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Description
The Committee interviewed a candidates for the City of Albany Board of Assessment (BAR). The Committee also reviewed Resolution 115.121.20R, Ordinance 37.102.20 As Amended through 39.102.20 As Amended, and Ordinance 42.112.20.
A
Hello,
everyone
welcome
to.
I
know
that
you
have
missed
the
finance
committee.
We
were
part
of
your
daily
life
for
quite
some
time
and
we're
back
don't
worry.
There
will
always
be
financial
things
for
the
city
of
albany
to
deal
with
so
right
now
we
do
not
yet
have
a
quorum,
which
is
fine,
we're
not
yet
voting
on
things.
I
we
are
joined
by
committee
member
mike
o'brien
and
council
members,
richard
conte
jack
flynn
and
tom
hoey.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
since
we
have
10
minutes
and
we
do
have
a
quorum-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
things
on
the
agenda
tonight
tom,
if
you're
willing
to
talk
about
your
ordinance,
I
think
it's
something
that
I
know
this
has
been
something
you've
been
anxious
to
have
moved
for
quite
some
time.
So
maybe
this
is
something
that
we
can
move
out
of
the
way
in
the
time
that
we
have.
If
not,
then
we
can
certainly
continue
discussion
after
the
interviews,
but
just
to
make
use
of
our
time.
B
This
piece
of
property
was
a
paper
street.
It
was
at
one
time
it
connected
beach
to
fountain
and
the
city.
I
want
to
say
about
20
years
ago,
sold
half
of
the
paper
street
on
the
fountain
avenue
side
to
the
person
that
was
living
next
door
there.
So
yuri
is
the
guy
that
I
know
that
you
know
he
he
wants
to
have
like
trees
and
he
likes
to
plant,
gardens
and
stuff
like
that
and
he'd
like
to
use
the
property.
B
A
D
B
F
B
C
H
C
I
A
A
A
A
The
streets
bonding
at
the
end
so
we'll
deal
with
the
the
wage
trans,
the
wage
increase,
transfer,
the
police
for
this
police
supervisors
association
and
then
just
the
discussion
of
the
debt
reserve.
Although
obviously
that's
not
something
that
we
can
officially
pass
through.
There
was
kind
of
a
mix
up
with
timing,
so
the
administration
would
like
us
to
be
past
that
before
the
end
of
the
year-
and
here
we
have
frank,
welcome
frank-
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
in
for
an
interview.
We
appreciate.
A
G
Sure,
well
I
put
this
in
my
cover
letter,
but
I've
sort
of
you
know.
I
I've
been
on
the
board
for
10
years
I've
been
elected,
chair
person
for
the
last
nine.
I
really
like
the
job.
I
think
I'm
good
at
it.
I
have
a
lot
of
background
with
tax
things.
I
worked
for
the
state
tax
department
for
30
years.
G
G
E
C
G
K
G
And
it
was,
you
know
we
were
there
five
days
a
week
and
also
we
were
trying
our
best
to
help
help
people.
I
think
that
one
thing
I
found
I
found
difficult
is
that
people
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
who
come
or
they
they
don't
like
taxes,
that's
a
that's
a
start
and
they
think
theirs
are
too
high
and
they
can't
afford
them.
But
we
have
to
sort
of.
We
have
to
walk
the
line
that
it's
not
it's
not
based
on
ability
to
pay
or
it's
it's.
G
G
It
was
approaching,
it
was
1500,
2,
000,
complaints
that
we
had
to
deal
with,
and
we
still
we
had
a
short
period
of
time,
because
you
would
basically,
you
know
you
grievance
day
is
like
the
fourth
tuesday
in
may,
and
then
you've
got
to
get
everything
done
by
the
end
of
june.
I
mean
most
years:
that's
not
a
problem
we
might
get
a
few
hundred,
but
in
2016
it
was.
G
G
G
But
it
seemed
like
it's
more
like
you
know,
500
600
more.
You
know,
including
residentials
and
commercials.
I
you
know
the
accessories
have
to
tell
you
exactly,
but
that's
my
impression,
but
in
2016,
as
I
say
it
was
really.
It
was
three
times
that
many
or
you
know
it
was
just
very
a
lot
of
them
to
keep.
B
C
H
G
G
G
C
If
I
can
just
ed
there
for
clarification
for
anybody
who
might
be
watching,
because
I
received
an
inquiry
on
this
just
the
other
day
from
constituent
what
I
have,
because
there
is
an
expectation
that
there
may
be
reassessment
because
property
values
are
going
up
and
I
track
property
sales
in
my
ward
and
they
are
definitely
going
up,
including
somebody
who
decided
he
made
a
mistake
in
purchasing
a
piece
of
property
and
a
year
later,
sold
it
for
twelve
thousand
dollars
more.
So.
C
C
I
also
don't
think
that
it's
an
appropriate
time
to
do
that,
because
there
should
be
a
large
opportunity
for
interaction
and
since
we
hopefully
are
seeing
a
point
in
time
after
you
know
the
middle
of
the
year,
where
people
can
have
some
more
personal
interaction
and
things
are
not
as
challenging
that
it
would
be
not
advisable.
I
think
for
us
to
move
forward
with
a
reassessment
this
year.
C
The
there
are.
I
also
do
want
to
clarify
that
when
a
reassessment
is
done,
it
does
not
automatically
increase
anybody's
taxes.
That's
not
the
goal
of
a
reassessment,
it's
a
matter
of
making
sure
that
everybody
is
assessed
appropriately
for
the
value
of
their
land,
so
everybody
is
being
treated
equitably
when
we
take
the
total
tax
levy
and
divide
it
amongst
the
various
property
owners.
So
that's
the
ultimate
goal
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
assessor's
office,
the
administration,
encourages
people
to
challenge
assessments
that
they
might
think
that
are
inappropriate.
L
Thank
you,
jenny
francis.
I
just
want
to
echo
everyone's
thanks
for
your
many
years
of
service
now
on
the
board
and
just
a
quick
question.
Actually
I
should
I
just
want
to
say
my
son
lives
on
your
block,
he's
like
two
doors
down
from
you,
sorry
harrison
and
caroline.
They
have
the
three
little
ones
now
sure.
G
L
So
what
I
wanted
to
ask
is,
when
you're,
looking
at
going
through
the
grievance
process
with
properties,
do
you
notice
that
the
assessments
are
of
the
other
houses
on
the
on
the
blocks
and
in
the
areas
they're?
Are
they
pretty
sound
in
assessments
I
mean,
I
know
there
was
a
period
where
there's
a
lot
of
politics
involved
in
how
people's
properties
was
assessed.
G
Similarly,
but
yes,
I
think
it
yeah.
I
think
I
don't
think
that's
a
major
problem
now
at
all.
I
think
they're
pretty
much.
You
could
look
at
the
street.
People
are
different
people
and
one
street
could
look
and
they
could
see
that
you
know
maybe
they're.
You
know
their
house
is
a
little
different,
maybe
so
the
assessment's
a
little
different,
but
there's
no.
J
G
J
G
G
L
B
Oh
hello,
francis
thank
you
for
coming
and
interviewing
him
for
your
work
on
the
board.
I
just
got
a
question
with
the
none
pro
the
non-profit,
the
property
in
albany
government,
property
and
stuff
like
that
that
don't
pay
taxes
does
that
affect
our
assessments
at
all.
Does
that
play
into
the
formulas.
G
Affect
our
the
residential
assessments
or
yes,
no
I
mean
it,
may
it
as
was
described
before
it
may
it
may
impact
you
know,
there's
less
property
to
divide
the
tax
levy
up,
but
it
shouldn't
really.
No,
it
we're
just
we're
just
looking
at.
What's
the
market
value,
that's
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
coming
in.
You
say
someone
will
come
in
and
say
I
I
think
your
my
assessment's
too
high
my
market
value
should
be
that
american
value
is
only.
E
G
G
J
J
G
I
I
No
one
reassessed
my
property
when
that
happened.
So
I
think
we
should
be
fair
if
we're
gonna,
do
it
every
10
years,
like
we
do
the
census,
let's
do
it,
I
don't
think
we
should
do
it
just
because
the
market
went
up
and
now
is
a
good
time.
We
can
get
the
assessments
and
lock
people
in
on
that
high
asset.
G
I
Also,
maybe
you
can
give
me
some
insight
on
this
and
give
us
some
insight
and
give
everyone.
That's
watching
some
insight.
I
feel
like
when
we
do
the
reassessments.
The
new
homeowners
are
the
ones
that
see
their
property
value
go
up
dramatically,
so
so,
for
example,
I
bought
my
house
in
2000
2016
2006..
I
Let's
just
say
I
bought
it
for
200
000..
My
neighbor
might
have
bought
their
house
20
years
earlier
and
they
may
have
paid
100
000.
So
when
the
assessment
happens,
the
reassessment
goes
up.
My
assessment
goes
up
to
210
and
their
assessment
goes
to
110.,
but
we
both
have
the
same
neighborhood
similar
home,
but
because
the
newer
buyer
just
bought,
I
always
feel
like
they
get
the
roar
of
the
of
the
stick,
which
is
hey
as
I'm
getting
older.
G
G
C
In
the
situation
that
alfredo
described
that
other
property
during
a
reassessment
should
not
have
just
gone
up
ten
thousand
dollars,
if
it's
similar
to
your
property
in
similar
kind
of
condition,
similar
features
similar
lot
size,
then
it
should
have
been
appraised,
essentially
around
the
same
as
your
particular
home.
At
that
time.
C
During
the
reassessment,
if
other
properties
around
you
purchased
earlier
are
being
appraised
significantly
lower,
then
the
answer
to
that
is,
you
should
be
grieving
your
assessment
and
going
to
the
board
of
assessment
review
with
the
evidence
that
the
other
similar
properties
around
you
are
are
being
assessed
at
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
that,
therefore,
it's
inappropriate
for
you
to
be
assessed
at
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
because
they
need
to
look
at
the
relative
fairness
of
it.
Not
only
what
the
market
price
is.
C
The
other
thing
that
I
will
note
is
and
I've
had
this
conversation.
I've
had
many
conversations
with
trey
kingston
regarding
assessments,
and
there
is
a
belief
that
when
you
buy
a
new
house
at
a
higher
value
that
you
ought
your
automatically,
your
assessment
is
automatically
increased
on
that
particular
property
at
that
time
and
that's
incorrect
whatever
the
assessment
was
previously.
That
is
the
assessment
that
carries
over
until
there
is
a
complete
reassessment
or
until
somebody
grieves
it
and
in
the
grievance
process
the
assessments,
my
understanding
is,
the
assessments
can
only
go
lower.
C
I
C
I
just
want
to
emphasize
to
anybody
who's
listening
or
to
other
council
members,
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
constituents
know
when
that
grievance
period
is
and
that
they
know
that
they
can.
Even
though
the
reassessment
was
done
four
five
six
years
ago,
they
can
still
each
year
grieve
what
their
current
assessment
is
based
upon
a
variety
of
factors.
By
looking
at
the
books
and
saying
gee,
I
miss
this.
I
Not
correct
and
I've
like
I
said,
I've
helped
people
weave
their
their
taxes
because
one
of
my
other
hatches
I'm
a
real
estate
agent.
So
I
have
access
to
the
mls,
so
I
can
pull
comps
of
what's
sold
recently
so
so
I
I
get
it
I
just
I
just
I'm
not
a
fan
of
the
reassessment.
Let's
do
it
once
every
10
years.
A
G
C
C
So
there
are
prior
resolutions,
I'm
sure
michelle
can
bring
up
one.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
the
end
of
his
new
term
would
be.
Make
sure
that
that's
accurately
reflected
it's
about
a
three
line
resolution
that
would
be
done
up
so
since
we
have
no
other
candidates
that
have
come
in
and
since
mr
cosgrove
has
provided
great
service,
and
I
want
to
note
that,
as
chair
of
the
finance
committee,
there's
been
a
couple
issues
that
have
come
up
during
my
tenure
on
the
finance
committee
and
he
has
always
been
professional.
C
You
know
he
has
a
professional
background
and
a
I've
heard
nothing
but
good
for
his.
You
know
from
people
who
have
appeared
before
the
board
about
feeling
like
they
are
being
treated
fairly
and,
of
course,
I've
heard
from
the
board
members
and
from
the
assessor
that
they've
been
very
pleased
with
his
service
and
his
leadership,
and
with
that
said,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
appoint
mr
cosgrove
for
another
full
term
on
the
board
of
assessment
review.
I
Is
it
possible
to
reach
out
to
the
cam
I
mean
for
me,
I
I
it's
a
bad
situation,
we're
in
and
I
kind
of
feel
we
should
be
fair
to
everybody,
that's
interested,
but
I'm
not
questioning
our
current
candidate's
credentials
or
his
commitment.
I
just
think
in
you
know
in
you
know
in
in
a
you
know,
in
a
situation
like
this,
where
you
have
you
know
21
inches
of
snow
out
there.
I'd
rather
get
some
clarification.
If
this
candidate
said
I'm
not
interested,
you
know
I
I
I
don't.
A
I
I
don't
see
how,
so
this
is
a
situation
where
you
can't
go
anywhere,
so
I
agree.
It's
definitely
something
I
wish
that
he
had
shared
more
information
to
say
I'm
unable
to
attend,
because
you
know
I'm
shoveling
out
the
street
or
whatever
it
is.
However,
there
is
no
information
given,
so
it's
it's
an
unusual
situation.
I
also
think
if
we
had
other
candidates,
it
would
be.
I
I
A
I
I
would
say
so,
with
the
I
say
I
think,
there's
two
sides
to
this.
I
think
that
there's
it's
also
not
entirely
fair,
to
put
off
the
decision
and
then
have
so
then
do
we
have
mr
cosgrove
re-interview,
because
it's
not
really
fair
to
only
interview
one
person
on
one
night.
It
also
is
something
that
we
weren't
given.
Mr
forbes
did
not
give
us
much
notice,
and
I
also
I
do
have
an
issue
with
that.
A
A
A
H
H
C
C
You
know
past
the
time
for
appointing
somebody
to
this
position
to
there
is
a
significant
training
requirement
that
goes
along
with
this,
and
my
understanding
is
that
that
training
usually
happens
in
february.
You
know
coming
up,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
when
we
have
had
people
express
an
interest
in
the
past,
sometimes
people
are
not
as
interested
when
they
find
out
that
for
the
grievance
period
that
this
is
actually
a
essentially
a
full-time
job
where
they
meet
during
the
day
they
meet
from
about.
A
A
But
as
a
rule,
at
least
since
michelle
has
been
with
us,
we
have
not
moved
forward
with
that
candidate.
So,
if
we're
going
to
stick
with
process
that
we've
utilized
for
the
past
several
years,
which
I
would
like
to
do,
then
we
would
move
forward
with
mr
cosgrove.
I
think
it's
different,
because
we
just
had
two
candidates
it
would.
I
think
it
would
feel
differently
if
we
had
more
candidates.
I
I
J
A
C
A
I
I
A
C
That's
something
that
they.
You
know
you
need
to
show
up,
and
so
you
know
when
we
have
such
a
well
qualified
individual
it'd.
Be
one
thing:
if
we
had
reservations
about
this
particular
individual,
I
have
absolutely
no
reservations,
he's
perfectly
qualified
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
him.
A
So,
and
I
would
I
would
like
to
continue
to
move
forward,
we
use
the
process
that
the
common
council
has
utilized
for
our
board
appointments
and
I
think
that
that's
a
really
important
thing.
If
we
would
like
to
change
that
process.
I
think
that's
a
separate
conversation
that
should
be
brought
up
in
governmental
operations
and
I
think
it's
a
valid
thing
to
bring
up,
but
that's
not
what
I
would
like
to
take
up
in
our
finance
committee
meeting.
So
next
up.
D
Yes,
I
think
we
have
I'll
give
you
that
number
right
now,
and
this
would
also
affect
some
retired
supervisors
too,
so
it'll
be
higher
than
the
number
currently
employed,
but
roughly
we
have
16.
Now
we
have
16
lieutenants
in
the
police
department
and
39
sergeants,
so
at
a
maximum
that
many
employed
current
city
of
albany
supervisors,
and
then
it
would
include
whatever
people
were
covered
under
that
period
that
have,
since
retired
too,.
C
D
C
I
D
I
B
D
J
D
They
may
that
this
is
a
good
question.
Actually
I
wish
mike
was
on
but
they're
they
are
part
of
apou
there's
apou
non-sworn
apou
sworn
an
apou
dispatch.
Now
the
detectives,
that's
a
designation
that
we
just
give
internally
and
it's
not
really
mentioned
in
the
agreements
outside
of
who
gets
a
an
allowance
or
a
stipend,
and
then
that
was
who
wanted
to
fork
off.
So
I
don't
know
if
actually
dispatch
is
tied
to
that.
B
C
A
C
So
I
would
love
clarification
of
that
particular
issue.
It's
not
really
germane
to
our
passing
and
acting
on
this
particular
resolution,
but
I
do
think
we.
It
would
be
beneficial
for
us
to
have
that
background
information,
and,
if
you
can,
you
know
get
that
to
us
in
the
next
week
or
two
I'd
be
happy.
You
know
I,
my
guess
is
other
members
of
the
council
would
like
clarification
as
to
all
those
designations
and
and
where
do
we
sit
with
those
contracts
etc.
C
So
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
note,
I'm
very
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
the
resolution
itself
does
put
the
total
amount
in
the
body
it
wasn't
put
in
the
title,
but
it's
put
in
the
body
of
the
resolution,
and
that
is
something
a
practice.
I
would
like
to
see
us
continue
in
the
past
when
I
first
started
on
the
council.
H
A
All
in
favor,
that
is
unanimous.
We
move
forward
next
up
I'd
like
to
just
while
we
have
the
nix
here,
although
it
has
not
been
introduced,
the
timing
was
a
little
off,
so
I
would
like
to
discuss
in
the
finance
committee
meeting,
so
the
finance
committee
has
a
definite
opportunity
to
ask
any
questions
on
resolution
number
121.122.20
r,
which
is
a
resolution
authorizing
the
appropriation
of
5.3
million
dollars
from
the
debt
reserve
fund
to
pay
for
bonded
debt
obligations.
A
D
I
can
certainly
speak
about
this
one,
so,
as
many
of
you,
I'm
sure
are
aware,
because
of
the
financial
projections
for
the
year
end
that
you
know
mike
has
shared
with
the
council
we're
projecting
a
deficit
for
this
year.
If
we
don't
do
anything,
that
amount
will
settle
all
of
our
obligations
with
fund
balance
and
that
will
just
be
lessened
the
amount
we
have
in
our
undesignated
fund
balance.
D
We
have
an
option
to
utilize
some
more
of
our
debt
reserve
and
pay
down
debt
with
that
and
not
use
funds
that
we
had
already
obligated
to
pay
that
debt.
So
this
really
has
no
impact
on
the
amount
of
money
that
we
would
owe
anybody
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Our
numbers
would
be
exactly
the
same.
We
still
have
to
make
that
debt
payment
one
way
or
another.
D
D
So
it's
kind
of
our
rainy
day
fund
for
debt-
and
you
know
this
is
the
rainy
day
and
yeah,
essentially
we're
just
asking
to
increase
the
authorization
for
the
use
of
the
debt
reserve
to
apply
towards
debt,
and
another
supporting
detail
I
should
mention
is
that
we
crunched
the
numbers
and
looked
at
the
how,
as
you
know,
we
had
some
good
news
this
year
before
a
lot
of
the
bad
news.
We
were
taken
off
of
the
office
of
the
state.
D
Comptroller's
fiscal
stress
score
our
system,
they
have
the
susceptible
vulnerable,
significant
distress
and
moderate,
and
we
had
gone
significant,
moderate
susceptible
and
then
this
year
they
had
taken
us
off
and
a
pretty
heavily
weighted
factor
in
that
is
the
amount
of
available
fund
balance
that
you
have.
So
if
we
do
this
and
we
increase
this
authorization
and
use
debt
reserve,
we'll
still
have
the
fund
balance
available
to
us.
It'll
improve
our
score
with
the
state,
comptroller's
fiscal
stress
system,
and
it's
not
an
additional
use
of
reserves.
D
It's
it's
use
of
a
more
restricted
type
of
reserve
for
the
exact
purpose
that
it's
it
was
saved
for.
So
if
anything,
it's
just
allowing
us
to
have
that
same
amount
of
money
in
a
a
more
general
reserve
account
our
general
unassigned
fund
balance,
and
it
would
improve
our
score
with
the
with
the
state
so
that
that's
the
rationale
behind
that.
C
D
I
M
J
I
D
I
D
D
I
M
C
M
J
J
H
C
C
A
A
H
H
A
So
it
was
not
it's
there.
The
timing
was
somewhat
off.
I
think
that
all
of
our
meetings,
since
all
of
our
meetings
are
a
little
seem
a
little
bit
earlier
this
year
and
other
years,
like
they're
falling
slightly
differently.
So
I
think
that
their
timing
just
happened
to
be
off
with
it,
so
it
was,
it
needs
to
be
it'll,
be
introduced
and
should
be
passed
on
monday
in
order
to
obtain
the
best
financial
benefit
from
it.
C
C
H
I
A
A
I
just
try
to
convince,
I
just
like
to
see
like
all
the
babies,
so
so
fantastic.
We
are
now
in
the
exciting
part
of
our
committee
meeting
where
we
shift
to
talk
about
streets
so
randy
you
are
on
and
we
appreciate
you
waiting,
but
I
will
say
that
you
have
made
us
wait
as
well,
so
turnabout
is
fair
play.
C
A
E
H
H
H
A
E
E
C
C
A
F
E
E
C
A
N
N
So
that
will
help.
I
know
this.
This
list
went
out
in
january
this
year.
We
tried
to
get
it
out
at
the
end
of
november
and
we'd
like
to
even
you
know,
get
that
out
even
sooner
in
in
the
future.
So
really
what
that
data
showed
us
is
really
generally
speaking,
using
the
2019
baseline.
It
was
basically,
we
were
looking
at
wards
that
had
streets
in
excess
of
28
poor
and
really
what
we
focused
on
in
2020
and
a
continued
focus
and
21
is
wards
one
through
five
and
fourteen.
N
N
A
H
H
H
N
The
issue
is:
there's
really
no
federal
aid
available
right
now,
the
most
recent
tip
update
runs
through
2024
and
really
all
the
funds
have
already
been
spoken
for
so
you
know
what
the
future
brings
in
the
near
future,
we'll
keep
our
fingers
crossed
and
hopefully,
looking
at
some
additional
funding
becomes
available,
and
I
think
that
would
be
something
a
candidate
we've
got.
We've
got
some.
You
know,
there's
some
pretty
big
stretches
of
some
major
roadways
in
the
city
that
are
going
to
need
some
attention
in
the
next
few
years.
J
C
C
N
N
I
don't
even
know
judy,
maybe
a
couple
threes
in
the
city
and
some
of
those
threes
we've
actually
revised
our
inventory
because
some
of
those
were
parking,
lots,
gravel
roads,
things
of
that
nature,
so
we're
really
looking
through
is
basically
anything.
That's
really
in
the
city
is
scored
as
a
four
or
five
is
really
generally
considered,
poor
condition.
C
N
C
But
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
that
I
was
kind
of
wondering
how
we
came
up
with
that
number.
Now
I
understand
it.
I
see
that
the
goal
for
2021
the
average
would
be
with
with
the
recommendations
you're
making
21
0.5
would
be
the
poor
roads
which
is
closer
to
a
goal.
Overall
goal
of
you
know
a
maximum
of
20
and
that
there
is
less
deviation,
but
there
is
still
would
still
be
significant
deviation
with
regard
to
14,
2
and
3.
Still
from
from
that
average,
I.
C
C
What
I
find
interesting
is
that
one
of
the
streets
that
is
appearing
on
next
year's
list-
half
of
that
is
rated
as
six
and
if
our
goal
is
to
reduce
the
percentage
of
poor
streets,
I
am
generally
not
in
favor
of
repaving
streets
that
are
as
six
when
we
have
much
worse
streets
in
a
particular
ward,
and
I
did
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
the
recommendations
I've
made.
You
know
in
the
in
the
photos
I
shared
and
most
of
those
streets
have
had
national
grid
work
done
on
it.
C
C
So
I'm
wondering
I'm
wondering
how
how
west
yuri
between
new
scotland
and
fairview
winds
up
on
a
three-year
plan
when
it
is
currently
not
rated
a
five
or
shouldn't
be
rated
to
five,
because
it
was
paved
within
the
last
six
years
and
I've
driven
it.
You
know
I've
driven
after
seeing
it,
because
I
was
like
wondering
what
I
missed.
N
N
Looking
out
trying
to
achieve
a
20
poor
rating
in
the
city
in
a
short
term
goal
is
unrealistic.
It's
it's
unattainable
right
now,
as
you
can
see,
even
going
out
through
through
21
and
the
amount
of
streets
that
we're
paving
the
amount
of
work
that
we're
doing
we're
struggling
to
get
some
of
these
awards
below
that
28
mark.
So
that
28
was
a
baseline.
We
set
in
achieving
a
short-term
goal.
N
N
It's
not
possible
for
us
to
go
out
there
and
start
changing
scores
in
award,
so
everybody's
on
the
same
playing
field,
and
then,
when
we
get
the
21
data,
we'll
have
more
accurate
information
and
we'll
also
have
enough
data
available
to
us
that
we
can
start
applying
a
reasonable
deterioration
rate.
So
really
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
snapshot
in
time.
N
Some
of
the
other
issues
you
brought
up
regarding
some
of
the
three-year
candidates
and
everything.
Those
are
those
are
years
out.
We're
open
to
suggestions,
we're
open
to
discussions
really
this
this
discussion
tonight
is
is
for
the
bonds
on
hand
and
the
street
list,
but
we're
open
to
any
suggestions,
any
comments,
and
this
isn't
a
perfect
process
by
any
means.
C
N
Because
cdtc
is
only
one
small
tool
that
we
use
and
it
doesn't
preclude
or
override
our
engineering
experience
and
our
evaluation
last
year.
If
you
recall,
you
told
us
that
forest
ave
was
one
of
the
worst
streets
in
your
ward,
so
we
addressed
that,
but
due
to
the
amount
of
work,
the
time
of
the
work,
the
time
that's
involved
the
work
and
the
funding.
N
This
isn't
something
that
just
the
computer
is
going
to
spit
out
and
tell
us
what
streets
we
can
pave,
because
we
have
coordination
with
national
grid
gas
main
replacements,
their
planned
work,
albany
water
department,
their
planned
work,
albany
housing
authority
planning,
habitat
for
humanity.
I
mean
the
list
goes
on
and
on
there's.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
go
in
and
pave
a
street
and,
and
somebody
come
in
and
tear
the
street
back
up
in
a
year
two
years
after
emergencies
happen,
things
happen,
but
that's
not
what
we're
looking
to
do.
C
C
With
regard
to
each
one
of
those
streets
that
I
have
mentioned,
I
have
confirmed
that
national
grid
work
has
been
done
on
those
streets
and
in
on
maplewood.
People
were
complaining
before
the
national
grid.
Work
was
done,
they've
been
complaining
to
me
for
years,
and
now
the
national
grid
work,
of
course,
has
made
things
worse.
You
know.
E
C
C
I
would
love
to
get
the
national
grid
work
done,
but
then
I'm
also
realizing
they'll.
Probably
national
grade
will
probably
want
to
go
down
the
street
and
we
just
had
the
other
part
of
parkwood
repaved
two
years
ago.
So
you
know
that's
a
challenge.
I
understand
those
challenges.
I
just
don't
understand
why
something
like
maplewood.
N
I'd
debate
the
sixth
rating
judy-
and
you
know,
you've-
got
curb
issues
over
there
sidewalk
issues.
We
also
have
to
look
at
a
host
of
other
factors
that
are
involved
in
us
in
the
amount
of
sidewalk
work
that
we
can
realistically
complete
in
one
year.
The
amount
of
curbing,
because
our
projects
are
becoming
more
involved
with
sidewalk
and
curbing
in
many
areas
is
the
paving.
The
resurfacing
of
the
road
is
almost
the
same
aspect,
it's
the
least
expensive
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
it's
the
least
time
consuming
and
realistically
in
the
northeast.
H
I
think
it's
unnecessary
if
you
just
simply
maybe
use
your
in-house
crew
to
pave.
You
know
one-sixth
of
that
block,
particularly
you
know
around
the.
At
least
this
is
my
experience
and
I
can
meet
with
you
and
give
you
good
and
give
you
my
examples
of
it
where,
where
maybe
a
whole
block
is
waiting
an
extra
year
or
two
or
three,
but
there's
really
only
one
section
of
it
which
the
in-house
crew
could
probably
do
rather
than
just
the
normal
street
patching
I
mean
where
they
actually
mill
a
little
bit
of
it
and
baby.
N
Yeah
mike
I
mean
we'd,
be
happy
to
discuss
that,
but
that
that
you
know
with
dgs
would
definitely
need
to
be
involved
in
those
discussions
is
what
that's
a
realistic
request
and
I
and
I
think
something
like
that-
can
be
done
on
with
with
the
in-house
crews,
with
with
the
contracted
work.
Yes,
that
runs
us
into
a
whole
nother
issue
with
ada
and
complete
streets
with
the
contracted
work
but
yeah,
I
think
the
frank
and
the
the
commissioner.
I
think
they
they'd
be
happy
to
to
look
at
some
options.
There.
A
L
Thanks
randy,
I
what
the
hell
is.
My
question:
oh,
I
know
you
know.
Cdtc
is
great.
We
have
that
service,
but
I
I
know
it's
easy
for
streets
to
fall
through
the
cracks
over
the
years.
It
just
understands
right,
especially
those
little
dead
ends.
In
particular,
I
I
talked
to
you
about
a
couple
of
those
today
in
my
in
an
email.
L
So
I
guess
I
was
wondering:
is
there
do
you
keep
track
like
you
know,
a
listing
of
the
streets
and
the
years
and
the
work
that
was
done
on
each
street
and
is
that
something
that
would
be
worthwhile
to
keep
track
of?
Because
because
then
you
could
take
a
look
at
a
section
say
wow!
This
street,
you
know
hasn't,
had
any
work
in
20
years
and
you
know
really
that
might
be
when
we
might
want
to
take
a
closer
look
at.
N
Yeah,
we
do
keep
a
record
of
work
summaries.
You
know
you
go
back
before
like
2000.
The
records
are
kind
of
kind
of
a
little
little
sparse
to
say,
but
yeah
I
mean
it's
we're
looking
back
and
you
can
see
when
something
hasn't
been
addressed
and
it's
not
even
on
that
list.
So
if
we
have
that
work
summary
right
now
from
2000,
we
look
at
that
right
now
and
if
there's
on
a
street
on
there,
we
know
that
that
street
hasn't
been
paved
in
over
20
years.
L
N
Well,
no,
I
mean
it's
it's
going
to
show
up
on
the
cdtc
report.
If
it's,
if
it's
listed
in
the
in
the
inventory
and
I'm
not
aware
of
anything,
that's
that's
on
our
local
highway
inventory
right
now
that
that
we're
missing
the
street,
so
we'd
be
looking
at
the
rating
and
that
street
would
be
listed
in
the
overall
inventory
and
it
would
be
if
I'm
assuming,
if
it
hasn't
been
paved
in
over
20
years,
it's
it's
more
than
likely
fallen
into
in
poor
condition.
L
N
L
N
C
Yeah,
so
so
we're
being
asked
to
approve
these
three
bonds
tonight,
so
we
can
act
on
them
on
monday.
When
are
you
putting
together
the
rfp,
because
I
you
know
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
today,
but
I
felt
like
that's
cruel
and
unusual
punishment,
along
with
everything
else.
That's
going
on
that
dgs
is
responsible
for
today,
and
you
know
everything
I
was
doing
for
neighbors,
but
I
and
now
you
know
I'm
curious
about.
I
want
to
walk
the
sidewalks.
C
C
F
They
said
a
couple
of
questions,
some
of
it
relates
to
the
current
list.
Some
of
it
does
relate
to
the
three-year
list
and
something
else.
So
you
know
I
have
two
streets
and
you
know
I
take
what
I
get
and
it's
never
much,
but
anyway,
the
other.
The
upper
part
of
spring
street
is
also
going
to
continue
for
next
year
as
well.
Correct.
H
F
F
N
F
Right,
so
nothing
for
we're
going
to
see
any
kind
of
construction
this
year,
just
the
design
phase
question
I'm
looking
at
the
the
three-year
prospective
list
and
one
of
the
other
streets
there
that
are
out
there
are
two
streets
is
j
street,
which
I
know
is
a
kind
of
a
sensitive
area
topic
to
deal
with,
but
that
it's
not
on
the
three-year
list.
Does
that
mean
it's
not
on
like
the
radar
screen
or
what's
the?
F
F
N
G
N
L
L
But
one
of
the
issues
is
in
that
area:
they
have
some
of
those
streets
with
the
the
brick
pavers
yes
and
it's
a
huge
issue
because
they're
a
mess
at
least
over
by
park
and
but
the
but
it
sounds
like
the
neighborhood-
really
wants
to
keep
them
right
rich.
So
how
do
we
begin
to
address
an
issue
like
that.
F
N
N
The
challenge
is:
is
those
streets
were
constructed
an
awful
long
time
ago,
using
materials
methods
labor
today
to
redo
something
like
that
talking
to
a
lot
of
contractors,
they
all
rip
them
out,
but
very
very
few
of
them
replace.
Oh,
it
becomes
very
labor-intensive
and
it
becomes
very
costly
to
replace
them.
So
I
think
with
something
like
that.
L
It's
an
interesting
problem
because
you
know
that
whole
area
is
very
historic,
yes
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
to
want
to
keep
those
brick
pavers.
There
we're
also
putting
a
lot
of
money
into
the
beaver,
creek
restoration
plan-
that's
right
along
park,
for
example,
and
then
lincoln
park
in
particular.
L
F
Yeah,
so
we'll
have
continue
to
have
that
discussion
on
jay
another
question
which
I
don't,
I
don't
think
it's
part
of
the
spawn.
But
it's
this
question.
I
have
the
the
removal-
and
this
is
a
sidewalk
issue-
probably-
and
I
think
this
past
this
year
or
last
year
you
didn't
the
department-
did
extensive
removal
of
blacktop
in
certain
areas
where
sidewalks
were
blacktopped
or
the
the
strip
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
building
was
blacktop,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
falls
into
your
area
randy
or
not.
F
But
it's
an
issue
is
that
something
I
mean
I
I
have
certain
areas,
especially
in
park
south
and
parts
of
hudson
park,
which
are
extensive
with
with
blacktop,
which
does
detract
in
park.
South
is
an
urban
renewal
district
which
doesn't
seem
to
be
getting
a
lot
of
attention
as
it
should,
but
is
that
something
that
we
can
work
on?
N
Sure,
sometimes,
there's
isolated
areas.
If
there's
isolated
tripping
hazards
a
lot
of
times,
that's
something
that
dgs
will
address
be
able
to
address
in-house
with
their
concrete
crew.
As
far
as
the
the
question
on
on
the
asphalt
there
were
areas
that
were
a
priority
that
we
were
removing
the
asphalt
sidewalks
and
replacing
them
with
concrete.
J
F
Okay,
another
question:
I
know
we
we
tend
to
do
everything
by
wards,
which
I
really
don't
think
is
a
good
way
to
measure
how
we
make
investments
in
in
neighborhoods,
because
you
know
in
my
my
ward,
for
example,
I
have
four
different
neighborhoods
they're,
not
all
alike
and
park.
South
is
very
much
different
from
state
from
center
square
in
park.
South
is
more
of
a
low-income.
You
know
working-class
high
immigrant
area,
but
we
we
tend
to
think
that
you
know
all
of
my
award
is
center
square.
F
Is
it
pot
and
so
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
get
overlooked
or
we're
not
really
measuring
equitable
investment?
Because
we
look
at
wards?
Is
it
possible
to
would
it
did
you
know
we
and
we
do
have
ward
lines
and
this
actually,
the
city
you
know
has
identified
addresses
by
I'm
sorry,
neighborhood
lines
and
the
city
does
address,
has
identified
addresses
by
neighborhoods.
I
Grid
so
they
have
been
whipping
through
my
streets
and
we
just
paved
maybe
six
seven
years
ago,
I'm
now
cut
up.
Are
they
reimbursing
the
city
for
any
of
these
damages,
and
now
they
we
may
have
to?
We
may
now
have
to
we
pay
for
street
that
maybe
we
paved
six
seven
eight
years
ago,
which
was
in
good
solid
shape
until
they
came
in
and
just
cut
all
these
horse.
N
I
I
H
I'll
follow
up
on
something
that
richard
brought
up.
The
fact
that
ward
lines
are
arbitrary,
neighborhood
lines
are
consistent
and,
like
I'm
looking
at,
you
have
a
three-year
street,
paving
candidates
and
they're
all
identified
by
ward
and
yet
in
2021
or
2022
sometime
around,
then
the
ward
lines
are
going
to
change
dramatically
10
years
ago
they
changed.
I
know
my
ward
50
of
the
geography
changed
and
I
that
wasn't
exclusive
to
me.
A
lot
of
words
changed
dramatically
very
arbitrary.
I
thought.
H
So
all
your
plans,
all
your
three-year
plans
based
on
wards
are
scrambled,
and
so
I
you
know
to
follow
up
on
what
richard
said.
There
was
a
promise
from
the
mayor's
office
that
they
were
going
to
follow
up
on
that
problem
and
it's
still
defined
by
ward
lines
and
they're
going
to
be
scattered
totally
totally.
H
So
I
really
think
that's
something.
If
it's
going
to
be
real
long-term,
equitable
planning,
you
have
to
have
a
more
defined
boundary
like
a
neighborhood,
they
don't
come
out
and
change.
You
know
the
neighborhood
associations
don't
come
out
and
change
their
boundaries
dramatically
every
10
years.
The
wards
do
so
that's
still
a
big
gap
in
the
equity
agenda
and
the
promise
was
from
the
mayor's
office.
The
night
that
we
passed.
It.
N
I
I
don't
know
what
to
say
to
that
mike
other
than
you
know.
The
division
of
engineering
is
open
to
suggestions,
ideas
if
things
change
down
the
line,
it's
an
ever-changing
world
and
we'll
adapt
to
it
as
as
needed.
The
overarching
conversation
I
I
you
know.
I
I'm
not
aware
of
the
details
of
that,
but
again
we're
here
we're
open-minded
we're
open
to
suggestions,
we're
open
to
input.
M
Yeah
in
in
2021
there's
850
000
budgeted
for
street
openings
from
dgs.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
the
most
versed
on
dgs's
revenues
to
know
exactly
about
how
that's
collected
but
yeah.
That's
that's
what
the
budget
was
for
2021
in
2020
it
was
750
000.
So
we
are
collecting
reimbursements
for
street
openings
alfredo.
A
So
if
there
are
no
other
actually,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
note,
and
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
passing
this
forward.
But
randy-
and
I
know
tom
has
actually
a
bigger
issue
with
this
than
I
have
in
my
award,
because
his
his
streets
without
sidewalks
are
more
dangerous
than
my
streets
without
sidewalks,
but
I
just
want
to
put
a
pitch
out
there.
I
know
it
is
expensive
to
put
on
sidewalks.
I
know
not.
Everybody
wants
them.
I
know
it's
a
process,
but
it
is
something
that
is
very
important.
A
I
know
many
council
members,
including
myself
and
tom,
are
very
interested
in
expanding
a
sidewalk,
and
so
I'm
bringing
that
up,
because
I
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
these
specific
ordinances,
but
I
feel
like
every
time
we
talk
about
sidewalks.
We
need
to
bring
that
up
because
there's
some
there's
a
lot
of
places
that
have
no
sidewalks
whatsoever.
That
would
be
happy
with
asphalt.
N
A
I
I
will
say
I
know
that
tom
I
I
can
definitely
share
with
you
the
the
streets
of
my
word.
They
don't
have
sidewalks,
but
I
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
sense
of
urgency
for
russell
road
and
tom,
just
based
on
his
his
describing
of
it
and
my
own
walking
on
it.
I
know
it's
very
dangerous
and
there's
a
lot
of
kids
that
walk
on
it.
So
I
we
will
follow
up
with
you
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
anything.
B
You
know
brad
glass
was
up
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
walked
russell
road
is
my
main
concern.
It's
county
road
203
right
to
the
city
line,
and
then
it
becomes
russell
road,
but
it's
the
one
of
the
main
arteries
up
in
this
part
of
albany
and
it
connects
right
to
the
school.
So
parents
can't
walk
their
children
to
school.
You
just
can't
do
it.
B
I
tried
it
a
few
times
and
you
know
almost
got
hit
when
we
were
showing
brad
the
area
there
was,
you
know
at
least
four
cars
almost
hit
us.
So
it's
you
know
we
need
to
get
something
done
and
I
know
I
see
david
there
and
I
know
I've
expressed
this
to
david.
So
you
know
I,
I
think
it's
just
getting
the
resources
there,
but
you
know
the
people
up
in
this
part
of
the
town.
B
A
A
A
E
A
A
All
in
favor
that's
unanimous,
excellent!
Well,
thank
you,
everyone
so
much
for
a
long
evening
but
important
evening,
and
thank
you
so
much
to
staff.
I
really
appreciate
the
tag
team
of
the
knicks
always
randy
thanks
for
coming
in
and
talking
through,
all
of
it
with
us
and
david
who
is
not
here.
We
appreciate
him
and,
of
course,
always
think
appreciate
our
incredible
staff
danielle
and
michelle.
We
appreciate
you
so
much
and
thanks
so
much
have
a
great
night.
Please
stay
safe
and
good
luck.
Traveling,
we'll.