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From YouTube: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:30PM Planning, Economic Development and Land Use Committee
Description
The Committee reviewed Ordinance 46.122.20. This legislation is necessary to give the USDO consistent numbering and to increase user-friendliness in terms of layout and readability. The Committee also reviewed Resolution 5.12.20R and Resolution 6.12.20R. Resolution 5.12.20R reappoint Chris Ellis, Jr. to a term of the Planning Board, which will expire on December 31, 2025. Resolution 6.12.20R reappoint Martin Hull to a term of the Planning Board, which will expire on December 31, 2024.
A
Well,
good
evening,
everyone,
this
is
the
january
19th
meeting
of
the
plan
of
the
common
council's
planning
economic
development,
land
land
use
committee
committee,
members
present,
council,
member
tom
howie
councilmember,
alfredo
ballerin
and
myself,
kathy
fahey,
other
council
members,
president
council
member
richard
conte,
and
then
we
have
staff
michelle
andre
and
john
rafael
piccardo
and
our
city
clerk
danielle
gillespie.
A
We
also
have
planning
staff
present
zac
powell
corporation
council's
office,
amy
levine
and
director
of
planning,
brad
glass,
and
we
have
martin
hall
and
chris
ellis
from
our
planning
board.
Welcome
everybody.
A
Okay,
so
tonight
we're
going
to
begin
with
the
reappointment
of
chris
ellis
to
the
planning
board.
That's
resolution
512-21r
and
resolution
612-21r,
which
is
the
reappointment
of
martin
hull
to
the
planning
board.
So
we'll
start
later
on,
we'll
be
discussing
ordinance,
46,
122
20
and
that's
an
ordinance
amending
chapter
375
of
the
usdo
of
the
code
of
the
city
of
albany
by
renumbering
such
chapter.
A
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do.
First
before
we
talk
with
our
planning
board,
members
is
to
find
out.
If
there's
any
public
comment,
I
only
danielle.
I
only
received
that
one
letter,
I'm
not
sure,
if
there's
anybody
else
who's
in
the
waiting
room
at
all.
A
We
also
have
a
council
member
and
president
pro
tem
kelly
kimbrough
is
here
danielle.
Do
you
have
any
any
other?
Do
we
have
anybody
here
for
public
comment,
folks,.
C
A
C
They
are
chris
ellis
and
martin
hall
for
terms
of
four
and
five
years
when
the
people
in
eagle
hill
section
was
fighting
1211
western
ave
over
the
dorm
upscale
apartments,
the
residents
appeared
numerous
times
due
to
the
changes
once
when
it
was
called
a
dorm
and
secondly,
when
they
decided
to
call
it
upscale
housing
which,
on
the
drawing
nothing
changed
except
the
name
dorms
to
upscale.
We
had
a
petition
with
over
100
signatures,
plus
better
than
100
emails.
Letters
calls
to
the
mayor's
office.
We
even
appeared
numerous
times
before
the
planning
board
pointing
out
infractions.
C
We
did
a
power
point
showing
all
the
infractions.
After
all,
that
they
voted
against
eagle
hill
residents
and
passed
1211
western
ave.
They
should
not
sit
on
the
planning
board,
give
them
both
their
walking
papers.
They
forgot
that
they
work
for
the
people
not
for
the
planning
board,
since
their
tenure
is
up.
Bye,
bye,
let's
put
two
new
people
on
the
board
that
listen
to
the
people
and
understand
the
usdo.
C
A
Okay,
thank
you
danielle.
That's
the
only
public
comment
we
have
for
tonight,
so
we'll
move
to
our
resolutions
and
why
don't
we
start
with
chris
ellis
chris?
I
want
to
begin
by
saying
a
very
big
thank
you
for
your
tremendous
contribution
of
your
time
and
talents
over
the
last
years.
As
a
member
of
our
planning
board.
It's
so
I've
been
on
the
council
for
quite
a
while
now
so
I
do
you
know.
I
have
seen
the
huge
change
in
the
responsibility
of
planning
board
members
since
we
did
the
rezone.
A
So
maybe
we
could
begin
by
having
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
service
on
the
planning
board
and
and
why
you
wish
to
continue
and
then
we'll
have
we'll
go
around
and
have
council
members
ask
a
few
questions
so
welcome.
D
D
I
think
there's
a
you
know:
there's
a
balancing
act
between
any
all
project
and
a
good
project.
I
think
I
work
with
my
colleagues
on
the
board
to
you
know,
look
into
those
items.
D
What
I
found
interesting
about
our
system
is
that
the
we
have
an
interesting
way
of
moving
and
bifurcating
our
information
in
such
a
way
that
we
have
a
lane,
and
I
had
to
learn
those
pieces
that
go
into
the
lane
of
for
planning
where
my
training,
my
formal
training,
is
in
economics
that
made
for
a
new,
a
new
toolkit
to
use
so
I've
enjoyed
that
experience.
D
Even
though
you
you
know,
may
disagree
with
opinions
and
the
things
that
folks
bring
forth,
I
think
that
it's
good
in
the
in
the
public
space
to
you
know
have
that
discourse
allow
folks
to
be
heard.
D
I
will
say
I've
appreciated
when
the
council
members
have
come
to
represent
their
constituents
forcefully
on
items
and
advocate
for
the
folks
that
have
placed
them
in
office.
So
I
think
that
those
things
as
far
as
experience
have
been
on
the
positive,
even
though
our
meetings
tend
to
run
very
long
these
days.
D
I
think
that
that
you
know,
as
part
of
the
the
the
public
service
that
even
as
an
average
citizen
from
the
ground
that
you
you
commit
to
the
betterment
of
the
community
as
a
whole,
so
you
do
it
with
love,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
you,
you
notice
what
was
the
second
question.
A
Oh
no,
I
I
well
about
your
time
on
the
planning
board
and
then
really
why
you
wish
to
continue,
would
be
another
part
of
that.
D
Yeah,
I
think
where
I
just
ended
with
having
a
commitment
to
albany
I've.
You
know
I've
only
lived
in
albany,
even
though
there
might
be
some
others
that
live
in
my
immediate
proximity
I.e
my
house
that
that
may
want
to
arrive
at
a
different
conclusion,
but
I
feel
that
given
given
the
background
that
I've
had
in
the
unique
perspective
that
I
bring
to
the
planning
board
that
it's
part
of
my
civic
obligation
to
continue
in
the
role
and
would
be
honored
to
do
so.
Okay,.
A
Well,
we
really
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
so
far,
so
now
we'll
stop
and
and
go
around
to
the
committee
members
first
and
see
if
they
have
any
questions
or
comments.
A
E
Thank
you,
sorry
for
that.
It
seems
like
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
been
doing
zoom,
I
don't
know
so
before
I
start
normally.
I
ask
applicants
similar
questions
and
I
do
have
similar
questions
for
both
martin
and
chris,
and
usually
we
don't
have
both
applicants
in
the
room
at
the
same
time,
but
I
will
proceed
if
that's
how
we
are.
A
E
E
I
think
you
know
that
I
have
been
frustrated
with
some
of
the
decisions
of
the
board,
because
I
believe
that
they
are
not
consistent
with
the
usco
that
we
passed.
I
get
particularly
frustrated
that
people
get
called
nimbys
because
they
expect
the
usdo
to
be
applied
fairly
and
consistently,
as
opposed
to
always.
E
The
post
office
on
new
scotland
avenue
563
new
scotland
avenue,
and
so
I
welcome
the
opportunity
for
maybe
for
you
to
explain
to
me
a
little
bit
about
your
decision.
One
of
the
issues
that
was
raised
there
was
the
fact
that
the
site
plans
only
show
that
there
is
a
20
green
space,
green
coverage
in
the
entire
site
plan,
when
the
usda
specifically
requires
that
buffering
landscaping
and
screening
be
30
of
any
development.
E
D
Way,
woman,
I'm
gonna,
have
to
punt
on
this
one.
I
don't
have
any
files
for
any
cases
in
front
of
me.
I
didn't
realize
that
this
would
be
this
type
of
meeting.
I
certainly
hop
offline
and
we
can
talk
about
that.
If
we
need
to
talk
about
it
in
forum,
I
don't
know
if
it's
customary
to
have
to
revisit
and
explain
votes
in
this
manner.
D
I
would
defer
to
you
know
amy
on
that
one,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
happens
in
general
to
your
first
point
about
conversations
amongst
the
members
of
the
board
and
members
of
the
staff.
There's
a
team.
D
We
ultimately
vote
and
make
a
decision,
because
that's
what
we've
been
appointed
to
do,
but
there's
also
an
education
process
that
we
go
through
with
each
project,
whether
it
be
in
our
you
know.
We
usually
look
at
them
several
times.
It's
not
like
they
come
before
us
just
one
time
and
we
have
conversations
in
the
manner
that's
proper
with
our
chair,
sometimes
with
staff
and
talk
about
the
the
ins
and
outs.
D
And
then
we
make
a
decision
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
goes
on
behind
the
scene
with
an
applicant
and
the
planning
department
that
positions
an
application
for
a
successful
bid
before
the
before
the
board.
I
don't
so
I
I
don't
have
particulars
on
the
post
office
while
I'm
familiar
of
its
location,
but
I
don't
have
those
before
me.
D
E
Well,
I
don't
think
it
happens
all
the
time,
but
I
do
think
you
know
when
I'm
on
when
I'm
on
somebody's
doorstep,
asking
for
their
vote,
I'm
expected
to
be
ready
to
talk
about.
G
E
Decisions-
and
you
know
that
I
actively
participated
in,
and
I
think,
if
that's
relevant
here,
where
I
have
so
many
constituents
who
are
frustrated
with
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
and
and
really
you
know.
As
I
look
at
it,
the
the
administration
can
take
up
a
particular
attack.
Part
of
the
reason
why
we
have
a
planning
board
is
to
have
the
people's
voice
be
heard
and
responded
to
and
to
ensure
have
an
oversight
to
make
sure
that
things
like
the
usdo
are
being
complied
with.
E
I
haven't
really
I.
I
would
welcome
an
open
discussion
by
board
members
as
opposed
to
about
these
kinds
of
issues,
as
opposed
to
a
behind-the-scenes
discussions,
and
then
there's
also
a
requirement
in
the
usdo
that
the
board
is
supposed
to
issue
a
decision
that
is
supposed
to
contain
its
rationale
for
its
decision
and
what
we
get
are
decisions
that
simply
reach
a
conclusionary
statement
that
the
five
decision
factors
have
been
met
without
any
explanation
of
how
any
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
have
been
concluded
by
the
board
members
themselves.
E
I
would
like
to
see
more
transparency
and
this
about
that,
and
I
I've
just
been
very
frustrated
and
so
have
a
lot
of
my
constituents
and
other
people
in
the
city.
I
know.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
holy.
H
H
I
represent
the
people
up
in
the
15th
ward
and
you
heard
my
neighborhood
association
president
and
he
was
apparently
really
ticked
off,
but
he's
a
different
person
than
me.
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
and
I
don't
even
know
where
to
begin.
But
let
me
ask
you
this:
did
you
when
al
the
chairman
al
desalvo
came
before
this
committee?
H
H
I
you
know
lately.
I
know
I
haven't
been
to
meetings
in
a
while,
but
I've
heard
you
know
there
has
been
some
disagreement,
but
among
the
board
members,
but
the
meetings
I've
gone
to
it
just
seems.
Like
one
person
decides
what
goes
on
and
it's
again,
you
know
I,
I
can't
see
you
know
any
team
being
all
the
time
together
on
something
because
we're
all
human.
We
come
from
different
faucets
of
the
city,
it's
just
it
doesn't
jive
with
me.
I
got
the
usda
right
here.
H
D
D
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
living,
breathing
document
for
me.
So
yes,
I
that's
how
I
that's
how
I
engage,
but,
mr
mr
hoey,
you
know
me
outside
of
this
setting
and
we've
engaged
and
interacted
before
councilwoman
doshane,
maybe
not
as
much
but
others
on
this
line
have
have
engaged
with
me
outside
of
this
particular
forum.
I
would
hope
from
our
engagements
that
you
understand
the
thought
that
I
put
into
the
decisions
I
make.
D
I
would
say
your
initial
comment
about
citizens,
opinions,
not
mattering,
I
don't
I.
I
don't
have
that
opinion
and
we
sit
in
our
meetings
and
we
listen.
D
We
take
notes-
and
I
consider
everything
that
everybody
says
as
we
go
through,
even
if
we've
come
to
opposite
ends
of
a
particular
decision,
and
it's
why
my
initial
comments,
I
said
I've
enjoyed
the
passionate
piece,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
everybody
that
has
come
before
the
planning
board
if
you
run
over
your
three-minute
or
six-minute
allotment,
and
you
needed
extra
time
that
I
was
pretty
sure
that
I
was
the
one
that
said,
give
them
all
the
time
that
they
want
and
if
folks
were
going
over
and
they
were
making
a
point,
give
them
the
time
they
want
to
to
to
proceed
because
those
comments
are
and
have
always
been
important
in
framing
the
discussion
we're
having
so
it
I
I
I
don't
want
to
be
in
front
of
this
group
and
say
that
the
opinions
of
the
citizens
don't
matter
because
that's
that's
just
that's
just
not
how
what
I
believe,
but.
H
That's
important
to
me
to
hear
from
your
voice-
and
I
didn't
know
that
you
did
extensions.
H
You
know
I've
been
to
those
meetings
and
it's
very
you
know
I'm
going
to
be
honest,
it's
very
rude
and
the
disrespect
that
you
know
me
as
a
council
member,
an
elected
representative,
my
ward,
the
way
I'm
talked
to-
and
I
saw
other
council
people
talk
to
you
know
this
is
just
we
put
on
a
hat
saying
we're
council
members,
you
know
that
doesn't
mean
tom
holly
wouldn't
come
and
you
know
we're
at
a
game
or
something
pat
you
in
the
back
and
say
hey
how
things
going
that's
a
different
thing,
but
when
I
wear
the
council
person's
hat,
I
gotta
be
responsible
for
my
citizens
up
here
and
when
I
have
to
deal
with
fellow
council
members
calling
the
people
in
my
neighborhood
nimby's
because
they
want
to
preserve
their
way
of
life
up
here.
H
There's
no
there's
there
is
room
for
a
development
and
don't
get
me
wrong
and
I've
been
told.
I'm
anti-development.
I
am
not,
but
I
like
to
see
explanations.
What
the
needs
are.
I
mean
we've
seen
a
tremendous
growth
of
apartment
houses
in
albany
and
the
one
you
know
the
one
I'm
fighting
32
million
dollars
to
build
they're
going
to
get
an
ida
for
like
half
the
cost.
Now
you
guys
don't
weigh
in
on
the
ida's.
H
Mr
desalvo
always
says
that
at
the
meetings-
but
this
is
you
know
this
is
welfare
for
rich
developers,
and
I
have
a
problem
with
that
and
where's
the
need.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying?
Is
there
a
need?
I'd
like
to
see
more
lower
income
housing?
You
know
with
the
1211
development.
In
my
ward,
it's
called
luxury
housing.
H
You
know,
and
you
know
the
rent's
1400
dollars
for
one
bedroom,
and
I
mean
I'm
just
giving
thing.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
the
whole
meeting
on
this,
but
I
want
you
to
understand
when
you
walk
out
of
here,
that
we're
responsible
to
the
people
who
vote
for
us
and
then
you're
responsible
to
get
reappointed
to
us
and
we
only
get
a
chance
every
four
years.
So
it's
important
it's
not
trying
to
be
mean
to
you
or
to
anybody.
D
D
D
There's
just
at
least
on
my
end,
I
feel
a
dis,
a
disconnect
in
how
maybe
the
formal
approach
to
a
meeting
is
happening
versus
being
able
to
have
information
conveyed.
I
know
we
get
a
ton
of
information
from
our
from
our
staff
briefings
power
points,
letters
from
the
community
and
it's
interesting
just
like
you
know,
no
matter
where
things
are
happening
in
the
city.
I've
come
to
the
point
where
I
can't
expect
everybody
to
agree
that
it's
happening
and
you
you
know
you
have
to
wait.
D
You
have
to
weigh
those
things,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
that
you
know
you
all
have
used
the
various
levers
that
you
have
to
try
to
get
things
done
in
the
way
that
you
think
that
they
should,
and
you
know,
changes
to
the
usdo
pushing
back
on
you
know
any
particular
specific
decision
is
the
purview
of
the
elected
official.
Ours
is
kind
of
to
follow
the
document
and
it's
its
interpretation
of
it
as
it's
being
applied.
But,
let's
not
forget
everybody
still
got
their
training
wheels
on
with
this
new
document
and
is
doing
something.
D
That's
new
and
you
talked
about
new
housing.
I
think
the
new
housing
is
coming
up
because
there
is
a
need
for
housing
and
even
of
the
low
income
housing
that
you're
describing
too
so
we've
seen
a
we've
seen
a
project
that
is
affordable,
that
even
that
one
is
still
receiving
a
certain
type
of
pushback.
So
I
think
that's
just
part
of
the
process,
and
you
know
for
me
to
grow
into
the
role
and
be
a
part
of
the
process.
I
certainly
appreciate
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Other
committee
members,
councilmember
ballerin,.
I
Thank
you
sure
thank
you,
chris,
for
taking
your
time
to
be
here
today
and
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service.
I
mean,
I
know
those
meetings
are
long.
I
know
those
meetings
are
not
easy.
I
know
you
guys,
you
guys
have
some
tough
meetings
and
you
guys
get
beat
up
a
lot
and
sometimes
I
don't
even
think
it's
your
fault
or
the
the
bold
fault
I
sometimes
feel
like
centered
and
how
you've
been
presented
information.
I
So
I'm
kind
of
hoping
you
can
walk
us
through
that
process
because
I
know
sometimes
we
get
I'll
tell
you.
We
got
this
my
mailbags
on
friday
to
go
to
it
and
be
ready
for
today
and
I
got
through
half
of
it
and
I'm
mostly
ready,
but
I
hope
I'm
not
expecting
to
vote
on
that
today
and
I
might
be,
but
I
know
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
I
want
to
get
answered.
So
what
is
the
process?
How
do
you
guys
get
this
information?
I
You
know
how
much
time
do
you
have
to
process
it?
How
much
time
do
you
have
to
go
through
it
and
how
much
time
do
you,
you
actually
get
to
be
able
to
review
it
and
have
discussions
with
your
board?
Members
are
without
influence
from
staff,
and
I
have
other
questions
I'll
follow
up
with.
D
So
it
really
depends
on
the
case,
and
each
case
is
different,
because,
depending
on
how
complex
it
is
so
you
can
have
a
case.
I
think
we've
been
working
on
one
for
about
a
year
now,
maybe
a
little
less,
it
definitely
started
in
the
beginning,
parts
of
2020
and
we've
been
going
through
and
through
it
through
give
me
one.
Second,
I
gotta
move
there.
We
go,
there's
also.
D
As
far
as
process
it
coming
before
a
our
initial
meeting,
things
get
introduced
for
concepts,
we
have
our
workshop,
then
we
have
our
our
voting
meeting.
D
As
far
as
conversations
with
board
members
that
are
outside
of
the
meeting,
there
are
rules
public
meet
public
officers,
law
rules
that
require
us
to
actually
meet
and
have
all
of
the
current
apparatus
that
we
have
now
going
live
recording
if
we
go
beyond
so
I
know
that
I
speak
with
members
of
the
board,
I
would
say
fairly
regularly,
but
it's
usually
on
a
one-on-one
basis
to
talk
about
something
very
specific.
You
know.
Did
you
see
this
piece?
Did
you
read
that
letter?
D
Did
you
get
that
public
comment
and
as
far
as
the
various
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
come
together,
I
would
say
we
always
are
able
to
start
with
the
frame
of
the
puzzle,
but
then,
as
questions
from
the
community
from
our
elected
officials
from
others
come
in,
then
we
get
the
rest
of
those
pieces
put
together,
as
as
the
the
full
picture
of
a
project
gets,
gets
ready
for
its
sort
of
sort
of
final
dance
and
final
review.
D
So
I
would
say
on
average,
I
think
we
probably
look
at
a
project
for
spanish
at
least
90
days-
probably
closer
to
six
months,
but
I
think
the
planning
staff
will
be
able
to
talk
about
when
it's
introduced,
as
opposed
to
when
it's
passed
and
give
us
an
average
amount
of
days
that
we
have
it
and
all
the
information
is
neatly
organized
inside
of
a
central
database,
similar
to
what
the
public
can
see
online
through
the
planning
website.
D
I
Thank
you,
and
I
gotta
say
this-
there's
been
recently
especially
there's
been
cases
that
we,
the
council,
agrees
more
with
the
board
than
with
the
staff
and.
I
Well,
that's
good
to
hear,
because
it's
important
that
you
know
you
push
back
if
you
need
to
because
you
know
you
you're
the
residents
you
know
representative,
I
mean
I
mean
you
know
you,
you
you're
going
through
this
process
and
you
know
you
represent.
I
You
represent
the
city,
the
city
residents,
you
know
at
that
table
and
I'm
sorry
that
the
staff
didn't
prepare
you
for
this
meeting.
They
should
have
told
you
that
to
expect
some
tough
questions
to
expect.
I
I
I
We
all
get
our
difficult
days
here
and
there
I
do
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
document,
the
the
document
that
we've
all
read
and
I'm
still
reading
and
changes
to
the
document
and
your
opinions
on
it
because
it
goes
to
you
before
it
comes
to
us
and
that
that
has
been
a
case
where
we've
gotten
the
court
about
your
opinions
versus
our
opinions
and
how
you
know
they
may
conflict.
I
So
I
want
to
hear
what
your
thoughts
are
on
the
document.
What
your
thoughts
are
on
potential
changes
you'd
like
to
see
to
that
document
and
what
you
think
you
know
we
should
be
looking
at
now
versus
six
months
from
now
or
a
year
from
now,.
D
D
In
my
grand
vision,
I'd
like
to
see
the
entire
economic
development
process
in
the
city
more
linked
together,
it's
not
done.
It's
not
done
like
that
through
the
usdo,
it's
very
compartmentalized.
My
expertise
is
in
economics.
My
training
is
in
economics.
We
make
decisions
about
form
and.
D
Appropriateness,
but
we
don't
understand
the
moving
numbers
behind
them,
so
my
change
is
less
to
the
document
in
its
sole
form
but
more
to
the
process
as
a
whole.
Even
if
projects
at
some
point
came
before
a
group
where
all
the
pieces
of
the
puzzle
or
the
at
this
point,
it's
not
a
one-dimensional
puzzle.
It's
a
three-dimensional
rubik's
cube
came
together.
D
I
And
I
got
one
more
question:
if
I
can
and
then
I'll
let
okay-
and
this
has
to
do
with
development
and
and
your
own
and
your
own
economics-
and
I
I
think
you
know
that's
that's
a
great
skill
to
have
in
this
position
and
I
value
that,
but
unfortunately,
our
economy
has
not
been
fair
in
this
in
this
world
that
we
live
and
it
has
not
been
fair
for
generations
before
us,
but
now
we
are
in
a
position
to
do
something
about
it.
I
I
You
know
what
is
that
saying
about
our
city?
You
know,
I'm
someone
that
that
says
that
I
want
people
to
tweet
central
avenue
same
way.
You
treat
western
avenue
and
when
I
see
central
avenue
and
beyond
only
getting
one
sort
of
development,
while
the
other
side
of
central
avenue
and
beyond,
is
getting
a
different
sort
of
development.
I
I
have
some
issues
with
that.
So
what
are
your
thoughts
about?
How
how
you
can
use
your
position
to
try
to
address
some
of
those
concerns.
D
D
Maybe
if
we
had
the
capacity
and
planning
staff
is
probably
gonna
kill
me
for
this,
but
you
know
the
we
should
develop
an
rfp.
We
can
have
a
joint
commission
of
all
the
folks
and
you
know
really
put
it
out
there.
We
want
to
develop
this
lot,
this
area
of
the
city,
here's
the
tax
breaks,
here's
all
of
the
things
to
to
make
this
a
proper
incentive,
and
we
wanted
to
be
of
this
mixed-use
mixed
income
sort
of
thing-
and
I
think,
even
if
that
was
done,
you'd
still
have
an
uproar.
D
D
I
would
argue
that
another
piece
of
the
role
is
to
you
know,
have
open
ears
and
be
very
diligent
in
listening
to
a
large,
complex
project
like
happening
in
the
south
end
and
trying
to
figure
out
all
the
nuance
and
ins
and
outs
behind
something
like
that,
because
that
could
be
a
game
changer,
but
it's
also
a
huge
risk
for
the
city
and
for
all
the
people
that
are
involved.
On
the
other
side,
I
mean
it's
not
like
these
things
come
without
risk.
D
There's
something
pretty
fascinating
about
that
and
you
feel
like
you're,
really
a
part
of
what's
happening.
So
I
I
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
I
just
sometimes
I
just
get
my
car
and
just
drive
around,
and
you
know
you
can
see
that,
hopefully
a
place
that
you
know.
People
refer
to
as
small
bunny,
which
by
no
means,
I
think,
is
representative
of
our
small
corner
of
the
world,
is
growing
and
doing
some
things
that
you
know
may
not
have
been
easy
to
get
to,
but
winter.
D
Actually
the
tree
is
starting
to
sprout
and
grow
may
have
made
better
sense.
So
I
think
that
maybe
some
diversity
in
the
types
of
projects
would
help,
but
that
would
require
like
do.
We
have
some
huge
employer,
that's
going
to
come
and
build
a
headquarters
in
the
middle
of
a
400
year
old
city.
I
don't
know,
that's
something
that
happens
in
a
rural
area
with
infrastructure.
That's
not
what
you
know:
wood
pipes
underneath
the
ground
there's
just
some
challenges
that
we
have,
and
I
think
you
know
this
is
part
of
the
process.
D
I'm
you
know
I
I
welcome
being
a
part
of
the
process,
but
I
think
I'm
not
all
negative
and
boohoo
on
this.
I
think
I
think
there
are
some
some
tremendous
things
that
we've
done,
but
I
think
there's
always
the
opportunity
for
all
of
us
to
continue
to
learn
and
become
better
continuous
improvement
is
the
mantra
so.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
am
glad
to
hear
that
there
are
some
happy
times
in
this
process
as
well,
because
I
know
you
know
there
is
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
and,
and
sometimes
it's
not
all
happy
times,
but
thank
you
again.
Thank
you
again
for
your.
It's,
your
willingness
to
continue
to
be
on
this
board.
A
Okay,
any
other
council
members
wish
to
have
make
ask
a
question
or
make
a
comment.
E
Yeah
I
mean
first
I'd
like
if
richard's
still
on
he's
on,
but
he's
not
all
right.
So
I
I
do
want
to
look
back
to
what
my
concerns
about
563,
new
scotland
r.
You
may
recall
that
I
raised
the
issue
about
vegetative
coverage.
E
The
developer
basically
argued
that
the
green
roof
vegetative
coverage
under
the
usdo,
which
I
think,
isn't
even
a
stretch,
it's
just
a
non-starter
because
the
green
roof
is
not
landscaping,
buffering
or
screening
materials.
So
I
do
I
I
want
to
just
cover
these
three
things
that
I
had
specific
concerns
about
see
if
they
jog
your
memory
and
see
if
you
want
to
respond.
E
Another
issue
was
that
there
are
four
buildings
on
three
lots.
There
are
two
buildings
that
are
on
one
lot
within
the
rm
district.
According
to
the
plans
and
in
the
in
the
usda
specifically
says
you
can
only
have
one
principal
building
on
a
lot
in
the
rm
district.
E
E
Lot
coverage
restrictions
and
the
third
thing
was:
we
were
pointing
out
repeatedly
that
there
was
a
restrictive
covenant
that
was
entered
into
before
we
adopted
the
usda.
E
E
Which
is
what
is
zone
four
at
the
rm
of
course.
Previously
those
lots
had
been
restricted
to
two
and
a
half
stories,
and
there
were
concerns
about
the
impact
on
the
overall
neighborhood.
So
this
this
agreement
was
reached
and
there
was
a
restrictive
covenant
filed
and
the
restrictive
covenant
very
expressly
says.
The
city
has
the
ability
to
enforce
that
the
the
land
the
property
owner
has
consents
to
the
city
enforcing
it.
E
E
It
wasn't
like
people
didn't
want
it,
but
it
used
to
be
that
there
would
be
more
discussion
and
more
accommodation
of
residents
concerns
in
this
case.
It's
not
even
really
a
matter
of
accommodation.
It's
a
matter
of.
Let's
have
this
complied
with
the
usdo.
E
So
there's
the
vegetative
coverage
issue,
there's
the
two
buildings
being
allowed
on
one
lot
in
violation
of
the
usdo
and
then
there's
the
decision
to
completely
dismiss
and
ignore
the
restrictive
covenant.
Does
that
jog
your
memory
and
do
you
have
any
responses
to
that.
D
So,
to
be
clear,
I
did
not
say
I
wasn't
familiar
with
the
case.
I
said
I
don't
have
my
notes
and
I
don't
have
a
case
file
in
front
of
me
to
go
into
very
specific
detail
which
you're
outlining
now
I
can
give
you
a
general
on
everything
that
you
mentioned.
We
have
counsel,
we
talk
to.
Counsel
counsel,
gives
us
advice,
we
listen
to
counsel
or
we
disagree
with
counsel.
D
So
I
know
there
was
a
discussion
on
that
last
item.
Going
back.
I
remember
there
being
multiple
sets
of
drawings
and
configurations
of
those
of
those
lot
lines
and
there
being
some.
D
I
don't
remember
exactly
what
the
specific
issue
was
that
we
debated,
but
I
know
that
was
part
of
it.
I
think
everybody
was
aware
that
the
project
was
ambitious
and
large,
but
I
also
think
that
what
folks
were
looking
at
is
the
the
concentration
of
industry
in
that
particular
space
with
the
hospital
right
across
the
street
and
the.
D
The
the
rule
for
green
and
blue
roofs
and
all
of
that
stuff-
you
know
this
was
relatively
early
in
our
in
the
usda
discussion.
Hadn't
been
well
defined,
could
have
had
more
liberal
versus
conservative.
D
You
know
construction
of
its
application.
I
think
again.
The
point
that
I
made
with
councilman
bellaron
is
that
you
know
an
opportunity
for
us
to
examine
projects
in
a
full
scope,
as
opposed
to
a
particular
lane
might
provide
context.
So
when
we
say
a
project
is
too
big,
what
does
that
mean?
D
D
D
But
again,
I
don't
necessarily
know
if
we,
if
we
have
solid,
rubrics
to
be
able
to
make
that
type
of
determination.
We
only
have
kind
of
the
box
that
the
usdo
and
the
framework
that
it
presents
that
allows
us
to
make
a
decision.
So,
yes,
I
can
certainly
remember
many
of
the
the
points
that
you
bring.
D
I
welcome
another
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
about
them.
If,
if
that's
your
desire-
but
I
think
you
know-
we've
gone
that
project
didn't
just
go
through
in
one
meeting
or
one
workshop.
There
were
months
and
months
and
months
and
months
with
evolving
conversation
on
that.
So
I
would.
D
I
would
say
that
we,
you
know,
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
the
decision,
for
you
know
for
the
betterment
of
the
the
city,
and
it
was
I
mean
I
can
remember,
being
a
long
line
of
people
that
that
came
in
to
to
rebuff
that
move,
and
I
understood
I
understood
you
know
people
people
that
live
nearby
were
concerned
about
many
things,
and
I
think
that
happens
with
most
of
the
projects
that
we
do
or
don't
do.
C
Ahead
and
put
in
the
the.
H
Agenda
about
how
much
time
we
would
have
chris,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on,
and
then
I
have
a
fast
question.
You're
right.
You
know
that
we
put
up
a
chase
manhattan
bank
here
on
western
in
homestead
and
it
was
being
pushed
back
against.
I
got
involved
the
church
of
the
diocese
of
albany,
wrote
to
me
and
asked
me:
what
can
I
do
and
I
had
to
pull
a
lot
of
strings
and
the
big
issue
was
12
parking
spots
versus
what
chase
manhattan
won.
It
was
23..
H
What
I
want
to
say
to
you
in
my
car
is
trying
to
get.
You
know.
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
it
already
or
not
what
a
beautiful
building
they
did
landscaping.
They
do
have
those
extra
spots,
and
you
know
you
don't
even
notice
them,
because
the
way
they
did
the
landscaping
and
stuff.
So
I
think
that
was
something
we
did
right,
but
it
took
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
my
part
in
the
neighborhood
association
part
to
try
to
get
them
in.
H
H
What
difference
you
know
putting
up
these
buildings
and
in
taxes
and
stuff
in
lieu
of
the
you
know
the
ida
money
that
we're
not
going
to
see
for
some
cases
20
years?
Is
it
and
what
are
the
rentals
like
with
all
these
buildings
going
up?
Are
they
fully
rented?
I
mean.
Is
that
stuff
that
you
guys
look
at
when
the
another
project
comes
up?
I
guess
my
question
is:
when
is
too
much
too
much?
How
do
we
judge
that
and
that
economic
you
know
result
so
that's
my
question.
You
with
the
economics.
D
Well,
this
is
this
is
an
easy
question
to
answer.
We
have
no
purview
there.
That's
not
that's,
not
the
role
of
the
board.
I
read
about
the
economic
impact
when
it
comes
to
the
times
union.
A
All
right,
I'd
like
to
give
I'd
like
to
give
staff
an
opportunity.
Do
you
want
to
make
any
comments
at
all.
K
Yeah
I'll
try
and
be
brief.
You
know
when
chris
was
first
nominated
to
come
on
the
board.
The
only
thing
I
could
really
I
really
knew
about
him
was
that
he
had
run
for
common
council
and
I
said
he
must
be
prevalent,
but
you
know
I
I
working
with
chris
he's
a
very
thoughtful
big
picture.
Individual.
I
think
he
really
has
a
vision
for
where
the
planning
board
can
go.
K
To
be
honest,
I
don't
know
if
he's
older
than
me
or
not,
but
I
I
certainly
do
look
up
to
him
in
a
sense.
I
I
definitely
like
the
way
that
he
he
carries
himself
and
has
carried
himself
tonight.
I
think
he
is
certainly
deserving
of
reappointment
and
I
I
wholeheartedly
support
his
nomination.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
turn
to
council
members.
Now.
Does
anyone
have
a
motion
they'd
like
to
put
on
the
floor.
C
E
E
You
know
they
can
I
mean
it
is
a
public
media.
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
justification
to
go
into
executive
session,
although
I
know
that
some
public
bodies
do
do
that.
For
this
kind
of
thing.
A
E
A
You
know
I
just
want
to
point
out.
I
am
concerned,
we've
got
a
pretty
stacked
agenda
here,
but
if
that's
something
that
you
all
feel
more
comfortable
with,
we
can
do
that
so
chris.
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
appearing
before
us
this
evening
and
we're
going
to
have
a
little
bit
further
discussion.
We're
also
going
to
talk
to
martin
for
a
little
bit
and
again.
We
thank
you
for
your
service.
D
I
A
Okay,
are
you
gonna
bring
in
martin
hall,
please.
A
Martin
welcome
what
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
is:
have
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
your
time
on
the
planning
board
and
why
you
hope
to
continue,
and
then
council
members
will
ask
a
few
questions
and
and
ask
you
to
respond
to
those.
So
you
can
go
ahead
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
service
on
the
planning
board.
G
G
I
mean
it
really
seems
like
everyone
wants
to
live
in
the
city
of
albany
now,
and
so
you
know
so
our
our
you
know
our
job
changed
fairly
dramatically
over
the
course
of
over
the
course
of
the
years
been
there,
and
you
know
I
think
you
know
fundamentally,
it
was.
It
was
good
to
be
good
to
be
there
and
good
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
take
part
in
and.
G
These
changes
through
the
city
of
albany
that
you
know
usdo
was
just
implemented
just
as
it
started
as
well
so,
but
that
also
kind
of
changed
the
way
things
happen
and
in
general
it's
been,
you
know,
I'm
a
planner,
so
it's
been
interesting
to
kind
of
see
how
things
evolved
over
over.
G
A
And
you
hope
to
continue
your
service
on
the
planning
board.
A
Okay,
why
don't
we
move
into
questions
then
from
council
committee
members?
First.
I
I
Thank
you.
I
gotta
break
the
awkward
moment
of
silence.
Okay,
so,
first
and
foremost,
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
back
on
on
the
board.
We
we
understand
that
we
know
that
we
appreciate
your
time
and
your
skills,
and
we
know
that
it's
a
volunteer
for
you
all
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
on
difficult
issues
and
and
it's
not
always
an
easy
or
pleasant
experience.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
have
gone
through
it
and
you
wanted
to
continue.
I
G
Well,
the
the
the
process
you
know
starts
with.
Obviously
the
application
coming
in
with
you
know
the
planning
department,
starting
their
work,
to
acquire
all
the
permits
and
all
the
other
information
everything
that
they
need
and
then
we'll
usually
they'll
usually
present
to
us
at
a
planning
board
workshop.
You
know
what
all
the
facts
of
of
the
case
are
all
the
information
that
they
have
on
hand
at
the
time,
and
you
know
from
there.
G
We
begin
you
know,
meeting
by
meeting,
trying
to
learn
more
about
the
the
project
and
eventually
you
know
leading
to
a
a
decision.
Usually
that
takes
you
know
four.
You
know
three
or
three
meetings
and
a
couple
of
workshops,
and
so
we
get
a
fair
amount
of
opportunity.
G
They
ask
questions
about
about
each
project
and
yes,
yeah
on
the
staff
is
from
all
the
departments
is
very
critical
to
us
understanding
the
project.
You
know
we
don't
ourselves,
have
have
the
time
to
dive
into
all
the
different
issues
that
are
that
are
presented
by
any
particular
project.
I
Now,
we've
all,
we
have
other
legislation
that
we've
got
to
deal
with
with
this
wonderful
document
called
the
usdo
and
we
we
just
received
this
on
friday,
so
it's
good
to
hear
that
you've
got
some
more
time
to
go
through
your
your
your
documents.
But
my
question
to
you
is:
you
know.
After
reading
this,
I
have
a
couple
of
suggestions
I'd
like
to
to
make
to
to
this
document,
and
I'd
like
to
hear
what
your
suggestions
are,
because
you
know
those
those
suggestions
now
have
to
grow.
I
They
don't
have
to,
but
they
go
through
the
board
and
then
they
come
to
us.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
what
are
your
thoughts
and
what
would
you
like
to
see
changed
as
part
of
this
document.
G
Of
the
usdo
well,
I.
G
I
think
a
couple
of
you
know
just
one
thing
that
I
can
think
of,
and
perhaps
it's
already
been
changed
is
to
better
define
the
height
requirements
right
expressing
them
in
feet
rather
than
in
stories,
which
I
think
would
make
our
job
a
little
bit
clearer.
G
I
think,
that's,
probably
probably
probably
the
key
thing.
You
know
an
issue,
that's
been
important
to
a
lot
of
people
and
that
will,
if.
G
Made
it
easier
to
cope
with
and
and
let's
see
other
than
that,
I
can't
think
of
anything
off
offhand.
G
Listen
to
some
extent,
I
haven't
necessarily
seen
it,
as
you
know,
as
my
you
know,
my
job
to
to
change
the
usda.
A
G
I
I
got
one
more
and
then
I
I
I
won't
haggle
at
a
time.
My
last
question
has
to
do
with
the
development
that
we
are
seeing
in
our
city
and
what
what
we're
seeing
on
certain
neighborhoods
versus
what
we're
not
seeing
in
a
lot
of
neighborhoods.
I
I've
said
this
before
and
I'll
say
it
again.
I
asked
that
central
avenue
be
treated
just
like
western
avenue
and
when
I
see
certain
development
on
one
side
of
central
to
the
end
and
other
type
of
development,
on
the
other
side
of
central
and
on,
and
I
think
of
the
generations
of
separation
of
our
society
that
we've
had.
I
So
how
would
how
do
you
see
yourself
in
your
position
as
a
representative
of
of
us-
and
you
are
our
representative
on
this
body-
you
know
you,
you
may
not
have
been
elected
by
your
by
the
the
residents,
but
you
will
get
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
ratified
by
the
council.
So
you
are
our
representative.
Those
members
of
the
members
we
have
to
go
to.
We
are
the
only
people
we
have
to
go
to.
You
know
that
have
that
have
an
obligation
not
to
anyone
but
the
citizens.
I
You
know-
and
that's
that's
the
beauty
of
you
being
a
volunteer.
You
know
you're
there
to
focus
on
making
things
better
for
our
residents.
So
how
do
you
see
yourself
trying
to
use
your
position
or
what
do
you
think
we
can
do
as
a
city
to
address
this
issue
as
we
promote
development
but
development?
That's
fair
for
all
residents
and
not
just
one
side
of
our
community.
G
So
you're
you're
you're
wondering
what
we
can
do
to
encourage
more
development
north
of
central
avenue,
we're
actually
seeing
a
fair
amount
along
clinton
avenue
anyway
right
now,
certainly
a
lot
of
residential
renovations
and
new
residential
and
mixed-use
buildings
along
a
big
part
of
that
corridor,
and
I
think
in
that
case
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
lot
of
programs
out
there
and
it's
it's
up
to
really
the
developers,
but
also
I
mean
the
city.
G
The
city
does
a
lot
to
encourage
them
and
help
them.
You
know
to
provide
various
subsidy
type
programs
in
order
to
make
those
projects
you
know,
feasible
and
and
and
and
doable
in,
you
know
in
in
the
current
current
in
current
conditions.
G
So
I
think
that's
been
somewhat
successful
already,
and
I
think
we
can
continue
to
you
know,
encourage
that.
Certainly
anything
the
city
can
do
to
promote
improvements
to
infrastructure,
to
make
the
infrastructure
of
the
city
and
the
city
provides
the
infrastructure.
It
should
you
know,
and
everyone
pays
taxes
into
it.
It
should
be
the
same
everywhere
and
that's
in
terms
of
streetscapes
and
landscaping,
and
traffic
control
and
traffic.
Calming
and
public
transportation
and
all
that
sort
of
thing
is
another
way,
certainly
that
we
can.
G
We
can
make
it
clear
that
the
city
is
all
one
city,
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
we
have
been
making
some
some
strides
in
that
in
that
area
as
well.
Of
course,
that's
not
something
that
the
planning
board
has
has
much
to
do
with
I
mean
in
terms
of
of
us.
G
You
know
we,
the
the,
I
think
the
issue
would
be
to
you
know
to
to
take
the
you
know
the
unique
nature
of
different
neighborhoods
into
account
when
we,
when
we,
when
we
look
at
a
particular
project,
you
know
within
the
to
the
extent
that
we
we
can
actually
do
that.
You
know
given
them,
given
the
parameters
that
that
we
have
to
work
within.
H
Good
evening,
martin,
mr
morgan
appreciate
you
coming.
Thank
you.
I've
been
on
some
of
these
meetings,
planning
board
meetings
with
you
until
11.
H
Get
out
of
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that
tonight.
When
I
got
elected
it
will
be
four
years
ago
in
november
a
project
came
up,
1211
western
avenue,
and
I
wasn't
even
in
office
yet-
and
I
made
went
to
my
first
planning
board
meeting
and
did
theatrics,
which
I
learned
later
was
probably
not
the
smartest
thing
to
do,
but
I
didn't
know
I
was
standing
up
for
the
people
that
that
had
just
elected
me
by
a
very
wide
margin.
By
the
way
there.
H
Made
me
smile,
but
the
12-11
problem
was
put
together
by
this
guy
john
grant.
He
was
a
developer
and
he's
the
type
of
guy
he
would
just
put
stuff
together
and
then
once
he
gets
it
through,
all
the
you
know
he
greased
the
right
hands
and
stuff
got
it
through.
He
would
sell
his
share
out
and
move
along.
So
we
have
two
big
developments
on
washington
avenue
where
it's
kind
of
it's
commercial
type
of
strip.
H
There's
hotels
fits
in
perfect,
but
you
know
we
became
before
your
board
that
you
serve
on
and
you
allowed
a
one
entrance
building,
176
apartments,
more
people,
not
enough
parking,
and
actually
I
worked
for
years
on
this
and
I've
been
sick
because
of
this
project.
But
I've
gone
through
the
files
of
the
the
playing
department
on
it,
and
I
did
see
a
letter
from
you
to
al
desalvo
talking
about
this
is
where
we
want
to
go.
H
We
want
to
push
public
transit,
we
want
to
push
this
tight
living
together
and
you
know
which
is
fine
on
a
street,
but
you
weren't
thinking
about
the
people
who
live
right
behind
there.
Okay,
the
people
who
will
be
affected,
who
will
no
longer
get
sunshine
because
of
a
seven-story
building
that
really
doesn't
belong
there
I
mean.
H
Gone
forward
because
they
got
to
bury
the
the
utility
lines
and
that's
going
very
slow,
they
are
going
to
probably
tear
down
the
building,
but
this
is
something.
H
A
lot
of
emails,
a
lot
of
phone
calls,
and
you
know
just
on
sunday,
I
got
called
by
a
neighbor
that
there's
a
kid
next
door,
having
parties
15
cars
parked
on
the
street,
and
this
is
a
young
kid
in
his
20s
and
all
his
friends
are
in
his
20s
we're
not
going
to
get
rid
of
cars,
and
you
know
I
it's
a
noble
pursuit,
but
most
likely
will
go
electric
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
am
disappointed
in
the
planning
board
and
actually
in
one
quote
that
you
just
had
that
we
want
to
be
one
city,
one
city,
all
humongous,
one
homogenous,
that's
not
what
womany
is
womany
is
15
awards
all
different,
all
with
different
histories,
all
with
different
backgrounds.
H
My
ward
is
an
old
farming
award.
I
actually
own
two
acres
up
here
and
I
could
probably
still
farm
I
have
a
little
bit,
but
it's
not
urban
okay.
So
how
do
I
deal
with
this?
How
do
I
go
back
to
the
people
in
my
ward
and
say
to
them
that
I'm
okay
with
this
type
of
development-
and
we
really
don't
know-
I
mean
I
got
this
usdo-
I'm
still
trying
to
get
through
it
rules
and
regulations.
H
You
know,
because
we
want
to
defend
what
we
have
the
investments
we
made
up
here
and
we
we
end
up
with
a
building
that
seven
stories
cost
around
32
to
35
million
dollars.
Half
of
it's
going
to
be
paid
for
by
an
ida
tax
breaks
that
we
as
taxpayers,
no
matter
how
you
want
to
play
it
we're
going
to
end
up
paying
for
this,
and
it's
going
to
be
20
years
before
we
start
seeing
the
real
returns
if
those
buildings
last.
That
long,
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
frustration
here.
H
I
let
chris
know
also,
but
again
you
do
do
the
job.
I've
been
there
and
you've
made
some
good
decisions.
So,
but
my
problem
is
how
do
we
get
a
fair
development
of
the
city?
Just
like
councilman
ballerin
said
that
it's
just
not
one
section
getting
developed.
It's
spread
out,
okay
up
here
in
the
15th
ward,
you
know
you
say:
well
we
could
take
the
buses,
we
don't
have
sidewalks.
H
Okay
in
the
wintertime,
you
know,
there's
no
walking
I'd
like
to
walk.
I
like
to
ride
my
bike.
You
can't
do
it
there's
no
sidewalks,
it's
not
safe.
Okay,
we
have
roads
that
were
built
for
horse-drawn
cars.
That's
how
wide
they
are.
So
you
know
there's
a
frustration
here.
I
hope
you
can
hear
my
voice
and
I
really
haven't
asked
you
any
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
out
there.
G
H
Reappointment
he
was
asked:
what
impact
does
the
citizens
have
when
they
come
down
and
testify,
they
were
told
zero,
zero,
no
influence,
so
I'm
a
taxpayer.
I've
been
paying.
You
know
six
seven
thousand
dollars
a
year
on
taxes,
and
I
have
no
say
in
what
goes
in
my
neighborhood.
That's
ludicrous
so
wanted
to
get
that
out.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
service
and
hopefully
we
can
make
this
a
better
place.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much
thanks
for
being
here,
martin.
E
As
I
expressed
to
chris,
I
welcome
this
opportunity
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
conversation
with
you,
because
when
I
go
when
I
comment
at
planning
board
meetings,
I
feel
like
there's
almost
no
dialogue
amongst
the
the
planning
board
and.
E
And
the
decisions
that
are
issued
are
pat
decisions
that
simply
state
what
the
criteria
is
that
you're
supposed
to
use,
but
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
usdo
in
terms
of
spelling
out
what
the
rationale
is
for
the
for
the
decisions
of
the
planning
board,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
residents
who
are
are
similarly
frustrated.
E
A
lot
of
constituents
were
similarly
frustrated
and
frustrated
about
both
the
decision
that
was
made
regarding
the
palladium
and
also
the
post
office
development,
and
I
there
there
are
three
specific
things
with
regard
to
the
post
office
development,
where
the
usda
says
that
you're
required
to
find
that
it
complies
with
usdo
before
approving
a
development,
and
I
don't
believe
that
it
does
comply
with
the
provisions
of
the
qsdo
or
the
intent
of
the
common
council.
One
of
them
is
with
regard
to.
E
These
are
all
issues
that
I
raised
and
other
people
raised
in
meetings
before
that
decision
was
made.
One
relates
to
the
fact
that
there
is
a
requirement
for
there
to
be
30
lot
coverage
for
screening,
buffering
and
landscaping
for
any
new
development.
E
This
was
pointed
out
and
the
other.
The
final
issue
is
the
fact
that
the
owner
of
the
property,
at
the
time
we
passed
the
usdo,
filed
a
restrictive
covenant.
Two
weeks
before
we
passed
the
usda
saying
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
development
above
three
stories
on
anything
that
we
then
agreed
to
be
zoned
as
rm
and
nothing
above
three
and
a
half
stories
for
the
m.
U
and
c.
E
The
three
stories
on
the
rm
was
very
important
because
we
previously
had
several
layers
of
a
different,
multiple
dwelling
type,
zoning
that
limited
limited
development
to
two
and
a
half
to
three
stories
to,
in
this
particular
case,
to
two
and
a
half
stories.
E
So
the
people
who
bought
their
properties
along
west
lawrence
had
anticipated
that
we
have
zoning,
and
this
is
what
this
is
zone
four
and
they
did
not
anticipate
having
three-story
buildings
directly
above
budding
large
lots
of
large
single-family
lots,
which
is
also
not
generally
consistent
with
good
planning
standards.
E
That
particular
restrictive
covenant
expressly
said
that
the
owner
was
consenting
to
it
applying
to
subsequent
owners.
It
runs
for
the
land
and
also
consenting
to
having
the
city
enforce
that
restrictive
covenant.
E
So
everything
that
was
done
on
this
project
with
regard
to
how
large
it
was
and
how
much
and
how
much
there
was
parking,
lots
and
and
buildings
as
opposed
to
adequate
green
space,
for
it
was
a
frustration.
People,
as
you
know,
are
often
referred
to
as
nimbies,
because
they
don't
want
development.
It's
not
a
matter
of
people
in
our
neighborhood,
not
wanting
development.
I
think
that
they
welcome
development.
E
They
would
love
to
see
this
be
developed.
The
question
is
appropriate
development
and
development
that
complies
with
the
usdo,
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
general
sense
that
the
planning
department
and
the
planning
board
bend
over
backwards
to
accommodate
developers
while
ignoring
the
desires
of
people
in
the
neighborhood
and
while
ignoring
the
language,
the
express
language
of
the
usdo.
G
Well,
I
I
think
to
the
best
of
of
my
ability
to
to
you,
know,
investigate
and
and
learn
about
the
the
project
in
the
us
d.o.
I
think
it
did
it.
It
did
seem
to
meet
the
requirements.
G
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
it's
a
big
and
complicated
document
and
there's
certainly
some
ambiguity
here
and
there
and
some
inconsistencies
perhaps,
and
so
I
think
I
think
we
or
I
you
know-
I
think
it's
very
important-
that
planning
be
based
on
some
kind
of
you
know
some
some
kind
of
legal
and
and
foundation
some
kind
of
planning
foundation,
some
kind
of
precedence,
so
that
everyone,
as
you
point
out,
everyone
can
can,
can
understand,
what's
allowed,
both
on
a
lot
that
they
own
and
a
lot
next
door,
a
lot
that
might
be
affected
by
a
particular
place,
and
you
know
after
many
you
know
many
many
hours
of
you
know
talking
to
staff
talking
amongst
ourselves
and
and
listening
to
also
reviewing
plans
and
and
listening
to
various
people
speak
on
it.
G
It
seemed
that
it
seemed
like
it
did
meet
the
requirements
of
the
of
the
usdo,
and
I
you
know
I
think
that
goes
well.
G
You
know
we,
you
know
that
goes
for
pretty
much,
every
project
that
we've
that
we've,
that
we've
addressed
and
some
you
know
some
we
haven't
approved
like
the
stewart's
on
on
on
coleman
and
washington
recently
that
was
that
was
rejected
because
it
did
not
meet
the
standards
of
the
us
d.o,
and
I
think
you
know,
I
think
it's
an
example
of
a
project
that
that
came
up
the
other
way,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
I
think
some
people
disagreed
with
that
result.
G
So
so
I
think
yeah.
I
think
it's.
E
Can
I
can
I
offer
to
I
provided
staff,
and
I
don't
know
who
might
be
prepared
to
show
you
on
a
screen
the
provision
regarding
the
vegetative
coverage
requirement
and
see.
I.
A
A
Anyone
who
hasn't
how
about
other
council
members
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions.
H
A
Know
that
well
and
I'd
like
to
give
others
excuse
me
I'd
like
to
give
other
council
members
an
opportunity
to
speak.
A
I
Yeah,
I
I
didn't
have
a
problem
with
anybody
else
coming
speaking
because
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
we
should
hear
from
as
many
council
members
as
possible.
You
know
because
there
has
been
a
lot
of
issues
and
concerns
with
you,
know
this
body
and
this
board
specifically,
and
you
know
who
influences
it
versus
who
doesn't
influence
it.
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
who
holds
more
influence
in
your
decision
making?
And
you
know
the
staff?
Oh,
I.
I
Because
the
question
came
before-
and
we
asked
you
know
the
last,
not
the
last.
The
last
time
we
had
anyone
from
this
body
come
before.
The
council
was
almost
almost
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
maybe
even
two
years,
and
the
question
that
has
become
infamous
was:
who
has
how
much
influence
does
the
resident's
opinion
on
a
project
have
and
it's
become
influenced
because
the
answer
was
none,
so
I
guess
I
want
a
better
understanding
of
who
does
have
influence
on
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
on
this
body.
I
How
much
influence
does
the
staff
have?
How
much
info
does
residents
have?
How
much
influence
do
the
developers
have
versus
how
much
influence
is
just
your
basic
knowledge
of
this
very
complicated
document
and
where
you
can
take
one
sentence
from
this
document
to
justify
you
know
you
know
I
look
at
page
one
section:
where
am
I.
I
G
I
think
again
the
the
the
key
thing
is
the
is
the
usdo
itself,
what
you
know
what
it
says
and
it's
in
in
the
totality
of
all
the
many
various
sections
that
that
are
included
there
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
So
it
is.
G
The
usdo
is
the
number
one
thing,
because
the
usdo
was
the
subject
of
a
year,
two
years
of
public
outreach
and
public
meetings,
and
I
was
in
a
lot
of
them
and
I
saw
hundreds
of
people
attend
those
citizens
of
albany
and
then
it
was
presented
to
the
common
council
to
be
passed,
and
so
the
usdo
was
passed
by
the
approved
by
the
common
council.
I
don't
think
I
should
second
guess
what
all
those
people
in
the
common
council
have
determined
to
be
the
guidelines
for
development
in
the
city
of
albany.
G
I
mean
if,
if
we
we
don't
have
any
buildings
taller
than
two
stories
in
the
entire
city
of
albany.
If
that's
our
vision
for
the
city
and
you
build
that
into
the
usdo,
and
you
make
that
absolute,
I
would
be
happy
to
see
that
I
would
love
to
see
that
right
now,
it's
a
complicated
document
partially
because
developing
a
city
is
very
complicated.
The
way
a
city
develops
way
people
are
influenced
and
so
on
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
G
So
so
we
we
work
with
it
as
best
we
as
best
we
can,
and
in
some
cases
you
know
in
some
cases,
I'm
sure
it's
not
not
perfect.
The
way,
the
way
things
work
out,
but
I
can
say
unequivocally
that
it's
the
usdo
and
and
my
best
interpretation
of
it
that
that
that
is
the
number
one
influence.
I
think,
that's,
I
think
that's
honest,
because
that
most
accurately
reflects
the
the
the
the
full
understand
or
the
full
desires
of
the
of
the
people
of
the
city
of
albany.
G
So
anyway,
that's
that's.
That's
that's
that's
my
answer.
I
I
G
I
well,
I
think,
the
I
I
think
the
at
this
point
in
time.
The
usda
has
at
least
had
something
to
say
about
every.
You
know
something
of
value
to
say
about
everything.
That's
come,
that's
come
before
us,
so
I
don't
yeah.
I
don't.
I
think
I
think
if
there
were
such
a
situation,
it
would
have
to
be.
You
know
and
have
to
you'd
have
to
listen
to
everybody.
G
You
know
you'd
have
to
listen
to
the
staff,
who
really
know
the
city
well
and
not
just
planning
staff,
but
but
the
fire
department,
the
police
department,
all
the
other
different
groups
that
that
work,
the
water
department
and
you
know,
and
the
people
in
the
neighborhood,
certainly
and
common
council-
and
you
know,
try
to
try
to
hammer
something
out.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
give
staff
an
opportunity
to
say
anything
at
this
point,
they'd
like
to
say.
K
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
speak
favorably
on
on
martin's
behalf.
You
know,
he's
a
well-respected
professional
in
the
planning
community
and
ask
anyone.
That's
worked
with
him
and
most
of
us
have
at
one
time
or
another.
They
know
him
and
have
nothing
positive
but
positive
things
to
say-
and
I
think
he's
you
know-
he's
acted
appropriately
on
the
board,
he's
doing
his
his
duty
and
enforcing
the
rules
and
regulations
as
they're
written
or
in
some
cases
interpreted
by
council.
You
know,
I
think
the
blood
plasma
was
a
good
case
yeah.
K
It
didn't
cover
everything,
but
you
know
I
think,
in
the
position
that
everyone's
in
they
do
best
to
fulfill
their
obligations,
and
you
know
you
know
he's
conducted
himself
with
honor
and
dignity
through
the
whole
process.
So
I
ask
you
to
please:
you
know,
support
us,
not
renomination.
Thanks.
A
Okay,
martin,
thank
you
very
much
for
appearing
before
us
again.
Thank
you
for
your
tremendous
service
over
these
last
years.
Now
what
the
council
will
do
is
we'll
have
a
discussion
and
take
a
vote
on
your
reappointment,
so
we
really
appreciate
you
appearing
before
us.
Okay,.
G
Yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
thanks
for
thanks
for
listening
to
me.
Thank
you.
That's
good!
Take
care.
Thank.
A
You
okay!
So
now
we
want
to
have
discussion
about
the
two
candidates.
Why
don't
we
begin
with
mr
ellis
comments
about
whether
or
not
you
would
hope
to
approve
or
just
disapprove
his
renomination
so.
E
A
L
Jr,
the
appointment
letters
I
believe
was
dated
december
30th.
Are
they
different
for
each
person
nah?
They
both
they
both
were
sent
the
same
day
december
30th
we
got
it
sent
via
email
danielle.
Was
that
the
same
date
you
got
when
you
stamped
it
in
the
city,
clerk's.
L
I
I'm
okay,
with
moving
forward
with
mr
alice.
I
think
I've
been
in
meetings
where
I've
heard
chris,
you
know,
be
a
counter
to
certain
viewpoints
and
I've.
I've
appreciated
that
because
many
times
there
are
no
counters
to
certain
viewpoints,
so
I'd
be
okay
with
moving
forward
with
with
chris.
I
do
respect
everybody
else's
opinion
on
this,
and
I
know
this
is
a
very
hot
button
issue.
I
So
by
no
means
should
I
be
the
only
voice
heard,
but
I
did
want
to
put
that
out
there
and
I
one
thing
I
don't
want
to
see
happen
is
I
don't
want
to
see
the
council
not
get
a
vote
on
this,
because
I
do
think
everyone
on
the
council
should
get
a
vote
on
this
and
I
would
hate
for
it
to
get
stored
out
to
the
point
where
the
45
days
pass
and
the
council
doesn't
get
a
vote
on
this.
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
A
Well,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
find
out
what
the
outside
date
is,
that
we
would
have
to
have
a
vote
on
this.
A
A
I
you
know
you
wanted
to
you
wanted
to
get
into
the
whole
issue
about
the
vegetative
happy.
E
H
To
support
both
of
them,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
judy's
questions
are
answered
and
I'm
going
to
stick
by
that
you
know
I
I
was
hurt
kathy.
I
think
you
could
have
let
her
go.
I
think
you
should
have,
but
that's
me
you
know
I
was
ready
to
call
an
overrule
of
the
the
chair
which
I'm
allowed
to
do
and
have
a
vote.
But
you
know,
let's
not:
let's
try
to
work
together.
H
H
A
A
All
right,
so,
let's
move
on
to
the
ordinance
and
actually
michelle
we'll
off
we'll
have
to
come
up
with
another
date,
for
maybe
we
can
add
the
you
know
these
two
resolutions
on
to
one
of
our
other
meetings
coming
up.
I
think
we
have
I'd,
have
to
look
at
the
I'd,
have
to
look
at
the
calendar.
H
Yeah,
can
we
do
before
the
caucus.
L
We
no
we're
gonna
have
to
schedule.
Another
meeting
next
meeting
is
the
16th.
We
have
to
schedule
another
meeting
in
between
that
probably
the
week
of
the
eighth
or
something
michelle.
Why
wouldn't
it
have?
No,
we
couldn't
do
that
because
the
first
I
mean
at
this
point
january's
already
packed
up,
probably
the
tuesday
26,
but
that
would
have
to
be
noticed
today.
L
But
the
thing
is,
I
have
to
check
with
these:
would
you
like
them
to
have
to
reappear?
Here's
the
question.
A
Well,
I
don't
know
I
mean:
do
I
mean
judy
you're
going
to
ask
these
questions
that
you
still
that
you
haven't
been
able
to
get
answered
separate
from
the
meetings?
So
do
we
need
to
have
them
at
the
meeting?
Is
the
question
I
don't
feel
the.
E
I
A
All
right,
then,
the
next
question
would
be
do
we
need
to
have
brad
here
in
order
to
comment
on
any
of
the
anything
that's
brought
up.
B
B
A
All
right:
well,
it
sounds
like
there's
a
conflict
then,
as
far
as
that
day,
we're
talking
about
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
be
here,
but
we're
going
to
make
this
the
votes
going
to
take
place
without
them
in
the
room
anyway,
brad.
H
And
I
think
we
judy
said
that
they
don't
need
to
be
here
that
she's
going
to
get
the
answers
and
we
can
vote
on
it.
So
what
was
the
date.
C
A
H
C
L
But
I'm
saying
this
meeting
will
be
long
or
short:
what's
the
duration,
because
you
have
to
fight
through
30.,
my
feeling
will.
I
L
M
So
the
actual
45th
day
is
february
16..
The
reason
I
say
february
1st,
because
in
terms
of
our
regularly
scheduled
meeting
february
1st
would
be
the
would
be
within
that
45
day
time
frame
february.
16
is
a
tuesday,
but
we
are
meeting
on
the
thursday
of
that
week
of
the
18th.
That's
why
that
doesn't
work.
M
M
That
way,
you
might
have
more
flexibility
in
terms
of
fitting
in
a
meeting
prior
to
february
10th,
if
you
want
for
the
planning
committee
to
have
further
discussion,
possibly
monday
february
1st,
before
our
meeting
that
evening,
but
so
just
want
to
make
that
point.
The
actual
45
days
is
february
16th,
but
in
terms
of
when
we
have
a
regular
full
meeting,
that's
why
you
would
look
at
february
1st.
You
can
always
look
at
a
special
meeting
if
you
want,
prior
to
the
16th.
H
The
second
meeting
of
the
february
is
not
going
to
be
the
18th,
because
it.
M
Will
be
the
it
will
be
the
18th,
because
the
monday
of
that
week
is.
M
Day,
yeah
and
that's
why
the
45
days?
Actually
it's
actually
46
days
because
the
holiday
it's
bombed
to
the
following
workday.
A
K
I'm
I'm
having
a
hard
time
following
what's
what's
going
on
behind
the
scenes
here,
but
I
I
I
can.
I
can
probably
make
myself
available
if
need
be
I'll,
have
to
just
relook
at
the
planning
board
agenda
and
just
see
if
there's
anything
critical
that
needs
my
attention
so.
H
I
Live
is
tight
for
me
because
I've
got
I'm
in
the
office
on
tuesdays,
so
I'm
running
back
and
forth,
but
if
that
works
for
everybody
else
I
can.
I
can
just
be
on
my
phone.
So
that's
fine
I'll
make
it
work.
C
A
A
All
right,
let's
move
on
to
the
ordinance
46
122
20.,
an
ordinance
amending
chapter
375
of
the
usdo
regarding
renumbering
such
chapter.
A
All
right,
so
everyone
judy's
you
had
the
clean
copy
a
little
longer
than
everyone
else
and
others
have
had
it
since
friday.
I
know
we
received
a
memo
from
brad
that
listed
some
of
the
more
substantial.
A
Changes
that
need
to
be
made
and
judy
you've
gone
through
and
and
come
up
with
a
list.
I
don't
know
if
others
have
as
well.
So
why
don't?
We
start
by
brad
going
through
your
changes
that
you
pointed
out
in
your
memo
that
you
sent
out
and
michelle
if
you
could
put
that
up.
E
E
I
was
thinking
giving
brad
a
little
bit
of
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
where
we
are
and
what
our
goals
are.
A
H
Ahead
because
I
just
got,
you
know,
format
pro
questions
and
he
as
he's
addressing
stuff,
I'm
sure
you'd
be
able
to
you
know,
answer
them.
One
of
the
things
like
reapplication.
H
You
know
they're
going
to
take
a
hyphen
out
of
reapplication,
but
I
actually
went
online
and
it's
funny
and
I
got
records
of
it.
You
know
half
the
people
use
a
hyphen
half
don't
so
I'm
just
wondering
on
that
one.
You
know
what
the
thinking
was.
Do
we
really
need
to
change
that?
The
other
one
was
am
pm
where
you
put
periods
after
the
a
and
the
m,
and
I
looked
that
up
and
again
it's
half
and
half
some
people
use
it
some
don't.
H
K
Okay,
so
the
main
purpose
of
this
endeavor
is
to
get
the
code,
the
the
usda
chapter,
375
included
within
our
online
general
code
codification
system
in
a
format
similar
to
the
rest
of
the
city
code.
When
the
the
usda
was
initially
adopted,
it
was
our
presumption
that
you
know
it
would
be
codified
online,
the
sim
similar
to
any
other
ordinance-
that's
passed
by
the
council
in
the
case
of
uco,
because
it
was
such
a
large
document.
It
had
images
tables
so
on
and
so
forth.
K
It's
a
lot
more
complex
and
there
wasn't
enough
money
in
that
account
to
do
that,
so
we
were
able
to
through
our
our
contracts,
with
the
original
zone
through
clarion,
have
general
code
come
on
and
do
that?
Codification
which
is
covered
in
this
and
as
we
were
going
through
that
questions
I
know,
were
raised
about
inconsistencies
and
numbering
and
copy
edits.
K
So
we
just
said
to
them
in
addition
to
that,
when
you
convert
it
to
your
e-code
system,
can
you
go
through
and
correct
any
of
those
errors
that
you
see,
because
it's
a
really
time-consuming
endeavor
that
you
know
you
know?
I
don't
know
anyone
in
my
offices
of
that
skill
level
from
an
editing
perspective
to
do
that,
so
this
was
professionally
done
by
e-code.
The
re-numbering
was
suggested
by
general
code
and
that's
our
main
objective.
K
Obviously,
if
there's
certain
things
that
don't
line
up
or
we
want
to,
you
know,
treat
dashes
or
pms
or
ams
differently
that
that's
fine
we're
open
to
changing
whatever,
and
you
know
as
we
distributed
this
document.
We
did
note
when
some
of
the
council
members
that
we
had
initial
conversations
with
and
follow
up
in
our
memo
that
the
redlined
version
of
the
changes
is
not
a
perfect
representation.
K
I
think
have
we
known
that
we
would
have
asked
them
to
do
it
in
some
other
format,
but
anytime
you
make
edits
that
document,
even
in
some
cases,
when
we've
tried
to
update
it
for
council
ordinances
that
were
passed,
you
know
the
tables
and
the
images
jump
around
in
a
way
that
forming
isn't
just
isn't
compatible
and
similarly,
it's
not
compatible
with
the
the
xml
format
that
e-code
has
converted
the
document
to
so
it's
their
best
document.
They
could
pursue,
produce
and
absent.
K
Formatting
changes
to
do
a
redline
version
for
the
council
to
review.
It
was
also
pointed
out
that
there
were
certain
aspects
of
there
were
certain
articles
that
code
where
you
know
something
is
redundant
in
the
code,
so
the
same
regulation
is
essentially
listed
in
two
different
places,
same
or
very
similar
regulation
and
in
some
cases,
those
didn't
line
up.
K
For
instance,
you
know,
I
believe,
in
the
residential
village
zone
district,
there
was
a
conflict
between
the
setback,
the
rear
yard
setback
that
was
listed
in
the
dimensional
table
at
the
at
the
development
stage
of
the
code
and
the
dimensional
table
in
the
district
standards
where
they
lay
out
different
districts
at
the
beginning.
K
So
we
did
take
it
upon
ourselves
to
correct
those
handful
of
errors
that
that
we
were
either
aware
of
or
in
some
cases
that
general
code
brought
to
our
attention.
I
think
we
caught
all
of
them.
There
were
five,
and
then
there
were
also
two
references
that
were,
and
it's
I
apologize.
If
I'm
having
difficulty
explaining
it,
it
is
a
little
bit
complicated.
K
Is
everyone
following
okay
or
do
I
need
to
yeah?
Okay,
when.
E
K
Okay,
when
our
original
plan
you
know
coming
to
the
council,
was
to
have
the
copy
edits,
the
renumbering,
the
codification,
as
well
as
all
the
content
changes
we
were
proposing
as
a
part
of
the
six
month
review
in
one
package,
so
we
contracted
with
eco
to
take
that
package
and
convert
that
to
the
xml
format,
knowing
that
there
would
be
some
changes
through
the
council
process,
but
also
hoping
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
you,
know,
adopt
it
and
then
make
a
bunch
of
changes
and
have
them
reformat
and
re-adopt
it
again
and
have
to
pay
them
to
do
that
work
again.
K
So
that
was
our
initial
objective.
You
know
at
some
point
in
the
process.
You
know
the
decision
was
made
just
to
put
the
copy
edits
and
the
renumbering
forward.
First,
which
case
we
had
to
go
back
and
sort
of
make
a
different
version
of
the
document,
whereas
things
were
got
a
little
confused.
So
there
were
two
instances
too,
which
is
attachment.
Two
in
the
memo,
where
content
that
we
were
proposing
to
be
changed
was
actually
left
in
the
document
and
we're
actually
suggesting
that
those
references
be
removed,
because
that
was
new
content.
K
That
was
not
in
the
original
usbo
document,
and
I
I
think
there
were
just
two
instances,
I'm
pretty
confident,
because
most
of
the
changes,
if
you
look
through
them,
are
clearly
a
renumbering
or
a
spell
change
for
a
couple
passages
where
there's
a
longer
change
to
the
text
and
those
are
the
ones
we
had
to
look
at
more
closely
to
make
sure
that
we
caught
those
those
sort
of
issues
there.
So
I
would
defer
to
the
council
as
to
how
they
want
to
handle
the
the
conflicts
in
the
in
the
content.
K
The
five
instances
that
we're
correcting,
if
you
do,
want
to
move
forward
those
in
this
version
or
if
you
want
to
leave
it
as
is
and
change
them
as
move
forward
with
the
larger
review.
But
I
would
suggest
we
make
the
changes
in
attachment
b
to
restore
those
to
what
they.
The
original
adopted
version.
K
I
Different
as
we
go
through
these
I'm
sorry,
so
I
spent
all
weekend
going
through
this
and
taking
what
was
putting
on
bail
boxes
versus
what
we've
received
in
the
past,
and
I
went
page
by
page
line
by
line
so
I'd
like
it
and
I've
made
notes
I've
linked
the
issues
of
what
I
see
here,
that's
different
to
here.
So
is
it
possible
to
go
by
as
we
go
to
this
and
go,
and
let
us
know
what
page
it's
on
on
this.
I
So
then
I
can
see
some
of
the
some
some
of
what
you
put
on
here.
I
know
I've
noted,
but
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
I
I've
noticed
that
I
don't
see
here
and
I'm
not
sure,
maybe
that's
just
because
I
missed
it
on
this
or
you
know
it's
a
big
document
to
go
to.
F
E
K
Yeah
and
thank
you
alfredo,
I
you
know,
we
certainly
didn't-
expect
there
to
be
errors
in
a
document
that
we
had.
You
know
contractually
contracted
with
someone
and
produced
for
us.
So
you
know
we
are
happy
to
bring
those
to
their
attention,
but
also
you
know,
if
you
can
bring
them
to
our
attention,
we
can
gladly.
You
know
supplement
that
that
memo
it's
great.
I
I
can
tell
you
this:
there's
the
sections
here
that
completely
cross
out
certain
sections
on
on
one
page,
and
then
you
go
two
pages
later
and
it's
on
that
page.
It's
the
same
wording
that
was
meant
to
be.
You
know
that
that's
here
is
correct,
but
it's
it's
in
here
and
then
it's
crossed
out
in
here
is
that
the
red
line
version
you're
speaking
to
yes.
I
Yes,
because
I
I
I
looked
at
the
other
version-
that's
not
red
line,
but
after
going
to
a
few
pages
of
the
three
documents
I
was
like
well,
let
me
just
go
with
the
red
line,
because
this
is
the
same
thing
and
then
I
actually
looked
at
the
one
online
because
you
guys
gave
us
this
in
black
and
white
and
my
eyes.
Aren't
that
good
after
a
few
pages,
so
I
had
to
go
online
to
try
to
pick
out
which
ones
make
sure
I
didn't
miss
anything
that
was
read
on
this.
K
I
E
Seen
this,
what
alfredo
is
talking
about
what
happened
in
some
cases,
if
there
was
maybe
a
minor
tweak
to
the
language
they
deleted
all
the
language
and
then
they
inserted
the
new
language.
The
interesting
thing
is
when
they
insert
the
new
language
they're,
not
showing
the
old
language
that
they
deleted
or
amended
at
all.
So
it
looks
like
it's
all
new
language,
but
if
you
look
at
the
you
know
the
the
copy
that
a
lot
of
us
have
from
2017.
E
You
see
that
language
was
in
there,
so
and-
and
frankly
that
happened
a
lot
of
places
in
this
there's
these
places
where
city
is
crossed
out
and
then
replaced
with
the
exact
same
word
with
the
same
capital
c
in
it
that
I
can't
figure
out
why
that
happened,
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
the
the
red
line
version
is
kind
of
to
my
mind,
is
only
helpful
to
potentially
issue
spot
where
there
might
have
been
changes
to
the
the
document.
It's
really
not
helpful
from
a,
I
must
say,
approving
standpoint.
A
Well,
okay,
so
why
don't
we
move
forward
fred,
let's
start
with
you,
if
everyone's
ready.
E
Can
I
can
I
can
I
start
with
one
question
that
I'm
wondering
about
having
been
through
in
detail
everything
but
article
4
and
a
little
part
of
article
5
that
I
haven't
gotten
to
yet
and
using
the
original
usdo
my
prior
edits
that
I
put
all
those
little
sticky
notes
on
many
years
ago
and
all
these
different
things
bottom
line
is
you
know
it's
an
improvement.
It's
a
huge
improvement
to
see
this.
E
K
So
I've
already
reached
out
to
kathy
about
setting
up
a
date.
You
know
I'd
like
to
come
in
and
you
know
kind
of
just
give
an
accounting
of
the
applications
that
we've
reviewed
and
the
different
types
of
applications
and
the
outcomes
and
the
results
through
the
first
three
or
four
years
of
administering
the
code
and
some
of
the
problems
that
are
evident
from
those.
If
you
see
10
variances
for
a
certain
item,
maybe
that's
something
you
want
to
look
at,
you
know
and
they
were
all
granted.
K
Let's
say
in
changing
the
code,
so
I
think
that
would
be
the
next
step.
You
know,
I
think
it
would
help
to
have
the
document
and
I
believe
it's
ready
to
go
with
general
code.
I
can
confirm
that
codified
and
online
and
accessible
to
everyone
when
we
go
through
the
six-month
amendments
or
I'd
really
love
to
call
them
something
new.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
gonna
want
to
do
that,
but
you
know,
I
think
you
know
we're
ready
to
to
move
forward.
K
I
think
if
you
wanted
to
take
a
little
more
time
to
go
through
these
changes,
I
mean
I
I
don't
you
know,
I
can't
say
that
we
have
time
for
our
staff
to
go
through.
You
know
and
compare
the
documents.
You
know
that
would
take
a
really
long
time,
given
the
other
things
that
we
have.
But
if,
if
council
members
are
looking
to
do
that,
I
think
we
can
make
that
accommodation
that
makes
them
more
comfortable.
I
think
the
sooner
we
get
it
codified
and
online.
J
K
E
F
K
I
think
we
would
like
to
sort
of
refresh
ourselves
to
you
know
what
we
were
dealing
with
with
the
planning
board
six
months
ago.
You
know,
and
I
think
we
want
to
be
conscious
of
the
time
that
we
have
in
moving
forward
with
this,
so
there
are
certainly
things
in
there
honestly
that
you
know.
K
I
would
like
to
take
a
second
look
at
whether
we
move
forward
with
them,
given
all
the
things
that
we're
discussing
here
in
the
time
you
know,
and
I'm
not
necessarily
talking
about
evading
issues
but
certain
reorganizational
principles
that
I
had
originally
put
forward.
You
know,
I
think,
maybe
those
you
know
don't
necessarily
need
to
happen
or
make
things
more
confusing.
I'd
rather
call
out
the
the
issues
that
are
of
substance
to
the
council
and
make
sure
that
we
get
at
those.
K
So
I
I
think
we
can
do
it
relatively
soon,
but
yeah
I
don't
have
an
exact
date
prepared.
I
can.
I
can
work
on
that,
for
you.
H
Not
a
fast
question,
it
relates
to
you
judy,
I'm
not
trying
to
cut
you
off.
I've
just
did
a
little
bit
of
research
on
xml
xml
is
actually
a
file
type.
It's
not
a
program
that
runs
and
the
reason
we
use
xml
is
so
we
can
do
hypertext.
H
So
if
something's
highlighted
you
click
on
it
and
it'll
bring
you
to
a
separate
part
of
the
document,
I
mean
for
us
to
really
be
able
to
look
at
it.
It'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
look
at
it
in
that
xml
format
and
everybody's
computer
has
the
program
you
need
notepad
from
what
I've
read,
will
support
xml
format.
So
if
you
could
give
us
the
file,
we
can
go
in
there,
we
can
test
the
hyperlinks
and
stuff
like
that,
and
that
would
probably
help
judy
with
her
research
on
what's
changed.
Thank
you.
K
A
I
I'm
gonna
follow
up
on
what
judy's
statements
were
I'll,
be
a
little
more
blunt.
We've
got
11
months
before
we
lose
five
of
our
elder
council
members.
These
are
council
members
that
were
here
only
seven
of
the
15
that
pastors
in
2017
are
still
here
today.
I
Five
won't
be
here
a
year
from
now,
so
you
know
they
want
to
have
a
say
in
this.
They
should
have
a
say
in
this
and
more
than
that,
as
someone
who's
newer
and
wasn't
a
part
of
the
process
in
2017
when
this
get
passed,
I
want
their
opinion.
I
want
to
hear
their
viewpoints.
I
want
to
hear
their
experience,
so
I
don't
so
I
I
said:
let's
blow
it
up
and
my
council
members
kind
of
calmed
me
down,
I
say
well
we're
doing
this
now.
I
Why
don't
we
go
to
it
now
and
make
these
changes
now?
And
my
council
members
said:
let's
wait
for
the
plan
department
to
come
with
their
proposed
changes.
Well,
I
actually
think
we
should
start
changing
it
now
and
let
the
planning
department
come
to
our
meetings
and
work
with
us
once
we
make
these
changes,
but
so
I
guess
our
senior
council
members
want
to
hear
from
you
they're
concerned,
I'm
concerned
that
we're
going
to
get
this
dumped.
I
Like
we
had
this
dumped
on
friday,
you
know
like
in
november,
not
giving
us
a
lot
of
time,
not
giving
a
lot
of
these
council
members
time,
and
you
know
I've
got
changes.
I'd
like
to
see
on
this.
Well,
oh
I
appreciate
it.
If
you
compose
a
number
change,
why
can't
I
propose
a
number
change?
I
mean
there
are
some
numbers
here
that
change
that
were
from
the
planning
board.
So
why
can't?
Why
can't
we
make
these
same
proposals
right
now?
You
know
the
proposal
I
was
changing.
I
I
I.
K
I'm
wrong
alfredo,
listen,
I
I
I
hate
to
cut
you
off,
but
I
I've
met
with
with
richard
and
judy
and
kathy
on
this
prior
to,
and
I've
expressed
the
same
thing
that
I
do
believe
that
their
concerns
deserve
to
be
heard,
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
we
do
this
in
the
time
frame
where
they
can
weigh
in
on
it.
However,
you
know
you
know
in
fact,
and
I'll
just
turn
this
around.
When
does
when
would
the
council,
like
the
amendments
buy
march
first.
I
I
K
Yes,
march
1st,
you
know:
listen,
I
want
you
to
know.
My
intent
is
not
to
drag
our
feet,
but
I
also
don't
want
to.
I
want
to
I'm
trying
not
to
over
commit
that.
That's
why
I'm
being
hesitant
with
this,
we
have
a
staff
of
eight
which
is
which
is
a
good
size
staff,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
that
we're
also
working
on,
and
you
know
I'm
just
trying
to
temper
expectations
here,
because
I
don't
like
to
make
deadlines
and
not
meet
them
but
march
1st
you'll
have
it
on
march
1st.
A
Oh
boy,
okay,
good!
So
let's
go
back
to
these
this
ordinance
now
and
then
go.
Can
we
go
through
the
the
changes
that
you
outlined
brad
and
any
of
the
you
said.
Some
absolutely
have
to
be
made
for
one
thing.
So.
K
A
I
had
asked
michelle
to:
she
could
put
the
document
up
for
everyone
to
see,
so
maybe
we
could
start
there
michelle
are
you
able
to
do
that.
A
Most
recent
january
18th,
okay
attachments.
J
J
K
So
if
we
could
just
scroll
down
to
the
first
attachment
the
attachment
one
is
going
to
detail
the
places
where
there
were
inconsistencies
in
the
original
document
that
was
adopted
so
on
the
left,
you're
going
to
see
the
existing
content
in
the
case
of
the
the
first
example
in
the
muci
district
in
the
the
zoning
district
standards
in
section
in
article
two,
it
speaks
to
a
residential
structure.
K
Residential
zone
district
must
be
a
minimum
10
feet
setback
when
excuse
me
where,
where
is
structure
of
butts
a
residential
zone
back,
there's
a
residential
zone
district
there's
a
minimum
of
10
foot
setback
required
in
a
in
a
separate
section
of
the
code.
In
this
case,
it's
in
the
text
in
the
dimensional
standards
below
that
section,
it
references
similar
provision
and
it
states
15
feet.
In
this
case
we
went
with
the
15
feet.
K
I
believe
that's
the
greater
of
the
two
and
being
that
we're
trying
to
buffer
residential
areas.
That
seem
to
be
the
logical
application
with
the
the
next
example.
It's
the
residential
village
zone
district
in
this
case
there's
a
conflict
between.
K
K
In
this
case,
I
believe
we
looked
at
the
existing
rv
zone
districts
and
most
of
the
built
conditions
of
existing
buildings
in
those
districts
with
respect
to
the
lot
lines,
and
we
concluded
that
10
feet
was
more
appropriate
fit.
It's
also
consistent
with
a
lot
of
modern
planning
principles
that
do
call
for
buildings
to
be
closer
to
the
roadway.
K
So
that
was
the
decision
there
in
the
case
of
the
definition
of
comprehensive
plan,
there's
actually
two
definitions
in
the
definition
section
one
is
under
city
of
albany
comprehensive
plan
and
the
second
is
just
comprehensive
plan.
We
removed
the
city
of
albany
comprehensive,
and
I
think
we
felt
that
the
comprehensive
plan
definition
was
was
a
stronger
definition
or
one
that
was
more
consistent
with
with
you
know.
That
was
our
preferred
example.
K
F
K
K
So
that's
proposed
on
the
right
and
in
the
case
of
the
final
one
here
it's
relating
to
posted
notices,
in
this
case
it's
referencing.
K
The
notice
must
be
posted
a
certain
number
of
days
prior
to
a
public
hearing.
However,
if
you
look
at
the
procedure
summary
chair
chart
for
different
types
of
applications,
not
all
applications
require
a
public
hearing.
Practically
a
lot
of
those
do
require
posted
notice,
even
though
what
they're
you
know
what
they're
just
a
public
meeting
applied
to
sort
of
a
development
application.
K
So
we
added
the
text
that
the
notices
in
this
case
should
be
posted
10
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing
or
the
initial
public
meeting
on
the
application.
K
Those
were
you
know
going
through
the
documents,
the
only
ones
that
the
five
that
I
could
identify.
You
know
where
there
was
a
conflict
that
we
are
proposing
to
correct
as
a
result
of
the
the
codification
or
as
a
part
of
the
codification.
K
And
then,
in
on
the
an
attachment
to
there
were
two
examples
where
something
that
we
had
go
down
to
the
the
following
page.
K
Two
examples
here
of
proposed
changes
that
were
in
our
our
original.
K
You
know
our
proposals
that
we
were
brought
to
the
planning
board
that
we
had
originally
sought
to
codify
with
general
code
that,
for
some
reason,
were
left
in
this
document
and
in
in
the
two
cases
here
we
had
added
no
loading
space
shelby
in
required
front
yard
or
a
corner
side
yard
when
a
property
is
on
a
corner,
it
very
arguably
has
two
front
yards
or
in
the
case
of
how
we
were,
or
maybe
proposing
to
you
know,
move
forward
with
that
corner
side
yard
and
with
respect
to
demolition
of
a
structure.
K
K
You
know,
ironically
enough,
that
was
one
of
the
the
proposals
that
the
the
planning
board
was
not
on
on
the
same
page
about
so
we
had
inevitably
taken
that
out
anyways,
but
it
did
show
up
in
a
section
of
this
document.
So
in
these
two
cases
we
believe
that
the
document
we
provided,
you
needs
to
be
amended
to
remove
these
two
sections
that
are
crossed
out
here
on
the
screen.
H
K
Oh
so,
in
attachment
two,
the
column
on
the
left
is
what
what
was
stated
in
the
original
adopted
usd.
B
K
H
Okay,
good
with
the
10
days,
is
that
business
days
or
10
days.
H
K
Yeah
yeah,
but
I
I'm
I'm
gonna,
guess
that
council
members
maybe
caught
something
else
that
I
didn't
put
forward
and
happy
to
hear
that
and
take
that
into
consideration.
H
A
H
H
And
then
the
dash
is
like
the
the
picture
or
something
yeah.
H
Okay,
I'm
then
on
375,
roman
numeral,
I
1-1
there's
a
change,
it's
city
of
albany
albanese.
I
see
a
cross
out
and
then
the
next
word
is
albany's.
With
an.
H
I'm
looking
staring
at
these
and
they
look
identical
is
one
you
know.
I'm
just
curious,
which
page
is
that
it's
375
I
1-1
on
the
first
paragraph
zoning
districts
established-
and
I
see
this
throughout
the
document
and
that's
why
I'm
questioning
you
know
early
on.
You
know
what
does
this
mean
in
doing?
You
know.
K
H
K
Tom
are
you
in
the
in
the
the
red
line
markup
or
the
clean
room,
yeah.
E
So
tom,
I
I
think
we
should
have
this
discussion,
and
that
is
what
is
it
our?
What
is
the
document
that
we're
going
to
be
adopting,
and,
in
my
opinion,
because
the
redline
version
has
so
many
of
those
kinds
of
issues
in
it,
we
can't
adopt
the
redline
version.
We
need
to
adopt
the
clean
copy
version
and
the
red
line
version
really
only
helps
us
potentially
identify
where
changes
have
been
made
in
this
document.
It
doesn't
tell
us
where
all
the
changes
have
been
made.
E
H
On
this
page
I
see
cities
on
number
three,
you
got
cities
crossed
out
and
then
reprinted
you
know,
are
they
just
doing
make
work?
I
don't
know
I'm
just.
K
H
Yeah
or
is
it
a
hypertext
where
you'll
click
on
that
and
you'll
go
to
see
that
doesn't
make
sense?
That
would
be
a
appointing
to
another
section
of
the
document,
but
I
see
this
a
lot
brad
and
that's
why
I'm
bringing
it
up
because
I'm
going
to
go
through
every
change
in
this
document,
that's
I
feel
my
duty.
That
would
save
me
a
lot
of
time.
If
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
things
like
that
and
if
michelle,
if
you
could
go
down
about
like
five
pages
so
it'd
be
I
1.1.
E
L
H
K
Yes,
I
I
can
see
it
so
I
mean
I
could
certainly
go
back.
C
H
H
G
H
B
E
I
agree,
that's
ultimately
so
so
going
back
to
that
discussion,
so
tom.
The
document
that
we
want
to
adopt
should
be.
Our
ordinance
should
be
revised
to
reflect
that
we're
repealing
and
redoc
re-adopting
the
or
adopting
the
entire
usdo
as
follows,
and
then
it's
just
the
clean
copy
that
we're
going
to
be
adopting.
E
E
E
So
there
are
a
lot
of
little
issues
like
this
in
this
in
this
document
that
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
what
is
going
to
be
our
approach.
On
the
one
hand,
we
can
get
through
this
set
if
we
don't
focus
on
that
too
much.
On
the
other
hand,
we
really
should
take
care
of
it,
then,
in
the
in
the
next
step,
and
those
little
changes
can
be
maybe
a
little
bit
more
confusing
a
little
harder
to
pick
up
at
that
point.
K
Is
I
mean
I
I
I
I'm
pretty
confident
that
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
accurate
representation
of
of
the
original
document.
You
know,
like
you
pointed
out,
there
are
probably
a
couple
of
mistakes.
I
I
mean
that
doesn't
necessarily
give
you
confidence,
I
you
know.
I
understand
that
so
I
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
either
I
would.
K
I
would
hope
that
the
council
would
move
forward
with
the
the
clean
version
that
we
produced,
and
I
think
that
I
can
confidently
recommend
that
we
can
go
through
and
take
another
cursory
look
and
obviously
you
know
you
all
are
looking
at
it.
If
you
see
something,
let
us
know
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
work
with
your
staff
to
to
make
those
corrections.
E
C
F
J
E
H,
it's
on
page
375.,
colin,
double.
E
K
K
E
I
K
We
can
go
in
whatever
direction
you'd.
Like
I
mean
I,
I
probably
glossed
over
that
because
I
personally
hate
the
redundancies
in
the
code
because
it
does
result
in
those
inconsistencies
like
we've
been
talking
about,
but
you
know
we.
J
E
So
there
is,
there
are
some
things
that
are
substantive,
that
I
think
that
we
can't
adopt
this
simply,
as
is
one
of
them,
is
the
fact
that
mobile
vendors
show
up
in
munc
as
a
temporary
use
on
the
use
chart.
E
E
And,
incidentally,
for
everybody
listening
in
here
it
wasn't
redlined,
it
didn't
show
up
as
underlined
so
yeah.
So
this
is
a
problem.
It's
also
a
problem
for
our
ability
to
review
rely
on
the
re
again
for
our
ability
to
rely
on
the
red
line
for
finding
things.
M
No,
it
isn't
it's
in
there
in
the
clean
copy,
as
if
it
as
an
addition
in
the
red
line
version
it's
in
there.
But
it's
not
indicated
as
a
change
to
what
the
current
law
of
the
current
code
says.
F
K
M
K
So
yeah
we
will
go
back
to
general
code
we'll
also
well.
You
know
we'll
also
try
and
take
taking
another
look
over
at
ourselves
and
see
if
we
catch
anything
judy.
A
E
Well,
there
there's
like
about
12
items
that
I
think
unfortunately,
sort
of
fall
into
this
category
brad
one
of
them
is-
and
I
don't
like
to
raise
a
source
subject,
but
our
code
currently
does
have
regulations
for
blood.
I
I
K
So
right,
so
the
changes
in
the
document
are
that
include
all
ordinances
passed
through
august
of
2020.
K
M
E
K
Now
I
mean
you
know
we're
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
work
on
it,
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
concerned.
We
don't
get
to
a
perfect
conclusion
here,
because
you
know.
H
H
Want
to
just
jump
in
this
is
a
huge
document.
G
H
At
a
tree
through
the
forest,
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
way
to
say
it,
I'm
wondering
if
we
broke
this
into
workable
pieces,
you
know
four
or
five
sections
of
the
usdo
allow
the
council
go
through
and
then
work
on
things
that
we
see
as
problems.
So
at
least
we're
accomplishing
something
it
we're
not
just
looking
at
a
whole
300,
something
page
document
that
we
want
to
change.
I
think
we
did.
You
know
smaller
bytes.
We
might
be
able
to
get
more
out
of
this.
K
We
would
certainly
appreciate
any
assistance.
You
know
it
may
help
council
members
study
up
in
those
particular
sections
for
the
upcoming
review
too,
and
get
to
know
them
a
little
bit
better.
A
I
A
lot
of
studying
this
weekend,
I
did
a
lot
of
studying
and
I
can
tell
you.
I
think
one
thing
that
to
make
it
easier
to
read
is
if
the
pages
on
the
document,
the
final
document
are
on
whatever
we're
reviewing,
because
when
you're
going
page
by
page
and
you've
got
different
graphs
on
different
sites
and
different
tables,
it
can
make
the
process
difficult.
I
I
mean
that's
how
I
went
to
it.
I
went
to
page
by
page.
I
didn't
get
through
the
whole
document.
You
know
I
just
I
just
I
didn't,
but
there
was
loud
things
that
I
found
that
was
changed
that
were
different
here
than
here,
and
some
were
not
highlighted.
I
Some
are
a
lot
of
are
here,
but
some
are
not,
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
page
16
and
17
in
this
book
and
page
one.
I'm
sorry.
A
Alfredo,
yes,
why
don't
we
finish
with
judy's
and
then
we
can
go
to
yours.
E
There
is
the
overall
issue
about
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
do
a
find
and
replace
for
all
the
places
where
article
6
shows
up
with
the
old
title.
It
seems
like
in
most
places
it
shows
up
with
the
old
title
of
definitions
and
rules
of
construction,
as
opposed
to
the
new
title
rules
of
construction
and
definitions.
I
would
think
that
that
could
be
a
find
and
replace
kind
of
thing.
Brad.
Is
that
something
that
you're
going.
K
I
think
you
do
it
fine,
but
I
don't
know
that
you
can.
We
may
be
able
to
edit
adobe
product.
I
think
I'd
rather
have
the
original
format,
though.
F
E
Our
current
most
recent
clean
copy,
yeah,
okay,
all
right
there
there's
a
place
on
in
375-206.
E
A
E
F
K
I
think
there
were
drawings
intended
to
be
added
there
based
upon
standards
that
were
developed
by
the
water
department,
and
I
don't
know
that
that
happened.
E
E
K
E
Yeah,
the
other
thing
is,
I
have
not
gotten
into
article
four
yet,
but
when
I
went
to
look
take
a
peek
at
some
of
the
changes
that
we've
made
in
you
know
since
the
adoption
I
that
the
incentive
thing
it
does
not
appear
to
be
reflecting
my
changes
and
I
didn't
go
back
and
print
out
my
changes
to
that
and
the
blue
roof
and
the
fact
that
we
have
a
temporary
stay
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
I
didn't
and
see
the
language
there.
E
K
I
mean
if,
if
you
know,
if
I
can
work
with
danielle,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
copy
of
all
the
ordinances
that
have
been
passed
since
the
adoption
of
the
code,
we
can
go
through
and
make
sure
that
all
those
are
in
there.
I,
I
think,
there's
probably
only
probably
less
fewer
than
ten.
K
G
E
The
four
the
four
are
tom
howie's
is
not
in
here.
The
blood
plasma
is
not
in.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
the
mine
on
the
blue
roof.
Green
roof
thing
is
not
in,
and
I
haven't
fully
checked
the
sign
ordinance
one
and
then
the
only
other
one
is
the
there
is.
There
is
a
fifth
one
that
was
some
sort
of
modification
to
the
floodplain
overlay
thing
for
us
to
refer
to
a
new
map
or
something
like
that.
K
I
think
I
saw
that
one.
In
any
case,
you
know
general
code
should
have
those,
so
I
don't
see
why
they
can't.
E
J
E
E
Okay,
so
go
ahead.
Challenge
me
all
right,
so
it's
under
exemptions
under
storm
water,
12
under
exemptions,
two
pair
three
paragraphs
down
a
capital,
a
and
then
the
last
sentence
and
no
field
shall
be
placed
that
will,
after
the
existing
drainage
pattern,.
K
So
they
that
was
changed
from
altar
to
after
these
yeah.
These
are
helpful
because
I
can
you
know
this
is
a
little
bit
more
fodder
to
throw
back
at
the
vendor
here.
So.
E
E
Yeah
so
there's
type
additional
zoning
related
fees.
I
don't
know
if
a
bunch
of
new
ones
were
added
in
or
not.
I
I
think
that
they
work.
You
know.
The
only
thing
is.
I
know
that
between
the
time
that
our
april
2017
book
came
out
and
our
adoption
there
was
a
list
of
some
additional
changes,
but
I
think
that
I
think
we
got
a
republication
of
the
book
back
then,
with
those
changes
in
it.
E
E
K
It
it's
interesting
because
I
know
when
we
were
originally
doing
the
adoption.
We
were
advised
that
most
you
know,
modern
codes
are
taking
the
fees
out
because
they
have
to
change
more
frequently
and
it
gives
more
flexibility
without
having
to
go
through
the
full
legislative
process
of
adopting
the
fees.
I
know
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
discussion
on
that,
but
it's
strange
to
me
that
we
would
have
added
something
in,
but
if
that
happened
then
you
can
proceed.
However,
you'd
like
in
taking
it
out
or.
A
E
Well,
the
interesting
thing
about
this
is
you're
supposed
to
have
your
fees
be
based
upon
the
actual
cost
of
the
review
and
the
labor
etc,
and
and
when
you're,
basing
the
difference
on
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
somebody's
applying.
For
I
don't
know
how
that
changes.
The
labor
for
the
review
of
that.
K
But
typically
we
require
an
as
built
site
plan
that
shows
the
site
condition
on
completion.
That's
compared
to
the
regular.
There
are
always
some
you
know,
minor
changes
that
come
up
during
construction,
but
really
do
we
run
into
an
issue
where
it's
so
far
off,
spec
that
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
corrected.
E
E
Tinker
with
more
of
of
this,
I
do
want
to
note
brad
that
I
came
across
something
on
375
by
12
in
chapter
five
that
says
application
fees.
Can
you
can
request
additional
fees
for
an
outside
consultant?
E
K
For
a
traffic
study-
or
I
I
know
oh
no,
this
is
for
seeker,
yes,
we're
aware
of
this,
but
this
is
for
when
you
report,
when
you're
doing
an
eis,
you
know.
Typically,
we
require
eis
is
for
rather
significantly
sized
project,
so
it
doesn't
come
up
too
frequently.
We
did
explore
that
when
we
were
reviewing
the
kenwood
project,
which
you
know
was
incredibly
ambitious
and
fizzled,
and
you
know
that
was
something
that
we
certainly
weren't
capable
of
taking
on
a
full
review.
In-House
of
so
that's
where
we
look
to
that
provision.
E
A
All
right
judy
are
you
through
yours.
Maybe
we
can
move.
E
A
So
why
don't
we
move
to
alfredo
you
wanted
to
discuss
some
of
the
changes.
E
A
And
now
just
I
just
want
to
do
a
little
time
check
here.
It's
8
20.,
it's
everyone
good
to
go!
A
little
longer,
we've
been
here
almost
three
hours.
A
E
I
I
K
No,
I
I
think
that
was
what
we
were
gonna
we
were
gonna
include
that,
in
our
more
substantive
changes,
what
that
was
intended
to
say
is
the
the
passage
under
provision
a
is.
It
is
supposed
to
state
conversion
of
a
single-family
dwelling
to
a
two-family
dwelling
and
passage
b
is
supposed
to
state
conversion
of
a
single
family
dwelling
or
a
two
family
dwelling
to
a
three
family
dwelling.
K
So
one
is
addressing
conversions
from
a
single
family
to
a
two
family,
and
one
is
convert
dressing,
conversions
from
a
single
to
a
two
fam
single
or
two
family,
to
a
three
family.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
stated
that
way.
However,
we
we
have
interpreted
it
consistent
with
the
intent
as
it
was
established
to
distinct
make
this
those
distinct
distinctions.
I
K
No,
no,
it's
it's
one
is
stating
the
conditions
that
you
need
to
meet,
to
convert
a
single
family
to
a
two
family,
and
the
second
is
stating
what
you
have
to
do:
to
convert
a
single
or
a
two
family
to
a
three
family.
Unfortunately,
the
first
one
currently
states
in
the
in
the
adopted
version.
They
both
state
the
same
thing:
they
both
state,
single
or
two
family,
do
a
three
family
dwelling.
E
I
Number
two
same
section:
well,
you
take
out
the
minimum
size
at
least
100
square
feet.
Okay,
each
unit
number
same
page
just
down
more
to
number
two,
so
I
I
I
still
and
then
you
go
to
number
two
and
it's
a
minimum
size
of
at
least
1
000
square
feet
and
each
unit
occupied
at
least
80
percent
of
the
single
floor
plate.
K
That's
one
of
the
crossouts
that
if
you
go
to
the
following
page,
it's
it's
repeat:
it's
restored
as
a
as
an
addition.
I
Okay,
page
39
on
this
book.
I
That's
a
whiny
dog,
oh
baby,
baby
fell
asleep
baby's
knocked
out,
he's
all
sleeping,
which
is
good.
You
probably
won't
be
sleeping
in
a
couple
hours.
That's
okay!
In
the
table.
It
says
here
this
was
in
moth.
It
says
300
feet
in
depth,
but
on
the
table
with
the
building
standards,
it
says
200
feet
in
depth.
F
K
K
I
I
And
again
I
didn't
get
to
go
through
the
full
document,
so
I
guess
that's
my
only
concern
I
don't
want
to.
If,
if
you
know
there
were
so
many
things
that
we
each
found,
you
know
we
want
to
get
this
passed,
but
it's
like
it's
very
difficult
for
me
to
say
that's
passive.
A
H
One
with
the
the
two
story
and
three
story-
and
I
understand
it
a
little
bit
more.
G
M
G
H
A
lot
of
changes
from
abbreviating
square
foot
to
spelling
it
out,
but
then
I
saw
a
brief
percentages
were
spelt
out
like
a
hundred
percent
and
then
they
changed
it
to
the
percent
sign.
So
it
just
didn't
make
sense
to
me.
You
know
those
type
of
changes,
because
when
I
looked
everything
up
either
either
instant
was
okay.
H
So
I
don't
know
if
this
consulting
company
just
wanted
to
look
busy
and
said
hey,
you
know
we
made
some
these
this
many
changes
again
I
don't
know,
but
I
did
look
and
I
you
know
I
googled
it.
I
went
to
several
dictionaries
just
to
see,
and
you
know
that's
what
I
saw
so,
but.
I
H
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
like
alfredo
and
I
only
got
my
copy.
I
richard
picked
it
up
for
me.
I
had
I
was
at
six
saturday
I
was
in
bed.
I
would
gout
not
not
corona
virus,
but
I
didn't
get.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
shall
we
talk
about
what
sections
still
need
to
be
reviewed?
A
It
sounds
like
there's
a
couple
sections
that
that
people
have
gone
through
judy.
You
were
saying
that
which
article
now
development
standards
was
that
it
article
4
needs
to
be
going
through.
K
It
wait
till
you
get
to
number
five,
but
I
just
wanted
the
way
that
I
went
through
it
to
find
the
more
substantive
changes
was
using
the
redline
version
and
I
paid
particular
note
to
the
larger
passages
that
were
changed.
You
know
I
sort
of
figured
that
the
numbers
weren't
where
weren't
going
to
be
substantial
content,
but
you
know
as
we're
noting
that
the
different
versions
of
the
documents
other
people
may
have
approached
it
differently.
So
just
for
the
record,
that's
how
I
looked
at
it.
A
So
article
for
any
other
sections,
because
we
had
talked
about
maybe
splitting
these
sections
up
a
little
bit.
E
A
A
All
right,
do
you
judy?
Do
you
want
to
continue,
then
and
finish
up
the
definitions,
and
then
you
have
30
pages
more
in
chapter
five:
do
you
shall
we
split
some
of
that
up.
A
E
E
So
brad,
when
you
said
chapter
five,
I
gotta
I
gotta
say
I
you
know
I've
always
had
a
problem
with
it,
but
you're
to
some
extent
you're
not
really
talking
about
the
changes
you're
talking
about
some
of
the
stuff.
That
was
that
continues
to
be
not
as
clear
as
it
could
be.
Is
that
what
you're
referring
to.
K
Yeah,
I
think
some
of
the
wording
in
that
section
is,
you
know
less
than
ideal,
there's
a
number
of
things
where
I
think
we
could
clean
it
up.
You
know
eliminate
some
redundancies,
but
there
probably
are
a
handful
of
you
know.
There
could
be
a
handful
of
errors
in
there,
similar
to
what
we've
discussed
as
well.
So.
E
Yeah
four
years
ago,
I
lobbied
you
to
get
rid
of
at
the
beginning
of
every
one
of
these
all
applicable
provisions
of
375-504
general
procedures
apply
unless
specifically
modified
by
the
provisions
of
this
subsection.
I
mean
you
say
that
at
the
beginning,
and
so
that
sentence
really
could
come
out
whether
you
know
the
question
is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
to
do
that.
E
There
are
some
places
where
the
standards
require
semicolons,
like
you
list
like
five
standards,
and
then
it
should
have
an
and
at
the
end,
as
opposed
to
an
or
or
you
know,
or
nothing,
and
sometimes
you
wind
up
with
like
a
period
at
the
end
of
something,
as
opposed
to
a
semicolon.
E
E
K
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think,
certainly
instances
where
the
the
vendor
you
know
has
missed
something
or
failed
to
make
a
grammatical
or
copyedit
change.
Again,
that's
what
we
contracted
with
them
to
do
so.
I
have
no
hesitancy
about
going
back
to
them
and
demanding
that
they
do
that,
so
those
those
instances
would
be
helpful
again.
I
was
going
through
mainly
in
a
big
picture
where
the
the
conflicts
that
may
you
know,
someone
may
be
making
a
change
to
the
code
that
they
weren't
aware
of
with
the
setbacks
and
things
like
that.
E
A
Well,
let's
I
mean
we'll
plan
to
meet
again,
but
let's
if
we
can
split
some
of
this
up,
even
if
there's
you
know
a
couple,
people
look
at
the
same
section.
A
I
think
we
should
try
to
do
that
I'll.
Take
on
part
of
article
four
and
then
I
am.
I
did
ask
kelly.
If,
if
you
know
he
could
talk
to
staff
about
possibly
taking
part
of
it
and
is
there
another
volunteer
to
take
a
section,
I
could
do
six.
H
A
Well,
it's
a
four
is
we
have
to
split
it
up
time?
It's
a
substantial.
A
A
K
We
we
we
certainly
apologize
for
the
you
know
the
conflicts
and
you
know
appreciate
the
help
in
cleaning
the
document
up.
H
E
Be
we
are
human
and
there's
going
to
be
little
things
that
will
continue
to
bug
us,
and
you
know
the
thing
is
that
some
of
the
more
substantial
changes
we
can.
You
know
more
substantial
errors
or
confusion.
I
mean
there's
one
language,
there's
one
part
on
the
historic
hrc
review
where
that
drives
me
nuts.
The
way
that's
written.
G
E
A
Okay,
so
tom
you're
doing
chapter
you're
gonna
do
chapter
two
and
alfredo
you're
gonna
finish
up
chapter
three.
I'm
gonna
do
a
section
of
chapter
four
and
check
to
see
if
we
can
get
help
more
help
on
chapter
four
judy
you're
doing.
H
I
A
Well,
I
think
we
should
do
it
right.
I
think
we
should
try
to
set
up
another
meeting
as
soon
you
know
give
it
within
the
next
couple
weeks.
If
we
can
a
pretty
busy
schedule,
I
know
michelle.
Do
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
need
to
have
another
meeting
and
brad's
got
that
date
in
march?
A
A
E
Know
if
people
are
for
me,
it's
taken
me
about
an
hour
to
do
between
five
and
12
pages
depending
upon
you
know
whether
it's
a
lot
of
charts
and
diagrams
or
you
know
whatever.
So
if
people
are
doing
like
30
pages,
we're
talking
about
less
than
an
hour
a
day
between
now
and
then
and.
E
A
E
E
H
E
And
also
looking
online,
I
have
on
my
laptop
the
red
line
version
in
color
up
and
I'm
so
I'm
going
page
by
page
and
flipping
the
pages
to
see,
but
I'm
also
I'm
also
I'm
predominantly
focusing
on.
How
does
this
clean
copy
read?
Does
it
make
sense,
and
that
also
helps
you
find
things
like?
Oh,
they
changed
altar
to
after,
and
it
should
be
changed
back
to
altar.
A
F
F
K
I
I
I
I'm
looking
at
the
red
version
online
because
it's
in
color
and
you
can
it's
bats
it
out,
and
then
I'm
looking
at
the
one
that
has
the
corrections
on
on
here
as
well,
and
then
I'm
looking
at
the
main
one
I
stopped
looking
at.
I
I
stopped
looking
at
this
one
because
I
I
looked
to
me
like
this-
had
everything
that
was
on
this
in
just
a
few
pages
that
I
reviewed
so
which
one
is
that
this
is
what's
up.
This
is,
what's
being
called
the
clean
copy.
I
This
one
was
in
my
cabinet,
my.
E
Not
a
lot
really
really
very
little,
but
they
can
be
very
big
deal
kind
of
changes
that
are
not
shown
in
line
so
the
red
line.
You
can
use
the
red
line
to
clue
you
into
where
to
look
for
things
that
might
be
substantive
might
be
a
bigger
deal.
Why
are
we
changing
this?
That
kind
of
thing
it
can
help
you
you
know
with
the
proofing,
but
bottom
line
is
you
need
to
be
comparing,
first
and
foremost
the
clean
copy
to
your
printed
version?
E
F
E
I
Okay,
so
I'll
start
looking
at
this
one
and
I'll
I'll
change,
my
sticky
note.
E
I
A
Oh
dear
all,
right
anything
else
before
we
close
sounds
like
we've
got
plans
now
to
meet
again
on
the
26th,
we'll
make
the
decisions
about
the
planning
board
members
and
we'll
have
our
second
meeting
on
this
document.
Yep
documents.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
patience
tonight.
Thank.