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Description
Full Council Budget Caucus
A
So
I'm
calling
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
finance
taxation
and
assessment
committee,
combined
with
the
full
council
caucus
budget
caucus
present.
Our
committee
members,
Farrell,
O'brien
and
Robinson
other
members
present
is
our
president
mr.
Ellis,
our
President
Pro
Tem
mr.
Kimbrough,
mr.
ballerinas,
love,
nany
and
I.
Think
I
saw.
B
A
A
A
Following
receiving
this,
I
did
note
to
them
that
they
had
provided
an
amendment
to
the
mayor's
budget
message,
noting
that
the
increase
in
the
budget
is
not
one
point,
two
five
percent,
but
is
two
point:
three
nine
percent,
and
then
they
also
included
a
change
for
the
six
year
time
frame.
Since
the
mayor
has
taken
office
that
the
increase
was
not
one
point,
eight
seven
percent-
what
they
have
put
it
down
is
two
point.
A
F
A
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
you,
know,
I
think
the
arguments
can
be
made
either
way.
Usually
the
budget
document
is
the
budget
document
and
we
are
essentially
approving
not
only
of
the
expenditures
but
of
the
narratives
that
are
contained
in
that
with
regard
to
programmatic
changes,
etc.
That
then
are
supported
by
the
budget,
so
I'm
just
I'm,
just
saying
that
as
a
sort
of
a
foundation,
we
are
now
going
to
be
discussing
the
amendments.
Mr.
Bauer.
A
A
Potentially
adopting
the
budget
along
with
amendments
or
not
amend
it's
depending
upon
whether
or
not
those
amendments
are
adopted
by
the
body.
We
also
have
last
week
at
the
Finance
Committee
meeting,
we
agreed
to
amend
the
curbside
waste
collection
fee
proposed
legislation
which
would
then
extend
the
the
curbside
waste
collection
fee
through
December
31st
at
well.
What
extended
for
$90,
we
agreed
to
amend
it
to
include,
as
many
people
had
wanted,
a
sunset
that
would
have
it
that
we
added
language
so
it
with
sunset
in
discount
on
December
31st
2022.
A
I'm
going
to
I,
don't
we
did
take
action
on
that?
We
voted
it
out
of
committee,
as
amended.
I
did
find
out
that
there
was
a
question
about
whether
the
penalty
is
per
unit
or
per
property,
and
my
understanding
mr.
Conti,
that
mr.
Sean
Forrester's
person
said
it's
per
unit
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
not
taking
that
ambiguity
misinterpreting
it
and
then
adding
a
greater
penalty
than
has
been
interpreted.
A
To
incorporate
the
changes
that
make
it
clear
that
there
will
not
be
an
annual
review
of
the
fee,
it
will
be
$90
until
such
time
essential.
We
might
decide
for
to
take
other
action
in
it
and
amend
it
or
otherwise,
at
least
until
December
31st
of
2022.
Are
there
any
questions
about
that?
So
the
goal
is
to
amend
it
now,
so
that
we
can
take
action
at
our
first
meeting
in
December
on
that.
Are
there
any
questions
on
that
all
right?
A
So
then,
moving
on
to,
in
addition
to
the
ordinance
for
the
potential
adoption
of
the
budget,
I
have,
with
the
help
of
a
couple,
other
people
done
up
a
budget
intent
resolution
explaining
some
of
the
findings
of
the
committee
on
tax
and
finance.
That,
essentially,
will
be
the
findings
of
the
full
council
and
issues
of
concern
and
consideration
of
potential
amendments.
A
Unlike
prior
years,
I
usually
have
known
where
we're
going
for
sure
with
regard
to
the
adoption
or
not
so
what
I've
noted
in
the
budget
intent
memo
is
what
the
proposed
amendments
that
have
been
prepared
say
about
that
it
doesn't
assume
one
way
or
the
other
whether
it
passes
or
not
or
is
incorporated
into
this
I
think.
The
next
order
of
business
is
to
discuss
amendment
a
as
proposed
and.
A
A
It
does
not
want
to
spend
time
further
discussions
regarding
the
budget
after
tonight.
So
if
the
budget
is
not
acted
upon
tonight,
then
what
would
happen
is
it
would
take
effect
by
operation
of
law
if
it's
not
acted
on
by
November
30th,
it
would
take
effect
as
currently
proposed
in
what
we
received
on
October
1st,
any
questions
about
that
all.
A
Do
people
want
to
need
to
go
through
the
amendments
in
amendment
a
or
all
right,
so
this
was
I.
Think
just
a
little
bit
of
background
last
Thursday
missileer
has
asked
that
we
go
through
the
concerns
that
had
been
raised
regarding
the
budget
and
identify
what
we
could
amend
to
the
extent
that
we
can
amend
the
budget
to
address
particular
issues
and
what
we
could
not
amend
that
might
be
appropriate
for
the
budget
intent
memo
instead.
A
We've
learned
that
the
administration
planned
to
use
1.8
million
dollars
from
our
debt
reserves,
which
are
at
approximately
five
point,
nine
million
dollars
and,
however,
that
was
not
contained
in
the
budget.
The
fact
that
we
were
going
to
be
authorizing
or
that
the
intent
was
that
we
would
authorize
about
1.8
million
dollars
to
be
transferred
from
debt
reserve
to
help
pay
for
debt
service
was
not
reflected
in
the
budget.
A
So
at
this
point,
after
considerable
discussions
on
that
particular
point,
this
particular
budget
will
amend
the
expenditures
to
increase
the
debt
service.
Four
to
one
point,
add
one
point:
eight
million
dollars
to
the
debt
service,
which
will
bring
the
amount
of
expense
of
authorization
up
to
about
twenty
three
point:
six
million
dollars
for
the
debt
service,
which
is
an
obligation
you
have
that
we
have
no
way
of
lessening
that
obligation.
We
as
a
body
where's
the
city.
We
have
already
it's
kind
of
like
basically
saying
I'm
not
going
to
pay
my
mortgage,
so
this
will.
A
This
is
what
that
first
amendment
does,
and
it
also
now
reflects
the
inter
fund
revenue
transfers,
which
is
the
payment
of
1.8
million
dollars
out
of
the
debt
reserve.
Previously
the
interfund
revenue
showed
the,
but
that
it
was
transferring
about
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
now
it
will
be
1.8
million
and
$50,000
in
that.
So
that's
what
the
the
first
part
deals
with
then
moving
on
to
budget
Corrections,
technical
and
formatting
amendments
I,
want
to
say,
I.
A
A
B
A
With
E,
with
regard
to
item
B
for
those
of
you
who
have
your
budget,
it's
on
page
this
immense
page,
eight
simply
to
show
that
the
essentially
interfund
transfer
and
add
appropriated
debt
fund
reserves
of
1.8
million
dollars.
As
mr.
wheeler
noted
and
my
conversations
with
the
OSC,
these
kind
of
transfers
really
aren't
revenues,
but
they
are
the
transfer
from
essentially
from
savings
that
are
being
used
to
then
help
come
up
with
the
total
amount
to
pay
for
all
of
our
expenditures.
I
note
that
this
results
in
the
the
total
budget
appearing
to
be
increased.
A
So
on
page
nine
we
are
adding
that
amount
to
the
debt
reserve,
which
brings
the
total
amount
of
that
I'm.
Excuse
me:
oh
yeah,
the
total
amount
we
are
adding
a
line
for
an
appropriated
debt
reserve
line
that
reflects
that
change.
On
page
8
on
page
10,
we
are
adding
1.8
million
dollars
to
debt
service
to
bring
it
up
to
our
total
obligation
for
2020,
which
is
twenty
three
point:
six
three
three
point:
six:
zero
zero
million
dollars
and
then
the
total
amount
of
expenditures
is
181
million.
A
A
The
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
because,
after
discussions
with
the
administration,
there
is
generally
agreement
that
the
challenge
lines
for
the
police
and
the
fire
department
that
were
rolling
up
into
our
retirement
were
really
not
appropriate
to
be
listed
as
part
of
retirement
expenses,
so
retirement
expenses
is
clearly
spelled
out
for
places
in
the
budget,
identify
that
in
the
workplaces
in
the
budget
and
the
total
of
those
sums
is
this.
Fourteen
million
six
hundred
fifty
8.4
thousand
three
hundred
thirteen
dollars.
A
Because
we
still
need
to
reflect
those
challenge
lines,
it
was
felt
that
we
should
take
the
reduction
from
show
that
reduction
in
operating
expense,
so
that
has
been
decreased
by
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
There
was
some
debate
because
in
the
fire
department
it
showed
up
as
a
benefit
in
the
police
department.
It
showed
up
in
equipment
the
savings
of
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
each.
A
A
G
D
B
A
So
this
is
where
there
is
a
more
detailed
breakdown
of
the
various
expenditures
on
page
11,
and
so
then
also
the
summary
needs
to
be.
The
total
amount
needs
to
be
changed
to
reflect
it's
covering
the
81
million
dollars
instead
of
179
million
dollars,
and
also
we
are
changing
the
title
page
to
2020
summary
of
expenditures,
as
opposed
to
2019.
A
Again,
this
is
its,
whereas
page
11
is
the
detailed
report
of
expenditures.
Page
6
pages
12
through
17
are
the
detailed
revenue
lines
so
they're,
showing
the
debt
Reserve
transfer
there
and
increasing
that
line
by
1.8
million
dollars
on
page
17
again,
the
revenues
all
show
up
as
a
total
and
again,
we
need
to
reflect
the
fact
that
the
budget
is
actually
181
million
dollars,
not
179,
and
that
changes
being
made.
A
A
There
was
an
initial
error
in
the
budget
with
regard
to
what
was
reflected
in
any
case,
and
they
asked
us
to
change
that,
but
in
any
case
we're
changing
it
to
bring
it
to
the
total
amount
of
debt
service
do
for
serial
bonds
in
2020.
So
it
is
supposed
to
be
seventeen
million
five
thousand
dollars,
and
that
is
also
reflected
in
the
category
totals
and
then
also
the
entire
debt
service
department
totals,
including
the
interest
is
twenty
million
one
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
four
hundred
and
twenty
six
dollars.
A
This
is
where
the
capital
budget
for
2020
showed
up
and
also
the
five-year
capital
budget
was
supposed
to
be
the
and-
and
there
were
some
basic
omissions,
I
think
more.
So,
in
this
the
administration
had
and
intended
to
include
3.5
million
dollars
for
Street
reconstruction.
What
appeared
in
the
budget
initially
was
three
million
dollars
so
that
changes
being
picked
up.
So
we
have
two
pages
where
we
have
the
2020
budget
and
then
two
pages
where
we
have
the
five-year
capital
budget
and
the
five-year
capital
budget
includes
the
2020
budget.
A
They
also
there
was
a
subsequent
change
that
was
made,
that
we
got
on
October
17th
to
the
five-year
capital
plan
that
and
into
the
2020
capital
budgets
that
showed
planning
had
about
eight
million
dollars
worth
of
additional
projects
that
needed
to
be
included
in
the
budget.
Mr.
wheeler,
let
me
know
that
they
had
not
anticipated
that
that
was
going
to
be
part
of
the
budget,
but
then
they
learned
that
it
needed
to
be
included
in
the
budget.
A
So
when
you
look
at
number
I,
it
is
showing
the
addition
of
those
items
I'm
wrong.
I
apologize,
it's
not
8
million
additional,
it's
6
million,
I
think
I
misspoke,
and
then
you
need
to
change
the
totals
on
the
page,
and
then
we
are
essentially
doing
the
same
thing
when
it
comes
to
the
five-year
capital
plan.
A
A
H
A
A
A
A
C
A
B
A
Me
just
note
for
people
we
have,
you
have
the
budget
intent
memo
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
is
in
addition
to
what
we
could
put
in
amendments.
What
would
not
be
reflected
in
amendments
and
so
things
that
things
that
we
do
not
have
the
authority
or
the
ability
to
change
are
any
of
the
salary
adjustments.
A
H
I
G
C
B
A
Some
some
things
that
are
not
addressing
the
amendments
that
we're
addressing
in
the
budget
intent
memo
is
the
support.
The
continuing
support
for
all
these
fair
share
concerns
about
salary
increases
for
that
salary
increases
for
the
bulk
of
our
employees.
Non-Union
employees
are
at
1%,
but
there
are
certain
individuals
who
have
been
sitting
out.
There's
about
I.
Think
that
there's
about
not
counting
the
water
department,
I
think
that
there's
about
25
increases
of
between
3
and
40
percent.
A
There
certainly
is
a
certain
man
of
frustration.
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
speaking
and
trying
to
say
it's
universal
frustration,
but
with
regard
to
some
of
our
employees,
are
making
very
low
wages
and
then
only
getting
a
1%
increase.
And
then
we
have
other
individuals
who
are
getting
very
substantial
increases,
and
it
was
suggested
that
we
should
ask
for
there
to
be
a
commission
to
our
commission
for
there
to
be
an
outside
entity
to.
A
A
A
It
is
the
the
pfm
has
noted.
Essentially,
this
is
just
a
a
list
of
key
projects
and
that
there
does
not
appear
to
be
a
full,
comprehensive,
historic
catalogue
of
all
approved
projects
or
expected
costs
approved
and
funded
amounts,
including
detailed
breakouts,
by
funding
source
progress
on
completion
remaining
project
elements.
A
It's
been
noted
that
the
city
charter
requires
the
budget
to
include
a
five-year
capital
plan
with
a
clear
general
summary
of
its
contents,
a
list
of
all
capital
projects
to
be
undertaken
during
the
ensuing
five
years.
Cost
estimates
sources
of
funding
where
appropriate
time
schedules
for
each
improvement
and
that
this
is
supposed
to
be
revised,
updated
and
extended
each
year
with
regard
to
capital
improvements
still
pending
or
in
the
process
of
construction
or
acquisition,
and
the
this
is
something
that
has
been
note
was
noted
in
last
year's
budget
intent
memo.
A
From
the
Office
of
State
Controller
that
the
FM
report
are
largely
lifted
from
last
year's
budget
defense.
Memo
I
have
also
noted
in
here
that
the
OSC
has
a
local
government
management
guide
covering
multi-year
capital
planning
that
outlines
the
process
for
capital
planning
and
the
need
to
prioritize
expenditures.
A
So
we
don't
have
the
ability
to,
in
a
sense,
I
think
we
could
go
through
all
the
bonding
documents
that
we
have
and
and
draft
this
portion
of
the
budget,
but
I
think
that
really
is
way
outside
our
obligation.
It
is
this
is
the
mayor's
budget
and
the
target
city
charter
clearly
says
that
this
is
supposed
to
be
in
in
the
in
the
budget.
I
just
have
a
question
right.
D
A
Want
to
know
that,
in
addition
to
it
not
appearing
on
the
budget,
we
have
not
seen
anything
that
otherwise
looks
like
a
capital
plan,
and
this
is
a
source
of
frustration
for
the
Finance
Committee
and
the
council,
as
it's
trying
to
sort
through
the
amount
that
is
requested
every
year
in
the
way
of
bonding
again
this
year.
There's
27
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
and
we
are
bonding
the
authorizations
exceeding
26
million
dollars,
which,
if
we
approve
them
all,
we
will
again
be
positioning
ourselves
to
exceed
the
city's
debt
policy
limits.
A
C
A
A
I
need
to
respond.
We
are
talking
about
the
need
for
a
multi
year,
capital
plan,
which
is
a
strong
recommendation
of
pfm
and
the
office
of
the
State
Controller
and
I
have
not
seen
one
mr.
Conte
during
our
conversations
early
on
asked
for
you
know,
do
we
have
a
three
to
five
year
perspective
budget?
You
know
that.
Would
that
we're
looking
at
spending
plan-
and
it
was
indicated
that
we
did-
we
have
not
received
that
my
understanding
is.
That
is
because
it
is
some
of
the
numbers
have
changed
or
whatever.
A
A
That's
a
requirement
we
when,
when
we're
being
asked
to
approve
borrowing-
and
that
is
something
that
we've
been
provided
with
broad
estimates
not
tied
specifically
to
what
is
currently
in
the
revised
five-year
capital
plan
that
the
administration
has
provided
us
with
on
on
October
17th
and
now
asking
us
to
incorporate
into
our
amendments
that
the
fact
that
on
October
17th
two
and
a
half
weeks
after
the
budget
was
supposed
to
be
presented
to
the
council,
we
are
receiving
plant.
We
are
receiving
revisions
to
the
five-year
capital.
A
I
think
is
some
indication
of
the
fact
we
don't
have
a
five-year
capital
plan
and
that
we're
not
paying
close
enough
attention
to
this
so
I'm,
all
in
favor,
aye
I,
am
appreciative
of
what
the
administration
has
done
with
regard
to
putting
us
grading
the
ship,
putting
us
on
the
right
path.
I
am
very
concerned,
I,
think
legitimately,
so
about
us
being
up
against
our
debt
limit.
The
potential
impact
for
that
and
I
do
think
that
there
are
solutions
that
allow
us
to
move
forward
with
most
of
the
projects
without
borrowing
twenty
six
million
dollars.
E
A
C
B
A
A
A
There's
also
the
issue
of
seven
unfunded
positions
are
included
in
the
police
department.
Staffing
totals
we
have
noted.
This
has
actually
been
a
recurring
appearance
and
those
seven
positions
are
included
in
the
total
for
396
FTEs
listed
in
the
Albany
Police
Department,
and
initially
it
was
kind
of
aspirational.
A
So
other
issues
that
have
been
discussed
are
the
soccer
field
improvements,
and
there
is
a
statement
here.
We
we
have
had
conversations
with
Commissioner
Jones,
there's,
not
a
specific
proposal
right
now,
for
how
do
we
solve
this
particular
problem,
but
this
budget
intent
memo
is
making
it
clear
that
we're
committed
to
working
with
the
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
as
parents,
so
just
to
remedy
this
situation
as
soon
as
possible,
and
let
the
administration
know
that
we
are,
will
ready
and
willing
to
authorize
bonding
to
undertake
appropriate
improvements
or
approve
other
budget
amendments.
A
G
B
A
Housing
study
this
was
brought
up.
The
soccer
field.
Improvements
I,
want
to
note,
were
brought
up
in
public
comments.
The
housing
study
was
also
brought
up,
and
the
purpose
of
this
section
is
to
reflect
that.
We
have
been
listening
to
the
public
with
regard
to
what
they've
asked
us
for,
and
so
I've
noted
that
I've
been
introduced
a
resolution
on
this,
and
we
believe
that
there
are
unexpended
funds
in
the
2018
budget
that
are
available
to
finance.
D
A
A
H
E
E
A
A
B
J
Mr.
Ellis
well
I
think
a
Leadership
Summit
part
of
it,
but
so
to
discuss
all
the
different
issues
that
have
been
brought
up
through
the
budget
process
and
we
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
talked
about
so
kind
of.
We
came
to
a
few
resolutions.
One
of
the
big
things
that
we
talked
about
was
trying
to
get
a
more
standardized
process
in
terms
of
the
budget
for
anybody.
J
So
we're
not
getting
information
half
an
hour
before
the
meeting,
so
we
can
actually
prepare
for
it
and
ask
pertinent
questions
but
also
kind
of
look
for
some
sort
of
standardization
that
works
for
their
office
too,
so
they
can
also
hold
their
department.
Heads
accountable
with
it
to
say.
Have
you
checked
these
boxes?
Have
you
done
those
things
we
obviously
they're?
J
H
E
E
J
Then
finally,
we
also
talked
about
than
there's
budget
message
was
not
didn't,
have
all
the
requirements
in
it,
so
that
was
their
updating.
That
was
in
response
to
us
requesting
to
make
sure
that
all
the
requirements
that
are
in
the
city
charter
were
included,
and
then
finally,
I
would
just
know
when
we
discussed
the
capital
plan.
J
Mr.
Shea
made
a
personal
commitment
to
really
work
through
that
and
see
it's.
It
is
good
governance,
I
think
Judy's
made
some
really
good
points
with
it
and
as
a
city
to
kind
of
look
at
our
borrowing
and
have
a
really
thoughtful
look
at
it.
I
think
that
that
is
the
goal
of
it
and
ultimately
I
think
having
someone
really
taking
the
helm
of
it
and
trying
to
dig
into
it
with
in
the
mayor's
office
can
make
a
big
difference
for
it
so
and.
K
There's
a
part
of
getting
on
the
same
page
with
the
budget
due
to
you,
you
mentioned
possibly
getting
together
sooner,
maybe
in
the
summer
before
we
get
the
budget
with
the
administration
and
then
we're
open
to
that.
So
you
know
to
us
getting
together
and
crafting
document
that
shows
what
we
need,
what
we
require
as
council
members
and
what
we're
looking
for,
which
I
think
will
go
a
long
way
in
avoiding
these
missteps,
where
we'd
be
a
part
of
the
process
from
the
beginning
itself,.
K
C
A
And
if
we
get
that
under
control-
and
we
understand
our
priorities
a
little
bit
more
collectively
on
that,
then
the
City
long-range
fiscally
is
going
to
be
far
better.
For
that.
We
also
do
need
what
mr.
Conte
has
asked
for
in
terms
of
a
long-range
physical
plan,
because
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
on
the
operating
side
as
well
as
on
the
on
the
capital
side.
I,
don't
know
when
we're
gonna
see
that
I.
J
A
B
B
A
D
A
A
Oh,
it's
striking
subdivision
a
or
deny
item
a
under
technical
amendments,
remembering
all
of
the
other
items
actually
striking
a
and
n
and
remembering
all
of
the
other
items
and
then
also
amending
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
first
page.
That
was
e
to
say,
debt
service.
So
do
I
have
a
motion
to
amend
organs.
33
101.9.
A
G
A
G
L
I
Regarding
the
legislation
that
I
would
request
a
vote
for
the
record,
because
I
would
personally
I
would
vote
it
out
with
a
favorable
recommendation.
I
mean
we've
spent
and
then
the
the
individual
issues
that
council
members
have
can
be
discussed
on
the
floor
as
they've
been
discussed
in
caucus
and
several
meetings
just
to,
but
to
send
it
out
of
committee
without
a
recommendation.
I
just
I
feel
personally
that
it
deserves
at
least
a
low
on
them.
J
J
H
G
G
G
A
J
A
Robinson
is
seconded
any
further
discussion
all
in
favor
aye.
Any
opposed
I
missile
ears
is
opposed
to
voting
it
out
of
committee
with
no
recommendation
I
the
motion
passes.
It
has
been
voted
out
of
committee
with
no
recommendation
with
regard
to
the
budget
intent
memo
I'm
going
to
be
asked
this
to
be
an
MC,
and
so
that
does
not
necessarily
require
committee
action,
but
I
would
like
right
and
I
correct.
Mr.
D
B
C
A
And
I
hope
that
we
will
be
voting
on
it
before
we
do
that
before
before
we
conclude
this
discussion
and
I
just
want
to
see.
Is
there
anything
in
this
document
that
people
feel
really
should
be
amended
before
it
is
voted
on?
Yes,
I've
tried
to
reflect
the
multitude
of
viewpoints
in
this
document
as
I
always
have
it's
a
little
bit
more
challenging
when
there's
a
little
less
consensus.
A
I
So
page
1
there,
the
paragraph
under
subheading
council
priorities.
There
is
a
sentence
that
reads.
However,
we
are
disappointed.
I
personally
would
change
that
language
so
that
we
are
just
making
it
clear
what
the
request
is
versus
indicating
is
that
there's
some
level
of
disappointment?
So,
instead
of
saying,
however,
we
are
disappointed.
More
has
not
been
done
to
improve
our
neighborhood
parks,
etc.
D
A
I
I
Why,
if
the
amendment
is
being
made,
then
why
do
we
need
to
have
it
spelled
out?
Because
it
implies
that
there
is
a
discrepancy:
Roman
numeral,
3
and
Roman
numeral?
Four,
we
address
the
issue
of
the
retirement
that
the
challenge
line
concerns
and
then
we
address
the
issue
when
it
comes
to
the
debt
service,
so
I
don't
think
the.