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Description
The Committee interviewed candidates for the Board of Zoning Appeals (Resolution 104.112.20R to 109.112.20R).
A
Go
okay
good
evening:
everyone!
This
is
the
thursday
november
19
2020
meeting
of
the
albany
common
council's
planning
economic
development
and
land
use
committee
committee
members
present
include
tom
hoey,
councilmember,
joyce
love
myself,
kathy
fahey,
other
council
members
present
richard
conte
and
awusu
annani,
and
we
have
our
planning
staff,
director,
brad,
glass
and
amy
levine
from
the
corporation
council's
office
and
council
member
alfredo
ballerin
just
joined
us
welcome,
alfredo
he's
also
on
the
committee
and
our
staff,
michelle
andre
and
john
rafael
picardo.
Thank
you.
A
Everyone
for
coming
we're
here
this
evening
to
review
the
mayor's
appointments
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
These
are
three-year
terms
and
we'll
be
we'll
be
interviewing.
A
Six
members
tonight
we're
going
to
start
with.
There
are
three
three:
are
new
appointments,
and
then
there
are
three
reappointments.
A
The
first
individual
that
we
will
be
interviewing
is
paige
barnum
and
she
is
filling
she
would
be
a
new
appointment
and
to
fill
a
position
and
there's
some
discrepancy
as
to
when
her
appointment
would
finish
up
richard.
You
thought
it
was.
A
I
have
down
here
from
the
mayor's
office
2021
there.
They
there's
some
confusion
about
that
expiration.
B
Yes,
I
believe
she
was
appointed
to
fill
a
vacancy
that
previously
was
held
by
mike
apostle.
I
believe
mike
apostle
was
incorrectly
appointed
to
either
a
year
extra
or
a
year
shorter.
I
forget
what,
but
that's
where
the
discrepancy
is
so
well.
B
Okay,
I
mean
the
point
here
is:
is
the
terms
are
supposed
to
be
staggered
right
so
that
an
even
number
comes
up
every
year
with
an
odd
member
board?
Actually
you're
going
to
have
one
with
three
but
yeah?
It's
proposed
right
now,
it's
three
two,
three
one:
three!
It
should
be
three
two,
two
okay,
so
that
that
would
correct
the
staggering,
which
is
also
consistent
with
general
city
law,.
A
All
right
so
then
we
would
have
expiring
in
all
right.
Well,
so
then,
let's
go
ahead
with
page
and
we'll.
Let.
E
I
just
wanted
before
we
bring
the
candidates
in
richard.
Can
you
talk
about-
and
I
didn't
have
a
chance,
the
other
night,
to
ask
this
question,
but
richard
we're
talking
about
shrinking
the
size
of
the
bza?
How
will
these,
what
we're
doing
tonight,
impact
that
are
we
talking
in
when
all
these
terms
expired.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
in
discussions
I've
had
with
the
mayor's
office
and
I
think
people
are
generally
favorable
towards
reducing
to
five.
That's
the
impression
I
get
at
least,
but
the
way
it
happens
is
you,
you
reduce
from
seven
to
five
in
compliance
with
general
city
law
through
vacancies.
B
So
you
don't
toss
anybody
off
unless
they
want
to.
You
know
resign
or
step
down
whatever,
but
it
comes
through
vacancies
and
I
believe,
will
have
enough
moving
forward
vacancies
going
forward
to
be
able
to
enact
an
ordinance
this
year
that
puts
in
place
a
reduction
that
will
take
place
at
some
point
when
those
vacancies
occur
or
people
cycle
out
and
would
back
down
to
five
members.
B
The
vacancy
is
when
the
seat
is
vacant,
and
I
don't
know
whether
jr
or
amy
can
correct
me,
but
you
know
if
a
term
ends
unless
that
point,
that
person
is
reappointed,
that
is
a
vacant
seat.
So
it's
up
to
the
mayor
as
to
whether
or
not
she
would
want
to
make
a
reappointment
or
appoint
someone
new.
Okay.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
so
why
don't
we
welcome
in
paige
barnum.
D
A
Yes
welcome.
Thank
you,
we're
so
glad
you
could
come
and
we're
glad
you
are
interested
in
serving
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
A
What
we
would
my
name's
kathy
fahey
and
as
we
go
around
asking
questions,
people
will
introduce
themselves
and
what
we
normally
do
is
ask
you
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
then
council
members
will
go
around
and
ask
questions.
D
All
right
so
to
introduce
myself
I'm
paige
barnum.
I
currently
work
for
new
york
state
as
a
parks
planner
with
the
office
of
parks,
recreation
and
historic
preservation.
Prior
to
that,
I
actually
worked
in
a
municipal
office
in
mississippi.
D
I
worked
in
the
planning
department
there.
As
a
municipal
planner,
I
oversaw
the
planning
board
in
the
historic
preservation
commission
part
of
my
responsibility.
There
was,
you
know
we
wrote
the
papers
for
the
planning
staff's
position
on
you
know
various
cases,
so
I
administered
those
boards.
I
helped
write
ordinance,
amend
ordinance.
D
I
have
a
graduate
degree
in
planning.
I
also
have
my
certification
with
the
american
planning
association,
my
aicp
american
institute
of
certified
planners,
and
why
I'm
interested
in
serving
on
the
board
is
one
I
like
civil
service,
as
is
evident
by
my
current
employment.
D
Also,
I
really
do
love
municipal
work
and
so
being
able
to
you
know,
talk
actively
about
zoning
and
planning
cases
is
different
than
what
I
do
in
my
planning
career
right
now.
So
it's
trying
to
get
you
know
the
best
of
both
worlds.
So,
between
giving
back
and
my
own
interest
as
dorky
as
it
sounds-
and
you
know,
zoning
and
planning
and
development
was
sort
of
my
interest
and
it
helps
me
you
know
feel
like
I'm
contributing
my
you
know.
D
I
don't
want
to
be
say,
expertise,
but
you
know
giving
back
the
knowledge
I've
gained
throughout
my
life
and
career
in
my
community.
A
Okay,
very
good!
So
let's
go
around
now
to
council
members,
we'll
start
with
committee
members,
any
questions
per
page.
G
E
Hi
paige:
what
school
did
you
get
your
graduate
degree
in
planning
from.
D
I
went
to
cornell,
so
I
you
know,
I'm
a
native
of
kansas,
so
learning
about
home
rule
was
really
fascinating,
studying
in
the
state
of
new
york
and
while
I
was
there,
I
had
an
opportunity
to
do
a
lot
of
work
volunteer-wise
with
different
communities
in
the
finger
lakes
region.
D
E
You
know
there's
15
wards
in
the
city
and
each
ward
is
different
and
unique
in
its
own
way,
but
it
is
still
part
of
the
the
greater
city
I'm
up
in
the
15th
ward,
the
last
ward
in
the
city
like
and
we're
right
on,
it's
more
it
used
to
be
rural,
it's
become
more
suburban
and
stuff,
and
I
the
people
I
represent,
do
have
a
concern
about
over
development.
E
Now
it's
not
that
we're
against
development
or
I'm
not
against
it,
but
it's
a
thoughtful
smart
fits
into
the
community
type
of
development,
I'm
from
queens
new
york
and
I
left
I
had
a
great
job
at
city
corp
and
I
left
it
because
it
was.
I
felt
I
didn't
like
that
closed
in
feeling
and
that's
why
I
moved
to
albany.
So
I'm
going
this
long
about
way
telling
you
it's
important
that
you're
going
to
be
on
this.
E
E
You're
going
to
do
you're
going
to
be
appointed
and
you're,
you
have
the
degree
and
stuff
and
planning
you
know
better,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
tell
you
gut.
You
know
how
people
feel
from
the
gut
up
here
about
it.
Now
I
didn't
have
much
experience
having
to
go
in
front
of
the
of
the
bza,
but
I
did
for
a
project
for
chase
manhattan
bank
and
it's
on
homestead
and
western
avenue.
I
drove
by
today.
E
It's
open
and
it
looks
beautiful,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
pushback
because
they
needed
a
certain
amount
of
parking
spaces
and
that
wasn't
allowed.
According
to
you
know
the
zoning
for
the
area-
and
it
was
kind
of
you
know
we
had
to
testify
for
what
neighbors
in
and
stuff
like
that
and
we
were
approved
and
if
you
ever
have
a
chance,
you're
driving
up
western
avenue
make
sure
you
look
at
it
because
they
really.
Even
though
there's
23
parking
spots
there,
they
did
landscaping,
they
have
wands
two
big
ones,
it.
G
D
Yeah
and
just
to
you
know,
comment
briefly
on
that,
so
the
city
I
worked
for
in
mississippi
experienced
110
growth
in
10
years.
It's
one
of
the
fastest
growing
micropolitans
in
the
country,
and
you
know
there
certainly
were
generations
of
families
that
are
like
I've
been
here.
Eight
generations
like
what
is
happening.
Why
are
all
these
outsiders?
Why
are
out
of
state
students
coming
because
it
was
a
college
town?
So
I
very
much
understand
you
know
the
reticence
towards
development
and
folks
feeling
a
real.
D
You
know
sense
of
ownership
for
where
they
live,
you
know
and
in
planning.
You
know
community
inputs,
one
of
the
most
important.
D
You
know
elements,
and
you
know
also
just
the
fact
that
you
have
to
actually
hear
people
and
you
can't
just
push
your
weight
around
and
really
letting
people
know
that
you
hear
them,
and
you
understand
where
they're
coming
from
you
know
super
important.
I
totally
get
it
so.
B
Thank
you
thanks
paige,
quick
question,
so
you're
you're
fairly
new
to
the
area
about
two
years
and
I'm
wondering,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
brought
you
up
here?
Was
it
just
the
job
or
was
it
things
that
were
happening
in
this
area
that
you
found
interesting,
and
would
you
find
your
you
know
being
relatively
new
to
the
area
of
positive
or
maybe
a
drawback
in
terms
of
how
you
might
look
at
zoning
issues
or
issues
before
the
bza
things
of
that
nature,
yeah
sometimes.
D
B
These
issues
come
with
understanding
the
people,
the
neighborhoods,
where
they've
been
where
we're
going
and
the
whole
range
of
things
that
are
out
there.
D
Right
so
to
first
answer
your
question,
how
I
ended
up
here
it
was
my
job
I
absolutely
loved
my
time
in
northern
mississippi.
But
what
brought
me
here
was
you
know
I
went
to
school
here
in
new
york,
not
albany,
but
I
love
new
york
state
and
I
was
sort
of
looking
for
a
job
that
would
allow
me
to
stop
being
such
an
I've
lived
in
a
myriad
of
cities.
D
Since
I
left
home
for
college,
I've
lived
in
los
angeles,
chicago
omaha,
I'm
from
wichita
kansas
and
I'm
you
know
I
sort
of
tire
of
always
packing
up
and
moving.
D
So
you
know
this
is
sort
of
my
way
of
like
staking
my
own,
like
residential
claim,
to
place
in
a
way,
and
you
know
I
think
there
is
a
tendency
of
my
generation
millennials
right
to
have
that
you
know
tendency
to
go
to
bigger
places,
and
I
I
really
tend
to
like
places
that
seem
to
have
a
chip
on
their
shoulder
or
feel
forgotten
and
overlooked
and
know
that
they
deserve
caring,
compassionate
professionals
as
well.
D
So,
rather
than
you
know,
stick
it
right
out
in
chicago
or
you
know,
go
down
to
new
york
city.
I
decided
to
come
here
and
I
find
that
I
forget
that
it's
not
normal
to
always
move
around
so
to
sort
of
transition.
To
your
second
question,
do
I
think
my
outsider
perspective
is
good
or
bad.
I
think
it's
kind
of
good
and
that
I
don't
have
the
same.
You
know
history
with
the
city
that
other
people
do
where
they
feel
like
bogged
down
by.
D
You
know
if
folks
complain
about
it
or
they're
like
oh,
it
used
to
be
this
way.
I
think
my
experience
in
other
places
gives
me
good
ideas
about.
What's
worked,
what
hasn't,
and
it
also
sort
of
alleviates
me
of
any
tendency
to
have
biases,
because
I
don't
necessarily
know
the
story
sorted
past
of
a
project
or
a
developer.
D
Some
might
think
that
handicaps
me
in
my
understanding
of
a
project,
but
I
like
to
think
it
you
know,
makes
me
an
impartial
judge,
and
I
can
look
better
at
the
facts,
and
you
know
understand
that
it's
you
know
my
responsibility
to
look
at.
What's
legal
and
not
legal,
not
just
like
how
I'm
feeling
or
my
you
know,
you
know
I
may
have
been
burnt
by
something
that
happened
in
my
own
neighborhood
and
I
don't
think
I
have
that
baggage
per
se.
So
I
think
my
relative
newness
is
an
advantage.
B
A
D
Your
role,
I
think,
I'm
pretty
good
I've
you
know
had
the
opportunity
and
I
serve
on
the
executive
board
for
the
capital
district
planning
association,
which
is
at
various
times
had
city
of
albany
planners,
also
serve
on
the
board.
So
I've,
you
know
familiarized
myself
with
boards
and
functions
in
that
way
so
and
everyone's
been
very
responsive
via
email.
So,
if
anything
comes
to
mind,
okay,.
A
And
your
time,
commitment
and
so
on
has
all
been
explained:
yep
very
terrific.
In
that
case,
we
really
appreciate
again
that
you're
willing
to
serve
and
yes
go
ahead.
C
Yeah
other
members
yeah.
I
just
had
a
question
you
know.
I
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
serving
in
a
board
of
zoning.
My
question
is
more
so
you
know
I
represent.
Tell
you
a
little
bit
about
myself.
I
represent
the
pine
hills:
neighborhood,
the
10th
ward,
midtown,
pine
hills.
C
It's
not
the
houses
particularly
have
been
in
decline
all
across
our
city
and
there's
been
a
new
energy
for
developers
to
want
to
invest
in
our
city.
But
there
are
some
individuals,
you
know
small
groups
here
and
there
that
always
has
this
type
of
mentality.
Where
sentiment
towards
not
in
my
backyard
mentality,
have
you
heard
about
the
term
nimbyism
body
chance.
C
You
know
if
you
are
to
be
appointed,
but
very
too
often
there's
going
to
be
special
interests
who
are
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
you.
There's
going
to
be
mayor
at
the
administration
office,
they're
going
to
be
individuals
from
all
over
that's
going
to
try
to
get
you
to
support
their
actions.
Can
you
give
us
an
example
of
where
you
could
be
independent
or
how
much,
when
a
small
group
of
residents
come
in
opposition
to
a
development
that
it
might
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
as
a
whole?
D
Yeah,
so
just
to
give
you
you
know
my
interpretation
of
nimbyism,
obviously
not
in
my
backyard
and
it's
sort
of
the
fear
of
change
and
that
change
will
push
folks
out.
You
know-
and
I
understand
that
there
you
know
there
are
two
sides
to
that:
there's
one
that
it's
I
don't
like
change
property
value
and
or
make
it
unaffordable
for
me
is
the
other
one
like
it's.
D
Obviously
a
huge
concern
in
you
know
lots
of
neighborhoods
in
albany
where
rent
the
rental
market's
really
strong,
because
folks
can't
get
in,
and
so
when
you
have
that
fear
of
you
know
not
in
my
backyard.
As
far
as
you
know,
new
development
goes
and
pushes
people
out.
That's
one
concern
the
alternative.
Is
you
know,
citing
projects
that
aren't
conducive
to
you
know
a
high
quality
of
life,
for
example?
D
Not
everyone
wants
a
gas
station
in
their
backyard.
You
know
it's
not
necessarily
aesthetically
pleasing
and
it
not
is
not
necessarily
conducive
to.
You
know
health
and
obviously
it's
not
lost
on
anyone
that
you
know
social
inequity.
Social
inequities
are
very
pronounced
and
a
very
contentious
issue
right
now
and
being
cognizant
of
that
and
sensitive
to
the
needs
and
desires
of
different
communities
is
really
important.
D
So
I
think
we're
running
up
against
that
in
albany
change
being
scary
and
as
far
as
you
know,
neutrality
to
folks
that
may
try
to
persua
persuade
me
one
way
or
another.
I
think
it
just
goes
back
to
knowing
that
you
know.
As
far
as
in
my
own
career
I've,
never
you
know
worked
for
a
political
party.
I've
never
worked
for
a
partisan
organization.
D
I'm
very
much
have
dedicated
myself
to
the
idea
of
government
is
good
and
I
work
for
the
people
and
so
hearing
both
sides
and
recognizing
that
sometimes
what
the
people
need
is
an
influx
of
business
opportunities
and
you
know
workforce
development
opportunities,
but
they
also
need
a
affordable
health
and
healthy
and
safe
place
to
live,
and
so
how
you
negotiate.
Those
two
things
is
really
important.
D
Without
you
know
it's
it's
about
compromise
like
I
went
into
planning
because
we're
about
consensus,
building
and
finding
where
we
can
better
align
our
interests
and
compromise
to
you
know
provide
for
our
constituents.
Ultimately,
so
it's
not
a
matter
of
you
know
lining
my
pockets
with
like
corporate
funds.
That's
you
know,
unethical
to
start
with
and,
as
you
know,
a
planner
like
I
said
I,
you
know,
I
have
my
aicp
certification
like
there's
a
code
of
ethics
by
which
we
operate.
D
Like
I
risk
my
own
career
by
threatening
to
be,
you
know,
swayed
one
way
or
the
other,
so
it's
very
important
to
me
to
have
that
integrity,
not
only
as
a
you
know,
a
citizen
with
neighbors
and
community
members
that
I
am
there
to
help,
but
also
you
know
my
own
professional
integrity,
that's
sort
of
a
roundabout
answer.
I
hope
it
sort
of
got
at
what
you
were
thinking
or
asking.
A
H
Thank
you-
and
I
want
to
thank,
thank
you
paige
for
being
willing
to
serve.
No,
you
definitely
have
the
credentials.
You
definitely
have
the
academics
and,
and
the
you
know,
work
background.
I
kind
of
want
to
get
your
thoughts
on
the
opposite
of
not
in
my
backyard,
but
why,
in
my
backyard
again
I
represent
a
community.
H
That's
a
minority
majority
that
is
got
challenges
and
that
we're
working
through
them,
but
it
seems
to
have
a
overflow
of
special
special
need
projects
or
programs
that
seem
to
be
you
know
situated,
and
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
us
to
overcome
some
of
our
challenges
when
these
type
of
initiatives
are
being
brought
back
to
our
community
and
we
have
a
very
open,
very
kind
community.
H
But
at
the
same
point
we
have
held
a
higher
weight
of
the
burden
to
fix
the
you
know
the
ills
of
previous
generations,
and
you
know
that
burden
should
be
shared.
That
burden
should
not
just
be
put
on
certain
neighborhoods
that
already
have
challenges
and
already
have
struggles,
while
other
neighborhoods
don't
even
consider
putting
these
type
of
special
projects
in
so
I
know
new
york
city
has
some
legislation
regarding
fair
share.
H
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
aware
of
that,
but
how
would
you
make
sure
that
neighborhoods
are
protected
from
being
saturated
with
programs
or
initiatives
that
you
know
have
their
own
challenges
and
when
I
say
that
I
say
how
would
you
be
willing?
You
know,
because
the
law
may
say
they
should
be
there,
but
is
it
socially
right
to
continuously
to
put
them
there?
H
D
No,
it's
important.
You
know,
you
know,
as
I
intimated
earlier,
like
it's
really
like
as
challenging.
As
you
know,
the
pandemic
and
all
the
social
upheaval
has
been
this
past
year.
It's
been
really
important
because
it
does
give
everyone
a
better
understanding
about
the
experiences
of
like
you
know
your
community,
and
so
I
think
the
onus
is
on
the
city
and
folks
that
sit
on
boards
to
one
be
transparent
and
make
that
information
available
to
communities
and
explain.
D
I
think
it's
you
know
ensuring
that
folks,
do
you
know
be
they
the
representative
for
that
ward
or
be
they
the
board
member
that
just
happens
to
live
in
that
community,
making
sure
that
they
have
ample
opportunity
to
comment
and
that
they,
you
know,
have
people
that
advocate
for
them.
You
know
just
because
you
know
part
of
that
fair
share
is
having
your
fair
opportunity
to
comment
and
share
your
grievances
and
concerns,
and
when
you
lose
that
voice,
it's
no
wonder
that
you
know
things
keep
happening
in
the
same
neighborhood.
D
D
I
don't
have
any
like
a
specific
concrete
example
of
how
you
know
to
avoid
that
other
than
like
we're
all
much
more
cognizant
about
it
now,
and
I
think
that's
the
advantage
to
having
a
board
of
you
know,
diverse
folks,
like
I'm
a
planner,
but
I
know
other
people
that
currently
sit
on
the
bza
are
attorneys
or
work
in
the
health
industry.
D
So
I
think
that
diverse
perspective
and
diverse
background
is
really
important.
I
myself
am
like
a
first
generation
college
student.
I
don't
come
from
a
family
of
like
an
educated
background,
so
I've
I
felt
very
strongly
about
echo
economic
opportunities
and
knowing
that
that
you
know,
has
been
just
really
important
to
how
I've
gotten
where
I
am
at
in
my
own
life
and
so
ensuring
that
you
know
we
can
do
what
we
can
to
elevate
and
give
opportunity
to
all
communities
is
really
important.
D
H
Thank
you,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
in
your
the
back
of
your
head,
because
you
will
be
making
some
tough
decisions
and
I
don't
want
the
mentality
that
you
go
into
it
thinking.
It's
always
you
know
not
in
my
backyard.
You
know
many
times
it's
why
my
backyard
again.
I
think
that
doesn't
get
as
far
as
a
shake
as
as
it
should.
D
Yeah-
and
I
think
too,
that's
something
that
you
know
just
as
a
planning
professional
the
profession
hasn't
always
been.
You
know
progressive
and
forward
thinking.
It
wasn't
always
green
streets
and
good
public
access.
It
was.
How
can
we
draw
lines
to
exclude
people,
and
so
I
think
the
fact
that
I
you
know
am
a
professional
that
has
that
professional
baggage,
just
by
virtue
of
having
a
planning
title,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know
that
we
know
better
and
we
need
to
be.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much
paige.
Those
are
that's
a
very
interesting
discussion.
So
what
I'm
going
to
ask
council
members?
Does
someone
have
a
motion
that
they
would
like
to
put
forth.
A
A
C
Kathy,
can
I
quick
question?
Yes,.
C
A
A
Oh
okay,
well
great
to
see
you,
so
what
we'll
do
is
this
is
a
reappointment
and
it's
for
your
term
that
would
expire
in
12.
31
22
is
what
I
have
down
here,
and
so
what
we'll
ask
you
to
do,
since
you
have
been
serving,
is
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
service
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
then
maybe
the
council
committee
members
and
other
council
members
can
ask
you
a
few
questions.
F
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
It's
always
a
pleasure
to
come
and
have
a
chance
to
talk
with
you.
So
let
me
introduce
myself,
I'm
richard
berkley
for
any
of
those
who
have
have
never
met
me
before,
and
I
have
been
the
chair
of
the
zoning
board
for
the
last
six
plus
years
and
it
has
been,
it
has
been
a
very
interesting
service
and
I
have
enjoyed
it
immensely.
F
One
of
the
things
I've
enjoyed
has
been
the
partnership
of
the
council
in
helping
me
to
create
the
most
diverse
zoning
board
that
has
served
in
the
city
ever
by
age
and
by
gender
and
by
racial
and
ethnic
background
and
by
neighborhood
background,
and
so
I
thank
the
council
and
the
mayor
for
that.
It's
been
a
good
process.
F
I've
also
focused
on
trying
to
add,
as
many
people
with
professional
backgrounds
onto
the
council
as
possible
and
have
been
supported
both
by
this
committee
and
by
the
full
council
and
by
the
mayor,
and
while
this
means
that
people
are
very
busy,
it
also
means
that
we're
getting
exactly,
I
think
who
we
all
want,
which
are
the
leaders
of
the
future
and
the
people
who
are
busy
because
they
get
things
done,
and
so
those
those
two
things
I
think
have
been
have
been
very
helpful.
F
Yes,
when
things
are
put
in
front
of
us
and
through
the
rezoning
and
then
also
by
by
scrupulously
following
the
applicable
law,
the
role
of
the
board
has
changed
dramatically
and
I
think
it's
changed
for
the
better
and
you
know
obviously
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
about
that.
Whether
you
agree
or
not,
but
that
I
think
overall,
is,
is
sort
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
now.
F
I
think
what
I'll
say
now
is
that
in
the
past,
the
largest
variety
of
cases
that
came
before
the
board
were
to
ask
for
these
things
called
use
variances,
because
our
zoning
was
so,
to
put
it
bluntly,
screwed
up,
and
these
are
things
that
should
have
only
been
granted
in
one
percent
or
less
than
cases.
But
the
board
previous
to
the
one
that
I've
been
sharing
for
the
last
six
years,
used
to
grant
these
things
routinely
and
against
the
weight
of
the
law
precedent
and,
in
many
cases
the
best
interest
of
the
city.
F
That's
changed
and,
while
that's
been
a
hard
transition
for
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
because
they
were
used
to
just
coming
in
and
and
doing
things
that
way,
I
think
it's
better
for
the
city
and
it's
helped
us
to
to
grow
in
a
manner
that
is
much
better,
because,
if
you're
a
developer
coming
to
albany
now
you
don't
have
to
guess
what
you
have
to
do
to
build,
because
the
thing
that
you're
looking
at
you
think
can
support
an
apartment.
Building
is
really
zoned
for
a
two-family
house.
E
Yeah
hi
rich,
I
can
you
give
me
a
little
bit.
I
don't
I
really
don't.
I
think
I
met
you
once
before
with
richard
by
councilman
conte.
What's
your
background,
are
you
from
albany?
Are
you
you
know?
Where
did
you
go
to.
F
School,
I
was
actually
born
in
brooklyn,
but
I
grew
up
in
ulster
county,
so
I'm
not
used
to
a
big
city
like
albany.
The
kids
that
I
went
to
high
school
with
might
not
seem
like
a
big
city,
but
you
know
we
we
went
either
to
kingston
or
if
we
wanted
to
get
a
really
good
possibility
of
getting
clothing
or
shoes.
We
come
up
to
albany
for
the
the
mall
previous
to
the
the
north
way,
mall
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
grew
up.
F
I've
lived
essentially
half
my
life
in
upstate
in
the
country
and
half
my
life
in
cities.
My
background
going
to
school
and
such
like
that
is,
I
went
to
antiora
central
school
for
high
school
for
any
of
those
here
who
know
about
ulster
county
college,
at
fordham,
clc,
like,
like
my
council
member,
rich
conte
university
of
wisconsin
law,
school
nyu
for
graduate
degrees,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
E
I'm
very
impressed,
and
so
when
you
went
to
nyu,
I
guess
you
lived
in
the
city,
then
yeah,
so
you
have
that
I'm
from
queens.
One
of
the
reasons
I
moved
to
albany
32
years
ago
was
you
know
I
didn't
like
the
way
the
city
was
going.
I
worked
on
wall
street
10
years
and
I
wanted.
When
I
came
up
to
albany,
I
found
it
was
like
very
suburban,
very
country.
E
Everything
needs
to
change,
but
it's
the
speed
of
the
change.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
family,
I
have
a
13
year
old
son
born
and
bred
in
albany.
I
can't
say
that,
but
people
like
to
say
that
a
lot,
but
even
he
comments
to
me.
You
know
dad
where
you
know
all
the
lots
are
being
built
up
when
I'm
grown
up.
E
E
So
I
guess
you
know
I'm
just
trying
to
get
that
out
that
the
city
is
15
wards,
they're,
all
different,
but
yet
we're
part
of
albany,
and
you
know
my
feeling
is
I'd
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
planning
going
15
20
years
into
the
future,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
that.
But
I.
G
E
Do
you
think,
that's
you
know,
how
long
can
they
last
and
you
know
what
do
you
think
of
that
type
of
building.
F
Honestly,
I
don't
know
how
to
address
that,
because
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we're
seeing
now
for
the
past
five
or
six
years
is
we're
seeing
people
coming
here
for
the
same
reason
that
you
came
here
30
years
ago-
and
I
came
here
relatively
recently
at
20
years
ago,
which
is
it
is
inexpensive.
It
has
a
small
town
feel
in
the
sense
that
my
neighborhood
in
brooklyn
had
where
you
know
everybody
knew
me
and
in
queens
you
know
we
as
a
brooklyn
boy.
We
never
went
to
queens.
F
F
But
I
like
that
kind
of
thing,
and
to
be
quite
honest,
I
mean
having
lived
in
a
couple
of
other
cities
density
can
be
a
very
good
thing
for
cities.
It
supports
the
amenities
that
we
all
want
together,
and
I
think
your
point
about
long-range
planning
is
a
very
important
one.
I
mean
we
have
the
albany
2030
plan
and
I
think
that
that
that
saw
a
lot
of
of
input
from
all
the
communities.
F
But
if
we're,
if
we're
all,
thinking
that
you
know
albany
is
changing
too
quickly
for
us
or
that
it's
changing
in
ways
that
we
don't
like,
and
I
and
I
mean
ways
about
which
we
can
opine
legally
without
you
know,
without
getting
without
straying
into
an
area
where
we're
saying
I
don't
like
you
living
in
my
neighborhood,
but
I
do
like
you,
no
one.
No
one
wants
that.
F
No,
but
if
we're
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
your
neighborhood,
that
you
represent
now,
which
in
a
way
is
very
much
like
most
of
queens,
like
single-family
houses
and
a
little
space
in
between
them,
maintaining
that
that's
what
people
accuse
center
square,
where
rich
lives
of
wanting
to
be,
you
know
to
be
like
del
mar
in
the
city,
and
that
may
or
may
not
be
good,
but
I
think
all
of
our
neighborhoods
can
benefit
from
some
careful
planning.
F
I
think
that
that
makes
us
better
as
a
city
to
the
extent
that
we
work
together
and
confront
our
challenges
together,
whether
it
be
long-term
planning
or
whether
it
be
short-term.
Oh
my
gosh.
That's
a
mistake
to
go
in
that
area.
When
we
do
these
things
together,
I
think
we
come
out
better.
I
don't
know.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
E
Yeah
it
does.
I
mean
it's
a
fine
line
between
the
two
and
but
my
big
question
was
I
I
don't
like
the
new
architecture
of
buildings
where
you
have
a
cement
base
or,
like
you
know,
cement
block
base,
one
one
or
two
stories
usually
parking,
and
then
it's
all
like
wood.
It's
all
pressed
forward
wood
that
you
know
we're
talking
to
architects
and
stuff
has
a
30
to
40
year
life
cycle.
So
you
know
at
some
point
these
buildings
are
going
to
have
to
come
down
and
the
landfill
is
closing.
E
I
mean
it's.
That's
part
of
my
long-term
feeling
that
you
know
what
do
we
do
with
all
the
vinyl
siding.
I
mean
we
know
it's
toxic.
I
hate
final
sighting,
but
that's
a
cheap
way
to
put
affordable
housing.
So
you
know
just
that.
Just
the
last
thing,
just
a
fast
comment
chase
manhattan
bank
opened
up
on
on
homestead
and
western
avenue.
Congratulations!
E
Yeah
I
mean
they
did
a
great
job.
I
know
there
was
pushback
because
of
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
but
it
just
goes
to
show
that,
with
a
little
creativity,
how
good
23
parking
spaces
with
all
the
lawn
and
the
bushes
and
stuff,
what
a
great
job
they
did.
So
thank
you
and
thanks
the
board
for
approving
that
project
have
a
great
night.
A
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
use
of
service
on
the
board.
I'm
gonna
ask
and
I'm
gonna
ask
this
question
now
to
all
of
the
candidates.
It
has
to
do
with
moral
justice.
C
H
You
make
decisions
based
on
where
certain
projects
go
in
our
neighborhoods
and
in
our
community,
as
I
represent
the
11th
ward,
that
is
a
minority
majority.
H
It
has
a
large
part
of
central
avenue
and
what
I've
seen
is
a
a
an
open
community,
a
community,
that's
kind
and
that's
open,
and
that
has
allowed
a
lot
of
special
needs
programs
to
this
community.
But
now
it
seems
that
this
is
the
place.
Everyone
feels
that's
where
they
should
go
and
when
you
already
have
challenges
and
when
you
already
have
you
know
difficult
situations
that
you're
trying
to
address
as
a
community.
H
You
would
hope
that
the
bca
would
help
the
plan
department
in
the
planning
board,
we'll
look
at
projects
and
make
sure
that
every
community
gets
there
for
sure,
because
I
feel
sometimes
some
communities
get
a
more
burdensome
future
of
the
developmental
programs
versus
the
economically
benefiting
programs.
So-
and
I
know,
there's
a
controversial
one
that
went
on
central
avenue
that
I've
I
and
I'll
say
it.
H
If
no
one
else
would
say
it,
I
don't
think
it
would
have
ever
been
approved
on
western
avenue,
but
it
was
approved
for
central
avenue
and
it
was
a
a
project
that,
in
my
view,
you
know
had
net
would
have
a
negative
effect
on
the
individuals
and
would
take
advantage
of
the
communities.
H
So
my
question
is:
how
are
you
someone
that's
been
there
for
some
time
going
to
ensure
that
you
know
decisions
are
made.
Not
just
you
know
by
what
you
know
the
zoning
is,
but
also
by
what's
morally
correct
and
what's
just
for
communities
that
have
already
had
their
first
share
of
certain
initiatives.
F
That's
a
very
good
question
and
as
someone
who
lives
in
downtown
albany
and
was
president
of
the
neighborhood
association
and
actually
was
the
the
person
who
did
the
codes
and
zoning
advocacy
not
only
for
my
neighborhood,
but
also
for
the
south
end
and
for
the
I
don't
know,
a
bunch
of
other
neighborhoods
and
through
cana.
F
I
think
we
all
feel
in
the
downtown
wards
that
we've
been
overloaded
with
services
that
are
not
necessarily
other
parts
of
the
city
being
put
here,
but
that
other
parts
of
the
county
and
that
we've
gotten
a
reputation
for
being
the
place
to
put
certain
kinds
of
things.
Because
then
it
won't-
and
I
won't
pick
any
of
the
whole
towns
in
general,
but
that
it's
better
to
put
it
here
than
it
is
to
put
it
out
there.
It
won't.
F
It
won't
change
our
neighborhood
as
much,
because
you
know
we're
kind
of
used
to
it
or
I
don't
know
how
you
want
to
you
want
to
say
that
and
for
a
long
period
of
time
my
neighborhood
has
been
the
place
where
the
zoning
board
used
to
put
4
am
bars.
And
the
you
know
the
previous
administration
used
to
push
late
night
activity
down
here,
despite
the
fact
that
it
was
wrecking
our
neighborhood.
F
So
I
certainly
hear
what
you're
saying
I
think
to
some
extent,
while
I
believe
that
the
council
can
be
active
on
those
issues,
it's
also
something
that
the
council
and
the
neighborhoods
have
to
advocate
very
strongly
with
the
state
legislature,
because
some
of
the
things
that
allow
congregate
support
housing
of
various
types
to
come
into
our
neighborhoods
and
they
come
into
my
neighborhood
as
much
as
they
do
into
yours.
Council
member
are
are
set
by
state
law,
and
so
you
know
talking
to
the
state
legislature
and
making
them
listen.
F
I
mean
sharing
your
story
with
them
and
sharing
the
story
of
your
constituents
is
one
way
to
keep
the
city
from
being
put
into
a
position
where
we're
constrained
by
state
law
to
not
block
certain
kinds
of
projects
and,
quite
honestly,
from
a
from
a
moral
standpoint.
Yes,
we
don't
want
to
overload
neighborhoods
with
things
that
are
going
to
harm
the
neighborhood
character.
At
the
same
time,
I
I
would
be
very
uncomfortable
with
pointing
out
those
people
shouldn't
be
in
this
neighborhood,
because
you
know
there
are
many
of
us
who
have
children
with
developmental
disabilities.
F
I
mean
I,
my
kids
are
old
enough
that
you
know
whatever
happens
in
our
neighborhood,
doesn't
matter
as
much
to
them
anymore,
but
who
are
we
going
to
point
the
finger
at
people
with
developmental
disabilities?
There
are
people
with
substance
abuse
problems,
some
of
whom
are
to
be.
You
know,
pitied
or
embraced.
Some
of
whom
are,
you
know,
may
not
be
salvageable
by
us
because
they
should
be
in
their
own
home
community,
as
opposed
to
being
put
here,
it's
kind
of
a
larger
question.
F
H
It
does
a
bit,
but
it
does
give
me
some
concern
as
well,
because
I
I
think
if,
if
we're
talking
about
needing
to
change
the
law,
then
maybe
we
should
have
a
conversation
about
what
laws
should
we
change
locally
new
york
city
has
a
law
that
says
for
the
first
share
act
which
specifically
addresses
this
issue
so
that
you
know
not
all
not
not
all
special
needs
programs
going
to
certain
communities
so
that
some
community,
so
you
share
the
burden
and
that's
not
always
positive,
because
people
on
the
west
upper
west
side,
don't
want
to
you
know,
may
complain
about
the
fact
that
they
have
now
special
special
special
program
initiatives
there
as
well.
H
But
you
know
what
that's
fair,
that's
fair
and
it
shouldn't
just
be
put
on
the
burden
on
certain
communities
and
that's
what
has
happened
for
decades
and
that's
what
needs
to
change,
because
if
you
want
to
actually
build
these
communities,
you
actually
want
to
develop
these
communities.
You
have
to
allow
them
to
have
an
opportunity
to
grow
and
not
just
saturate
them.
With
the
you
know
these
type
of
initiatives,
I
think.
F
That's
a
very
good
point
and
let
me
point
out
council,
member
that
I
have
some
background
with
as
a
legislative
director
council
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
working
for
the
both
houses
of
the
state
legislature
and
I'm
happy
to
sit
down
with
you
and
any
other
members
of
the
council
who
might
want
to
talk
about
changing
state
law,
because
your
power
as
a
legislative
body
to
set
the
zoning
rules
for
the
city
of
albany
comes
from
the
state.
F
The
things
that
that
bind
you
from
taking
certain
kinds
of
actions
that
tell
us
what
what
me
we
must
do
come
from
the
state
and
the
courts.
So
I
think
you're
right
we're
going
to
have
to
sit
down
and
change
the
law
and
I'm
happy
to
sit
down
with
anybody
on
the
council
and
with
you
in
particular
since
you're
one
of
our
neighboring
wards,
and
we
experience
some
of
the
same
problems
happy
to
sit
down
and
try
and
fix
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you
other
questions.
Committee
members.
I
think
we're
all
set
for
questions.
Other
council
members,
richard.
B
Oh,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
rich.
By
the
way
I
grew
up
on
staten
island.
I
think
before
the
bridge
and
some
people
will
know
what
that
means.
So
there
is
a
training
requirement
like
continuing
training
requirement
in
law,
and
we
got
some
information
regarding
the
other
two
reappointees
regarding
the
their
completion
of
training,
which
doesn't
really
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
their
term.
B
So
it's
not
really
complete,
but
we
didn't
have
anything
on
your
side
and
I
wonder
what,
if
you
had
completed
the
required
hours
of
training.
F
Yeah,
I
generally
and
forgive
me
I
didn't
mean
to
talk
over
the
end.
Yeah
did
you
finish.
F
Okay,
my
apologies
generally.
What
I
have
done
is
I
have
taken
the
courses
that
are
offered
by
the
the
cdrpc,
the.
C
F
District
regional
planning,
commission
and
then
I've
also
usually
tried
to
also
do
pace
university
has
an
advanced
land,
use,
law
and
policy
program
down
in
white
plains,
and
then
and
I
and
I
swear
only
for
the
the
advanced
curriculum
I
go
to
the
one
in
saratoga
springs
during
the
racing
meet
because
they're,
one
of
the
few
upstate
that
have
advanced
classes
this
year
has
been
a
little
bit.
I
confess
a
little
bit
difficult
to
do
that
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
F
First,
a
lot
of
places
have
had
difficulty
switching
over
to
to
online
live
training,
so
I've
done
this
year.
Credits
through
the
department
of
state
and
they're
online
and
unfortunately,
the
the
local
government
center
at
the
department
of
state,
which
has
a
tremendous
training
program,
focuses
more
on
training
for
new
members
of
the
boards,
because
people
are
always
turning
over
on
the
planning
boards
and
zoning
boards,
and
so
you
have
to
look
relatively
carefully
to
find
advanced
things.
F
So,
for
example,
this
year
I
did
a
course
on
making
a
better
record
for
the
zoning
board.
Another
one
on
comprehensive
on
seeker
because
I
haven't-
I
haven't
looked
at
seeker
law
in
a
long
time
and
we
we
don't
dive
into
that
in
the
zoning
board
very
much
and
then
what
was
the
other
one.
I
did.
I
forgot
the
third
one,
but
I
did
a
third
one
there
too,
and
in
addition
to
that
we
did
a
ethics
class
with
professor
patty
sawkin
from
the
albany
law
school
who's.
F
Now
at,
I
think
toro
college
amy
yeah,
and
on
top
of
that
I
also
do
an
amount
of
a
fairly
large
amount
of
continuing
legal
education
courses
that
are
in
the
area
of
public
utilities,
which
is
where
I
practice
that's
all
about
land
use.
F
But
I
I
confess
that
this
year
I
want
to
be
very
careful
about
allocating
any
of
those
credits
over
to
the
ceus
that
we
have
to
do
on
an
annual
basis
for
the
board,
because
I'm
not
sure
at
this
point,
if
I
have
enough
credits
that
I
need
to
put
forward
for
the
state
courts
in
60
days
to
to
be
renewed
with
my
license
for
this
year.
So
I'm
I
was
behind
where
I
would
have
liked
to
have
been.
B
So
those
will
be
filed
with
the
city
clerk
prior
to
our
council
meeting.
Absolutely
okay
and
I
was
looking
at
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
you
know.
The
the
the
role
of
the
bga
has
changed
significantly
since
we
adopted
the
usdo
many
times.
B
I
was
before
the
old
bca
opposing
some
of
those
use,
variances
that
we've
talked
about,
and
I
was
looking
at
trying
to
get
a
sense
as
to
how
often
you
met
and
how
long
your
meetings
were,
and
you
know
with
the
archiving
the
meetings
on
youtube.
Nowadays,
you
can
get
a
sense
as
to
how
long
how
long
you've
been
a
number
of
them
actually
and
not
very
long.
You
know
number
of
them
are
for
for
the
most
part
they're
under
an
hour.
B
There
are
a
couple
of
exceptions,
but
there
are
several
like:
are
15
20
minutes
or
something
along
those
lines,
so
your
the
role
has
significantly
changed
since
we
adopted
the
usdo,
which
you
know,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about?
What
is
what
what
do
you
have
left?
Is
it
basically
use
variances
area
variances
and
interpretations.
F
F
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
that's
accurate,
so
we
we
have
three
primary
types
of
things
that
we
see.
Now
we
get
interpretations
of
one
kind
or
another.
We
get
a
large
number
and
I
guess
the
bulk
of
our
action
is.
The
zoning
board.
Now
is
area
variances
of
one
type
or
another.
F
First,
the
development
of
the
usdo
was
designed
to
limit
the
necessity
to
do
use
variances
because
they
made
it
difficult
for
people
to
invest
in
albany,
but
also
because
again,
it's
very
hard
to
get
a
used
variance,
and
you
know
I
voted
yes
on
one
use
variance
in
six
years,
and
that
was
more
honestly
than
I
thought
I
was
going
to
vote
yes
for
so
those
are
the
three
cases
we
do
most
of
we
have
had
one
nuisance
case
and
I
presume
we
could
do
more
of
those.
We
have
had
a
few
cases
where
people.
F
Were
ticketed
and
then
fined
by
the
sanitation
department
of
the
city,
and
so
we
we
still
get
those.
So
we
still
have
our
original
jurisdiction
that
the
council
gave
us
and
transferred
over,
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
council,
member
hoy
and
others
would
like
us
to
take
back
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
either.
F
On
the
issue
of
waivers
and
perhaps
on
interpretations-
and
I
think
your
your
point
is
a
good
one,
which
is
that
meetings
that
used
to
go
on
for
a
fairly
long
period
of
time,
because
many
people
wanted
to
try
and
opine
on
the
yeast
variants
issue,
which
was
a
use
coming
to
a
neighborhood
that
never
should
have
been
allowed
to
come
there
that
that
you
know
no
longer
occurs
at
the
zoning
board
and
so
that
that
sort
of
thing
is
much
more
rare.
For
us.
B
And,
of
course,
the
council's
opportunity
to
do
an
assessment
of
the
usda
hasn't
happened,
because
the
annual
reviews
that
were
meant
to
set
that
stage
haven't
been
happening
either.
So
that's
another
different
issue,
though
I've
been
going
back
and
also
trying
to
get
a
sense
in
terms
of
some
of
the
issues
that
have
come
before
the
board
and
was
looking
at
the
minutes
that
were
kept
and
there's
a
huge
gap.
B
In
fact,
I
can't
see
any
minutes
past
the
february
meeting
that
were
posted
online,
which
would
indicate
what
actions
were
taken
and
attendance
and
things
of
that
nature.
B
F
I
think
it's
entirely
likely
that
they
haven't
been
reduced
to
written
format
and
posted
since
we,
obviously,
we
tape,
digitally
tape.
Everything
and
we
video
everything
at
this
point
in
time.
B
Right,
that's
not
a
substitute
for
written
minutes,
but
otherwise
didn't
have
any
questions.
I
you
know
appreciate
your
service
and
what
you
can
do
in
terms
of
bringing
the
board
forward
and
not
dealing
with
issues
in
a
appropriate
way.
So
look
forward
to
your
continued
service.
A
I
Yes,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
richard
for
your
years
of
service
to
the
city,
and
you
continue
work
that
you
do.
You
know
work
together
in
the
past,
where
you're,
truly
a
gift
for
the
city
of
albany
and
all
the
work
that
you
do
for
zoning
and
also
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
My
question-
I
have
two
questions
more,
so
my
first
one
is
what
are
some
of
the
misconceptions
that
individuals,
particularly
in
government
or
just
neighborhoods,
have
as
relates
to
your
position
or
just
the
zoning
board,
and
the
second
question
is
more
so
what
do
you
see
the
vision
as
it
relates
to
the
zoning
board
as
the
head
of
the
zoning
board
in
the
direction
that
you're.
F
Going
yeah,
thank
you,
council,
member,
for
both
of
those
questions.
One
of
the
most
common
misconceptions
was
that
that
we
were
the
board
that
was
key
to
development
in
the
city
of
albany
and
that
you
know
if,
if
the
board
sneezed
that
development
would
stop-
and
that
may
have
been
more
true
under
the
jennings
administration,
quite
candidly.
F
But
it's
not
what
the
zoning
board
ever
should
have
been.
The
zoning
board
is
designed
to
say
no
and
where
a
project
is
able
to
meet
a
reasonable
threshold
to
say
yes,
but
and
then
to
make
sure
that
whatever
the
project
is,
it
doesn't
harm
the
neighborhood
that
it's
going
into
or
move
the
city
backwards
from
its
comprehensive
plan.
So
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
misconceptions
that
people
had.
F
I
guess
one
of
the
other
common
misconceptions
was
that
we
had
more
power
than
we
have
under
both
the
zoning
code
of
the
city
and
under
state
law,
where
our
actions
are
constrained
by
state
law.
We're
constrained
to
do
all
sorts
of
things,
and
you
know
to
the
extent
that
we
try
and
depart
from
those
legal
constraints
when
we
get
sued.
F
It
was
a
place
where
their
children
could
receive
services
while
they
were
out
looking
for
employment
and
people
could
clean
up
and
the
kids
could
play.
And
then
people
could
go
interview,
and
so
you
know
we
decided
that
case
in
a
way
that
kept
the
city
from
being
placed
in
the
scrutiny
of
the
religious
land
use
law.
That
was
passed.
F
I
think
under
the
reagan
administration,
which
would
have
thrown
away
much
of
our
ability
to
control
the
way
that
our
city
moved
forward,
and
we
also
did
it
in
such
a
way
that
it
was
clear
that
you
know
children
are
not
a
harm
to
a
neighborhood
and
that
people
getting
work
and
being
able
to
pay
their
bills.
Don't
harm
the
city,
and
I
think
that
the
outcome
in
that
case
is
very
clear
about
that.
F
As
far
as
vision
for
the
board,
I
think
that's
something
that
the
council
has
a
lot
of
control
over,
because
you
can
tell
us
what
you
want
us
to
do
in
the
future,
even
through
the
six-month
review
process
or
through
talking
to
us.
But,
but
I
think
generally,
the
board
should
continue
to
reflect
the
way
that
the
city
looks
the
level
of
education
that
we
have
in
the
city
who
we
are,
and
I
think
that,
in
partnership
with
the
council,
the
board
now
looks
much
more.
Like
the
city
looks.
F
A
A
A
Okay,
councilmember
love
go
ahead,
you're,
muted.
A
All
right
and
okay,
council
member
hoey
seconded
all
in
favor,
hi,
hi,
okay,
again
unanimous
and
thank
you.
G
A
For
your
service
to
the
city
these
past
six
years
and
we're
extremely
grateful,
you're
willing
to
continue
to
serve
in
this
capacity,
and
thank
you
for
appearing
before
us
tonight
as
well.
Thank.
A
Thank
you.
You,
too,
all
right.
Council
members
are
our
next
person.
We're
going
to
interview
is
serena
joyce
white
lake,
and
this
is
also
a
reappointment
and,
let's
see
serena's
appointment
tonight
would
be
through
the
year
20
21.
I've
got
lists
and
lists
here.
So
so,
if
you
could
welcome
serena
hello,
serena
hello,
how
are
you
how's
everyone
very
well,
I'm
kathy
fahey,
chair
of
the
committee
and
we're
very
glad
you
could
come
tonight.
A
We
want
to
start
by
thanking
you
for
your
service
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
ask
you
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
service
and
why
you
wish
to
continue.
Tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
as
well.
Okay,
so
and
then
we'll
go
around
and
ask
a
few
questions.
J
Sounds
good,
okay,
hi
everyone!
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
your
service
each
and
every
one
of
you
in
your
respective
roles,
I'm
originally
from
hollis
queens,
new
york
and
I
went
to
queens
college,
and
then
I
went
to
fordham
law
school.
J
I
moved
to
albany
about
10
years
ago
to
clerk
for
the
new
york
state
court
of
appeals,
which
is
the
highest
court
in
new
york
state
and
upon
moving
up
here,
I
loved
albany
and
the
friends
that
I
made
and
the
cost
of
living.
So
I
decided
to
stay
after
leaving
my
clerkship.
I
began
working
for
the
new
york
state
office
of
children
and
family
services
as
an
assistant
counsel
in
the
I
do
labor
in
employment.
J
One
of
my
mentors
was
judge
theodore
jones
jr
of
the
court
of
appeals.
May
he
rest
in
peace,
and
he
is
the
person
who
encouraged
me
to
to
get
into
doing
closings.
I
now
teach
as
an
adjunct,
professor
at
albany
law,
school
real
estate
transactions,
keeping
that
going
and
while
here
I
began
working
with
a
lot
of
community
groups,
including
the
african-american
cultural
center
and
the
center
for
law
and
justice,
and
that's
how
I
I
was
able
to
meet
some
great
people
in
albany.
J
I
began
serving
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
in
2017
and
I
have
thoroughly
enjoyed
the
experience.
Richard
berkley,
as
you
all
have
just
spoken
to,
has
been
a
great
mentor
and
leader
and
teacher,
and
he's
really
set
the
bar
for
the
board
in
terms
of
doing
the
the
homework
and
understanding
albany
and
the
reasons
why
we
make
our
decisions
and
I
originally
lived
in
the
center
square
area.
J
Now
I
live
in
ward
15
with
in
the
area
that
councilman
hoey
represents,
and
I
love
these
single-family
homes
out
here
and
being
on
the
board.
I've
learned
a
great
deal
about
land
use
and
why
certain
neighborhoods
are
invested
in
different
projects.
I've
got
to
meet
great
people.
I've
enjoyed
the
training
and
I've.
I
really
have
enjoyed
the
experience
and
meeting
the
different
people
on
the
board,
also
working
closely
with
our
council
right
now
I
see
amy,
who
is
on
the
on
the
meeting
and
she's,
been
absolutely
invaluable.
So
thank
you,
amy
she's.
J
She
really
is
brilliant
and-
and
she
has
really
helped
us
and
still
has
brad
glass.
So
it's
been
a
great
experience
and
I
I
think
we've
made
a
a
smooth
transition
over
over
to
using
the
zoom,
quite
well,
which
I
was
kind
of
nervous
about
in
march,
along
with
many
other
things,
and
so
I
I
am
honored
to
serve
in
this
capacity.
J
A
Thank
you
serena.
So
we'll
start
with
committee
members
questions
from
committee
members.
I
see
council
member
hoey.
E
Hi
serena,
it's
good
to
see
you
I'm
from
queens
2,
mass
5th
queens,
and
I
moved
up
here.
You
know
32
years
ago
and
I
love
it
and
I
told
the
other
people
who
applied
that
you
know
I'd
like
to.
I
don't.
E
Development
but
I'd
like
to
slow
it
down
a
little
and
according
to
the
area
where,
where
it's
happening,
I
don't
want
to
see
every
empty
lot
filled
in
my
generation
and,
like
I've
said
before
I
have
a
13
year
old
son,
and
maybe
you
know
to
be
nice
when
he
grows
up.
He
wants
to
be
an
architect
that
if
he
might
want
to
design
houses
and
stuff
and
the
space
to
build,
you
know
up
here
so,
but
thank
you
for
your
service
on
the
board.
E
I
really
want
to
thank
you
because
the
one
time
I
came
in
from
the
bca
that
I
remember
was
about
the
chase
bank
that
is
now
open
on
homestead
and
western,
and
you
were
part
of
that
decision,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
it
yet,
it
is
beautiful
how
they
did
it
so
make
sure
you
drive
up
there
and
and
take
a
peek
at
it.
It's
really
good.
It
makes
the
neighborhood
look
good.
So
thank
you
for
your
service.
J
Thank
you
and
I
have
seen
that
chase
manhattan
bank.
It
is,
it
is
lovely
with
the
purple
led
lights,
and
I
agree
with
what
you
said
in
terms
of
the
parking
lot
really
fitting
in
because
there
was
some
some
conversation
about
whether
or
not
that
should
be
allowed,
and
I
think
they
just
did
an
amazing
job
and
it
seems
in
a
pretty
record
time
right.
It
seems
like
they
did
it
overnight,
which
they
didn't,
but
it
is
beautiful.
So
I
totally
agree
with
you
on
that.
E
A
Okay,
council,
member
ballerina.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
your
time
on
the
board.
Again,
you
have
all
the
credentials.
You've
got
the
education.
You've
got
the
experience
and
we're
lucky
to
have
someone
with
that
background.
You
know
willing
to
serve
so
we
we
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
appreciate
that.
I'm
I'm
gonna
ask
you
the
same
question
that
I'm
asking
all
the
candidates
and
and
the
it
has
to
do
with
you
know
more
more
right.
H
I
understand
that
you
know
the
board
makes
some
difficult
decisions
and
you've
got
to
make
some
tough
decisions,
but
there
seems
to
be
and
it's
historic,
a
situation
where
certain
communities
get
certain
development
and
other
communities
get
other
type
of
development
and
certain
communities
get
unfair
burden
of
special
needs
initiatives
and
one
that
the
board
had
to
do
with
placed
a
a
entity
on
central
avenue
that
you
know
I
I
I've
said
it
before,
but
I'll
say
again.
I
don't
think
that
would
have
ever
gone
on
western
avenue.
H
I
don't
think
that
would
have
ever
gone.
You
know
in
guilderland-
and
I
know
you're
you're
looking
at
city
already,
but
my
point
is
that
wouldn't
have
gone
in
some
communities,
but
they
would
put
placing
it
in
different
communities
and
that's
not
fair.
You
know,
you
know
our
communities
already
have
enough
struggles.
We
already
have
enough
challenges,
so
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is
the
same
that
I've
asked
everybody
else.
How
can
you
balance?
H
You
know?
You
know
those
more
justice
issues
with
you
know
the
different
projects
that
you
see
in
front
of
you.
J
I
think
that's
a
really
really
important
question
and
I
definitely
have
an
appreciation
for
the
issues
that
you're
raising.
As
part
of
my
studies
and
and
what
I
teach
my
class.
I
teach
them
about
redlining,
and
I
know
that
redlining
happened
across
the
country
and
in
the
city
of
albany.
There's
plenty
of
articles
about
that
online
and
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
that
have
been
historically
redlined
in
albany
are
the
neighborhoods.
J
That's
very
important
to
people.
It
affects
people's
lives
as
as
was
mentioned,
it
could
affect
people's
health,
their
breathing
their
air
in
terms
of
what
kinds
of
entities
are
allowed
to
to
exist
in
certain
places.
I
know
that
in
all
of
our
meetings,
we've
had
very
deep
discussion
that
we've
been
provided
with
documents
we've
heard
from
both
professionals
and
community
members,
and
then
I
think
we
as
the
board
and
working
with
the
common
council
could
possibly
think
about.
J
I
No,
I
would
just
clap
it.
Oh.
A
I
didn't
recognize
a
clap,
I'm
sorry
any
any
other
questions
or
comments
by
council
members.
A
Okay,
well,
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
ask
is:
if
someone
could
put
a
motion
on
the
floor
council
member
holly.
E
Yeah
I'd
like
I
moved
that
we
appoint
serena
joyce
white
lake
to
the
term.
I
think
it's
gonna
end
in
2002-1
is
yes,
which
had
said
so.
I
moved
that
we
favorably
move
her
out
of
committee.
Do.
A
We
have
a
second
on
that
motion,
alfredo
ballerin,
okay,
all
in
favor,
aye,
okay,
it
is
unanimous
and
serena
again.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
We
deeply
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
continue
to
serve
and
thank
you
for
appearing
before
us
tonight.
A
Okay,
our
we
are
moving
along
we're
a
little
we're
running
a
little
late
here.
Let's
see
who
is
next
on
the
list
is
rika
rice,
gill,.
E
A
Hello
rika,
I'm
kathy
fahey,
chair
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
if
you
could
pronounce
your
name
correctly,
so
I
don't
continue
to
slaughter
it.
K
A
All
right,
very
good
regia.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
interest
in
serving
on
the
counts
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
give
you
an
opportunity
to
introduce
yourself.
Tell
us
a
little
bit.
You
know
about
your
background
and
why
you
would
like
to
serve
on
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
then
we'll
go
around
and
ask
a
few
questions.
K
K
I
went
to
college
and
law
school
here
and
I'm
I'm
very
invested
in
the
in
the
area.
K
A
A
E
Hi
rija
hi.
Thank
you
for
coming,
so
you
had
said
that.
Can
I
ask
you
what
where
you
came
from
originally
where.
C
K
What
part
corona
queens
from
j
stadium.
E
Shea
stadium,
I
used
to
ride
my
bike
pair
when
I
was
a
kid
I'm
from
mass
fifth,
queen
master
woodside,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
love
it
up
here
is
you
know
I
came
up
here.
I
had
a
dog,
I
couldn't
find
an
apartment.
Nobody
would
let
me
would
you
know,
rent
me
an
apartment
and
I
ended
up
out
in
the
country
at
westerlo
actually
and
then
I
was
commuting.
E
I
worked
at
the
university
and
commuting
in
and
I
I
saw
the
house
that
I'm
in
now
you
know
32
years
ago
on
the
way,
and
I
I
liked
it
because
it
was
you
know
I
was
coming
from
the
country
where
it's
like
farms
and
cows.
It
was
very
suburban
and
now
I
represent
the
people
in
my
neighborhood,
and
you
know
they
are
kind
of
nervous
about
change.
They
like
single-family
homes,
they
like
a
safe
neighborhood,
our
crime
rate
is
very
low
and
we
are.
E
We
are
a
diverse
community
and
you
know.
G
E
It's
important,
I
think,
for
anybody
who
sits
on
the
the
bza
to
listen
to
the
neighborhoods,
and
I
just
hope
that
you
will
be
open-minded
when
you
are
there.
Listening
to
the
concerns
that
the
people
have.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
your
willingness
to
serve.
A
Other
questions
richard
conte
go
ahead.
B
Thanks
and
this
actually
might
be
a
question
for
amy
so
richard
you
work
for
the
the
city
court
or
the
unified
court
system.
Would
you
be
considered
a
city,
employee
or
a
employee
estate,
employee.
B
Right
right,
this
unified
court
system
thing
works.
I
actually
see
you
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
terms
of
administrative
hearings
and
appeals
which
would
be
really
well
suited
for
the
bza
in
terms
of
what
what
they
do.
So
that's
really
impressed
with
that.
Did
you
have
any
planning
background
or
anything
like
that?.
K
I
do
not
have
a
directly
planning
background,
but
I
used
to
before
I
started
working
for
the
court
system.
I
was
a
landlord
tenant
attorney
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
I'm
familiar
with
the
zoning,
the
zoning
ordinances
and,
and
things
like
that
and
defending
or
representing
my
clients.
B
K
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
again
for
your
willingness
to
serve.
You
know
your
background
was
served
as
well
on
your
education
will
serve
as
well.
The
question
and
comment
that
I'm
I'm
making
to
all
candidates
is
when
you
are
making
these
decisions
when
you're
looking
at
these
decisions.
H
How
much
does
more
justice
play
in
your
decision
making
like
I've
stated
before,
and
you
know
it
may
sound
like
a
broken
record
now,
but
you
know
there
are
some
neighborhoods
to
get
some
type
of
development
and
not
unable
to
get
other
type
of
development.
Some
neighborhoods,
you
know
you
know
you
never
think
of
putting
certain
initiatives
in
and
then
other
neighborhoods
you
know
are
flooded
with
those
type
of
special
special
need.
H
Programming-
and
I
represent
the
eleventh
award,
which
I
think
has
had
has-
is
more
than
first
share
of
those
type
of
initiatives
you
know
so,
when
you're
making
these
decisions
of
of
how
you
allow
certain
institutions
and
certain
programs
into
our
community,
I
ask
that
you
think
about
the
furnace
and
that
some
neighborhoods
already
have
a
heavy
burden
when
it
comes
and
some
have
a
light
burden,
and
you
know
I'm
not
sure
how
much
again
you're
not
on
the
board.
H
K
Well,
like
all
of
you,
I
have
a
vested
interest
in
in
the
capital
region
and
so-
and
I
understand
how
diverse
our
region
is-
and
I
appreciate
how
diverse
our
region
is.
Personally,
I
live
downtown,
but
I
enjoy
farming
and
planting
and
gardening.
So
I
I
enjoy
both
worlds
built
both
the
buildings
and
development,
part
of
it,
and
also
the
parts
of
our
city
that
are
not
developed
and
places
where
we
can
go
and
do
things
like
apple
picking
or
whatever.
K
We
do
here
as
upstaters
that
we
enjoy
in
in
our
region
and
so
as
as
a
court
employee.
I
I
am
trained
to
be
balanced.
To
be
quite
honest,
it's
it's
my
job
so
that
that
is
what
I
will
always
do.
Listen
to
the
the
evidence
or
the
the
information
in
front
of
me
and
also
have
a
great
respect
for
my
colleagues
and
listen
to
what
my
colleagues
have
to
say
about
whatever
it
is
that
is
presented
in
front
of
us
and
make
a
determination
based
on.
A
Okay,
ouija,
I
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
any
questions
for
us
at
all.
Do
you
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
responsibilities
of
somebody
serving
on
this
board
have
and
so
on.
K
A
Okay,
wonderful,
then,
I
will
ask
council
members
as
committee
members,
if
someone
would
like
to
put
a
motion
force.
E
I
put
a
motion
for
it
that
we
passed
risha
rice
out
of
committee
with
a
firm
affirmative
recommendation.
C
A
All
right,
unanimous,
very
good,
regia
again,
we
thank
you
so
much
for
your
willingness
to
serve
in
this
role,
and
we
wish
you
the
very
best
of
luck
and
it's
great
to
meet
you
as
well.
A
You
too,
and
I'd
like
it.
If
we
could
invite
our
next
candidate
in
jeff,
clean.
A
All
right,
hello,
jeff-
this
is
kathy
fahey
of
the
committee.
There
is
and
welcome
thanks
for
your
willingness
to
serve
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
A
L
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairwoman.
It's
a
pleasure
to
talk
with
you
all
again.
I
know
we
spoke
not
too
long
ago
at
a
different
committee
meeting.
My
name
is
jeff
quain.
I
am
a
resident
here
in
albany
I
moved
to
albany
from
binghamton
new
york
in
the
southern
tier
about
nine
years
ago.
I
I
started
my
career
in
the
legislature,
which
is
what
originally
brought
me
to
the
city
of
albany.
L
After
that
I
had
the
opportunity
to
join
governor
cuomo's
administration
as
his
capital
region,
representative
and
deputy
director
of
regional
affairs,
which
is
where
I've
met
many
of
you
and
spoke
with
many
of
you
and
worked
with
many
of
you
and
I
recently
left
the
administration
to
join
a
firm
based
out
of
albany
called
j
strategies
and
I'm
looking
to
join
the
board
to
share
my
experience
that
I've
had
working
at
different
levels
of
government
and
also
give
back
to
my
community
serve
my
community.
I've
followed
closely
the
different
development.
L
That's
happened
since
you
all
passed
the
usdo
a
couple
years
back
and
you
know
I
think
it's
really
been
a
remarkable
turn
with
some
of
the
development
we've
seen
and
you
know
I'm
certainly
aware
of
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
about
that
development
as
well,
but
I
am
looking
for
the
opportunity
to
to
serve
and
get
back
and
be
a
part
of
the
momentum
that
we
have
here
in
the
city
of
albany.
H
Doing
well,
I'm
doing
well,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
you
the
same
question:
I'm
asking
or
all
the
candidates
it
has
to
do
with
the
in
balancing
the
difficult
decisions
that
need
to
be
made
at
the
board
level.
With
you
know,
social
justice
and
more
more
justice
when
it
comes
to
some
of
our
communities.
H
H
They
seem
to
be
a
magnet
for
these
type
of
initiatives,
and
these
neighborhoods
have
had
more
than
the
fair
share
of
you
know
these
type
of
programs-
and
you
know
how
do
you
balance
that
when
you
hear
residents
of
you
know
say
you
know
why
my
neighborhood
again,
you
know
why
would
you
put
something
on
central
avenue
that
you
would
never
think
of
putting
on
western
avenue?
H
Why,
in
in
my
community,
when
we
already
have
been
open
and
kind,
and
you
know
willingness
to
allow
others?
Why
do
you
continue
to
saturate
our
neighborhoods
that
are
trying
to
develop
and
grow
just
like
every
other
community?
H
So
my
question
is:
how
you
will
you
balance
the
difficult
decisions
you
need
to
make
as
well
with
the
with
the
numbers,
the
the
numbers
and
the
data
that
shows
that
some
of
our
neighborhoods
have
just
been
clearly
saturated
with
these
type
of
initiatives?
And
you
know
there
should
be
a
first
share
within
all
communities.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
councilman.
You
know
I
am
familiar
a
bit
with
what
you're
talking
about
when
I
was
with
the
governor's
office.
You
know
I
heard
from
the
mayor's
administration.
You
know
other
elected
officials
who
spoke
about
their
frustration
with
a
lot
of
these
services
being
placed
on
central
lab.
You
know
in
areas
where
we
saw
a
congregative
of
these
type
of
services,
and
you
know
just
the
detrimental
effects
that
it
had
on
the
neighborhood.
You
know
bringing
in
bringing
other
issues
with
it.
L
You
know
acting
as
a
magnet
as
you've
said,
four
different
things.
You
know,
and
I
I
hear
the
frustration
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
little
confusing
when
you
know
for
so
long.
We
wanted
to
have
these
type
of
services
all
in
one
place,
and
you
know
a
couple
years
back.
There
was
a
real
push
for
more
services
in
the
communities
and
that
seemed
to
happen
in
a
lot
of
places,
except
in
our
city
centers
in
albany.
L
You
know
where
these
different
type
of
services-
you
know
whatever
they
may
be-
are
still
congregated
in
our
cities
in
certain
areas
and
a
lot
of
those
are
safe
decisions.
I
think
you
know,
in
my
view,
yeah.
I
think
that
we
should
see
what
we
can
do
to
separate
those
services.
You
know
put
them
in
different
areas,
and
you
know
it's.
I
think
it's
also
an
equity
issue.
L
You
know,
I
think
it's
the
wrong
assumption
to
make
that
everyone
in
these
communities
along
central
lib
are
the
ones
who
are
using
the
services,
because
I'm
sure
there's
folks
in
other
areas
of
the
cities
that
also
need
them.
That
might
have
a
difficult
time
getting
to
them.
You
know
so,
as
a
member
of
the
board,
I
would
want
to
work
with
you
work
with
the
mayor's
administration
work
with
the
communities
to
see
what
can
we
do
on
the
local
level
to
push
out
those
services
into
different
communities
where
they
are
needed?
L
Instead
of
you
know,
centering
them
in
one
specific
area
where
we've
seen
a
number
of
them.
L
A
E
So,
like
I've
told
the
other,
you
know
appointees
or
people
coming
up
for
appointment
to
the
board.
I
come
from
queens
32
years
ago
and
to
work
at
the
university,
and
you
know
I
like
the
ruralness
of
the
area.
I,
like
the
deep
city
you
jump
on
a
bus
and
you'll
be
downtown
in
15
20
minutes.
E
People
don't
want
to
be
that
inner
city,
they
want
to
be
kind
of
suburban,
we're
on
the
borders
of
bethlehem
and
guilderland
and
we'd
like
to
see-
and
I
agree
with
them
we'd
like
to
see
the
type
of
development
that
fits
the
area.
Now.
E
Okay,
a
stumpy
is
a
building.
That's
going
around
now,
they're,
like
east
german
type
of
buildings,
where
you
have
a
cement
base
and
then
six
or
seven
stories,
wood
press
board,
you
know
put
together,
they're
meant
to
last,
maybe
30,
40
years,
if
you're
lucky,
you
know,
there's
problems
in
my
mind
that
when
we
don't
think
about
what
happens
when
these
buildings
outlive
their
usefulness,
where
do
they
go?
I
mean
the
dump
is
closing
it'll
be
closed
within
our
lifetime.
E
What
do
we
do
with
the
material
and
stuff
when
these
buildings
have
to
come
down?
So
that's
my
first
concern
the
big
thing
and
I'm
hoping-
and
I
ask
all
the
applicants-
is
that
you
do
listen
to
the
neighborhood.
You
know.
There's
a
council
member,
you
know
in
pink
or
red
right
now
who
makes
fun
of
the
people
in
my
neighborhood
because
they
they
invested
and
they
want
to
see
it.
They
don't
want
to
see
super
major
change.
They
want
to
see
a
gradual
change
thought
out
and
you
know
we
brought
up.
E
I
brought
up
previously
long-term
planning.
You.
E
So
you
know
so
I
guess
my
thoughts
are
I
kind
of
heard
in
a
previous
meeting
that
you
were
at
and
I
think
you're
for
density
and
stuff,
but
we
see
the
problem
with
density
right
now.
We
called
it
and
new
york
city
is
having
a
real
problem
with
all
the
apartments
and
stuff
that
they
built
down
there.
You
know
the
rents
are
dropping
because
they
can't
get
people
living
and
people
don't
want
to
live
in
density
in
dense
areas
because
of
the
spread
of
this
disease,
and
hopefully
we'll
have
a
vaccine.
E
L
Yeah
absolutely
no
thank
you
councilman
and
you
know
to
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
binghamton,
but
it's
it's
certainly
a
little
bit
different
than
queens
or
the
city
of
albany.
You
know
it's
it's
a
lot
of
what
I'd
say,
looks
like
your
district.
You
know
single-family
homes,
not
very
dense
development.
Once
you
get
out
of
the
city
center,
you
know
and-
and
I
think
development
is
important-
I
think
it
also
should
be
neighborhood
appropriate.
You
know
it
certainly
is
not
a
one-size-fit-all
type
thing.
L
We
have
many
areas
of
the
city
where
you
know
development
should
be
encouraged
and
and
it's
very
important,
but
I
think
it
is
important
to
take
a
look
at
the
characteristics
of
the
neighborhood,
whether
it's
you
know
historic,
you
know
family
residential,
single-family,
two
family,
that
type
of
thing
and
take
that
into
consideration.
L
Certainly,
when
we're
making
our
decisions,
the
usdo
was
great
in
you
know,
cutting
a
lot
of
the
red
tape
that
held
up
development
here
and
I
think
we're
seeing
some
of
the
benefits
of
that.
However,
that
shouldn't
be,
you
know
a
cookie
cutter
approach
where
we're
just
plopping
different.
E
I
Sorry
about
that,
just
in
a
neighborhood
association
meeting
also
yeah
jeff
just
I
know
I
was
looking
at
your
resume
and
you
did
say
that
you
were
the
regional
representative
for
the
governor
and
all
throughout
the
region.
What
are
you
seeing
as
it
relates
to
development,
and
where
do
you
see
albany
moving
forward
yeah
and
what
kind
of
experience
would
you
bring
to
the
zoning
board?
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
council,
councilman
yeah,
you
know
it's.
I
think
what
we're
seeing
in
a
lot
of
the
region
is
is
similar
in
in
some
ways
you
know
the
ongoing
renaissance
in
our
city,
centers
albany,
troy
schenectady.
You
know
obviously
they're
all
a
bit
different,
but
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
redeveloping
those
those
city,
centers-
and
you
know,
I
think,
in
in
some
ways
there's
a
bit
more
attention
on
troy.
L
You
know
they've
always
kind
of
had
the
you
know,
brooklyn
of
upstate
monker
and
that
cool
factor-
and
you
know
schenectady's-
had
a
lot
of
development.
Recently,
that's
really
driven
it
forward.
So
I
think
you
know
there's
a
perception
that
albany
is
a
bit
behind
on
it.
However,
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
are,
and
I
don't
think
that's
that's
a
fair
assessment.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
strengths
that
we
have
here
are
our
history.
L
You
know
our
our
different
neighborhoods
and
we
can
build
upon
that
and
you
know
really
steal
some
of
the
limelight
if
you
will
elsewhere
in
the
region.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
fights
and
more
I'd,
say:
farming,
suburban
areas,
specifically
saratoga
county,
where
you
know,
as
councilman
hoey
pointed
out.
L
You
know
they
want
to
put
in
these
apartment
buildings,
where
the
neighbors
feel
it's
inappropriate,
where
it
will
change
the
characteristic
of
the
neighborhood
that
they
chose
to
live
where
they're,
making
their
families
and
it's
you
know,
I'm
certainly
aware
of
how
controversial
that
is,
and
you
know
how
frustrating
it
can
be
for
the
families.
L
So
you
know
we're
seeing
quite
a
lot
of
development
and
renaissance
in
our
city
centers,
and
you
know
some
of
that
development
expanding
out
into
other
neighborhoods,
where
folks
might
not
want
to
be
quite
in
the
city
center.
L
So
I
think
it's
a
good
position
to
be
in
you
know,
certainly
comparatively
to
some
of
the
other
regions
of
the
state.
L
So
I
want
to
use
that
experience
that
I've
seen
you
know
my
interaction
with
elected
officials
with
community
groups,
not
only
in
city
of
albany
but
throughout
the
region,
to
act
as
a
good
steward
of
not
only
laws
passed
by
the
common
council,
but
also
the
city
and
and
our
development.
A
Okay,
councilmember
county.
B
Thanks
man
and
chair
so
jeff
a
lot
of
your
experience
in
the
with
your
you
know,
regional
rep,
for
the
governor.
A
lot
of
some
experience
in
the
assembly
I
spent
a
long
time
in
the
assembly
also
might
be
characterized
as
political
experience.
So
I'm
wondering
what
do
you
see
and
you
know
what
insights
you
may
have
gotten?
B
What
do
you
see
in
your
your
previous
experience
that
would
qualify
you
or
make
you
a
good,
a
strong
candidate
for
the
bza
dealing
with
some
of
the
planning
issues
that
come
before
them.
L
Yeah,
thank
you.
You
know
again
I'd
say
my
experience
working
with
community
members
as
a
consensus
builder,
as
you
know,
working
in
the
legislature
for
an
elected
official,
especially
the
governor,
in
some
regions
of
of
our
state
of
our
area.
It's
not
easy.
You
know
you
have
to
be
a
consensus
builder.
You
have
to
figure
out
how
to
find
common
ground
and
work
with
folks.
So
I've
had
quite
a
bit
of
experience
with
that,
and
you
know
I've
also
worked
with
laws.
I've
worked
with.
L
You
know,
figuring
out
how
to
implement
our
laws.
How
to
you
know,
move
things
forward
while
following
the
spirit
of
what
the
elected
officials
want
to
put
forward.
So,
although
I
don't
have
you
know
the
planning
background,
I
certainly
know
how
the
law
works.
I
understand
that
we
want
to
look
at
the
intent
and
figure
out
how
we
can
best
fulfill
that.
So
it's
you
know
it
might
be
political
experience.
It's
it's
certainly
governing
experience
as
well,
which
is
a
big
part
of
serving
on
boards.
B
A
Oh
yes,
yes,
those
were
that
this
would
be
their
appointment
now
that,
with
at
the
end
of
2020,
almost
so.
B
Yeah,
your
2021.
Actually
there
are
two
others
that
are
just
being
appointed
through
the
end
of
2020,
with
the
expectation
that
they'll
be
appointed
to
another
three-year
term.
G
A
A
Okay,
councilmember
ballerin.
H
I
put
a
motion
to
appoint
jeff
to
the
sony
board.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
second
on
that
second,
second
by
council
member
hoey,
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
okay,
it's
unanimous
jeff!
Thank
you
again
for
your
willingness
to
serve.
We
wish
you
the
best
of
luck,
and
it's
been
great
talking
to
you
tonight
and
finding
out
a
little
bit
more
about
you
and
your
interest
in
serving
so
thank.
A
A
Okay,
our
last
interviewee
tonight
is
councilmember
martin,
I'm
sorry,
martin
daly,
and
this
would
be
a
reappointment
and
the
reappointment
would
be
through
again
12
30
120
and
then
a
reappointment
for
12
31
23.
M
A
So,
martin,
what
we
were
hoping
you
could
do
is
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
your
cur
your
service
on
the
board,
zoning
appeals
and
why
you
would
like
to
be
reappointed
and
then
we'll
go
around
and
ask
a
few
questions.
M
Sure
I'll
do
a
little
bit
of
background
for
folks.
That
don't
know
me.
My
name
is
martin
daly,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
pine
hills,
neighborhood
I've
owned
a
house
here
for
10
plus
years
resident
of
albany.
I
hear
so
many
people
who
have
been
attending
the
meeting
or
from
down
state
either
from
queens
or
brooklyn.
I
am
from
albany.
M
I
went
to
school,
19
went
to
hacker
middle
school,
albany,
high
school
college
of
st
rose,
and
also
to
the
university
of
albany,
where
I
got
my
master's
in
regional
planning.
So
if
anybody
wants
a
perspective
on
education
in
albany,
I'm
your
guy,
I
am
the
director
of
water
quality
programs
for
the
capital
district,
regional
planning.
Commission.
You
may
be
familiar
with
that
organization,
because
we
offer
several
of
the
trainings
that
some
of
the
board
members
have
taken
in
order
to
stay
sharp
on
their
on
their
planning
skills.
M
In
that
capacity
as
director
of
water
quality
programs,
I
work
with
the
city
of
albany,
the
village
of
green
island,
the
city
of
rensselaer
city
of
troy,
city
of
cahoots
and
city
of
water
valley,
on
a
combined
sewer,
overflow
abatement
program.
Where
the
ultimate
goal
of
that
program
is
to
reduce
the
combined
sewer
discharges
that
are
fouling
up
the
hudson
river
to
work
through
that
process,
I
was
very
excited
to
be
selected
and
appointed
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
M
I
have
a
background
in
planning
I've
practiced
planning
for
more
than
a
decade.
In
my
current
capacity,
I've
been
a
regional
planner
for
seven
years
with
the
capital
district,
regional
planning,
commission,
and
I
work
on
local
economic
development
and
water
quality
issues
with
the
commission.
I
have
a
background
in
developing
trail
systems
and
bike
and
pedestrian
advocacy
as
well.
When
I
worked
for
parks
and
trails
new
york
several
years
ago.
My
interest
in
serving
on
the
board
of
appeals
is
twofold.
One
is
because
I
love
this
community.
M
I've
been
a
resident
of
albany
for
40
years
and
I
very
much
appreciate
the
diversity
and
uniqueness
of
the
city.
Also.
I
have
a
unique
perspective
on
on
the
region.
As
far
as
bringing
a
planning
perspective,
one
of
the
things
that
encouraged
me
to
go
to
to
planning
away
kept
seeing
the
great
places
in
our
suburban
neighboring
communities
like
bethlehem
and
guilden,
gets
swallowed
up
by
development,
and
meanwhile,
here
in
albany,
we
continue
to
have
vacant
land
and
underutilized
buildings.
M
On
my
block
in
particular,
we
have
two
vacant
houses,
and
yet
in
the
suburban
communities
we
have
development
that
is
being
rallied
against.
So
it's
frustrating
to
see
those
inequities
where
albany
definitely
needs.
M
Investment
in
the
suburban
communities
are
frustrated
by
the
level
of
development
in
those
communities,
and
here
we
have,
we
have
a
what
was
essentially
a
broken
system
for
20
years,
as
the
region
has
not
grown
by
very
much,
and
yet
we've
seen
land
use
grow
by
4
or
four
times
what
the
population
growth
has
been
so
being
able
to
serve
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
I've
been
very
excited
to
listen
to
cases,
to
adjudicate
them
to
work
through
the
process.
M
When
applicants
come
before
us
for
variances
or
interpretations
because
I
think
number
one,
we
are
a
relief
valve
when
a
project
comes
forward
and
number
two.
It's
being
able
to
respond
to
the
community
interest
measure,
a
project
or
proposal
against
the
comprehensive
plan
and
zoning
and
be
able
to
work
through
the
process
to
determine
if
we're,
giving
an
applicant
a
fair
shake.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
martin.
So
we'll
start
with
questions
from
committee
members,
questions
comments,
tom
yeah,.
E
Hi
martin
did
you
study
under
ray
bromley.
M
E
I
know
I
talked
to
him.
Oh
it's,
probably
two
years
now
when
I
was
battling
this
development
up
by
me
at
1211,
and
he
felt
it
was
the
wrong
spot.
It
should
have
been
downtown
or
you
know,
in
the
inner
city.
More
than
that-
and
you
know
it's
just-
it's
people
have
different
opinions,
of
course,
but
I
had
a
good
conversation
with
him.
One
of
the
things.
E
E
Planning
some
kind
of
like
a
seminar
or
something
where
we
bring
in
troy,
we
bring
in
schenectady,
we
bring
in
you,
know:
albany
we
bring
in
the
towns
and
do
a
long-range
plan
for
the
community.
Why
should
we
be
fighting
each
other?
I
hear
this
all
the
time.
Well,
troy's
doing
this
and
getting
this
project
and
schenectady
he's
getting
this
project.
E
It
should
be
shared
and
that's
again,
my
opinion-
and
you
know
I'm
just
one
person
out
of
you
know
a
hundred
thousand
in
the
city
of
albany,
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
am
concerned
about,
and
you
know
you're
here
and
you're,
looking
for
reappointment
and
stuff
and
I'll
I'll
bring
it
up.
H
E
E
Thank
you,
but
we
have
no
sidewalks.
You
know
I
can't
walk
my
son
to
school.
He
goes
to
he's
born
and
bred
in
albany,
I'm
not
from
queens,
like
you
probably
heard,
but
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
walk
into
school.
I
can't
walk
down
russell
road.
In
the
morning.
People
are
rushing
off
to
work.
It's
dangerous
and
you're
walking.
You
have
to
walk
on
somebody's
lawn.
E
E
It
I
mean
I
grew
up
in
queens
where
you
could
jump
on
a
bus
and
then
the
subway
or
the
elevated
7
train
to
go
to
shea
stadium.
I
mean
that
I
lived
through
that,
but
albany
doesn't
have
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
I'd
want
to
see
what
me
have
that.
As
me,
I've
invested
I
own
quite
a
bit
of
property.
Now
up
in
my
area
and
I'm
I.
E
It
I
think.
E
A
planned,
gradual
development,
but
you
know
just
putting
up
stumpys,
and
you
know
I
just
don't
like
the
architecture
and
a
lot
of
people
talk
to
me
about
block
75
and
the
audience
on
washington.
They
said
looks
like
east
german
housing
and
you.
G
E
There
any
way
I
guess,
what's
important
to
me,
is
that
you
do
listen
to
the
neighborhood
and
by
the
way
you
approved
the
chase
bank
up
on
homestead
and
western,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
you.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
check
it
out,
but
you
were
a
chair
that
night
when
that
got
approved,
and
I
really
and
the
neighborhood
really
appreciates
what
you
did
there
and
you
know
and
a
big
thank
you.
But
going
back
to
what's
your
vision
of
planning
for
the
future
of
city,
albany.
M
For
example,
we
have
several
large
employers
that
exist
in
the
city
of
albany,
be
it
albany,
med
or
the
state
or
education
through
the
universities,
and
one
issue,
we've
always
had
is
a
competitive
disadvantage
with
our
suburban
neighbors
as
far
as
people
commuting
into
the
city
choosing
to
live
outside
commuting
in
and
then
commuting
out,
we're
losing
in
two
ways,
one
we're
losing
in
tax
base
for
people
that
are
choosing
to
live
here
and
invest
in
the
city
and
second,
we're
losing
out
on
those
secondary
economic
benefits
of
them,
either
choosing
to
make
a
purchase
here
or
choosing
to
go
to
a
restaurant.
M
I
think
one
thing
that
I've
been
excited
to
see
is
a
lot
of
development
in
in
the
neighborhood
surrounding
those
institutions,
because
number
one
they
have
access
to
the
unemployment
they
can
either
walk
across
the
street
or
utilize
transit
that
takes
vehicles
off
the
road.
It
certainly
fits
with
albany's
green
initiative
goals,
but
number
two.
It
means
people
are
putting
down
roots
here,
my
neighborhood
in
particular
in
pine
hills.
M
I
don't
think
we
would
have
the
same
competitive
advantage
as
say
a
neighborhood
out
in
the
suburbs
where
people
are
paying
less
taxes
but
commute
into
work,
and
it's
been
really
great
to
see
that
albany
home
prices-
I
don't
know
if
you
follow
the
real
estate
market.
Housing
prices
in
albany
have
been
quite
strong,
recently
houses.
M
Now
it's
a
very
competitive,
strong
market
people
are
looking
to
move
back
to
albany,
so
I'm
encouraged
that
the
city
has
made
investments
and
partnered
with
organizations
like
cdta
and
the
albany
water
board
to
be
able
to
make
significant
investments
in
our
infrastructure
that
encourage
people
to
look
at
albany
as
a
viable
alternative
to
the
suburbs
and
put
down
economic
put
down.
E
Well,
martin,
I
just
want
to
comment
on
that
too,
because-
and
I
I
brought
up
earlier-
and
I
know
if
you
heard
I
mean
we
see
the
problem
in
new
york
city
right
now,
with
all
the
apartments
people
are
leaving.
They
don't
want
that
density
because
of
the
kobit
virus,
and
you
know
maybe
we'll
get
the
the
vaccine
and
it'll
go
away,
but
then
there'll
be
you
know
there
could
be
another
one.
We
just
don't
know
yeah.
E
E
M
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
there's
two
elements
to
that.
One
is
the
public
health
side.
I
think
what
the
problem
is
when
we
look
at
a
public
health
perspective
is
not
density.
It's
crowding
and
those
are
two
different,
distinct
initiatives.
Those
are
two
different
and
distinct
issues
that
that
fold
that
blend
into
planning
and
public
health.
So
those
those
I'm
certainly
not
qualified.
M
To
comment
on
the
the
second
element
is:
we
are
seeing
an
explosive
growth
of
apartment
in
the
region
in
bethlehem,
in
guildland,
in
in
southern
saratoga
county,
we
are
seeing
an
extraordinary
bloom
of
apartments
being
constructed
in
the
region.
Part
of
that
has
to
do
with
a
changing
mindset.
M
Talk
about
they've
been
moving
around
a
lot,
and
so
we're
seeing-
and
this
is
reflected
in
our
job
data
as
well
on
a
regional
scale,
a
lot
of
influx
of
people
that
are
moving
here
to
either
work
in
chip
fab
or
the
industries
where
it's
it's
footloose
and
people
are
moving
around
a
lot,
and
so
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
Second,
we're
living
in
an
economic
environment
where
people
are
competing
with
paying
back
student
loans
or
taking
on
a
sizable
mortgage.
M
So
the
cost
considerations
for
putting
down
routes
are
difficult
when
it
comes
to
people
living
in
apartments.
Here,
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
grab
them,
because
the
opportunity
cost
of
them
living
in
an
apartment
in
bethlehem
is
maybe
they
get
sucked
into
the
social
network
that
exists
in
bethlehem
and
it's
a
fine
community.
M
I
don't
mean
to
disparage
them,
but
I'd
rather
have
them
live
here
in
albany
and
see
how
amazing
that
new
scotland
strip
of
restaurants
can
be
on
a
saturday
night,
because
it
is
second
to
none,
and
I
want
to
see
people
choose
to
live
in
albany
because
they
could
they
could
really
choose
to
live
anywhere.
I'd
prefer
that
they
live
in
albany
for
the
benefit
of
my
neighborhood,
but
for
the
benefit
of
the
community
as
a
whole.
H
Come
on,
how
are
you
hope
you
and
your
family
are
doing
well
doing
well,
we're
holding
holding
it
together,
good
good
to
see
you,
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
the
same
question:
I'm
asking
all
of
the
candidates
for
today's
that
we've
met
with
today
when
you're
making
some
of
these
difficult
decisions.
I
wan
I'm
asking
candidates
to
look
at
the
math
look
at
where
some
of
these
initiatives
that
are
being
looked
at
to
pre
put
in
certain
neighborhoods
up
going.
H
I
represent
the
11th
ward,
as
you
know,
are
the
minority
majority
district
and
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges
in
our
neighborhoods.
As
you
know,
you
walked
with
me
neighborhood
wash
many
years
ago,
when
we
first
met
had
a
lot
less
gray,
hair
and
no,
no,
however,
we
didn't
have
any
gray
hair,
and
so
you
know
the
challenges
that
we
have
you've
seen
the
challenges
that
we
have
and
there
seems
to
be
a.
H
Magnet
effect
with
these
type
of
initiatives
in
certain
communities,
where
certain
communities
have
a
unfair
burden,
that
other
neighborhoods
don't
and
and
when
neighbors
have
issues
about
it.
Some
say
it's,
you
know
not
in
my
backyard,
but
it's
really
not
not
in
my
backyard.
It's
it's.
Why
my
backyard
again,
you
know
why
my
neighborhood
again,
you
know,
we've
been
kind.
We've
been
opened.
H
We've
we've
been
receptive
to
these
type
of
initiatives
in
the
past,
but
now
we're
being
seen
as
the
neighborhoods
that
that's
where
you
put
them-
and
you
know
that
makes
it
hard
when
you're
trying
to
already
overcome
already
existing
challenges,
to
be
able
to
develop,
to
be
able
to
grow
and
to
be
able
to
make
it
so
that
it's
a
neighborhood
where
you
can
attract
more
individuals
to
want
to
stay
and
live
and
raise
their
families.
H
So
how
do
you
balance
that,
where
there's
neighborhoods
that
have
been
saturated
with
the
special
needs
initiatives
they've
had
more
than
the
fair
share
of
of
of
these
responsibilities
with
with
equity
and
making
sure
that
all
neighborhoods,
if
you're
going
to
put
something
on
central
avenue?
Why
don't
you
put
it
on
western
avenue
or
even
looking
beyond
just
the
city
of
albany?
You
know,
I
I
get
frustrated
that
they
put
sentence
on
central
avenue
that
residents
that
use
it
to
the
individuals
that
use
it.
H
75
percent
75
percent,
and
not
even
from
albany
county.
But
why
don't?
We
look
at
making
sure
there's
a
fair
share
of
these
type
of
initiatives
so
that
it's
not
just
some
communities
that
are
holding
a
heavy
burden.
M
So
if
I
I
understand,
your
question
correctly
is
a
couple
of
parts.
The
first
one
is
is
whether
we
we
have
saturation
of
social
services
types
of
of
facilities
within
albany.
That's
certainly
been
one
thing
that
that
people
have
been
concerned
about
one
from
a
from
a
saturation
perspective
and
two
from
a
from
a
property
tax
perspective
where,
where
we're
expected
to
provide
services
to
people
from
around
the
region,
because
because
why?
Because
we
have
an
urban
center,
I
mean
the
the
people
that
are
utilizing.
M
These
facilities
are
not
only
from
albany
they're
from
wealthier
communities
as
well,
and
why
isn't
that
shared?
I
think
that's
a
more
of
a
state
decision
or
a
land
use
decision
rather
than
a
board
a
zoning
appeals
decision
number
one.
The
board
does
not
have
discretion
over
sighting
facilities.
We
are
almost
a
victim
of
circumstance
in
that
when
a
facility
comes
before
us,
we're
being
asked
to
adjudicate
a
particular
issue,
be
it
a
use,
variance
or
an
area
variance.
M
So
to
that
second
issue,
where
you
talk
about
the
facility,
I
think
you're
talking
about
the
blood
plasma
center.
If
I'm
trying
to
read
between
the
lines
on
central
avenue
that
decision
to
locate
at
that
particular
plaza
was
already
made
by
the
applicant
and
in
their
material
describing
why
they
selected
that
location,
it
was
because
of
its
activity
that
proximity
to
transit
and
it's
basically
geographically
dead
center
of
city
of
albany,
so
that
calculation,
I
don't
believe,
was
made
at
the
behest
of
the
board.
M
It
was
merely
brought
to
us
as
far
as
something
to
weigh
in
on
second,
I
I
absolutely
understand
the
the
the
moral
struggle,
if
you
will
about
just
determining
whether
a
business
is
predatory
or
not,
that
isn't
something
that
the
board
is
able
to
to
review.
Our
request
in
that
particular
case
was
to
review
what
type
of
use
it
was.
Was
it
a
personal
service
use?
Was
it
a
medical
use?
M
It
was
more
of
a
processing
type
of
facility,
so
the
board
scope
was
a
narrow
review
of
that
particular
project,
not
with
how
it
was
cited,
but
more
so
the
type
of
industry
that
it
represented
because
it
wasn't
defined
in
code,
certainly
with
those
types
of
facilities.
There
are
external
impacts
that
could
include
loitering
or
parking
issues.
M
Those
are
more
considerations
that
we
would
hope
that
the
that
either
modifications
to
the
usdo
or
the
planning
board
could
impose
upon
their
review
of
a
site
plan
for
a
facility.
So
on
one
level
it's
it's
an
issue
that
the
state
should
be
dealing
with
as
far
as
citing
social
services
facilities
and
on
the
second,
the
the
difficult
understanding
is
the
the
narrowness
of
the
bza's
ability
to
adjudicate
that
one
particular
issue.
H
I
wanted
to
agree
with
you
at
a
certain
point.
A
lot
of
it
does
fall
in
the
state
and
where
the
state
decides
to
fund
these
initiatives
and
fight
fund
these
programs,
and
they
always
seem
to
be
funded
in
black
and
brown
neighborhoods,
because
that's
where
you
see
these
initiatives
going
into
and
that's
the
problem
that
they
don't
seem
to
share
the
burden
and
then
they
want
to
blame
those
neighborhoods
for
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
in
those
neighborhoods.
But
what
have
you
brought
to
these
neighborhoods?
H
What
have
you
developed
in
these
neighborhoods
and
and
what
kind
of
growth
have
you
allowed
for
these
neighborhoods?
So
you
know
you
know
yeah
you're
right
part
of
it
does
have
to
do
with
the
state
and
how
they
fund
these
initiatives.
H
You
know
we
are
city
officials
and
we
have
to
take
the
responsibility
of
what
we
allow
and
what
we
don't
allow
in
in
our
neighborhoods
and
in
our
communities
and
what
we
fight
for,
and
I
strongly
believe
we
need
to
fight.
You
know
to
be
fair
and
to
be
just
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
bringing
things
into
neighborhoods
that
we
know
that
are
already
struggling.
H
We
bring
things
that
are
going
to
help
them.
You
know
overcome
those
struggles
and
that
be
a
magnet
for
additional
challenges.
So
I'm
gonna
challenge
you.
I'm
gonna
challenge
all
of
us
that
that's
what
we
should
be
looking
to
do
as
well,
and
it
may
bring
a
lawsuit.
You
know
what
so
be
it
because
you
know
we
need
to
defend
and
fight
for
some
of
these
neighborhoods
that
have
been
forgotten
that
have
been
left
behind
and
that
have
been
some.
You
know
purposely
I'll,
say
you
know
allowed
to
decay.
A
C
A
Looking
at
it,
you
know
my
experience
is
the
state
has
tremendous
power
about
where
they
want
to
cite
a
lot
of
these
facilities,
so.
H
A
H
You
some
more
information,
because
I
think
you
know
it's
in
it.
We
need
to
be
fair
on
how
we,
you
know,
allocate
these
different
initiatives.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council
member
conte,.
B
Oh
thanks
man
chair
thanks
martin,
so
I've
known
you
going
back
to
your
days
when
you
lived
here
in
the
sixth
ward
and
I've
always
had
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
you
and
you're.
Thank
you,
your
you
know
your
knowledge,
etc.
I
think
you're
uniquely
well
qualified
to
sit
on
the
zoning
board
or
any
board
related
to
planning
and
I'm
glad
you're
continuing
and,
I
hope
you'll
be
around
for
a
long
time.
B
It's
sort
of
interesting
we,
the
resolution
that
is
before
us
right
now
confirming
your
reappointment
is
in
effect
because
we
won't
adopt
it
until
our
december
7
meeting
for
a
24-day
term,
which
is
a
little
you
know
which
goes
back
to
when
we
adopted
the
charter
in
98.
This
is
one
of
the
big
issues
that
we
were
dealing
with
was
the
council's
confirmation
authority,
and
we
shouldn't
be.
You
know,
considering
six
appointments
tonight.
That
was
not
what
the
what
state
law
provides.
B
It's,
not
what
the
charter
provides
and
it's
a
little
frustrating
and
then
also
the
the
annual
plan
provisions
within
the
usdo.
So
I
know
you
sometimes
have
commented
on
some
of
the
things
the
council
may
have
done.
That's
probably
based
on
some
of
the
frustrations
that
we
have
in
terms
of
what
the
intention
is
and
what
our
authority
is
and
how
it
sometimes
is
not
followed.
B
So
hopefully
we
can
move
on
beyond
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
understand
that
there
are
issues
like
that
that
really
frustrate
us
and,
in
effect,
undercuts
our
authority
as
the
legislative
branch
and
check
and
balance
on
the
executive.
And
that's
that's.
Sometimes
you
see
that
expressed
in
different
ways.
But
again
I
think
I
don't
really
have
any
questions,
because
I
will
make
one
observation.
B
You
know
you
talked
earlier
about
some
of
the
issues
about
you
know
home
ownership
or
investment,
and
one
of
the
things
I've
noticed
in
my
even
in
my
on
my
own
block
here
is
that
the
you
know
when
properties
come
up
on
the
market
and
the
real
estate
market
down
here
in
the
center
square
area
is
very
strong,
not
unusual
for
properties
to
go
over
their
asking
prices.
Actually,
it
seems
common,
but
often
what
I
sometimes
see
is
it's
a
competition
between
someone
who
is
looking
for.
B
You
know
that
opportunity
to
to
be
an
owner,
occupant
and
an
out-of-town
investor
who
sees
it
as
an
opportunity
to
make
an
investment
as
a
rental
property.
And
what
I
see
a
couple
of
times
is
that
properties.
There
are
a
couple
of
examples
in
my
blog
properties
that
might
otherwise
have
been
owner
occupied,
where
that
was.
B
There
was
an
interest
there
that
the
the
prospective
owner
was
basically
outbid
by
someone
from
out
of
town
who
now
made
it
a
rental
unit
and
just
the
other
day,
in
fact,
about
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
was
out
front
raking
leaves,
or
whatever
someone
pulls
up
and
they're
looking
at
one
of
the
houses
across
the
street
and
says
well,
and
then
we
get
to
talk,
turns
out
he's
someone
who
has
come
up
from
the
city
from
brooklyn
who
his
broker
had
pointed
out,
this
particular
property
that
he
was
looking
at,
which
was
in
foreclosure,
which
I
didn't
even
know.
B
It
was
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
or
not,
but
that
his
broker
had
told
him
was
in
foreclosure
and
he
was
up
here
looking
at
potential
opportunities
for
investment,
and
so
I'm
seeing
that
happen,
I'm
wondering
you
know
you
know
we
want
to
be
a
place
where
you
know
people
want
to
invest,
though
we
also
want
to
strengthen
the
market,
the
the
owner
occupant
market-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
conflict
there,
but
I
do
notice
that
when
you
have
people
who
have
a
stake
in
the
neighborhood
in
a
way
that
there
there's
a
stronger
civic
involvement
than
you
might
otherwise
see
and
with
some
of
the
developments
that
we
see
are
people
who
are
transient
in
the
sense
they're
up
here
for
a
couple
of
years,
but
don't
have
that
they
want
a
good
neighborhood,
but
they
don't
have
that
same
stake
in
involvement
and
once
they're
done
with
whatever
there
are,
whether
it's
education,
job
or
anything
like
that.
B
B
You
know
that
civic
engagement,
that
I
think
we
sometimes
lose
and
I
think
you
sometimes
have
a
feeling
for
that
up
where
you
are
because
I
you
know,
I
know
when
you
have
a
house
in
your
area,
your
block.
Whatever
up
on
the
market,
you
want
the
right
person
there
to
to
move
in
yeah
and
maybe
spouting
off
a
bit,
but.
M
No,
no
and-
and
I
totally
understand
where
you're
coming
from
it's-
it's
actually
uniquely
similar
to
what's
happening
in
our
block
and
we
have
probably
the
most
diverse
block
I
can
think
of,
and
we
have
students
we
have
elderly
folks.
We
have
families,
I
have
on
one
side
of
me.
I
have
a
family,
that's
been
here
20
years
and
has
three
adult
children
and
then
the
other
side
of
me.
I
have
a
six
unit
building
where
only
three
units
are
occupied,
because
the
I'll.
M
Yeah,
if
a
house
two
doors
down
from
us
that
was
habitually
problematic
in
their
upkeep
of
the
house,
either
trash
in
the
bushes
or
not
taking
care
of
pair
of
things
or
being
a
shopping,
cart
behind
it.
Rotting
wood
falling
apart
and
people
bought
it
and
they're
fixing
it
up,
and
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
them
and
said:
hey,
I'm
really
glad
that
you
bought
this
house.
Are
you
moving
in?
Are
you?
Are
you
renting
it
out?
Are
you
going
to
make
an
investment
in
the
neighborhood
and
they're?
M
Actually
they
bought
the
house
and
I'm
not
making
this
up.
They
bought
this
house
and
they
describe
it
as
their
vacation
house
they're
from
brooklyn,
and
this
is
where
they
want
to
come
up
on
the
weekends
and
they're
fixing
up
the
house.
I
mean
they
put
a
new
roof
on
the
porch.
They
painted
it
they're,
standing
down
and
repainting
all
the
windows.
I
can
hear
machines
finish
the
floors
and
I
am
overjoyed
so
for
me.
M
I
think,
as
a
property
owner,
I
want
to
see
people
make
an
investment,
I'm
less
concerned
about
whether
they're,
renting
or
owning.
I
just
want
to
see
investment
because
I
have
a
house
across
the
street
from
me:
they
gutted
it
down
to
the
studs.
It's
been
like
that
for
six
years
it
used
to
be
a
site
of
frequent
parties.
The
owner
lives
out
of
state,
and
it's
it's
just
frustrating.
I
don't
want
that
to
become
the
norm
for
any
neighborhood
and
I
think,
that's
most
important
degree.
M
B
So
but
I
really,
I
strongly
support
your
reappointment.
I
think
you're
you're
an
asset
to
the
city
and
I'm
glad
you're
continuing.
I
Yeah
just
questions
and
comments.
Also,
I
just
want
you
know
echo
richard's
sentiment,
martin,
I
think
you're
such
a
great
asset
to
the
city
of
albany
and
just
looking
at
your
resume
and
your
background,
you're
more
than
qualified
for
to
sit
on
a
board
of
zoning.
Quite
frankly,
you
know,
as
a
new
council
member,
I
remember
my
early
years
when
I
look
at
development.
I've
always
had
in
my
mind
what
are
the
tax
breaks
that
they're
receiving
and
that
used
to
be.
I
I
thought
that
I
used
to
have
that
made
me
anti-development
in
a
sense,
particularly
before
I
got
into
office,
but
learning
and
listening
and
looking
at
the
2030
plan
and
looking
listen
to
the
neighborhood,
as
relates
to
walkability,
walkable
neighborhoods,
and
what
other
cities
are
doing
to
promote
walkability
and
also
the
change
that's
occurring
all
across
many
cities
and
also
towns.
I
mean
we're
not
the
town
of
albany
we're,
not
the
village
of
albany.
I
We
are
the
city
of
albany
and
in
cities
you
have
walkable
neighborhoods,
where
you
have
restaurants,
you
have
grocery
stores,
you
have
et
cetera
hospitals,
you're
able
to
walk
everywhere.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
your
commitment
to
planning
and
also
you
know
your
commitment
to
want
to
volunteer
on
on
this
on
this,
for
the
board
of
zoning.
My
question
more
so
is
you
know
that
nimbian
mentality,
not
in
my
backyard
mentality.
I
There
are
some
people
who
believe-
and
I've
done
some
research
where
most
of
the
time
who
are
anti,
not
in
my
backyard
or
support,
not
in
my
backyard,
typically
affluent
white
male
or
white
females,
as
it
relates
to
who
have
the
time
and
energy
to
come
in
front
of
zoning
boards
or
mean
boards
and
to
show
their
opposition
to
some
type
of
development.
How
do
you
weigh
in
between
what
a
neighborhood
want
and
what
is
great?
What's
the
greater
good
for
the
city
of
albany.
M
Yeah,
I
I
think
number
one.
I
think
change
is
really
difficult,
especially
for
somebody
that
that
may
have
invested
here
or
lived
here
most
of
their
life.
I
I
feel
that
same
way
I
mean
when
we
talk
about
the
new
scotland
project
that
pharmacy
that's
located.
M
There
hasn't
been
kessler's
pharmacy
in
god,
25
years,
but
it's
still
ingrained
in
my
brain
is
that's
what
it
is
and
I
think
one
we
have
to
respect
the
the
the
the
feelings
and
opinions
of
folks
that
that
are
that
are
afraid
of
of
change
and
I
think,
there's
absolutely
valid
opinions
to
those,
because,
with
with
change,
comes
uncertainty
in
the
other
respect
we
have
for
400
years,
since
our
country
has
been
founded,
we
have
been
experiencing
changes,
and
so
there
have
been
bumps
along
the
road
and
certainly
with
development.
There
have
been.
M
There
have
been
fears
with
how
development
affects
our
community.
Before
I
was
in
the
boarding
zoo
appeals,
I
was
jumping
up
and
down
hopping
mad
about
a
parking
garage
that
was
located
down
the
street
from
me
that
was
approved
as
part
of
the
park
south
plan
update.
It
hasn't
been
the
the
monster
next
door
that
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be,
but
at
the
time
I
really
did
think
that
that
was
going
to
absolutely
destroy
the
fabric
of
the
neighborhood.
M
I
think
the
thing
about
change
is
to
really
carefully
communicate
the
the
elements
of
the
project
to
a
neighborhood,
to
be
able
to
communicate
why
that
particular
site
may
be
best
suited.
Perhaps
it's
access
to
transit.
Perhaps
it's
access
to
a
major
employer.
Perhaps
it's
access
to
a
university
or
an
educational
institution
that
makes
that
particularly
attractive.
I
think
also.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
communicating.
M
The
regional
realities
are
that
our
region
is
not
growing
at
an
extraordinary
rate,
but
we
are
seeing
extraordinary
land
use
growth
outside
the
boundaries
of
albany.
So
what
that
means
is
people
are
leaving
the
city
and
building
elsewhere,
and
what
we
have
is
a
real
struggle,
both
in
the
city
for
tax
base
and
residents
and
in
the
suburban
communities
where
they
feel
the
last
one
in
has
to
turn
the
light
off.
Those
don't
have
to
happen.
M
We
do
need
to
to
carefully
listen
through
and
modify
proposals,
and
I
think
there
has
been
a
great
deal
that
as
projects
have
moved
forward,
but
ultimately
I
think
a
number
of
these
projects,
the
community
benefits
they
bring
the
additional
people
living
in
the
neighborhoods.
I
think
they
bring
a
sense
of
vibrancy
and
I
don't
think
there's
been
any
evidence
presented
that
they
that
they
have
a
significant
negative
impact
on
property
values.
M
But
I
do
think
that
change
is
very
difficult.
I
absolutely
understand
that,
and
I
think
it's
one
of
the
unfortunate
things
that
we're
going
to
experience
change
as
we
ebb
and
flow
and
we
look
to
the
future.
There
are
certain
factors
in
place
like
our
national
economy,
which
are
affecting
change,
which
we,
as
a
city,
don't
have
any
ability
to
regulate
ourselves
but
are
ultimately
going
to
lead
to
land
use
changes
going
forward,
and
we
just
need
to
be
prepared
to
pivot
and
be
able
to
be
successful
and
communicate
that
to
our
residents.
A
A
A
really
important
voice
here
in
our
community,
and
I
very
much
appreciate
your
willingness
to
serve
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
and
your
continued
service.
Thank.
A
Opportunity
I
so
I'd
like
to
ask
committee
members:
would
someone
like
to
put
a
motion
for
it
council,
member
ballerin?
A
H
Just
I
was
just
going
to
say
I'd
like
to
move
forward
the
name
for
martin
daley
at
the
for
the
tony
board.
We
may
not
always
agree,
but
I
know
he's
a
good
man
and
he's
got
the
best
interest
in
the
city.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
a
second
appointment,
second
by
council
member
hoey,
all
in
favor
hi,
okay,
unanimous,
thank
you
all
council
members
and
thank
you
brad
and
amy
for
appearing
tonight.
We
really
didn't
have
to
turn
to
you
as
much
as
I
thought
we
might,
but
we
appreciate
you
being
here
very
much
and
all
that
you
do
to
keep
these
boards
running
as
well
as
they
do,
and
thank
you
to
the
council
staff
who's
been
doing
such
a
tremendous
job
of
getting
us
ready
for
these
meetings.
A
So
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion.
A
All
right,
a
second
okay
adjourned
and
thank
you
again,
everyone
and
good
night
tom
good
night.