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From YouTube: Tuesday, August 21, 2018, Public Safety Meeting
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Public Safety Meeting - Topic of discussion: Resolution 66.81.18R Confirming the appointment of Eric Hawkins as the Chief of Police of the City of Albany, NY
A
Good
evening
good
evening,
so
I
would
like
to
call
this
public
safety
meeting
to
order.
My
name
is
Dorothy
Epirus
I'm,
the
Councilwoman
representing
the
first
board
in
the
city
of
Albany
and
I,
would
like
to,
on
behalf
of
my
colleagues
I
welcome
you
all
to
tonight's
meeting
so
joining
me
as
Public
Safety
Committee
members.
We
have
councilman
Alfredo
Balor
and
Councilman
Kelly
Kimbrough
councilman,
Thomas
Hoey
and
Councilman
Joe
Eigo
present
sitting
here
in
front
of
us.
A
We
have
council,
woman,
Judy
it
councilman
I
will
sue
a
nani
Councilwoman
Joyce
love,
councilman
Michael
Bryan,
Michael
O'brien.
We
have
councilman
Jamel
Robinson
president
Pro
temp
Richard
Conte,
Councilwoman,
Kathy,
Fahey,
councilman,
Jack,
Flynn
and
Councilwoman
Ginny
Farrow,
so
we're
going
to
get
started
with
our
public
safety
meeting
for
this
evening.
The
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
review
and
discuss
resolution
number
66.
8118
are
a
resolution
of
the
Common
Council
confirming
the
appointment
of
eric
mr.
A
Eric
Hawkins
as
the
chief
of
the
Albany
Police
Department
how
this
meeting
will
flow
tonight
we
will
give
the
mayor
mayor
the
opportunity
to
introduce
mr.
Hawkins
and
then
council
members,
as
part
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
once
we
hear
from
mr.
Hawkins
and
each
council
member
will
have
five
minutes
to
ask
questions.
A
Once
we
hear
from
our
Public
Safety
Committee
members,
we
will
then
hear
from
the
entire
Common
Council,
and
so
each
council
member
will
have
five
minutes
to
ask
questions
at
that
point.
We
will
then
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comment
and
you
are,
as
members
of
this
community
will
have
three
minutes
each
to
provide
public
comment
so
with
that
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
mayor,
who
will
introduce
mr.
Hawkins
thank.
B
B
The
city
went
about
the
process
of
issuing
an
RFP
to
identify
a
search
firm
to
help
us
with
the
search
for
a
new
police
chief,
and
we
ultimately
hired
Gary
Peterson,
who
then
held
three
community
meetings
in
April
to
develop
a
profile
for
the
city
of
Albany
for
this
recruitment
effort
that
included
a
tremendous
amount
of
community
input
with
respect
to
what
the
city
was
looking
for
and
its
chief
and
what
was
really
important
to
this
city.
With
respect
to
policing
and
the
approach
to
policing.
B
B
That
reflects
the
values
and
the
sentiments
that
we
heard
here
in
the
city
of
Albany,
with
respect
to
what
our
community
is
looking
for
in
its
Police
Department
in
the
leadership
of
the
police
department
and
where
police
department
is
going
one
of
the
things
about
sheep
Hawkins.
That
really
struck
me
is
that
he
listens
and
that
he
recognizes
that
in
coming
into
this
community
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
lead
this
Police
Department.
B
We
are
a
police
department
that
is
recognized
around
the
country
for
the
work
that
we
do
with
community
policing,
and
that
is
in
no
small
part
due
to
the
advocacy
of
this
body
and
the
members
of
this
body
in
ensuring
that
we
are
embracing
21st
century
policing
strategies
and
doing
all
that
we
can
to
be
a
safe
community
and
to
be
a
community
of
respect
and
so
I.
Thank
you
all
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
chief
Hawkins
for
this
position.
B
A
So
mr.
Hawkins
I
will
just
again
would
like
to
reiterate:
we
welcome
you
and
would
like
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
address
members
of
the
council,
but,
most
importantly
members
of
the
community
and
so
feel
free
to
provide
us
with
an
overview
of
your
background.
We
have
your
resume
in
front
of
us,
but
some
of
the
community
members
may
not
have
had
the
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
your
credentials.
So
if
you
could
speak
to
your
expertise,
your
credentials
and
whatever
else
you
would
care
to
share
with
us
the
floor
is
yours.
C
All
right,
Thank,
You
committee,
chair
and
committee
members,
as
well
as
members
of
the
council
and
I'm
extremely
honored
and
humbled
to
be
before
you
this
evening,
I'm
proud
to
have
been
chosen
by
the
mayor
as
an
appointee
as
the
as
the
police
chief
in
the
city,
it's
great
city.
It's
got
great
people.
This
guy
has
a
great
Police,
Department
and
I'm
proud
to
be
able
to
serve
this
community
for
years
and
years
to
come.
C
I'm
often
asked
why
Albany
and
Albany
really
attracted
me,
because
Albany
has
a
lot
of
the
characteristics,
a
lot
of
the
dynamics,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I've
had
and
the
community
that
I
come
from.
I
am
very
very
impressed
with
the
fact
that
all
the
Albany
is
a
very
inclusive.
Community.
Albany
is
a
very
diverse
community.
Albany
values,
people
and
Albany
has
a
great
national
reputation.
You
know
this.
This
is
a
great
great
place
to
be
it's
a
great
great
place
to
serve
and
I
was
particularly
attracted
to
the
police
department.
C
C
You
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
some
of
those
things,
but
community,
policing
and
procedural
justice,
and
all
of
these
things
are
things
that
this
city
and
this
police
department
values
and
those
were
things
that
I've,
valued
and
I,
promote
it
in
the
city
and
police
department
of
which
I
came
and
so
I
knew
that
I
could
come
to
this
city
and
take
what's
great
and
help
it
to
become
even
greater.
That
I
can
take
the
talent
and
the
skills
that
you
have
in
this
city
and
give
those
people
the
opportunity
to
be
even
better.
C
For
me,
one
of
the
things
that
was
very
very
important
in
the
position
that
I'm
coming
from
was
making
sure
that
people
had
an
opportunity
to
grow,
because
when
people
grow,
then
they
communicate
to
communities
they
communicate
to
cities
in
the
cities
and
the
communities
are
better.
That's
what
I
want
to
bring
to
the
city
of
Albany,
and
so,
as
the
mayor
alluded,
you
know
they're
there
to
two
things
that
are
very,
very
important
to
me
as
police
chief
in
the
city
and
number.
C
One
is
continuing
this,
this
fine
history
that
you
have
in
this
city
of
community
policing
and
this
whole
concept
of
procedural
justice.
Dad
is
very,
very
important.
But
the
second
thing-
and
this
is
the
message
I-
want
to
send-
to
the
police
officers
and
the
civilians
in
the
police
department
in
Albany.
C
A
A
A
So
I
don't
want
to
hold
us
up.
Can
you
show
a
hands
on
the
public?
Can
you
all
hear
us?
Okay,
okay,
so
we'll
keep
moving
forward
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
adjust
the
AC.
So
with
that
said,
I
would
like
to
open
up
the
floor
to
my
colleagues,
members
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
and
I'll
start
with
councilman
Valliant.
D
You
know
your
success
can
be
better
now,
closer
closer,
don't
you
speak
louder,
okay,
so
my
first
question
comes
from
a
resident.
You
note
in
your
accomplishments
that
you
had
a
successful
academia,
hood
wash
programs
in
your
community.
We
have
not
had
the
same
track
record
here
in
Albany
we
have
had
some
neighborhood
associations,
some
neighborhood
watch
programs
that
have
been
able
to
get
off
the
ground,
but
they
have
not
been
able
to
be
sustainable.
D
We've
had
other
groups
like
The
Guardian
Angels
that
have
recently
come
to
our
community
trying
to
get
community
engagement.
Some
feel
that
that's
not
about.
We
should
be
taking
that
it
should
be
a
grassroot
local
organization
and
I
support
that.
As
someone
that's
been
a
part
of
a
neighborhood
association
and
neighborhood
watch
for
over
12
years,
I'm
interested
in
finding
out
what
steps
you
took
in.
E
D
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
enough
I
think
you're
I'm
following
you
with
this
in
this
in
your
right
sustainability
with
these
programs
is,
they
is
a
challenge
because,
usually
when
you
start
these
types
of
programs,
you
get
a
lot
of
buy-in.
You
get
a
lot
of
people
who
get
engaged
with
it
who
participate
in
it.
But
then
life
happens.
You
know,
sometimes
the
crime
rate
goes
down
or
sometimes
whatever.
C
The
challenge
was
that
that
started
the
conversation
about
these,
those
those
things
go
away,
and
so
you
start
to
lose
people
along
the
way,
and
so
what
I
found
was
successful
where
I
came
from
is
that
these
programs
must
continue
to
evolve.
The
way
you
started
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
what
it
looks
like
two
years
from
now
in
the
three
years
from
now
as
an
example
we
started,
it
must
have
been
about
seven
or
eight
years
ago.
It
was
a
mobile
watch
type
program
in
it
same
concept
as
neighborhood
watch.
C
You
know
in
residents
from
certain
geographic
areas,
they
would
volunteer
to
be
eyes
and
ears
for
their
geographic
area
of
the
city,
and
we
had
funding
to
pay
for
mileage.
For
the
folks
who
were
who
were
driving
around
their
neighborhoods,
we
got
different
types
of
advertisements
and
branding
type
things
for
their
cars
and
it
worked.
It
was.
It
was
very
successful
in
that
we
got
more
engagement
out
of
the
community.
C
You
know
some
didn't
feel
that
they
wanted
others
in
the
community
to
know
what
they
were
doing
and
there's
other
types
of
concerns
like
that,
and
so
it
evolved
so
two
or
three
years
later,
then
it
evolved
to
a
neighborhood
watch
type
of
program.
Where
was
more
people
being
eyes
and
ears,
sometimes
being
out
in
the
community
that
the
typical
traditional
neighborhood
watch
program
that
she
would
have
and
we
had
hired
a
neighborhood
watch
coordinator,
who
would
meet
with
the
different
neighborhood
community
groups
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
they
stayed
on
track?
C
But
then
we
started
to
see
that
that
started
to
change
and
that
needed
to
evolve,
and
then
it
evolved
to
a
concept
that
we
called
it
was.
It
was
a
it
was
a
health
and
wellness
watch
type
program
in
which
we
encourage
tower
residents
to
get
out
as
part
of
a
health
and
wellness
initiative
to
walk
the
neighborhood's
in
order
to
get
healthier
and
things
like
that,
and
so
that
gained
some
traction.
C
Because
now
you
know
people
start
to
see
that
not
only
are
we
doing
things
to
benefit
the
community,
but
we're
doing
things
to
benefit
ourselves
from
health
perspective,
and
so
that's
where
we're
involved
and
there's
going
to
be
even
more
different
ways
that
it's
going
to
evolve.
So
I
guess
to
answer
your
question
with
any
of
these
types
of
programs.
It's
important
that
you
have
leadership
that
understands
that
what
you
start
off
with
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
what
it
is.
C
You
know
two
or
three
or
four
years
from
now
you
have
to
see
you
know
how
you
know
how
perspectives
are
changing,
how
people
are
changing
with
their
needs
and
what
their
challenges
are
and,
in
terms
of
you
know
and
I,
think
that
that
answered
the
sustainability
part
in
the
approach.
Now
you
mentioned
the
guardian
angels
and
you
know
I
am
I,
am
NOT.
C
I
am
NOT
opposed
to
any
groups
or
any
people
who
want
to
assist
the
city
in
a
in
a
collaborative
way
and
addressing
issues
that
are
occurring
in
the
community,
but
it
has
to
be
in
an
in
a
collaborative
way.
You
know
I
see,
and
it's
not
just
guardian
angels.
It
can
be
any
group,
any
group
that
comes
into
any
city
and
wants
to
implement
or
impose
some
types
of
strategies
for
addressing
serious
issues
that
are
going
on
in
the
community
without
having
substantive
collaborations
with
the
key
stakeholders
in
that
community.
C
That's
a
recipe
for
disaster,
and
it
could
potentially
place
people
at
risk
who
are
engaging
in
it
who
are
participating
in
those
sorts
of
things.
So
what
I
would
suggest
is
that,
if
anyone
wants
to
assist
a
municipality
with
challenges
that
these
municipalities
are
having
to
first
consult
with
and
collaborate
with
partner
with
the
local
stakeholders
to
find
out
what
the
issues
are,
so
that
you
can
have
a
a
consistent
approach
that
won't
confuse
the
residents
in
the
community.
F
C
Right,
thank
you.
I
think.
Community
engagement
first
starts
off
with
the
type
of
officers
and
civilians
because
a
lot
of
times
in
police
departments,
we
forget
that
there
are
very,
very
key
civilian
employees
in
in
police
departments
or
in
any
department
in
any
city.
So
so
it
starts
with
the
types
of
personnel
and
staffing
that
you
have
in.
C
In
this
case,
you're
asking
about
the
police
department
in
a
police
department
making
sure
that
we
have
personnel
who
understand
the
benefits,
the
importance
of
having
engagements
in
communities,
making
sure
that
we
have
officers
and
civilian
employees
who
understand
that
challenges
and
communities
cannot
be
overcome.
They
cannot
be
addressed
in
a
in
in
the
appropriate
way
by
the
police
department
alone,
trying
to
do
these
things.
So
when
you
talk
about
engagement,
that's
where
it
starts.
The
police
department
has
to
do.
That.
C
I
mean
there's
study
after
study
that
you
see
that
anybody
sees
that
shows
that
the
more
engagement
that
police
departments
have
in
their
communities
the
better
opportunities
for
success
that
you
will
have
in
in
addressing
challenges
that
you
have
in
those
communities
I've
seen
the
studies
but
I've
also
seen
it
from
a
practical
perspective,
and
you
know
in
the
community
that
I'm
coming
from
you
know
years
and
years
ago.
You
know
you
go
back
10
years
and
you
know
we,
there
were
some
challenges
in
my
community.
C
You
know
we
had
some
problems
with
crime
rates
and
quality
of
life
type
issues,
but
we
started
to
see
a
change
when
we
started
to
change
like
you
were
saying
the
types
in
the
in
the
the
types
of
engagements
that
we're
seeing
in
the
character
of
the
engagements
that
we're
seeing
in
our
community.
Once
we
change
that,
then
we
started
to
see
some
of
the
other
dominoes
start
to
fall
in
a
very,
very
positive
way.
So
to
me,
that
is
a
key
key
element
in
addressing
challenges
that
you're
having
in
communities.
C
For
instance,
you
have
business
owners
and
you
have
visitors
that
have
organizations
that
may
not
be
Albany
specific,
but
they
have
an
interest
in
the
city
and
they
can
do
some
things
to
help
the
city
and
so
getting
out
and
talking
with
those
people
face-to-face
and
the
mayor
is
absolutely
right
when
she
described.
We
wanted
one
of
the
qualities
that
I
have,
and
that
is
listening.
C
One
of
the
things
that
I
pride
myself
on
is
listening
to
people
listening
to
what
their
challenges
their
concerns
and
what
their
fears
are,
because
it's
important
for
me
as
chief
to
take
those
things
and
take
those
things
back
to
the
police
department
and
share
those
things
with
the
officers
and
with
the
civilian
employees
in
the
police
department.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
come
to
me
informally
that
may
turn
out.
In
fact,
it's
not
a!
Maybe
it's
it's
a
it's
a
certainty.
C
Some
of
those
things
are
going
to
turn
into
policy
within
the
police
department.
There
are
things
that
people
will
share
with
the
police
chief
that
they
won't
share
with
others
in
a
police
department,
and
so
it's
important
for
me
to
sit
and
listen
to
with
these
things
there
and
that's
exactly
what
I
plan
to
do.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
so
I'm
gonna
switch
things
up
a
bit
and
allow
council
members
to
questions
just
for
the
mere
fact
it
doesn't
seem
to.
If
you
have
Q&A
going
on,
you
can't
count
five
minutes
or
hold
you
to
the
five
minutes.
So
we'll
give
you
two
minutes
to
pose
your
questions
and
I'm.
Sorry
allow
you
to
questions
and
I
also
want
to
note
that
we
have
our
council
president
Corey
Ellis,
who
has
joined
us.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Councilman
Hall,.
G
G
So
we
have
a
shortage
of
police
officers
right
now,
I
think
we
should
have
around
350
and
we've
lost
about
38,
maybe
thirty-
nine,
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
different
from
the
rank
and
file
and
stuff
that
a
lot
of
people
have
taken
the
state
but
troopers
test
and
we
might
lose
more
and
plus
the
communities
around
us
seem
to
pay
more
and
you
know
we
go
through
training
and
then
we
lose
our
police
officers.
Also,
there's
been
no
contract.
G
I
think
it
goes
back
to
2015
that
they're
short
and
also
what
falls
under
you
is
the
dispatchers.
We
have
the
9-1-1
dispatchers
and
we're
down
between
nine
and
ten
out
of
39,
and
they
also
have
trouble
you
know
getting
a
contract,
so
I
mean
we
got
a
problem
with
morale
that
that
you're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
now.
G
Some
members
on
the
council
and
some
community
members
feel
that
maybe
we
have
too
many
police
out
there,
and
maybe
it's
in
certain
wards
or
districts
that
that
we
have
a
lot
but
I
know
up.
In
ma
the
area
that
I
represent
the
15th
Ward
we've
seen
an
Inc
increase
in
crime.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
car
break-ins.
G
G
So
I
guess
my
big
question
to
you
is
it's
just
one
question
is:
how
would
you
deal
with
the
morale?
How
would
you
deal
with
working
through
the
council
to
try
to
get
more
police
trained
and
brought
up
to
speed
because
I
and
I
keep
going
on
with
this
question,
but
we
had
in
previous
tests,
we've
had
1200
applicants
and
the
last
go-around.
It
was
around
600,
so
we
have
a
definite
decrease
in
the
amount
of
people
taking
the
test
and,
as
you
know,
you
go
through
and
it
gets
whittled
down.
G
C
Right
Thank,
You
councilman
it
I
will
say
that
recruitment
and
retention
is
a
national
issue
when
I'm
at
conferences
across
the
country.
Always
always
is
police,
recruitment
and
retention,
a
topic
and
there's
there's
a
in
this.
It's
always
the
same
story
when
I'm
talking
with
fellow
Chiefs,
you
know
you
can
take
the
name
off
the
off
the
police
department
and
in
the
story,
is
the
same.
C
It's
there's
no
easy
answers
with
it,
but
I
will
tell
you
tell
you
this
that
one
way
that
we
must
address
this
problem
right
now
is
the
the
environments
and
the
atmospheres
and
the
opportunities
that
we
give
potential
applicants
and
also
those
who
are
within
the
police
department
right
now
and
what
I
mean
by
that.
Is
that
a
lot
of
when
you,
when
you
talk
with
a
lot
of
police
officers
and
you
in
civilians
within
police
departments-
and
you
ask
them,
you
know
why
are
they
leaving
and
in
you
know
what?
C
What
are
the
reasons
why,
with
those
who
aren't
in
it
to
it?
Yet
why
haven't
they
applied,
pay
and
benefits?
A
lot
of
times
are
not
at
the
top
with
a
lot
of
the
people,
especially
some
of
the
young
people
who
are
getting
into
this
industry
are
attracted
to
is
the
opportunity
for
growth
the
opportunity
to
to
work
in
a
professional
organization
they
they
are
not
attracted
to
an
organization
that
was
run
like
it
was
almost
30
years
ago,
when
I
got
into
it.
C
C
Maybe
you
know,
discipline
wasn't
perceived
as
fair
and
things
like
that,
and
so
doing
some
things
internally
to
attract
these
applicants
and
then
maintaining
those
things
within
to
retain
them
is
something
that
is
an
absolute
must
in
this
environment,
because
all
police
departments
right
now
are
trying
to
get
the
same.
Applicants
that
same
person,
whether
it's
state,
county
or
local,
and
in
a
lot
of
cases,
federal
law
enforcement
agencies,
there's
a
smaller
pool
of
qualified
applicants
and
we're
all
trying
to
get
that
same
pool.
So
how
do
we
do
it?
C
The
people
who
work
within
organizations
and,
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
a
police
department.
Those
the
members
of
those
of
organizations
want
to
be
treated
with
that
same
dignity
and
respect
in
the
same
value,
making
sure
that
we
listen
to
the
folks
within
our
department
making
sure
that
they
have
input
and
decisions
in
important
decisions.
One
of
the
things
I
did
when
I
started
out
at
the
very
outset.
C
Almost
six
years
ago,
when
I
was
appointed,
was
to
set
up
a
number
of
committees
with
the
a
cross-section
of
people
within
the
department,
sworn
civilian
command
non
ranking
and
have
them
have
a
voice
in
important
decisions.
The
important
directional
type
things
within
the
department
so
that
they
did
feel
value
because
I
said
it
a
long
time
ago
that
retention
was
going
to
be
a
critical
thing
and
something
that's
very,
very
important
at
police
departments.
C
You
know
I
started
to
see
six
years
ago
that
they
we
started
to
see
a
smaller
number
progressively
every
year,
a
smaller
number
of
applicants
and
police
departments,
and
so
I
had
to
do
some
things
to
to
make
the
environment
itself
attractive
to
people
and
I've
had
some
success.
You
know
I
look
around
and
a
lot
of
is
anecdotal,
but
talking
with
some
of
the
police
chiefs
in
the
region
that
I
come
from
and
we
talk
about
recruitment
and
especially
retention
and
anecdotally.
C
I
Just
to
mention
one
other
thing,
Anna
to
him,
you'll
be
hearing
more
and
more
about
the
residency
requirement.
If
you
haven't
heard
from
ready
for
police
officers,
they
have
to
be
live
in
the
city
when
they
take
the
exam.
Once
you
go
to,
Academy
was
just
worn
out
a
lot
of
them
move
out
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
that
about
that
lately.
Even
a
newspaper
is
that
fair
to
them
is
that
dwindle
or
pool
a
little
bit?
You
know,
so
that's
something
we
like
you
to
look
at.
I
That's
not
my
question
because
I'm
impressed
by
your
resume
a
special
line
says
that
you
results
in
strategies
that
decrease
crime,
45%
and
I'm
sure.
As
a
lot
of
them.
You
know
we
can
set
up
some
meetings
and
discuss
them
all,
but
a
few
things
that
I
have
questions
on
I
see
you
put
infrared
cameras,
I've
never
heard
of
them.
We
don't
have
them,
but
we
do
have
cameras
in
police
cars
and
on
the
officers.
Is
there
any
reason
why
your
community
that
didn't
have
them?
I
I
C
Funding
it
was
strictly
a
funding
issue,
but
also
because
we
let
me
just
go
back
a
little
bit.
Six
years
ago,
I
had
my
my
department
start
testing
and
evaluating
body-worn
cameras
and
six
years
ago
the
technology
just
wasn't
what
it
was
right.
Now
it
wasn't
as
reliable
as
it
is
right
now
and
also
the
equipment
itself
was
just
so
cumbersome.
C
You
know,
you
know
the
the
camera
itself
was
about
twice
the
size
of
a
of
a
cell
phone,
and
we
had
problems
with
with
retaining
the
data
and
all
those
sorts
of
things,
and
so
we
looked
at
this
again
about
six
years
ago.
So
now
you
fast
forward
six
years
later
and
now
and
all
those
questions
have
been
answered,
and
now
it's
a
very
viable
product
right
now
and
so
right
now,
the
only
thing
that
has
prevented
my
agency
Ferhat
from
having
those
is
the
funding.
C
I
I
C
J
C
Our
police,
cars
and,
and
it's
in
it,
it's
heat-seeking
and
it
picks
up
any
heat
sources.
So,
for
example,
where
we
found
it
to
be
extremely
valuable
is
if
there
were
some
types
I
think
somebody
talked
about
cars
being
and
into
in
certain
areas.
There
there
there
have
been
times
and
a
lot
of
times.
These
things
happen
at
night
and
so
officers
get
into
an
area
and
they
can't
they
don't
see
the
the
suspects.
C
They
don't
see
the
people
who
are
doing
these
types
of
things,
they're
hiding
behind
trees,
they're
hiding
behind
other
cars,
and
things
like
that.
Well,
when
you
activate
this
technology,
it
there
is
a
there's,
a
camera
or
a
monitor,
a
small
monitor
that
some
that's
connected
to
the
rearview,
the
rearview
mirror,
and
once
this
is
activated
wherever
that
camp,
that
the
spotlight
is
pointed,
it
picks,
there's
a
feed
that
goes
onto
the
rearview
mirror.
C
That
shows
any
heat
sources
in
that
area.
Another
thing
that
we-
and
this
is
what
really
attracted
us
to
this
is,
if
you
have
missing
children,
you
have
animals
that
go
missing
and
things
like
that.
A
lot
of
times
they're
in
wooded
areas
and
other
places
like
that
in
it
allows
us
to
quickly
go
to
an
area
and
see
if
there's
a
heat
source
in
that
area.
I.
I
C
It
wasn't
a
fight
because
it
was
already
being
done
by
another
agency
well
for
years
for
for
almost
30
years,
our
County
Sheriff's
Department.
We
in
the
agency
that
I'm
coming
from
we
have
a
full
service
of
jail
on
the
third
floor
of
the
police
department
and
the
County
Sheriff's
Department
was
running
that
operation
for
us
and
in
turn,
and
in
exchange
for
allowing
them
to
house
their
own
prisoners
up
there.
C
They
were
charging
this
back
then,
somewhere
between
four
and
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
house
their
prisoners,
it
short
term
and
this
in
every
year.
They
would.
This
this,
this
contractual
price,
would
increase
by
three
percent.
Well,
this
particular
year
we
got
notice
from
the
Sheriff's
Department
that
the
contractual
price
would
increase
by
over
a
hundred
or
some
percent
to
it.
C
It
went
from
it
went
from
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
the
new
price
would
be
1.2
million
dollars
a
year,
and
we
had
three
months
to
decide
whether
or
not
we
would
pay
that
those
additional
funds
and,
as
you
know,
in
a
municipality,
it's
hard
to
come
up
with
with
six
hundred
thousand
six
or
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
three
months
to
fund
those.
So
so
back
then
I
was
I
was
given
the
the
the
project
to
see
what
could
be?
What
are
our
options
at
that
point?
C
Are
we
gonna
have
to
pay
the
Sheriff's
Department
this
amount
of
money
or
we're
gonna
have
some
other
options
where
we,
where
we
do
it
ourselves,
will
we
partner
with
another
agency
in
order
to
do
this,
and
what
I
found
back
then,
is
that
it
was.
It
was
much
cheaper
and
it
will
give
us
much
more
long-term
sustainability
if
we
outsource
that
function
to
a
private
security
company,
and
so,
instead
of
1.2
million
dollars
that
we
were
would
have
paid
the
Sheriff's
Department.
C
A
I
A
C
You
and
for
me,
community
policing,
is
like
that
broad
umbrella,
that
for
me
and
I'm,
asked
this
often
and
you
you
asked
10
police
chiefs.
What
community
policing
means
you
probably
get
10
different
answers,
but
but
but
basically
what
it
is
to
me.
It's
it's
police
departments
that
are
working
with
communities
in
order
to
solve
social
issues
before
these
issues
or
these
concerns,
or
these
ills
become
law
enforcement
incidents,
and
so,
when
you
talk
with
so
when
you
do
all
these
things,
you
put
them
all
in
practice.
Really
that's
what
it
boils
down
to.
C
We
want
to
prevent
these
issues
from
occurring.
It's
a
proactive
type
thing.
We
don't
want
to
wait
until
there's
crime.
We
don't
want
to
wait
until
there's
there's
social
disorder
or
quality
of
life
issues.
We
want
to
address
those
things
before
they
before
they
get
there
and
you
have
all
these
different
types
of
strategies
in
order
to
get
there
now.
Procedural
justice
is
the
derivative
of
this
community.
Policing
and
procedural
justice
is
a
very
exciting
concept.
To
me,
this
is
something
that's
over.
C
You
know
people
feel
that
they're
treated
fairly
if
people
fear
to
feel
that
they
have
a
voice
in
decision-making.
If
people
feel
that
this
transparency
in
the
whole
process
and
this
transparency
piece
speaks
to
the
motives
of
a
police
department,
a
lot
of
times
and
I
was
talking
with
dr.
green
earlier
today
about
some
things
when
it
comes
to
transparency
and
how
motives
play
into
that,
and
that's
exactly
it.
C
You
know,
if
there's
this
perception
in
a
field
of
transparency
than
in
many
cases,
you
don't
have
members
of
the
community
questioning
the
motives
of
a
police
department
and
then
also
the
last
thing
you
know,
is
the
neutrality
and
impartiality.
If
people
in
the
community
feel
that
that
officers
and
civilians
in
the
police
department
are
operating
and
partially
in
neutral,
then
all
of
those
things
lead
to
communities
feeling
that
the
police
department
itself
is
legitimate
and
we're
talking
about
legitimate
legitimacy.
C
That
is
a
practice
that
is
valued
in
this
Police
Department
and
I'm,
seeing
that
in
a
and
I'm
getting
a
feel
for
that
and
so
I'm
eager
to
get
in
the
police
department
and
take
this
foundation
that
has
been
built
with
this
concept
and
with
some
of
these
things
over
the
years
and
helped
the
department
even
even
further
some
of
these
things
and
even
improving
some
of
these
things,
and
it
looked
for
some
even
more
opportunities
as
it
pertains
to
that.
Thank.
C
Chair
absolutely,
it
plays
a
part,
because
a
person's
perception
of
these
types
of
things
becomes
their
reality
and
if
their
reality
is
that
there's
there's
injustice.
There's
there's
there's
bias.
There's
racism,
then
absolutely
that's.
That's
a
problem,
and
so
that's
why
one
of
the
things
that
that-
and
this
is
before
I
even
knew
with
this
with
the
technical
aspects
of
procedural
justice-
were
one
thing.
I
knew
at
the
very
outset
when
I
was
appointed
chief
almost
six
years
ago,
is
that
we
have
to
address
perceptions
of
these
types
of
issues
we
have
to
make.
C
It
was,
it
was
racist
in
the
way
that
it
was
handled
and,
and
she
felt
that
the
whole
stopping
and
the
whole
encounter
was
race
pace.
Now
this
officer
is
an
officer
that
I
knew,
even
though
he's
a
very
young
officer
is
an
officer
that
I
knew
very
well
and
and
I
and
I
knew
that
the
likelihood
of
this
being
a
race-based
stop
was
very,
very
low
and
when
I
looked
at
the
encounter.
C
What
I
found
is
that
the
way
that
this
officer
communicated
with
this
African
of
this
middle-aged
african-american
female
could
very
well
and
it
was
legitimately
perceived
as
being
race
base.
And
so
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
here
is
that
in
this-
and
this
is
something
that's
they're
shown
in
a
lot
of
recent
studies
that
were
saying,
especially
when,
when
they're
talking
about
a
lot
of
studies,
dealing
with
procedural
justice
is
that
members
of
underserved
communities,
members
of
minority
communities
oftentimes
their
perception
of
how
of
whether
a
an
encounter
is
race
base.
C
C
So
to
answer
your
question,
as
chief
is
gonna,
be
very
important
for
me
to
be
able
to
sift
out
the
ones
who
are
real
because
they
and
I
don't
want
to
anybody
to
misunderstand
me.
When
I
say
this
I
mean
that
there,
yes,
there
is
a
there's,
there's
a
racial
component
to
policing
that's
here
now
that
has
been
in
the
past
and
I.
Don't
think
anybody
would
deny
that
okay,
but
I
have
to
achieve
be
able
to
sift
out
those
that
that
are
real.
K
K
Today
is
it
working
there
we
go
so
there
have
been
some
concerns
from
residents
in
my
ward
that
you
have
not
risen
through
the
ranks
that
hole
outside
our
perception
that
you're
coming
from
outside
of
our
community.
And
how
will
you
overcome
this
possible
challenge?
I
think
some
people
might
see
that
as
an
asset.
C
And
what
impressed
me
so
much
back
then,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
going
to
carry
with
me
here
is
even
though
this
police
chief
was
very
very
successful
where
he
came
from
had
accomplished
a
great
deal.
It
was
very
dynamic
and
charismatic
and
all
those
other
things
this
police
chief
came
in
and
listened.
C
From
a
different
perspective,
someone
who
understands
that
that
there
are
some
cultural
things
in
a
community
and
a
police
department
that
are
important
and
how
can
how
can
a
person
best
fit
into
it
in
a
situation
like
that,
I
think
that
in
and
it's
not
it's
not
unusual
in
other
industries,
you
know
to
have
Outsiders.
You
know
you
know
when
you
have
people
who
have
had
a
level
of
success
in
an
organization
and
in
in
a
different
type
of
industry,
oftentimes
they
trance,
transfer
and
translate
that
expertise
and
knowledge
and
skills
to
it.
C
This
hole
that
nobody
ever
ever
sees
and
nobody
ever
hears
some
of
the
concerns
that
they
have
and
so
I'm
committed.
You
know
to
coming
into
this
organization
organization
coming
into
this
city
and
listen,
what's
happening,
finding
out,
what's
being
done
well
and
doing
what
I
can
to
add
to
to
see
if
we
can
be
better
and
then
seeing
you
know
things
that
may
not
be
done
as
well
as
they
could
see.
What
are
the
opportunities
to
improve.
K
The
police
department
has
been
an
asset
and
a
detriment
to
our
schools
and
students
over
the
years,
depending
on
when
you
look
at
it
and
sometimes
each
individual
interaction.
How
do
you
plan
to
interact
with
our
school
district
and
how
do
you
plan
to
even
more
importantly,
ensure
that
our
children
in
the
city
feel
like
they
can
look
at
our
police
officers
as
protectors,
because
not
all
of
our
kids
do
that
right
now,
yeah.
C
C
Even
to
this
day
it
was
the
most
fulfilling
position
that
I've
had
in
my
entire
law
enforcement
career,
because
I
saw-
and
we
talked
about
this
when
I
talk
with
some
of
the
members
of
the
selection
committee
earlier
the
the
importance
of
interacting
with
children
in
this
community
and
and
how
we
can
change
some
perspectives
that
some
of
these
children
may
have
about
police
officers.
How
important
that
is,
I've
seen
firsthand
the
impact
that
a
police
officer
can
have
on
a
young
person
in
the
community.
You
know
to
this
day:
I
run
across.
C
You
know,
individuals
who
are
students
back
when
I
was
a
school
resource
officer
and
now
they're
in
their
mid-30s.
They
have
children
of
their
own,
and
I
can
remember
back
during
those
times
when
this
person
may
have
had
some
challenges.
This
person
may
not
have
have
had
good
experiences
with
police
officers.
C
This
person
may
not
have
seen
perceived
police
officers
as
being
guardians
and
being
helpful
and
being
part
of
their
their
social
system
that
they
have
and
supports
the
system
that
they
had
back
then,
and
so
it's
so
fulfilling
to
me
to
at
least
feel
that
I
had
some
impact
on
that
person.
Because
of
some
of
the
interactions
that
I
had
with
that
person.
C
I
mean
to
me
that
is,
that
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
and
in
responsibilities
and
obligations
as
law
enforcement
officers
that
we
have-
and
you
know
we
started
to
see
10
years
ago
when,
when
our
crime
rate
was
was
much
higher
than
it
is
right.
Now
that
a
lot
of
the
offenders
back
then
were
juveniles
in
our
community
or
those
who
have
come
through
our
school
system
and
and
we're
now
adults
in
our
system
in
our
community
and
they're
in
their
low
20s,
and
they
were
committing
a
lot
of
crimes
it.
C
You
know
there
was
a
number
of
things
that
contributed
to
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
a
hundred
percent
I'm
sure
of
contributed
to
it
was
our
increased
interaction
with
our
youth
in
our
community
that
started
over
ten
years
ago,
and
we
started
to
reap
the
benefits
of
it
in
the
community
started
to
reap
the
benefits
of
it.
Several
years
later,.
N
L
O
L
L
L
I
did
file
a
report
about
that,
but
this
is
an
everyday
reality
for
african-americans,
especially
african-american
men
in
minority
communities.
So
my
first
question
is
to
you
is
as
police
chief,
what
will
be
your
strategy
to
ensure
positive
interactions
with
members
of
minority
communities
and
ensuring
that
police
interactions
with
minorities
will
not
result
in
necessarily
in
deadly
force?.
C
Across
the
country-
and
you
talk-
you
know
the
statistics
that
you
brought
out.
I
mean
they
they're
alarming
and
they're
very
concerning
to
police
chief's
across
the
country
and
certainly
to
me-
and
so
it's
there's
two
things
that
that
I
see
with
this
really
three.
I'm
saying
that,
first
of
all
there
there
has
to
be
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
our
law
enforcement
officers
in
albany
and
across
the
country
have
an
awareness
of
some
of
these
concerns
that
members
of
underserved
communities
have
in
the
way
you
get.
C
This
type
of
awareness
is
making
sure
that
there
is
that
there's
robust
training
and
implicit
bias
and
cultural
competency
and
cultural
awareness.
I've
seen
tremendous
changes
in
attitudes
once
in
and
again
we're
seeing
this
in
albany,
also
where,
because
I've
noticed
that
there
there's
these
types
of
trainings
in
this
city,
but
I
saw
some
tremendous
changes
in
attitudes
of
my
law
enforcement
officers
and
my
civilians.
C
C
We've
seen
you
know
across
the
country
numerous
times
where
just
simple
de-escalation
was
was
the
issue
it
changed.
It
started
out
as
a
lethal
force
situation
and
then
things
changed,
but
the
the
strategies
from
the
officer
didn't
change
and
so
just
making
sure
that's
a
part
of
the
culture.
But
but
I
hear
what
you
say
it's
you
know:
I
consistently
hear
that
in
the
community
that
I
come
from
the
community,
the
community,
it's
it's
over
70%
african-american
and
the
police
department
is
probably
80%.
Caucasian
and
I
have
very,
very
few
very
few
race-based
complaints.
C
So
it's
a
whole
lot
of
different
things
that
that
we
must
do
things
change.
You've
got
to
have
a
leader
that
that
sees
that,
as
things
in
society
are
changing,
they
were
changing
the
way
we
we
train
our
officers
that
we
change
and
adjust
the
way.
The
message
that
we're
giving
our
officers
in
this
climate
and
in
this
environment,
and
that,
like
when
I
talked
with
dr.
brain
earlier,
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
transparent
and
that
we
communicate.
C
If
you
get
stopped
and
you
have-
and
you
have
a
taillight,
that's
out
number
one
make
sure
that
this
is
a
legitimate
stop.
Okay,
and
if
the
stop
is
legitimate,
make
sure
that,
when
you're
dealing
with
the
person
who's
who's
a
you
know
a
person
that
that's
it's
a
part
of
our
community
that
there's
very,
very
productive,
and
it's
just
a
good
person
in
our
community
making
sure
that
this
person
understands
why
this
is
being
done.
L
C
We
have
to
in
huge
challenge
right
now,
because
police
recruiting
in
general
is
very,
very
difficult,
but
it's
even
more
of
a
challenge
when
we're
talking
minorities
and
women
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that.
There's
a
perception
that
that
this
is
an
industry
that
is
oppressing
members
of
the
of
color
communities,
communities
of
color
there's
a
perception
that
there's
no
opportunities,
there's
a
there's
just
this
general
law
enforcement
in
general
across
the
country
has
not
looked
as
positive
tilly
as
it
was.
You
know,
20
or
30
years
ago.
C
So
we
got
all
these
things
to
deal
with.
So
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
get
into
places
where
there
we
have
minorities
and
women
in
in
in
women
who
may
be,
who
may
be
interested
in
these,
like
in
community
colleges,
catch
in
in
our
high
schools
and
some
of
our
in
some
of
our
regular
four-year
colleges,
letting
them
know
the
value
of
service,
because
that's
really
what
it
is.
You
know
you
won't
get
paid
the
most.
C
C
So
we've
we
have
to
go
back
to
emphasizing
and
giving
awareness
to
this
opportunity
to
serve,
and
what
does
it
mean
and
how
in
how
this,
how
this
could
benefit
our
communities
as
a
whole
and
then
as
I,
do
when
I
go
to
a
lot
of
different
community
forums.
One
of
the
things
that
we
all
need
to
do
is
to
encourage
our
young
people
to
to
get
into
it.
C
The
law
enforcement
profession,
because
I
suspect
that
if
I
asked
for
a
raise
of
hands
in
here
for
those
of
us
who
have
children,
you
know
who
has
encouraged
their
child
to
become
a
police
officer.
My
guess
is
that
the
the
number
of
hands
would
be
fairly
low,
and
it's
not
just
here
when
you
go
to
it
with
a
roomful
of
police
officers,
and
you
ask
that
same
question
and
there's
a
hundred
people
in
the
room.
C
Niche
organization
is
run
ethically,
making
sure
that
there's
some
moral
competent
with
this
organization,
people
won't
stay
in
any
organization.
It's
certainly
not
a
law
enforcement
organization
if
they
feel
that
the
organization
is
not
being
wrong
with
integrity
and
it's
not
treating
people
fairly.
So
they
got
to
see
it
and
they
have
to
hear
the
stories
from
other
adults
about
how
fulfilling
this
could
be.
L
A
C
H
C
Thank
you
and
we
have
a
not
not
as
strong
as
its
I,
think
it's
what
you're
describing
here,
but
we
we
do
have
a
presence
of
LGBTQ
community
in
the
city
that
I
came
from,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
did
early
on
was
make
sure
that
I
attended
functions
that
that
the
community
had
you
know.
You
know,
we've
got
a
church
that
that
large
members
of
that
community
of
10
and
a
couple
of
times
a
year,
you
know
I
tend
that
church.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
and
one
of
the
things
that
drew
me
to
Albany
was
the
the
robust
community
policing
programs
that
you
have
in
this
city.
You
know
the
neighborhood
engagement
unit
is
is
phenomenal.
You
know
when
I
hurt
right
now,
I
have
to
community
policing
officers
and
when
I
heard
how
many
community
policing
officers
the
city
of
Albany
has
I
mean
I
mean
you
know
this
I
mean
it's
exciting
and
I
knew
that
I
can
come
in
I
could
work
with
that
and
figure
out.
C
What's
being
done,
that's
very
well
and
maintain
that
and
increase
it.
I
mean
I,
take
some
things.
That
may
be
some
opportunities
that
may
have
been
missed
and
and
use
some
of
those
units
to
address
some
of
those
things
so
that
neighborhood
engagement
unit
and
the
community
policing
offices
that
you
have
are
the
perfect
officers
to
handle
these
quality
of
life.
Complaints
that
you
have
the
the
to
community
policing
officers
that
I
have
they've
put
out
so
many
fires,
so
to
speak
in
communities
regarding
in
my
community.
C
Regarding
these,
these
quality
of
life,
complaints,
which
could
evolve
into
more
serious
issues,
I
mean
it
could
it
could,
you
know,
could
resolve
in
neighborhood
conflict
that
could
result
in
violence
in
a
lot
of
cases.
You
know
small
things.
It
could
result
in
individuals
feeling
that
there's
opportunities
to
commit
certain
types
of
crimes
in
neighborhoods
and
so
by
addressing
those
things
right
at
the
outset,
putting
out
these
so-called
fires
at
the
at
the
outset.
C
So
I
think
that,
there's
that
there
is
there
there
resources
in
place
right
now
to
address
those
quality
of
life,
complaints
and
I
like
to
really
get
into
the
weeds
with
with
some
of
the
office
in
some
of
the
units
that
we
have
right
now
to
see
how
they're
being
used
in
terms
of
the
issue,
you
talked
about
not
making
arrests
to
it,
too
avoid
certain
things.
Those
are
operational
issues
that
I
would
have
to
find
out.
C
You
know:
are
these
real
issues
in
the
department
I
can
find
that
out
by
talking
with
some
of
the
upper
command.
You
know
those
who
are
supervising
some
of
these
some
of
the
officers,
the
officers
themselves
they
find
out.
If,
in
fact,
that
is
a
problem
or
is
that
just
a
perception
from
others
that
it's
not
being
done
so
I
definitely
make
note
to
to
look
into
some
of
those
operational
issues.
H
P
P
Having
said
that,
this,
these
past
months
have
been
extremely
upsetting
with
the
incidents
of
violence
that
have
occurred,
because
we've
all
been
working
so
hard
to
change
things
here,
and
so
you
know,
a
lot
of
us
are
trying
to
figure
out.
What
can
we
do
to
make
changes
in
people's
lives?
So
they
don't
feel
like
they
need
to
respond
violently
in
situations,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
conversations
about
what
can
we
do
and
we
talk
about
there's
a
there
siloing
that
goes
on
in
the
community,
because
you've
got
service.
P
You've
got
you've,
got
your
school
district.
You've
got
your
social
service
programs.
You've
got
your
police
department.
You've
got
your
city,
your
your
you
know
so
many
city
services,
but
I,
guess
we're
finding
that
you
know
sometimes
the
left
hand
doesn't
know
what
the
right
hand
is
doing
so.
I
guess
I'm
interested
in
knowing
what
your
approach
is
to
to
help
that
type
of
situation
and.
P
C
Months
or
so,
and
in
there
it's
troubling
I
know,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
concern.
There's
a
lot
of
fear
in
the
community
right
now
and
there's
the
the
instinct
in
the
impulse
is
to
is
to
implement
a
quick
fix
for
these
problems
with
the
police
department.
And
so
what
I
urge
our
community
to
resist
is
exactly
that,
because
using
your
Police
Department
to
fix
these
sort
of
sort
of
problems
could
have
some
unintended
consequences
in
the
community.
C
C
You
know
our
numbers
look
good.
We
know
we
were
making
all
these
types
of
arrests.
You
know
we
were
sending
the
message
that
you
know
you
know.
Crime
doesn't
pay
and
in
all
these
things,
but
we
were
spinning
our
wheels,
and
so
we
needed
to
change
our
approach
because
when
we
start
we
were
seeing
back
then
is
that
the
causes
of
these
issues
were
some
things
that
we
had
no
control
over.
You
know,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
social
issues
that
we
that
we
were
having.
You
know,
poverty.
C
You
know
lack
of
education,
lack
of
opportunity.
You
know
all
of
these
things.
You
know
the
the
individuals
that
were
involved
in
these
sorts
of
incidents
had
those
types
of
issues
and
we
can
continue
arresting
them
and
arrest
them
abut
that
you
know
they
they
get.
You
know,
so
it
was
just
a
vicious
cycle,
and
so
once
we
started
working
with
different
stakeholders
in
our
community,
we
started
to
see
some
results
once
we
got
very-
and
you
mentioned
the
schools
and
you're
absolutely
right.
C
If
you
have
the
the
stakeholders
in
the
community
who
are
operating
within
these
silos
and
they're,
not
communicating
nation'
that
sharing
information
they're,
not
sharing
resources
to
address
these
types
of
things,
then
you're
absolutely
right.
You
know
you
can
continue
spinning
your
wheels,
and
so
we
started
working
with
our
school
district
even
more.
We
started
working
with
our
economic
development
team
even
more.
We
started
working
with
some
of
our
social
agencies
that
dealt
with
mental
mental
illness
and
in
poverty
and
lack
of
education.
C
What
you
know
what
were
some
of
the
things
that
were
contributing
to
those
types
of
things,
so
that
can
take
those
things
back
to
the
police
department
and
have
this
become?
Is
you
know
slowly,
but
a
part
of
the
culture
of
the
police
department
that
we're
aware
of
these
types
of
things
and
understand
that
we
can't
do
this
alone?
And
so?
And
so
we
started
doing
all
these
things.
And
then
we
started
to
see
over
the
years
that
we
started
to
see
some
dramatic
decreases
in
in
in
crimes
and
disorders.
C
You
know
our
quality
of
life
complaints
started
to
decrease
dramatically,
and
so
my
approach
with
that
is
to
continue
those
things
in
Albany.
You
know
reaching
out
working
working
directly
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
forget
how
the
opportunities
for
a
law
enforcement
agency
to
work
with
say,
for
instance,
the
economic
development
team
in
the
city.
C
We
started
to
see
years
ago
that
crime
was
clustered
around
certain
areas.
Certain
types
of
businesses-
and
sometimes
it
was
the
wrong
business
in
the
wrong
place.
Sometimes
it
was,
it
was
a
business
just
wasn't
operating
effectively
in
a
way
that
that
was
that
was
attracting
these
types
of
nuisances,
and
so
we
began
to
work
very
very
closely
with
with
economic
development
and
planning
and,
for
example,
within
the
last
couple
of
years,
one
of
the
things
that
started
to
drive
up
certain
crimes
in
the
community.
C
C
We
made
certain
conditions
that
they
they
had
to
comply
with
certain
conditions
in
order
to
even
get
approved
for
certain
businesses
in
the
community
and
a
lot
of
these
conditions
where
law
enforcement
related,
and
so,
if
they
didn't
I
get
so
if
they
did
not
get
the
the
the
approval
so
to
speak
from
the
from
the
police
department.
Because
of
certain
issues,
you
know
whether
it
be
the
environmental
design
or
hours
of
operation
or
the
the
the
types
of
things
that
they're
selling
it's
like
as
long
as
it
was
reasonable.
C
It
became
a
part
of
it
and
we
started
to
see
that
these
businesses
were
coming
in
now
and
they
were
not
contributing
to
issues
in
the
community.
So
so
I
say
it
to
say
that
there's
opportunities
to
work
with
different
stakeholders
in
the
community
in
order
to
address
these
types
of
issues,
but,
as
I
said
before,
we
must
resist
this
instinct
to
have
this.
C
This
overly
enforcement
base
response
to
these,
but
I
will
say
and
I
just
want
to
make
this
very
clear
to
members
of
the
community
and
to
into
Council
I
still
under
my
command.
We
will
have
a
very
robust
targeted
enforcement
team
to
address
individuals
who
are
preying
on
members
of
our
community.
I
mean
if
somebody
is
preying
on
our
law-abiding
residents
or
visitor's
in
our
community.
They
need
to
be
dealt
with.
C
They
need
to
be
dealt
with
in
a
constitutional
way,
but
the
message
needs
to
be
sent
that
those
types
of
things
are
not
acceptable
and
that
we
will
use
our
resources
and
make
sure
we
find
and
bring
those
folks
to
justice.
But
our
overall
strategy
I
mean
in
addressing
this,
is
a
more
comprehensive
holistic
approach
to
it
and.
P
Another
question
we
were
just
talking
about
last
night
at
the
council
meeting:
there's
a
tendency
for
the
media,
the
larger
public,
to
paint
certain
neighborhoods
in
a
very
poor
light
and
the
impact
that
has
on
those
neighborhoods
to
to
write
them
off.
As
being
you
know,
bad
places
to
live,
and
so,
as
police
chief
I
think
you
know,
you've
been
talking
a
lot
about.
You
know
procedural
justice
and
the
importance
of
that
and
and
treating
people
with
dignity,
dignity
and
respect.
P
C
And
then
it's
important
that
there's
followup
with
that,
so
that
if
there
are
complaints
about
things
like
that
that
they're
the
complaint
process
is
very
transparent,
that
it's
easy.
You
know
so
that
people
don't
feel
that
they
have
to
jump
through
a
lot
of
Hoops
in
order
to
report
that
that
they
were
not
treated
with
respect.
C
C
These
these,
these
solid
productive
relationships
with
the
media
have
a
much
more
much
higher
success
rate
and
having
effective
messaging
in
communities,
because
there's
only
so
many
you
can
have
much
more
reach
through
our
local
media
we
can
with
with
the
police
chief
or
the
assistant
Chiefs.
You
know
trying
to
make
every
community
meeting.
C
A
Q
C
Where
we
have
this
and
it's
just
an
informal
relationship
where
we
have
you
know
once
a
month,
I'll
go
out
to
lunch
with
the
union
membership
with
the
leaders
of
the
Union
and
what
I
found
is
that
when
issues
arise,
then
we
seem
to
come
to
some
sort
of
understanding
on
how
to
resolve
these
issues.
It's
not
so
contentious.
In
fact,
it's
never
contentious
when
you
have
their
relationship
there.
There's
always
disagreement
on.
You
know
how
you
see
things,
but
we
always.
C
We
always
come
to
a
compromise
on
how
on
how
to
resolve
issues
in
the
place
in
a
way
that
doesn't
compromise,
anybody's
values
or
their
ethics
or
their
professional
standards,
and
so
it's
critical
that
we
have
that.
It's
critical
that
our
members
of
our
of
the
unions
feel
valued
I've,
seen
some
what
some
of
the
some
of
the
things
in
the
media
and
the
newspapers
online.
Where
you
know
there's
there's
some.
You
know
there
there's
there's
some
issues
that
our
union
membership
has
and
so
with.
C
Q
C
And
the
answer
to
that
is
a
resounding
yes
and
the
reason
for
it
is
because
that
that's
that's
what
I
do
now
and
so,
but
but
there's
a
caveat
to
that.
Obviously,
because
I
still
need
to
you
know:
I
have
these
ideas
on
how
things
can
go,
what
the
opportunities
are,
but
I
still
have
to
see
with
with
the
policies
and
procedures
and
other
standards
are
in
the
city
itself,
and
so
so
I
place
that
caveat
on
it.
C
Call
trust
me
in
before
I
finish
with
this,
but
but
the
reason
I
do.
That
is
because,
exactly
like
you
said,
if
things
happen,
and
when
I
give
this
information
I'm
not
giving
out
any
sensitive
information,
not
anything,
that's
gonna
compromise
an
investigation,
nothing,
that's
that
that
will
violate
any
rights,
that
a
person
that
a
person
is
suspected
of
a
crime
may
have,
but
I
give
this
information
so
that
the
elected
officials
in
the
city
will
have
an
idea
of
what's
happening
before
it
before
it
hits
the
medium
before
you
start
getting
calls
I.
C
Think
as
a
courtesy,
it's
it's!
You
know
it's
good
to
know.
If
you
get
a
call
at
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning
that
you
know
that
there
was
a
you
know,
a
shooting
or
something
like
that,
someplace
that
you
have
some
general
information
to
give
you
a
constituent
with
this.
This
calling
you
and
so,
and
so
so
yeah
philosophically
absolutely
I'm
on
board
with
you.
S
K
R
C
T
Let
you
know:
I
represent
the
9th
Ward,
which
is
between
Albany
med
and
st.
Peters.
It's
a
great
residential
area,
very
walkable,
with
a
small
commercial
strip
at
its
heart
that
we
all
love,
because
it
has
a
lot
of
conveniences
and
bars,
and
restaurants
and
I'm
sure
when
you
get
through
looking
at
opportunities
in
the
city,
you're
gonna
wind
up
wanting
to
live
in
the
Night
Court.
Yes,.
T
T
J
T
This
included
at
least
one
community
engagement
officers
or
dovetailing
on
what
mister
I've
been
told
by
a
number
of
neighbors
and
businesspeople
on
my
commercial
strip.
That
police
officers
have
told
him
the
same
thing
when
they
ask
them
to
arrest
or
deal
with
drunks
passed
out,
urinating
or
defecating
on
public
sidewalks
parking,
lots
and
other
business
entrances.
In
the
past
year,
one
officer
took
to
social
media
and
posted
the
following
moral
arsonists
were
arrested
last
night.
Numerous
items
recovered
if
you're
missing.
Anything
please
be
sure
to
follow
up.
T
The
individual
arrested
was
the
one
on
the
news
two
weeks
ago
and
getting
arrested
for
the
same
thing
petition
your
judges
and
ward
council
members
for
actual
action
to
be
taken
instead
of
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
This
is
from
a
police
officer
who
was
on
the
force
and
relates
to
individuals
who
were
going
in
opening
unlocked
cars
on
the
street
and
taking
things
out
rarely
anything
of
substantial
value,
but
certainly
disconcerting
and
annoying
to
residents.
C
C
So
it's
just
a
minute
since
the
mayor,
the
council
president
and
the
city
in
the
city
administrator,
and
that
is
because
you
know
I
work
in
a
council-manager
form
of
government,
and
so
my
so
I
so
in
the
city
I'm,
coming
from
a
report
directly
to
a
city
administrator,
so
so
that
that's
that
and
also
your
question
about
the
amount
of
African
Americans
in
command
positions.
That's
something
that,
in
the
system
that
I'm
coming
from
I
have
no
control
over.
C
It's
all
a
civil
service
tests,
and
so
it's
whoever
gets
the
highest
and
you
know
highest
scores
on
the
test.
That's
who
gets
the
positions,
and
so
I'm
limited
in
in
diversifying
you
know
the
upper
command
in
the
system
that
I
currently
work
in
other
than
in
encouraging
some
of
our
African
Americans
and
women
to
apply
and
to
and
to
go
along,
go
through
the
testing
and
give
them
the
training
and
resources
they
need
to
be
successful.
In
that.
C
In
regarding,
regarding
catch
and
release,
you
know
I,
guess,
there's
this
there's
two
ways
of
looking
at
that
is
the
catch
and
release
prior
to
the
individuals
being
introduced
into
the
criminal
justice
system,
or
is
it
the
catch
and
release
that,
where
they're
actually
introduced
into
the
criminal
justice
system
and
they're
released
on
on
some
sort
of
low
bond
or
no
bond
at
all
and
they're
out
to
to
engage
in
these
sorts
of
activities
again?
And
so
it's
just
just.
C
Oh
okay,
and
so
with
that
one,
it's
it's
a
matter
of
dealing
with
frustration
in
and
I
I
get
it.
Our
police
officers
are
being
tasked
with
addressing
these
quality
of
life,
claim
incidents,
and
so,
when
they
get
these,
they
work
very
very
hard
to
address
these
things.
If
somebody's
urinating,
someplace
or
they're,
making
loud
noises,
they're
they're
littering
in
places-
and
they
want
to
make
an
impact,
you
know
their
commanders
are
telling
them
every
day.
This
is
what
the
community
is
saying.
The
community
is
saying
that
these
sorts
of
things
are
very,
very
important.
C
We
have
to
take
it
to
a
bigger,
bigger
scale,
if
that's,
if
necessary,
because
if
that's
happening,
that
means
that
in
our
in
our
criminal
justice
system
there's
there
may
be,
there
needs
to
be
some
discussions
with
some
of
our
local
judges.
Maybe
they
need
to
be
some
some
more
forums,
public
forums
where
those
who
are
making
those
decisions
can
see
the
impact
that
it's
having
not
on
just
police
officers.
But
it's
happened
on
the
communities
themselves
and
do
some
lobbying
at
that
point.
C
But
you
know
we
see
it
with
a
lot
of
different
things,
not
just
with
with
the
catch
and
release.
But
when
officers
are
filling
these
types
of
frustration
they
they
must.
They
must
be
encouraged
that
they
are
doing
the
right
things
for
the
right
reasons
and
there's
some
times
that
the
system
doesn't
allow
the
outcome
that
we
want,
but
nonetheless
we
still
have
to
work
on
the
process.
T
That.
I
think
that
we
need
to
take
a
closer
look
at
and
I
think
it's
really
important
for
in
terms
of
implicit
bias
and
and
some
of
the
training
that
goes
on.
But
I
think
it's
really
important
for
our
police
officers.
Rather
than
telling
people
to
contact
their
common
council.
Member
regarding
you
know,
catch
and
release
that
there
be
a
real,
honest
dialogue
about
what
the
impact
of
that
is.
If,
if,
basically,
what
you're
saying
is
we
need
to
increase
bond
so
that
people
are.
U
T
C
Couple
of
different
ways
that
it
should
be
looked
at
first,
are
there
conditions
in
the
community
where
this
within
the
business
community,
or
whether
it's
within
our
residential
communities
that
are
contributing
to
these
types
of
things
that
are
contributing
to
drunkenness
that
are
contributing
to
to
some
of
the
larsson
ease
that
we
may
may
be
seen
that
are
contributing
to
littering
in
some
of
these
other
quality
of
life.
Complaints.
C
C
Are
there
some
appropriate
diversionary
programs
that
we
can
put
these,
that
we
can
direct
these
individuals
to
so
that
we
don't
have
this
this
cycle
continue
and
and
then
we
must
make
a
judgement.
I
mean
if
someone
is
breaking
into
a
car
or
they're
taking
somebody
somebody's
valuables,
then
we
need
to
have
an
appropriate.
T
C
Are
there
some
diversionary
programs
that
we
can
direct
some
of
the
people
to
so
that,
potentially
we
can
avoid
this
person
being
a
repeat
offender,
and
also
are
there
some
appropriate
enforcement
actions
that
need
to
be
taken
depending
on
the
severity
of
the
crimes
themselves?
And
all
of
these
things
have
to
be
communicated
to
the
folks
who
are
impacted
by
this,
whether
it's,
the
members
of
the
business
community
or
our
residents
or
our
visitors,.
F
V
Representative
Pine
Hills
neighborhood,
which
is
essentially
the
center
of
the
city
of
Albany.
It's
a
walkable,
neighborhood
and
also
I,
believe
that
is
the
pride
and
joy
of
the
city
of
Albany.
Looking
at
purchasing
the
home,
I
hope
it's
somewhere
in
the
Pine
Hills
neighborhood.
Thank
you
with
that
said.
You
know
I
want
to
commend
the
mayor
also
too,
as
it
relates
to
some
of
the
appointments
to
have
been
and
recommendations
over
the
past
couple
of
months
with
the
dgs.
Commissioner,
the
building,
of
course,
commissioner,
and
also
the
police
chief.
V
All
these
individuals
are
very
personable
and
they
have
been
doing
a
wonderful
job
over
there
as
couple
of
months
and
now
the
mayor's
recommending
you
so
I
have
high
hopes,
but
that's
it.
How
will
you
my
question
is
how
will
you
remain
independent,
an
objective
while
managing
and
balancing
competed
stakeholders
interests,
including
the
mayor,
elected
officials,
neighborhood
leaders,
residents
and
also
individuals
on
a
police
force
and
also
those
alleged
broken
individuals
who
have
broken
the
law.
C
That's
law
enforcement
that
those
interests
there
will
be
competing
interests,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
excites
me
about
being
a
police
chief
is
being
able
to
take
these
competing
interests
and
finding
a
common
ground
finding
what's
common
in
the
interests
of
all
of
the
different
stakeholders
and
and
bringing
these
stakeholders
together
to
resolve
whatever
types
of
challenges
or
issues
that
may
be
happening
in
a
community,
and
so
you
know,
I've
got
a
great
deal
of
experience
in
doing
that.
It's
it's
very,
very
exciting.
It
involves
a
you
know.
Great
deal
of.
C
We
talked
about
this
continuously
tonight,
but
a
great
deal
of
listening
a
great
deal
about
understanding.
You
know
the
culture
of
a
community,
the
culture
of
an
organization
and
in
finding
out
with
the
common
with
the
common
goals
are
and
how
we
can
bring
in
how
we
can
bring
these
common
interests
together
in
order
to
address
these
common
goals.
Thank.
V
You
recently
in
Albany,
rather
than
focus
on
solutions,
we
try
to
resolve
issues
by
shutting
down
McDonald's
near
Albany,
high
school
shuts
down
each
day.
As
soon
as
students
are
dismissed,
we
put
dumpsters
on
basketball
courts
to
prevent
a
tournament.
How
can
we
change
policy
tactics
in
a
way
that
solves
problems
instead
of
just
running
from
them?.
C
We
have
to.
We
have
to
recognize
that
it
resists
resist
the
impulse
to
have
short-term
solutions
for
for
issues
or
challenges
that
are
deeply
rooted,
because
oftentimes,
a
short-term
solution
could
have
some
unintended
effects
that
there
could
have
negative
impact
on
relations
and
in
resolving
issues,
while
balancing
that,
with
with
the
fact
that
that
that
sometimes
depending
on
the
circumstances,
a
short-term
fix
for
that
particular
problem.
If
it's,
if
the
messaging
is
right
and
if
it
is
and
if
it
is
implemented
correctly,
could
prevent
an
issue,
a
short-term
issue
from
occurring.
C
So
we
have
to
balance
all
those
types
of
things.
But
but
to
answer
your
question
more
broadly,
you
know
it's
important
that
any
any
decisions
that
that
are
made
by
any
municipal
organization
that
that
the
organization
understands
the
impact
that
that
that
that
decision
could
have
on
the
people
that
that
we're
serving
the
perceptions
that
that
decision
could
have.
And
we
got
to
be
acutely
aware
of
certain
some
of
those
sorts
of
things.
C
So
so
that
has
to
be
a
part
of
our
decision-making
process
and
not
only
the
the
actual
strategic
things
that
we're
doing
in
order
to
resolve
the
problem,
but
how?
How
would
this
be
perceived
in
the
community?
Will
this
offend
members
of
our
community?
Will
this
serve
as
a
barrier
to
members
of
our
community
working
with
us
going
forward
and
have
that
way
into
our
decision-making
process?
C
V
Just
follow
all
right
thing
just
to
follow:
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you
as
an
educator.
Safety
and
security
within
our
schools
is
a
prime
concern.
As
I
mentioned
the
significant
issues
during
dismissal,
there
was
a
situation
last
year
during
the
fire
drill
where
several
fights
broke
out
and
several
students
were
arrested.
C
Right,
thank
you
and
I
have
a
system
where
I'm
coming
from
this
very
similar
to
the
system
that
you
have
here
in
Albany,
in
whereby
the
superintendent
of
the
schools
is
that
in
the
school
system
itself
is
a
totally
separate
entity
from
the
municipal
government
and
and
so
and
so
and
so
and
I've
gone
through
since
I've,
been
chief
I've
gone
through
three
superintendents,
every
single
one
of
those
superintendents
I've
had
a
very
personal
relationship
with
it.
With
that
person
in
terms
of
us
making
sure
we
share
information,
you
know,
we've
got
our.
C
C
If
I'm
saying
some
things
that
may
cause
concern
like
the
issue
with
potentially
students
having
problems
that
some
restaurants
that
are
around
campus,
you
know
we
can
immediately
start
talking
about
these,
these
sorts
of
things,
because
it
could
have
a
negative
impact
on
our
children
on
introducing
our
children
to
the
criminal
justice
system.
When,
when
maybe
there,
there
were
some
other
ways
of
doing
some
things
where
that
should
not
have
happened,
the
safety
and
security
of
our
children,
because
when
things
are
happening
out
in
some
of
these
places,
then
our
children
could
get
hurt.
J
H
Moreover,
thank
you
for
considering
Albany
as
a
place
to
utilize
your
talents
and
your
experience,
addressing
the
challenges
of
policing,
I.
Think
I
only
really
have
one
question
for
you
and
it's
promised
an
experience.
The
last
time
that
I
did
a
ride-along
with
the
Albany
Police
Department.
The
two
most
important
events
that
were
confronted
in
that
particular
night
both
dealt
with
mental
health
issues
and
the
one
was
an
overdose.
H
And
although
it's
the
fire
department
with
the
paramedics
who
did
all
the
medical
interventions,
it
was
really
the
dispatchers
and
the
police
department
that
used
their
skills
to
gain
access
through
the
landlord
to
the
apartment,
so
that
the
Peruvian
interventions
could
be
utilized
by
the
fire
department.
I
was
impressed
and
it
to
me
demonstrated
and
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
taught
or
just
you
know,
learn
by
experience,
but
that
they
did
have
an
understanding
and
a
sensitivity
to
the
mental
health
issue
that
resulted
in
an
overdose.
H
The
other
incident
was
with
a
juvenile
facility
in
Albany,
st.
Anne's,
which
has
court
referred
girls
in
it,
and
that
was
also
a
intervention
where
the
police
department,
so
we
de-escalated
a
fight
successfully.
Nobody
was
arrested,
nobody
was
injured
and
no
certainly
no
lethal
force
in
a
personal
skill.
H
So
I
guess
my
question
is
the
importance
of
mental
health,
training,
mental
health
awareness
and
I
guess.
My
other
question
is:
what
struck
me
is
a
little
bit
odd,
but
I
guess
it's
very
often
in
Albany
that
the
police
get
called
to
help
intervene
in
mental
health
incidents
taking
place
in
mental
health
license
facilities,
their
juvenile
license
facilities.
So
I
was
kind
of
wondering
whether
that's
an
experience
which
you
have
and
occasionally
I
read
about
it
happening.
H
C
Right,
but
thank
you,
I
started
to
see
early
on
when
I
was
appointed
chief
about
almost
six
years
ago.
That
I
was
seeing
increasingly
amount
of
negative
interactions
between
my
police
officers
and
individuals
who
had
mental
health
issues,
and
it
was
resulting
in
more
use
of
force
types
of
complaints
where
officers
and
those
who
had
mental
health
challenges
were
being
injured.
It
was
resulting
in
situations
where
we
had
this
revolving
door
of
individuals.
C
C
And
it
was,
it
was
so
valuable
and
it
allowed
me
to
bring
that
perspective
back
to
my
Police,
Department
and
I
start
doing
things
both
formally
and
informally,
to
adjust
some
of
the
some
of
the
practices
in
the
policies
and
in
the
in
the
perspectives
that
some
of
our
officers
had,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
did
right
away.
What
started
training
all
of
my
officers
where,
as
many
as
I
could
in
this
process,
is
going
on
right
now
in
in
this,
the
crisis
intervention
team
model.
C
Where
officers
understand
the
you
know,
some
of
the
challenges
that
that
individuals
who
have
mental
challenges
have
and
and
they're
able
to
use
the
appropriate
law
enforcement
response
to
it
that
de-escalate
some
of
these
behaviors
and
gets
these
individuals
the
help
that
they
need
instead
of
an
arrest
as
long
as
they
did
not
involve
some
violent
offense
and
so
it
so
we
started
to
see
that
the
numbers
of
officers
and
individuals
with
challenge
and
mental
health
challenges,
the
number
of
injuries
of
those
parties
started
to
decrease
substantially.
By
doing
just
what
you
said.
C
A
lot
of
it
is
just
interpersonal
communication
skills
in
order
to
deescalate,
and
then
one
thing
that
I
was
very
very
pleased
about
is
I
started
to
get
letters
from
family
members
of
those
who
had
mental
challenges
about
three
or
four
years,
and
that
we
never
got
letters
saying
you
know.
We
are
so
thankful
that
your
officers,
you
know,
responded
the
way
that
they
did
with
my
son
or
my
daughter
or
my
husband,
because
I
had
to
call,
because
my
son,
husband
or
daughter
was
out
of
control.
C
We
we
had
situations
where
we
would
have
a
person
that
had
a
mental
health
challenge
and
they
would
commit
a
non-violent
offense
and
we
would
respond,
and
we
would
know
that
the
appropriate
response
for
this
particular
situation
was
to
get
this
person
help
person.
They
need
to
be
arrested,
and
we
would
do
just
that
and
the
folk,
the
folks
who
were
who
were
the
victims
so
to
speak
in
this
non
violent
crime,
whether
it
be
you
know,
a
minor
theft
or
littering
things
like
that,
they
didn't
understand.
They
didn't
understand.
Why?
Why
why?
C
C
To
our
communities
that
this
is
something
that
that
will
help
us
to
not
have
this
this.
This
vicious
cycle
of
individuals
that
have
been
arrested
and
coming
back
and
doing
the
same
thing
and
the
message
to
our
officers
that
it
has
some
benefits
as
well.
So
so
I'm,
a
strong
supporter
of
it
and
that's
chief
in
Albany,
is
something
that
I'm
committed
to
as
well.
A
N
Chief,
just
one
question:
you
know
we
heard
some
council
members
talk
about
the
diversity
issue
and
I
asked
the
fire
chief
as
well
the
same
question
a
lot
of
times.
When
we
talk
about
diversity
and
our
public
safety
jobs.
You
know
we
all.
We
all
give
good
faith
effort
and
a
good
faith
effort
has
proven
that
it
doesn't
work
and
I
told
the
fire
chief.
This
and
I
will
ask
you
this
as
well.
Since
good-faith
effort
has
not
worked,
the
numbers
have
not
grown
they've
gotten
worse.
N
We
all
know
it's
just
not
taking
a
civil
service
test
is
the
issue
and
part
of
the
good-faith
effort
is
tracking
that
data
and
using
that
data.
As
a
way
to
make
sure
diversity
happens,
so
my
question
to
you
is:
would
you
be
willing
to
accept
or
sit
down
and
go
over
a
proven
plan
and
implement
that
plan
on
real
dealing
with
the
lack
of
diversity
on
our
Police
Department?
Okay,.
C
Thank
you
and
short
answer
is
yes,
absolutely
I
mean
if
there,
if
there
are
some
some
proven
studies
or
plans
that
could
address
an
issue
that
is
recognized
in
this
industry,
then
then
absolutely
I
mean
it's,
but
of
course
I
mean.
If
the
plan
has
to
be
constitutional,
it
has
to
be
fair
and
unbiased,
and
all
those
other
types
of
things
I
think
that
that
sometimes
is
a
challenge
which
these
things
it
has
to
be
practical
in
a
sense
and
so-so,
but
absolutely
any
any
any
ideas
for
for
increasing
diversity
in
a
law
enforcement
agency.
C
Absolutely
I
would
be
willing
to
listen
to
that.
But
but
let
me
say
this
though
we
there
is
where
I'm
coming
from
one
of
the
things
I
recognize
is
that
racial
diversity
is
not
the
only
type
of
type
of
diversity
that
a
law
enforcement
agency
needs
very,
very
important
in
terms
of
representing
racially
representing
the
demographics
of
your
community,
but
just
as
important
in
an
organization
like
a
law
enforcement
agency.
Is
this
other
type
of
diversity
as
well?
I
mean
you
know,
you
got
diversity
of
thought.
C
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
started
doing
is
recruiting
individuals
who
are
in
different
fields.
You
know
folks
who
who
may
have
background
backgrounds
in
engineering
or
architecture
award,
folks
who
may
have
got
started
out
wanting
to
be
nurses
or
since
things
like
that
to
bring
that
type
of
diversity.
You
know
you
got
diversity.
You
know
sexual
orientation
divert
diversity.
You
know
you
know
gender
diversity.
C
A
A
M
M
Thank
all
of
you,
first
of
all,
as
members
of
the
Common
Council,
both
older
members
and
newer
members,
of
which
there
are
many
this
in
in
the
new
council
class
for
all
the
good,
diligent
efforts
to
improve
conditions
in
our
neighbourhoods.
I'm
a
40
year
resident
of
the
city
of
Albany
and
an
active
member
of
the
Pine
Hills
neighborhood
association,
the
Helderberg,
Neighborhood,
Association
and
I
am
also
an
active
member
since
1976
of
the
Council
of
all
the
neighborhood
associations.
M
We
speak
this
this
evening
about
the
confirmation
and
the
employment
of
Eric
Hawkins,
as
chief
of
the
Albany
Police
Department
and,
like
others
here,
I
think
we're
very
impressed
with
his
grasp
of
the
knowledge
and
his
his
ideas
on
how
to
what
continue
to
improve
our
Police
Department
I
was
shocked,
I'm
in
a
state
of
shock.
Quite
frankly,
for
the
last
month
and
Kathy
was
talking
about
violence
in
her
own
statement
and
since
the
since
the
fourth
of
July,
when
basically
our
many
of
our
neighborhoods
were
turned
upside
down.
M
The
the
community
went
into
a
state
of
grieving.
There
were
monuments
at
each
one
of
the
sites
we
are
where
murders
had
occurred.
Last
evening,
I
was
coming
back
from
200
Henry
Johnson,
Boulevard
and
I
happened
to
make
a
turn.
I
went
up,
Livingston
Avenue
and
it
Meredith
made
a
turn
at
Judson
Street
and,
as
I
was
coming
down.
M
M
L
E
Good
evening
my
name
is
Andrew
Harvey
I'm,
president
of
the
Park
South
Neighborhood
Association
I'm,
hearing
a
lot
about
community
policing
this
evening
and
I.
Think
the
members
of
the
Park
South
Neighborhood
Association
will
be
really
enthused
to
hear
about
all
the
ideas
that
are
being
bandied
about
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
continue
to
build
on
what
we've
constructed
to
date.
E
For
example,
we
regularly
have
a
neighborhood
engagement
officer
appear
at
our
neighborhood
association
meetings.
Now,
what
is
the
value
of
that?
Well,
it's
a
really
great
grassroots
way
for
a
police
officer
to
get
to
know
a
community
and
what
the
concerns
are.
A
relationship
is
built
and
to
have
that
going
forward
in
a
solid
and
effective
way,
helps
deal
with
issues
and
nip
them
in
the
bud
as
they
show
up
so
continued
focus
on
that
would
be
really
really
beneficial.
E
E
W
W
W
Thank
you.
I
first
got
involved
with
police
affairs
in
New
York
when
I
was
hired
by
DCJS
back
in
1986.
This
serves
as
an
advisor
to
our
municipal
police
executives
around
the
state
on
civil
rights,
litigation
against
municipalities,
for
violations
of
people's
civil
rights
by
largely
police
officers.
That
was
our
biggest
problem
in
those
days
and
after
two
years,
I
left
it
because
we
created
the
accreditation
program
which
our
Police
Department
is
involved
in
today.
But
it
was
back
in
those
days
probably
around
1990.
W
So
it
was
very
frustrating
for
many
years,
because
God
worked
in
those
days
for
Mario
Cuomo's
administration
and
his
administration
never
took
interest
in
it.
Governor
Pataki
had
very
different
ideas
about
criminal
justice,
so
I
didn't
expect
anything
from
him,
and
then
we
had
four
years
of
commotion
at
the
state
level,
the
governor's
office,
with
some
things
that
happened
there,
but
the
thing
that
I
had
noticed
through
all
of
this
time
was
you
know,
I'd
gotten
to
know
police
executives
from
all
over
the
state
and
many
other.
W
Hawkins
said,
even
out
in
Detroit,
they've
heard
of
us
and
that's
something
to
be
very
proud
of.
I.
Think
all
the
members
of
the
council
president
past
been
involved
in
that
deserve
a
lot
of
credit
for
that,
along
with
a
lot
of
the
people
here
in
the
community
who
went
to
the
trouble
to
learn
what
kind
of
options
we
have
for
different
and
better
policing
and
knew
what
to
ask
for.
So
when
we
have
had
these
decisions
to
fill
this
vacancy
we've
been
getting
excellent
people
better
and
better.
W
O
My
name
is
Merton
Simpson
I
live
at
295,
Sheridan
Avenue
and
on
the
Albany
County
Legislature
for
the
second
District
and
I'm.
Also
the
former
chief
diversity
officer
for
New
York
State,
so
I'd
like
to
chime
in
on
president
Ellis's
comment
that
there
are
ways
of
getting
more
diversity
for
people
of
color
other
than
this
using
standard
written
civil
service
tests
and
I
would
be
willing
to
offer
my
services
to
work
with
anybody
towards
that
effort.
O
But
I
think
we
can
say
that
Albany
has
made
some
progress,
particularly
with
community
policing
I
remember
working
years
ago,
back
in
the
very
late
80s
and
90s,
where
dr.
green
and
Vera
Michelson
dealing
with
issues
like
Jesse
Davis,
a
person
who
was
mentally
ill,
who
was
killed
in
his
own
home.
We
have
the
more
recent
experience
of
Dante
Ivey,
who
did
have
mental
challenges
and
whose
life
was
taken.
And
then
we
have
the
incident
to
happen
yesterday
and
we
don't
know
all
the
facts
about
that
yet.
O
But
what
I
can
say
is
that
community
policing
has
been
a
positive
improvement
over
the
some
of
the
things
that
have
happened
in
previous
years.
But
there's
still
the
issue
of
accountability
for
excessive
force
and
that's
an
issue
that
I
think
the
chief
really
needs
to
deal
with.
I
think
there's
reason
to
believe
that
the
chief
will
walk
the
talk
that
he
presented,
but
there's
still
the
larger
issue
of
organizational
culture.
O
The
United
States
military
has
a
zero-tolerance
policy
towards
sexual
harassment,
yet
Department
of
the
defense
documents
that
there's
still
horrific
levels
of
sexual
abuse
and
discrimination
that
exceeds
anything
in
the
movie,
GI
Jane,
and
so
the
issue
of
organizational
culture
is
important
with
the
kind
of
leadership
that
the
chief
suggests.
We
can
believe
that
we
will
make
advances
in
the
quality
of
policing
that
we
have,
but
there's
still
the
issue
of
holding
accountable
properly
people
who
take
the
lives
of
innocent
non
violence.
O
Civilians
when
there
are
alternatives,
there
have
been
situations
where
live,
snipers,
have
shot
rounds
and
have
been
able
to
be
apprehended
without
a
loss
of
life
and
the
continued
national
problem
of
people
of
color
being
killed.
Who
are
no
threat
who
are
not
violent
and
and
yet
there's.
No
accountability
needs
to
be
addressed.
So
I'm
hopeful
that
the
chief
will
address
the
most
immediate
situation
that
occurred.
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Danielle
Haley
I
reside
at
46
Myrtle
Ave
I
would
really
urge
this
council
to
postpone
the
actual
vote
for
confirmation
I'm
a
little
disappointed
that
the
the
chief
candidate
hasn't
been
made
available
to
the
public
at
a
forum
or
at
some
point
where
he
could
speak,
and
maybe
questions
could
be
taken
either
written
or
in
some
other
form.
From
the
larger
majority
of
the
of
the
group,
I
mean
we've.
J
I've
heard
a
couple
of
things
that
were
a
bit
of
concern
to
me
in
both
the
first,
the
first
press
conference,
and
here
today
he's
spoken,
a
lot
about
him
being
extremely
excited
to
work
with
the
community
he's
ready
and
willing
to
begin
partnering.
I
wish
I
could
start
right
now.
I'm
passion
about
community
policing.
J
J
You
know
not
not
seeing
that
many
of
the
racial
complaints
are
actually
racial
involved.
I
think
that
I
felt
a
look
like
that
was
a
little
bit
minimized.
That
gives
me
some
concern.
I,
just
I
think
that
more
opportunity
needs
to
be
given
to
the
community
and
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
him
to
see
how
you
know
he
what
stand
he
takes
on
other
issues
and
before
this
this
body
actually
makes
a
decision.
Thank
you.
X
Good
evening,
well
can
I
get
that
one-minute
warning
as
well.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
James
Davis
I'm
born
and
raised
in
the
city
of
Albany
I
live
on
90
dove
Street
I've
been
an
activist
in
the
community
for
quite
some
time
now,
ten
years,
not
not
as
nearly
as
long
as
others,
I'm
32
years
old
I
have
noticed.
Some
very
detrimental
city
of
Albany
I
want
to
speak
on
change
and
we
all
have
the
same
share
concerns
and
issues
about.
X
K
P
J
J
X
X
X
To
take
only
ones
fancies
I'm
here
to
deal
with
some
things:
I
have
four
children,
I
have
a
wife
here
and
I
plan
on
doing
a
lot
of
great
things
in
the
city
of
Albany.
We
have
issues
with
our
youth
behavior
issues,
conduct
issues
more
issues,
value
issues
in
our
city
in
the
community,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
there
is
attention
that
is
me.
We
speak
about
all
these
issues.
Thank
you
right.
We
speak
about
all
these
issues.
X
We
all
know
these
things,
but
I
think
if
we
won't
put
more
of
a
sacrifice,
a
commitment
and
the
effort
that
we
all
portray
to
fix
them.
Things
gonna
happen,
and
you
know
I'm
just
here.
You
know
I'm
on
the
front
line
every
day.
Some
of
y'all
may
know
me
something
I,
may
don't
I
deal
with
these
issues
every
day,
I
deal
with
these
issues
every
day,
I
give
kids
healthy
alternatives
to
the
dissonance
that
they
face.
X
Parents,
everything
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
cries
are
not
heard
and
concerns
are
not
being
tooken
into
account.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
the
city
of
Albany,
the
south
fan
the
Arbor
Hill
area.
If
we
want
to
make
change,
I
think
we
need
to
stop
dealing
with
the
effects
of
it,
because
we
all
can
talk
about
the
effects
and
give
these
healthy
alternatives,
and
these
nice
little
cliches
to
what
needs
to
be
done.
X
Well,
who
gonna
put
up
the
only
boots,
who's
gonna
get
out
there,
who's
gonna
start
doing
some
work
with
me.
Cuz
I
need
some
help.
I
do,
and
this
is
why
I'm
here
I'm
here
to
voice
my
opinion.
Let
you
guys
know
that
you
know
there
are
residents
who
want
to
make
a
difference.
We
want
to
make
a
change,
who
need
your
help,
we'll
need
your
participation,
but
we're
all
cognitive
that
there
is
a
dissonance.
There
is
a
lack
of
understanding
and
transparency
amongst
us.
Mr.
Y
Well,
let
me
be
quick
about
it,
basically
in
the
future,
when
you
do
such
events
like
this
piggybacking
up,
because
again,
the
public
was
disservice
by
this
process.
Piggybacking
on
what
Danielle
said
when
you
do
events
like
this,
the
voice
of
the
people
should
be
heard.
First,
not
last.
The
people's
concerns
have
been
put
before
the
commentary,
the
questions
of
this
body,
because
you
work
for
us.
We
don't
work
for
you,
he
works
for
us.
We
don't
work
for
them.
Our
concern
should
have
been
heard
first
and
that's
one
as
a
valid
concern.
Y
It
was
raised
that
the
public's
hasn't
had
a
real
chance.
The
public
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
vet
to
chief
I,
am
a
supported
in
chief
I,
like
what
I've
seen
I
like
what
I've
heard
I
like
what
I've
researched,
so
that's
kind
of
water
under
the
bridge,
but
in
the
future
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
The
public's
waste
should
always
be
first,
but
welcome
to
omni
chief.
My
name
is
Marlon
Anderson.
Hopefully,
you
won't
see
too
much
of
me,
because
that
will
cut
into
my
drinking
time,
but
I.
Y
Think
you're
gonna
see
a
lot
of
me.
Basically
what
we
have
in
this
city
and
all
seriousness.
It's
a
part
and
parcel
distribution,
tradition
of
policing
in
this
city,
which
has
created
an
adversarial
and
negative
relationship
and
boy
and
though
the
four
Chiefs
prior
to
you
have
done
everything
they
can
to
address
this.
They
have
been
at
a
debt.
Y
They
have
been
at
a
disadvantage
because
of
that
tradition
of
adversarial
policing
in
this
city
and
what
you're
going
to
need
to
do
and
what
I
would
advocate
for
you
to
do
when
you're
meeting
with
the
public
I
would
say
not
go
preaching
to
the
choir,
which
is
the
neighborhood
associations,
and
things
like
that.
But
I
need
you
to
put
your
boots
on
the
ground.
L
Y
Up
residence
in
someplace
like
West,
Hill
or
south,
because
this
community
has
no
faith
or
hope
or
reliance
upon
us
relationship
with
the
police,
department
or
government
and
gentlemen.
That
is
the
main
problem
we
have.
There
is
no
belief
and
no
faith,
and
if
you
want
to
gather
data
like
president
lssa,
do
what
police
do
when
police
look
for
information,
they
don't
go
to
studies,
they
go
out
to
the
public.
They
find
somebody
to
get
the
information
from
go
to
the
public,
find
out.
What's
the
problem
directly
to
them,.
J
Y
A
So,
thank
you.
Mr.
Anderson
I'm
just
want
to
clarify
two
points,
and
this
is
General
General
for
the
public.
Historically,
our
our
committee
meetings
are
formatted
in
which
council
members
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions,
and
then
the
floor
is
open
to
the
public.
We
will
take
into
consideration
your
comments
about
restructuring
our
meetings.
Lastly,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
concern
for
me
as
a
woman
who
is
carrying,
but
I
am
fully
capable
to
to
get
out
in
the
field.
So
thank
you
very
much.
U
Appears
I'm
Vera,
Michaelson,
13,
Pennsylvania
Avenue
and
that's
the
West
Hill
section
of
the
city,
so
I
I
have
a
few
things.
I
just
wanted
to
say
in
terms
of
some
suggestions,
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
talked
about
in
the
community
for
years
we
some
have
been
worked
on.
Some
need
to
be
worked
on,
but
one
is
a
question
that
came
up
and
it
was
that
we
actually
had
a
like
a
community
meeting
on
it
years
ago,
but
I
think
it's
time
for
a
refresher.
Where
are
these
guns
coming
from
people?
U
I
mean
there's
all
kinds
of
theories.
There's
all
kinds
of
conversations
going
on.
You
know
that
are
not
happening
publicly,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
that
conversation
started
to
to
become
a
little
more
public
and
a
little
more
transparent,
because
that's
part
of
the
issue.
The
second
is
that
we've
talked
about
for
a
long
time
is
getting
the
neighborhood
engagement.
Cops
that
are
out
there
are,
you
know,
most
of
the
neighborhoods
love.
U
They're
cops
they're
there,
any
you
cops
and
and
if
there's
complaints
about
it,
you
often
hear
people
say
like
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
love,
I
love,
my
neighborhood
engagement
cop,
but
you
know,
and
then
then
they'll
say
what
the
issue
is.
So
the
issue
here
has
been
that
we
haven't
got
the
patrol
guys
out
of
their
cars
and
at
the
meetings
and
in
the
neighborhoods
and
some
of
these
events
in
a
way
that
they
can
really
get
to
know
that
people.
U
That's
difficult
in
terms
of
scheduling
and
deploying
and
all
of
that,
but
if
there
could
be
some
more
serious
look
at
that
in
terms
of
the
ability
to
get
these
cops
that
are
on
patrol
that
are
just
you
know,
hitting
an
area
to
get
get
them
to
know
the
community
better.
And
the
third
thing
is
that
we
haven't
have
had
an
implicit
bias,
training
and
all
the
police
officers
have
been
trained
and
implicit
bias
and
there's
apparently
there's
a
refresher.
U
It's
an
online
refresher.
So
if
you
could
look
into
I
mean
many
of
us
just
don't
think
that
online
refreshers,
an
implicit
bias,
really
do
anything,
but
it's
something
that
has
to
be
refreshed
continuously
and
then
in
the
implicit
bias
training.
Is
there
a
way
because
I
don't
think
that
this
this
particular
training
dealt
with
it?
But
is
there
a
way
to
talk
about
it
when
it
comes
to
the
use
of
force?
You
know
when
it
gets
to
that
point.
U
Not
just
you
know
the
initial
observation
of
a
person
and
the
initial
conversation,
but
I
think
is
there
a
way
to
do
that?
You
know
maybe
with
another
officer
and
then
someone
who's
well
trained
and
implicit
bias
training.
We
do
actually
have
someone,
but
so
that
that's
that
and
the
fourth
thing
is
and
I
have
never
agree
with
Marlon
more
than
I
do
right
now.
I
think
it
would
be
perfect
for
you
to
go
out
in
the
streets
and
meet
people
and
I
say
this,
because
we
had
I
don't
know
so.
U
S
S
You
know
it's
interesting,
because
I
always
like
to
learn
about
our
public
officials
and
where
they've
come
from
and
what
the
media
take
on
them
on
what
their
actions
were,
and
it
just
struck
me
that
when
I
looked
at
the
way,
the
Detroit
press
and
other
Oakland
Tribune
and
other
newspapers
in
your
neck
of
the
woods
talked
about
it.
There
was
in
2011
and
2012
the
beginning
of
2011.
S
In
the
end
of
2012,
there
was
crazed,
gunman
who've,
come
into
your
police
station
and
shot
the
place
up
and
shot
up
your
and
and
injured
some
officers.
But
after
the
2011
incident
you
there
was
really
no
action
to
renovate
the
lobby
and
I
was
interesting.
It
was
interesting
to
note
that
when
you
know
one
of
the
bullet
points
in
the
mayor's
release
was
that
you
spent
$600
on
lobby
renovation,
and
that
was
like
a
highlight
for
you
and
I'm
thinking.
What
so
now?
S
I
understand
why
you
had
to
spend
$600,000
on
lobby
renovation,
but
it
wasn't
out
there
in
the
public
unless
I
missed
something
that
you
had
to
deal
with
these
these
issues
of
having
a
more
open
police
station
and
now
is
you
know,
I
presume
it
sounded
like
it
was
a
closed.
It's
it's
closed
off
more.
You
probably
need
more
security.
You
probably
need
other
measures
to
get
in
it's
not
as
easy
for
the
public
to
get
in
I'm
presuming
600
thousands,
a
lot
of
money,
so
I'm
just
wondering
why
this
wasn't
brought
up.
S
S
This
person
who
looks
at
a
beautiful
mosaic
ceiling
and
they
see
a
chip
in
the
corner
and
they
focus
on
the
chip
in
the
corner.
Okay,
I'm,
not
being
the
tile
man.
You
know
here
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
understand
that
I
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
you
have
to
deal
with,
but
I
really
have
reservations,
and
it's
a
big
one
that
you
didn't
act
sooner
to
renovate
the
lobby
to
prevent
one
of
your
officers
from
being
shot
and
preventing
this
deranged
man
from
coming
in
I.
S
A
You
so
we've
heard
I
heard
I
have
heard
and
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
have
heard
you
all
loud
and
clear
about
the
opportunity
to
hear
more
from
mr.
Hawkins
I
think
it's
appropriate,
given
some
of
the
questions
and
statements
made
that
mr.
Hawkins
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
final
remarks
and
and
address
any
of
those.
Should
you
choose
mr.
Hawkins.
C
And
it's
the
concern
about
reaching
out
to
members
of
the
community
and
reaching
out
to
the
members
of
the
community.
First,
obviously,
that's
a
procedural
issue
with
the
council
that
I
can't
speak
to,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
my
track
record
has
always
been
working
with
the
community
and
working
with
the
community
on
concerns
that
our
community
have
in
a
substantive
way
and
not
simply
hearing
what
these
things
are
and
and
shelving
them.
C
C
You
know
I'm
the
first
to
recognize
and
to
and
to
acknowledge
that
those
things
are
real
issues
and,
if
I,
and
if
that
was
in
and
I
apologize,
if
that
was
conveyed
in
a
way
in
any
other
way
to
any
members
of
our
community.
That
is
it's
absolutely
an
issue
in
our
community,
in
policing
in
America
and
I,
recognize
that
and
I've
done,
some
things
to
minimize
the
impact
that
can
have
in
police
organizations.
C
C
My
practice
where
some
of
those
things
were
something
other
than
what
they
were
and
corrections
were
made
because,
as
I've
said
before,
perception
is
reality
and
if
things
are
done,
where
any
members
of
our
community
perceived
that
police
actions
are
inappropriate
in
any
kind
of
way,
then
their
reality
with
the
way
they
perceive.
It
becomes
a
reality
and
that's
something
we
have
to
deal
with
so
so
I
only
meant
it
in
that.
C
In
that
context,
and
I
and
I
repeat
my
by
no
means
have
have
or
no
never
will
I
never
will
I
minimize
the
impact
of
racial
bias
in
policing
an
American
I'm
always
doing
things
to
make
sure
that
any
bias
whatever
it
is
in
policing
that
we
address
those
things
and
we
make
the
appropriate
adjustments
and
regarding
the
lobby's
shooting
the
the
speaker
was,
the
resident
was
absolutely
right.
We
we
had
a
in
an
incident
happened.
C
Law
enforcement
agencies,
at
least
in
the
region
where
I
come
from,
are
very
the
police
station's
themselves
are
very
open
and
they've
been
like
that
for
the
last
20
or
30
years,
and
it's
and
it's
for
the
reason
being
is
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
we
had
an
open
and
inviting
environment
for
members
of
our
community.
We
didn't
want,
you
know
most
police
agencies
in
the
region.
I
come
from.
Have
this
idea
that
we
want
police,
we
want
people
to
be
comfortable
coming
to
our
police
stations.
C
We
don't
want
it
to
seem,
like
you
know,
it's
some
kind
of
fortress
when
they
come
in
there
and
that
we
don't
trust
our
public
and
things
like
that,
and
so
that
was
the
thought
process
for
decades
and
the
department
that
I'm
coming
from
that's
how
that
police
department
was
constructed
back
in
the
in
the
mid
to
late
70s,
and
it
was
never
a
problem.
You
know
we
had
great
community
relations.
We
and
still
do
we
people
coming
into
the
station
who
felt
like
it
was
an
inviting
place.
C
A
G
A
You
councilman
Hoey.
We
have
set
a
second
from
councilman
Kimbrough.
Is
there
any
discussion
all
in
favor
aye,
with
that
we
successfully
vote
out
of
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
this
resolution?
This
concludes
our
public
safety
portion
of
the
meeting.
We
want
to
thank
the
public
for
being
here.
We
will
take
a
5-minute
break
to
transition
into
our
special
Common
Council
meeting
and
you
all
are
welcome
to
stay
for
our
common
for
Common
Council
meeting.
Thank
you.