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From YouTube: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:30PM Public Safety Committee
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The Committee discussed The City of Albany’s Police Reform & Reinvention Collaborative's recommendations. The Committee reviewed Local Law J of 2020 As Amended 020121. Local Law J of 2020 enhances the CPRB’s authority and ability to exercise oversight, review, and resolution of community complaints alleging abuse of police authority.
A
All
right
we're
going,
but
let
me
just
rearrange
this.
B
Okay,
that
would
be
helpful
yep,
so,
okay
welcome
everyone
to
our
feb.
The
council's
february,
8th
public
safety
committee
meeting.
B
What
I'll
do
is
because
people
are
still
jumping
around
jr?
Can
you
just
call
out
the
the
members
of
public
safety
and
council
members
that
are
here.
A
Okay,
so
far
with
us,
we
have
council,
member
fahey,
council,
member
tom
hoey.
I
go
and
council
member
conti
and
council
member
kim
bro.
That's
all
I
see
from
the
council
right
now.
B
Okay,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
there,
two
pages
so,
okay,
those
were
the
council
members
that
also
just
in
general,
recognize
that
they're
members
of
the
cpr
be
here
apd
folks
are
are
here.
We
got
some
representatives
from
looks
like
act
pack,
violence
prevention,
task
force
also.
B
Okay,
as
well
as
dr
green
and
mr
mcgee's
host
mr
mcgee
and
mr
lewis,
officer,
mcgee
and
sergeant
lewis
are
also
here
from
apd's
two
unions-
okay,
so
we're
here
to
tonight
to
talk
about
the
police
reforms.
B
We
had
local
law
jay,
which
we
were
trying
to
which
we
were
making
some
changes
to.
Based
on
our
last
meeting,
we
were
trying
to
button
that
up,
so
we
could
pass
it
out
of
committee
and
we
were
also
going
to
take
public
comment
regarding
the
police,
reform
and
reinvention
final
final
report
there.
So
first
we're
gonna
do
local
law
jay
and
we
what
we
did
was
we
made.
B
What
we
did
was
got
together
and
made
the
the
recommended
amendments
from
our
last
meeting
and
put
those
in
there
and
so
folks
had
a
chance
to
to
look
at
this.
It's
been
up
since
the
meeting
notice
went
out
last
monday,
so
folks
did
get
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
But
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
see
if
any
any
committee
members
public
safety
committee
members
would
like
to
make
comment.
A
B
B
So
yeah,
so
that
was
mr
igo,
so
any
other
members
I'm,
mr
conte,
I
mean
you,
you
kind
of
led
in
making
the
changes
in
the
adjustments.
We
didn't
really
change
it
much
from
what
we
talked
about
last,
but
would
you
care
to
speak
to.
E
No,
I
think
I
think
it
reflects
discussion.
We
had.
E
It
does
provide
that
the
government
law
center
that
contract
will
now
be
put
out
on
a
periodic
basis.
So
it's
no
longer
going
to.
I
mean
the
government
law
center
can
be
the
administrative
agency,
but
we
it'll
open
that
up
clarify
some
of
the
budgeting
provisions
in
terms
of
cpr
doing
their
own
budget,
really
not
having
to
come
to
the
council
for
approval
of
anything
so
long
as
it's
within
their
budget.
E
It
you
know
all
the
areas
where
you
have
the
government
law
center
is
now
replaced
by
more
generic
administrative
agencies.
A
A
Sorry
trying
to
monitor
the
zoom
at
the
same
time.
Okay
generally.
No,
we
it
there
wasn't
much
substantial
changes.
It
was
a
a
lot
of
it
was
in
in
technical
corrections
and
technical
corrections,
and
also
removing
government
law
center
and
replacing
it
with
a
more
generic
term
and
clarifying
the
budgeting
process.
B
C
Yes,
j.r,
would
you
want
to
comment
on
the
letter
that
corp
council
sent
late
this
afternoon.
C
B
Was
I
actually
it
was
my
intention
after
we
asked
to
to
shift
and
let
mr
williams
maybe
speak
for
for.
C
F
Yeah
I
just
was
concerned
about
dr
green's
letter
and
how
it
impacts.
I
mean
we
have
a
couple
things
going
on
here.
Does
that
letter
impact
public
law
jay,
which
is
supposed
to
be
the
re-event?
So
I
just
had
that
question.
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
because
I
definitely
read
her
letter
and
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
discuss
it.
Thank
you
right
and.
B
We'll
we'll
we'll
do
the
the
police
reform
collaborative
after
we
get
through
the
local
law
j
conversation.
The
idea
right
now
is
so
if
folks
spoke
or
speak,
it'll
be
for
three
minutes
on
local
law.
J.
B
B
B
B
5
30,
the
meeting
starts
we
talk
through
and
have
a
discussion,
and
then
we
get
to
public
comment.
Well
we're
dealing
with
local
law
j
right
now.
So
let
us
get
through
this
and
then
we'll
we'll
head
into
the
conversation
about
the
the
police,
reform
and
reinvention
collaborative
what.
B
G
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
where
was
I
okay?
Oh
oh
council
members.
I
I
asked
for
comment
from
the
committee
public
safety
committee
members.
Any
I
can't
see
any
hands.
It
was
just
mr
hoey
before
so.
With
that
I
I
will
move
on
to
to
mr
williams.
H
All
right,
so
I
I
just
want
to
know
that
there
were
a
couple
things
that
I
thought
needed
a
little
clarification
on
this.
H
At
the
near
the
end
before
it
talks
about
cprb
findings,
it
talks
about
the
chief
being
able
to
not
being
able
to
impose
any
discipline
until
there
are
determinations
made
by
the
cprb.
H
And
or
if
they
decide
that
no
discipline
is
necessary,
and
I
think
that
there's
something
else
in
there
that
that
that
is
also
a
little
unclear
to
me
throughout
the
document.
In
terms
of
does
this
imply
that
every
single
complaint
that
is
referred
to
the
cprb
that
they
may
must
make
a
determination
on
each
and
every
one
of
those
complaints
and
and
either
their
determination,
is
no
discipline
or
reaching
determination
regarding
discipline.
H
The
reason
why
I
ask
that
is,
I
think
that
they're
I
mean
you
know
things,
for
example,
that
are
referred
to
mediation
where
there
might
be.
You
know
that
choice
or
the
cprb
might
decide
that
there
are
things
for
which
it
might
be
appropriate
for
there
to
be
discipline,
but
it
doesn't
rise
to
the
level
of
them
conducting
a
complete
investigation
and
review,
etc.
H
I
don't
know
exactly
how
this
all
works,
but
it
struck
me
as
though
there
might,
we
might
want
to
add
minimally
add
an
option
that,
or
the
chief
has
received
a
letter
from
the
cprb.
H
You
know
making
a
determination
that
they
do
not
need
to
complete
their
review
or
that
they
will
not
be
doing
a
review
in
advance
of
disciplinary
measures
being
taken
by
lee's
jeep.
So
that
was
one
thing
where
I
thought
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
ambiguity
in
it,
and
the
other
thing
is
when
we
talk
about
the
matrix.
H
It
talks
about
the
cprv
establishing
the
matrix
in
the
first
sentence
of
that
provision,
and
then
it
talks
about
the
police
chief
shall
make
the
final
determination
with
regard
to
the
matrix,
and
my
gut
reaction
on
that
is
that
that's
those
provisions
are
internally
in
conflict
and
there
should
be
some
sort
of
clarification
of
of
how
that
is
handled.
H
I
do
think
that
it's
appropriate
for
there
to
be
some
sort
of
escape
clause
or
or
ability
for
there
to
be
a
higher
level
of
review.
H
Regarding
that,
because
if
the
chief
adopts
something
that
is
inconsistent
with
discussions
and
guidance
from
the
cprb,
then
the
cf
cprb
are
bound
by
that
matrix
that
the
chief
has
then
adopted
separately.
So
that
was
just
those
were
the
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
bring
to
people's
attention
that
I
think
maybe
could
use
a
little
bit
of.
B
Thank
you,
miss
o'shea
and
just
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
that
we're
we
we
made
those
changes
to
try
and
get.
You
know
to
the
point
where
we
could.
We
could
move
ahead
and
get
this
out
of
committee,
but
that's
not
the.
I
just
want
to
state
that.
That's
not
the
end.
In
terms
of
amendments
and
editing,
I
mean
it's
a
it's.
It's
the
you
know.
If
we
pass
it
out,
it
was.
We
could
still
do
the
tweaks
to
the
law
without
substantially
changing
it.
F
A
I
just
want
to
clarify
real
quick
with
the
with
the
the
discipline
matrix
portion
that
one
is
to
provide
a
community
import
in
input
portion.
That's
why
the
chief
still
has
it
because
in
the
end,
as
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
still
states,
the
chief
is
the
only
one
who
can
institute
discipline
of
that
nature.
A
But
the
discipline
matrix
allows
for
the
cprb
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
chief
on
its
form
of
this
on
any
matrix,
so
to
say,
but
the
chief
is
the
one
who
has
the
ultimate
say
in
terms
of
the
first
issue
that
councilwoman
doshay
brought
up
it's
a
matter
of
if
it's
brought
before
the.
A
If
it's
it's
a
matter
as
if
it's
brought
up
before
the
cpr
b,
that
then
the
chief
wants
to
a
discipline
unless,
until
the
the
investigation
by
the
cprb
are
done,
because,
typically
it
goes
through
ops
and
basically
with
the
way
it's
being
restructured.
It's
a
dual
investigation,
ops
and
the
cprb,
and
so
therefore
the
ops
is
done,
but
cprb
is
still
working
on
their
investigation.
H
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanna.
I
appreciate
that
clarification
and
I
I
would
love
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
language
and
just
see,
if
maybe
that
could
be
a
little
bit
made
a
little
bit
more
clear.
B
B
No
hands
no
hands.
Mr
williams,.
J
So
too,
so
to
that
point,
if
we
so
tightening
up
that
language,
I
think
the
description
as
jr
stated
now
seems
to
be
you
know,
favorable
or
at
least
what
we
were
aiming
towards.
So
we
could
still
vote
this
out
of
committee
correct
and
make
the
change
after.
F
J
I
All
right,
shall
I
sure,
yeah,
okay,
so
maurice's
email
is
referring
to
what's
been
an
ongoing
legal
fight
over
the
changes
rochester
made
with
regard
to
their
what
they
call
their
police
accountability
board,
which
mirrors
in
a
lot
of
ways.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here.
Their
police
accountability
board
had
under
its
enabling
statute
had
probably
more
powers
than
ours
does,
and,
as
marisa
mentioned,
it
was
really
sort
of
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
state
and
one
of
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
nation.
I
But
almost
from
the
time
it
was
enacted.
There's
in
2019
there's
been
ongoing
litigation
regarding
it
and
that
litigation
is
looking
at
a
few
different
issues
with
regard
to
their
statutes,
some
of
which
we
foresee
being
issues
with
our
statute
as
well.
The
way
it's
currently
written.
I
Section
42-343-a
in
our
statute,
which
states
the
cprb
shall
have
the
power
to
conduct
independent
investigations
as
necessary,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
and
the
power
to
discipline
authors
officers
if
a
complaint
of
misconduct
is
substantiated
is
sustained.
Excuse
me.
I
The
most
recent
decision
in
this
rochester
string
of
cases
has
said
that
the
cprb
or
the
police
accountability
board
can't
have
that
sort
of
exclusive
authority
over
discipline.
I
know
we
have
a
matrix,
we're
talking
about
and
we're
the
the
chief
retains
some
say
in
the
disciplinary
process
here,
but
under
state
law,
the
taylor
law
and
a
few
other
statutes.
I
The
rochester
common
council
acted
ultravirus
when
it
enacted
local
law
too,
that
contradicted
the
civil
service
law
and
the
taylor
law
by
putting
discipline
or
disciplinary
authority
strictly
in
the
hands
of
their
police
accountability
board.
So,
as
I
said,
it's
that
one
particular
provision
that
concerns
me
where
it
says
that
the
cprv
shall
have
the
power
to
discipline
officers.
I
I
I
have
a
concern
as
well.
We
have
a
concern
regarding
the
whether
putting
that
sort
of
disciplinary
authority
into
the
cprb's
hands
would
be
effectively
removing
that
authority
from
the
executive
branch
or
the
mayor,
which
is
something
that
would
require
a
referendum
to
have
done,
and
I
think
as
well.
A
referendum
could
be
required
here
with
regard
to
the.
I
Stipulations
that
have
been
worked
into
the
cprb
here,
although
that
may
have
changed
since
the
last
draft.
But
in
any
event
I
think
a
referendum
is
is
probably
necessary
in
order
for
this
to
be
passed
in
its
current
form
and
even
with
a
referendum.
I
think
that
language
I
referenced
before
may
have
to
come
out,
giving
the
cprv
sort
of
unfettered
disciplinary
authority.
I
Any
questions
regarding
all
that:
it's
it's
a
pretty
long
court
case.
So
if
the
council
wants
something
in
writing
to
that
effect,
I'm
happy
to
work
on
that
and
provide
it.
B
F
Yeah,
this
is
a
bad
hair
day
for
me.
Hearing
this
local
law
jay
is
the
last
of
the
police
reform
that
was
ordered
by
governor
cuomo's.
My
assumption,
I
could
be
thinking
this
wrong.
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
we're
doing
that
stuff
as
as
a
council,
your
their
recommendations
and
reforms
which
they
do
fall
into
the
the
governor's
executive
order.
I
believe
it's
203,
but
it's
it's
in
line
with
it,
it's
in
the
ballpark,
but
we
were
that's
our
what
we're
doing
here.
Well,
it
is
the
reform
it's
separate.
B
I
think-
and
of
course,
we've
been.
Our
efforts
here
have
been
informed
by
the
process.
That's
going
on
the
collaborative
all
the
groups
and
the
report
and
all
of
that
stuff,
but
they're
the
same,
but
at
the
same
time
separate-
and
apart
does
that
makes
sense.
F
Yeah,
but
I'm
just
will
we
run
into
trouble
april
first,
where
he'll
defund
us
if
the
laws
aren't
put
through
and
that's
why
I'm
just
a
little
bit
concerned
I
mean
we
did
the
first
two
reform,
you
know
legislations
they
passed
and
but
this
was
the
last
one
and
it
was
a
key
part
of
it.
So
I
am
kind
of
concerned
you
know:
do
we
push
through.
K
You
know
no
tom,
we
don't
have
to.
I
mean
this
local
law
j
it'll
be
attached,
but
you
know
the
the
governor's
executive
order
says
you
have
to
have
a
plan
right.
So
we
could
say
part
of
our
plan
is
restructuring
our
ctrb,
which,
which
is
what
we're
doing
in
local
lj.
So
on
april,
1st,
if
this
law
doesn't
pass
by,
then
we
can
put
in
that
plan,
restructuring
cpr
b
and
call
it
whatever
giving
it
more
independent
power
to
that.
That
would
be
part
of
the
plan.
B
Right,
but,
but
also
again,
the
the
process
with
the
different
groups
for
the
police
reform
that
produced
those
reports.
That's
got
got
to
be
converted
into
a
plan
or
developed
into
a
plan
this
it
again
it's
a
part
of
it,
but
it's
not-
and
I
know
I
keep
saying
that
so
maybe
it
doesn't
make
so
much
so
much
sense,
but
we're
doing
what
we
can
do
as
a
legislative
body.
We're
not
doing
this
because
we
were
directed
by
the
executive
order,
we're
already
heading
in
this
direction
and
working
on
this
stuff.
B
J
Yeah,
so
my
question
is
given
this
information
about
rochester:
do
we
have
examples
of
other
cities
or
comparable
municipalities
where
they
successfully
implemented
discipline
disciplinary
action
in
a
way
that
wasn't
contradictory.
B
What
I
I'd
like
to
do
is
because
the
cprb
helped
us
out
with
a
lot
of
this
stuff
and
they've
done
some
research
themselves.
Ava.
Would
you
care
to
weigh
in.
L
Sure,
thank
you
so
for
anybody
who
doesn't
know
I'm
in
the
ears,
I'm
the
director
of
the
government
law
center
at
albany
law
school
and
we
manage
the
cprb
I've
also
been.
I
was
the
co-chair
of
the
working
group
on
the
albany
collaborative
that
did
the
section
about
the
cprb,
so
I'm
wearing
sort
of
two
hats
yeah
on
rochester.
No,
as
as,
as
mr
williams
said,
the
rochester
board
is
really
the
first
one
in
the
state
that
has
given
disciplinary
authority
to
a
civilian
police
oversight
board.
L
So
this
is
the
only
example
that
we
have.
I
think
it's
important
to
emphasize
that
the
litigation
in
that
case
is
we're
currently
waiting
for
a
decision
from
the
fourth
department,
the
appellate
division.
We
only
have
a
trial
court
decision.
I
I
saw
the
fourth
department
argument.
My
sense
was
that
they're
likely
to
rule
in
favor
of
the
union
and
against
the
the
cprb,
but
but
my
opinion
isn't
worth
anything.
L
I
was
an
appellate
lawyer
for
nine
years
and
my
prediction
is
worth
garbage,
so
please
don't
I
learned
that
in
those
nine
years
I
do
think
it's
important
to
know
that
the
you
know
the
the
rules
in
that
area.
L
The
issues
in
that
case
are
very
specific
to
rochester
the
basis
for
the
trial
court
decision
is
that
rochester
sort
of
used
to
have
the
power
to
its
its
local
legislature
used
to
have
the
power
to
legislate,
how
police
discipline
is
going
to
work,
but
because
of
the
way
they've
had
their
history
of
local
legislation
and
dealings
with
the
union.
They've
given
it
away,
is
the
supreme
court's
view,
so
in
general?
L
Yes,
you
can
give
it
away,
but
in
rochester
no,
unfortunately,
my
guess
is
we're
not
going
to
get
a
clear
answer
for
what
that
means
for
albany,
even
when
the
rochester.
I
could
be
wrong
about
that,
but
I
think
we
may
not
know-
and
so
so
you
know,
and
and
I'm
happy
to
try
to
to
write
this
up
as
well.
In
my
own
analysis,
in
a
way
that
would
be
helpful
for
people.
The
law
is
incredibly
complicated.
L
What
I
do
think
may
be
helpful
to
know
is
that
in
rochester
they
have
a
law
that
gives
bargaining
power
to
the
excuse
me
that
gives
disciplinary
power
to
the
police
review
board
and
during
the
pendency,
the
litigation
that
provision
of
the
law
is
just
sitting
there
not
used
it's
not
like
they're
going
ahead
and
doing
it
and
violating
people's
possible
union
rights.
L
So
if
speaking
as
the
person
who
currently
administers
the
cprb
as
a
staff
person
there,
if
you
all
approve
a
provision
that
says
the
cprb
has
disciplinary
power,
the
cprp
is
not
going
to
just
start
doing
it.
Despite
the
union
saying
it's
unlawful,
there
will
be
a
process
for
for
working
that
out
and
dealing
with
it,
which
might
include
going
to
the
collective
bargaining
table
right
where
the
city
says.
You
know
we're
going
to
try
to
work
this
out
collaboratively
rather
than
through
through
litigation.
L
So
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
that
was
helpful,
but
but
but
I
guess
the
answer
is
it's
complicated
and,
and
it
certainly
can
be
worked
out.
The
the
other
thought
real
quick
for
if
it's
useful,
just
to
to
speak
to
mr
hoey's
point
about
the
governor's
office
and
the
defunding,
I
was
on
a
conference
call
with
some
folks
from
the
governor's
office
last
week,
where
this
question
came
up
about.
L
Do
we
have
to
pass
legislation
by
april
1st
that
implements
the
reforms,
or
is
it
enough
that
we
have
a
plan
that
sort
of
says
we
intend
to
do
reforms
and
the
governor's
office
was
hesitant
to
answer
that
question.
My
sense
was
they
they
want
to
push
people
to
try
to
implement
things
and
make
change
happen
as
much
as
possible.
L
I
certainly
think
that
if
you
survey
the
different
plans
that
are
out
there
and
the
government
law
center
has
just
put
up
a
page
that
links
to
all
the
existing
plans
which
I'll
send
to
john
raphael,
so
he
can
share
it.
We
just
put
it
up
this
afternoon.
If
you
compare
the
other
plans,
some
of
them
are
much
more
specific,
and
some
of
them
are
much
less
specific
in
terms
of
how
much
real
change
is
happening
right
away.
L
I
certainly
think
albany
has
done
a
really
impressive
job
and
and
just
as
a
footnote
to
that,
you
know
the
cprb
reforms
that
are
in
front
of
you.
All
right
now
emerged
out
of
proposals
from
the
board
itself.
L
The
collaborative
and
the
working
group
had
a
whole
bunch
of
other
proposals
on
top
of
those
which
I
hope
the
hope
the
common
council
will
still
consider,
but
I
certainly
think
all
of
that
adds
up
to
a
pretty
impressive
set
of
accomplishments
compared
to
a
lot
of
other
municipalities.
Do
so
if
the
governor's
office
is
going
to
start
defunding
people,
they
certainly
shouldn't
come
to
albany
first.
That
would
be
my
view.
I
And
if
I
could
just
follow
up
quickly
with
miss
air's
comments,
yeah,
I
think
from
corporation
council's
standpoint.
You
know
we
were
looking
at
the
rochester
litigation
looking
at
the
legislation
they
had,
which
gave
rise
to
that
litigation
and
looking
at
our
own
legislation
and
trying
to
see
what
the
parallels
were,
what
the
parallels,
weren't
and
as
miser
said,
it's
complicated
it's
up
in
the
air
right
now.
You
know
that's
only
a
trial
court
decision
which
wouldn't
technically
be
binding
here
in
albany
county.
I
Frankly,
neither
would
a
fourth
department
decision,
but
it
would
carry
more
weight
so
yeah,
it's
a
little
bit,
wait
and
see,
but
we're
just
trying
to
look
out
at
what
issues
this
legislation
could
be
facing
in
a
courtroom.
If
it
comes
to
that.
I
I
know
that's
the
lawyer
answer,
but
you
know.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
williams.
C
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
a
little
bit
cleaner,
just
leaving
cleaning
this
up,
leaving
it
out
till
rochester
gets
some
sort
of
decision,
because
at
the
same
time
our
unions
don't
have
a
contract
and
when
they
do,
they
will
probably
end
up
wanting
to
negotiate
this
just
food
for
thought.
B
A
Other
chair
of
the
cprb
miss
vivas,
mrs
vivis,.
M
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
add
that,
as
we
know,
as
as
it's
been
stated
in
several
different
ways,
this
is
complicated,
but
but
the
cprb
as
ava
explained,
we
came
up
with
these.
These
proposals,
based
on
what
we
heard
from
the
community,
based
on
what
we
felt
ourselves,
was
right
to
do
and
reimagining
the
the
powers
that
the
cprb
had
we're
not
looking
to
rochester
or
what
happens
in
in
rochester
on
what
needs
to
happen
in
in
albany.
I
I.
M
I
think
it
would
not
be
a
good
thing
to
leave
out
the
discipline
part.
I
think
that
is
is
is
very
important
to
give
the
cprb
teeth
as
we
we
talked
about
in
several
meetings
that
the
public
has
been
calling
for
for
decades
now
so
rochester,
pending
litigation
or
not
the
the
cprb
at
least
like
ava,
said
we
may
need
to
go
to
the
cba
bargaining
table,
or
we
may
need
to
go
above
that
and
go
to
the
state
legislature
and
ask
for
a
repeal
of
the
taylor
law.
M
B
That,
okay
with
that
we're
grounding
out
the
the
first
part
of
the
meeting
where
we,
when
we
discuss
local
law
jay
and
make
a
decision
on
that.
So
members
of
the
committee.
C
B
Okay,
miss
frederick.
J
Yeah,
I'm
in
favor
of
keeping
the
legend
leg,
the
disciplinary
action
in
the
legislation
and
moving
out
of
committee
for
a
vote.
I
do
think
we
could
make
some
of
those
changes
that
judy
discussed
with
jr
after
the
fact,
but
wouldn't
make
changes
after
that.
Second.
B
Second,
okay,
all
those
in
favor
in
the
committee
aye.
K
O
Well,
I've
been
having
issues
with
my
computer
ever
since
they
cut
off
my
power
today.
So
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
on
this
on
this
specific
issue.
We
spoke
about
it
at
the
last
meeting,
we're
speaking
about
it
today.
O
O
We've
spoken
about
all
the
complexities
of
it
as
it
exists,
so
I
think
that's
important
because
we
don't
want
people
to
leave
here,
thinking
that
the
document
is
finalized,
even
though
it
will
be
finalized.
In
fact,
it'll
be
voted
on.
It's
not
finalizing
the
fact
that
not
all
the
provisions
are
100
enforceable
at
this
time.
O
I
think,
as
long
as
we've
done
a
good
job
making
that
clear
to
everybody,
I
feel
comfortable
with
that
and
I
do
think
we
have
done
a
good
job,
because
we
had
this
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
as
well,
and
we've
had
a
good
lending
discussion
about
this
today.
B
Thank
you,
mr
ballerin.
Yes,
it.
It
is
important
that
we
make
that
clear.
We've
been
discussing
those
points,
and
I
think
folks
from
who
are
in
the
room
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
where
there
may
be
sticking
points
and
where
they
may
may
be
issues
and
changes
may
need
to
be
made,
but
we'll
go
back
to
miss
frederick.
Do
you
want
to
go
do
that
again
and
we
can
move
forward.
F
B
Hi,
okay,
so
that
looks
like
it's
unanimous.
Thank
you.
So
it
passes
out
of
committee
with
a
positive
recommendation.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
for
your
input
again.
Just
remember
this
is
a
work
in
progress
and
we'll
keep
you
updated
as
we
move
along.
B
So
with
that,
I
will
shift
now
to
to
the
the
main
part
of
the
of
this.
This
meeting
the
report,
the
collaborative
the
police
reform
collaborative
reports,
we're
we're
gonna,
be
we
received
the
report
from
the
from
the
administration
and
the
chief
last
excuse
me
february
1st
and
we've
been
going
through
it,
and
this
is
basically
our
the
council's
effort
to
take
public
comment
and
and
hear
from
the
community
as
as
well
before
proceeding.
B
We
will
have
another
meeting
on
this
topic.
This
isn't
it.
What
we're
gonna
do
is
have
this
meeting
get
take
some
public
comment.
We
have
a
line,
a
phone
line
where
folks
can
leave
public
comment.
Also
we'll
have
to
get
that
number
up.
B
So
folks
can
see
that
also
so
between
this
meeting
and
the
next
meeting,
you
can
call
in
also
and
we'll
put
that
on
our
facebook
page
also,
and
you
can
call
in
and
leave
public
comment
for
for
the
council
also,
which
will
will
have
a
chance
to
review
and
hear
from
folks
that
way,
also
so
with
that
again
in
keeping
with.
But
you
know
what
you
guys
want
to
take
just
jump
right
into
public
comment
to
get
people
moving
and
hear
from
people
and
not
focus
too
much
on
council
members.
C
I
think
a
lot
of
people
like
to
know
you
know,
what's
going
to
come
out
of
this
95
pages,
there's
a
lot
of
great
suggestions:
okay,
but
we
aren't
going
to
do
it
and
who
is
going
to
put
it
into
what
kind
of
format
saying
this?
Is
our
plan
you're
just
going
to
say
you
know?
Is
it
possible
just
come
out
like
this?
I
don't
you
know.
B
Yeah
and-
and
I
I
would
agree
with
you-
it's
not
a
plan
and
we
we
did
have
a
discussion
earlier
today
with
with
the
mayor
and
her
folks
regarding
crafting
more
of
a
plan
and
with
some
benchmarks
and
budgeting
and
ideas
more
of
a
plan.
Because
again
it's
reported
with
a
bunch
of
great
and
most
excellent
suggestions.
C
C
B
Right
right,
okay,
so
what
I'll
do
is
we'll
just
jump
right
into
the
public
comment?
Now
I
will
call
on
dr
green
to
to
get.
B
Yes,
three
minute
time
limit.
Okay,
I
know
it's
a
it's
a
lot
to
get
through,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
want
to
speak
and
in
order
to
get
to
everyone
we'll
do
that
and
again
this
isn't
the
only
meeting,
and
it's
not
the
only
way
to
get
your
comments
to
us.
You
actually
sent
us
some
letters
and
and
some
stuff
on
on
your
thoughts.
But
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you,
dr
green
you're,.
B
P
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
The
the
center
for
law
and
justice
really
deeply
appreciates
the
work
of
all
the
volunteers
on
the
collaborative
who
contributed
to
making
albany
a
safer
place
to
live
for
all
our
residents
and
we
sincerely
thank
them
for
their
service.
P
However,
although
the
collaborative
members
have
done
everything
asked
of
them
by
the
city,
the
city
has
not
completed
its
responsibility
to
transform
the
recommendations
of
the
collaborative
into
a
plan
that
reinvents
policing
in
albany
and
prior
to
this
meeting,
the
senate
law
and
justice
submitted
extensive
written
commentary
for
the
common
council
to
consider
regarding
the
particularities
of
reports
submitted
by
the
city
today.
In
this
meeting,
we
confine
our
remarks
to
two
very
immediate
and
pressing
concerns,
and
I
think
some
of
you
have
already
noted
it.
First.
P
The
following
statement
appears
on
page
three
of
the
report,
and
I
quote
the
collaborative
asks
the
common
council
to
adopt
our
report
at
the
february
8
2021
meeting
of
the
albany
common
council
public
safety
committee
meeting
end
quote
the
term
adopt
in
that
statement
clearly
indicates
that
the
committee
is
expected
to
vote
on
the
report
today
tonight
on
february,
8.
2021
allowing
insufficient
time
for
the
community
to
react
to
the
report.
P
The
second
thing
and,
more
importantly,
what
has
been
submitted
thus
far,
does
not,
on
its
face
fulfill
the
mandate
of
governor
cuomo's
executive
order.
2003.
the
executive
order.
States
quote
each
local
government
entity,
which
has
a
police
agency,
must
develop
a
plan
for
the
purposes
of
addressing
the
particular
needs
of
the
community.
Served
by
such
police
agency.
P
P
P
I
just
almost
finished
the
center
suggests
that
the
city
staff
assigned
to
each
of
the
collaborators
five
working
groups
be
tasked
with
producing
a
draft
that
transforms
the
collaborative's
recommendations
into
a
plan
with
goals,
objectives,
implementation
strategies,
projected
target
dates,
required
resources
and
a
proposed
budget,
and
once
the
draft
has
been
produced,
collaborative
members
should
be
invited
to
review
and
revise
it
if
they
so
choose.
The
governor's
mandate
requires
albany
to
produce
a
reinvented
policing
plan
for
the
city.
The
public
safety
committee
should
not
vote
on
anything
less.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
comment.
A
All,
right.
I
have
not
received
any
messages
or
raised
the
hand,
but
I
believe
miss
bailey.
You
had
your.
You
would
like
to
speak
next.
Yes,.
G
I'm
a
new
resident
of
albany
since
october
last
year
I
live
in
the
kennedy
and
my
only
comment
is,
as
governor
cuomo
said,
that
you
know
the
area
needs
to
be
safe
in
order
for
economic
recovery.
G
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
don't
feel
safe
living
in
this
area,
especially
like
going
out
at
night
to
go
to
even
to
go
around
north
north
pearl
street.
I
don't
want
to
be
discriminatory,
but
sometimes
when
I
go,
I
walk
to
walgreens
or
north
peru.
Then
I
come
back.
There
is
like
a
homeless
man
sitting
on
van
trump
street,
and
it's
it's
very
scary.
G
So
you
know
it's
like
when
I
leave
the
house.
You
know
I
don't
see
any
homeless
people
and
then,
when
I'm
coming
back,
I
just
see
like
all
these
men
close
to
the
corner
of
north
pearl
and
then
on
tantrum,
and
it's
just
very
scary.
So
I
just
want
to
know
like.
Is
there
anything
like
being
done
to
make
the
place
safer,
especially
after
the
sun
goes
down,
because
so
even
like
now
at
five
o'clock,
six
o'clock,
it's
dark.
G
Okay,
okay:
this
is
my
first
zoom
session,
so
I
don't
know
who
was
to
just
spoke
or
if
I'm
I
don't
have.
I
don't
have
I'm
not
really
with
chats
and
communication,
because
I
don't
real,
I
don't
have
any
friends
or
associates.
G
So
can
you
like
send
me
your
email
or
your
phone
number
michelle.
G
Q
Q
R
Mcgee
good
evening,
it's
greg
mcgee,
I'm
the
president
of
the
albany
police
officers
union
just
to
follow
up
for
the
public
comment
on
regards
to
local
law,
j
and
the
police
reform.
I
know
last
week
we
discussed
about
it.
We
do
understand
that
this
is
a
difficult
time
and
we
are
not
opposed
to
police
reform.
However,
there
are
certain
things
that
do
govern
us,
cba
being
one
of
them.
So
in
regards
to
the
rochester
case,
I
believe
it
was
mr
williams
and
mrs
ayers
touched
on
it.
R
We
believe
in
that
case
that
actually
does
apply
here
to
the
city
of
albany.
So
it's
kind
of
that
section
in
the
local
law
jays.
It
appears
it's
going
to
be
opening
up
the
city
as
well
as
the
union
to
a
lengthy
litigation
battle.
I
believe
that
you
know,
hopefully
we
can,
through
collective
agreement,
discuss
this-
maybe
work
on
it
before
the
implementation.
I
know
last
week
there
was
also
a
question
in
regards
to.
If
this
law
is
enacted,
would
it
in
fact
be
supersede
our
contract,
which
is
not
correct?
R
The
local
law
would
not
supersede
our
contract
in
this
case.
In
regards
to
the
the
sections
in
regards
to
final,
say
and
discipline,
like
I
said,
the
discipline
matrix
that
all
is
very
clear
clearly
outlined
in
our
collective
bargaining
agreement.
R
So
before
we
can
even
get
back
to
the
collective
bargaining
table,
because
we
don't
our
current
contract
governs
us
still,
it
could
be
quite
some
time
before
we
actually
do
get
to
the
point
where
we
could
collectively
bargain
in
regards.
R
Is
that
better?
Yes,
I
think
I
think
so.
I
was
just
saying
that,
in
regards
to
collective
bargaining,
we
are
some
time
off
from
collective
bargaining
because
of
the
pba
decertification
attempt,
so
it
is
unknown
at
this
point.
R
I
do
not
have
a
good
time
frame
of
when
that
could
possibly
be,
but
we
do
believe
that,
through
the
collective
bargaining,
this
would
all
have
to
be
brought
to
the
table
in
regard
especially
some
of
the
issues,
police,
reform,
collaborative
working
groups,
I
think,
like
I
said,
there's
there's
certain
sections
of
our
contract
that
that
are
that
are
governed
and
protect
us,
as
well
as
security
rights,
our
constitutional
rights.
R
S
B
End
yeah
yeah
that
that
that's
fine,
okay.
S
Then
I'll
I'm
gonna
reserve,
I
I'm
curious
as
to
to
comments
from
people
that
weren't
on
the
collaborative.
So
thank
you.
B
Okay,
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
first
the
committee
and
then.
A
F
Yeah
I
was
concerned
and
I'd
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
dialogue
with
dr
green.
You
know
I
felt
bad.
We
had
to
do
a
time
limit,
but
I
want
to
hear
more
what
she
would
like
us
to
do.
Is
she
still
around
or.
F
B
Up
for
now
right-
and
so
we
we
we
we'll,
let
folks
talk
and
then
we
can
go
back
to
that.
But
mr
ho
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
you
you
noticed,
and
we
got
an
email
from
dr
green
with
with
recommendations
or
comments
on
each
section.
For
for
the
the
collaborative
that
that
we
see
we
received
it's,
it's
it's
in
your
email.
F
Yeah,
I
read
it
and
that's
what
I
I'm
wondering:
how
do
we
implement
or
do
we
discuss
it?
I
just
like
to
know
what
we're
gonna
do
about
it,
because
I,
I
am
concerned
that
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
points
she
brought
up
were
legitimate.
G
E
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
almost
in
a
in
a
way
following
up
on
danielle's
comments,
because,
ordinarily,
we
would,
when
we're
considering
something
like
this.
We
would
have
someone
the
person,
maybe.
L
E
Was
the
chair
presenting
the
report
and
recommendations
of
the
collaborative
in
some
reform
to
the
council,
giving
us
an
ability
to
have
some
back
and
forth
with
whoever
was
the
chair
et
cetera
and
then
having
that
discussion?
And
then
you
know
getting
the
public
comment
on
it
and
it
seems
we're
not.
I
don't
know
we're
not
doing
it
that
way,
and
maybe
because
I'm
not
quite
clear
who
the
chair
is
and
every
different
work
group
seems
to
have
a
different
format
in
terms
of
how
they
did
their
report
etcetera.
E
And
I
know
the
report
also
was
kind
of
difficult
to
find
on
the
website
unless
you
knew
where
to
go
and
find
it
because
it's
not
highlighted
up
front
on
the
web
page.
So
if
people
heard
the
collaborators
out
there,
they
go
to
the
city
web
page,
there's
nothing
on
it
and
you
have
to
kind
of
hunt
to
actually
find
the
document.
E
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
you
know:
transparency
issue
there
that
I
think
needs
to
be
corrected
also.
But
you
know
this
kind
of
lends
itself
to
a
section
by
section
of
work
group
by
work,
group
review
and
discussion
as
we
move
forward.
Certainly
that's
not
going
to
happen
tonight
and
so
more.
E
You
know
just
like
laying
out
some
procedural
issues
or
concerns
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
and,
of
course,
the
whole
issue
as
to
how
we
actually
implement
this,
which
is
a
which
are
there
local
laws,
ordinances
resolutions
that
we
need
to
adopt
and
how
does
that
work
as
we
move
forward?
So
there's
a
lot
to
to
discuss.
E
That's
not
clear
right
now
tonight
in
terms
of
how
we
want
to
move
forward
on
this,
but
it
is
probably
one
of
the
most
significant
issues
that's
going
to
be
coming
before
the
council
this
year
or
in
the
entire
term
of
this
council.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
deliberative,
that
we
maximize
the
opportunity
for
public
input
and
comment
and
really
go
through
and
then
also
understand.
How
is
this
going
to
be
implemented?
How
is
it
going
to
be
adopted
first
and
then?
How
is
it
going
to
be
implemented?
E
And
you
know
what
are
the
benchmarks
from
moving
forward
and
that's
a
lot
to
do
between
now
and
april
1,
which
theoretically
is
our
deadline?
Just
observations.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
content.
Just
real
quick!
So
I
I
got
a
suggestion
from
you
to
try
to
pull
the
different
chairs
of
of
each
group,
which
makes
sense
or
leadership
of
the
groups
to
come
and
maybe
talk
to
us
about
their
work.
And
then
we
can
ask
questions
and
then
the
public
can
hear
that
and
we
can.
We
can
go
back
and
forth.
So
we'll
we'll
make
those
arrangements
for
our
our
follow-up
meeting
to
this
one
yeah.
T
Hi
councilmember
conte.
So
when
I
received
your
email
earlier
today,.
T
B
Okay
and
then
also
just
through
discussions
with
mayor
and
her
folks
earlier
today,
the
idea
would
be
for
us
to
because
obviously,
in
order
to
break
this
out
into
different
pieces
of
legislation,
resolutions
laws,
the
thing
is
actually
resolutions
won't
really
get
us
much
because
it's
it's
just
a
feel-good
kind
of
thing.
We
need
ordinances
or
local
laws,
but
the
idea
was
to
try
to
craft
a
plan
based
on
this
and
then
have
us
through
either
resolution
or
ordinance
adopt
the
plan.
B
But
that
has
to
be
put
together
for
us
to
to
do
that
and,
ideally
once
that's
together,
we
could
have
maybe
a
final
discussion
on
adopting
that.
So,
but
we
did,
we
did
talk
about
that
today.
So
back
to
members
speaking.
U
Thank
you.
Well,
I
understand
we're
going
to
be
going
through
the
different
work
groups
and
recommendations,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
up
an
important
omission
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
recommendations
from
from
the
civilian
oversight,
work,
group
and
references
to
the
act
pack
group
and
how
it
how
it
should
function.
U
You
know
because
act
pack
has
been
with
us
for
quite
a
long
time
now,
I'm
you
know
I
was
trying
to
find
the
first
year.
I
think
it's
2015
that
it
was
formed
and
it's
a
you
know.
This
group
really
does
represent
all
parts
of
our
city,
because
each
council
member
is
in
charge
of
designating
an
individual
from
their
ward.
So
we
it
really
it's
a
group
that
reaches
all
parts
of
our
city,
and
so
we
get
and
they're
really.
U
Their
purpose
is
to
ensure
community
policing
remains
strong
here
in
the
city
of
albany,
and
I
my
understanding
is
talking
to
joe
and
jimmy
who
was
the.
I
think
well
he's
the
chair
of
backpack
and
he
was
on
the
civilian
oversight
group
that
they
are
are
really
looking
for.
U
Maybe
additional
support
in
the
way
they
function
and
maybe
even
codifying
their
role,
because,
just
like
the
cprb,
you
know
they're,
they
have
an
important
role,
so
does
act
pack
because
they
do
kind
of
keep
community
policing
at
the
forefront
in
everyone's
mind
and-
and
they
also
make
you
know,
important
recommendations
regarding
policing
and
you
know
different
procedures.
U
So
there's
concern
that
this
important
role
that
akpac
has
needs
more
support
and
how
we
go
about
doing
that
is
is,
is
you
know
something
that
needs
to
be
discussed
further
and
it's
right
now.
It's
missing
that
aspect
is
missing
from
the
recommendations
in
these
civilian
oversight
recommendations.
So
I
don't
know
I'd
like
to
we'd
like
to
see
that
addressed.
K
Kathy,
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
backpack
backpack
is
not
cons,
it's
not
a
constituted
body
by
this
council.
So
when
we're
looking
at
part
of
the
plan
we
could
put
in,
you
know,
we
will
look
at
restructuring
refunction
of
act
pack,
it's
not
a
constituted
body.
So,
as
council
members,
any
council
member
can
start
taking
that
on
and
starting
to
you
know
build
it.
However,
people
feel,
and
that
way.
U
And
I
I
I
do
understand
that
corey
and
I
do
think
that
that
should
actually
be
a
recommendation
that
we
look
at
legislation
with
regards
to
there.
You
go
thank.
A
O
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
dr
green
and
councilman
conte
that
the
definitely
not
ready
to
vote
on
this
today.
I
didn't
come
into
this
meeting.
Thinking
that
we
would
be,
you
know,
it's
a
lengthy
document.
It's
it's!
It's
95
pages,
it's
not
it's
not
as
big
as
this
guy,
but
it's
still
it's
still
something
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
take
our
time
and
going
through
and
going
through
the
sections.
O
I
like
the
idea
of
having
the
sures
come
in
and
maybe
have
a
meeting
just
specifically
on
one
section
per
sections,
so
we
can
have
good
good,
detailed
dialogue
about
those
sections
and
as
well
as
also
have
input
from
residents
about
those
sections,
specifically
those
sections,
so
they
can
give
us
their
detailed
concerns
or
thoughts.
There's
some.
I
haven't
gone
through
the
full
document
before
transparency.
O
You
know
there
are
some
things
that
I
you
know
have
some
questions
on
that
I
like
to
get
clarification
on.
You
know
why
some
of
these
recommendations
were
made
that
you
know
I
don't
100
agree
with.
So
I
think
it
it's
good
for
us
to
bring
these
individuals
in
they
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
and
they've
done
it
in
a
short
period
amount
of
time.
So
you
know
we
definitely
appreciate
all
of
those
efforts,
and
I
think
this
is
the
beginning
of
the
conversation
and
I
look
forward
to
it.
J
Thank
you.
I
also
agree
with
having
the
individuals
come
in
for
each
work
stream
and
present
and
really
have
that
open
dialogue.
What
I'm
still
not
clear
on
is
is
twofold.
J
Who
is
going
to
actually
develop
said
plan?
Is
that
council
responsibility,
or
is
that
individual
leads,
or
is
that
the
mayor's
office
and
kelly?
I
know
we,
you
mentioned
that
a
couple
times,
but
just
wondering
a
little
bit
more
detail
there
about
who's,
actually
doing
that
and
then
two
what
is
actually
due
april
1st,
still
not
clear
to
me
exactly
what
we
need
to
have
on
paper
just
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
lose
any
funding
associated
with
this.
B
Bret,
just
real
quick,
a
plan
I
mean
we,
we,
the
plan
based
on
the
executive
order,
comes
from
both
the
executive
and
and
the
the
police
chief.
So
the
plan
is
gonna,
come
from
them
and
we're
gonna
approve
the
plan.
That's
that's
the
intention.
It's
as
far
as
time.
Remember
it's
a
plan
as
far
as
time.
Actually,
if
we
were
gonna
get
it
by
the
april,
first
deadline,
we'd
have
to
act
on
it,
our
second
meeting
of
march
technically-
and
that's
like
two
weeks
before
april.
B
First,
if
that's
not
feasible,
and
we
have
to
do
a
special
meeting
between-
I
think
it's-
the
15th
or
the
18th
of
march
between
the
end
of
the
month-
we'll
get
we're
going
to
get
it
done.
That's
not
that's
not
an
issue.
It's
just.
We
need
a
plan.
We
need
more
than
just
the
reports
to
make
a
decision.
B
A
You
know,
look
through
and
that
the
executive
has
filed
through
that
the
executive
order
isn't
too
clear
and
exactly
what
they're
looking
for,
but,
as
professor
ayers
has
said,
and
even
myself
with
reaching
out
to
people,
there
really
isn't
much
clarity
on
it,
but
I
will
say
that
the
collaborative
that
our
city
has
done
honestly.
Our
city
is
eons
ahead
of
other
municipalities.
A
In
terms
of
getting
this
done,
I
believe,
troy
our
sister,
our
cities,
next
door
just
actually
announced
their
members
for
their
collaborative,
maybe
a
week
or
two
ago.
So
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up
where,
where
other
people
are.
I
Okay,
just
to
expand
on
that
quickly.
If
I
met
I'll,
read
you
what
the
executive
order
says,
the
plan
should
should
consist
of
it
to
follow
up
on
jr's
point
that
it's
pretty
vague.
It
says
we
have
to
develop
a
plan
to
improve
police
deployments
strategies,
policies,
procedures
and
practices
for
the
purposes
of
addressing
the
particular
needs
of
the
community,
served
by
such
police
agency
and
promote
community
engagement,
to
foster
trust
fairness
and
legitimacy
and
to
address
any
racial
bias
and
disproportionate
policing
of
communities
of
color.
I
That's
pretty
much
the
extent
of
what
the
executive
order
tells
us
our
plan
has
to
consist
of
so
it's
as
jr
said
pretty
open-ended.
H
H
B
B
You
know
requesting
that.
I'm
not
sure
where
it
came
from.
H
I
would
appreciate
knowing
how
that
particular
very
specific
request
came
came
about
because
it
strikes
me
as
odd,
given
the
product
that
we
are
now
looking
at,
and
the
then
expectation
that
there
wouldn't
be
an
opportunity
for
additional
public
input.
So
I
would
really
like
to
understand
more
about
that
background.
H
I'm
struggling
with
with
this
a
lot
of
great
ideas,
great
recommendations,
a
lot
of
thoughtful
dialogue.
Analysis
went
into
this
document.
It
is
a
little
hard.
Different
sections
are
a
little
harder
to
read
than
others
because
of
differences
in
formatting,
and
you
don't
know
in
some
cases
I'm
a
little
unclear
when
it's
a
heading
for
the
discussion
of
the
topic
or
where
it's
a
recommendation
and
a
finding.
H
H
H
How
do
you
address
inequities
in
how
people
are
treated
and
biases
etc?
And
I
think.
H
O
H
In
terms
of
I'm
hoping
that
we
have
a
plan,
I'm
hoping
that
there's
specific
actionable
items
it
doesn't
have
to
be
necessarily
that
all
the
legislation
that
is
needed
is
adopted
is
drafted
and
then
adopted,
but
to
have
a
clear
idea
of
a
timeline
for
when
we
want
to
be
tackling
different
legislation,
who's
responsible
for
drafting
it
and
what
will
be
the
process
for
getting
additional
public
input
on
some
of
that
legislation?
H
D
H
Details
there,
so
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
if
people
could
look
at
those
pages
41
through
44
really
and
be
ready
to
you
know,
provide
people
provide
the
counsel,
I
think
you
know,
via
email,
with
thoughts
about
what
needs
to
be
supplemented
with
regard
to
those
particular
pages.
That
would
be
helpful.
Thank.
H
A
B
I
was
trying
to
find
myself.
I
had
to
switch
screens,
mr
and
jimmy
since
we
missed
you
earlier
when
you
mentioned
you
wanted
to
chime
in
about
act
pack
when
council
member
faye
was
talking.
Let's,
let's
hear
from
you.
N
Okay,
thank
you
first.
I
understand
that
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
that
has
to
be
done
by
both
this
committee
and
the
council
as
a
whole.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
one
of
the
things
that
first
kathy
faye
mentioned
and
then
judy
sean
lead
to.
There
was
the
right.
N
But
I
understand
that
you
know
to
do
a
summary
and
it's
what
the
city
was
trying
to
do.
They
can't
include
all
of
that,
but
when
it
comes
to
making
these
changes
or
making
recommendations
for
changes,
you're
really
going
to
have
to
look
at
each
one
of
the
individual
work
groups
specific
recommendations,
because
they
detail
the
discussions
and
the
input
that
was
received
from
the
community
on
those
issues
and
that's
specifically
in
terms
of
backpack.
N
I
would
like
to
see
some
work
done
on
backpack
in
future,
and
again
I
understand
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
priorities
and
a
lot
of
issues
to
deal
with.
It's
just
we'd
like
to
have
that
as
one
of
the
issues
to
be
considered
again
going
back
to
the
work
groups,
recommendations
in
addition
to
just
the
summary
that
was
put
in
the
front.
That
was
the
clarification
I
wanted
to
make.
Thank
you.
A
V
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
revisit
and
thank
you
to
the
council
members.
I
want
to
revisit
council
councilman
conte
and
also
dr
green's
comment
of
working
with
the
chairs
and
having
the
chairs
of
the
work
groups
come
and
do
a
presentation
and
also
the
I
strongly
support
the
collaborative
chairs
working
with
the
city
of
albany,
to
do
a
logic
model
of
plan
of
action
for
the
plan
and
to
be
able
to
present
that
to
the
common
council.
I
think
that's
very
helpful
we
did
spend.
V
I
think
someone
mentioned
it's
almost
close
to
300
hours
of
work
as
collaborative
members
and
also
chairs.
I
myself
chaired
with
ava
the
civilian
work
group,
and
I
appreciate
councilwoman
judy.
I
don't
quite.
V
Can
I
don't
that
your
last
name
comment
about
backpack
and
the
recommendations
that
were
put
forth
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
also
stayed
focused
on
coming
up
with
a
plan
of
action
and
that
the
collaborative
members
that
have
been
doing
those
two
or
three
hundred
hour
work
members,
especially
chairs,
are
included
into
that
part
of
the
action.
So
that's
my
comment
that
I
want
to
make
and
thank
you.
P
A
A
W
I
also
was
the
chair
of
the
police
functions
working
group
and
I
think
that
the
report
part
of
it-
is
that
that,
because
there
was
a
very,
very
limited
time
to
get
all
of
the
reports
from
all
of
the
different
groups
together,
I
think
that
jasmine
and
brian
did
an
incredible
job
of
trying
to
get
them
into
one
document,
but
it
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
I
think
that
what
just
as
a
practical
suggestion
is
maybe,
instead
of
trying
to
have
six
different
meetings
with
everyone,
perhaps
if
one
or
two
of
the
council
members
could
be
assigned
or
volunteer
to
meet
with
some
of
us
in
you
know,
with
the
individual
group
leaders,
we
could
flesh
out
what
our
recommendations
were
designed
to
do.
W
Perhaps
you
could
help
us
in
terms
of
knowing
do
they
need
a
resolution?
Would
they
need,
and
perhaps
the
the
gentleman
from
corp
council
could
do
the
same
to
say?
Do
we
need
a
new
law?
Do
we
need
a
budget
impact
statement?
Do
we
need
a
resolution?
What
is
it
that
we
did
not
try
to
do
that?
W
What
we
tried
to
do
in
my
group-
and
I
think
that
the
other
working
groups
tried
to
do-
is
to
identify
problem
areas,
identify
potential
solutions
with
respect
to
the
charge
given
by
the
governor
and
by
mayor
sheehan
and
to
work.
Obviously,
with
you
know,
dr
green
was
very
kind
gave
us
gave
us
input.
We
had
other
members
from
the
community,
give
us
input.
W
We
worked
with
some
of
the
other
different
groups
where
we
had
overlap,
and
I
think
that
if
we
had
a,
if
we
had
an
opportunity
to
meet,
you
know
perhaps
outside
of
the
whole
common
council
meeting,
that
that
might
be
a
practical
way
to
both.
Give
you
information
and
give
us
an
opportunity
to
clarify
anything
in
the
report
that
wasn't.
B
B
B
Okay,
any
any
council
members.
S
Okay,
so
I
do
understand
so
I
co-chaired
the
the
sop
working.
R
S
S
We
weren't
actually
like
we
weren't,
creating,
say
anything,
but
we
were
adjusting
what
was
already
there
so
and
I
do
understand
there
are
some
formatting
issues
in
our
section
that
we
can
probably
get
cleaned
up,
but
I
think
that
for
like
our
group
and
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'd
be
very
happy
to
to
do
a
sit
down
with
the
council
and
I
have
to
disagree.
I
do
think
that
it
should
be
done
with
the
whole
group.
That's
interested
in,
like
the
whole
public
safety
committee.
S
S
A
rushed
and
improperly
done
resolution
is,
in
my
opinion,
potentially
worse
than
delaying
a
resolution
to
get
it
done
correctly.
So
I
would
be
you
know,
I'd
be
happy
to
spend
that
time
going
over
the
things
that
are
in
our
report.
I
I
think
that
you
know
it's
it's
a
huge
document.
I
haven't
been
able
to
read
through
the
whole
thing,
so
there's
still
more
that
I
have
to
there's.
You
know,
there's
stuff
that
I
have
concerned
about.
S
S
So
you
know
we
really
need
to
take
some
some
serious
stock
in
the
decisions
that
are
made
so
that
we
don't
just
continue
to
promote
tokenistic
type,
tokenistic
type
committees,
for
you
know,
people
to
sit
on,
but
you
know,
since
it's
not
this,
this
whole
thing
isn't
something
that
needs
to
be
done
by
the
first
of
march.
I
think
that
time
can
be
taken
to
really
figure
out
in
each
group.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
danielle,
but
what
I
think
needs
to
happen
is
when
we
talk
about
plan
and
and
moving
forward.
I
think
miss
shanks
said
your
idea.
I
mean,
while
it
would
get
you
know,
greater
input
and
we'd
understand
as
a
council
better
what
the
group,
the
group's
plan-
it's
just,
not
practical.
B
Just
it's!
It's
not
because
we
you
we're,
saying
and
it'd
probably
be
someone,
that's
a
part
of
the
public
safety
committee
that
would
have
to
meet
with
the
different
groups
to
try
to
get
to
that.
But
what
I,
in
my
opinion,
what
I
think
needs
to
happen,
and
that
was
we
had
a
brief
discussion
with
the
mayor's
folks
earlier
today.
Is
that
the
information
that
is
presented
we
can
all
understand
it.
B
B
I
know
we're
beating
that,
like
a
dead
horse
now
and
to
a
plan
needs
to
be
done
by
the
the
the
administration
and
the
mayors
folks,
they
need
to
take
this,
convert
it
into
workable
solutions
with
timelines
suggestions,
dates
for
implementation,
some
reporting
requirements
and,
and
so
on,
and
so
forth
that
that's
what
needs
to
happen,
because
right
now
we're
having
a
discussion
basically
about
us,
creating
a
plan
when
the
the
work
groups
have
been
working
at
this.
B
For
you
know
for
the
last
couple
of
months,
putting
a
lot
of
time
in
to
this,
we
we
need
a
plan.
We
need
some
ideas
about
how
this
is
gonna,
get
from
this
paper
into
action
in
the
albany
police
department.
B
That's
what
we
need
and
and
as
much
as
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
I'm
sure
all
of
you
do
too,
as
council
members,
we
we,
I
think
we're
gonna,
have
to
respectfully
ask
that
the
mayor
and
her
folks
get
together
and
convert
this
into
something
workable
for
us
to
actually
have
a
discussion
about.
That's
what
makes
the
most
sense
to
me.
So
any
thoughts
on
that
idea.
C
R
C
G
C
B
B
But
the
goal
is
to
is
to
put
the
plan
in
place
saying
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do
by
this
date
and
again
add
some
reporting
requirements
in
there.
For
you
know,
reports
for
with
updates
to
the
the
council
that
type
of
thing,
I
think,
that's
probably
what
would
be
best,
mr
o'shea
and
then
mr
johnson.
H
I
completely
agree
with
you
that
we
need
the
administration
to
put
together
the
plan
for
us,
then
to
be
sharing
with
the
public,
as
required
in
the
certification
that
we're
required
to
sign
per
the
executive
order
we
need
to
it
specifically
says
the
plan
has
been
shared
with
the
public
and
we
don't
have
a
plan
that
we're
sharing
with
the
public
at
this
point
we're
pretty
close,
but
we
don't
have
that
and
with
regard
to
that,
I
I'm
harkening
back
to
the
mayor's
transition
report
transition
report
when
she
took
office
in
which
she
had
a
transition
team
and
essentially
it
took
action
items
and
put
it
in
essentially
immediate,
interim
and
and
long
term.
H
Frankly,
I
think
nothing
should
go
in
the
long
term,
because
I
I
think
that
whatever
is
done,
we
should
be
looking
for
implementation
within
a
year
on
this
and
and
we
and
we
obviously
need
limb
now
for
us
to
be
looking
at
those
kinds
of
things.
So
I
just
want
to
share
with
that
about
the
transition
report
very
specifically
broke
things
down
into
different
time
lines
for
action
items,
and
I
think
you
know
at
the
beginning
of
each
chapter.
D
Yes,
I
just
had
a
a
brief
question.
I
heard
it
mentioned
that
it
was
conversation
with
other
with
troy.
I
think
it
was
mentioned,
but
are
there
any
other
areas
that
are
farther
along
than
us
and
if
so
have
has
there
been
any
conversation
to
see
if
they're
doing
anything
different
than
us,
and
you
know
if
it's
something
that
we
could
do
better
so
that
that's
what
I
would
like
to
know.
L
Thanks
jared,
so
yeah
we've
actually
been.
The
law
school
has
been
collecting
draft
plans,
as
they're
put
up
for
public
comment,
and
I
just
emailed
jr,
so
he
can.
He
can
share
with
all
of
you,
our
web
page,
which
produces
links
to
each
of
the
draft
plans
that
we've
seen
so
far.
I
I
can't
say
I've
had
time
to
go
through
all
them
myself,
we're
also
holding
two
round
tables.
L
The
first
is
tomorrow
evening
at
six,
where
folks
who've
been
involved
in
these
collaborative
processes
from
different
municipalities
can
hopefully
get
together
and
share
experiences
and
ideas
I'll
send
that
information
to
jr
as
well,
and
certainly
any
members
of
the
council
or
the
public
who
are
interested
in
participating
in
those
are,
are
welcome.
My
sense
is
that,
as
folks
were
saying
earlier,
people
are
in
very
different
stages
of
the
process.
L
You
know,
I
think
the
albany
group,
these
recommendations
cover
everything
from
the
budget
to
the
philosophy
to
what's
painted
on
the
side
of
the
police
cars.
I
mean
this
is
an
extremely
far-reaching,
widespread
set
of
recommendations
from
each
of
these
different
committees,
and
you
know,
implementing
legislation
is
going
to
be
a
truly
monumental
task.
So
you
know,
whatever
speaking
both
as
somebody
from
the
law
school
and
as
a
working
group
co-chair
along
with
tundra,
on
the
civilian
oversight
working
group
and
whatever
we
can
do
to
to
be
of
use
to
the
council.
B
Okay
and
so,
and
just
thinking
about
reforms
again,
mr
hoey
was
mentioned
in
local
law
jay
earlier,
and
I
was
saying
it's
separate
and
apart,
but
we
did
a
local
laws
h
I
and
j,
which
were
police
reform
reforms.
So
certainly
that
could
be
a
part
of
the
report
that
we
or
a
part
of
the
plan
that
we
send
to
the
state
regarding
reform.
So
that's
that
that
definitely
should
be
a
part
of
it
because
it
falls
in
that
in
that
area.
B
But
at
this
point
I
I
don't
believe
we
have
further
comment,
so
we're
gonna
schedule
our
next
meeting
a
couple
weeks
out,
we'll
we'll
let
folks
know
I
will
have
a
discussion
with
the
mayor
and
and
her
folks
about
trying
to
put
something
together
for
us
to
actually
discuss.
B
I
think
that'd
be
most
productive
because
the
way
we're
going
about
it,
even
if
we
had
the
time
I
don't
know
that
it'd
be
effective
for
us
to
go
through
with
each
group
and
because,
in
the
end
we're
not
while
we're
accepting
the
plan
and
supporting
the
plan,
it's
it's.
It's
not
necessarily
our
our
plan.
So
that's
where
my
my
head
is
and
my
thoughts
are
on
it.
Oh
excuse.
B
So
if
there
is
no
further
comment.
X
X
X
B
You-
and
I
would
imagine
that
the
copy
that
most
members
have,
because
we
got
some
printed
out
copies-
have
95
pages
correct,
so
we
gotta
update
our
versions
of
that.
I'd
certainly
have
to
do
it.
I
made
a
book
and
I
have
the
95
pager
which
I'll
have
to
update.
So
if
I'm.
B
Yes,
that
would
be
a
good
idea.
Thank
you
for
that
judy.
So
if,
if
no
one
has
anything
further,
I
move
we
adjourn.
P
Can
I
say
one
thing
before
you
leave?
Yes,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
people
that
the
governors
asked
us
to
redesign
and
reinvent
the
policing,
so
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
putting
together
a
bunch
of
recommendations,
but
I
think
people
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
that
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
of
of
that
mandate.
V
B
V
I
don't
I
just
want
to
add
that
with
that
and
and
redesign
it
is
focus
on
communities
of
color,
and
I
just
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we
are
making
sure
that
that
is
the
purpose
of
this.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
B
Right
and
it's
it's
it
and
again,
this
is
this-
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
some
of
this
stuff
is,
is,
you
know
pretty,
I
think,
some
pretty
good
reforms.
I
think
I
would
argue,
having
worked
in
in
law
enforcement
for
many
years,
that
I'd
say
this
is
reforming
and
reimagining
with
some
of
this
stuff
yeah.
P
B
Right,
thank
thank
you
again,
dr
green.
So
I
with
that
I'll
make
the
motion
we
adjourn.
Second,
second:
okay,
all
in
favor,
aye,
hi
good
night
be
safe.