you
know,
institutions
that
are
you
know
not
always
supporting
our
city
and
and
that's
important
as
well.
I
think.
M
E
O
Oh
also
derek,
I
would
set
up
a
meeting
between
the
government
affairs
person
and
yourself,
so
you
could
share
your
sentiment
with
them.
Stay
tuned.
P
B
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you!
Thank
you
again,
everyone,
except
for
mr
johnson,
okay,
next
resolution,
80
91
20r
by
mr
nani,
which
you
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
It's
going
to
be
up
for
passage
on
at
our
meeting,
mr
mac.
O
Yeah,
it's
self-explanatory.
Just
calling
the
congress
to
provide
national
funding
for
the
current
violence.
Like
many
urban
cities,
we
have
seen
an
uptick
in
violence
that
is
not
unique
to
the
city
of
albany
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
we
take
in
consideration
to
how
many
cuts
are
being
made.
As
relates
to
you
know,
funding
for
gun
violence
programs
has
been
dwelling
down
over
the
past
couple
of
years
with
this
administration.
So
we
want
to
send
a
message
to
congress
to
fund
these
programs.
O
They
the
cure
violence
program,
interrupt
gang
violence,
something
that
we
actually
have
in
the
city
of
albany.
We
also
interrupt
several
other
retaliations
those
type
of
program,
and
I
know
that
snug
is
doing
all
that
they
can
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
funding
to
do
the
work
that
they
established
to
do.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
all
sponsors
or
co-sponsors-
correct,
yes,
okay,
well,
we'll
all
be
listed
as
co-sponsors.
Okay
on
to
the
next,
it's
my
resolution,
81
91
20r
and
it's
resolution.
The
proven
other
monitors
are
the
investigators
for
the
community
police
review
board.
I
I'd
like
to
offer
for
passage.
The
list
came
to
us
from
the
community
police
review
board,
so
they
reviewed
them
and
have
gone
through
this.
B
We
would
have
gotten
it
sooner,
but
there
was
an
issue
or
some
ques
questions
around
residency
and
but
I
think
we're
in
agreement
that
this
is
the
monitors.
Investigators
have
a
special
skill
set,
so
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
all
and
we're
not
gonna
find
the
best
investigators
only
here
in
the
city
of
auburn,
so
I'll
be
offering
that
for
passage
at
our
thursday
meeting.
B
Next,
on
to
resolutions
held
item
number
11,
which
was
was
mine,
75
82,
20r,
the
one
for
adopting
the
retention
schedule
that
will
be
offered
for
passage.
Mr
shea
offered
some
amendments
and
in
our
discussions
and
those
changes
were
made
and
added
to
the
the
legislation,
and
so
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
with
voting
on
it
did
you
want
to
say
anything
judy.
J
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
working
with
me
to
address
my
concerns
about
the
the
schedule,
not
necessarily
reflecting
all
of
our
minimum
retention
schedules
in
our
code,
and
the
amendment
simply
recognizes
that
and
takes
care
of
that.
B
Thank
you,
mr
shea,
okay,
so
that
that's
the
end
of
the
agenda,
so
we're
flipping
back
now
to.
A
Kelly
michael
bryan
has
his
hand
up.
E
Yeah,
just
going
back
to
the
investigators
to
the
citizen
police
review
board
right
right
now,
our
funding
everything
is
paid
to
the
law
school
right
and
we
don't
separately
fund
any
of
these
other
functions.
But
is
this?
Is
this
a
new?
Are
these
new
positions
that
the
law
school
hadn't
been
funding?
O
D
A
while,
since
we've
approved
them,
but
they
are
vetted
by
by
the
law,
school
and
the
cprb
and
then
they're
sent
to
us
for
confirmation.
E
B
F
And
it
would,
it
had
been
extended
or
the
original
deadline
was
actually
monday
by
which
the
original
ordinance
expired
august
31st.
So
this
one
would
extend
it
out
to
december
31st
2020
or
until
the
mayor
or
governor's
executive
order.
Emergency
declarations
are
rescinded.
Whichever
comes
first
council
member
conti,
I
think
you
had
a
question.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
get
back
to
you
on
that
about
the
the
the
I
guess,
the
format
of
yeah.
D
It
was
just
a
question
as
to
why,
instead
of
a
brand,
new
ordinance
was
basically
the
same
language.
Why
not.
F
I
guess,
since
that
ordinance
had
expired
or
will
have
expired
by
the
time
we
get
around
to
this
ordinance,
and
you
know,
according
to
legislative
equivalency,
I
think
we
would
have
to
make
any
amendment
by
ordinance
anyway
and
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
the
original
ordinance
and
this
one
both
go
into
the
unconsolidated
code,
seem
cleaner
to
do
it.
The
way
we
did
it,
but
if,
if
there's
a
reason.
D
A
A
But
because
it's
also
being
introduced
on
the
same
day
for
my
email,
I
just
wanna,
everybody
know
you
need
unanimous
consent
to
pass.
F
And
apart
from
the
date,
I
think
the
language
is
exactly
the
same
as
it
was
for
the
first
ordinance.
B
B
Already,
okay,
so
the
intention
is
to
offer
for
a
passage
okay,
so
now
going
well.
The
thing
is:
we
have
the
skyway
issue,
that's
tied
to
set
resolution
77.
We
also
have
the
folks
here
for
the
give
presentation
that
we
had
on
the
agenda
prior
to
to
this.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
well
I'm
going
to
get
through
the
agenda
first.
So
I
my
apologies
to
the
folks
from
apd.
B
B
Did
someone
say
something,
no,
okay?
So
with
that
being
said,
mr
gallon,
the
floor
is
yours
for
the
for
the
presentation
for
the
agreement.
K
Rookie
mistake,
thank
you
for
for
making
the
time
for
us
to
be
be
here.
I
just
want
to
stress
so
when
we
originally
raised
this
last
week,
we
we
and
part
of
the
presentation
gets
into
where
we
are
today,
which
is
just
a
short
spark
notes,
version
that
new
york
state.
K
We
were
finally
comfortable
with
the
terms
that
were
being
proposed
by
new
york
state
late
last
week,
and
we
knew
that
a
council
agenda
was
going
out.
So
that's
why
we
put
this
on
the
council.
Put
this
as
part
of
the
introduced
legislation,
but
with
the
understanding
that,
because
the
because
new
york
state
already
put
out
the
rfp
for
this
project
well,
while
we
haven't
provided
the
match
yet,
we
would
need
to
when
we
sign
the
agreement
for
the
maintenance
and
operation
of
the
skyway,
now
right
now,
you're.
K
Obviously
your
next
meeting
is
september.
10Th.
Our
hope
was
to
have
this
emceed
and
passed
on
september
10th,
due
to
the
the
the
the
urgency
of
getting
this
signed
and
getting
the
contract
signed
with
whoever
the
state
secures.
So
that
way,
we
don't
miss
an
entire
the
what's
left
of
this
construction
season.
K
If
we
delay,
we
are
jeopardizing
losing
this
fall
and
will
very
likely
push
back
the
opening
right
now
we're
looking
at
very
late
2021
as
it
is
we'd
be
looking
into
2022
if
we
push
it
back,
but
I
I
I've
heard
the
concern
from
council
member
dolce
about
the
agreement
I
mean
I
just
want
to
stress
this
is
this
is
essentially
what
we
talked
about
back
in
december,
where
we,
as
part
of
the
bonding
for
the
skyway.
K
We
agreed
that,
with
the
council's
approval
of
the
bonding
ordinance
that
we
would
have
the
council
review
and
sign
off
on
the
m
o
agreement
before
executing
the
agreement
itself,
this
doesn't
change
the
amount
of
money.
This
doesn't
change
the
the
project
in
any
way.
Basically,
this
agreement-
the
presentation
we
wanted
to
go
through
this
evening
would
delay,
would
really
show
you
what
we
were
proposing
to
agree
to
in
terms
of
maintenance
and
what
the
state's
gonna
agree
to
in
terms
of
maintenance.
K
But
I
I
at
the
outset,
before
we
even
go
into
this,
I
kind
of
want
to
get
a
sense
of
I
mean
if
there's
there
is,
if
there's
overwhelming
an
overwhelming
lack
of
support
for
passing
this
on
september
10th,
then
we
can.
You
know
we
could
ask
to
have
it
referred
to
the
finance
committee
as
soon
as
possible,
with
the
hope
that
it
could
be
taken
up
at
the
september
21st
meeting.
I
just
I
don't
want
to
have
everyone.
J
So
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
trying
to
get
through
these
documents
and
you
know
juggling
a
lot
of
other
stuff.
I
wound
up
realizing
late
this
afternoon
that
one
of
the
documents
I
printed
goes
off
the
page.
So
apparently
I
need
to
you
know
print
to
fit
screen
or
something
like
that.
I'm
missing
schedule
a
does.
Anybody
else
have
schedule
a
not
appendix
a
but
schedule
a.
J
C
J
I
want
to
note
also
that
my
requesting
information
regarding
maintenance
costs
and
and
how
this
would
how
we
would
handle
this.
How
we
would
take
on
maintaining
another
park
goes
back
two
years
now
and
these
questions
you
know
these
documents
are,
you
know
it
have
been
six
seven
months
in
the
making.
I
guess
I
one
of
things
I'm
curious
about
is
if
this
goes
out
to
bid
after
we
pass
this
first,
you
got
to
execute
the
contract.
K
So,
council,
member,
just
to
your
point
about
the
maintenance,
what
what
we,
what
we
shared
back
at
the
end
of
2019
when
ryan
did
his
original
presentation
and
the
follow-up
was
that
we
we
didn't,
have
the
answer
to
that
question
because
we
didn't
have
the
terms
of
the
the
proposed
terms
of
the
maintenance
and
operation
agreement.
Now
we
have
the
proposed
terms
of
the
maintenance
operations
agreement,
which
is
why
we
have
dts
here
this
evening
to
talk
about
the
the
minimum
we
believe
minimal
amount
of
additional
maintenance.
K
This
is
going
to
be
putting
on
on
dgs's
plate.
So
obviously
we've
we've
wanted
to
answer
that
question
for
months
and
that's
why
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
new
york
state
d.o.t,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
we
all.
I
know
we
we
agree
with
the
council.
There
are
concerns
about
taking
responsibility
of
too
much
and
that's
why
we've
been
pretty
deliberate
in
our
our
negotiations
with
the
state.
So
you
know,
and
we
again
we
would
touch
that
on
touch
on
that
in
the
presentation
this
evening.
K
I
just
you
know,
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense
for
where,
where
the
council
as
a
whole
is
at
I
mean
the
other
thing
to
note
with
these
agreements
is
that
most
of
the
form
most
of
the
language
in
the
agreement
is
form
language
that
dot
requires
in
their
contracts.
Most
of
it.
We
can't
change
so
just
know
that
I
know
it's.
You
know
56
pages
of
the
maintenance
operations
agreement.
However
long
excuse
me,
the
betterment
agreement
is
but
most
of
the
subsidies.
F
If
I
can
jump
in
for
one
second,
I
I
sent
everything
I
had
when
I
sent
out
the
support
legislation
to
michelle
and
danielle
and
jr,
but
it
doesn't
seem
that
schedule
a
was
in
there.
So
you
know
you
are
correct,
council,
member,
that
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
attached.
I
I.
J
K
J
I
just
realized
it
now,
otherwise
I
would
have
asked,
but
this
is
you
know,
part
of
the
problem.
I
you.
I
appreciate
what
you
you're
saying
my
point:
is
I've
been
waiting
for
the
answer
to
this
question
for
two
years
minimally,
for
seven
months
now,
we've
had
no
role,
no
updates
of
regarding
this,
and
now
we're
being
asked
to
pass
this
within
eight
days
of
not
even
having
all
the
without
even
having
the
complete
agreements
for
this.
J
Seven
months
and
and
and
this
is
a
problem
that
we
have
been
talking
to
the
administration
about
through
most
of
my
tenure,
where
we're
getting
incomplete
information
or
information
at
the
last
minute
and
the
and
basically
the
administration
is
saying
you
need
to
jump.
You
need
to
trust
us
on
something
and
we
have
a
due
diligence
requirement.
K
With
new
york
state
for
for
a
long
period
of
time,
I
I
I
share
your
frustration.
This
has
taken
way
too
long,
but
it's
because
of
our
advocacy
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
we're
not
taking
on
more
responsibility
and
more
liability
than
than
we
believe
the
city
can
handle.
So
that's
why
we're
we
are
where
we
are
today,
because
we've
been
pretty
pretty
tirelessly
negotiating
with
the
other
parties
involved,
but.
R
Just
to
jump
on
to
what
david's
saying
up
until
a
week
ago,
you
know
we
were
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
this
entire
structure,
substructure
and
the
top
part
as
well.
So
it
was
impossible
to
give
you
the
costs
of
our
maintenance
portion.
When
we
didn't
know
what
that
maintenance
portion
was
going
to
be,
and
many
of
you
have
worked
with
the
state
councilmember
jose.
I
know
you
have
intimately
as
well,
and
they
very
much
are
we're
ready.
R
We
need
this
now,
after
months
and
months
and
months
of
us
pushing
them
on
this,
and
I
know
that
sounds
like
I'm
blaming
someone
else,
but
it
honestly
you've
worked
with
the
state
before
they
were
literally
said.
We
need
to
get
this
posted
on
our
for
rfp
this
week
we
had
to
go
back
to
fhwa
and
get
them
to
approve
of
the
posting
before
your
action,
which
they
did
on
a
very
tentative
basis.
R
J
And
I'm
I
am
familiar
with
the
state
and
I'm
also
familiar
with
sometimes
when
people
are
asking
appropriate
questions,
it's
a
really
good
thing
to
take
a
moment
to
look
at
things
and
and
and
make
sure
it's
right,
and
you
usually
wind
up
with
a
better
product
in
that
process,
and
that's
not
to
say
that
you
know
our
thorough
review
is
gonna
result
in
some
sort
of
you
know
changes
to
this
agreement.
I
did
mention
to
david
yesterday
something
that
I
saw.
J
I
thought
it
was
in
the
betterment
agreement.
I've
gone
back
and
tried
to
find
it
where
we
have
an
obligation
to
pay
the
balance
of
the
bill,
an
absolute
obligation
to
pay
the
balance
of
the
bill
if
the
project
has
cost
overruns
in
these
days
where
construction
materials
are
very,
have
been
going
through
the
roof
doubling
in
some
cases
in
the
last
six
months.
J
I
would
have
a
concern
about
us
agreeing
to
something
like
that,
especially
while
I'm
sitting
in
the
mayor's
office
and
and
she's
telling
me
why
the
city
cannot
take
care
of
woodlawn
park
cannot
address
the
weeds
in
woodlawn
park,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
why
we
can't
take
care
of
woodlawn
park
if
we
can't,
if
we
think
we
can
take
care
of
this
park,.
O
I
just
have
something
to
say
really
quick,
I
mean
we
have
gone
over
this
several
times.
This
skyway
project
is,
I
believe,
in
it's.
Councilwoman's
loves.
District
councilwoman
love
is
a
big
supporter
of
this
project
and
I
just
feel
like
you
know,
individuals
and
up
awards
or
just
chiming
and
talking
about
you
know
they
want
more
details
and
they
want
this
and
they
want
that.
Like
you
know,
maybe
we
should
hear
from
the
council
person
who
represent
that
district.
They
have
said
it
several
times
that
they
support
this
project.
O
We
have
issues
that
we
need
to
discuss
that
need
to
be
addressed.
That
is
more
pressing
in
this
issue
that
we
have
been
going
over
for
two
years
now
and,
quite
frankly,
I
am
frustrated
I
just
want
to.
Let's
move
on,
you
know
the
councilwoman
who
represent
that
district
supports
this
project.
Let's
support
this
and
let's
move.
J
J
We
have
an
obligation
to
do
our
job
and
there
are
potential
very
significant
fiscal
impacts
on
this,
and
while
we
are
dealing
with
a
shortfall
in
the
budget,
17
million
dollar
shortfall
in
the
budget
this
year,
we're
talking.
We
shouldn't
be
writing
a
blank
check.
O
B
Okay,
so
let's
let's
stop!
This
is
what
this
is.
What
we're
gonna
do
we're
not
gonna
go
okay,
okay,
we're
not
gonna,
go
back
and
forth
with
this.
This
is
something
that
could
take
time
to
mr
gallon's
point
about
if
moving
ahead
with
the
presentation
or
not,
if
members
are
comfortable
moving
ahead
with
this,
can
can
I
get
a
show
of
hands
if
you're
comfortable
moving
your
head
with
it
for
with
it,
if
not
we'll
we'll.
This
is
the
cursor
reviews
only.
B
B
So
there's
there's
six
and
there
are
a
few
others
out
there
that
either
are
undecided
or
aren't
comfortable
with
moving
forward
with
it.
So
we'll
just
refer
to
planning
and
and
work
it
through
that
way.
We'll
take
the
time
we
need
to
to
review
this
stuff.
What
we,
I
would
say
is
michelle
and
kathy.
Can
you
you
know
work
to
get
us
into
that
meeting.
Can
we
schedule
a
meeting?
Excuse
me,
do
you
say
planning
or
financing.
D
B
I
meant
finance,
I
meant
finance,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
looking
at
kathy
she's
in
the
middle
of
my
screen,
so
finance
can
we
pull
together
a
finance
meeting
to
to
discuss
this
is
and-
and
you
know,
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
move
forward
with
it,
but
in
a
timely
manner.
That's
comfortable.
M
We
have
a
couple
of
meetings
scheduled,
I'm
thinking
the
24th
michelle
does
that
make
more
sense
to
you.
C
P
K
K
That's
correct!
Is
there
any
way
to
do
the
finance
do
to
hold
a
finance
committee
meeting
on
this
before
the
21st,
so
that
it
could
I
mean
in
the
usual
you
know,
with
with
some
ordinances
it
we
can
introduce,
go
to
committee
and
have
it
acted
on
not
the
following
meeting
but
the
meeting
after
which
in
this
situation
would
be
september.
21St.
Is
there
any
way
to
put
this
on
an
agenda
for
the
finance
committee
before
the
21st,
so
the
council
could
potentially
take
action
on
the
21st.
M
K
B
K
B
Johnson
and
then
mr
mr
holy,
mr
mr
gallonwood,
you
want
to
say
something.
N
You
know
I
just
wanted
to
echo
what
judy
said.
You
know
at
a
time
when
we're
bringing
concerns
to
the
administration
and
we're
being
told
that
you
know
due
to
covet
and
due
to
other
things,
we
can't
get
the
services
that
we
need
right
now.
I
think
it's
a
little
insensitive
and
to
come
and
and
and
see
this
forceful
push.
You
know
we,
you
know
the
last
time
we
heard
from
the
mayor.
She
was
talking
about
big
cuts
and
you
know
I
don't
understand.
N
You
know
how
we
don't
think
about
moving
forward.
We
do
have
a
responsibility
and
I
think
the
responsibility
is
to
to
think
rationally
if
we're
going
through
a
a
a
period
where
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
major
reduction
of
workforce.
Why
wouldn't
we
be
even
considering
adding
another
responsibility
to
a
workforce?
That's
stretched
out
already.
So
you
know.
That's
my
that's.
N
That's
the
first
point
that
I
want
to
make
and
I
just
think
that
people
should
be
allowed
to
express
how
they
feel
about
any
project,
because
that's
what
we're
here
for
to
voice
our
concerns
and
what
we
think
you
know.
I
don't
agree
with
people's
opinions
often,
but
I
still
think
people
should
be
allowed
to
express
how
they
feel,
because
that's
what
this
is
all
about
us
coming
and
working
through
stuff
and
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
work
through
stuff.
N
If
people
can't
express
how
they
feel
or
people
feel
rushed
when
they
start
to
talk
when
they
start
talking.
So
I
think
that
the
timing
of
this
whole
conversation
is
a
little
insensitive.
N
When
you
know,
as
a
old
city,
people
have
sat
there
and
watched
their
parks
not
get
not
get
any
of
the
treatment
that
we're
used
to
getting
so
the
timing
is,
it
makes
me
uncomfortable
to
even
want
to
hear
this
conversation
due
to
the
fact
that
we
had
to
look
at
our
parks
in
a
manner
that
we
did
this
summer.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
H
What
I
would
like
in
in
my
big
request
is,
I
want
to
know
what
the
cost
of
like
replacing
the
concrete
deck
would
be,
what
the
cost
of
keeping
the
drains
clear.
I
don't
understand
as
far
as
the
superstructure
who
paints
that
you
know
the
steel
that
still
needs
to
be
painted
every
five
years.
H
I
believe
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
costs
are,
so
we
can
make
a
good
informed
decision,
because
when
we
were
told
this
originally
and
when
I
voted
for
the
bond
it
was
the
state
was
going
to
take
care
of
all
the
costs.
I
didn't
realize
that
there
was
still
negotiations
going
on,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
what
we're
getting
into
when
we
get
into
this
and
one
of.
H
Email
it
out
and
david
kindly
responded
is
my
concern
is
that
if
we
don't
keep
up
with
the
maintenance,
the
state
says
we
own
the
bridge
and
it's
over
a
major
highway,
and
you
know
jeff
destefano
is
a
bridge
builder
in
the
area,
I'm
good
friends
with
him,
it's
very
expensive,
doing
any
type
of
bridge
work,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
know
everything
we're
getting
into
before
we
get
into
it
so
david.
H
If
there's
any
way
you
can
get
us
estimates,
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
go
down
to
the
dollar,
but
just
a
rough
estimate.
You
know,
you
know
how
much
a
deck
would
cost
if
we
have
to
redo
the
deck
you
know
and
and
the
maintenance
stuff
also
and
painting
and
stuff
like
that.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
do
understand
the
concerns
about
the
costs
and
maintenance
absolutely,
and
but
I
I
do
want
members
to
really
think
long
and
hard
about
this
project.
This
project
you
have
to
look
forward.
This
is
a
potential
revenue.
Producer,
you'll,
see
spin
off
projects
and
development
from
this
project,
and
we
cannot
lose
sight
of
that.
I
know
people
are
extremely
frustrated
with
the
state
of
things
this
year,
but
I
think
this
is
a
project
that
we
have
to.
I
We
have
to
be
looking
forward
and
this
is
a
project
that
has
the
a
very
strong
potential
to
make
a
difference
to
bring
in
new
revenue
to
the
city,
and
we
need
that
we're
going
to
need
that
to
address
some
of
the
cuts
that
we're
facing
and
so
on.
So
that's
my
thoughts.
D
M
J
Just
the
idea
of
us
taking
a
first
look
at
it
today
and
having
a
vote
on
it
next
thursday,
without
even
having
all
the
documents
currently
in
our
possession
that
are
part
of
this
agreement
is
is
not
appropriate,
but
you
know
whether
it's
at
caucus
or
a
finance
committee
meeting.
I
don't
personally
care.
R
J
J
R
O
N
B
Hold
on
hold
on
no,
but
you
always.
You
also
always
jump
in
so
settle
down
for
a
minute.
Mr
mr
robinson's
got
his
hand
up.
I
apologize.
I
can't
see
virtual
hands,
I
can
only
see
actual
hands.
I
don't
so,
but
mr
robinson,
are
you
there.
Q
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
echo
the
sentiments
of
councilman,
johnson
and
also
councilwoman
douche.
This
is
a
last-minute
thing
that
I
didn't
even
have
time
to
kind
of.
I
didn't.
Q
At
all
to
digest-
and
also
I
just
want
to
let
jenny
ferrell
know
as
a
member
of
the
finance
committee-
I
do
have
limited
availability
for
the
rest
of
the
month
of
september,
so
whatever
we
decide
to
do,
if
we
can
decide
within
a
short
amount
of
time
frame,.
M
B
You,
okay
and,
and
and
again
I
don't
I'll
I'll,
get
you,
mr
nani.
This
isn't
leadership.
You
know
pushing
this
forward.
You
know
the
administration
asked
to
speak
on
this
and
they
wanted
to
move
this
forward
and
we
afforded
them
the
opportunity
to
do
this.
So
with
that
being
said,
mr
inani
go
ahead.
O
Thank
you,
president
pro
tem.
I
just
want
to
share
like
my
sentiment
as
it
relates
to
this
project.
This
is
a
equity
kind
of
project
that
we're
talking
about
again,
there's
10
million
dollars
that
the
state
is
given
in
these
times
that
we're
in
10
million
dollars
to
go
towards
a
project
in
the
city
of
albany,
and
we
are
dragging
our
feet
on
a
game-changer
problem
that
kathy
said
could
bring
revenue
into
the
city
could
be
spread
out
to
restaurants
and
businesses.
O
We
need
big,
bold
ideas
for
this
city
to
be
sovereign
for
this
city
to
move
forward,
and
there
is.
There
are
several
municipalities
that
will
twist
their
arm
break
their
arm
to
make
sure
to
get
10
million
dollars
from
the
state.
I
want
to
be
clear.
We
are
going
through
some
tough
times
right
now
and
whatever
federal
dollar
or
state
dollar
that
we're
going
to
see
receive,
we
better
act
upon
it.
O
O
So
what
are
we
saying
no
to,
and
there
are
individuals
who
are
making
comparisons
to
a
park
in
woodlawn
and
not
making
a
comparison
to
a
park
in
our
lower
arbor
hill.
I
find
that
very
frustrating
that
we're
talking
about
a
park
that
is
going
to
be
lower,
arbor
hill
and
individuals
are
saying.
Well,
I
didn't
get
a
park
in
my
I'm
not
getting
improvements
in
my
ward
in
the
upper
world,
so
I
don't
think
that
we
should
take
on
this
major
infrastructure
pro
project.
O
What
kind
of
message
are
we
sending
to
those
kids
that
live
in
those
neighborhoods?
That
way?
Let's
take
care
of
woodlawn.
First
before
we
could
start
entertaining
the
10
million
project
in
lower
arbor
hill.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
inani.
Now
I
actually
see
virtual
hands.
Thank
you,
zoom
gods.
I
believe
it's,
mr
balon,
and
then
mr
o'brien.
L
I'm
just
gonna
say
I
I
think
we've
already
made
a
decision
on
this,
so
you
know,
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
pressing
issues
we
need
to
address.
You
know
to
put
it
in
this
type
of
a
structure
to
be
able
to
pass
it.
The
emcee,
you
need
unanimous
consent,
so
we'll
pass
the
at
that.
So
I
I
think
you
know
we
should
you
know
take
you
know
we
made
a
decision,
let's
move
on.
L
Let's
take
the
time,
let's
read
the
documentations,
let's
make
sure
we're
very
verse
on
it
and
let's
have
this
discussion
and
and
let's,
let's
move
move
forward,
but
I
think
we
have
some
other
serious
issues
that
are
on
the
agenda
that
I'd
like
to
start
discussing
since
we've
already
made
a
decision
on
this.
B
Right
we're
moving
on
it's
gonna.
We
have
a
finance
meeting
or
some
other
type
of
meeting
that
we
will
have
that.
We
can
discuss
these
very
issues.
Aside
from
the
fact
that
all
along
we
have
been
discussing
these
issues
with
regard
to
this,
mr
o'brien
and
then
we're
moving
on
to
give.
E
Okay,
just
fair,
very
briefly,
because
I
know
we
are
going
to
take
it
up
within
the
finance
committee,
but
a
couple
of
comments
kathy
had
mentioned
economic
development.
Nobody
has
really
given
us
any
expectation
of
what
that
economic
development
would
be.
E
It's
actually
I
mean
it's
a
recreational
development,
yes,
and
that
in
itself
is
important,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
generate
economic
development
and
the
other
point
is
which,
which
russo
made
is
why
you
know
kind
of
like
the
states
being
being
giving
us
a
gift
well
compared
to
other
cities.
Within
this
state,
the
state
gave
them
urban
parks
that
are
state
parks,
so
the
municipality
didn't
have
to
put
itself
out
for
millions
of
dollars
and
potentially
an
unknown
number
of
dollars.
E
So
there
are
states,
there
are
cities
in
this
state
as
well
as
other
states
where
old
infrastructure,
old
state
highway
infrastructure
has
been
been
transformed
into
urban
parks
and
remain
at
state
parks.
So
I
don't
look
at
it
as
an
ungrateful
city
asking
too
many
questions,
I
think
they're
legitimate
and
obviously,
when
the
city
entertains
cost
of
several
million
dollars,
it
impacts
the
entire
city,
it
even
impacts.
E
You
know
the
parks
in
in
in
the
other
parts
of
the
inner
city.
So
and
that's
my
only
point
and
the
rest
of
the
collections
can
be
raised
at
the
proper
committee
meetings.
R
Just
to
just
to
be
clear,
the
financial
projections
are
part
of
the
public
record.
They
were
shared
with
you
during
the
dri
process
and
during
the
tap
up
in
the
tap
application.
So
I
encourage
everyone
to
go.
Take
a
look
at
those
before
the
next
committee
meeting.
H
B
You
thank
you
for
that,
so
we
will
be
moving
on
to
the
albany
police
department
and
their
staff.
We
have,
I
believe,
there's
some
jag
information
that
that's
coming
to
us,
also
along
with
the
give
stuff
so
take
it
away.
Chief
donahue
and
company.
S
Good
afternoon,
everybody
or
good
evening,
actually,
I
should
say-
I'm
joined
with-
I
have
commander
foley
here.
Katie
clark
is
also
here:
she'll
be
presenting
the
the
give
grant
to
everybody
also
have
leah
golby,
that
is
on
standby.
For
my
phone,
a
friend
in
case,
I
need
any
additional
information,
so,
starting
with
the
jag
grant
justice
assistance
grant,
like
I
mentioned
leah
golby
is
she's
our
grants
project
coordinator.
S
He
works
collaboratively
with
our
fiscal
team,
which
is
led
by
bridget
pardo
and
they
partner
with
various
subject
matter,
experts
in
the
police
department
and
they
look
for
these
grants
and
apply
for
these
grants
and
we
get
these
grants.
S
So
the
jag
grant
is
a
grant
that
we
use
to
supplement
a
good
way
to
explain
describe
it.
Is
it
supplements
or
give
strategies,
give
strategy
in
our
violent
crime
strategy,
so
we
use
the
give
grant
to
operationally
for
static
patrols
and
also
some
other
patrols
in
areas
where
we
see
an
increased
increase
crime,
whether
it's
in
pine
hills
for
increased
robberies
or
it's
in
west
hill
or
arbor
hill
for
increased
violent
crime,
whether
it's
shootings,
robberies
whatever,
whatever?
S
Whatever
we're
dealing
with
in
that
situation
or
that
area,
the
the
grant
is
very
helpful
in
that
regard,
so
it
gives
us
resources
for
overtime,
so
we
can
put
officers
in
those
areas.
It
gives
the
command
officers
and
the
stations
the
ability
to
have
that
flexibility.
They
can
put
out
those
details
in
those
areas
and
again
all
those
details
are
driven
by
data.
So
if
the
data
says
that
we,
you
know
we're
seeing
data
and
also
street
intelligence
from
the
officer,
so
we
see
increased
robberies
in
an
area.
S
We
can
deploy
officers
quickly
in
that
area
to
suppress
that,
so
the
grant
is
very
helpful
in
that
regard.
It
also
helps
us
with
obtaining
resources
like
equipment,
for
example,
the
2020
grant
we're
planning
on
purchasing
also
in
the
2019
grant
purchasing
shields
for
officers
on
patrol.
So
in
the
in
the
in
the
event
that
there
is
an
active
shooter
or
some
other
type
of
situation,
where
a
shield
will
be
necessary,
it
gives
the
patrol
officers
that
ability
to
have
that
extra
protection
to
keep
them
safe.
S
S
S
Okay,
so
katie
clark
is
going
to
be
logging
on
here,
she's
going
to
be
presenting
the
give
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
katie
katie's
a
msw
she's
our
anti-violence
coordinator.
She
has
a
very
important
role
of
organizing
the
give
program
and
all
the
reporting
requirements
that
that
it
requires
she
has.
She
also
does
many
other
administrative
functions,
with
the
give
grant
she's
been
involved
to
give
since
the
since
the
start
and
she's.
She
plays
a
very
important
role
in
keeping
the
grant
moving
forward
and
making
sure
in
compliance
with
our
reporting
requirements.
S
T
T
U
I
think
we've
got
our
sound
issue
result.
Thank
you
guys
for
setting
this
up
for
us.
I
do
have
a
powerpoint
that
I'm
going
to
use
to
guide
us
through
this.
That
has
a
lot
of
the
data
in
it.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
share
that
now
and
give
me
just
a.
H
U
Okay,
I
think
this
is
working
now
out,
so
we
are
going
to
talk
about
the
gun,
violence,
elimination,
grant.
We
are
on
give
seven
right
now,
so
this
is
an
annual
grant
from
dcjs
new
york
state.
After
conducting
an
in-depth
analysis
of
prime
data
in
new
york,
state
in
2013
found
that
while
most
of
crime
had
significantly
decreased
since
2004,
shooting
homicides
were
still
up
six
percent,
and
so
they
turned
what
was
their
operation
impact
grant
into
the
gun
involved.
U
Violence,
elimination
grant
and
that
became
a
priority
to
use
evidence-based
strategies
to
reduce
shootings
and
aggravated
assaults
in
17
jurisdictions
statewide.
So
the
first
awards
started
in
july
of
2014,
and
now
our
seventh
year
of
funding
will
start
it
on
july.
1St
and
our
funding
cycles
are
not
by
a
calendar
year.
They
go
from
july
1st
to
june
30th
of
the
next
year.
U
So
when
we
look
at
albany,
this
is
what
our
numbers
look
like
for
the
last
couple
years,
their
full
calendar
years
for
2014
through
2019,
and
then
everything
that
we've
had
through
august
31st
of
this
calendar
year
so
2020
year
to
date,
so
shots
fired
incidents
and
shooting
incidents
are
times
when
a
gun
is
fired
and
an
injury
or
death
occurs
and
the
numbers
have
tended
to
be
consistent
from
year
to
year.
But
this
year,
clearly,
we've
seen
a
very,
very
large
spike
in
those
numbers
unfounded
shots.
U
Fires
are
incidents
which
can
be
conclusively
determined
that
no
shots
were
fired.
Those
may
be
fireworks,
cars,
backfiring
or
other
things
that
people
who
call
those
in
may
have
heard
instead
and
then
unconfirmed
shots.
Fires
are
incidents
for
which
we
cannot
conclusively
determine
that
shots
were
or
were
not
fired.
U
When
we're
looking
at
our
shooting
victims,
historically,
we
see
that
you
know
this
month.
Clearly
we
tend
to
see
that
most
of
our
people
are
shot
in
in
the
month
of
july
this
year
that
spike
moved
backwards
to
june
2020
saw
a
very
steady
increase
that
started
pretty
abruptly
in
may
and
has
only
decreased
within
this
last
month.
U
the
chart
on
the
bottom
shows
this
year's
numbers
compared
to
last
year's
numbers,
as
well
as
the
five-year
average,
which
is
the
dotted
line
in
blue
and
then
the
five-year
high,
so
that
is
the
highest
number
of
people
shot
in
each
month
for
the
last
five
years
and
then
the
five-year
low.
So
that's
the
least
number
of
people
shot
in
each
month
for
the
last
five
years.
U
U
If
there
wasn't
property
damage
again,
that's
up
very
dramatically
just
over
215
percent
when
we
compare
it
to
the
five-year
average,
and
this
also
follows
a
very
similar
line
where
we
tend
to
see
the
spikes
start
somewhere
in
may
again
this
year.
That
spike
really
went
up
in
june
and
then
has
just
started
to
decrease.
U
When
we
talk
about
our
give
strategies
in
developing
the
plans,
each
jurisdiction
has
to
use
more
than
one
of
each
of
the
evidence-based
strategies
below
so
the
options
that
we
are
provided
with
by
dcjs
or
hotspot,
policing,
focused
deterrence,
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
and
then
any
agent
or
any
jurisdiction
that
has
a
street
outreach
program
must
work
with
that
street
outreach
program.
So
that
is
one
of
our
required
evidence-based
strategies
that
we
use
and
we've
been
happily
doing,
that
before
that
was
a
requirement
from
dcjs.
U
As
we
plan
our
strategies,
we
have
to
analyze
our
gun,
violence
data,
and
that
includes
the
geographic
location
of
where
shots,
fired
and
shootings
are
occurring,
the
time
of
the
shooting
which
includes
the
hour
the
day
and
the
month
and
motivating
factors.
This
helps
determine
the
nature
of
the
violence
we're
experiencing,
so
that
the
appropriate
strategies
can
be
selected
to
combat
the
violence
that
we're
seeing
the
first
evidence-based
strategy
that
I'll
go
over
is
hotspot
policing.
U
So
this
focuses
on
small
geographic
areas
where
crime
is
concentrated.
This
is
setting
significant
clusters
of
crime
that
generate
a
large
portion
of
the
total
crime
reported
in
the
broader
community.
It's
also
considered
part
of
the
strategy
where
we
look
at
where
hot
people
or
the
people
that
tend
to
commit
violence.
The
most
are
congregating,
so
either
they're
hanging
out
there
or
they
reside
in
that
area
or
there's
other
activities
in
that
area
that
draw
them
there.
Our
crime
is
identified
both
by
our
community
calls
for
service,
as
well
as
our
patrol
calls
for
service.
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When
we
look
at
our
shots,
fired
hot
spots,
going
back
to
2014,
I'm
sorry
that
I
didn't
update
this
to
include
2020
as
a
heading,
but
it
does
include
a
20
20
map.
We
see
that
our
shots
fired
hot
spots
really
have
not
changed
that
much
over
time.
There's
going
to
be
a
quick
graphic
that
just
shows
how
this
changes
and
where
the
hotspots
move
to-
and
I
know
when
I
did
this
last
year-
we
wanted
to
see
this
a
couple
times.
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Okay,
I'll
keep
going
so
as
we're
considering
where
our
hot
spots
are.
We
not
only
look
at
where
our
shootings
are,
but
we
also
conduct,
what's
called
a
conflict
analysis,
so
we
understand
that
much
of
our
gun
violence
is
rooted
in
disputes
and
conflicts,
and
there
are
activities
that
occur
that
can
lead
to
those
disputes
and
conflicts.
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When
we
recognize
there
is
a
hot
spot,
we
work
to
determine
how
to
address
what's
going
on,
so
we
do
that,
based
on
information
from
the
capital
region,
crime,
analysis
center,
and
we
try
to
determine
what
resource
resources
are
available
in
that
area.
So
are
there
businesses
that
are
there?
Are
there
community
members
that
are
there?
Are
there
non-profit
organizations
that
are
there?
What
kinds
of
things
are
going
on
in
that
area
that
may
help
us
determine
what's
happening?
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So
those
micro
locations
may
be
specific
addresses
which
may
be
a
resident's
house.
It
may
be
a
business,
it
may
just
be
a
specific
corner
where
gun
violence
is
happening
or
where
we
see
conflict
analysis
spots
occurring,
and
so
when
we
deploy
patrols
to
that
area,
we're
giving
them
a
larger
geographical
area.
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So,
in
conjunction
with
the
crime
analysis
center,
we
created
a
risk
assessment
tool
that
is
almost
completely
data
driven
to
identify
individuals
who
were
in
the
most
imminent
danger
of
being
shot
or
shooting
someone.
So
research
was
conducted
on
the
past
four
years
of
shootings
and
they
looked
at
both
the
suspects
and
the
victims
of
those
shootings.
So
the
history
is
prior
to
those
shooting
incidents
revealed
many
commonalities.
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There
were
previous
weapons
charges.
The
individuals
were
present
on
the
scene
of
other
shootings.
They
were
the
victims
and
the
perpetrators
of
previous
assault
assaults.
They
were
involved
in
gangs
or
groups
and
they
tended
to
have
disorderly
conduct.
Arrests,
analysts
identified
over
100
different
data
points
and
applied
a
weighted
scale
and
a
subsequently
qualified
risk.
So
this
tool
aggregates
the
weighted
scores
across
the
data
points
and
produces
a
risk-based
hierarchy.
That
is
their
overall
risk,
as
well
as
the
90-day
risk.
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So
we
can
look
at
people
who
are
overall
trending
towards
being
someone
who's
in
a
position
that
may
be
a
likely
shooter
or
be
shot,
but
also
look
at
people
who
are
in
a
little
more
imminent
danger.
So
people
who
have
been
at
countless
shots
fired
within
the
last
90
days
versus
shots,
fired
incidents
within
the
last
year
say,
and
that
helps
us
identify
people
to
do
outreach
too.
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Once
those
individuals
are
identified.
There's
a
deconfliction
process
that
occurs.
Our
enhanced
supervision
unit
officers
make
outreach
to
those
identified
individuals
and
try
to
work
with
them
to
understand
the
most
effective
way
to
redirect
them,
whether
they're
in
some
kind
of
altercation
with
somebody.
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Essentially,
whatever
those
individuals
are
identifying
as
their
needs
and
then
when
an
arrest
must
be
made.
The
district
attorney's
office
is
made
around
made
aware
of
all
background
information
and
the
outreach
meeting
to
that
individual
so
that
they
can
understand
the
things
that
have
been
attempted
before
we
had
to
move
towards
arrest.
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The
second
strategy
that
we
employ
is
called
focused
deterrence.
This
is
a
mix
of
law
enforcement,
social
service
and
community
mobilization,
where
we
directly
engage
with
a
small
number
of
known
conic
offenders,
who
are
often
grouper
gang
members
and
are
responsible
for
committing
the
majority
of
the
gun.
Violence
back
when
we
started
with
give.
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And
what
we
found
was
that
there
was
a
very
small
number
of
people
about
.5
of
the
population
of
albany
that
were
responsible
for
about
75
percent
of
the
gun,
violence
that
was
occurring.
So
we
knew
that
if
we
were
able
to
communicate
clear
incentives
to
those
individuals
of
what
was
happening
to
them
or
likely
to
happen
to
them
if
they
continue
to
engage
in
the
activities
that
they
were,
as
well
as
the
consequences
for
engaging
in
that
activity,
that
we
would
be
able
to
make
a
focused
way
to
have
those
individuals
redirected.
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Sometimes
the
strategy
is
called
pulling
levers,
because
the
other
aspect
of
what
we
do
is
engage
with
those
individuals
and
some
of
their
spheres
of
support,
including
family
members,
coaches
peers,
so
that
they
also
understand
what's
going
on,
can
understand
some
of
the
legal
risks
that
these
individuals
are
facing,
and
sometimes
just
understand
that
these
are
our.
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You
know,
individuals
that
are
seen
on
social
media,
carrying
guns
that
they're
seeing
at
shots
fired
scenes
so
that
they
can
do
what
they
can
to
keep
them
safe
and
also
have
a
conversation
with
them
about
kind
of
where
their
life
is
going.
This
provides
direct
access
to
social
service,
social
services
supports
and
other
needs,
as
well.
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We
are
pretty
consciously
using
the
word
group
instead
of
the
word
gang,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
is
that
our
gangs
uptown
downtown
the
yard,
previously
jungle,
junkies,
ogk
and
write
a
set
tend
to
be
much
more
loosely
hierarchical
than
the
federal
definition
of
a
gang.
We
don't
see
people
in
charge,
we
don't
see
master
plans
happening.
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We
see
small
groups
of
individuals
that
produce
allegiance
in
some
way
to
up
down
or
downtown
or
the
yard,
and
tend
to
hang
out
in
smaller
groups
together
and
sometimes
commit
crimes
together,
and
so
there
doesn't
tend
to
be
a
sense
of
organization
or
structure
found
in
what
we
consider
gangs,
which
is
why
we
often
use
the
word
groups
and
that's
something
that's
been
guided
to
us
by
both
dcjs
and
the
national
network.
As
we've
been
engaging
in
these
strategies.
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One
of
the
questions
that
had
come
up
when
we
participated
in
the
emergency
public
safety
meeting
last
week,
I
believe,
was
the
question
of
of
what
are
our
victims
look
like.
So
this
is
both
the
race
and
the
age
ranges
for
our
victims
from
2014
through
year
to
date.
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So,
as
you
can
see
from
the
chart
on
the
bottom,
that
shows
the
age
ranges
part
of
why
the
average
age
dropped
so
significantly
this
year
to
25
is
that
we've
had
14
individuals
between
the
ages
of
13
and
17
injured.
By
gunfire
this
year,
I
will
say
that
for
2019
there
was
one
individual
under
the
age
of
13
that
was
shot
and
for
2020.
There
are
three
individuals
under
the
age
of
13
that
were
shot,
and
that
includes
a
seven-year-old
and
two
ten-year-olds
and
then
in
2019.
There
was
also
a.
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I'm
sorry
as
we
look
at
our
shooting
victims,
we
also
know
that
87
of
our
shooting
victims
have
a
history
of
having
some
kind
of
police
contact
and
most
of
the
time
that
includes
arrest.
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You
can
see
that
for
this
year
2020
we
have
had
nine
gun
homicides.
Three
of
those
cases
have
resulted
in
arrest
and
six
of
them
have
resulted
are
still
open
for
last
year.
One
case
was
closed
by
arrest
and
two
others
are
open
and
then
for
2018
eight
faces
were
closed
by
arrest
and
two
are
still
open.
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There
are
some
cases
where
multiple
arrests
were
made
for
a
single
incident,
and
so
that
is
where
you're
you
may
be
seeing
some
of
the
numbers
being
a
little
skewed
for
the
age
ranges
as
opposed
to
a
one
for
one
for
the
homicide
case.
Statuses.
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Our
non-fatal
shootings
account
for
the
majority
of
our
gun.
Violence
occurs.
Victims
tend
to
be
historically
uncooperative,
which
means
that
arrests
are
harder
to
make.
So
one
of
the
options
that
we
have
is
to
treat
our
non-fatal
shootings
like
a
homicide
and
that
we
don't
have
a
victim
who's
going
to
be
able
to
tell
us
what
happened
or
who
was
present
when
they
were
shot.
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So
many
of
the
closed
by
arrests
that
occurred
are
due
to
the
investigative
efforts
that
have
occurred
from
our
detectives
as
they've
been
looking
through
these
cases.
To
date,
we've
made
70
gun
arrests,
in
addition
to
the
arrests
that
have
been
made
for
our
non-fatal
shooting
cases
and
we've
recovered
72
guns.
This
is
about
even
with
2019
the
average
age
of
a
of
a
shooting
of
a
defendant
for
a
non-fatal
shooting
case
is
25,
which
is
close
to
what
we're
seeing
for
our
non-fatal
shooting
victims
as
well.
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32
incidents
have
had
arrests
made
for
them
this
calendar
year,
and
that
is
35
individuals
arrested.
10
of
those
incidents
are
for
non-fatal
shootings.
Three
of
those
are
the
homicide
incidents.
When
we
look
at
individuals
that
have
been
arrested
with
handguns,
the
average
age
of
those
arrested
is
25
again,
but
additionally,
we
have
about
20
percent
of
the
70
people
that
were
arrested,
who
are
under
the
age
of
18..
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So
those
are
juveniles,
they're
individuals
that
can
be
handled
through
the
family
court
system,
and
so
I
thought
that
that
was
significant
to
share
large
part
of
the
strategy
of
the
focus
deterrence
strategy
is
group
violence,
intervention.
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By
directly
engaging
with
known
offenders,
who
are
often
group
amount
who
are
often
group
members,
they
communicate
clear
incentives
for
compliance
and
consequences
for
criminal
activity,
and
it
also
provides
a
framework
for
support
and
outreach
services.
So
the
two
key
components
for
the
group
for
the
gbi
strategy
are
custom
notifications
and
a
call-in.
These
are
face-to-face
meetings
between
group
members
and
representatives
from
the
gbi
partnership.
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In
both
the
messages
are
from
law
enforcement,
which
the
law
enforcement
message
is
that
any
future
gun
violence
will
be
met
with
clear,
predictable
and
certain
consequences
and
group
members.
Acts
of
gun
violence
will
trigger
enforcement
actions
against
the
individuals,
as
well
as
their
associates
for
any
current
criminal
activity.
That
they're
engaging
in
there
is
a
moral
message
from
the
community
which
involves
representatives,
including
a
mother.
Who's
lost
her
child
to
gun
violence.
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Somebody
who
has
a
street
reputation
of
having
been
involved
in
gun
violence
prior
has
served
time
and
has
now
come
back
to
their
community
and
can
speak
from
a
level
from
a
perspective
of
lived
experience
and
respected
community
members
who
know
many
of
the
individuals
who
are
in
attendance.
There
is
also
a
help,
an
offer
of
help
from
social
services
for
anybody
that
wants
it
with
a
one
person
or
with
a
one
phone
number
that
is
directly
to
that
person
that
they
can
call
at
any
time
to
engage
and
reach
out
for
services.
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We
were
planning
to
hold
our
seventh
call
in
in
april
of
this
year,
but
unfortunately
had
to
cancel
those
plans
due
to
to
covet
we've
conducted
more
than
300
custom
notifications
and
custom
notifications
are
when
we
direct
when
we
send
an
officer
support
now
and
support
and
outreach
services
together
to
an
individual
who's
involved
in
gun
violence.
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It
tends
to
be
associates
of
victims
or
suspects
or
people
that
we
know
are
engaging
in
an
ongoing
conflict
to
try
and
talk
to
them
about
not
retaliating,
not
engaging
in
that
conflict
and
trying
to
find
another
resolution
to
what's
going
on.
It's
also
an
immediate
offer
of
support
and
outreach
from
our
support
and
outreach
provider,
and
they
give
them
their
phone
number
and
they
follow
up
so
that
they
can
get
immediate
services
if
they
need
them
and
those
services
are
available
to
the
individual,
their
family
or
any
of
their
friends.
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We
know
that
providing
support
and
outreach
to
group
members
is
critical
and
it's
an
important
aspect
of
our
gvi
process.
A
one
per
a
one
point
person
with
one
phone
number
allows
for
easier
navigation
of
access
to
help
being
a
social
worker.
I
know
how
hard
it
is
to
navigate
through
the
various
systems
and
sometimes
just
get
an
appointment
with
a
provider
for
just
about
anything,
let
alone
fill
out
some
of
the
applications
that
are
required
and
so
having
somebody
guide
you
through
that
process
is
extremely
helpful
and
beneficial.
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Our
referrals
for
that
person
come
from
a
variety
of
sources,
mainly
it's
the
albany
police
department's,
enhanced
supervision
unit
and
the
albany
county
probations
give
probation
officer,
but
that
person's
phone
number
is
also
given
to
everybody
that
attends
a
call-in
and
everybody
that
receives
a
custom
notification
with
the
offer
that
they
can
give
that
number
to
anybody
that
needs
it.
And
so
we
know
that
that
individual
also
receives
phone
calls,
often
from
friends
of
people
who
have
received
that
business
card.
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We
replicated
the
project
safe,
neighborhoods
offender
notification
forum.
This
was
developed
by
tracy
nearest
from
yale
university
and
also
sometimes
called
amir's
forum.
The
focus
of
the
forums
is
to
give
fair
warning
of
both
local
and
federal
consequences,
of
additional
participation
in
gun
violence
and
provide
alternatives
for
those
who
are
involved
in
gun
violence.
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The
parolees
that
attend
these
notifications
are
people
who
are
known
to
have
are
known
to
have
violent
felony
convictions
on
their
record,
and
so
that
puts
them
at
unique
risks
if
they
continue
to
engage
in
gun
violence,
and
so
it
offers
them
a
quick
legal
education
as
to
the
things
that
they
may
face,
so
that
they're
informed
as
they're
returning
home
and
again
they
have
an
immediate
offer
of
support.
They
hear
messages
from
people
who
have
been
in
their
shoes
and
can
provide
them
guidance
based
on
lived
experience
and
support
from
the
community
at
large.
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To
date,
there
have
been
49
forums
that
have
engaged
506
different
participants
new
to
last
year.
We
started
in
with
the
non-fatal
shooting
project
because,
as
I
said
earlier,
non-fatal
shootings
account
for
the
majority
of
gun,
violence
that
occurs
in
albany
and
the
cases
are
harder
to
solve.
We
recognized
that
we
needed
additional
resources
in
order
to
be
able
to
gain
the
evidence
that
was
needed
to
solve
those
cases
and
by
taking
this
different
approach
and
treating
that
fatal
shootings
very
similar
to
homicides.
U
The
last
strategy
that
we
engage
in
and
that
I
definitely
want
to
highlight
is
street
outreach.
We've
been
working
with
snug
since
2012
treats
gun
violence
like
a
disease
by
identifying
its
cause
and
interrupting
its
transmission.
They
treat
it
like
a
public
health
crisis.
They
engage
with
high-risk
individuals
who
engage
in
gun
violence.
They
address
issues
that
prompt
those
individuals
to
use
a
gun
and
they
aim
to
change
community
norms
and
attitudes
that
can
accept
gun
violence
as
a
part
of
life.
U
They
respond
to
shootings
in
order
to
prevent
retaliation
and
they
help
detect
conflicts
and
work
to
resolve
them
peacefully
before
they
lead
to
additional
violence.
Part
of
what
the
police
department
does
is
is
notify
snug
of
any
non-fatal
shooting
that
occurs
so
that
they
can
respond
appropriately.
Depending
on
what
the
situation
is,
we
meet
monthly
to
discuss
any
trends
and
locations,
and
we
provide
referrals
for
high-risk
individuals
who
would
benefit
from
outreach.
These
tend
to
be
individuals
who
are
returning
home
from
prison
so
that
they
have
a
familiar
face.
U
U
New
to
the
snug
program
recently
has
been
a
social
work
component
that
includes
case
management
and
counseling.
U
This
includes
trauma
and
mental
health
follow-up,
because
we
recognize
that
those
that
are
victims
of
gun
violence
and
around
gun
violence
are
at
a
higher
risk
of
being
traumatized
and
are
going
to
think
differently
and
need
different
needs
so
by
having
people
that
are
specially
trained
to
be
able
to
address
that
they're
able
to
work
through
difficult
issues
with
those
individuals.
This
also
includes
the
urban
grief
services
provided
by
lisa
goode
and
her
team,
which
is
also
broadening
out
into
the
community,
to
address
the
trauma
and
stress
that
the
community
is
seeing
as
gun.
U
Violence
is
perpetuated,
not
only
in
is
perpetuated
in
neighborhoods
and
not
only
to
people
individually.
So
we
know
that
residents
are
just
as
affected
by
gun
violence
as
as
victims
themselves,
and
with
that
I
didn't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time.
So
I
will.
I
will
open
it
up
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have
and
figure
out
how
to
stop.
Sharing.
My
screen.
B
B
Look,
I
think,
mr
o'brien,
you
had
a
question
early
on
you're
done.
Okay,
so
miss
frederick,
you're
up
and
then
miss
faye.
G
So
first
you
rep,
you
had
a
table
up
where
it
showed
13
to
17
year
olds,
and
you
acknowledge
that
there's
kids,
that
are
of
lower
age
also
within
those
populations,
I'm
just
curious
how
many
of
those
under
legal
age
youth
are
actually
innocent
bystanders
compared
to
kids,
who
are
involved
in
whatever
activities
being
taken
place?
U
You
mean
in
the
13
to
17
age
group
yeah
for
this
year.
I
would
say
that
it's,
it's
more
than
half
are
non-innocent
bystanders.
I
I
very
consciously
took
out
the
three-year-old
a
seven-year-old
and
the
two
ten-year-olds,
because
they
were
innocent
bystanders,
and
that
was
something
that
we
recognized,
but
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
with
specific
numbers.
I
know
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It
is
more
than
half.
G
Okay
and
then
okay,
the
next
question
and
I'll.
This
will
be
my
last
one,
because
I
know
there's
probably
a
lot
of
questions
from
everyone
on
the
line.
The
first
slide,
I
noticed
when
the
program
started.
We
saw
a
decrease
in
the
number
of
gun,
gun
violence
related
metrics
that
you
had
presented,
but
then
I
noticed
a
trend
continuing
on
after
the
first
year
of
increases
to
shots,
fired
victims,
etc.
U
I'm
I'm
not
fully
aware
of:
what's
happened
in
the
other
17
jurisdictions.
I
know
that
that
is
data
that's
available
from
dcjs.
You
know
I
anecdotally.
I
know
that
first
2018
2019,
we
have
seen
gun
violence
continue
to
trend
back
upwards.
I
don't
remember
if
that
happened
back
in
2017.
U
I
do
know
that
2016
for
us
was
an
anomaly
year
in
that
it
was
one
of
our
lowest
years
to
date.
G
I
I
I
can't
help
but
think
you
know
you
talk
about
whether
they're
into
some
bystanders
or
not
when
you're
around
a
person
who
is
violent
and-
and
you
know,
becomes
part
of
your
life-
you
even
if
you're
not
involved
in
it,
it's
easy
to
progress
towards
a
more
violent
lifestyle,
and
I
can't
help
but
think
these
25
year
olds,
who
are
are
the
shooters
and
the
victims.
I
You
know
we,
we
missed
them
at
some
point
in
school,
their
connections
weren't
there.
They
never
had
that
career
that
they
could
go
on
to
it's
a
really
huge
missing
piece,
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
you
know
this
is
a
great
program,
but
is
there
a
discussion
of
what's
needed
earlier
on
to
to
prevent
gun
violence,
especially
with
those
innocent
bystanders?
You
talk
about
because
they're,
like
I
said,
they're
the
they're,
the
next
violent
offenders
later
on.
U
U
You
know,
I
think
that
there
are
a
number
of
questions
about
what
the
circumstances
are
that
lead
to
that,
whether
you
know
it's
education
needs
whether
it's
recreation
needs,
whether
it's
additional
family
support,
whether
there
are
signs
early
on
that
people
can
step
in
whether
that's
formal
services
or
community
members
that
are
assisting
children
and
families,
and
I
think
that
that's
that's
just
something.
We
don't
have
a
good
answer
for
you
know
when
we
work
with
dcjs,
they
focus
very
much
on
looking
at
what
the
data
is
telling
us.
U
I
U
U
Yes,
the
partners
forgive
meet
at
least
weekly
with
cova.
That's
changed
a
little
bit,
but
we
also
meet
monthly
to
go
over
strategies
and-
and
we
create
the
give
strategy
together.
The
district
attorney's
office,
probation
and
the
police
department
have
to
submit
a
joint
strategy
each
year.
I
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention-
you
know
this
year
of
course,
has
been
so
terrible,
and
so
many
albany
residents
are
so
incredibly
upset
with
the
number
of
shootings
and
the
number
of
victims
this
year,
and
it's
this
kind
of
information
that
you're
giving
would
be
really
helpful
to
get
out
more
broadly
just
so,
people
know
how
much
work
is
going
into
addressing
this
violence.
U
Absolutely
and
I
think
for
me,
the
fact
that
this
is
able
to
be
recorded
and
available
on
zoom
is
kind
of
a
blessing
because
it
does
allow
for
that.
U
U
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
you've.
Given
us
a
lot
of
information
tonight.
One
of
the
things
I
really
appreciate
is
when
you
talk
about
group
as
opposed
to
gang,
and
one
of
the
things
I
I
want
to
comment
on
is
you
know
we
had
school
was
gone
virtual
this
year.
My
son
is
in
the
public
school
system
here
in
albany.
You
know,
kids
are
home,
I
mean
he
was
only
online
three
or
four
hours
a
day
and
the
rest
of
the
time
he
could
do
whatever
he
wanted.
H
So
and
I'm
really
concerned
that
school
is
going
to
be
virtual
for
this
next
semester.
You
know
in
in
albany
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
kids
out
there.
You
know
whether
they
go
to
do
the
virtual
work
or
not
they're,
going
to
have
a
lot
of
spare
time.
Now.
I'm
a
former
young
male
and
young
males
have
the
tendency
to
want
to
fight.
I
mean
who's
tougher
than
who
and
my
feeling
and
again
I
don't
know,
but
I
just
know
being
you
know
growing
up
in
an
urban
area.
H
You
gotta
have
sports
or
some
other
outlet.
You
know
I'm
thinking
like
boxing,
my
son
does
karate.
We
got
to
get
something,
especially
for
our
younger
kids,
who
are
getting
we
had
about.
You
know.
The
number
has
increased
of
the
young
13
to
17
year
olds,
so
we
really
need
to
do
get
some
kind
of
social
stuff
going
so
that
we
don't
go
beyond
and
I
do
have
a
question
is
you
know
we
talk
about?
H
Well,
there
was
so
many
homicides,
but
when
a
person
gets
shot
and
especially
a
young
person,
I
read
one
person
got
shot
in
the
knee.
What
type
of
damage
does
this
do
long
term
to
the
person's
body
and
do
these
kids
realize
the
damage
that
they're
doing
to
each
other?
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
it's
because
of
video
games
where
you
can
shoot
and
kill
and
then
you
just
start
another
game.
H
It's
a
do-over,
but
in
real
life
with
a
real
gun,
it's
not
a
do-over,
I
mean
if
you're
hurt
or
damaged
or
or
killed
you
just
don't
reboot
and
start
over.
So
I
mean
I,
I
appreciate
the
numbers.
I
guess
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
thank
you
for
explaining
the
groups
and
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
come
up
with
something
to
keep
our
kids
busy
and
try
to
get
them
away
from
this
type
of
violence.
Thank
you.
B
N
Q
N
Thank
you
councilman.
I
just
want
to
say
I've
spent
three
years
advocating
for
youth
programming
complaining
about
my
concerns
about
arts
and
recreation
and
all
of
these
things
factor
into
some
of
the
things
that
we're
dealing
with.
You
know
albany
as
a
youngster.
I
had
alternatives
of
where
I
wanted
to
go
to
after
school,
and
you
know
I
had
choices
about
activities
to
do
on
the
weekend
and
today,
when
we
look
at
what
our
kids
have,
we
don't
have
our
kids.
N
Don't
have
those
choices
so
and-
and
another
thing
is,
you
know
when
you
start
to
find
out
who
these
kids
sometimes
that
are
perpetrating
these
acts?
They
aren't
the
typical
street
kid
all
the
time,
they're,
not
a
kid
who
had
a
whole
bunch
of
problems.
You
know
a
lot
of
stuff
is
just
poor
choices
and
poor
split
second
decision
decisions.
N
You
know
the
lack
of
things
to
do
sometimes
put
people
in
situations
that
they
don't
need
to
be
in,
and
they
end
up
regretting
being
there.
So
as
long
as
we
continue
to
ignore
the
fleas
that
come
from
the
needs
of
our
community,
these,
these
type
of
things
are
going
to
be
happening,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
be
forced
to
rely
off
of
groups
like
snug
and
whatever
effort
that
is
out
there
trying
to
counteract
what's
going
on.
N
So
we
need
to
take
a
a
real
look
at
what
the
city
is
offering
on
a
daily
basis
monday
through
friday.
Our
kids
want
to
do
better,
they
want
to
be
better
and
they
don't
have
opportunities
that
we
once
had.
So
some
of
the
solutions
are
right
in
front
of
us,
but
we
just
not
look
taking
a
hard
look
at
it.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
so
katie,
so
you
mentioned
before
that
the
hot
spotting
is
an
evidence-based
strategy.
What
type
of
evidence
is
that
strategy
supposed
to
what
type
of
outcomes
are
supposed
to
be?
Q
B
Out
yeah,
mr
robinson,
you
are
your
audio
is
coming
in
and
out.
Q
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
now
hear
me
now
good
okay,
so
you
mentioned
evidence-based
strategies.
So
my
question
is:
what
is
the
evidence
supposed
to
show.
P
That
there
is
a
reduction
in
violent
crimes,
is
supposed
to
show
that
there's
more
guns
being
taken
off
the
street.
Q
J
Thank
you,
lots
of
great
information,
disturbing
information.
The
numbers
are
really
pretty
stark
in
the
charts
that
you
provided.
J
I
simply
wanted
to
ask
you
if
you
would
email
your
powerpoint
presentation
to
michelle,
so
she
can
distribute
it
to
the
entire
common
council
and
you
know,
have
it
available
in
our
files.
Absolutely
thank.
B
You,
while
mr
robinson's
getting
his
question
together
to
mr
johnson's
point
about
opportunities
and
recreation
as
a
part
of
that
group,
when
you
were
mentioning
we,
you
mentioned
a
couple
of
different
folks,
is:
are
parks
and
rec
and
other
city
departments.
A
part
of
that
group
that
are
coming
together
to
try
to
you
know,
plan
make
some
plans
for
reducing
this
violence.
U
Not
that
I'm
aware
of
you
know
I,
I
know
that
that's
a
conversation
that
comes
up
pretty
regularly
about
the
need
for
community
centers
and
recreational
opportunities
and
and
things
like
that,
but
not
any
formal
conversations
you
know
regarding
gun
violence
now.
B
Okay,
well
we're
still
waiting
mr
ballerin.
L
Thank
you,
councilman
kelly.
I
guess
I
I've
got
just
a
couple,
quick
questions.
L
Can
you
go
over
who
your
partners
are?
Maybe
I
missed
it,
but
can
you
just
go
over
quickly
who
the
different
partners
are
the
around
the
table
that
you
you
say
you
guys
meet
every
week,
yeah
so
who
who's
around
the
table
weekly.
U
So
the
formal
partners
for
the
give
grant
are
the
district
attorney's
office,
the
albany
police
department
and
probation.
U
When
I
talk
about
cleaning
weekly,
that
also
includes
federal,
probation
and
parole,
monthly,
the
re-entry
task
force
and
albany
county
mental
health,
as
well
as
some
other
outlying
jurisdictions,
troy
and
schenectady,
namely,
and
the
state
police.
U
I
have
separate
meetings
with
with
trinity
alliance
and
snub
information
sharing
with
lisa
goode
for
her
things,
and
then
I
know
that
we
have
meetings
with
the
school
district
as
well.
L
I
guess
my
question
I
for
me
a
big
part
of
this
is
I
always
look
at
the
entities
to
have
resources?
Who
has
you
know
the
dollars
to
actually
make
some
of
these
changes
and
some
of
the
big
players
that
I
I
I
always
think
should
be
around
the
table.
As
can
most
it's
consistency
as
possible?
L
Is
the
city
of
albany
park
and
west?
Is
the
school
district
and
is
apd?
I
mean
those
are
some
of
the
big
resources.
Those
are
those
are
the
entities
that
have
the
the
dallas
behind
them.
That,
and
I
know
I'm
not
taking
away
from
any
of
the
other
partners.
I'm
just
saying
we
were
focusing
on
how
we
can
address
the
issues
with
the
younger
population.
L
U
I'm
gonna
let
the
deputy
chief
answer
this
he's
sitting
in
the
room
with
me.
Give
me
just
a
second
so
that
we
won't
create
an
audio
issue
for
you.
T
B
B
S
Okay,
councilman
ballard.
I'm
sorry
could
you.
I
had
a
hard
time
hearing
your
question
and
could
you
just
could
you
just
hit
on
it
again?
I
apologize
so.
L
So
I
always
feel
some
of
the
bigger
the
bigger
players,
the
organizations
that
have
the
most
resources
should
be.
You
know
sitting
around
the
table
as
much
as
possible
and
and
to
me
some
of
the
biggest
players
are
apd
school
district
and
the
city.
You
know
those
are
the
ones
that
have
some
of
the
more
resources.
So
my
question
was
how
how
often
are
all
those
three
entities
meeting-
and
I
agree-
the
asia
should
be
a
part
of
those
means
as
well.
L
They
have
resources
and-
and
you
know
you
know-
I
think
it's
great-
that
we
meet
with
you
know
meant
you
know,
albany
county
mental
health.
But
how
often
are
those
entities
meeting
meeting
together
not
just
having
separate
meetings,
because
sometimes
we
have
separate
meetings,
you
don't
know
you're
creating
silos.
Instead
of
trying
to
close
the
gaps.
S
That's
correct
yeah
so
as
it
relates
to
give
we
have
these
meanings
as
katie
described,
and
some
of
these
meetings
are
are
law
enforcement
specific
and
then
we
break
off
into
some
of
the
other
services
that
these
different
agencies
can
provide.
So
as
far
as
the
school
district
goes,
there
is
units
in
our
department
neu,
for
example,
esu
track
they
communicate
with
them
on
a
regular
basis
and
those
officers
are
directly
involved
in
this
whole
strategy.
S
So
it
that
way
it's
preventing
that
silo
effect.
So
those
we
have
those
meetings
with
all
law
enforcement
officials
and
executives
from
the
different
agencies,
and
then
the
strategy
is
put
together
and
then
it
goes
from
there
to
where
it
needs
to
go.
So
if
it's
school
related.
So
if
we
have
an
issue
with
somebody
that
goes
to
albany
high,
for
example,
so
they're
involved
in
some
type
of
incident,
we
have
constant
communication
with
handle
with
care
and
other
different
things
that
we
do
with
the
school
district
on
a
regular
basis.
S
So
they
may
not
be
directly
involved
in
some
of
these
some
of
these
initiatives
directly.
But
there
is
a
line
of
communication
with
these,
with
these
agencies
same
thing
with
mental
health
and
all
the
other
agencies
that
you're
that
you're,
describing
that
you're
that
you're
discussing.
L
T
Q
S
So
so
these
so
these
strategies
we
go
where,
where
that
we're
being
either
called
to
or
where
the
crimes
are
occurring.
So
we
see
in
a
lot
of
these
strategies.
We
see
that
the
it
doesn't
move
around
too
much.
As
you
saw
on
that
graphic
that
katie
showed
and
the
presentation
you
saw
those
hot
spots
kind
of
move.
S
They
didn't
really
move
too
much.
They
just
slightly
moved.
So
as
far
as
as
far
as
seeing
if
the
strategies
work,
I
mean
we're
aware
we
we
go
where
these
incidents
are
occurring
maker,
we're
making
arrests
and
we're
having
a
visible
presence
there,
and
we
are
seeing
through
the
data
there
are
we've
had
some
years
we've
had.
S
Definitely
you
could
see
some
success,
but
as
far
as
violent
crime
there's
so
many
factors
that
go
into
violent
crime
and
whether
or
not
it's
going
up
or
down-
I
wouldn't-
I
wouldn't
pin
it
just
on
this
one
strategy,
there's
a
number
of
strategies
that
we
use.
We
have
to
adjust
them
on
a
regular
basis,
so
I
mean
ultimately,
we
would
love
there
to
be
zero
crime,
but
we
you
know.
S
Realistically,
I
don't
know
how,
if
we
can
ever
really
achieve
that,
so
we
do
our
best,
and
I
think
this
strategy
gives
us
the
resources
to
put
in
these
communities
in
these
areas
to
combat
that
so
success
rate,
I
mean
we're
taking
guns
off
the
street.
We're
making
arrests
this
year
is
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
other
factors.
But
if
you
look
at
previously
years,
we've
had
some
years
where
we
had
very
we've,
had
no
homicides
so
and
and
violent
crime
and
gun
crime
particularly
has
been
down.
S
So
you
know,
I
think,
the
strategy,
if
you
look
at
long
term,
it's
successful
in
many
ways,
because
it
also
we've
developed
other
partnerships
and
other
programming
as
a
result
of
this.
So
I
think
we
stay
with
the
strategy
and
we're
always
open
to
other
suggestions,
like
I
said
last
week,
so
we're
always
looking
for
new
strategies,
new
things
to
implement
to
to
add
to
this.
But
but
I
I
personally
feel
that
if
we
didn't
do
this
strategy,
that
the
numbers
would
be
much
higher.
T
All
right,
councilman
robinson,
has
a
follow-up
question.
I
believe
you
guys
can
hear
him
when
I
do
it
like
this.
Q
Okay,
so
my
follow-up
question
is
again
we're
talking
about
evidence.
So
what
is
the
data
that
shows
that
this
particular
strategy
are?
The
multitude
of
strategies
are
working
because,
as
you
show
the
heat
map,
it
just
shows
that
the
violence
is
contained
in
one
area,
which
is
predominantly
west
hill
in
our
hill.
S
S
So
I,
like,
I
said
I
think
if
we
didn't
use
this
strategy,
the
numbers
would
be
much
higher
than
bl.
We'd
have
a
lot
more
problems,
so
the
evidence
I
would
say
is
that
we're
we're
able
to
we're
able
to
keep
a
handle
on
it.
We're
able
to
make
arrests
where
and
oftentimes
give
you
many
examples
where
you
know
our
response
times
are
better
and
we're
there
we're
preventing
violent
crime
with
some
of
these,
with
some
of
these
resources
that
we
have
and
it
gives
us
the
ability
to
have
extra
resources.
S
If
we
didn't
have
these
programs
in
place,
we
may
not
have
the
resources
to
have
the
outreach
that
we
do
to
have
the
extra
patrols
to
have
detectives
working
these
cases
as
they
do
every
shooting
case
work
as
a
like,
like
a
homicide
case,
so
yeah
it
is
evidence-based.
S
S
These
neighborhoods
that's
a
problem
that
involves
or
that's
a
solution
that
involves
everybody
on
this
call,
as
well
as
everybody
else
in
the
community,
because
there's
so
many
pieces,
like
you
guys,
said
community,
you
know
sports,
community
events
and
centers,
and
so
many
different
things
so
that
I
think
it's
unfair
to
say
that,
just
because
crime
isn't
all
the
way
down,
there's
no
evidence
to
show
that
this
isn't
working.
I
would
submit
that
if
this,
if
this
wasn't
in
place,
violent
crime
would
be
a
lot
higher.
S
So
it's
hard
to
really
show
give
you
a
graph
to
show
that
the
effectiveness.
S
Q
And
more
preventatively,
so
the
next
question
I
I
have
with
the
whole
hot
spot
strategy
and
a
lot
of
overtime
going
to
there's
being
a
lot
of
overtime.
Q
I
have
an
issue
with
community
members,
myself,
other
council
members
saying
we
know
where
the
areas
are
where
violent
crime
occurs
in
our
district
and
we've
asked
for
static
patrols
to
be
on
the
corners
and
we're
always
told
that
we
don't
have
the
resources,
but
yet
we're
saying
that
there's
overtime
being
allocated
to
prevent
a
lot
of
crime.
What
is
your
assessment.
S
My
my
assessment
of
that
is,
like
we
spoke
of
last
this
week,
is
that
static
patrols,
a
patrol
officer
sitting
on
the
corner,
is
not
effective,
so
we're
going
to
a
strategy
of
having
officers
out
of
the
car
walking.
There's
like.
I
said
it's
a
multi-faceted
approach,
so
there
is
resources
out
there.
S
There
has
been
officers
out
there
visibly
patrolling
walking
they're,
not
just
sitting
in
a
car,
because
if
they
sit
in
a
car
at
one
corner,
guess
where
the
group
is
going
the
next
next
next
block
over
when
they're
static
and
moving
around
they're
visible
and
it's
more
effective
and-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
research-
a
lot
of
examples
that
we
can
give
you
of
that.
So
community
members
are
saying
yeah.
We
want
more
police
out
there
100
and
there
has
been
more
police
out
there.
S
We
have
seen
several
guns
taken
off
the
street
and
in
fact,
shootings
prevented,
even
as
recently
as
a
couple
days
ago,
so
it's
it's
been
effective,
they're
out
there
they're
they're,
100
percent,
visible
and
out
there.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
that's
my
assessment
of
that
is
that
the
officers
are
out
there.
T
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
unmute
it
in
enough
time,
but
councilman
robinson
mentioned
that
you
can
move
on
to
the
next.
Thank
you
so
much.
N
Thank
you.
Can
I
just
a
follow-up
question
if
just
councilman
robinson's
point
that
he
was
making
like
how
hard
would
it
be
to
change
from
first
street
below
lexington
to
a
one-way
going
up?
I
was
I
was
on
that
block
yesterday
and
I'm
just
watching
cars
just
go
flying
by,
and
you
know
like
that
and
that's
coming
from
the
community,
and
you
know
it
that
also
can
prevent
someone
who
takes
does
something
dangerous
from
being
able
to
just
get
to
that
highway
so
fast.
So,
like.
N
I
think,
that's
something
that
we
could
do
just
like
that,
because
this
community
generated
and
and
it
would
send
you
know
because
they
have
had
some
gun
arrest
but
from
what
was
shared,
that
it
was
community
input.
So
the
community
is
trying
to
work
with
you
and
you
know
what
what
a
better
way
to
show
that
we're.
Listening
to
what
they're
saying,
they're
saying
that
you
know
they
think
that
a
one-way
rate
there
would
be
a
big
deterrent.
S
Yeah
councilman,
I
don't
disagree
with
you
there.
However,
when
you
change
roadways,
I'm
not
that's
not
my
in
my
wheelhouse,
but
I
know
I
could
talk
to
bill
trudeau,
but
I
know
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
into
that.
I
think
there's
traffic
studies
and
different
things
that
go
into
that.
S
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
more
experience
in
this
call
with
that,
but
that's
definitely
something
we
could
look
at
and
get
the
wheels
in
motion
on
that
and,
along
with
that,
I
know
chief
hawkins
is
you
know
our
staffing,
as
everybody
knows,
is
a
little
low
right
now,
but
he's
trying
to
rebuild
the
traffic
safety
division.
So
we
could
part
of
the
strategy
would
be
also
to
have
some
more
traffic
enforcement
out
there
as
well
to
help
out
with
that.
S
L
Thank
you
and
I've
just
I
just
got
one
more
question
when
we
looked
at
one
of
the
slides
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
go
back
to
that
slide,
I
looked
at
the
years.
I
think
2012
to
2020
the
crime
rate,
homicides
and
shootings
the
homicide
shootings.
E
L
Looked
from
2012
to
2020
what
I
saw
and
just
like,
if
you
could
put
it
back,
if
you
could
share
it
again,
that'd
be
great
because
maybe
I
saw
the
numbers,
maybe
I
missed
the
numbers,
or
maybe
I
didn't
see
them
correctly,
but
what
I
see
is
that
the
last
three
years
have
been
some
of
the
toughest.
L
You
know
we're
looking
at
where
we
were
before,
where
we
are
now
I'm
looking
at
some
years.
You
know
where
we
have
confirmed
shootings
have
been
up
since
2018..
L
You
know,
we've
had
more
homicide,
you
know
you
know
victims,
including
homicide.
If
you
look,
you
know,
we've
had
more
in
the
last
three
years
that
we've
had
before
you
know.
My
name
is
a
my
neighbors
are
scared
and
to
piggyback
on
what
councilman
robinson
said.
You
know
my
neighbors
say
they
want
to
see
more
of
a
police
presence.
They
want
to
make
sure
they
want
to
feel
safe
when
they
go
outside
their
streets,
and
you
know
it's.
L
So
I
guess
my
question
is
what
data
you
found
that
gives
us
some
kind
of
an
explanation
of
why
you
know
there's
been
such
an
uptick
in
gun
violence
in
gun
activity.
Maybe
I
shouldn't
use
the
gun
activity.
You
know
in
these
last
three
years
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
we
can
see
it?
I
mean.
B
L
L
You
know
same
thing
with
shooting
incidents,
40
45,
48
76
before
that
it's
in
the
30s.
So
you
know
the
last
four
years
we've
had
confirmed
shootings
in
the
90s.
So
I
guess
that's
my
question.
What
what
data
or
what
evidence?
Do
you
have?
What
information
do
you
have
that
says?
What's
happened
these
last
three
years
that
has
brought
it
so
that
we
have
more
gun
activity
than
we've
had
in
the
past?
L
S
So
getting
back
to
my
point
about
crime,
like
you
know,
you
know,
we
don't
know
exactly
all
the
factors
that
make
crime
increasing
decrease,
but
but
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
commander
foley
to
kind
of
go
through
this
a
little
bit
more
with
you
to
kind
of
explain,
explain
this
good.
V
Evening,
there's
not
a
whole
set
answer.
I
can
give
you,
but
I
can.
I
can
kind
of
fill
in
a
lot
of
blanks
for
you
back
in
the
early
2010
11
12
13,
a
lot
of
pro-activity
work
done
here
in
the
city
of
albany.
We
put
a
lot
of
offenders
in
in
jail
for
various
crimes
in
various
different
things.
They
are
now
starting
to
come
back
out
on
parole,
getting
out
in
jail,
federal,
probation,
whatever
it
may
be,
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
our
old,
violent
offenders
coming
out.
V
What
we're
seeing
especially
this
year,
even
though
again
this
year
is
an
anomaly
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
old
disputes
that
guys
had
before
they
went
in
or
before
they
went.
It
went
away
coming
coming
to
the
surface
also,
I
believe,
starting
in
17.
We
started
to
see
this
little
rivalry
between
troy
and
albany,
and
it's
it's
really
nothing
more
than
just
a
social
media,
rap
video
type
thing
where
they
each
call
each
other
out.
They
diss
each
other
on
social
media.
V
They
look
at
each
other
the
wrong
way
and
then
now
we
have
a
shooting
over
there
immediately
retaliation
over
here.
Our
guys
go
right
back
right
over
there.
So
we
see
this
little.
We
had
not
seen
that
in
any
years
prior
and
once
that
gets
rolling,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
stop.
Well,
we
work
closely
with
troy
and
it's
connecting
now
for
that
matter
as
well
when
when
this
is
going
on
to
put
a
put
a
halt
to
it.
V
The
other
thing
we
are
seeing
is
this
year
we
did
see
an
up
a
real
uptick
in
the
between
the
uptown
and
downtown
guys.
We
don't
know
we
kicked
it
off,
but
it's
been,
it's
been
violent.
V
It's
been,
we
believe
in
the
past
couple
months
about
month
or
two
months,
we've
arrested
some
of
the
more
violent
individuals
responsible
for
that
and
I'm
going
to
say
it.
I
think,
that's
why
you
see
the
decline
in
the
shots
fired
in
the
shootings
over
the
past
11
12
days,
we've
made
some
serious
major
arrests.
In
some
cases,
some
people
are
incarcerated.
V
What
we're
finding
is,
there's
only
one
or
two
three,
maybe
four,
really
really
violent
kids
in
each
group.
It's
just
a
matter
of
getting
a
handle
on
those
kids
and
and
taking
them
into
custody,
or
you
know,
solving
the
problem
and
once
we
can
have
them
in
custody,
we
reduce
the
problem
going
back
to
2018,
we
did
have
the
we
had
real
real
violent
month.
I
believe
it
was
july
and
august.
We
were
good
up
until
july
or
august.
V
Elijah
cancer
is
shot
and
killed
down
in
the
south
end
that
spot
sparks
off
some
retaliation
back
and
forth.
That's
probably
sparked
off
15
or
20
shots
fired,
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
actually
shooting
victims
waffle.
One
one
thing
so
only
takes
one
one
spark
to
set
off
the
the
powder
keg.
We
work
hard
to
get
it
under
control.
I
said
I
said
now
I
you
know.
V
Hopefully
I
don't
put
my
foot
in
my
mouth
a
little
bit
later
on
this
week,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
good
handle
on
what's
going
on
right
now
and
we'll
be
making
some
more
progress
in
the
very
near
future.
S
And
I'd
just
like
to
know
one
more
thing
to
that
too,
and
you
know
these,
the
cases
have
gone
up
dramatically
and
the
progress
that
these
detectives
under
commander
foley's
leadership
has
been
tremendous.
So
I
just
want
to
give
some
accolades
to
them
as
well,
for
all
those
efforts
to
be
able
to
handle
these
cases
and
make
that
progress
that
they've
been
making.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you,
chief
and
ms
clark
and
commander
foley
any
more
questions.
B
B
H
N
B
B
Be
safe,
thank
you,
so
so
yeah,
mr
johnson
requested
a
number
of
times
over
the
last
few
weeks,
probably
longer
than
that
about
getting
back
into
the
chambers,
and
I
I
said
we
should
bring
it
up
in
the
caucus
and
and
speak
amongst
ourselves.
I've
actually
spent
a
little
time
with
danielle.
You
know
seeing
what
she
was
trying
to
do
with
the
the
chamber
in
terms
of
social
distancing
and
making
this
stuff
work.
It's
it's
really.
B
It's
really
difficult
to
do
so,
mr
johnson,
if
you
you
want
to
speak,
you
can
and
then
miss
gillespie
I'll.
Have
you
you
comment
and
give
us
your
thoughts
on
on
the
chambers
and
the
possibility
of
returning.
B
N
Well,
I
think
that
we
should
take
the
approach
that
the
school
district
is
taking
and
and
have
where
people
that
don't
wish
to
be
in
person
have
that
option,
but
right
now,
with
things
being
the
way
they
are,
a
lot
of
budget
cuts
a
lot
of
serious
hardcore
decisions.
I
think
that
you
know
it's
important,
that
we
are
in
the
room
and
be
able
to
have
conversations.
N
A
lot
of
conversations
are
prevented
from
us
being
on
video,
so
you
know
we
have
to
present
some
enormously
to
our
community,
and
you
know,
city
hall
is
open
for
the
community
to
do
business.
I
don't
understand
why
it's
not
open
for
us
to
do
the
local
government
business
as
well
in
the
chamber.
So
that's
my
two
cents
on
that.
T
H
T
Building
the
building
is
fully
open.
We
have
made
some
modifications
to
the
spacing
of
the
members
desk.
I
do
have
masks
available
for
each
member
coming
in.
I
also
have
sanitizing
wipes
to
clean.
T
The
problem
is
managing
a
bifurcated
meeting
without
the
appropriate
technology.
Now
we
had,
we
did
have
we
made
some
progress
with
looking
at
equipment
for
the
chambers,
but
then
we
had
a
setback
when
no
vendor
bid
on
that
particular
project.
T
So
we
still
will
be
trying
to
conduct
a
bifurcated
meeting
with
some
on
location
and
some
participating
remotely
with
legacy
equipment
and
that
could
potentially
be
difficult
and
then
cause
people,
the
question,
transparency
or
people
to
feel
that
maybe
they
wanted
to
speak
on
a
certain
point
and
our
workarounds
were
not
as
effective,
so
the
building
is
open.
T
You
can
come
in,
I
mean
if
leadership
and
the
council
makes
a
determination
that
they
want
to
resume
in
person
meetings,
that's
fine,
but
we
would
have
to
do
it
with
the
contact
tracing
in
mind,
so
everyone
that
was
physically
there,
your
name
your
address
we'd,
have
to
screen.
You
take
temperatures
before
you
came
in,
which
would
mean
that
people
would
have
to
get
there
early
enough
so
that
they
could
be
screened
and
have
their
temperatures
checked
before
they
participate
in
the
meeting.
T
So
those
are
just
some
things
that
we've
been
trying
to
take
into
consideration
in
anticipation
of
physically
meeting
again.
If
that
answers
your
question.
B
Thank
you,
mr
o'brien.
E
Yeah
I've
got
a
question.
My
understanding
is
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
put
put
the
equipment
thing
out
to
bid
by
allowing
the
bidder
to
modify
some
of
the
equipment.
So
maybe,
within
a
couple
of
months
we
might
have
much
more
up-to-date
equipment
which
could
handle
a
bifurcated
meeting
and
then
the
other
issue
is
even
if
you
got
the
council
members
desks
six
feet
apart
and
I'm
trying
to
imagine
how
that
how
that
would
look
the
the
people
attending
the
public?
E
T
E
T
First
serve
so
it's
the
same
thing
with
the
physical
maximum
occupancy,
if
you're
in
it
you're
able
to
participate
in
the
meeting.
But
if
you're
past
the
six
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
participate
physically
in
the
meeting.
However,
if
we
stream
it,
you
could
still
participate
online
and
we
would
encourage-
and
you
may
have
to
revisit
your
rules
or
procedure
like
we
would
encourage
people
to
submit
comments
in
writing.
Knowing
that
there
was
such
a
limited
occupancy
for
the
general
public
to
physically
come
in,
because
you
can
only
fit
six
people
in
there.
T
We
measured
it
out
and
and
for
the
general
public
to
sit
six
feet
from
the
members,
the
chairs
kind
of
form
like
a
zigzag
and
then
also
to
accommodate
for
the
media,
because
the
media
has
the
right
to
participate,
but
they'd
have
to
participate
on
the
other
side
of
the
that
bar
to
ensure
that
they
remain
six
feet
from
the
members
and
the
general
public
as
well.
E
So
so,
with
the
new
bidding,
the
the
revised
proposal
for
bidding
that
will
allow
us
to
put
in
bifurcated
equipment
such
that
we
could
have
a
meeting
in
the
chamber
and
the
public
could
participate
either.
Six
of
them
by
coming
to
the
chamber
or
by
by
remoting
into
our
meeting.
T
So
the
way
I
read
the
last
update
was
one
of
the
suggestions
where
we
look
at
the
items
that
were
recommended
by
the
committee,
the
peg
access
board
committee.
That
was
looking
at
updating
the
chamber
equipment
and
we
try
and
go
through
the
individual
contracts
that
the
city
has
with
say,
like
b
h,
products
and.
E
T
To
find
items
that
meet
the
need
of
the
council,
but
that
would
involve
us
going
through
looking
at
particular
items
and
then
seeing
if
there
they
were
compatible
it.
May
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
appropriate
determination
is.
We
can
go
through
and
review
and
try
and
identify
some
items
that
would
meet
the
need
of
the
council
or,
ideally
you
would
have
one
vendor.
T
You
know,
do
the
purchase
and
install
everything,
because
they'll
troubleshoot
they'll
make
sure
that
they're
no
compatible
issues
with
incompatibility
with
the
technology
that's
being
purchased,
and
I
didn't
think
anyone
had
made
a
final
determination,
because
the
way
I
read
that
email,
they
pushed
it
back
to
the
council
to
get
direction
to
see
which
way
the
council
wanted
to
to
proceed.
T
E
E
Well,
my
feelings:
my
feelings
were
to
take
your
recommendations
on
it,
which
means
not
conforming
to
the
specifications
that
were
originally
set
but
being
flexible,
maybe
going
to
a
bitter
that
the
city
is
more
accustomed
to
dealing
with
and
maybe
having
to
customize
the
equipment
for
this
bifurcation
of
some
by
remote.
Some
by
in
person,
though,
those
are
my
feelings-
and
I
could
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
meet
to
make
that
decision,
but
that's
what
I
would
recommend.
E
T
I
mean
I'm
not
making
that
determination.
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
make
everyone
aware
of
what
we
could
potentially
experience.
If
you
do
decide
to
do,
a
bifurcated
meeting
and
people
were
trying
to
participate
physically
in
person,
and
then
we
were
trying
to
have
others
use
zoom
and
participate
from
their
houses.
T
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there.
Ultimately,
it's
the
council's
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
you
make
the
determination
to
return.
We
are
constantly
looking
at
that
room
and
trying
to
identify
ways
to
keep
everyone
safe,
because
maintaining
safety
and
and
health
is
my
primary
priority.
So
I've
reached
out
to
other
municipalities
to
find
out
what
they're
currently
doing
and
as
I
identify
practices
that
would
improve
our
ability
to
maintain
safe
and
healthy.
I
try
and
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
leadership.
B
Right
and
the
health
and
safety
of
the
members
is
the
of
the
utmost,
important
importance
and
again.
I
think
that
would
mean
that
we
probably
have
to
do
the
bifurcated
meeting
in
order
to
allow
some
members
that
that
might
be
vulnerable
to
to
judy
and
then
tom.
J
Thank
you
kelly.
I
do
appreciate
how
hard
danielle
has
been
trying
to
problem
solve
this
and
was
in
the
chamber
and
saw
one
at
least
one
configuration
of
the
desks
and
would
have
some
concerns,
especially
if
any
of
the
council
members
would
take
off
a
mask
in
the
process
of
public
speaking,
and
I
think
that
that's
possible
that
some
people
might
opt
to
do
that,
in
which
case
the
you
know,
the
six
foot
distance
is
generally
not
considered
to
be
sufficient
when
somebody
is
speaking
loudly
kind
of
thing.
J
J
T
T
A
physical
tour
of
some
of
their
meeting
rooms
and
their
meeting
rooms
are
relatively
large,
but
my
one
consideration
would
be.
How
are
we
going
to
adequately
get
a
recording?
Are
we
going
to
have
a
videographer
come
in
and
follow
the
common
council
around
so
that
you
could
memorialize
the
meeting?
Are
we
gonna
go
back
to
audio
recordings,
because
I
don't
know
from
their
like
system
infrastructure
what
they
would
make
available
to
us?
T
If
they
would,
let
us
use
their
recording
system
or
if
we
have
to
bring
our
own
recording
to
account
for
members
that
are
speaking,
you
could
in
the
chambers
identify
a
space
and
they
could
be
handed
a
wireless
mic,
and
then
that
way
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
spittle
or
sputum,
possibly
hitting
towards
other
people.
T
J
H
H
Couldn't
we
do
something
like
that
and
maybe
even
figure
out
who
would
want
to
come
in
and
maybe
take
turns
where
you
know
one
meeting
this
group
comes
in
next
meeting
in
other
groups
comes
in
so
I
think
you
were
two
questions,
but
I'm
wondering
could
we
do?
You
know,
bring
our
ipad
or
our
iphone
in
and
just
zoom
from
our
desk
and
have
that
personal
thing
and
we'd
be
all
watching
at
the
same
time,.
T
We've
never
attempted
during
a
meeting
to
have
every
council
member
with
a
device
on
the
city's
network.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
could
potentially
be
connectivity
issues
and
then,
with
the.
If
you
have
turns
coming
in.
How
would
you
manage
presenters
because,
there's
times
when
people
will
come
in
and
want
to
present
during
the
common
council
meeting
so
logistic,
there's.
B
Right,
I
I
would
say
just
that
after
this
conversation,
it
doesn't
look
like
we're
quite
there
yet,
but
we
can
continue
to
to
explore
maybe
jenny
we
can
get
together
with
danielle
and
try
to
come
up.
There's
really
no
configuration.
I
have
a
lot
of
the
pictures
from
where
danielle
had
stuff
laid
out.
I
could
send
them
to
members,
so
they
could
see
him,
but
it's
just
it's.
It's
a
small
space
to
begin
with,
the
airflow
is
terrible.
B
It's
just
not
conducive
sound
wise
for
for
a
lot
of
things
we
want
to
do.
We
can
try
and
of
course,
maybe
have
a
further
conversation
with
danielle
about
trying
to
make
it
happen,
but
it's
it's.
It's
going
to
be
difficult.
T
The
other
thing
that
I
just
want
to
bring
to
everyone's
attention
is,
if
you're
wearing
masks
in
that
room
and
the
air
conditioner
is
on
in
the
actual
recording.
We
typically
turn
the
air
conditioner
off
during
the
meeting,
because
the
sound
quality
is
so
poor
in
there,
so
you
would
potentially
have
stifling
air
heat
and
a
mask
on.
I
mean
you
may
be
able
to
meet
in
person
again
once
you
head
into
a
cooler
season,
but
right
now
it's
hot
and
the
chambers
is
extremely
hot.
M
I
think,
but
and
that's
a
good
point-
maybe
it's
something
where
we
can
start
looking
at,
maybe
maybe
a
caucus
meeting
or
something
like
that
that
can
be
broadcast
where
there
that's
less
of
an
issue
for
public
comment.
We
can
just
ask
people
to
watch
or
send
in
public
comments,
but
something
where
we
can
I
mean.
Maybe
we
can
look
at
doing
other
meetings
person-to-person
so
that
we
actually
can
do
those
face-to-face
conversations
and
build
from
there.
N
So
I
just
would
like
to
add
it's
people
coming
into
city
hall
and
they're
meeting,
and
you
know
the
six
feet.
N
I
just
think
that
we're
we're
bringing
up
all
of
the
negatives
there's
a
lot
of
negatives
that
we
deal
with
when
we
meet
on
video
people,
not
everyone
that
wants
to
get
their
questions
in
get
their
questions
in
you
know.
I
think
that
we
have
to
really
take
a
serious
look.
You
know
the
the
school
districts
are
opening.
N
You
know,
people
are
are
moving
forward
and
it's
like
to
say
we
can't
do
this
because
of
you
know
x
a
number
of
reasons,
but
you
know
we
are
making
decisions
that
aren't
having
full
discussions
in
this
capacity
and-
and
I
just
think
that
we
really
need
to
take
a
hard
look
at
reconsidering
entering
back,
because
all
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
workers
are
experiencing
that
every
day
in
city
hall
and
so
like
it
would
be
a
difference
if
we
were
hearing
that
people
are
getting
sick.
N
We're
hearing
that
you
know
anytime,
somebody
comes
in
there
if
they
find
out
that
they
they
have
covet.
Everybody
that
come
in
contact
with
them
is
gonna
have
to
go
through
the
tracer
process
anyway.
So
like
some
of
the
things
that
we're
saying
as
why
we
can't
come
back,
are
things
that
people
have
to
deal
with
every
day.
This
is
a
part
of
our
new
life,
the
new
world.
N
So
I
I
just
think
that
it's
important
that
we
have
a
chance
to
meet
have
a
normal
meeting
again
these
meetings,
don't
they
aren't
normal.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
johnson,
so
with
that,
unless
someone
has
something
else,
I'm
like
to
make
a
motion
adjourn.
B
Thank
you.
Everyone
be
safe
and
talk
to
you
soon.