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Day 2 of interviewing candidates for the City of Albany Violence Prevention Task Force
B
C
Let's
give
it
another
minute
to
see
if
well,
actually,
sonja's
gonna
be
late
if
she
does
make
it.
So
let
me
just
give
a
minute
for
for
alfredo.
C
C
Okay,
so
I'll
just
do
the
intros
and
add
people
as
they
come
welcome
to
the
today
thursday
december
10th,
the
meeting
of
albany
common
council's
public
safety
committee,
we're
meeting
to
review
applications
for
applicants
to
the
violence
prevention
task
force
for
the
record
myself,
kelly,
kimbrough
chairs,
here,
council
members,
hoey
and
igo,
who
were
public
safety
committee
members,
along
with
our
staff,
michelle
andre,
our
legislative
aide
and
our
attorney
general
rafael,
picardo.
C
And
as
numbers
come
we'll
just
add
them
and
again
we're
looking
to
add
members
to
this
violence,
prevention
task.
E
C
Yeah,
I
think,
if
we
just
kind
of
flow
and
do
the
same
thing,
we
did
yesterday
that
I
think
that
would
be
good,
and
I
I
mean
we
have
some
different
folks
here.
If
different
questions
come
up,
that's
you
know,
that's
fine,
also,
but
try
to.
I
think
we
should
try
to
stay
in
somewhat
in
line
with
what
we
were
doing
yesterday
to
be
fair.
C
From
different
backgrounds,
which
is
just
what
we
need
so
that'll
be
good,
and
so
michelle
for
so
this
this
is,
we
take
out,
dr
rigberg,
and
so
what
do
we
do?
We
move
everyone
up,
or
are
we
just
going
to
have
that
time
in
between
mr
pratt
and
mr
wallston
we're.
C
F
What
was
sonia's
first
question:
she's
not
gonna,
be
here,
was
always
a
good
lead-in.
C
Oh
exactly
right,
yeah,
I
didn't
even
let
me
let
me
think
about
that.
G
C
It
was
something
along
the
lines
of
wasn't.
C
That's
brainstorming
here
it
was
in
that
vein,
but
I
think
it
was
also
what
maybe,
what
would
you
change
or
something
like
that
so
yeah
we'll
work
it
out.
F
So
our
first
one
is
going
to
be
joseph.
I
C
C
A
little
tech
appears
we've
been
joined
by
chief
farmer
of
the
city
doctor
dorothy
pliers
good
evening,
dr
clear.
C
We
can
do
that,
but
certainly
as
the
director
of
of
the
facility
out
there,
the
juvenile
security
yeah
detention
he's
gotta.
C
We
are
also
joined
by
committee
member,
alfredo
ballerin
council
member
ballerin
good
evening.
C
C
D
Yes,
but
do
you
want
to
start
by
accident
some
of
the
questions
you
had
about
the
equity
agenda?
Some
of
the
confusion
to
oh
doctor.
Please,
because
these
meetings
might
run
a
little
long
tonight,
so.
C
Right
and-
and
so
we
had
a
question
about
the
number
of
of
public
safety
members,
some
of
this
stuff
jr
was
kind
enough
to
to
reach
out
to
dr,
please
for
us
earlier
to
to
get
some.
Some
clarity.
Are
you
there
with
this
doctor
appliers.
H
I'm
sorry,
president,
I
missed
your
question.
C
No,
no,
I
I
was
just
checking
to
see
if
you
were
there
the
question.
No,
we
yesterday
we
were
kicking
around
questions
of
trying
to
narrow
down.
You
know,
intentions
and
what
what
goes
where,
like?
We
had
the
the
question
about
number
of
intended
public
safety
committee
members
to
be
that
that
would
be
a
part
of
the
group
that
that
was
one
one
of
the
issues
or
it
wasn't.
C
An
issue
was
just
the
question
of
the
thing
is
we're
trying
to
define
this
as
we
go
along
and
we're
just
trying
to
get
some
input
from
you
as
the
creator
of
of
this,
to
try
to
stay
true
to
your
ideas
about
how
this
should
go.
H
I
appreciate
that,
and
so
it
was
my
understanding
that
there
was
one
of
the
questions
was
about,
for
example,
members
of
the
public
safety
committee,
and
does
that
mean
all
of
the
members?
Some
of
the
members
and
my
intent
when,
including
that
in
the
legislation,
was
that
there
should
be
some
representation
from
the
public
safety
committee?
Not
necessarily
the
entire.
H
Public
safety
committee,
because
I
do
think
that
there
should
be
a
nice
balance
between
government
and
community
members
in
a
way
that
the
group
doesn't
become
so
large
that
it's
not
productive,
and
so,
if
I
had
since
there
generally
are
five
members,
I
would
say
no
no
more
than
two
so
between
two
and
three
members.
H
C
Thank
you
that,
and
that
makes
pretty
good
good
sense
and
again
the
two
as
a
regular
part
of
the
body
would
be
fine,
of
course,
with
the
understanding
that
any
other
members
can
jump
in
the
meeting
when
they
you
know
when
they
see
fit
or
want
to
participate,
but
not
be
a
member
of
the
of
the
group.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
number
of
members.
C
We
were
going
back
and
forth.
We
wanted
it
to
be
odd.
We
want
more
community
folks,
then
government,
folks,
like
you
just
mentioned,
so
I
think
we
let
yes
yesterday.
At
last
conversation
we
are,
I
want
to
say
we're
around
17.
C
Is
that
that
where
we,
but
that's,
including
everyone,
including
the
folk
spelled
out
in
in
the
legislation
and
any
in
any
folks
that
we
would
add,
is
that
where
we
landed,
would
you
agree
jr.
A
Yeah
that
that's
where
I
recall
from
yesterday
and
keeping
it
an
odd
number
as
my
recommendation,
so
that
way
there's
no
tie
in
the
event
when
it
comes
to
voting
for
funding
and
the
programs.
A
C
And
and
doctor,
please
we're
also
talking
about
the
around
the
the
information
in
there
about
you
know
having
membership
from
from
the
awards.
This
proportionally
impacted
by
violence.
And
again
we
had
some
discussion
around
that
and
back
and
forth,
but
I
mean
they're
the
traditional
wards
that
we
we
have
issues
with
and
then
of
course,
this
year
it's
it's
we're
kind
of
in
the
twilight
zone
with
with
the
violence
and
and
and
all
the
crime.
C
So
it's
impacting
everywhere,
but
your
intent
was
tradition
like
in
the
lower
wards.
You
know,
first
through
fifth
and
with
the
eighth
and
the
eleventh
being
in
there
about
the
11th
and
the
10th
being
in
there
on
occasion,
based
on
based
on
the
the
activity.
Is
that.
H
Yeah-
and
I
you
know-
I
was
intentional
about
not
specifying
specific
wards
so
that
the
data
could
drive
the
decision.
I
know
that,
historically
those
wards,
the
lord
wars,
tend
to
have
disproportionate
cases
of
violence.
H
Hence
you
know
when
you
look
at
how
the
police
are
deployed
across
the
city,
there's
disproportionate
representation
in
specific
wards
because
of
incidents
of
violence,
so
that
the
thought
was
to
allow
the
the
data
to
drive
that
conversation-
and
I
know
how
also
how
council
members
get
sensitive
about,
maybe
feeling
left
out
their
wards,
and
so
you
know
the
purpose
was
to
ensure
that
those
council
members
whose
wards
see
it
see
the
uptick
in
violence
they
their
voices
are
there
so
that
they
can
bring
their
community's
voices
to
the
conversation.
H
B
E
Yeah,
dr
pliers,
nice,
to
see
you
tonight
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
and
I'm
and
you
pretty
much
you
didn't
hit
on
it,
but
it
falls
in
the
same
way.
Is
that
awards
can
change
at
every
census?
So
we
don't
know.
What's
going
to
be
ward,
one
two
three,
you
know
for
the
whole
city,
neighborhoods
are
going
to
change
a
bit.
So
it's
a
good
idea
that
it's
flexible
and,
like
you
said,
based
on
the
the
statistics,
how
we
move
things
around.
F
C
C
Right
to
your
turn,
okay,
all
right,
then
we
so
so
yeah,
it's
so
with
that.
We,
dr
players,
if
you
have
anything
else
to
impart,
please
feel
free
to
do
so
now,
and
otherwise
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
applicant.
H
B
C
E
H
H
And
so,
in
my
conversation
with
jr,
he
read
it
as
members
being
all
members
how
I
wrote
it
and
its
intention
was
members
being
it
needed
to
just
be
some
representation.
So
members
of
the
public
safety
committee
needed
to
be
present
on
this
body.
So
I
you
know
it's
it's,
how
it's
interpreted,
but
that's
a
decision
that
the
council
needs
to
make.
H
Now
I'm
not
trying
to
impose
I'm
just
clarifying
when
I
wrote
it
and
when
I
specified
members
it
was
just
making
sure,
because
there
are
some
bodies
in
which
there
are
no
council
representation
on
them.
And
in
this
case
I
thought
it
was
very
important,
not
just
that.
The
council
members
disproportion
in
those
wars
that
we
just
spoke
about,
but
because
of
the
unique
position
that
public
safety
members
tend
to
be
in
when
violent.
When
we
have
upticks
and
violence
that
there
should
also
be
some
representation
from
public
safety.
E
Last
night
I
had
mentioned
that
maybe
we
could
do
like
ex
officio
for
the
public
safety
committee
members,
where
you
know
they
don't
have
voting
rights,
but
they're.
You
know
ex
officio
on
the
committee
that
you
know
who's
just
an
idea.
Thank
you,
though,.
H
Thank
you
and
kelly
so
that
that
was
that
was
all
I
had
the
only
point
that
I'll
make
as
I.
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
council
is
taking
the
legislation
very
serious
and
working
through
it.
By
no
means
is
it
a
perfect
piece
of
legislation
in
you
know
it's
a
living
breathing
document,
it's
legislation,
so
it
can
be
amended
and
I'm
not
here
to
say
that
it's
my
way
or
the
highway.
H
I
knew
going
into
this
that
it
would.
It
would
need
down
the
line.
There
could
be
some
amendments
from
council
members
and
so
what
it's
the
will
of
the
council
at
this
point,
I'm
available
at
any
point.
If
you
have
questions
about
what
my
initial
intent
was
and
I'm
happy
to
share
that
so
I'm
available
as
a
resource
for
that.
B
F
Yes,
joe,
what
came
up
was
last
night
that
I
said
I
felt
a
little
out
of
place,
okay
and
I
think
the
eighth
and
the
fifteenth
worked,
because,
basically,
lately
everything
was
going
on.
We
have
zero
crime
and
I
don't
want
someone
saying
well:
here's
people
uptown
saying
what
the
problem
is.
You
know
where
all
the
crime
is.
It
just
feels
a
little
awkward.
So
that's
why
the
question
come
up
last
night.
I
believe
about
how
many
members
of
the
public's
public
safety
committee.
H
They
don't
live
here
and
so
I
think
that's
a
very
valid
concern
to
have,
because
every
time
that
we
have
some
of
these
incidents
crop
up
there,
there
is
a
few
voices-
and
sometimes
it's
not
just
a
few,
who
feel
that
those
closest
to
the
pain
and
the
problem
need
to
be
the
ones
leading
the
discussion
because
they
are
living
and
breathing
the
issue
and
the
problems.
H
Much
okay!
Well,
I
I'm.
I
have
a
collaborative
meeting
going
on
at
the
same
time
so
and
now
look
kelly
I'll.
Let
them
know
that
this
is
where
you
are
so.
B
B
C
Okay,
so
we
still
have
some
tweaks
to
make
or
some
final
decisions
to
make,
but
we
can
start,
though,
with
with
with
our
interviews,
though,
because
we
have
people
waiting
okay,
so
michelle.
C
You
okay,
so
thank
you
for
your
interest.
My
name
is
kelly.
Kimbrough,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee
here
on
the
council.
Again
I'll
reiterate.
Thank
you
for
for
your
interest.
This
is
a
very
important
work,
we're
looking
to
add
members
to
our
violence
prevention
task
force
as
a
part
of
this
process
tonight.
What
I'll
do
is
you
can
open?
Introduce
yourself
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
members
will
ask
questions.
C
G
My
name
is
joe
mancini.
I
have
been
involved
in
the
justice
system,
as
my
profession
joined
the
skype
county
probation
in
1989.
Prior
to
that
I
had
worked
for
saratoga
county
department
of
social
services.
I
started
as
a
probation
officer
and
worked
my
way
up
to
become
the
director
of
probation.
G
I
was
the
deputy
director,
probation
and
deputy
commissioner
of
youth
and
families
in
schenectady
county
and
through
that
work,
my
work,
one
of
the
most
important
jobs
I
had
or
memorable
for
me
was
when
I
was
a
juvenile
intensive
officer.
When
I
worked
with
youth
and
especially
youth
of
color,
I
would
work
with
them
and
could
see-
and
this
is
way
back
in.
G
You
know
how
the
system
responds
to
them
and
how
unfairly
they
responded
and
and
oftentimes,
and
I
had
an
intensive
caseload
where
most
probation
departments
that
had
intensive
caseloads
had
high
rates
of
violations
because
it
was
high
monitoring.
Ours
was
high
engagement,
and
so
the
youth
would
meet
me
and
I'm
a
big
guy
and
then
it
would
be
like
you
know.
Oh
no.
G
I,
like
I,
haven't,
been
messed
with
enough
and
like
nobody's
going
to
do
that
anymore,
and
so
I
was
always
working
with
them
to
and
the
systems
around
them
and
finding
the
support.
So
it
was
very
clear
to
me
that
they
weren't
didn't
have
the
supports
that
that
you
would
hope
someone
would
have
and
a
youth
would
have-
and
you
could
see
over
time
just
that
anger
and
and
complacency
that
they
would
get
and
lack
of
any
hope
or
possibility
in
their
lives
that
and
that
would
just
manifest.
G
So
my
job
was
always
to
say,
there's
a
better
future
for
you
and
the
communities
sometimes
weren't.
So
good
at
that,
and
you
know
what
I
would
do
is
find
those
systems
around
them
to
wrap
around
them
and
get
them
engaged.
So
that
was
my
work.
We
created
a
center
for
juvenile
justice
in
scientific
county
and
did
a
lot
of
work.
There
actually
was
part
of
our
county
when
we
were
dealing
with
a
suicide
contagion
where
four
african-american
females
had
had
taken
their
lives
by
suicide.
G
It
was
a
horrible
horrible
situation
in
time
and
we
respond
and
work
through
that
2015.
I
was
appointed,
I
went
to
work
for
the
department
of
office
field
and
family
services
associate,
commissioner
for
the
office
of
community
partnerships.
G
They
asked
me
to
come
there
and
design
their
aftercare
model,
so
I
did
that
from
2015
we
developed
an
aftercare
model
and
one
of
the
things
I
did
is
I
looked
at
you
know:
what
are
the
risk
factors
and
it's
like
you
know,
our
youth
come
to
our
facilities
and
they
there
there's
a
lot
of
structure
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
behavioral
programming,
but
then
they
go
back
to
the
same
communities
and
I'm
like
you
know
what
are
the
what's
the
work
we're
doing
to
communities.
G
We
invest
an
awful
lot
of
money
in
these
high-end
facilities,
but
then
they
go
back
to
the
same
factors
that
that
were
contributing
to
the
need
for
them
to
come
to
a
facility.
So
we
created
some
community-based
programming.
We
credible
messengers
similar
to
the
snug
model
parent
advocates
that
work
with
the
family.
I
wanted
to
really
get
where.
How
do
we
invest
in
the
communities
like
we
have
these
big
agencies
and
they
just
keep
getting
bigger.
But
how
do
we
reinvest
that
so
community
agencies
get
stronger
so
they
can
support
themselves?
G
It
was
over
a
five-year
period.
This
grant
was
for
it.
I
was
able
to
get
that
done,
develop
an
aftercare
model,
so
that's
still
running,
and
then
I
I
retired
in
2008
february,
my
mother,
at
alzheimer's.
She
ended
up
in
the
hospital.
My
father
was
struggling.
I
was
traveling
a
lot,
so
I'm
like
I
can
retire.
I've
done
so
I
retired
did
a
little
work
part-time
and
then
I
got
a
call
and
asked
joe:
do
you
want
to
come
out
of
retirement
this
past
july?
G
The
position
was
available
here
at
the
albany,
the
capitol
district
security
detection
facility
and
I've
been
here
since
july,
seeing
a
lot
of
the
violence,
the
gang
violence,
the
youth
coming
in
here
you
know
being
able
to
talk
to
them,
seeing
where
they're
at
and
I
saw
a
news
story
and
then
I
said
you
know
what
let
me,
let
me
see
what
I
can
do,
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
youth
here.
G
Maybe
I
can
contribute
some
because
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
working
with
community
working
with
violence
and
youth
and
families
I
said.
Maybe
I
can
can
contribute
something
that
way
rather
than
me
sitting
here
as
they're.
You
know
warehousing
them
when
they
leave
here.
Maybe
I
can
help
get
the
conditions
and
improve
the
condition
so
when
they
come
back
to
a
better
place
or
they
don't
end
up
here
at
all,
and
so
I
thought
I
would
apply-
and
here
I.
C
Am
so
so
thank
you
so
which
member
wants
to
start.
C
E
Hoey
hi,
mr
mancini,
thank
you
for
coming
and
taking
time
to
talk
to
the
committee.
This
is
a
new
task
force
committee
that
has
been
put
together
by
the
city.
There's
still
some.
You
know
areas
that
we're
not
sure
how
the
committee
will
go
like
size
and
stuff
like
that.
But
you
know
we
do
have
a
goal.
You
know
the
goal
at
the
end
is
that
we
try
to
prevent
the
summer
violence
and
hopefully
you
know,
come
up
with
ideas
of
what
we
can
do
to
to
to
do
that.
E
So
my
question
is
the
way
we
foresee
it
because
the
committee
will
probably
start
in
january.
Do
you
have
the
time-
and
you
know,
will
you
stay
committed
to
this
committee?
You
know
especially
the
period
in
the
spring,
because
I
see
your
resume.
You
have
an
awful
lot
of
stuff
going
on
and
you
know
do
you
have
the
time
to
commit
to
this
and
thank
you
for
applying.
G
You're
welcome
yeah
I
right
now.
This
is
my.
You
know,
I'm
running
this
place
and
still
dealing
with
my
father
but
other
than
that
yeah.
I
I
do
and
I
think
this
is
real
important
and
I
yes,
I
do.
E
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
volunteering
for
this
position.
I
always
find
that
wait
when
we
see
so
many
individuals
wanting
to
volunteer
at
a
time
to
try
to
help
our
city.
What
we're
also
looking
to
do
is
to
build
a
group
of
diverse
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
experiences,
different
perspectives,
so
that
we
can
have
everyone's
not
just
input
but
use
everyone's
strengths
to
try
to
address
this
issue.
So
how
good
are
you
working
with
individuals?
I
You
might
not
normally
agree
with
as
well
as
you
know,
but
you're
still
at
the
same
common
goal,.
G
Yeah,
I've
got
a
lot
of
I've
been
very
effective
at
that.
Actually,
the
in
the
capital
region
is
what's
called
the
capital
district,
the
capital
region,
youth,
justice
team,
which
was
a
collaboration
of
nine
counties
and
all
different
agencies
to
come
together
to
do
juvenile
reform,
and
I
headed
that
up.
I
started
that
and
gave
that
up
when
I
went
to
the
state,
but
it
was
working
with
all
different
people
from
all
different
agencies
and
just
tried
coming
together
to
find
solutions
around
juvenile
justice.
So
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
dealing
with
families.
G
I
F
You
joe
thank
you
for
applying
and
bringing
your
your
experience
to
offer
this
this
council,
this
city,
you
have
in
your
experience,
having
those
youth
around
you
in
these
facilities.
You
probably
hear
and
know
a
lot
of
why
this
is
going
on,
or
at
least,
why
you
think
it's
going
on.
F
One
we
had
a
psychologist
on
last
night,
okay,
and
he
said
it's
it's.
They
need
to
hide.
Okay,
there's
nothing.
Other
people
say
there's
not
a
lot
for
the
kids
to
do,
which
I
believe
are
all
true,
and
I
just
wanted
a
few.
You
know
you
hear
more
in
that
facility
than
what
people
are
acknowledging
some
say.
It's
gangs,
some
say
it's
kovitz,
some
say
it's
definitely
poverty
in
the
life
and
whatever,
but
you.
G
Yeah,
you
know
when
I
sit
and
talk
with
the
youth
like
it,
it's
and
I
understand
hearing
them,
and
it's
interesting
like
people
I
go
under
like
people
acting
in
accordance
with
how
they
view
the
world,
and
so
many
of
them
really
don't
see
a
future
for
themselves.
This
is
their
life.
This
is
you
know.
It's
almost
like
this.
Their
default
future
is
is
coming
to
a
place
like
this
death
or
prison.
G
They've
seen
family
members
and
and
there
so
there's
not
a
lot
of
opportunities
that
they
see
happening
for
them
and
they
respond
in
accordance
with
how
they
view
their
their
their
future
of
how
they
see
it,
and
if
there's
not
enough
influences
and
opportunities
to
try
to
redirect
that
and
engage
them,
because
they're
also,
everyone
has
a
very
a
talent
and
an
interest
in
some
level
of
competency
is
how
do
you
tie
into
that
and
find
that
and
have
we
instill
some
something
that
that
tells
them
there's
something
possible
for
them?
G
B
G
Yeah,
you
know
because
of
the
rules
around
confidentiality.
I've
got
to
be
real
real
careful
on
how
I
talk
about
that.
G
G
But
again
I
can't
get
into
too
many
specifics
because
of
of
you
know,
confidentiality.
F
G
And
I-
and
I
you
know
it's
always
interesting,
is:
is
the
systems
around
is
how
how
responsive
are
they
and
you
know,
are
they
really
operating
under
the
us?
The
the
same
goal
like
what
do
we
want?
We
want
communities,
youth
and
families
to
be
safe
and
thrive,
and
are
they
coming
together?
With
that
in
mind,
not
you
know
not
getting
so
caught
up
in
turf
or
you
know,
everybody
has
to
walk
in
their
line
of
authority,
but
are
they
genuinely
coming
together
to
solve
the
problem?
G
Are
they
are
they
too
risk-averse
to
not
do
that?
Are
they
willing
to
come
together,
really
share
their
resources
and
share
in
the
risk,
rather
than
I
I
think,
in
in
a
real
sensitive
political
environment,
there's
a
lot
of
finger,
pointing
and
a
lot
of
avoiding
the
risk,
and,
and
is
it
an
atmosphere
of
agencies,
willingness
to
come
together
and
really
be
be
committed
to
to
the
mission
and
and
and
be
willing
to
really
put
themselves
out
a
little
bit?
G
You
know
at
some
risk
and
some
level
of
commitment,
because
it's
always
easy
to
kind
of
step.
Back
and
well,
you
know
our
mandates
are
this
like
is
there?
Did
you
get
a
real,
genuine
sense
of
the
agencies
that
have
that
commitment
and
and
and
level
of
confidence
and
and
safety
that
if
something
does
go
wrong,
is
there
a
real
partnership
that
we've
established
or
you've
established
that
you
know
we're
all
on
it
together
and
there's
no
finger
pointing
because
it
is
it's
very
litigious?
C
Yes,
so
joe
again,
thank
you,
you,
you
have
a
particular
skill,
set,
an
expert
area
of
expertise.
How
do
you
see
that
working
with
this
task
force.
G
Yeah,
just
bringing
my
you
know
my
my
passion
for
this
work,
knowing
communities
and
knowing
the
system
at
all
different
levels
and
trying
to
bring
that
guidance
to
this
team
to
help
in
our
work
in
directions
and
solve
problems.
Look
at
you
know
what
we're
saying
you
know
looking
at
the
issues
and
being
real
about
it.
That
and
just
you
know,
sharing
my
experiences.
You
know
what's
work,
what
wasn't
and
what
didn't
and
and
possible
you
know
land
mines
to
avoid.
C
Okay,
okay,
thank
you,
and
so
here's
miss
mr
nani
yeah.
Well,
just
one
more
question
so
jeez!
I
can't
remember
my
request
my
question:
I'm
trying
to
figure
sanji's
out
and
squeeze
it
in
there.
We
have
a
colleague,
that's
missing
tonight
that
participated
last
night
and
I'm
trying
to
fill
in
a
gap
and
forgot
my
own
question.
Oh
so
in
your
position,
you
obviously
see
a
lot
of
these
kids
from
the
area,
but
do
you
ever
get
to
see
them
in
a
different
setting?
C
You're
ever
out
in
the
community,
engage
in
the
community?
Aside
from
your
work.
G
Yes,
yeah,
you
know
not
as
much
in
this
position
but
especially
in
probation,
but
I
what
I
like
with
my
role
in
probation,
is
I
worked
and
lived
in
the
same
community
and
always
did
community
events
with
the
youth
and
always
and
always
had
that.
You
know
make
sure
I
had
those
opportunities.
We'd
have
block
parties
and
we'd,
bring
our
youth
our
probation
officers
and
bring
the
youth
to
those
positive
events
and
just
be
part
of
that
community
and
just
seeing
them
in
that
community.
Without
you
know,
good
opportunities
was.
G
C
Thank
you,
mr
nani.
J
Thank
you,
joe
wonderful
and
impressive
resume.
This
is
a
important
task
force.
You
know
there
was
just
some
reports
that
just
came
out
as
it
relates
to
shootings
and
crimes
in
the
city,
and
we
have
seen
and
witnessed
our
fair
share
and
my
I
have
a
few
questions.
The
first
one
is
more.
So
what
do
you
believe
is
the
problem
or
disconnect
in
law
enforcement
and
the
community
community
relations.
G
The
the
lack
of
trust-
I
I
think
that
you
know
it
goes
back
historically
how
police
have
been
viewed
and
and
police
have
had
a
long
history
of
of
targeting
minority
communities
and
and
doing
and
enforcing
at
disproportionate
ways
and
methods
and
and
and
that
has
just
grown
and
where
you
know
police
that
come
on
duty
now
they
they
go.
G
I
mean
I
did
a
lot
of
drive
arounds
when
we
were
involved
when
I
was
involved
in
operation
impact
and
the
city
is
connected
in
you
had
you
know
I
was
riding
around
this
officer
was
really
nice
guy,
but
you
drive
up
in
in
certain
communities
being
spit
at
soaring
at
you
know
like
wow.
Do
you
see
this
every
day,
so
there's
a
real
lack
of
of
civility
and
trust,
so
I'm
I
I
can
throw
an
officer
after
so
many
years
of
that
boy,
you're
going
to
get
really
cynical
and
tainted
now.
G
This
is
something
you
inherited.
That
has
go
way
back
to
a
way
that
you
plea
that
we
pleased
certain
communities
where
we
didn't
we
rolled
up
on
folks
and
didn't
give
them
opportunities
to
you,
okay
or
or
in
a
way
or
an
approach
that
wasn't
threatening.
Where
you
know
you
just
you
approach
folks
with
like,
as
if
there
was
something
wrong
with
them,
and
it
wasn't
a
good.
You
know,
wasn't
an
appropriate
response.
You
didn't
give
them
up.
G
I
don't
think
historically
was
no
opportunity
to
say
you're,
a
human
being,
and
what's
going
on
it
was.
It
was
just
that's
just
how
it
was,
and
it's
just
kind
of
been
a
practice
where
I
think
it's
getting
a
lot
better.
But
it's
it's
a
historic
thing
that
has
gone
on
that.
That
needs
a
lot
of
healing
and
partnership
to
to
to
begin
to
address.
But
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tough
one,
yeah.
J
My
next
question
is
from
your
experience
in
your
field.
Can
you
share
how
the
pandemic
crisis
has
exacerbated
the
violence
in
a
black
community.
G
I
think
it's
it's
contributed
to
increased.
You
know
the
increased
risk
factors.
You
know
employment,
opportunities,
available,
resources,
more
isolation
and
frustration,
and
it
impacts
black
communities
and
communities
of
poverty
at
a
better
at
a
higher
rate
and
then
just
kind
of
contributes
to
that
overall
exacerbation
of
a
already
terrible
situation.
It's
it's
more
of
that.
Don't
we
matter
and
and
we're
alone
in
this,
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
boiling
of
that
frustration
that
that
is
happening.
J
G
G
You
know
I'll
tell
you
when,
when
I
work
for
government-
and
I
love
public
service-
I
I
always
worked
on
the
assumption.
It's
my
responsibility
because
to
not
to
say
that's
not
the
case
means
I'm
not
responsible,
not
as
a
blame
thing
or
or
that
it's
just
it's
a
place
to
stand,
and
this
is
my
area
of
accountability.
So
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
resolve
it
to
say
it's.
G
Their
personal
responsibility
gets
us
off
the
hook,
and-
and
I
don't
and
I
don't-
I
don't
see
that
if
we're
sending
folks
away
at
high
rates
of
incarceration
whatever
no,
no.
No,
when
when
I
took
over
and
set
the
economy
juvenile
unit,
we
had
the
highest
rate
of
placing
youth
in
the
state
per
capita.
We
became
after
a
couple
years,
the
lowest,
because
no,
no,
if
we're
sending
youth
to
institutions,
that's
a
for
me.
A
quality
assurance
indicator.
Something
in
our
community
is
not
working.
So
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
address
it?
G
Obviously,
yeah
people
are
responsible
to
behave,
that's
occurring
and
I'm
a
public
servant.
That
is
my
responsibility
as
a
public
servant
and
a
government
official
to
do
everything
I
can
to
resolve
it.
C
Okay,
so
joe,
that's
the
end
of
our
questions.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
C
So
next
steps
we're
this
is
our
last
night
of
the
interviews.
C
G
B
C
So,
whenever
you're
ready
michelle,
you
can
keep
coming.
D
C
See
there,
mr
mcnaughton,
I
am
okay,
so
hey
I'm
kelly,
kimbrough,
chairman
of
the
public
safety
committee
here
for
the
council.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
getting
involved
in
this
position,
we're
doing
the
interviews
for
violence
prevention
task
force
and
of
which
you're
an
applicant.
The
way
we'll
proceed
is
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
to
do
to
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
council
members
will
ask
questions.
K
Well,
thank
you
councilman,
kimbrough
and
good
evening
to
all
the
other,
esteemed
members
of
the
council.
Thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening.
My
name
is
tom
mcnaughton,
I'm
a
25-year
resident
of
the
city
of
albany.
I
moved
here
from
buffalo
in
the
mid-90s.
K
K
My
career
has
been
in
law
enforcement,
disaster
response
and
preparedness
and
security
risk
based
security
needs.
Currently,
I'm
employed
by
the
state
at
the
public
service
commission,
where
my
responsibility
lies
with
compliance
for
the
utilities
with
regards
to
best
practices
from
a
physical
security
standpoint
for
critical
infrastructure.
K
Prior
to
that,
I
had
10
years
on
the
police
department
in
the
city
of
buffalo,
which
was
a
large
urban
department
about
three
three
and
a
half
times
the
size
of
albany.
The
city
is
the
department's,
probably
two
and
a
half
or
three
x.
At
least
it
was
at
the
time
I
worked
in
a
high
crime
neighborhood.
K
I
actually
lived
in
that
neighborhood,
although
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
to
to
live
just
on
the
outskirts
of
some
of
the
hot
zones
if
you
will,
but
I
had
a
long
tenure
in
dealing
with
all
the
societal
and
justice
related
issues
that
we
find
ourselves
dealing
with.
Now
I
left
the
city
of
albany
in
95
after
10
years
in
the
pd
to
work
for
the
organized
crime
task
force
in
the
attorney
general's
office.
K
I
then
worked
for
the
insurance
department
for
about
eight
years
as
a
frauds
investigator,
then
I
did
a
bit
of
time
in
the
in
the
corporate
world.
Private
security,
enterprise
security
risk
management
for
a
local
cable
provider,
and
I
went
back
to
the
state
a
little
over
a
year
ago.
K
K
There
were,
some
very
pointed
not
pointed
I'm
sorry
very
salient
points
made
by
by
different
council
members,
and
I
I
think-
and
I
don't
know
the
the
breadth
and
depth
of
all
the
candidates,
but
I
I'd
like
to
believe
I
offer
a
viewpoint
that
has
that
is
rooted
in
in
multiple
points
of
interest.
With
regards
to
what
this
I,
I
believe
what
this
this
committee
wants
to
get
done.
K
I
live
in
the
city
of
albany.
Everything
that
happens
in
the
city
of
albany
affects
everyone
else,
and
it
really
doesn't
matter
what
district
you
live
in
the
type
of
violence
we've
seen
over
the
last
we'd
like
to
believe
10
months,
but
I
think
we
all
know
that
the
root
cause
of
some
of
this
stuff
has
existed
for
some
time
now.
You
know
back
when
I
was
in
uniform.
I
had
a
captain
that
said
the
things
that
people
are
predisposed
to
do.
K
They
are
just
more
predisposed
during
times
of
high
stress,
and
I
agree
with
joe
mancini's
points.
I
think
the
pandemic
has
caused
some
of
this
stuff
to
become
more
frequent.
It
certainly
raised
the
stuff
stress
level
in
all
all
manner
of
our
community
in
all
portions,
in
every
district
everybody's
stressed
out
a
little
more
and
when
those
individuals
with
less
hope,
if
you
will
find
themselves
stressed
and
they
are
surrounded
by
societal
pressures
that
could
cause
for
less
than
legal
resolution
to
issues
then
they're
more
inclined
to
go
down
that
path.
K
So
you
know,
I
believe
that
you
know
this
has
created
a
problem,
but
I
think
the
underlying
causes
go
well
beyond.
You
know,
last
february,
when
this
pandemic
started
knocking
on
our
door,
I'd
like
to
believe
I
I've
been
active
in
the
neighborhood.
I've
been
active
as
a
coach
in
youth
sports.
Well
little
league
cyo.
K
I
have
two
teens.
I
have
three
teenagers,
15
15
and
16.,
so
they're
right
in
the
sweet
spot
of.
I
think
the
target
group
that
you
guys
are
trying
to
make
an
impact
on,
and
I
deal
with
them
every
day
and
I
deal
with
their
friends
every
day
and
as
a
concerned
citizen
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
offer
some
input
on
this
committee.
K
I'm
fully
invested
in
the
city
and
it's
not
on
some
grand
global
philosophical
societal
change.
I
think
there's
sometimes
you
just
have
to
put
your
work
boots
on
and
get
some
something
done,
and
I
think
this
is
the
type
of
committee
that
needs
to
do
that.
Listen
to
some
of
the
other
comments,
I
would
agree
having
been
served
on
committees
before.
K
I
think
mr
hoey's
recommendation
that
the
public
safety
council
hold
ex-officio
status
and
on
this
committee
I
think
that's,
that's
that's
a
great
point.
I
think
that
would
serve
to
empower
the
the
committee
members
a
little
more.
I
really
don't
know
what
else
I
can
say
other
than
I'm
glad
that
there
is
somebody
somebody
that
sees
the
value
and
putting
some
heads
together
in
the
community
to
try
to
find
some
solutions,
none
of
which,
frankly,
will
be
simple
in
either
their
design
or
implementation.
K
But
you
know
god
hates
a
coward
and
if
you
don't
want
to
try
something
you're
you're
falling
down
on
the
job
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
help
in
any
way
I
put
in.
I
submitted
my
name
for
this
position
some
weeks
ago,
when
I
had
heard
that
there
was
a
dearth
of
applicants,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you've
got
a
pretty
good
number
that
have
responded
since
then,
and
I'd
like
to
be
considered
to
be
part
of
it.
C
Thank
you,
sir.
Mr
hawley.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
mcnaughton,
for
coming
and
taking
time
and
and
actually
doing,
research
and
listening
into
the
the
committee
hearings
as
we've
been
going
along.
You
probably
know
my
question.
It's
you
know.
This
is
a
relatively
new
committee
task
force
and
it's
you
know.
Its
goal
is
to
try
to
reduce
crime
that
seems
to
peak
in
the
summer.
Now
I'm
not
saying
it
doesn't
go,
you
know
it
ends
in
the
summer.
E
No
it
goes
all
year
round,
but
that
when
the
summer
time
is
when
the
the
incidence
levels
rise,
so
you
know
my
feeling
is
that
this
committee
should
be
really
busy
in
the
spring
and
starting
out
in
january.
At
some
point,
do
you
have
the
time
and
the
commitment
to
spend
on
this
committee
and
they
might
have
subcommittees
formed
out
of
it?
E
K
Thank
you,
mr
roy.
Yes,
I
am
fully
inclined
to
be
committed
to
the
extent
necessary
and
beyond
to
meet
my
my
required
meet
the
requirements
that
committee
presents.
I
have
nothing
pressing
as
far
as
long
range
plans
between
now
and
and
and
the
end
of
the
spring
early
summer,
and
I
agree
that
I
think
unless
we
want
a
repeat
of
last
year's
last
summer's
events,
we
really
probably
need
to
have
something
in
place.
You
know
even
before
springtime,
because
it
takes
time
from
implementation.
I
agree.
K
I
think
it
will
be
a
very,
very
busy
spring
and
winter
season
for
this
committee,
because
it
also
will
require
buy-in
from
all
the
affected
parties,
both
on
the
criminal
justice,
side
and
social
justice
side.
If
we
don't
have
collaboration
from
all
the
stakeholders,
I'm
I'd
be
really
concerned
that
our
efforts
would
be
for
naught.
I
Well,
you
kind
of
touched
on
my
my
question,
but,
first
and
foremost
again,
thank
you
for
for
applying.
Thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
volunteer.
I
We
are
very
fortunate
to
have
so
many
individuals
in
our
city
that
are
willing
to
give
up
their
time,
especially
you
have
three
three
three
young
young
ones
that
I'm
sure
can
take
plenty
of
your
time
already.
You
know,
but
you
know
we
do
appreciate
that.
My
question
is
a
simple
one.
It
has
sim
it's
based
on
what
you
thought
about
cooperation
and
we
are
looking
to
put
a
team
together,
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
ways
of
thinking,
different
occupations,
different
perspectives,
to
try
to
tackle
this
this.
I
This
problem
that
we
have
how
how
well
you
are
working
with
individuals
you,
you
may
have
disagreements
with.
K
Well,
given
the
the
jobs
that
I've
had
in
in
the
past,
I
have
been
in
the
unfortunate,
sometimes
position
of
having
to
compel
amended
behavior.
I've
worked
in
compliance.
I've
worked
as
a
regulator.
I've
worked
as
an
investigator.
I've
worked
as
a
police
officer.
K
You
have
to
find
common
ground
in
every
one
of
those
positions,
and
you
know
the
end
of
the
day,
the
common
ground,
the
goal.
The
mission
statement,
if
you
will
for
this
this
committee,
is
to
do
the
things
that
you
have
a
reasonable
expectation
that
will
be
successful
in
deterring
the
growth
of
the
type
of
behavior
that
we
saw
last
year
now,
if
we
keep
that
in
perspective,
and
we
all
buy
into
that
those
little
things,
those
little
arguments
oftentimes
boil
down
to
semantics.
K
K
You
have
to
be
in
sync
and
we
can
have
minor
disagreements
in
the
background,
but
we
have
to
present
our
case
with
one
voice
and
a
level
of
commitment
that
is
going
to
be
required
for
success.
So
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
Historically,
currently
I
didn't
mention,
but
I'm
I'm
on
the
civil
service
commission.
I
was
appointed
by
the
mayor
seven
years
ago
reappointed
earlier
this
year.
You
know
my
job
there.
K
As
I
see
it
is
to
ensure
the
clear,
transparent
and
defensible
process
by
which
citizens
of
the
city
have
a
fair
path
towards
employment,
and
you
know,
in
that
general
sense,
fair,
transparent
and
defensible
is
the
way
we
should
conduct.
I
would
think
your
committee's
business,
whether
we're
a
committee
of
one
or
a
committee
of
17.
B
I
C
K
Well,
you
know
I
worked
in
patrol
and
patrol
you
saw
everything
you
saw
people
at
their
best
and
their
worst,
and
I
I
it
wasn't
so
long
ago,
or
maybe
it
was
long
ago,
but
it
had
such
an
indelible
impact
on
me
that
I
remember
every
bit
of
it.
When
people
are
involved
with
law
enforcement,
it
is
the
most
stressful
time,
at
least
for
them
that
they
can
imagine
so
from
a
law
enforcement
standpoint.
K
I
think,
as
it
applies
to
how
we
would
interact
with
public
safety,
and
I
think
I
think
the
department
in
the
city
of
albany
has
made
great
strides
and
and
listen.
It
is
a
never-ending
battle
and
it
will
always
be
that
nothing
is
perfect,
but
we
can't
let
you
know
perfect,
be
the
enemy
of
good
and
every
time
they
make
a
a
step
that
it's
got
to
be
a
step.
It's
got
to
be
commended
and
recognized,
and
I
think
they've
they've
attempted
to
make
great
strides.
K
In
that
my
perspective,
I
I
think
I
have
an
idea
of
the
type
of
things
that
will
work.
You
know
the
people
on
the
street,
they
are
not
foolish,
they
don't
and
they
don't
suffer
fools.
So
if
we
try
to
bring
them
something,
that's
pie
in
the
sky:
they're
not
gonna,
they're,
not
gonna,
buy
it.
They're
gonna
see
through
it,
and
I
think
it's
gonna
be
superfluous
to
them.
K
We
have
to
be
solid
in
our
efforts
and
what
we're
going
to
do.
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
tangible
benefit,
both
early
on
and
long
lasting
and
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
philosophical
in
nature,
and
you
somebody
asked
mr
mancini
is
mr
one
of
the
councilmen
asked
him
about.
You
know
personal
responsibility
versus
government
shortcomings.
Yes,
councilman!
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
not
an
either
or
it
can't
be
they're
they're
intertwined
at
the
root
of
all
behavior
issues.
There
has
to
be
an
underlying
personal
responsibility
identified.
K
K
The
raw
data
includes
some
some
components,
and
you
know
I
think-
and
this
is
not
meant
as
a
disparaging
remark-
you're
all
elected
officials,
but
sometimes
politicians
take
the
expedient
route
and
they
and
they
highlight
the
parts
of
a
particular
study
that
supports
their
belief,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
really
deep
dive.
Look
at
the
raw
data.
That's
drawn
out
of
some
of
these
studies
and
if
there's
personal
responsibility,
you
can't
just
lay
it
on
the
feet
of
a
15
year
old.
K
K
I
don't
know?
I
think
I'm
an
idea
guy.
So
if
you
give
me
a
problem,
I'll
probably
come
up
with
an
idea,
I'd
like
to
believe
I'm
I'm
better
more
often
than
I'm
not
at
these
types
of
solutions.
I've
been
involved
in
other
collaborative
efforts,
whether
they
were
school-based
at
my
kids,
schools
or
work-based.
I've
worked
in
working
groups
at
all
levels
of
government,
both
on
a
regulatory
side,
an
investigative
side.
I've
worked
in
criminal
court,
civil
court
and
I've
worked
with
all
types
of
people,
so
I
don't
know.
K
C
Yep,
thank
you,
sir,
and
so
I
mean
you
said
you
have
teenagers
kids,
so
I
imagine
that
you
did
some.
You
do
some
stuff
out
in
the
community
and
engage
the
community.
I
don't
like
can
see
where
you
live,
but
do
you
ever
get
a
chance
to
do
any
engagement
of
communities
in
some
of
these
more
challenging
areas.
K
I
just
like
I
said,
I'm
a
city
guy
for
all,
at
swartz
and
and
and
blemishes
I'm
I'm
always
going
to
be
a
city
guy
and,
as
I
said
before,
what
happens
in
one
neighborhood
it
it
has
a
direct
impact
on
those
surrounding
neighborhoods,
so
I
don't
feel
so
removed
from
the
lower
awards,
as
somebody
in
saratoga
county
might
think.
I
am
because
I'm
two
miles
away
and
we're
not
maybe
we're
not
kindred
spirits,
but
there's
a
community
effect
here.
That,
I
think
is,
is
something
else
that's
got
to
be.
K
Dramatically
impacted
by
violence,
but
it's
a
city-wide
issue
and
what
happens
in
the
first
ward
has
a
direct
impact
in
what
happens
in
every
other
ward
in
the
city.
What
happens
in
the
third
war?
What
happens
everywhere,
and
I
think
it
has
to
be
addressed
as
such.
If
you
want
buy-in
from
all
awards,
they,
their
voices,
have
to
feel
as
though
they're
being
hurt
as
well,
and
this
has
to
be
a
community
effort.
F
Yeah,
but
it
wasn't
a
spot
to
jump
in
on
I've
known
tom
mcnaughton
for
probably
16
17
years,
20
years,
he's
always
rolled
up
his
sleeves
and
got
involved
in
whatever
need
to
be
done,
whether
it
was
in
his
neighborhood,
our
church
he's
done
that
he's
willing
to
do
it.
I
know
that
there's
there's
really
no
presence
other
than
you
kelly
being
a
former
police
officer,
I'm
not
sure
if
he
knew
that
that
is
going
to
be
on
this
task
force.
F
But
I
know
that
the
call
for
applications
is
looking
for
community
members
from
wards
disproportionately
impacted
by
violence
and.
B
F
J
Hey
first,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
tom
for
applying
this.
So
quite
frankly,
I
think
what
is
one
of
the
most
important
task
force
over
the
past
couple
of
years
and
it's
it's
great
to
see
the
resumes
and
cover
letters
really
wonderful
candidate,
and
I
appreciate
everything
that
you
have
done
for
the
city
and
your
background
and
your
continued
support
for
the
city
of
albany.
J
You
answered
a
few
of
my
questions,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
on
that
point,
but
I
do
have
one
that
I
do
want
to
ask
you.
Do
you
feel
that
violence
is
more
pronounced
in
a
black
community
than
others?
If
so,
what
factors
do
you
think
contribute
to
it?.
K
I
think
in
this
community
it
has,
it
has
grown
into
that.
Yes,
I
think
the
overriding
factor
that
supports
increase
in
violence
across
this
country
is
economic
and
it
happens
to
coincide
with
african-american
communities
in
albany.
You
know
some
of
our
southern
states,
some
of
those
same
economically
challenged
communities,
are
hispanic
in
nature.
K
My
point
is,
I
don't
think
you
can
take
a
broad
brush
and
contend
that
the
violence
erupts
in
in
african-american
communities
only.
I
think
it's
predisposed
by
the
economic
pressures
and
the
societal
pressures
that
go
with
economic
shortcomings
in
these
communities,
so
why?
I
think
that's
the
root
cause.
I
think
you
know
to
joe
mancini's
point
earlier.
There
is
a
just
terribly
sad,
sad,
lack
of
hope
among
our
teenagers
and
our
young
adults
in
all
these
social,
socially
and
economically
depressed
areas.
K
K
How
do
we
drive
that
here
and
I
think
the
the
gun
violence
will
go?
The
latter,
the
reduction
in
gun
violence
will
go
hand
in
hand
with
an
increase
in
opportunity,
economic
opportunity
and-
and
I
think
you
got
to
find
a
way
to
get
these
individuals
these
disaffected
individuals
to
understand
the
appreciation
of
having
some
skin
in
the
game
having
an
opportunity
to
provide
for
yourself
for
yourselves.
K
I
think
that
it
all
lies
there,
and
so
no,
I
don't
think
it's
it's
generally
a
broad-based
black
and
white
thing.
I
think
it's
so
it's
the
economic
pressures
that
happen
in
this
particular
case
to
be
overlapping
in
the
african-american
communities
and
that's
and
you
can
see
it
in
the
in
like
the
hopelessness
that
joe
mancini
discussed
and
there
is,
I
think,
it's
tragic,
a
tragic
lack
of
of
hope
and
optimism
among
this
core
group.
You
know
the
the
15
16
17
year
olds
of
today.
K
J
Man
I'll
tell
you
that
was
that
was
you
know,
I
think
about
that.
A
lot,
and
I
try
to
share
with
my
colleagues
about
the
lack
of
hope
in
some
of
these
communities
and
it's,
I
think,
you'd
be
a
good
member
of
this
board.
I
really
do
you
know.
In
the
beginning
interview
I
was
kind
of
nervous
a
little
bit,
but
just
I
think
you
yeah
you're
exactly
what
kind
of
person
we
need
on
the
board
to
kind
of
you
know
inspire
a
little
bit
sense
of
hope.
C
Yes,
mr
mcnaughton,
so
it's
the
part
where
I
usually
say
we're
done
with
our
questions.
Do
you
have
a
question
for
us,
however,
in
the
time
that
we've
been
engaging
you,
it's
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
our
council,
mr
prachardo,
that
you
can't
you
can't
sit
on
two
city
boards
or
committees
at
the
same
time
and
you're
on
civil
service.
C
C
Right
so
I'll,
let
our
attorney
speak
to
that
and
I'm
sure
you
you
could
probably
check
in
because
I
know
corp
council's
the
chair,
I
think
of
civil
service
or
what
have
you
but
j.r.
A
Yeah,
no
there's
the
second
class
city's
law
says
no
person
shall
hold
two
offices
and
it
doesn't
distinguish
between.
It
doesn't
distinguish
between
elective
or
appointed,
and
since
civil
service
is
an
appointed,
and
this
is
also
an
appointed
position
there.
You
would
be
dual
holding.
J
I
just
like
a
question:
there
was
an
individual
that
interviewed
yesterday
and
I
think
they
were
on
cp
cprb
and
also
applying
for
this.
So
I
don't
know
I
don't
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
not
just
tom.
That's
it.
C
Okay
right
so
and
yeah
tom
just
can
you
just
check
in
with
with
corp
council
also
about
about
that,
and
so
now
I'm
gonna
say:
do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
K
Well,
evidently,
my
next
question
will
be
with
people,
so
I
no,
I
don't.
I
understand
what
your
next
steps
are
and
I
thank
you
for
entertaining
my
application
and
I
wish
you
all
the
best
of
luck
going
forward,
whether
I'm
part
of
it
or
not.
Okay,.
I
I
I
just
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
excellent,
excellent
residents
that
are
applying
for
this,
and
it's
a
good
problem
to
have
it's
a
good
problem
to
have
that
you
have
so
many
good
people
who
are
willing
to
again
volunteer
their
time
to
help
address
this
issue.
So
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
you
to
leave
feeling
defeated
and
I
don't
want
anyone
else
who's.
I
Maybe
looking
at
this
feel
defeated
with
you
know
with
the
process,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
and
again
we'll
let
the
legal
eagles
figure
out
the
edit
just
came
up.
K
That's
fine!
Thank
you,
member
bellerin.
I
are
you
trying
to
draw
a
distinction
between
these
meetings
and
the
ones
that
are
held
with
the
commissioner
and
the
mayor
with
regards
to
openness.
I
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
your
point
there.
I
I
fully
understand
that
be
an
opportunity
to
help
and
I'll
be
glad
to
in
any
way
that
that
is
asked
of
me
and
again.
I
would
like
to
wish
you
all
best
of
luck.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
Okay
and
okay
he's
gone.
So
can
we
check
on
that
mr
piccardo,
not
obviously
not
now,
but
moving
forward
so
who
we
have
kelly?
Is
it
mal
regan
malaragon,
that's
who's!
Next,
yes,.
I
Can
I
make
a
suggestion
in
the
future
we
have
some
of
those
things
pop
up.
Let's
deal
with
that
offline
after.
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah
I
apologize
for
that.
I
just
yeah,
I
probably
could
have
waited.
I
B
F
D
C
Okay,
good
you're,
connected
hello:
this
is
it's
malaragno.
Is
that
how
you
pronounce
it.
C
Close
melania,
oh
okay,
okay,
my
name
is
kelly.
Kimbrough,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee
here
on
the
council.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
joining
our
task
force.
So
the
way
we'll
proceed
is
we'll.
Let
you
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
the
members
will
ask
questions
so
I'll.
L
L
Great,
thank
you.
My
name
is
kelly
melorano.
I
work
for
the
community
builders,
which
is
a
non-profit,
affordable,
housing
developer
and
I
work
in
the
albany
office.
I
run
the
design
and
construction
department.
I
have
been
working
at
the
mansion
development
on
grant
street
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
for
the
past.
L
Just
about
two
years
now,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
see
so
heavily
with
our
residents
is
that
they're
really
they're
fearful,
and
it
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
we
have
as
developers
is
keeping
our
residents
safe
and
healthy
and
wanting
to
come
home
and
feel
that
sense
of
home
and
community,
and
when
I
saw
the
advertisement
for
this
on
the
news,
it
just
happened
to
happen.
On
a
day
when
I
was
on
grand
street,
we
were
installing
some
cameras
on
a
resident's.
B
L
Members
was
right
on
the
cusp
of
that
incident
that
I
had,
and
so
I
thought
well.
This
would
be
a
really
nice
way
to
maybe
be
able
to
be
impactful
on
a
large
scale,
because
we
own
39
units
right
now.
11
buildings
that
are
already
inhabited.
We've
just
purchased
four
more
that
we're
going
to
fully
rehab,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
bring
their
sentiment
that
large
grouping
of
people
into
this
sort
of
a
forum
and
be
able
to
speak
on
behalf
of
a
larger
community
and
and
get
their
voices
heard.
C
E
So
just
yeah
hi
kelly.
Thank
you
for
coming.
Taking
the
time
to
interview
with
the
committee,
we
really
appreciate
it.
I
tell
the
different
applicants.
This
is
like
flying
in
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying.
This
committee
is
relatively
new
and
you
know
being
developed
as
as
we
move
along.
E
You
know
as
far
as
size
when
we're
going
to
meet,
and
so
so
on
you
know,
the
goal
of
this
committee
is
to
try
to
reduce
the
summer
violence,
and
you
know
we're
just
coming
into
winter
now,
so
there'll
probably
be
a
lot
of
meetings
between
now
and
you
know,
hopefully
right
before
the
summer
begins
in
june.
So
there
will
be
probably
a
lot
of
meetings.
Maybe
subcommittees.
L
E
E
L
No-
and
I
do
feel
like
I
feel
like
it's
important
enough
for
me-
that
I
can
make
time
I
make
time
for
a
lot
of
things
of
less
importance,
so
I
certainly
would
be
able
to
make
time
for
this
as
well.
F
F
What
other
talents
would
you
bring
to
this
committee,
this
task
force
other
than
working
and
looking
to
design
and
bring
housing
into
that
neighborhood.
L
So
we're
a
local
developer
in
general.
I'm
also
well
we're
not
looking
at
that
square
focal,
but
I'm
local.
I'm
from
this
area.
My
brothers
are
police
officers.
I
grew
up
in
troy.
This
is
this
is
home
to
me.
I
I
do
have
a
lot
of
you
know.
L
Local
connections
that
I
would
like
to
bring
in
and
and
just
ideas
to
bring
about
you
know
I
years
ago
was
the
trustee
for
my
parish,
council
at
our
church
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
also
did
was
a
social
justice
committee,
and
that
was
also
in
downtown
troy,
and
so
we
we
had
some
good
ideas
come
about
from
that
that
I
think
I
could
help
bring
forward.
You
know
just
working
with
the
community
and
and
a
different
perspective.
L
I
I
think
the
fact
that
I
I
go
into
the
residence
homes
frequently
I'm
not
just
the
person
that
does
the
technical
for
building.
I
also
go
in
for
maintenance
and
and
other
safety
issues,
but
I
I
just
I
took
a
big
interest
in
this
neighborhood,
specifically
after
talking
with
all
the
residents.
I
I
just
recently
did
a
run
through
of
everybody's
unit
and
working
with
our
security
vendor
massive
mesh
they're,
also
local,
it
just
kind
of
opened
my
eyes
to
the
struggles
that
happened
there.
L
The
seasonal
change
is
night
and
day
where
I
would
walk
there,
often
by
myself
and
and
never
feel
nervous,
and
now
I
I
don't
walk
there
if
it's
a
little
bit
nice
out,
because
it
is
a
little
bit
nerve-wracking,
we
we
are
in
our
new
design,
that's
coming
in
we're
putting
in
a
police
substation
on
71
grand.
L
I
don't
know
that
I
think
more
police,
I
think
a
trusted
police
presence.
I
think
if
there
were
a
substation
there
having
the
visual
of
because
we're
intending
to
put
it
at
71
grand,
which
you
have
a
liquor
store
on
the
corner
of
madison
and
grand
street,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
that
happens
kind
of
in
that
space
and
across
the
street
at
70
and
72.
They
seem
to
be
pretty
big
hot
spots
for
incidents.
L
We
were
hoping
that
you
know
having
having
a
it's
more
of
a
community
police
officer
when
you
have
a
substation
they're,
not
they
can't
really.
You
know
they're
not
looking
or
anything
like
that
happening.
So
we
were
hoping
that
that
kind
of
would
bring
a
different
level
of
safety
and
and
visual
visual
safety
procedure.
Otherwise,
and
hopefully
it
would
kind
of
snowball
from
there.
B
I
Thank
you
for
applying.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
your
time
today.
Thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
volunteer
on
this
committee,
we're
looking
to
put
a
committee
of
diverse
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
experiences,
different
perspectives,
different
different
viewpoints.
Can
you
hear
me.
M
I
No,
that's
fine,
so
we're
looking
to
put
a
community
together
of
diverse
individuals
from
different
perspectives,
different
viewpoints,
different
backgrounds,
to
try
to
tackle
this
in
a
holistic
approach.
How
how
well
do
you
work
with
individuals?
You
may
not
always
agree
with.
L
To
do
fine,
I
mean
that's,
I
work
in
construction,
so
that's
the
nature
of
our
business
and,
just
generally
speaking,
that's
my
personality.
Yeah.
I
C
You
thank
you
kelly,
so
you
you,
you
work
for
a
community
builder,
so
you're
in
the
area
in
the
community,
obviously
engaging
you
do
that
for
work.
Do
you
do
any
of
that
type
of
engagement
during
your
in
your
personal
life.
L
Less
now
than
I
did
before,
I
had
four
kids
and
worked
full-time,
but
definitely
prior
to
having
our
baseball
team-sized
family.
I
was
always
very
active
in,
like
I
had
mentioned
our
church
groups,
and
that
was
the
avenue
that
I
I
explored
that
in,
but
I
I
have
a
strong
connection
to
the
community
in
general,
the
larger
capital
district
community-
and
I
want
to
be
more
active.
I
haven't
had
much
of
an
opportunity.
I
only
started
with
the
community
builders
about
a
year
ago,
two
years
ago.
L
Actually
now
time
flies
prior
to
that
I
worked
for
the
state
for
11
years
and
when
you
work
for
a
government,
you
just
kind
of
you
know
you're
there
you're
at
your
government
buildings
and
there's
nothing
around
you.
You
aren't
as
interested
in
the
community
you're
just
kind
of
it's
pretty
it's
a
narrow
focus.
I
took
this
job
with
the
exact
business
of
getting
involved
with
people
making
a
difference.
My
my
skills
that
happens
to
be
that
I'm
an
architect.
L
So
that's
where
I'm
able
to
help
you
know
when
I
was
before
on
the
church
council.
I
was
on
the
building
restoration
and
the
social
justice
committee
and
different
avenues
like
that,
and
then
I
kind
of
lost
that
when
I
moved,
I
moved
to
east
greenbush
and
changed
churches.
They
don't
have
the
same
groups
and
you
know
now.
I
I
want
to
get
back
into
the
community
and
and
really
make
real,
tangible
differences
on
the
ground.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
inani.
J
Thank
you
so
much
kelly
for
your
interest
and
wonderful
resume.
Definitely
it's
more
qualified
to
be
on
this
task
force.
I
have
a
few
questions.
The
first
one
is
more.
So
what
do
you
believe
is
the
problem
or
disconnect
between
law
enforcement
and
community
of
color.
L
Wow,
I
think
it's
trust
on
both
sides
and
there's
ignorance,
and
I
think
that
when
people
aren't
transparent
and
they
go
into
a
situation
on
either
either
side,
I'm
saying
goes
into
a
situation
with
a
preconceived
notion
of
a
person.
Then,
if
you're
reacting
on
fear
and
not
on
actual
knowledge,
then
your
reactions
aren't
right.
L
They
typically
are
wrong,
and
so
I
I
think,
a
lot
of
what
I
see
going
on
is
ignorance
and
fear,
and
I
think
if
people
took
a
minute
to
know
people
and
listen,
I
think
if
we
listened
a
lot
more,
then
we
would
be
able
to
act
on
intelligence
and
on
emotional
intelligence
and
react
to
a
real
situation
and
not
a
broad
idea
of
what
you
think
the
situation
could
be.
J
L
I
did
notice
that
so
in
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
our
neighborhood
was
really
very
quiet
and
then
it
was
sort
of
like
people
had
been
so
disconnected
from
all
of
the
normal
things
that
create
normalcy
in
in
your
daily
life,
that
social
connections,
the
connections
to
healthcare
and
to
just
people,
and
to
have
that
fully
severed,
and-
and
you
know,
even
in
some
instances,
you
have
the
opportunity
for
this
kind
of
contact.
L
L
That
what's
coming
out
is
like
all
these
different
emotions
are
coming
out
in
in
negative
ways
and
and
maybe
amplified.
I
I
see
it
and
we
have
a
development
in
disconnecting.
I
see
it
there
the
same
thing.
It
was
like
once
restrictions
got
lifted
a
little
bit,
people
gained
a
little
bit
of
control,
but
they
also
had
a
lot
of
kind
of
built
up
anxiety
and
that
anger
that
had
been
building
from
that
kind
of
loss
of
control.
J
L
I
would
say
it's
probably
a
mixture
of
both.
I
I
couldn't
pretend
to
know
specifically
what
this
cause
or
the
solution
is,
and
that's
that's
a
big
piece
of
why
I
wanted
to
come
here
more
to
where
to
learn
and
be
able
to
understand
better
and
myself
to
understand.
So
I
can
react
with
intelligence
and
an
understanding
rather
than
you
know,
a
statistic:
readout.
J
B
B
C
Okay,
so
thank
you
kelly,
we're
at
the
close
of
our
questions.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
L
I
just
have
more
of
like
a
comment,
so
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
time
to
speak
to
all
of
you
and
I
I'm
I'm
excited
to
just
have
met
this
whole
group
and
I
don't
know
you
know,
I'm
probably
the
least
qualified
for
your
counsel,
because
I
I've
never
done
anything
like
this
before,
but
I
I
really
hope
you
do
consider
me,
because
I
would
love
to
learn
what
what
needs
to
be
done
and
what
can
be
done,
and
I
would
love
to
spend
my
energies
and
use
my
talents
in
that
way.
L
I'm
I
really
please
that
you,
let
me
come
to
this
point
and
get
interviewed,
so
I
really
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
interest
and
we
need
all
types
we're
looking
for
diversity,
diversity
of
thought,
diversity
of
employment,
skill
sets,
so
so
there's
no
no
wrong
person
for
this.
So
thank
you.
D
D
C
Can
you
hear
me,
mr
pratt
yeah?
Okay?
Yes,
I
thank
you,
sir.
I
apologize
we're
running
a
little
bit
late.
My
name
is
kelly
kimbrough,
I'm
the
the
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee
here
on
the
council
again,
thank
you
for
your
interest.
This
is
important
work
and
we
need
good
people.
C
O
O
Well,
my
name
is
john
pratt.
I've
lived
in
albany
since
1985
when
my
parents
moved
here,
I
graduated
culinary
high
school,
went
to
the
military,
currently
worked
for
the
department
of
corrections
and
community
service,
and
I
I
think
that
this
is
important
work,
because
I
think
that
our
youth
lack
value.
O
You
know,
I
think
that
there
are
have
been
devalued
in
society
in
general,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
start
getting
that
message
out
there,
that
they
are
valued
and
they
are
they
matter,
and
I
think
once
they
realize
that
they
matter.
I
think
that
they
will
start
to.
E
Good
evening,
mr
pratt
and
thank
you
for
coming
taking
the
time
to
talk
to
the
committee
and
you
know
be
interviewed,
I've
been
telling
the
other
applicants.
This
is
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together.
At
the
same
time,
this
is
a
relatively
new
committee
task
force
that
we're
putting
together-
and
you
know
the
main
goal
is
to
try
to
cut
down
on
the
violence
that
occurs
in
the
summertime.
E
But
I
mean
the
violence
goes
year-round,
but
the
main
focus
is
for
this
year
at
least
I
think
will
be
you
know,
trying
to
quell
the
violence
for
the
summer
of
2021.
E
You
know
so
the
committee
is
going
to
have
to
meet
you
know
in
in
the
in
the
winter
and
into
the
spring,
and
you
might
imagine
that
there'll
be
a
lot
of
meetings.
Maybe
subcommittees
more
meetings.
E
Do
you
have
the
time
and
the
you
know
the
capability
to
serve
in
this
type
of.
O
Role,
yes,
my
my
overall
work
hours
are
generally
eight
to
four.
You
know
there
are
occasions
when
you
know
I'm
required
to
work
later
than
that
because
of
incidents
that
are
taking
place.
I
do
have
young
kids,
but
as
long
as
there's
a
schedule,
I
can
generally
work
around.
O
F
Hello,
john,
thank
you
very
much
for
applying
for
this
task
force
and
the
one
person.
I
don't
believe
that
would
have
to
ask
if
you're
an
open-minded
person.
Sometimes
I
would
think
that
someone
in
law
enforcement
for
going
on
30
years
is
that
right
from
the
military
on,
you
might
have
a
little
bit
of
tunnel
vision,
but
when
you
open
your
opening
statement,
saying
that
youth
matter
and
they
lack
value,
that's
that
says
a
lot
about
your
intent
on
being
here.
F
Your
life
experience
are
just
important
and
valuable
life
taught
me
not
to
judge
people
in
humility,
respect,
compassion,
empathy,
that's
the
type
of
person.
I
think
that
this
task
force
needs
and
very
important
to
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
applying.
O
I
You
thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
country,
your
very
impressive
resume
and
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
to
apply
and
and
spend,
spend
and
volunteer
on
this
committee.
I
I
do
want
to
pee
back
on
one
question
that
imagine
all
the
candidates
is.
You
know
we
are
looking.
We
are
open,
looking
to
put
together
a
very
diverse
group
of
individuals
for
this
committee.
I
Individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
experiences,
different
philosophies,
different
different
ways
of
looking
at
things,
and
we
were
looking
to
do
that
because
I
personally
believe
everyone
has
a
strength,
and
if
you
allow
those
individuals
to
work
those
strengths,
you
know
we
may
be
able
to
come
up
with
something
to
deal
with.
We
have
like
you
said
another
individuals
have
said
before
you.
This
is
not
a
2020.
I
We've
had
this
issue
for
decades.
So
with
all
that
said,
how
good
are
you
working
with
individuals
that
you
normally
don't
agree
with
individuals
that
you
may
not
have
the
same
perspective
and
background
as
on
individuals
that
you
know
you
normally
wouldn't.
O
What
I
what
I
do
for
work-
you
know,
I'm
an
investigator
you
know
currently
and
as
a
as
a
black
male
working
in
law
enforcement,
or
particularly
in
the
department
of
corrections,
it's
challenging
right,
because
there
are
people
who
believe
that
you
know
I'm
there
and
I'm
going
to
take
the
word
of
inmates.
O
You
know,
because
I'm
a
black
male
and
primarily
the
mhr,
are
black
men
but
then
to
contrary
black
inmates
also
feel
that
I'm
supposed
to
take
their
side
for
the
same
reason.
O
So
I
I
think
that
it's
important
for
me
to
gather
the
facts
of
any
situation.
You
know
trying
to
gather
as
if
much
information
as
possible
to
listen
to
everyone.
That's
how
you
get
all
the
information
and
you're
able
to
make
a
better
decision
with
that
information.
So
it's
extremely
important
to
take
the
time
to
listen
to
people,
even
if
their
perspective
is
a
little
bit
different
than
yours.
C
So,
thank
you,
mr
pratt,
and
as
a
former
police
officer
at
the
20-year
with
albany
police
department.
I
can
appreciate
that
what
you
just
said
about
you
know
black
inmates
versus
white
it
really
they
you
get
put
in
the
spot
and
look
that
in
a
certain
way.
So
it's
not
easy.
It's
a
tough
job.
So
thank
you.
I
don't
have
a
question.
It's
really
more
of
a
comment.
It's
it's!
I'm
pleasantly
surprised.
C
We've
had
a
number
of
folks
in
law
enforcement
put
in
for
this
task
force
and-
and
none
of
them
are
offering
law
enforcement
solutions,
which
I
think
is
great
because
it
they're
they're
looking
to
to
do
it
through
community
and
and
and
take
a
different
approach
and-
and
you
fall
into
that
group-
so
I'm
happy
for
that.
Hopefully
I
get
to
see
on
on
the
other
side,
you
you'd
be
a
great
addition
to
the
team.
O
You
I
hope
that
I
can
help
you
out.
J
Yeah
john,
thank
you
so
much
brother
for
your
service
and
everything
that
you
have
done
for
the
city.
I
just
have
a
list
of
questions
and
the
first
one
is
more
so
the
violence
in
the
city
do
you
believe
it's
government
shortcoming
or
is
personal
responsibility.
O
I
think
it's
a,
I
think,
there's
a
combination.
I
think
every
individual
has
to
take
responsibility
for
their
own
actions,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
systematic
issue
that
we
have
to
to
deal
with
as
well.
I
think
there's
a
trauma
issue
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I've
looked
at
is
you
know,
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs
and
if
people
don't
have
the
economic
resources,
you
know
to
put
food
on
their
tables.
O
You
know
they're
gonna,
look
other
places
to
try
and
do
that
if
they
don't
feel
valued,
you
know
they're
going
to
the
way
I
see
it.
You
know,
look
to
sell
drugs
to
purchase
clothing
and
valuables
and
such
to
try
and
increase
that
their
self-worth.
O
B
O
O
So
for
me,
when
someone
gets
a
little
bit
animated,
I
don't
get
fearful
of
that,
because
I've
been
around
people
who've
conducted
themselves
that
way
family
members
friends.
So
I'm
a
little.
I
guess
I'm
a
little
more
patient
and
I
don't
see
violence
as
the
solution
to
you
know.
Whatever
the
resolution
is,
I
think
you
have
to
have
a
conversation.
You
have
to
engage
the
people,
you
have
to
talk
to
them.
J
O
O
But
I
do
know
from
speaking
to
people
in
the
community
that
a
lot
of
black
men,
youth
are
carrying
guns,
and
I
know
that
that's
an
issue.
O
It
goes
back
to
economics,
I
think,
but
I'll
add
to
that
people
are
stressed.
O
You
know,
there's
a
lot
more
anxiety
right
now.
I
think.
Certainly
I
feel
it
you
know
in
in
my
own
life.
You
know
the
anxiety
because
of
of
covet-
and
you
know,
trying
to
deal
with
work
everything
else
that's
going
on
in
society.
O
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
just
add
that
committee
member
sonya,
frederick
this
year,
ms
frederick,
would
you
like
to
just
jump
in
for
a
sec?
Are
you
okay,.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
We're
also
joined
with
our
clique,
daniel
by
clerk
daniel
gillespie.
I
must
have
missed
you
before
so
so.
Thank
you,
sir.
At
this
point,
the
questions
are
we're
done
asking
the
questions.
Do
you
have
any
any
questions
for
us.
O
C
Well,
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
different
answers
to
that,
but
the
reason
we're
pulling
together
this
this
this
group
is
to
try
to
get
a
diverse
group
of
folks,
together
from
you
know,
with
diverse
ideas
and
and
thoughts
and
ways
of
looking
at
things
to
come
together,
because
it
really
there's
no
one
person,
that's
going
to
come
up
with
a
solution
for
this.
We
really
need
to
get
get
together
on
this
and
work
through
it,
and
this
is
our
attempt
to
do
that.
O
Okay,
do
you
see
this
as
a
long-term
objective.
C
Yes,
I
do,
and
I
mean
other
members
can
jump
in
if,
if
they
want
to
again
the
gov
I
mean
this
year
was
a
terrible
year
for
gun
violence.
But
again
it's
been
around
it
ebbs
and
flows
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
had
high
years
low
years,
but
when
you
say
long
term,
it's
a
long
term
issue
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on,
but
also
the
idea
is
to
keep
the
task
force
going
again,
because
this
this
isn't
an
issue.
C
That's
going
to
go
away,
so
there'll
be
a
need
to
have
these
discussions
and
work
through
these
issues
and
again
the
idea
is
to
take
you
know
kind
of
problem,
solving
approach.
Not
through
you
know,
law,
law,
enforcement's
gonna
do
what
they
do,
but
this
that
we
really
want
to
make
a
lasting
change
and
impact.
This
issue
that
we're
having
and
the
way
to
do.
That
is,
I
think,
the
approach
that
we're
taking.
B
E
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
john
and
it's
a
two-year
commitment
to
the
committee
and
then
we'll
you
know
other
you
know
people
want
to
stay
on
or
I
don't
know
how
that'll
work
out,
but
we're
only
asking
people
to
stay
for
for
two.
You
know
commit
to
two
years.
B
C
We're
still
that's
a
good
question,
we're
still
working
through
that,
because
it's
a
combination
of
some
of
the
public
safety
members
that
you
see
here.
We
want
more
community
members
than
politicians
and
elected.
You
know.
Excuse
me
city
workers,
if,
if
you
we
want
this
to
be
a
community
driven
as
grassroots
as
we
can
get,
I
mean
we
have
a
a
diversity
of
of
professions.
C
Really
I
mean
we've
got
phds,
we've
got
architects,
we've
got,
I
mean
it's
really,
I'm
really
happy
to
see
the
the
swath
of
folks
that
we
had
apply
and
because
it's
going
to
be
diverse
and
you're
all
kind
of
saying
the
same
thing,
but
you
come
from
different
places
and
I
think
the
differences
between
folks
is
what's
going
to
make.
This
really
really
work.
I
One
thing
I
wanted
to
jump
in
and
say
was
that
I
think
part
of
the
reason
we
saw
a
lot
of
the
arctic
this
year.
Part
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
alternative
you
know
interventions
were
out
out
out
of
commission
because
of
the
pandemic
because
of
all
the
financial
restraints
you
know,
but
this
is
a
committee
that
we're
hoping
will
be
around
for
some
time.
I
It's
actually
it's
in
law
to
be
around
for
some
time,
so
that
it's
a
it
focuses
on
how
to
address
this.
These
issues
when
we
get
back
to
some
some
type
of
normalcy
on
and
what
is
working,
what
is
not
working,
what
needs
more
support,
what
needs
to
be
strengthened
and
how
we
can
we
can
get
there.
So
the
committee
is
a
long-term
commitment
to
addressing
the
issue,
and
you
know
the
terms
are
only
two
years,
but
you
know
people
feel
that
they
can
commit
for
another
two
years.
I
I'm
sure
we'd
be
more
than
welcome
to
do
that
to
to
accept
that,
because
you
know
again,
these
are
individuals
that
are
volunteering
their
time
to
try
to
address
a
serious
issue
in
our
city.
So
we're
very
appreciative
of
that.
B
C
Okay,
so
thank
you,
sir,
and
in
case
you're
wondering
this
is
our
last
night
of
interviews,
we'll
we'll
make
probably
make
decisions
tonight
or
in
the
next
couple
days
reach
out
to
people
in
a
week
or
so
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
first
meeting.
It's
probably
not
going
to
be
until
maybe
the
second
week
of
the
year,
maybe
second
third,
just
as
a
an
initial
contact
for
the
group
to
to
kind
of
get
started
so
that
that's
where
we're
at.
B
C
C
C
So
we
got
barry
brother
barry
coming
up.
F
C
You're
with
us
barry.
B
C
Can
can
you
one
of
you
do
that
please.
H
B
P
C
Right,
I
I
apologize,
we
got
backed
up
and
we
kind
of
we're
a
little
behind
so
so.
C
For
you
for
your
patience,
so
thank
you
again
for
your
interest.
Also,
this
is
important
work
and
and
thank
you
for
stepping
up
yet
again.
So
what
we
need
you
to
do
is
just
enter.
Introduce
yourself
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
committee
or
the
task
force,
and
then
members
will
ask
a
few
questions
so
I'll.
C
Q
Okay,
great
hi,
everyone,
it's
been
a
long
day
good
evening.
Q
My
name
is
barry
walleston
and
I
am
a
resident
of
albany
twice
so
I'm
from
north
carolina
but
moved
up
here
in
the
second
grade
or
first
grade
and
went
to
school
24
before
it
became
toast.
So
I'm
dating
myself-
and
I
was
here
when
mayor
corny-
was
mayor,
so
I
I've
been
here
a
long
time.
I
hope
I
don't
look
like
I've
been
here
a
long
time.
Q
However,
I've
been
here,
I
lived
on
morton
avenue
and
37
morden
avenue
before
it
became,
I
think,
to
lincoln
square
and
the
other
lincoln
square.
But
I've
been
here
quite
a
while.
Then
I
moved
back
to
north
carolina,
then
I
came
back
here
and
went
to
undergrad
and
grad
school.
So
I've
been
here
like
45
years,
because
I
I've
been
living
in
pine
hills
for
25
years
in
ward,
11
used
to
be
war
12
with
mike
o'brien,
now
ward
11..
Q
So
I
tend
to
like
stability,
so
I've
been
in
on
buchanan
street
for
the
last
25
years
in
my
home
and
I've
had
I,
I
guess
I
wouldn't
just
give
you
kind
of
breadth
of
what
I've
been
doing.
But
when
I
graduated
from
college,
my
first
job
was
working
as
a
child
care
worker
at
parsons
family
center,
and
I
did
that
for
two
years
and
then
my
second
job
was.
I
was
two
out
of
90
probation
officers.
Q
I
was
a
albany
county
probation
officer
for
five
years
and
I
did
that
working
solely
for
the
five
years
in
juvenile
in
the
juvenile
unit,
and
that
was
quite
an
enriching
experience.
But
I
I
guess
I
highlight
that
back
in
1984
there
were
only
two
blacks
who
were
probation
officers
and
we
disproportionately
represented
the
the
caseload,
and
that
was
20
some
some
odd
years
ago
and
then
from
there.
Q
I
worked
as
a
recruiter
for
the
national
guard,
recruiting
students
16
to
18
to
go
to
a
challenge
program
at
camp
smith,
and
so
I
recruited
across
the
state
but
again
saw
how
disadvantaged
educational
systems
were
for
those
who
may
not
be
always
equipped
to
go
through
the
educational
process.
Q
However,
this
experience
at
camp
smith
really
allowed
them
to
read,
provided
some
exposure
and
to
meet
other
people
who
look
like
them
who
had
careers
from
there.
Q
I
worked
at
whitney
m
young
health
center
and
worked
actually
first
in
cheers
with
hiv
and
aids
and
then
did
that
for
two
years
and
then
I
worked
as
the
assistant
director
of
the
whitney
yum
young
methadone
treatment
program,
and
then
I
became
the
director
of
the
methadone
treatment
program
from
there,
I'm
where
I
am
today,
which
is
at
the
new
york
state
department
of
health,
where
I've
been
23
years
at
the
department
of
health
and
work.
Q
I've
had
various
positions
at
the
department
of
health,
but
right
now,
as
you
see
the
bags
under
my
eyes,
we're
responsible
for
the
mobile
testing
sites
and
I'm
a
manager
at
the
department
of
health
and
actually
I've
been
working,
been
deployed
at
green
isle
at
all
the
testing
sites
and
right
now,
I'm
deployed
at
the
albany
suny
testing
site.
Q
As
one
of
the
leads
that's
me
and
I'm
on
several
boards,
I'm
on
I'm
on
several
boards,
I'm
the
president
of
black
child
development
institute,
which
I'm
very
passionate
about
early
childhood
literacy,
but
I'm
also
passionate
about
working
with
disadvantaged
disenfranchised
communities,
on
understanding
really
where
marginalized
communities
sit
throughout
the
continuum
and
all
the
systems
that
we
have
before
us.
And,
of
course,
criminal
justice
is
one
of
those
systems.
B
Q
By
this
system,
so
that's
it
I'm
a
social
worker
by
profession.
So
I
talk
a
lot,
so
I
want
to
stop
talking.
E
Yeah
good
evening,
mr
wilson,
thank
you
for
coming
and
thank
you
for
the
work
very
impressed
by
your
resume
and
the
work
that
you've
done,
and
I
feel
education
is
one
of
the
key
ways
to
lift
up
society.
I
mean
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
have
a
free
and
decent
education
system,
so
all
the
applicants.
I
I
try
to
describe
this
committee,
it's
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
at
the
same
time.
You
know
this
is
something
it's
relatively
new.
E
The
task
force,
it's
just
something
that
you
know
we're
developing
as
we
go
along.
We
don't
know
the
number
of
members
on
the
committee
yet,
but
we
do
have
a
go
and
the
goal
is
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
bring
down
the
violence,
especially
in
the
summer
when
it
hits
a
peak.
So
that's
the
goal
we're
going
to
be
aiming
for.
You
know
in
the
coming
upcoming
winter
and
spring
season,
this
committee,
we
don't
know
how
many
times
it'll
meet
and
whether
we'll
have
subcommittees.
E
But
you
know,
do
you
have
the
time
and
the
commitment.
E
To
this
and
to
follow
through
it's
a
two-year
commitment
that
we're
asking
folks,
you
know
to
get
appointed.
Q
Well,
yes,
as
an
indication
is
my
commitment
to
things
that
I'm
involved
in.
I
ran
for
the
school
board
four
times,
so
I
mean
that's
crazy,
but
anyway,
there
is
a
commitment
if
I'm
engaged
in
any
type
of
process,
I'm
I'm
especially
interested
in.
Q
E
F
F
Q
I
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
for
our
city
and
all
the
work
you
continue
to
do
for
our
city
and
for
your
willingness
to
volunteer
on
this
committee,
a
question
that
I'm
asking
all
the
candidates.
I
want
to
be
consistent.
I
I
B
Q
Q
I
think
my
perspective
around
when
people
ask
around
collaboration
is
understanding
that
different
doesn't
mean
deficient,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
different
thought,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you're
deficient
about
that
thought.
But
first
you
have
to
get
to
that
understanding.
Q
So
you
may
hear,
and
part
of
that
is
kind
of
like
reframing
and
translating
conversations
right,
so
people
don't
want
to
buy
in
unless
they
fully
understand
what
it
looks
like
and
what
it
feels
like
and
so
part
of
our
social
work
skills
is,
is,
is
really
trying
to
understand
the
narrative
make
sure
that
there
is
it's
not
always
going
to
be
a
50
50.
and
I'm
real
clear
with
that
you're
not
always
going
to
appreciate
or
value
the
the
beautiful
background
that
I
see
john
rafael
ricardo
has.
Q
However,
there
is
some
level
of
appreciation
that
you
can
have
right
and
I
think
it's
about
for
me.
It's
about
the
relationship
like
what
is
the
relationship
with
the
finance
committee
like
what?
How
does
it?
What
does
it
mean?
We
have
to
translate
that
into
practical
terms,
because
I
don't
necessarily
do
good
with
like
numbers
or
want
to
go
through
that
process.
If
I
have
to
work
with
them,
I'm
going
to
work
with
them,
but
I
have
to
understand
what
the
relationship
is,
and
I
guess
for
the
for
the
bot.
Q
The
bottom
line
is
that,
yes,
I
collaborate
with
people.
I
want
to
understand
a
relationship.
I
think
translation
of
relationships
are
important
and
that's
where
you
get
the
buy-in
and
you
feel
that
there
could
be
a
win-win
situation.
The
other
reality
is
that
it's
not
always
a
win-win,
and
so
part
of
it
is
just
going
through
the
human
experience
and
understanding
where
that
sits,
it's
not
to
stay
in
it,
and
I
guess
what
I
wanted
to
as
people
were
talking.
Q
M
Hello
barry
thank
you
for
being
here
today
my
question,
which
you
somewhat
answering
some
of
your
responses,
so
just
checking
in
on
you
know,
we've
obviously
seen
an
increase
in
violence
in
2020,
in
particular
here
in
the
city.
Q
Q
It's
a
fluid
community,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
important
is
understanding
the
community
right.
What
are
some
strategies
that
we
that
we
collectively
can
provide
to
continue
to
help,
build
and
save
our
families
and
young
people
and
communities,
and
part
of
that
is
valuing
it.
So
we
do
have
some
some
great
programs
that
are
happening.
Q
Is
it
enough?
No,
it's
not
enough.
Are
there
some
other
areas
of
concern,
so
people
act
out
because
of
behavior
because
of
either
some
deficit
of
some
need
right,
and
so
are
we
trying
to
address
violence
without
understanding
that
look,
people
need
to
talk
about
why
they're,
angry
and
pissed
off
so
how
many
safe
pa
safe
spaces?
Do
we
have
how
many
times
have
people
call
community
meetings
and
say
we
just
want
to
have
a
rap
session
right?
We
offer
jobs
for
the
summer,
but
do
we
really
understand
what
that
tr?
Q
How
that
translate
to
barry,
who
may
be
a
single
father,
has
four
kids
or
who
may
be
the
only
sold
provider
or
a
young
person,
who's
dropped
out
of
school
and
just
collected
money,
but
doesn't
understand
finances.
So
I
think
we
have
to
complement
whatever
we
do.
We
have
to
build
and
complement
it's
not
to
say
everything
that
we've
been
doing
and
what
we
have
throw
it
out,
but
it
is
understanding
that
we
have
to
one
if
we're
if
the
city
is
really
serious,.
Q
About
changing
the
trajectory
of
black
and
brown
communities
and
disadvantage,
or
on
students
on
young
people
who
don't
have
opportunities,
you
have
to
invest.
That's
the
bottom
line,
we're
all
sitting
in
our
seats,
because
someone
invested
in
us
educationally
economically
and
had
mentorship
into
there's.
There's
no
difference.
I
mean
it's
not
hard
to
figure
out.
There
has
to
be
an
investment
and
it
costs.
Q
That's.
You
can't
cut
that
any
other
way,
and
you
know
my
challenge
is
what's
been
given
to
me.
I
am
responsible
for
giving
it
back
in
the
best
way
that
I
can
right
so
mentorship,
tutelage,
reframing
stuff,
for
you
know
little
berries
who
don't
get
it
and
making
sure
that
they
have
a
resource.
They
know
how
to
call
their
council
person
and
say:
look
I
don't
like
the
way
the
street
looks.
Q
I
don't
feel
safe,
but
part
of
it
is
that
you
all
didn't
become
common
counsel.
People
just
waking
up
doing
it.
You
either
were
exposed
to
it
or
you
had
someone
directing
you
towards
it,
and
so
we
have
to
be
a
little
bit
more
intentional
and
deliberate
about
what
it
is
that
we
want.
As
an
outcome-
and
I
truly
want
everyone
to
have
a
healthier
and
brighter
productive
experience
in
life
right
so
yeah
as
a
social
worker
and
keep
talking
so
I
gotta-
I
had
to
rail
it
back
a
notch
right.
C
So,
thank
you
barry
my
question
for
everyone.
That's
come
before
us
has
been
about
community
engagement
and
I
I'm
quite
familiar
with
you
as
as
our
most
people
on
the
call.
So
I
won't.
I
won't
go
there
we'll
just
pass
a
little
along
to
councilmember
inani
you're
up.
J
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
barry.
I
hope
everything
is
going
well
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
service
to
the
city
and
you
continue
volunteer
services
and
advocacy
for
the
city,
particularly
our
youth,
in
the
black
and
brown
community.
My
first
question
is
more
so
the
violence
in
the
city
of
albany
do
you
believe
it's
a
government
shortcoming
or
is
it
personal
responsibility.
Q
I
believe
is
a
combination
I
don't
think
is
either
or,
and
people
respond
to
their
communities
when
they're
safe
in
their
communities.
Q
People
can't
be
responsible
without
having
the
means
to
try
to
be
better
right,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
violence,
we're
talking
about
substance,
use
we're
talking
about
domestic
violence,
we're
talking
about
lack
of
education,
we're
talking
about
angered
men
like
that
concept,
I
guess
when
we
reframe
it
as
violence,
violence
just
doesn't
happen
because
there
is
a
systemic
there's,
a
root
cause,
and
so
how
do
we?
How
does
a
city
city
has
a
responsibility
to
say?
Q
Look,
you
know
if
there
are
little
barriers
out
at
night,
then
I
would
expect
that
and
I'm
five
years
old,
that
some
community
leadership
is
going
to
say.
Look.
We
need
to
talk
about
this
and
sit
down
and
see
what
this
looks
like
or
we
need
to
impose
something
right,
and
so
what
it
is
that
you
all
do
you,
someone
has
to
make
hard
choices
like
barry,
can't
run
rampant
and
create
mayhem
forever.
Q
Q
What
does
that
look
like
my
council,
president?
Alfredo
you
know,
I'm
concerned
in
my
community
about
abandoned
homes
about
homes
that
are
not
kept
like.
Why
so
personal
responsibility?
I
just
use
my
street.
Q
You
know
these.
Are.
It
was
a
retired
street.
Now
it's
a
very
family,
centered
or
family.
It's
a
very
family
street.
There's
a
lot
of
families
here
yet
and
still
I'm
often
telling
young
people
you
can't
litter
like
you're,
not
part
of
my
like,
I
didn't
have
you
but
here's
the
standard.
This
is
a.
This
is
what
I
this
is
what
we
should
value
on
this
street
right.
So
can
I
get
to
them
with
personal
responsibility
without
showing
them
somebody
has
to
model
it.
J
Q
I
think
just
history
there's
been
historical
incidents,
events
that
have
happened
that
have
tarnished
relationships,
and
so
we
know
this
we
just
recently
had
you
know
I
just
got
off
a
call
with
with
another
committee
where
we
did
actually
set
still
for
eight
minutes
and
46
seconds.
You
know
talk
with
phil
george
floyd,
like
when.
I
even
think
about
that.
I
get
really
terribly
emotional.
Q
So
that's
a
very
present
experience.
So
that's
not
the
only
experience
that
police
have
created
and
done.
There
are
some
very
good
things
that
they
do.
There
are
some
very
good
things
that
they
become
kelly
in
his
trajectory,
and
so
it's
in
recognizing
that
recognizing
and
acknowledging
the
fact
that
these
historical
events
have
not
been
good
and
how
do
we
repair
it,
and
so
there
needs
to
be
reparation,
and
people
have
to
systems
have
to
be
accountable.
Q
The
images
of
the
police
relationships
with
black
and
brown
communities
have
to
be
shifted.
We
talked
about
representation
like
we
know
all
this.
We
really
know
all
this
in
2020,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
move
to
action.
We
want
to
make
sure
policies
reflect
what
community
policing
could
stand
for.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
people
under
the
communities
understand
their
rights
as
citizens.
Right
we
don't
do.
We
don't
do
that.
I
mean
we
don't
go
around
and
say
hey
by
the
way.
Q
You
know
if
you
get
stopped
by
the
police,
the
center
for
law
and
justice,
which
I
used
to
work,
for
we
did
legal
legal
rights
right
to
know,
workshops,
and
so
those
things
have
they
haven't
been
happening
as
frequently
as
they
need
to,
but
you
know
that
would
build
the
relationships
and
it's
a
system.
It's
a
huge
system
that
we
just
need
to
continue
to
to
you
all.
J
Thank
you,
and
my
last
question
is
also
you
know
right
now,
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
and
many
elected
officials
are
saying
you
know
the
gun
violence
is
you
know
the
pandemic?
Is
the
pandemic?
It's
the
pandemic.
That's
the
reason
why
we're
having
violence
as
a
whole
from
your
field
and
also
from
your
experience,
can
you
share
how
the
pandemic
crisis
has
exacerbated
violence
in
the
black
community.
Q
Well,
we've
never
dealt
with
what
our
mental
wellness
mental
health
is
look
like
for
black
and
brown
communities
right,
and
so
we
know
with
this
pandemic-
has
created
alienation
and
isolation
right
and
people
feeling
lonely
and
depressed
and
people
being
in
the
same
room
with
people
who
they
don't
want
to
be.
With
I
mean
some
of
our
kids
are
really
suffering,
because
there
are
issues
around
dvd.
There
are
issues
around
physical
and
sexual
abuse
right.
This
pandemic
just
intensified
because
there
were
at
least
a
safe
haven
for
a
lot
of
our
young
people.
Q
Q
Q
Q
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
saying
I'm
saying
a
lot
of
things,
but
it's
a
lot
to
unpack.
Okay,
it's
not
that
simple.
It's
not!
As
you
know,
pandemic
gun
violence
has
been
happening.
It's
going
to
happen,
it's
continuing
to
happen.
It's
like
well,
even
without
the
pandemic.
There
was
still
this
low
level
of
you
know
stuff
that
was
happening.
C
Okay,
so
we're
at
the
end
of
our
questions,
barry
do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
Q
I
am
a
proud
member
of
five
agencies,
fraternity
incorporated,
so
I
I
think
you
know
when
I
think
about
all
the
organizations
that
I'm
part
of
and
the
social
action
that
we
we
are
part
of,
because
we
believe
in
social
action.
It's
important
for
me
to
be
part
of
a
experience
and
advisory
board.
Q
We
just
there
has
to
be
the
lens
of
strength
base.
First,
before
being
problematic.
We
know
that
we
can
hear
and
see
the
problems,
but
it
takes
us
much
much.
It
takes
much
more
work
to
think
about.
Well,
what
is
the
kernel
of
hope
and
affirmation
and
resiliency
and
respect,
and
all
that
stuff
that
our
community
brings
or
that
a
group
of
young
people
bring?
Q
So
with
that,
I
really
thank
you
all.
I
appreciate
you.
If
you
haven't
been
tested,
feel
free
to
go
to
suny
albany
and
get
your
mobile
test
go,
get
tested.
B
C
Hello,
miss
miss
welsh,
kelly,
kimbrough,
chair
of
public
safety.
Welcome,
thank
you
for
your
interest.
I
apologize
for
our
we're
backed
up
time-wise,
so
I
appreciate
you
staying
with
us.
So
the
way
we
proceed
is
have
you
do
introduce
yourself
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
we'll
ask
some
questions.
R
Okay,
well
good
night,
everyone,
it's
been
a
long
night
for
you
as
well,
so
I
completely
understand
I'm
roxanne
welch
and
I
guess
a
general
background,
I'm
36
years
old,
I
was
born
in
jamaica.
R
I
immigrated
to
the
us
when
I
was
10.,
I
relocated
to
albany
for
a
job
at
the
university
at
albany,
which
is
where
I
currently
work.
I
have
been
here
for
probably
a
year
and
eight
months
now
I
have
a
nine-year-old
son
and
my
interest
in
joining.
This
committee
was
just
from
moving
here.
R
You
know
watching
the
news,
and
especially
over
the
time
you
know
there
were
shootings
and
things
going
on
and
violence,
but
then,
over
the
time
during
the
pandemic,
the
violence
just
skyrocketed,
and
when
I
saw
you
know
on
the
news,
I
saw
it
on
the
news
that
they
were
looking
for
participants
to
join
in
this
committee.
You
know,
I
said
to
myself,
you
know
what
am
I
doing.
You
know
besides
existing
and
just
working
and
being
a
parent,
I
want
to
do
something
to
give
back.
R
B
E
Good
evening
miss
miss
welch.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
taking
the
time
to
interview
with
us
on
the
committee.
We
really
appreciate
your
work
and
your
work
at
the
university,
which
is
vital
to
to
our
city.
I
give
this
feel
to
all
the
applicants.
You
know
think
about
this
committee
as
being
a
plane
that
you're
flying
but
you're
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying
it.
We've
we
don't
have
set
the
parts
really
haven't
been
put
together,
yet
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
on
the
committee?
How
often
they're
going
to
meet?
E
Will
there
be
subcommittees?
You
know
who
will
chair
it?
This
is
all
kind
of
up
in
the
air,
but
the
main
goal
of
this
committee
is
to
try
to
do
something
about
the
violence,
especially
in
the
summer
time,
because
there
seems
to
be
an
uptick
there
with
that
being
said,
you
know
this
the
winter
season
and
the
spring
season.
E
I
foresee
this
committee
meeting,
you
know
many
times,
maybe
subcommittee's
meeting.
Can
you
commit?
Do
you
have
the
time
to
commit
to
to
be
on
this
important
task
force?
That's
you
know
critical
to
the
city
and
it's
just
let
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
two-year
commitment.
The
committee
will
stay
on,
I
mean
if
you
wanted
to
stay
on,
you
could
but
we're
asking
people
to
commit
to
two
years.
If
you
do
get
appointed
to
the
committee,
so
you
know,
do
you
have
the
time
to
invest.
R
Thank
you,
thomas
a
hundred
percent.
I
went
into
this
knowing
that
it
was
going
to
take
work
and
there
would
be
meetings
and
putting
minds
together
to
come
up
with
plans
and
and
things
like
that.
It's
something
that
I
want
to
dedicate
time
to
and
I'm
100
willing
to
make
that
time
and
figuring
out,
and
you
know
trying
to
do
good
for
this
community,
and
I
would
say
you
know
a
part
of
you
know,
building
the
plane
while
you're
on
it
is
what
I
think
everyone
is
dealing
with
during
this
time
of
covet.
R
Even
working
at
the
university
you
know,
dealing
with
a
pandemic
is
not
something
that
we're
used
to
at
all,
so
we're
trying
to
navigate
that
you
know
and
create
policies
and
navigate
it
at
the
same
time
we're
flying
and
building
the
plane.
So
it's
definitely
something
especially
during
this
time
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
gotten
used
to.
K
M
Hi
roxanne,
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
My
question
for
you
is:
we've
seen
an
uptick
in
violence
in
2020
in
particular.
What
changes
or
improvements
would
you
like
to
see
made
to
hopefully
resolve
some
of
the
increase
in
violence
that
we're
seeing.
R
Well,
my
my
current
thoughts
are
of
changes
that
could
be
made
is
just
giving
access
to
programs
or
resources
to
community
members.
I
think
you
have
to
tackle
it
in
two
ways:
how
do
you
reach
younger
kids
before
they
get
to
the
point
of
where,
where
they're
joining
gangs,
or
how
do
you
reach
those
people?
And
then
how
do
you
reach
the
people
who
are
on
the
cusp
of
that
or
the
18
year
old,
or
you
know
so?
There's
two
age
groups
that
you
want
to
attack.
R
Maybe
for
younger
groups,
it's
expanding
and
I
will
say
you
don't
have
to
recreate
the
wheel
like
what
are
other
programs
that
are
happening,
that
you
can
attach
yourself
to
or
lend
resources
to.
I
know
you
know
just
from
being
here
short
number
time
victory.
Church
does
a
lot
in
the
community.
Can
you
piggyback
on
them
and
you
know,
lend
resources
and
help
them
expand?
What
they're
doing
this
summer,
particularly
the
albany?
R
I
think
parks
department
had
a
program
like
a
week
summer
program
and
they
had
it
in
bethlehem
in
del
mar,
and
I
you
know
to
myself,
I
tried
to
sign
up.
It
was
late
like
the
program
was
full
and
you
know
I
have
a
car,
but
I
was
to
think
about
equity
how
many
people
are
going
to
make
it
from
downtown
albany
all
the
way
to
del
mar
when
it's
albany
program
and
that's
where
they
located
that
program?
So
you
know
why
wasn't
you
know?
R
What
are
the
resources
that
would
have
made
it
closer
in
the
community
in
a
park
in
you
know
in
downtown
albany
or
you
know,
how
could
you
get
more
spots
or
more
spaces
for
these
type
of
programs?
So
it
doesn't
reach
capacity
so
quickly.
So
I
think
definitely
things
like
that
could
help.
You
know
you
know
joining
committee
and
putting
minds
together.
R
You
know
you
kind
of
build
as
you
go
and
take
some
things
apart
and
put
it
together,
but
definitely
finding
resources
in
the
community,
and
you
know
helping
the
youth
and
whether
it's
partnering
with
schools
on
trade
programs,
so
that
you
can
see
that
you
know
there's
other
venues
or
venue
streams
of
making
money.
I
think
you
know
drug
dealers,
you
have
a
mind
for
business,
use
it
for
good.
You
know
you
have
you
know,
you're,
counting
money
or
whatever
you're
doing.
R
How
do
you
get
them
into
a
business
program
to
see
how
they
can
channel
that
into
a
positive
outlet
or
you
know,
teach
them
a
trade
learn
how
to
be
a
barber
or
a
mechanic?
Or
things
like
that.
So
I
do
think
you
have
to
you
know
get
to
you
know
who
are
on
the
cusp
of
maybe
joining
gangs
or
being
bad
or
doing.
You
know
the
wrong
things
and
you
have
to
get
the
younger
youth
and
you
know,
and
you
you
know,
get
them
to
channel
their
energy
and
use
it
in
a
constructive.
I
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
taking
your
time.
Thank
you
for
volunteering
for
this
position.
We
appreciate
that
the
question
I'm
asking
all
all
candidates
is
we're
looking
to
build
a
diverse
committee
with
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
perspective,
different
work
experiences
with
the
goal
of
being
able
to
move
the
needle
on
this
issue.
It's
an
issue
that
we've
been
dealing
with
for
for
some
time
now.
It's
not
a
2020
issue,
it's
beyond
that.
I
R
I
think
I
I'm
I'm
great
at
it
working
at
the
university
and
all
my
previous
job.
Experience
lends
to
working
on
teams
and
being
a
team
player,
I
think,
coming
into
an
environment
with
respect
for
others
and
their
thoughts,
whether
it's
different
from
my
own,
just
having
that
respect
for
others
and
their
point
of
view
and
understanding
that
and
understanding
the
value
in
that,
I
think,
is
something
that
I
personally
value
different
backgrounds
and
what
people
can
actually
bring
to
the
table.
R
I
think
it's
a
positive
thing
and
I
think
I
I
work
well
on
teams.
I
work
well
collaboratively.
I
know
when
it's
time
to
you
know
fight,
and
I
know
when
it's
time
to
fold
and
say
you
know
this
is
the
greater
good.
Is
it
worth
me?
You
know,
sometimes
it's
not
worth
you
getting
what
you
want.
R
I
C
You
misspoke,
so
you
mentioned
that
you
work
at
the
university
and,
and
you
do
stuff
up
there,
you
get
to
get
a
chance
to
do
any
community
engagement
or
get
involved
with
community
outside
of
the
university
and
and
maybe
say
some
of
these
impacted
neighborhoods
we're
talking
about.
R
So,
like
I
said,
I'm
pretty
new
to
albany.
I've
been
here
a
year
and
eight
months,
but
I
did
you
know,
especially
during
the
covet.
I
would
say
it's
it
was.
It
was
I'd,
probably
say
a
life-changing
moment
for
me:
everything
that's
going
on
seeing
the
lives
lost,
it
has
impacted
me
personally.
I
lost
my
grandmother
during
this
time
and
it
just
kind
of
made
me
reflect
on
what
am
I
doing
you
know
what's
my
purpose,
what
am
I
giving
back?
R
You
know
just
what
am
I
doing
and
you
know
driving
through
albany.
I
saw
these
little
serve.
You
albany
signs
like
little.
I
guess
yard
signs,
and
at
that
point
I
signed
up
to
be
a
big
brother,
big
sister,
and
that
process
is
actually
going
through.
Now
I
did
all
my
interviews
and
and
that
process
and
I'm
waiting
to
be
matched
and
like
all
they
ask
for,
is
you
know
like
two
two
hours
a
month.
R
R
I
definitely
want
to
be
on
this
committee
and
see
any
ideas
that
we
can
come
together
to
definitely
help
the
youth
that
are
coming
up
and
to
make
this
this
community
safer
for
myself,
my
family
for
for
everyone
for
black
and
browns
for
everyone
who's
a
part
of
this
community,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
you
know
to
being
here
and
see
what
more
that
I
can
contribute
to.
As
a
as
a
member
of
this
community.
F
Do
you
want
to
say
something
joe
yeah,
one
quick
question?
Thank
you
for
applying
for
this
and
I'm
very
very
happy
seeing
your
excitement
about
this.
I
was
looking
at
your
resume
and
you
have
a
master's
in
public
health
administration
and
it
reminded
me
of
a
man
in
the
city,
probably
15
16
years
ago.
His
name
was
dr
leonard
morgan
besser.
He
had
a
phd
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
I
thought
it
was
public
health,
but
how
he
started
up
a
gun,
violence
task
force
in
the
city
of
albany.
F
R
No,
I
I've
never
heard
of
it,
but
I
would
say
any
if
there's
gun
violence
in
the
city
and
different
departments
can
take
up
the
charge,
whether
it's
public
health,
whether
it's
you
know,
albany
police
department,
can
take
up
the
charge
to
try
to
combat
it.
I
don't
think
it
hurts
the
program
any
to
if
different
areas
or
different
venues
are
trying
to
tackle
the
the
same
thing.
So
let's
say,
if
you
know
if
he
said,
oh,
this
is
a
public
health
issue.
R
I
agree,
people
dying
people
getting
hurt
affects
the
hospitals
affects
you,
know
insurance,
it
affects
costs,
it
affects
livelihood,
it
affects
mental
health,
it
affects
you,
know
the
kids
growing
up.
I
I
definitely.
F
C
You
you
got
yeah,
okay,
so
miss
welsh.
That's
the
end
of
our
questions.
Do
you
have
a
any
questions
for
us.
R
R
Time
and
help
in
any
way
that
I
can
so
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
C
Yes,
it's
kelly,
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee,
so
thank
you
for
being
interested
in
in
helping
out
with
this
and
volunteering
for
this.
What
we'll
do?
Okay,.
C
Just
thank
you
for
being
here
and
for
being
willing
to
get
involved.
So
we'll
just
have
you
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
we'll
ask
you
questions.
P
Hi
everybody,
my
name,
is
joyce
williams
born
and
raised
in
albany,
new
york
raised
right
up
here
in
arbor
hill,
I'm
first
below
swan.
I
am
a
mother
of
five.
I
am
a
grandmother
of
23,
a
great-grandmother
of
eight,
which
includes
a
set
of
twins,
boys
and
girls.
P
P
I
am
a
new
york
state,
certified
substance
abuse
counselor
here
in
albany,
I've
been
doing
that
work
for
over
20
years.
I
love
it.
It's
a
passion,
I
love
helping
people
and
I
want
to
be
on
the
committee.
I
I
seen
it
on
tv
and
I
always
wanted
to
do
something.
In
the
memory
of
my
nephew.
My
nephew's
name
was
larry
omar
miller.
P
He
was
one
of
the
young
men
that
was
killed
over
in
washington
park
back
in
1997
by
four
young
men,
okay,
they're
looking
for
somebody
to
rob
and
my
nephew
and
his
friend
was
walking
through
washington
park
and
they
asked
him
to
go
back
and
they
killed
him
on
the
bridal
path.
Now
I
was
angry
at
the
time,
but
when
I
looked
at
the
whole
situation,
it
was
like
my
nephew
and
these
young
boys,
everybody
was
young
and
I
felt
like
nobody
in
that
situation
won.
P
You
know
these
young
boys
got
sentenced
to
20
25
years
to
life,
and
you
know
I
was
like
nobody
wanted
this
situation,
but
that
situation
didn't
harden
my
heart.
I
always
think
about
like
how
can
we?
What
can
I
do
to
help?
Or
what
can
I
do
to
help
my
community?
So
a
couple
of
times
after
that,
shooting
I
got
involved
with
stop
the
violent
marches
and
you
know
marching
around
the
neighborhood
a
couple
of
times
and
for
a
little
while
the
shootings
had
died
out.
You
know,
but
I
always
well.
P
I
had
wanted
to
put
something
over
in
the
park
in
memory
of,
but
the
city.
Wouldn't
let
us
at
that
time
because
I
didn't
think
they
wanted
something
in
washington
park.
Of
course,
people
go
there
all
the
time,
so
my
passion
has
always
been
to
help.
I've
been
a
member
of
the
treatment
works
march
for
the
last
25
years
that
all
the
providers
in
the
neighborhood
we
get
together
and
and
it
alternates
the
march
from
arby
hill
to
the
south
end
and
we
march
around
all
the
different
providers.
P
You
know
I
work
with
all
type
of
people,
even
violent
people,
people
angry
people,
you
know
it's
a
challenging
position,
and
so
you
know
I
love
what
I
do
so
and
I'm
right
here
at
aubrey
hill
right
now
I
work
at
the
home
of
perkins
center,
who
is
named
after
one
of
the
albany
county
legislators
from
albany
who
wanted
to
see
because
there
was
a
lot
of
african
american
men
going
to
jail
instead
of
getting
treatment.
P
So
this
program
became
alternative
incarceration
to
try
to
help
the
guys
from
the
neighborhood
get
treatment
and
improve
the
quality
of
their
life.
So
I
just
want
to
be
a
part
of
to
see
where
I
can
help
and
try
to
see
what's
the
solution,
what
can
we
do
to
help?
You
know
everything's,
not
punitive,
you
know,
so
that's
why
I
chose
and
that's
why
I
signed
up
and
that's
why
it's
enjoyed
the
letter.
C
Thank
you
very
much
tom
yeah.
E
Good
evening,
ms
williams,
thank
you
for
coming
and
spending
the
time
to
talk
to
the
committee
and
I'm
very
impressed
with
your
resume
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
again
another.
Thank
you
for
for
your
daily
work.
I
mean
it's
super
important.
What
I've
told
all
the
applicants
is
this
committee's
gonna
be
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying?
You
know,
we've!
Never!
You
know
this
is
relatively
new.
We
really
haven't
done
anything
like
this.
E
We've
had
other
task
force,
but
not
like
this
particular
one,
we're
not
sure
the
size
yet
or
you
know
when
they're
going
to
meet,
but
you
know
it's
going
to
take
place
in
the
winter
and
and
in
the
spring,
the
goal
of
this
committee,
though
we
do
know
that
is
to
try
to
quell
the
violence
and
especially
in
the
summer
time,
when
there's
an
uptick.
E
So
I
imagine
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
meetings
in
this
coming
winter
and
spring
to
try
to
get
something
in
place
before
the
summer
comes,
so
we're
asking
all
the
members
for
a
two-year
commitment.
E
People
might
want
to
stay
on
after
that.
Two
years
you're
welcome,
but
we'd
like
to
at
least
have
continuity
in
the
committee,
so
my
question
is:
do
you
have
the
time-
and
you
know
the
the
want
to
be
part
of
this
committee
that
could
be
very,
could
be
time
consuming.
Thank
you.
P
F
C
F
I
Miss
williams,
thank
you
for
all
you
do
and
everything
that
you
know
you
continue
to
do
for
our
city
and
for
your
willingness
to
be
on
this
committee
and
to
volunteer
try
to
make
our
neighborhoods
a
safer
place
for
everybody.
The
question
I'm
asking
all
the
candidates.
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
create
a
committee.
That's
diverse.
That
brings
different
individuals
from
different
perspectives.
Different
backgrounds,
different
point
of
views,
different
work
skills
are
to
come
together
to
really
look
at
a
holistic
approach
and
how
we
can
address
this
problem.
I
How
well
are
you
at
working
with
individuals?
You
don't
normally
agree
with
wouldn't
normally
interact
with
and
in
some
cases
might
not
even
like.
P
Well,
I
have
no
problem.
I
do
that
every
day
with
people
I
work
with
all
different
types
of
people
from
all
different
backgrounds,
and
sometimes
I'm
not
going
to
say
I
don't
like
them.
I
might
not
like
their
ways,
but
I'm
willing
to
work
and
help
them
out.
So
that's
not
even
an
issue,
I'm
willing
to
work
with
anybody-
and
you
know
I
work
with
a
diverse
population
now,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
problem.
M
Good
evening,
miss
williams,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here,
and
I
do
want
to
say.
I
do
really
want
to
thank
you
for
being
willing
and
and
to
take
that
the
pain
you've
experienced
and
and
then
channel
that
into
giving
giving
back
to
your
community
so
really
appreciate
you
being
here
today.
My
question
is:
we've
seen
an
uptick
in
violence
in
2020
in
particular
this
year.
What
changes
or
improvements
would
you
like
to
see
made
totally
lead
to
some
resolve.
P
I'm
glad
you
asked,
I
wrote
a
couple
down,
I
don't
know
if
that
happened,
but
I
did
write
some
things
down
that
I
thought
about.
You
know
back
when
I
grew
up.
They
had
the
arby
hill
community
center.
I
don't
know
if
some
of
y'all
remember
that
they
had
the
teen
center
downtown.
They
had
the
aubry
hill
community
center
uptown.
They
have
saint
joe's,
which
is
now
the
albany
barn.
So
what
I
noticed
too
is
that
young
people
don't
have
that
anymore.
P
So
what
can
we
do
to
give
that
back
to
them
maybe
get
another
building?
And
you
know
because,
like
the
teen
center
and
the
overhead
community
center,
a
certain
age
group
went
there
after
school
and
then
they
went
home
and
then
the
teenagers
went
there
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
so
they
had
a
lot
of
other
things
to
do
the
softball
field,
aubrey
hill
softball
field.
I
played
ball
over
there
for
like
10
years.
There
was
a
time
when
families
went
there.
P
You
didn't
hear
about
a
lot
of
this
crime
and
stuff
going
on.
Maybe
if
we
can
rejuvenate
that
or
or
get
it
going
and
get
games
and
families
back
to
doing
something,
because
anytime,
you
wanted
to
find
somebody
in
the
city
of
albany
go
to
arby
hill
softball
field,
mr
wallace,
mr
coons,
I
mean
they
made
that
feel
of
family
feel
some
other
things
I
thought
about
real
quick
was
like.
I
know
right
now
because
of
the
pandemic.
Sometimes
employment
is
hard.
P
The
neighborhood
we
used
to
have
the
neighborhood
police
station
and
I
see
some
of
these
polices
are
set
up
at
certain
corners,
but
what
I
see
too,
is
that
a
lot
of
times
they're
not
in
there.
So
if
somebody
needed
some
kind
of
assistance,
you
know
maybe
making
them
more
visual
and
the
other
thing
was
maybe
a
monthly
community
meeting.
So
people
can
tell
you
what
they
need
and
what's
going
on,
get
so
that
you
know
get
more
in
touch
with
the
community.
P
F
F
Time
and
he
had
different
ways
to
do
things
to
say
the
least.
But
what
do
you
think
of
the
judicial
system
in.
P
F
P
Well,
I
have
to
say,
with
the
city
of
warming,
I'm
going
to
be
partial
to
the
the
chemical
dependency
part,
because
you
know
I
see
a
lot
of
you
know
more
treatment
now
than
locking
them
up.
So
you
know
that
part.
I
can
speak
on.
I
mean
when
my
when
they
tried
the
four
guys
for
myself
my
nephew's
murder.
I
mean
I
was
real
happy
with
the
way
klein
did
it.
It
was
the
son.
I
can't
forget.
I
forgot
his
name,
but
I
mean
I'm
okay
with
it.
F
P
I
heard
some
stuff
about
the
bail
system
and
where
I'm
at
with
that
is
I
mean
I'm
the
type
of
person.
I'm
gonna
tell
you,
my
thing
is:
if
you
commit
a
crime
you
should
you
should
pay
for
what
you
do.
That's
where
I'm
at.
C
C
Thank
you
for
your
interest.
I
for
my
question.
I've
been
asking
applicants
about
community
engagement,
I'm
familiar
with
some
of
your
community
engagement.
I
know
you
brought
us
the
hank
wallace
dedication
to
the
council.
You
came
and
spoke
to
us
about
that.
I
know
you've
been
doing
the
zumbas
over
at
the
basketball
court
and
stuff.
C
So
I
know
you're
engaged
engaging
the
community,
so
I
I
that
was
more
a
statement
than
a
question
because
I
I'm
familiar
with
some
of
the
stuff
that
you're
doing
so
with
that
being
said,
we're
at
the
end
of
our
questions.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
C
M
P
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
I
may
be
to,
I
may
not
be
the
typical
person
you're
looking
for.
P
Fighter,
I
am
a
pusher,
I
am,
I
ask
questions.
You
know.
C
P
Okay-
and
I
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution
and
that
part
of
the
problem-
and
I
don't
think
everything
is
punitive
because
I've
been
on
both
sides
of
the
bonds,
my
nephew
being
killed
again,
you
know
like,
and
then
I
had
a
lot
of
friends
whose
kids
was
killed
too.
So
you
know
if
I
could
help
and
be
part
of
a
solution.
C
Okay
yeah,
so
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
and
you'd
be
happy
to
know
that
for
all
the
folks
that
we
interviewed
and
there
were
some
law
enforcement
folks
in
there,
everyone
looked
at
this
from
a
problem-solving
standpoint.
No
one
was
looking
punitive.
No
one
was
looking
lock
them
up.
So
that's
that's
good!
That's
a
very
positive
thing!
So
thank
you
for
your
interest
and
we'll
be
talking
to
you
to
you
soon.
Okay,
so
you
have
a
good
night
and
be
safe.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
so
we
got
you
there.
Thank
you
orville
for
you
for
your
interest
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll.
Have
you
just
introduce
yourself
to
the
group
and
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
we'll
ask
some
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
patient.
This
has
been
a
long
process
and
you
happen
to
unfortunately
be
at
the
end
of
it,
but
we
say
the
best
for
last.
N
Oh
boy,
thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me
all
right,
so
I'm
orville
abrahams,
I'm
a
long
time.
Well,
I
I
grew
up
in
albany
in
the
south
and
right
on
pearl
street
and
there's
apprentice
apartments,
albany
residents-
I
don't
live
in
london
currently,
but
I
grew
up
there
and
went
to
albany
public
schools
all
behind
sumi
albany,
all
these
in
my
blood.
N
So
when
I
started
working
at
the
y,
I
worked
at
the
albany
y.
I've
been
involved
in
various
social
community
events
in
albany.
Well,
two
years
ago
I
got
the
african
heritage
parade
together
in
albany,
and
I
have
most
of
my
friends.
Family
and
acquaintances
are
from
the
city
of
albany,
so
I
feel
a
deep
connection
to
the
city
in
my
bones:
it's
it
really
is
there
and
the
people
of
all
me
are
dear
to
me,
as
I
have
known
them.
Practically
all
my
life.
N
I've
I've
been
through
several
mayors,
it
seems
like
albany's
only
had
three
bears,
but
there's
been
more
four.
I
think,
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
all
four
of
them.
N
N
Now
it
turns
out
that
these
states
of
violence
there's
always
been
violence,
but
now
it
seems,
as
the
violence
has
ratcheted
up,
because
probably
the
introduction
of
firearms
years
and
years
ago,
but
now
it
just
seems
a
lot
more
random
and
I
know
albany
can
do
better,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
better
until
people
get
involved
and
that's
the
bottom
line.
So
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
that's
my
story.
E
Thank
you,
mr
abrams,
for
for
coming
taking
the
time-
and
you
know
interviewing
with
the
committee
for
the
task
force
position.
I've
told
all
the
applicants.
This
is
gonna,
be
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying
it's
a
relatively
new
committee
task
force.
E
We
don't
know
the
size,
yet
we
don't
know
when
it's
going
to
meet
or
who
the
chair
will
be,
but
we
do
know
what
the
goal
is
and
the
goal
is
to
have
the
task
force
come
up
with
ways
to
try
to
curb
the
violence
in
the
city,
especially
in
the
summer
time
when
it
seems
to
ramp
up.
So
with
that
being
said,
you
know,
there's
gonna,
probably
be
a
a
time
commitment
this
winter
and
going
into
spring
to
try
to
have
something
put
together
in
time
for
the
summer.
E
So
with
that
being
said
again,
I
can't
predict
how
many
hours
you
will
be
required.
But
do
you
have
the
time
to
commit
to
this
committee
and
you
know
we're
going
to
ask
people
to
serve
for
two
years.
The
committee
will
go
on
and
you're
welcome
to
reapply,
but
you
know
we
don't
want
to
burn
people
out
either.
So
you.
B
B
N
Well,
yes,
I
will
say
yes
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
nothing
comes
without
sacrifice
right.
So
if
you
want
to
do
something
impactful,
you
got
to
give
up
something,
and
I'm
sure
you
you
folks
who
are
serving
on
the
on
the
council,
know
that
you're
giving
up
something
for
a
cause.
N
You
spend
a
lot
of
your
time
involved
in
the
affairs
of
all
me.
You
try
to
help
run
the
government
and
of
albany
and
make
sure
that
the
citizens
in
your
award
are
are
justly
represented,
but
I
think
everybody
here
wants
to
see
a
better
albany
and
if
we're
talking
about
violence
with
our
young
people
and
others,
it's
going
to
take
a
sacrifice.
N
B
F
Kelly,
someone
want
to
go
first
or
sunny.
You
know
orville
how.
F
Resume
and
it's
really
impressive-
the
work
that
you've
done
on
different
task
force
and
and
different
committees,
and
things
like
this
and
one
thing
really
stands
out
to
me-
is
you
work
with
the
ymca?
F
It's
something
that
was
was
dear
to
my
heart
in
albany
until
it
closed,
and
I
think
a
couple
other
y's,
the
y
in
the
concourse,
the
y
in
school
20.
they're
all
closed
down
now
right,
but.
B
F
To
me
that
was
a
big
part
of
the
community
that
I
grew
up
in
okay
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
from
that.
Okay
from
all
parts
of
the
city,
we
still
talk,
we
get
together
sometimes,
and
it
was.
It
was
terrible
that
closed,
because
something
like
that
kept
people
together.
Okay,
you
know
it's
an
issue,
I
mean
you
know
everybody
for
playing
hoop
whatever
it
is
that
you
know
what
I
mean
and
it
was
a
big
loss
to
the
city
and
I
think
we
need
more.
F
I
think
we
could
use
another
I'd
love
to
see
the
old
way
open
back
up
again,
but
I
think
we
need
some
community
centers.
That
could
be
one,
but
I
think
it's
just
an
important
part.
I
think
it's
why
a
lot
of
the
kids
are
turning
to
something
else.
They
don't
have
anything
to
do
and
stay
involved
with
the
ymca
see
what
you
can
do
for
albany.
N
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
agree
with
you.
It's
it's
a
shame
those
ymcas
had
to
close,
but
for
the
long
term,
yeah
long-term
survival
of
the
regional
ymca
not
going
to
get
into
the
the
inner
workings
of
that,
but
me
being
on
the
inside
a
lot
of
those
things
it
just.
N
F
F
N
Absolutely
so,
and
I'd
love
to
I'd
love,
to
see
something
like
that
be
resurrected
in
the
city,
whether
it's
a
building.
If
it's
a
it's
a
place
where
people
can
all
get
together,
that's
fine!
N
But
it's
it's
not
it's
the
people
that
run
it
and
their
commitment
to
the
people
that
come
in
and
the
people
that
are
surrounding
it.
That
is
the
most
important
thing,
because
there
are
community
centers
in
albany
there
there
are
places
that
people
can
go
and
I'm
not
saying,
though,
the
folks
that
run
those
things
aren't
doing
a
good
job.
But
I'm
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
they're
there
and
we
still
have
the
problems
that
we're
having.
I
And
I
want
to
publicly
thank
you
for
your
military
service
and
you
know,
and
all
that
you've
done
for
for
our
city.
Those
who
may
not
know
over
was
my
former
boss
when
I
worked
at
the
ymca,
so
I
appreciate
all
all
the
mentorship
and
and
all
the
support
that
you
you
gave
me
in
my
younger
days.
I
But
I
appreciate
the
kind
words
the
question
of
matching.
All
candidates
is
the
same:
we're
looking
to
build
a
group
of
diverse
individuals,
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
experiences,
different
occupations.
I
I
So
my
question
is
a
simple
one:
how
good
are
you
to
work
with
individuals
who
you
don't
normally
interact
with,
wouldn't
agree
with
and
may
not
even
like
to
some
extent,
but
you
have
to
come
together
on
a
common
goal
to
try
to
get
things
to
be
in
a
better
place.
N
Well,
you
you
sound
like
you're
you're,
describing
the
common
council
man,
but
I'll
tell
you
what
again
that's
life,
that's
everyday
life.
N
Some
of
us
choose
to
surround
ourselves
with
people
who
are
completely
like
us
and
we
never
get
a
different
opinion.
We
never
get
a
different
viewpoint.
We
get
no
resistance
and
that's
fine.
That's
that's
a
choice,
but
I
have
have
had
no
problems
coming
to
consensus
with
people
who,
if
we're,
if
we
have
a
common
goal,
we
may
want
to
get
to
it
in
different
ways.
N
So
there's
always
a
way
that
I
found
to
be
able
to
work
with
people
like
that.
Now,
if,
as
you're
putting
this
group
or
any
group
together,
what
I
would
say
is
you
know
the
people
who
are
on
the
group
got
have
to
be
able
to
say
at
the
end
of
the
day.
This
is
what
we
want.
This
is
we
want
to
see
either
a
reduction
in
violence.
We
want
to
see
more
community
programs,
etcetera,
etcetera.
N
N
Whether
I
was
leading
or
whether
I
was
just
a
soldier
in
the
effort
didn't
always
agree
with
everything
everybody
said:
I'm
not
type
of
person,
that's
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
side
or
the
meeting
after
the
meeting
talking
about
what
we
should
have
done.
You
know
my
military
background
has
taught
me
that
it's
once
once
the
orders
go
out
and
your
squad
gets
gets
their
assignment.
N
That's
it
there's!
No!
Turning
back,
you
just
go
with
it.
There's
no
dissent!
Now
people
have
to
make
sense
too,
and
that's
another
thing.
It's
like.
If
you,
you
can't
argue
with
certain
people
who
just
have
a
belief
in
their
head
and
they
just
can't
get
off
of
that.
N
That's
a
problem
that
is
a
problem
and
we're
seeing
that
in
sort
of
the
political
world
in
a
greater
sense,
there
are
some
people
that
are
just
they're,
just
not
willing
to
believe
anything
else,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
get
to
those
people
I'll
admit
that.
M
N
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
let's
all
admit
that
2020
is
a
unusual
year
in
terms
of
how
all
city
operations
have
been
conducted,
so
yeah
the
trash
is
picked
up
and
the
bills
still
go
out
for
taxes
and
things
like
that.
Everything
else
is
basically
changed.
N
I've
heard-
and
this
is
a
sort
of
a
backdrop
to
my
my
answer-
I've
heard
that
even
routine
things
like
meeting
with
your
probation
officer,
all
those
things
have
been
shelved
or
or
decreased.
N
So
there
are
people
that
used
to
have
regular
visits
with
their
their
criminal
justice
folks
to
help
guide
them
through
post-release
or
on
some
sort
of
program
that
they're
on
to
avoid
incarceration
and
those
because
of
code.
Many
of
those
things
have
been
cut
back.
So
what
I
would
say
councilwoman
is
that
try
we
need
to
try
and
put
in
as
much
supports
as
we
can
and
much
of
re
as
much
consistent
and
regular
programming.
If
you
call
it
for
young
people.
Councilman
igo
mentioned
this.
N
It
was
a
there's,
a
place
where
people
get
together
and
have
a
regular
routine
of
of
recreation
even,
but
it
was
more
than
that.
It's
a
social
place,
it
was
a.
It
was
community
gathering
spot
those
places
exist
in
the
city,
but
you
have
to
have
the
good
actors
in
them
that
are
there
for
the
right
reasons.
N
I
would
like
to
look
at
what's
the
current
status
of
of
those
items
now
and
how
can
we
put
more
of
those,
in
effect
on
a
consistent
basis
to
have
regular
contact,
regular
dialogue,
regular
activity
on
a
consistent
basis
so
that,
even
if
it's
just
and
again
covet
recreation
has
sort
of
been
taken
away
from
us,
so
basketball
teams
aren't
meeting
anymore.
Those
coaches
are
integral
to
keeping
order,
keeping
dialogue
open,
keeping
routines
on
track.
All
of
that
has
been
derailed.
N
N
Maybe
there's
more
street
outreach
going
on,
but
it
has
to
be
consistent
and
it
has
to
have
the
right
actors
in
there,
people
that
are
willing
to
make
that
sacrifice
they're,
sacrificing
their
time,
they're,
sacrificing
time
with
their
families
and
they're
out
there
trying
to
have
a
presence
in
these
communities.
N
I
think
faith
communities
too
are
struggling
struggling
all
of
that's
been
disrupted,
and
I
know
there
are
some
faith
leaders
out
there
that
are
trying
to
do
more
community
work
and,
if
you're
talking
about
the
black
community,
the
community,
the
faith
leaders
are,
are
key.
I
would
love
to
to
be
able
to
get
them
on
a
consistent
basis
going
out
and
doing
outreach,
whether
it's
through
virtual
services
or
whether
it's
street
outreach
or
whether
it's
just
through
their
congregations,
some
form
of
constant,
consistent
contact
with
folks
in
the
community
and
build
that
base.
C
You
so
I
I
don't.
I've
been
asking
questions
of
of
applicants
about
community
engagement.
I
mean
you're,
like
the
community
engagement
guy
orville,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
in
joining.
Thank
you
for
continually
giving
back.
I
mean
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
you
through
the
years
and
and
we've
worked
on
some
stuff
and
I've.
You
know
I've
seen
how
you
move.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
always
showing
up.
N
Well,
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity.
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
it.
Like
I
said
this,
the
city
is
is
dear
to
me.
The
people
of
the
city
are
dear
to
me
and
especially
the
young
people.
I
was
one
of
those
kids
on
on
pearl
street.
I
could
have
took
a
left
turn
at
some
point,
but
I
I
looked
back
and
I
knew
I
had
people
who
were
mentors
people
who
I
used
to
go
to
boys
and
girls
club.
That
was
a
that
was
a
safe
haven.
N
C
Okay,
so
so
thank
you,
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
C
Yes,
obviously,
our
most
immediate
goal
is
impacting
the
violence.
And
again
that's
that's
not.
C
I
mean
it's
easier
said
than
done
and
there's
more
one
more
than
one
way
to
achieve
that,
so
is
that
through
programming
is
that
through
getting
adding
jobs,
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
multitude
of
ways
to
get
to
what
we
what
we
want,
but
we
really
want
to
impact
and
make
our
streets
safe
again
and
and
again
and
again,
I
personally
would
like
to
get
back
to
the
days
of
the
boys
club
and
it
was
a
different
time.
We
were
closer.
We
could
and
donald
trump
aside.
C
We
we
couldn't
be
further
apart
as
a
as
a
country
as
a
community
as
a
as
humans
than
we
are
right
now
we
really
need
to
start
looking
out
for
each
other
and
taking
care
of
each
other
again,
and
I
think
we've
lost
our
way
along
the
way
and
and
and
that's
going
to
be
the
key
to
getting
back
to
where
we
need
to
be.
I
I
I'd
like
to
move
the
scale
bit.
I
mean,
I
know
we're,
not
it's
not
going
to
go
away
overnight.
I
know
it's
going
to
be
a
process,
but
I'm
hoping
that
this
group
of
individuals
will
be
able
to
give
us
their
insight.
You
know
tell
us
what's
working,
what's
not
what
needs
more
support,
tell
us
what
maybe
it
is
failing
and
we
need
to
use
change
our
direction.
I
But
really
you
know
I
I
the
goal
for
me
is
you
know,
move
the
needle
and
if
we
can
keep
moving
the
needle
in
the
right
direction,
then
then
that's
then
that's
success.
For
me.
M
I
think
I
think
so
I
think
for
me
in
in
the
group.
We
really
want
to
bring
together
a
large
group
or
depending
on
what
size
we
do.
M
We
agree
on
with
diverse
backgrounds,
because
you
know
we
are
all
here
as
council
members
and
we
might
come
at
it
and
think
about
a
certain
approach
that
is
just
our
own
viewpoints
or
the
council's
viewpoints
or
the
the
constituents
that
we
talk
to,
but
bringing
together
diverse
backgrounds
like
I'm,
against
I'm
very
impressed
with
the
various
occupations
that
have
applied
to
this
role
or
the
backgrounds
that
have
come
out.
Getting
that
perspective
and
coming
up
with
creative
solutions
that
maybe
we
would
have
had
our
blinders
on
for
is
the
ultimate.
E
We
have
quite
a
few
applicants
that
come
from
education
that
we
need
to
educate
our
youth,
and
I
read
in
today's
paper:
the
school
district
is
short
1700,
chromebooks
kids
can't
go,
1700,
kids
can't
learn
right
now
in
orbit,
and
I
mean
that's
to
me
is
disgraceful,
so
you
know
us
getting
on
the
soapbox
saying:
oh,
we
need
this,
and
that
is
one
thing,
but
I
think
having
the
community
come
together.
As
a
unified
group
saying
this
is
what
we
need
to
do.
H
E
There's
a
lot
of
unknown
and
you
know
we're
really
going
to
depend
on
the
the
committee
to
work
and
it'll
be
exciting
to
see
what
happens.
Yeah.
N
So
so
I'd
also
like
to
ask
if
I
may-
and
I
know
you've
guys
had
a
long
day-
councilman
huey,
you
said
the
ticks
go
down
and
that's
important
is
how
are
you
gonna
know
when
you've
succeeded?
What
what
are
the
benchmarks,
you're
gonna
use
to
say
we're
succeeding
or
we're
not?
Is
it
less
murders?
Is
it
less
assaults
less
calls
from
police,
less
complaints
from
neighbors
something,
or
is
the
committee
going
to
come
up
with
those
metrics.
E
My
own
feeling
is:
the
committee
will
most
likely
come
up
with
those
those
metrics
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
ward
by
ward,
where
the
crime
is
and
where
the
violence
is.
How
do
we
we
take
care
of
it?
You
know
we
all
get
texts
now,
whenever
there's
a
shooting
and
my
phone
goes
off
quite
a
lot.
You
know
these
last
few
months.
E
You
know
with
texts
that
you
know
a
shooting
has
occurred,
so
I
mean
you
hate
to
see
young
people
shooting
each
other
and
it's
it's
almost
like
a
video
game,
but
you
know
video
game,
you
can
restart,
but
a
human
life.
Once
it's
gone,
it's
it's
gone
and
you
know
to
me
that
personally
I
would
like
to
see
the
the
debts
and
the
shootings
go
down,
but
we
have
an
economic
problem
and
that's
what
I'm
bringing
up
about
education
that
you
know
we
need
to
have.
E
You
know,
finish
school,
finish,
high
school
and
then
move
on
to
college,
whether
it's
a
two-year
or
four-year
college.
You
know
my
parents
were
immigrants
and
every
it
was
they
had
four
children.
We
all
got
out
of
greece.
My
brother
got
his
phd.
They
always
stressed
the
only
way
you
can
move
up
is
through
education,
so.
C
Background
I
come
from,
and
so
I
and
I
I
would
just
add
that
this
this
whole
effort
this
this.
This
task
force
has
grown
out
of,
or
was
birthed
through
our
equity
agenda,
and
I'm
excited
about
this
one,
because
all
the
folks
that
we
have
that
are
that
put
in
for
this,
but
also
looking
at
the
language
in
in
our
legislation.
C
It
calls
for
programming
a
budget
line
all
of
that
stuff.
The
group
is
going
to
be
deciding
on
how
to
build
that
they're,
going
to
decide
what
it's
going
to
be,
where
the
issues
are,
how
they
want
to
tackle
it,
and
then
the
city
is
charged
through
this
legislation
with
and
we've
got
a
commitment
from
the
mayor's
office.
There's
no
budget
line
there
right
now,
but
we
don't
know
how
much
we're
going
to
need.
C
I
I
think,
like
a
million
dollars,
but
that
that's
not
happening
but
but
but
certainly
through
your
conversations
or
through
the
group's
conversations
and
discussions
you'll
decide
how
you
want
to
tackle
it,
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
then
we
can
build
budgets
based
off
of
off
of
that.
So
it's
it's!
It's
I
mean
they're
going
to
be
council
members
that
are
going
to
from
this
committee.
That'll
be
part
of
that
committee,
but
we
want
to
be
in
the
minority.
We're
not.
We
don't
want
to
be
controlling
things.
C
We
want
to
be
a
certainly
participate,
but
turn
it
over
to
to
you
folks
and
and
and
participate
where
we
can
and
and
watch
and
help
it
happen.
So
that's
that's
the
goal.
N
N
Well,
if,
if
I'm
lucky
enough
to
get
on
the
task
force,
I'll
certainly
give
it
my
all.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
interest
happy
holidays.
Thank
you
for
sticking
it
out
with
us.
This
was
this
was
a
long
process
and
it's
we
appreciate
you
for
that.
So
thank.
F
E
I
move
that
we
go
into
executive
session,
so
we
can
discuss
the
applicants
for
the
for
the
task
force
they
go
year.
The
second.
D
C
Right:
hey
welcome
back
we're
out
of
our
executive
session,
making
our
selection
for
our
violence
prevention
task
force.
C
F
There
you
go
got
it,
you
got
it!
No
I'd
like
to
yeah.
Thank
you
ron,
mutant
to
mute
I'd
like
to
those
that
weren't
picked.
Let
them
know
you
know
if
they
have
interest
in
the
future.
We
contact
them
for
other
boards,
because
a
lot
of
times
we
don't
get
any
applicants,
so
that
was
all
thank
them
for
applying
or
whatever
you
usually
do
that
michelle
and
some
of
the
things
right.
C
Right
both
the
successful
applicants
and
the
other
folks
will
be
notified
of
your
selection
or
non
non-selection,
but
this
I
mean
we
had.
We
had
a
good
group,
very
diverse,
very
excited.
I
wish
we
could
just
dump
everyone
into
into
the
task
force,
but
we
want
to
be
effective
and
get
stuff
done,
and
so
we
had
to
you
know,
trim
it
down
so.
F
Kelly,
just
the
logistics:
where
will
this
task
force
be
meaning
city
hall,
virtual
right
now.
C
Virtual
at
at
this
point,
but
I'd
imagine
one
once
we
it's
safe,
we're
going
to
progress
to
to
in-person
meetings,
which
would
probably
be
at
at
city
hall.
Logically
speaking,
but
again,
the
idea
was
to
set
this
up
and
turn
it
over
to
the
to
the
group
to
the
task
force.
So
maybe
they
wouldn't.
C
Maybe
I
want
to
meet
out
in
the
community
so
again
that
that's
those
are
questions
that
remain,
but
but
the
initial
meeting
will
will
definitely
be
some
they'll
start
virtual
and
maybe
start
at
city
hall,
and
I
believe
one
of
the
applicants
yesterday
actually
mentioned
or
asked
the
question
that
whether
or
not
we
try
to
get
out
to
the
different
areas
of
the
city
to
have
these
discussions,
which
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
try
to
actually
do
that
to
get
more
input
from
from
the
community
that
way
so,
but
if
I
think
we're
all
we're
all
set
here
thanks.
C
Thank
you
everyone.
This
was
a
long
process,
a
lot
of
hard
work,
a
lot
of
discussion.
Thank
you.
If
no
one
else
has
anything
motion
to
adjourn
yeah.
Yes,
yes,
it's
been
long
so.