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Part 2
A
A
We
have
discussed
the
two
resolutions
on
the
agenda
and
we
were
we
had
some
technical
difficulties
and
we
now
we're
we'll
be
discussing
ordinance,
13,
21
21
and
the
ordinance
amending
chapter
323
of
the
streets,
streets
and
sidewalks
of
the
code
of
city
of
albany
by
adding
a
new
article
7
entitled
small
cell
wireless
facilities
in
city
rights
of
way.
A
So
that's
an
oversight
and
I
think
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
have
somebody
from
the
planning
department
here
as
well.
A
A
You
know
our
conversation
with
verizon
and
at
t
was,
you
know,
pretty
interesting
and
brought
up
a
lot
of
issues
and
concerns
that
we
have
with
the
franchise
agreements,
but
also
you
know
what
we
might
like
to
see
in
the
ordinance,
and
I
know
I
have
a
question
again
brett.
If
we
do
pass
this
ordinance-
and
there
are
some-
you
know-
differences
between
what's
in
the
ordinance
and
what's
in
these
franchise
agreements,
what
does
that
mean.
B
That
is
a
good
question.
I
mean
generally
an
agreement.
I
suppose
the
ordinance
would
probably
govern
because
it.
C
I
generally
believe
our
ordinance
is
the
supplement
to
the
franchise
agreement,
because
everything
I
recall
from
the
franchise
agreement
is
subject
to
local
regulations.
So
I
believe
it's
one
in
this.
It's
you
have
the
franchise
agreement
which
talks
about
the
specific
company
and
then
the
overall
is
the
ordinance.
That's
how
they
all
pull
from.
A
C
A
The
franchise,
I
believe,
can
we
can
we
get
we'd
like
to
be
sure
about
that.
I
think.
B
That's
important
look
into
that
and,
as
I
said
during
the
other
portion
of
the
meeting
I
mean
the
ordinance
is
only
really
going
to
come
into
play
here.
Once
the
carriers
I.e,
verizon
and
att
actually
make
applications
for
small
sale
placements,
and
you
know,
then
their
applications
would
have
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance.
You
know
the
agreement
is
just
the
city
saying
that
you
know
they
have.
B
A
So
so
you
think
if
we
so
we
could
conceivably
approve
these
well,
you
know,
pass
the
resolutions
and
then
pass
an
ordinance
that
has
some
changes
in
it
and
then
it
would
be
once
they
file
the
application.
They
would
have
to
adhere
to
our
ordinance.
B
I
mean
off
the
top
of
my
head,
not
having
everything
up
in
front
of
me
at
the
moment.
I
I
can't
think
of
any
instances
in
which
the
agreement
and
the
ordinance
would
be
contradictory
to
one
another
sort
of
as
jr
said,
they're
more
complimentary.
They
they
sort
of
serve
different
functions.
I
guess
is
my
point.
A
Well,
they
they
should
compliment
each
other,
but
you
know
we
we're
bringing
up
points
in
the
past.
You
know
in
our
past,
in
the
meeting
here
tonight
that
you
know
we'd
like
more
of
assurance
on
certain
things.
A
Well,
that
those
are
the
agree
in
the
agreement.
Okay,
so
the
ordinance
could
have
more.
You
know,
specific
information.
Information
that
was
was
more,
you
know,
would
provide
more
certainty
in
certain
areas.
C
B
The
other
thing
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
here
is
that
the
fcc
guidance
has
stated
that
aesthetic
standards
have
to
be
essentially
applied
evenly
across
the
board.
So
you
can't
have
one
set
of
aesthetic
standards
for
att
and
another
set
for
verizon.
They
have
to
be.
D
And
in
that
there
needs
to
be
a
master
license
agreement
and,
to
some
extent
what
is
in
that
I
I
have
a
little
bit
different
take
on
this.
It's
good.
D
D
D
So
that's
what
I
I
have
seen
as
being
the
benefit
and
why
I
had
anticipated
that
this
would
have
been
forthcoming.
Some
time
ago
before
there
were
actually
the
negotiations.
A
D
B
A
Well,
I
I
I
just
want
to
I
mean
say
we
do
add
something
something
in
addition
to
the
ordinance.
You
know
we've
been
talking
a
lot.
I
mean
we're
gonna
have
that
discussion
with
verizon
about
placement
of
those
facilities,
but
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
put
in
the
ordinance?
You
know
some
kind
of
get
better,
more
assurance
that
we're
going
to
have
the
facilities
placed
in
underserved
neighborhoods.
I
mean
that
was
the
big
thing
really
for
me.
C
A
And
like
I'll,
give
you
an
example,
you
know
the
following:
are
the
most
preferred
locations
for
the
sighting
of
new
small
facilities,
wireless
facilities
preferred
location,
you
know,
and
then
it's
the
language
in
here
is
not.
A
Hard
and
fast-
maybe
we
don't,
it
says
they
want
them
on
non-historic
buildings,
upon
which
the
small
wireless
facility
can
be
camouflaged
to
match
existing
materials.
A
It
you
know,
maybe
we
would
decide
that
you
know
that
they
shouldn't
be
placed
certain
places.
You
know
it's
a
more
certain
language,
so
I'm
just
saying
what,
if
we
do
make
some
changes
here,
will
that
affect
the.
A
And
people
who
just
came
on
board
tom
and
alfredo
you
were
here,
but
I
was
saying
that
we,
I
think
we
should
have
someone
from
the
planning
department
here,
because
the
ordinance
talks
a
lot
about
the
powers
of
the
cpo.
Well,
I
think
it's
important
that
they
weigh
in
on.
A
That
anybody
have
any
comments.
E
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
it
just
makes
sense
to
have
someone
planning
here
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
reading
advice
that
and
that's
gonna
get
sent
out.
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
you
know
we'll
reach
out
again
to
planning
and
come
up
with
a
new
date,
and
so
it's
not
as
important
then
that
we
passed
this
ordinance
before
approval
of
these
franchise
agreements.
B
No
subject
to
me
confirming
that
my
suspicion
is
correct
about
how
it
worked,
then,
no,
I
think
the
agreements
could
be
approved
before
the
ordinance
was
passed.
It
would
just
be
a
matter
of
the
timing
of
the
applications.
Then.
At
that
point
I
guess.
A
B
So
the
fc
that
governs
just
applications
so
once
an
application
is
made
again,
I
don't
have
the
fcc
guidance
policy
in
front
of
me,
but
the
fcc
has
prescribed
certain
time
limitations
during
what
in
which
the
city
has
to
consider
and
either
approve
or
deny
applications.
So
I
think,
if
I
remember
correctly,
if
it's
for
a
co-location,
the
city
has
60
days
according
to
the
fcc,
to
consider
and
make
a
determination
on
an
application
for
a
co-location.
B
C
B
And
yeah
I
mean
unless
I'm
that
that's
coming
straight
out
of
the
fcc
guidance
document
that
we've
been
referring
to
for
all
these
things.
I
didn't
see
anything
in
there
about
the
franchise
agreements,
that's
not
to
say
it
doesn't.
F
E
Meanwhile,
where
are
we
on
the
chat
coin?
I
mean
what
what
time,
how
much
time
has
passed
at
this
point?
How
much
time
we
have
left
to
make
it
well.
B
A
G
G
B
Not
that
I'm
aware
of
councilmember
hoeya,
that's
not
to
say
that
there
isn't
a
limit,
I'm
just
not
aware
of
one.
I
think
we
also
have
a
franchise
agreement
with
extranet
at
this
point,
so
that
would.
C
Be
at
least,
and
I
believe,
one
for
t-mobile,
maybe
coming
down
the
pipelines
at
some
point.
A
G
A
G
F
With
regard
to
franchise
agreements,
it
says
for
all
fcc
shot
clocks
except
eligible
facility
facilities,
request
all
permits
and
authorizations
for
wireless
facilities
must
be
approved
or
denied
within
the
applicable
shot
clock
period.
Unless
the
applicant
agrees
to
to
a
different
time
frame.
This
would
include
all
types
of
permits
and,
if
applicable,
a
franchise
and
license
agreement
to
use
city
infrastructure
such
as
street
lights
and
where.
C
A
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
throw
this
out
there.
We
have
x
number
of
poles,
we
we
now
own
our
our
street
lights.
So
we
know
how
many
poles
we
have.
We
know
where
they
are.
We
have
all
that
information.
Now,
after
many
years
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
I
was
kind
of
checking
into
what
new
york
city's
franchise
agreements
are,
and
one
of
the
things
they
did
in
new
york
city
to
make
sure
that
their
underserved
neighborhoods
got
these
facilities.
A
Is
they
only
somehow,
I
don't
understand
how
they're
doing
it,
but
they
only
each
period,
and
I
forget
how
long
the
periods
are.
They'll
only
make
available
x,
number
of
polls
and
they're
in
different
neighborhoods.
So
I
don't
know
how
that
was
the
way
they
get.
The
coverage
that
we're
looking
for
was.
C
C
I
just
because,
because,
generally
more
because
the
way
new
york
city's
light,
poles
are
set
up,
there's
more
light
poles
in
the
underserved
areas,
but
they
when
they
were
doing
the
link
new
york
city,
they
try
to
prioritize
the
underserved.
So
I
would
for
me
they
would,
I
think
they
limited
for
the
for
the
lynx
nyc,
which
is
the
big
information
board
that
they
have.
A
Well,
anyway,
it
was
a
thought
it
was.
I
thought
it
sounded
like
a
way
to.
I
would
just
have
been
curious
as
to
how
they
they
did
that
that
would
be
jr.
I
thought
it
was
light
pulse,
so
I
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
thought
that
was
an
interesting
way
to
get
around
making
sure
that
all
the
neighborhoods
got
these
facilities.
E
Yeah
I
mean:
can
we
find
that
out?
Is
that?
Is
it
possible
to
find
out?
If
we
could,
you
know,
auction
off
the
boss
and
have
them?
You
know
open
up
sections
certain
numbers,
because
it
looks
sounds
to
me
like
at
some
point
we're
going
to
have
one
of
these
little
boxes
on
every
other
blast,
and
if
you
get
all
these
different
provided.
E
D
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
reasonable
to
essentially
require
that
when
applications
come
in
no
more,
you
know
we're
not
gonna
that
the
chief
planning
official
can't
approve
more
polls
in
one
ward
or
another.
D
If
there
is,
or
maybe
one
maybe
we
want
to
do
it
in
census-
tracts
because
that's
a
little
smaller
and
there
are
certain
wards
that
have
you
know
are
have
parts
that
are
underserved
so.
B
D
D
B
I'm
not
saying
there's
not
a
way
to
accomplish
that.
I
think
we
just
need
to
bear
in
mind
that
the
fcc
guidance
says
that
our
standards
can't
cannot
be
more
burdensome.
They
can
be
no
more
burdensome
than
those
applied
to
other
types
of
infrastructure
deployments.
So
that's
just
something
we
needed.
C
Yeah
and
the
other
another
thing
we
want
to
be
mindful
of
it's,
not
just
our
existing
street
light
poles
they.
You
know
this
also
allows
for
new
poles
in
general,
as
what
I've
seen
in
some
of
my
research
on
this
could
also
be
traffic
lights
as
well.
These
facilities
can
can
affix
to
a
lot
of
many
different
things,
because,
with
the
5g
network,
this
is
trying
to.
This
is
trying
to
become
the
next
way
of
internet.
D
That's
you
know
they're
trying
to
get
rid
of
the
wires,
essentially
wow.
With
regard
to
other
infrastructure
we
require,
you
know.
National
grid
provides
electricity
every
place.
Our
water
and
sewer
department
provides
water
and
sewer
every
place.
B
F
C
Well,
the
other
thing
is,
I
want
to
say
is
that
spectrum
verizon
these
agreements
are
separate
and
apart
they're,
not
one
they're,
not
they're,
apples
and
oranges.
So
I
just
want
to
get
that
distinction,
but
with
the
small
cell
facility
it's
more
of
a,
I
can't
even
describe
it
it's
more
of
a
where
they
place
it
because
it
has
to
be
one
in
equals.
It
has
to
be
an
equal
nonvergence
of
waste,
because
the.
C
One
way
that
you
know
having
them
go
on
our
street
polls,
but
they
can
also
say
well.
We'd
rather
put
a
new
poll,
and
the
fcc
order
allows
that
as
well.
C
G
Could
we
bring
in
that
they
have
to
do
per
population
that
that's
the
way
we
can
get?
You
know
equity
that
equal
parts
of
the
you
know
population
is
served.
B
I
guess
I'm
not
really
in
a
position,
as
I
said
here
tonight,
to
speak
to
any
particular
requirement.
I
I
think
any
any
requirement
we
would
have
we
would
come
up
with.
We
would
have
to
look
at
pretty
closely
as
compared
against
the
fcc
guidance
on
the
standard,
so
I
mean
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think
these
are
all
proposals
that
are
aiming
towards
a
noble
goal.
That's
in
line
with
our
equity
agenda.
B
I
think
we
just
all
I'm
saying
is:
we
need
to
be
careful
in
how
we
apply
these
things
and
if
we
were
to
find
them,
we
need
to
make
sure
they
are
in
line
with
fcc
regulations.
A
It
might
be
worth
pursuing,
though,
and
then
to
find
out.
You
know
what
kind
of
trouble
we
could
get
into
with
it.
A
D
You
know
I
dave
has
a
lot
of
experience.
You
know
he's
knowledgeable
about
this,
mr
brennan
and
I'm
thinking.
Maybe
somebody
ought
to
get
in
touch
with
him
and
say:
hey
you
know,
so
you
know
what
what
kind
of
language
already
exists
or
might
be
out
there.
You
know
that
addresses
this,
that
your
client
might
be
amenable
to
since
they're
saying
they're
going
to
be
providing.
D
E
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
everybody.
I
think
we
need
to
do
this
right
and
take
out
time
and
make
sure
we
we
figure
something
out.
It
benefits
all
of
our
residents,
especially
almost
vulnerable,
because
you
know
these
companies
are
going
to
make
they're
going
to
make
the
the
their
profit
of
this
a
lot
more
than
what
the
fees
they're
charging
us
or
we're
charging
them.
E
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
get
the
best
service,
for
you
know
our
most
vulnerable
communities
as
well,
so
yeah
and
it
I
think
it's
gonna-
be
much
more
research
and
maybe
even
using
the
census
tract
or
something
that's
a
little
more
specific,
so
that
we
actually
get
targeted
groups
trying
to
get
in
the
targeted
neighborhoods
that
have
had
to
deal
with
this
in
the
most
negative
way.
B
And
if
you
council
members
have
proposals
to
that
effect
that
you,
you
would
like
to
explore
whether
it's
using
census,
tracts
or
you
know
any
any
other
metric
feel
free
to
send
those
to
me,
and
I
can
start
trying
to,
I
guess,
vet
those
proposals
to
see
if
it's,
if
they're
avenues
we
might
be
able
to
pursue,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
D
We're
talking
about
the
general
gist
of
what
we
want
to
accomplish,
and
I
do
think
that
it
can
be
very
worthwhile
to
talk
to
dave
brennan
about
if
he
has
any
examples
or
thoughts,
so
that
we're
not
trying
to
reinvent
the
wheel
if
there's
already
something
that
is
addressing
this
or
if
he
has
in
his
experience,
you
know
potential
solutions
that
get
us
to.
Yes,
I
think
that
I
think
that
that
this.
D
D
One,
if
not
the
most
significant
issue
that
we're
looking
at
trying
to
address.
I
think
that
I
think
that
we,
if
we
entered
into
these
agreements
and
then
found
that
oh
well
they're
not
unduly
discriminating
against
presidents,
but
it
just
so
happens
that
the
deployment
happens
to
be
in
the
ninth
ward
and
the
fourteenth
ward
and
the
eighth
ward
substantially.
D
First.
I
I
think
that
that
would
be.
D
Well,
you
know
actually,
though,
kathy
when
they
were
talking
about
where
their
high
impact
areas
are,
where
there's
a
lot
of
competition
about
it.
You
know
they
were
talking
about
you
know
in
and
around
the
schools,
so
I
would
think
that
there's
going
to
be
deployment
immediately
right
around
albany
high
school,
which
is
you
know,
part
of
the
11th
ward,
that
is
considered
to
be
an
underserved
area.
D
D
Right,
it's
not
even
it's
not
even
so
when
alfredo
is
talking,
oh
we're
going
to
have
it
on
every
block
or
every
other
block.
It's
like.
No,
they
need
to
put
like
four
of
them
on
ramsay
place
is
kind.
You
know
so
500
feet,
you
figure.
The
average
street
frontage
is
about
30
to
40
feet,
so
every
10
to
12
houses.
D
So
she
said
500.
Somebody
else
in
the
in
the
presentation
said
a
thousand.
C
D
G
A
A
You
know
alfredo
there
are
people
who
and
websites
actually
that
talk
that
are
very
concerned
about
the
these.
I
don't
know
what
do
you
call
waves
or
so
on,
but
I
think
it's
all
been.
You
know
there's
plenty
of
people
who
think
that
that
is
not
the
case,
that
there
are
no
health
issues
related.
G
They
do
they
do
cover
it
in
the
documents
they
sent
us
that
they're
fcc
compliant
whether
the
fcc
is
up
to
date
is
another
story.
A
All
right
and-
and
there
I
was
looking
at
there-
are
municipalities
that
you
know
they
won't
they've
agreed
not
to
have
these
wireless
facilities
placed
in
their
towns
as
a
result
of
that.
So
it's
not
you
know
there
is
concern
out
there.
E
E
Maybe
we
could
also
bring
somebody
from
you
know,
health
sciences,
to
give
us
some.
You
know
better
information
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
something.
That's
going
to
be
safe,
especially
if
we're
going
to
be
putting
these
all
over
the
city.
We
may
not
be
in
the
next
year
or
two,
but
you
know
maybe
it
may
be
in
the
next
year.
I
mean
depends
how
quick
this
is
supposed
to
replace
the
wire.
A
I
know
there's
someone
at
new
albany
who
speaks
out
against.
G
B
Was-
and
I
couldn't
give
you
an
answer
right
now-
I
don't
have
a
good
answer
to
that
specific
question
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
think,
generally
speaking
the
scientific,
I
won't
say
consensus
necessarily,
but
I
think,
generally
speaking,
the
science
indicates
that
5g
is
safe
and,
as
councilmember
holly
said,
the
fcc
has
come
down
on
that
side
of
things
that
5g
has
saved.
So
I
mean
I
don't
know.
I
would
have
to
look
into
that
specific
question
as
to
whether
we
can
prohibit
5g
from
coming
into
the
city
on
those
grounds.
B
E
It's
good
to
know
if
we
have
options,
I
mean,
and
it's
a
question
that
I
I
would
definitely
ask
when
they
come
back
again
and
I'll
do
some
of
my
own
research
and
maybe
we
can
bring
somebody
in.
I
think
we
have
to
at
least
do
our
due
diligence,
especially
you
know
the
more
I
think
about
it.
It's
wanting.
B
E
At
least
look
into
it,
you
know
so.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
All
right
j.r
is
that
something
you
could
get
some
get
us
some
information
on.
A
Thank
you,
so
I
think
for
now
I
judy.
As
far
as
dave
brennan
is
concerned,
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
reach
out
to
him.
Maybe
are
you
interested
in
being
part
of
that
having
a
phone
conversation
with
him,
I.
D
I
think,
ultimately,
what
I'm
looking
for
is
you
know
what
you
know,
somebody
doing
the
research
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
get
at
our
ultimate
objective
that
we're
talking
about
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
ways
you
can
slice
and
dice
it.
I'm
just
thinking
that
if
we
have
some
buddy
with
experience
that
that
that's
one
of
the
first
places
I
like
to
go
to
bat
around
ideas
with
with
people
about.
A
Okay,
so
anything
else
before
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
to
set
up
another
date,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
planning,
make
sure
you
know
see.
We
need
them
involved
in
this.
A
And
we'll
have
we'll.
A
We'll
want
to
get
some
info
more
information.
People
want
to
think
more
about,
what's
being
proposed
in
the
resolutions
as
well
and
we'll
set
up
another
meeting
date.