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A
All
right
welcome
everyone.
This
is
the
February
sixth
meeting
of
the
common
council's
planning
economic
development,
land
use
committee
council
members
present:
the
committee
members
present
Alfredo
Valerie
Judy
Joe,
Shea,
Ginny,
Farrell,
myself,
Cathy
baby
other
council,
members
of
Lutheran
nany
staff,
chairs,
Kellerman
and
Greg
glasses
here
from
the
planning
department,
and
the
first
topic
of
discussion
will
be
ordinance
for
1219.
A
A
B
B
Apologize
I
wish
there
was
a
satellite
photography,
so
you
could
see
the
existing
conditions
a
little
bit
better,
but
there
are
two
partials
you
may
be
familiar
with
them.
One
is
currently
occupied
by
the
Vista,
both
effectively
occupied
by
the
radix
ecological
sustainability.
Center.
It's
got
from
radix
is
here
along
with
finance.
Qpx
they're
gonna
explain
a
little
bit
about
what
they're
proposing
to
do
here
and
what
they
already
do
here,
but
they
obtained
a
grant
from
the
New
York
State.
B
Department
Environmental
Conservation
to
expand
their
existing
facilities
there
and
the
zoning
that's
currently
in
place
is
it's
more
about
filling
in
the
existing
broken
fabric
of
the
South
End,
where
some
of
the
urban
renewal
was
historically
developed,
there
kind
of
stitching
back
neighborhoods
and
it
really
speaks
to
buildings
that
are
built
up
to
the
street
walkable
neighborhoods
things
of
that
variety,
but
well
that
works
for
for
most
of
the
development
here.
This
particular
project
is
really
sort
of
a
different
animal
and
you
know
they
deal
a
lot
with.
B
You
know
the
Sun
and
solar
and
just
electricity
from
solar
and
their
buildings
need
to
be
oriented
in
a
certain
way
to
be
conducive
to
that.
It's
really
sort
of
an
urban
farm
in
some
respects,
but
the
appropriate
category
for
something
like
that
is
land
conservation
and
I.
Think
to
be
honest
with
you,
we
weren't
necessary
we're
of
the
expansion
when
we
zoned
it
and
I
think
we
just
kind
of
honestly
kind
of
missed
it
there,
their
original
use
was
was
covered
by
a
prior
approval
that
they
had
been
granted.
B
So
there
wasn't
any
anything
about
the
zoning
that
we
apply,
that
really
affected
that,
but
I'm
going
to
expand
it.
Just
the
existing
zoning
didn't
fit
so,
rather
than
going
the
route
of
issuing
use,
variance
or
area
variances
or
things
that
would
you
know
alter.
You
know
relieve
that
particular
development
from
the
existing
zoning
regulations.
C
All
right,
hello,
yeah!
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
having
me
in
tonight
my
name's
Scott
Halle
and
the
educational
director
at
the
radix
ecological
sustainability,
Center,
a
nonprofit
organization.
That's
been
operating
at
its
current
location
since
2009,
we
run
basically
a
demonstration
site
of
sustainable
tools
and
technologies
that
are
designed
to
teach
services,
with
the
special
focus
on
youth
and
local
South
and
neighborhood.
C
Having
this
classroom
is
going
to
allow
us
to
greatly
extend
the
range
and
type
of
programming
that
we're
currently
able
to
offer.
We
personally
have
a
20
foot
by
6.
Foot
serves
is
really
the
main
educational
feature
that
both
parcels
put
together
are
an
acre,
but
it
has
its
limitations.
It's
commonly
hot
Sun
is
out
frequently
moist
and
dirty
so
not
always
yeah
and
no
indoor
plumbing.
So.
D
C
Which
can
make
it
not
the
most
conducive
space
towards
focused,
in-depth
learning,
which
complements
the
the
hands-on
work
that
we
do
otherwise.
So
having
this
classroom
is
going
to
enormous
ly,
improve
the
options
for
that
and
have
it's
really
a
climate-controlled
and
dry
and
cool
space
that
we
can
work,
particularly
in
the
summer
months,
that
we'll
have,
as
you
mentioned,
indoor
plumbing
and
flush
toilets,
which.
C
F
C
Again,
like
Brad
mentioned
just
having
that
particular
solar
orientation
is
really
key
to
the
operations
of
the
facility,
just
not
only
the
greens
house
itself,
but
then
the
placement
of
just
about
everything
else
on
the
property
needs
to
be
placed
in
such
a
way.
So
as
to
maximize
its
that
sunlight
exposure,
is
you
know,
apart
from
gaining
access
to
land?
C
Sunlight
is
one
of
the
biggest
limiting
factors
to
food
production
in
urban
environments.
So
it's
particularly
critical
that
we
locate
the
classroom
within
the
shadow
of
the
existing
greenhouse,
so
is
not
to
deprive
potential
gardening
space
of
sunlight
and
also
just
key
for
its
orientation
and
its
proximity
to
the
greenhouses
to
facilitate
learning
between
those
two
spaces
and.
F
C
F
C
G
B
B
B
F
Know
there'll
be
like
a
shed,
but
with
some
of
the
solar
panels
Judy,
we
don't
want
to
put
them
on
top
of
a
building.
So
our
plan
was
to
build
like
a
lean-to
and
then
the
panels
will
be
put
on
those,
so
the
lean-to
could
serve
as
part
of
the
parking
in
an
electric
vehicle,
bicycle
charging
station
and
vehicle
charging
station,
or
if
you
want
to
put
your
tractor
under
there
or
whatever
you
want
to
do,
but
as
much
permeable
space
and
land
as
we
can
and
make
a
very
green
space.
F
So
we're
a
little
worried
that
the
Sun
alone
might
not
heat
it
enough.
So
we
have
a
development
team
we've
put
together
of
environmental
engineers
and
solar
specialists
and
heat
radiant
heating
people
and
we're
gonna,
just
gonna
get
it
built,
so
I
were
released,
I'm
very
excited
about
it
compared
to
some
other
projects,
it's
kind
of
small,
but
it's
my
favorite
and
Nancy.
F
Been
in
Albany
for
a
long
time
started
in
the
South
Bend
there
was
a
director
south
and
improvement
in
1980
before
you
were
probably
born.
So
it's
good
to
be
back
in
the
south
end
again
and
I
was
a
Planning
Director
for
the
city's
Community
Development
Agency
for
a
while
left
there
in
91
and
formed
my
own
construction
management
company,
because
what
I
like
to
do
is
build
homeless,
shelters,
I'm
good
at
that,
and
the
administration
at
that
time
was
directing
me
towards
economic
development.
F
So
I
thought
I,
think
I'll
leave
and
do
stuff
up
by
myself,
so
I've
been
building
homeless,
shelters
in
the
Capital
Region
and
writing
grants
with
groups
like
radix
I,
usually
hook
up
with
the
group's
long
before
they
have
a
project
in
mind
and
we
help
find
a
site
and
develop
it.
And
so
that's
what
I've
been
doing
for
over
thirty
years
in
the
private
sector
other
than
a
restaurant
I
already
met
you
so
I'll,
be
the
construction
manager
on
the
site.
C
So
they're
in
different
ownership
structures,
1:53
is
owned
by
my
wife
and
I
151
is
owned
by
the
Radek
center,
so
that
was
because
originally
we
they
were
well.
The
so
are
two
separate
Lots.
We
purchased
one
53
at
just
and
my
wife
and
I
privately
and
then
151
was
donated
to
the
radix
entered
by
Albany
County
sold
to
us
$4
a
couple
years
after
that
so
they're
still
legally
separate
parcels
that
we
operate
on.
F
Station,
okay,
oh
yeah,
well,
they've
done
environmental
and
we're
doing
additional
environmental.
So
it's
good
I
mean
we're
really
cleaning
up
and
you've
cleaned
up
a
lot.
There
removes
a
lot
of
asphalt
and
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
run
into
contamination.
You're
your
phase,
one
came
out
pretty
clean
for
what
you
did.
Yeah.
F
It's
a
light
use
we're
not
gonna,
be
digging
very
deep
in
the
ground
either
it'll
be
slab
so
about
six
foot
down
with
the
footings
as
most
I'm
going
to
do
so.
I,
don't
you
know,
I
think
what,
with
this
grant
and
hey
what
I'm
hoping
to
do
together
will
leverage
other
funds
and
work
on
something
where
ownership
will
probably
revert
back
to
radix
on
both
parcels,
and
that
would
be
the
better
way
to
I
think
we
all
agree
to
handle
it.
But
for
now
it's
separately
deeded.
E
A
C
H
C
E
G
H
H
A
A
H
B
That
the
blue
is
the
before
and
the
red
would
be
after
and
although
our
ordinance
is
written
to
cover
any
changes
in
the
flood
maps
as
they
occur
that
specifically
references
the
flood
maps
that
apply
to
the
city
of
Albany,
the
Department
of
I
believe
New
York
State
Dec
again,
they
wanted
us
to
specifically
reference
the
letter
of
map
revision
that
they
issued
in
in
the
codes
is
when
it's
essentially
adds
reference
to
that
letter
of
map
revision.
Floodplain
overlay,
section
of
our
code.
B
Now
so
there
is
a
the
the
patron
Creek
at
North.
Pearl
Street
goes
into
a
culvert
and
if,
for
some
reason,
I
believe
the
Hudson
River
were
to
back
up
and
the
Petrine
Creek
were
to
back
up,
it
would
actually
jump
that
culvert
and
water
would
flood
out
into
the
area
above
ground,
where
the
where
the
patroon
Creek
would
ordinarily
be
flowing
underground.
It.
A
D
B
D
D
A
B
The
only
the
only
funding
would
have
been
you
know,
the
use
of
Schnabel
engineering
to
you
know
do
whatever
studies
were
required
to
convince
FEMA
that
you
know
I
think
FEMA
draws
the
lines
generically
they
don't
necessarily
do
a
detailed
study
so
for
this
particular
area.
Since
we
we
felt
that
they
were
incorrect.
B
D
B
D
B
B
C
E
G
H
H
H
B
And
also
with
respect
to
improvements
to
structures
which
you
know,
depending
on
how
how
much
improvement
you're
putting
into
the
structure,
you
have
to
meet
a
different
level
of
flood
proofing
depending
on
what
your
zone
you're
in
and
that
can
either
make
certain
portions
of
the
building
unusable.
Or
you
know
you
have
to
flood
for
them,
which
could
be
costlier
more
difficult,
and
here
I,
don't
really
see
too
many
residences
affected.
But
there
are
a
number
of
small
businesses
that
operate
in
this
area.
That.