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B
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone.
This
is
the
april
20th
meeting
of
the
common
council's
planning,
land
use
and
economic
development
committee
meeting
committee
meeting
council
members.
President
committee
members,
president
judy
daucher
and
tom
holly
other
council
members
of
wusuanani.
We
have
staff
john
raphael,
piccardo
and
danielle
gillespie
and
from
the
planning
department.
C
I
also
want
to
thank
tina
and
also
sustainability
committee
for
all
their
support
and
also
counselors
for
their
input
on
making
sure
that
we
prioritize
addressing
the
diverse
need,
as
it
relates
to
the
climate,
and
also
sending
a
message
to
our
neighbors,
that
this
is
an
issue
that
the
city
of
albany
care
about
I'd
like
to
turn
over
to
tina
lieberman.
That's
all
right
and
just
talk
a
little.
B
Bit
about
the
resolution,
thank
you
thank
you
and
tina.
I
apologize.
I
should
have
introduced
you
also
tina
lieberman,
from
the
sustainability
advisory
committee,
and
also
I
noticed
councilmember
richard
conte
is
also
here
so
welcome
tina.
If
you
could
give
us
a
little
bit
more
information
about
this
resolution,.
D
Sure
thanks,
so
what
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
I'm
hoping
that
this
resolution
energizes
our
commitment
to
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
which
is
something
that
we
we
need
to
kind
of
re-um
commit
ourselves
to
do
it.
It
was
in
our
2030
action
plan
and,
and
it
it's
part
of
our
climate
action
plan,
that
we
were
going
to
reduce
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
40
by
2030.
D
That
is
now
a
goal
also
for
new
york
state
in
the
climate,
leadership
and
community
protection
act,
and
you
know
it's
just
extremely
important
that
we
move
toward
it.
We
also
were
able
to
add
in
information
specifically
about
the
city
of
albany's
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
because
now
that
we
have
an
energy
manager
who's
been
with
us
just
over
a
year,
jason
west,
he
was
able
to
do
a
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory
using
all
of
our
2019
data,
which
we
hadn't
done.
D
So
we
really
need
to
focus
on
building
decarbonization
with
energy
efficiency
and
and
switching
off
of
fossil
fuels,
and
then
transportation
is
our
second
biggest
sector
for
emissions,
and
so
we
also
really
need
to
focus
on
not
just
electrification
of
our
fleets
and
electrification.
You
know
helping
support
residents
as
they
switch
to
electric
vehicles,
but
we
also
have
a
wonderful,
pedestrian
and
bicycling
master
plan
that
we
really
need
to
implement
so
that
we
make
walking
and
bicycling
safe
and
attractive
for
people
as
an
alternative.
D
I
know
zach
powell
is
very
involved
in
that
it's
a
wonderful
plan,
so
I
think
we
really
need
to
commit
to
it
and
commit
resources
to
this
so
that
we
can
move
forward
so
you'll
find
at
the
very
end,
there's
a
lot
of
real.
You
know
focused
ways
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
the
third
area
would
be
reducing
landfill
emissions.
The
methane
coming
out
of
landfills,
which
we
now
know
is
9.1
of
our
of
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
D
B
E
Thank
you
tina.
One
of
the
things
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
later
in
the
meeting
is
more
and
more
especially,
we
covet
drive-throughs,
where,
like
drive-through
testing
drive
through
pick
up
food,
do
you
see
this?
You
know
while
covets
going
on
as
a
problem,
or
is
this
something
that
we
should
start
looking
at
now.
D
We
can
definitely
people
are
already
asking
us.
We
need
more
charging
stations
in
downtown
albany,
I
mean
we
could
definitely
be
doing
something
right
now.
We
we
need
to
pave
the
way.
We
also
have
this
wonderful.
As
I
said,
the
pedestrian
and
bicycling
master
plan,
you
know,
are
we
going
to?
How
quickly
can
we
implement
that?
You
know
what
what
does
it
take
to
make
that
happen
more
quickly,
rather
than
you
know,
putting
it
on
a
leisurely
pace.
F
F
D
F
F
I
mean
tina,
you
know
me,
you
know
I've
been
supportive
of
this.
I
you
know,
I
have,
you
know
been
having
radix
pick
up
my
food
scraps
for
years,
and
you
know
I
don't
have
more
than
a
kitchen
bags
worth
of
of
garbage
going
into
the
you
know
into
my
garbage
can,
and
sometimes
I
don't
even
you
know,
put
it
out
in
any
given
week,
because
I
have
so
little
garbage.
F
F
This
I
you
know-
and
I
think
that
that
this
is
really
something
that
you
know
where,
where
is
a
work
product
coming
from
the
sustainability
committee,
to
get
the
city
to
do
something
that
we
can
say,
here's
a
very
specific
program
or
plan
that
we
need
the
council
to
do
x
on
this
needs
to
be
codified,
etc
in
order
for
it
to
actually
accomplish
something.
So
that's
my
my
frustration
with.
D
D
I
would
say
for
the
food
waste
aspect
of
it
that
can
be
codified
if
it's
approved
in
a
solid
waste
management
plan,
but
there
are
other.
There
are
other
ways
to
approach
codification
of
that,
but
I
mean
I
turn
it
back
to
you
folks.
How
do
you
take
this?
Can
you
use
this
to
then
think
about
ways
and
we
can
work
together?
C
G
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
there
one
thing
I'm
I'm
trying
to
with
the
usda
I've
been
reviewing.
The
comprehensive
plan
I
just
want
to
clarify
is
the
2020
albany
climate
action
plan
of
subpart
of
the
20
albany
2030
plan,
because
I'm
looking
at
it
right
now
and
it
is
in
there.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
in
this
resolution,
that's
actually
reflected
that
it's
also
part
of
the
albany
2030
plan
as
well.
B
D
A
B
B
Yes,
that's
what
you
know.
We
should
go
back
and
review
that
and
see,
take
a
look
at
it
and
see.
I
know
that
we're
supposed
to
update
it
as
we
go
along,
so
we
probably
should
take
a
closer
look
at
that
anything
else,
and
I
I
I
agree
with
you
wusu.
I
think,
there's
value
in
bringing
the
issue
to
the
public's
attention
once
again.
B
Earth
day
is
coming
up,
so
people
have
had
a
lot
of
other
issues
on
their
mind
this
year,
this
last
year
between
the
pandemic
and
and
unrest
and
and
on
and
on
so
there's
new
funding.
That's
coming
from
the
federal
government,
so
you
know
we
can
make
sure
we
should
all
be
taking
a
look
at
what
we
can
do
to
improve
our
environment
and
the
climate,
and
you
know
possibly
use
some
of
the
funding
towards
that
as
well.
So
something
to
for
us
all
to
consider.
B
E
Kathy,
I
had
one
question
for
tina
that
I
thought
of
I'd
like
to
ask:
if
that's
okay,
sure
yep
tina
one
of
the
things
I've
noticed-
and
I
mentioned
before
about
the
covid-
is
the
tremendous
amount
of
mass.
Wherever
I
go
in
parking
lots
on
the
road
taking
a
walk.
Is
there
anything
that
can
be
done
that
people
we
can
get
people
to
you
know
dispose
of
properly
their
their
face?
Mass.
D
Well,
I
guess
I
you
know
I
would
ask
yeah,
we
could
certainly
put
out
the
word
as
best
we
can.
We,
you
know
through
various
our
facebook
pages
and
the
mayor's.
You
know
facebook
page.
So
that's
something
we
could
do
to
put
out
that
information,
and
I
think
I
think
everyone
is
seeing
that
quite
a
bit.
I
guess
also.
D
F
I
actually
think
that
that
that
would
be
a
great
thing
to
do
before
we
pass
a
resolution
to
actually
have
some
identifiable
goals
by
certain
dates.
What
do
we
mean
about
increasing?
You
know
electrical
charging
stations.
You
know
the
city
has
just
added
some.
I
have
been
in
touch
with
matt,
peter
and
jason.
F
C
Yeah,
I
think
this
resolution
has
inspired
her,
but
I
will
see
it
pass
and
you
know
once
it:
it
comes
to
the
flow
for
a
vote.
We
can
stop
putting
them
together,
but
it's
like
one
of
those
things
what
came
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg,
but
I
think
that
they
want
to
inspire,
and
I
hope
that
so
far
it's
already
expired
inspire
judy
to
think
about
this
committee.
F
F
What
do
we
really
do
that
results
in
real,
tangible
change
on
these
issues,
and
I
and
I
think
that,
without
specifying
specific
goals
and
doing
things
like
you
know,
ginny
is
working
on
the
fifteen
dollars
an
hour
for
all
city
workers.
Having
us
a
very
specific
goal
and
saying
this
is
what
and
then
having
somebody
say.
I'm
gonna
push
on
that
issue
with
the
administration
and
find
out.
You
know
how
we're
going
to
achieve
that,
and
I
see
that
tom
hall's
hand
is
up.
I'm
talking
too
much
again
go.
E
B
E
F
Yeah-
I
I
like
this-
I
like
this,
so
I
actually
think
that
to
us
for
councilman
member
anani
to
work
with
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
to
establish
clear
goals
to
implement
each
one
of
the
resolved
plot.
Each
one
of
the
items
mentioned
in
the
resolve
clauses
that
would
make
me
feel
a
lot
better.
F
D
D
Can
that
lead
to
something
going
into
the
budget
eventually
so
that
we
can
do
this
because
there's
a
lot
of
grants
out
there
that
we
could
make
use
of?
But
you
need
to
have
funding
to
enter
into
that
so
like.
If
we
could
set
clear
goals
of
action
steps,
then
we
might
have
a
better
idea
of
what
kind
of
funding
we
need
to
make
them
happen.
F
F
F
G
B
I
I'll
just
do
a
real,
quick
intro.
You
know
after
we
met
a
couple
weeks
back,
I
met
with
our
staff
again
and,
and
we
kind
of
went
through
the
the
permitted
use
table
and
concluded
that
we
had
some
additional
changes
that
we
wanted
to
pursue
with
respect
to
that.
So
we
are
going
to
present
additional
items
from
that
section
and
we
also
did
want
to
start
with
a
or
you
know
subsequent
to
that,
go
through
a
review
of
some
article.
I
Two
changes
that
we're
considering
some
of
them
are
substantial
in
the
sense
that
they
move
content
either
remove
content
from
the
code
or
move
it
elsewhere.
Some
of
the
content
is
redundant
so
today,
with
respect
to
that,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
what
we're
looking
to
do
and
get
some
feedback
from
the
committee
members
on
that.
So
that
said,
I
think
I
think
zach
is
going
to
kick
us
off
with
the
article
three
use
table
changes
so
zach
go
ahead.
Can.
G
I
J
J
I
I
G
I
E
I
I
I
J
G
J
J
There
were
some
small
edits
that
we're
proposing
just
to
clarify
changing
the
word
from
development
to
property.
Just
to
it's,
our
current
definition
for
property
is
talking
about
an
action
to
a
property
and
not
necessarily
a
property
itself,
adding
that
multiple
uses
are
permitted
when
they're,
legally
non-conforming
and
then
councilmember
doshee.
I
also
know
that
you
had
we're
looking
to
change
the
word
approval
to
permit
for
conditional
uses,
since
that
aligns
with
the
process
for
applicants
receiving
those
or
applying
for
them.
J
J
J
Meeting
moving
on
to
unlisted
uses,
our
department
had
stated
that
we
would
have
a
more
solidified
process
for
classifying
unlisted
uses
and
interpretations.
We
are
still
working
on
this
again.
The
goal
with
whatever
process
that
we
come
up
with
is
to
better
clarify
what
needs
a
formal
interpretation
set
standards
for
posting
formal
interpretations
on
the
city's
website.
J
Aligning
the
appellate
process
for
interpretations
through
administrative
appeals
with
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
and
there
could
be
options
for
existing
processes
with
usdo
text.
Amendments
to
have
interpretations
appear
before
the
planning
board
at
a
public
hearing
to
provide
increased
transparency
for
members
of
the
public
and
then
also
help
make
it
faster
if
something
is
significant
enough
or
there's
a
large
amount
of
concern
for
an
issue
to
move
that
for
a
text
amendment
so
that
that
can
be
immediately
addressed.
F
F
I
So
judy
there's
there's
a
a
series
of
issues.
You
know
I
started
sort
of
calling
them
out
on
the
the
usda
webpage.
A
little
bit
that
are
just
sort
of
larger
and
more
are
going
to
require
a
little
bit
more
work.
I
did
put
this
into
that
category.
I
certainly
think
it's
something
we
accomplish
as
a
part
of
this
project,
but
it's
probably
something
that's
deserving
of
its
own
memorandum,
and
you
know
we
still
do
want
to
meet
with
the
corporation
council.
I
F
Great-
and
I
think
I
think
it
was
in
the
last
meeting
and
at
some
point-
maybe
whether
it's
this
meeting
or
the
next
meeting,
I
think
we
should
sort
of
put
it
as
an
agenda
item.
Or
maybe
you
know
somebody
like
me
who
cares
about.
I
should
just
talk
to
you
about
what
might
be
some
of
the
hallmarks
of
what
a
notice
and
opportunity
to
be
heard.
Kind
of
process
would
look
like
for
I
want
to
say
some
of
these
smaller
decisions
that
hopefully,
don't
necessarily
have
to
go
to
a
planning
board
yeah.
F
But
you
know,
I
think
I
think
you
expressed
agreement.
You
and
your
staff
have
expressed
agreement
that
there
should
be
notice
to
people
who
care
when
a
decision
is
being
made
and
and
that
maybe
and
and
that
there
is
some
sort
of
appellate
process
which
you
have
reflected
here
and
I
think
teasing
out
and
having
a
little
bit
more
of
a
a
working
conversation
about
what
that
looks
like
and
how
we
don't
want
to
get
it
too
bogged
down.
F
F
F
Yeah-
and
I
think
so,
I
think
that
this
kind
of
tentative
notice
of
decision
making
two
places
where
I
see
it
coming
up,
that's
obvious
to
me-
is
the
unlisted
uses
and
non-conforming
use
determinations,
and
I
can
certainly
provide
a
couple
of
examples
of
that.
I'm
sure
that
you
know
pretty
much.
Every
council
member
can
provide
an
example
of
that
and
and
and
looking
at
what
interpretations
have
been
posted.
I
think
is
also
really
some
of
the
test
cases
right.
G
J
Yeah
and
thank
you
for
the
clarification
that
was
just
to
make
sure
that
we
were
addressing
the
topic
since
it
was
brought
up
at
last
the
last
meeting,
and
we
were
anticipating
to
talk
about
it
tonight,
but
we're
still
working
on
it
just
making
sure
that
no
one
else
had
questions.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
keep
proceeding.
G
J
J
Just
because
special
purpose
didn't
seem
necessarily
like
the
appropriate
term
to
classify
those
so
and
I'm
just
going
over
this
a
little
bit
again,
just
because
the
new
classifications
being
proposed
are
just
gonna
come
up
as
we
go
through
again.
This
is
going
over
content
that
was
presented
at
the
last
meeting
of
creating
a
new
land
use
category
for
utilities
and
infrastructure
and
listing
some
new
uses,
such
as
small
wireless
facilities
and
solar
farms,
and
their
allowances
are
shown
for
the
open
space
and
industrial
zoning
district
categories.
J
And
just
as
a
reminder
currently
with
the
v
or
vacant
uses,
these
have
to
be
buildings
that
have
been
vacant
for
five
or
more
years,
and
the
applicant
would
still
need
to
get
a
conditional
use
permit
in
order
to
use
the
site
for
that
use.
So
this
is,
I
think,
as
brad
had
mentioned
at
the
previous
meeting,
trying
to
eliminate
the
time
that
a
building
is
vacant
and
make
sure
that's
being
reutilized,
but
for
some
uses
it
does
make
sense
to
continue
looking
this
through
a
conditional
use,
permit
process
and
provide
opportunity
for
public
comment.
F
J
F
J
E
Zach,
I
got
a
fast
question
on
the
under
civic
and
institutional
uses,
religious
institution
and
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
this
right,
so
in
an
i2
like
which
would
be
heavy
industrial,
I
believe,
is
what
you
said.
We
could
have
like
a
church
or
something
like
that
built.
Am
I
correct
in
that
assumption.
E
Now,
if
somebody
say
somebody
sets
up
a
church
and
this
is
an
industrial
area
and
then
a
factory
opens
up
and
it's
noisy
or
whatever
could
we
run
into
problems,
I'm.
What
makes
me
think
of
this.
Is
you
know
a
lot
of
people
like
to
live
out
in
the
country,
and
I
know
some
counties
have
to
do
right
to
form
legislation.
So
you
get
so
many
people
live
out
there.
They
don't
want
to
live
next,
to
you
know
a
cow
farm
or
something
like
that.
Could
this
open
up
problems
for
us?
J
Yeah
and
right
to
farm
is
kind
of
a
unique
scenario.
There
are
not
too
many
they're,
not
as
many
uses
that
have
those
guaranteed
rights,
usually
there's
something
that
are
in
the
public
interest
that
prevent
people
from
banning
them.
You
know-
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
religious
institution
is
a
pretty
expansive
category.
J
You
know
and
there's
some
religious
institutions
that
meet
daily
there's
some
that
only
meet
weekly,
so
you
know
I
think
it's
probably
going
to
be
dependent
on
the
use
but
they're
already
permitted
within
i1
zoning
districts
as
well.
I
think,
have
a
lot
of
similar
potential
issues
or
characteristics,
so
it
just
seemed
a
little
odd
that
we
weren't
treating
it
the
same
going
forward,
but
I
think
it
is
good
to
bring
up
and
good
to
think
about
as
we're
going
through
this.
F
If
I,
if
I
can
just
chime
in
there,
it's
a
it's
a
great
point
and
something
that
you
need,
you
need
to
see
the
flip
side.
Of
course
you
wanna,
you
know
why,
wouldn't
you
let
a
church
be
there
if
a
church
wanted
to
be
there,
but
they
might
then
wind
up
unbeknownst
to
them
being
located
next
to
some
new
development
that
they
are
then
opposed
to.
In
our
case,
I'm
looking
at
the
map-
and
it
looks
to
me
like
we-
have
i2
in
two
different
places.
F
One
is
the
port
of
albany
and
the
other
one
is
that
industrial
park
area
out
by
I-90
off
of
everett
road
kind
of
thing
and
it's
kind
of
tom.
I
think
that
my
gut
with
regard
to
that,
if
anybody's
going
to
locate
a
church
or
any
of
these
other
things
in
either
of
those
locations,
then
they
are
on
notice.
It's
not
like
it's
going
to
be
some
sort
of
surprise
to
them.
Oh
I
wound
up
next
to
you
know,
you
know
a
wind
turbine
factory
or
something
like
that.
E
That
judy
that's
a
you
know
if
a
church
opens
up
and
then
next
door,
you
know
but,
like
you
said,
the
two
areas
that
we're
looking
at
most
likely
a
church
wouldn't
have
there,
but
we
never
know
what's
going
to
happen
five
10
years,
20
years
down
the
road
so
well,
you
know
I
just
again
just
make
the
point.
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
so
moving
on
we're
also
proposing
some
additional
use:
allowances
for
the
new
park,
zoning
or
pk
zoning
district
as
well,
adding
new,
civic
and
institutional
uses,
urban
agriculture,
food
uses,
office
and
services
accessory
uses
and
temporary
uses,
and
the
footnote
is
not
included
with
this.
But
again,
the
intention
with
the
open
space
district
is
to
limit
the
amount
of
development
on
a
site.
So
we
are
going
to
be
looking
towards
developing
a
footnote
that
limits.
J
You
know
the
percentage
of
the
site
or
size
of
any
proposed
new
structure
within
a
park.
So
again,
the
focus
is
the
green
space
within
the
zoning
district,
but
we
have
heard
people
express
an
interest.
You
know
to
maybe
open
up
a
beer
garden
within
the
city
or
encourage
more
food
and
beverage
service
within
city
parks.
I
Yeah,
and
if
I
I
could
just
add
there
really
quickly,
is
you
know
I
think
in
most,
if
not
all
cases
here,
the
land
in
the
park
is
going
to
be
publicly
owned.
So
there
would
be,
you
know,
ability
to
to
curtail
any
you
know,
sort
of
undesirable
activity
through
you
know
the
general
process
of
city-owned
property
and
needing
permission,
but
I
also
think
we'll
look
at
some
new
specific
standards
just
to
be
clear
that
we're
not
opening
up.
D
J
J
D
E
J
So
from
my
understanding
and
we've
been
having
more
conversations
about
this
within
our
department,
areas
that
are
within
the
city's
public
right-of-way
aren't
covered
with
the
usdo.
So
a
lot
of
the
stuff
like
you're
speaking
to
with
larkfest,
would
go
under
special
events
and
permitting
through
the
city
and
the
state
does
have
its
own
program
or
excuse
me.
I
believe
the
police
department
has
its
own
program
right
now
for
food
vendors
around
the
capitol
we
have
talked
about.
J
E
I
I
didn't
see
it,
that's
why
I
was
just
asking
about
it
because
I
know
it
is
popular
and,
as
time
goes
on
as
the
years
go
on,
it's
getting
more
and
more
popular
and
we
see
a
lot
more
of
it.
So
it's
just
you
know,
I'm
thinking
like
washington
park.
I
forgot
that
there's
roadways
in
there,
which
is
the
public
right
away,
so
I
think
you've
covered
it.
I
didn't
know
if
we,
you
know,
I
think
in
the
future.
E
G
J
Yeah
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
you
know
we
are
looking
to
limit
the
footprint
for
any
future
buildings,
and
you
know
I
think,
with
our
previous
conversations
about
that
that
was
mainly
trying
to
address
you
know
small
research
that
might
be
going
on.
You
know
within
the
pine
brush,
preserve
if
they're
trying
to
do
testing
or
any
field
research,
that's
going
on
so
happy
to
come
up
with
or
develop
language
that
really
gets
at
what
that's
trying
to
address
and
if
that's
not
able
to
cover
it
as
well.
J
F
And
when
you
talk
about
a
building,
normally,
if
somebody's
doing
research
in
in
the
pine
bush,
it
would
essentially
amount
to
specimen
collecting
sites
it,
wouldn't
they
wouldn't
necessarily
really
be
doing
the
the
research
there.
This
is
all
in
in
a
sense
it
can
be
sort
of
like.
Oh,
your
home
has
become
a
laboratory
because
you're
using
a
home
test
kit.
It
might
you
know
it
might
be
overkill
and
suggest
a
little
bit
too
much.
J
J
Okay,
brad
had
presented
this
at
the
last
meeting
as
well.
This
is
just
adding
that
there's
a
change
from
multi-family
detached
dwelling,
just
changing
that
to
multi-unit
detached
dwelling
and
also
the
addition
for
three
unit
detached
dwellings
as
a
conditional
use
within
the
mixed-use
form-based
midtown
zoning
district,
as
well
just
to
align
that,
with
the
conditional
use
listed
for
the
mixed-use
form-based
central
avenue,
zoning
district.
J
Zoning
district
to
conditional
use,
just
because
we've
seen
a
lot
of
traffic
impacts
related
to
institutions
and
facilities
that
are
providing
medical
services
along
central
avenue.
So
there
are
some
traffic
related
impacts
that
would
probably
be
good
to
better
examine
and
determine
conditionally
whether
the
sighting
is.
J
J
So
I
think
it's
potentially
an
opportunity
to
again
add
more
youth,
specific
standards
for
the
operating
characteristics
or
for
the
size
of
the
proposed
personal
or
business
service
to
make
it
easier
for
the
lower
intensity,
personal
or
business
services
to
operate
within
mixed
east
neighborhood
edge
zoning
district
but
again
require
more
stringent
requirements
for
higher
intensity
or
larger
personal
or
business
services.
Moving
forward.
B
J
No,
I
think
you
know
traffic
and
transportation
and
parking
and
access
to
a
site
are
something
that
we
look
at
for
all
projects.
It's
just,
I
think,
with
central
avenue.
Currently
right
now,
you
know:
we've
seen
a
lot
of
instances
where
there
are
traffic
impacts
for
medicare,
medicaid
vans
that
are
picking
up
and
dropping
off
people
for
certain
other
uses
as
well.
So
I
think
again,
with
the
more
limited
amount
of
parking
for
mixed
use,
form
based
central
avenue.
H
G
B
G
J
Yeah
and
I
think
for
your
point
for
mixie's
form
base
south
end,
definitely
good
to
think
about.
You
know
if
there's
a
concern,
you
know
for
the
transportation
elements
there.
That's
definitely
something
good
to
think
about
the
reason
we
had
it
as
permitted
for
mixed-use
campus
institutional
is
just
because
the
use
aligns
with
and
is
usually
more
expected
within
that
zoning
district
as
well.
J
I
think
you
could,
I
think
again,
it's
more
just
that
central
avenue
right
now
has
a
lot
of
stop
and
go
traffic
and
we've
just
seen
a
lot
of
instances
on
central
avenue
where
there
are
transportation
impacts
related
to
medical
uses.
But
again,
that's
something
you'd
like
us
to
look
at
for
other
zoning
districts
happy
to
do
that.
Well,.
B
I
G
J
B
J
Continuing
onward,
another
larger
change
was
just
the
increased
number
of
accessory
uses
within
all
zoning
districts
and
then
allowing
for
temporary
farmers
markets
in
the
majority
of
zoning
districts,
except
for
the
n
a
or
the
proposed
n
a
zoning
district.
So
this
would
include
cabarets,
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
sidewalk
or
outdoor
cafes
and
again,
farmers
markets
with
farmers
markets,
we're
looking
to
develop
these
specific
standards
just
to
ensure
that
there
are
not
negative
impacts
within
you
know.
E
J
So
that
would
be
an
accessory
use.
So
part
of
the
justification
for
this
is
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
religious
institutions
that
have,
you
know,
amplified
music
for
their
existing
legal
non-conforming,
restaurants
or
establishments
that
already
have
live
entertainment
as
an
accessory
component
of
the
use.
So
this
was
just
looking
to
recognize
that
in
a
lot
of
instances
and
cavalries
go
through
a
permitting
process
through
the
city
clerk's
office.
So
there
is
additional
review.
J
You
know
through
council
members,
through
city
departments
as
well
and
there's
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
as
well.
So
this
was
just
looking
to
recognize
that
there
are.
You
know:
cabaret
accessory
cabaret
uses
already,
in
effect
in
residential
areas,
but
just
again
still
maintaining
that
there
will
be
that
review
through
the
city,
clerk's
office
and
opportunities
for
public
input
and
input
from
council
members
and
city
departments.
E
I
E
I
I
think
the
reason
that
we're
adding
those
in
is
because
there
are
separate,
more
behavior,
behavioral
oriented
permits,
specifically
with
the
cabarets
that
do
sort
of
control
those
uses,
particularly
the
cabarets.
I
mean
it's
really
only
a
secondary
regulation
through
our
usdo.
It's
just
basically
saying
that
they're
allowed
as
an
accessory
use
generally
they're
regulated
through
that
separate
permit
process.
I
Cafes
are
a
little
bit
different
and
I
think
you
know,
as
we
get
into
the
youth
specific
standards
for
cafes,
which
will
probably
be
our
next
meeting.
We
can
talk
more
specifically
about
what
sort
of
conditions
we
need
on
those
in
certain
circumstances,
because
there
are
a
number
of
other
issues
related
cafes
that
we
need
to
cover
as
well.
I
F
F
I
It
would
be,
for
example,
the
pine
bush
preserve.
We
would
probably
consider
even
tivoli
preserve
and
perhaps
the
corning
preserve.
As
you
know,
natural
areas,
and
then
there
are
a
number
of
lands
that
are
set
aside
as
a
part
of
cluster
subdivisions
or
are
in
flood
plain,
but
yeah.
We
do
need
to
get
that
map,
and
this
was
another
area
where
we're
going
to
produce
a
separate
memo.
Stating
our
rationale
for
splitting
that
up
into
two
differences-
and
you
know
different
use
allowances
that
we
would
be
conveying
in
each
district.
G
B
Just
go
just
going
back
to
what
tom
just
to
make
sure
about
the
permitting
process.
I
I'm
not
sure
how
much
you've
used
that
out
in
the
15th,
but
that
goes
through
the
city
clerk's
office
and
we
get
all
departments
to
weigh
in
about
whether
or
not
the
you
know.
For
example,
a
cabaret
should
be
located
in
a
church.
You
know,
is
it
disruptive
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
that's
a
whole
separate
process
from
the
usda.
I
I
I
do
think
renewals
are
issued
without
a
public
hearing,
but
I
think
the
reason
we
went
from
regulating
cabarets
or
live
entertainment
through
zoning
was
it's
more
of
a
behavior-oriented
enforcement
effort,
so
that
gave
us
the
ability
to
enforce
based
upon
behavior,
which
zoning
is
really
not
geared
as
well.
To
do
that.
H
H
F
F
G
J
Okay,
so
now
I'm
going
to
move
into
some
of
the
uses
that
we're
looking
to
either
completely
remove
or
just
limit
on
a
larger
scale,
the
first
being
just
prohibiting
all
new
pawn
shops.
Currently
they're
allowed
as
a
conditional
use
within
the
mixed
use
community
highway
zoning
district
and
they
are
permitted
in
the
light
industrial
or
iworn
zoning
district,
and
this
just
comes
from
the
operating
characteristics
and
negative
land
use,
impacts
that
they
have
in
terms
of
stop-and-go
traffic
and
crime,
which
can
also
have
additional
traffic
impacts
as
well.
J
J
I
Well,
yeah,
I
mean,
I
guess
you
know,
I
guess,
is
there
a
consensus
that
we
don't
want
any
pawn
shops?
I
mean
I
think
there
there
there
may
be
that
consensus.
I
think
it
was
something
that
was
accommodated.
We
there
really
aren't
that
many
of
them
and
it
may
not
be
something.
So
certainly
we
want
to
get
council's
opinions.
K
I
B
E
G
E
G
J
I
think
it's
because,
for
you
know,
i2
zoning
districts.
They
are
a
lot
of
times,
sites
that
are
already
pre-contaminated
or
have
ground
contamination
already,
whereas
i1
it
might
not
be
as
likely.
There
are
also
probably
situations
where
there
are
heavy
vehicles
that
are
washed.
You
know,
potentially
within
the
port
or
within
the
i2
district
along
I-90
that
we
might
not
be
aware
of
as
well.
That
would
classify
under
that
use.
J
B
F
J
F
J
J
I
B
F
I
Okay,
we'll
take
a
look
and
we'll
see
what
we
identify
and
then,
if
we
miss
any,
you
can
fill
us
in
it's
one
of
the
things
I
think
we'd
like
to
show
on
map
geo
moving
forward
is
to
be
able
to.
You
know
if
you're
looking
to
do
a
certain
use
that
it
would
actually
highlight
the
properties
that
that
use
would
be
allowed.
I
think,
would
be
very
helpful,
as
opposed
to
just
having
to
know
that
it's
allowed
in
a
district.
E
Yeah,
I
got
a
just
a
comment.
Car
washes
turn
out
to
be
probably
more
environmentally
better
than
people
watching
cars
at
home
in
the
car,
wash
they
the
salt
and
the
this
I'm
thinking
of
the
wintertime-
and
I
do
wash
my
car
quite
often
the
winter
time
for
safety
reasons.
Keeping
my
glass
clean,
also
salt
rots
the
metal
in
the
car,
so
you
know
and
what
they
do.
Is
they
recycle
that
water
that
goes
through
so,
and
you
know
maybe
that
study
again.
E
This
is
what
I've
read
years
ago,
but
I
mean
we
could
look
into
it
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
think
it's
more
environmental
friend,
more
environmentally
friendly
than
just
allowing
people
to
wash
cars
in
their
driveway
or
you
know
somewhere
else.
I
am
concerned
there
are
a
lot
of
gas
station.
I
know
the
mobile
station
up
by
me
and
I'm
not
sure
of
the
district
up
there
brad,
but
if
they
have
a
small
like
one
thing,
one
block
building
that
cars,
one
at
a
time
can
go
through
and
get
clean.
E
I
Yeah
tom,
we
could
take
a
look
at
that.
Maybe
this
is
somewhere
where
we
could
ask
the
sustainability
committee
to
weigh
in
on
the
environmental
side
of
things,
but
also
I
mean
I,
I
think
what
is
the
bigger
concern
for
me
in
making
this
and
again
we're
not
prohibiting
we're
just
making
it
conditional
is
some
of
these
larger
automobile,
wash
cleaning
stations.
I've
seen
there's
one
out
gilda
and
on
route.
20,
for
instance,
are
pretty
significant
in
scope
and
would
be
you
know
something
in
the
city.
I
E
Yeah
you're
right
and
again,
I'm
even
thinking
at
the
dealerships
they're
not
going
to
have
a
huge
thing.
They
have
it's
just
like
a
one
booth
car
wash
so
one
car
at
a
time
can
go
in
and
it's
controlled
and
you're
right.
I'm
thinking
of
colonial
car
wash
up
and
juggle,
and
I
mean
they
have
vacuums.
They
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
which
wouldn't
fit
into
a
city
environment.
So
I
I
appreciate
that.
J
This
is
transitioning
into
vehicle
fueling
stations
again
as
we're
looking
forward
to
people
using
alternative
fuels
or
completely
electric
cars
in
the
future,
trying
to
shift
away
from
new
vehicle
fueling
stations.
Again,
this
is
promoting
gasoline
usage
in
a
large
part
and
there's
also
just
a
lot
of
you-
know:
transportation,
design,
concerns
and
also
when
a
site
is
abandoned
after
being
used
as
a
gas
station.
J
That
creates
a
contaminated
site
which
is
known
as
a
brandfield.
So
that
requires
a
lot
of
funds
in
order
to
clean
up
to
be
reused
for
a
different
use,
currently
we're
proposing
to
remove
it
from
the
majority
of
mixed
use.
Zoning
districts,
while
still
allowing
for
it
in
the
mixed-use
community
highway
zoning
district
as
a
permitted
use
and
as
an
accessory
use
in
the
mixed-use
campus
institutional
zoning
district
and
as
permitted
within
industrial
districts.
J
You
know,
I
think
this
is
something
as
mentioned
in
the
memo.
It
would
be
good
to
think
about
maybe
including
additional
standards,
potentially
for
prohibiting
underground
gasoline
storage,
incentivizing
reuse
for
alternative
fuels
and
just
more
stringent
design
standards
for
principal
and
accessory
structures
as
well
to
make
them
friendly.
J
F
I
I
think
we
need
a
map
and
I
think
we
wanted
to
start
the
broader
conversation
I
mean,
and
it
does
say,
vehicle
fueling
station,
we're
speaking
more
to
gasoline
fueling
stations,
but
as
we
switch
to
renewable
fuels,
you
know
what
are
those
you
know.
It
may
be
a
totally
different
scenario,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
conscious
that
these
are
fields,
and
we
see
an
example
like
on
colvin
and
washington,
where
a
new
gas
station
wants
to
locate
directly
across
from
an
old
gas
station.
F
So
I
I
think
I
wonder
if
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
you
put
a
sort
of
a
sunset
on
new
approach.
You
know,
like
maybe
in
five
years,
revisit
the
issue,
but
in
the
meantime
also
like
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
potential
of
my
neighborhood
losing
the
one
gas
station
that
it
has
and
then
there's
a
couple
gas
stations
within
a
half
mile
to
a
mile
that
people
would
have
to
go
to.
Instead,
that
does
not
seem
to
me
to
be
particularly
burdensome,
but.
F
F
F
J
Yeah,
I
think
the
way
that
I
distinguish
it
and
brad
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
in
this
is,
I
think,
with
electric
vehicle
charging
stations,
those
are
an
accessory
use
where
the
act
of
charging
the
vehicle
is
not
as
a
service
or
four
fee,
so
it's
not
being
monetized,
whereas
with
the
vehicle
fueling
station,
the
act
of
charging
your
vehicle
would
be
monetized.
F
All
right,
so
I
I
do
think
that
it's
worthwhile
to
break
it
out
into
gas,
diesel
and
and
electric,
because
I
think,
over
time
and
and
with
regard
to
how
we
view
this,
it's
going
to
be
different.
Hannaford
has,
for
example,
an
electrical
charging
station
there,
and
we
wouldn't
want
to
encourage,
like
another
gas
station,
to
be
located
there,
but
we
so
we
may
want
to
be
more
permissive
with
regard
to
vehicle
charging
stations
in
this
category
and
fueling.
B
I
I
do
think
this
is.
This
is
kind
of
a
big
step,
but
I
I
think
it
makes
sense,
and
I
also
think
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
design
standards
here,
but
that's
a
big
issue.
I
imagine
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
because
even
some
of
our
gas
stations
that
currently
exist,
I
mean
they're
all
so
many
of
them
are
becoming
these
mega
stations,
and
you
know
with
the
stores
and
then
the
huge.
I
don't
know
what
you
call
it
over
the
pumps.
B
B
F
Yeah
brad,
have
you
guys
been
thinking
about
that?
I
mean
you
know
so
out
central
avenue
and
colony.
You
know
there
was
a
there's
like
a
big
new
huge.
You
know
cumberland
farms
and
another
one
out
in
gilderlin.
I
think
near
156
or
something
like
that-
might
work
for
those
areas,
but
certainly
something
that
seems
out
of
scale
for
what
we
are
likely
to
to
want
in
the
city.
I
I
mean
it's,
it's
very
difficult
to
design
the
gas
stations
in
a
way.
That's
you
know
sympathetic
to
the
general
character
of
the
city,
it's
sort
of
like
you
learn
to
live
with
them.
To
a
certain
degree,
I
mean
we
tried
colvin
and
washington,
for
instance,
to
get
the
building
up
to
the
street,
but
then
we
had
you
know
they
still
want
the
door
to
be
on
the
back.
I
I
F
I
You
know
I
can't
say
that
I've
read
a
book
on
it
yet
so
I
don't
know,
there's
still
a
lot
to
learn,
I
think,
but
what
will
become
of
the
gas
station
sites
in
the
city?
Are
they
just
going
to
switch
to?
You
know
a
different
type
of
rental
fuel,
maybe
not
as
you're
suggesting
it
could
be
a
totally
different
way
of
doing
empowering
vehicles
so
you're,
starting
to
think
about
that
now.
I
think
we'll
be
ahead
of
the
curve.
E
See
your
hand
yeah,
that's
all
right,
I
didn't
have
it
up.
I
was
trying
to
jump
in
and
then
finally
I
put
it
in
so
you
know
I
my
household,
we
have
five
cars
between
me
and
my
wife.
I
have
a
tractor
which
runs
on
diesel.
I
have
a
motorcycle,
that's
gas
and
you
know
I'm
a
car.
I've
been
one
of
my
first
words
was
car
key.
According
to
my
parents.
Oh
I
love
cars,
but
you
know,
let's,
let's
look
at
the
reality
and
you've
touched
on
on.
E
What
I
wanted
to
say
is
by
2035.
General
motors
is
not
going
to
be
producing,
combustible
engines
anymore,
and
you
know
electric
is
going
to
be
one
thing
that
we're
going
to
do
and
you
know
we
do
have
it
at
the
university.
We
have
electric
stations,
there's
two.
They
come
in
a
stanchion
that
will
charge
up
two
cars
at
a
time,
but
we
also
gotta
look
at
besides.
Electric
hydrogen
is
another
type
of
fuel
that
toyota
has
been
buying
into.
E
E
So
you
know,
storing
the
hydrogen
and
stuff
like
that.
If
we
do
go
to,
that
is
a
consideration
also,
right
now
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
state
fleet
uses
natural
gas
compressed
natural
gas
is
another
fuel
that
that's
being
used.
So
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
out
there.
Another
consideration
in
the
old
days
a
gas
station
would
open
up
would
be
like
a
mom-and-pop
place.
It
wasn't.
E
The
store
would
be
an
actual
place
where
you
go
in
and
get
your
car
worked
on.
If
you
were
having
a
problem-
and
you
didn't
want
to
you
know-
you
couldn't
afford
to
go
to
the
dealer.
So,
and
I
don't
know
you
know
this
says
fueling
station.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
covers
auto
repair
brad.
So
that
was
one
of
my
questions
for
you.
How
do
we
deal
with
auto
repair?
Is
that
a
separate
category.
I
E
And
I
know
tesla,
you
know
they'll
come
to
your
house
and
fix
the
car.
You
know
at
your
house
so
yeah
it.
I,
I
think,
being
ahead
of
the
the
curve
and
being
prepared.
My
own
feeling
is
that
electric
I
mean
we
have
electric
motorcycles
now
the
cars
the
tesla's
have
really
shown
what
can
happen.
Volkswagen
is
going
to
go
totally
electric.
E
You
know
they
have
the
new
bus,
the
the
old
hippie
bus
is
going
to
be
electric
and
I
have
my
eye
maybe
to
sell
most
of
my
cars
and
get
just
one
of
those.
But
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
points.
I
just
also
wanted
to
bring
up.
I
buy
most
of
my
gas
at
bj's
because
that's
10
cents
cheaper
than
everybody
else
and
I'll
drive
that
distance
just
to
get
that
cheaper
gas.
So
I
think,
having
a
lot
of
gas
stations
in
the
city
isn't
as
critical
as
one
might.
E
B
G
J
Continuing
onward
with
self
storage
facility,
we've
seen
a
preponderance
of
these
show
up
within
the
warehouse
zoning
district,
so
we're
looking
to
limit
their
usage
as
well.
You
know
a
lot
of
times
with
that
being
the
sole
use.
Those
also
have
you
know,
impacts
with
moving
traffic
with
trucks
and
also
with
storage
as
well,
and
a
lot
of
times,
they're,
not
activating
or
really
improving
the
community.
E
Well,
no,
I'm
just
making
you
guess,
I'm
sorry,
but
the
number
one
use
is
people
when
they
get
divorced.
You
know
and
that's
that's
the
big
thing
when
people
get
divorced,
that
you
know
they
split
up
the
household
and
they
need
a
place
to
put
their
stuff
while
they're
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
the
rest
of
their
lives.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
aware
of
that.
You
know.
I
don't
know
what
the
divorce
rate
is.
I
know
at
one
time
it
was
very
high.
E
E
J
Yeah-
and
I
I
don't
disagree
with
that-
you
know
whatsoever
and
whether
you're
getting
divorced
or
whether
you're,
maybe
taking
on
things
from
a
family
member
who's
passed
along
or
you're
in
a
relationship,
maybe
where
you're
not
married,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
people
are
not
getting
married
as
frequently
but
still
have
the
same
issue
of
splitting
up
household
items
as
well.
It's
important
to
think
about
we've
just
seen
you
know,
there's
two
existing
u-hauls
along
787
and
there's
a
self-storage
facility
along
I-90,
there's
two
existing
u-haul
facilities,
also
in
bananas
as
well.
J
So
it
seems
like
there
is
a
good
number
of
u-hauls
and
other
similar
self-storage
facilities
within
the
city.
So
I'm
looking
to
really
identify
you
know:
are
we
saturated
with
this
use?
Is
it
serving
enough
people
that
it
needs
to
you
know
if
it
is,
then
this
makes
sense
and
if
not,
maybe
looking
to
figure
out
a
way
where
it's
still
meeting
those
needs,
but
doing
it
in
a
way
where
it
doesn't
inhibit
growth
and
has
an
opportunity
for
more
benefits
than
it's
we're
currently
seeing
now
from
a
lot
of
facilities.
E
Yeah,
the
environmental
impact
too,
is
pretty
low
with
them.
They
don't
have
any
type
of
you
know,
electricity
use
most
of
them,
or
you
know
I
just
don't
see
anything
that
would
add
to
the
greenhouse
gas,
except
for
the
cars
pulling
in
and
loading
stuff
off
and
on.
But,
like
you
just
said,
when
I
was
making
a
guess,
we
do
have
an
awful
lot
of
apartments
going
up
in
the
city
and
if
people
are
moving
from
apartment
apartment,
you
know
they
need
a
temporary
place
to
put
their
stuff.
F
F
B
My
initial
thought
was
that
I
was
very
comfortable
with
this
too,
because
I
just
see
them
popping
up
everywhere,
and
you
know
I
guess
I
didn't
have.
I
really
didn't
think
it
through
tom
until
you
talked
about
a
little
bit
of
you
know
of
the
real
need.
I
I
I
I
see
them
my
thought.
Was
you
know
that
people
end
up
just
leaving
stuff
in
these
storage
facilities?
B
G
B
B
E
F
I
I
You
know
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
conscious
of
you
know
when
these
are
located
in
a
commercial
zone
in
a
neighborhood
district
or
even
a
community
scale,
urban
district,
that
that
really
doesn't
provide
any
vibrancy
or
life
streetscape.
So
I
think
there
at
least
needs
to
be
a
combination
of
other
uses
in
conjunction
with
them
on
the
ground
level
or
something
to
that
effect
and,
like
you
said
that
mixed
use
community
highway,
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
we
should
consider
that
as
a
conditional
use
or
something
to
that
effect.
I
E
I
Yes,
although
you
know
as
judy
sort
of
alluded
to,
they
would
become
non-conforming.
So
we
do
need
to
be
conscious
we're
making
something
non-conforming,
that
there
are
potential
impacts
on
them
wanting
to
expand
or
alter
or
potentially
obtain
a
loan
or
a
financial
line
of
credit.
So
they
they
would
continue
to
be
permitted.
But
we,
you
know,
we
always
do
need
to
be
aware
of
those
consequences.
F
You
know
here's
the
thing
I
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
design
of
them
as
much.
You
know
the
current
design,
these
you
know
tin
shacks
with
you
know,
garage
doors
and
bright
orange
and
beige
and
whatever-
and
I
do
wonder,
brad
when
you're
you
know
the
idea
of
having,
I
want
to
say
an
elevator
building,
potentially
of
three
stories
in
the
first
story
being
having
commercial
uses
in
it.
You
know
other
uses
in
it
and
having
storage
be
above.
F
G
A
A
A
I
J
To
and
I
think
also
just
looking
at
the
regional
impacts,
too,
of
how
many
people
from
outside
of
the
city
are
storing.
You
know
items
with
in
here
as
opposed
to
city
residents,
using
that
as
well,
because
we
also
don't
want
the
city
to
be.
You
know
a
dumping
ground
for
people's
stuff
as
well.
We
want
it
to
be
something
that's
used
by
city
residents
and
supporting
city
residents.
J
Continuing
onward
for
drive-in
or
drive-through
facility
removing
this
as
either
an
accessory
or
conditional
use
in
the
majority
of
mixed-use
zoning
districts,
while
still
allowing
for
it
in
the
mixed-use
community,
highway
zoning
district
and
the
both
industrial
zoning
districts
and
a
lot
of
this
comes
from
again.
The
environmental
impacts
that
drive-throughs
have
with
idling,
and
there
are
also
a
lot
of
design
aspects
too,
where
the
design
of
buildings
to
accommodate
a
drive-through
don't
promote
good
urban
design.
J
So
I
think
this
could
be
something
you
know,
while
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
national
chains
wanting
to
increase
the
use
of
this
trying
to
curb
that
and
promote.
You
know
quick
and
convenient
service
for
people
who
own
or
don't
own
cars
as
well,
whether
whether
that
be
you
know,
a
pickup
window
that
you
walk
to
or
promoting
the
idea
that
you
know
people
who
employees
who
work
at
these
facilities
bring
out
goods
or
services
to
people
to
their
cars.
E
J
I
E
No-
and
I
understand-
and
you
know
chase
manhattan
that
you
know
that
I
I
fought
like
hell
to
get
up
by
me-
they
didn't
even
want
to
drive
through
they
want
people
to
park
and
they'll
walk
over
to
the
to
the
window,
but
I'm
thinking
there's
drug
stores
and
would
covet
being.
You
know
there
was
times
where
you
couldn't
go
in
like
to
do
your
banking
and
stuff.
But
if
there
was
a
drive
through
there,
you
could
do
your
banking.
E
So
I'm
hoping
we
don't
ever
get
hit
with
another
type
of
epidemic
like
govid,
but
we
can't
predict
the
future,
so
it's
definitely
worth
talking
about.
But
what
really
gets
me
nervous
because
I'm
not
from
downtown
I'm
from
the
uptown
area,
where
you
can't
get
around
without
a
car
I
mean
or
a
bicycle
in
a
bike.
I
wouldn't
want
to
ride
a
bicycle
in
the
snow
and
I
wouldn't
want
my
son
driving
a
bicycle
on
russell
road
brad,
as
you
know
how
dangerous
that
is,
or
even
walk
on
it.
E
B
B
You
know
that
they
put
in
an
application
and
they
their
design,
includes
a
drive-through
and
that's
very
important
to
that
fast
food
company-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
were
very
much
against
that.
We
were
happy
when
they
pulled
the
application.
Another
place
I
can
think
of
is
the
banks
fq
over
on
lower
new
scotland.
B
I
remember
years
ago,
before
they
had
the
drive-through
and
what
a
a
great
little
bank
that
was
you
had
to
park,
you
had
to
go
in.
It
was
very
homey
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
now
of
course,
they've
got
the
drive-through,
so
you
don't
ever
have
to
go
in
and
talk
to
the
you
know
the
people
behind
the
counter.
B
B
E
You
know
just
to
counter,
you
know
we're
all
heading
towards
you
know
old
age
and
as
you
get
older,
it
gets
a
lot
harder
to
walk.
You
know
I
had
attacks
of
gout
and
there's
no
way
I
could
walk.
I
mean
my
foot
was
so
swell
in
the
pain,
but
I'm
able
to
get
into
a
car
and
drive.
I
mean
we
gotta
and
it's
hard
I
mean
environmentally.
E
E
F
I'd
like
to
chime
in
here,
I
don't
like
drive-throughs,
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
a
mcdonald's,
drive-through
or
burger
king.
You
know
on
central
avenue
is
fine.
I
wasn't
thrilled
with
the
push
to
have
the
drive-through
for
that
bank,
but
kathy.
I
gotta
tell
you,
I
love
the
design
of
the
bank,
it
is
to
me
it's
so
much
more
friendly.
I
don't
use
the
drive-through,
you
know
I
will
walk
in
and
it
is
handicap
accessible.
I
hated
that
ugly
wooden
ramp
that
they
had
previously.
F
You
know
we
we
made
sure
we
listened
to
jack
alvarez
and
his
recommendation
to
make
sure
the
design
of
it
was
a
little
bit
more
consistent
with
the
other
buildings
on
our
commercial
street,
and
I
think
it
it
so
I
like
that,
but
I
don't
care
about
the
drive-through
and
I
gotta
say
that
in
all
the
times
that
I
drive
back
along
ontario,
I
have
never
once
seen
somebody
pulling
out
of
the
drive-through
in
that
area,
so
I
don't
think
it
was
necessarily
needed.
The
other
thing
I
got
to
say.
F
I
think
I'm
in
a
bank
once
a
year-
I
don't
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
don't
under
under
no.
It
helps
that
tom
goes.
You
know
to
the
bank,
but
generally
I
mail
in
deposits.
I
have
direct
deposit,
I
have
direct
pay.
You
know
out
of
my
account,
I
you
know,
I
know
most
people
know
how
to
do
you
know,
deposit
by
you
know
using
their
their
phone.
F
Whatever
I
get,
when
I
need
cash,
I
get
it
out
of
an
atm,
so
so
that
whole
thing
you
know
with
with
regard
to
banks
needing
this,
I
I
wonder
real
I
mean
it
does
it
did
help
during
covet.
You
know
for
a
lot
of
people
and
I
think
that
businesses
probably
use
banks
a
little
bit
more
than
you
know
and
need
the
physical
structures.
I
am
concerned
about
us
losing
those
storefronts.
F
F
F
G
F
To
deal
with
when
it
comes
to
drive-throughs,
so
there's
two
curb
cuts
associated
with
it
and
through
traffic
on
it,
often
in
addition
and
and
often
they
need
additional
space
in
the
way
of
a
curb
cut.
Because
here's
where
you
go
to
the
drive-through
and
here's
where
you
go
into
the
parking
flat
area.
F
F
J
And
then
brad
had
mentioned
the
addition
for
short-term
rentals.
Potentially
this
is
listed
as
a
right
now,
but
again
we're
looking
to
get
feedback
on
short-term
rentals
going
forward.
Just
something
to
think
about.
You
know
we
we
see,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
airbnbs
throughout
the
city
which
I
think
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting,
but
there
could
be
potential
options.
You
know
within
you
know,
for
things
like
glamping
or
outdoor
short-term
rentals
as
well.
So
just
something
to
think
about.
J
F
B
H
D
D
J
And
I
think
on
even
a
more
informal
end,
we've
heard
some
interest,
I
think
within
tivoli,
not
for
anything
permanent
and
usually
glamping
is
a
little
bit
more
permanent.
But
doing
you
know
even
just
starting
to
do
like
educational
outreach
through
camping
and
programming
for
kids,
but
you
know
even
thinking
about
that
going
forward
if
there's
areas
in
the
city,
where
maybe
there's
an
educational
element
or
programming
element
along
with
camping
without
you
know
those
physical
modifications.
Thinking
about
that,
just
as
we're
developing
short-term
rental
standards.
E
People
are
afraid
that
with
the
grouper
law
that
how
many
people
can
be
in
a
residence
like
or
an
apartment
or
a
house
how
many
different
and
in
talking
to
rick
with
joy,
there's
really
no
way
to
enforce
it,
and
you
know
just
bring
up.
How
do
you
know
if
somebody's
short-term
or
not,
and
how
would
you
enforce
it?
If
you
know
the
short-term
became
you
know
like
with
an
airbnb
with
like
a
half-year
lease
or
a
year
lease?
How
would
we
regulate
that.
I
B
Right
yeah-
and
I
mean
there
are
other
cities
that
have
regulated
this,
so
that
you
know
the
city
keeps
track
of
where
all
the
airbnbs
are
they're
required
to
register
with
the
city
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
There's
we
have
to
get
hold
of
some
model
legislation
on
it,
because
it
is
an
issue.
I
we
have
a
whole
house
just
up
the
street
from
me.
That's
an
airbnb
rental
and
I
that
little
strip
over
near
me
on
new
scotland
thanks
to
judy
and
the
new
cafe
area
out
there.
B
It's
it's
a
really
desirable
place,
all
those
restaurants,
so
it's
kind
of
a
great
place
for
these
rentals.
So
I
can
just
I
do
have
this
vision
of
them
quite
a
few
of
them
popping
up
right
in
this
neighborhood,
and
how
do
you
limit
it
because
it
does
it
does
after
a
while,
you
know
change
the
quality
of
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit
and
is
that
what
you
want?
So
I
think
it's
definitely
something
we
have
to
look
at.
F
I'm
I'm
also
very
concerned
about
how
short-term
rentals
can
change
the
affordability
of
housing
in
an
entire
neighborhood
or
entire
city,
when,
when
somebody
can
make
you
know
five
thousand
dollars
renting
out
something
you
know
a
month
as
opposed
to.
Maybe
you
know
if
it
was
a
long-term
rental
getting
you
know,
1500
or
2000?
G
J
Yeah
we've
seen
that
in
hudson
new
york
too,
where
there's
you
know
high
preponderance
of
airbnbs
as
well.
So
I
think
you
know
we're
not
quite
to
that
point
yet.
So
it's
a
good
time
to
look
at
that
to
avoid
those
situations
and
make
sure
that
the
city
still
can
be
affordable
and
I'm
sorry,
council
member,
go
on
sure.
E
E
I
I
believe
it
would
be
the
hotel
tax,
but
I
think
that
has
to
happen
at
a
county
level.
So
that's
certainly
a
part
of
this
conversation,
and
you
know
this
is
you
know
something
that
we
know
we
need
to
to
work
on?
I
don't
know
you
know
when
we'll
have
a
clear
resolution
as
to
what
what
to
do
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
but
this
is
generally
how
cities
regulate
them
through
zoning
code
would
be
through
a
short-term
rental
provision.
F
F
E
I
just
like
to
add
that
I'd
hate
to
rush
through
this
I
mean
that
was
what
happened
with
the
original
usdo.
It
was
kind
of
pushed
through
without
understanding.
I
really
appreciate
the
line
by
line
detail
that
we're
going
over
this.
This
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work,
but
thank
you,
for
you
know
everybody
for
working
with
me.
I
I
Those
special
purpose
districts
really
should
probably
be
more
industrial
districts
and
then
open
space
districts.
So
we're
looking
at
changing
the
two
classifications,
and
I
I
sent
around
a
separate
sheet
that
just
put
put
the
individual
districts
and
their
purpose
statements
which
are
important
to
look
at
and
consider
as
well
as
new
images
that
we've
had
produced
that.
Well,
not
perfect.
I
think
they're
a
lot
better
than
what's
currently
in
the
code,
the
images
in
the
in
the
code.
I
Now
you
know
they
don't
really
have
sidewalks
in
the
right
place.
They
don't
really
have
trees
and
other
you
know,
sort
of
considerations
that
are
natural
and
that
we
want
to
see
in
the
urban
environment.
So
certainly
we
don't
want
to
create
the
impression
that
you
know
a
district
is
all
buildings
and
nothing
else,
and
that's
sometimes
what
the
existing
images
too.
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
them
quickly
here,
zach,
if
you
actually,
if
you
could
skip
two
ahead,
these
are
duplicate,
slides.
D
F
Of
all,
I
think
that,
hopefully,
some
people
had
a
chance
to
read
your
memo
regarding
the
changes
that
are
being
made.
What
we're
seeing
here
now,
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
What
we're
seeing
here
now
is
what
article
2
essentially
would
be
condensed
to.
This
would
be
the
entire
article
2
as
revised.
Is
that
correct.
I
I'm
going
to
get
into
that
further
in
the
slide
I
just
wanted
to
go
over,
but
generally
yes,
most
of
the
content
in
article
2
is
either
duplicative
or
should
reside
somewhere
else
within
the
code,
so
we're
proposing
to
just
simplify
it
and
have
the
the
different
districts
purpose
statements
and
the
graphic
image.
The
rest
of
the
content
would
either
be
relocated
or
it's
already
existing
somewhere
else.
In
the
code.
F
F
I
This
could
be
what
it
would
look
like
this.
This
was
just
so
council
members
could
get
an
idea
of
the
individual
districts
without
overthinking
of
it
overthinking
it
just
here's
the
here's,
the
district,
here's
its
purpose
and
here's
a
general
image
of
what
that
district
looks
like.
So
it's
separate
from
any
code
change
I'm
going
to
get
into
the
the
changes
as
we
move
forward.
I
I
I
I
Okay,
this
is
just
to
give
it
so.
The
first
section
in
each
of
these
article,
two
zoning
districts,
is
the
concept
drawing,
and
this
just
shows
the
example
of
what
pre-existing
image
in
the
rt
I'm
using
the
rt
district
as
an
example.
So
we
don't
go
through
every
district
there'll
be
similar
changes
made
to
every
district.
This
shows
the
rt
image
before
and
the
rt
image.
The
new
image
that
was
purchased
so
zach
can
go
to
the
next
and
then
section
b
of
each
district.
Section
is
the
purpose
statement.
I
I
To
me
that
speaks
to
more
of
a
guidance
document
that
was
in
a
draft
of
the
code.
I
don't
really
see
its
purpose
in
the
in
the
general
code.
Certainly
we
don't
want
to
convey
that
any
of
the
standards
aren't
applicable
and
really
the
only
section
that's
not
listed
here
out
of
the
the
375.4
would
be
375
402,
which
is
form
based
zone.
So
really
that's
the
only
difference
you're
going
to
see
in
any
of
these
tables,
so
our
proposal
is
just
to
remove
those
tables.
I
I
We
were
looking
at
adding
some
standards
here
and
it
just
became
really
complicated,
because
then
we
were
going
to
have
to
go
and
update
each
of
these
individual
images.
So
what
we're
thinking
of
doing
is
taking
this
exonometric
drawing
or
a
couple
of
these
and
putting
them
in
a
a
separate
section
in
the
back
called
rules
of
construction,
it
would
accompany
the
definitions
and
it
would
really
just
this
could
really.
In
most
cases,
you
know
could
be
a
detached
building,
but
the
standards
are
generally
the
same.
I
So
we
think
having
that
condensed
all
in
one
location,
since
it
is
somewhat
the
same
sort
of
it's,
it's
graphically
depicting
the
same
thing
in
a
lot
of
cases
in
a
more
complex
way,
and
then
you
know
the
standards
again
being
located
elsewhere
in
the
code.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
here
and
just
adding
some
additional
images
like
this
is
an
example
of
something
that
we
could
include
in
that
rules
of
construction.
That
shows
the
current.
This
speaks
to
the
current
regulations
for
building
stories.
I
I
I
think
the
original
intent
of
story
was
to
not
sort
of
have
people
cram
into
this
arbitrary
limit,
but
I
think
you
can
do
both
and
still
accomplish
that
purpose.
So
next
section
would
be
the
district
standard,
so
rt
has
a
good
number
of
district
standards.
They
are
generally.
Some
of
them
are
specific,
but
you're.
Looking
at
number
b
here,
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
portions
of
the
ground
floor
a
basement
floor,
a
residential
structure
that
was
physically
constructed
or
adapted
to
accommodate
non-residential
uses.
I
But
then
we
put
in
these
certain
carve
out
allowances
that
if
you
had
this
pre-existing
building
type
with
a
storefront,
we
really
don't
want
to
see
you
put
an
apartment
in
there
and
have
big
drapes
in
the
window
and
it
really
just
doesn't
look
appropriate
or
attractive.
In
addition,
some
light
commercial
uses
can
add
some
vibrancy
and
be
appropriate
within
neighborhoods.
You
can
see
the
hours
as
well.
I
8
am
to
10
pm
is
rather
constricted,
so
how
we
propose
dealing
with
this
standard,
for
example,
on
you
know,
given
that
we're
relocating
all
the
district
standards
are
proposing
to
I'm
just
giving
an
example
of
how
we
do
that
zach.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
our
solution
for
this
would
be
to
add
the
allowance
in
the
permitted
use
table
with
a
a
footnote
of
sorts
that
would
speak
to
that
provision.
So
that's
allowing
that's
showing
you
that
you
know
the
r2rt.
I
This
use
is
permitted,
but
only
if,
in
that
you
got
to
look
at
number
one.
Only
in
that
circumstance
there's
a
lot
of
people
miss
that
now
and
it's
not
totally
fair
when
you're
reading
a
table
and
it's
conveying
something
and
it's
not
being
highly
truthful
because
that
is
allowed.
There
are
other
cases
where
something
says
it's
allowed,
but
it's
really
heavily
restricted
through
a
proximity
radius.
I
mean
blood
plasma
or
something
like
that.
We'd
probably
have
a
foot
note
in
the
table
as
well.
I
Provide
another
example
of
of
content,
probably
being
in
the
wrong
place.
This
was
you
know
something
we
added
for
pre-existing
residential
properties,
because
townhouse
district
in
particular
have
a
lot
of
multi-family
properties
just
the
way
we,
in
fact,
there
are
whole
blocks
that
are
largely
multi-family,
but
that
are
zoned
townhouse,
and
what
we
generally
heard
from
constituents
in
these
areas
was
that
they
were
okay
with
most
of
the
existing
multi-family
properties.
They
acknowledged
them.
They
had
been
there
for
a
while,
but
they
didn't
want
to
necessarily
see
new
multi-family
properties.
I
I
I
I
It's
a
very
convoluted,
convoluted
way
of
getting
at
that
issue.
It
would
have
been
easier
to
just
say
that
block
is
owned,
multi-family
and
put
in
provision
for
the
conversions,
but
due
to
a
variety
of
reasons.
That's
not
the
way
it
turned
out,
but
I
think
it
resulted
in
because
you
know
we
were
specifically
speaking
to
that
targeted
issue.
I
It
made
sense
in
the
context
of
dialogue
and
opened
and
adopted
the
code
to
put
it
in
that
section
for
a
townhouse
that
everyone
was
viewing
and
looking
at,
but
in
the
general
course
of
using
the
code.
I
don't
think
that's
the
appropriate
place
board.
I
think
that's
mostly
the
case
with
most
of
the
standards
in
the
in
the
district
standards.
I
They
do
I
mean
we
know,
because
we,
you
know,
we
people
come
into
the
office
all
the
time.
You
know
that
they're
not
necessarily
aware
of
that
so
zach
next
slide
and
then
this
is
other
content
which
is
a
little
bit
harder
to
find
a
place
for,
but
it
does
apply
across
multiple
districts
and
it
really
comes
down
to,
and
this
is
something
I
think
we
need
feedback
on.
I
It's
always
been
a
a
conversation
piece
in
the
city
of
albany,
since
I've
been
here
and
it's
the
ability
to
convert
or
not
convert
or
under
what
conditions
convert
existing
dwellings.
That
may
be
a
one
family
dwelling.
They
may
be
new
family,
you're,
looking
to
add
additional
units,
and
obviously
investors
and
such
are
always
looking
to
add
additional
units.
In
some
cases
it
can
be
beneficial
in
you
know,
increasing,
affordable
housing
in
some
circumstance,
but
we
want
to
be
done
in
a
way
that
doesn't
totally
wreck
the
building,
so
it
can't
be
reversed.
I
You
know
these
are
standards
that
apply
now
that
currently
reside
in
the
in
the
district
standard
section
of
the
rt,
the
r2,
and
there
may
be
maybe
in
the
rm
as
well.
So
this
we
don't.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
solution
for
yet
it
could
reside
in
these
specific
standards
under
single
family
or
two
family
dwellings.
We
may
want
to
create
a
new
section
of
code
for
it
or
we
may
decide.
We
don't
want
to
see
people
pursuing
conversions
of
houses.
I
I
mean,
I
think,
that
in
the
right
circumstances
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
cases
where
someone
has
a
one
family
house,
townhouse
downtown
and
they
want
to
add
a
unit
in
the
basement
to
supplement
their.
You
know
pay
the
mortgage
totally
reasonable.
I
think
you
know
this
is
sort
of
a
back
end
way
of
getting
at
home
ownership,
which
is
not
something
we're
supposed
to
regulate
through
zoning.
I
So
I
do
caution
that
approach
or
sentiment,
but
I
mean
there
are
consequences
from
other
avenues
too
of
you
know,
breaking
up
buildings
that
were
built
for
one
purpose
to
be
another
purpose.
Sometimes
that's
a
good
good
and
necessarily
thing
when
you
have
a
10,
000
square
foot,
townhouse
downtown,
I
mean
there's
not
really
a
big
market
for
10,
000
square
foot
houses
but
other
times
you
know
it's
not
necessarily
what
we
want
to
see.
I
So
you
know
we
kind
of
want
to
tease
out
whether
these
provisions
are
working
when
they
have
gone
to
the
planning
board
generally,
they
have
been
approved,
so
we
do
want
to
get
feedback
on
whether
that
that
process
is
working
or
not
I'll.
Leave
that
conversation
largely
for
another
day,
although
you
know
you're,
welcome
to
chime
in
zach
just
moving
on.
I
think.
B
F
I
Yeah
and
I
think
originally,
when
we
were
doing
the
drafting,
we
had,
you
know,
identified
certain
building
types
that
may
be
appropriate
for
certain
types
of
conversions
versus
other.
I
feel
like
it
got
dumbed
down
a
little
bit
when
it
got
actually
the
final
version
of
the
code,
so
we
could
sort
of
revisit
that
as
well.
I
This
is
something
we're
considering
and
I'm
just
going
to
be
really
quick
on
this,
but
the
form-based
zoning
districts.
They
each
have
a
regulating
plan,
and
within
that
regulating
plan,
there
are
four
form-based
districts
within
that
regulating
plan
are
sort
of
these
sub
regulating
areas
or
districts
that
really.
That
is
how
the
zoning
is
applied.
I
So
one
of
the
things
we're
contemplating
as
a
sort
of
a
bigger
issue
to
come
out
of
this
out
of
this
process
or
to
follow
it
up,
is
taking
these
districts
and
actually
not
calling
them
mixed
use,
form-based,
warehouse
or
form-based
south
end,
but
creating
districts
that
are
mixed-use
core
walkable
center
industrial
warehouse
and
there's
a
couple
of
others.
Now
that
wouldn't
change
anything
fundamentally
for
how
these
districts
are
regulated.
I
So
I
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
but
it
does,
as
you
can
see,
it
would
give
us
some
ability,
some
additional
districts
to
sort
of
work
with,
and
I've
always
felt
that
maybe
we
needed
a
couple
of
extra
district
districts
to
deal
with
neighborhoods
that
are
developing.
That
want
a
little
bit
more
of
a
conveyance
of
allowances.
I
You
know
there
may
be
some
some
areas
that
are
again.
I
just
think
it's
it's
it's
better
to
have
more
options
available
and
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
their
people
feel
that
there
are
certain
districts
missing
there
may
be
an
ability
to
you
know,
use
this
to
tweak.
Some
of
the
existing
districts
to
you
know
have
have
similar
but
slightly
different
conveyances.
I
I
know
in
some
cases
we
have
lower
building
heights
in
lower
areas
of
the
city
and
maybe
that's
more
appropriate
at
the
the
mixed
use,
nc
district,
for
instance,
you
know,
there's
a
disagreement.
Four
stories
in
on
lark
street
is
not
a
lot,
but
four
stories
on
you
know:
new
scotland
or
western
avenues
is
more
significant.
So
again,
there
may
be
a
way
through
these
changes
to
to
make
some
of
those
distinctions.
I
That's
the
idea
we
need
to
flesh
it
out,
there's
a
lot
of
content
related
to
form
based
that
all
needs
to
be
sort
of
evaluated,
for
how
this
would
impact
that
so
not
having
gotten
into
that
detail.
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
as
a
part
of
this
process,
but
I
think
these
are
the
issues
we're
trying
to
identify
that.
May
you
know,
as
we
finish
this
process,
maybe
this
is
the
next
issue
that
we
tackle
over
the
footness
issues
going
forward.
I
I
F
I
J
The
next
one
was
just
the
e
code,
I'm
renumbering
just
since
councilmember
hawaii
had
brought
that
up,
but
that
was
already
addressed
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
and
then
this
is
a
reminder
for
the
project
website
and
then
some
of
the
other
slides
were
just
reference,
slides
that
were
included
in
the
previous
presentation,
but
there
were
no
content
changes
as
a
component
of
them,
so
they
were
just
there
if
we
had
questions
on
them
or
comments
on
them.
Oh.
I
And
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I'm
in
the
dark
here
I
didn't.
Even
I
wasn't
looking
at
my
own
video,
so
I
didn't
know
that
but
yeah
and
I'm
not
I'm
not.
I
did
email
e-code
to
follow
up.
I
I
don't
really
understand.
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
hate
on
them
but
they're.
You
know
they
uploaded
it
twice
without
asking
us
and
then
we
asked
them
and
they're
taking
a
while
to
get
it
up.
So
I'm
a
little
perplexed,
but.
E
E
I
read
that
15
years
ago
recently
came
up,
but
one
of
the
questions
I
have
for
you
is
when
you
were
looking
at
the
table-
and
you
said
these
are
like
footnotes.
Well,
we
have
hypertech.
So
if
you
went
to
that,
if
you're
online
you're
looking
at
it
and
you
click
on
it-
is
that
something
we
can
do
where
you
can
just
click
on
it
and
get
like.