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The Committee reviewed the Corporation Counsel 2021 Budget presentation. The Committee discussed the budget and developed recommendations.
A
Hi
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
evening's
finance
committee
meeting.
We
are
joined
by
council
members,
tom
holly
and
richard
conte,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
joined
by
more
and
we'll
announce
them
as
they
come
in
we're
also
joined
by
our
incredible
staff.
Danielle
gillespie
john
rayfield
charto,
michelle
andre,
will
be
joining
us
momentarily,
as
I
just
admitted
her
to
the
room
and
there
she
is
right
on
cue.
A
A
Judy
deshay,
if
for
some
reason,
I'm
not
able
to
continue
judy
said
that
she
would
be
able
to
take
over
in
my
stead.
A
C
Thank
you,
jenny
and
I'm
sorry
you're
not
feeling
well
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
technological
difficulty,
which
I
think
is
the
theme
of
2020,
and
so
someone
else
is
going
to
share
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
Danielle
did
you
do
that?
Yeah?
Okay,
thank
you.
For
some
reason
it
wasn't
opening
on
my
laptop
only
on
my
computer,
so
I
have
a
short
presentation
about
my
budget.
What's
in
my
budget
proposal
this
year
and
then,
of
course,
we
can
have
a
conversation
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
department
or
the
budget
proposal
specifically
so
the
first
slide
just
gives
a
little
overview
of
the
department
of
law's
vision,
and
obviously
this
hasn't
changed
for
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
this.
C
C
Some
of
them
are
new,
so
one
of
the
goals
that
I
have
in
mind
for
this
year,
the
first
one
is
to
bring
a
lot
of
our
labor
and
employment
work
in-house.
This
has
been
the
goal
for
a
number
of
years
and
we're
actually
going
to
make
it
happen.
C
Our
reduced
services
rfp,
has
been
posted
and
that
has
actually
closed
so
we're
already
in
the
process
of
retaining
an
outside
council
service
for
those
reduced
services
and,
at
the
same
time,
I'm
in
the
process
of
hiring
an
attorney
who
specifically
specializes
in
labor
and
employment
law.
So
that
is
in
the
works,
and
I'm
sure
you'll
have
more
questions
about
that
later.
So
I
won't
get
into
too
much
detail,
but
our
goals
are,
as
always,
is
to
raise
salary
in
order
to
retain
talent.
C
We,
as
always
here
in
the
law
department,
have
a
very
high
turnover.
We
lose
we
because
of
this.
Just
the
talent
and
the
experience
that
attorneys
get
here
in
this
office,
we
tend
to
lose
them
to
the
state
to
other
agencies,
to
other
law
firms
because
of
the
great
experience
they
get
here.
C
So
we
always
do
everything
we
can
to
retain
the
talent
that
we
that
we
develop,
and
that
includes
actively
and
aggressively
trying
to
keep
salaries
on
track
with
other
agencies
that
are
in
the
area,
so
that
we
can
compete
another
one
of
our
goals.
This
year
is
going
to
be
to
enter
it
increase
collections,
revenue
and
more
efficiently
sort
of
transform
our
code
enforcement
process.
C
As
you
remember,
we
did
receive
the
city's
rise
grant
from
the
attorney
general
last
year,
and
one
of
the
positions
that
wasn't
funded
by
that
grant
was
a
an
attorney
who
specifically,
is
going
to
be
tasked
with
making
the
code
enforcement
process
more
efficient,
more
aggressively
targeting
bad
landlords,
bad
property
owners
in
the
city,
so
that
we
can
keep
buildings
to
be
from
from
ending
up
in
that
red
x
area.
We
have
hired
that
person.
C
His
name
is
chris,
and
he
started
about
a
month
ago
and
so
he's
just
getting
his
feet.
Underneath
him
now,
codes
code
enforcement
court
had
been
shut
down
for
I'd,
say
four
or
five
months
completely,
so
he's
we
brought
him
on
just
in
time
to
get
up
to
speed
and
he's
been
handling
code
enforcement
cases,
as
that
court
gets
up
and
running
again.
C
Actually,
just
today
we
had
some
trials
for
the
first
time,
so
that
position
has
been
filled
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
exploring
some
new
options
as
far
as
how
how
we
can
optimize
code
enforcement
here
in
the
city
and
what
we
can
do
better.
So
part
of
that
is
increasing
the
collections
revenue.
C
I
already
talked
about
retaining
talent.
This
is
just
an
overview
of
our
staff
here
at
the
department.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
turnover,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys
an
idea
of
who's
with
us.
Currently,
some
names
are
familiar
and
some
are
probably
new.
We
do
have
that
vacancy
in
the
labor
and
employment
law
position,
which
was
left
when
peachy
jones
yay
peachy
was
promoted
to
being
our
hr
director.
C
So
that
was
a
great
loss
for
the
for
us
here:
the
law
department
we
miss
peachy,
so
we're
currently
trying
to
fill
her
shoes
with
a
labor
and
employment
specialist,
but
everyone
else
has
been
here
for
well
chris.
I
just
talked
about
he's
our
grant
funded
position,
administrative
staff
you're
mostly
familiar
with
the
and
then
that's
okay,
you
can
go
forward.
C
This
is
a
little
snapshot
of
the
salaries
in
the
proposed
2021
budget.
The
highlights
are
the
promotions.
C
Well,
actually,
you
can
flip
forward
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
we'll
get
into
the
highlights
of
the
salaries
and
one
of
the
next
ones.
So
he'll,
you
can
see
here
on
this
slide,
that
our
expensive
litigation
has
gone
down
significantly
to
from
494
thousand
dollars
to
365
000.
C
We've
estimated
that
we,
our
goal,
is
to
cut
our
labor
outside
council
labor
costs
by
about
50
percent,
and
then
we've
taken
some
of
that
money
that
savings
and
put
it
into
increasing
some
salaries
which
we'll
get
into
on
the
next.
C
Slide
the
leadership
positions
here
at
the
department
proposing
raising
by
five
percent
there's
some
some
comparable
salaries
from
around
the
state
and
different
municipalities
that
I
included
on
this
slide.
Just
to
give
you
a
some
comp,
some
comparables,
to
see
what
other
people
in
those
positions
were
making,
and
then
there
were
a
couple
promotions
within
the
department
we
have
laura.
C
Who
is
the
going
to
now
be
promoted
to
a
second
assistant
corporation
council,
going
from
the
starting
salary
of
68
to
73.5,
and
then
we
have
the
edition
of
a
senior
assistant
corporation
council
and
that
promotion
is
for
amy
levine.
Who
is
our
planning
and
land
use
attorney,
getting
that
going
from
72
to
75.
C
the?
As
far
as
the
corporation
council
and
the
deputy
corporation
council
raises,
you
know
I
looked
back
historically
and
the
positions
hadn't
been
haven't
been
given
a
raise
besides
the
colas
going
back.
As
far
as
I
could
tell
so.
We've
been
consistently
raising
the
assistant
corporation
council
salaries,
and
I
really
thought
that
my
deputy
deserved
to
be
bumped
up
and
myself
just
compared
to
other
similar
positions
and
also
in
terms
of
the
increased
responsibility
we're
taking
on
bringing
that
labor
relations.
C
Work
in-house
is
not
going
to
be,
will
be
the
inclusion
of
additional
workload
and
additional
supervisory
capacities
for
both
of
us.
So
that's
reflected
here
in
the
five
percent
proposed
phrase
next
slide,
so
2021
new
initiatives.
I
already
talked
about
I'm
in
the
process
currently
right
now
of
hiring
a
labor
relations
attorney
and
significantly
paying
back
on
those
outside
counsel
services.
C
We
currently
pay
about
11
000,
a
month,
retainer
plus
hourly
rate
for
labor-related
litigation
outside
of
our
retainer
agreement.
We've
already
begun,
bringing
in
some
of
that
hourly
labor-related
litigation
work
in-house
with
the
current
staff
we
have.
C
I
have
great
staff,
who
has
like,
thankfully
dived
into
a
brand
new
area
of
law
that
many
people
are
not
familiar
with,
but
everyone
has
sort
of
taken
on
some
of
that
labor
work,
and
so
we've
already
begun,
bringing
some
of
that
in-house
and
hopefully
that
will
continue
when
I
get
the
labor
relations
attorney
position
fully
filled
next
slide.
C
So
revenue
anticipation
and
great
opportunities,
I
already
talked
about
our
code
enforcement
attorneys
attorney,
which
is
grant
funded.
This
is
a
grant
that
we
received
for
two
years.
That's
effective
september,
8
2020.
That
was
the
higher
date
of
chris
we're,
anticipating
that
the
position
is
going
to
fund
itself
by
the
increased
revenue
and
collection
fees
that
we
can
bring
on
having
a
person
completely
devoted
to
code
enforcement
and
strategic
collections
of
code
enforcement
penalties.
C
And
that's
all
I
got
because
I
figured
we
could
probably
have
a
lot
of
questions
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
guys.
A
I
just
want
to
notice
some
other
council
members
committee
member
judy
de
shea
is
here.
We
also
have
joe
aigo,
usually
and
kelly
kim
bro.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
judy?
Do
you
have
any
questions
since
you're
the
committee
member?
That's
here.
D
First,
first
and
foremost,
I'm
I'm
perplexed
amazed
that
we
have
a
significant
budget
increase
here
for
the
corporation
council
and
the
deputy
corporation
council
and
with
a
comment
being
made,
you've
looked
back
and
as
far
as
you
can
tell
you,
only
that
position
has
only
gotten
the
colas.
D
D
2019
was
a
one
percent
increase
to
2020
was
a
one
percent
increase,
and
I,
and
I'm
also
bothered
by
looking
at
the
comparisons
that
have
been
provided
to
us,
because
they
are
clearly
not
the
full
picture.
D
As
I
have
looked
at
things,
the
the
number
that
you
have
provided
for
the
corporation
council
for
the
city
of
rochester,
that's
of
a
salary
range
correct,
marisa,.
C
No,
that
was
well
that
was
the
position
listed
in
there.
That
was
the
money
listed
in
their
budget
book.
I
had
my
administrative
assistant
looked
that
up,
but
I
believe
it
that
was
the
that
was
the
salary.
C
D
The
budget
book
provides
a
salary
budget
line
and
the
corporation
council
is
at
br
36,
which
goes
from
92
000
at
the
start
to
over
14
years,
then
to
thousand
121
hundred.
So
what
you've
done
it
I
mean.
Excuse
me
141,
5
222,
so
what
you've
done
is
listed,
the
top,
which
is
over
a
13
to
14
year,
experience
annual
bumps
up
in
the
way
that
people
do
for
the
for
the
state.
C
Yeah,
no,
I
wasn't
trying
to
you
know,
paint
a
certain
picture.
I
was
just
trying
to
say
you
know
the
king
they're
at
100
000
and
I
don't
think
1
12
is
un
comparable,
considering
the
size
of
a
population
and
the
workload
and
the
number
of
staff
that
I
manage.
D
So
rochester,
like
I
noted,
even
these,
you
know
the
starting
salary
there
for
this
position
is
well
below
the
112
that
you're
asking
that
you're
putting
in
here.
I
will
note
that
their
entire
budget
for
corporation
council
is
a
little
over
two
million
dollars.
That
includes
contractual
services,
and
we
have
a
budget
of
almost
1.6
million
dollars
in
corporation
council's
office
so
and
their
population
is
basically
double.
D
So
if
we
want
to
then
go
on
the
basis
of
let's
look
at
the
population
in
the
city
as
a
comparison
factor,
then
let's
look
at
the
fact
that
they
are
double
the
population
and
maybe
that's
not
an
appropriate
comparison.
D
D
Their
deputy
is
paid
eighty
six
thousand
dollars
now.
That's
in
our
area
and
they're
competing
with
the
same
potential
draws
for
talent
as
we
are.
D
Okay,
well
so
you're
saying
at
87
000
that
person
is
only
part-time,
that's
not
a
full-time
position
in
the
corporation
council.
Oh.
C
D
D
And
I
know
that
their
budget
is
just
a
million
dollars,
including
all
consulting
services
and
salaries,
kingston
yeah.
Well,
you
don't
want
to
count
kingston
you
put
kingston
in
the
total
I
mean
I
considering
what
we
are
dealing
with
as
as
a
city
to
awesome.
Have
anybody
say?
Oh,
I
should
have
a
five
percent
salary
increase,
because
I
have
only
gotten
the
colas,
like
everybody
else
has
only
got
nicolas.
Is
that
going
to
be
our
bargaining
position
as
you're
negotiating
contracts
with
unions.
D
D
So
then,
the
question
is
for
expensive
litigation,
you're
reducing
it
by.
D
C
No,
that's
not
true
that
for
this
year
for
2020,
we
added
on
a
new
expense
of
bringing
in
a
different
outside
counsel,
a
nationally
renowned
utilities
attorney
to
help
us
get
the
best
franchise
agreement
possible,
and
I
thought
that
because
the
council
wanted
to
be
heavily
involved
in
that
negotiations,
that
you
might
want
access
to
that
attorney
and
that
you
might
want
to
pitch
in.
I
didn't
I
I'm
not
walking
around
with
the
tin
cup.
We
found
the
money,
we
retained
the
attorney,
but
if
you
found
the
money
within.
D
D
D
Using
that
money
in
this
day
and
age,
when
the
when
the
city
is
facing
a
significant
tax
increase
for
the
taxpayers-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
ifs
in
our
in
our
budget
for
next
year
and
we're
asking
everybody
else
to
hold
the
line.
Essentially
so
everybody.
E
Else
to
chime
in
there
we
had
gone
around
at
the
during
when
covet
hit,
and
we
were
looking
at
all
the
departments
in
terms
of
what
are
areas
that
they
can
either
reduce
or
be
innovative
with
their
departments
to
generate
revenue,
and
when
we
were
discussing
this
with
marisa,
she
brought
this
this
concept.
The
contracted
services
line
was
reduced
by
the
amount
equal
to
roamers
retainer.
E
So
that's
that's
the
reduction
that
you're
seeing
in
their
contracted
services
line,
so
everything
else
is
holding
steady.
They
have
that
city's
rise
position,
which
is
making
it
look
like
in
the
budget
that
it's
it's
break
even
but
that's
that's
reimbursed
so
they're,
actually
seeing
about
a
five
to
ten
percent
reduction
in
their
budget
and
over
the
next
two
years.
While
that
grant
is
active,
we're
gonna
see
how
that
position
both
financially
and
operationally
affects
codes,
revenues
and
codes
operations.
E
So
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
law
department's
budget,
it's
it's
actually
decreasing
in
terms.
E
Well,
I
mean
it's:
it's
essentially
the
risk
that
the
corporation
council
is
is
taking
because
they're
they're,
taking
all
these
services
in-house
they're
going
to
be
handling.
All
this
I
mean
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
take
on,
and
you
know
you
know
with
with
that
comes
a
lot
of
responsibility.
There's
so.
D
Nick
nick,
the
answer
to
the
question
is,
I
believe
the
answer
to
the
question
is
zero.
With
regard
to
next
year's
budget,
I
don't
even
know
of
any
deputy
positions
that
are
seeing
an
increase
in
in
the
budget.
I
think
an
exception
for
increases
in
management
positions
is
somewhere
around
the
realm
of
about
five
positions
in
the
entire
budget
outside
of
corporation
council's
office
and.
A
D
Are
for
very
specific
changes
of
responsibilities
is
what
I
have
heard
during
the
presentations.
So
I
I'm
going
to
end
my
questions
for
now
right
there.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
judy.
I
would
just
add
that
I
have
similar
concerns
as
we
go
into
this
budget
year
about
increases
and
staff
are
increases
in
salaries
and
tom
your
hand
is
up.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Everybody
yeah.
I'm
really
happy
to
see
the
the
in-house
negotiation.
You
know
we're
gonna
have
to
do
those
negotiations
in-house
as
one
of
the
members
who
have
been
harping
that
we
really
should
be
negotiating
with
our
employees.
F
I
did
have
a
chance
to
sit
down
with
the
mayor,
maybe
six
weeks
ago,
seven
weeks
ago-
and
I
mentioned
to
her-
I'm
a
statewide
union
official
for
uup.
We
represent
44
000
people
who
work
at
suny
and
even
though
we
have
a
contract,
the
state
can
give
a
raise
at
any
time.
F
Not
using
you
know
not
negotiating
just
say:
you've
been
working
hard,
and
I
mentioned
to
the
mayor
that
if
the
police
could
get
them
like
a
one
percent
raise
or
do
something
because
it's
been
years
because
of
their
union
problems,
it's
not
the
city's
problem,
but
it's
something
internal,
but
we
have
policemen
out
there
they're
down
close
to
80
we're
waiting
for
this
other
class
to
graduate.
But
you
know
for
morale
purposes
and
stuff,
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
with
you.
F
If
you
are
doing
that
the
mayor
felt
it
would
be
illegal.
But
again,
I'm
telling
you
as
a
an
official
of
the
union.
I
don't
believe
it,
but
again,
contracts
for
different
unions
are
different.
So
I'd
like
you
to
look
at
that.
My
other
question
is
I've
been
trying
to
get
a
resident?
My
my
ward
wants
to
buy
a
paper
street
and
I'm
in
it's
been
at
least
six
months,
maybe
seven
months
I
keep
bugging
jr
to
send
out
at
you
know.
F
Where
are
we
at
how
long
should
it
take
to
be
able
to
do
an
estimate
and
get
us
the
information
on
so.
B
C
Yeah
selling
city
property
is
one
of
those
things.
I
think
that
would
unexpectedly
takes
up
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
here
at
the
law
department.
It
is,
it
is
quite
the
process
if
you
want
to
connect
me
to
the
person,
I'd
be
happy
to
look
into
it.
It
all
depends
really
on
if
there's
any
sort
of
assessed
value
if
there,
if
it's
on
the,
if
it's
our,
if
there's
already
an
assessed
value
on
the
rolls,
then
we
and
everybody
agrees
to
use
that
value.
Then
we
can.
C
We
don't
have
to
necessarily
get
an
independent
appraisal.
Sometimes
people
want
to
get
their
own
independent
appraisal
or
we
want
to
get
an
independent
appraisal
or
we
need
to
get
an
independent
appraisal,
because
it's
just
not
on
the
tax
rules
already,
so
that
can
take
additional
time.
So
there's
a
lot
of
variables.
C
At
that
point
it
goes
to
the
technical
review
committee
so
that
each
department
has
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
the
property,
decide
if
there's
a
water
main
underneath
it
see,
if
there's
any
reason
that
any
department
would
need
access
or
would
not
want
to
sell
that
property
or
has
use
for
the
property,
because
it's
actually
illegal
for
us
to
sell
a
property
if
there's
any
use
for
any,
like
municipal
use
for
that
property.
At
that
point,
if
it's
approved
internally,
it
would
go
to
the
common
council,
ideally
to
the
member
themselves.
C
We
usually
tell
the
applicant
to
approach
their
common
council
member
to
let
them
know
that
they're
interested
and
seek
their
approval,
and
then
you
know
that
can
take
some
time
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
variables
but
variables
that's
a
little
overview
of
the
process.
Sarah
on
our
staff
here
has
been
great
she's,
been
assigned
to
handling
the
many
land
transfers
that
we
do
so
we
can
get
them
connected
and
get
it
moving
or
at
least
get
them
an
answer.
Thank
you.
A
C
H
Thanks
thanks
marissa,
I
want
to
get
back
to
the
retainer
issue,
so
so
I,
what
I
heard
was
that
romer
is
no
longer
being
retained
and
we're
going
to
do
their
work
in
house.
C
We
will
be
taking
most
of
the
negotiation
piece
in-house
okay,
so
we
will,
because
you
know
this
is
a
new
area,
so
I
still
want
to
have
someone
on
contract
if
we
need
outside
counsel,
if
we
need
advice,
if
we
need,
you
know,
have
overwhelming
a
number
of
disciplinary
matters
in
our
on
our
hands
that
we
can't
handle
in-house.
C
So
we're
still
going
to
have
a
firm
on
contract,
they
will
be,
it
will
be
for
a
reduced
amount
of
services
and
therefore
it
will
be
for
a
reduced
retainer,
I'm
estimating
about
half
the
price.
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
will
be
roamer
or
not.
That
hasn't
been.
C
H
Okay
and
I
have
no
problem
there-
I
think
that
an
outside
council
does
bring
a
level
of
resources
that
we
might
not
have.
You
might
want
to
fall
back
on.
Can
you
what
are
the
other
retainers
we
have
and
their
scope.
C
Sure
so
the
only
other
retainer
agreement
we
have
is
for
civil
litigation
and
civil
rights
litigation,
mostly
federal
litigation,
and
that's
steve
reyfus.
A
C
Have
a
flat
monthly
retainer
with
him,
he
handles
all
of
the
federal
litigation.
It's
mostly
police
related,
that's
his
specialty
and
then
the
other
firms
that
we
have
on
contract
are
just
on
an
as
needed
basis.
So
if
we
need
a
particular
environmental
lawsuit,
we
have
people
that
specialize
in
that,
but
we
don't
necessarily
pay
them
unless
we
have
a
need.
H
Okay,
so
the
365
includes
the
retainers
we
have
with
with
steve
rayfus
and
whatever
we're
doing
with
a
the
labor
contract
and
then
the
others
that
you
have
out.
You
don't
have
retainers,
but
you
have
firms
that
are
used
as
needed
and
that
expense
comes
out
of
the
expensive
litigation
line.
Correct
okay
and
you
also
mentioned
a
an
outside
attorney.
We
retained
for
the
the
franchise
agreement,
yes,
okay,
which
expires
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
plan
is
right
now.
H
C
The
contract
we
contacted
the
psc
just
to
make
sure-
and
our
outside
counsel
assured
us
that
so,
for
instance,
troy's
franchise
agreement
has
been
expired,
was
expired
for
10
years.
So
I.
G
H
C
H
If
that
committee
has
met
it
has
it
has,
is
that
the
is
that
the
the
work
group.
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
it's
called
a
work
group.
Oh.
A
B
I
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
actually
I
don't
have
the
exact
date,
but
I
look
forward
jared
to
kind
of
put
you
on
the
list.
I
guess
future.
H
A
A
conversation
that
we
had
before
because
when
you
sent
the
letters
I
called
you
and
said
I'm
not
supposed
to
get
a
letter.
Richard
is,
and
so
that's
why
you
sent
him
the
letter.
But
obviously
you
didn't
tell
people
so
if,
if
you
can
make
sure
he's
on
the
list,
that
would
be
great.
H
H
H
C
H
Okay,
I
think
that's
all.
I
have
right
now:
okay,
thanks.
I
Yes,
first,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
also
want
to
thank
your
office
for
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
in
these
challenging
times.
I
You
know
over
the
past
couple
of
years
since
I've
been
on
the
council,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
advocated
for
and
also
I've
advocated
for-
and
you
know
my
good
friends
in
the
past
who
used
to
be
on
the
council
advocated
for
is
how
do
we
deal
with
labor
negotiations
in-house
and
it
seemed
like
you're
taking
that
step
forward
and
I'm
I'm
quite
frankly,
I'm
pleased
to
see
it.
I
know
there
are
some
people
that
are
have
some.
I
I
have
some
concerns
as
related
to
raises,
but
in
my
opinion
I
think
that
if
you're
going
to
be
taking
on
some
of
these,
you
know
negotiation
opportunities.
Individuals
should
be
compensated
for
it.
You
know,
there's
a
saying:
you
can't
have
your
cake
and
eat
it
too,
and
we
of
all
on
the
council
have
been
advocating
for
negotiation
contracts
to
be
done
in-house
and
now
some
people
have
some
concerns,
but
that's
not
hero
there.
My
question
more
so
is
the
position
that
is
currently
vacant.
I
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
that
position
and
what
is
going
to
be
different?
I
thought
that
position
also
deal
with
labor
negotiations
and
just
kind
of
just
do
a
compare
contracts
and
just
tell
me
what
would
be
different
from
that
position
with
this
new
initiative
that
you
you
plan
on
moving
forward.
C
Sure
yeah
it
it
is,
it
is
similar.
You
know
it's
it's
pg's
position
and
pg
is
moved
on
to
be
a
department
head.
So
what
she
did
was
a
lot
of
the
disciplinary
hearings
and
negotiations
that
come
from
every
department.
C
Every
department
has
their
own
procedure,
their
own
union
contract
that
they
follow
when
it
comes
to
discipline,
so
that
takes
up
a
large
amount
of
our
time.
This
person
would
also
be
tasked
with
working
with
mike
wheeler
and
the
budget
department
on
all
of
the
labor
negotiations
contracts
or
most
of
them.
I
should
say
there
are
a
couple
that
are
still
going
to
require
some
outside
advice,
but
that
is
to
be
determined.
C
The
person
would
be
charged
with
doing
all
of
our
arbitrations
in
front
of
perb
handling,
all
the
grievances
that
come
from
the
contracts
and
the
improper
pursuit
practice
challenges
that
we
receive
on
a
regular
basis.
So
it's
a
big
workload,
I'm
really
looking
for
someone
who
has
some
labor
experience
that
can
come
on
and
really
jump
in
to
that
position.
C
I
have
the
budget
line
at
85,
I'm
hoping
to
not
have
to
use
all
of
that,
but
I
need
to
I
do.
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
someone
that
has
some
labor
and
employment
experience
to
can
jump
in
that
position,
especially
since
we're
reducing
our
outside
counsel
services.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
I
Yeah.
Thank
you
next
question.
More
so
diversity,
you
know
city
government.
Very
often
people
talk
about
diversity,
diversity,
diversity.
But
when
you
look
at
city
hall,
you
know
when
you
look
at
high
paying
jobs
within
the
city
of
albany.
It's
typically
not
black
and
brown
people
in
those
positions.
When
it
comes
to
your
department,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit?
What
are
some
of
the
efforts
that
you
have
done
to
try
to
diversify
your
office.
C
Yeah
absolutely-
and
you
know
that
you
actually
kind
of
read
my
mind-
it's
something
I'm
sort
of
I'm
very
conscious
about
you
know
I
we
you're
very
good
at
I
think,
recruiting
and
training
very
talented
people
of
color
and
black
people,
and
then
they
always
seem
to
get
promoted.
C
So
you
know
it's
happened
to
us
with
over
with
like
three
people
that
I
can
think
of
on
top
of
my
head,
but
it's
something
I'm
always
striving
for
it's
really
hard.
It's
really
hard
to
recruit
and
keep
good
people,
and
it's
something
that
we
struggle
with
in
law
department,
especially
for
people,
people
of
color
and
black
people
and
attorneys
in
particular.
C
The
bar
association.
You
know,
has
an
internship
program,
a
diversity,
internship
program
that
I'd
love
to
be
a
part
of,
but
they
won't.
Let
me
in
they
only
place
people
with
private
private
firms
and
private
companies.
So
I
I
I'm
still
I'm
I'm
trying
to
you,
know
the
old-fashioned,
networking
and
recruiting
and
word
of
mouth.
I
always
welcome
help.
If
you,
you
know,
know
any
aspiring
attorneys
that
want
to
come
here.
C
So
it's
something
I'm
very
self-conscious
of
and
always
striving
to
do,
better,
with
hiring
and
promoting
and
recruiting
and
training
a
more
diverse
staff.
I
Thank
you,
and
also
I
want
to
ask
a
question
about
with
the
rise
grant
that
we're
receiving
as
relates
to
building
and
codes,
what
are
some
of
the
and
is
it
rob
mcgee
that
would
be
overseeing
that
type
of
position
or
who's
in
that
position
there.
C
Rob
is
overseeing
the
city's
rise
person
who
we
hired
chris,
so
you
know
I
I
oversee
all
of
them,
but
rob
rob
and
chris
work
closely
together
on
the
codes
issues
so
yeah.
B
Hi
well,
as
most
of
you
know,
I've
been
fighting
for
past
administrations
trying
to
keep
the
salaries
up
there,
because
I've
seen
so
many
great
attorneys
young
attorneys
leave
as
soon
as
they
had
some
a
chance
to
jump
in
any
money
and
they
need
it.
They
need
it
because
they
have
young
families.
Also,
one
of
the
biggest
steps
was
I.
B
It
was
hard
getting
it
through
a
former
deputy
mayor,
but
having
having
steps
put
in
there.
Okay,
like
attorney,
I
know,
there's
some
left
over,
I
think,
to
change
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
different
steps
for
first,
two
whatever,
and
I'm
glad
that
has,
I
think,
worked
out-
it's
helped
a
little
bit,
but
we're
still
up
against
the
state
and
in
the
money.
As
far
as
the
discussion,
I
think
judy
and
you
had
a
little
while
ago
about
not
seeing
raises
on
other
commissioners
and
things.
That's
not
true.
B
I
think
the
start
of
this
administration
dgs
got
some
pretty
hefty
raises
chief
of
police
got
one
hefty
raise
just
to
get
him
meant
to
come
to
this
city.
It
was
by
far
the
largest
race
I've
ever
seen
in
this
day,
but
hopefully
a
lot
of
these
things
will
work
out
now.
B
For
years
we
had
part-time
attorneys.
Actually,
I
think
my
first
year
in
they
did
away
with
them
and
there
was
discussion
whether
we'd
save
money,
and
we
could
get
someone
which
might
be
good
as
a
laborer.
An
employment
attorney
has
that
was
that
ever
discussed,
or
was
it
just
excluded
because
of
part-time
positions?.
C
Yeah,
no,
that
is
an
idea
that
I've
sort
of
been
thinking
about.
I
have
I
have
a
couple:
applicants
that
have
pretty
good
labor
and
labor
and
employment
experience
right
now,
so
I'm
sort
of
exploring
those
options
first,
but
a
part-time
person,
it
is
a
is,
I
think,
a
really
good
option.
So
it's
definitely
something
we're
going
to
consider.
B
Hope
for
disciplinary
things
or
if
this
attorney
are
hiring,
will
he'd
be
able
to
do
help
out
in
other
ways.
It's
not
a
full-time.
You
know
position
just
negotiating.
C
Well,
no
I'd
say,
I
think,
you're
right
then
just
the
negotiations
wouldn't
be,
but
we
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
discipline:
grieve
grievances,
union
grievances
and
ip
charges
where
that
are
all
the
time
we
have
a
lot
of
police
discipline.
Those
arbitrations
are
very
have
a
really
heavy
workload.
I
mean
it's
like
doing
a
full
trial,
so
you'd
be
surprised.
It's
every
department
has
their
own
particular
disciplinary
discipline
issues
and
then
there's
also
the
whole
just
the
like
general
labor
and
employment
law
questions
so
like
our
payroll
and
hr.
C
Orders
and
payroll
taxes
and
there's
all
sorts
of
legal
questions
that
come
out
of
each
department
regarding
labor
law,
so
you'd
be
surprised.
It's
it's
a
pretty
heavy
workload.
B
Okay,
another
question:
rick
lejoy
brought
up
in
our
meeting
the
other
night.
Some
of
the
things
that
he
wants
to
get
going.
One
of
them
is
about
changing
the
rops
back
down
to
was
it
24.
B
Months
is
that
lit,
or
is
that
or
nin's
being
work
done
right
now?
Was
I'd
like
to
get
it
ready
before
the
first
year
was,
I
think,
we're
losing
an
opportunity,
we're
losing
money,
and
I
forget
what
the
other
one
was.
He
wanted
to
change,
but
yeah
yeah
doing
some
things
administratively,
etc.
C
Yes,
we
we
are
looking
taking
a
look
at
possibly.
C
Taking
our
code
enforcement
was
administrative,
some
other
cities
do
that
we're
taking
a
close
look
at
it
and
seeing
if
it
could
work
here
and
then,
as
far
as
the
legislation
goes,
that's
something
that
rob
and
chris
have
been
working
on
a
package
of
like
landlord
tenant
related
bills
that
you
will
see
soon.
They
had
a
big
hearing
meetings.
C
I
Yeah,
just
a
real,
a
really
fast
one
regarding
the
question
that
igor
was
asking
as
it
relates
to,
if,
once
we
negotiate
our
contracts,
if
you
have
staffers
not
saying
they
will
have
free
time,
but
right
now
we
have
jr
who's
our
counsel.
He
does
a
lot
of
work.
He
introduced
legislation
for
us.
I
He
researched,
there's
a
whole
host
of
things
that
he
does,
and
I
think
sometimes
the
workload
is
a
little
bit
heavy
when
it
comes
to
and
currently
he's
the
lowest
paid
attorney
in
the
city
of
albany
and
the
only
person
of
color
in
the
city
of
albany
so
just
want
to
put
down
the
record,
but
as
it
relates
to
like
taking
some
of
the
the
work
office
of
his
plate,
is
there
somebody
in
your
office
that
could
deal
help
the
council
with
legislation
or
even
introduce,
or
even
when
we
pass
ideas
that
that's
able
to
do
some
of
the
legislation
for
the
council?
C
Yeah
absolutely
brett
is
around
and
available.
You
know
we
keep
him
busy
with
other
things
as
well,
but
I'm
sure
that
he'd
be
happy
to
help
jr.
If
there's
something
specific
or
there's
a
specific
ordinance,
you
guys
need
help
with
yeah.
We
can
absolutely
jump
in.
I
Can
council
members
give
direct
like
ideas
to
brett
to
introduce
the
legislation
or
just
research?
It
sure
like
what
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
our
relationship
is
with
the
council
record
council
as
relates
to
introduction
of
legislation
or
any
legislative
ideas.
C
B
From
the
past,
different
attorneys
in
the
corp
council
actually
used
to
do
the
drafting
for
them
and
then
pass
them
up
because
they
had
more
experience
on
it.
Okay,
get
things
done
a
lot
faster,
whether
it
was
patrick
or
jeff
or
whatever.
C
B
Yes,
yes,
you
for
a
while
there
right,
yeah
things
worked
out.
Well,
sometimes
a
lot
smoother
as
you
look
at
each
other's
thing,
pass
it
back
and
forth.
You
aren't
doing
a
lot
of
renumbering
and
reading.
You
know.
Yeah
you'll
have
more
experience
at
least
the
drafting
that
maybe
jr
has
so.
C
B
A
D
So
my
understanding
is
that
corporation
council
is
our
council,
that
that
is
by
law,
your
relationship
to
our
council
and
that,
indeed,
that
there
are
plenty
of
cities
around
the
state
that
do
not
have
an
attorney
on
staff
partially
because
they
simply
rely
on
corporation
counsel.
So
with
mr
anani
asking
that
question,
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
I
I
don't
think
that
there
should
be
any
kind
of
dividing
line.
D
What
has
happened
during
my
time
on
the
council
is
that
sometimes
people
will
feel
more
comfortable
asking
somebody
in
corporation
council's
office
for
assistance.
Barbara
was
part-time
for
for
the
first
and
she
was
our
counsel
for
the
first.
I
think,
four
years
that
I
was
on
the
council,
so
so
we
absolutely
had
to
rely
on
a
corporation
council's
office,
and
I
do
think
that
there
are
sufficient
legislative
issues
and
legislative
ideas
that
we
should
be
addressing.
D
One
of
the
things
I
would
love
to
see
us
do
is
get
rid
of
some
of
the
absolutely
antiquated
and
outdated
provisions
in
the
code,
and
that
is
actually
something
I
would
love
to
have
somebody
in
your
office,
you
know,
take
a
look
at
and
see
if
there
are,
you
know,
sections
that
we
can
just
simply
do
away
with.
I
mean
some
of
them.
You
know
date
back
to.
I
want
to
say,
like
in
the
1800s.
C
Yes,
there
there
are
sections
about
horses
and
stuff,
and
it's
funny
you
say
that
when,
when
we
were
all
home
on
lockdown
I
I
had
assigned,
we
had
some
down
time
because
the
courts
were
closed.
So
I
had
assigned
everyone
as
part
of
the
code
to
review
just
to
do
what
we
call
a
cleanup.
C
So
we've
actually
started
that
process
and
I
I
will
go
on
record
to
make
you
a
promise
this
year
that
we
will.
We
will
at
least
we
should
at
least
do
it's
overwhelming
to
do
all
at
once,
but
we
should
at
least
introduce
a
section
of
it
to
you
like
this
this
upcoming
year,
because
it
is
something
we've
been
thinking
about
and
working
on.
D
It
absolutely
would
be
overwhelming
to
do
all
at
once,
but
I
think
that
we
there
we
can
take
pieces
of
it.
You
know
you
know
you
know
I
want
to
say
chapter
by
chapter.
I
think
that
there's
like
140
chapters
or
something
like
that.
So
even
if
we
had
like
you,
know
three
chapters
you
know
introduced
each
month.
I
think
that
that
would
be
very
worthwhile.
D
I
hear
this
periodically
from
constituents,
but
more
so
actually
from
administrative
staff
in
different
departments
that
kind
of
make
fun
of
the
common
council,
because
we're
not
going
in
and
doing
some
corrections
for
these
things
that
are
that
are
antiquated,
and
I
think,
and
in
some
cases
we
have
stuff
that
is
internally
inconsistent
and
makes
things
confusing
because
of
it,
and
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
tackle
those
first,
but
some
of
you
know,
but
anything
anything
that
would
be
great
actually.
C
It's
interesting
to
judy
that
you
bring
this
up
because
danielle
and
I
had
just
recently
found
this
old
document
that
we
had
paid
e-code
to
do
exactly
what
you're
saying
it
was
before
my
time
and
who
knows
how
much
we
paid,
because
we
asked
them:
how
much
would
it
cost
for
you
to
do
this
now,
and
it
was
a
good
sum
of
money.
But
it's
interesting
that
you
know
everyone.
People
have
been
trying
to
do
exactly
what
you're
saying
for
a
long
long
time,
but
we're
going
to
make
it
happen.
A
I
marissa
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
your
team
does.
We
really
appreciate
you
and
everything
corp
council
does
and
I
apologize.
If
I
am
you
know,
my
migraine
is
impacting
my
perkiness,
but
another
time
I
will
wax
poetic
about
how
awesome.
C
C
A
Yeah
we
just
have
to
get
through
this
budget
thing.
I'm
sure
nick
has
migraines
too
sometimes.
A
So
I
think
that
we're
supposed
to
have
a
a
budget
discussion
as
well
marisa,
if
you
want
to
you,
do
not
need
to
stay
any
longer,
I'm
not
sure.
If
anybody,
I
will
say
I'm
not
at
as
great
as
I
normally
could
be
to
lead
a
budget
discussion.
A
I
will
note
in
the
numbers
that
were
sent
over.
There
was
a
raise
for
the
auditor
in
there
and
that's
we
actually
can't
do
that
can't
be
part
of
the
budget.
Any
elected
official
in
the
city
of
albany
has
to
you
can't
raise
this
up.
Richard
probably
can
was.
A
The
children,
okay,
then
that
makes
sense
all
right
I
was
I
was
going
to
say.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
we
can't
do
that,
but
just
a
position
called
the
other
okay.
That
makes
sense
then,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
anybody
wanted
to
discuss
those
that
information
that
nick
blase
sent
around.
A
H
Yeah,
I
was
just
thinking,
although
we
are
getting
to
the
point
where
we
need
to
start
formalizing,
recommend
or
begin
to
get
recommendations
out
there.
I
assume
we're
targeting
our
november
16
meeting
as
the
date.
We
want
to
pass
things
so
probably
if
individual
members
have
items
suggestions,
areas
or
whatever
they
should
start
getting
that
in,
even
if
we're
not
discussing
it
tonight
or
anything
like
that,
but
maybe
that
might
be
something
to
put
out
there
for
people.
A
Absolutely
thank
you
for
that
richard
and
I'm
just
gonna
michelle
and
jr.
If
you
guys
could
help
me
remember
that
tomorrow,
so
we
can
send
that
out
to
kind
of
ask
members
if
there's
anything
different
than
was
in
the
budget
than.
G
Also
for
the
bond
ordinance,
I
did
send
out
that
chart
if
anybody
has
any
suggestion
for,
like
you
know,
edits
or
changes
in
the
numbers,
because
I
did
send
also
the
open
accounts.
Looking
at
some
of
the
balances,
I
know,
judy's,
usually
pretty
good
with
that,
seeing
in
different
places
where
we
might
have
to
reduce
some
of
the
requests.
G
Usually
you
know
last
year
around
this
time
we
already
had
some
recommendation,
so
I
think
by
next
week
or
the
next
two
weeks,
we're
gonna
have
to
really
start
filling
that
up
because
they
do
take
time
and
it's
time
consuming
for
the
edits.
So
I
have
to
start
looking
at
that.
C
B
D
Can
so
I
just
opened
up
the
budget
amendment
sheet
and
there's
quite
a
few
things
on
there.
I
think
that
we
didn't
we
haven't
discussed.
I
think
the
I
I
think
this
she
comes
from
the
division
budget
or
the
budget
department.
D
Yes,
for
this
would
be,
this
is
an
excel
sheet
that
what
we
do
is
we
typically
have
an
overriding
resolution
that
says
we're
adopting
these
salary
changes,
and
so
there
are,
there
are
quite
a
few
changes
and
there,
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
changes
that
we
have
discussed
that
are
not
in
there.
D
So
it
looks
to
me
like
have
we
discussed
the
fact
that
the
mayor
is
asking
her
salary
to
be
increased.
A
So
that,
actually
I
I
brought
that
up
to
her
she
in
the
budget
book
she
put
her
salary
in
at
35
000..
They,
you
can't
rate
yeah.
You
can't
raise
or
lower
a
salary,
so
she's
actually
just
bringing
her
salary
up
to
what
it
is
statute.
D
H
Other
thing
that
I
just
want
to
mention
something
on
that
sorry
judy
just
while
I'm
thinking
about
it,
while
you
have
well
she
has
to
for
elected
officials,
you
have
to
put
the
salary
at
that
level,
I'm
wondering
if
there
can
be
a
like,
we
might
do
a
vacancy
savings
or
a
offset
line
in
there.
H
D
D
So
I,
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
note-
is
that
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
to
send
around
last
year's
budget
intent
memo
that
we
adopted
to
get
the
juices
flowing
with
regard
to.
Even
if
we
don't
change
anything
or
if
we
are
changing
anything.
We
want
to
have
some
sort
of
explanation
in
our
budget
intent
memo
for
what
we
are
doing,
including
noting
that
we're
going
to
be
adopting
a
resolution
with
some
changes
in
here.
D
Some
of
the
reasons
why
some
of
these
salaries
are
being
changed,
etc,
but,
but
there
you
know,
there
may
be
things
from
last
year
that
we
want
to
reiterate
or
have
a
little
bit
further
dialogue
about
what
we
want
to
say
about
that.
D
A
I
don't
think
that
that's
enough
time
to
actually
talk
about
there's
you
know.
G
That
would
be
the
I
think
the
best
time
would
be
november
12th,
because
I'm
looking
at
it
some
of
the
discussions
that
I
added
some
of
the
ordinance
and
resolution
I
added
to
november
4th
and
knife
meet,
and
it's
going
to
be
pretty
lengthy.
It's
it's
a
lot,
we're
starting
to
look
at
the
bond
ordinance,
the
knife.
So
that's
something
we
can
add
to
discussion
to
that
too.
G
D
And
you
know,
potentially
I
don't
know
a
section
numbers
of
the
local
finance
law
and
that
we
usually
list
that
in
the
right
hand,
column
just
so
that
everybody
knows
and
we
have,
and
we
have
a
record
of
what
is
being
adopted,
because
that
document
then
is
very
helpful
to
the
treasurer's
office
and
the
budget
office
and
the
auditor's
office
in
terms
of
what
did
we
specifically
authorize
and
what
do
the?
What
goes
into
the
actual
bonding
documents
for
their
council?
D
And
so
in
the
past.
That
has
what
has
been
relied
on
by
mr
shanafar.
Sometimes
he
doesn't
100,
get
it
right,
but.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
points
that
people
want
to
bring
up
big,
thank
you
to
richard
and
judy
for
bringing
up
those
pieces
so
that
we
can
continue
to
focus
on
them
so
and
michelle.
Thank
you
for
sending
that
around.
A
Everybody
to
look
over
the
budget
intent
from
last
year
and
start
to
think
about
your
recommendations
that
you
can
forward
to
me,
so
we
can
start
to
put
it
together,
so
everybody
have
a
great
night,
we'll
see
you
on
monday.
Next
time
I
will
be
a
lot
chippier
more
chipper.
I
hope-
and
I
hope
everybody
has
a
really
great
weekend
and
a
very
safe
halloween.