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B
Okay,
all
right:
okay,
welcome
everyone
to
the
wednesday
august,
12th
caucus
the
albany
common
council
jr.
Can
you
just
let
me
know
who's
who's
here
on
my
tablet,
for
the.
A
Record
sure
so
present
our
councilmember
o'brien
councilmember
obaigo
councilmember
ballerin
president
ellis
majority,
leader
farrell
councilmember
robinson
councilmember,
love,
councilmember,
dolce
councilmember,
conte,
councilmember,
frederick
guests
are
chief
hawkins
and
pete
sheehan
from
the
staff
part.
We
have
brett
williams,
senior
assistant,
corporation
council,
myself,
research,
council
and
danielle
gillespie
and
senior
legislative
aide,
michelle
andre
and
city
clerk,
daniel
gillespie.
B
Okay-
okay,
okay,
good!
Thank
you!
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
that
the
chiefs
got
to
be
someplace
else.
I
invited
him
here
to
kind
of
update
us
on
the
gun,
violence
and
talk
about
what
the
albany
police
department's
doing
to
contend
and
combat
this.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
the
chief
and
after
the
chief
speaks.
We'll
members
have
questions
that
you
think
you
can
ask
questions.
C
All
right
thanks,
councilman,
kimbrough
and
I'll,
be
quick
because
I'm
sure
there's
some
questions
for
me
regarding
some
of
this
stuff,
but
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
just
going
over
what
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
the
data
right
now
and
so
far
this
year
we've
had
10
homicides.
C
Our
violent
crimes
are
up
13,
our
property
crimes
are
down
15
and
overall,
our
crime
is
down
about
10,
but
of
course,
but
but
of
course,
the
part
that
gives
us
cause
for
concern
is
the
shootings
that
we've
had
in
the
city,
and
so
far
this
year
we've
had
92
people
shot
in
the
city
compared
to
95
25
this
time
last
year
and
we've
had
over
175
con
confirmed
shots
fired
last
year.
This
time
we
had
about
106,
we
had
about
65
and
of
those
shootings
that
we've
had
seven
of
them
resulted
in
homicides.
C
This
year,
we've
recovered
over
56
firearms
this
year,
so
we're
taking
guns
off
the
street
and
in
terms
of
how
we're
trending
right
now,
we
we
saw
a
substantial
increase
in
activity
right
around
may
of
this
year
and
that
coincided
with
covet
and
toward
the
end
of
may
with
the
civil
unrest
as
a
result
of
the
murder
out
in
minneapolis
with
george
george
floyd,
and
so
things
spiked
substantially
in
june,
and
we
continued
with
high
numbers
into
july,
and
now
the
numbers
are
starting
to
moderate.
Quite
a
bit.
C
One
of
the
things
that
has
given
us
some
cause
for
optimism
with
this
is
that
we're
starting
to
see
that
the
pace
of
the
activity
that
we've
seen
has
started
to
slow
dramatically.
C
For
example,
usually
during
this
time
of
year,
we
see
an
increase
in
activity,
a
significant
increase
in
activity
on
normal
summers
between
june
and
july,
actually
going
from
may
to
june
to
july,
usually
there's
a
significant
increase
in
activity
and
this
year
as
we're
starting
to
regroup
and
rebalance
we're
we
actually,
from
june
to
july,
we
actually
saw
activity
drop
substantially.
C
Now
we
still
again
any
violent
crime,
any
homicide
is,
is
one
too
many
and,
and
they
all
give
us
cause
for
concern,
but
when
we're
talking
about
how
we're
trending
and
how
we're
are
getting
ourselves
back
on
track.
After
those
events
that
we
had
those,
you
know
just
this
shocking
sequence
of
events
that
we
had
with
covet
and
with
the
civil
unrest
we're
starting
to
get
back
to
where
we
normally
would
be
in
terms
of
activity.
C
This
time
of
year,
we've
did
a
heat
map
of
where
the
activity
is
is
happening
and
the
activity
is
happening
in
pretty
much
two
or
three
or
four
different
areas
of
the
city.
We've
looked
at
our
response
times
to
the
activities
that
we've
seen
and
for
all
of
the
shootings
that
we've
had
in
the
city.
Our
response
times
were
und
the
average
response.
Time
was
under
two
minutes.
In
many
cases
it
was
zero
because
we
were
right
there
when
it
happened.
C
So
it's
showing
that
we
have
officers
who
are
in
the
areas
when
these
activities
are
occurring
and
and
again
in
many
cases
the
officers
are
right
there
in
in
in.
In
many
cases
the
officers
actually
witnessed
some
of
those
events
and
so
going
forward.
C
We
what
our
strategy
is,
is
to
simply
get
a
little
bit
more
active
in
terms
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
were
doing,
but
during
the
months
of
march
and
eight
mark
essentially
between
march
and
in
july
end
of
july,
we
had
fewer
active
type
things
that
we
were
doing
simply
because
it
wasn't
safe.
We
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
police
the
city
in
a
way
where
our
officers
would
not
infect
members
of
the
community
and
and
also
where
the
officers
would
mitigate
the
risk
of
the
officers
getting
infected.
C
We
had
to
be
very
careful
on
how
we
were
policing
during
this
period
of
time,
simply
because
there
was
a
very
tense
environment,
a
very
tense
atmosphere
and
so
we're
very
careful
about
how
we
were
interacting
with
our
community
during
that
period
of
time,
and
even
as
we
go
forward.
We're
very
aware
and
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
there's
it's
still
a
very
tense
atmosphere
out
there.
But
we
now
have
some
self-awareness
and
we
can.
We
have
plans
on
operating
in
the
environment
that
we
have
right
now.
C
So
those
are
the
numbers
you
know
again
out
in
there
because
I'm
sure
there's
some
questions
that
the
council
members
have
and
I'll
be
glad
to
take
those.
B
D
Thank
you
chief.
So
there
was
a
shooting
early
this
morning
and
I
know
that
was
kind
of
isolated,
but
there
was
a
shoot.
Was
there
another
shooting
this
afternoon.
C
Yeah
there
was,
there
was
one
so
right
right
around
two
or
three
o'clock,
or
so
I
don't
have
much
details
on
that
one,
but
yeah
you
know
fella
was
shot,
I
believe
in
his
leg,
non-life
threatening
apparently
from
what
he
told
the
officers.
He
knows
the
guy
who
shot
him.
C
D
Okay
and
where
was
it
at
uptown
or
downtown.
C
D
Okay,
so
I
just
got
one
of
the
questions.
Some
of
the
neighbors
are
saying
calling
me
over
the
weekend,
and
I
got
quite
a
few
calls
today.
They
want
to
know
why
is
there
not
officers
stationed
at
some
of
these
hot
spots.
C
And
right
now
we
have
some
out
there,
joyce
and
but
but
even
before
this
we've
periodically
over
over
the
last
year,
even
this
was
even
before
covet.
We've
had
officers
who
were
stationary
at
these
hot
spots.
Now
you
know
we
couldn't
do
it
as
as
we
all
know,
you
know,
for
a
prolonged
period
of
time,
but
over
this
past
year
over
this
past
year
doing
several
times,
we've
had
it.
In
fact,
we've
used
some
of
our
grant
funding
that
we
normally
use
for
other
things.
C
In
order
to
do
that,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
been
done
and
okay,
we'll
do
that.
You
know
when
it's
appropriate
going
forward.
Also.
E
G
Well,
question:
how
are
the
give
funds,
those
grant
funds
being
utilized
to
reduce
some
of
the
violent
activity
in
the
area.
C
But
usually
we
they're
over
time
details
for
officers,
and
so
we
usually
have,
if
there's
some
hot
spots,
for
example
like
what's
happening
right
now,
we'll
assign
officers
to
those
hot
spots
on
an
overtime
basis-
and
you
know
so-
we've
been
utilizing
those
quite
a
bit.
You
know.
Obviously
those
funds
are
not
unlimited,
so
you
know
they.
You
know
they
don't
go
on
for
a
long
period
of
time,
but
certainly
when
we
have
incidents
and
occasions
like
we're
dealing
with
right
now,
then
we
can
do
that.
C
G
Okay,
so
most
of
most
okay,
so
most
of
the
grant
funds
are
going
towards
overtime,
not
towards
any
type
of
programming
creation
of
new
programming
to
be
rolled
out
that
that's
just
what
I
know.
C
Yeah
well
not,
but
not
so
much
right
now,
right
now,
most
most
of
those
is
now
we've
again.
Some
of
those
funds
are
being
used
to
to
pay
salaries
for,
for
example,
our
you
are
our
violence
prevention
coordinator
and
some
of
the
some
other
staff
that
are
associated
with
that.
So
in
that
sense
they
they're
used
for
programming
in
in
a
way,
but
for
the
most
part,
when
we
have
some
when
we
have
those
funds,
some
of
those
excess
funds
we're
using
those
to
get
some
increased
presence
out
on
the
streets.
H
Thanks
chief
quick
question,
I
think
we
recently
got
a
staffing
report,
but
my
question
was:
what
is
your
your
current
level
of
staffing
or
the
current
status?
You
know
vis-a-vis
vacancies,
not
necessarily
including
those
officers
in
the
academy,
and
how
is
that
impacting
your
ability
to
deal
with
the
current
situation.
C
C
We
started
out
at
the
academy
with
30
and
now
we're
down
to
22.
and
what
I
understand,
those
22
that
we
have
are
22
solid
candidates
and
we're
creating
those
remaining
candidates.
Without
the
academy,
the
academy
ends
in
january
of
2021,
and
immediately
after
that
academy
finishes,
the
plan
is
to
start
another
one
right
on
the
heels
of
that
one,
with
a
larger
class.
C
C
So
you
know
having
some
talks
with
city
administration.
The
plan
is
once
we
start
this
new
academy
class
we
want
to
hire
a
few.
More
is
what
we
were
actually
planning
in
anticipation
of
a
true
description
during
the
academy
and
in
terms
of
how
has
it
impacted
it,
it
has
impacted
our
staffing
on
the
road
one.
You
know
just
like
councilman
robinson
talked
about
one
of
the
things
that
has
helped
is
that
we've
had
some
ability
to
pay
overtime
to
officers,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
same
amount.
I
C
Offices
role
that
we
would
have
if
we
were
fully
staffed
and
in
addition,
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
some
help
from
the
sheriff's
department
and
from
the
state
police
to
help
augment
some
of
our
staffing.
As.
H
A
well
question
just
an
observation
on
the
number
of
officers.
You
started
with
the
academy
of
30
or
down
at
22.,
and
I
I
guess
understand
that
you
sometimes
lose
people
along
the
way
is
that
is
there
any
particular
reason
why
you
lost
eight
recruits,
or
is
that
number
something
a
normal
attrition
that
you
would
have
experienced,
or
is
there
something
else
going
on.
C
We
have,
if
we
start
with
30,
then
you
know
norm.
We
would
expect
to
lose
three
or
four.
Maybe
five
is
typically
that's
what
our
attrition
rate
is.
This
one,
I
think,
is
a
little
unusual
because
some
of
these
recruits
were
leaving
because
they
in
our
exit
interviews
with
them.
They
just
simply
said
that
this
wasn't
the
job
for
them.
They
said
it
was
different
than
they
anticipated.
C
I
think
that
these
recruits
coming
on
board
at
a
time
when
there's
the
civil
unrest,
there's
the
increased
tension
between
police
and
communities
and
they're,
seeing
this
stuff
amplified,
even
more
so
than
they
normally
would
and
now
they're
right
in
it.
I
think
that
caused
a
few
of
those
recruits
to
have
some
cause.
C
So
right
now
it's
a
complicated
situation
and
with
recruiting,
because
it's
tough
to
convince
a
lot
of
our
young
people
right
now.
It
particularly
our
young
people
of
color
to
want
to
enter
this
profession
at
this.
C
F
E
F
Thank
you
chief.
I
have
a
question
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
derek
johnson
and
then
let's
do
nani
chief.
You
know
you
gave
stats
and
we
understand
that.
But
when
we
look
at
hearing
from
you,
you
know
stats
are
stats.
What
we
want
to
hear
is
more
concrete
effort
on
how
are
we
tackling
this
recent
uptick
in
violence,
even
though
the
stats
may
say
one
thing,
it's
the
the
feeling
of
not
of
people
not
being
confident
that
they,
their
kids
can
go
outside.
F
This
business
is
not
feeling
confident
that
nothing's
going
to
happen
to
their
business,
so
you
know
we
can
appreciate
the
stats,
but
that
stats
aren't
going
to
help
the
confidence
of
our
citizens
in
this
city.
So
what
what
I
think
citizens
who
want
to
hear
is-
and
I'm
this
is
my
question-
we
have
the
state
and
sheriffs
in
our
city.
How
are
we
deploying
them?
How
are
we
using
them?
I
know
council
members.
F
I
think,
mr
mr
robinson,
at
one
time,
because
we
keep
saying
we're
down
officers,
but
we
have
reinforcements
from
the
sheriff's
department.
How
are
we
deploying
them?
Are
we
deploying
them
at
our
hot
spots?
How
are
I
think
people
want
to
hear
that?
How
are
we
deploying
the
resources
that
came
from
the
sheriff's
office
and
the
state
police,
and
and
how
are
they
being
effective,
helping
out
with
with
these
issues
that
are
happening
because
people
want
to
know
what
are
we
actively
doing
like?
F
How
are
we
actively
staffing,
how
we
actively
making
sure
certain
patrols
in
certain
areas?
Those
are
the
things
people
want
to
hear
about,
to
make
them
feel
comfort.
Make
them
have
confidence
that
things
are
really
happening,
and
so
that's
my
question:
how
are
we
deploying
the
sheriffs
and
the
state
police
who
are
in
our
city
and
how
are
we
using
them.
C
So
the
sheriff's
again
every
shift
they
provide,
I
believe
it's
either
six
or
seven
deputies
per
shift
and
those
deputies
are
teamed
up
with
albany
officers,
so
they're
riding
as
double
units
with
the
officers,
and
so
that
gives
us
a
couple
of,
if
so,
for
every
every
scene
or
every
call
for
service
or
every
sort
of
activity
that
those
officers
are
involved
in.
C
It
gives
us
more
police
presence
during
those
times,
and
it
also
in
a
way
helps
us
with
with
the
forcing
of
overtime
or
what
we
call
the
immersing
of
officers
it
it.
It
mitigates
those
pressures,
so
we
because
we
always
we,
because
we
usually
have
minimum
staffing
with
our
officers
because
of
this
extra
help
that
we
have
with
with
the
deputies
and
with
the
troopers.
C
So
it
helps
in
that
sense,
so
we
have
officers
who
are
who
are
fresher
in
that
sense,
but
it,
but
it
it
also
when
you're
talking.
What
are
we
doing
specifically
in
order
to
address
some
of
these
things?
One
thing
that
is
is
very
important
for
the
community
to
know
that
we're
identifying
the
individuals
who
were
involved
in
the
violence
and
we're
picking
those
individuals
off
the
street.
C
And
we
have
been
very
successful
over
the
last
month
and
a
half
and
having
some
very
significant
key
arrests
of
violent
people
in
the
community.
That
tends
to
calm
some
things
and
it
seems
tends
to
send
a
message
to
others
that
there
are
consequences
for
that
sort
of
behavior
and
and
we're
making
sure
that.
C
This,
where
this
activity
is
occurring
now,
I
understand
that
there
is
some
concern
about
police
presence
and
and
some
particularly
in
some
of
these
hot
spots,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
know
I
know
data
doesn't
tell
the
story
and-
and
I
and
I.
C
A
whole
lot
when
messaging
about
some
of
these
things,
but
the
data
really
does
say
something
in
that
case,
because
when
you
look
at
our
response
times
to
the
violence,
the
shootings
that
we've
seen
in
our
community
we're
there
within
less
than
120
seconds
and
in
many
cases
we
were
right
there
when
it
happened,
and
so
what
that
tells
me
is
that
the
officers
are
there.
We've
got
officers
in
the
hot
spots,
we've
got
officers
who
are
actually
patrolling
in
these
areas
where
we're
seeing
this
increased
activity.
C
You
know
these
individuals
obviously
are
very
brazen.
In
some
cases
they
didn't
even
know
the
officers
were
there.
Sometimes
they
you
know.
Obviously
they
would
wait
until
the
officers
went
around
the
corner
and
then
they
would
do
what
they
had
to
do,
but,
for
example,
in
the
latest
shooting
at
first
and
quail
about
five
to
ten
minutes
before
that
shooting
occur,
you
can
see
an
officer
right
down
the
street
right
in
the
right
in
that
area
where
that
shooting
occurred,
so
officers
are
there.
C
We've
had
several
incidents
where
the
officers
actually
witnessed
a
shooting
and
took
people
into
custody,
and
so-
and
so
you
know,
council,
president
ellis,
you
know
when
I.
F
Think,
well,
I
do
have
a
follow-up
to
to
that.
Our
officers
ride
alone
sheriff's
ride
along.
Why
are
they?
Why
are
they
teaming
up?
Why
aren't
they
riding
to
have
more
cars
out
there,
sheriffs
could
ride
alone.
Albany
officers
can
ride
alone
because
our
officers
do
ride
alone.
So
why
would
we
if
we
have
more
manpower?
Why
would
we
put
them
in
two
in
one
car
and
not
have
one
in
each
car
which
would
create
more
cars
and
more
presence.
C
What
is
the
reasoning
for
that
two
reasons
for
that
number
one,
especially
as
we
were
coming
off
the
civil
unrest
that
we
had
after
that
murder
out
in
minneapolis,
the
streets
were
very
tense.
They
were
heightened
emotions,
and
so
a
decision
was
made
that
we
wanted
officers
doubled
up
safer
was
it
was.
It
was
safer
for
officers.
It
was
safer
for
the
community
to
have
if
they
called
for
service
to
have
two
officers
who
were
responding
together.
C
C
These
are
these
are
officers
who
who
aren't
familiar
with
the
city?
They
don't
have
that
same
type
of
training
and
and
an
appreciation
for
what's
happening
in
this
city
as
officers
who
are
trained
in
the
city
of
albany.
So
we
wanted
those.
We
wanted,
those
deputies
and
those
troopers
riding
with
officers
so
that
we
can
provide
better
level
of
service
and
not
and
not
compromise
police
community
relations
by
having
officers
who
are
not
from
here
being
point
of
contact
with
issues
in
the
city.
F
Well,
I
you
know
I
I
can
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
that's
a
discussion.
We,
we
should
figure
out
with
the
sheriff's
department
to
figure
out
how
we
can
have
people
more
people
on
the
streets
and
not
to
in
a
car
with
that
being
said,
mr
johnson.
K
Yes,
council
president,
thank
you
chief
hawkins
how
you
doing
this
evening.
I'm.
C
K
Good,
how
you
doing
councilman
johnson
all
right,
I
just
want
to
follow
up
with
council
president.
The
point
that
he
made
is
because
a
lot
of
times
we
hear
two
different
stories.
You
know
you
say
seconds
right,
but
I
just
got
a
call
today
about
the
shooting
on
third
ass
and
they
called
about
the
car
that
got
shot
up
and
the
people
didn't
come
into
the
next
morning.
So
it's
different.
It's
different
things
that
you
hear.
K
I
wasn't
there,
so
I
can't
say,
as
a
matter
of
fact
what
happened,
but
it's
just
you
know
it's
interesting
that
it's
always
two
different
stories.
You
know
the
story
that
you
hear
from
the
actual
person
that's
going
through
it
and
then
the
story
that
we
hear
in
response
to
our
the
concerns
that
we
share.
But
one
of
the
questions,
the
main
question
that
I
wanted
to
ask
was:
how
much
does
it
cost
to
put
someone
through
the
academy?
K
How
much?
How
much
does
it
cost
the
city
to
put
someone
through
the
academy.
C
C
It
would
be
whatever
you
know,
utility
costs
or
another
cost
associated
with
the
rental
of
the
building
that
we
have
right
now
and
I
would
I
would
have
to
actually
tabulate
that
cost
now.
Typically,
if,
if
you're
sending
officers
to
an
outside
place
for
an
academy,
you're
talking
anywhere
between
seven
to
nine
thousand
dollars,
usually
to
have
recruits
train
outside.
K
So,
thank
you
for
that
number
all
right,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
looking
at
is
because
sometimes
I
hear
people
don't
take
the
job
because
they
take
a
job
somewhere
else
and
I'm
looking
to
see
if
we
could
start
talking
about
a
non-compete
clause
for
for
us
spending
money
investing
money
into
folks
and
you
know
within.
K
However
many
weeks
they
have
a
change
of
heart.
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
conversation
about
the
city
being
able
to
receive
some
type
of
repayment,
because
we
are
investing.
You
know,
knowledge
and
money
into
individuals
that
we're
not
gonna
get
back
and
if
they're
just
you
know,
choosing
to
go,
find
employment
somewhere
else.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
would
be
you
know
protective
of
the
city
and
then
also
send
a
stern
message
that
you
know
we're
expecting
you
to.
K
You
know
work
for
the
city,
I
know
a
lot
of
industries,
they
have
non-compete
causes
and
you
know
it.
It
protects
and
it
helps-
and
you
know
to
hear
people
so
interested
in
the
job.
And
then
you
know,
and
and
you
know
I
guess
we
don't
want
the
wrong
people
out
there,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
use
taxpayers
money
in
the
in
the
wrong
way
either.
K
So
I
was
hoping
that
that's
something
that
could
be
taken
into
consideration
so
that
we're
not
looking
at
losing.
You
know
50
plus
thousand
each
class.
C
C
They
never
have
to
train
an
officer
because
they
put
out
you
know,
because
their
pay
is
so
much
higher
than
some
of
the
surrounding
agencies.
You
know
when
they
put
out
a
posting
for
a
police
officer
position,
they're
just
hiring
lateral
officers.
You
know
they
never
have
to
put
anybody
through
the
police
cabin,
so
we
train
them
and
other
departments
train
them
and
they
go
to
some
of
these
other
places.
And
so
I
yes,
I
agree.
Really
it's
very
very.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Police
chief
hawkins
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
responses
relates
to
any
type
of
shooting
that
occur
in
the
city.
Your
responsiveness
to
letting
elected
officials
in
those
respective
neighborhoods
know
mike.
I
have
a
few
questions.
My
first
one
is
more
so
relates
to.
Is
there
anything
that
you
believe
that
the
mayor
could
be
doing
more
of
to
assist
with
your
effort
to
address
gun
violence.
C
I
can't
think
of
anything
more
than
america
can
do.
The
mayor
has
supported
me
with
whatever
I
need,
and
you
know
the
issues
that
we're
seeing
with
gun
violence.
L
C
L
Okay,
why
are
these
incidents
occurring
with
such
frequency?
What
can
the
city
do
more
of
to
prevent
these
moving
forward.
C
Well,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
the
frequency
of
it.
You
know
a
lot
of
it
is
because
there
was
such
a
void
on
the
streets
for
almost
three
months,
and
we
had
individuals
who
decided
to
to
take
up
some
fuse
that
they
had
with
others,
and
there
were
no
witnesses
on
the
streets
and
the
police
officers
had
minimal
contact
because
of
covet.
C
There
was,
you
know
right
on
the
heels
of
that
we
had
civil
unrest
that
changed
the
dynamic
between
policing
and
members
of
the
community
and
it
changed
policing
styles.
So
there
is
a
very
complicated
mix
of
factors
that
happen
that
that
contributed
to
this,
and
then
we
look
into
some
of
the
social
causes
of
what
we're
seeing.
You
know:
here's
you're
the
fact
of
the
matter.
We
have
yeah
and
it's
primarily
young
men.
C
The
law
enforcement
itself
cannot
solve
that
type
of
problem.
Now
we
can
be
a
huge
part
of
it
by
identifying
those
very
violent
ones
and
taking
them
off
the
street,
making
sure
we
have
police
presence
in
order
to
deter
activity
and
making
sure
we
have
good
community
relations
to
make
to
so
that
we
can
share
information
with
the
good
people
in
the
community
to
address
it,
but
we
have
an
extremely
violent
element,
an
extremely
violent
and
undisciplined
element
out
there
that
are
trying
to
execute
each
other
and
we've
seen
it
these.
You
know
these.
C
These
aren't
normal
shootings
that
we're
seeing
in
a
lot
of
these
cases.
These
are
individuals
who
have
executed
other
young
men
in
our
streets.
So
what
can
we?
What
can
we
do
to
address
it?
Well,
we
can
continue
doing
what
we're
doing
and
that's
why
you
know
the
point
well
taken
council.
President
ellis,
you
know
the
numbers
don't
tell
the
story,
but
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
this
whole
issue
we
have
to.
C
C
But
people
want
to
know
just
like
council
just
like
council
president
ella
said
people
want
to
know
that
something
is
happening,
and
one
piece
of
something
is
happening
is
what
are
we
seeing
in
terms
of
frequency
of
violence,
and
so
that's
a
part
of
it.
So
we've
got
to
look
at
that
part
of
it
and
so
we're
making
some
progress
not
nearly
enough,
but
because
of
the
way
that
we're
trending
right
now.
I'm
confident
that
we'll
be
back
to
where
we
normally
would
be
during
this
time
of
year.
L
Also
chief,
what
would
have
to
happen
how
many
shootings,
how
many
deaths
would
it
have
to
take
for
us
to
declare
a
state
of
emergency
here
in
the
city
of
albany
and
just
say
admit
that
this
is
out
of
our
hands?
This
is
out
of
our
control.
C
C
That's
why
it's
important
to
me
to
see
how
are
we
trending
what
what
exactly
is
happening?
We
know
anecdotally
that
things
are
bad.
You
know
I
hear
it.
You
all
hear
it.
People
are
concerned
anytime.
We
have
a
shooting
in
a
homicide,
they're
rightfully
unsettled
by
that,
but
we
need
to
know
exactly
what
is
happening.
Where
are
we
going
if
we're
trending
in
a
way
where
is
it
is
the
trajectory
is
where
we're
out
of
control,
then
I
think
we
may
have
to
have
that
conversation.
C
We're
not
that's
not
how
our
trend
line
is
right.
Now
we're
trending
in
a
way
where
we're
clearly
clearly
moving
back
in
terms
of
activity
to
where
we
were
pre-covered,
and
that.
C
You
know
that
sequence
of
events
that
we
had
you
know
three
months
ago
or
so
it
really
shook.
I
mean
you
know
it
shook
every
sector
of
our
society
and
you
know
every
everybody's
operating
differently
and
it
certainly
shook
the
way
we
operated
and
it
certainly
shook-
and
it
certainly
impacted
opportunists,
because
that's
how
that's
who
some
of
these
young
men
are
that
are
involved
in
this
violence?
C
They're
opportunists,
you
know
they
waited
for
an
opportunity
to
get
vengeance
on
in
a
very
horrific
way
against
others
and
and
now
we're
starting
to
rebalance,
as
we
can
police
safely,
as
we
can
now
get
out
and
engage
a
little
bit
more
now.
Officers
are
now
getting
out
of
the
cars
and
going
back
to
foot
patrols
like
we
were
doing
before
we're
engaging
more
with
members
of
the
community
we're
starting
to
see
things
trend
in
a
positive
direction.
L
L
Also
president's
question
that
was
asked
as
it
relates
to
presence
in
certain
communities.
As
a
council
member
representing
the
pineal
neighborhood,
I
tell
my
constituents
that
we
don't
have
the
same
frequency
as
certain
neighborhoods
in
the
city,
so
most
of
the
police
resources
are
being
dedicated
to
those
communities
and
then
I
come
to
council
meetings,
and
I
hear
that
you
know.
Council
members
feel
that
there's
not
enough
police
presence.
There
is
not
police
presence
in
their
community
it.
L
You
know,
as
it
relates
to
like
making
sure
that
there's
an
illusion
or
even
the
presence
of
police
officers.
What
do
you
think
that
your
department
could
do
better
to
show
that
there
are
foot
patrol
police
officers
not
just
driving
around
but
there's
foot
patrol?
And
what
is
the
morale
within
the
police
department
right
now?.
C
Well,
morale
is,
is
pretty
tough,
I
mean
you
know
it's
I
mean
I
wouldn't
say
it's
rock
bottom,
but
certainly
you
know
the
events
that
have
occurred
have
impacted.
You
know
how
how
officers
feel
you
know
we
have
officers
who
feel
like
their
industry
is
under
siege.
You
know
we,
you
know
I
and
and
other
good
officers
that
are
around.
We
all
condemn
bad
behaviors.
We
do
what
we
can
to
impact
the
environment
and
you
know
the
dynamics
within
our
department
so
that
we
can
relate
more
better
with
our
community
and
when
bad
things
happen.
C
You
know
some
of
my
officers
feel
like
they're
under
siege
and
and
they
see
the
unfairness
in
that
piece
of
it,
but
they're
still
going
out
there
they're
still
working.
You
know,
as
we
see
from
my
response
times
when
things
are
happening,
they're
right
there
we're
still
making
arrests
even
when
times
were
tense
and
even
when
they
it
was
an
extremely
emotional
atmosphere.
You
know
the
officers
were
still
out
there.
C
That
councilman,
because
whenever
I
go
to
my
stations,
that's
one
of
the
things
I
always
ask
you
know
these
officers.
You
know
I
try
to
ask
them
informally
how
they
feel
you
know
how
they
deal
with
what's
happening
out
here.
You
know
we're
losing
officers
to
retirement
because
many
of
them
say
that
you
know
this.
You
know
they
just
don't
like
what's
happening
with.
You
know,
with
law
enforcement
right
now
and
how
law
enforcement
is
perceived,
and
things
like
that.
C
So
I
want
to
know-
and
most
of
the
officers
tell
me
that
you
know
things
are
tough,
but
you
know
they're
they're
good.
You
know
they.
You
know
their
spirits
are
okay
in
in
your
question
about
how
can
we
you
know?
Let
people
know
that
there
is
presence
in
all
areas
of
the
city
and
what's
happening.
I
think
you
know
just.
I
think
the
thing
we
can
do
better
is
articulating
clearly
to
members
in
our
community.
Exactly
what
we're
doing
I.
C
I
don't
think
that
that
many
members
in
the
community
know
that
our
response
times
are
so
low
for
some
of
these
violent
incidents.
I
don't
think
they
know
how
our
officers
are
deployed.
I
don't
think
they
know
that
you
know
exactly
how
how
and
where
these
officers
are
being
deployed,
and
so
I
think,
edu
you
know
education
and
articulating
clearly
to
members
of
the
community.
We're
doing
is
something
that
we
clearly
can
do
better.
F
Thanks
chief,
we
have
miss
fredericks
and
then
we
have
mr
ballerin
and
then.
I
M
So
a
lot
of
the
recent
arrests
have
publicized
the
compensation
company,
the
finding
of
firearms.
Forgive
me
and
I'm
just
curious
since
the
last
update,
do
you
have
any
insights
as
to
where
those
firearms
are
coming
from
or
are
they
are
the
perpetrators?
The
owners
of
those
firearms.
C
Last
time
we
did
an
analysis
of
that.
We
found
that
most
of
those
fire,
the
firearms
that
we've
been
confiscating,
are
actually
from
the
state
of
new
york.
Now
before
I
I
ordered
this
now
this
analysis,
I
anticipated
that
we
were
going
to
see
a
flood
of
weapons
from
outside
the
state
that
have
ended
up
in
the
hands
of
some
of
these
bad
people
that
were
using
them.
C
But
but
that's
not
what
the
data
is
telling
us
is,
you
know,
in
many
cases
these
are
weapons
that
are
legally
owned
and
and
were
either
unlocked,
un
inappropriately
or
unlawfully
taken
from
owners,
either
either
stolen
or
in
many
cases,
we're
seeing
relatives
and
friends
who
ended
up
with
weapons
that
were
legally
owned
and
registered
and
the
you
know
and
the
owners
of
those
weapons
didn't
know,
but
you
know,
but
clearly
you
know
like
the
ak-47
that
we
took
off
the
street
yesterday.
C
That
raises
some
serious
cause
for
concern,
because
that's
you
know,
that's
you
know
from
what
I
understand.
It's
not
yeah
that
we
think
that
weapon
may
have
been
stolen,
but
we're
still
checking
that
out,
but
we
we
have
some
very
strong
ties
with
the
atf
and
the
dea
in
order
to
help
us
to
with
this
whole
thing
the
atf,
because
that's
what
they
specialize
in
with
the
weapons,
and
so
if
we
have
weapons
who
are
that
are
being
that
originate
in
the
state
of
new
york.
C
Atf
can
be
extremely
helpful
in
us,
hoping
to
track
them
down
and
help
help
get
those
weapons
off
the
street
and
some
of
the
other
federal
law
enforcement
agencies.
If
we
actually
have
weapons
that
are
crossing
state
lines,
there
were
a
couple
of
weapons
that
we
have
that
we
had
confiscated
last
year
that
came
from
as
far
away
as
georgia.
N
Thank
you,
president
ellis,
and
thank
you
steve
hawkins
for
being
here.
I
kind
of
my
first
question
was
to
piggyback
on
something
that's
already
been
said.
The
biggest
concern
that
I
get
the
biggest
issue
I
get
when
it
comes
to
public
safety
is
that
a
lot
of
people
feel
they
don't
see
the
presence
of
officers
on
the
streets,
and
I
know
we
have
officers
driving
and
so
forth.
N
But
I
know
we
had
a
goal
or
a
new
set
of
goal
for
us
to
have
a
heavier
foot
patrol
presence
on
our
city,
and
I
wanted
to
know
where
we
are
on
that
goal
and
if
we
are
trending
in
making
that
as
a
success
story
versus
going
back
to
the
old
ways.
N
C
Yeah,
one
of
the
programs
that
we
were
very
excited
about
was
the
implementation
of
the
of
having
regular
patrol
officers
being
mandated
to
spend
20
minutes
every
shift
walking
the
beat
in
which
they
are
geographically
assigned
and
prior
to
covet
that
that
was
happening
and
it
was,
it
was
very
well
received.
C
You
know
it
was
some
resistance
from
some
of
the
officers
to
get
out
of
the
cars,
but
you
know
after
after
a
while
it
became
just
part
of
their
jobs
and,
quite
frankly,
I
think
they
enjoyed
it.
You
know
to
be
able
to
just
get
out,
and
you
know
get
out
of
that
squad
car
for
a
period
of
time
and-
and
it
gave
just
like
you
said
more
of
a
sense
of
presence
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods,
and
so
that
program
is
still
in
effect.
C
We
have
not
been
doing
it
so
much
because
of
covet
and
the
civil
unrest
that
that
followed
that,
but
now
we're
getting
back
into
that.
So
we'll
see
more
pres,
more
of
a
presence
of
officers
on
foot
in
our
neighborhoods
and
that's
in
combination
with
our
regular
beat
officers
and
neighborhood
engagement
officers
as
well.
F
Is
that
it,
mr
bowen,
missed
o'shea,
no.
N
I
I'm
sorry
I
I
wanted
to
also
ask
a
question
about
the
arrest.
I
I
there
was
7
57,
arrests
and.
N
There
were
92
people
shot.
How
many
of
those
57
of
us
had
were
connected
to
those
92
people
that
were
injured.
C
So
those
57
arrests
represent
the
arrests
for
gun
related
crimes,
and
so
we
had
actually
174
gun,
related
gun,
related
incidents
and
of
those
70
roughly
70
were
actually
shooting
incidents,
and
so
it's
a
combination
of
both
it's
a
combination
of
those
who
have
been
shot
and
also
the
regular
confirmed
shots
fired
that
we've
had.
O
I
I
I've
been
in
the
city
for
over
40
years
and
I've
never
been
so
concerned
for
the
city.
I
have
lived
in
the
south
end
in
sheridan
hollow
arbor
hill
served
on
the
school
board.
There
has
never
been
a
time
in
which
I
have
I
have
kind
of
the
idea
of
people
being
concerned
about
walking
in
any
area
of
the
city
and
now
I'm
very
concerned
about
our
residents
and
our
children
being
able
to
feel
safe,
walking
outside
of
their
homes.
O
I
am
very,
I
remain
very
concerned,
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
and
the
mayor
and
the
entire
police
department
to
think
creatively
and
you
collaborate
with
others.
You
know
that
you're
doing
that,
but
there
should
be
no
let
up
until
we
really
feel
confident
that
people
can
walk
outside
their
homes
again
and
have
their
children
playing
in
the
streets
and
on
playgrounds
and
and
any
daycare
centers
can
be
safe.
O
O
On
I
believe
on
like
myrtle
and
lake,
and
you
know
that
has
been
reported
online
people
are
expressing
their
concerns
to
me.
O
I
think
we
should
be
concerned
wherever
the
violence
is
happening,
but
this
in
particular,
there's
always
been
a
little
bit
of
a
mystery
to
me
that
the
city
doesn't
want
to
acknowledge
the
existence
of
gangs
and
their
modus
operandi
and
their
recruitment
mechanisms
and
and
and
the
potential
need
for
approaching
things
differently.
O
If
we
are
having
gangs
that
are
especially
not
just
local
but
national
and
or
you
know,
statewide
and
migrating
from
other
places,
et
cetera.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
interested
in
knowing
is
it?
What
does
the
city?
What
does
the
apd
know
about
games
operating
in
the
area?
Has
there
been
an
uptick
in
that
kind
of
activity,
and
what
are
we
doing
about?
Who
are
we
working
with?
What
are
we
doing
about
it?
And
and
how
do
we
protect
our
youth
from
being
recruited
into
things.
C
And
you
know
I
really
I
I
don't
have
a
problem.
If
what
we
call
them,
we
can
call
them
gangs,
we
can
call
them
groups,
we
can
call
them
whatever
we
want.
We
we
have
enough.
We
have
an
idea
of
who's
involved
in
the
violence
in
the
community.
C
C
Sometimes
they
the
the
source,
is
some
facebook
or
social
media
disrespect.
Sometimes
it's
drugs.
Sometimes
it's
a
feud
that
happened
five
or
ten
years
ago.
You
know
we're
dealing
with
something
right
now
and
we
suspect
that
the
source
of
one
of
our
recent
shootings
was
some
something
that
happened
about
five
years
ago.
C
We
have
from
what
I
understand,
I'm
getting
intelligence
that
there
there
are
some
individuals
coming
from
outside
of
our
city
that
want
to
establish
to
reestablish
some
drug
turf
in
in
our
city.
A
lot
of
it
revolves
around
marijuana,
and
so
we
can
call
it
gangs.
I
don't
have
a
problem:
if
people
want
to
call
it
a
game,
we
can
call
it
a
game,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
these:
are
young
men.
C
C
I
don't
think
that
we're
seeing
what
we
traditionally
see
you
know
when
we
saw
bloods
and
crips
and
stuff
like
that,
and-
and
you
know
the
gangster
disciples
in
chicago-
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
so
it's
not
so
formal
is.
Is
that
that
that
we're
seeing
they
may
call
them
if
you're,
seeing
some
graffiti
in
some
of
your
areas,
some
club
blood
related
graffiti
in
your
area.
You
know,
I
have
somebody
take
a
look
at
it.
You
know
and
again
it's
it's.
C
C
This
is
the
one
group
that
commit
committed
some
acts
of
violence.
Two
weeks
later
it
may
be
two
or
three
different
people
with
them.
They
have
a
different
source
of
their
their
their
feud,
and
so
so
it's
very
fluid
and
very
different.
But
you
know
you
know
councilwoman,
I
you
know
we
can
call
her
again.
C
That's
fine
fact
of
the
matter
is
you
know,
we've
got
to
do
what
we're
doing
right
now
and
that's
identifying
who
these
individuals
are
and
taking
the
violent
ones
off
the
street,
because
what
we've
consistently
seen
is
that
we
can
people
environments
the
most
violent
off
the
street
calms
the
streets,
it
it.
It
is
a
message
to
some
of
the
others
that
there
are
consequences
for
that
behavior-
and
you
know
quite
frankly,
over
these
last
three
months
or
so
for
some
of
the
hardcore
violent
young
men
that
were
that
are
out
there.
C
C
You
know
it's
just
that
there
were
some
conditions
that
happened,
that
nobody
had
control
over
and
it
took,
and
it
took
some
time
to
be
able
to
safely
get
back
into
this,
and-
and
you
know
in
with
this,
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
always
talk
about-
what's
happening
in
other
places,
because,
as
somebody
you
know,
that's
been
in
the
city
quite
a
while
has
you
know
told
me
and
enlightened
me,
you
know
people
aren't
so
interested
in.
You
know
they
want
to
know
what's
happening
in
albany.
C
How
are
we
going
to
tell
things
in
auburn?
You
know
what
you
know:
they're,
not
so
necessarily
concerned
about
dallas
and
chicago
and
some
of
those
other
places,
and
I'm
I'm
aware
of
that.
But
I
think
that
we
also
have
to
understand
we're
dealing
with
this
issue
right
now
that
this
is
a
phenomenon
that
is
happening
in
urban
areas
across
the
state
of
new
york
and
across
the
country.
C
There
are
some
underlying
issues
that
are
impacting
similar
cities
and
it
shook
cities
just
like
ours,
all
across
the
country,
and
it's
so
it's
it's
not
unique
to
us.
I
think
that
we
have
a
solution
in
a
way
of
addressing
this.
That
is
better
than
other
cities,
because
we've
got
some
strong
networks
in
our
city.
We've
got
very,
very
strong
intelligence.
C
They
don't
want
to
hear,
hear,
there's
rainbows
and
blue
skies
everywhere,
but
I
think
that
it's
important
for
our
people
in
the
city
to
understand
that
there
we
understand
what
the
issues
are.
We,
you
know
our
challenges
were,
and
we
have
a
system
in
place
now
to
adjust
to
those
challenges
and
we're
seeing
it
in
the
data
seeing
it
in
the
activity
and
it's
clearly
trending
in
a
way
that
I'm
confident
that
we'll
be
back
in
terms
of
activity
to
where
we
normally
are
real.
Soon.
O
So
that's
that's
one
I'd
like
to
understand
why
why
that
is
not
perceived
as
a
potential
consequence
consequence
of
this,
and
the
second
thing
is
I'd
really
like
to
know
more
about
the
ak-47
where
that
came
from
what
we
know
about
the
person
who
was
in
possession
of
that
with
regard
to,
is
that
somebody
local
they
acquire
it
locally?
O
O
C
Yeah
I'll
get
you
to
follow
up
on
that,
but
just
briefly
about
that
ak-47
local
residents,
so
both
of
the
individuals
who
were
arrested
lived
in
in
that
area
and
we're
trying
to
track
down
right
now,
where
exactly
that
weapon
came
from
ownership
and
things
like
that.
So
I'll
I'll
have
more
follow-up
with
that.
But
the
second
thing
about
that
arrested
that
ak-47.
That
was
another
example
of
officers
actually
being
on
the
scene.
C
We
got
a
call
of
a
of
shots
fired
or
someone
who
was
potentially
preparing
themselves
to
shoot
a
weapon
and
officers
were
right
there
and
in
fact
they
were
so
close
that
as
they
rolled
up
on
the
scene
within
seconds,
they
saw
that
the
the
two
young
men
that
were
involved
walking
behind
that
resonance
and
putting
that
weapon
into
a
garbage.
Can
they
actually
watched
him?
Do
it?
And
so
that's
it.
C
You
know
so
so
when
we
so
that's
just
another
example
of
officers
actually
being
in
the
area
being
in
a
hot
spot
and
being
able
to
take
somebody
into
into
custody.
But
we'll
I'll
get
you
more
information
about
the
weapon
itself
and
in
terms
of
the
retaliation
piece
you
know,
councilwoman,
they
there's
this
sense
of
invincibility.
C
You
know
they
a
lot
of
times.
They
feel
that
if
they,
if
they
can
assert
enough
dominance
that
that
they
can
that
they
can
prevent
someone
else
from
trying
to
retaliate
against
them,
you
know
it's
just
it's
invincibility
and
but
the
other.
C
When
we
talk
about
consequences,
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
just
a
part
of
it
while
we're
starting
to
trend
down
right
now,
because
they
are
starting
to
see
that
there
are
consequences,
because
we've
made
a
number
of
significant
arrests
of
some
very,
very
bad
people
that
were
involved
in
some
violence
and
very
influential
people
and
and
they're
starting
to
see
some
of
the
other
ones.
Who
may
otherwise
have
gotten
involved
in
something
whether
they're
from
albany
or
from
some
place
outside
of
albany
they're,
starting
to
see
that
there
are.
F
Thank
you
chief.
We
have
derek
johnson
and
then
mr
jamel
robinson.
K
Yes,
chief,
I
had
a
follow-up:
how
about
getting
at
least
a
five-year
commitment
from
recruits,
and
would
you
support
something
like
that.
C
Yes,
yes,
I
would
yes,
I
would
support
it
yeah.
I
I
think
you
know,
because
that
is
it's
frustrating
to
me
to
train
these
young
men
and
women
and
they
go
someplace
for
a
higher
salary
or
for
whatever
reason
you
know
some
yeah.
There
may
be
some
some
of
these
young
men
and
women
who
who
they
know
at
the
very
outset.
They
don't
they
don't
plan
on
being
here,
but
they
want
to
get
the
certification.
They
want
to
get
the
account
in
the
free
academy
and
then
they
use
it
to
go
someplace
else.
B
G
Yeah
chief,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
question
that
I
asked
earlier
with
the
give
funding.
So
the
the
grant
provides
right
now
is
paying
for
a
position
of
the
anti-violence
coordinator.
Is
that
a
part-time
position
or
is
a
full-time
position.
G
Okay
and
that
person
just
solely
focuses
on
anti-violence
work,
yes,
okay,
and
so
what
type
of
reports
does
that
position
have
to
give
regarding
for
their
position?.
C
That
position
provides
the
quarterly
reports
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
you,
I
thought
you
guys
were
getting
those
reports,
but
they
they're
quarterly
reports
that
outline
gun
violence
and
other
other
programs
that
that
person
is
involved
in
and
coordinating
the
we
have
monthly
meetings
with
all
of
the
gift
partners.
C
You
know
from
all
the
other
agencies
they're
involved
in
this,
so
the
person
coordinates
that
so
that
we
have
communication
and
making
sure
the
key
piece
of
this
is
is
making
sure
that
when
we
have
arrests,
we
make
arrests
of
some
of
these
violent
individuals
that
is
proceeding
that
is
is
is
getting
priority.
E
C
Island
x
and
that
person
coordinates
people
as
well
and
also
there's
some.
B
C
Ahead,
chief,
okay,
thank
you
and
so
those
things
as
well
and
you
know
councilman.
Let
me
give
you
let
me
get
you
some
follow-up
on
mix,
because
we
we
have
it
outlined.
C
You
know,
on
a
weekly
basis,
I
get
a
if
I
get
feedback
information,
it's
not
always
in
writing,
but
at
the
very
least,
it's
it's
verbal
on
a
weekly
basis
on
how
on
with
those
gift
funds,
what
details
those
gift
funds
are
being
used
for
and
and
that's
why
right
now,
I'm
just
kind
of
going
off
on
the
top
of
my
head
with
some
of
this
stuff,
because
you
know
in
some
of
our
recent
meetings.
C
I
know
that
most
of
those
gift
funds
have
been
used
for
to
for
special
details
for
officers,
particularly
in
some
of
the
hot
spots
that
we're
having.
But
you
know,
there's
there's
a
wide
range
of
uses
for
those
funds,
and
I
can
certainly
follow
up
with
you
to
let
you
know
exactly
how
those
funds
are
being
used.
Gotcha.
G
Yeah-
and
I
would
also
like
to
know
the
the
effectiveness
of
the
programs
that
are
currently
in
existence
and
if
the
anti-violence
coordinator
has
come
up
with
any
new
programs
or
has
engaged
any
community
stakeholders
with
coming
up
with
some
new
programs
to
address
it,
because
you
know
if
the
the
funds
are
supposed
to
be
used
to
reduce
violence.
But
yet
we're
putting
more
police
on
the
street
for
overtime
to
you
know
respond
to
the
violence.
C
Absolutely-
and
you
know
you,
you
tell
me
what
forum
you
want
this
in
I
mean
we
can
have
it,
we
can
have
a
meeting
with
whoever
you
know
you
want,
and-
and
we
can
do
that
because
I
I.
C
That
you
know,
if
we
have
just
like
all
of
us
are
accountable.
Everybody
should
be
accountable
and,
and
at
the
very
least,
individuals
who
have
these
key
positions
should
have
an
opportunity
to
clearly
articulate
to
stakeholders
in
the
community.
You
know
what's
what's
happening
and
how
they're
making
an
impact
so
I'll
await
the
request
from
you
as
in
term,
in
terms
of
how
what
form
you
want
this
in.
If
you
want
a
simple
meeting,
you
know,
give
me
a
call
at
some
point.
F
G
If
councilman
kimbrough
would
set
something
for
that
up,
okay.
F
P
I
Q
P
Appreciate
I
saw
you
in
the
mayor
on
channel
13
news
probably
was
passed,
a
regular
newshour,
which
was
a
shame,
because
more
people
would
have
seen
it
this
meeting
tonight,
I
think,
is
great
and
a
lot
of
info
that
we
got
should
go
out
to
the
public.
Somehow
I
know
you
said
you
need
better
communication
getting
this
word
out
there,
but
you
really
got
to
give
it
some
thought,
because
the
phone
calls
that
I
get
are
people
don't
have
a
clue.
Some
of
them
are
just
scared,
especially
older
people.
P
C
Thank
you
and
and
well
received-
and
I
have
this
a
couple
of
times
tonight
and
it's
clearly
something
that
we
can
do
better
in
terms
of
articulating
exactly
what
we're
doing,
what
our
vision
is
and
and
and
more
than
that
you
know,
soliciting
input
from
key
stakeholders
in
the
community.
P
Like,
like
the
some
of
the
people
saying
they
say
they
have
nick
sol
or
something
online
and
they
see
a
shooting,
then
they
don't
know
what
happens.
Maybe
a
few
days
later.
I
guess
when
arrest
is
made,
but
in
between
they
don't
have
a
clue
and
they
especially
elderly
they
get
worried
about
it.
E
F
Okay,
you're
welcome
yes,
chief,
and
I
think
that
is
the
overriding
point
of
of
what
we're
hearing
is
the
confidence
you
know
I've
born
and
raised
in
the
city-
and
I
think
mr
shea
said
it
earlier-
that
people
just
I've,
never
seen
where
people
didn't
feel
comfortable
having
their
kids
play
outside
people
didn't
feel,
don't
feel
comfortable
being
outside
and
and
until
that
is
gone
we're
I
mean
every
accountability
about.
F
What's
going
to
happen,
how
we
do
this
is
going
to
be
questioned,
and
I'm
glad
mr
robinson
brought
up
that
that
point,
and
I
think
snug
is
a
part
of
that
as
well.
They
receive
a
lot
of
state
funding
and
you
know
these
organizations
that
receive
that
funding.
F
As
you
and
the
mayor
give
data,
we
expect
data
from
them
as
well
to
know
if,
if
that
money
is,
is,
is
being
spent
well
and
doing
the
job
that
that
it
says
it
does,
and
I
I
mean,
because
that's
taxpayer
dollars
that
are
that's
going
to
those
organizations,
even
though
it's
coming
from
the
state,
but
it
really
is
about
people
having
the
confidence
in
in
their
city
and
having
the
confidence
that
they
can
walk
outside
and
feel
safe
and,
unfortunately
we're
at
that
point
and
any
way
we
can
support
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
those
feelings
are
gone,
we're
here,
but
we
really.
F
We
really
are
at
a
point
where
we
can't.
I
mean
I
can't
express
it
enough,
the
phone
calls
and
of
the
the
the
feeling
that
people
are
having
and
there's
something
needs
to
be
done,
and
and
on
this
note
I
would
like
you
to
revisit
if
we
have
to
meet
with
the
sheriff,
how
do
we
get
more
cars
and
not
having
two
police
officers
in
one
one:
car,
two
law
enforcement?
Sorry,
not
police,
two
law
enforcements
in
one
car
when
we
brought
the
men
to
help
being
in
the
car
next
to
another
officer.
B
Yeah,
can
I
speak
to
that
from
just
to
follow
up
on
what
the
chief
said.
It's
it's
it's
officer,
safety.
The
thing
is
when
he's
when
the
officers
are
riding
around
one
man
in
the
car,
they
still
can't
take-
and
I
know
we're
covering
more
ground
with
more
folks
on
the
ground
and
in
the
cars,
but
in
the
eventuality
that
something
that's
happened.
It's
just
it's
not
safe
to
respond
as
a
single
officer
to
say
a
shooting
or
one
of
those
type
of
incidents.
Been
there
done
that.
So
you
you
want.
F
B
F
And
also
we'd,
like
some
help
in
arbor
hill
area
as
well.
We
have
these
motorbikes
zooming
up
manny.
Just
I
mean
there's
30
people
up
there.
I
F
F
These
issues,
I
mean,
I'm
pretty
sure
chief
you've
heard
we
have
these
dune
buggies
up
in
arbor
hill
every
night
and
there's
30
of
them.
Have
we
sent
someone
over
there
to
start
taking
out
license
plates
to
make
sure
they're
registered
to
move
them
on?
We
can't
have
this
because
of
this
emotional
feelings.
We
cannot
allow
the
quality
of
life
issues
to
be
ignored
in
the
disturbances
that
are
having
in
these
in
our
neighborhoods.
F
I
I
do
appreciate
you
you're
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
the
fact
of
how
people
are
feeling,
but
we
have
to
set
a
tone
also
that
you
just
can't
come
in
arbor
hill
with
30
motorbikes
and
pop
a
willy
and
be
noisy
all
night
long,
and
they
feel
like
no
one's
going
to
say
anything
and
no
one's
going
to
do
anything.
B
Right-
and
I
agree
with
that-
thank
you,
mr
president,
and
we
kind
of
are
talking
about
gun
violence
and
we're
kind
of
moving
over
into
quality
of
life.
All
of
the
stuff
is
important
and,
of
course,
the
quality
of
life
stuff
that
that's
my
area,
the
hill
up
over
there
manning
boulevard
by
the
firehouse
that
really
there
absolutely
does
need
to
be
a
better
response
from
apd
up
to
that.
B
But
the
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
was
what
councilmember
johnson
said
about
the
non-compete
clause:
we're
trying
to
build
a
police
department,
a
body
here
to
protect
our
citizens.
If
folks
sign
the
book
get
hired
and
then
they
take
off
it's
just
it's
it's
counter
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
So
we
we
should
really
find
out
a
way
to
get
a
commitment
from
recruits
to
to
stay
here
at
least
five
years
and
again
coming
into
the
deal.
B
They
know
they
have
to
stay
for
five
years,
so
if
they
want
to
run
and
leave
for
the
state
police
or
what
have
you,
they
know
they're
locked
in
and
we
I
think
we
should
be
trying
to
get
that
agreement
from
him,
because
otherwise
we're
just
going
to
keep
banging
our
heads
against
the
wall.
On
this
issue
of
manpower,
that's
a
huge
thing
and
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
building
the
police
department.
B
C
Let
me
just
address
real
quick,
the
motorbike
issue
and
we've
got
this
another.
You
know
councilman
robinson
talked
about
the
gift
details,
we've
actually
had
officers
out
over
the
last
week
or
so
that
using
those
gift
funds
to
address
specifically
the
motorbike,
but
you
know
and
again
you
know
we,
you
know.
E
We're
prioritizing
our
resources,
you
know.
Obviously,
we've
got
the
final
crime
that
we're
dealing
with
some
other
stuff,
but
that's
certainly
one
that
we've
given
some
priority
to
and
we
actually
are
not
dealing
with
that
issue.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I'm
having
conversations
with
folks
that
are
actually
on
the
ground
and
so
they're
dealing
with
it
day
to
day
there's
some
programs
running
out
of
arbor
hill
over
there
at
the
new
courts,
where
you
have
some
of
the
city,
employees
and
some
community
folk
that
are
trying
to
teach
kids
and
no
those
bikes
are
there
to
the
extent
that
I
mean
their
their.
B
My
understanding,
it
hasn't
happened
when
I
was
over
there,
but
folks
are
coming
with
bikes
on
trailers
and
four
wheelers
on
trailers,
rolling
them
off
and
then
having
a
session,
and
I
want
to
put
the
fire
department
on
blast.
But
you
know
I've
had
conversations
with
some
of
those
members
also
because
they're
houses
right
there
that
they,
you
know
they
have
to
get
in
and
out
of
in
emergencies,
and
some
of
this
stuff
is
going
on.
B
They
feel
frustrated
also
so,
just
if
you
could
take
that
to
heart
and
keep
it
in
mind
when
you
all
are
doing
enforcement
over
there.
Okay.
I
K
You
know,
like
some
people
in
the
community
feel
like
it's
entertainment,
because
it's
nothing
to
do
right
and
that
just
speaks
to
you
know
what's
really
going
on,
because
when
you
talk
about
some
of
the
things
like
the
bike
ride,
you
know
the
quality
of
life
stuff.
K
If,
if
it
factors
in
in
many
different
directions,
we
aren't
doing
the
proactive
stuff
with
the
youth,
so
you
know
they
don't
have
to
get
recruited
anymore
because
they're
right
there,
you
know
there's
no
place
for
them
to
go
they're
standing
right
outside
next
to
the
the
nonsense.
So
you
know
I
I
I've
said
this
to
the
chief
one
on
one.
K
You
know
our
city
was
in
in
a
bad
state
before
he
came
aboard
and
you
know
we
have
had
a
a
gang
violence
problem,
a
group
violence
problem
for
a
long
time-
and
you
know
it
was
it-
was
being
addressed
by
the
last
administration
poorly,
and
you
know
what
it's
not
being
addressed
at
all,
because
we
don't
have
a
gang
program
anymore.
K
You
know
once
eight
years
ago
we
would
have
been
able
to
call
cook
barrack
and
cook
barrett
would
have
been
able
to
let
people
know
what
was
going
on,
or
at
least
have
conversations
with
key
people
that
are
out
here.
I'm
involved
in
this
type
of
stuff.
So
you
know
the
the
the
consensus
of
the
conversation
that
you're
hearing
throughout
the
city
from
people
that
are
in
their
50s.
K
When
we
look
at
what
our
kids
have
today
versus
what
we
had
many
yesterdays
ago,
there's
the
answer
right
there
there's
nothing
being
put
into
our
youth.
You
know
in
their
early
stages
that
it's
gonna,
that
the
city
can
pull
out
in
their
later
stages.
K
So
until
we
start
addressing
the
systemic
neglect,
that's
been
going
on
throughout
this
city.
You
know
things
like
this
are
going
to
keep
on
popping
up
and
they're
going
to
be
in
vessels
that
you
don't
understand,
because
there's
no
there's
no
way.
You
can
understand
this
organized
empty
energy
because
that's
what
it
is.
There's
nothing
for
five-year-olds
to
do
and
there's
nothing
for
55
year
olds
to
do
in
this
city.
You
know
pretty
much.
Everything
has
been
taken
away
and
the
things
that
remain
are
just
somewhat
of
the
old
program.
K
C
Yeah,
I
still
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
I
appreciate
I
thank
all
the
members
of
the
council,
for
you
know
their
support.
You
know
I'm
asked
often
you
know
what
type
of
support
do.
I
does
the
police
department
get
from
our
elected
officials
and
my
my
answer
is
always
we
it's
just
top
notch.
C
E
Very
clearly
the
the
pain
and
the
frustration
and
concern
for
members
of
our
community.
It
pains
me
to
hear
that
people.
C
E
C
B
So
to
continue
the
meeting
onto.
B
I
wanna
because
we
took
a
bit
of
time
with
the
chief
to
to
pull
in
mr
sheehan
in
relation
to
resolution.
Hell
70
72
20r,
it's
a
reappointment
as
a
member
of
the
sustainability
advisory
committee.
The
other
two
members
participated
in
a
previous
meeting
that
we
had,
and
we
just
wanted
to
hear
from
mr
sheehan-
are
you
here?
I
can't
I
only.
I
have
limited
visibility
here
on
my
tablet.
Mr
sheehan.
Are
you
here.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
and
hey.
I
just
okay.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
letting
me
hang
around
and
listen
to
the
listen
to
the
chief
talk
about
all
the
issues
and,
of
course
we
hear
about
it
nightly,
and
I
just
I'm
very
appreciative
for
giving
me
that
kind
of
inside
look
on
what
you
know
on
how
he
responds
and
you're.
You
know
your
wealth
on
a
question,
so
thank
you
very
much
on
that,
and
so
yes,
I
would
like
to
right
now.
Q
I
am
the
in
terms
of
the
sustainability
advisory
council.
I
would
you
know,
be
certainly
willing
and
appreciative
to
serve
another
three
years.
First
offense
the
resolution,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
we're
on
the
I'm,
the
vice.
I
Q
Of
the
of
the
account
of
the
advisory,
it's
the
sustainable
advisory
committee
and
I'm
the
energy
chair
and
we're
doing
and
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
good
stuff
and
what
we're
trying
to
do.
It
really
briefly
is
kind
of
get
ahead
of
the
curve
because
what's
happening,
statewide,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
is
the
climate
leadership
and
community
protection
act
and
that's
a
new
york
state
law
and
it's
gonna.
Q
It's
gonna
force
buildings
to
to
be
more
energy
efficient
and
we
force
the
city
to
be
more
energy
efficient
and
so
we're
trying
to
address
that,
and
just
a
couple
of
quick
examples,
we're
trying
to
work
through
a
what
they
call.
My
certain
stretch
code,
where
you
have
to
make
your
buildings,
whether
it's
like
a
gut
rehab
or
a
new
building
commercial
or
residential,
make
it
more
energy
efficient
to
save
more
energy,
to
reduce
greenhouse
gases.
Q
Of
course,
we're
working
with
the
ida
and
sarah
reginelli
to
put
a
new
sustainability
category
in
their
funding
classifications
and
their
funding
criteria
so
that
people
have
to
so
that
developers
have
to
make
their
buildings
more
energy
efficient
or
incorporate
green
energy
into
it
before
they
get
the
the
tax
for
the
ida.
Tax
breaks
that
they
get
two
more
things
working
on.
Q
This
thing
called
pace
financing,
which
is
a
financing
mechanism
for
homeowners
to
to
provide
a
pot
of
money,
so
they
can
undertake
these
energy
efficiency
upgrades
or
renewable
energy
like
like
a
photovoltaic
system
on
the
roof,
or
something
like
that
where
they
would
pay
that
along
with
their
mortgage.
Q
So
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
you
know,
considering
me
in
this,
and
so
you
have
probably
you
might
not
all
have
seen
it,
but
we
just
released
our
what
turned
out
to
be
basically
a
two-year
report,
and
my
colleague
tina
lieberman
and
dan
were
talking
about
that
last
night,
obviously,
but
that
it
had
to
be
a
two-year
report.
You
know
we
had
issues
with
covert,
of
course,
and
it
and
then
we
had
leadership
change
and
that
kind
of
threw
us
off
but
anyways.
Q
It's
it's
a
two-year
report
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
dude
just
one
last
thing
I
had
it
at
my
expense,
which
is
not
not
a
big
deal,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
had
the
report
merged.
We
had
to
merge
the
the
word
documents
and
the
and
the
excel
documents
into
into
into
one
document
that
looked
good
and
I
think
it
looks
professional
and
I
had
all
some
some
copies
printed
out.
Q
If
any
of
you
want
I'd,
be
glad
to
make
those
available
to
you-
and
I
had
those
printed
down
at
two
april
and
his
colleagues
down
at
acs
printing
on
255
orange
street
did
a
great
job,
putting
it
together
for
us
and
that's
where
I
take
all
my
printing
okay.
So
once
again,
thanks
for
the
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
all
about
it,.
J
Pete,
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
everyone
that
you
have
been
on
the
committee
since
its
inception
in
2014
and
a
very
important
leadership
position
as
chair
of
that
committee
for
quite
a
few
years.
So
we
really
appreciate
your
service
up
to
this
point
and
are
very
grateful,
you're
willing
to
continue
your
service,
so
thank
you.
Pete
thanks.
Q
Kathy,
it's
good
working
with
everybody.
Everyone
on
the
committee
is
really
you
know
really
dedicated.
Our
new
energy
manager,
jason
is,
I
think,
is
turning
out
to
be
very
solid
and
we're
providing
support
and
everything
to
him
too.
So,
thanks
kathy
at
all.
E
B
B
Again,
I
I
can't
see
hands
on
my
tablet:
nothing!
Okay!
Thank
you,
mr
sheehan,
and
thank
you
for
working
with
you
in
the
future.
Okay,
okay.
So
let's
move
into
the
top
of
the
agenda
so.
B
Sorry
so
start
at
the
top
for
approval
of
minutes.
From
a
previous
meeting,
I
will
have
the
I'll
be
offering
the
august
3rd
meeting
minutes
for
passage.
B
Okay,
next
on
to
consideration
of
local
laws,
we'll
have
local
lock,
k
by
ms
farrell
and
which
will
be
going
to
finance
and
it's
regarding
the
billing
of
the
the
trash
fee.
The
collection
of
waste
that'll
be
going
to
finance.
B
Okay,
next
we'll
have
local
law
l
by
miss
love
that
will
be
going
to
council
operations
and
it's
a
local
law
amending
residency
requirements
for
council
members
again
that
that
would
be
going
to
council
operations.
H
Can
I
ask
a
quick
question
on
that?
I
don't
know
if
jr
has
looked
into
it
as
it.
It
requires
a
public
referendum
and
I
don't
know
if
the
intent
was
that
this
be
on
the
ballot
for
this
november
or
not.
I
don't
think
under
the
timelines
under,
I
guess
the
general
city
law
that
there
is
enough
time
for
that.
But
I
don't
know
if
jr,
if
you
can
respond
to
the
timelines
and
the
requirements
for
that
and
if.
A
I
didn't
check
into
that
timelines.
Yet
I'll
get
back
to
you
on
that
one
then.
H
Okay,
because
I
think
it's
no
less
than
60
days
before
after
adoption,
so
I
if
the
intent
was
for
it
to
be
on
this
november's
ballot.
I
don't
think
there's
enough
time
to
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
joyce's
intent
to
try
to
have
this
done
in
time
to
be
on
the
ballot
for
this
november
or.
I
A
B
R
Love
was
here.
Unfortunately,
she
did
indicate
that
she
was
leaving.
I
don't
believe
she's
feeling
well
at
the
moment,
but
she
was
here.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
so
so
again,
it's
going
to
cancer
operations
and
we'll
work
on
if.
J
B
Have
to
do
it
down
the
line
so
next,
in
our
agendas,
consideration
of
vetoes.
B
So
what
we're
we're
trying
right
now,
with
leadership
in
the
administration
trying
to
work
through
and
several
council
members
to
work
through
the
issues
with
mr
hoey's
ordinance?
It's
you
know,
1581
19.,
we're
trying
to
work
through
the
issues
should
we,
you
know
be
able
to
come
up
with
something,
that's
mutually
agreeable.
B
B
Okay,
next
on
to
consideration
of
ordinances
for
introductions
by
councilmember,
robinson
ordinance,
number
82,
20
that
will
be
going
to
to
finance
and
that's
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
sale
of
a
lot
at
109
3rd
street.
Mr
robinson,
would
you
like
to
to
just
kind
of
give
a
brief
intro
on
that
or
no.
B
B
Consideration
resolutions
introduction
of
resolution,
74,
82
20.,
that's
council,
member
robinsons
that'll
be
going
to
human
resources,
human
rights,
it's
a
reappointment
of
naticia
alexander,
is
a
member
of
the
commission
on
human
rights
again
that
that's
going
to
human
resources
and
human
rights,
so
that
could
be
discussed
there.
H
B
It
happens
if
you
could
ever
pop
into
a
caucus
or
one
of
our
meetings
just
to.
G
She
have
to
come,
I
mean
she
was
here
about
six
months
ago
or
something.
B
M
B
All
right
right,
so
we
can't
so
we
can't
do
it.
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
idea
is
to
intro
and
she's
fine
on
there
until
we
can
get
around
to
having
to
pop
in
we'll
pass
it
after
after
that.
B
So
next
resolutions,
70
by
myself,
is
75
82
20r
and
it's
it's
resolution
adopting
local
government
retention
schedule.
It's
based
on
what
you
know
the
state
recommends
for
their
guidelines,
so
that
will
be
a
pass.
Anyone
have
any
questions
regarding
that.
No,
I
can't
I
can't
assume.
J
B
O
I
I
think
that
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
received
an
email
with
at
least
a
link
to
the
retention
schedules
that
we
are
adopting,
so
that
people
are
aware
of
what
we're
approving,
essentially
the
substance
of
of
what
we
are
approving.
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
issue
in
it,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
helpful
to
be
mindful
that
there
are
these
retention
schedules
for
various
records
and
to
know
that
we
are
essentially
obligating
ourselves
and
the
entire
city
to
comply
with
those
schedules.
O
I
R
It's
a
it's
primarily
a
formality
because
we
are
following
the
mu1
schedule
which
expired
at
the
end
of
this
year,
and
the
state
requires
that
the
governing
body
of
the
municipality
legislatively
in
that
rule
accepting
lgs
one.
So
it's
a
formality
and
because
we
have
a
shared
service
agreement
with
the
albany
county
hall
of
records.
We
we
have
to
do
that
and
then
make
sure
that
the
albany
county
hall
of
records
has
it.
I
have
the
link
on
my
computer
right
now,
I'll
just
forward
it
out
to
everyone.
R
I
do
not
off
the
top
of
my
head
know
the
retention
schedule
for
emails,
because
I
I
typically
revisit
this
for
retaining
the
applications
for
the
new
york
state
department
of
health
and
vital
record
apple,
vital
records
documents,
but
I'll
take
a
look
and
see
I'll.
Do
a
quick,
personal
search
and
get
right
back
to
you
councilmember.
Just
yet.
B
B
On
to
resolutions,
we
got
a
few
in
the
queue
it's
the
it's
the
appointments
of
the
folks
to
the
sustainability
committee.
B
That's
that's
on
for
upper
vote
will
be
number
12
on
the
agenda,
which
was
well
actually
excuse
me.
So,
mr
o'brien,
you
you
with
us.
I
can't
see
you
yeah
so
yeah,
so
you're
you're
up
also
number
resolution
62
70
120
is,
is
a
item
number
10
on
the
agenda.
B
We
got
through
the
amendments
and
we're
we're
ready
to
move
yes
on
the
on
the
board.
B
Okay,
so
number
10
resolution
hell
will
be
moved
next
number
12,
which
is
resolution
6972,
that's
reappointing,
andre
lake
to
sustainability,
advisory
and
that'll
be
passed.
Number
13
is
peach,
13
is
resolution,
70,
72,
20
r
and
that's
pete
sheehan
his
reappointment
and
to
the
sustainability
advisory,
and
he
just
spoke.
So
members
got
to
hear
from
him.
That's
number
13
that'll
be
a
pass.
B
It's
70,
72,
20,
r
and
then
number
14
is
71
on
the
agenda
number
14.,
it's
7172
20r
and
that's
for
tina
lieberman
and
reappointing
her
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
as
well.
B
L
Resolution
that
was
held
for
number
nine
resolution
4961
as
related
to
student
loans.
I
like
to
bring
it
up
for
a
vote.
Actually,
I
know
that
it
passed
out
of
you
know.
We
all
said
that
we're
going
to
support
it
and
I
hold
it
to
try
to
get
some
students
to
speak
then
covert
hit,
but
I
like
to
bring
it
up
for
a
vote
on
monday.
B
Okay,
so,
okay,
so
members
are
aware,
we're
adding
number
number
nine
just
to
bring
it
up
for
a
vote.
Thank
you.
That's
resolution.
49
61
20
are.
B
H
Can
I
just
ask
if
michelle
you
can
resend
that
resolution
out
because
it's
been
a
while,
since
I.
B
Saw
a
good
vlog,
okay,
so
with
that
sent
out
any
other,
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
thoughts.
A
A
So
we
received
a
request
from
the
developer
for
the
76
project.
This
is
an
email
that
I
sent
out
earlier
to
council
members.
This
just
came
in
it
was
discussed
at
last
night's
planning
board
meeting
regarding
their
demolition
review
and
develop
major
development
plan,
and
I've
discussed
this
with
the
planning
department
as
well.
A
The
planning
department
from
told
me
that
they
don't
have
an
opposition
to
commence
review,
but
generally
they
do
not
do
this
until
the
zoning
map
amendment
is
done
which
we
are
still
working
on
and
I
will
be
providing
a
memo
regarding
the
findings
for
seeker
amongst
other
things,
but
this
is
just
a
simple
request
to
allow
the
planning
department
and
the
planning
board
to
review.
A
But
with
this
letter
the
developer
and
their
attorneys
are
have
say
that
they
are
aware
that
if
the
common
council
does
not
approve
the
zoning
map
amendment
that
they
understand
that
they
were
forfeiting
their
fees
and
that
the
they
you
know,
they
will
withdraw
their
development
plan
application.
So
I
you
know
just
for
just
wanted
to
give
members
a
heads
up
on
that
and
if
there's
a
consensus
I
can
let
planning
department
know
that
they
can
go
ahead
with
the
review.
If
anybody
has
questions
or
if
anybody's
opposition.
H
Yeah,
I
I
have
no
problem
with
coordinated
review,
but
isn't
the
planning
board
required
to
review
the
rezone
and
make
a
recommendation
to
us
prior
to
our
acting.
A
Yes,
it's
before
it's
been
sent
to
members,
I
want
to
say:
okay,
I
sent
that
not
too
long
ago
once.
A
Yeah,
so
this
is
just
this
is
just
a
review
that
the
it's
really
a
coordinator
review
and
air
quotes.
This
is
just
a
request
that
they
commence
the
review
of
that,
while
we're
still
reviewing
ours
so
yeah,
I
believe,
miss
frederick,
had
something
to
say.
M
Yeah
just
to
jump
in
quickly.
I
was
on
the
planning
meeting
last
night
and
I
did
speak
as
the
sponsor
of
the
rezone
that
I
was
comfortable
with
them,
operating
in
tandem
with
us
and
they're.
Obviously,
as
jr
set
aware
of
the
fact
that
they're
taking
on
the
risk
and
doing
this,
the.
A
Okay,
so
does
any
members
have
any
opposition
any
just
just
so
that
way
I
can
know
going
forward
to
you
know
let
into
the
planning
department
is
any
opposition
to
it.
B
And
right
and
again
just
to
emphasize
they
understand
that
in
the
event
that
something
happens
down
the
line
and
there's
not
an
approval,
then
there's
they're
just
out
of
luck
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
saying
it.
Anyone
have
anything
else
in
the
game.
S
I
S
I
just
wanted
to
do
in
terms
of
the
budget
and
the
potential
budget
concerns
about
the
impact
of
covet
and
our
current
budget.
There's
not
any
new
information
at
this
stage
from
the
federal
government.
S
They
aren't
sure
when
that
information
will
be
coming.
They
were
hopeful
about
this
week,
but
we're
ready
to
I've
been
urging
the
administration
to
give
us
information
as
they
have
it,
and
at
any
point
that
we
have
it,
I
do
plan
on
doing
an
emergency
finance
meeting
if
there's
not
a
public
meeting
already
coming
up.
S
I
also
met
with
mike
wheeler
and
david
gallon
to
talk
about
the
budget
process,
and
I
have
a
document
that
I'll
be
sending
out.
What
we
wanted
to
do
is
kind
of
make
sure
that
individual
council
members
were
able
to
share
their
ward's
priorities.
We
are
each
representatives
of
our
specific
neighborhoods.
Our
neighborhoods
are
all
very
unique
and
have
different
needs
and
different
focuses
so
making
sure
that
those
specific
focuses
can
be
shared
with
the
administration.
S
Understanding
that
the
budget
is
what
it
is.
There
is
not
extra
money,
and
just
because
we're
sharing
these
priorities
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
they
will
all
be
covered,
but
it
also
means
that
it
allows
that
the
administrator
might
be
more
aware
of
them
in
the
past.
They
would
do
that
with
individual
leaders,
the
mayor
and
the
council
member.
S
I'm
not
sure
that
everybody
has
the
ability
to
do
that
or
the
desire
to
do
that.
So
I
think
the
mayor
is
definitely
open
to
doing
that.
If
people
want
to
do
that,
but
you
can
also
just
write
down
priorities
and
share
them
with
with
the
mayor's
office,
and
I
have
this
in
a
document
that
I'll
send
out.
The
other
thing
is
to
come
up
with
overall
council
priorities.
S
I
think
we
can
discuss
that
at
probably
our
next
caucus,
although
I
should
check
in
with
kelly
on
that
one
and
to,
and
that
would
just
be
kind
of
an
overall
thing
as
we're
looking
at
the
city.
If
there's
some
general
things
that
we're
seeing
issues
with-
and
this
is
something
really
I'll
be
looking
at
the
the
budget
memo
from
years
past,
which
will
still
exist
but
to
kind
of
put
some
of
those
pieces
in
a
less
formal
way
out
ahead
of
time
to
help
inform
the
process
as
they're.
S
Looking
at
as
they're
looking
at
the
budget,
it
will
not
take
the
place
of
the
budget
memo
that
we'll
be
doing
at
the
end
or
that
I
will
probably
be
doing
at
the
end
and
the
last
piece
not
that
we
need
any
extra
finance
meetings
about
the
budget.
But
I
do
think
it's
important
as
the
budget
is
forming
to
check
in
with
budget
and
have
an
overall
meeting
about
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
us
specific
numbers,
because
that's
what
the
actual
budget
is
about.
S
S
I
also
talked
to
them
about
the
five-year
capital
plan
and
this
is
a
special
one
for
judy
who's,
she's,
probably
in
a
different
direction,
but
you're
like
right
next
to
me
on
my
screen,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
a
finance
committee
meeting
for
that
as
well
just
on
its
own,
and
I
I
said
that
they
need
to
kind
of
get
that
draft
form
out
to
us
as
soon
as
possible.
They
are
still
working
on
it.
I
don't
have
any
other
information.
S
I
know
that
you
want
to
ask
about
that
judy.
Please
you're,
welcome
to
ask
questions,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
have
the
answers
for
it,
but
I
I
think
that
that's
we
need
to
kind
of
take
that
separately
from
the
budget,
because
that
is
that
groundwork
needs
to
be
laid,
and
I
know
judy's
done
a
ton
of
work
on
that.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
kind
of
give
that
its
own
attention
separately
so
go
ahead.
Judy.
O
So
I
just
wanna
point
out
that
the
recommendation
from
the
osc
in
their
little
report-
it's
not
particularly
lengthy
talks
about
good
capital
planning
processes
and
one
of
the
things
that
you're
supposed
to
do
is
you're
supposed
to
establish.
O
Policies
about
what
gets
funded
through
capital
through
borrowing
in
your
capital
budget
and
what
it's
funded
out
of
the
budget
itself
and
and
also
you
know,
looking
at
at
priorities
and
usually
they
suggest
that
that's
usually
part
of
a
public
process.
O
So
I
saw
somebody
from
the
budget
office
who's
nick
who
said
to
me
that
oh
we're
working
on
that
document.
O
O
You
know
the
funding
of
particular
projects,
so
I
I
encourage
you
or
maybe
michelle,
to
send
out
to
the
whole
council
again
that
particular
document.
What
I
like
about
that,
what
I
like
about,
what
the
osc
does
is
they
put
it
in
larger
type?
O
Not
so
many
words
on
a
page,
it's
pretty
easy,
it's
pretty
easy
reading
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I
would
really
like
us.
These
are
good
capital
planning
processes
and
that's
what
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
city
adopt
is
is
follow.
A
pattern
follow
the
recommendations
of
the
experts.
O
You
know
this
isn't
just
jump
through
hoop
if
the
five-year
plan
is
in
the
in
the
city
charter,
it's
in
there
for
a
reason
and
reading
that
particular
report-
that's
that's
part
of
of
it
and
under
and
understanding
what
we
want
to
prioritize
collectively
as
a
city
with
the
mayor
and
her
leadership.
S
We
will,
I
think,
that
we
have
the
potential
to
do
that.
S
The
level
that
we'll
be
able
to
hit
this
year's
capital
plan
we'll
see,
but
it's
will
be
we'll,
have
a
dedicated
meeting
for
it
in
in
september
and
we'll
be
looking
at
what
the
budget
office
has
been
working
on.
S
Joe
did
you
put
your
hand
up
richard
go
ahead?
Yes,.
H
I
just
want
to
note
that
also
the
as
far
as
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
this
year
is
to
provide
us
with
the
capital
budget
capital
plan.
They
have
to
give
us
a
four
year,
look
back
at
projects
by
ward
and
also
a
timeline
as
to
whether
or
not
projects
were
completed
and
there's
a
whole
very
enhanced
reporting
requirement
that
they
need
to
incorporate
into
what
they
give
us.
H
H
That's
fine,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
include
those
extensive
four-year
retroactive
reporting
requirements
by
ward
in
terms
of
what
the
prior
capital
investments
were.
H
Yeah
and
the
only
the
only
capital
projects
that
are
exempt
are
ones
at
the
landfill,
so
every
capital
project
is
not
just
streets
and
sidewalk
construction
is
every
capital
project.
That's
part
of
the
capital
budget
have
to
be
broken
down
by
ward,
and
it
has
to
be.
You
know
the
four
four-year
look
back
and
also
assessment
as
to
whether
it
was
completed
or
not
completed
in
timeline,
so
they
need
to
to
incorporate
all
of
that
into
their
capital
budget
and
what
they
give
us.
B
Okay,
it's
also,
I
asked
the
question
in
the
leadership
meeting
about
the
the
in-house
paving
and
they
really
didn't
or
couldn't
give
us
an
answer
on
that
tom
hoey
asked
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
whether
or
not
those
those
projects
would
still
be
occurring,
and
we
didn't
really
get
a
complete
answer
on
that.
We're
still
touch
and
go
with,
as
with
all
of
the
finances
and
all
the
stuff
we
have
going
on,
so
keep
asking
and
stay
on
top
of
it.
B
So
if
there's
nothing
else,
a
move,
we
adjourn.
J
B
Okay,
all
in
favor
all
right,
okay,
all
right
everyone
good
night
and
be
safe,
have
a
good
night.