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From YouTube: Monday, August 31, 2020 5:30PM Public Safety
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The Committee reviewed Ordinance 15.81.20. Ordinance 15.81.20 regulate the City of Albany on usage of facial recognition technology.
The Committee also discussed the City of Albany Violence Prevention Task Force.
B
Afternoon,
okay,
so
welcome
everyone
to
the
monday
august
31st
meeting
of
the
common
council
public
safety
committee.
I
am
the
chair,
kelly
kimbrough
for
the
record
member
committee.
Members,
hoey,
ballerin,
frederick
and
frederick-
are
here
also
present
our
councilmember
conkey,
jenny
farrow,
I'm
sorry
joe.
I
see
you
there
buddy
committee
member,
also
joe
igo,
I'm
sorry,
joe
okay,
jenny
farrow,
along
with
our
staff,
danielle
gillespie,
michelle,
andre
and
ricciardo,
along
with
council,
brett
williams
and
president
from
apd.
B
We
have
commanders
foley
and
deputy
chief
donahue.
Thank
you
all
for
for
being
here.
So
we
are
here
to
discuss
ordinance,
15
8120,
it's
an
ordinance
amending
part
two
of
the
code
of
city
albany
by
enacting
a
new
chapter,
325
titles
surveillance
technology
we'll
also
be
discussing
the
gun,
violence
prevention
task
force
after
afterwards.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
start
with
the
sponsor
miss
frederick?
You
want
to
speak
to
the
legislation.
C
Thank
you
kelly,
so
everyone,
this
is
in
regards
to
surveillance,
technology
and
facial
recognition,
technology
being
used
or
potential
to
use
in
the
city.
This
has
been
in
emerging
technology
we've
seen
across
the
nation
in
which
individuals
facial
features
are
used
and
ran
against
data
sets
to
determine
whether
or
not,
for
example,
in
policing
a
person
could
be
identified
as
a
suspect
or
a
criminal
in
some
cases.
B
D
Thank
you
thanks
everyone
for
inviting
us
this
meeting
tonight.
You
know,
I
know
I
know
along
this
projects.
We
spoke
about
this
a
few
months
ago
about
this
legislation,
and
you
know
we
understand
your
concerns
and
we'd
like
to
work
with
with
everyone
to
address
any
concerns
that
you
may
have
in
relation
to
any
technologies
that
we
use.
D
You
mentioned
in
your
in
your
brief
that
your
the
objective
of
this-
and
this
is
just
what
I
gathered
from
from
your
statements.
The
objective
of
this
is
for
the
facial
recognition
piece.
You
know
your
concerns
about
facial
recognition
and
some
of
the
other
issues
that
that
you
feel
come
with
that
technology.
D
Our
position
with
this
with
this
litigation
or
this
law
is
that
it
seems
it
seems
to
be
very
overly
broad
in
the
sense
that
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
only
apply
to
facial
rights.
The
way
this
is
written.
This
seems
to
apply
to
every
piece
of
surveillance
technology
that
that
we
have
all
the
way
from
our
desktop
computers
that
have
the
capability
of
viewing
the
street
cams.
D
All
the
way
to
you
know
various
other
technologies
that
we
use
for
surveillance.
So
it
just
seems
very
overly
broad,
so
we're
we're
concerned
how
we're
going
to
practically
if
this
law
was
to
move
forward.
How
would
we
practically
put
this?
You
know
be
able
to
comply
with
the
law
and
be
able
to
function
practically
under
the
under
the
under
these
parameters
of
this.
A
D
If
this
goes
far
beyond
the
facial
recognition
technology,
it
goes
like.
I
said
it
goes
well
beyond
that
it
would
seriously
seriously
hamper
our
ability
to
investigate
crimes
and
address
the
current
violence
going
on
in
our
state
the
camera
system.
I
mean
in
many
of
our
cases,
for
example,
many
of
our
shooting
cases,
video
technology
and
video
surveillance
and
other
other
means
are
a
huge
asset
to
us,
because,
unfortunately,
many
people
do
not
cooperate
with
small
investigations.
D
So
the
video
evidence
that
we
have,
whether
it's
from
a
private
establishment
or
from
the
city
cameras,
is
a
huge
asset
to
us
and
allows
us
to
find
out
what
happened,
who
was
involved
as
and
come
to
a
successful
prosecution
in
some
of
these
cases.
So
we
are,
I
mean
the
way
this
is
written.
We
have
some
serious
concerns
and
respecting
everybody's
time.
You
know
I'd
be
glad
to
go
into
further
details
or
commander
foley,
but
just
with
that
being
said,
that's
just
my
brief
summary
of
what
our
concerns
are
on
here.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
for
raising
that.
So
a
few
responses
to
what
you
said
there.
So
the
definition
of
facial
recognition
technology
has
definitely
been
evolving,
because
this
is
a
new
technology
and
you
know
each
month
I
feel
like
there's
a
new
definition
about
what
it
entails.
So
that's
something
that
I,
along
with
our
research
council,
we're
looking
to
better
define
so
that
it's
not
as
broad
as
you're
indicating
there,
because
we
really
want
to
hone
in
on
the
use
of
the
technology
and
make
sure
that
people
are
reporting
on
such
use.
C
D
Thank
you
yeah
I
mean
that's,
that's
all
that's
all
we
ask
is
that
you
know
we
can
work
collaboratively
the
facial
recognition
technology
that
you're
that
you're
referring
to
and
some
other
cities.
I
know
they
have
the
capabilities
to
do
that.
We
don't
use
there's.
None
of
our
camera
systems
have
that
have
that
ability
to
track
or
to
recognize
somebody's
facial
features
or
biometrics
based
on
the
surveillance
cameras
that
we
have
in
the
city.
So.
D
Is
in
place
right
now
any
any
surveillance
technology
to
that
to
that
effect.
So
we
just
ask
that
you
that
we
have
some
further
discussions
on
it,
so
we
can
hone
in
on
exactly
what
your
concerns
are
and
maybe
work
together.
So
that
way
it
doesn't
hamper
the
because,
as
this
reads
right
now
like
I
said,
I
can't
stress
that
enough,
as
this
is
written
right
now,
it's
it's
extremely
broad
and
it
affects
every
piece
of
our
video.
E
D
Audio
technology
that
we
currently
use
and
some
of
the
technologies
that
we
use.
Unfortunately,
I
understand
your
goal
of
transparency,
but
with
some
of
these
cases,
they're
very
law
enforcement
sensitive.
So
we
also
have
to
have
discussions
about
that
where
there
are
some
cases
where
we
would
not
be
able
to
get,
it
would
legally
be
inappropriate
and
and
probably
illegal
for
us
to
get
to
get
other
approvals
to
use
some
of
these
technologies
involving
when
it
involves
a
a
larger
case
and,
depending
on
that
case,
that
there
could
be
implications.
C
Yep
understood
and
I'll
also
note
for
everyone
on
the
line.
We
did
receive
corporation
council
comments
regarding
legislation.
Some
recommended
updates
that
we'll
be
working
collaboratively
with,
along
with
the
police
department,
as
well
as
with
the
police
reform
committee
that
was
formed
and
how
they're
they're
meeting
and
talking
about
different
reforms
that
they'd
like
to
see
in
the
policing
in
albany.
This
is
something
that
you
know,
I'm
not
looking
for
it
to
be
rushed.
C
A
Listen
to
what
you
said,
and
you
know
this
technology
is
so
new
and
we're
setting
the
groundwork
for
what's
going
to
come
down
in
the
future.
So
we
don't
have
these
cameras
today,
but
we're
moving
to
that
point
and
even
the
new
york
state
driver's
license
pictures
can
be
in
some
instances.
You
can
track
a
citizen
walking
around
or
wherever
they
are
wherever
they
show
up
in
camera
using
the
spatial
technology.
A
So
you
know,
technology
is
a
double-edged
sword,
it
has
benefits
and
then
but
it
has
problems,
and
you
know
I
know
we're
looking
to
arrest.
You
know
criminals
and
stuff,
but
at
what
price
are
we
doing
our
an
ordinary
citizen
going
around
their?
You
know
their
daily
tasks?
How
much
are
we
going
to
be
following
them?
A
And
I
worry-
and
I
know
it
sounds
kind
of
off
the
wall,
but
lately
it's
not
off
the
wall
to
me
about
it,
become
a
police
state
where
you
know
our
our
freedoms
and
stuff
become
impinged,
and
I
know
it's.
It
sounds
like
out
there,
but
we
do
see
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
and
I
mean
we
do
got
to
get
crime
under
control.
But
we
got
to
worry
about
the
freedoms
that
you
know.
The
constitution
guarantees
all
all
the
people
that
live
in
our
country.
E
A
F
A
Can
look
at
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
great
britain
where
ever
you're
on
camera
all
over
the
place,
but
that's
actually,
even
though
it's
democracy,
it
is
kind
of
you
know
there
is
a
queen
there
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I'll
I'll
end
it
at
that,
but
I
do
have
concerns
and
I'm
glad
we
can
work
this
out.
Thank
you.
D
So
we
do
have
a
facial
recognition
agreement
with
the
crime
analysis
sound.
Currently,
however,
we
do
not
use
any
facial
recognition
surveillance.
There
is
no
camera
that
we
have,
that
is
able
to
track
a
face
through
the
city,
anything
along
those
lines.
What
we
are
able
to
do
currently
is
we're
able
to
take
a
still
shot
of
a
potential
suspect
that
has
to
be
almost
in
pristine
condition
straight
on
a
straight
face
on
we're
able
to
enter
it
into
these,
a
system
which
is
managed
by
new
york.
D
New
jersey,
haida
and
haida
stands
for
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area,
and
basically,
what
that
allows
us
to
do.
It
allows
us
access
to
pims,
which
is
photographic,
imaging
mugshot
system
and
any
of
our
current
pictures
that
we
enter
into
there
only
get
compared
against
mug
shots
that
are
on
new
york
housed
by
this
system
and
then
in
return
we
would
get
a
possible
hit.
That
hit
has
to
be
investigated.
D
G
D
Written,
I
believe
this
is
written
more
towards
the
facial
surveillance
technology
that
allows
you
to
track
people
through
the
the
crowd
type
stuff.
We
currently
do
not
utilize
that
and,
as
the
chief
said,
you
know
and
we'd
like
to
sit
down
and
hammer
out
figuring
out
if
that
is
in
the
future
and
sending
limitations,
if
that's
possible.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
what
what
we
currently
do
as
opposed
to
what
this
law
makes
reference
to
himself.
B
D
Many
steps
can
we
put
that
picture
in
to
compare
it?
Well,
usually
a
lot
of
times
the
the
picture
has
to
be.
There
has
to
be.
Obviously
you
know,
initial
response
to
the
scene
interview
the
witnesses,
development
of
a
possible
suspect
that,
if
at
all,
then
we
go
out
and
we
do
a
video
canvas
or
a
canvas
of
some
sort,
and
we
come
up
with
video.
D
On
a
more
accelerated
basis,
depending
on
how
good
the
shot
is
when
it
first
comes
in
and
the
you
know,
obviously
the
nature
of
the
crime,
we
have
used
this
process
to
do
several
things.
We
we
have
used
it
to
identify
a
victim
of
a
car
accident
fatal
of
a
car
accident
which
we
had
no
identity,
no
id
on
him.
We
had
no
way
to
identify
and
we
attempted
identifying
some
facial
recognition.
I
don't
recall
whether
we
were
successful
in
trying
to
get
him
a
diet
identified.
D
We
wanted,
but
we
wanted
to
let
his
family
know.
It
was
another
instance-
and
I
we
spoke
with
this
with
miss
frederick
the
last
time
we
spoke
where
we
had
a
bank
robbery
suspect
in
custody.
He
was
stopped
just
a
few
blocks
away
from
a
bankrupt
where
he
was
sitting
in
our
interview
room
and
we
put
the
picture
in
facial
recognition
and
it
came
back
to
another
guy,
and
then
we
were
able
to
verify
that
the
guy
was
in
fact
in
the
area.
D
He
was
the
suspect
and
the
guy
was
led
out
of
the
inner
room
and
he
was
exonerated
of
his
crime.
As
a
result
of
facial
recognition,
so
we
use
it
various
ways:
it's
not
used
very
widely
by
us.
In
fact,
of
all
the
cases
we
worked
in
2019,
we
only
used
it
for
36
incidents.
Out
of
that,
we
got
14
possible
hits,
and
this
year
so
far,
we've
used
it
32
times.
D
So
it's
not.
It's
not
a
very
widely
used.
Investigative
need
that
our
very
investigative
process
that
we
utilize,
but
it
is
a
tool
that
we
have
and
if
there's
a
strict
policy
like
the
commander
said
this
is
a
state
program.
So
this
comes
out
of
all
the
cracs,
and
this
is
a
statewide
program,
a
policy
that
they
that
they
put
in
effect,
so
there's
strict
guidelines,
it's
going
through
various
levels
of
approval
throughout
the
state
and
something
that
they
they
take
very
seriously.
We
met
as
an
executive
committee
with
the
cacs.
D
This
has
been
approved
all
around
the
state,
the
policy
that
they
use
for
for
that
type
of
facial
recognition
of
technology
that
the
commander
spoke
about,
and
just
really
this
is
not
the
facial
surveillance
technology.
This
is
a
stagnant,
still
photo
facial
wreck
against
a
known
database
of
mugshots.
B
F
Had
a
question,
this
is
a
pretty
lengthy
piece
of
legislation.
I
was
wondering
if
you
got
it
from
some
other
municipality
and
if
so,
which
ones
have
have
you
talked
to
them,
know
what
kind
of
issues
they've
had
what
kind
of
problems
how
they've
worked
theirs
out
and
maybe
the
chiefs
would
know.
Also,
I
don't
know
if
the
state
police
use
it
the
fbi
locally,
atf
that
we
work
with.
So
these
are
some
of
the
questions
that
I
had.
C
So
I'll
jump
in
here
so
as
when
this
this
has
been
months
in
the
making
I'll
say,
and
when
this
was
originally
brought
up,
we
did
try
to
mirror
similar
cities
that
have
this
implemented
now
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
what
we're
not
calling
for
here
is
an
outright
ban
of
the
technology.
There
have
been
cities
that
have
done
that
san
francisco
oakland
cambridge,
like
the
these
cities,
have
fully
banned
the
use
of
facial
recognition
technology
here.
C
This
is
more
so
of
trying
to
let
the
police
department
and
other
departments
with
that
intend
on
future
use
still
continue,
however,
have
strict
protocols
in
place
and
strict
reporting
in
place
around
that,
so
it
doesn't
get
to
the
point
of
council
member
hoey's
comment
out
of
hand
and
sort
of
not
in
our
control.
So
to
go
back
to
your
original
question,
joe,
we
did
use
boston
legislation
as
a
example
for
when
we
were
crafting
this.
C
C
So
as
written
because
it
is
a
little
bit
broader,
this
there
is
potential
for
it
to
impact
some
other
departments,
including
parking
authority,
the
city
of
albany
itself.
However,
when
we
narrow
that
down
we're
going
to
have
a
better,
a
better
representation
of
what
departments
it
will
actually
affect,
but,
mr
conti,
I
do
want
to
state
that
if
you
follow
the
national
trends
of
the
technology
use,
we
are
seeing
some
school
districts
at
a
national
level
using
this
technology
as
well,
so
albany
school
district
right
now
in
its
currency
does
not.
H
I
C
However,
there
is
a
importance
in
this
technology
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
aware
of
in
that
the
technology
currently
in
its
current
state
is
not
fully
developed
to
the
point
where
it
can
distinguish
between
a
person
of
color
or
someone
with
traditional
facial
facial
features.
Similarly,
a
woman
who
has
softer
facial
features.
Studies
have
reported
that
the
technology
itself
would
lead
could
lead
to
a
false
positive.
C
So
that's
where
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
really
are
collaborative
in
in
revising
this
and
bringing
it
to
the
table,
because,
obviously,
technologies
will
advance
technologies
will
get
better
as
time
grows,
but
many
studies
have
shown
right
now
that
it
disproportionately
affects
marginalized
groups
and
that's
where
I
think
we
need
to
put
this
forward.
In
addition,
with
the
other
metrics
that
will
be
included
in
the
reporting
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
happening
in
the
city
of.
D
I
just
want
to
just
again
re-emphasize
that
there
is
for
the
technology
facial
recognition
technology
that
the
commander
spoke
about.
There
are
a
lot
of
protections
in
place
to
address
and,
as
we
speak
further
in
a
collaborative
you
know,
as
a
collaborative
group
we
can,
we
can
show
you
guys
and
go
look
for
the
policy
with
you,
but
there's
a
lot
of
protections
in
there
and
just
the
fact
that
these
are
just
investigative
leads
and
no
one
is
being
arrested
as
a
result
of
these
identifications.
D
It's
just
one
of
those
one
of
those
protections
that
are
in
these
and
these
policies-
and
I
also
want
to
draw
attention
to,
I
think,
we're
confusing,
but
we're
kind
of
lumping
all
the
technology
into
one
thing.
It
sounds
like,
like
the
boston,
the
city
of
boston
as
you're.
Referring
to
I
read
some
of
this,
some
of
the
material
out
of
boston
and
I
believe.
D
D
If
you
can,
if
I
can
put
a
camera
up
out
in
public
and
monitor
people
and
identify
people
using
facial
rec,
I
understand
the
concern
there,
but
that's
far
different
than
what
what
we're
using
with
the
technology
with
the
facial
recognition
in
the
center
that
we're
using.
I
think,
they're,
two
separate
things
and.
D
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
so.
I'm
aware
there's
some
incredible
podcasts
about,
I
think
the
dangers
that
council
member
frederick
is
concerned
with,
which
is
completely
not
what
you
guys
are
doing
when
you
describe
that
the
there's.
Actually,
the
big
issues
came
from
pilot
programs
with,
I
believe
amazon
had
one
and
google
had
one
and
depending
on
where
the
software
was
created.
E
So
the
one
I
don't
remember,
which
one
one
was
created
in
asia
and
was
great
at
identifying
asian
people,
but
not
so
great
at
any
other
ethnicity
and
another
one
was
created
in
a
very
caucasian
area.
So
it
was
great
at
identifying
caucasian
people,
but
this
technology
uses
social
media
like
all
sorts
of
different
things,
and
it's
it's
not.
It
is
literally
just
out
on
the
street
and
there's
a
lot
of
dangers
that
are
with
it.
B
F
F
B
Okay
and-
and
so
I
would
say,
based
on
miss
frederick's
your
willingness
to
to
work
on
this-
that
we
just
hold
it
in
committee
until
we
get
to
have
those
discussions,
I'd
like
if
at
all
possible
to
be
a
part
of
them.
If
you
guys
make
arrangements
to
do
that,
and
then
we'll
have
the
discussion
or
week,
you
can
have
the
discussion
and
we'll
come
back
here
and-
and
you
know,
have
another
discussion
before
passing
it
out.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
that's
that
part
of
our
agenda,
thank
you
chief
and
commander,
and
obviously
with
the
the
violence
prevention,
you're
you're,
welcome
to
stay
and
weigh
in
on
the
conversation
for
that.
So
for
the
second
part
of
this,
and-
and
I
know
the
the
meeting
notice
that
went
out
says,
gun
violence
prevention
task
force,
it
was
supposed
to
be.
Violence
was
amended
right.
B
Okay,
violence
prevention-
I
probably
have
no
copy
of
it
that
I'm
I'm
reading
off
of
so
and
it
and
that
violence
prevention
task
force
is
a
part
of
the
equity
agenda
under
the
violence
prevention
section.
So
this
is
a
discussion
on
on
moving
forward
with
that
and
just
based
on
the
actual
legislation
I
I'll
read
through
it
just
real
quickly
common
council,
public
safety
committee
will
establish
a
violence
prevention
task
force.
B
The
vice
prevention
task
force
will
be
responsible
for
convening
stakeholders
every
fall
to
develop
action
items
in
preparation
for
the
upcoming
summer,
in
anticipation
of
an
uptick
in
violence.
Task
force
will
be
composed
of
members
of
the
albany
common
council's
public
safety
committee.
Community
members
from
wards
disproportionately
impacted
by
violence
at
least
one
used
representative
representatives
from
the
albany
police
department,
the
mayor's
office,
the
school
district,
clergy
and
members
from
violence,
prevention-related
organizations,
I'll
stop
right.
B
J
F
B
B
Preparation-
okay,
I
I
guess
there's
some
some
just
some
clarity.
So,
for
instance,
the
violence
prevention
task
force
will
be
responsible
for
convening
stakeholders
every
fall.
How
are
we
how
we
adding
and
again
it's
probably
just
a
public
safety
meeting
and
and
pulling
folks
into
it?
The
stakeholders
every
fall
to
develop
action
items
in
preparation
for
upcoming
uptick
in
violence?
Task
force
will
be
composed
of
so.
Okay.
B
J
That
is
a
great
example
of
the
variety,
the
variety
of
stakeholders
that
was
envisioned
for
the
violence,
prevention
task
force
and
then
I'll
just
add
everyone
kept
saying
what
about
the
youth?
The
youth
are
not
represented
at
the
table,
and
so
that's
why
that
language
was
explicit
about
making
sure
that
there
is
at
least
one
youth
representative.
B
A
One
of
the
things
I'm
concerned
about-
and
I
just
got
hit
with
it
on
friday-
was
that
the
schools
now
in
albany
go
totally
virtual
and
kids
are
going
to
be
staying
home
and
especially
the
ages
that
they're
going
to
make
it
totally
virgil.
I'm
sorry
is
grade
7
through
12.
and
I'm
I
have
a
deep
concern,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
bring
the
school
district
back
in
you
know
I'm
upset,
because
I
have
a
child
that
I
want
to
go
to
school.
G
I
was
gonna
say
the
one
thing
that
I
liked
about
that.
The
group
of
people
is
that
we
brought
people
that
had
resources
to
the
table
because
it
takes
resources
to
get
a
lot
of
these
initiatives
going
to
individuals
that
had
programs
people
from
the
clergy,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
everybody
doing
their
little
piece.
G
That
has
been
what
kept
our
community
together
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with,
because
a
lot
of
these
programs
have
not
been
able
to
be
fulfilled
because
of
covert.
That
was
seeing
these
issues,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
I'd
like
to
see
it
as
a
monthly
initiative
monthly
meeting,
so
that
it's
it's
it's
constantly.
F
Kelly,
I
go
along
with
alfredo
there.
I
don't
know
monthly,
but
at
least
quarterly,
and
I
have
a
concern
about
all
the
different
groups
meeting
and
different
things
right
now.
Some
of
these
people
that
were
involved
last
year.
It
was
a
great
group.
Okay.
Now
I
don't
know
if
they're
they're
being
involved
in
this
they're
involved
with
some
of
the
other
meetings
that
are
going
on
these
other
committees.
F
You
might
say:
I'm
just
you
know,
I
don't
want
people
fighting,
not
fighting
against
each
other,
but
struggling
to
do
to
do
everything
you
know
so
so
we
have
this
task
force.
Then
we
have
the
gun,
violence
task
force,
we're
putting
together
that
that's
my
concerns,
just
can't
be
all
over
the
place
with
the
same
people
is.
F
B
F
B
Yeah,
it's
just
this
one
and
I
I
happen
to
agree
we'll
have
to
re-convene
the
folks
and
the
thing
is
we
had
that
emergency
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I
I
think,
and
through
discussion
with
some
of
the
the
old
stakeholders
they
would
have
attended.
Had
it
not
been
such
short
notice,
we
did
like
a
three
or
four
day
turnaround,
so
I
think
we
would
have
seen
a
lot
more
folks
had
it.
It
was
a
quick
turnaround,
end
of
friday,
and
so
maybe
that
played
into
it.
B
J
Yes,
that
would
be
that
would
be
up
to
how
the
council
sees
fit.
In
particular,
the
public
safety
committee
he's
fit
to
to
structure
that
so
typically,
and
given
the
nature
of
the
stakeholder
group,
the
idea
is
to
have
a
grassroots
feel
to
the
group,
because
those
are
the
folks
who
are
on
the
ground
in
the
trenches
doing
the
work,
and
so,
instead
of
a
traditional,
you
know
the
we
choose
who
leadership
should
be.
J
I
thought
that
it
would
be
best
to
leave
it
open
so
that
organically,
if
there
were
some
depending
on
who
you
select
to
be
a
part
of
this,
there
may
organically
be
some
leaders
that
you
think
should
share
it
and
it
not
necessarily
be
an
elected
official
or
someone
who
has
a
official
title
to
break
down
those
barriers
in
terms
of
hierarchy
and
understanding
that
those
closest
to
the
the
street
doing
the
work.
They
should
have
a
leadership
role
in
this.
J
And
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
name
change.
Initially,
it
did
say:
violence
gun,
violence,
prevention,
task
force.
The
mayor
actually
suggested
that
we
take
gun
out,
because
when
the
legislation
was
being
drafted,
we
had
quite
a
few
stabbings,
and
so
her
concern
was
that
if
we
kept
the
gun
piece
in
that
it
would
be
so
narrow
when
in
fact,
we
have
so
many
different
types
of
violence
happening
in
the
city
and
at
that
time
we
had
a
lot
of
stabbing.
J
No,
I
the
idea
was
more
so
for
this
body
to
create
recommendations,
strategies
for
how
to
address
the
issue,
the
the
violence
issue
that
happens
every
summer,
so
not
necessarily
any
reporting
to
any
specific
group,
and
since
the
council
was
members
of
the
council
would
be
a
part
of
this.
I
didn't
think
it
made
sense
for
this
group
to
do
a
report
for
the
council,
but
more
so
the
recommendations
that
this
group
comes
up
with
and
the
solutions
would
be
shared
with
council
members,
the
administration,
the
community
at
large.
D
Our
thoughts
are
just
we
want
to.
You
know.
We
think
it's
a
good
thing
and
we'd
like
to
participate
and
help
out
and
work
collaboratively
as
much
as
possible,
because
you
know
these
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
out
there.
I
think
you
know
there's
many
solutions
and
many
things
we
bring
to
the
table
to
help
solve
some
of
these
issues,
and
you
know
we're
happy
to
participate
in
any
way.
You
guys
need
us
or
see
fit.
B
Okay,
thanks
chief
and
then
just
we
talk
about
the
budget
line,
I
mean,
I
know
we're
we're.
I
mean
we
got
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
now,
financially
the
city
does,
but
that
aside
for
for
now
and
for
the
future,
I
mean
what
what
what
would
a-
and
this
is
just
general
to
everyone-
not
just
doctor-
please,
but
when
you're
talking
about
trying
to
you
know,
add
the
budget
line
and,
put
you
know
putting
some
funding
aside
to
deal
with
this.
B
Do
we
have
any
idea
of
you
know
ballpark
or
ideas
for
funding,
for
something
like
this
and,
of
course
it
would
be
based
in
what
the
group
comes
up
with
what
what
kind
of
initiatives
or
or
recommendations
excuse
me.
The
group
will
come
up
for
how
to
how
to
prevent
this
violence
and
it
could
be
programming.
It
could
be.
You
know,
programs
or
or
what
have
you
to
to
deal
with
this
so
thoughts.
J
J
I
just
spoke
to
david
and
he
said
oh
we're
on
it.
We
will
have
something
ready
to
present
as
part
of
a
as
part
of
the
budget,
the
money
allocated
for
the
initiative,
so
this
may
be,
and
I
thought
david
would
potentially
be
on
the
call.
This
conversation,
I
think,
should
happen
in
conjunction
with
either
the
budget
office
or
at
least
david,
because
they
are
already
spending
their
wheels
about
the
allocation
of
the
funding.
J
The
other
thing
I'll
add
is
that
the
idea
was
that
the
violence
prevention
task
force
would
lead
the
community
through
a
process
in
which
the
community
decides,
with
support
from
the
violence
prevention
task
force,
how
the
money
is
spent,
so
funding
current
initiatives
that
are
already
on
the
ground,
doing
the
work,
and
so,
instead
of
the
council
saying
this,
where
the
money
is
where
the
money
should
go
or
the
administration
is
very
much
a
grassroots
level
process
for
deciding
which
organization
should
get
funded.
To
continue.
The
work
that
they're
already
doing.
B
F
F
J
B
No
well
what
what
I
guess
at
this
point
since
we're
we
we've
kind
of
had
a
little
bit
of
discussion.
Anyone
have
anything
else
to
add.
If
you
don't,
what
we're
gonna
do
is,
I
think
the
logical
thing
to
do
would
be
to
pull
some
of
those.
Those
old
you
know
reach
out
to
the
the
old
stakeholders,
try
to
get
them
involved
in
this
process
and
ask
them.
You
know
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
and
have
that
discussion
to
try
to
build
this
team.
B
Right
and
get
youth
in
there
and
then,
if
we
do,
we
make
the
context
have
the
conversations.
Then
we
can
follow
up
with
a
with
a
another
public
safety
meeting,
to
kind
of
refine
that
and
and
put
it
all
together
that
that's
that's
going
to
be
my
suggestion
at
this
point
two
two
hands,
mr
hoey
was
first
and
then
mr
ballerina.
A
Yeah,
I
am
kind
of
concerned
and
I'm
going
to
be
honest,
it's
difficult!
I
don't
want
to
seem,
like
you
know,
the
balloon,
a
bubble,
breaker,
I'm
very
concerned
about
with
number
one,
the
leadership
where
well
we'll
try
to
figure
it
out.
I
think
going
into
this
that
there
should
be-
and
I
I'm
not
looking
for
the
council
to
leave,
but
we
should
have
a
rough
idea
who's
going
to
lead
this
task
force
just
to
leave
it
kind
of
loosey-goosey.
Well,
we'll
figure
it
out
as
we
go
we'll
build
the
plane
as
we're
flying.
A
I
I'm
very
nervous
about
it.
The
other
thing
I'm
worried
about
is
the
the
no
report.
I
I
would
like
to
see
something
come
out
of
this.
If
people
miss
a
meeting
or
or
not
involved,
you
know
other
council
members,
they
can't
make
it.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
some
kind
of
like
report
with
the
recommendations.
A
B
A
Show
where
we
are
no,
what
I'm
looking
for
is
that
at
the
end
of
this
task
force
that
some
and
we
should
have
a,
how
long
is
this
going
to
last?
What's
the
timeline
we're
looking
at
so,
let's
say
we're
going
to
be
done
by
april
or
june
whenever,
at
the
end
of
that
time,
we're
putting
a
lot
of
effort
and
energy
into
this.
What
comes
out
of
it?
What
what
recommendations
comes
out?
What
what
items
did
we
discuss?
A
A
A
B
A
B
Yeah
that
that's
it
right
and
so
for
the
leadership
thing
I'll
have
michelle
reach
out
to
the
prior
stakeholders.
If
you'd
like
I
can
speak
to
every
one
of
them
have
a
conversation
and
ask
them
to
participate
and
and
once
they
they
agree
or
not.
What
what
we
end
up
with
we'll
come
back
to
the
public
safety
committee,
and
we
can,
we
can
just
we
can
discuss
adding
members
or
not
to
the
to
the
to
the
mix.
I.
A
B
Right,
I
agree
with
you
100
and
I
believe
when
we
had
our
meeting
about
the
violence
prior
that
that
she
was
on
that
list
or
a
part
of
that
that
group,
but
I
can
certainly
michelle,
will
you
add
her
to
the
list
if
she's
not
already
on
there
for
us
to
reach
out
to
to
get
her
participation
in
in
in
the
group?
I'm
sorry,
mr
ballerin,
I
know
you've
been
waiting.
G
G
I
think
we
we
too
often
are
in
our
own
little
spears,
and
you
know,
we've
got
to
put
our
arrogance
to
the
side
and
realize
that
if
we
really
want
to
make
things
better
in
our
community,
we
need
to
maximize
all
the
resources
that
we
have,
and
that
is
our
schools,
our
city
government,
our
county
government,
our
you
know
our
police
department,
our
wrecks.
You
know
our
clergy.
Our
churches
are
not
for
profits.
G
G
I
think
it
needs
to
be
something
that
we
see
as
not
a
diet
but
a
life
change.
You
know
it's
not
something
we
do
now.
Just
you
know,
you
know,
because
it's
you
know
it's
the
time
to
do
it.
No,
it's
a
life
change,
it's
something
we're
going
to
be
doing
consistently,
because,
even
though
we
have
years
where
you
have
ups
and
downs
of
violence,
you
still
have
violence.
G
G
You
want
to
be
a
stakeholder
and
if
you
want
to
be
in
these
positions,
if
you
want
to
be
you
know,
if
you
want
to
head
a
not-for-profit
now,
you
have
a
responsibility
to
the
community
that
you
serve.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
start
creating
that
type
of
mentality,
that
this
is
a
life
change,
not
a
diet
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
clear
outcomes
and
that
we're
all
in
this
together
we're
either
going
to
float
together
or
we're
going
to
sing
together.
C
Callie
you
alluded
to
what
I
was
going
to
ask
after
I
rose
my
hand,
but
basically
I
was
going
to
say
that,
in
addition
to
the
prior
stakeholders,
we
should
look
to
bring
in
new
members
of
the
community,
especially
given
the
uptick
we
saw
in
crime
this
year.
There
might
be
new
individuals
that
would
have
more
insights
or
could
bring
more
to
the
table
in
addition
to
the
ones
that
were
previously
brought
together.
For
this.
B
B
We
have
to
be
in
contact
with
these
people.
Ask
them
to
commit
to
do
it,
so
we
can't.
But
again
it's
the
it's.
It's
the
you
know
this
obviously
apd,
it's
the
snugs,
it's
the
it's
it's
lisa,
lisa,
good
and
and
her
her
group.
It's
all
the
people
that
and
again
the
easiest
thing
to
do,
and
the
most
sensible
thing
to
do
is
grab
and
latch
on
to
people
as
stakeholders
that
are
already
doing
the
work.
You're,
not
recreating
the
wheel
and
you're
not
pulling
them
out
of
their
element.
J
Councilman
kimbro,
I
I
wanted
to
just
say,
and
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
fact
that
I
recognize
that
I
am
not
on
the
council,
and
so
I,
however,
at
this
time,
so,
however,
the
council,
I
want
to
be
respect.
The
conversation
that's
happening
and
what
you
what
you
come
up
with.
I
will
say
just
from
my
experience
convening
the
stakeholder
group
in
in
the
past.
These
are
folks,
movers
and
shakers.
J
You
have
the
superintendent,
you
have
jerome,
who
is
hopping
he's
in
the
streets
he's,
so
this
traditional
meeting
setting
consecutive
meetings
that
didn't
work,
and
so
we
had
to
be
creative
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
people
at
the
table.
They
weren't
interested
in
long
meetings
because
they
have
so,
as
I
think
joe
or
somebody
mentioned,
they
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on,
so
they
wanted
clear
objectives
about
what
we
were
there
to
achieve
and
come
up
with,
and
the
legislation
says
action
items
for
a
reason.
J
J
They
are
here
to
do
the
work
and-
and
we
set
this-
what
I
was
intentional
about
doing
is
setting
up
the
the
platform
for
us
to
convey
and
then
get
out
of
their
way,
so
that
they
could
do
the
important
work
that
they
were
already
doing.
So
it
was
clear
that
they
didn't
want
top
heavy
leadership
from
the
council.