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Description
The Committee reviewed 103.111.20R, Ordinance 27.102.20R and bond ordinance 28.102.20 to 41.102.20.
A
Finance
committee
meeting
joining
us
this
evening
are
committee
members
mike
o'brien,
jamel
robinson,
alfredo
ballerin,
also
council
members,
richard
conte.
I
thought
I
had
more
up.
Joey
go
we're
joined
by
our
incredible
and
very
patient
staff.
Jr
picardo,
michelle
andre.
A
We
have
danielle
gillespie
brett
williams,
mike
wheeler.
We've
got
nick
riley
here,
nick
blaise
david
gallon,
and
we
also
have
committee
member
judy
duchess
and
the
most
incredible
faye
andrews
faye.
You
were
not
here
for
my
giant
apology.
Thank
you
so
much
for
waiting.
I
know
that
that
is
not
fun
and
I
would
actually
like
to
start
off
with
faye.
B
So
yeah,
so
in
august
we
applied
for
the
lead
abatement
program
that
we've
run
in
the
past
and
we
didn't
get
the
award
letter
in
time
for
us
to
add
the
positions
to
the
budget.
B
So
then,
when
we
received
the
the
award,
we
you
know
did
the
enas
to
get
the
positions
on
to
the
2020
budget
and
then
obviously
that's
going
to
affect
the
2021
budget
too.
So
it
does
increase
our
salary
lines,
but
it's
all
100
percent
funded
through
hud
and
we
have
the
funding
for
three
and
a
half
years
starting
january.
4Th
would
be
the
date.
B
So
it's
it's.
We
thought
we
were
going
to
get
the
positions
in
for
december,
but
it
looks
like
they
want
to
start
it
on
the
4th
of
january.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
will
say
every
time
you
come
to
us
for
budget
things,
you
always
get
them
paid
for
yeah,
probably
every
budget
department
and
the
finance
committee,
not
just
for
the
incredible
work
you
do,
but
you
know
budget
wise,
you're,
just
amazing.
B
A
Absolutely
are
there
any
questions
from
committee
members.
A
Could
I
get
a
motion
to
move
this
through
the
committee
moved
by
alfredo
seconded
by
mike
o'brien,
all
in
favor
of
this
I'm
going
to
so
that
is
farrell
o'brien.
A
Jamal,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
may
not
be
there
so
that
vote.
Yes,
that
goes
through
the
committee
with
a
positive
recommendation.
Thank
you
so
much
faye
and
thank
you
for
waiting.
We
really.
A
A
So
you
too,
so
next.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
our
bonding
ordinances
that
dealt
with
street
reconstruction,
sidewalk
reconstruction
and
the
ada
compliance
of
those
pieces
37.102.20
through
39.102.20.
A
We
do
not
yet
have
the
streets
on
those,
so
we're
going
to
hold
those
we
do
have
to
have
a
committee
meeting
in
december.
I
did
tell
everybody
that
and
budget
people
are
totally
feeling
our
burnout
too,
especially
tonight,
but
that's
keeping
them
waiting,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
bit
of
time
in
december,
so
we
can
get
a
little
bit
of
break
from
finance
and
everybody
is
on
board
with
that.
So
we
will
not
be
discussing
those
this
evening.
A
C
We
have
I'm
going
to
let
nick
riley
speak
to
that,
because
he's
really
been
an
appoint
person
he's
been
speaking
with
the
state
controller's
office
working
with
canada
in
our
treasury
department.
So
I'm
gonna
let
nick
take
over
and
kind
of
run
through
that,
for
you
guys
excellent.
D
Yeah
so
we
had
originally
proposed
or
sent
over
resolutions
to
create
five
capital
reserve
accounts.
I
think
judy
really
hit
the
nail
on.
D
Sorry
so
we
had
created-
or
we
put
in
resolutions
for
five
capital
reserve
accounts
and
I
think
judy
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
you
know.
Our
capital
reserve
accounts
the
appropriate
way
to
go
about
those
projects
and
she
and
jr
had
sent
stuff
over
to
the
comptroller's
office.
D
So
we
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
them
and
I
I
think
we've
decided
that
it's
best
to
only
keep
the
capital
reserve
account
resolution
for
the
it
funds,
because
that's
the
only
one
where
we're
truly
setting
aside
money
for
a
purchase
at
a
later
date,
the
other
four
which
were
wrecked
playgrounds,
police
vehicles,
dgs
equipment
and
the
planning
department,
we'll
use
capital
projects,
funds.
D
And
I
mean
this
is
this:
is
all
this
has
all
been
discussed
with
the
the
state
comptroller's
office?
The
the
mechanism
is
still
an
interfund
transfer.
It's
just
a
transfer
to
a
gh
account.
A
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
discuss
the
it
reserve
fund
and
see
if
we
can
pass
that
through
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
budget?
A
F
C
I
think
that
the
the
with
the
iit
reserve
funds
we
didn't
have
mark
or
anybody
come
on,
but
the
idea
is
to
have
basically
a
rolling
process
of
upgrading
and
updating
hardware
and
software.
It's
you
know.
Ever
since
the
ransom
attack,
we've
been
really
hyper
vigilant
about
getting
more
resources
to
mark
to
be
better
protected.
D
You
know
when
it
comes
to
upgrading
our
systems
yeah,
so
so
mark
had
come
to
us
two
years
ago
and
for
I
would
say,
between
18
and
20,
we
kind
of
piecemeal
together
the
last
round
of
upgrades
to
his
software
system
within
our
operating
budget
and
in
his
equipment
lines.
D
But
that
was
over
several
years
and
then
we
asked
him
because
he
said
the
next
time
they
would
have
to
be
replaced
around
2024
2025,
and
that
was
really
the
driver
for
looking
at
creating
this.
This
reserve
fund,
then,
was
because
it
was
coming
in
five
years
and
to
have
800
900
up
to
a
million
dollars
in
expenses
on
this
would
probably
result
in
borrowing.
We
just
wouldn't
have
the
room
to
do
that
in
our
capital
account.
D
So
this
is
us
kind
of
being
proactive
and
looking
to
for
go
borrowing
in
the
future.
A
That's
great,
and
I
just
a
note
for
council
members-
it's
on
page
96,
the
information
on
it
in
the
budget
book.
A
I
my
budget
is
all
loose
leaf
and
I
just
dropped
it
everywhere,
so
it
took
me
a
little
bit
longer
to
get
my
hands
on
it.
Are
there
any
questions
on
that?
I
know
with
the
ransomware
attack.
I
think
that
that
really
highlighted
a
lot
of
our
I.t
holes
that
we've
experienced
that
we've
had
as
a
city.
I
think
it's
not
something
a
municipality
always
jumps
up
to
spend
funds
on.
Are
there
any
questions
from
count
from
committee
members?
F
I'm
sorry,
I
was
raising
my
hand
that
way
as
opposed
to
the
virtual
way.
So
my
I
guess
my
question
first
of
all
is
so
on
page
96.
It
shows
859
400
as
one-time
investments
and
then
yearly
capital
investment,
171,
000.
F
D
The
for
the
first
year,
the
resolution
is
168
000.
That
number
is
correct.
Mark
mark
has
a
little
bit
that
he's
able
to
cover
with
his
operating
fund.
D
That's
that's
what
we
had
gotten
from
mark,
but
the
the
standard
for
for
going
forward
in
the
out
years
is
going
to
be
171
000
and
that
is
going
to
add
up
over
time
to
the
870
000
and
change
that
he's
looking
to
spend
around
20
25,
so
that
870
000
is,
is
what
he's
looking
to
spend
in
2025,
where
the
170
168
000
is
what
we're
investing
each
year.
Up
to
that
point,.
F
For
clarity
and
budgeting
purposes,
we
have
at
the
top
of
page
96
cash
capital
and
I'm
wondering
how
we
want
to
be
making
these
distinctions
now
between
what
is
cash
capital,
which
I
think
is
a
little
bit
more
of
what
we're
doing.
The
other
cases
versus.
F
Cash
cash
reserve-
and
I
don't
know
exactly
the
terminology
there,
so
is
there
something
we
should
be
changing
in
the
budget
in
our.
I
think
our
technical
amendments
in
this
particular
case,
to
make
a
distinction
here
with
regard
to
how
we
label
this
or
do
we
want
to
add
a
you
know,
a
sentence,
someplace
saying
that
this
money
is
being
deposited
in
a
capital
reserve
fund
for
that
purpose.
D
I
I
would
kind
of
ask
for
mike's
opinion
too
on
this,
but
from
our
from
our
talks
with
the
state
comptroller's
office
and
with
ken
there's,
nothing
really
in
the
general
fund
that
we
that
we
can
do
from
an
accounting
or
a
budget
standpoint,
because
the
the
mechanism
would
be
through
inner
fund
transfers.
So
it
would
have
to
be
some
sort
of
a
if
if
we
wanted
further
transparency
and
clarification,
it
would
have
to
be,
like
you
said,
like
some
sort
of
a
sentence
saying
that
this
is
going
towards
for
this.
D
It
allocation
towards
a
capital
reserve
fund,
where
the
other
ones
cash
capital
is,
is
probably
the
appropriate
way
to
do
it.
I
mean
that's
what
the
other
cities
that
do
use
this
like
syracuse
to
do
as
well.
I
I
had
spoken
with
their
budget
director
about
it.
They
do
they
do
capital
projects,
but
they
don't
actually
have
a
capital
reserve.
There.
F
So,
let's
make
sure
we
get
that
into
our
budget.
A
amendments
now
with
regard
to
the
inter
fund
transfers
are
are
all
of
these
interfund
transfers,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
their
capital
cash
or
this
capital
reserve.
C
I
mean
yeah
on
the
expense.
I
know
we
have
confusion,
because
we
have
interfund
transfer
on
the
revenue
side
with
the
debt
reserve
payment
and
then
enter
fund
transfers
on
the
expense
side.
The
interfund
transfer
on
the
expense
side
would
would
be
for
both
the
capital
reserve
and
the
special
projects.
So
I
had
actually
thought
about
maybe
putting
a
notation
on
that
interfund
transfer
piece
on
that
expense.
D
Yeah,
so
it
would
be
a
it
would
be
a
transfer
to
the
the
gh
account
which
is
similar
to
what
our
our
bonded
monies
come
out
of.
But
these
would
be
special
funds
that
would
be
funded
with
with
the
cash
capital,
so
be
a
a
transfer
to
the
capital
projects
fund
which
we
currently
have.
But
but
those
lines
wouldn't
be
reflective
of
the
general
fund
or
the
the
budget
that
we're
proposing.
There
would
be
the
the
gh
lines
that
aren't
shown
in
the
budget
book.
B
F
I'm
kind
of
wondering
if
we
shouldn't
be
reflecting
that
maybe
not
this
year,
but
in
future
years.
For
those
you
know
the
actual
line
item,
because
you
are
then
it's
a
little
bit
more
like
when
we
do
you
know
a
minor
equipment
purchase
or
you
know,
different
departments
have
an
equipment
line
or
something
like
that.
So
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
for
clarity
in
the
future
that
that
may
be
something
you
want
to
look
at
doing.
I
don't
know
that
we
absolutely
have
to
do
that.
F
You
know
this
year
and
I
don't
want
to
complicate
things
unnecessarily,
but.
C
We
were
thinking
the
the
same
thing.
Judy
and
syracuse
actually
has
a
has
an
insert
that
they
that
they
put
where
they
basically
show
the
actual
accounting
function.
Where
you
see
the
inner
fund
transfer
and
then
it'll
appropriate
to
that,
to
that
gh
line
and
say
you
know
appropriation
to
capital
reserve
in
our
case
or
special
projects
as
well,
so
I
would
for
budgets
moving
forward.
I
you're
right
it's
a
little
late
in
the
game.
C
How
quickly
we've
kind
of
pulled
this
together,
because,
honestly,
we
didn't
know,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
this
right
before
the
budget
came
out.
So
that
is
definitely
on
the
on
the
radar
for
for
2022
budget
is
to
have
that
insert
that
clearly
shows
exactly
where
those
those
inner
front
transfers
are
going
to
end
up.
G
G
I
was
just
gonna
go
ahead,
dude
I
was
just
gonna.
Add
to
that
exactly
what
mike
said,
but
point
out
that,
although
we
have
this
allocation
for
1.7
million
to
both
a
capital
reserve
fund
for
I.t
purposes
and
capital
projects,
we
didn't
think
necessarily
that
the
interior
was
necessary.
This
go
around
because
they
were,
they
are
all
spelled
out
as
part
of
the
capital
plan,
which
is
more
comprehensive
this
year
and
each
of
those
projects
for
those
departments
is
delineated
in
some
section
in
the
book
right.
F
F
Right,
so
what
I
was
going
to
say
is:
I
know
that
some
of
these
departments
are
very
protective
of
what
they
fight
fight
hard
for
in
the
way
of
capital
expenditures,
and
so
they
probably
would
take
a
little
more
comfort
in
us
actually
approving
something
that
actually
goes
into
a
fund
that
is
associated
with
that.
F
But
I
do
think
that
the
budget
in
total,
because
of
all
the
work
that
you
have
done
on
this
capital
budget-
and
I
really
appreciate
what
you
have
done
on
this,
so
that
having
that
spelled
out
here,
I
think,
is
probably
sufficient
protection.
But
I'm
just
thinking
from
account
accounting,
clarity
and
implementation,
as
well
as
what
we're
doing
and
we're
approving
that's
an
improvement
we
can
make
in
the
future.
A
And
I
have
to
apologize
in
my
piles
of
here.
We
go.
A
Can
I
get
a
motion
on
resolution
number
99.102.20
r
to
establish
the
capital
reserve
information
technology
equipment
fund
judy
moves.
Can
I
get
a
second
on
that
mike
seconds
all
in
favor,
so
in
favor
we
have
judy
mike
myself,
alfredo,
I
don't
see
so
that
passes
through
with
a
positive
recommendation
hooray.
A
So
now
we
only
have
left
to
talk
about
ordinance
number
27.102.20,
which
is
the
ordinance
adopting
the
budget
as
amended
judy.
Were
you
putting
your
hand
up
for
a
question.
F
Like
to
respect
the
fact
that
that
is
the
preferred
process-
and
I
will
work
on
that-
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
clear
about
what
ordinances
are
on
our
agenda-
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
taking
action
on.
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
you
know
for
kelly
and
you
to
yes.
A
So
those
are
the
ordinances
that
I
said
earlier:
the
there's
street
ordinances,
so
37,
38
and
39.
A
A
To
that
discussion,
so
I
were
now:
we've
had
quite
a
few
meetings
of
budget
discussions.
There
were
some
amendments
that
were
sent
out.
I
think
for
the
most
part,
it
would
be
great
at
this
point.
If
members
had
any
questions
to,
we
should
discuss
them.
So
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
pass
it
through
the
committee.
So
are
there
any
questions
or
statements
about
the
about
the
budget
or
the
budget
amendments,
and
I
would
start
with
committee
members
first.
F
So,
first
I
want
to
note
that
there
are
a
couple
more
amendments
to
come
on
budget
amendment,
a
that
include
the
technical
amendment
that
we
just
discussed
and
then
some
things
that
were
discussed
in
executive
session,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
you
know
that
requires
a
discussion
with
the
budget
office.
F
With
regard
to
the
details
of
that,
so
I
don't
know
that
we
can
pass
this
out
of
committee
unless
you
want
to
have
that
be
an
amendment
b.
I.
A
Think
that
I
would
like
to
do
that
as
an
amendment
b,
just
because
I
think
that
that
would
be
the
best
way
to
kind
of
move
forward
with
that
piece.
F
So
another
thing
that
came
up
in
the
when
I
was
looking
at
the
budget
intent
memo
is
the
violence
prevention
task
force.
F
A
So
in
leadership
we
did
talk
about
that,
and
kelly
might
want
to
weigh
in
on
this
as
well
that
the
big
issue
with
that
is
the
violence.
Prevention
task
force
has
not
been
fully
fully
formed.
So
it's
difficult
to
know
what
those
initiatives
would
be
or
how
much
they
would
cost,
and
so
the
the
mayor
fully
committed
to
finding
funds
to
support
initiatives
from
that,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
in
our
budget
intent
memo.
A
A
I
mean
it
could
be
something
where
it's
in
the
summer
youth
employment
program
that
they
want
to
do
something
through
that
it
could
be
there's
a
lot
of
different
places
where
that
initiative
might
actually
land
it
might
not
have
its
own
special
budget
line
and
to
give
the
committee
that
special
that
ability
to
have
that
flexibility.
A
We
do
understand,
and
it's
also
difficult
to
get
an
actual
number
on
it.
I
mean.
Is
it
something
that's
five
thousand
dollars?
Is
it
fifty
thousand
dollars
it?
It
really
does
depend
on
the
process
of
that
committee.
I
Right,
I
would
just
say
that
you're
correct
there
pieces
could
come
from
different
departments
or
different
areas
of
the
budget.
So
we
do
have
the
commitment
from
the
mayor
the
mayor's
office
to
to
make
this
work
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
F
Well,
mike
again,
my
comment
is
we
talk
about
the
need
to
be
looking
forward
to
having
that
study
conducted
and,
and
so
the
budget
intent
memo
essentially
last
or
after
I
saw,
I
think
essentially
asked
that
the
administration
be
sure
to
find
the
money
to
conduct
that,
and
you
know
the
question
is:
will
the
administration
make
a
similar
commitment
to
finding
the
necessary
money
to
do
that?
F
You
to
conduct
that
study
for
us
to
make
a
determination
about
our
eligibility
to
establish
a
rent
restrictions?
You
know,
rent
increase
restrictions,
etc.
F
J
K
Yeah,
I
think
what
what
we've
committed
to
is.
Originally,
when
the
first
rfp
went
out,
the
the
one
response
that
came
back
was
very
high
and
it
was
right
in
the
middle
of
the
spike
in
the
first
wave
of
kovid.
So
we
made
the
decision
that
it
wasn't
financially
feasible,
but
we
are
committed
to
putting
it
back
out,
putting
the
rfp
back
out
again
to
see
what
what
the
solicitations
are.
K
But
again,
I
think
it's
it's
sort
of
similar
to
the
the
conversation
that
we
had
about
the
the
gun,
violence
task
force.
Where
we,
we
really
don't
know
how
much
you
know.
K
K
F
So
I
don't
want
to
ask
the
question
bet
how
much
that
was
that
you
determined
was
not
financially
feasible.
Certainly,
I
think
we
would
want
to
put
an
rfp
out
in
such
a
manner
that
we
get
more
than
one
response,
and
we
were
certainly
led
to
believe
that
it
wouldn't
be
that
costly.
K
But
I
gotta,
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
in
front
of
me,
but
if
I
remember
correctly
it
was
in
the
low
six
figures,
and
I
know
that
we,
you
know.
Obviously
we
draft
all
the
rfps
to
be
to
solicit
the
the
most
number
of
responses
to
try
to
make
it
competitive.
K
So
I
you
know
we'll
we'll
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
try
to
make
that
try
to
try
to
alter
it
to
expand
the
pool
of
responses
that
we
get.
But
I
do
remember
if
I
know
it's
been
a
while,
but
I
I
know
there
was
when
we
tried
to
extrapolate
out.
I
think
it
was
kingston.
You
know
we
thought
it
was
gonna
be
it
could
be
in
the
low
six
figures
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
that's
where
it
ended
up
being
so.
E
A
M
M
K
I'm
not
recalling
it,
but
I
can
go
back
and
look
I
I
I
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
if,
if
but
if
we
haven't
yet
we
certainly
will
so
I'll
go
back
and
look
after
this
I
I
don't
recall
that,
though,.
J
If
I
just
get
a
quick
question
on
this
and
I'm
not
to
beat
a
dead
horse,
but
I
mean
this
is
something
that
a
lot
of
us
are
very
passionate
about-
that
we
want
to
see
move
forward.
Have
we
reached
out
to
any
of
the
local
universities
to
see
if
they
can
assist?
You
know
we
have
siena
college,
you
know
who
does
you
know
surveys
all
the
time
you
know
you
know?
Are
there
any
other
resources
we
can
tap
into
that?
J
Are
local
that
may
be
able
to
bring
the
price
down
or
give
us
more
competitive
bids
than
the
ones
we
already
received.
K
Yeah
and
we
can,
we
can
circle
back
with
the
colleges
and
and
talk
to
them
about
you
know
once
once
the
rfp
is
out
share
it
with
them
and
encourage
them
to
to
respond.
K
If
again,
I
know
this
was
many
months
ago,
but
if
my
memory
serves
me
correctly,
I
I
think
we,
I
thought
we
had
a
conversation
with
you
albany,
but
I
again
I
you
know
I
don't
think
anyone's
willing
to
do
a
massive
survey
like
that
for
free.
I
think
we
were
talking
in
the
ballpark
of
5000
or
so
units,
so
you
know
we
we
would
have
to.
M
K
Again,
depending
on
the
response
and
the
the
dollar
figure
might
be
something
we're
open
to
it's
just
kind
of
a
matter
of
how
much
will
this
cost?
K
L
Go
ahead,
john
david,
you
think
you
get
a
lot
more
bids
are
on.
G
L
K
Think
you
know
I
didn't
even
think
about
that,
but
you're
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
I
imagine
that
people
are
going
to
be
less
apprehensive
to
go
door-to-door
at
this
point,
especially
with
a
second
wave,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
it
does
take
a
while
for
people
to
review
the
rfp
to
respond
to
to
think
about
putting
in
putting
in
a
response
and
then
contracting.
So
you
know
we
don't
want
to
let
it
linger
too
long,
but
I
think
you're.
L
K
Yeah-
and
I
think
if
I
you
know
when
we,
when
we
did
this
the
first
time
around,
it
was
early
in
the
year
which
is
usually
when
they
tell
us,
is
the
best
time
to
put
out
rfps
for
for
contracts,
because
people
are
looking
for.
You
know,
line
up
their
work
for
the
the
rest
of
the
year.
So
you
know,
maybe
maybe
we
wait
a
little
bit
longer
normal.
K
Normal
times
but
yeah,
I
think
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
I
think
people
are
going
to
be
lost.
K
A
A
I
really
do
look
at
both
I'm
actually
pretty
good
and
even
tom
even
said
he's
like.
Oh
no,
he
texted
me
later
he's
like
you're
really
good
at
it.
Usually
so
so
I
can
do
both.
I
really
can't.
F
F
With
regard
to
number,
I
on
a
budget
amendment
a
I
would
like
to
add
to
the
end
of
that
it
says:
legislation
has
been
proposed
to
remove
the
fifty
dollar
late
fee
associated
with
the
waste
collection
fee,
I'd
like
to
add
and
make
the
penalty
consistent
with
late
fees
associated
with
real
property
taxes.
F
F
The
other
thing
is
this
document
now
today
came
as
attachment
a
to
the
resolution,
and
it
was
all
one
document
with
budget
amendment
a
but
budget
amendment
a
is
actually
goes
to
the.
H
That
that
may
be
my
fault
councilwoman.
I
I
didn't
have
a
clear
template
to
go
on
as
far
as
what
attachment
a
to
that
resolution
should
have
been
so
I
tried
to
be
over
inclusive
rather
than
under
inclusive.
H
So
if
we
want
to
remove
that
particular
thing
from
attachment
a
to
resolution,
110
1
12,
20
rmc,
we
could
probably
do
that.
F
So
the
the
easier
thing
I
think
to
do
is
as
we
is
to
attach
budget
amendment
a
to
the
ordinance
for
the
adoption
of
the
budget
as
amended,
and
you
know
if,
if
the
committee
is
in
agreement,
often
what
you
do
is
you
vote
then
to
on
each
specific
amendment
that
is
before
the
council
before
you
vote
on
the
ordinance
as
a
whole.
But
when
there
is,
I
think,
a
consensus
as
we
are
developing.
F
It
doesn't
hurt
to
have
that
amendment
a
just
be
part
and
parcel
of
the
ordinance
in
the
same
way
that
we
adopt
other
ordinances
as
amended,
and
so
that
would
be
the
process
now.
I
think
you
know,
for
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
making
a
positive
recommendation
with
regard
to
the
ordinance
for
the
adoption
of
the
budget.
F
A
A
Mean
are
there
other
people
that
have
questions
on
any
issues
with
questions
on
the
budget?
I
guess
this
is
the
benefit
of
having.
I
didn't
even
count
the
number
of
meetings.
You
really
do
talk
about
it
a
lot,
so
you
can
get
rid
of
a
lot
of
questions.
H
I
guess
one
technical
question
possibly
for
councilman
bruducet
would
be
do
you
think
we
would
need
to
amend
ordinance
27,
which
adopts
the
budget?
I
think
it's
27
right.
I've
lost
track
at
this
point.
It
is
27.
Yes,
thank
you.
Would
you
want
that
sort
of,
as
amended
to
say,
reflecting
the
amendments
contained
in
budget
amendment
a
or?
However,
we
would
want
to
word
that.
F
Because
right
now
budget
amendment
a
says,
council
member
so
and
so
moved
to
a
men,
ordinance
number
as
follows.
So
if
we
could
eliminate
that
out
of
this
and
simply
change
the
ordinance
adopting
it.
N
N
F
N
You
should
okay,
we've
always
had
a
separate
votes
on
on
the
amendment.
Sometimes
they've
been
non-controversial,
but
typically
we
have
had
separate
votes
on
those
amendments
on
the
floor.
I'm.
O
Sorry,
I'm
just
you
know,
I'm
I'm
confused,
so
can
it
be,
you
know,
move
into
a
min
to
move
into
past.
I
don't
know
ordinance.
N
N
There
can
I
just
go
ahead.
Yeah
I
mean,
as
I'm
looking
at
there's
really
not
a
lot
we're
doing
from
what
I
gather,
except
making
some
corrections
here
or
there
or
whatever
and
anticipating
that
there'll
be
some
financing
down
the
road
to
handle
issues.
We've
talked
about
whether
it
be
the
vacancy
study
or
the
violence
prevention
line,
which
I'm
actually
still
confused
about
what
that
is
meant
to
be,
but
that's
a
discussion
we
should
have
had
last
year,
so
otherwise
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
really
a
lot
here.
N
N
And
and
I
think
partly
judy
with
all
the
uncertainty
in
terms
of
what
we're
going
into
next
year,
I
mean
it's
hard
to
to
figure
out
what
to
do
or
what
we
should
be
doing,
and
I
think,
as
some
of
us
have
talked
about
earlier,
we're
concerned
that
there's
a
there's
aspects
of
what's
in
the
budget
that
we
don't
think
is
realistic
based
on
what
might
be
happening
financially.
A
J
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
I
think
you
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
means
on
this,
so
I
think
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
yes,
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
and
there's
a
lot
of
hope
that
things
will
work
out
in
certain
ways.
I'm
a
little
more
optimistic
than
I
was
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
do
think
something's
already
turned
out
ways.
You
know
that
that
you
know
put
us
in
a
better
position
as
we
close
2020.
J
So
you
know-
hopefully
you
know.
Hopefully
you
know
it.
It
will
continue
to
be
in
that
direction
versus
going
going
back
the
negative
light,
but
I
do
think
we've
taken
a
considerable
amount
of
time
trying
to
go
through
this.
You
know
like
we
should
with
due
diligence.
M
I'm
having
the
damnedest
time
trying
to
find
budget
amendment
a
I
know
I
got
it.
Can
somebody
resend.
F
It
mike
the
most
recent
version
is,
is
attached
to
an
email
from,
I
think
it's
michelle,
and
it
actually
refers
to
attachment
a
not
amendment
a
so
attachment.
A
currently
has
the
attachment
to
the
resolution,
an
ex
an
explanation
about
that
and
then
also
budget
amendment,
a
which
is
actually
mending
the
ordinance.
E
F
E
But
brett
can
jump
on
us.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
do
the
cover
salary
resolution,
which
is
the
amendments
also
to
this
to
that
and
then
the
non-salary
stuff.
I
just
think
there's
a
little
confusion
on
my
end,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
what
we're
doing
both
because
I
think
there's
an
amendment
to
the
budget
too
and
then
the
cover
salary
resolution-
and
just
I
think,
maybe
what
we
did
in
the
resolution-
was
oh
to
get
everything
all
at
once,
but
I
just
want.
F
So
it
doesn't
really
make
sense
to
what
makes
sense.
Is
you
have
your
amendments
to
things
that
are
not
positions
and
tight
and
and
salary
changes,
because
we
can't
do
that
under
the
charter,
so
so
a
budget
amendment
a
goes
to
the
ordinance
and
it
should
be
separated
from
the
resolution,
because
there's
no
point
in
doing
it.
A
second
time
once
you've
adopted
the
budget
with
those
amendments
and
then
the
salary
adjustment
resolution
that
you
provided
us
today
gets
the
attachment,
a
which
generally
would
just
have
the
list
of
the
positions.
F
And
then
the
explanation
that
came
along
with
that
can
is
is
generally
for
the
sponsor's
memorandum.
You
know
explaining
that
or
detailing
that
you
know
why
we're
making
those
particular
changes
at
the
administration's
request,
so
it
we've
segregated
in
that
way,
because
we
keep
on
coming
up
against
these
issues
of.
We
can't
make
the
salary
and
position
changes
in
the
budget
ordinance
itself.
N
I'm
not
actually
you're
correct,
I'm
just
looking
at
because
I'm
now
seeing
resolution
110,
which
is
the
salary
adjustments
which
refers
to
attachment,
which
really
I
don't
generally,
I
don't
like
when
we
refer
to
attachments
because
they
get
lost,
and
I
would
really
strongly
suggest
that
you
incorporate
the
body
of
that
attachment
in
that
you
incorporate
the
attachment
into
the
body
of
the
resolution.
So
it's
all
there
because
this
other
these
attachments
get
lost
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
problems
later
on
trying
to
find
the
stuff.
N
H
E
L
E
A
A
So
I
guess
my
question
is
well
actually
we
do
have
to
have
this
settled
before
we
pass
it
through
the
committee.
So
but
I
it
seems
like
we're
pretty
close
to
actually.
E
Take
a
vote
got
it
going
now,
so
let
me
just
pull
it
up.
Real!
Quick!
Sorry!
Sorry,
jenny!
Oh
no
problem,
so
this
is
attachment
a
that
we
refer
to
so
here's
the
salary,
but
the
budget,
salary
and
title
changes,
explanation,
justification
and
then
here's
this
spreadsheet
that
has
some
salaries
as
well
and
showing
where
the
money's
being
moved
around
and.
M
H
F
F
B
F
I
was
going
to
read
in
my
changes,
but
all
right,
so
I
do
want
to.
If
I
can.
I
want
to
comment
on
what
richard
said
about
concerns
about
maybe
some
of
the
revenues
being
unrealistic,
and
I
struggle
with
that
as
well
in
ways
that
I've
never
struggled
with
it
before,
because
how
do
we
know
what?
F
What
is
it
that?
I
would
then
say:
okay
for
state
aid.
This
is
the
amount
that
we
now
plug
in,
because
we
have
no
idea
really
ultimately,
and
we
can
only
go
on
the
basis
of
past
history.
I
think
to
some
extent
we're
in
a
slightly
better
position.
F
At
the
end
of
2020,
then,
I
think
that
we
envisioned,
we
would
be
you
know
at
mid
april
or
may
of
of
this
year,
and
so
the
same
dilemma
then
exists
for
the
2021
budget.
There's
a
big
wide
unknown.
F
If
that
is
the
case,
unfortunately,
I
was
a
little
more
optimistic
about
getting
appropriate
federal
relief
two
weeks
ago
than
I
am
today,
but
with
that
said,
I
I
don't
think
I
can
make
any
more
intelligent
guess
as
to
how
to
amend
this
budget
and
come
up
with
revenues
than
what
has
been
done
here.
I
think
we're
all
looking
to
adopt
this
budget
saying
this
is
what
we
need.
This
is
a
support
level.
F
We
need
in
order
to
provide
services
to
people
and
then,
if
that
funding
is
not
for
forthcoming,
then
deal
with
that
situation.
A
I
also,
I
think,
an
important
point
to
the
whole
revenue
piece
is
when
it
comes
to
advocacy
for
state
aid.
If
we
actually
went
through
and
took
less
in
that,
then
we
would
get
less
so
there's
in
in
terms
of
there's
concern.
There's
two
sides
to
this
budget
that
absolutely
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
which
I
talked
to
the
administration
about
about
the
revenue.
But
it's
you
can't
make
the
argument
for
that
amount
of
state
aid.
A
If
you
create
a
budget
that
is
less
than
that,
and
if
it's
also,
if
this
is
the
budget
that
our
residents
actually
need,
then
then
I
think
that
that
is
the
the
right
direction
to
go
in,
but
it's
certainly
a
difficult
and
nervous
direction.
I'm
going
to
say
richard
david.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
something
relevant
to
this,
maybe
you
should
say
something.
First,.
K
I
I
was
just
going
to
add
yeah
jimmy
you
kind
of
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
so
I
won't
belabor
it,
but
I
I
mean
the
president-elect
has
added
state
and
local
aid
to
his
transition
plan.
It's
what
we've
been
advocating
for
since
day,
one
of
covid
and
and
to
jenny's
point
again.
We
if
we
don't
put
it
in
the
budget
and
revenue
replacement
package
gets
passed.
We
we
can't
go
back
and
then
say:
oh
wait,
give
us
a
little
more.
You
know
so
again.
This
is
you
know.
K
And
it's
you
know
similar
to
the
capital
city
funding
proposition
that
that
we
that
we
go
through
every
year,
except
we
have
a
you
know,
obviously
we're
advocating
to
the
federal
government,
not
just
the
state
government,
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
A
N
First,
I
was
gonna
say
in
terms
of
state
aid
numbers.
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we
put
in
what
current
funding
formulas
would
provide
us
because
remember,
the
governor
has
not
submitted
a
plan
at
this
point
to
reduce
state
aid
payments
or
to
make
adjustments
in
the
budget
to
reflect.
You
know:
revenue
losses
due
to
the
to
the
pandemic.
N
He
has
done
withholds
of
certain
percentages
as
those
payments
became
due,
but
has
not
characterized
them
as
reductions,
but
with
holes
pending
some
clarity
on
the
federal
level
which
we're
all
trying
to
push
for.
So
at
this
point
there
is
no
actual
proposal
by
the
governor
on
to
reduce
state
aid
beyond
those
with
holes
that
have
come
along
depending
on
when
in
locality
gets
a
payment.
So
you
know
how
that's
going
to
play
out
it's
going
to
depend
on
what
we
get
on
with
the
federal
level.
N
I
think
you
have
made
other
you
know,
adjustments
or
characterizations
on
other
revenues
like
sales,
tax,
etc,
based
on
some
expectations
that
we
might
have
a
slow
down.
But
you
know
that
that's
the
big
unknown
that
we
just
don't
have
it's
what's
going
to
happen
on
the
federal
level
that
might
impact
ultimately,
what
action
the
state
might
take
and
we're
all
hoping
that
we
don't
end
up
there.
N
So
I
understand
difficulty
as
far
as
you
know,
in
terms
of
adjustments
and
like
any
budget,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
managed
through
the
course
of
the
year
to
make
sure
that
our
expenditures
are
meeting
whatever
revenues
come
in.
But
you
know
we
need
to
make
the
case
in
terms
of
what
we
need
and
do
the
budget
that
provides
tries
to
maintain
services,
because
I
think
we're
all
feeling
from
our
constituents
the
frustrations
about
what's
happening
out
there
within
our
particular
awards.
J
I
want
to
apologize
judy.
I
I
didn't
get
to
hear
the
rest
of
your
statement.
My
computer
and
my
internet
went
off,
but
I
I
want
to
you
know,
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
sentiment,
the
the
uneasiness
and
the
concerns,
but
I
also
want
to
remind
you
to
of
the
summit
when
we
were
the
optimist.
J
You
know
we
were
looking
at
the
sales
tax
and
we
were
the
ones
that
were
a
little
bit
more
optimistic.
We
might
be
able
to
shrink
that
gap
and
I
think
we
have.
I
think
we
have
shrunk,
that
gap
in
2020,
so
I
I
want
to.
J
I
want
to
keep
that
optimism
because
you
know
we
really
are
between.
You
know
bad
place
and
a
lot
of
racking
a
hard
place.
I'm
sorry
it's
late!
Well,
there
are
no
good
choices.
There
really
are
no
good
choices.
Do
we
raise
taxes
to
the
point
where
it's
unbearable
for
our
residents?
Do
we
cut
services
to
a
point
where
it's
you
know
unbearable
to
our
residents,
or
do
we
do
the
best
balance
we
can
and
try
to
manage
it
as
best
we
can?
So
I
agree
it's
not.
J
It's
probably
the
most
uncomfortable
budget.
We've
I've
been
here,
it's
probably
the
most
uncomfortable
budget.
I've
done
in
my
career
and
I've
been
doing
budgeting
since
you
know
2015
in
general,
and
so
it's
not
a
good
place
to
be,
but
I
don't
think
we
had
any
really
good
answers
and
I
do
think
we
have
some
hope
and
again
I'm
much
more
optimistic
today
than
I
was
you
know
two
weeks
ago,
but
I'm
also
you
know,
I'm
also.
J
So
we
have
some
we
served
to
tap
into
so
that
we
don't
have
to
put
too
much
of
a
burden
on
our
on
our
residents
and-
and
let
me
tell
you
not
everyone's
happy
with
the
burden
that
we
are
putting
on,
but
I
think
it's
it's
much
more
reasonable
than
what
I
was
feeling
to
be
honest
because
I
thought
this
was
gonna,
be
a
much
much
more
painful
budget.
So
I'm
optimistic,
I'm
hoping
we
end
2020
in
a
much
better
position,
which
will
hopefully
put
us
in
a
better
position.
A
Absolutely
before
I
call
on
you
mike,
I
just
want
to
note
that
tom
holly
also
joined
us
and
actually
quite
some
time
ago
he
joined
us
and
I've
been
so
riveted
by
the
discussion
I
haven't
mentioned.
It
go
ahead
mike.
M
M
Quite
frankly,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
other
choice
and
unless
you
were
going
to
take
us
a
knife
and
start
dramatically
cutting
the
city
apart,
so
I'm
prepared
to
vote
for
the
budget
as
written
and
to
make
a
recommendation
with
the
amendments
to
go
forward.
A
Excellent,
can
I
have
a
second
judy
is
not
here
alfredo
seconds.
Oh
there,
she
comes
good.
What
are
we
moving
mike
is
moving
the
budget
with
the
amendments.
F
We're
only
voting
with
one
amendment,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
the
budget
amendment
a
makes
a
change
to
to
page,
say
to
add
on
page
96
at
the
top
of
the
page.
Change
quote:
capital
cash,
cash
capital
to
capital,
reserve
fund,
deposit.
A
So
can
I
just
check
in
with
staff,
do
we
have
all
of
those?
Are
those
understood
and
can
be
done
for
if
we
vote
this
through.
A
Yeah,
so
that's
a
yes
from
those
of
you,
okay,
excellent!
So
with
those
additions
all
in
favor
of
the
passing
ordinance
27.102.20,
I
think
it's
102.
A
through
the
committee
that
is
farrell
o'brien
and
ballerin
in
the
affirm
and
joshe
in
the
affirmative
and
so
that
passes
through
I
just
want
to
before
we
retire
from
a
lengthy
evening.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
jr
sent
a
final
draft
out
for
the
budget
intent
memo.
I'd
really
like
just
to
thank
huge
thank
you
to
judy
and
richard
for
sending
in
comments
on
that.
A
F
Do
we
want
to
pass
the
resolution
out
that
makes
the
salary
adjustments
and
the
position
changes?
Oh,
why.
F
So
this
will
be
an
mc
to
be
added.
I
don't
think
that
we
put
it
on
the
active
calendar,
yet
no.
E
It's
an
emcee,
so
it's
not
technically
has
been
introduced
yet
so
it
will
be
introduced
on
monday.
So
technically
we
don't
need
a
vote
on
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
yeah,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
this
is
the
amendments
I
the
change.
I
just
did
per
the
conversation
right.
We
can,
but
I
mean,
can
we
michelle.
F
A
F
Jr,
yes
ma'am,
you
still
have
a
reference
to
attachment
a
in
there
and
I
think
that
what
we
want
to
do
is
move
that
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved.
We're
approving
those
changes
listed
below.
A
I
think
we're
we're
all
supportive
of
this.
So
we
can.
We
can
mention
that
that
the
committee
informally
gives
support
for.
A
It
so
I
think
that
is
everything.
Thank
you
so
much
to.
I
really
want
to
give
huge
thanks
to
the
staff
for
all
of
your
work
for
this
council
staff
and
budget
and
staff
corp
council's
office.
We
really
really
appreciate
your
hard
work
on
this.
A
It's
a
it's
a
long
process
and
we
appreciate
you
like
to
give
a
huge
thanks
to
finance
committee
members,
because
it's
a
lot
and
a
special
thanks
to
judy
for
again
she's
did
quite
a
bit
in
this
budget
too,
and
also
big
thanks
to
richard,
who
is
helpful
with
just
about
everything
with
council
operations.
A
I'm
sorry
what
no,
I
think
not
at
all,
so
I
could
I
get
a
motion
to
adjourn.
I
move
duty
boost
in
a
second
mike
seconds,
all
in
favor.
That
is
unanimous
and
thank
you
so
much
guys
have
a
great
night.
You
too.