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Description
The Committee reviewed Local Law F - 2020, Ordinance 4.41.20, Ordinance 5.41.20, and Resolution. The Committee also reviewed financial issues with Budget Director Mike Wheeler, Albany Treasurer Darius Shaninfar, and Mayor's Chief of Staff David Galin.
A
B
Hi
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
Thursday
May
14th
Common
Council,
meeting
of
the
finance
assessment
and
Taxation
Committee,
our
staff,
Don
Raphael
Chardo,
just
read
off
the
people
who
are
here
and
since
he's
able
to
see
everyone
that
will
be
the
official
record
of
everyone.
That's
here,
thank
you
for
coming.
I
think
what
we'll
do
first
I
that
will
deal
with
the
bills
that
are
on
our
list
and
then
we're
expecting
some
people
from
the
mayor's
office
to
talk
more
about
exactly
what
is
happening.
B
So,
let's
begin
with
is,
did
you
say:
councilmember
Frederick
is
here
yes,
okay,
let's
start
with
Hurston
and
local
law,
F
a
local
law
amending
chapter,
okay,
F,
I
I!
Don't
need
to
read
it
all
and
so
Sonia.
If
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
it
and
then
we
can
staff
and
Sonia.
If
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
and
then
we
can
go
into
any
questions
that
people
may
have
Thank.
C
C
It
did
sunset
in
2016,
so
I'm
looking
to
bring
it
back
as
a
way
to
incentivize
the
first-time
homebuyers
in
our
city,
as
well
as
to
incentivize
some
construction
in
our
city.
So
this
law
would
allow
for
a
five-year
property
tax
exemption
for
first-time
homebuyers,
for
any
construction
done
on
vacant
lots
and
essentially
what
liquor
is.
It
would
be
a
five
year
tiered
exemption
first
year
than
a
50
percent
exempt
for
the
real
property
tax
law,
40,
30,
20,
10
and
then
ultimately
back
down
to
normal.
C
C
E
C
B
F
D
Believe
so,
under
this
law
under
the
under
the
state
law
that
provides
the
basis
for
doing
this,
there
are
other
incentives
that
are
available.
Trade
could
probably
speak
more
on
it
that
are
available
for
and
they're
very
similar,
and
it's
actually
very
similar.
It's
with
you
in
the
way
that
the
IGA
works
as
well.
D
When
you
take
a
piece
of
property
that
is
kind
of
dilapidated
or
whatever
and
its
value
is
say,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
you
put
in
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
improvements
and
the
taxes
are
teared
upwards
face,
starting
from
that
hundred
thousand
dollar
level
up
to
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
level,
with
five
thousand
dollars
all
the
time.
So.
G
D
H
B
I
E
So
sorry,
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
were
gonna
go
this
section
of
law.
It
also
includes
substantial
renovations,
there's
nothing
in
the
real
property
tax
law
that
doesn't
have
those
two
caveats
in
it
for
first-time
homebuyers
I
think
that
there
may
be
other
programs
that
are
existent,
but
it's
not
an
exemption
or
a
real
property
tax
or
thing
that's
more
through
grants,
and
you
know
that's
more
under
phase
control,
but
as
far
as
exemptions
go
and
just
to
go
off
of
what
the
area's
just
said
there.
E
D
E
I
So
I,
don't
you
know
the
I
guess
yeah
the
other
question
I
have
about
this
is
so
this
was
in
existence
and
it
expired
so
from
a
drafting
standpoint.
Are
we
sure
that
we're
amending
it
based
upon
what
the
current
language
is
or
like
did
it
just
sort
of
become
obsolete
disappear?
Did
it
have
some
sort
of
sign
said
that
it
so
we're
making.
A
I
I
J
A
J
B
A
B
B
B
Forty
four
point:
four
one
point:
two:
zero
and
ordinance
of
the
Common
Council
authorizing
the
sale
to
the
Legal
Aid
Society
of
northeastern
New
York
and
at
69
Sherman
Street.
That
tax
map
parcel
was
done
out
along
with
the
report.
The
appraisal
report-
and
this
is
councilmember
loves
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
anything
council,
member
love
or
if.
B
L
F
B
B
I
Can't
even
see
if
you
can
see
my
hand
because
I
can't
get
it
bring
up
the
gallery
view
at
all
when
this
was
introduced.
I
took
a
look
at
the
parcels
around
there
and
the
the
amount
of
the
land
value
that
the
parcels
are
assessed
at
and
and
I
took
a
look
at
the
appraisal
report,
so,
first
of
all
for
the
land
value
of
the
adjoining
property
and
some
of
the
properties
in
the
area.
I
This
you
know,
if
you
look
at
that,
this
is
undervalued
as
compared
to
those
and
I
was
not
impressed
or
in
are
comfortable
with
the
properties
that
the
appraiser
compared
it
to
and
then
I
want
to
say
seeming
to
discount
this.
So
I
raised
those
issues
when
this
was
introduced
and
wondering
if
anybody
took
a
closer
look
at
those
issues
as
to
whether
or
not
the
the
appraisal
amount
is
appropriate,
we
need
every
dollar
we
can
get
and
I
don't
want
to
under
sell
property.
B
B
It's
not
a
clear
property
in
terms
of
appraisal.
That
was
the
response
that
I
remember
getting.
So
if
we're
looking
at
the
actual
property,
it's
not
that
it's
not
like
a
regular
vacant
lot,
actually
build
something.
You
can't
build
something
on
this
lot.
It's
us
and
where
it
is,
is
a
difficult
place
to
kind
of
do
anything
with
I.
N
K
F
I
I
It's
it's.
It's
kind
of
like
that
issue
with
the
property,
the
Convention
Center,
the
old
Convention
Center
property,
where
the
the
holdouts
are
like.
Well,
this
is
worth
a
ton
of
money
now
because
you
really
want
it
and
to
be
able
to
complete
that
project
and,
however,
in
that
case,
because
it's
for
the
public
good
I
agree
with
the
action
being
taken
to
to
use
eminent
domain
on
that
so
I
guess:
I'm.
Okay,
with
this
yeah.
F
I
just
want
to
add
a
follow-up
question
similar
to
Judy's
Jarrah
field.
You
said
earlier
that,
before
these
cells,
it
goes
through
the
proper
channels.
Can
you
share
a
little
bit
more?
What
the
proper
channels
are,
as
relates
to
some
of
these
cells,
because
we're
gonna
see
more
and
more
of
this
moving
forward
and
I
just
want
to
know
that
is
being
thoroughly
vetted
before
we
give
some
of
these
properties
away.
Do
somebody's
land
away.
A
Unfortunately,
I
I
don't
know
what
channels
it
really
goes
through.
I.
Well,
usually,
when
it
comes
to
a
corporation
council,
has
already
vetted
it
and
it's
gone
through.
I
unfortunately
cannot
speak
to
it.
I
can
definitely
follow
up
with
you
and
figure
out
exactly
what
it
entails,
but
I
don't
have
the
answer
for
that
unfortunate.
K
E
Can
jump
in
there
councilman
I
mean
it's
not
much
information
but
I
do
know
when
any
of
these
properties
are
being
considered
to
be
sold
that
there's
emails
that
include
myself
Joe,
Coffey
Sergio,
you
know
any
any
department
that
really
has
their
hands
on
property.
We're
all
involved
in
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
an
in-depth
discussion,
but
we
are
made
aware
of
it
and
I
think
that
everyone
does
the
same
thing
and
just
looks
at
their
files
to
see
if
there's
anything
outstanding
or
any
issues
known
and
reports
back
to
rod,
McGee
yeah.
D
E
M
M
A
N
B
B
Excellent.
Thank
you.
Everyone
that
passes
through
with
a
positive
recommendation
and
last
before
we
move
on
to
the
presentation
from
a
budget
people
we
have
29.4
1.20
are
a
resolution
affirming
the
manner
in
which
the
city
of
Albany
grants
real
property
tax
exemptions
to
veterans
and
calling
on
the
state
legislature
to
bring
the
statewide
veterans
exemptions
in
line
with
the
city
of
Albany's
practice.
So
this
is
tre.
B
B
Years,
sorry,
so
since
1998,
so
since
his
exemption
has
been
in
existence,
we
have
been
giving.
What
you
were
supposed
to
do
is
give
a
step
up,
so
the
combat
veteran
was
supposed
to
be
getting
25%,
but
instead
the
way
our
assessment
office
looked
at.
That
was
they
added
the
lower
level
with
that
25%.
To
give
that
combat
veteran
40%
we've
been
doing
that
since
1998,
and
so
we
basically
to
give
our
assessment
office
the
ability
to
continue
this
practice
that
we've
been
doing
for
22
years.
N
B
Onus
is
more
on
us
versus
his
office
and
we
will
be,
of
course
right
now.
They,
we
don't
really
know
exactly
what's
happening
with
the
legislature,
but
we
will
be
working
with
our
elected
representatives
to
get
in
bills
to
hopefully
make
a
fix
for
this
at
least
locally.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
else
to
add
with
that.
A
I
E
The
every
there's
about
758
I
think
this
is
City
specific,
this
school
district.
For
some
reason,
what
this
exemption
has
the
ability
to
adopt
their
own?
They
have
adopted
at
lower
levels,
but
on
the
city's
part,
the
code
that
was
adopted
in
98.
It
allows
it
to
grant
forty
which
exceeds
the
state's
maximum
or
25%.
H
L
B
L
L
B
Don't
have
you
know,
the
legislature
did
not
give
us
that
permission
lever,
as
with
many
pieces
in
this
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
the
teeth
would
be
on
it
and
I
I.
Don't
know
that
anybody
on
the
council,
even
during
these
times
once
to
say
to
a
combat
veteran
I,
know
for
the
past
22
years,
you've
been
paying
at
this
tax
rate,
but
we
messed
up
and
you
actually
should
be
paying
at
this
time.
This
higher
tax
rate
and.
E
Additionally,
councilman
to
add
to
that
my
biggest
fear
about
this
is
the
combat
veterans
who
received
financing
based
on
what
our
current
law
wants
and
I
mean.
That
could
just
be
absolutely
catastrophic
on
many
levels
to
you
know
they
were
approved
for
mortgages
and
other
types
of
financing
based
on
our
city
code,
allowing
40%
and
now
we're
just
going
to
reduce
it
to
to
25%.
That's
what
I
think
scares
me
the
most
about
this.
L
E
E
I
have
no
way
to
know
actually
who
has
mortgages
and
who
doesn't,
but,
but
that's
just
you
know,
a
thought
that
I
assume
that
it's
probably
a
good
number
of
them
right.
I
did
reach
out
to
tax
and
finance
several
times
about
this,
and
one
reason
why
I
believe
going
forward.
We
won't
have
too
much
resistance,
is
that
their
stance
has
been
the
same
every
single
time,
which
is
it's
up
to
the
municipalities
on
how
they
would
like
to
administer
their
exemption,
so
they
actually
have
been
flat
out
said
no
I'd
be
out.
E
L
Well,
I
was
wondering
okay,
but
I,
don't
know
I
guess
my
reservation
is
shouldn't.
We
have
a
better
idea
how
many
people
actually
have
their
financing
contingent
upon
this,
and
is
there
some
way
of
doing
your
prospective
lis
so
that,
since
this
was
an
accidental
forty
percent,
so
some
way
of
doing
it
prospective
lis
so
that
new
people
coming
in
would
be
at
the
state
authorized
exemption
rate
and
I
say
that
as
a
not
a
combat
veteran
but
as
a
veteran.
E
E
My
issue
with
that
is,
you
know
the
main
basis
of
assessment
is
its
equity
and
equality
and
and
I
don't
know
you
know.
I
I
have
a
little
reservation
when
it
comes
to
treating
you
know,
people
differently.
I
understand
this
is
a
very
unique
situation,
but
you
know
with
assessment
and
exemptions,
you
don't
you
know
you
want
to
treat
everyone
exactly
the
same.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
found
that
most
because
I
was
on
the
school
board
when
we
put
in
the
veterans
exemption
and
there
wasn't,
we
have
a
right
trust
me
I'm
the
school
board.
We
had
a
ton
of
blowback
on
taxes
regularly,
and
this
was
the
one
thing
that
we
did,
that
people
did
not
mind
so
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
a
blowback
we
actually
would
get
for
this
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
very
comfortable.
Giving
veterans
benefits
they're
appreciative,
especially
combat
that's
so
Alfredo.
You
had
your
hand
up.
J
Which
is
gonna,
say
I
think
we
should
honor
I
know,
there's
other
municipalities
that
actually
have
even
more
generous
set
forums
for
their
combat
veterans
and
live
in
their
communities.
So
I
think
we
should
honor
what
we've
been
doing
for
combat
veterans
and
yeah
I'm
Mike,
especially.
Would
you
be
into
veterans,
III,
I,
respect
that,
but
I
would
disagree,
I
think
we
should
honor
what
we've
been
doing
and
continue
it
for
all
combat
vets.
B
B
B
I
P
P
O
It's
partially
capital
city
funding,
partially
an
estimated
20
percent
decrease
in
state
aid,
which
is
obviously
capital
city
funding
separated
out
and
for
those
of
you
may
not
be
aware.
There's
capital
city
funding,
there's
19
a
money
and
then
there's
aim
funding.
So
there's
three:
three
state
aid
buckets
but
capital
city
funding,
we've
isolated
out
so
that
the
state
aid
is
a
separate
of
that.
Then
we've
also
got
a
estimated
19%
decrease
in
sales
tax.
A
33
percent
decrease
in
departmental
income.
O
So
that's
income
like
building
permits,
different
fees,
licensing
permitting,
etc
and
then,
finally,
the
all
other
income,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
combination
of
a
bunch
of
little
buckets.
So
it
really
works
out
to
an
estimated
revenue
decrease
of
seventeen
point
nine
million
dollars.
So
that's
that
is
the
problem
we
we
are
looking
at
a
seventeen
point:
nine
million
dollar
hole
in
our
budget
right
now
that,
as
you
all
know,
it's
constitutionally
required
that
we
that
we
keep
that
balance.
So
I'll
go
to
the
drawing
questions
on
this
slide
before
I.
A
O
A
Q
L
Q
But
we
did,
we
were
not
really
seeing
we're
not
expecting
to
lose
landfill
for
the
course
of
the
year
generally,
it
does
start
out
very
slow
in
the
first
quarter
and
then
ramps
up.
So
DGS
did
not
indicate
that
they
were
looking
necessarily
for
a
decrease
to
that
landfill.
They
expect
to
come
in
where
they
normally
do,
and
one.
O
H
O
O
L
M
O
M
M
O
O
M
O
I
mean
these:
these
numbers,
the
percent
reductions,
were
really
derived
from
conversations
that
we've
had
with
the
other
layers
of
government.
Obviously,
the
county
collect
sales
tax.
You
know,
and
in
regards
to
the
state
aid
listening
to
the
governor's
daily
press
briefings,
he's
routinely
used
20
percent
as
a
target
for
potential
impacts
to
to
the
state.
So
that's
that's
where
those
numbers
are
coming
from
again.
O
Q
Far
as
the
departmental
income
goes
we
reached,
we'd
spoke
to
through
the
department's
Department
has
individually
to
get
what
they
were,
what
they
were
seeing
and
based
on
you
know,
staying
staying
in
a
clean
and
a
closed
pattern
for
at
least
another
month
or
so
and
really
kind
of
hypothesizing
what
they
were
gonna
see
if
the
remainder
of
the
year,
most
pretty
much
all
that
departmental
income
came
directly
from
Department
input
as
to
what
they're
expecting
based
on
what
they
were
seeing
on
for
the
remainder
in
the
year.
I.
I
I
K
I
N
I
Q
Is
when
we
are
seeing
a
reduction
and
overtime
because
of
a
decrease
in
police
details
and
all
so
and
so,
and
some
of
the
core
ot
as
well,
so
that
is
being
recorded
as
decreases
and
savings
on
the
expense
side
of
things.
So,
yes,
you,
you
will
see
that
recorded
elsewhere.
We
are.
We
are
using
all
those
expense
side
savings
to
a
to
offset
these
revenue
deep
revenue
shortages
as
well.
So
it's
all
part
of
the
mix
as
to
how
we're
going
to
you
know,
fill
this
gap
in.
I
Q
Very
similar
with
golf
as
well
that
where
they
are,
you
know
we
are
going
to
see
a
significant
reduction
in
in
our
budgeted
revenues,
but
on
the
other
side,
there's
also
reduction
in
in
having
the
the
golf
course
close
as
far
as
materials
and
and
personnel
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
some
of
these
things
in
the
rep
and
some
of
this
revenue
men
is
not
necessarily
completely
lost
revenue
because
there
are
backend
savings
associated
with
much
of
it,
so
that
is
all
being
calculated
into
the
bottom
line
formula.
How.
Q
I
D
Yeah
that
that
will
likely
not
be
really
affected
because
the
bills
are
expecting
we're
expecting
at
this
point,
the
bills
to
go
out
in
early
June,
but
those
are
ones
that
would
we
will
be
rolling
over
onto
people's
tax
bills
for
next
year
as
well.
So
those
are
usually
you
know.
There's
there
may
be
Redux
a
reduction
in
collected
cash
prepared
budgeted
for
this
year,
but
for
an
accounting
standpoint,
it
really
is
the
same
thing
to
the
county.
Recounting
would
reimburse
us
once.
I
I
I
R
Okay,
yeah
I
just
got
a
fast
question:
I
was
kind
of
shocked.
Maybe
the
information
I
had
was
wrong,
but
I
hadn't
heard
we're
gonna
run
out
of
money
in
June
and
yet
Schenectady,
which
is
our
you
know
the
next
county
over
and
their
City.
They
have
enough
money,
told
November
so
I'm
just
curious
was
I
hearing
wrong
that
we're
broke
and
Joey
and
I
just
like
you
know,
know.
What's
going
on.
D
Part
of
part
of
our
issue
is
that
we
every
year
holds
415
million
dollars
of
county
money
during
the
year
as
part
of
the
tax
warrant,
which
enhances
our
cash
flow.
If
the
county
were
to
essentially
call
that
in
we
would
be
broken
Jim.
That
doesn't
mean,
however,
that
revenues
are
the
revenues
coming
during
the
rest
of
the
ensuing
months.
To
put
us
over
the
line
broke,
we
had
to
prepare
for
the
worst
case
scenario,
which
would
be
actually
running
out
of
money
in
June.
D
The
good
news
is
that
the
state
made
its
first
1980
meant
to
us
about
seven
point,
eight
million
dollars,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
were
concerned
about
that.
If
that
20
percent
hit
that
Cuomo
has
been
talking
about
to
aid
to
cities,
wouldn't
just
affect
the
capital
city,
funding,
side
or
the
aim
side,
it
would
also
affect
the
19a
side,
but
it
looks
to
be
at
least
for
now
that
we're
safe
there,
which
helps
and
actually
having
that
cash
in
hand
which
you
know
a
few
weeks
ago.
D
We
weren't
sure
that
was
going
to
be
happen,
so
I
think
we're
in
the
short-term
for
right
now
we
have
enough
cash
on
hand.
The
problem
that
we
face
is
the
uncertainty
on
the
especially
cap
city,
funding,
state
aid
sales
tax
and
then
the
amalgamation
of
smaller
revenues
that
departmental
side
on
what
we're
going
to
see
there.
That's
when
and
by
the
time
that
we
start
to
see
the
effects
of
that
side.
It's
gonna
be
too
late
for
us
to
react
in
a
way.
D
R
Arias,
my
big
concern
is
the
city.
Employees
we
released,
40
crossing
guards
and
understand
school
is
closed.
I
can
see
that.
Are
we
going
to
be
laying
off
other
city
employees
before
we
know
for
sure
you
know
taking
that
conservative
approach,
or
can
we
wait
and
see
if
we're
going
to
get
the
federal
aid
act.
D
You
actually
answered
the
question,
really
we're
rating
with
very
bated
breath
right
now
to
see
what
happens
in
Washington
if
the
package
that
I
think
is
both
being
voted
on
this
Friday
in
the
house,
if
that
actually
comes
to
some
sort
of
fruition,
I
think
we
might
be
able
to
to
forestall
a
fair
amount
of
draconian
measures
that
we
might
otherwise
have
to
take.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
you
know
we
don't
see
indications
of
that
in
the
very
near
future
and
it's
a
different
story.
Okay,.
R
D
The
rates
have
kind
of
been
all
over
the
place
and
that's
part
of
the
problem
and
all
the
municipalities
in
the
country
have
been
downgraded
on
their
on
their
outlook
to
negative,
so
the
the
borrowing
is
not
necessarily
as
cost-effective
as
you
might
think.
That
being
said,
we're
we
have
been
in
discussions
with
our
advisors
on
it.
The
issue
we
have
right
now
is
that
our
short-term
options
are
essentially
fairly
limited
revenue,
anticipation
notes,
which
are
very
short.
D
We
probably
wouldn't
use
tax
anticipation,
notes,
which
would
essentially
be
you
know,
borrowing
off
the
tax
property
tax
and
from
next
January
and
those
you
can.
You
can
put
those
out
for
as
long
up
to
a
year,
there's
deficiency
notes
which
were
almost
never
used
by
municipalities
and
we're
all
going
through
the
X's
and
O's
of
that
right
now
to
see
if
we
can,
if
we
can
do
that,
those
have
a
little
bit
of
a
longer
term.
D
There
is.
There
is
an
effort.
There's
a
couple
efforts,
also
going
on
out
of
Washington.
One
is
to
essentially
allow
the
states
to
become
the
states.
What
would
be
a
bill
to
borrow
in
ways
that
they're
not
usually
able
to
borrow
and
take
that
giant
chunk
of
money
and
then
essentially
buy
at
the
debt
of
municipalities
at
the
local
level?
D
If
we
were
to
issue
short-term
debt
like
that,
so
instead
of
going
that's
the
open
market
and
selling
Iran
or
at
an
you
know,
JP
Morgan,
or
something
like
that,
the
state
would
buy
it
at
a
very
low
interest
rate
for
us
and
that's
rwa
to
get
through
it.
The
other
thing
is
extending
the
the
the
life
of
the
rands
tans
and
deficient
Supino's,
either
through
our
ability
in
New,
York
State
or
at
the
federal
level,
where
the
payback
period
is
now
five
years
or
longer.
D
And
frankly,
you
know,
given
you
know,
and
all
this
pipe
dreamers
not,
but
you
know
we're
giving
out
money
to
the
PPP,
those
big
chunks
of
money
that
are,
you
know,
conceivably
be
forgivable
loans,
that's
something
that
really
should
happen,
but
I
will
say
right
now:
yes,
we're
keeping
an
eye
on
that
and
keeping
ourselves
prepared
or
keep
going,
but
the
options
are
not
terrific.
On
that
side,
I'm
borrowing
side
are.
R
D
That's
more
helpful
for
the
state
they're,
you
know.
No,
we
don't.
We
don't
really
directly
rely
on
income
tax
revenue
having
the
income
tax
revenue
come
in
in
a
good
fashion
is
what
ends
up,
allowing
them
to
I.
Think
more
clearly
say
whether
or
not
they
can
fully
fund
us
for
aim
or
for
capital,
city
funding
and
those
other
obligations
to
localities.
But
I
don't
know
that
the
the
July
now
tax
date
is
going
to
have
a
huge
effect
one
way
or
the
other
it's
more
than
normal
course
of
business
by
frankly,
thank.
B
You
so
I
next,
so
just
and
and
I
would
also
ask,
because
this
is
just
the
first
slide.
There
are
other
slides,
so
just
remember
that
we
need
to
kind
of
so
I
have
Richard
Russo,
Alfredo
and
Judy.
If
anybody
I'll
keep
those
order
of
names,
but
if
we
could
possibly
move.
If
your
question
does
not
have
to
do
with
this,
could
we
maybe
keep
going
because
I
would
love
to
get
through
the
presentation
and
then
really
focus
on
questions,
and
does
that
yeah?
Does
that
make
sense
to
people?
So
can
we
I'm.
B
I'll
keep
that
that
order
of
you
know
in
that
order,
but
if
we
could
just
get
through
the
presentation,
so
maybe
write
your
questions
down.
If
there's
so
I
understand
some
tents
or
something
you
need
like
a
clarification
point,
but
on
the
larger
questions,
let's
let
them
get
through
the
presentation.
Then
let's
ask
the
questions.
Jimmy.
F
M
J
M
D
M
Another
quick
one
on
the
sales
tax
collections.
We
could
have
a
19%
reduction
just
the
other
day.
The
state
comptroller
came
out
with
a
report
that
indicated
April
collections,
which
would
have
been
the
first
full
month
during
the
pandemic
or
the
the
closed-down
were
off
significantly
more
than
that,
and
for
that
that's
a
high-impact
month.
I
assume
and
they'll
change
does
that
in
any
way
color
your
projections
of
sales
tax
reductions,
which
right
now
have
at
19%.
H
Q
Eris
I
can
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
Richard.
The
reason
why
that
would
we
read
there
really
is
a
25%
reduction
built
into
the
remainder
of
the
year,
but
the
first,
the
first
quarter,
sales
tax
was
significantly
higher
than
it
was
last
year.
Well,
not
400,000,
so
when
you
weigh
them
together,
it
comes
to
19.
But
this
does
this
the
remainder
of
the
year
we're
assuming
a
25%
reduction
in
sales
tax,
okay,.
O
O
O
This
is
just
so,
you
know
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
other
slide,
so
we
so
again
the
17.9
is
the
problem.
We
have
a
seventeen
point:
nine
million
dollar
revenue
reduction,
that's
projected
as
a
result
of
the
economic
downturn
and
with
that
we've
begun
to
take
a
very,
very
deliberate
and
cautious
approach
as
to
how
we
begin
to
fill
the
gap.
O
So
this
slide
shows
you
that
the
first
two
I
the
first
two
options,
the
first
two
components
of
filling
this
gap
are
a
3.5
million
dollar
debt
reserve
payment
and
a
4.5
million
dollar
fund
balance
payment.
I
should
say
an
allocation
using
that
money
to
offset
potential
service
cuts
and
layoffs.
Because
again
we
the
entire
this
entire
time
we
have
been
focused
on
coming
up
with
scenarios
that
are
going
to
have
the
least
impact
on
our
employees,
the
least
impact
on
our
residents
and
really
make
sure
that
we
are
you're
identifying
additional
ways
to
fill.
O
Fill
these
buckets
before
we
we
have
to
get
to
the
the
real
real,
dire
and
difficult
decision.
So
again,
this
the
three
point:
five
and
the
four
point
five
are-
are
what
we're
building
in
on
on
the
top.
The
remaining
nine
point:
nine
is
the
we're
calling
it
the
budget
cuts,
but
this
is
the
the
amount
of
money
where
we
are
constantly
running
different
scenarios
to
determine
how
we
can
fill
this
gap
and
again
not
again
impact
the
least
amount
of
people
possible.
We
have
looked
at
every
department,
we've
looked
at
every
operation.
O
We
we
know
that
the
nine
point
nine
million
is
going
to
result
in
potential
cuts
to
entire
operations.
It's
going
to
result
in
potential
layoffs
to
a
number
of
number
of
individuals,
but
we
are
still
going
through
the
process
of
determining
the
least
impactful
scenario
that
gets
us.
The
remaining
nine
point:
nine
million
without
unnecessarily
offsetting,
either
our
employees
or
a
residents.
So
that's!
This
is
where
we
are
at
the
moment,
the
the
we've
we've
been
working
with
a
number
of
different
organizations
such
as
the
New
York
State
Department
of
Labor.
O
We
were
in
talks
about
a
potential
job
sharing
program
that
may
be
able
to
offer
some
some
layoffs
and
impacts
to
our
employees.
We've
been
looking
at
different
grant,
funded
positions
and
and
identifying
potential
opportunities
where
we
can
slide
current
employees
into
our
grant
funded
of
Aitkin
C's.
So
that
way
we
can
again
keep
them
on
on
the
payroll
and
not
lay
them
off,
but
still
be
able
to
save
the
money
from
from
the
total
budget.
So
this
is,
this
is
really
where
we
are
right
now
is
is
figuring
out
what
the
remaining
nine
point.
B
O
B
G
D
B
A
council
have
prepared
for
this
and
we
would
have
loved
to
prepare
with
the
information,
but
it
is
I
just
it's
very
frustrating
to
have
something
changed
made
without
even
the
courtesy
of
saying
by
the
way
were
unable
to
do
it.
We
are
reasonable
people
and
we're
willing
to
work
with
people
when
we're
given
information.
When
we're
not
given
information,
it's
a
very
frustrating
exercise.
I.
O
Understand
your
frustration,
Jenny
I
think
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
Mike
and
really
Darius
too.
We've
been
at
this
for
days
on
end
running
different
scenarios.
Day
after
day
after
day,
the
situation
continues
to
change
daily.
It
changed.
It
continues
to
change
up
to
the
hour
and
we
are
not
going
to
unnecessarily
scare
our
employees
or
our
residents
by
jumping
to
a
scenario
where
we
may
impact
people
and
and
then
have
to
reverse
course
and
and
and
and
not
impact
them.
O
There's
no
reason
to
scare
our
employees
if
we
don't
need
to
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
we
get
to
the
the
lowest
number
possible
of
layoffs
and
impacts
to
our
employees.
Only
late
this
afternoon
we
got
confirmation
from
a
CDA
that
some
of
these
grant
funded
positions
are
going
to
be
able
to
take
on
some
of
the
employees
that
that
may
have
been
subject
to
layoffs.
O
So
again,
I
understand
your
frustration
and
we're
committed
to
doing
to
having
a
transparent
and
honest
conversation
about
where
we
will
have
to
account
for
service
cuts
to
our
residents
and/or
and
to
our
employees.
But
we
are
not
going
to
jump
into
a
discussion
about
individuals
or
operations
unnecessarily
when
we're
not
a
hundred
percent
certain
that
we
need
to
impact
them.
So
I
do.
B
Understand
that
and
I
respect
that
and
I
believe
everyone
on
this
council
agrees
with
that.
I
fully
appreciate,
I'm,
aware
of
how
mike
has
been
working
and
how
much
the
budget
office
has
been
working,
trying
to
do
like
a
Rubik's
Cube
of
filling
things
in,
however,
I
feel
like
and
I
know
we're
in
a
public
meeting.
Everybody
on
Facebook
is
watching
right
now.
O
B
Really
curious
exactly
what
is
the
timeline,
because
this
is
not
a
transparent
process.
We
were
given
I
mean
as
a
council
when
we're
looking
at
our
own
budget.
I,
don't
know
how
I'm
supposed
to
make
those
decisions
in
a
vacuum
and
that's
what
you're
asking
us
to
do
and
I
find
that
completely
unacceptable.
We're.
O
Again
they
were.
We
were
asking
the
council
and
departments
to
make
recommendations
based
on
a
scenario
where
we
are
continuously
evaluating.
The
scenario
has
changed
three
times
since
we
last
had
a
conversation
and
we're
not
going
to
rush
the
process,
because
the
council
has
scheduled
a
Finance
Committee
meeting
on
a
Thursday
evening
and
that's
going
to
be
the
time
where
we're
going
to
announce
when
we
might
have
to
make
them.
B
O
Funded
position
sorry
go
ahead.
What
time
was
that
we
not
even
an
hour
and
a
half
ago,
okay,
to
be
clear
to
be
clear
on
Monday,
when
we
had
our
council
leadership
meeting
I
made
it
very
clear
to
the
entire
council
leadership
that
this
conversation
would
likely
involve
us
not
having
set
scenarios,
because
the
scenarios
keep
changing
absolutely.
B
So
but
we
were
also
supposed
to
have
a
healthier
you
be
able
to
have
a
healthier
discussion.
The
other
piece
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
wanted
Mike
here
was
to
actually
walk
us
through
the
different
pieces,
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
as
a
council,
we
need
to
be
part
of
this.
We
have
to
actually
look
at
this.
That's
a
job
of
the
Finance
Committee.
We
have
to
be
able
to
dig
in,
and
the
other
thing
is
I,
don't
know
I
mean.
Maybe
junior
can
help
with
this.
B
L
B
O
O
P
It
makes
sense
to
not
prepare
them
and
then
spring
it
on
them
at
the
last
minute,
but
we're
talking
about
open
and
honest
conversation
again,
we
all
own
this-
we
all
own
this
and
we
all
would
rather
not
be
here,
but
these
conversations
we
need
to
have
it
really
as
as
our
function
as
a
council,
we
need
we
need
to
know
these
things.
We
need
to
discuss
to
discuss
and
be
able
to
talk
through
this
through
this
stuff.
What
people
people
can
take
the
truth.
B
I
understand
I,
don't
want
to
scare
people
either,
but
I
also
I
have
you
have
to
understand.
The
people
in
this
city
are
also
scared.
The
people
in
the
city
also
want
to
know
what's
happening
so
and
if
we
you
need
council
action,
we
need
information
and
I
also
just
as
a
courtesy,
if
there's
a
different
plan
for
a
committee
meeting,
even
if
it's
a
half
an
hour
before,
let
the
person
know
it's
just
courtesy
and
we
do
have
questions
was
so
I
believe
you
were
up
next
yeah.
F
O
O
F
F
Reserve
my
remaining
my
questions.
I
was
expecting
more
from
this,
but
again
I
understand
where
demonstration
is
coming
from,
as
it
relates
to
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
as
well.
There's
some
federal
and
state
levels,
but
the
only
thing
our
axe
is
that
you
know
try
to
keep
us
involved
as
best
as
you
can,
but
yeah.
J
D
4,
it
depends
on
a
lot
of
things
and
it's
it's
really
not
something
you
can
think
of,
and
quite
that
those
kind
of
black
and
white
terms,
because
of
when
revenues
come
in,
which
revenues
come
in.
How
much
of
those
revenues
come
in?
How
much
they
don't
budgetarily
I
would
say
you
know
you've.
Theoretically,
the
rest
of
the
fund
balance
would
be
there
to
be
to
be
utilized.
D
D
Had
about
nine
million
or
so
right
now,
which
is
which
is
you
know,
I
thought
at
this
point?
I,
don't
know.
Fiscal
stress
really
means
much
of
anything
anymore
since
everybody's
under
for
the
physicals
progressed,
but
it's
still
under
where
were
severe
were
you
know,
essentially
supposed
to
be
based
on
a
New.
J
I
Hey,
thank
you
for
being
a
chair.
Jenni
I
appreciate
your
frustration
with
this
and
I.
Think
I've
made
it
clear
that
I
have
shared
similar
frustrations
in
the
past
and
I
certainly
share
your
frustration
currently
at
us,
holding
this
meeting
and
and
essentially
being
shut
out
of
the
discussion
for
this.
A
first
question
that
I
have
is
how
much
of
exactly
how
much
in
income
rental
income?
I
H
I
I
The
breakdown
for
oil
other
income
would
be
beneficial
as
well
free
to
ask
my
question
that
the
fund
balance
I
do
want
to
note
that
this
the
city
charter
does
require
council
approval
of
transfers,
of
budgeted
funds
that
exceed
four
percent
of
the
total
annual
city
budget
in
any
given
year.
So
the
numbers
you've
put
up
here,
look
like
a
potential
of
about
ten
percent
of
the
budget,
so
I
would
think
that
you
are
talking
about
the
potential
of
exceeding
that
four
percent
amount,
at
least
at
some
point
and
I.
C
I
D
If
I
may
sure
this
is
Darius,
I
think
you're
a
hundred
percent
accurate
on
the
debt
service
and
on
fund
balance,
progra
reappropriation.
If
that
comes
to
pass
I,
don't
know,
and
you
should
take
a
look
at
whether
or
not
the
council
has
to
pass
anything.
If,
if
budgets
just
don't
know
if
expenditures
don't
meet,
what
they're
budgeted
for
I
think
that's
what
that's,
what
I
think
would
need
to
be
taking
a
look
at
from
a
charter
standpoint.
B
B
L
B
L
L
Talks
about
perhaps
some
pay
cuts,
but
I,
don't
think
pay
cuts
are
things
that
go
totally
across
the
board.
I
think
they
should
be
more
targeted
to
the
people
at
the
higher
end
of
things,
and
we
are
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
certain
offices
within
the
city
got
significant
pay
increases
over
the
last
two
years
when
everybody
else
got
1%
or
some
union
contracts
slightly
more
than
1%,
so
to
say
that.
L
Well,
we
can't
make
anything
public
now
because
we're
gonna
scare
people
who
might
be
completely
laid
off
usually
at
the
lower
end
of
things,
I
think
we
should
maybe
have
a
candid
discussion
about
some
pay
cuts
at
the
higher
end
of
things
and
I
would
talk
about.
You
know
you
know
who
I'm
talking
about.
Obviously,
those
that
are
ABBA
above
a
certain
level
of
pay,
particularly
those
people
that
got
some
get,
that
got
significant
pay
increases
in
the
2019
and
2020
budget.
So
I
think
that's
something
which
should
be.
O
O
We
got
new
information
this
afternoon
where
we
can
potentially
stave
off
layoffs.
So
again,
we're
part
of
being
transparent
and
open
is
giving
the
complete
picture.
Giving
a
piecemeal
approach.
I
think
works
counter
to
being
transparent.
If
I
give
you
one
component
of
something
and
and
say
well,
here's
one
department,
but
the
rest
of
the
apartments
we
don't
know
about
I,
don't
mean.
O
B
O
B
A
B
And
and
like
keeping
people
unknown
about
their
job
situation
is
also
really
terrifying.
So
again,
having
lived
through
horrible
budgets,
there's
no
good
to
it.
It
is
difficult,
it's
a
ton
of
work
and
nobody
is
happy.
It's
hard
and
I
understand
that,
but
I've
also
having
lived
through
horrible
budgets.
There
are
a
lot
worse
if
you
hold
back
information
for
too
long
and
if.
L
But
I
think
it
would
be
a
lot
more
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
it
would
be
well-received
by
the
bulk
of
the
employees
of
the
city
if
they
know
that
the
pain
is
being
shared
and
those
who
are
more
able
to
diminish
their
pay
are
those
that
are
willing
to
do
it
and
I
would
love
to
hear
that
I,
don't
okay,
that's
it
permission.
Yeah
yeah
sure
respond.
So.
O
O
L
O
I
think
the
one
thing
we
mentioned
during
our
council
leadership
meeting
on
Monday
was
that
where
we
are
taking
up
for
an
approach
where
we
are
evaluating
function,
we
are
evaluating
the
services
that
may
be
impacted
and
the
functions
of
the
employees
who
perform
those
who
execute
and
provide
those
services
to
city
employees.
So
again,
that's
that's.
How
we're
that's
how
we're
looking
at
this?
It's
it
is
not
to.
This
is
not
to
hide
truly,
not
to
hide
anything
I
think
we
all
truly
wish.
B
H
H
O
F
P
O
M
M
O
O
B
O
Again,
we're
asking
each
department-
and
they,
the
the
council,
included
to
look
at
the
function.
First,
we're
doing
this
based
on
on
function,
we're
doing
this
based
on
what
services
may
need
to
be
cut
looking
at
if
services
need
to
be
cut,
what
employees
execute
on
those
phone
those
services
and
provide
those
services.
This
is
this
is
we're
we're
not
we're
not
opening
up
the
budget
book
and
looking
at
pay
pay
rates
and
saying
you
know
sorting
them
in
a
certain
order.
This
is
all
this
is
based
on
function.
I
will.
B
G
Thank
you
so
much
for
yielding
it
right
away.
I
appreciate
it
III
to
him
I'm,
taken
aback
by
the
lack
of
information,
that's
being
provided
at
this
meeting.
I
think
we
keep
mentioning
that
you
don't
mean
their
city
employees,
but
there
are
also
our
constituents
and
we
have
a
responsibility
to
our
constituents
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
them
with
the
most
information
possible
and
being
transparent
with
them,
because
at
the
end
of
day,
transparency
doesn't
build
trust
and
the
greatest
fear
right
now
is
fear
of
the
unknown.
O
D
I'm
not
I'm,
not
aware
that
it
does
anything
of
that.
At
this
point,
myself
I
believe
that
the
port
has
paid
some
of
their
pilot
and
my
system,
for
whatever
reason,
is
just
going
down
here
in
City
Hall,
so
I
can't
look
up
if
anybody
else
has
but
but
we
we
would
you
know
those
are.
Those
are
revenues
that
we
would,
and
we
have
in
the
past
had
to
make
point
it
asks
for
during
the
course
of
the
year.
G
O
Again,
I
want
to
stress
its
function
based.
This
is
evaluating
function
and
service
cuts.
It's
we're,
not
we
I
think
would
be
unconstitutional,
probably
I
shouldn't
well,
I
am
an
attorney,
but
I'm,
not
gonna,
give
a
free
legal
advice.
I
think
would
be
unconstitutional
if
we
looked
at
things
on
the
basis
of
sex
or
a
search
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
but
we're
we're
looking
at
this
based
on
function.
We're
looking
at
this
based
on
what
service
impacts
there
might
be
to
our
residents
and
then
what
functions
relate
to
those
services.
O
O
But
the
the
crux
of
this
is
is
that
we
think
we
can
save
more
jobs
based
on
the
information
we
obtain
late
this
afternoon,
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
giving
this
role
out
that
it's
the
most
accurate
complete
information,
because
what
we
don't
want
to
create
a
scenario
where
we
leave
a
department
out
or
we
leave
several
departments
out
and
then
those
employees
are
are
now
the
microscope
was
on
on
them.
And
it's-
and
it's
just
makes
it
even
worse.
O
So
again,
that's
I,
understand,
there's
frustration
that
there
isn't
more
information
this
evening
and
we
are
and
I
know
the
mayor's
made
this
commitment
to
the
leadership
and
stressing
it
again.
We
are
willing
and
and
ready
to
be
transparent
and
open
about
this
process
with
both
our
employees,
residents
and
the
council.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
creating
the
least
amount
of
undue
added
stress
at
an
extremely
stressful
time
and.
G
O
So
maybe
I
misunderstood
your
question
and
I
apologize
if
I
did,
we
certainly
can
look
at
that.
You
know
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
know
what
impacts
there
will
be
to
to
personnel,
but
we're
not
we're
not
leaving
an
active
tally
as
we
go.
Is
this
it's
truly
just
through
a
function
lens
right
now?
Thank
you.
So
much
you're
welcome
a.
J
You
know
would
move
a
heavy
heart.
I
understand
that
and
I
understand.
That
function
is
critical
and
that
should
be
one
of
the
lenses
left
two
eyes
and
two
lenses.
We
can
use
and
also
look
at
fairness
as
another
lens,
the
the
burden
isn't
on
certain
income
groups.
I
want
to
echo
various
statement
about
taking
a
cutting
I
think
it
should
be
shared.
The
burden
should
be
shared
by
all
levels
of
our
city
government
and
of
our
city
staff.
J
Those
who
are
even
more
should
be
willing
to
be
able
to
give
more.
Now
elected
officials,
like
damn
you
said,
should
also
be
willing
to
give
its
Tashard
burden
and
a
fourth
on
all
of
us
for
them
all
of
us.
It's
not
just
you
know
the
mayor's
office
and
the
administration,
and
you
know,
or
Mike
or
Darius.
It's
all
of
us
were
all
in
this
together.
So
you
know
we
should
always
show
the
burden.
Yes,
this
situation
and
get
us
to
it
stronger,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
want
to
ask
that.
J
Ask
you
looking
at
these
difficult
decisions.
Did
you
can
also
make
sure
that's
fair
for
everyone?
That's
in
our
city
that
our
work
is
that
may
not
make
a
lot
or
may
also
feel
they
are
safe
and
they're,
not
disposable
and
I,
know
and
I
understand
why
you
want
to
be
very
cautious
about
giving
out
any
information.
Well,
I
agree
with
it
or
not.
J
J
So
if
we're
gonna
be
holding
off
on
making
any
decisions,
we
should
still
be
looking
under
50
people,
class
and
I
say
that,
because
if
you
have
50
men
and
women
taught
in
that
class,
yo
most
likely
not
gonna
get
50
to
graduate
most
likely
gonna
get
40
or
45.
When
a
good
you
graduate
and
then,
if
you
get
it
was
45
once
they
actually
hit
the
street,
you
might
have
two
or
four
transferred
else
for
now.
You
want
from
50
to
let's
say
40
a
key
working
for
us
in
that
same
period
of
time.
J
J
If
you
start
with
a
class
of
50
by
time,
those
fully
officers
are
fully
on
our
streets,
you're
still
down
and
I
know
without
50
officers
now,
but
you'll
still
be
down
six
months
from
now
officers,
even
with
a
class
of
fifty
there's
been
some
conversation
about
having
the
class
be
smaller
than
50.
Those
hoping
you
can
give
us
some
information
on
that
I.
O
O
The
entire
administration
as
a
whole.
In
this
filling
this
nine
point,
nine
million
dollar
gap
I
want
to
reiterate
every
every
department
will
be
impacted.
Should
we
have
to
move
forward
with
these
cuts.
So
III
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
no
no
department,
every
every.
No
just
repeat
it
again:
every
department
will
be
impacted
by
cuts
should
we
have
to
move
forward.
O
J
My
hope
concern
is
to
put
a
police
officer
on
the
streets
fully
trained
this
month
lag
time.
So
if
we
cut
the
class,
you
know
that
we
were
looking
at
it.
We
cut
that
dramatically.
We
can't
get
Tran
is
twich.
You
know
two
months
from
now.
If
we
get
the
funding
and
also
two
awesome
decisions
that
we
need
to
make
now
that
you
know
we
want,
we
need
to
have
some
clarity
on
understood.
O
H
N
Quickly,
first
I
just
want
to
thank
Dave
you
and
the
other
staff
members
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
making
these
really
really
difficult
decisions
and
dealing
with
the
back-and-forth
of
this.
Not
knowing
exactly
what's
going
to
happen.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
then
I
just
want
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
people
are
saying
here.
N
Absolutely
you've
got
if
you
want
to
focus
on
function
and
providing
essential
services.
I
totally
understand
that.
But
the
idea
of
shared
sacrifice
is
really
important.
I
think
to
every
council
member
and
to
I
know.
The
mayor
often
refers
to
employees
as
a
family,
and
that
idea
of
shared
sacrifice
is
extremely
important.
N
F
O
O
Their
phones
ringing
gather
in
boxes
filled
with
letters
from
not
only
our
residents
but
also
our
employees,
letting
them
know
that
our
employees
have
been
out
on
the
front
lines
for
the
last
two
months,
whether
it's
responding
to
fires,
responding
to
emergencies,
working
as
dispatchers,
picking
up
garbage
filling
potholes,
responding
to
demo
emergency
demolitions.
The
list
goes
on
and
on-
and
you
know
the
DI
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
saw
the
video
from
dgs
earlier
this
morning
that
we
shared.
O
But
you
know
our
essential
workers
have
stepped
up
and
now
it's
time
that
Washington
steps
up
for
them
and
I
think
that
the
the
way
that
the
council
can
help
right
now
is
by
reiterating
to
your
constituents
to
call
Mitch,
McConnell
and
call
President
Trump
over
and
over
and
over
again,
to
help
get
the
heroes
Act
passed.
Because
if
the.
B
We
mentioned
in
leadership,
possibly
if
you
could
share
that
information
to
us,
so
we
could
share
it
out.
So
if
you
could
share
that
with
Michele
that'd
be
great
I
know
it's
difficult
to
get
senators
information.
If
you
are
not
a
constituent
so
sharing
that
information
with
us
would
be
helpful.
Yeah.
O
B
I
O
I
O
It's
been
reported
that
there's
hundreds
of
billions
of
dollars
for
state
and
local
governments
and
what
we're
hearing
from
our
our
delegation
is
that
it
would
we
there
there's
a
potential
that
you
know
again
the
bill
started
it's
a
negotiation,
but
the
the
heroes
act
allocates
were
significantly
more
than
that.
But
again
we
got
to
wait
and
see
it's
really.
D
I
D
L
I
O
9.99
and
and
hopefully
then
some
I
mean
really
were
shooting
for
seventeen
point.
Nine.
We
don't
want
to
use
our
debt
reserve,
we
don't
want
to
use
part
of
our
fund.
Balance.
You've
worked
very
very
hard
to
streamline
services,
to
reduce
expenses,
to
hold
the
line
on
taxes
and
to
build
that
fund
balance
up.
That
was
pretty
much
at
zero
when
the
mayor
first
came
into
office
and-
and
this
would
put
a
huge
dent
in
that
work-
that's
occurred
over
the
last
seven
years,
so
we
obviously
don't
want
to
use
it
and
you'll
notice.
O
I
B
I
So
so
you
know
so
some
information
was
shared
with
us
in
executive
session.
So
without
putting
a
number
on
it,
we
were
given
the
number
as
a
as
a
target,
and
so
that
sounds
a
little
bit
different
than
looking
at
functions.
I'm
wondering
how
that
number
was
arrived
at
and
whether
every
department
was
also
given
a
dollar
amount
as
a
target
to
reach.
Is
that
part
of
what
is
going
on
in
this
process?.
O
Q
Essentially,
how
this
is
rolling
out
is,
and
not
you
know,
and
I,
do
want
to
apologize
that
you.
You
know
we
thought
we
would
have
something
a
more
together
today.
Then
then,
what
we
do
and
and
David
spoke
to
some
changing
parts
and
some
issues
that
we
just
want
to
clear
up
before
we
throw
something
major
out
here,
but
essentially
the
majority
of
the
cuts
are
through
what
they
was
talking
about
as
through
functions
and
understanding
the
functions.
Q
Q
An
achieving
challenging
number
would
be
that
could
get
us
to
where
we
need
to
finish
the
remaining
whole
and
alongside
that
is
also
some
of
the
personnel
say,
savings
that
we're
gonna
be
a
part
of
that.
So,
and
you
know
the
City
Hall
departments
and
planning
what
you
were
sent
is
really
the
the
piece
your
department
needs
to
satisfy
this
last
this
last
piece
of
what
we
need
to
fill
the
gap
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
are.
Q
You
know
if
you
look
on
I,
think
it's
the
second
or
third
tab
where
you
see
where
these
are
thirds
have,
where
you
see
them.
What
I've
looked
at
was
in
New
York
within
your
your
budgets
is
just
to
think
that
you
could.
You
can
meet
those
expectations,
but
with
the
rest
of
it
you
know,
that's
if
you
think,
and
the
key
is
for
you,
for
the
departments
to
look
at
that
and
to
see
did
I
miss
something
or
do
you
feel
you
could
do
something
more.
That's
what
it
was.
Q
The
number
that
you
need
to
is
the
already
what
I've
taken
out,
but
you
can
certainly
increase
that
also
what
we're
finding
out
this
is
also
the
area
where
a
lot
of
department
heads
do
want
to
do
that,
sacrificing
to
keep
people
on
so
we're
seeing
a
lot.
Some
of
that
come
back,
so
we
were
hoping
that
this
exercise
would
have
let
it
to
the
closing
of
the
gap
for
today's
conversation
to
really
take
it
to
the
next
level.
But
it
turns
out
that
there
were
many.
Q
What
you
received
from
us
was
sent
essentially
pacy
a
piece
based
on
the
percentage
of
your
contribution
to
the
total
budget
of
those
remaining
of
those
of
those
remaining
departments,
and
what
everyone
share
needs
to
be
to
get
us
to
that
final
closing
gap.
So
we
are
very
close
and
we
do
have
things
in
place
and
are
many
things
that
you
talked
about.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
established
and
we
just
have
sense,
there's
just
some
things
at
the
end.
Q
That
could
really
change
what
happens
for
the
people
for
people
and
we
just
didn't
feel
comfortable
with
it's
almost
like
it'd
be
difficult
to
show
you
some
and
not
show
you
all,
because
it
really
is
a
complete
picture
and
I
do
apologize
for
for
not
letting
you
know
ahead
of
time.
For
me,
I
was
just
really
thinking
that
we
haven't
really
talked
at
this
point
yet,
and
you
know
I
figured.
Q
I
Just
a
little
unclear
I
feel
like
the
Common.
Council
serves
a
function
and
our
staff
serves
a
function
and
the
City
Clerk's
office
serves
a
function
I'm,
not
sure
why
I
mean
maybe
it's
true
for
some
of
the
people
living
other
people
within
City
Hall
who
don't
and
serve
functions
in
way.
So
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
understand
yeah.
If.
D
I,
could
you
know
a
question
for
me
and
my
office
would
be
along
this
along
the
function
side.
Maybe
this
will
clarify,
is
you
know,
do
we
move
more
towards
online
presence,
and
so
we
don't
need
as
many
people
at
the
front
desks
in
my
offices,
you
know
is
that
a
function
that
can
be
trimmed
back
and
the
stand,
therefore,
is
that
person
an
FTE
that
could
be
that
could
be
trimmed
back.
So
it's
part
of
the
functional
side
of
the
equation
and.
D
I
D
D
D
To
meet
this
scenario,
and
if
it's
the
scenario
from
my
office,
it's
going
to
change
as
a
result
of
you
know
the
addition
of
the
22
positions
that
were
not
that
are
now
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
cut.
They're
not
going
to
have
to
be
cut.
That
has
a
downstream
effect
and
everything
else,
and
so
now
the
number
in
my
office
may
not
need
to
be
cut
as
much
and.
J
I
N
I
My
question
is:
how
was
that
latter
figure
arrived
at
in
terms
of
like?
Is
there
some
uniform
percentage
that
is
being
applied?
That
is
a
target
for
for
all
departments
for
right.
You
know
I,
so
I,
don't
that
that's
is
their
uniform
percentage,
then
that
is
being
applied
for
a
target.
The
people
are
being
asked
initially
to
be
more
that,
and
you
know
it's-
that
equitable.
Q
It's
the
would
the
way
that
we're
looking
at
it
it's
a
bit
of
a
combination
of
both
primarily
it's
being
done
through
function
at
the
smaller
departments,
it's
being
done
as
not
necessarily
across-the-board
cut,
but
where
there's
opportunity
and
I
guess
I'm.
Sorry
I
wasn't
clear
about
this
was
kind
of
like
phase
one
of
the
process,
and
then
the
expectation
was
that
the
apartments
would
come
back
and,
like
Darius
said.
Let
us
know
what
you
know,
what
functions
are
impacted
or
or
what
can't
be
why
this
we?
Q
They
can't
achieve
it,
because
if
they
don't
do
this
function,
that
won't
happen
and
then
we'd
have
to.
We
could
recalculate
and
look
look
at
that.
So
it's
really.
It
was
a
first
wave
to
be
designed
to
really
come
up
with
what
functions
in
these
departments.
Do
we
have
to
look
at
deeper
and
really
shift
some
of
these
dollars
around
it
was.
Q
This
was
not
meant
to
be
the
final
exercise
in
this
process,
which
is
why
we're
a
bit
delayed
and
our
overall
process,
as
well
as
finding
out
other
sources
of
funding
and
also
looking
at
know
what
the
job
sharing
and
maybe
some
other
alternatives
to
layoffs.
So
we
just
were
pushed
back
further
than
we
thought,
but
really
this
was
kind
of
meant
to
look
at
your
department,
not
cut
and
slashed
somebody,
but
be
like
well.
Q
Q
No
we're
not
asking
for
like
a
we
want
at
8%
cut
across
the
board.
It
comes
out
to
what
comes
out
to
this
is
this
is
just
a
starter
of
you
know.
What
can
you
do
what
you
know,
what
it's
it's
established
as
a
percentage
of
what
your
responsible
use
to
to
a
total
bucket,
but
it's
not
meant
to
be.
We
want
8%
9%
out
of
you
and
that's
it
it's
about
here's.
What
I've
already
seen
some
opportunity.
Q
You
know
and
here's
where
your
Romanian
dollars
are,
but
we
also
need
to
know
you
know
what
functions
are
impacted,
what
you
can
or
what
alternatives
you
may
have
to
being
able
to
do
that
in
in
a
different
way,
and
then
we
just
kind
of
will
pull
it
all
together
and
see
really
how
how
it
all
plays
out.
So
that's
really.
B
H
I
have
a
concern
that
we're
meeting
on
the
20th
and
I
know
what's
going
to
be
brought
up,
you
read
about
in
the
papers
was
connection
he's
doing
one
of
lates
doing
we're
gonna
hear
about
being
down.
50
cops,
we're
gonna,
hear
about
six
fires
in
three
days
last
week
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we're
gonna
answer
those
I.
H
Know
if
we
should
be
holding
the
meeting
on
that
right
now,
I
mean
we
can
say
well.
They're
looking
at
function
well,
there's
functions
that
have
to
continue
and
there's
no
doubt
about
it
and
I
think
in
anybody's
mind
and
that's
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
the
public
has
and
to
go
through
a
meeting
similar
to
this,
with
no
information
for
us
to
give
out
and
it's
our
meaning
where
you
people
won't
be
available.
I,
just
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
feel
comfortable
with
it.
S
S
F
P
P
J
H
H
O
O
S
N
S
S
S
O
L
O
Be
so
we
would,
we
would
make
the
argument
that
the
reason
the
Golf
Course
is
closed
is
because
of
kovat,
because
we
divided
our
general
services
staff
into
thirds
and
have
the
amount
of
rotation
where
we're
we're
isolating
them
on
a
two-week
basis
to
protect
them
from
from
potentially
being
exposed
to
Cove
it.
That's
why
the
Golf
Course
is
closed.
We
needed
those
employees
to
be
part
of
the
rotation
for
sanitation
and
recycling
and
street-sweeping.
So
we
would.
We
would
make
the
argument
that
Kovan
cause
the
golf
course
to
be
closed,
absent
covet.
O
S
O
It
we
would
we
would
put.
We
would
include
that,
as
part
of
the
17:9
estimate
that
we
would,
we
would
be
impacted
with
the
lost
revenue
that
would
be
included
in
that.
Yes,
we
would,
we
would
submit
for
that,
it's
unclear
what
the
process
will
be,
whether
it's
we
have
to
submit
for
whether
we
were
just
given
an
allocation.
But
if
we're
required
to
submit
for
it,
we
would
submit
the
golf
course
lost
revenue
as
part
of
that
calculation,
because
that's
how
we're
that.
B
R
Thank
you,
I
was
wondering
about.
Every
year
we
asked
the
state
for
the
12.5
million.
Do
we
have
contingency
plans
those
years
if
we
didn't
get
the
money
where
we'd
have
to
do
the
cuts,
and
is
that
something
that
we're
looking
at
now,
because
now
we're
talking
about
it's,
not
exactly
12,
it's
a
more,
but
is
that
you
know
is
that
something
that
in
the
past
was
prepared
for-
and
my
second
question
is-
is
that
money
safe?
We
were
going
to
get
12
million
this
year?
Is
that
12
million
safe.
D
The
aunt
I
mean
as
far
as
the
12
million
we
don't
know,
I
feel
safer
about
the
1980,
especially
since
we
received
the
first
half
but
19.
A
think
would
forward
wait
right
square
into
that
category,
that
the
governor
is
talking
about
20%,
less
grants
essentially
grant
state
money
to
municipalities,
so
I
don't
know
as
far
as
as
far
as
scenarios,
this
we're
basically
going
through
the
scenario
right
now
that
we
would
have
on
the
back
burner
in
the
past,
for
you
know
kind
of
the
doomsday
scenario.
This
is
just
another
variation
of
it.
O
Yeah
and
then
that's
the
other
thing,
I
want
to
add
and
I
brought
this
up
with
leadership.
The
the
the
cuts
were
looking
at
right
now
could
be
much
much
worse
next
year.
So
just
please
keep
that
in
mind.
Also,
if
we
don't
get
the
federal
funding,
you
know
we're
really
only
trying
to
cut
half
a
year's
worth.
This
is
really
seven
months
worth,
so
it
for
lack
of
specific
math
next
year
could
be,
could
be
almost
twice
the
impact
you're
seeing
now,
if
not
worse,.
B
B
B
S
H
B
O
B
B
O
C
B
So
Michele
tomorrow
can
we
work
on
edging
a
meeting
as
soon
as
we're
able
to
finance
about
it
tomorrow,
I
and
I'm
sure
the
Finance
Committee
members
that
are
still
here
sure
people,
if
agree
with
that,
we
definitely
get
information,
sure
yeah,
and
we
also
understand
that
the
information
is
sensitive.
It
might
not
be
easy
to
give
us
the
information
with
a
huge
amount
of
time.
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I
personally
I
I
like
to
come
well
prepared,
so
I
really
like
information
well
ahead
of
time,
but
we
also
understand
this
is
more
sensitive
information,
but
please
try
to
give
us
at
least
some
time
so
that
we
are
able
to
go
through
it
and
be
prepared.
Also,
if
you
find
that
that
your
plan
changes
and
I
I
think
this
would
be
my
request
for
anything.
B
O
S
O
B
B
B
We're
also
understanding,
if
there's
only
part
of
the
information
that
you
can
give
us,
we
would
just
love
any
information
that
we
can
get
our
hands
on
and
I
personally
will
happily
back
you
up.
If
you
can
say
to
me,
I
can
give
you
this,
but
I
can't
give
you
anything
else:
hey.
We
just
want
information
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
this
in
a
transparent
and
equitable
manner.