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Description
The Committee discussed the 5-year capital plan.
A
Okay,
welcome
everyone
to
our
september
23rd
finance
committee
meeting.
We
are
talk
focused
on
the
five-year
capital
plan.
We
have
committee
members,
jamil
robinson,
alfredo
ballerin,
mike
o'brien.
We
are
also
joined
by
some
wonderful
staff.
We
have
john
raphael
piccardo,
michelle
andre.
We
have
nick
riley
mike
wheeler.
Oh,
I
thought
you
were
showing
like
more
people
there
nick
we
have
our
treasure
daria
shout
far
and
we
have
the
fabulous
danielle
gillespie.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
What
we
have
this
year
they've,
I
know
they've
done
a
great
deal
of
work
on
it
as
we
go
through
this.
If
there's
different
changes,
some
of
them,
we
might
not
be
able
to
see
in
this
specific
year's
capital
plan.
We
also
might
need
to
do
more
work
on
this
process,
so
I
just
I
kind
of
want
to
create
expectations
of
people,
understanding
that
we're
probably
not
going
to
have
a
perfect
thing
here,
we're
going
to
hopefully
have
a
I
mean.
A
C
Yeah
I'll
take
over
so
when
talking
with
the
group
here
about
how
we
wanted
to
structure
the
capital
budget,
our
primary
goal
was
to
keep
some
of
the
formatting
the
same,
but
then
add
additional
components
in
to
help
justify
department
reasonings,
for
why
they're
going
out
for
certain
projects.
So
the
general
format
is
going
to
look
the
same
at
first,
so
you're
going
to
have
a
schedule
of
principal
and
interest
payments,
you're
going
to
have
a
current
year.
Summary
you're
going
to
have
a
five-year
summary.
C
But
what
is
changing
this
year
is
that
after
you
have
the
current
year
plan
detail
you're
going
to
have
a
department
breakdown,
so
every
single
department,
that's
bonding
within
that
year,
is
going
to
have
a
breakdown
of
what
they're
asking
for
and
more
of
a
narrative
that
follows
that
in
the
budget
book,
that's
going
to
explain
their
rationale
behind
that
I
included
fire
and
the
attachment.
Just
as
an
example.
I
I
used
like
fake
letters
and
things
like
that.
C
A
A
A
What
I'm
interested
in
is
because
there's
got
to
be
as
we're
going
through
to
discuss
bonding
as
we
kind
of
deal
with
the
you
know
the
different
requests
with
bonding-
I
I
know
so.
If
we
talk
about
the
level
of
detail
nick,
when
you
were
right
in
with
fire,
we
got
like
a
whole
different
thing.
We
were
looking
at
bonding
like
a
plan.
These
are
the
vehicles.
This
is
how
long
I
think
that
that's,
I
don't
know
that.
A
That's
necessarily
the
level
of
detail
that
needs
to
go
on
the
budget
book.
But
when
you
look
at
the
osc
guidelines,
which
judy
will
be
pleased,
I
spent
some
quality
time
with
those
today
and
that's
actually,
I
mean
they
talk
about
doing
that's
kind
of
what
they
talk
about,
doing,
which
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
you're
getting.
I
I
feel
like
there's
a
sweet
spot
like
having
that
level
of
detail
for
every
department.
It's
probably
not.
C
C
What
I
think
is
going
to
be
included
in
the
narrative.
That's
going
into
the
budget
book
is
going
to
be
the
exact
request
for
that
year,
not
the
entire
fleet
schedule
so
so,
for
instance,
for
dgs
you're
gonna
see
like
if
they're
replacing
packers
it's
gonna
show
you
the
age
of
all
the
packers
that
are
being
replaced
and
how
that
relates
to
what
the
recommended
useful
life
is
for
those
packers.
What
the
mileage
information
is
the
annual
repairs.
C
So
there's
going
to
be
a
narrative
that
kind
of
explains
all
those
items
that
compose
that
fleet
plan.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
the
entire
fleet
plan
with
items
that
aren't
being
replaced
because
that's
just
gonna
take
up
unnecessary
space
to
include
that
in
the
budget
book.
But
that
could
be
something
that
a
department
can
provide
when
they're
presenting
to
the
council
for
a
meeting.
A
Right,
okay,
that
would
be
my
my
follow-up
that
that
level
of
detail
I
mean,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
bonding,
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
level
of
detail.
It
is
really
important
to
do
that
and
then
the
other
piece
of
that
in
terms
of
our
you
know
like
our
buildings
themselves,
then
that
kind
of,
if
you
have
a
because
the
the
osc
has
a
whole
thing
about,
I
mean
the
first
step
is
doing
like
a
full
asset
review,
which
is
have.
C
I
I
don't
think
that
we
have
a
full
asset
review
for
for
buildings
in
terms
of
what
what
their
age
is.
I
I
know
for
vehicles,
the
major
departments
that
I've
talked
to
police
fire
and
dgs
have
provided
us
with
their
entire
fleets
and
a
entire
fleet
replacement
schedule,
they're
they're,
not
all
together,
but
between
the
departments
for
what
their
asks
are.
They
do
have
that
supporting
information.
I
I
don't
have
that
for
for
buildings,
though.
A
And
I
think
that
I
mean
I
would
say
that
that
would
not
necessarily,
I
think,
that's
been
an
issue
that
I've
seen
as
we've
kind
of
gone
through
this
process
that
that
overall,
the
way,
as
I
said-
and
this
makes
sense,
municipalities
across
probably
the
world
do
this.
Where,
instead
of
putting
money
into
buildings,
you
put
money
to
people
into
people,
that's
why
school
districts
actually
have
building
aid,
because
that
schools
were
crumbling
and
and
that
that
was
a
big
push
one
year,
so
that
it's
not.
A
D
C
Well,
we
we
know,
based
on
talking
to
departments
what
their
five-year
horizon
is
for
what
they're
going
to
need
to
do
for
repairs
like
we
know
from
randy.
We
have
the
detailed
narratives
about
these
are
all
the
projects
that
he
has
on
his
horizon
in
the
next
five
years.
I
I
I'm
just
saying
that,
in
terms
of
what
the
budget
office
has
doesn't
have,
we
don't
have
a
complete
asset
list
of
all
of
our
buildings
in
terms
of
the
stats
of
when
they
were
lapse.
Repaired
I'd
have
to
talk
to
engineering,
about
that.
D
C
Correct,
that's
that's!
That
is
a
long.
That
is
a
long-term
goal
and
we
have,
as
the
budget
office
we've
done,
that
with
vehicles.
We
now
I
can
now
say
with
confidence
that
we
have
that
level
of
insight
into
vehicles
within
the
police
department,
fire
department
and
with
general
services,
which
is
definitely
allowing
us
as
a
budget
office,
to
be
more
insightful
in
our
decisions
that
we
are
making
with
vehicles.
C
A
Just
want
to
do
a
quick
break
in
here,
because
we
have
been
joined
by
the
incredible
joyce
love
and
I
have
not
noticed
her
yet
and
there
she
is
so
I
would
say
that's
something
that
we
should
add
to
our
list
of
things.
That
should
be
added
at
some
point
and
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think
that
it
would
be
helpful.
We
have
engineering
coming
in
as
part
of
the
to
talk
about
their
budget.
A
I
think
talking
about
this
with
engineering
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
seeing
like
if
there's
follow-up
conversations,
because
it
is
something
that
I
know
I
have
talked
about
in
meetings
over
the
years,
because
that
was
when
I
was
on
the
school
district
and
focused
on
facilities.
That
was
a
regular.
I
mean
it's
actually
state
mandated
for
the
district
because
of
building
it.
A
B
D
D
Last
year
we
have
a
capital
budget,
it's
only
a
capital
budget,
it's
not
a
capital
plan,
so
the
five
five-year
plan.
If
I
can
read
this
the
first
year,
the
first
year
of
the
capital
plan
shall
be
in
the
budget
included
in
the
budget
for
the
ensuing
year.
The
five-year
plan
shall
include
a
clear
general
summary
of
its
contents,
a
list
of
all
capital
projects
to
be
undertaken
during
the
ensuing
five
years.
D
So
that's
specif.
Those
are
specific
projects.
That's
not
sort
of.
Oh
engineering
is
going
to
ask
for
two
million
dollars
next
year
for
city
building
improvements
and
and
500
000
for
bridges.
It
is
a
list
of
all
capital
projects
to
be
undertaken
during
the
ensuing
fiscal
years
and
cost
estimates
sources
of
funding
and,
where
appropriate,
recommended
time
schedules
for
each
such
improvement,
and
that
is
kind
of
also
what
the
is
it
pfm
report.
D
C
After
that
in
the
budget
book
is
going
to
be
a
broken
down
request
of
the
specifics
that
we
are
asking
for.
So,
if
we're
asking
for
dgs
equipment,
it's
going
to
have
a
specific
list
of
the
equipment
and
the
cost
of
that
equipment
in
the
capital
plan.
If
recreation
wants
to
to
borrow
for
stuff
and
that's
in
the
capital
plan,
it's
going
to
have
a
specific
list
of
the
playground
location,
the
spray
pads,
the
the
court
resurfacing,
the
locations
of
where
that
is
you
know.
B
A
C
Is
that
correct?
So,
for
instance,
like
like
what
we
would
have
with
with
vehicles,
is,
it
would
say,
for
instance,
apd
is
replacing
x
or
is
requesting
to
replace
10
police
vehicles.
The
vehicles
that
are
being
replaced
are
on
average,
eight
years
old.
They
have
120
000
miles
on
the
average
and
it
would
it
would
talk
to
you
about
what
the
average
is.
It's
not
going
to
say
we're
replacing
unit
5
vin
number
263.
C
I
mean
that
that
stuff,
the
departments
have
sent
us
they
have
that
they
can
present
to
you
if
they're
requested,
but
it's
not
going
to
actually
physically
be
in
the
budget
book.
The
budget
book
is
going
to
say
that,
like
the
fire
department
is
replacing
like
this
truck,
it's
going
to
go
out
of
service
because
it's
at
100
next
thousand
miles
in
30
000
engine
hours.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
specific.
D
D
Let
you
know
what
was
being
purchased
as
replacement
equipment
as
part
of
essentially
the
operating
budget
as
you
went
along
and
then
also
separately
as
the
capital
budget,
and
one
of
the
things
they
did
is
they
actually
included
like
a
picture
of
the
equipment
that
was
going
to
be
purchased,
and
I
know
that
ginny,
when,
when
dgs
comes
in
and
they're
showing
a
picture,
it's
like.
I
get
it
now.
I
understand
and
this
you
know
and
and
we
can
talk
about,
you
know
what
the
uses
are.
C
And
judy
I'll
I'll
tell
you,
because
I
just
pulled
it
up
on
my
computer:
we
don't,
we
don't
have
the
the
glossy
pictures
that
that
watertown
has,
but
we
have
the
the
narrative
the
narratives
are,
are
pretty
much
on
point
from
what
I'm
looking
at
here
so
with
the
exemption
of
pictures
ours
is.
Ours
is
following
along
with
what
with
what
this
looks
like.
A
A
I
would
be
fine
with
not
having
the
pictures
there,
but
I
definitely
want
them
to
be
part
of
the
presentation.
So
we
don't
have
that
moment
again
where
we
have
the
they're
all
talking
about
packers,
I'm
like
what
is
a
packer
and
they're
like
guys,
it's
a
garbage
truck
and
everybody's,
like
oh,
a
garbage
truck.
Why
didn't
they
just
say
that.
C
I
don't
know
how
that
would
go
into
the
budget
book,
but
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
can
work
on
on
doing
because
I
mean,
for
the
most
part,
that's
going
to
be
my
dgs,
probably
for
a
lot
of
their
specific
equipment
and
vehicle
requested
nestling
that
we
can
work
with
with
joe
on,
and
I
don't
know
if
we'll
be
able
to
make
it
into
the
online
budget
book,
but
we
can
maybe
have
it
as
a
resource
or
work
towards
having
as
a
resource.
I.
A
E
So
I
don't
know
how
some
of
this
stuff
is
going
to
be
handled.
If
that's
any
different
seems
like
some
of
our
buildings
are
in
tough
shape,
and
I
thought
I
heard
that
they
were
going
to
do
a
review
of
city
hall,
where
you
could
study
some
of
this
and
then
get
to
it
through
a
capital
plan.
But
the
way
it
is
now
and
see
how
you
can
do
that.
A
B
A
B
D
With
regard
to
you
made
this
request
now,
what
are
you
doing
to
make
sure
that
that
money
is
being
expended
in
the
way
that
it's
intended
and
I'm
working
hard
at
not
calling
out
any
one
person
or
department?
But
you
guys
all
know
that
sometimes
this
has
happened
and
we've
had
an
excessive
amount
of
money
sitting
around
in
one
department
or
another.
D
A
lot
of
that
I
know
has
been
being
addressed,
but
I
think
that,
but
I
think
that
to
make
that
an
integral
part
of
the
budget,
the
budget
process
as
an
expectation
that
now
it's
going
to
be
public,
where
the
various
projects
stand
and
really
you
know
right
now.
That
seems
a
little
daunting,
because
there
are
so
many
projects
that
are
kind
of
outstanding,
but
over
time
the
goal
is,
I
think
you
know
to
get
the
money
get
the
funding
and
the
project
is
done
in
two
or
three
years.
D
C
Project
yeah.
That
was
something
that
I
I
worked
on
extensively
this
year
and
also
part
of
last
year.
I
looking
at
water
towns
and
looking
at
other
municipal
capital
budgets.
I
I
haven't
seen
one
where
they
include
past
projects
into
the
physical
budget
book
it's
something
last
year
is
it's
one?
If
I
don't
know
if
mike's
on
this
call,
but
I
I
got
a
lot
of
grief
out.
C
I
know
I
know
everything
I
print
is
very
tiny
font,
but
just
the
the
size
of
the
the
tracker
that
we've
built
to
track
the
status
of
old
projects
is
massive.
So
if
you
were
to
print
it
out
on
paper,
it's
going
to
be
almost
impossible
to
see
the
individual
lines,
but
we
we
built
a
spreadsheet
that
tracks
the
status
of
all
these
projects,
and
we
we
use
that
extensively
to.
Let
us
know
like
what
projects
departments
are
capable
of
taking.
C
So
if
there
was
a
department,
like
you
mentioned,
judy
that
might
have
borrowed
too
much
is
falling
behind
on
projects,
whether
that
was
related
to
covid,
whether
it's
related
to
other
factors.
We
would
know
about
that,
and
we
wouldn't
be
if,
if
we
noticed
that
we
wouldn't
be
pushing
projects
in
2021
2022,
if
we
we
would
be
looking
at
what
are
the
st
the
status
of
their
current
projects.
You
know
it's
it's
behind
the
scenes
stuff
that
we
haven't
incorporated
into
the
budget
book.
C
I
guess,
is
the
best
way
to
put
it,
but
we
we
do
have
a
mechanism
now
to
track
the
status
of
old
projects.
It's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
produce
upon
request,
but
at
the
same
time,
while
there
could
be
departments
that
might
be
falling
behind
for
one
reason
or
the
other,
we
also
have
a
significant
number
of
departments
this
year
that
have
pretty
much
spent
every
single
penny
in
their
old
account.
So
so
we,
while
while
there
could
be
some
that
are
falling
behind,
we
also
have
a
lot
that
are
pushing
ahead.
D
C
That's
that's
what
I'm
referring
to
so
so
for
every
single
capital
project.
It's
it's
on
this.
This
mass
spreadsheet,
broken
down
by
department,
it'll,
have
the
amount
authorized
the
amount
borrowed
and
then
it'll
have
all
the
balances
down
to
the
encumbrances.
You
can
look
up
purchase
orders
I
mean
you.
Can
it
tells
you
everything.
C
C
It's
it's
almost
something
that
it's
better
to
look
at
on
a
computer,
because
it's
a
it's
a
massive
spreadsheet
and
just
there's
so
many
columns,
but
I
I
can
definitely
send
it
to
to
you
guys
well
ahead
and
well
in
advance
of
department
presentations.
So
you
can
see
where
exactly
each
department
is.
D
B
D
But
I
found
that
that
extremely
helpful
and
actually
nick,
in
addition
to
maybe
providing
for
that
for
each
department
as
they're
coming
forward,
I
think,
after
the
presentation
of
the
budget
providing
the
whole
overall
picture
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
look
at
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
sometimes
I
get
a
little
confused
about
is
something
that
I
would
think
would
be
in
one
department
winds
up
in
another
so
and
I
kind
of
have
some
extent-
a
mental
running
tally
of
bonds.
That
I
expect
to
see,
I
guess
so.
C
C
That,
but
if,
if
the
account
number
works
for
you,
I
could
I
could
design
it
any
way
you
need
it,
but
yeah
there
are.
There
are
some
so
like,
for
instance,
there
were
some
old
accounts
in
the
fire
department
that
were
for
fire
house,
so
the
gh
account
would
say
it's
a
it's.
A
fire
department
account,
but
we've
actually
moved
that
into
engineering's
department.
So,
even
though
a
certain
number,
it
has
a
couple
accounts
from
fire
and
police
in
there
as
well.
D
C
Yeah,
I
mean
we're,
definitely
getting
there,
I
mean
the
vehicles
was
the
was
the
big
one
I
I
would
love
to
move
on
to
to
asset
asset
management.
Just
it's
I
mean
there's
to
be
some.
I
guess
some
maybe
bigger
complications
with
that
than
there
are
with
vehicles,
but
definitely
definitely
tackle
one
at
a
time,
and
it
part
part
of
that
is
I
just
I
just
don't-
have
the
the
too
much
institutional
knowledge
about
that.
But
you
know,
as
we
get
vehicles
straightened
down
it's
something
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
C
D
No
but
but
you
know
gone
back
four
years
ago,
you
know
I
asked
for
to
you
know
to
understand
this
better
and
mike
and
nick
blaise
started
working
on
producing
reports
that
that
you
have
then
used
as
a
foundation,
and
also
people
in
darius's
office
have
also
assisted
in
this.
So
I
don't
you
know,
while
I
just
singled
you
out,
I
don't
want
to
exclude
anybody
else,
because
it
was.
A
So
if
there's
no
other
questions
from
council
members,
we
have
so
many
meetings
coming
up.
I
would
love
to
release
people,
including
tomorrow
night,
so
don't
forget
about
tomorrow
night
we
have
several
items
of
legislation
that
we
have
to.
I
think
they'll
be
pretty
quick.
I
don't
have
them
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
they
shouldn't
take
too
long,
and
then
we
get
to
talk
about
kind
of
a
similar
thing
where
we're
going
to
have
the
broader
view
of
more
the
fiscal
climate
around
the
budget.
A
So
we're
not
going
to
get
any
specific
numbers
I'll
talk
about
this
again
tomorrow,
but
but
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
have
an
early
night.
So
I
don't
burn
everyone
out
with
many
many
meetings
that
we'll
have.
I
appreciate
everyone
so
much.
Thank
you
to
my
fellow
council
members
for
coming
here
and
I
all
of
you
guys.
I
can't
thank
all
of
you
enough
for
your
hard
work,
because
this
is
not
an
easy
thing
to
do,
and
this
is
really
exciting.