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From YouTube: Monday, November 30, 2020 5:30PM Public Safety Committee
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The Committee interviewed candidates for the Community Police Review Board (CPRB).
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A
A
Oh
anyway,
welcome
to
the
monday
november
30th
meeting
of
the
alban
albany
common
council's
public
safety
committee,
we're
meeting
this
evening
to
discuss
or
interview
applicants
for
the
albany
community
police
review
board
for
the
record
committee.
Members
present
are
alfredo
ballerin
and
thomas
along
with
council
member
county,
our
staff
j.r
pechardo,
michelle
andre
and
danielle
gillespie
along
with
a
resident.
I
hear
mr
solon.
How
are
you
doing?
Gene
sullivan
is
with
us
also.
A
Mr
robinson,
also
from
the
council,
is
also
joined,
so
we
got
a
few
minutes
before
the
the
the
first
interview
was
at
5
45,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
to
the
existing
members
who
are
not
existing
members
of
the
cprb
that
are
not
present,
which
I
thought
they
would
be
by
now.
Anyone
have,
and
actually
so
with
the
the
term
that
we're
trying
to
fill
was
filled
by
mr
warren
hamilton
it'll.
A
A
A
I
I
know
I
think
at
this
point
miss
vivez
may
be
the
youngest
person
on
the
board.
I
think
there's
it's
pretty
diverse
at
this
point.
When
you
look
at
the
ward
breakdown,
at
least
for
the
applicants
we
have,
we
have
a
few
from
they're
kind
of
all
over
this
seventh
ward,
there's
two
seventh
ward,
two
sixth
words
in
the
twelfth
word
applicant.
A
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C
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C
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C
D
Okay,
so
I
was
just
making
an
observation
of
the
of
the
five
candidates,
even
though
you
have
three
different
wards.
If
you
look
at
the
neighborhoods
actually,
those
from
the
sixth
and
the
seventh
basically
are
the
same
kind
of
neighborhoods,
because
they're
all
like
this,
they
come
from
the
hudson
park.
Center
square
area
so
like
as
I'm
saying
ward,
is
not
always
a
good
indicator
of
geographic
diversity
or
representation.
A
D
Awards
aren't
necessarily
a
good
indicator
because
they
don't
necessarily
coincide
with
neighborhood
areas
and
so
as
an
example
of
the
five
candidates
tonight,
even
though
you
have
three
different
or
four
different
or
whatever
three
different
awards,
six
and
seven,
the
six
and
seven
those
neighborhoods
are
basically
the
same.
They
all
they're
they're
in
the
hudson
park,
center
square
area,
so
they're
they're
from
they're.
Basically,
four
of
the
candidates
come
from
roughly
the
same
area,
even
though
you
might
see
two
different
wards.
There.
C
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G
Well,
I
think
I
think,
that's
kind
of
I
think
it's
broad,
but
I'll
say
that
I
think
that
the
first
thing
that
we
look
for
is
a
community
member
who's
interested
who's
engaged
in
the
community
and
who
does
have
a
a
desire
for
better
community
relationships
across
the
board.
So
I
think
that
that's
the
one
thing
you
can
come
from.
You
know
from
every
practice
that
we
could
think
of.
A
A
Yes,
so,
and,
and
and
just
and
with
all
the
conversation
around
police
reforms
and
we've
been
talking
about
reform
in
this
tprb,
I
mean
any
thoughts
that
you
two
care
to
add.
We
I'm
trying
to
kill
time.
We
got
five
minutes
before
our
our
our
first
candidate
comes
on,
so
we're
just
kind
of
free-flowing
here,
but
yeah
you,
you
guys,
sent
us
two
letters
with
your
your
suggestions
in
them
and
and
we're
inserting
those
into
legislation
and
moving
forward
with
that,
but
again
we're
going
into
uncharted
territory.
H
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
to
say
that
I
agree
and
the
current
board
that
we
have
now
we're.
Definitely
I'm
looking
forward
to
have
more
diversity
of
thought
and
membership.
We
have
a
great
board
right
now,
but
tonight's
candidates
will
definitely
help
hopeful
that
we'll
have
someone
with
a
different
lens
because
we're
not
all
meant
to
be
on
the
sport
to
think
the
same.
It's
about
having
a
different
skill
set
and
individuals
from
the
community
which
driven
that
which
really
drove
the
letter
that
was
sent.
H
Then
in
our
chair
of
the
bylaws
committee.
He
definitely
spearheaded
and
it
was
a
collaboration,
but
more
than
anything,
our
voice
is
that
of
the
community,
and
so
it's
really
up
to
us
and
anybody
who
comes
onto
the
board
to
be
those
voices
of
the
community
in
a
collaborative
way.
So
I
just
wanna-
I
just
wanna-
be
clear
about
that
and
just
say
thank
you
again
for
allowing
us
into
that
discussion,
because
it's
been
a
long
time.
A
G
Well,
not
too
vanilla
to
the
doctor.
Vanilla's
point
I
do.
I
agree
too.
I
think
that
at
this
point,
where
we
are
right
now,
I
think
that
the
conversations
that
the
board
has
had
in
the
past
are
the
conversations
that
all
the
other
organizations
are
having
now.
So
this
is
the
time
for
us
with
the
applicants
that
have
the
folks
that
have
applied
as
applicants.
G
A
Mr
hamilton
is
the
member
that's
stepping
off
yeah
of
the
board
right
now
and
I
did
some
mentoring
at
hackett
middle
school
with
him
for
a
while
there
and
I
reached
out
to
him
prior
to
him
joining
the
board
and
saying
hey.
We
could
really
use
you.
He
stepped
up
and
really
contributed
in
a
big
way
and
in
all
the
conversations
and
discussions
that
bring
kind
of
bring
you
know
the
cprb
to
where
they
are
now
so
he'll
he'll
be
missed.
A
C
I
A
Yeah
we
don't,
we
don't
have
the
list
of
set
of
questions
but
yeah,
that's
the
same
format,
kind
of
open
it
up.
Let
the
the
candidate
explain
why
he
or
she
wants
to
participate
and
wants
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
then
we'll
go
committee.
Members
first
asking
questions,
and
then
council
members
after
that
that
are
present.
A
J
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
your
interest
and
and
wanting
to
be
a
part
of
the
cprb
they've.
They
carry
a
heavy
load
and
have
a
huge
task
based
on
where
we
are
in
this
country
and
in
the
world
today.
So
so
I
appreciate
you
for
for
stepping
up
and
wanting
to
be
a
part
of
this.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we'll
give
you
an
opportunity
to
kind
of.
A
Let
us
know
why
you're
interested
you
know
kind
of
explain
to
us
about
yourself
and
tell
us
why
you're
interested
on
being
a
part
of
this,
and
then
after
that,
we'll
go
around
with
around
the
questions
from
committee
members.
Then
council,
members,
okay,
so
four
is
open
to
you
a
couple
of
minutes
and
actually
time
time
frame.
Michelle
we've
got
these
spaced
out
15.
I
I
K
All
right
so
good
evening,
first
and
foremost,
thank
you
everybody
for
your
time.
I
genuinely
appreciate
that
not
just
for
myself.
Just
for
you
know
what
you
guys
do.
You
know
you
could
be
anywhere
in
the
world,
but
you
choose
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
you
choose
to
get
involved.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
genuinely
respect
that,
for
those
who
don't
know,
my
name
is
paul
collins
hackett,
I'm
born
and
raised
in
the
city
of
albany
I've
kind
of
dedicated
my
life
to
helping
people.
K
So
from
my
nonprofits
to
my
nine
to
five
to
my
board
memberships,
to
my
volunteer
efforts
to
my
work
with
other
young
people,
I've
really
just
dedicated
myself
to
the
city
of
albany.
I
want
to
do
anything
I
can
to
improve
quality
of
life
relationships.
Anything
like
that
in
particular.
This
makes
sense
for
me
because
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
change.
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
moving
things
forward.
I'd
rather
not
sit
on
the
bench
and
kind
of
watch
things
go
by.
I
want
to
be
involved
in
them.
K
It
also
goes
in
conjunction
with
my
position
with
the
lead
program.
You
know,
the
idea
is
that
you
know
I'm
not
anti-cop
nobody's
anti-cop
stuff,
like
that.
I
have
cops
that
I'd
love
to
death
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
community
understands
that
that
we
have
a
good
working
relationship
between
the
department
and
the
community
itself,
and
I
just
think
additional
oversight.
This
transparency
me
being
able
to
have
this
position
would
go
a
long
way
to
that,
where
I
could
kind
of
push
for
that
kind
of
make
those
things
happen.
K
K
Yeah
so
squad
squad,
the
lead
program
is
law
enforcement,
assisted
diversion
program
and
that's
an
effort
with
apd
to
divert
arrests
from
non-violent
offenses
people
who
don't
have
to
get
arrested.
We
can
push
them
into
treatment
or
offer
them
treatment.
It's
a
better
option.
Again
it
just
kind
of
addresses
the
disparity,
the
racial
disparity
in
arrests.
You
know
substance
abuse
as
a
public
health
awareness
thing,
those
kind
of
things.
K
So
with
that
program,
I'm
involved
with
the
community
leadership
team,
which
is
we're
part
of
a
group
of
several
community
members
who
just
kind
of
provide
oversight
with
lead
program.
We
review
arrest
data.
We
talk
to
other
community
members
about
what
the
lead
program
is.
We
try
to
get
people
involved,
get
people
aware
of
what
the
program
is
that
kind
of
thing,
so
it
kind
of
goes
hand
in
hand
with
those
efforts.
K
One
thing:
I'm
not,
I
guess
my
one
thing
would
be
communicating
to
the
community.
I
feel
like
the
cprv
has
existed
in
various
forms
and
iterations
over
the
years.
It's
gone
through
changes
inside
this
that
the
third
I
as
someone
who's,
relatively
active
with
things
haven't,
heard
a
lot
about
it.
I'm
not
really
sure
exactly
what's
going
on
so
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
make
sure
is
that
the
community
kind
of
knows
what's
going
on,
know
where
things
stand
know
what
our
efforts
are,
or
you
know,
wins
losses
whatever.
K
Just
that
kind
of
thing
you
know,
it'll
have
people
feeling
engaged
and
it
really
that
level
of
transparency,
I
think,
will
help
repair
the
relationship,
so
that
kind
of
thing
just
bringing
the
community
involved
more
into
the
process.
So
I
guess
that's
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
would
you
know,
try
and
make
happen.
L
K
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
fully
believe
in
making
time
for
what's
important,
so
I
juggle
a
lot
and
that's
that's
just
how
my
life
is
and
what
I
the
way
I
do
that
is.
I
manage
my
time.
You
know
I'm
insane
with
post-its
and
I'm
insane
with
reminders
and
colorful
calendar
invites
and
stuff
like
that
and
in
that
way
I'll
plan
for
it.
You
know.
Thank
you.
K
L
M
So
thank
you
for
taking
your
time
to
meet
with
us
today
and
thank
you
for
what
you
do
in
our
city,
and
we
want
us
to
to
put
yourself
out
there
to
volunteer
on
on
this
board.
One
question
I
had
the
before
you
came
on
the
conversation
we
were
having
with
members
who
are
on
the
ball
currently
was
the
different
perspectives
that
individuals
bring
to
the
board
and
different
viewpoints.
K
K
You
know
I
don't
dress
professional,
so
my
interactions
with
law
enforcement
are
most
times
less
formal
than
you
know
they
would
be
if
I
was
you
know,
presented
otherwise,
so
there's
a
very
grass
roots
level
kind
of
perspective
there,
and
then
I
think,
on
top
of
that,
my
my
role
with
the
city,
my
previous
role
with
the
city
and
all
my
different
interactions
with
the
police.
It
gives
me
a
different
relationship
that
I
I
like
to
think
that
they
understand,
I'm
not
like
against
them,
and
it's
not.
You
know
this.
K
This
weird
thing
that
it's
genuinely
a
working
relationship
we're
trying
to
move
forward,
so
I
think,
having
those
relationships
having
worked
with
them
in
different
capacities,
combined
with
my
kind
of
grass
roots
on
a
street
level
thing.
I
think
those
two
things
make
for
a
somewhat
unique
perspective.
A
K
Well,
I've:
it's
been
my
experience
that
people
are
people.
You
know
that
cops
are
people
like
anyone
else,
so
I've
met
some
cops
that
are
people
and
they're
jerks.
They
were
mean
to
me
for
no
reason
and
I'm
like
come
on
man.
Why
would
you
do
that?
I'm
batman
come
on,
don't
do
that,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I
have
other
officers
that
I
know
and
are
genuinely
good
people.
So
I
know
that
you
know
it's.
Not
all
officers
are
x,
y
and
z.
K
That's
simply
not
the
case,
so
my
perspective
has
been
varied
enough.
I
also
worked
in
substance
abuse
for
several
years,
so
I
had
different
interactions
with
law
enforcement
at
that
time,
that
was,
from
a
provider's
perspective,
so
from
citizen
to
provider
to
kind
of
working
with
them
collaboratively
on
different
engagements.
K
I
A
G
They
do
have
specific
hours.
I
think
it's
about
8
30
to
4
30,
something
in
that
range,
and
so
what
we
usually
do
is
we
contact
the
lieutenant
prior
to
wanting
to
in
order.
Excuse
me
to
set
up
the
appointment.
We
we
call
up
or
reach
out
to
the
lieutenant,
and
he
lets
us
know
that
the
times
that
we
requested
oops,
sorry
my
power
just
blinked,
then
he
gets
back.
They
get
back
to
us
to
advise
that.
K
D
D
K
I've
seen
the
cprb
I've
I've
been
to
some
meetings
in
the
past,
like
that,
so
I
I
have
watched
what's
going
on
and
whatnot
last
time
I
went
in
this,
maybe
some
time
ago
it
was
over
at
the
gwu.
I
know
they've
had
their
various
issues
over
there
now,
but
it
was
over
there.
So
I
have
attended
some
meetings.
K
D
K
J
All
right
well,
thank
you,
batman
for
your
interest
in
this
position.
You
know
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
city
of
albany.
I
know
you
wearing
many
hats
and
formerly
working
with
the
city
of
albany.
I
really
appreciate
everything
that
you
did
for
the
city.
My
question
is
more
so
on
the
topic
of
accountability.
J
Right
over
the
past
couple
of
years
in
the
city
of
albany,
we
have
witnessed
you
know,
instances
where
you
know
people
have
looked
at
law
enforcement,
that's
not
being
held
accountable.
You
have
cases
like
dante
ivy,
you
have
cases
like
eliza
williams,
and
then
you
have
another
case
just
more
recently
of
officer
humpt,
who
said
that
african
americans
are
the
worst
race
here
in
the
city
of
albany
or
just
in
general.
My
question
is
in
light
of
the
developments
these
past
several
months.
J
K
That's
a
that's
a
great
question.
I
really
I
appreciate
that
you
know
that's
a
genuinely
trying
to
move
forward
kind
of
question.
I
I
genuinely
appreciate
what
the
common
council
has
done,
especially
in
light
of
the
most
recent
officer
who
said
stupid
things.
You
know
the
the
council
was
really
quick
with
that.
You
know:
let's
get
this
guy
out
of
here;
that's
not
okay,
you
know,
and
I
think
a
tone
was
definitely
set.
So
I
appreciate
that.
I
appreciate
the
responsiveness
how
quick
that
was
from
the
common
council.
K
I
appreciate
that
it
wasn't
a
middle-of-the-road
stance.
You
know
it
was
really
no.
This
is
not
okay.
So,
in
all
honesty,
I'd
like
to
see
that
continue.
You
know
if
we
have
a
common
council
who
was
that
on
top
of
things,
who
was
that
aware,
when
something
happens
the
next
day
or
two
there's
a
response
and
they're
pushing
for
the
right
thing?
Well,
I'm!
Okay
with
that,
you
know.
That's
that's
really
what
we
want,
and
this
summer
I've
seen
a
lot
of
people
from
the
common
council.
K
K
So
I
really
appreciate
the
council's
efforts
as
a
whole
and
I
think
if
they
stay
on
this
track
of,
you
know
immediately
accountability.
You
know
immediate
responses,
immediate
transparency
as
to
where
you
stand
and
what
your
efforts
are
going
to
be
moving
forward.
Then
the
public
we
know
from
our
elected
officials
all
right,
they're
going
to
hold
us
down.
You
know
they're
going
to
hold
the
line
they're
going
to
make
sure
that
this
storm
is
set.
So
as
long
as
that
continues
to
be
consistent,
I'm
good
man,
you
know
I'll
help
out
with
cprb.
J
Also,
my
last
question
is
mr
hamilton,
who
was
a
former
board
member
for
the
cprb
in
his
resignation
letter
he
articulated
something
that
you
know.
Sometimes
I
have
some
frustration
with
with
city
government.
Is
that
there's
no
sense
of
urgency
when
it
comes
to
anything
or
just
in
general?
As
always,
everything
could
be
kicked
down
the
road
or
we
could
do
something
next
year
or
we
could
do
something
the
following
year:
there's
no
sense
of
urgency.
J
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
if
you
have
an
idea
that
you
believe
that
you
know
the
council
is
dragging
their
feet
or
your
board
members
is
dragging
their
feet.
Please
do
not
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
us
and
also,
how
would
you
deal
with
something
like
that?
If
something
that
you're
passionate
about
is
moving
slow?
I
know
many
of
my
counsel,
colleagues
think
that
I
won
everything
yesterday,
which
that
is
true.
How
would
you
handle
that
when
something
that
you're
passionate
about
is
moving
too
slow
for
you.
K
It'll
be
two
things:
on
the
one
hand,
my
first
thing
would
be
you
know:
does
anybody
else
feel
this
way?
Am
I
bugging?
Am
I
the
only
one
you
know?
Am
I
being
overly
aggressive,
you
know,
am
I
being
impatient,
that's
very
possible,
you
know,
and
I
kind
of
take
toll
with
everybody,
see
how
everybody
felt,
but
if
it's
something
I
definitely
felt
strongly
enough
about.
My
efforts
are
to
build
you
know.
So
if
people
aren't
on
the
same
page,
I
find
other
people
who
are
on
the
same
page.
K
A
A
Thank
you
for
those,
mr
nani,
those
questions
and
youtube
batman
for
your
responses
being
mindful
of
the
time
we're
at
the
end
here
any
questions
or
comments
for
us
or
there's
one
or
two
cprb
members
here.
But
you,
if
you
want
to
ask
a
question
you
can
you
don't
have
to?
But
you
know
if
you
had
something.
K
G
Thanks
michelle,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
batman
for
giving
us
your
time.
Most
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
board,
because
I
think
that
as
you're
saying
you're
out
in
the
community-
and
you
understand
that
without
the
board
being
you
know
a
bigger
presence
and
taking
on
very
important
issues
that
we
all
face
here,
that
nothing
will
change.
So
I
really
appreciate
your
interest,
your
your
expertise
and
taking
the
time
with
us
this
evening.
A
A
F
A
I
E
F
F
B
F
M
J
O
C
F
F
I
O
C
A
O
O
O
E
O
C
O
O
O
C
L
O
M
O
M
If,
oh,
I
know
we're
looking
to,
I
know
we're
looking
to
to
make
some
changes
to
this
board
and
to
give
it
some
more
strength
to
it.
You
know
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
my
my
question
is
more
about
what
what
viewpoint,
what
different
experiences
do
you
have
that
you'll
be
bringing
to
the
board
that
may
that
we
may
not
have
on
the
board
at
this
time.
O
I
G
Well,
what
we
find
is
that
it
doesn't
because
of
the
different
committees
etc
right,
it
depends
on
how
many
committees
you're
on
it
depends
on
what
the
case
load
is
too,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
a
few
hours
a
week.
We
we
meet
once
a
month-
and
I
wanted
to
thank
you,
mr
hatta,
for
haddock
for
joining
us
and
wanting
to
be
on
the
board,
we're
all
community
members
that
have
since
we
volunteer.
G
We
have
other
interests
as
well,
so
it's
a
few
hours
a
week
and
we
meet
once
a
month.
Committees
meet
throughout
the
month
at
different
times,
so
based
on
different
issues
that
we
have
going
on.
But
the
main
thing
is
that
to
be
able
to
review
the
cases
we
have
to
go
into
the
albany
police
department.
So
that's
that
was
the
question,
because
it's
specific
hours
that
we
have
the
access
and
that
we
are
only
able
to
review
the
information
in
the
police
department.
It
can't
ever
come
out
of
the
office.
G
So
that
was
that's
the
that's
our
that's
our
way
of
doing
our
oversight.
I
also
wanted
to
say
to
you
that
so
the
hours
are
not
overwhelming,
unless,
of
course,
it
depends
again
on
the
caseload,
the
information
pertaining
to
the
case
and
what
other
committees
you're
on.
But
what
I
wanted
to
say
to
you,
mr
haddock,
is
that
your
investigation
skills
are
probably
something
that
are
going
to.
G
That
would
be
very
useful
at
for
the
board,
because,
as
we've
been
talking
about
this
this
time
that
we're
in
we
have
the
cprb
is
looking
to
expand
its
its
duties
and
its
tasks.
So
any
of
any
perspective
that
you
could
bring
on
investigation
and
review
would
be
very
helpful.
So
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
with
us
today.
Does.
G
J
Yes,
first,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
interest
in
applying
for
this
position.
I
want
to
echo
what
the
cprb
chair
said.
You
know
as
it
relates
to
having
that
investigatory
background.
I
think
is
really
key,
and
you
know
just
wanna.
You
know
commend
you
for
wanting
to
put
your
hat
forward.
My
question
is
more
so,
with
accountability.
J
Then
we
have
a
another
incident:
eleazar
williams,
individual,
who
was
accused
of
having
a
gun,
was
running
away
from
police
officers,
was
shot
in
the
back
and
now
is
paralyzed
and
then
more
recently
we
just
had
an
incident
where
albany
police
officer
called
the
african-american
community,
a
huge
segment
of
our
population,
the
worst
race.
My
question
is:
what
can
the
common
council
do
to
enable
you
or
cprb
to
hold
albany
police
accountable.
O
O
O
O
Everyone
should
be
in
their
limit
if
there
is
sir,
if
you
have
time
I
have,
I
have
one
one
real
story:
if
you
have
time
it
will
take
only
two
minutes:
okay.
Okay,
I'm
sorry
for
that.
When
I
was
last
student,
my
professor
told
me
that
story
that
one
person
was
going
on
foot
path
on
the
road
and
he
was
waving
a
stick
like
this.
O
O
O
A
O
E
B
M
M
M
A
L
A
A
Right
yeah,
oh,
I
know
you
don't
want
to
do
when
you
need
to
be
on
it's
something
that
when,
when
you,
when
you
log
out,
if
it
prompts
you,
you
should
do
it,
but
I
wouldn't
monkey
around
with
trying
to
do
it
leading
to
into
a
meeting
I
died.
I
tried
that
one
time
and-
and
it
was
a
really
bad
meeting
for
me
at
least,
but.
D
L
C
I
A
L
B
J
Miss
ivy
hi
how
you
doing
good
yourself,
good
good.
You
know
I
read
the
former
board
member
mr
hamilton's
resignation
letter
and
I
was
just
do
you
have
any
response
to
you
know
his
comments
as
it
relates
to
the
sense
of
urgency
or
things
moving
too
slow
for
him
to
be
on
the
board.
Is
there
anything
that
you
like
to
share.
G
I
oh,
I
personally
always
think
that
we
can
move
much
faster
and
do
things
much
more
urgent,
so
I
did
share
warren's
impatience
regarding
that
the
thing
is,
and
he
was
a
vic,
and
I
really
we
did
really
did
when
warren
came
on
the
board.
It
was
really
really
it
energized
us,
because
warren
had
a
really
good
focus
on
what
about
police
reform
and
how
he
wanted
to
do
good
work
in
the
community.
So
that
was
a
benefit
for
us.
G
I
personally
feel
like
we
can
always
move
faster,
but
I
don't
put
that
in
the
work
that
we're
doing,
because
we've
been
at
this
a
really
long
time
for
a
lot.
You
know
a
long
time,
so
I
don't
get
to
the
point
where
I
think
that,
because
we're
not
moving
we're
not
making
progress,
let
me
just
say
that
so
yes,
I
share
the
sense
of
urgency,
but
I
don't
speak
on
it,
because
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
everyday
work.
G
So
yes,
so
yes,
I
share
it.
Just
don't
speak
on
it
and
again
what,
as
I
said,
mr
hamilton
was
a
good
good,
was
a
great
board
member
and
I'm
just
sorry
that
we
couldn't
keep
him
on
the
board
with
us,
because
I
felt
like
he
really.
He
wanted
to
make
change.
He
wanted
change
to
go
into
effect.
He
really
did
so
that's
my
that's
my
take
on
that.
H
So
for
common
council.
I
think
that
you
would
understand
that
perspective
and
lens
that
policy
doesn't
move
quickly.
So
if
it's
something
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
could
do
better
to
help,
the
community
understand
is
that
for
one
change
does
take
time
and
much
of
our
role,
which
is
varied,
but
a
bigger
role
where
we
want
to
see
is
some
policy
changes
and
those
things
have
to
go
through
several
chains
of
commands,
starting
sometimes
with
you,
the
common
council,
which
is
how
we
got
here.
H
So
I
echo
with
miss
ivy,
said
that
warren
was
a
great
board
member.
He
came
in
with
new
and
fresh
ideas,
but
we
most
of
us
share
that
frustration
about
things.
Taking
far
too
much
time.
However,
having
been
on
the
board
now
for
some
time,
I
I
also
have
to
understand
now
that
I
better
understand
my
my
role
and
how
things
work,
that
that
change
takes
time.
A
P
A
P
Well,
it
happened
my
interest
in
both
this
board
and
the
board.
The
violence,
protection
prevention
task
force
grew
out
of
events
this
summer,
I'm
almost
a
lifelong
albanian,
I'm
75
years
old.
I
consider
albany
a
pretty
wonderful
city
to
be
in
and
as
events
unfolded,
not
only
in
our
city
but
across
the
country.
This
summer
I
began
to
think
how
can
I
be
of
use?
P
How
can
I
bring
any
experience
that
I've
developed
over
my
lifetime,
both
professionally
and
personally,
to
to
a
service
to
some
kind
of
public
service,
so
that
was
the
prompt
and
I
sent
in
the
application.
I
mentioned
my
parents,
both
of
whom
were
very
involved
in
community
work.
My
father
was
a
minister
at
first
presbyterian
church
for
34
years
on
state
willett
street
and
richard
you
know.
You
knew
my
dad
and
my
late
mother
also
was
very
involved
in
many
activities:
civil
rights
activities
working
down
at
the
port,
all
sorts
of
volunteer
groups.
P
C
P
E
P
G
E
G
F
G
P
Well,
so,
back
to
ms
frederick's
question:
there's
a
certain
lack
of
awareness
on
my
part
of
the
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
the
albany
community,
except
what
I
read
in
the
newspaper,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
would
have
to
start
that
I
would
say
I
know
about
the
tensions.
I
know
about
the
the
violence
in
albany
that
has
probably
prompted
responses
that
may
be
terribly
over
the
top.
P
So
I
I
guess
I
would
say
I
don't
bring
any
expertise.
I
believe
I'm
a
listener.
I
believe
I'm
able
to
talk
with
people
who
are
interested
in
the
same
kinds
of
problem
solving
and
given
information,
and
I
I
think
I'd
be
able
to
express
myself
clearly
and
come
to
consensus
if
consensus
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
nine-person
board.
L
Hi
paul,
thank
you
again
for
for
coming
and
spending
time
with
us
tonight
and
I'm
gonna
talk
about
time,
because
time
is
the
most
valuable
asset.
Any
of
us
have
this.
This
position
on
this
on
this
board
will
take
time,
and
I
know
you
said
you're
retired,
so
you
probably
do
have
some
time,
but
during
the
the
time
that's
going
to
be
needed
is
during
the
day
between
8
30
and
4
30.
L
G
Sure,
currently
we're
we're
virtual
we've
been
virtual,
since
I
think
around
march,
but
we
traditionally
we
held
public
meetings
in
in
a
specific
location,
sometimes
at
on
henry
johnson
boulevard,
sometimes
at
the
center
for
law
and
justice.
So
we'd
move
around
when
we
had
our
in-person
meetings.
There
monk,
we
have
one
monthly
in-person
meeting
that
has
now
gone
virtual
and
we
are
currently
doing
that.
Committee
meetings
are
also
virtual
currently
and.
G
P
G
We
recommend
we
are
an
oversight
board,
we
do
recommend,
we
do.
We
are
in
the
process
through
the
where
we
find
ourselves
now.
As
you
mentioned
in
this
time
of
crisis
and
and
up,
I
want
to
say
upheaval,
we
find
that
our
we
are
with
the
help
of
the
common
council.
We
are
going
to
extend
our
legislation
and
our
hope
is
that
we
will
have
a
larger
role.
We
will
have
access
to
other
other
things
that
we
do
not
have
access
to
now.
G
So
that's
what
you
have
to
look
forward
to
as
a
member
of
the
board.
You
know
more
responsibility,
spending
more
time
and
addressing
more
issues,
as
in
maybe
more
disciplinary,
getting
more
in
the
arena
of
discipline
which
we
do
not
do
now.
We
just
make
we
make
recommendations
and
we
follow
up
on
those.
P
Right
well
going
back
to
availability.
Yes,
I
am
retired.
I
have
some
teaching
online
that
I
do
through
the
albany
public
library
system.
That's
usually
in
the
evening
and
and
the
one
time
I
do
teach
on
monday
afternoons
is
finessable.
If
something
comes
up
and
I
have
to
be
available
then,
but
the
idea
of
having
these
kind
of
zoom
meetings,
which
is
our
way
of
life.
Yes,
I
can
do
that
sure.
I
L
I
I
G
Thank
you,
so
that
was
our
that
was
vanilla,
dr
harden
she's,
our
secretary
on
the
board.
So
yes,
we
have
commit
your
your
interest.
What
what
you're
interested
in?
If
you
would
like
to
be
on
all
committees,
you
could
do
so
if
you
choose
one
or
two,
those
meetings
happen
throughout
the
month
and
they
are
set
up
at
different
times,
but
they
are
also
announced
a
few
days
prior.
O
L
M
G
G
Try
to
remember
to
do
so
with
the
other
applicant
is
that
you
being
on
the
board,
also
will
enable
you
to
sit
in
on
the
albany,
hopefully
in
the
future,
into
the
albany
police
academy,
citizens,
police
academy,
that's
a
requirement
so
again,
they're
virtual.
We
have
some
members
going
through
we're
going
through
that
now.
So
whenever
that
starts
up
again,
that
is
part
also
a
requirement
for
a
board
member
and
I'm
sorry.
I
forgot
to
mention
that
to
others.
A
P
P
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
paul.
Thank
you
for
again
thank
we're
thinking,
everybody.
I
think
we're
very
lucky
as
a
city
to
have
so
many
residents
that
are
willing
to
put
themselves
out
there
and
go
through
this
process
of
to
be
on
a
voluntary
board.
So
it
tells
us,
you
know
the
quality
of
the
city
that
we
have
and
the
residents
that
we
have.
So
thank
you
for
being
here.
M
I
also
want
to
take
a
moment
and
thank
miss
morris,
because
I
think
she's
teaching
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
inner
workings
of
the
of
the
of
the,
which
is,
I
think,
good
for
us
to
to
hear.
So.
Thank
you
for
that.
My
question
is
no.
We
have
different.
We
have.
The
board
is
made
up
of
nine
members
as
your
where
yeah
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
diverse
body
that
has
different
perspectives
that
they
can
bring
to
the
table.
P
P
I
teach
I
teach
a
memoir
class
and
the
memoir
class
is
most
instructive
to
me,
because
people
write
about
their
lives
and
their
lives
are
not
my
life.
So
I
have
a
chance
and
the
privilege
to
hear
about
how
other
people
have
accomplished
their
time,
and
so
I
try
to
keep
my
ear
to
the
ground
and
my
eyes
open
about
what
other
people
are
all
about.
M
D
D
P
The
training
of
police
might
not
be
as
comprehensive
as
as
a
community
needs
it
to
be,
and
so
many
times
we
look
at
a
recent
killing
of
a
man
with
mental
illness
and
do
we
need
more
people
on
the
ground
who
are
less
interested
in
law
enforcement
and
more
interested
in
humor
and
human
interaction
and
and
have
the
skills
to
bring
that
about.
So
I
think
where
we
are
with
respect
to
what
police
are
being
asked
to
do
and
what
might
instinctively
be
the
things
that
they
would
do.
P
So
that's
one
thing,
and
this
goes
and
I'll
if
I
could
mention
one
incident,
but
this-
and
this
is
not
painting-
I
don't
think
with
the
wide
brush
years
ago
there
was
a
an
incident
at
the
corner
of
state
millard
and
a
young
man
named
david's
gringe
was
killed
by
by
police
police
bullets,
and
I
happened
to
be
there
that
very
night.
I
was
there
on
the
corner
when
the
whole
thing
was
going
down,
and
I
remember
coming
away
and
talking
to
mark
about
it
later
saying.
P
I
have
no
idea
why
the
police
gave
chase
number
one
on
new
year's
eve
through
center
square
and
numbered
to
a
car
that
was
fleeing
for
no
deadly
reason
and
then
whipped
out
their
guns
and
fired
that
night.
And
for
me
the
idea
of
police
pursuit
and
all
of
that
having
to
do
with
judgment
was
something
that
I
thought
about
and
occasionally
I
I
think
about
that.
P
J
J
He
was
accused
of
having
a
gun
running
away
from
albany
police
was
shot
in
the
back
and
is
now
paralyzed
for
the
rest
of
his
life
yeah
and
then
more
recently,
there
was
a
police
officer
who
said
that
african-americans
are
the
worst
race
in
the
world.
You
know,
there's
been
calls
for
police
accountability,
and
some
of
these
cases
has
been
settlements.
There
hasn't
been
any
type
of
accountability
in
my
eyes,
and
the
community
also
feels
that
same
way.
P
Well,
I
I
guess
I
would
have
to
wonder
about
the
relationship
between
the
police,
union
and
any
kind
of
and
and
the
common
council.
In
other
words,
I
read
an
article
in
yesterday's
paper
about
a
policeman
not
in
albany,
but
who
had
been
involved
with
a
couple
of
women
and
a
whole
sequence
of
events
that
seemed
to
suggest
that
he
was
not
going
to
be
relieved
of
his
duty.
He
applied
to
four
other
districts,
including
albany,
to
be
a
policeman
after
he
was
dismissed
from
and
escapes
me
which
community
it
was
so.
J
All
right
yeah,
my
next
question,
you
know
it's
more
so
I've
been
thinking
about
lately,
you
know
in
1963,
martin
luther
king
gave
a
speech.
You
know
he
talked
about
march
on
washington.
He
talked
about
the
fierce
urgency
of
now,
and
lately
I've
been
thinking
about
that
as
a
common
council
member.
What
can
what
can
you
do
to
improve
a
sense
of
urgency
with
you
know
whether
it's
policy
or
even
with
you
know,
police
reforms?
J
P
Well,
I
I
don't
know
about
doing
anything
by
myself.
I
guess
I
would
imagine
that
a
nine-member
group
would
have
to
get
together
and
brainstorm
particular
issues,
cases
that
have
been
brought
forward
to
say
what
is
the
most
expeditious
way
to
resolve
this,
and
so
I
guess
I
consider
myself
someone
who
would
be
cooperative,
someone
who
would
be
attentive,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
could
answer
this
in
an
abstract
way
without
being
presented.
Something
specific.
I
may
I
say
one
thing.
J
J
P
P
That
kind
of
comment,
and
that
would
take
that
would
take
some
time
I
mean
in
the
immediate
moment.
I
would
I
would
say
what
I
would
say
to
anybody
is
what
the?
How
can
anybody
talk
this
way?
How
can
anybody
believe
this
way
and
how
many?
How
can
anybody
wear
uniform
and
try
to
serve
and
protect
a
community
as
diverse
as
albany's,
but
in
the
long
run
I
would
have
to
say?
Okay,
I
haven't
encountered
that
before
and
I'd
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
engage
the
kids
to
talk
about
that
particular
issue.
A
G
A
A
A
N
E
Hi
miss
livingston,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you
for
expressing
interest
into
in
this
role.
It's
really
it
says
a
lot
about
people
who
come
out
and
want
to
join
a
board
and
give
back
the
service.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
doing
that.
My
question,
for
you
is:
are
there
any
ideas
you
have
for
recommended
changes
or
improvements
to
the
cprb
as
it
currently
stands,
to
better
enhance
the
overall
program
and
the
processes?
L
N
I
G
A
G
G
Some
are
teachers,
we
have
teachers,
we
have
a
pastor,
we
have
activists,
so
it's
several
practices
are
involved
and
we're
looking
for
more
diverse
thought
in
the
board
and
because
of
the
the
things
that
are
happening
now
as
far
as
police
reform
and
the
repeal
of
58.
What
we
do
is
support
again.
Nine
member
board,
five
members
are
appointed
by
the
common
council.
Four
are
appointed
by
the
mayor.
We
meet
on
a
monthly
basis.
We
we
used
to.
G
We
excuse
me
and
before
the
pandemic
we
met
in
public
spaces
once
a
month
since
march,
we
have
been
doing
all
of
our
meetings
virtually
so
it's
a
monthly
meeting.
If
you
are
assigned
a
case,
you
will
be
asked
to
go
to
albany
police
department
headquarters
to
review
the
materials
of
your
case.
You
would
go
through
all
the
things
involved
with
that
case,
but
you
would
not
be
able
to
take
anything
out
of
the
police
department.
G
G
And
just
to
add
to
that
what
we,
what
we
found
is
that
if
we
we
make
requests,
we
call
into
the
department
and
say
I
have
a
case
such
and
such
and
I'd
like
to
come
in.
What
we're
then
advised
is.
When
is
a
good
time
to
come,
and
we
usually,
whatever
time
we
say,
we'd
like
to
come
in
the
they
accomp
apd
will
accommodate
us.
If
you
have
to
come
in
a
little
bit
early
or
you
know,
but
it,
but
it
is
traditionally
between
the
hours
of
8,
30
and
4
30
weekdays.
M
N
I
I
I
just
looking
at
your
your
resume
and
talking
about
time,
I'm
just
looking
at.
I
know
going
from
the
bottom
to
the
top
on
your
you
spent
seven
months,
one
place
six
months,
another
another
six
months.
Four
months,
someplace
else
looks
like
you've
been
in
this
position
for
a
year,
but
there's
a
lot
of
places
that
seems
like
you,
you're,
short-term
staying
and
I'm
looking
for
something
that's
going
to
serve
out
at
least
their
term
on
the
on
the
board.
Is
there
any?
N
No
so
now
I
live
by
myself,
my
sons
are
out
of
the
house,
so
I
have
time
for
myself
and
so
I'm
able
to
continue
in
my
education.
So
I'm
I'm
here
to
stay
the
reason
I
was
working
for
department
of
corrections
and
then
I
was
accepted
into
the
peace
corps.
So
then
I
left
and
I
went
to
africa
and
then
coveted
hit
and
security
issues,
and
so
then
I
was
evacuated
and
I
came
back
so
I'm
supposed
to
be
in
malawi
right
now,
but
things
have
changed.
E
I
L
D
D
J
J
All
right,
thank
you,
and
my
next
question
is
more
so
you
know,
as
it
relates
to
the
sense
of
urgency,
since
being
elected.
Very
too
often,
I
feel,
like
you
know,
most
of
the
important
issues
are
usually
kicked
down.
The
road
or
individuals,
sometimes
in
government,
don't
want
to
face.
Have
the
tough
and
hard
conversations
is
there
an
instance
where
you
can
share
where
there
was
something
that
you
were
really
passionate
about,
but
it
was
moving
really
slow.
How
did
you
handle
it?.
N
J
Thank
you
so
much,
and
just
lastly,
you
know
you
talk
about.
You
know:
law
enforcement
dealing
with
like
individuals
with
mental
health.
You
know
that's
something
that
I
think
law
enforcement
and
the
community
and
government
could
all
agree
on.
I've
heard
several
instances
where
police
say
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
homeless
population.
They
want
to
deal
with
individuals
with
mental
health.
So
I
believe
that
you
know
with
the
re-emit
we
imagine
enough
the
police
department.
J
They
will
have
some
resources
dedicated
to
social
workers
and
individuals
who
deal
with
individuals
with
mental
health.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
you
brought
that
up
and
I
think
that
that's
the
direction
that
we
are
moving
on.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
your
volunteer
into
this
position.
Your
interest
into
this
position.
A
N
A
A
E
E
A
M
A
A
Q
Q
E
Hi,
mr
davis,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
expressing
your
interest
in
the
board.
I
definitely
appreciate
you
coming
out
says
a
lot
for
you
wanting
to
serve
the
community
in
this
capacity,
so
appreciate
it.
My
question
for
you
today
is
what
you
mentioned:
wanting
changes.
What
changes?
If
you
were
to
step
into
this
role,
would
you
like
to
see
prb
to
move
forward
with
or
implement
to
just
create
improvements
here
in
the
city.
Q
Absolutely
well,
you
know,
I
think,
first
and
foremost
as
a
collective.
You
know
I
just
want
to
let
you
guys
know
the
changes
that
will
be
made
will
be
made
as
a
collective.
You
know
amongst
us,
you
know,
as
a
group
dealing
with
the
relevant
issues
and
so
some
of
those
changes,
which
is
the
racial
disparities
that
we
have
with
our
albany
police
department.
You
know
I'm
born
and
raised
in
the
city
of
albany.
Q
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
that
are
police
officers,
and
I
understand
the
dynamic
that
we're
in
now.
You
know,
especially
with
david
david
hall.
You
know
I
work
out
at
albany
strength.
You
know
I
worked
out
for
every
eight
years,
so
you
know
he's
sam's,
you
know
partner,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
with
that
dynamic.
You
know
that
I'm
involved
in
you
know
and
just
helping
move
forward
and
making
sure
that
you
know
we
don't
make
the
old
the
old,
the
old
mistakes.
Q
My
thing
is,
you
know
it's
moving
forward.
We
don't
want
to.
You
know,
put
band-aids
on
things.
You
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
address
things
and
address
things
in
a
way,
shape,
fashion
and
form
to
where
you
know
we're
not
infringing,
or
you
know
you
know,
breeding,
biases
or
prejudice.
You
know
we
just
want
to.
Q
You
know,
come
up
with
solutions
or
some
healthy
alternatives
together
collectively
that
can
reflect
the
changes
that
we
want
in
the
city
of
albany,
so
me
and
being
a
part
of
the
team,
it
would
just
be
helping
to
review
things
in
detail
and
us
to
come
up
with
alternatives
towards
the
particular
dynamics
that
we're
dealing
with
right.
Now,
it's
blatant,
you
know
we're
dealing
with.
Q
You
know
a
lot
of
racial
appetites,
a
lot
of
racial
tension
here
in
the
city
of
albany,
without
the
police
department,
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
things
nationally.
That
is
a
reflection
of
that.
So
here
in
the
city
of
albany,
you
know
it's
like
okay,
we
know
in
where
you
know
even
nationally,
like
we
know
we're
in
the
situation.
Q
So
now
the
police
would
be
bored.
My
responsibility
would
say:
okay
as
one
of
the
reviewees
to
say,
you
know
what
let's
make
sure
that
we're
reviewing
these
things
and
coming
up
with
solutions,
solutions
to
where
albany
we're
picking
up
our
apd
we're
picking
up
our
police
department,
we're
not
just
you
know,
throwing
them
to
the
wolves.
You
know
that
you
know
we're
respecting
understanding.
Q
You
know
that
we,
these
municipalities,
play
a
part,
but
we
understand
that
some
changes
need
to
be
made
within
the
municipalities
and
the
traditions
of
our
city,
and
so
you
know
we're
looking
to
do
that
in
a
way
to
where
you
know
we
can
create.
You
know
solutions,
and
you
know
that's
just
where
you
know
I
feel
I
can
help
out
at.
As
far
as
you
know
me,
being
a
criminal
major
me
understanding
jurisprudence,
you
know
me
being
well
studying
these
things.
L
Yeah
hi,
mr
davis,
thank
you
for
coming
and
giving
us
your
time
to
interview
and
time
is
so
important
to
all
of
us
and,
as
we
become
more
active,
it's
hard
to
balance
your
time,
so
this
job
will
require
some
time
now
we
are
doing
meetings
via
zoom,
but
there
are
times
where
you'll
have
to
go
down
to
police
headquarters.
Look
at
the
material
there.
They
will
not.
L
Q
Absolutely
I
want
to
let
you
guys
know:
I
take
a
great
deal
of
responsibility,
even
as
being
a
volunteer
but
sitting
in
the
seat.
So
my
time
that
I
would
dedic
that
is
dedicated
will
be
the
time
that
is
needed
for
this
position.
You
know
I
my
schedule
is
not
as
strict
as
others.
You
know,
I'm
a
small
business
owner.
Q
You
know
I
own
my
own
non-profit,
so
you
know
my
schedule
is
dictated
by
the
responsibilities
you
know
to
the
businesses
the
times
that
you
guys
need
as
far
as
in
the
morning
or
in
the
in
the
afternoon
or
early
evening
time
that
doesn't
conflict
with
my
schedule
or
anything
that
I
have
going
on.
So
I
will
be
able
to
to
dedicate
the
necessary
time
to
effectively
review
these
cases
and
come
up
with
a
healthy
alternative
with
the
board
so
that
we
can
move
forward
best
for
the
city.
G
So
what
hi?
Mr
davis,
my
name,
is
ivy
morris,
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
cprb.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
hi
good
it.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
joining
us.
Most
of
all,
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
review
board.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
in
the
community.
G
I
appreciate
you
so
that's.
I
wanted
to
say
that
first,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
about
time
commitments
since
the
councilman
brought
that
up
what
what
we
we
meet
once
a
month
we
were
prior
to
covid.
We
were
meeting.
We
were
having
our
review
board
meetings
monthly
in
the
in
public,
now
we're
having
them
virtually,
so
we
also
so
in.
In
addition
to
that,
we
also
have
committee
meetings
that
are
scheduled
throughout
the
month.
G
That's
totally
up
to
you,
but
as
you,
the
most
important
thing
is,
as
you
said,
is
that
we
as
volunteers
in
albany.
We
must
know
the
time
commitment
that
that
is
required
of
us.
So
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
the
terms
nine
member
board,
four
appointed
by
the
mayor,
five
appointed
by
the
common
council
a
couple
of
hours
a
week.
Also
you
will
be
required
to
attend
the
albany
citizens,
police
academy,
and
that's
some
that's
once
a
week
commitment.
G
I
think
it's
about
six
to
12
weeks,
I'm
not
sure
kelly,
but
the
more
I
talk
about
it,
the
more
I
expound
on
it.
So
that's
also
going
to
be
a
requirement,
but
the
main
thing
is
your
your
interest
and
your
commitment
to
the
community,
because
what
we'd,
like
is
to
expand
our
powers,
have
more
ability
to
make
the
changes
of
the
reimagining
that
we're
we're
going
through
right
now
for
law
enforcement
and
police
reform.
Q
Absolutely
well
that
that
commitment
wouldn't
be
an
issue
for
me.
I
have.
I
do
have
one
question
in
regards
to
the
academy
that
we
have
to
go
for
12
weeks,
just
the
the
time
commitment
and
throughout
that
12
weeks
we
will
be
able
to
get
a
schedule
that
runs
and
corresponds
of
what
you
guys
are
requiring
of
us.
C
A
And
I
think,
the
time
the
time
may
have
been
reduced,
it
was
12.
I
think
it's
down
to
eight,
but
in
any
case
it's
it's
like
a
tuesday
night
for
eight
weeks.
It's
that
one
night
a
week
from
like
maybe
six
to
nine
or
something
but
you
the
schedule
is
laid
out
and
you
know
in
advance
of
what
you're
gonna
have
to
do
and
they
they
do.
I
mean
kovitz
reduced
the
timing,
but
they
usually
do
try
to
do
two
a
year,
but
we'll
see
they
have
a
bigger
academy
space
now.
M
I
know
let
alone
that
I
know
kelly
okay,
first
and
foremost,
ms
davis.
I
just
wanted
to
you,
know,
take
it
back
and
what
somebody
been
said.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
put
yourself
out
here
and
interview
for
this
session,
and
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
and
continue
to
do
for
our
city,
it's
it's
really
appreciated
and
it
it
hasn't
gone
unnoticed.
M
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
hearing
that.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
vacation.
Part
of
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
make
sure
we
have
a
diverse
board,
with
different
viewpoints
and
different
perspectives
to
get
the
best
out
of
in
decisions
that
are
made
out
of
what
perspective.
What
viewpoint,
what
the?
What?
What
from
your
background
and
knowledge,
do,
you
think
you
can
add
to
the
board.
Q
Well,
that's
cool,
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
it's
a
my
observational
skills.
I
also
grown
up
in
the
city
of
albany.
As
a
youth,
you
know
I
made
decisions
and
had
I
had
to
work
my
way,
you
know
out
of
the
judicial
system-
and
I
did
you
know
so.
I
understand
some
of
the
struggles
that
our
youth
are
dealing
with,
which
is
a
lot
of
our
issues
dealing
with
violence
in
the
city.
Q
Q
You
know
what
I
offer
is
just
a
understanding
of
jurisprudence,
a
understanding
of
social
conduct
and
self-integrity
and
and
how
a
community
should
be
operating
in
those
things
with
this
municipalities
and
what
supplies
with
this
community.
So
I
think
in
reviewing
these
cases
and
understanding,
jurisprudence
and
understanding
the
boundaries
of
that,
and
then
also
you
know,
I'm
a
firm
believer
in
ownership,
accountability
and
responsibility.
Q
You
know,
I
don't
think
it's
by
any
coincidence
that
I
have
a
lot
of
relationships
with
the
albany
police
department.
You
know
with
a
lot
of
good
people
in
there
and
the
relationships
that
I
have
with
the
city.
I
think
it's
my
responsibility
to
do
the
right
thing
with
it
and
to
be
that
conduit
and
to
serve
and
to
do
the
best
that
I
can
do
and
as
on
the
review
board
with
our
with
the
other
members,
there
too
thank.
M
D
A
Q
Man,
you
know
I
I
got,
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you
and
that's
what
we
want.
You
know
I
have
to
be
totally
honest
with
you
know.
I
have
had
a
great
deal
of
interactions
with
albany
police
department
and
you
know
whether
my
hand,
whether
it
was
bad,
good
or
different.
You
know
me,
with
my
seat
belt
off
me,
getting
caught
with
my
hand
in
the
cookie
jar.
You
know
I
love.
I
love.
I
love
my
police
department,
you
know
you
know
my.
Q
You
know
I've
I've
been
able
to
create
a
relationship
and
reports
with
you
know,
individuals
in
the
police
department
and
maybe
some
of
that
some
circumstances
that
were
sticky,
but
it
allowed
me
to
you,
know,
get
past
that
bridge
and
show
you
know,
allow
us
to
find
an
understanding.
So
you
know
I
don't
have
nothing
bad
to
say
about
individuals
in
the
police
department.
Q
You
know
it's
just
our
overall
traditional
ways
of
approaching
certain
things
that
you
know
we
just
we
need
to
change,
and
I
think
that
comes
with
having
a
first
and
foremost
dialogue
and
understanding
that,
under
that
we're
not
perfect,
and
that
we
understand
that
you
know
we
get
into
some
of
these
positions
and
we're
just
following
tradition
and
that
you
know
there
we
can't
afford
a
person
for
that.
You
know
as
a
police
reboot
a
review
board.
Q
You
know,
I
think
you
know
I'm
I
will
you
know,
take
pride
in
you
know
doing
my
best
to
add
to
the
perspective
of
the
nine
to
come
up
with
healthy
alternatives,
so
that
you
know
we're
not
stuck
on
old
paradoxes
or
just
you
know
these
just
the
old,
the
rhetoric.
You
know
we
get
that
we
just
want
to
come
up
with
some
healthy
alternatives
that
work
towards
some
parallels.
That's
moving
the
city
forward.
A
G
A
To
think
different
to
in
our
experiences
make
us
who
we
are?
Okay,
that's
everyone
on
of
those
nine
members
bring
stuff
to
the
table
because
of
their
past
because
of
their
history
because
of
their
knowledge.
So
that's
that's!
That's
what
that
was
about
absolutely
so
we'll
move
on
mr
anani
you're
up.
J
J
There's
been
calls
by
the
public
to
hold
albany
police
department,
accountable
and
even
just
more
recently
officer
hopped,
who
just
said
that
african-americans
are
the
worst
race
that
he
has
to
deal
with.
Is
that
what
can
we
do
to
hold
law
enforcement
accountable?
What
can
we,
as
common
council
member,
enable
you
or
the
cpr
be
so
that
you
can
hold
albany
police
department
accountable.
Q
I
want
to
start
by
you
know,
I'm
I'm
actually
dealing
with
a
case
right
now
that
I'm
working
as
a
paralegal
with
javik
johnson,
the
young
man
who
was
tased
by
rensselaer
police.
You
know
so
your
question,
you
know
it's
it's
a
fresh
question.
You
know
it
knows.
You
know
it.
It's
bubbling
my
stomach
a
little
bit
because
you
know
these
things
are
are
real
to
me,
the
for
the
common
counsel
to
end
I'm
gonna
answer
your
question,
not
unorthodox!
I'm
not
gonna
answer
verbatim.
Q
First
thing
that
I
can
see
from
the
common
council
is
just
support.
Well,
you
know
us
as
a
community
police
review
board.
You
know
when
we
come
up
with
certain
consensus
and
certain
healthy
alternatives
that
we
see
together
as
a
collectively
that
you
support,
and
you
guys
you
know,
stand
stand
behind
us
as
far
as
those
initiatives
or
those
necessary
changes
and
and
and
moving
forward.
Q
That's
what
I
see
as
far
as
the
commun,
the
common
council,
and
how
you
best
support
us
as
a
community
police
review
board
and
also,
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
behavior
that
we're
seeing
that's
exhibited.
You
know
those,
you
know,
you
know,
there's
a
the
psalms
prayers
that
you
know
grant
minister
ready.
You
know
to
know
the
difference.
Grant
minister
really
didn't
change
the
things
to
know
the
difference
between
the
things
that
I
can
change.
Q
Also
grant
me
the
courage
to
change
what
I
can
and
the
wisdom
to
know
the
difference.
So
it's
like
in
certain
behavioral
changes.
That's
taking
place
at
the
abd
that
you
know
we
don't
have
control
over,
but
we
can.
We
can
create
healthy
alternatives,
and
you
know
a
flashlight
foundation
to
where
you
know
they
can
start
making
those
changes.
You
know
without
feeling
feeling
you
know,
as
is
there
there's
a
power
struggle
as
if
there's
you
know,
you
know,
changes
being
made
outside
of
of
the
platforms
you
know,
that's.
Q
You
know
status
with
everything
in
our
society,
so
you
know
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
in
in
our
observations
and
what
we're
doing
that.
You
know
we're
being
transparent,
you're,
making
decisions
and
reviews
for
change
and
to
turn
the
leaf
and
when
it
comes
to
those
circumstances,
and
even
though
you
know,
as
a
common
council,
you
guys
may
be
privy
to
certain
informations
on
how
certain
policies
already
ran.
Q
So
you
know
just
to
support
us
and
just
to
make
sure
that
you
fill
in
our
gaps,
and
I
I
believe
you
know,
as
a
community
police
review
board.
You
know
you
guys
know
who
you're
picking.
So
I'm
pretty
sure
you
know
that
you
know
the
nine
that
you
pick
would
be
most
effective
and,
as
me
being
a
member
on
there.
I
was
just
saying
that
you
know
when
we
come
up
with
these
consensus
and
these
healthy
alternatives
and
these
initiatives
just
to
support
us
and
you
know
and
move
forward
with
it.
Q
That's
how
I
see
the
common
council
I'm
supporting,
and
you
know
those
issues,
those
traumatizing
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
as
far
as
the
behaviors
and
the
victims
that
took
place.
You
know
that's
unfortunate,
but
I'm
optimistic
that,
as
a
as
a
being
a
member
of
the
police
review
board
and
and
working
in
conjunction
with
common
council
and
in
the
apd
is
that
we
can
start
to
change
that
behavior.
Q
J
J
You
know
I
look
at
government,
sometimes
when
it
comes
to
police
reforms
or
anything
meaningful
that
has
to
deal
with
communities
of
color.
There's
always
seem
like
there's
a
delay
or
even
any
type
of
policy
that
would
benefit
the
greater
good
of
our
society.
It's
always
delayed.
The
campaign
kicked
down
the
road
or,
let's
wait
till
next
year.
Let's
wait
till
next
year,
our
next
committee
meeting.
What
can
you
do
to
improve
the
sense
of
urgency
with
policy
and
also
with
police
reforms
and
the
next
one
is?
Q
All
right,
I'm
gonna
deal
with
the
I'm
gonna
answer
from
last
to
first,
because
that's
okay,
when
it
comes
to
certain
things
that
I'm
I'm
passionate
about,
and
it's
no
there's
no
mystery
that
I'm
passionate
about
seeing
the
changes
here
in
the
city
of
albany
certain
challenges
that
we
may
go
through
certain
hurdles
that
we're
not
really
getting
over
certain
things
that
we
may
see
and
understand,
but
not
moving
towards.
You
know
some
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
to
be
honest
with
you.
Q
Just
you
know
to
maintain
myself
as
I
be
still
you
know,
I
know
how
to
you
know.
I
learned
how
to
be
still
in
my
life.
I
learned
how
to
sit
down,
and
you
know
I
learned
how
to
do
things
constructively.
You
know
me
personally,
you
know
I
like
to
study.
You
know
I
play
chess,
you
know
so
I
I
work
out
every
day,
so
I
have
healthy
alternatives
to
to
to
that
passion
so
that
you
know
it
doesn't
turn
into
frustration.
Q
You
know,
I
think,
a
lot
of
us
as
passionate
activists
community
members,
sometimes
that
passion
can
turn
into
frustration
with
not
having
a
healthy
alternative
to
understand
the
process
of
things.
So
me,
that's
you
know,
that's
how
I
that's
how
I
channel
that,
and
secondly,
you
said
the
the
sense
of
urgency
of
what
what
can
be
done.
Is
that
what
you.
Q
F
J
Q
Absolutely
so
I
think,
I
think,
to
I
think,
to
raise
a
sense
of
urgency.
I
think
you
know
is
to
raise
awareness,
so
I
think,
in
order
to
do
that,
you
know
as
far
as
policy
and
police
reform.
I
think
you
know
communication,
you
know
properly,
you
know
communicating
you
know
to
the
community,
communicating
amongst
the
common
council
and
the
apd.
You
know
really
working.
You
know
in
a
you
know
a
triangle
offense
and
defense
as
we
need
to
in
correlation.
Q
You
know
to
make
these
changes,
so
I
think,
to
raise
the
sense
of
urgency.
I
think
you
know
I
serve
as
a
con
to
raise
a
sense
of
urgency.
I
serve
as
a
condor
to
help
raise
awareness
and
throughout
that
awareness,
to
help
bring
understanding
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
on
the
same
page,
you
know
whether
it's
the
community
common
council
and
abd
lapd
you
need
someone
that
is
that
that
strong
conduit
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
balance
out.
You
know
everyone's
perspective.
Everyone
knows
that
this
is
a
timely
fashion,
things.
Q
Q
You
know
right
away,
but
to
make
sure
why
we're
all
doing
this
that
everyone's
on
the
same
accord,
and
I
think
I
think
I
play
a
very
valuable
part
in
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
keeping
that
balance
and
making
sure
that
we're
all
dealing
with
our
perspective
challenges
but
working
on
the
same
thing
together,
but
not
losing
sight
that
we're
all
in
this
together.
I
think
I
play
a
valuable
part
in
that.
J
As
someone
who
deals
with
the
youth,
just
recently,
we
had
a
police
officer
who
made
essentially
racist
comments
towards
african-americans
in
our
in
our
city,
saying
that
we're
the
worst
race
in
society.
As
someone
who
deals
with
our
youth,
what
are
some
things
that
you
tell
the
young
people
that
you
deal
with
particularly
about
this
type
of
remarks?
So
what
would
you
say
to
our
youth,
or
even
to
that
segment
of
population
that
that
officer
disrespected.
Q
Absolutely
well
and
and
and
speaking
to
the
youth,
you
know
I
and
some
things
you
know
as
I
used
to
talk
to
the
youth.
Sometimes
you
know,
and
I
should
teach
them
etiquette
and
self-etiquette
and
language,
and
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
tell
the
youth
you
know
if,
if
what's
the
name
your
mother
gave
you
yeah
right.
Q
So
whatever
name
calling
someone
calls
you
if
it
ain't
the
name
your
mother
gave
you,
then
you
you
know,
that's
not
something
you
need
to
be
worried
about,
but
on
another
note,
as
far
as
maybe
the
damages
that
that
could
have
played
on
our
young
youth
psyche
and
played
on
their
emotions,
you
know
you
know
we
have
to
teach.
You
have
to
teach
the
children.
You
know
we
have
to
be
real.
Q
You
know
that
the
only
thing
that
we
can
control
is
ourselves
and
just
teach
the
kids
how
to
deal
with
those
emotions
from
those
outside
impressions
that
they
they
may
be
dealing
with,
and
I
think
the
best
way
to
do
that.
To
be
honest
with
you,
anani
is
education.
You
know
if
we
can
properly
educate
the
children.
Q
You
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
social,
culturally,
socially
economic,
politically
their
challenges
and
some
of
the
things
that
they're
going
to
be
facing.
I
think
when
they
do
face
or
do
see
that
that
type
of
energy,
behavior
hatred
and
society-
I
it
you
know
it-
will
the
education
piece
will
allow
it
to
roll
down
their
back
like
water
on
a
duck.
So
you
know
I
you
know
I
don't
want.
A
Q
Q
The
only
question
I
have
a
question
of
curiosity
as
far
as
the
conclusion
or
decision
as
far
as
you
guys
making,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
reflecting
an
email
amongst
your
prospective
reviewer
so
other
than
that,
no
not
really
just
appreciate
you
guys.
Everyone
have
a
good
night
and
just
looking
forward
to
being
on
the
board
and
talk
to
you
guys
soon.
A
A
Okay,
yeah
we're
back
out
of
executive
session
from
discussing
the
applicants
to
the
c
committee
police
review
board.
We've
made
our
selection.
Well,
we
had
a
some
very
good
candidates.
We
only
had
one
spot,
unfortunately,
and
hopefully
down
the
line,
if,
if
we
could
maybe
get
some
of
those
other
applicants
involved
in
other
boards
or
commissions
here
in
the
city,
we'd
like
to
do
that,
and
with
that
mr
igo,
can
I
get
a
motion.