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From YouTube: March 24, 2021 Public Safety Committe
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The committee discussed
Local Law E of 2021 & Local Law C of 2021
A
B
A
This
is
a
technical
difficulty
day
for
me,
so
hey
welcome
public
safety
meeting
march
24th.
I
had
all
my
stuff
up
here,
shut
up
just
for
the
record
committee.
Members
here
are
joe
igo,
alfredo
balor
and
sonia
frederick
myself,
the
only
missing
mr
hoey
okay,
along
with
mr
holy,
so
we're
all
here
from
the
committee
along
with
council
members,
doshay
doshet,
fahey,
khante,.
A
A
D
A
And
so
what
I'm
I'm
gonna
we're
gonna
do.
Is
we're
gonna
start
with
you,
mr
o'shea,
but
I
wanted
I
kind
of
I
wanted
the
aapd
folks
to
be
in
the
room,
because
the
idea
is
gonna
be
for
you
to
speak
than
them.
I
think
they
have
a
powerpoint
presentation
or
something
they.
You
know
they
want
to
display
to
us
and
then
we'll
after
they
speak,
we'll
have
a
discussion.
A
G
F
A
H
A
H
H
D
H
I
G
J
Yeah-
and
I
guess
so
for
my
part-
if
I
may-
I
do
remember
you
bringing
up
something
about
dragon
without
insurance.
Council
number-
oh
yeah,
I
just
did
a
quick
search
and
I
don't
see
an
email
to
that
effect,
but
I
know
you
have
brought
that
up
at
some
point.
In
any
event,
I
mean
nothing
in
this
law
would
change
the
standard
requirements
under
the
vehicle
and
traffic
law
that
people
have
to
have
insurance
when
they're
operating
a
motor
vehicle.
Okay,
well.
G
G
G
Sure
it
is
vtl
401,
section
1a
and
in
dmv
regs
you
can't
operate
an
atv
on
public
highways,
so
there
is
laws
out
there
according
to
the
state
you're
not
allowed
on
the
public
highway
with
it.
I
also
sent
an
atv
from
new
york,
gov
and
I'll
send
this
out
again.
It's
in
my
chat
because
I
was
talking
to
a
friend
of
mine
works
for
for
a
transportation
committee
in
the
legislature.
G
Then
there's
vtl2403
penalties
in
addition
to
above
started
250
and
approximately
200
dollars
in
surcharges,
and
it
goes
up
to
how
many
violations
the
person's
had
in
the
past
18
months
and
there's
jail
time
for,
in
addition
to
the
uninsured
jail
time
from
15
to
45
days,
and
then
vtl
2288
applies.
If
somebody
is
a
miner,
so
there
is
regulations
out
there
and
again
I'll
I'm
supporting
this,
but
I
want
to
know
where
we're
at
with
enforcing
the
state
law.
G
K
Yes,
mr
hoy
you're
correct
on
all
of
that,
there's
actually
a
world
of
vnt
penal
law.
You
know
even
other
city
code
violations
that
would
apply
in
some
of
these
situations,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
for
the
most
part
that
that
they're
going
to
affect
this
legislation
as
it
stands
now
that
that's
a
matter
that
that's
an
internal
issue
for
us,
and
I
mentioned
that
in
our
last
meeting
it
comes
down
to
education
in
training
and
we've
got
to
put
something
out.
G
So
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that
sergeant
and
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is:
there's
laws
out
there
that
we're
not
enforcing,
and
my
question
is:
why
aren't
we
enforcing
them?
You
know
richard
brought
up
about
the
atv
hitting
the
school
bus.
What,
if
that
atv
hit
a
kid
that
was
getting
off
the
school
bus
and
the
atv
driver
doesn't
have
insurance
the
parents,
how
they're
gonna
get
you
know
the
kid
breaks
his
leg
or
or
you
know
worse,
injuries
may
be
paralyzed
for
life
and
the
person
doesn't
have
insurance
to
me.
G
That's
a
very
important
law
to
enforce
that.
You
cannot
be
operating
a
motor
vehicle
on
our
highways.
Uninsured,
I
mean
it's,
you
know
and
again
I'm
for
this
legislation.
I
think
the
extra
you
know
penalties.
There
will
be
helpful,
but
why
aren't
my
question?
Is
I'm
a
member
of
this
public
safety
committee?
Why
aren't
we
enforcing
this
law
to
the
fullest
extent.
K
You
know
again,
I
think
part
of
it
is
a
lack
of
training
number
one.
The
part
of
it
is.
Is
you
know
you?
You
learn
through
your
experience
right,
so
not
just
through
your
training,
but
through
your
experience,
so
the
more
you
do
something
the
the
more
knowledgeable
and
proficient
you
become
at
it.
So
it's
hard
to
stop
these
vehicles,
and
that
just
is
what
it
is
and-
and
you
know
we
are
strategically
planning
to
to
make
some
stops
and
do
some
enforcement,
but
we're
not
chasing
them
through
the
city.
K
So
I
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
the
officers
here
have
experience
in
this.
The
these
vehicles
were
dealing
with
it.
You
know
before
there
was
atvs
motorcycles
and
vehicles,
there's
a
a
world
of
just
new
vehicles
that
are
on
the
road
today
that
people,
including
police
officers,
just
aren't
familiar
familiar
enough
with
what
the
restrictions
are.
What
the
the
regulations
are,
you
know
necessary
equipment.
K
So
it
it's
a
matter
of
us
enforcing
them,
and-
and
I
literally
just
had
this
conversation
after
our
first
detail
two
weeks
ago,
was
being
able
to
you-
know,
write
more
tickets.
That
apply,
I
mean,
there's
a
world
of
equipment
violations
that
these
vehicles
just
don't
have
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
they're
not
legal
to
be
on
the
road
they're,
not
safe.
So
it
it's
a
training
thing.
G
Now
sergeant
my
question
and
again,
I'm
harping
on
this,
and
maybe
we
got
to
bring
the
chief
in,
but
we
can
put
somebody
in
jail
for
driving
an
uninsured
vehicle
on
the
road.
Do
you
think
there'll
be
any
effort
to
do
something?
We
were
looking
for
deterrence
and
you
know,
or
is
that
too
extreme
of
a
deterrent?
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
my
feeling:
is
you
throw
a
few
people
in
jail
for
for
a
week
because
they
were
driving
uninsured,
that
the
word
would
get
out
and
that's
what
we
were
hoping
for?
G
L
Yeah
yeah
thank
you
and
yeah
councilman
ahoy
just
to
follow
with
with
sergeant
hanson
is
saying
from
my
perspective.
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
enforcement
piece
in
terms
of
the
writing
of
the
tickets.
That's
our
issue
right
now.
Our
issue
is
actually
catching
these
young
men
and
women
who
are
on
these
vehicles.
M
L
So
I
don't
know
if
sergeant
hanson
alluded
to
this,
but
we've
dedicated
some
officers
to
be
on
these
details
with
these
atvs
and
these
illegal
road
bikes
that
are
out
there
they'll
be
out
there
two
or
three
days
a
week
and
they
they're
going
to
get
this
information
that
sergeant
hanson
is
talking
about.
So
when
we
do
catch
them,
you
know
we
can
apply
the
appropriate
sanctions
and
tickets
or
whatever
it
may
be,
but
we've
got
to
safely
catch
them,
and
so
it's
two
prong
number
one
we've
got.
L
It's
got
to
be
an
education
and
awareness
campaign,
so
we
can
let
our
community
know
that
these
are
unacceptable.
It's
making
our
streets
dangerous
if
they
know
who
these
people
are,
who
are
bringing
this
into
the
community?
Let
us
know
they
know
where
they're
storing
them.
Let
us
know
so
we're
gonna
need
that
piece,
let
if
they
know
people
who
are
driving
these
these
atvs
on
our
streets.
L
You
know
let
them
know
what
the
dangers
are
not
just
to
other
people
but
to
themselves.
So
we
need
that
education,
piece
and
awareness
piece,
but
we're
going
to
be
very,
very
strong
with
the
enforcement
piece
as
we
move
forward
also,
but,
as
sergeant
hanson
said
very,
very
challenging
issue
for
us
to
safely
address.
At
this
point.
D
N
L
L
In
most
cases,
they're
stopped
in
some
place
a
lot
of
times
they're
stopping
at
gas
stations.
They
may
stop
at
a
friend's
house
or
they
or
wherever
it
may
be.
Then
we
can
safely
approach
and
intervene
once
they
get
to
a
place
where
they're
not
in
danger
to
people
on
in
the
in
the
community.
So
a
couple
of.
L
Ways
I've
seen
it
I've
seen
it
go
both
ways.
We've
been
very
successful
once
we
get
information
where
these
bikes
are
being
stored,
so
you
know
I
know
this
is
a
public
meeting
and
if
somebody's
watching
this
or
if
the
council
people
here
I'll,
get
the
word
out.
If
anybody
in
the
community
knows
where
these
bikes
are
being
stored,
let
us
know
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
safely.
Get
those
vehicles
off
the
roadway.
B
J
My
point
was
going
back
to
councilman
hoey's
question.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
as
well
that
while
the
police
are
certainly
the
first
line
of
defense
and
enforcing
these
laws
and
keeping
the
dirt
bikes
and
atvs
off
the
streets
when
they're
used
illegally,
that's
not
the
end
of
the
story,
because
then,
after
the
police
catch
them
and
write
tickets
or
charge
them
with
criminal
offenses,
then
they
have
to
be
prosecuted
and
they
have
to
be
put
before
a
judge
as
well.
J
So
when
it
comes
to
simple
vehicle
and
traffic
infractions,
my
office
prosecutes
those
within
the
city.
So
you
know,
I
suppose
there
is
some
education.
We
could
do
within
my
office
to
keep
an
eye
out,
and
maybe
the
type
of
vehicle
that's
written
up
on
the
ticket,
to
make
sure
that
we're
treating
these
particular
offenses
related
to
these
particular
vehicles.
J
With
the
seriousness
seriousness
that
they
need
to
be
treated
if
they're,
more
serious
offenses
and
then
the
da's
office
handle
which
handles
those
and
then
the
final
component
is
the
judges
you
know,
even
if
we
decided
that
we
wanted
to
put
these
people
away
in
jail.
That's
ultimately
not
our
decision.
We
can
make
our
recommendation
as
the
prosecutors,
but
the
decision
has
to
imprisonment
or
a
fine
amount.
That's
ultimately
going
to
be
up
to
the
judge.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that.
A
O
L
O
Okay,
so
chief,
I
don't
understand
your
answer
to
ms
miss
frederick's
question.
If
they
are
on
the
street,
I
don't
part
they
had
to
get
there
a
reason.
So
why
wouldn't
we
immediately
intervene?
Cite
them
and
write
tickets,
not
follow
them
when
they
get
on
their
bike,
to
see
if
they're
doing
anything
illegal.
The
illegal
action
is
the
dirt
bike
and
atv
period.
So
I'm
I'm
just
confused
about
well
we'll
follow
them.
What
do
you
mean
if
they
do
it?
We
got.
I
thought
the
illegal
activity,
it's
writing
them
in
the
city.
L
L
O
O
Yes,
thank
you.
That's
all
I
want
to
know,
so
we
don't
want
constituents
calling
us
this
summer.
Talking
about
the
police,
we
call
the
police
they're,
not
doing
anything
they're
sitting
out
there
with
all
those
bikes
with
that
truck
out
there,
so
we
won't
have
to
worry
about
them,
camping
out
in
arbor
hill,
like
they've
done
the
last
two
summers.
Thank
you.
K
G
K
And
that's
exactly
what
was
happening
when
they
were
off
their
bikes.
We'd
send
somebody
through
and
if
we
saw
that
they
were
off
their
bikes,
then
that's
when
we
jumped
out
and
we
jumped
out
on
those
guys
we're
off
the
bikes.
But
when
you
do
that,
we
can't
there's
50
guys
over
there.
We
can't
stop
all
50
of
those
guys
once
they
see
us
and
you
know
figure
it
out
they're
hopping
on
our
bikes
and
they're
going.
K
P
K
Do
you
want
me
to
answer
that
chief
yeah?
Yes,
go
ahead,
tanya!
Okay,
when
we
take
those
bikes,
they're
told
typically
towed
to
the
lot
of
the
tow
company
and
they
are
not
able
to
retrieve
those
bikes
unless
they
can
show
they
have
to
show
proof
of
ownership
and
then
obviously
pay
the
the
towing
fees.
K
K
E
A
We
might
have
to
adjust
the
legislation
if
we
can
to
deal
with
that,
because
the
the
issue
we're
talking
about
for
for
the
members
here
is
that
the
tow
company
stores
it
usually
they
end
up,
get
getting
control
of
the
of
the
vehicle
through
the
the
fees
that
they
assess
on
a
daily
basis
for
storage.
And
then
it
gets
to
a
point
where
the
fee
is
more
than
the
bike,
and
then
so
it
gets
left
there.
A
P
G
P
G
G
I
finished
talking:
do
you
hear
my
question?
Yeah,
you
muted
yourself.
While
you
were
talking?
Oh,
I
apologize
my
question
was
you
got
to
have
insurance
to
have
the
dirt
bike?
Well,
it's
a
motorcycle
to
have
it
on
the
road.
Can
we
prevent
them
from
picking
it
up
till
they
have
show
us
proof
of
insurance.
That
would
be
a
way
to
make.
You
know,
deter
them
from
just
going
back
out
on
the
road
again
uninsured.
J
J
As
far
as
I
know-
and
I
could
be
wrong
here-
you
don't
really
need
insurance
to
own
or
operate
an
atv
because
they're
not
supposed
to
be
ridden
on
the
roads
anyway,
so
you
wouldn't
really
be
able
to
require
insurance
to
release
somebody's
atv
back
for
them,
because
it's
not
something
that's
generally
insured.
I
don't
think-
and
I'm
happy
to
be
corrected
on
that,
but.
G
Yeah
the
dirt
bike,
though
you
could
you
know
that
that
can
be.
You
know
you
just
own
one.
I
mean
you
can
go
on
the
road
with
them.
They
have
to
have
turn
signals
and
stuff
like
that,
but
it
could
be
something
that
you
know.
If
it's
not,
it
might
be
a
way.
We
can
even
push
it
further,
so
they
don't
just
pull
this
out,
although
by
passing
this
legislation
to
be
very
expensive
for
them
to
get
it
back
so,
but
I'm
just
looking
for
more
stuff
to
make
it
more
of
a
deterrent.
P
J
J
K
K
You
know
I've
looked
at
some
other
legislation
and
other
municipalities
and
I
think,
there's
a
difference
between
you
know
some
of
these
guys
that
are
terrorizing
the
streets
on
a
nightly
basis,
and
you
know
I
I
don't
know
that
the
knucklehead
kid
who
who
just
couldn't
wait
to
get
to
wherever
it
is
his
family
goes
to
ride
and
pops
out
on
the
street
for
a
one-time
thing.
So
you
know
I
I
don't
know
I'm
in
favor.
Personally
of
of
you
know
increased
penalties
for
subsequent
violations,
but
you
know.
K
P
A
J
K
K
A
Right,
but,
but
just
my
recollection
of
that
process
is
that
by
the
time
the
storage
fees
you
know
climb
through
the
roof
it
it,
it
typically
equals
the
roughly
the
price
of
whatever
the
property
is
the
value
of
the
vehicle,
what
car
boat
or
bike,
and
so
they
have.
I
would
say
that
in
that
instance,
maybe
they
have
a
right
to
it
unless
we
intervene
and
put
something
in
there
to
to
spell
that
out.
A
M
You
know
where
they're
they're
at
and
it's
like
you
know
during
those
times
you
very
rarely
ever
see
police
presence
over
there
and
when
you
start
seeing
people
with
trailers
and-
and
that
has
the
makings
and
the
markings
of
bikes.
So
like
it's
not
like,
I,
you
know,
I
understand
we
don't
want
to
get
in
the
high
speed
chase.
M
I
understand
safety
in
that
regard,
but
I
also
understand
what
my
colleagues
are
saying,
because
now
I'm
right
when
I
drive
up
the
street,
I'm
kind
of
looking
out
and
listening
out
for
that
type
of
stuff,
because
you
just
have
to
be
proactive
with
it
because
it
could
come
out
of
anywhere.
So
I
think
that
the
juices
get
flown
when
they
can
go
to
a
certain
spot
and-
and
you
know,
conduct
themselves
in
a
manner
like
that
and
a
lot
of
times.
M
You
know
what
we
see
is
people
going
to
and
from
that
that
hot
spot.
So
I
think
that
to
say
and
and
and
maybe
that
is
manning
boulevard-
you
know
the
the
street
name
that
was
called
out.
I
just
would
like
to
see
something
done
about
that
particular
area
over
there,
because
it's
a
lot
of
kids
over
there
running
and-
and
you
know,
I
don't
think
I've
ever
heard
of
an
accident.
M
You
know
I've
heard
of
cars
getting
hit
but
never
heard
of
a
a
human
getting
hit.
So
you
know
we
have
been
fortunate
in
that
regard,
but
I
just
think
that
if
we
had
a
presence
in
those
situations,
I
think
that
it
would
filter
out
and
into
other,
because
it
would
send
a
message
clear
that
that's
not
going
to
be
tolerated
this
year.
F
Yeah
so
I
went
on
the
dmv
website,
there
was
a
question
about
insurance
and
it
says
you
needn't.
You
may
not
operate
any
atv
anywhere
in
new
york
state
except
on
your
own
property,
unless
it's
covered
by
liability
insurance
and
then
that
would
be
on
somebody
else's
property
and
then
it
sets
forth
how
much
is
required
in
terms
of
liability.
G
E
E
C
Thank
you.
I
I
do
think
we
have
to
come
up
with
an
agreement
or
or
some
type
of
understanding
of
what
happens
to
these
vehicles
once
they're
impounded
and
once
the
current
only
they
don't
want
it
anymore,
because
I
think
it's
a
legitimate
concern
that
if
they
get
you
know
resold
back
onto
the
market
for
fifteen
hundred
dollars
or
two
thousand
dollars.
C
Then
this
really
is
pointless
because
you
can
put
a
three
thousand
dollar
fine,
get
them
off
the
streets,
but
someone
can
then
buy
them
right
from
the
person
that
impounded
them
for
fifteen
hundred
or
two
thousand
dollars.
Then
you're,
really
not
addressing
the
issue
of
trying
to
get
them
off
the
streets.
C
C
A
A
We
I
mean
the
fine
is
still
going
to
be
defined,
that
that
500
or
whatever
part
of
the
fine
is
still
intact
correct
and
then
so,
but
if,
if
it
just
stops
at
that
point,
they're
still
going
to
be
on
the
hook
for
that.
But
if
they
don't
go
get
it,
then
the
amount
of
money
if
yeah,
like
mr
balor
said
is,
is
his
move,
a
moot
point
and
then
it
just
kind
of
yeah.
So
we
got
to.
H
I
prefer
to
council,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
something
that
can
be
done
in
terms
of
contracts
with
tow
companies
in
terms
of
how
how
handling
these
vehicles,
in
particular,
as
opposed
to
other
vehicles
that
are,
are
seized
and
that
the
tow
company
has,
if
there's
a
con.
If
this,
you
can
work
it
out
with
a
con
with
our
contract.
J
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
suppose
that
certainly
could
happen.
That's
obviously
a
conversation
that
we
would
have
to
have
with
the
contracted,
tow
companies
and
impound
lots,
and
I
I
am
not
the
person
in
corporation
council's
office
who
tends
to
work
with
those
contracts
or
have
those
conversations
with
people,
but
it's
certainly
something
we
could
a
conversation.
We
could
have
something
we
could
look
into.
A
A
Q
Hi
I
came
for
a
different
law,
but
I'm
sitting
here
really
shocked.
Listening
to
all
you
guys,
oh
my
name
is
lauren
manning,
I'm
here
as
the
resident
right
now
later
on
I'll,
be
here
professionally,
but
right
now,
this
is
not
professional,
because
I
live
right
there
on
manning
boulevard,
where
you
guys
are
talking
about,
and
yes
it's
a
nuisance.
Yes,
it's
even
dangerous.
There
have
been
times
where
I
said:
I'm
going
to
kill
one
of
these
kids
on
the
dirt
bikes.
Q
All
it's
going
to
take
is
one
of
them
to
fall
and
I'm
going
to
run
them
over.
You
know,
and
I
would
probably
be
traumatized
for
life.
It
is
a
problem.
They're
noisy
it
does
mess
with
my
quality
of
life,
but
the
answer
is
not
the
criminal
justice
system.
I
mean,
I
imagine
that
this
was
literally
the
conversation
when
the
laws
were
created
for
the
drug
wars.
Let's
arrest
our
way
out
of
this,
you
are
about
to
get
tens
of
millions
of
kovid
dollars.
Q
Q
Q
Who
do
you
think
the
judges
are
going
to
actually
sentence
to
due
time
after
you
arrest
them?
Not
those
rich
white
kids
coming
down
from
gloversville
and
y'all,
really
need
to
step
back
and
work
with
the
community
to
address
this
problem
and
not
try
to
arrest
and
find
and
take
it
your
way
out
of
it.
Q
A
O
A
Q
O
B
Q
Are
the
people
shooting
each
other?
I
live
here
cory.
I
see
them
every
day.
Some
of
them
are
young.
None
of
them
are
my
age
or
your
age,
they're
all
younger
than
most
of
us.
On
this
call,
I
literally
see
them
every
day
and
I
get
it
a
lot
of
them.
Don't
even
look
like
they're
from
albany,
but
why
can't
y'all
take
some
of
that
cold
bid
money
and
find
some
place
for
these
folks
to
ride,
since
this
is
clearly
a
recreational
activity
for
them?
Miss.
B
O
Like
I
said,
I'm
gonna
leave
it
here.
If
you
talk
to
the
police
department,
they
will
tell
you.
This
is
not
a
recreational
issue.
They
are
illegally
taunting,
the
police.
They
are
illegally
disturbing
the
peace
on
purpose.
This
is
not
this.
This
issue
is
bigger
than
people
wanting
to
ride
recreational.
It
is
not
like
that,
so
I,
if
you
talk
to
the
police,
they
will
give
you.
O
M
Well,
I
would
say
I
will
say
that
I
believe
that
we
do
need
to
have
a
conversation
in
regards
to
people
that
ride
for
the
sport,
because
you
know
what
we
may
not
take
a
hundred
percent
of
the
people
off.
That's
currently
riding
on
the
street,
but
you
know
we
may
take
a
significant
amount
and
that's
progress
too,
and
then
also,
as
I
said
before,
it
opens
up
the
avenue
for
the
city
and
a
part
of
the
community
that
hasn't
been
connected
to
have
that.
M
That
type
of
moment,
where
you
know
you
know,
consideration
was
shown
for
people
who
want
to
do
this
in
the
right
manner.
So
you
know
yes,
the
people
that
are
riding
down
central
ave
and
and
riding
through
streets.
That's
a
whole
different
conversation
that
you
know
and
that's
the
conversation
that
is
not
only
dangerous
for
them,
but
it's
dangerous
for
many
others.
M
So
you
know
you
can't
take
a
soft
approach
to
that,
because
the
soft
approach
that
we
have
taken
thus
far
is
that
the
problem
is
growing.
So
I
I
I
fully
heard
what
miss
manning
was
saying
because
part
of
it
is,
you
see,
we
know
people
personally,
that
always
had
dirt
bikes
and
it
was
places
for
them
to
ride
and
those
places
have
been
taken
away
from
them.
M
A
Yep.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
mr
johnson,
but
they,
I
would
say
they
yeah.
They
were
riding
in
tivoli
lake,
but
they
weren't
supposed
to
be
riding
until
the
lake
and
it
was
less
of
an
issue
because
it
was
off
the
beaten
path.
Not
okay,
but
running
in
the
street
and
riding
in
tivoli
is
two
different
things
and
they
were
not
supposed
to
be
riding.
They
weren't
writing
there
legally.
So
that's
that,
but
also
what
I
I'd
like
is
we're
talking
we're
having
a
partial
conversation
about
providing
the
space
for
writers.
A
I
you
know
what
I'd
like
I'd
like
for
when
we
have
one
of
these
meetings
for
one
of
those
writers
to
actually
send
comment
in
or
maybe
jump
in
the
meeting
and
express
their
desire
to
have
a
space
created
for
them
to
to
do
that.
I
mean
it
would
take
a
lot
to
do
that,
but
I
mean
that
would
be
helpful
also
for
me,
as
as
a
member
dealing
with
this
issue,
but
that's
just
my
thought
on
that
chief
or
or
chief
first
sergeant,
alex
hanson.
L
I
said
it's
a
two-pronged
approach
for
us,
education
and
awareness
is
one
component
of
it
and
that's
the
preventative
part
of
it,
and
you
know,
miss
manning
talked
about
doing
some
things
to
help
to
prevent
or
or
avoid
having
to
have
these
confrontations
with
these
young
men
and
women
or
old
men
and
women,
whatever
it
may
be,
or
on
these
illegal
vehicles.
So
education
and
awareness
is
a
key
piece
of
the
police
department
strategy
enforcement
is
also
a
key
piece
of
it.
A
Thank
you
for
that
chief.
So
with
that
on
this,
this,
if
members
of
the
committee
want
to
speak,
I
know
some
already
did,
because
we
got
to
move
on
to
the
next
piece
of
legislation.
I
support
this
and
I
heard
a
number
of
other
members
say
they
supported
it.
Also.
I
guess
we
move
forward
and
make
we
can
move
forward
and
make
any
of
those
changes
that
need
to
be
changed
like.
B
A
C
C
So
I
I'm
hoping
this
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
deterrent
to
help
change
behavior
and
to
make
people
right
where
it's
safe
right,
where
it
doesn't
disturb
our
neighbors
and
they
have
the
means
to
do
so.
So
hopefully
they
will.
This
would
be
a
deterred
for
them
not
to
come
to
our
neighborhoods
and
and
and
create
habits
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
A
F
F
I,
like
many
other
people,
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
escalating
violence
that
I
see
against
people
of
color
communities
of
color,
and
it's
not
just
out
there.
It's
here
in
the
city
of
albany
people
talked
to
me
many
years
ago
about
their
concerns
about
the
militarization
of
the
police,
and
I
didn't
really
get
it.
I
didn't
understand
it,
but,
as
time
has
gone
on
and
I've
seen,
new
equipment
being
used
and
new
tactics
being
used
that
have
not
been
used
previously.
F
While
I
was
on
the
common
council,
I'm
taking
some
ownership
of
that
and
that's
why
I've
introduced
this
legislation,
I'm
aware
of
the
fact
that
other
communities
have
introduced
and
or
adopted,
legislation
severely,
restricting
or
banning
the
use
of
tear
gas.
There's
legislation
in
the
state
legislature
in
which
this
particular
legislation
closely
follows.
F
F
And
now
we,
as
a
city,
have
adopted
this
report,
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
people
talking
while
that
was
being
discussed,
and
we
had
some
concerns
about
it
that
we
wanted
to
honor
the
work
of
the
people
in
that
collapse.
That
worked
on,
that
a
lot
of
people
put
in
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
and
they
end
the
report
in
two
different
work.
Groups
talked
both
about
the
demilitarization
of
police
and,
in
one
case,
the
outright
banning
of
tear
gas
and
another
case
restricting
it
from
being
used
in
a
residential
area.
F
M
F
F
F
F
And
who
have
spoken
up
about
this
and
other
issues?
People
talk
about
demilitarizating
the
police.
Well,
there
can
be
no
more
concrete
example
of
what
we
can
do
to
demilitarize
the
police
than
stopping
the
use
of
tear
gas,
especially
after
we
have
examples
of
it
being
used
twice
in
communities
predominantly
occupied
by
people
of
color.
A
A
L
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
cameron,
so
well,
I
have
members
of
my
staff
here
with
me,
and
I
have
in
particular
detective
commissa
we'll
go
over
some
some
information
to
put
some
context
to
this
discussion
and
just
to
go
to
the
end
of
what
the
final
recommendation
and
position
of
the
police
department
will
be
on
this.
It's
that
that
a
ban
of
tear
gas
in
this
in
this
case
will
make
this
community
less
safe.
L
L
Let's
call
it
what
they
were
riots
massive
incidents
where
people
are
trying
and
in
many
cases
succeeding
and
causing
major
damage
and
hurting
other
people.
This
is
a
tool
and,
as
detective
commissa
will
talk
about,
this
is
a
tool
that
is,
if
taken
away,
it
severely
limits
what
the
police
department
can
do
in
a
situation
where
mobs
of
people
are
determined
to
destroy
property
and
hurt
other
people,
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
detective
commissa
in
his
presentation.
R
I
just
want
to
introduce
myself
we're
going
to
actually
share
the
powerpoint
presentation.
We're
going
to
screen
share
it
with
you,
so
you
can
follow
along
here.
So
let
me
know
if
you
guys
can
see
that
in
a
moment
here.
Just
let
me
know,
while
we're
working
on
that,
I
just
want
to
introduce
myself
detective
michael
comissa,
with
the
albany
police
department.
I've
been
a
member
of
the
albany
police
department
for
approximately
14
years
13
of
those
14
years.
R
So
today
I
want
to
go
over
the
the
use
of
chemical
munitions
and
riot
mitigation
and
de-escalation,
and
I
hope
this
powerpoint
can
clear
some
uncertainties
up
and
clear
any
questions
that
you
have
oh
and
if,
at
the
end,
I
would
you
know
open
this
up
for
questions.
I'd
be
happy
to
hear
from
you
guys
so
our
goals
for
today
can
everybody
see
that
the
presentation?
Yes.
R
We're
going
to
go
over
the
effects
of
the
chemical
agents
in
the
less
lethal
rounds.
We're
going
to
talk
about
physical
effects
versus
psychological
effects,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
training
that
we
undergo
as
the
emergency
services
team
in
albany
police
department
undergo
through
to
complete
training
and
be
proficient
at
chemical
agents.
We're
gonna
talk
about
our
deployment
success
on
previous
deployments
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
decontamination
of
chemical
asians.
R
R
So
we're
going
to
jump
right
into
it.
Now,
I'm
not
a
scientist.
So
forgive
me
if
I
can't
pronounce
these
scientific
names
here,
but
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
make
it
easy
for
everybody.
We're
gonna
go
down
to
the
type
of
chemical
agents
based
on
their
their
acronyms,
so
the
first
one
is
cn.
It
is
classified
as
an
irritant
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
all
these,
specifically
in
a
little
more
in
depth.
R
So
I
just
want
to
touch
base
on
the
cn
portion
of
that.
We
don't
utilize
cn
within
the
auburn
police
department
and
I'll
go
in
depth
of
why
we
don't
use
it.
But
first
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
cs
chemical
agent,
so
cs
was
developed
in
1928
by
british
scientist
carson
in
stratton,
and
that's
why
it's
named
cs
it's
named
after
their
initials.
R
It
was
it's
classified
as
an
irritant
and
that's
what
it's
designed
to
do
to
cause
irritation,
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
law
enforcement
adopted
cs
in
1965.,
but
the
albany
police
department
didn't
adopt
it
until
1988
and
that's
when
we
were
trained
in
cs
and
we
are
trained
in
we're
training
in
a
chemical
environment.
So
the
training
consists
of
a
powerpoint
presentation,
classroom,
portions
of
it
and
then
practical
application
during
those
practical
applications,
we
are
subjected
to
exposure
of
the
chemical
agent.
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R
So
we
have
first-hand
knowledge
on
its
effects.
We
have
confidence
in
its
effects.
We
have
confidence
that
is
not
lethal
and,
after
a
short
period
of
time
of
decontamination,
which
we're
going
to
go
over
those
effects
subsided
so
nationally
with
the
use
of
cs
nationally.
There
are
no
known
deaths
associated
with
the
proper
use
of
cs
with
the
albany
police
department.
We
have
over
150
interior
deployments
of
cs
now
again
we're
going
to
go
over
the
difference
between
interior
deployment
of
cs
and
exterior
and
the
differences
okay.
R
So
in
32
years
we
had
our
first
two
operations
were
riots,
and
that's
where,
first
time
we
used
open-air
chemical
munitions,
less
lethal
weapons
are
arranged
from
police
batons
which
are
are
deployed
by
all
police
officers.
These
are
could
be
like
your
coca-bola
wooden
batons
or
your
expandable
batons.
R
We
deploy
those
on
all
est
operations
and
again
these
these
tools
are
used
in
a
manner
to
de-escalate
a
situation,
because
we
want
everybody
to
be
as
safe
as
possible.
Okay,
other
less
lethal
impact
munitions
are
our
first
impact.
Munitions
would
be
like
a
a
sponge
round
or
a
bean
bag
round,
which
is
launched
from
a
40
millimeter
launcher
which
we're
gonna
go
in
depth
later
on,
and
our
first
utilization
of
these
sponge
rounds
were
the
knight
of
the
riots.
R
R
All
right
so
we're
just
going
to
talk
about
you,
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
bore
you
to
death
here
with
the
chemical
stuff
here,
but
cs
again.
It
was
discovered
in
1928
by
the
british
chemist
adopted
by
law
enforcement,
65
1965.,
so
they're
they're
classified
in
three
different
topics:
odor
color
and
chemical
classification.
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R
R
These
rounds
are
a
barricading,
penetrating
projectile,
which
are
launched
from
a
platform
specifically
for
these
types
of
munitions,
and
these
rounds
are
typically
used
for
indoor
operations.
Now
you
might
ask
what
operations
would
you
use
them
inside?
Well,
we
have
what
we
call
a
barricaded
gunman.
A
barricaded
government
is
when
we
get
a
call
for
service.
Let's
use
an
example
for
shots
fired
in
the
in
an
area
in
the
city
of
albany,
and
we
have
several
witnesses
stating
to
us.
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R
If
there
was
enough
cause,
an
emergency
services
team
was
deemed
necessary.
We
would
remember
services.
Team
would
respond
to
that
location
and,
after
a
period
of
calling
out
using
our
crisis
negotiators
to
try
to
reach
out
to
that
person
and
de-escalate
the
situation
prior
to
using
any
type
of
chemical
munition
with
with
all
those
avenues
exhausted.
R
At
that
point,
we
would
get
approval
to
use
chemical
cs,
and
we
introduced
that
using
this
fair
around
and
they
are
they're
used
to
be
launched
through
the
window,
breaking
the
window
and
dispersing
a
quantity
of
liquid
cs
throughout
that
home.
Okay,
the
flameless
tri
chamber
in
the
middle
is
specifically
for
interior
use,
and
this
is
designed
as
a
as
it
says
on
the
on
the
canister
flameless.
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R
Now,
on
the
on
the
right
hand,
side
you'll,
see
something
that
says
instantaneous
blast
and
those
are
used
for
exterior
use.
Only,
and
these
are
both
both
the
canisters
on
in
the
middle
and
the
left
or
the
right
excuse
me
are
used
by
hand
deploying
meaning
that
they're
tossed
either
under
hand
or
overhand,
depending
on
the
situation.
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R
R
And
it
has
a
doesn't,
have
an
odor
except
for
the
the
propellant.
So
different
manufacturers
might
have
a
different
order,
but
they
all
have
the
same
color
code
of
orange
again
for
easy
classification
and
identification
for
the
officers
and
it's
classified
as
inflammatory,
which
would
be
different
from
the
cs,
which
is
irritant.
R
And
also
oc
is
also
considered
pepper
spray
as
another
term
which
all
officers
carry
in
a
liquid
form.
The
forms
that
you
could
you
saw
on
the
previous
slide
either
can
come
in
in
a
liquid
form.
In
this
slide,
they
come
in
a
liquid
form
for
a
fair
around
penetrating
ground,
or
they
would
come
in
a
powdered
micro,
probabilized
powder
form
which
would
be
utilized
for
the
hand,
deployment.
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R
Okay,
so
that
that
helped
us
use
less
chemical
agent
than
it
was
than
we
we
had
to
when
smoke
is
deployed
with
a
combination
of
the
chemical
agent,
the
chemical
agent,
which
is
the
the
powder,
is
actually
lighter
than
the
smoke.
So
what
happens?
Is
it
attaches
itself
to
the
smoke
and
the
smoke
carries
the
propellant
or
propels
the
chemical
agent
towards
the
targeted
location?
R
Also
smoke
is
utilized
to
obscure
all
sorts
of
movements,
specifically
on
when
we
had
the
second
night
of
the
riots
here
in
henry
johnson
boulevard.
Two
of
our
officers
got
surrounded
on
first
street
and
henry
johnson
boulevard.
Specifically
a
group
of
individuals
attempted
to
light
a
mattress
on
fire
and
place
it
underneath
their
patrol
vehicle,
and
this
was
all
on
video,
I'm
sure
some
of
them
hear
some
seem
some
head
shaking.
I'm
sure
some
of
you
observe
this
and
they're
actually
smashing
out
the
patrol
vehicle
windows
and
surrounding
those
officers.
R
So
the
crowd
didn't
turn
on
us
and
was
able
to
see
us
and
turn
on
us
and
start
throwing
rocks
and
stuff
at
us
all
right.
So
the
types
of
deployment
platforms,
so
you
guys
heard
me
say
about
the
ferret
rounds
and
being
launched
through
a
40,
millimeter
or
37
millimeter
launcher
now.
The
picture
on
the
on
the
right
is
the
it's
a
black
launcher.
It
is
a
break
action.
R
It
comes
in
either
a
37
millimeter
or
40
millimeter
platform,
and
it
is
designed
to
have
one
single
use
and
then
the
officer
would
have
to
reload
that
with
another
munition,
so
that
is
one
method
of
deployment
and
that
type
of
deployment
is
beneficial
to
the
officer
and
and
subjects
for
de-escalation,
because
we
are
allowed
to
create
distance.
So
we
have
distance
versus
time.
R
So
we
don't
want
to
be
so
far
away
where,
if
we
utilize
this
this
platform
to
use
an
impact
munition
on
somebody,
we
don't
want
to
be
too
far
away
where
they
have
time
to
recover.
But
we
don't
want
to
be
too
close
to
cause
any
any
injury
and
second
on
the
right
of
the
you
can
see
a
pair
of
gloves
and
hands
and
inside
that
his
whole.
That
per
that
gentleman
is
holding
a
a
hand,
canister
so
hand
canister.
R
R
This
is
when
you're
feeling
the
the
most
of
the
the
tip
of
the
the
irritant
so
you're
going
to
experience
a
pricking
peppery
burning
sensation
to
the
skin,
especially
in
the
the
mouth,
the
nasal
airways
and
the
eyes.
If
the
individual
that
is
exposed
was
sweating.
I
know
during
training
if
we
were
sweating
on
the
back
of
the
neck,
any
moist
areas
it
attaches
itself
to
that,
and
that's
where
you
feel
most
of
the
burning
sensation.
R
You
also
would
feel
lacrimation.
Lacrimation
is
the
tearing
of
the
eyes.
So
this
is
where
it
gets
its
name.
Tear
gas
on
rhinorrhea,
which
is
the
uncontrollable
dripping
of
the
nose
mucus,
dripping
from
the
nose
viral
spasm,
which
is
the
uncontrollable
blinking
of
the
eyes.
So
this
is
why,
when
people
are
exposed
to
this,
they
would
feel
the
temporary
effect
of
not
feeling
like
they
they
can't
see
or
they
can't
breathe.
R
Tightness
of
the
chest
is
also
a
part
of
it
feeling
of
suffocation.
Shortness
of
breath,
coughing
sneezing,
so
extreme
exposures
with
this
can
cause
result
in
vomiting,
nausea
or
vesiculation.
Now
vesiculation
is
the
blistering
in
the
skin.
Now
these
studies
that
have
been
conducted
by
the
military
and
and
manufacturers
of
the
chemical
agents
were
conducted
in
a
a
completely
sealed
container.
R
The
person
is
starting
to
feel
back
to
normal
the
psychological
effects
the
person
is
going
to
be
feel
disoriented,
confused
and
anxiety,
fear
and
panic.
Now
these
these
types
of
of
psycho
psychological
effects
are
some
of
the
desired
results
and
I'm
gonna
go
into
and
then
talk
about
this
in
the
next
slide.
Right.
R
So
I'll
talk
about
our
interior
desired
effects
for
deploying
chemical
munitions.
First,
all
right,
we
have
the
5d
principle,
so
we
would
utilize
this
again.
Like
the
example
I
gave
before
for
a
barricaded
government,
someone
who
was
shooting
outside
ran
into
a
house,
and
now
the
house
is
surrounded
and
the
emergency
services
team.
Is
there?
Okay,
we
exhausted
all
efforts,
so
we
decide
and
the
command
is
given
to
utilize
a
chemical
agent.
So
we
use
the
5d
principle
of
why
we
want
to
use
it.
Okay,
we
are.
We
want
to
either
distract
that
person.
R
We
want
to
disperse
that
person
from
a
particular
either
a
particular
room,
a
particular
area
of
that
house,
and
ultimately
we
want
to
dislodge
this
person
and
that's
our
ultimate
goal
to
dislodge
this
person
out,
and
so
we
can
take
him
to
custody
safely
and
we
can
continue
on
with
our
mission,
so
in
a
similar
fashion,
with
our
desired
outcomes,
for
our
deploying
agent
for
outdoor
is
number
one
to
de-escalate
right.
We
want
it
to
dirt.
We
want
to
deter
people
from
continuing
tumultuous
and
violent
behavior.
R
R
We
also
want
to
distract
that
person
and
disperse
them
into
a
disperse
them
that
from
that
area.
Now,
with
that
being
said,
dispersing
we
have
tactical
plans
when
utilizing
cs
in
an
outdoor
environment.
We
want
to
give
that
group
a
means
of
egress.
We
don't
trap
them
in
by
like
deploying
chemical
munitions
or
cs
on
all
sides.
We
want
them
that
that
is
our
ultimate
goal
to
disperse,
so
we
utilize
it
in
a
fashion
to
give
them
a
means
of
egress,
maybe
two
means
of
egress.
R
R
R
Okay,
any
and
any
food,
or
anything
that
was
left
out
should
be,
should
be
thrown
away
discarded.
So
for
personal
decontamination.
We
we
instruct
to
first
remove
that
person
from
the
chemical
environment
into
fresh
air.
Do
not
use
water
at
this
time
to
wash
off
the
agent
from
the
skin.
As
this
will
react.
It
reactivates
the
agent
okay
again,
like
I
said
before
it
attracted
to
moisture,
so
this
can
reactivate
the
agent.
R
So
what
we
recommend
is
to
remain
a
fresh
arrow
for
a
period
of
the
time
until
the
agent
you
feel
the
sensation
or
the
burning
sensation
or
any
other
of
the
effects
desired
effects
to
dissipate
after
this
is
complete.
A
person
may
shower
now
for
clothing.
We
recommend
that
the
person,
if
applicable,
remove
the
clothing
and
place
that
that
exposed
clothing
outside
in
the
sun,
with
where
it
can
see
the
sun
and
get
ventilation.
After
that
ventilation
period.
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R
They
are
intended
not
to
cause
sears
penetrating
injury
or
death,
but
to
influence
the
behavior
of
a
subject
or
subjects,
I'm
sorry
suspect
or
subjects
by
means
of
compliance
by
introducing
physical
discomfort
or
pain
generally
yeah.
This
was
generally
used
by
law
enforcement
officers
needing
to
quickly
gain
control
of
crowds
or
individuals
in
situations
of
unrest
and
aggressiveness,
which
we
all
personally
experi
experienced
on
may
30th
to
june.
R
R
R
Placed
at
a
intended
target,
so
less
lethal
weapons
are
primarily
designated
to
temporarily
disable
or
stop
non-compliant
persons
without
killing,
thereby
provide
law
enforcement
enforcement
personnel
with
an
alternative
lead
to
lethal
force.
So
with
that
being
said,
without
these
types
of
of
munitions,
without
cs,
without
these
types
of
sponge
rounds,
officers
that
were
subjected
to
getting
rocks
thrown
at
them,
subjected
to
fireworks
and
improvised
explosives,
molotov
cocktails
being
thrown
at
us.
R
R
Of
where
the
intended
target
areas
are
for
these
sponge
rounds
and
or
bean
bag
rounds,
so
you'll
see
different
shading,
I
hope
the
shading.
You
can
see
it
clearly
on
your
end,
but
on
my
end,
I'm
looking
at
the
head
and
chest
area
to
be
black
arms
and
belly
pelvis
to
be
a
whitish
gray,
color,
the
private
area
to
be
black
and
the
legs
and
shins
to
be
a
darker
gray.
R
The
dark,
shade
areas,
the
black
areas
are,
are
the
last
resort,
and
this
again
this
can
only
applies
if
the
article
35
of
the
criminal
procedure
law
applies.
So
if,
if
if
there
is
no
other
resort,
let's
again,
there's
a
last
resort,
there's
no
other
option
and
that
officer
that
has
a
less
lethal
munition
deems
that
that
article
35
applies.
He
may
he
or
she
may
utilize
that
in
those
attended
areas
in
those
darker
areas.
R
R
Now
to
me,
I
didn't
know
what
chemical
weapons
was,
so
I
went
to
the
united
nations
website
and
and
researched
what
it
was,
and
such
weapons
basically
consisted
of
well-known
commercial
chemicals
put
into
standard
munitions.
We
can
talk
about
this
mustard
gas,
some
sort
of
munition
that
is
designed
to
attack
somebody's
central
nervous
system.
R
Okay,
there's
been
nearly
a
hundred
thousand
deaths
resulted
with
chemical
weapons
since
world
war,
one
chemical
weapons
have
caused
more
than
one
million
casualties
globally.
So
with
that
being
said,
the
albany
police
force
does
not
use
chemical
weapons
as
they
are
defined
by
the
united
nations.
We
utilize
chemical
agents,
or
also
known
by
the
cac
as
riot
control
agents.
Okay
for
our
police
to
have
legitimacy
in
our
community.
R
So
we
use
the
word
de-escalation
a
lot
through
this
presentation
and
again
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
What
it
is
we
want
to
de-escalate
tense
situations
where
processed
protests
devolve
into
civil
unrest,
violent
riots,
your
police
deployed
a
public
address,
stating
cease
and
desist
the
unlawful
behavior
or
you
may
be
subject
to
arrest.
R
R
Those
who
remained
did
so
on
their
own
volition,
de-escalating
cs
and
less
lethal
munitions
were
deployed
at
that
time.
In
concert
to
stop
violence
against
members
of
the
public
and
officers.
The
lawful
order,
given
the
unlawful.
This
is
an
unlawful
assembly,
should
have
been
enough
for
the
reasonable
person
to
comply
and
leave
that
area.
R
R
R
It
provided
our
police
force
with
a
multiplier,
as
the
number
of
personnel
necessary
to
require
the
areas
of
arch
street
pearl
street
madison
avenue
washington
avenue
central
avenue
that
which
outpace
the
numbers
of
available
personnel
even
with
additional
additional
mutual
aid.
So
what
that
means
is
that
we
utilize
this
this
the
smoke
in
the
cs
to
assist
us,
because
we
are
outnumbered
and
even
with
mutual
aid,
even
with
mutual
aid,
we
are
still
outnumbered
and
this
cs
acted
as
a
force
multiplier
and
we
got
the
desired
result.
R
So
so
there
has
been
thousands
of
protests
from
19
in
albany
from
1960
to
2021
we've.
All
again.
We've
only
had
two
open
air
deployments
that
we
utilize
cs
and
less
lethal
munitions,
and
this
is
over
the
course
of
32
years
of
the
emergency
services
team
being
trained
on
cs
and
less
lethal
munitions.
R
R
The
intended
intent
of
the
rioters
appeared
to
to
storm
the
south
station,
which
we
have
seen
across
the
country,
and
we
had
a
due
diligence
to
protect
that
station
and
protect
the
citizens
of
albany
from
any
further
violence
that
night,
approximately
200
people
prior
to
emergency
services
team
arriving
to
south
station.
Approximately
200
people
were
in
front
of
the
south
station
which
later
involved
into
molotov
cocktails
being
thrown
at
the
officers
police
officers.
R
R
R
So,
throughout
the
night
the
riots
evolved-
and
I
recall
the
night
when
or
the
time
when
there
was
a
car
accident.
I
believe
in
the
area
of
green
street
in
indongan,
and
there
was
a
pregnant
female
that
was
involved
in
a
car
accident,
personal
injury,
auto
accident.
The
fire
department
could
not
get
to
them
the
south,
lateral
one
could
not
get
to
them
because
of
the
violent
protest.
R
We
utilized
our
emergency
service
services
team
rescue
vehicle
to
escort
the
fire
department
to
this
pregnant
female
who
was
just
injured
in
a
in
a
a
car
accident,
escorted
her
escorted
them
to
the
to
assist
her.
At
that
time
we
had
to
leave
officers
on
south
pearl
street
again
just
with
right
gear,
right,
helmet
and
a
plastic
shield
and
a
baton
no
cs,
and
they
were
at
that
time
that
we
were
gone.
R
They
were
forced
to
retreat
during
that
retreat
because
they
had
no
other
choice
and
they
weren't
going
to
use
any
other
force
that
that
time
they
had
a
retreat.
The
crowd
gained
control
of
a
tractor
trailer,
and
I
was
stuck
in
traffic
because
they
were
impeding
vehicular
traffic.
Tracker
trailer
had
no
place
to
go
that
time.
R
For
the
arbor
hill,
the
headquarters
again
a
day
of
peaceful
protest
evolved
into
a
night
of
a
ride.
Chief
hawkins
was
with
the
with
the
crowd,
trying
to
de-escalate
the
crowd
and
talk
to
them
and
reason
with
them.
The
protest
evolved
into
the
evening
hours
at
which
time
point
it
came
violent
specifically.
I
remember
that
night
that
we
all
had
improvised
explosives
set
off
in
our
area
in
our
in
towards
our
direction.
R
I
mean
we
recall
fireworks
going
off
next
to
my
head,
which
prompted
us
to
utilize
chemical
agents
to
de-escalate
that
situation
and
to
disperse
that
crowd,
and
it
worked.
It
worked
effectively
all
right.
So
in
conclusion,
the
future
deployments
consideration.
So
after
every
after
every
operation,
we
have
a
debrief
okay,
and
we
concluded
through
that
debrief
that
we
learned
some
things
after
every
operation.
R
A
portable
pa
system
with
a
higher
volume
capability,
higher
volume
capabilities,
has
been
purchased
and
we're
waiting
in
the
arrival.
Also
we
take
away
from
this
is
in
the
future.
The
albany
police
department,
public
information
officer,
is
going
to
be
releasing
decontamination
instructions,
as
I
previously
talked
about
to
the
public
for
any
person
that
was
exposed
and
that's
going
to
be
released
on
social
media.
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
your
time.
I
hope
this
cleared
up
any
questions
that
you
guys
had.
Thank
you.
A
G
Q
Hi,
this,
though,
is
actually
from
this
is
work.
This
is
from
the
executive
director
of
the
center
for
law
and
justice.
Dr
alice
greene
and
her
comments
are
my
first
two-hand
experiences
of
being
tear
gas
during
a
peaceful
protest
have
contributed
to
my
current
thoughts
and
concerns
about
police
use
of
tear
gas
and
other
chemical
agents
against
community
people.
One
of
my
experiences
took
place
right
here
in
albany
in
the
late
spring
of
2020,
but
both
incidents
revealed
how
the
use
of
such
heavily
militarized
tactics
can
be
harmful
and
dangerous
to
people's
health.
Q
It
is
documented
that
both
tear
gas
and
pepper
spray
can
pose
serious
threats
to
those
with
with
the
series
of
underlying
heart
or
lung
conditions,
particularly
asthma.
Tear
gas
can
also
irritate
the
lining
of
the
lungs.
This
means
that
the
use
of
these
chemicals
is
especially
dangerous
to
african
americans
who
disproportionately
suffer
from
such
illnesses,
especially
asthma,
in
both
children
and
adults.
It
is
important
to
note
that
police
officers
unleashed
tear
gas
this
past
spring
in
the
south
end
of
albany,
which
is
heavily
populated
by
african
americans
and
other
people
of
color.
Q
Recent
reports
that
examined
the
use
of
military
tactics
used
in
the
nine
major
cities
during
protests
over
the
police,
killing
of
george
floyd
bear
out
these
concerns
about
the
use
of
such
chemicals
as
well.
Two
of
the
albany
collaborative
working
groups
recommended
that
in
reimagining
public
safety,
the
albany
police
department
should
abandon
warrior-like
police
tactics
that
include
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
other
chemical
weapons
against
community
residents.
They
urge
discarding
such
militaristic
approaches
and
instead
adopt
a
guardian
mindset
to
address
crowd
control
problems.
Q
The
center
for
law
and
justice
has
already
expressed
support
for
the
recommendation
before
the
common
council
and
now
strongly
urge
passage
of
local
law,
cf
2021,
introduced
by
common
council
member
judy
dochet.
The
ordinance
refers
to
the
use
of
chemical
weapons
and
kinetic
energy
munitions
on
civilian
populations,
alice
greene,
executive
director
kelly
after
other
people.
Talk,
though,
I
would
like
to
give
comment
as
a
resume.
S
Hi,
thank
you,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
giving
me
the
chance
to
submit
my
comment
and
also
thank
you
all
for
your
presentations
and
everything
leading
up
to
this.
But
I
just
wanted
to
submit
a
comment
on
behalf
of
myself
and
my
family
were
albany
residents,
and
I
just
like
to
express
my
full
support
for
judy
de
shapes
proposed
local
law
of
2021
that
bans
the
use
of
chemical
weapons
and
agents,
as
well
as
the
kinetic
the
use
of
kinetic
energy
munitions
just
as
a
resident.
S
We
know
that
there
can
be
extremely
negative
impacts
to
the
health,
safety
and
well-being
of
our
community
members,
especially
those
that
are
marginalized,
already
have
other
health
issues
and,
as
noted,
there's
really
no
information
or
studies
on
the
effects
of
chemical
agents
used
in
open
air
settings
and,
I
think
also
the
use
of
those
chemical
weapons
and
agents
and
open.
Our
settings
are
indiscriminate
by
nature
and
really
again,
I
see
no
place
for
those
in
our
community
and
myself
and
our
family
really
just
urged
the
common
council
to
consider
and
pass
this
legislation.
T
I'm
still
here,
I'm
very
patient
good
evening,
folks
good
to
see
everybody.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm
speaking
tonight
in
support
of
local
lawsey.
I
asset
this
committee
vote
the
proposed
local
law
out
of
committee
and
send
it
to
the
full
council
with
a
recommendation
of
support
and
without
modification.
T
Voting
for
this
ban
will
restore
our
well-established
policy
that
the
apd
must
be
respectful
of
the
right
of
our
residents
residents
to
see,
speak
out,
protests
and
express
anger.
We
saw
a
breakdown
of
that
respect
from
the
apd
on
the
evenings
of
may
30th
and
june
1st
of
last
year.
The
posture
of
the
apd
on
those
days
was
not
that
of
a
community
policing
agency,
but
of
an
occupying
army
using
military
tanks
on
our
street
wearing
military
gear
and
standing
outside
the
morton
avenue
police
station
in
the
middle
of
the
south.
T
T
What
has
followed
in
my
lifetime
has
been
years
of
protest,
but
I
don't
recall
a
single
use
of
tear
gas
until
last
year
and
in
my
written
statement
I
expand
on
the
history
of
protests
that
I've
observed.
I
just
want
to
say
that
it
is
not
an
accurate
history
to
portray
all
these
protests
as
picture
perfect
protests.
T
These
were
many
of
these
protests
were
challenging.
There
were,
they
were
many
aspects
of
them
were
volatile.
There
were
frequently
people,
one
or
two
or
a
small
group
that
tried
to
escalate
beyond
what
the
main
organizers
had
had
anticipated,
and
there
were
agent
pro
provocateurs
that
tried
to
shed
bad
light
on
the
protests.
T
So
I
ask
that
the
council
vote
to
ban
tear
gas
and
rubber
bullets
the
police
department
haven't
need,
have
it
hasn't
needed
it
for
50
years
they
can
figure
out
how
to
handle
the
protests
that
this
city
is
going
to
face
in
the
future
without
this
weapon
for
the
future.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
want
to
thank
all
the
council
members
who
support
this
law
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
this
before
the
full
council
as
soon
as
possible.
Thank
you.
I
B
U
U
You
would
just
not
see
that
happen,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it's
really
insulting
for
them
to
turn
this
into
a
presentation
and
use
science
and
try
to
try
to
try
to
reduce
this
to
simply
a
conversation
around
the
terminologies
and
the
definitions.
I
was
there
the
night
of
of
of
south
end
and
yes,
there
was
definitely
like
a
lot
of
of
property
being
damaged
and
and
things
that
were
happening
that
were
illegal.
U
There's
no
doubt
about
that,
but
I
want
to
also
point
out
the
fact
that
literally
after
the
street
was
cleared
because
I
live
in
the
neighborhood,
I
stayed
behind.
I
made
sure
people
were
safe
and
I
witnessed
myself
and
I
filed
the
police
complaint
with
the
police
review
board
on
this,
and
I
thankfully
just
finally
got
a
letter,
thankfully,
because
the
cprb
is
finally
going
to
have
some
teeth
and
be
able
to
deal
with
the
police
department
and
their
actions.
But
I
want
to
be
clear.
U
I
witnessed
myself
with
my
own
two
eyes
multiple
times
a
police
department
firing
tear
gas
canisters
into
empty
streets,
open
windows
in
a
hot
summer,
day
empty
streets.
Why?
Because
they
did
not
care
about
that
community.
I
watched
them.
I
witnessed
with
my
own
eyes,
then
fire
tear
gas
in
arbor
hill
on
the
monday
evening,
where
the
protest
moved
to
arbor
hill.
When
there
was
no
announcement
given
on
a
pa.
None.
There
was
no
announcements,
there
was
no
emts
present.
U
Both
are
illegal
uses
of
your
own
protocols
that
you
have,
and
the
mayor
herself
and
the
chief
who,
I
believe
is
still
on
this
call
and
the
chief
you
both
admitted
on
a
community
call
that
a
block
at
a
time
had
you
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
recording
weeks
after
that
that
you
made
mistakes
that
you
deployed,
tear
gas
illegally,
that
you
shouldn't
have
done
it.
You
regret
it
yet
to
this
day,
maybe
I'm
mistaken,
but
you
know
it's
been
a
pandemic,
so
I
haven't
been
on
vacation
or
gone
anywhere.
U
There's
not
been
a
public
conversation
about
this.
There's
not
been
a
public
reckoning
about
this.
There
has
not
been
a
public
apology
for
this
from
the
mayor
or
the
chief
of
police.
I
support
this
bill
100
as
a
community
member.
I
also
speak
on
behalf
of
the
executive
director
of
youth
fx,
an
organization
that
had
many
young
people
who
came
out
in
protest
and
several
young
people
who
were
shot
in
the
back
with
rubber
bullets
on
that
saturday
night
and
were
gassed
by
the
police
department.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
U
I
think,
to
turn
this
into
a
debate
about
whether
or
not
the
chemical
turn
in
a
particular
thing
that
you
use
is
safe
or
not.
Safe
is
ridiculous.
What
we
are
talking
about
is
the
fact
that
the
albany
police
department
was
not
trained
and
still
remains,
untrained
in
the
in
the
usage
of
these
types
of
weapons
and
like
other
cities
across
the
country,
they
have
been
used
and
deployed
illegally,
and
it
needs
to
stop.
We
need
to
have
a
ban.
U
This
is
a
banned
weapon
that
has
been
has
been
banned
from
the
use
in
the
military
and
in
the
case
of
war,
and
it
needs
to
be
banned
on
the
streets
of
our
communities
when
we
have
vulnerable
populations,
young
people,
children
and
elderly
folks
who
are
affected,
and
there
has
been
no
care.
There
has
been
no
apology
made
about
what
happened
on
those
evenings,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
U
Just
a
week
ago,
reports
were
released
and
are
starting
to
come
out
from
cities
across
the
country
that
the
police
departments
in
multiple
cities
across
the
country
deployed
tear
gas
illegally,
beat
protesters.
Put
people
in
the
hospital
blinded
eight
people
across
the
country
from
tear
gas
canisters
and
from
rubber
bullets.
These
weapons
do
not
have
any
place
in
any
civilian
usage,
and
you
know
this.
U
I
support
this
bill
and
I
hope
that
when
this
goes
to
the
council
that
we
get
to
see
where
our
council
members
stand
on
this
and
whether
or
not
the
council
members
support
their
police
departments
being
able
to
poison
and
gas
their
own
communities-
and
I
say
you
say
these
excuses
about
well,
there
might
be
a
riot
this
and
that
you
need
to
learn
alternate
techniques.
That
is
your
job.
You
are
supposed
to
be
about
public
safety,
not
militaristically,
attacking
your
own
communities.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Q
They
were
training
and
they
threw
tear
gas
into
a
vacant
apartment
40
feet
from
my
home
with
the
windows
open.
It
was
a
nice
march
hot
day
and
my
me
and
my
daughter
woke
up
coughing
sneezing
wheezing.
It
was
very
painful,
but
the
fact
is,
I
came
to
the
common
council,
then
many
of
you
were
not
members
eight
years
ago
and
discussed
this
exact
thing.
Q
You
know
this
training
this
militarization,
this
lack
of
concern
for
the
community
and
the
other
conversation
is.
This
is
to
even
answer
bob.
When
the
reckoning
is
this.
This
ban-
and
I
support
it
because
we're
not
here
because
of
what
is
in
the
chemical
agent,
we're
here,
because
we
can't
trust
you
to
use
it
properly
and
to
value
black
and
brown
lives
when
you
use
it.
Q
I
said
eight
years
ago,
this
type
of
stuff
would
not
have
happened
in
pine
hills
to
the
common
council
and
we're
still
here,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
introduction
of
this
bill.
I
really
appreciate
you
know
all
of
the
new
blood
on
this
council
and
to
be
clear.
This
is
the
reckoning.
This
is
part
of
that
reckoning.
This
bill
it
needs
to
be
banned.
Q
We
cannot
trust
our
own
police
force
to
use
it
responsibly
and
it
has
to
go.
It
is
dangerous,
it
is
painful.
You
do
feel
like
you're
suffocating,
and
I
also
agree
with
bob
when
my
brother
was
on
bradford
street.
On
the
night
of
the
henry
johnson
protest.
There
were
a
couple
three
or
four
guys
that
broke
off
and
they
tear
gas.
This
whole
block.
He
had
his
windows
open
three
children
in
the
house.
He
couldn't
go
outside
to
get
fresh
air.
The
whole
block
was
tear
gas.
Q
A
C
So
I've
got
to
say
I'm
a
little
disappointed
with
the
presentation,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
apt
is
a
were,
but
four
of
the
five
members
of
this
committee
didn't
need
a
lesson
of
the
side
effects,
the
psychological
effects,
the
burning
of
your
skin
and
eyes,
or
the
burning.
When
you
shower,
I,
I
kind
of
wish
they
would
have
told
us
that
before
we
got
hit
with
it
half
of
more
than
half
of
the
council
tasted
that
burning
and
they
felt
it.
C
C
C
C
You
know
that
monday
that
that
group
was
a
much
better
group
of
individuals.
It
was.
It
was
different.
It
was
a
different
group.
It
was
a
different
crowd,
but
they
got
hit
even
just
as
hard
and
the
individual
that,
through
the
fireworks
they
got
on
their
dirt
bike
through
the
fireworks
and
went
up
the
street.
C
They
didn't
feel
it
they
didn't
get
hit.
But
if
apt
had
someone
on
the
ground,
they
could
have
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
They
could
have
said
hold
off
put
the
smoke,
don't
don't
put
the
don't
put
the
gas,
so
I
was
hoping
to
hear
what
apd
has
learned
and
what
apd
is
going
to
have
to
prevent
these
because
we're
the
capital
and
we're
going
to
have
more
difficult
days
ahead
of
us
and
we've
seen
we've
seen
in
our
own
now
in
our
country's
capital.
C
What
happens
when
we're
not
ready,
so
I'm
hoping
for
I'm
hoping
for
a
better
answer
than
what
I've
got
so
far,
because,
right
now
I
can
tell
you
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
really
satisfied
with
the
presentation
and
I
was
really
hoping
that
I
was
going
to
get
some
information
about
what
apd
had
learned,
what
they
were
going
to
do
in
the
future
and
how
this
would
be
something
that
wouldn't
happen
in
our
city
again,
because.
C
C
F
A
Just
real
quick
pause
judy
that
would
be
on
me.
I
found
out
about
it
yesterday,
which
was
after
you
know
time
where
we
we
could
have
gotten
a
copy.
It
was
kind
of
kind
of
late
and
we
should
have,
but
I
didn't
mention
that
to
the
chief
in
my
conversation
with
him.
So
so
it's
my
fault,
but
we
should
have
had
it.
F
I
have
heard
people
talk
about.
This
wouldn't
happen
in
their
neighborhood
and
I
don't
think
it
would
happen
in
my
neighborhood,
but
I
will
say
it
would
be
unacceptable
if
it
happened
in
my
neighborhood,
and
my
policy
is
if
the
schools
in
the
city
of
albany
are
not
good
enough
for
my
kids,
then
I'm
in
there
fighting
to
make
them
good
enough
for
my
kids,
because
then
they're
not
good
enough
for
anybody's
kids.
F
F
I'm
upset
because
I
have
heard
what
some
people
have
heard
that
the
police
department
has
said
procedures
were
not
followed
that
night.
This
is
the
first
time
I
got
a
complete
justification
from
the
police
department
for
what
happened
on
that
night.
I'm
upset
because
people
like
to
use
the
terminology
riots,
because
that
gives
them
cover.
F
F
Man,
I
certainly
thought,
as
I
was
growing
up,
and
people
were
talking
about
race,
that
we
would
be
in
a
lot
better
place
than
we
are
now,
but
this
was
justified.
Oh
it's
the
first
time
in
32
years.
That
has
happened.
Oh
and
it
just
happens
to
be
in
a
neighborhood
where
it's
predominantly
people
of
color.
B
F
F
I
understand
that
some
police
officers
felt
threatened
that
night.
We
can
also
go
into
the
details
and
maybe
we
ought
to
have
a
complete
investigation
of
what
happened
that
night,
because
my
understanding
is
that
the
police
officers
were
mostly
inside
the
building
and
and
then
came
out
in
right
gear
to
address
the
protesters.
F
F
F
That
we've
been
talking
about
de-escalation-
and
I
have
seen
de-escalation
going
on
in
this
city
a
lot
and
I've
been
very
pleased
with
how
the
leadership,
sometimes
of
the
police
department
has
de-escalated
very
tense
situations
without
using
tear
gas.
The
idea
that
somebody
would
present
the
common
council
with
something
and
say,
tear
gas
is
a
de-escalation
technique,
blows
my
mind,
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
were
put
up
on
that
slide
that
I
don't
have.
F
F
F
But
here's
here's
what
I
want
to
know
from
the
police
chief
two
questions
I
have
for
the
police
chief
did
the
mayor
know
that
you
were
doing
this
presentation
opposing
opposing
this
legislation
and
which
would
tell
me
that
the
mayor
really
doesn't
adopt
the
plan
that
the
collaborative
has
no
intention
of
implementing
the
collaborative.
Basically,
the
chief
gets
to
pick
and
choose
what
in
that
report.
F
L
F
G
G
I'm
a
city,
council,
city,
common
council
member,
I
believe
in
our
police,
and
I
would
do
anything
I
could
to
support
my
police
within
reason
and
I've
been
bringing
up.
I've
been
on
this
council
going
on
four
years
soon:
three
and
a
half
whatever,
and
I
brought
up
that
we
have
a
serious
shortage
of
police
in
the
city
and
it
keeps
getting
worse
and
worse
and
more
people
leaving.
G
I
talked
to
the
mayor
and
I
said
can't
we
just
give
like
a
across-the-board
increase
to
help
the
officers,
because
they
don't
have
a
union
right
now
or
there's
a
kind
of
union
problems,
and
I
am
a
union
officer-
and
I
know
you
can
do
that.
An
employer
can
give
a
raise
right
across
the
board
to
everybody
to
help
them
survive.
G
G
I
traveled
down
from
uptown
the
you
know
that
people
make
comments
about,
but
you
know
we
have
our
troubles
and
struggles
here.
I
went
down
on
a
monday
night
left
my
family
to
see
what
I
could
do.
I
got
down
there,
there
was
barricades,
put
up
around
the
police
headquarters
and
there's
about
two
or
three
hundred
people.
Knowing
about
complaining
people
see
me
a
white
guy
down
there
and
you
know
I
think
I
had
my
my
suit
on
my
tie
and
they
they
want
to
know
where
why
I
was
there
and
who
was.
G
G
Just
one
of
many
many
over
many
years
of
discrimination,
systematic
discrimination
going
on
one
person
asked
me
well,
if
you're
with
us
kneel
down,
I
kneeled.
I
have
no
problem
with
that,
because
I
believe
that
every
human
being
has
a
right
to
survive
and
to
exist
as
long
as
they
don't
damage
other
people
or
hurt
other
people.
Don't
you
know
if
you
hit
me
with
your
fist,
that's
one
thing
I
jumped
over.
The
the
barricade
talked
to
the
police
talked
to
the
chief.
G
While
I
was
talking
to
the
chief,
we
started
getting
hit
with
fireworks
and
the
situation
just
went
south.
It
went
south
very
fast.
All
of
a
sudden
there
was
gas
flying
and,
I'm
sorry
to
say
there
was
no
announcement
made.
I
don't
know
how
you
could
say
there
was
announcement
made
there
wasn't
an
announcement
made.
G
My
fellow
council
members,
kelly
councilmember
kimbrough
council
president
ellis,
helped
me
over
the
fence
back
out
up
the
road
in
the
middle
of
this
gas,
and
I
was
gas
bad.
I
went
down
to
the
ground,
they
dragged
me
down
to
henry
johnson
boulevard.
It
was
the
worst
experience
of
my
life
and
I'll.
Never
forget
it.
G
You
say:
there's
no
problems
with
these
chemicals.
If
you,
google,
it
google
gasto
intestinal
problems
caused
by
tear
gas.
A
few
weeks
later
I
had
a
bad
infection,
went
septic
and
I
almost
died.
I
was
in
saint
peter's
for
four
days
now,
was
it
caused
by
the
gas?
I
don't
know,
but
when
I
you,
google,
it
and
you
see
that
there's
problems
with
gastrointestinal
problems
caused
by
this.
G
Now
you
bring
up
well,
you
know
this
is
how
we
we
do
it
now
what
happened,
and
this
came
up
with
other
council
members
brought
up
100
years
ago,
we
had
a
terrible
trolley
strike
where
there
was
all
sorts
of
riots
and
and
stuff
it's
in
the
paper
times
union.
Every
day
they
go
back
100
years
I've
been
following
about
this
strike.
What
did
they
do
back?
Then?
G
G
G
Loudspeaker,
but
there
was
no
loudspeaker
there.
There
was
no
warning
so
here
I
am
on
henry
johnson
boulevard
trying
to
get
my
breath
back,
and
I
was
there
with
council
member
ballerin
standing
by
my
side
because
he
knew
I
was
in
bad
shape
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
troops
started
marching
down
the
street,
and
I
said
to
one
of
them:
I'm
on
the
common
council,
I'm
just
here,
observing
I'm
trying
to
recover.
G
G
G
G
G
Cdc-
let's
talk
about
that,
I
was
looking
at
it.
While
this
was
going
on,
cdc
recommends
once
you're
exposed,
taking
off
your
clothes
and
washing
them.
They
got
to
come
off.
I
saw
these
apartment
windows
open
right
next
to
the
the
police
headquarters,
people
are
living
there.
What
are
you
doing?
Wash
their
bedding
gonna
wash
everything
in
the
house.
G
G
You
know
in
favor
of
this.
I
think
we
need
to
do
it.
I
think
we
need
to
come
up
with
other
ways.
I
think
we
need
to
build
our
police
force.
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
social
interactions,
maybe
hired
social
workers
that
we
can
go
out,
try
to
calm
the
situation.
People
were
angry,
oh
and
I
got
one
more
thing
to
add
the
fireworks
I
witnessed
the
fireworks
being
thrown.
I
seen
them.
I
saw
that
mattress
going
underneath
the
police
car
and
they
could
have
pulled
out.
G
I
mean
that
could
have
been
prevented,
but
I'm
not
even
gonna.
Go
there,
but
people
throwing
the
fireworks
for
white,
guys
shortcut
hair
to
me.
They
look
like
neo-nazis
were
they.
I
don't
know
it's
funny,
though,
that
across
the
whole
country
and
during
this
period
of
time,
with
the
unrest
in
the
country-
and
we
see
what
what
went
on
with
the
at
the
capitol.
G
You
know
why.
Weren't
there
undercover
out
there
tracking
trying
to
find
out
who
these
people
were.
I
saw
the
neighborhood
people
talking
you're,
not
from
our
neighborhood.
What
are
you
doing
here?
I
mean
they
asked
me
what
I
was
doing.
I
explained
to
who
I
was
these
guys.
Didn't
they
just
left,
they
caused
the
problem.
They
hid
behind
a
crowd
and
threw
bombs.
G
M
M
I
go
upstairs.
I
get
dressed.
I
walk
down
the
street
when
I
get
there
it's
a
tense
moment.
I
positioned
myself
in
between
the
police
and
I
positioned
myself
in
between
the
protesters,
and
I
made
up
an
appeal
for
people
to
go
home.
I
I
I
talked
about
the
ideal
of
earlier
being
one
of
the
best
protests
I
ever
saw.
M
Something
and
so
later
on,
I
will
find
out
that
they,
the
police,
were
sparing
it
and
so
like
to
hear
that
it
was
an
announcement.
It
was
never
an
announcement
made
on
the
29th
and
you
know
on
on
the
first
I'll,
never
forget
that
day,
because
that
was
the
day
that
my
mother
passed
away
and-
and
you
know,
and
and
going
through
what
I
was
going
through.
M
I
happened
to
just
look
at
facebook
and
see
the
situation
uptown
and
I
made
a
gut
decision
just
to
go
up
there
and
I
believe
at
the
time
that
I
believe
at
the
time
I
was
standing
next
to
the
chief.
We
were
talking
when
the
fire
works
were
thrown,
so
you
know
what
people
were
out
of
control,
but
you
know
the
vision
that
I,
when
I
think
about
tear
gas.
M
M
The
first
option
you
know
like
when
I
think
about
this:
I
wish
they
would
have
tear
you
know,
pepper
spray,
dante
dante
ivey.
You
know
our
family
were
filled
differently.
You
know
in
that
regards,
but
I
think
personally
there's
no
way
that
I
that
I
could
support
pepper
spray
being
used
on
human
beings.
I
I
think
that
when
you
ask
well
what
did
they
do
different
a
hundred
years
ago,
I'll
tell
you
one
simple
answer.
M
A
hundred
years
ago,
most
of
the
apd
was
from
the
city
of
albany,
and
so
when
you
have
officers
that
come
from
the
direct
communities
they
can,
they
have
built-in
relationships
so
in
in
a
time
like
that
those
relationships
are
most
valuable
to
the
city,
to
the
to
the
police
department
and,
more
importantly,
to
the
people,
and
so
when
you
say
for
them
to
go
to
their
neighborhood.
That
happened
in
my
neighborhood
on
my
street,
and
you
know
it's
not.
M
M
So
you
know
if
we
are
going
to
move
forward
and
as
I
said
when
we
have
these
difficult
conversations,
people
have
to
understand
that
it's
it's
pain.
It's
hurt,
it's
a
lot
of
trauma
that
we
have
experienced
in
our
neighborhood
and
when
you
you
know
when
you
it
it's
coming,
it's
coming
from
the
hand
that's
supposed
to
protect.
You
that's
a
hard
pill
to
swallow,
so
I
will
not
be.
I
will
be
supporting
this
bill.
M
N
N
That
really
hurt
our
community
and
when
we
think
about
when
we
look
back
to
those
events
that
occurred
over
the
summer,
the
concept
of
people
or
the
the
comment
of
people
throwing
bricks.
If
we
look
at
the
person
that
was
arrested
for
doing
such
act,
he
was
not
from
the
community,
which
was
primarily
black
and
brown.
N
N
A
A
However,
I
was
I
was
at
both
locations
caught
off
guard
didn't
think
it
appropriate
the
use
right
now,
as
we
sit
here,
the
presentation
that
was
just
put
on
made
me
feel
pretty
much
the
same
way
most
other
folks
did
I
again
we
didn't
get
a
copy
of
it.
I
didn't
ask
for
it
so
that
that's
why
we
didn't
get
it,
but
but
I
expected
something
different
you
know
coming
into
this.
You
know
I
was
I
still
my
concern.
A
So,
coming
into
this,
my
my
support
was
for
really
restricting
or
trying
to
restrict
the
use
of
this.
You
know
to
very
very
specific
and
unique
situations,
but
I
mean
I,
this
conversation
is
bothering
me
and
as
usual
with
these
matters,
the
police
and
community,
I
mean
I'm
an
african-american
man.
I
could
tell
you
more
stories
about
being
mistreated
by
the
police
than
most
of
the
folks
that
are
activists
that
get
dealt
with
every
day.
A
You
know,
and
if
I
got
hung
up
on
that,
I
you
know
I'd
either
be
too
sad
or
too
angry
to
function
in
this
world,
because
it's
been
that
bad,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
where,
where
we
go
from
here
most
most
members
are
obviously
in
support
of
this.
I
you
know,
after
everything
that's
transpired
in
the
conversation
we've
had
I'm
not
too
sure
I'm
not
either,
but
but
again
I
not
favoring
my
friends
or
family
on
the
albany
police
department,
but
police
officers
in
general.
A
I
I
understand
the
job
and
I
I
think
it's
needed.
I
think
we
might
see
some
some
issues
down
the
line
if
it's
taken
away
and
we
don't
have
an
alternative
where,
where
do
we
end
up
in
in
these
these
situations,
where
there's
a
confrontation
between
the
community
and
and
the
police
department?
That
that's
that's
the
question
I
you
know
question
to
to
the
chief
and
the
command
staff.
Have
you
looked
around
the
country
yet
alternatives
to
I'll
get
you
in
a
minute
president?
O
A
Anyone
in
the
command
staff
carried
that
have
we
have.
We
have
we
and
actually
before
answering
that
question.
Can
someone
just
kind
of
shorten
to
the
point?
I'm
talking
to
the
command
staff
from
the
police
department
short
and
to
the
point
kind
of
give
me
the
gist
of
the
policy
for
use
of
of
tear
gas.
A
A
Okay
and
again,
my
my
thoughts
on
this
and
just
sitting
here,
listening
and
and
understanding-
and
I
you
know
I
I
there's
got
to
be
something
we
can
do-
what
happened
that
that
both
of
those
evenings-
and
I
you
know
the
one
night
down
on
pearl
street-
I
was
behind
the
housing
authority
building
and
got
clobbered.
Of
course,
I
had
the
ability
to
jump
in
my
car
and
drive
down
to
dungan
street.
E
A
E
I
think
the
deployments
were
in
line
with
policy
and
just
to
clarify
some
statements
that
were
attributed
to
me.
I
was
very
clear
early
on
that
things
could
have
been
done
differently
and
I
I
think,
with
a
if
we
had
our
after-action
reports
and
we
were
looking
at
what
happened
just
like
any
other
major
incident.
We
find
that
there
are
ways
of
doing
things
differently,
sometimes
their
ways
of
doing
things
better,
and
so
in
the
aftermath.
E
We
certainly
looked
at
this
and
determined
that
there
were
some
things
that
could
have
been
done
differently,
potentially
even
better,
but
I
never
said
that
these
were
that
anything
was
a
violation
of
policy.
Under
the
circumstances
never
did.
I
think
that
it
was
inappropriate,
and
I
think
you
know
first
of
all,
mr
kimbrough,
if
you
take
a
step
back
from
this,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand.
E
So
when
it
does,
we
have
to
ask
what
responsibility
and
expectations
will
this
community
have
for
his
police
department
in
maintaining
calm?
You
know
we
talked
about
the
attacks
on
the
police
officers,
but
this
very
well
could
have
been
an
attack
on
city
hall.
This
could
have
been
an
attack
on
our
education
buildings.
E
A
A
J
E
Any
type
of
out-of-control
mob
of
people
and
that's
look
at
what's
happening.
Let's
look
at
the
the
trends
that
we're
seeing
not
just
in
albany
but
across
the
country
we're
seeing
individuals,
just
like
mr
frederick
said,
who
are
infiltrating
peaceful
protests
and
they
are
using
that
cover
to
to
cause
this
chaos
and
the
and
again
there
are
a
couple
of
different
options.
E
E
We
can
send
officers
in
with
a
mob
of
people
who
are
involved
in
a
riot
at
city
hall
or
at
their
education
buildings
or
at
our
federal
courthouses
or
wherever
it
may
be
at
our
police
stations,
and
we
can
send
officers
in
to
to
disburse
these
people
who
are
not
listening
to
commands
to
disperse
and
to
cease
the
violent
behaviors.
We
can
send
these
officers
in
there
to
to
disperse
these
people.
E
E
Do
we
really
want
to
allow
a
situation
where,
because
we
don't
have
any
other
tools
besides
deadly
force
or
hand-to-hand,
combat
with
these
mobs
of
people
in
city
hall
or
in
our
education
buildings
or
at
our
police
department?
Do
we
really
want
to
just
say
that
well,
we'll
just
let
them
overtake
it
and
then
we'll
figure
out
it
in
the
aftermath.
E
So
my
perspective
on
this
is
yes,
there
are
things
that
could
be
done
different
the
things
that
could
have
been
done
better,
I
would
even
say,
but
from
my
perspective
my
opinion,
let's
take
a
look
at
what
we
have
and
let's
make
that
better.
Let's,
let's
take
a
look
at
this
tool
where
there
are
some
concerns-
and
I
agree-
a
hundred
percent
with
what's
been
said
to
folks
in
this
community
about
the
use
of
residential
areas.
E
Let's
look
at
that
and
let's
work
to
see
how
we
can
make
it
so
that
we
minimize
or
eliminate
the
possibility
of
that
happening
in
the
future,
but
let's
not
make
a
rash
decision
to
take
away
a
tool
when
there's
no
acceptable
alternative
right
now
and
without
that
we're
looking
at
potentially
more
chaos
at
our
city,
halls,
police
departments,
government
institutions-
we
got
to
be
careful
with
that.
In
my
opinion,.
O
Well,
yeah,
I
guess
you
know
for
people
tonight's
presentation
we
were
looking
for
those
alternatives.
Also,
we
were
looking
for
a
policy
you
asked
and
the
chief
hasn't
said
what
the
policy
is.
You
know
when
do
you
use
when
when
do
you
instruct
to
use
tear
gas?
What
is
that
scenario
not
just
they're
being
violent,
because
that
crowd
that
I
was
in
when
I
was
tear
gas?
O
You
know
it
wasn't
violent
until
the
perpetrators,
which
I
found
out
in
the
crowd
being
in
a
crowd
what
milk
was
used
for,
because
I
didn't
understand
and
then
my
cousin
pointed
out
to
me
those
two
kids
over
to
have
milk.
I
said
what
does
that
use
for
and
he
says
for
when
he
get
tear
gas.
I
said
why
would
david
tear
gas
us,
so
it
was
so
it
was
evident,
and
so,
when
people
talk
about,
how
do
you
control
a
crowd?
O
I
think
that's
what
we
want
to
hear.
How
do
you
control
a
crowd?
How
do
you
move
a
crowd
on
without
the
need
to
tear
gas?
We
haven't
heard
that
only
thing
we
hear
is,
if
they're
violent,
that
crowd
was
not
violent,
yeah
firecracker
was
thrown
when
that
firecracker
was
thrown,
that
initiated
the
tear
gas.
There
was
no
violence
before
that,
so
I
guess
for
us.
When
we
talk
about
policy,
we
want
to
know
what
is
the
policy
a
firecracker
was
thrown
that
that
means
they
can.
O
They
can
tear
gas
people,
that's
not
being
violent.
There
was
no
destruction
of
property,
so
for
I'm
pretty
sure
for
many
of
the
residents
and
mr
touche
and
everyone
else,
who've
been
asking
that
question.
We
haven't
gotten
answered,
you
just
said
you
or
we
know
you
gave
the
order
that
we
got
that.
But
what
is
the
policy?
O
Is
it?
Somebody
throws
a
firecracker,
you
tear
gas,
a
crowd,
that's
just
standing
there.
You
know.
So
that's.
I
think,
that's
what
we
really
wanted
to
hear
and
then,
when
you
say,
there's
no
other
alternative.
We
would
hope
that
in
2021
that
our
police
department
could
come
up
with
alternatives
to
tear
gas,
we
would
hope
that
leadership
in
that
department
would
figure
out.
How
do
we
control
a
crowd?
That
is
not
being
violent
right,
but
that
is
not
moving
whatever
fast
enough
or
dispersing
fast
enough.
O
Those
are
the
things
we'd
like
to
to
hear
about
so
that
way
when
it
when
a
crowd
like
that
is
not
dispersing
or
whatever
we
understand
what
what
tactics
that
the
department
will
use
to
do,
that
I'm
not
talking
about
violence,
but
talking
about
people
are
attacking
a
building
that
crowd
was
not
violent.
It
was
not
disruptive,
somebody
threw
a
firecracker
and
we
all
got
tear
gassed.
O
I
E
K
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
wait
on
the
chief.
I
got
so
much
to
say
right
now,
I'll
start
with
this.
I
certainly
understand
everybody's
feelings
and
your
frustrations,
your
concerns,
and
I'm
not
saying
they
are
not
valid,
but
I
will
tell
you
this
from
from
a
personal
standpoint.
I
grew
up.
I
did
not
like
the
police
growing
up.
K
Even
ever
so
slight
negative
interaction
me,
my
family,
my
friends
had
with
the
police
from
that
point
on,
you
know
just
further
deteriorated
or,
or
you
know,
diminish
the
the
idea
that
you
know
that
there
was
ever
going
to
be
any
type
of
positive
connection
there.
In
short,
I
went
to
college,
I
was
forced
to
volunteer
with
the
local
police
department
there
linked
up
with
two
detectives
who
did
a
lot
of
stuff
in
the
community?
K
K
K
K
We
all
left
home
and
left
our
families
and
came
back
to
work.
So
we
proceeded
down
the
south
station.
I
went
down
the
style
station
in
my
car,
my
patrol
vehicle
and
had
a
brick
thrown
through
my
window.
All
right,
you
know
you
guys
are
talking
about
gas
and
I
get
it.
I
absolutely
get
it,
but
when
I
when,
when
we
say
that
our
lives
were
in
danger,
they
truly
were,
I
could
have
been
killed.
My
wife
was
picking
glass
out
of
my
face
and
arm
the
very
next
day.
K
K
K
So
I've
been
through
those
experiences
as
a
resident
of
the
city,
and
now
I
walk
on
the
other
side.
You
know
I
talk
about
my
father's
death.
My
father's
death
has
been
a
question
mark
my
entire
life
right
and
I
have
to
accept
that.
It's
something
I'm
never
going
to
have
answers
to,
but
after
putting
on
this
uniform,
I
have
greater
understanding
of
how
some
things
may
have
occurred.
K
The
night
he
was
killed,
so
we
have
to
get
a
plate
to
a
place
of
better
understanding
like
you
can
never
understand
what
it's
like
to
put
on
this
uniform
and
go
out
and
do
this
job.
I
love
this
job.
I've
voted
it
for
20
years.
I
am
committed
to
this
job,
but
if
you've
never
walked
in
these
shoes,
you
don't
understand
what
it's
like
right.
K
You
know
in
the
same
way,
somebody
else
I
think
it
was
you
derek
said
something
about
you
know.
A
difference
was
that
the
officers
back
in
the
day
were
from
the
city
they
were
from
the
community.
There
is
a
lot
to
be
said
about
that
right.
So
now,
yes,
you
do
have
some
officers
here
who
don't
have
the
same
understanding
that
maybe
some
of
the
officers
of
old
did.
Maybe
some
of
us
who
are
from
here
do,
but
you
know
I
don't
think
taking
away.
K
I
got
20
years
here
and
I
have
seen
everything
under
the
sun
and
I
have
been
through
a
lot.
I
have
never
seen
or
been
through
anything
like
may,
30th
ever
and-
and
I
I
think
to
take
away,
you
know
chemical
agents
or
tools
that
we
use
to
protect
life
not
every
day
in
drastic
situations.
That
was
a
drastic
situation.
K
It
was
something
I
had
never
seen.
It
was
something
out
of
a
movie,
so
I
think
it's
necessary.
I
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
take
up
all
night,
because
this
this
has
been
long
and-
and
I
appreciate
you
all
and-
and
I
respect
what
you're
doing
I
respect
your
opinions,
but
please
try
to
have
some
understanding
of
where
we're
coming
from
as
well.
B
A
C
Here's
how
I
liked.
Can
you
guys
hear
me
here's
how
I'd
like
to
move
forward?
I'd
like
to
get
a
real
plan
from
apd
on
how
they're
going
to
keep
our
neighbors
our
residents
and
our
officers
safe.
Just
have
it
happens
again,
and
we
didn't
get
that
today
we
didn't
get.
We
didn't
get
that
at
all,
and
I
was
expecting
that.
C
We
need
to
correct
that,
so
I
I
would
like
first
to
move
forward
with
having
further
discussion
on
this
on
one
getting
apd
to
give
us
a
plan
of
how
they're
going
to
react
to
something
like
this
without
this
tool
and
how
they
will
be
able
to
keep
our
residents
and
their
officers
safe.
I'd
also
like
to
have
discussion
about
the
fact
that
it's
used
for
gunmen
who
barricade
themselves.
C
Luckily
he
didn't,
but
it
was
a
very
scary
couple
of
hours
for
the
neighbors.
They
were
terrified
that
there
might
be
a
shootout
between
officers
and
the
gunman.
So
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
conversation
about
that
as
well,
because
the
goal
of
this
is
to
keep
our
residents
our
offices
and
our
neighbors
safe.
C
D
G
We
see
a
law
breaker
on
a
dirt
bike
or
an
atv,
and
we
won't
chase
them
because
we're
afraid
of
causing
damage
to
innocent
bystanders.
But
yet
we
can
use
these
so-called
tools,
which
can
cause
damage
to
bystanders.
Also,
you
know
on
the
the
presentation
they
said:
they've
only
used
it
twice.
So
what
are
we
taking
away?
G
And
it
was
twice
outside,
of
course,
but
what
are
we
taking
away?
You
know
what
happened
during
the
occupy
wall
street
protest
up
right
across
the
street
from
city
hall,
where
the
protesters
were
there.
You
know,
I
don't
remember
them
using
tear
gas
there.
They
did
break
up
the
protest.
They
came
in
with
horses
and
you
know,
tore
down
the
tents
and
stuff,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people.
There
there's
a
lot
of
angry
people
there
and
you
know
it
turned
out
the
district
attorney
wouldn't
even
prosecute
the
people.
I
mean
that
that's
what
happened.
G
You
know
it
was
10
years
ago.
It's
kind
of
sketching
my
mind,
but
you
know
I
bring
this
up.
You
know:
what's
an
alternative
I'll,
tell
you
what
an
alternative
is.
There
should
have
been
undercover
detectives
out
in
the
crowd,
seeing
who
is
causing
the
problems.
That's
how
we
prevent
it
when
something
like
that,
where
you
have
a
big
group
have
two
or
three
detectives
in
there.
G
What
do
they
do
at
the
capitol
in
washington
dc,
with
with
the
riots
down
there?
They
went
to
social
media,
they
found
out
who
did
it
after
the
fact
they
let
it
de-escalate
after
the
fact
they
went
around
and
they
arrested
people
how
many
people
were
arrested
after
june
1st-
I
don't
know,
I
know,
may
30th
and
you
know
there
was
definite
damage.
People's
lives
were
in
danger,
but
putting
gas
out.
G
You
know
it's
just
I'm
still
100
that
we
need
to
get
this
tool
taken
away
and
just
because
it's
taken
away
doesn't
mean
that
there's
ever
a
need
in
the
future.
We
can't
turn
around
and
bring
it
back.
That's
what
legislation
bodies
are
for
trying
it
out.
You
know
we
gave
a
chance.
There
was
two
opportunities
and
it's
caused
a
lot
of
problems.
So
you
know
again,
that's
my
two
cents.
F
F
F
As
I
was
listening
to
the
chief
and
him
basically
saying
the
only
alternative
really
I
mean
he
didn't
say
it
quite
that
but
hand-to-hand
combat,
that's
what
we
that's.
What
would
happen?
Do
you
want
that,
and
I
have
to
say
I'm
so
offended
that
that
is
the
solution
again.
There's
a
lack
of
understanding
about
the
militarization
of
the
police,
lack
of
understanding
about
what
the
escalation
means.
F
I
can't
imagine,
chief
krockhoff
or
chief
cox,
saying
to
us,
hand-to-hand
combat,
would
be
the
result,
as
opposed
to
actually
working
the
problem,
so
we
can
sit
here
and
we
can
defer
about.
Oh,
we
can
say:
oh
we're,
going
to
sit
down
and
we're
going
to
examine
this,
but
we
need
to
send
a
clear
message.
This
is
not
acceptable
and
then
they
will
figure
out
what
they
need
to
do
in
order
to
address
this
kind
of
situation.
F
F
F
That
is
the
plan
we
adopted.
We
addressed
this
and
now
we're
being
told
that
this
is
a
rash
decision.
The
police
chief
was
a
co-chair
of
this
collaborative.
I
believe
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
these
discussions
have
been
going
on
for
six
nine
months.
At
this
point,
the
proposal
came
out
of
the
proposal
was
part
of
the
plan
that
he
participated
in
and
that
was
delivered
to
us
on
february
8th.
This
is
now
a
rash
decision.
F
F
And
what
our
lack
of
approval
of
this
legislation
will
telegraph
to
everybody
is
the
plan
is
not
a
plan.
The
police
chief
gets
to
pick
and
choose.
He
didn't
address
it.
He
didn't
get
his
way.
When
the
report
came
out
now
he
gets
to
pick
and
choose
what
he's
going
to
support
and
what
he's
going
to
be
opposed
to.
F
This
is
not
what
this
process
was
supposed
to
be
about,
and
I'm
very
bothered
that
here
we
are,
we're
being
told
that
this
is
a
rash
decision
at
this
point
by
the
police
chief,
who
is
co-chair
of
this
body
of
this
collaborative-
and
this
was
part
part
of
the
work
product
of
two
different
work
groups,
the
you
know
the
conclusions
that
were
put
in
there
and
he
hasn't
come
up
with
an
alternative
he's,
simply
saying
no,
no.
What
was
in
that
plan?
F
D
Kelly,
you
know
we
did
this
whole
collaborative
and
the
plan
came
out
of
it
or
whatever
suggestions
were
made,
I'm
just
reading
it
again
and
it
says
one
actions
use
of
force.
The
use
of
chemical
weapons
such
as
tear
gas
should
be
restricted
in
heavy
heavily
populated,
dense,
neighborhoods
and
apd
should
look
for
additional,
safe
and
effective
alte
alternative
measures,
and
according
to
this,
then,
you
know
they're,
saying
it's
going
to
take
a
little
time.
D
D
Well,
it
sounds
like
a
lot
of
outside
agitators
were
trying
to
escalate
this
okay,
and
I
was
not
there,
but
someone
said:
there's
molotov
cocktails
commercial
fireworks,
so
it
seemed
like
that
got
agitated
and
it
gets
the
point
for
people.
What
do
you
do
next
now?
They
said
that
the
the
tear
gas
or
whatever
they
want
to
call
it,
is
supposed
to
be
create
a
safety
barrier
between
the
two
where
the
crowds
were
where
the
police
officers
were
and
when
people
started
officer,
hansen.
D
Okay,
the
horse,
well
officer
hanson,
the
guy
that
got
hit
in
the
head
still
has
a
in
a
coma
or
not
a
coma,
a
concussion.
You
know
all
these
different
things
led
it's
just
like
it
was
it's
just
terrible
and
all
I
keep
thinking
about
the
stuff
that
happened
in
washington.
What
are
they
going
to
do?
How
they're
going
to
be
prepared
for
the
future?
How
are
we
going
to
prepare
for
this
again?
If
we
don't
have
something-
and
I
don't
know
what
it
is?
D
Okay,
we
have
to
come
up
with
something
and,
if
there's
nothing
better,
maybe
this
has
to
stay
in
place
for
the
few
times
that
it
has
been
used
and
and
in
certain
neighborhoods,
okay,
we're
densely
populated,
but
I'm
just
back
and
forth,
and
I
don't
know,
but
the
plan
says
we're
supposed
to
look
to
an
alternative,
and
I
do
think
we'll
need
one.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
Thank
you.
G
A
B
A
N
A
A
B
A
G
Yes,
kelly,
you
know
this
tear
gas.
Is
it's
a
it's
like
around
world
war,
two
well
world
war.
One
was
when
they
used
the
mustard
but
police
force
using
it
was
world
war
ii.
So
what
there
was
hostage
situations
you
know
back
in
the
20s
and
1910s
I
mean
there
was
a
crime
of
the
century
and
you
know
back.
Then
I
mean
this
is
the
history
of
our
country,
because
we
allow,
you
know,
weapons
and
stuff
like
that.
But
what
did
they
do
back
then?
G
You
know
and
my
feeling
is,
you
know,
somebody's
barricaded
in
with
a
gun.
You
know
throwing
tear
gas
to
answer
councilman
balor
and
they
might
shoot
them
say
well.
This
is
all
over
I'm
going
to
blow
the
person
away.
I
think
if
you
sat
out
there,
if
it
takes
two
days,
you
sit
outside
the
house.
Eventually
the
person's
going
to
have
to
come
out.
G
C
C
Support
and
I'm
being
I'm
meeting
people
95
percent
of
the
way,
and
I
can't
get
that
five
percent.
My
recommendation
is
then
gonna,
be
that
I
hope
we
continue
this
conversation
for
another
meeting.
I
don't
want
this
to
die
here
today,
but
I'd
like
for
us
to
have
further
conversations,
so
we
can
try
to
include.
A
Everybody
yeah
so,
and
so
I
I
happen
to
agree
with
mr
ballerin
with
the
tabling,
but
at
the
same
time
I
I
like
I
stated
before
I
don't
know
where
I'm
gonna
come
down
on
this.
I
really
have
a
problem
with
this,
but
I
won't
prevent
a
vote
on
the
council
with
it.
So
I
you
know
I'll
I'll
vote
as
a
part
of
moving
this
forward
out
of
committee.
But
again
I
I
have
some
serious
concerns
and
problems
with
this
so
bias.
B
N
We
didn't
have
the
vote
so
joe,
igor,
alfredo
and
you
didn't
seem,
except
it
seemed
like
you
wanted
more
time
to
discuss
to
have
a
please
come
back
shorter
presentation,
I
hope,
but
with
the
plan
and
showing
us
what
the
alternative
solutions
is.
I'm
voting
to
ban
this
personally,
but
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
do
a
disservice
to
my
fellow
council
members,
who
simply
want
more
time
before
deciding
on
a
vote.
A
N
F
F
So
you
know,
I'm
being
told
basically
I'm
being
unreasonable
because
I'm
not
willing
to
go
that
five
percent,
but
you
know
there's
no
language.
That
tells
me
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
lawyer.
You
know
what
that
five
percent
is,
and
until
you
have
the
language
you
don't
really
know
whether
or
not
it's
five
percent.
F
F
F
It
seems
as
though
talk
about
rash
decisions
and
escalation
of
violence
against
people
of
color,
and
I
that's
why
we're
here?
That's
why
we
have
the
plan.
That's
why
we
have
the
you
know
the
report
and,
and
mr
igo
cited
language
specifically
from
one
of
the
record
one
of
the
work
groups
and
the
other
one
contains
no
such
caveats
with
regard
to
that
this
particular
you
know,
legislation
provides
for
there
to
be
a
policy
developed
with
regard
to
this.
F
F
There
is
a
need
for
doing
more
community
policing
and
we've
had
that
be
fully
supported
and
watered
down
in
the
last
several
years,
so
people
have
had
the
opportunity
to
propose
specific
amendments,
and
now
this
is
a
way
of,
I
want
to
say,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
when
this
has
been
a
topic
of
discussion
for
nine
months
or
longer.
At
this
point,
so
I
I
think
I
think
the
public
deserves
a
vote
at
the
full
council.
F
A
G
C
G
A
Right
right,
joe
okay,
so
that
that
would
be
my
concern
also
I
I
might
my
concerns
are
still
my
concern.
So
I
mean
I'd,
be
more
worried
about
the
mass
massive
amount
of
people
outdoors
and
stuff
going
on
than
someone
barricaded
in
a
in
a
enclosed
environment,
but
we're
to
the
point
where
we're
we're
yeah.
D
A
G
Had
done
it,
I
had
done
it
indoor,
you
know,
I
can
argue,
I
I
don't
think
it
belongs
outdoor.
I'm
sorry
I
mean
it's.
We
survived
all
these
years
without
it
outdoor.
I
don't
think,
there's
been
any
case
where
we
had
to
use
tear
gas
outdoors
in
order
to
you
know
to
save
a
hostage
alfredo
brought
up
a
definite
problem
where
there
was
a
gunman,
they
thought
locked
up
inside
with
hostages,
and
that
was
his
big
concern
and
trying
to
give
that
just
a
little
bit
that
line.
F
C
G
C
Because
they're
on
the
ground,
so
can
we
please
can
some
of
maybe
t
please
answer
how
you
do
this?
If
you
had
a
hostage
situation
or
you
had
a
person
barricaded,
I
saw
how
you
did
it
in
my
neighborhood,
so
I
want
to
get
an
idea
of
how
it's
done
so
we
can
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
voting
on
a
little
more
clearer.
L
M
L
Some
exceptions
made
to
this-
it's
probably
wise-
to
have
some
input
at
this
point
from
the
experts
from
some
of
the
officers
and
commanders
who
are
actually
using
this
in
the
field
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
terminology
and
in
in
the
actual
application
in
circumstances.
That's
that's
all.
I
would
ask
at
this
point.
L
L
We
have
that
sop
already
in
place,
and
so
I
think
it's
been
asked
of
me
a
couple
of
times
that
during
this
presentation
and
and
yes,
we
do
have
that
we
can
produce
that
so
a
plan
is
is
in
place
now,
there's
obviously
an
appetite
to
to
have
some
more
input
from
other
stakeholders
as
to
if
their
plan
should
stay
the
same,
should
it
be
totally
thrown
out,
or
should
there
be
some
modifications
to
that?
My
suggestion
would
be
that
there'd
be
some
modifications
to
the
plan
we
already
have
in
place.
F
F
You
know
that
policy,
so
those
kind
of
details
can
be
worked
out.
Then.
I
also
want
to
note
that
we
all
the
time
pass
legislation
out
with
the
intent
being
clear
and
then
jr
works
the
specific
language
on
it.
I
think
that
we
are
clear
about
the
concept
and
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
need
for
further
delay.
C
C
D
N
N
A
C
A
F
C
I
think
if
it's,
if
someone's,
if
there's
a
gunman
in
someone's
backyard
and
we're
trying
to
get
that
person
out,
I
think
I
think
keeping
it
in
a
dangerous
environment
gives
it
a
more
broader
appeal,
because
the
last
thing
you
want
something
to
run
into
the
backyard
and
well,
they
can't
get
me
inside.
So
if
we
can
get
that
language
in,
then
I
can
feel
comfortable
voting
for
it
on
the
floor
when
it
comes
to
the
council,
I
didn't
want
to
hold
it
up
back
and
forth
and
debate.
We've
had
enough.
A
A
It's
really
what
it
boils
down
to
and,
of
course
the
collaborative
is
meant
to
rebuild
relationships,
build
trust
and
all
of
that
stuff.
So
I
I
mean
we
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
because
really,
this
is
the
the
overriding
issue
is
trust,
and
so
we
gotta
take
the
steps
we
need
to
to
to
overcome
that
or
make
that
that
better
and
with
that
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.