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From YouTube: Public Safety Committee Meeting; March 2, 2021
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The Albany Common Council's Public Safety Committee met to discuss the policing reform plan. To read the plan and learn more about the collaborative please visit: https://www.albanyny.gov/641/Police-Reform-Reinvention-Collaborative
A
We,
along
with
the
council
member,
jose
doche,
there's
miss
frederick
council
member
doshay.
We
have
our
clerk
danielle
gillespie
and
our
research
council,
john
rafael
picardo,
so
I
mean
we'll
just
get
right
into
it.
The
idea
is
for
us
to
have
a
discussion
and
conversation
around
that
last
iteration
of
of
the
the
plan
or
or
the
the
reports
that
we
got
from
from
the
administration
regarding
the
police
reforms.
A
They
added
some
things
kind
of
set
some
some
timelines
and
goals
and
whatnot,
and
so
this
is
a
conversation
that
we're
you
know
where
we're
discussing
that
we've
also
been
joined
by
council
member
pharaoh,
conti,
councilwoman,
farrell
and
conte,
so
yeah
we're.
This
is
where
we're
discussing
the
changes
made
to
the
plan
and
the
idea
is
to
just
get
some
input
from
some
of
the
committee
members,
then
council,
members
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
public
comment
once
we
get
into
public.
A
We
got
a
three
minute
time
limit
on
on
speaking,
and
so
with
that
I
would
just
like
to
you
know
kind
of
get
an
impression
from
the
committee
members
on
the
changes
that
were
made.
They
set
some
goals
and
and
and
kind
of
in
timelines
and
reporting,
and
I
just
want
to
see
what
the
members
have
to
think
about
at
first
then,
the
council
and
then
public.
So
committee
members.
B
Kelly,
I
I
got
a
question
I
read
through.
It
was
like.
I
was
over
90
pages.
One
of
the
things
I
kept
coming
up
was.
This
has
been
redirected,
redirected.
I
don't
even
pronounce
that
right
and
there
was
stuff
like
left
blank.
Is
that
going
to
be
filled
in
later?
And
that's
because
this
is
the
final
draft.
I
was
kind
of
confused
about
that
and.
A
So,
which,
which
version
are
you
working
off
of
the
one
that
got
sent
out
with
the
meeting
notice?
It's
dated
february
12.?
It
says,
city
of
albany,
policing,
reform
and
reinvention
collaborative
amendment
final
draft
report
that
one
it's
got,
the
it's
actually
all
told
112
pages
or
so
yes,
that's
the
one
you
you
mentioned,
90
pages.
That's
why.
B
B
C
I
I've
got
to
be
honest.
I
have
not
gone
through
the
new
hundred
and
something
documents
I
I
did
go
through
the
94
page
document.
I
have
not
gone
through
the
new
document,
so
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
you
any
comments
on
any
differences
at
this
point
on
that,
but
I
I
I
can
I
can.
I
can
look
at
that
document
for
the
next
meeting.
A
A
You
what
you
actually
did,
the
the
what
we
got
in
in
the
updated
plan
is,
is
it's
like,
maybe
a
30-page
add-on
to
the
front
end
of
it.
So
the
bulk
of
it
is
the
report
that
you
already
read
but
the
front
the
beginning,
the
executive
summary
and
the
other
pages,
and
it's
probably
the
first
24
pages
kind
of
laid
out
the
plan,
and
she
how
you
know
some
reporting
requirements
and
goals
and
stuff
like
that,
so
you
got
the
gist
of
it.
It's
just.
A
F
So
two
questions.
I
guess
one
is:
what
are
our
next
steps
in
terms
of?
Do
we
take
what
the
the
now
the
plan
right
with
the
with
the
months
one
year,
two
years
three
years
or
do
we
take
that
and
do
we
adopt
that
or
are
we
as
a
whole
or
are
we
as
the
council
deciding
like
which
pieces
we
want
to
move
forward?
A
Right
and
I'll
let
mr
pachada
speak
more
to
it,
but
the
idea
is
for
the
resolution
to
adopt
it.
All
I
mean
there
are
many
pieces
to
it.
So
if
we
broke
it
all
out
and
tried
to
create
legislation
for
each
component
and
it'd
be
maddening,
so
the
idea
is
to
take
it
as
a
whole
and
go
from
there.
But,
mr
prichardo,
you
want
to
okay,
yeah.
D
So
brief,
so
really
what
the
governor's
executive
order
says
is
that
the
mayor
starts
it
and
then
you
know
we,
as
the
legislative
body
receive
the
report,
and
we
received
public
comment
on
from
the
public.
Regarding
the
report,
then
we
have
to
adopt
the
plan
or
a
plan.
What
I
was
speaking
with
president
pro
tem
kimbrough
about
this
is
you
know
the
resolution
that
I've
drafted
is
really
just
merely
a
placeholder.
For
now
what
I
was
doing,
I
went
through
the
document
and
what
I
was
thinking.
D
What
we
could
do
as
a
council
is
provide,
there's
things
that
we've
done
as
a
council
outside
what
the
administration
has
done.
So
I
think
this
this
resolution
gives
us
that
opportunity
to
put
in
what
we
as
a
council,
have
done
in
addition
to
what
the
administration
has
done,
and
so
I
kind
of
took
it
as
what
we
do
with
the
budget
with
our
budget
intent
memo.
A
F
A
Right
so
the
goal
was
to
just
have
a
j.
If
members
had,
if
we'd
gotten
through
this
and
had
a
general
idea,
what
was
there
and
had
comment
on
it
was
if
the
idea
was
for
in
this
meeting
for
council
members
to
kind
of
give
their
offer
their
thoughts
and
comments
and,
and
then
really
this,
the
most
important
part
of
this
is
to
me
at
least,
is
the
public
input
and
what
they.
F
A
G
Thank
you,
so
I've
gone
through
it
and
I
still
don't
you
know,
there's
a
lot
here.
Some
of
it
is
very
detailed
getting
into
actual
you
know
general
orders
and
operating
procedures,
and
you
know
almost
micromanaging
some
of
those
provisions.
In
a
sense,
some
of
it's
in
that
there's
a
lot
of
specificity
there,
which
we
don't
necessarily
have
all
the
background
on.
G
There's
a
lot
more
general,
and
it's
really,
you
know,
throwing
all
the
recommendations
from
the
individual
work
groups
together
at
the
beginning
and
just
listing
them
with
some
time
frames.
What
I
I
guess
I
still
not
seeing
is
you
know
it
tied
together
as
a
a
plan
as
opposed
to
work.
You
know
reports
from
individual
work
groups
with
recommendations
which
are
in
different
formats
that
are
then
presented
to
us
and,
as
I
say,
there's
some
of
them
are
very
detailed.
G
So
we're
not
going
to
go
and
amend
the
plan
in
any
way.
I
assume
what
we'll
end
up
doing
is
a
resolution
which
you
know,
reviews
the
process
etc
and
probably
and
will
adopt
the
plan
to
be
implemented.
However,
it's
going
to
be
implemented
because
there's
no
real
guidance
in
here
as
to
how
it's
going
to
be
implemented,
and
you
know
what
further
action
we
might
need
to
take
separate
from
this.
G
As
far
as
there
are
some
that
are
do
lend
themselves
to
council
legislative
action,
and
some
of
them
are
administrative,
but
you
know
it's
that
that's
part
of
the
frustration,
it's
a
big
document
without
a
lot
of
time
to
really
dig
deep
into
it.
That
is
a
bunch
of
recommendations,
but
not
a
narrative
plan
in
terms
of
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
G
G
A
A
A
Yeah
so
we'll
we'll
adjust
that
in
it
and
based
on
some
of
the
stuff,
that's
there
while
we'll
make
we'll
make
some
suggestions
for
adjustments,
but
without
I
mean
it
to
sit
here
and
go
through
and
change
the
whole
plan
would
be.
You
know
we
just
there's
just
not
enough
time
to
do
that,
but
certainly
we
can
we
can.
We
can
nail
down
some
some
some
more
details
and
and
get
some
feedback
from
from
the
administration
on
how
how
we
move
forward
with
this
stuff
judy
europe.
H
H
A
couple
things
that
I
I
am
concerned
about
is
that,
according
to
these
timelines,
the
shortest
timeline
is
12
to
18
months,
and
it
seems
to
me
as
though
it
should
be
0
to
12
months
as
a
goal.
You
know
within
the
next
12
months,
as
you
know,
one
goal
and
and
then
look
beyond
that,
but
some
of
this
should
be
attainable
within
the
next
12
months,
not
looking
at
potential
implementation
12
months
from
now.
Essentially,
nothing
is
scheduled
to
occur
within
the
first
12
months
as
a
goal
in
in
this
timeline.
H
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
it
can't
be
accomplished
or
wouldn't
be
accomplished
in
that
time
frame,
but
in
in
terms
of
clarity
of
expectations,
I
would
hope
that
some
of
this
would
be
able
to
be
gotten
done
within
the
next
12
months,
as
opposed
to
putting
the
timeline
of
12
to
18
months
from
now.
You
know
it
seems
to
me
to
give
too
much
latitude
and
I
want
to
say
not
enough
gravitas
to
what
would
you
dealing
with
here
really.
H
I
noticed
that
in
the
summary
I
I
also
have
not
read
the
entire
first,
it's
it
looks
like
it's
20
pages
in
the
beginning.
I
have
not
read
through
every
piece
of
it,
but
there
are
some
things
that
I
have
looked
for.
One
of
the
things
it
says
in
the
intro
is
we've
kept
everything
all
the
recommendations
in
we're.
H
So
I
think,
in
order
to
be
respectful
of
it,
then
the
first
20
pages
should
be
including
a
timeline
for
everything
or
tell
us
why
you're,
not
including
it
in
the
timeline,
let's
be
respectful
of
that
process,
so
for
police
department
functions,
starting
on
page
13,
just
covering
pages
13
and
14
they've
omitted
the
entire
section
or
any
heading
relating
to
interactions
with
the
community,
and
that
does
talk
about
something.
I
think
that
is
critical
here.
H
H
And
as
an
overall
concept,
if
we're
really
talking
about
police
reform,
taking
an
attitude
having
a
predisposition
towards
the
idea,
is
you
always
want
to
go
for
a
de-escalation
of
a
situation
is
is
something
that
I
would
like
to
see
in
the
forefront.
Instead,
it
has
been
deleted
from
this
summary
that
particular
section
also
dealt
with
the
general
recommendation
for
the
elimination
of
the
use
of
tear
gas,
and
so
the
I
assume
this.
The
first
20
pages
is
something
solely
done
by
the
administration.
H
When
you
drop
out
of
recommendation
by
the
when
the
administration
is
dropping
out
of
recommendation,
then
I
think
that
they
need
to
provide
a
clear
explanation
for
that.
I
am
appreciative
of
we
are
talking
about
putting
my
local
law
see
on
the
agenda
for
the
public
safety
group.
Presumably
well,
I
guess
it's
not
going
to
be
before
this
is
adopted,
because
the
adoption
needs
to
happen
before
the
end
of
march.
H
H
So
and
and
frankly,
I
think
that
if
there
are
things
that
are
being
dropped
out,
that
that's
the
more
appropriate
course
of
action
is
for
it
to
be
included
in
this
with
a
notation
that
the
administration
is
recommending
that
this
not
be
included
in
the
timeline
and
that
the
council
should
specifically
consider
those
items
and
whether
or
not
further
action
is
required
and
give
us
some
sort
of
time
frame
of
maybe
six
months
to
review.
Those
as
part
of
a
plan
would
be
one
option
in
this.
A
Thank
you
judy.
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
we
are
going
to
be
working
on
local
lost
c,
that
meeting's
on
the
24th,
so
it's
after
this
could
would
conceivably
pass.
We
don't
necessarily
need
to
hold.
I
mean
it's
a
part
of
these
reforms,
but
I
don't
believe
that
we
need
to
hold
up
the
process
to
include
that
in
it.
H
I,
if
I
can,
but
all
I'm
suggesting,
is
that
it
shouldn't
be
dropped.
Out
of
the
summary
you
know,
especially
since
part
of
what
got
dropped
out
is
de-escalation
as
a
presumption,
and
for
for
it
to
be
noted
that
the
administration
is
not
recommending
that
we
proceed
with
those,
but
the
common
council
may
take
that
up
separately.
Then
it
should,
you
know,
would
be
an
option
there,
but
I
don't
think
you
should
just
just
I
don't
think
anything
with
it.
H
B
They
make
a
statement.
However,
the
sections
of
the
policies
lack
the
following
and
the
one
that
really
stuck
out
was.
There
was
a
lot
of
sections
adapted
which
didn't
allow
for
the
full
interpretation
of
some
of
the
policies
and
what
I
don't
understand
are
we
going
to
look
at?
Are
we
going
to
get
that
stuff,
that's
redacted,
or
is
it
like
secret
somewhere?
It
kind
of
made
me
think
about
stuff
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
bring
up
when
I
first
started
walking.
Thank
you.
A
Right
and
some
of
that
stuff
has
to
do
with
investigative
and
police
methods
and
and
whatnot
that
they
wouldn't
want
to
necessarily
get
out
it's
it's
funny,
you're
mentioning
that
me
and
mr
pachardo
was
speaking
about
that
this
very
issue
earlier
this
afternoon
getting
getting
ready
for
this
this
meeting.
It
is
it
it
is
a
problem,
and-
and
maybe
we
could
ask
that
a
a
group
of
us-
maybe
the
committee
actually
get
to
view
those
again
within
this
within
the
realm
of
page
seven,
it's
it's!
A
B
On
the
third
one
about
how
to
de-escalate-
and
I
think
that's
what
I
think
as
a
city-
that's
what
most
people
want,
we
don't
want
to
have
these
confrontations,
we
want
to
be
able
to
de-escalate.
You
know
this
violence
and,
and
it
is
violence
against
our
own
citizens.
I
feel,
but
you
know
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
B
I
However,
even
with
that
my
I
guess
my
concern
and
I
think
I'll
be
echoing
what
some
other
people
said.
I
don't
feel
like
there's
a
real
accountability
structure
for
it,
so
there
are
action
items,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
kind
of
nebulous
on
who
does
the
action
or
exactly
what
you're
doing
the
action
for
sometimes
there's
contradictions.
I
So
in
order
for
there
to
be
some
sort
of
accountability
structure,
it's
you
can't
have
contradictions
like
that.
How
do
you
make
sure
it
talks
about
apd
will
provide
updates?
Is
it
actually
appropriate
for
apd
to
be
the
one
providing
the
updates
you
know?
Are
they
going
to
be
keeping
themselves
accountability
accountable
through
this
process
in
the
way
that
we
want
them
to?
I
fully
believe
that
they
would
do
their
best
to
do
that,
but
there
are
some
pieces
that
apd
can't
really
report
back
on
so
who's
going
to
be
doing
that
work.
I
I
So
I
I
guess
that's
my
to
me:
it's
lacking
an
accountability
structure,
which
is
what
we
really
need
as
the
legislative
body
to
be
able
to
go
back
to
and
say
these
pieces
are
missing
or
we've
been
waiting
for.
This
report
different
layers
like
that,
and
it
should
be
consistent
too.
So
you
know
you
shouldn't,
have
a
bullet
point
saying
we're
going
to
definitely
do
this
and
then
you
know
action
item
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
more
so
it
felt
like
there
was
that's
my
concerns
with
it.
F
A
J
J
Actually
half
of
our
report
is
missing
for
procedures
and
general
orders
groups,
so
there
I
I'm
like
it
just
stops.
So
if
you
actually
look
at
what's
in
the
geo
section
of
that
19
pages,
and
then
you
look
geo
section
of
the
report,
it's
not
that
things
are
omitted,
it
actually
stops.
It
doesn't
go
to
the
rest
of
the
geo
report,
so
I
don't
know
to
do
to
counsel
women
duchette's
point
I
don't
know
if
things
were
omitted
because
it
doesn't
pick
back
up.
J
J
This
was
a.
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
jasmine
about
that
that,
hopefully
there
would
be
some
way-
and
maybe
that's
through
the
council,
or
maybe
that's
through
corporate
council-
that
somebody
would
look
at
that
at
what's
in
the
omission
and
ensure
that
what's
in
the
omission
is
written
in
a
way,
that's
unbiased.
J
J
J
So
there
those
redactions
did
cause
us
some
some
struggle
and
there's
definitely
got
to
be
some
kind
of
a
group
that
does
review
them
in
their
entirety,
to
just
to
ensure
that
that
language
is
a
is
appropriate
and
in
line
with
the
rest
of
the
recommendations
that
are
made
or
that
are
enacted,
and
I
think
that
my
group
can
go
back
and
at
least
point
out
what's
administrative,
I
think
there's
several
recommendations
that
were
made.
That
really
requires
just
require
language
changes
and
updates.
J
If
there
were
several
pieces
raised,
the
age
was
one
of
them.
The
domestic
violence
incidents
was
another
that
could
be
done
in-house
and
could
be
done
in
just
a
few
months,
because
they're
they're
literally
just
taking
the
language,
that's
in
the
legislature
already.
That
means
that's
required
to
be
used.
So
hopefully
I
don't.
A
A
E
E
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
for
the
center
for
law
and
justice
to
submit
public
comment
on
the
city's
proposed
policing
plan.
I
submit
these
comments
on
behalf
of
our
executive
director,
dr
alice
green,
who
regrets
that
she
is
unable
to
attend
tonight.
This
plan
is
extremely
disappointing
to
the
community.
While
the
collaborative
members
developed
a
comprehensive
body
of
recommendations
that
could
produce
truly
transformative
change,
the
city
has
failed
to
produce
a
coherent
plan.
Fortunately,
the
future
of
a
reinvented
public
safety
system
does
not
rest
solely
on
this
wholly
inadequate
plan.
E
Whether
the
plan
is
accepted
or
rejected.
There
are
other
avenues
available
to
the
common
council
to
reinvent
policing
in
albany.
The
center
will
soon
share
with
the
council
the
community's
vision
of
what
reinvented
policing
could
look
like
in
our
city,
because
black
lives
do
matter.
The
center
has
previously
pointed
out
that
the
plan
is
riddled
with
equivocal
language
and
escape
clauses
that
commit
the
city
to
virtually.
Nothing
today
we
focus
on
process
as
disappointed
as
the
albany
community
is
with
this
woefully
inadequate
plan.
We
are
also
realistic.
E
We
understand
the
common
council
is
faced
with
a
difficult
choice.
If
you
vote
to
accept
this
plan
in
its
current
state,
you
lend
it
legitimacy
if
you
vote
to
reject
it.
According
to
the
governor's
orders,
the
city
stands
to
lose
state
funding.
If
the
council
rejects
the
plan,
the
city
will
have
but
two
weeks
to
produce
the
major
overhaul
needed.
Let's
face
reality
here,
the
city
has
had
the
collaborative's
recommendations
in
hand
since
mid-january.
E
If
they
haven't
produced
the
proper
plan
in
two
months,
it
is
unlikely
they
will
be
able
to
do
so
in
two
weeks.
The
sad
truth
is
that,
while
the
city
may
face
financial
penalty,
if
it
does
not
ratify
a
plan
by
april
1st,
there
are
no
consequences
if
it
submits
a
plan
promising
little
change.
State
representatives
have
explicitly
stated
that
the
state
does
not
intend
to
assess
if
a
plan
is
in
accord
with
the
reinvention
language
of
the
executive
order
203.
E
Instead,
all
that
a
locality
needs
to
do
is
submit
a
plan,
no
matter
how
substandard,
along
with
a
certification
form,
the
mayor
can
simply
check
the
boxes,
signifying
that
a
policing
review
was
accomplished,
some
community
stakeholders
were
included
and
that
a
plan
was
developed
offered
for
public
comment
and
ratified
by
the
common
council.
The
form
does
not
require
that
the
plan
reinvent
policing
the
center
appreciates
the
hobson's
choice
faced
by
the
council,
some
council
members
already
have
signaled
that
they
think
the
plan
in
its
current
form
is
adequate
from
the
community's
perspective.
E
It
most
certainly
is
not.
If
the
council
ratifies
this
plan,
the
center
asks
that
you
simultaneously
pass
a
resolution
stating
that
this
plan
does
not
reinvent
policing
in
albany
and
that
the
council
remains
committed
to
implementing
the
public
safety
changes
so
desperately
needed
by
our
city's
communities
of
color.
The
center
looks
forward
to
working
with
the
council
to
affect
truly
transformative
change
in
albany
policing.
A
A
G
H
F
B
F
C
I
think
in
the
future,
it's
good
to
have
someone
monitor
that
because
I
think
sometimes
there's
information
where
people
are
trying
to
get
to
us.
Sometimes
it's
it's.
It's
just
hey.
How
are
you
but
there's
sometimes
this
information
that
people
are
trying
to
get
to
us.
You
know,
and
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
something
we
can
see
because
we're
not
you
know
we're
not
on
facebook
we're
on
zoom
and
the
only
thing
we
have
access
to
is
the
zoom
chat
at
this
time.
G
A
G
A
C
A
Okay,
wants
to
okay,
all
right
yeah,
so
yeah,
carol
june.
Washington
says
richard
is
correct.
One
needs
to
know
what
the
council
wants
to
act
on
and
what
the
accountability
will
be,
and
I
mean
the
the
most
important
piece
of
this
is
okay.
I
mean
again
we're
talking
about
transparency
and
accountability.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
you
know,
I
guess
and
kelly
you,
you
understand
it
probably
a
lot
more
because
you
were
a
policeman,
but
I
am
really
concerned
about.
Like
I
was
reading,
you
know
further
on
about
use
of
deadly
force
in
the
instances
like
resisting
arrest,
I
mean
and
again
I'm
I'm
not
a
policeman.
So
I
don't
understand,
but
I
just
can't
understand
killing
somebody
if
they're
resisting
arrest
and
now
does
that
mean
they're
carrying
a
gun
and
resisting
arrest
or
is
it
you
know,
traffic
stop
and
somebody
doesn't
want
to.
You
know,
put.
E
B
Handcuffs
put
on
you
know:
how
far
do
we
go
and
and
I'm
kind
of
concerned,
I
would
like
to
know
what
are
the
circumstances
where
deadly
force
could
be
used
and
I
think,
as
a
lawmaker
that
we
deserve
to
know
you
know
what
can
happen,
and
you
know
what
the
results
are
if
we
allow
certain
stuff
to
happen.
So
you
know,
and.
A
That's
why
I'm
looking
to
you
right
and
the
thing
is,
though
the
circumstance
is
very
again:
it's
usually
not
the
resisting.
I
mean,
there's
it,
it's
call
resisting
arrest,
but
there's
some
other
stuff
going
on
in
there.
That
leads
to
to
the
some
of
it's
justified.
Some
of
it's
not,
and
it's
case
by
case
it
depends
on
the
circumstances.
A
What's
been,
you
know
an
issue
with
in
policing.
Is
that
again
it's
it's
every
every
officer's
different.
They
go.
They
talk
about
frame
of
mind
and
and
and
reasonable
person
what
they
would
do
or
not
or
excuse
me,
you
know
what
another
reasonable
officer
in
that
instance
would
do,
and
so
those
are
the
standards
it's
kind
of
and
again
each
person
is
different.
So
it's
subjective,
I
mean
the
responses
to
to
violence
or,
or
these
issues
are
different.
Some
officers
are
more
confident
and
you
actually
mentioned
the
the
the
conflict
resolution.
A
It's
important.
There
was
a
course
in
my
time
with
the
police
department.
It
was
a
verbal
judo
course,
where
you
I
mean.
Sometimes
you
have
to
fight,
but
more
times
than
not
you
talking
just
talking
and
relating
and
communicating
with
a
person
can
avoid
those
those
those
crappy
and
bad
interactions,
and
unfortunately,
for
some
of
these
young
men-
and
I
I
say
this
all
the
time
at
my
experience-
I'm
african-american
my
experience
with
the
police.
A
I
mean
I
had
some
pretty
bad
experiences
with
the
police,
but
my
everyday
experience
with
the
police
isn't
the
same.
I
mean
some
of
the
folks
that
that,
in
some
of
our
other
communities
that
that
have
these
interactions
they're
on
a
daily-
it's
it's
just
not
it's
negative
from
from
the
beginning,
and
I
I
always
and
I
think,
of
the
eric
garner
video
where
he
was
going
on
about.
Why
are
you
always
messing
with
me?
A
Why
are
you
effing
with
me
that
that
spoke
to
his
experience
that
talk
that
spoke
to
his
lived
experience,
that
that
was
probably
I
mean
he
just
wasn't
doing
that
for
the
camera.
His
every
day
was
probably
that
he
was
getting
stopped
and,
and
we
do
things
to
put
ourselves
in
different
situations
that
can
lend
themselves
to
being
stopped,
but
but
certainly
nobody
deserves
to
be.
A
You
know
again,
I
could
see
and
hear
frustration
in
his
voice
leading
up
to
you
know
his
death
and
again
we
we
we
really-
and
this
is-
and
I
fall
on
both
sides
of
this
issue.
I
I
I
can
understand
in
some
instances
there
are
instances
where
I
have
conversations
with
folks
about
an
incident
that
occurred
and
some
people
think
that
the
officer
shouldn't
have
used
force
or
this
that
and
the
other
in
there
and
and
as
a
person
of
color.
A
I'm
thinking
I
would
have
maybe
fired
my
weapon
or
I
would
have
did
exactly
what
the
officer
did.
It's
it's
different.
So
it's
it's
again
the
use
of
force.
I
mean
their
laws
on
it
again,
but
the
response
is,
it's
all
subjective,
we're
all
different
folks,
like
obviously
a
five
foot,
you
know,
90,
pound,
woman
or
officer
would
be
justified
in
in
discharging
her
weapon.
Where
me
at
my
size,
you
know
people
expect
you
to
fight
and
interact
with
people.
It's
different.
It's
just
there's
no
easy
answer.
It's
just
it's!
A
A
If
you
think
about
it,
we
have-
and
that's
not
I'm
not
here-
to
make
excuses
just
for
for
officers
or
whatever,
but
when
you
think
about
some
of
these
instances,
given
the
amount
of
information
and
in
the
situation
he
you
know
again,
but
we
really
need
to
think
think
think
through
stuff
before
putting
hands
on
people,
I
mean
there's
it
just.
There
are
very
few
things.
A
G
A
This
stuff-
I
I
I
lay
awake
at
night,
thinking
about
this
and
worrying
about
it
being
on
both
sides
of
this
again.
I
can
understand
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
I
can
understand
the
community's
response
to
it
and
I
can
understand
the
police
side
of
this,
and
it
I
mean
it
just
it
varies,
and
each
situation
is
different.
So
thank
you,
mr
o'shea.
H
So
first
I
want
to
say:
I've
never
been
a
police
officer
and
I'm
glad
I
haven't
been
in
the
kinds
of
situations
that
they
have
been
in
with
my
husband.
Having
been
a
city
court
judge,
police
officers
would
come
late
at
night
and
get
you
know,
search
warrants,
signed
and
and
or
you
know,
the
middle
of
the
night,
and
you
know
his
wishes,
for
them
was
always,
you
know,
stay
safe,
and
you
know
we
can't.
H
You
know
their
loved
ones
and
other
people
in
the
community,
but
mr
kimbrough,
as
you
were
talking,
I
was
recalling
something
that
I've
heard
chief
hawkins
say
frequently,
and
that
is
part
of
the
problem
with
the
amount
of
gun
violence
that
we
have
in
the
city.
Violence,
violent
crime
that
we
have
in
the
city
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people,
especially
younger
people,
who
just
don't
have
the
skill
sets
to
figure
out
how
to
talk
things
out,
how
to
work
on
de-escalating
a
situation
and
having
a
conversation
about
stuff
that
bothers
them.
H
H
H
So
but
it's
just
you
know,
I
was
really
struck
by
how
police
chief
talks
about
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
for
so
much
of
our
community
at
large,
and
I
think
you
know
just
something
for
us
to.
I
think,
continue
to
focus
on
if
we
are
concerned
about
both
our
police
officers
and
people
in
our
community,
especially
our
youth
having
those
skill
sets,
then
maybe
that
is
something
that
should
be.
A
A
Hopefully
we
can
get
those
changes
and
it's
look
a
little
different
and
we'll
discuss
that
on
the
eighth
and
then
and
move
forward
it'll
be
similar
to
this,
but
we'll
try
to
work
through
what
we're
you
know
our
expectations
and
and
what
we
want
this
to
look
like
and
hopefully,
it'll
be
closer
when
we
have
our
our
next
conversation.
So
mr
ballerin.
C
C
Don't
even
think
no
I
mean
kelly,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
think
I
don't.
I
think
this
is
gonna,
take
more
than
just
a
couple
means
flush
through
and-
and
I
think
it's
good
to
have
people
who
helped
like
it
come
back
and
and
bring
them
back
into
the
fault
because
they
put
a
lot
of
work
into
it,
and
you
know
there's
some
things
that
I
have
questions
on
on.
Why
they
want
to
go
in
that
direction.
C
I
want
to
hear
that
out
before
I'm
like.
Well,
I
really
don't
understand
that,
and
these
are
my
personal
experiences
with
some
of
these
issues.
So
you
know
I
want
to
get
dell
experiences
as
well,
so
that's
not
just
so
that's
not
taken
so
that
we
take
that
into
account
when
we're
looking
at
this.
So
I
guess
that's
what
my
any
point
is
and
I'm
not
so
worried
about
april
1st,
because
I
think
we
are
far
ahead
of
many
other
municipalities
on
on
what
was
asked
for
us
to
do
last
year.
C
So
I
I
guess
that's
why
I'm
not
as
concerned
on
april
1st,
I'm
more
concerned,
I'm
making
sure
that
we
go
through
this
and,
and
you
know,
make
sure
individuals
voices
are
heard
because
you
know
I've
like
I
said
I've.
Given
my
perspective,
you
have
your
perspective.
Everyone
has
their
perspectives,
but
I
want
to
perspective
to
those
who
helped
write
this
as
well,
so
that
that's
also
brought
to
the
forefront.
A
Thank
you,
mr
ballerin,
and
I
you
know
moving
forward.
Everyone
has
to
have
the
understanding
and
know
that
april.
You
know
meeting
the
april
1st
deadline.
Isn't
the
end
of
this.
This
is
an
ongoing
process.
The
work
needs
to
be
on
going.
I
mean
it's,
it's
just
even
you
know
passing
a
resolution
moving
ahead
with
the
work
I
mean
this
is
ongoing.
This
is
something
that
we're
going
to
constantly
need
to
work
on
our
police
department's
constantly
going
to
need
to
work
on
our
communities
constantly.
You
know
because
these
things
are
fluid.