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From YouTube: Monday, January 25, 2021 5:30PM Public Safety Committee
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The Committee reviewed Local Law J of 2020. Local Law J of 2020 enhances the CPRB’s authority and ability to exercise oversight, review, and resolution of community complaints alleging abuse of police authority.
A
C
C
A
A
Okay,
welcome
mr
robinson,
so
excuse
me
just
moving
right
along
what
we'll
do
is
I'll.
Ask
that
mr
conte
just
kind
of
say
a
few
words
about
you,
know
the
legislation
and
then
we'll
move
right
into
the
actual
legislation
and
what
changes
we
made
and
go
through
that,
because
we've
already
had
two
previous
meetings
and
I
think
we're.
We
need
to
move
forward.
F
F
F
There
is
a
revised
draft
that
attempts
to
reflect
the
various
comments
and
suggestions
that
have
come
in
and
also
the
collaborative
recommendations,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
jr
our
research
council
to
to
walk
through
the
proposal
and
to
indicate
the
revisions
or
suggested
revisions
that
have
been
incorporated
in
there
and
j.
I
don't
know
if
we
can.
We
can
put
this
up
on
the
screen
as
you
walk
through
yeah.
C
C
One
thing
that
the
cprb
recommended
is
they
wanted
independent
counsel.
So
in
hearing
that
recommendation,
we
added
here
that
they
could
retain
their
own
counsel
and
then
a
contract
provision
that
anything
over
10
000
would
go
before
the
council
if
it's
not
within
their
budget
and
if
it,
if
there's
not
enough
adequate
funds
on
method,
so
they
can
go
back
before
the
council
going
further
down.
Give
me
one
second.
C
C
C
All
this
was
struck
out
for
newer
language,
so
upon
here,
as
you
can
see,
the
complaints
can
be
may
be
received
directly
by
the
board
or
upon
referral
from
the
office
of
professional
standard.
The
mayor,
the
council,
any
council,
member,
the
city
clerk
or
the
chief
any
complaint
received
and
accepted
by
the
board
shall
be
transmitted
to
ops
and
any
complaint
received
and
accepted
by
ops
shall
be
transmitted
to
the
board.
Complaints
shall
be
filed
within
180
days.
C
C
The
subsection
e
is
when
a
complaint
is
filed
and
the
department
is
in
possession
of
any
audio
or
video
footage
pertaining
to
the
incident
that
all
that
information
be
turned
over
so
wider
swath
further
in
it
343.
I
redid,
revised
completely
and
struck
out
from
review
of
complaints
and
put
powers
and
duties.
Majority
of
the
section
was
stricken
for
for
cleaner
purposes
and
going
here
this.
C
E
is
accessibilities
that
the
board
shall
provide
language
access
for
limited
or
non-english
proficient
complaints
and
witnesses
at
all
stages
of
the
investigation
and
adjudicative
process.
The
the
board
shall
provide
reasonable
accommodations
in
accordance
with
federal
and
state
law
to
individuals
with
disability
at
all
stages,
including
to
asl
services,
interpreter
and
auxiliary
services.
C
G
C
In
is
in
possession
that
they
be
transmitted
completely
to
the
board
subsection
five,
that
one
police
officer
holding
the
rank
of
captain
or
higher
shall
be
made
available
by
the
chief
to
the
board
at
the
board's
request
to
serve
as
consultant
or
advisor.
Should
questions
arrive
from
the
members
of
the
board
regarding
specific
police
practices,
policies
or
general
order?
The
office
of
shine
shall
neither
be
from
ops
nor
the
commanding
officer
of
the
officers
involved
in
the
case
being
reviewed.
C
C
This
right
here
stops
the
it
tells
the
teeth
to
take
no
action
on
a
complaint,
whether
received
directly
by
apd
or
by
the
board,
until
receipt
of
the
board's
findings
and
decisions
or
notice
that
the
board
has
determined.
No
disciplinary
action
is
appropriate,
but
nonetheless
the
chief
still
retains
authority
to
suspend
any
apd
officers
during
the
investigation
and
adjudication
of
a
complaint
against
an
apd
officer
and
then,
furthermore,
any
information
that
the
chief
discusses
in
public
or
what
the
media
must
be
made
available
to
the
to
the
board.
F
B
F
B
B
What
is
the
next
step?
So
if
the
police
department,
for
example,
didn't
comply
with
a
data
request,
what
is
the
penalty
in
doing
so
and
not
so
penalty,
but
like?
What's
the?
What
is
there
to
make
sure
that
we
really?
We
really
make
it
clear
like
we
want
the
data
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up
and
don't
know
if
we
want
to
brainstorm
any
additional
changes
there.
If
we
have
any
additional
comments
on
that
already.
A
Right
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
if,
if
folks
have
you
know
thoughts
on
the
matter,
we
can
we
can
adjust
it
accordingly.
I
I
vta
right
recently
in
the
news
I,
the
city
actually
paid
a
cost
or
a
penalty.
First,
yes,
we're
not
complying.
So
I
would
argue
that
that
that
that
is
a
problem
and
it
needs
to
be
complied
with.
So
I
think
your
your
question
is-
and
I
can't
I
can't
see
any
comments
on
facebook
is,
is
what
happens
if
they
don't
comply?
Is
there
any
repercussion
or.
B
H
File
there,
in
addition
to
what
would
happen
yeah
well,
the
cprb
is
not
the
the
information
gathering
spot
and
I
think,
with
the
collaboration,
I
think,
the
collaboration
group.
There
was
another
group
dealing
with
the
policies
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
think
we
should
see
what
their
recommendation
are
is
because
this
is
a
separate
recommendation
group.
I
C
J
C
K
Okay,
it's
okay
to
speak
now,
yep,
okay,
yeah
notice!
This.
I
understand
why
you
couldn't
see
me.
I
I
know
there's
been
some
hesitation
with
you
know
the
fact
that
this
has
taken
some
time,
but
I
do
think
it
has
been
able
to
put
in
a
lot
of
thoughts
and
ideas
that
came
from
the
community
through
these
meetings,
and
I
think
that
is
beneficial.
K
M
K
J
J
O
Thank
you
kelly.
I,
this
is
a
very
impressive
piece
of
legislation.
I
know
I've
been
on
the
council
for
many
years
now,
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
cprb
having
subpoena
power
for
many
many
years.
You
know
much
more
teeth
in
order
to
take
a
look
at
these
problem
situations,
so
I
really
commend
the
work
everyone
has
done.
I
was
curious
to
know
how
you
decided
on
the
amount
of
funding.
O
F
A
F
Yeah
there
are
some,
and
actually
I
think
I
was
on
a
I
think.
Jr
was
on
a
webinar
this
afternoon
that
the
law
school
was
doing
and
I
think
in
new
york
city.
If
I
heard
correctly,
their
budget
is
0.65
of
the
police
department
budget,
but
there
are
some.
The
idea
was
to
to
provide
at
least
a
floor
and
to
provide
a
guaranteed
amount
that
wasn't
subject
to
you
know
any
kind
of
politics
or
you
know,
manipulation
or
whatever.
F
F
F
The
some
of
the
provisions
really
won't
be
available.
For
example,
funding
is
not
going
to
be
available
necessarily
right
away,
but
there
are
provisions
that
probably
should
be
effective
immediately
and
there
are
other
provisions
that
might
make
more
sense
to
target
a
january
one
effective
date,
giving
time
to
work
on
implementation
and
other
things
that
need
to
be
done
so
that
you're
ready
to
hit
the
ground
running
fully
on
on
january
1..
But
that's
just
another
issue
to
think
about
in
terms
of
there
are
different
parts
here.
What
can
happen
immediately?
F
H
I
just
I
want
to
follow
up.
You
know
just
richard's
statement.
Also
with
you
know,
people
talked
about,
they
wanted
to
independent
cprb,
and
this
legislation
starts
that
process,
and
so,
when
richard
brought
up
they're
going
to
have
to
come
up
their
own
budget
they're
going
to
have
to
come
up
with
what
what
they,
what
they
need
and
what
they
need
to
pay
for.
So
it
doesn't
become
what
people
have
been
saying.
It's
an
independent
body.
H
The
council
is
just
we're,
passing
a
law
to
create
it,
we're
providing
some
funding
for
it.
But
once-
and
you
know,
as
richard
said-
we'll
try
to
figure
out
those
dates
when
things
get
active,
but
it
will
be
on
them
to
create
whatever
type
of
board
they're
going
to
create
whatever
type
of
work
it's
going
to
be
on
them,
it
it
will
be
independent,
and
so
those
are
things
that
I
really
want
people
to
really
get
the
gist
of,
and
not
look
towards
the
council
as
what
the
council
is
going
to
do.
H
N
Sorry
I
couldn't
figure
out
it
wasn't
giving
me
the
option
to
raise
my
hand,
so
I
apologize
for
that
and
I
also
apologize.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
at
this
until
just
a
short
time
ago,
but
looking
at
section
42,
3
34,
the
new
edition's
there
with
regard
to
the
corporation
council's
office,
shall
advise
and
represent
the
board,
as
it
would
any
other
public
boards
in
accordance
with
the
law
department's
duties.
You
know
that's
that
language,
I
think,
is
probably
fine.
N
N
N
N
Somebody
else
mentioned
with
regard
to
the
audit
provision,
how
that
would
be
done.
You
know
the
language
is
fairly
vague.
It
just
says
the
board
may
by
majority
vote,
perform
an
audit
or
direct
that
an
audit
be
performed,
I'm
particularly
thinking
with
regard
to
the
board
performing
its
own
audit.
How
that
would
be
done.
N
N
N
You
know
just
specificity
there
as
well,
who
who
should
make
that
referral
to
the
complainant?
Will
that
be
the
board
itself
for
the
board?
The
you
know,
somebody
on
law,
school
staff,
just
trying
to
spell
these
things
out
subsection
d
regarding
the
cpr
be
having
full
access
to
information
about
any
officer.
N
N
N
The
board
shall
have
the
power
to
conduct
independent
investigations
as
necessary.
I
assume
that
provision
is
meant
to
be
broad
on
purpose,
but
it
doesn't
say
how
the
board
should
go
about.
Initiating
investigations
doesn't
mention.
You
know
if
a
majority
vote
is
needed
or
you
know
or
give
any
specifics
as
to
how
that
would
take
place.
N
Subsection
b
regarding
the
disciplinary
matrix,
the
board
shall
establish
a
disciplinary
matrix
in
conjunction
with
the
chief
of
the
albany
police
department.
The
subsection
doesn't
really
say
what
the
disciplinary
matrix
would
do
or
who
it
would
affect,
or
how
it
would
be
integrated,
vis-a-vis.
The
disciplinary
procedures
that
are
already
in
place
because
of
the
police
unions-
and
you
know
it
may
be
an
aspirational
sort
of
thing
and
that's
fine.
I
just
wanted
to
you
know-
make
sure
that
we
try
to
define
its
purpose.
I
suppose.
N
Subsection
e,
with
regard
to
accessibility,
the
board
shall
provide
language
access
for
limited
or
non
non-english,
proficient
complaints
and
witnesses
at
all
stages
of
the
investigations.
That's
great
that's
a
noble
goal,
and
just
you
know,
how
would
that
happen?
Who,
on
the
board
would
make
that
happen?
N
N
And
then
subsection
g6
a
complainant
may
at
any
time
decline
to
have
their
complaint
investigated
and
reviewed
by
the
board
such
declination
shall
be
made
in
writing.
I
guess
my
question
would
be
what
happens
if
the
complainant
does
decline,
to
have
the
complaint
investigated?
Does
that
cease
the
cprv's
investigation
and
procedure,
or
is
the
cpr
be
allowed
to
carry
on
without
the
complainant?
N
A
D
D
Is
it
the
police
department's
compliance
with
the
cprb
specific
legislation,
so
just
things
to
think
about,
as
you
are
building
out
that
language
on
the
audit
and
also
being
mindful
of
the
language?
So,
for
example,
there
was,
I
think,
in
one
of
the
sentences,
it
says
something
like
may,
which
is
passive,
and
so
it
is
not
definitive
and
so
depending
on
who
is
in
the
decision-making
seat
at
the
time
can
say:
oh
well,
it
says,
may
so
we're
not
going
to
do
this
so
just
being
conscious
of
the
language
used.
D
One
of
the
biggest
complaints
that
I
received
from
the
apd
racial
bias
audit
was
the
cost,
and
so
what
I
underestimated
coming
in
as
chief
city
auditors,
how
much
audits
actually
cost
they
are
very
expensive
and
sometimes
can
range.
You
six
figures,
and
so
I
just
caution
you
all
as
you're
thinking
about
your
budget
to
factor
that
in
because
these
audits
are
very
expensive.
We
pay
eighty
thousand
dollars
for
our
racial
bias.
D
The
other
question
slash
comment.
I
don't
know
if
I
may
have
missed
this,
but
some
information
that
the
body
may
want
to
also
solicit
from
the
whether
it's
it
may
be.
Corp
council
is
the
lawsuit
data,
and
that
was
something
that
we
pulled
for
the
apd
racial
bias.
Audit
is
looking
at
lawsuits
filed
against
the
city
due
to
interactions
between
police
and
residents
and
oftentimes.
Folks.
D
D
A
P
P
P
If
you
look,
our
contract
governs
our
disciplinary
process
and
how
discipline
is
is
divvied
out
to
an
officer
so
you're,
looking
at
if
you're
talking
about
a
disciplinary
matrix
in
the
contract,
that's
completely
contradictory
to
what
we're
the
language
we
have
now,
so
that
would
all
be
subject
to
negotiations
and
based
on
our
what
legal
counsel
is
telling
us
from
counseling
too.
Obviously
we
cannot
negotiate
our
contract
until
our
union
issues
are
resolved.
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
throw
a
little
wrench
into
things
for
the
cprb.
P
For
that
language,
for
subpoena
power
and
final,
say
and
discipline,
also
in
terms
of
subpoena
power
officers,
are
entitled
to
their
constitutional
rights
and
guaranty
rights,
an
officer
cannot
be
compelled
to
testify
and
incriminate
himself
under
his
guarantee,
so
that
that
also
raises
some
questions
in
regards
to
a
cprb
member
or
cpr,
be
subpoenaing
an
officer
you
know,
and
obviously
we're
governed
under.
You
know,
you're,
looking
at
union
representation
that
you
know
at
a
cprb
meeting
or
cpr
questioning,
so
we
we've.
P
A
Yeah
so,
mr
mcgee,
what
I
would
say
to
that
is
we
we're
the
legislative
body
of
the
city
here,
so
we'll
put
together
the
legislation
and
in
the
end,
obviously
you
all
have
rights,
and
this
can't
supersede
any
of
that
it'll
be
governed
by
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
so
this
will
be
in
place
and
then,
when
you
all
get
together
with
the
administration
to
work
through
those
issues,
that's
where
most
of
the
stuff.
I
think
that
you're
talking
about
right
now
will
be
dealt
with
it'll
either
work
or
it
won't.
P
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
know,
I
don't
who
knows
what
our
timeline
is
for
collective
bargaining,
but
we
do
have
you
know
these
employees.
You
know
there
are
unionized
employees
who
also
have
rights
that
just
can't
be
trampled
on
at
this
point,
but,
like
I
said
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
long
council
kimbrough,
I
don't
have
a
timeline
for
how
long
our
negotiations
will.
Probably
you
know,
be
off
from
just
to
give
everyone.
You
know
kind
of
a
heads
up.
A
A
Q
Okay,
so
lauren
manning
my
address
is
eight
tyler
trice,
terrace
albany,
new
york,
12207.,
I'm
a
like
long
resident
of
the
city
of
albany
and
just
some
questions.
They
were
kind
of
addressed,
but
not
my
issues.
So
in
that
subsection
h,
where
you
guys
are
talking
about
ten
thousand
dollars
to
retain
council,
would
that
be
per
incident
or
total.
Q
Okay,
so
that
procedure
would
be
going
back
to
the
council.
Is
there
a
process
to
do
that
like
not
having
to
wait
to
the
next
council
meeting,
I'm
just
thinking
about?
Would
that
create
a
barrier
and
why
that
number
how'd?
You
come
up
why
ten
thousand
like,
if
they
have
a
budget
and
they're
independent
shouldn't,
they
be
able
to
decide
what
they
spend
their
budget
on
like.
Why
would
they
have
to
go
back
to
the
council
as
long
as
they're
utilizing
their
budget
that
was
given,
and
not
that
I
need
to
answer
right
now?
Q
Q
Q
Q
I
don't
think
we'd
want
to
wait
till
the
board
took
action
if
it
was
that
egregious
and
that
she
felt
somebody
should
be
terminated
and
then
I
just
sort
of
have.
This
is
a
real
question.
I
would
like
an
answer
to
now,
if
possible.
After
listening
to
mr
mcgee
talk
about
rights
and
contracts-
and
I
understand
we
don't
want
to
trample
their
rights,
but
as
a
community
member,
our
rights
are
currently
being
trampled.
Q
Q
O
A
No
problem,
and
so
and
and
and
there's
some
tweaks
and
some
fine
tuning
that
needs
to
be
done
so
in
relation
to
the
ten
thousand
dollars.
I
would
imagine
that
if
the
cprb
is
is
kind
of
laying
out
their
budget
and
adopting
an
annual
budget
that
would
fall
within
there,
and
maybe
we
could
even
get
away
from
that
that
limitation
and
let
them
allow
them
to
work
it
out.
However,
they
see
fit
as
a
part
of
that
independence.
M
Thanks
so
much
and
I'll
try
to
stay
within
three
minutes
just
to
to.
I
think
people
have
raised
some
great
comments
and-
and
I
also
just
want
to
say
this-
looks
like
a
great
job
drafting
some
very
complicated
stuff
and
thinking
it
through
in
a
very
short
time.
So
I
think
kudos
to
everybody
involved
with
that
as
to
that
that
last
question
about
the
authority
of
a
contract
versus
local
legislation
for
whatever
it's
worth.
M
That's
not
a
simple
question
to
answer
at
all:
it's
currently
being
litigated
in
rochester
and
my
guess,
is
it's
going
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
court
of
appeals
for
a
decision
about
whether
a
city
council
can
effectively
override
a
collective
bargaining
agreement.
There
are
at
least
three
different
sets
of
state
laws
that
affect
the
answer.
To
that,
I'm
happy
to
talk
anybody
through
them
in
detail,
but
that's
a
tough
question.
Sorry,
my
dog
is
excited
by
our
meeting
in
terms
of
the
I.
M
Clarify
something
ms
manning
said:
the
cprb
hasn't
yet
decided
what
it's
going
to
do
in
terms
of
identifying
the
officer
or
not.
There
was
a
lot
of
issues
percolating
with
the
collaborative
that
the
cprb
wanted
to
resolve
before
it
figured
out
its
view
on
whether
to
name
officers
in
its
public
meetings,
and
that
issue
is
still
on
the
agenda
for
the
future.
M
I
I
do
think
that
if
I
can
go
through
just
a
couple
of
the
specific
provisions-
and
I
can
provide
these
later-
but
sorry-
the
right
with
corporation
sorry
yeti-
please
sorry,
the
the
corporation
council
and
the
representation
of
the
board-
I
I
share
the
sense.
It
would
be
useful
to
have
more
more
clarification
on
when
the
government
law
center
is
supposed
to
be
providing
legal
advice
and
one
corporation
council
is
supposed
to
be
I'm
providing
legal
advice,
and
so
who
decides
to
switch
off?
M
The
I
I
I
share
dr
desire
for
more
clarity
on
what
kind
of
audit
we're
talking
about,
because
yeah
I
mean
if,
if
we're
talking
about
a
500
and
something
thousand
dollar
budget,
that
might
go
for
one
comprehensive
audit
or
it
might
be
a
whole
bunch
of
them,
it
would
be.
I
think
it's
useful
to
define
the
scope
there
and
then,
in
terms
of
subpoena
power
and
particularly
discipline,
the
giving
the
the
cprb
the
power
to
discipline.
M
M
The
finally
just
a
couple
of
more
thoughts
right
if
a
complainant
declines
to
have
their
complaint
investigated.
I
know
from
from
commander
bachuelo
saying
this
all
the
time.
If
the
internal
affairs
unit
thinks
that
some
officer
has
done
something
wrong,
they
investigated
whether
there's
a
complainant
asking
them
to
do
that
or
not,
and
so
with.
It's
not
clear
to
me
what
effect
withdrawing
the
complaint
I
mean
if
the
complaint
points
you
at
misconduct.
Does
that
mean
you
close
your
eyes
to
it
once
they
come?
M
You
know,
hopefully,
that's
not
what
it
means,
but
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
challenging
thing
to
work
out
the
other
thing-
and
this
is
my
maybe
my
biggest
substantive
point-
to
raise
the
provision
on
on
page
9
of
the
pdf
subsection
8,
where
it
says
the
chief
shall
take
no
action
on
a
complaint
until
receipt
of
the
board
findings
and
decision.
I'm
echoing
what
ms
manning
said,
you
know.
M
M
I
know
the
center
for
law
and
justice,
for
example,
has
suggested
creating
a
department
of
public
safety
that
would
include
both
the
police
as
one
branch,
an
unarmed
response
to
situations
where
that's
appropriate
as
an
entirely
separate
branch
of
this
department
of
public
safety
and-
and
I
hope
that
whatever
action,
the
common
council
takes
on
this
legislation,
that
it
will
remain
open
to
revisiting
it
in
light
of
the
the
further
recommendations
that
are
that
are
coming
from
the
collaborative.
So
thank
you
all
very
much.
R
Yes,
hi,
it's
sergeant
jim
lewis,
from
the
albany
police
department,
and
I
am
president
of
the
albany
police
supervisors
union
not
to
take
a
whole
lot
of
time.
I
just
want
to
mirror
officer
greg
and
gee's
comments
in
reference
to
the
cba,
as
well
as
the
importance
of
garrity
when
it
comes
to
subpoenaing
testimony
from
from
officers.
R
I
know
the
there's
issues
with
the
the
police
unions
and
being
able
to
negotiate
with
them.
We
do
have
a
active
contract
right
now.
As
you
know,
that
goes
to
the
end
of
2022.,
so
without
really
harping
on
all
that,
I
just
wanted
to
mirror
what
officer
mcgree
mcgee
said,
because
our
contracts,
especially
reference
to
discipline,
mirror
each
other
in
reference
to
that.
A
Thank
you
for
for
that
sarge
and
again
I'll.
Just
reiterate
that
again,
this
legislation
is
not
designed
to
take
away
anyone's
rights.
I
mean
there's
still
a
process
beyond
this
process
that
has
to
play
out
to
to
put
this
this
in
effect
and
and
the
contract
spells
out
things
that
will
have
to
be
considered,
and
maybe
you
all
in
the
administration
will
hash
out
as
we
move
forward
to
to
come
up
with
something
that's
acceptable
to
to
everyone.
At
least
that's
my
hope.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
council,
to
the
committee
and
to
the
staff
for
working
on
this
legislation.
As
it's
been
said,
there's
been
several
meetings
about
this
and,
as
promised,
you
all
took
into
account
the
letters
from
the
cprb
and
our
views
and
and
the
voices
of
the
community
and
putting
together
this
legislation
ava.
Thank
you
for
addressing
the
issue
of
whether
the
legislation
would
override
the
the
contract.
I
think
that's
important
too.
G
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
didn't
see
from
our
letters.
I
did
not
see
the
disciplinary
power
addressed
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
final
changes
that
will
be
made
or
if,
if
there's
subsequent
changes
to
come,
but
I
do
think
that
that
is
an
important
piece
in
making
the
cpr
be
a
truly
independent
board.
G
I
think
it's
it's
it's
great.
What
what
you
all
have
come
up
with
thus
far,
but
I
would
encourage
that
extra
piece
to
be
added
as
well,
and
if,
if
I
miss
that
in
the
legislation,
if
it's
there,
please
forgive
me,
I
didn't
have
too
much
time
to
go
over
it.
But
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
that
be
added
as
well.
Thank.
F
C
A
J
J
Coming
up
on
nairobi's
question,
I
don't
know
if
I'm
working
the
latest
copy,
it
was
a
copy
that
went
to
the
that
we
got
at
the
last
meeting
or
has
that
been
changed?
I'm
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
independent
disciplinary
authority
that
was
in
the
cprb
letter
of
suggestions
was
that
is
that
in
it
or.
J
J
Michelle
can
maybe
send
that
to
me
again
mike
my
concern
is.
I
do
have
concern
about
disciplinary
authority
to
me
dependent
suggestions.
I
have
no
problems
with
but
being
able
to
dispense
it
and
make
a
stand
to
me.
That's
like
being
a
judging
jury,
all
in
one.
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
that's
the
proper
way.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
J
A
J
S
I
appreciate
it
councilman
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
always
add.
I've
maintained
my
position
since
day,
one
that
I
think
it's
the
department's
best
interest
to
reserve
comment
on
agreeing
or
disagreeing
with
the
proposals
that
were
set
forth
by
the
board.
As
most
of
you
known,
I've
been
you
know,
intimately
involved
with
this
with
the
boris
since
day,
one
back
in
the
early
summer,
late
spring
also
very
familiar
with
it,
but
I
will
just
echo
on
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
here
tonight
by
everybody.
S
S
It's
also
the
balance
in
my
office
to
ensure
that
you
know
that
trust
is
maintained
between
the
community
and
the
police
department
by
also
ensuring
that
our
employees
are
doing
everything,
that's
expected
of
them
in
the
proper
manner
and
according
to
policy.
So
you
know
with
that
said.
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
it
and
I
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
A
L
L
So
you
know
how
do
you
move
forward
on
both
sides?
Like
you
know
when,
when
I
listened
to
the
the
gentleman's
last
comments,
he
said
that
you
know
they
have
to
ensure
the
community's
rights
isn't
violated
as
well
as
the
officers
and
that's
a
that's
a
tough
spot
to
be
in.
You
know,
because
you
may
agree
wholeheartedly
with
what
the
community
is
saying,
but
as
a
officer
you
have
to,
you
know,
hold
the
hold
the
team
down.
You
know.
L
So
it's
not
it's
a
it's
an
uneasy
conversation,
because
you
know
many
of
us
that
are
on
this
council
that
sit
on
this
council.
We
advocate
for
apd,
you
know
when
advocated
advocation
is
needed,
but
you
know
it's
tough.
When
you
have
to
have
this
conversation
and
have
it,
you
know
be
heartfelt
because
we're
speaking
not
only
some
of
us
from
personal
experience
but
other
people's
prior
experiences,
so
I'm
just
always
taken
back
and
it
makes
me
you
know
when
I
come
to
meetings
to
have
this
real
conversation.
L
You
know
I'm
hoping
that
when
you
hear
law
enforcement
speak
they
understand
that
you
know
we're
at
a
place
where
we
have
to
have
this
conversation
because
people
are
calling
for
it
and-
and
you
know
once
again
not
to
feel
attacked.
But
you
know
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward,
we
have
to
have
these
difficult
conversations,
and
so
you
know
once
again
in
order
for
us
to
have
these
conversations.
L
You
know
the
people
that
are
representing
apd,
we
don't
always
have
to
take
the
position
of
you
know
reiterating
the
things
that
we
already
know.
We
don't
have
the
authority
over
police
officers,
because
if
we
did,
we
wouldn't
be
in,
we
wouldn't
need
to
have
this
type
of
conversation.
So
I
I
feel
a
need
to
say
that,
because
I
have
been
affected,
you
know
personally
and
as
a
a
person
that
has
a
chance
to
you
know
advocate
for
our
family
members
and
friends
that
have
been
in
that
situation.
L
L
A
Oh
jeez,
thank
you,
mr
johnson.
I
keep
doing
that
mute
thing
talking
talking
while
muted,
so
I
I
think
we're
in
a
good
place
we're
moving
this
along,
so
I
would
think
that
just
the
adjustments
that
we
talked
about
tonight
may
may
be
what's
needed
to
move
forward.
So
my
question
is
what
members
want
to
make.
You
know
work
on
those
changes,
come
back
and
meet
again
or
maybe
move
it
out
and
take
care
of
the
changes
and
revisions
as
we
go
along
this.
A
I
E
Okay
hi,
I
just
I
was
going
to
echo
tom
in
regards
to
this-
is
a
legislation
piece
they're
new
members,
as
I
hear
brother
derek
speak
about
really
for
me,
is
accountability
so
we're
creating
a
document
and
we're
trying
to
move
a
legislation
piece,
so
it
really
needs
to
be
as
finished
as
possible
right.
So
just
because
we've
just
made
some
tweaks
very
often,
people
think
tweaks
can
mean
that
it's
a
changing
of
a
verb
which
can
also
impact
kind
of
the
process
and
or
that
department
being
accountable.
E
A
A
B
B
So
at
this
at
this
point,
I
think
there's
definitely
some
amendments
we
can
make
as
discussed
today,
to
definitely
strengthen
legislation,
I'm
honestly
in
between,
if
we
should
push
out
now
or
hold
off,
make
adjustments
and
vote
later.
So
if
it's
appropriate,
I
would
like
to
just
get
the
opinion
of
the
newly
elected
cprb
chair
to
see
what
her
thoughts
are
about,
refining
this
legislation
in
the
process.
G
Thank
you.
I,
this
has
been
a
lengthy
process
and
I,
I
think,
a
worthwhile
process,
but
if
it
is
possible
to
move
it
out
today
and
make
the
the
changes
going
forward,
I
think
the
cprb
and
the
community
is
anxious
to
start
reimagining
what
our
board
may
be,
and
we
have
faith
that
the
the
the
changes
could
be
made
after
the
vote.
G
T
If
I
could
comment
as
well
as
a
member
of
the
cprb,
I
agree
that
I
would
hope
that
the
safety
committee
could
move
this
out
if
possible
and
make
the
changes
as
they
go
forward,
no
matter
what
changes
are
put
into.
This
is
probably
going
to
end
up
being
potentially
some
litigation.
There
may
be
potentially
lobbying
with
the
new
york
state
legislature
regarding
changes
in
state
law,
which
is
actually
convenient
for
us,
as
opposed
to
the
city
of
rochester,
who
is
litigating,
who
are
litigating?
Who
is
litigating
this
now?
T
The
legislature
is
located
right
here
in
albany
and
they're
they're
close
to
us,
so
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
to
move
it
forward.
I
can
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that
everyone's
done
on
this
thing,
and
it's
definitely
being
done
in
good
faith,
to
try
to
try
to
preserve
well
to
create
more
of
more
trust
between
the
city
and
its
police
department,
and
it's
just
a
a
very
good
goal
for
both
the
safety
of
the
citizens
and
the
safety
of
the
police
and
the
whole
process
going
forward.
I
thank
you
folks,.
R
Yes,
sorry
just
a
quick
follow-up
question.
I
know
I
tell
you
and
agree
that
there
are
some
issues
that
would
have
to
be
taken
up
with
the
cba
at
the
time
of
negotiations
in
reference
to
this.
If,
if
this
were
to
pass
either
tonight
or
if
you
guys
decide
to
come
back
with
a
a
further
edited
draft,
when
would
this
all
these
changes
be
implemented?
Do
they
get
implemented
immediately,
or
is
this
something
that
would
be
implemented
after
a
current
cba
is,
is
agreed
upon.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Sarge.
Some
parts
can
be
implemented
immediately
and
some
parts
obviously
have
to
be
put
off
until
there's
a
discussion
in
bargaining.
There's
some
budgetary
issues
where
there's
some
budget
to
do
some
of
the
stuff
that
is
outlined
in
this
right
now,
so
we'll
probably
have
to
some
other
stuff,
would
have
to
wait
until
the
next
budget
year.
But
mr
conte,
you
wanna.
F
So
that's
something
in
terms
of
might
not
be
in
place
until
january
1,
but
opportunity,
because
there
are
issues
involved
in
putting
together
a
budget
that
the
cprb
members
need
to
start
talking
about
now.
But
you
know
we
would.
This
would
give
them
a
working
number
to
work
with
and
to
put
together
a
budget
prior
to
the
end
of
the
year.
That
would
be
available.
F
K
K
I
don't
want
us
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we're
going
back,
trying
to
clean
up
three
years
later
and
that's
my
fear
with
pushing
it
forward
just
to
push
it
forward
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
address
some
of
the
issues
have
been
brought
up
today
that
I
think
we
should
look
at.
I
think
we
have
a
better
document
than
we
did
a
month
ago.
K
K
L
Okay,
so
I
would
just
like
to
say
I
heard
loud
and
clear:
the
chair
say
that
she
wanted
to
move
forward
with
this
along
with
working
to
address
the
concerns
brought
up.
I
think
a
lot
of
discussion
has
been
put
into
this
document.
I
think
that
you
know
I
can't
speak
to
the
usdo,
but
you
have
members
present
that
are
all
willing
to
work
towards
cleaning
it
up
so
that
we
can
vote
on
this
and
we
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
document.
L
It's
time
you
know
for
it
to
come
out
and
do
what
it's
gonna
do.
Everybody
at
the
table
was
willing
to
work
on
it.
I
see
no
reason
for
it
to
to
prolong
it.
When
you
know
we
got
everybody
in
agreement.
That
is
there's
more
changes
to
make.
So
if
it
was,
it
would
be
different
if
people
weren't
in
agreement
that
changes
need
to
be
made.
L
K
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
I
respect
the
show.
I
respect
the
time
the
board
has
put
into
this.
There's
no
question.
I
I
I
respect
that,
but
I
just
am
showing
I'm
I'm
giving
a
little
of
my
experience
of
what
has
happened
or
what
I
have
learned
can
happen
when
you
you
don't
clean
it
up
before
it
goes
forward.
K
F
I
C
A
K
A
A
I'm
inclined
to
at
this
point
hold
off
because
timeline
wise,
the
18th
or
february
or
two
weeks
later
again
we
can
get
those
those
changes
made
come
back
at
the
february
8th
meeting
pass.
It
that'll
be
a
very
brief
discussion
at
that
february,
8th
public
safety
meeting
to
move
it
along
then
it'll
it'll
age
in
its
final
form
prior
to
us
passing
it.
So
I
I'm
at
this
point
for
just
holding
off
just
based
on
the
response
that
I
got.
A
It
looks
like
there's
only
two
people
in
the
committee
that
want
to
move
forward
with
it
at
this
point
it
it
it's
neither
again
it's
it's
coming,
it's
gonna
happen
and
that
a
couple
of
weeks
isn't
going
to
make
a
difference.
Let's,
let's
do
it
right.
So
at
this
point
the
plan
is
work
on
the
language.
Come
back
february,
8th
along
with
the
other
business,
we
have
to
take
care
of
the
public
safety
meeting.
L
A
So,
what
that's,
what
we're
gonna
do
again,
the
the
format
and
the
content
that
we
spoke
of
tonight.
That's
in
there.
Everyone
can
look
at
that.
That's
in
there
that's
not
going
anywhere.
It's
not
changing
or
being
withdrawn.
That's
where
we're
at
we're,
adding
the
language
and
changing
stuff
based
on
some
of
the
comments
and
that's
going
to
be
the
final
forum
and
we'll
move
forward
with
it
on
our
meeting
at
the
eighth,
we'll
get
the
changes
made
and
get
it
out
in
advance
to
folks.
A
B
Yeah
just
to
add
to
that
kelly,
I
think
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
potential
adjustments
here
and
it
came
from
various
angles
and
most
of
which
sounded,
like
you
know,
very
legitimate
changes
that
we
should
be
making
to
the
legislation.
So
if
everyone
can
send
in
those
comments
as
soon
as
possible,
I
think
the
way
this
timeline
works
is
it's
going
to
perfectly
age
right
on.
The
8th
is
that
yeah.
N
B
If
we
don't
pass
on
the
8th,
then
we're
pushing
out
even
further
than
the
2
week
period,
so
I'm
really
hoping
that
we
go
in
at
the
eighth
meeting.
Personally,
I
would
have
preferred
it
to
go
out
today,
but
committee
voted.
So
I'm
really
hoping
we
can
come.
The
eighth
meeting
pass
this
out
and
then
move
forward
with
that.
Passing
on
the
march
meeting.