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Description
The Committee reviewed Resolution 77.91.20 that seeks to enter into a “Betterment Project Agreement” with the State Department of Transportation in connection with the City’s Albany Skyway Project (P.I.N. 1051.82).
A
Hello,
everyone
welcome
to
our
finance
committee
meeting
this
evening.
We
are
going
to
discuss
I'm
going
to
pull
up
the
actual
ordnance
number,
so
we're
not
at
all
curious,
well
we're
going
to
discuss
the
skyway
project,
I'm
not
able
to
pull
it
up
right
now.
Right
now
we
have
with
us
committee
members
mike
o'brien,
alfredo
ballerin.
A
And
jamel
robinson,
we
also
have
with
us
council
members,
kathy
fahey,
tom
hoey,
joyce
love
and
we
have
staff
members.
We've
got
all
of
dgs
there,
they're
just
in
a
giant
room
hi
guys,
we've
got
randy
milano,
we
have
michelle
andre.
We
have
our
corp
council
marisa,
we
have
danielle
gillespie,
we
have
jean
rafael
piccardo
and
if
I
did
not
mention
him
yet,
david
gallon
is
also
here
with
us.
A
A
I
would
say
by
6
45.
We
should
take
decide
what
we're
going
to
do
in
terms
of
a
vote
moving.
A
A
Okay
sounds
good,
so
david,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
you,
but
I
know
that
you
have
a
power
point.
C
I
I
do,
but
just
before
we
jump
into
it,
I
I
know
that
maurice
has
sent
an
email
a
couple
of
minutes
ago,
just
clarifying
where
things
are
in
the
process
and
just
we'll
turn
it
over
to
her
first
just
so,
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page
as.
F
Sorry
is
that
better?
Okay,
so
we've
gotten
word
from
d.o.t.
It
seems
like
they've
kind
of
gotten
their
wires
crossed
a
bit
on
this
one,
the
betterment
agreement
and
the
betterment
agreement
resolution.
F
We
have
been
told
that
we
should
quote
throw
them
in
the
trash
they
were
sent
to
us
as
sort
of
like
a
pro
forma.
These
go
with
every
project.
F
Agreements
turns
out
that
this
isn't
a
standard
project
and
it's
not
subject
to
the
standard
dot
agreements
that
would
normally
be
in
place
and
the
regular
skyway
agreement
which
we're
calling
the
mno
agreement,
maintenance
and
operation
agreement
inc.
It
incorporates
everything
that
we
need
to
approve
and
it
supersedes
all
of
the
betterment
agreement
documents
that
were
sent
to
us.
So
I
realize
that
that's
confusing
at
this
point,
but
it
actually
makes
it
this
whole
thing
a
lot
more
simple,
because
everything
that
we
need
to
approve
is
in
that
albany.
F
It's
entitled
the
albany
skyway
agreement,
and
it
includes
the
maintenance
and
operation
agreement,
as
well
as
all
of
our
funding
requirements,
as
well
as
our
our
the
the
revenue
that
we're
responsible
for
that
1.25.
F
It's
clear
in
that
agreement
that
that
is
what
we
are
on
the
hook
for
so
let's
try
to
think
about
it
as
a
good
thing
that
we
just
have
that
one
document
to
really
be
drilling
down
into,
and
it
incorporates
everything
that
dot
is
required
and
because
of
the
language
in
the
bond
ordinance.
It's
what
be
what
is
before
you
guys
to
approve
at
this
point.
F
So
I
know
it's
confusing
and
I
apologize
that
they
were
sent
out,
but
they
were
sent
to
us,
and
so
we
sent
them
out
to
you,
but
you
can
disregard,
go
ahead
and
disregard
those
betterment
agreement.
Documents.
C
Okay,
so
we'll
hop
right
into
it-
and
I
know
you've
you've
seen
pretty
much
this
version
from
two
weeks
ago.
So
we'll
really
brief.
Again,
we
we
know
that
the
the
skyway
is
going
to
serve
as
a
business
incubator,
a
regional
attraction
and
and
really
be
a
central
component
of
the
clinton
ave.
Revitalization,
it
was
the
it
was
really
the
the
keystone
project
in
the
dri
application.
It's
a
project
that
the
governor
has
highlighted
in
his
state
of
the
state
addresses
it's.
C
It's
really
really
what
the
the
the
dri
was
was
really
focusing
on.
So
we're
really
excited
about
it
and
and
are
looking
forward
to
construction
in
the
near
future.
Again
just
a
quick
overview
of
some
of
the
funding
sources.
We
did
get
so
there's
a
3.1
million
dollar
dot
award
a
5
million
tap
award
from
the
federal
government,
20
of
which
requires
a
local
match,
which
is
the
1.25
million,
and
then
again
this
was
a
about
20
of
the
dri
funding
that
the
city
received.
C
What
is
all
this
money
going
to
pay
for?
It's
going
to
pay
for
the
decommissioning
of
the
ramp,
which
is
food,
structural
repair,
sub-base,
work,
electrical
work,
etc,
the
modifications
to
the
ramp
itself
and
then
also
the
installation
of
the
items
that
are
going
to
make
it
truly
a
park.
The
lighting,
the
planting,
garbage
cans,
recycling,
recycling
receptacles,
but
it
also
includes
the
gateway,
which
is
what
you
see
in
a
lot
of
the
renderings
I'll.
C
Just
go
back
for
two
slides
that
rendering
at
the
very
top
of
the
photo
array
here,
that's
the
gateway.
So
it's
it's
going
to
create
a
really
welcoming
entry
point
to
the
to
the
skyway
from
broadway
and
clinton
ave,
but
it
also
includes
work
at
the
riverfront
park,
which
is
the
end
of
the
skyway
closer
to
where
the
barge
used
to
be
closer
to
the
corning
preserve.
C
So
where
are
we
now?
We've
received
approval
of
the
final
design
report
from
federal
highway.
We
spent
a
good
portion
of
the
summer
from
the
little
free
time
we
had
negotiating
the
m
o
agreement
with
d.o.t
and
again
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
in
a
minute,
and
then
we've
presented
the
mno
agreement
to
the
council,
which
is
part
of
our
conversation
this
evening.
C
So
this
map
again
high
level
overview,
but
the
color
coding
really
breaks
down
who's
responsible
for
what?
For
those
who
can't
zoom
in
to
see
the
colors
purple
is
city
of
albany
responsibility
solely
the
red
is
a
city
of
albany,
skyway,
surface
responsibility
and
then
again
the
orange
is
d.o.t.
C
I
C
Okay?
So
again,
the
the
purple
is
the
city
of
albany
sole
responsibility.
Red
was
city
of
albany
responsibility
for
the
surface
area
and
up
in
elevation,
and
the
orange
is
d.o.t
responsibility
for
the
for
the
under
for
the
surface
under
the
roadway.
What
is
currently
the
roadway-
and
this
is
just
a
cross
section
of
of
the
skyway
and
again
in
very,
very
small
letters.
It
essentially
shows
that
you
know
there's.
C
There
is
a
joint
responsibility
depending
on
the
the
location,
but
we'll
break
that
down
further
in
this
next
slide,
so
the
state's
responsible
for
all
maintenance
of
the
superstructure,
so
there's
been
a
there-
was
a
big
concern
last
year
and
rightfully
so
that
the
city
not
be
on
the
hook
for
the
responsibility
of
the
superstructure.
C
So
as
a
result
of
our
negotiations
with
dot,
we
were
able
to
ensure
that
d.o.t
continues
to
maintain
the
bridge
piers,
the
abutment,
the
concrete
pedestals,
the
bearings.
Essentially,
everything
below
that
blue
line
in
the
chart
is
is
dot
responsibility,
they're
also
responsible
for
portions
of
the
exit
ramps
that
will
still
connect
to
the
the
the
ramp
that
that
is
going
to
continue
to
be
a
car,
a
vehicle
ramp,
which
is
the
water
street.
The
the
portion
that
comes
off
of
er
exceeding
that
off
of
water
street.
The
other
side
of.
D
Of
the
ramp
from
coming
coming,
northbound
excuse
me
coming
coming.
Southbound
from
the
north.
D
Because
that
is
gonna
continue
to
be
a
vehicle
thoroughfare.
C
Just
briefly
into
the
city's
responsibility,
we
are
responsible
for
the
again
the
items,
both
the
above,
the
blue
line,
that
I
showed
you
earlier
so
hardscape,
fencing
lighting
benches
landscaping,
trees,
drainage
and
then,
and
then
some
of
the
parapet,
parapets
the
the
deck
itself.
So
again,
the
the
surface,
the
immediate
surface
and
up
so
anything
that
really
gets
added
onto
the
skyway
to
make
it
a
park.
C
We're
responsible
for
and
again
the
agreement
gets
a
bit
more
specific,
it's
as
to
who's
responsible
for
the
the
end
of
the
skyway
that
abuts
with
both
except
the
the
off-ramp
to
787
near
the
gateway
and
then
also
the
riverfront
park
closer
to
where
the
barge
used
to
be
and
again
we
have
to
maintain
we're.
Also
we're
also
required
to
maintain
the
skyway
and
and
complete
preventative
maintenance
to
ensure
that
we're
not
negatively
impacting
the
superstructure
so
that
dot
isn't
fixing
larger
issues
that
could
be
avoided
with
preventative
maintenance.
C
So,
again,
that's
snow
removal
ensuring
that
drainage
is
clear.
The
things
that
the
dgs
is
going
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
in
the
regular
course.
C
And
so
we're
just
going
to
get
a
little
bit
more
into
more
detail
about
the
d.o.t
estimated
costs,
but
before
we
jumped
into
the
cost.
We
did
have
this
slide
this
time
around.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
vegetation
that
we
added
to
the
skyway
just
want
to
note
here.
This
vegetation
was
picked
after
a
pretty
rigorous
review
because
of
the
minimal
amount
of
maintenance
required
by
the
city
to
ensure
that
this
vegetation
lives
and
continues
to
grow.
C
So
we
picked
grasses
that
are
hardy,
that
don't
require
much
watering
we
required.
We,
we
picked
trees
that
were
going
to
withstand
northeastern
winters
and
also
not
grow
to
a
large
size,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
continue
pruning
them.
It
was
all
very,
very
deliberate
and
again
in
the
mindset
of
ensuring
that
we
are
adding
as
little
maintenance
costs
as
possible,
while
still
creating
an
inviting
environment
between
downtown.
C
So
again,
it
works
out
to
about
one
additional
seasonal
employee
for
dgs
between
excuse
me,
between
april
and
october,
it's
about
fourteen
thousand
dollars,
fourteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
in
labor
expenses,
and
then
during
the
winter
dgs
estimates
a
cost
of
150
per
1-3
inch,
snowstorm,
so
again,
very
minimal
costs
from
especially
compared
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
guesses
I
was
hearing
early
on,
so
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
not
not
something
where
we
would
need
an
entire
crew.
C
This
is
something
where
dgs
is
very
comfortable
that
they
could
supplement
the
current
crew
that
works
at
the
corning
preserve
and
essentially
make
this
part
of
that
one
complex,
so
they're
taking
care
of
the
preserve
and
the
skyway
at
the
same
time.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
note,
too,
is
we
committed
early
on
to
council
member
love
and
the
community
that
we
we
are
going
to
encourage
the
creation
of
our
friends
of
a
skyway
group.
C
There
are
a
number
of
friends
groups
like
that
in
the
city,
washington
conservancy
is
one
of
them.
The
friends
of
lincoln
park
is
another.
We
really
want
to
encourage
ownership
by
the
neighborhood,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
encouraging
the
creation
of
that
group
and
helping
ensure
that
it's
as
vibrant
and
effective
as
possible.
C
Moving
over
to
the
engineering
costs,
so
randy's,
estimating
approximately
ten
thousand
dollars
per
year
in
quarterly
inspections
through
a
third-party
contractor
and
then
also
we're
estimating
concrete
service
repairs
and
then
a
resealing
of
the
concrete
deck
approximately
once
every
10
years,
but
it
could
be,
could
be
longer
that
adds
up
to
about
60
000
total
ev
once
every
10
years
again,
I
want
to
repeat
that
that's
about
60
000
total
once
every
10
years,
so
about
6
dollars
a
year
on
average.
C
If
you
want
to
break
it
out
for
it
for
these
engineering
costs,
and
then
some
people
have
asked
about
a
deck
replacement
cost
for,
for
that
we,
our
d.o.t,
is
going
to
be
undergoing
a
lot
of
work
as
part
of
this
project
to
ensure
that
the
skyway
itself,
the
actual
structure,
is
in
good
shape
and
can
last
a
long
time
and
right
now,
the
the
I
think
the
very
conservative
estimate
is
that
no
major
work
should
be
required
knock
on
wood
for
at
least
20
to
25
years
we've.
C
You
know
keep
in
mind
this
ramp
was
very
underutilized
and
hence
the
reason
why
we
identified
it
for
the
skyway.
In
the
first
place
there
was
a
very,
very
low
number
of
vehicles
using
the
skyway
per
day,
so
it
was
not
being
it
really
wasn't
being
abused,
like
some
other
highway
ramps
across
the
city,
and
so
the
the
amount
of
work
is
isn't
as
drastic,
for
example,
what
the
hot
the
henry
johnson
bridge
required
and
then
again
it's
going
to
become
a
park,
so
there
won't
be
vehicles
on
it.
C
It's
just
going
to
be
people,
so
we
we
really
think
that
we
can
stretch
that
out
beyond
the
25
years.
But
again,
it's
just
a
very
conservative
excuse
to
be
a
very
conservative
estimate
on
engineering's
part,
so
just
to
get
an
overview
of
where
we
are
so
we're
we're
asking
for
the
council
to
are
asking
for
the
finance
committee
to
move
this
mno
agreement
through
the
committee
with
a
positive
recommendation.
C
To
put
it
before
the
entire
council
are
our
ask:
is
that
the
council
votes
on
it
on
september
21st
and
assuming
that
there
is
a
passage
by
the
full
body?
Then
the
city
and
state
would
sign
the
agreement
pretty
much
immediately
thereafter,
so
we
can
ensure
that
we
get
at
least
some
of
the
work
completed.
This
fall
before
the
winter
sets
in
with
that
we'll
open.
D
A
Okay,
so
we
will
take
committee
members
first
mike,
I
see
you
have
your
hand
raised,
go
ahead.
B
Yeah,
I
got
two
questions:
do
we
have
a
copy
of
what
of
the
new
draft
of
the
agreement
that
marissa
referred
to?
I
couldn't
find
it
so
I'd
like
to
get
it
and
then
the
other
point,
and
and
I'd
like
to
have
some
time
to
kind
of
review
it
and
then
the
issue
about
14,
500
being
a
seasonal
item
to
do
maintenance
on
the
bridge.
Do
we
have
any?
I
mean
that
the
state
operates
a
number
of
urban
linear
parks.
B
They
have
one
in
amsterdam,
hudson
and
poughkeepsie
and
probably
in
other
places
too
do
we
have
any
idea
of
how
much
money
they
they
spend
not
on
the
structural
maintenance,
but
just
on
the
routine
maintenance,
particularly
if
it's
a
bridge
with
gardens
and
plantings,
and
you
know
and
a
surface
that
has
to
be
cleaned,
because
because
my
understanding
is
the
crew
at
according
preserve,
which
does
a
nice
job
mostly
does
grass
mowing
and
cleaning
the
bathrooms
and
cleaning
the
parking
lot,
and
this
is
a
different
different
set
of
tasks.
C
I
I
don't
have
in
terms
of
the
actual
parts
that
you're
referring
to.
I
don't
have
maintenance
numbers
for
those
other
linear
parks,
but
I
can
say,
in
terms
of
our
linear
park,
dgs
made
this
estimate
based
on
the
square
footage
that
we'd
be
adding
to
the
park's
rotation.
I
I
just
want
to
say
sergio
if
I
know
it
was
a
couple
years
ago,
but
when
he
came
to
us
part
of
the
reason
why
we
brought
him
on
board
was
because
sergio's
so
data
oriented
and
very
metric
focused.
C
B
Well,
that
may
be,
but
the
way
it
was
put
to
us
is
that
it's
it's
an
extension
of
the
servicing
that
they're
already
doing
for
the
corning
preserve
right,
and
it
just
seems
like
a
very
low
low
number
to
me-
and
I
thought
maybe
going
to
the
state
of
new
york,
which
has
some
experience
in
the
surface.
Maintaining
of
these
parks
might
give
us
a
working
number.
I
mean
obviously
the
crews
that
maintain
your
your
other
parks.
B
This
is
a
totally
different
type
type
of
park,
yeah
so
and-
and
we
haven't
seen
any
of
the
justification
about
this
projected
fourteen
thousand
five
hundred
has
really
increasingly.
K
K
That's
what
you
said
an
additional
person
to
one
of
those
peak
funds
where
people
frequent
the
sky
away
would
be
to
be
an
addition
that
that's
that
that's
as
far
as
we
see
all
it
is,
is
that
marriage
of
the
corning
preserve
and
the
sky
were
together,
and
we
would
have
six
people
there
to
manage
and
handle
the
park,
which
I
it's
more
than
two
hours.
C
And
the
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
too,
is
you're
right.
This
is
unlike
any
other
park
in
the
city,
but
the
mine.
There
are
no
fields
to
mow,
there's,
no,
nothing!
Nothing
is
being
added
that
isn't
already
being
taken
care
of
other
than
some
we're,
adding
trees
and
we're
adding
some
grasses
in
in
very
self-contained
environments
where
actually
they're
designed
so
that
when
it
rains
the
water
is
retained
in
a
way,
so
they
can
help
water
the
trees
from
the
grass.
So
we're
talking
about
picking
up
garbage.
C
That
is,
that
is
an
ad
we're
talking
about
ensuring
that
you
know,
if
should
graffiti,
be
painted
on
the
skyway
that
being
cleaned
up,
but
we're
not
like
the
grass
portion
down
by
the
river.
The
riverfront
end
of
the
skyway
is
already
there.
So
we're
not
we're,
not
we're,
not
turning
it
into
a
giant
field.
So
it's
you
know
we're
we're
we're
very
confident
in
the
in
the
calculation
that
dgs
is
provided.
C
B
I
Would
also,
I
would
also
like
to
add
that
the
corning
preserve
is
very
similar,
there's
a
lot
more
hardscape
at
the
corning
preserve
with
all
of
what
was
handed
with
jennings
landing
and
all
of
the
area
with
the
with
the
pathways
the
bike
path.
You
know
the
the
walking
paths
and
all
of
that
very
similar
to
the
hardscapes.
I
H
Yeah,
just
I
know,
councilman
o'brien
had
brought
up
like
one
of
one
project
that
was
done
in
poughkeepsie,
which
is
the
walkway
over
the
huts
in
which
my
family
was
closely
affiliated.
I
know
the
maintenance
on
that
is
actually
much
more
substantial
than
what
is
being
proposed
here,
because
the
walkway
over
the
hudson
is
much
longer
because
it
goes
over
the
entire
hudson,
and
on
top
of
that,
the
way
the
state
does
is
because
it's
a
rail
trail.
A
So
just
keeping
an
eye
on
time
and
the
awareness.
F
B
G
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
in
my
time
on
the
council,
I
think
I've
approved
or
we've
discussed-
and
I
think
we've
approved
through
the
finance
committee
over
a
half
million
dollars
in
repairs
on
the
the
bridge.
G
To
the
you
know,
the
jennings
preserve
the
jennings
landing
and
a
lot
of
that
was
for
concrete
work,
parapets,
etc.
Some
of
it
was
as
a
result
of
what
we
believe
is
some
substandard
concrete
that
was
used,
and
I
assume
some
of
that
would
be.
If
that
were
the
case,
the
state
would
then
pick
up,
but
you
know
I
just
want
to
mention
that,
because
I
you
know,
I
appreciate
that
we're
hoping
that
everything
is
going
to
be
fine.
G
I
know
you
know
they're
asking
us
to
minimize
putting
down
salt
which
deteriorates
the
concrete
resurfacing
concrete,
can
be
a
problem
they're
requiring
us
to
do
address
repair,
waterproofing
membrane
as
needed,
joints,
cleaning
and
painting
and
scuppers
and
etc.
G
That
you
know,
I
think,
there's
you
know
some
of
that.
Here's
here's
something
I
want
to
say
here.
However,
I
you
know,
I
think
that
there's
a
an
impression
that
I
don't
like
the
project-
it's
not
that
I
don't
like
the
project.
G
My
concern
is
allocating
scarce
resources,
which
is
always
an
issue
in
the
city
and
a
little
bit
more
important
of
these
particular
days.
G
G
The
part
of
the
goal
here
is
to
just
lay
out
what
those
costs
really
are,
so
that
we're
entering
this
with
open
eyes,
and
I
think
that
so
I
think
that
there
are
some
things
that
have
not
necessarily
been
incorporated
into
this,
that
I
think
that
we
could
reasonably
expect
to
result
in
additional
costs,
and
hopefully,
if
there's
any
issues
with
poor
materials
or
poor
workmanship,
that
that
is
something
that
the
city
would
be
able
to
get
the
state
to
step
in
and
correct,
and
that
kind
of
thing
two
things
that
are
not
in
here
is
the
cost
of
insurance,
which
I
I'm
wondering
we're
required
to
carry
insurance
on
this
for
the
state
and
also
the
operation
of
the
pop-up
activities,
which
I
note
we
have
festivals
in.
G
G
So
I
want
to
let
you
address
those,
but
I
do
have
questions
about
how
the
numbers
add
up,
because
it's
different
than
some
of
what
we've
been
told
in
the
past,
and
I
noted
that
in
email.
C
Yeah
and
so
just
to
clarify
on
the
numbers
that
that
was
part
of
in
regards
to
maurice's
clarification
at
the
very
beginning,
the
numbers
that
didn't
add
up
were
part
of
the
betterment
agreement
that
were
quote.
That's.
B
I
G
It's
actually
from
the
from
one
of
the
attachments
here
I
think
yeah
page
32.
F
G
For
the
gateway
project,
we
were
supposed
to
be
contributing
one
point:
150
000
on
top
of
the
1.25,
are
we
off
the
hook
for
that?
Yes,
yeah?
G
Oh
that's
nice
and
I
note
that
there's
a
grant
for
250
000
from
parks
that
I
don't
think
was
previously
in
our
estimates.
One
of
the
things
here
is
so
page
32
says
12.05
million
dollars.
As
we
were
previously
told.
This
was
an
11.4
million
dollar
project
total.
F
Yeah,
the
you
know,
the
total
project
cost
has
sort
of
been
a
moving
target
for
a
while
now
and
that's
partly
just
because
the
design
team
has
been
meeting
on
a
monthly
basis
and
that
design
has
been
changing.
You
know
at
one
point:
the
gateway
wasn't
a
part
of
the
design
and
the
plans
changed,
and
you
know
it's
just
sort
of
been
influxed,
but
what's
important
is
that
our
share
remains
the
same.
F
G
1.25
million,
I
noted
to
you
that
there
was
this
provision
and
noted
to
david
that
there
was
this
provision
that
made
us
on
the
hook
for
their
balance,
and
I
saw
marissa's
comment
about
that,
and
I
appreciate
that
this
is
the
way
the
law
works.
But
when
we're
authorizing
the
mayor
to
enter
into
this,
will
she
have
the
authority
to
spend
one
point
more
than
1.25
million
dollars
if
there
are
cost
overruns
and
if
so,
what
do
we
do
about
that
and
what
you
know?
What's
our
responsibility.
F
If
there
are
cost
overruns,
so
I
guess
there's
there's
two
scenarios
we
can
we
can
talk
about.
Is
you
know
the
project's
going
out
for
bid
shortly?
And
you
know
our
estimates
are
what
they
are
their
estimates.
So
when
we
get
those
bids
back,
you
know
for
ins
if
they
came
back
significantly
higher
than
we
had
estimated.
For
you
know,
we'd
have
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
We'd
have
to
come
back
to
you.
We'd
have
to
go
back
to
the
state,
seek
other
funding.
F
F
If
and
if
it
happens
at
a
later
point
in
the
project,
there
are
increased
costs.
You
know,
I
guess
you
know.
Pursuant
to
the
charter,
the
mayor
does
have
certain
authorities
to
enter
into
certain
contracts
or
to
spend,
make
certain
spending
allotments
with
cash
on
hand.
So
if
it
was
a
nominal
amount,
I
I
mean
I,
I
guess
she
could
as
part
of
her
budget
proposal
put
in
funds
for
increased
spending.
It's
not
part
of
the
plan
and
we
don't
have
any
money
to
do
that.
D
C
H
G
Do
you
have
information
on
insurance?
Do
you.
F
Have
a
deal
yeah.
I
spoke
to
our
insurance
agent
about
your
question
and
his
answer
was
basically
that
the
cost
will
be
de
minimis,
very
minimal,
like
we've
added
other
parks
in
the
past
throughout
the
city,
and
it
doesn't
change
our
policy
because
we
don't
ensure
like
per
park.
You
know
if,
if
there
was
a
you
know
increased
incidence
or
injuries
or
something
as
a
result
of
a
new
park,
then
you
know
that's
hard
to
predict,
but
there
would
be
negligible.
Increased
insurance
costs.
G
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
that's
what
I
assumed,
but
I
don't
like
to
assume.
F
Absolutely
yeah
I
had
to
call
I
had
to
call
our
guy
on
it,
so
it
was
a
good
question.
A
I
just
want
to
judy
I'm
I'm
guessing.
You
have
more
questions.
I
just
want
to
note
the
time
I
think
we
do
actually
still
have
a
finance
committee
quorum,
but
mike
does
need
to
leave
and
I'm
I'm
not.
I
you
just
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
time
so
that
we
still
continually
have
a
quorum
and
then
judy
when
you're
done
alfredo.
I
see
your
virtual
hand
and
you'll
be
next.
C
So
I'm
sorry,
I
mean
myself
the
new
route
9,
I'm
just
reading
from
this
letter
that.
C
C
And
we
can
send
you
a
map,
but
that's
that
is
the.
That
would
be
the
rerouting.
C
No,
we
we,
the
state,
basically
said
they
needed
a
letter
from
us
a
while
back
back
in
february,
acknowledging
the
change
but
the
state
the
state
handles
all
that
we
don't
handle
any
of
that.
G
G
L
A
Well,
alfredo.
M
I
also
want
a
little
clarification
on
numbers
when
we
look
at
the
table
on
page
32,
it
says
that
our
contribution
is
1.5,
I'm
sorry
1.25,
but
when
you
look
at
the
letter
that
they
sent
to
our
engineer,
it
says
that
the
check
needs
to
be
put
it
key
bank
for
1.5.
M
F
Yeah
yeah,
no,
maybe
you
missed
my
introduction
period,
but
that
letter
and
the
in
the
betterment
agreement
that
it
refers
to
can
be
disregarded.
F
It
actually
was
sort
of
a
pro
forma
letter
that
was
sent
by
a
different
dot
department
and
they
sort
of
had
their
wires
crossed
so
that
you
can
disregard
that
letter
and
just
just
focus
on
the
mno
agreement.
O
O
When
you
look
at
a
project
like
this
at
this
magnitude,
the
district
that
is
going
to
the
war
that
is
going
to
I've
been
in
albany
for
a
couple
of
years-
and
I
don't
remember
the
last
time
the
state
gave
10
million
dollars
to
this
city,
particularly
to
make
any
type
of
project
or
any
economic
development
in
the
third
ward
or
arby
hill
neighborhood,
and
right
now
we
have
an
opportunity
in
front
of
us
where,
even
in
this
pandemic,
the
governor
is
making
a
a
commitment.
O
You
know
this
is
I
look
at
this
as
an
equity
type
of
project
right,
you
know,
as
a
council
member
representative
tim
ford,
I
mean
I
wish
I
could
get
10
million
dollars
in
my
district,
but
the
governor
and
the
mayor
are
making
a
concentrated
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
improve
certain
communities
that
have
been
neglected
for
years
and
decades,
and
I
think
that
you
know
you
know.
Some
of
my
colleagues
are
talking
about
fiscal
responsibility
and
fiscal
discipline
and
look
I
I
get
it.
I
get
it.
O
I
get
it,
but
we
have
to
look
at
the
scope
of
what
this
project
will
mean
to
that
community
that
have
been
neglected
for
years
and
decades
right.
You
know
this
serve
as
an
incubator
right
for
entrepreneurs
to
actually
set
up
businesses
right
now,
you'll
go
to
any
farmer's
market.
Those
individuals
who
are
not
able
to
open
storefronts
are
relying
on
farmers
markets.
O
If
we
have
the
skyway
project
instead
of
going
to
washington
park
or
gilderland
park
guild
land
for
farmers
market,
you
could
essentially
take
your
business
to
the
skyway
to
try
to
make
some
ends
meet.
This
will
also
improve
and
encourage
individuals
from
troy
surrounding
neighborhoods
to
come
into
our
city
to
invest.
So
again
you
know,
I
I
understand
the
questions
that
are
being
asked.
I
get
it,
but
at
the
time,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
it's
time
to
act
and
support
this.
O
You
know,
quite
frankly,
one
of
the
biggest
projects
in
the
capital
region
that
we
have
seen
in
years,
and
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
have
a
ripple
effect
as
it
relates
to
helping
local
businesses,
local
restaurants,
local
artists,
local
stores,
local
vendors.
You
know
we
don't.
We
should
not
have
to
travel
to
troy
and
hudson
and
saratoga
to
reach
new
markets.
You
know
we
could
do
it
right
here
in
our
city
and
I
think
that's
what
this
project
is
going
to
be.
O
It's
going
to
be
a
beacon
of
hope
that
individuals
could
look
at
the
city
of
albany,
skyway
project
and
say
look
albany
is
on
a
rise.
Albany
is
moving
forward.
Albany
is
the
place
to
be
because
this
is
futuristic
and
it's
consistent
with
you
know
the
2030
plan.
So
essentially
I
just
want
to
you
know
you
know
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
for
all
the
questions.
That's
been
asked
really
good
question
that's
being
asked,
but
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
move
forward
and
support
this
project.
O
I
know
the
councilwoman
who
represents
that
district
is
strongly
in
favor
of
this
project
and
those
individuals
in
those
communities.
So
again,
if
we
say
no
to
this
type
of
project,
you
know
we're
sending
essentially
sending
money
to
buffalo
and
rochester,
because
they
would
really
appreciate
this
type
of
project.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
all
the
questions,
and
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
for
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
go
ahead,
joe.
N
Yes,
judy
brought
up
a
point.
That's
got
me
wondering
she
was
talking
about
in
deterioration.
Okay,
would
the
state
step
in
make
the
corrections
brought
to
mind
the
pedestrian
bridge
to
jennings
landing,
and
the
question
for
randy
is
when
and
that
I
don't
know
it
was
about.
Eight
years
ago
things
started
deteriorating.
We
had
to
put
a
lot
of
money
into
it.
It
was
a
bad
mix
of
concrete.
L
What
occurred
on
the
waterfront
pedestrian
bridge
was
an
alkali
silica
reaction
in
the
concrete
which
the
aggregate
that
was
used
reacted
with
the
cement
and
other
mixtures.
Basically,
what
ended
up
happening?
It's
very
complicated
technical,
but
that
aggregate
came
from
an
approved
dlt
source.
Really.
What
ends
up
happening
is
that
concrete
starts
failing
from
the
interior.
N
L
N
L
N
N
L
Know
as
comparable
henry
johnson
boulevard
bridge
was
built
in
the
same
time
period,
the
cities
put
about
1.2
million
dollars
into
that
bridge,
the
majority
of
that
we
received
federal
aid
for
and
that's
over
to
the
span
the
light
span
of
that
bridge
at
this
point's
about
50
years.
So
in
50
years
the
city's
invest
1.2
million
most
of
it's
federal
aid.
So
thank.
J
Real
fast,
I
just
have
a
few
comments
and
and
a
couple
of
questions
david
when
you
showed
the
numbers
and
you
were
predicting
20
years
down.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
you
said
30
years,
but
you.
J
Account
inflation
and
nobody
knows
what
the
inflation
rate
will
be,
so
that
cost
that
you're,
showing
20
years
from
now
could
actually
be
a
lot
more
if
we
get
hit
with
hyperinflation.
As
you
know,
the
federal
government
is
printing
money
faster
than
anything,
and
I
think
we
will
be
hit
at
some
point.
So
that's
just
a
comment
that
you
know.
I
understand.
M
J
B
J
Years,
20
years
it
gets
kind
of
difficult,
my
other,
but
I
have
two
questions
and
one
would
be
for
andy
and
then
one
probably
for
you
david.
My
big
concern
was
when
I
read
the
agreement
from
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
comb
through
the
the
newest
documentation.
J
The
state
had
said
that
if
we
don't
keep
up
with
the
maintenance
that
we
own
the
bridge-
and
I
think
what
I
saw
on
your
slides-
is
that
if
we
don't
keep
up
the
maintenance,
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
state
to
do
it
is
that
you
know
that's
my
big
concern.
If
and
then
my
second
question
would
be
for
randy.
Can
we
keep
up
with
the
maintenance
keeping
the
drains
clean?
Do
we
have
men
that
are
trained
now?
You
mentioned
henry
johnson.
I
guess
we
take
care
of
that.
J
C
Problem,
yeah
councilman,
just
to
speak.
To
that
first
question:
the
the
slide
and
I'll
just
read
it
off.
We
would
we
would
have
to
pay
a
prorated
share
of
any
repairs
that
the
state
has
to
perform
as
a
result
of
the
city's
failure
to
undertake
any
maintenance
for
which
the
city
is
responsible.
So
the
hypothetical
that
was
used
was
let's
say,
someone
goes
on
the
skyway.
C
They
they
cut
the
fence,
that's
on
the
skyway,
so
the
fence
is
dangling
and
then
the
state
calls
us
and
says:
hey.
You
have
x
amount
of
hours
to
fix
it,
and
if
you
don't
we're
going
to
fix
it
and
we're
going
to
bill
you
for
it
that
that's
one
example
of
a
hypothetical
that
could
happen
where,
where
we
would
be
on
the
hook,
should
the
state
have
to
step
in
and
maintain
a
part
of
the
skyway
essentially
on
our
behalf,
but
we
we
did.
C
I
know
you
did
one
raise
one
other
concern
earlier
on
and
I
know
we.
I
know
we
had
the
language
change.
That's
something
off
topic
that
you,
you
didn't
mention
about
the
the
overages,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
I
didn't
know
if
you
saw
that
or
not,
but
I
did
want
to
note
it
and
then
I'll.
Let
randy
talk
about
the
second
question.
J
C
Essentially,
what
would
happen
is
they'd
have
to
show
it's
our
responsibility.
It
would
really
just
be
a
question
of
fact.
So
it's
all.
It
really
is
all
hypothetical,
but
it
would
result
in
us
getting
an
engineer.
You
know
getting
a
a
third-party
engineer
and
and
drilling
down
as
to
who's
responsible
for
what
and
what
might
have
caused
whatever.
F
Yeah
well
yes,
but
we're
not
we're
keep
in
mind
that
we're
never
on
the
hook
for
structural
or
superstructure
maintenance.
So
the
example
david
gave
was
more
the
more
likely
thing.
It
would
be
a
damaged
fence
that
was
causing
a
hazard
to
the
roadway
below,
because
we're
responsible
for
those
surface
elements
only.
F
A
L
L
J
L
Yeah
someone,
some
of
those
issues
would
be
addressed
by
a
maintenance
contract
very
similar
to
we
do
roofing
maintenance,
elevators
masonry,
plumbing
all
those
all
those
maintenance
agreements
that
we
have.
L
J
And
they
would
that
would
come
out
of
your
budget,
then
the
maintenance
on
it
like
to
hire
an
outside
company.
That
would
be
part
of
your
budget.
L
K
So
much
that
randy
is
is
talking
about
already
existing.
You
know
that
we
have
plumbing
contracts,
we
have,
we
have
with
experts
that
can
handle
it
some
of
this
contract.
That's
why
the
cost
is
very
minimal.
We
have
electrical
contractors,
we
have
plumbing
contractors,
we
have
masonry
contractors
so
for
the
maintenance,
regular
maintenance.
Those
contracts
would
suffice,
a
better
minimum
cost.
P
Thank
you
so
as
I
listen
and-
and
I
hear
a
lot
of
minimal
projections,
but
I
also
hear
that,
if
things
don't
go
the
way
it's
supposed
to
that,
we
could
be
responsible
for
more,
and
you
know
it
just
you
know.
I've
never
been
big
on
this
project
and
when
I
hear
10
million
dollars
invested
in
the
community,
I'm
sure
that
if
you
talk
to
that
community,
it's
a
number
of
other
projects
that
are
more
pressing
and
and
and
near
and
dear,
to
their
hearts.
P
So
to
use
the
fact
that
a
community
has
been
neglected
for
so
long
and
then
you
know
dangle
a
dollar
sign
on
a
project
that
is
not
gonna
be
received
in
the
same
manner
to
the
direct
communities
surrounding
this
project.
P
It's
just
concerning,
and
and
at
this
time
we
just
went
through
covet
and
covet
prevented
us
from
doing
our
normal
maintenance
on
our
our
own
city
parks,
and
it
just
makes
me
wonder
how
we
can
say
that
we're
adding
additional
park
on,
and
it's
only
going
to
be
a
part-time
salary
and
just
being
realistic
about
it.
P
You
know
we've
had
situations
with
this
administration
that
they
make
projections
and
the
projections
never
materialize
in
in
a
manner
that
they're
presented,
and
so
they
should
expect
pushback,
and
you
know,
concern
moving
forward
with
a
project
like
this,
so
I
I
I
just
you
know,
aren't
I'm
not
satisfied
with
what
has
been
presented
as
far
as
the
the
price
that
we
would
have
to
incur
to
try
to
keep
this
park
maintained.
P
So
I
just
wanna
go
on
record
to
state
that
I
you
know
the
the
actual
the
words
that
was
used
to
describe
this
project
and
the
excitement
that
I
that
was
mentioned.
I
don't
feel
it
and
I
don't
hear
it
and
I
don't
see
it
when
I
talk
to
the
people
in
those
communities.
So
thank
you.
Q
Thank
you.
I
do
appreciate
everyone
raising
concerns
about
maintenance,
cost
costs
and
any
potential
maintenance
costs
absolutely
and
the
concern
raised
about
scarce
resources.
But
I
I
think
you
know
from
what
I
have
heard.
I
mean
once
again:
10
million
dollars
very
difficult
to
turn
that
down,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there's
projects
that
have
already
spun
off
from
this
exciting
project,
the
skyway
project.
So
maybe
you
could
take
a
minute
david
or
someone
else
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
Q
Some
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
revenue
producing
projects
that
are
in
the
works
as
a
result
of
this
exciting
thing,
that's
going
to
be
happening,
downtown.
C
Sure,
and
just
one
thing
before
I
even
get
into
that
just
as
a
reminder:
the
tap
award
was
it's
a
transportation
award,
it's
specifically
for
taking
roadway
offline
and
converting
it
to
parks,
so
there's
a
very
limited
scope
as
to
what
we
could
use
the
tap
funding
for,
but
the
skyway-
and
I
know
I
don't
want
to
beat
a
dead
horse,
but
back
in
remember
it's
december
or
january.
C
Now,
when
we
had
the
original
vote
on
the
bonding,
I
know
we
had
a
number
of
folks
from
the
business
in
the
development
community
and
and
assembly
member
fei.
He
come
to
public
comment
at
the
council
meeting
and
talk
about
how
the
skyway
was
a
direct
driver
in
investment
in
downtown,
including
by
jeff,
buell
and
red
burn
development.
There's
a
number
of
buildings
that
were
that
that
are
have
been
renovated
are
have
80
percent
occupancy.
C
Now
their
people
are
moving
downtown
at
record
numbers
and
it's
driving
investment
into
the
city.
It's
driving
investment
into
the
region,
and
it's
it's
also.
The
the
improvements
that
are
made
as
a
result
of
these
redevelopments
is
also
helping
drive
up
the
you
know.
It'll
help
drive
up
the
assessments.
It'll
help
drive
up
tax
revenue.
It's
gonna
help
drive
sales
tax
revenue,
it's
gonna
help
drive
events,
it's
it's
a
it's
an
economic
stimulator
like
none
other
anywhere
between
here
and
poughkeepsie.
C
Essentially,
so
it's
it's
we're
going
to
see
the
effects
of
this
for
decades
to
come,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
very
exciting
project
once
it
is
all
said
and
done.
I
know
we
wanted
to
open
it
at
the
end
of
2021
and
you
know
the
longer.
We
wait
the
longer
that's
the
further
further
that's
in
reach,
but
whether
it's
the
end
of
2021
or
the
beginning
of
2022.
C
E
I've
been
in
talk
with
the
mayor,
dave
gatling,
since
I
decided
to
support
this,
and
my
community
supports
it
also,
and
I'm
in
my
community
at
least
five
six
days
a
week
and
my
community
support
me
on
this,
because
it's
an
opportunity
for
jobs
that
the
that
they
have
promised
me
and
I'm
asking
the
committee
of
the
council
to
support
me
on
this.
C
Just
before
you
do
that,
council
member,
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
we
have
to
make
them.
It
would
have
to
be
emotionally
amended
resolution
that.
E
G
G
E
A
And
all
those
in
favor
committee
members
hi,
that's
ballerin,
robinson
farrell
and
the
affirmative,
any
abstentions
or
negatives.
A
And
an
abstention
from
councilmember
to
shay.
That
is
all
we
have
this
fine
evening.
Thank
you
guys,
all
so
much
and
thank
you
very
much
staff
for
all
the
work
that
you
put
into
this
and
huge
shout
out
to
my
finance
committee
members.
I
appreciate
all
of
you
guys
a
lot
and
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you'll
be
putting
in
very
soon
so.
Thank
you.
A
C
You
for
making
this
possible
giving
up.
O
M
A
Completely
completely
agree
and
definitely
will
do
my
best,
and
I
apologize
for
that.