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From YouTube: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 Public Safety Committee
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A
A
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
call
to
order
tonight's
public
safety
committee
meeting.
The
date
is
May
1st
and
the
time
is
6:21
p.m.
joining
me
from
the
Public
Safety
Committee.
We
have
councilman
Alfredo,
ballerina,
councilman,
Thomas,
Hoey,
councilman,
Kelly,
Kimbrough
and
Councilman
Joe
Aiko
council
members
present.
We
have
councilman
Jamel
Robinson
Councilwoman,
oh
my
goodness,
Jenny
barrows,
Jenny
Farrow,
councilman,
Derek,
Johnson,
councilman,
Joyce,
love,
Councilwoman,
do
dedo
shirt
council
president
over
there
hiding
Cori,
Ellis
and
then
President
Pro
temp,
Richard
Conte
did
I
miss
anybody.
Okay,
all
right.
A
We
also
have
present
our
police
chief
chief
Hawkins,
who
is
here
and
just
to
give
the
public
an
idea
of
how
the
meeting
will
be
formatted.
This
evening
we
will
hear
from
chief
Hawkins.
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
allowed
to
allow
the
chief
the
opportunity
to
debrief
the
Council
on
the
police
involved
incident
that
occurred
on
First
Street
on
March
16th,
so
the
chief
will
be
providing
us
a
debrief
on
that
incident,
but
also
provide
us
with
updates
on
what
has
happened
since
the
investigation
was
launched.
A
Once
we
hear
from
the
chief,
the
members
of
the
Common
Council
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
chief
questions
I'm
going
to
accept.
My
colleagues
asked
one
question
so
that
we
can
keep
the
meeting
flowing
and
then
once
we
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
chief,
we
will
then
open
up
the
floor
to
allow
you,
the
public,
the
opportunity
to
provide
public
comment,
and
each
of
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
provide
your
comment.
So
when
we
get
to
that
portion,
I'll
give
you
more
details.
B
Right,
Thank,
You,
chair
and
good
evening,
everybody
good
evening,
members
of
the
community
we
evening,
members
of
Common
Council,
so
I'll
just
start
off
with
just
an
overview
in
a
timeline
of
the
events
and
in
just
some
brief
comments.
After
that
and
then
I
open
it
up
to
questions
from
Council
and
then
later
to
members
of
the
community.
B
At
that
time
the
link
was
corrupted
or
otherwise
could
not
be
reviewed
by
me
at
that
point,
so
I
was
not
able
to
review
that
link
until
Monday
March
18th,
and
at
that
point
we
reviewed
that
video
and
we
saw
that
there
was
some
sort
of
incident
involving
officers
and
some
community
members
on
First
Street.
The
incident
happened
in
the
early
morning,
hours
of
Saturday
March
16th,
and
we
saw
that
the
officers
that
were
involved
obviously
had
body-worn
cameras
and
that
morning,
or
that
afternoon
of
March
of
March
18th
Monday
March
18th.
B
We
began
the
process
of
reviewing
the
body,
worn
cameras
of
all
of
the
officers
who
had
responded
to
that
scene
on
that
Saturday
morning,
and
so
we
reviewed
those
hundreds
of
hours
of
body,
worn
camera
videos
and
by
the
evening
of
mark
Tuesday,
March
19th.
We
determined
that
there
were
some
improprieties
and
some
inappropriate
conduct
involving
some
of
the
officers
in
with
the
incident
on
Saturday,
March,
16th
and
so
on.
B
Wednesday
the
morning
of
Wednesday
March
20th,
one
of
the
officers
was
suspended
without
pay,
and
that
was
officer
Luke
dear,
and
we
began
the
process
the
internal
process
of
reviewing
the
actions
of
all
of
the
officers
who
were
on
the
scene
that
Saturday
morning.
At
the
same
time,
we
began
a
concurrent
criminal
investigation
of
all
of
the
officers
and
all
of
the
other.
B
On
the
morning
of
Tuesday
April,
2nd
officer,
deer
was
arrested
and
charged
with
criminal
offenses
and
two
other
officers
on
that
day
were
suspended
without
pay,
and
the
case
was
at
that
point
forwarded
to
the
district
attorney's
office
for
a
review
of
the
criminal
culpability
of
everyone
who
was
present
on
that
early
morning.
Hours
of
March
16th.
B
So
at
this
point
right
now,
we
still
have
criminal
charges
that
are
pending
against
officer
deer.
We
have
the
two
officers
that
are
on
suspension
without
pay.
Their
actions
are
being
reviewed
by
the
district
attorney's
office
for
criminal
culpability,
and
we
were
asked
in
all
of
the
remaining
officers
who
are
at
that
scene.
Their
actions
are
either
being
reviewed
from
a
criminal
perspective
or
from
a
from
an
internal
administrative
perspective,
to
determine
whether
or
not
there
were
some
sort
of
policies,
and/or
procedures
that
were
violated
during
that
incident.
B
From
what
I
understand
the
district
attorney's
office
is
nearing
the
conclusion
of
their
internal,
invest,
investigate
of
the
criminal
piece
of
this
and
we're
waiting
the
results
of
that
we're
real
close
to
wrapping
up
the
internal
administrative
piece
of
this
investigation,
and
we
we're
anticipating
that
the
internal
piece
will
be
completed
right
around
the
time
that
the
district
attorney's
office
is
completing
the
criminal
investigation
of
this.
And
that
right
now
is
the
update
for
in
terms
of
the
investigation.
B
B
We're
also
doing
a
lot
of
things
in
terms
of
staffing
issues
within
the
police
department
in
order
to
get
staffing
up
to
the
budget
at
levels,
because,
although
that's
not
an
int,
that's
not
a
direct.
It
didn't
have
a
direct
impact
on
what
happened
on
the
morning
of
March
16th
indirectly.
All
of
these
things
together
have
an
impact
on
overall
operations
in
the
police
department.
B
So
we're
also
looking
at
some
of
those
things
as
well
and
we're
we're
undergoing
a
series
of
meetings
with
community
members
to
discuss
these
sorts
of
issues
as
well
as
internally
I'm,
also
meeting
on
a
regular
basis
with
officers
and
non
sworn
personnel
and
the
police
department,
so
that
we
can
discuss
these
issues
and
work
our
way
through
some
of
these
things.
And
lastly,
before
we
get
to
the
questions
from
Council,
I
think
that
for
me
it
was.
B
It
was
very
important
that
we
look
at
this
and
if
there
were
some
improprieties,
if
there
were
some
inappropriate
conduct
from
police
officers,
not
only
in
this
incident
but
in
any
incident
going
forward.
It's
important
that
we
send
the
message
that
there's
accountability
and
that
these
issues
will
be
looked
at
seriously
by
the
executive
staff
and
the
police
department
and
the
appropriate
response
will
be
taken,
but
I
think
also.
We.
B
The
incident
that
we
saw
in
March
16th
and
the
impropriety
that
we
saw
on
March
16th
are
not
reflective
of
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
officers
that
we
have
in
this
Police.
Department
I
think
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
encourage
those
who
are
out
there
doing
the
right
things,
those
who
are
out
there
serving
and
those
who
are
out
there,
making
sure
that
that
they
have
the
their
continuing
with
the
mission
of
not
only
this
city,
but
this
Police
Department.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
You
chief
chief
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
I
want
to
thank
you
personally
for
your
swift
action
regarding
this
matter.
So
what
I'll
do
is
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues
and
we'll
start
again
with
one
question
and
then
allow
all
of
the
council
members
to
ask
one
initial
question
and
then,
if
you
have
additional
questions,.
B
So
that
officers
are
very,
very
they're,
getting
all
the
information
that
they
need
so
that
they
have
clear
understandings
about
things
like
the
Fourth
Amendment
about
about
other
things
that
they
have
to
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis
when
they're
doing
when
they're
out
there
performing
and
I'd
like
to
add,
though
that
I
don't
see
this,
the
the
training
gaps
that
we
saw
aren't
widespread
in
the
department.
It's
not
it's,
not
a
systemic
issue,
but
clearly
this
incident
showed
that
there
are
some
gaps
there.
C
D
E
Okay
got
a
statement
and
a
question.
My
statement
is:
as
a
former
member
of
the
Albany
Police
Department
for
22
years,
the
VAT
I
agree
with
you.
The
vast
majority
officers
go
out
there
to
do
the
job
and
and
most
of
the
issues
that
we
have
with
our
folks.
We
revolve
around
disrespect,
I
think
more
than
any
more
than
us
being
harmed
by
police.
It's
it's
a
disrespecting
which
leads
into
all
other
things
that
that's
my
statement
you
mentioned.
This
is
a
training
issue
that
we
could
fix
this
with
training.
E
I
just
haven't
watched
the
video
like
everyone
else,
I,
don't
see
how
training
will
fix
what
happened
in
that
video
I.
Really
don't
I
just
heard
you
explained
some
aspects
of
training,
but
again
it's
it's
I'm
at
a
loss.
I,
don't
see
how
how
you
fixed
that,
and
that's
that
that's
my
thoughts
on
that.
B
B
It's
there
are
no
quick
fixes
there.
You
know,
you
don't
turn
it.
You
know
you
don't
have
a
180
degree
turn,
and
you
know
two
or
three
months,
but
I
certainly
think
and
I
know.
Yeah
and
I
know
going
forward
that
we're
going
to
have
some
progress
because
I
see
it
already,
because
the
message
has
been
sent
that
yes,
we
do
support
our
officers
when
our
officers
are
out
there
in
our
nonce
warrants
are
out
there
and
they're
protecting
and
they're
serving
like
they
got
into
this
profession.
B
To
do,
then,
we
give
them
support,
but
when
there
are
in
improprieties
and
when
there
are
clearly
things
that
in
this
case,
unlawful
actions,
then
we
also
have
to
send
a
strong,
strong
message
that
there
will
be
repercussions
and
there
will
be
accountability
and
that
message
starts
to
move
the
needle
in
terms
of
a
cultural
change
and
again
I.
It
takes
much.
It
takes
many
more
months
than
than
seven
months
to
to
figure
out
exactly
where
we
need
to
go
in
terms
of
what's
the
endgame
with
this
cultural
shift.
B
We
need,
because
my
sense
is:
is
that
there's
some
very,
very
good
things.
You
know
it's
not
a
sense.
It's
I
know
it
there's
some
very,
very
good
things
that
are
happening
and
that
have
been
happening
in
this
Police
Department
and
we've
got
a
we've
got
to
embrace
those
good
things
that
have
been
happening.
We've
got
to
identify
some
of
those
things
like
we
saw
on
March
16th
and
take
some
action
so
that
we
can
shift
that
culture
in
a
sense.
So
I
hope
that
answers
that,
for
you,
sir.
E
A
F
D
F
I
just
wonder
as
a
person
as
a
human
being,
how
does
a
person
get
to
that
level
where
they
can
unleash
that
anger
in
you
know
trying
to
hurt
another
person?
Could
could
the
job
have
done
that
or
is
it
something
else
you
know
in
that
person's
makeup?
That
did
it,
you
know
I,
don't
know
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
but
I
guess.
My
only
question
is:
should
we
work
and
to
get
the
force
up
to
the
levels
where
it's
supposed
to
be
at.
B
Yes
and
you're
right,
we
can't
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
what
the
motivations
were.
It's
you
know
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
any
anybody
knows
what
the
motivations
are,
except
for
those
who
were
involved,
but
I
do
agree
with
you
that
the
officers
who
or
in
anybody
in
any
profession,
if
folks
are
being
overworked,
then
it
it
has
some
impact.
B
It
has
some
impact
on
performance
and
especially
when
you're
in
a
in
an
occupation
that
already
has
an
inherent
stress
level
anyway,
and
so
you're
right
right
now
we're
we're
down
somewhere
around
40
officers.
We,
you
know
we're
having
you
know
just
as
quickly
as
we're
getting
officers
in
we're
having
officers
retiring.
So
so
it's
we're
having
that
challenge
I'm
optimistic
going
forward
because
we
have
we
have
a
solid,
recruit
class
that
just
graduated.
B
We
have
another
recruit
class
coming
in
within
another
couple
of
months
and
we're
working
on
some
opportunities
that
I
think
are
gonna
come
to
pass.
They're
gonna
allow
us
to
increase
our
capacity
in
terms
of
the
number
of
officers
that
we
can
train
at
one
time,
because
one
of
our
challenges
now
is
that
we
can
only
train
up
to
20
officers
at
any
given
time
because
of
space
constraints
and
we're
working
on
some
opportunities
where
we
can
double
that
capacity.
So
going
forward.
I'm
optimistic,
but
I
agree
with
you.
B
You
know,
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
were
doing
is
we're
monitoring
stress
levels
in
our
officers
because
we're
having
officers
who,
because
of
because
of
staffing
levels,
some
officers
are
being
mandated
to
work
after
they
complete
their
regular
shift.
There
they're
being
mandated
to
work
the
following
shift,
simply
because
we
don't
have
enough
staffing
that
to
start
that
next
shift
and
over
the
course
of
time,
if
that's
not
monitored,
then
it
could
have
an
impact
on
performance.
B
And
when
you
have
officers
who
again,
who
are
in
a
high-stress
environment
already,
then
that
could
have
some
some
consequences
that
that
we
don't
want
to
see.
And
so
we
monitor
very
very
closely
and
again
one
of
our
strategies
to
kiley
v8.
That
is
to
aggressively,
recruit
and
get
some
bodies
in
here.
We're
doing
that
and
going
forward
I'm
optimistic
about
getting
some
some
numbers
getting
our
numbers
up
to
budget
at
levels.
G
Thank
you,
I
know.
The
last
12
months
have
been
a
very
difficult,
very
difficult
for
our
city
and
our
relationship
with
our
police
and
our
communities.
I.
Remember
not
that
long
ago,
when
community
members
were
angry
at
the
fact
that
we
might
have
state
troopers
coming
in
and
assisting
our
force
because
they
tore
our
forced
with
one
of
the
best
trained
and
best
in
the
area.
So
this
is.
G
And
it
does
tarnish
the
sacrifice
and
hard
work,
that's
done
by
those
who
were
the
uniform
and
it's
sacrificed
not
just
the
day
but
also
their
families
good.
So
we
need
to
fix
that
and
we
need
to
change
that
and
we
need
to
improve
the
trust
as
well
as
improve
the
relationships
and
also
improve
the
interactions
between
our
communities
and
our
law
enforcement.
So
I
guess
I'm,
gonna,
cheat
and
I'm
gonna
ask
two
questions.
G
G
Well,
we're
going
into
a
summer
with
four
less
officers
than
we
had
last
year.
That's
problematic
to
me
a
lot
of
the
struggles
that
we
had
last
year
we
was
there
was
a
lack
of
communication.
People
didn't
feel
comfortable
talking
to
our
talking
and
sharing
what
they
knew.
That's
something
we
have
to
change,
that's
something
we
need
to
correct
to
be
able
to
stop
the
violence
that
we
have
in
our
communities.
So
my
first
question
is:
how
are
we
going
to?
G
What
steps
are
we
going
to
take
now
to
try
to
make
these
changes,
because
we're
going
into
a
summer
with
less
officers
and
we're
gonna
need
more
community
support
to
avoid
some
of
the
situations
that
we
have?
My
second
question
is:
what
can
we
do
as
a
council
to
help
address
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
with
staffing,
because.
G
Being
fully
office
is
low,
it's
not
good
and
especially
in
the
communities
that
I
represent
and
means
where
I
live.
If
people
want
to
know
that,
when
you
call
you're
gonna
have
someone
come
people
want
to
know
when
you
call
you
gonna
have
something
respect
the
neighborhood
when
they
come,
but
they
want
to
make
sure
somebody
comes.
So
what
can
we
do?
I'm,
not
gonna
put
it
all
on
on
you
and
I'm,
not
gonna
put
it
all
in
your
department,
I
mean
we
all
have
a
shared
responsibility,
whether
we
like
it
or
not.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
share
your
concern,
because
this
is
precisely
the
time
when
we
need
strong
police
community
relationships.
This
is
precisely
the
time
when
we
need,
as
police
officers,
to
be
working
very
very
closely
with
members
of
this
community,
because
you
absolutely
right.
It's
Nate,
it's
not
just
in
the
city
of
Albany,
but
in
cities
across
the
country.
B
It's
it's
vitally
important
that
that
we,
as
as
executives
and
police
departments,
listen
very
closely
to
what
the
people
in
our
community
are
telling
us
listen
very
closely
to
with
the
concerns
and
what
the
fears
are,
so
that
we
can
take
those
and
begin,
and
we
can
incorporate
some
of
these
concerns
and
fears
and
set
our
policies
and
our
practices.
And
so
we
have
a
sensitivity
to
those
things
as
we
move
forward
and
draft
out
strategies
for
addressing
issues
that
we
have
in
our
community
and
so
and
so
we're
doing
a
number
of
things.
B
We're
still
doing
all
of
the
things
that
you
all
know
about
that
we've
been
doing
in
this
community
for
years.
In
terms
of
the
you
know,
the
pop-up
barbecues,
the
you
know:
we've
got
community
neighborhood
engagement
officers
who
are
out
doing
some
things.
You
know,
we've
we've
got
dare
officers
or
Powell
officers
and
and
all
these
sorts
of
things
that
allow
us
to
engage
in
an
informal
manner
with
with
members
of
our
community.
B
So
we
can
share,
we
can
listen
and
we
can
have
folks
in
our
community
feel
comfortable
sharing
things
with
us
and
we'll
continue
to
do
those
things
and
we'll
continue
to
when
when
things
are
good
and
when
our
people
do
good
things,
we
have
to
say
it
and
yeah
and
I'm
I'll
get
to
your
second
question.
You
know
with
more
but
I,
but
I
just
want
to
talk
about
it.
A
little
bit
right
here,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
that
all
of
us
can
do.
B
You
know
we
we're
going
to
hold
our
police
officers
accountable
when
things
when
things
aren't
right
and
when
things
need
to
be
adjust
it
we're
going
to
do
that.
But
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
during
times
like
this,
just
like
we
reach
out
to
members
of
our
community
and
we're
reaching
out
in
a
genuine
way
to
members
of
our
community
I
think
it's
good
for
our
community
members,
I
think
is
good
for
council
I
think
is
good
for
visitors
in
this
in
this
community.
B
When
we
see
good
things
to
sing
it,
let
our
let
our
officers
know
that
they've
done
some
good
things
and
in
you
know
and
I
know
we
do
it
I
get
letters
all
the
time
and
I
you
know,
I
get
as
many.
You
know,
I
get
a
lot
of
letters
of
appreciation
from
folks,
but
I.
Think
a
key
piece
of
this
is
also
showing
appreciation
for
those
who
are
out
there
serving
and
protecting
and
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
That's
the
key
piece
of
it.
B
And
so
it's
it's
those
sorts
of
things
too.
So
all
those
little
things
all
those
little
interpersonal
things
helped
and
they
helped
us
get
through.
Some
of
these
things,
other
things
that
the
council
and
our
community
can
do.
That
you're,
asking
is,
is
explaining
there
gonna
be
some
times
when
we
have
open
positions.
One
of
the
things
that
I
hear
consistently
is
about
some
of
our
beat
officer
positions
and
and
I
know
they're.
B
You
know
very,
very
important
in
our
communities
and
in
our
residents
love
our
beat
officers,
we're
going
to
continue
that
beat
officer
concept,
we're
going
to
fill
those
positions,
but,
as
you
know,
when
we're
40
officers,
lo
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
officers
to
respond
for
calls
for
service
just
regular
calls
for
service,
and
so
when
you're
getting
these
concerns
from
from
your
constituents.
I
think
a
good
message
to
sin
is
that
we
will
fool
these
positions
we'll
get
back
to
where
we
need
to
be.
B
A
We
get
distracted
by
the
issue
when
we
talk
about
and
I
know
that,
there's
a
balance
that
we
a
dance
that
we
do
and
we
have
to
talk
about
acknowledging
the
good
of
our
officers
and
we
should
because
our
officers
do
put
themselves
at
risk.
My
mother
was
a
DC
police
officer
for
nine
years.
I
get
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
we're
here
because
three
black
men
in
our
community
were
assaulted
by
officers.
A
There
are
two
proposed
to
protect
residents
in
this
community,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
having
this
conversation
just
for
the
sake
of
having
it,
and
we
need
to
be
frank
and
real
about
the
racial
piece,
because
we
see
a
disparity
in
attacks
when
it
comes
to
our
residents
of
color.
If
we
were
seeing
the
same
level
of
officer-involved
incidents
throughout
the
city.
That's
one
thing,
but
we
see
these
incidents
consistently
happen
in
our
black
communities.
A
B
B
A
B
A
H
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
do
have
a
question,
but
I
do
have
comments.
We
everyone
we've
heard
you
talk
about
a
cultural
shift,
cultural
mindset
of
our
officers
and
the
first.
How
do
we
have
that
cultural
shift?
I
believe
you
have
the
cultural
shift
when
officers
know
when
they
file
a
false
police
report,
there
will
be
ramifications
for
that
I
believe
there's
a
cultural
shift
when
officers
see
another
officer
do
something
that
is
wrong
and
report
it
and
those
officers
are
held
accountable.
I
That's
how
you
have
a
cultural
shift,
it's
hard
to
have
it's
hard
for
us
to
build
that
community
relations.
If
a
community
feels
like
there
was
an
injustice
that
happened
and
that
injustice
was
not
just
so
when
we
look
at
what
happened
in
is
in
this
incidence,
this
community
feels
there
was
injustice.
So
if
we
want
to
build
on
those
community
relationships,
this
community
has
to
see
and
know
justice
and
part
of
that
justice.
I
We
have
a
letter
here
from
a
friend
of
mine
man,
I
respect
many
years
mark
Mishler
and
mr.
Mishler
is
representing
one
of
the
complaints,
but
he's
also
a
citizen.
So
I
don't
view
this
letter.
As
a
lawyer,
lettuce,
I
view
this
as
a
citizen
of
a
city
of
Albany
who
wants
questions
to
these
these
answers?
Now,
chief,
you
said
you
were
doing
an
internal
investigation.
This
is
not
a
question.
This
is
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
seen
these
questions
that
mr.
Mishler
no.
D
I
Can
someone
get
to
chief
these
questions,
because
what
I
would
like
a
part
of
your
investigation
I
would
like
these
questions
that
mark
Mishler
asks
answered,
I
think
they
deserve
an
answer.
I
think
those
answers
will
help
that
part
of
healing
and
that
part
of
justice
in
the
city.
So
I
would
like
to
see
these
questions
that
mr.
Mishler
answered
I
mean
ask
answered
and
presented
to
the
council.
I
really
would
like
to
see
it
I
think
some
of
these
questions,
other
people
will
ask
but
I
think
these
questions
need
to
be
answered.
I
My
question
because
of
the
incident
we
found
out
about
it
through
a
cell
phone
and
the
use
of
a
cell
phone,
the
body
cameras
were
worn
deplete.
The
reports
were
not
filed
properly,
so
those
body
cameras,
if
no
no
cell
phone
was
there.
We
would
never
found
out
about
it.
So
I
think
my
question
is
this:
our
policy
on
cameras
I
would
like
to
see
a
policy
so
that
way
we
take
a
lot
of
this
out
of
it
where,
because,
when
I
read
the
policy,
there's
no
really
policies
on.
I
I
We
should
check
any
body
cam
when
a
police
officer
files,
some
type
of
complaint
against
the
citizens
like
when
you
have
certain
complaints,
that
officers
might
file
breach
of
peace,
harassment,
disorderly
conduct
when
they
file
those
things,
I,
think
that
should
trigger
us
to
watch
those
body
cameras
when
they
come
right
off
of
their
office
when
they
file
that
report
disorderly
conduct
menacing
harassment,
police
brutality.
Any
incident
like
that
I
believe
those
body
cameras
should
be
checked
that
that
evening,
once
they
come
off
shifts
once
they
file
if
they
file
a
proper
report.
I
If
part
two
of
the
policy,
if
those
cameras
show
that
the
report
was
false,
those
officers
need
to
be
held
accountable.
They
have
to
be
held
accountable
citizens
everyday.
If
you
file
a
false
police
report,
you
held
accountable,
you
can
be
prosecuted,
so
those
who
are
sworn
to
serve
and
protect
files
of
pulse
report
and
nothing
happens.
That's
not
justice
and
what
we
seek
is
accountability.
I
B
B
There
are
two
ways
they
trigger
it:
okay,
number
one:
all
supervisors
are
required
to
perform
random
reviews
of
the
body,
more
cameras
of
those
that
work
for
them,
whether
or
not
there's
any
complaint
or
any
for
any
incident
involved
at
all.
So
so,
every
every
every
day,
our
soup,
our
supervisors,
are
randomly
reviewing
at
least
one
of
their
officers
that
are
assigned
to
them.
B
They're
their
body,
worn
cameras
on
just
just
a
random
review,
so
we've
got
that
piece,
but
then
we
have
the
piece
also
where,
if
there's
for
say
a
citizen's
complaint
or
there's
some
incident
involving
use
of
force
or
there's
something
that
may
have
given
anybody
some
cause
for
concern,
because
it
may
have
been
just
a
major
incident.
Those
things
trigger
reviews
also
automatically
of
these
body,
worn
cameras
and
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
cuz
I
would
make
something
real
clear.
B
The
review
process
of
this
incident
and
I
think
it's
important
to
really
hear
that
piece
of
it
and
I
say
that,
because
in
a
lot
of
agencies
around
the
country,
unless
unless
there
is
a
formal
complaint,
unless
somebody
actually
calls
in
and
says
police
department,
this
is
what
happened.
I
know
this
person
there's
some
abuse.
There's
some
inappropriate
conduct.
There's
some
unlawfulness
on
behalf
of
a
police
of
this
police
officer.
Those
sorts
of
things
may
not
have
been
reviewed.
In
fact,
in
fact,
we
never
knew
who
the
victims
were.
B
We
never
knew
who
the
complainants
were.
All
we
had
was
a
random
anonymous
video
that
landed
on
our
on
our
doorstep
and
in
some
agencies
in
some
agencies
around
the
country
that
would
have
been
that
would
have
been
reviewed
internally
and
simply
whatever
would
have
happened
would
have
happened.
Whether
it'd
have
been
some
sort
of
internal
review
and
we
move
on
into
Intel
until
we
hear
something
until
something
public
comes
up,
maybe
that
maybe
that
sort
of
thing
may
have
been
kind
of
dealt
with
internally.
Our
position
was
different
with
this
one.
B
It
was
a
totally
random
random
thing
that
landed
on
our
doorstep,
and
there
was
an
immediate,
an
immediate
criminal
investigation
and
in
an
immediate
internal
investigation,
despite
not
knowing
who
these
folks
were
involved
in
it,
and
despite
not
having
anybody
who
ever
complained
about
it.
In
fact
it
was
it
was.
We
were
going
into
almost
a
week
and
a
half
of
of
canvassing
that
neighborhood
to
try
to
find
out
exactly
who
these
folks
were
in
this.
B
A
J
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
The
short
answer
to
your
question
is
that
if
an
officer
observes
any
violations
of
the
law,
that
Officer
is,
is
bound
and
has
a
duty
to
report
those
observations,
and
it's
really
as
simple
as
that.
But
it
goes
a
little
bit
further,
though,
because
if
officers
see
in
proprieties
that
don't
even
rise
to
the
level
of
a
criminal
offense,
they
still
have
a
duty
and
an
obligation
to
report
those
things.
Also
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
where
the
communication
breakdown
was,
but
I'm
certainly
concerned
about
it.
B
Just
as
you
are,
you
know,
you're
absolutely
right.
We
have
to
put
together
and
we
are
we're
putting
together
some
internal
communication
structures
that
will
make
sure
that
if
so
we
can
identify,
we
can
identify
officers
who
are
not
properly
reporting
those
sorts
of
things
so
that
we
can
so
we
can
properly
give
support
to
those
who
are
because
I
tell
you.
This
there's
been
some
time
since
I've
been
here
during
my
period
of
time
here
that
we've
had
officers
who
have
reported
some
things
that
that
seemed
inappropriate
to
them.
B
So
now
there
were,
there
were
reports
of
the
incident
itself
because
the
officers
you
know
they
drafted
reports,
they,
you
know,
there's
daily
daily
reports
that
make
their
way
to
my
office
and
so
that
incident
itself
was
reported.
But
when
you
have
that
level
of
impropriety,
then
there
should
have
been
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
to
exactly
what
happened
during
that
incident.
A
K
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
chief
for
being
here
on
this
evening
and
I,
also
want
to
publicly
thank
you,
because
when
you
first
got
into
office,
you
made
a
commitment
to
myself,
council,
member
and
council
member
loved
that
when
things
happen,
that
we
will
be
notified
and
we
will
be
called
in
a
few
days
after
I,
believe
that
you
reviewed
the
tape.
You
called
me,
and
you
said,
councilman
Robinson
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
the
video
but
I
want
to.
K
Let
you
know
that
I'm
on
it
and
I
do
appreciate
that,
because
when
I
was
contacted
from
the
family
by
the
family,
I
had
information
that
I
could
give
them
to.
Let
them
know
that
you
were
on
it
and
as
well
as
Councilwoman
players,
but
I
want
to
just
address
something
that
was
said
and
kind
of
talked
about
for
a
minute,
and
that
was
about
the
stress.
K
K
What
I
seen
that
night
wasn't
officer
deer
acting
out
of
stress?
He
was
acting
out
of
action.
That
I
can
do
anything.
I
want
and
I
will
have
the
backing
of
my
brothers
and
blue
brothers
and
sisters
in
blue
the
backing
of
my
police
and
the
backing
of
my
police
union.
That's
what
that
was,
and
thank
God.
We
did
have
body
cams
and
thank
God
that
there
was
a
individual
at
the
scene
who
decided
to
record.
K
But
my
question
is
that
I:
don't
believe
that
this
is
just
the
first
time
offense
of
officer,
dear
I,
don't
believe
it's
the
first
time,
I
just
think
I
believe
his
first
time
he
got
caught,
but
I
receive
calls
every
day
from
community
members
about
there
were
harassment
they
receive
from
the
police.
And
so
my
thing
is
it's
a
pattern
that
has
to
be
identified
with
officers,
because
most
of
the
time
is
just
not
a
first
time
thing.
B
All
right,
Thank
You
councilman
in
your
I'm
100%
with
you
as
it
pertains
to
identifying
some
of
these
these
patterns
and
connecting
the
dots
in
terms
of
behavior
behavior
patterns,
because
you're
absolutely
right
little
small,
seemingly
innocuous
types
of
interactions
that
may
not
right,
they
may
be
inappropriate
but
may
not
rise
to
discipline,
may
not
rise
to
a
criminal.
Offense
may
not
be
unlawful.
B
We've
got
to
be.
We've
got
to
carefully
track
those
sorts
of
things
because
in
a
lot
of
cases
it's
it's
a
sign
of
some
deeper
problems
that
we
need
to
deal
with.
So
we
have
early
warning
systems
in
our
in
our
department.
We
have
software
that
allows
us
to
identify
some
of
these
early
warning
patterns
with
officers
with
some
of
these
minor
incidents
and
to
if
we're
seeing
this
sort
of
pattern
to
make
sure
that
we
get
these
officers
the
assistance
that
they
need
to
kind
of
break
out
of
this
pattern.
Sometimes
it's
personal
issues.
B
Sometimes
it's
training
issues.
Sometimes
it's
it's
an
issue
where
a
person
just
doesn't
need
to
be
in
this
job
and
and
when
and
when
that
happens,
then
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that
that
we
give
them
the
appropriate
opportunities
to
look
for
employment
elsewhere.
If
something
like
that
happens,
you
know,
I
can
tell
you
in
my
in
my
short
time
here.
B
There's
been
at
this
point
during
by
six
or
seven
months
here,
two
who
have
resigned
during
the
disciplinary
process,
because
we
had
tracked
and
identified
some
issues
involved
with
some
of
these
individuals
and
they
knew
what
the
likely
endgame
was
going
to
be
at
the
end
of
this
review
process
and
they
decided
to
move
on
on
their
own
to
go.
Do
something
else
outside
of
this
department,
and
we've
had
one
that
has
been
arrested
for
unlawful
conduct
and
so
to
me.
I.
B
I've
worked
very
very
closely
with
our
office
of
Professional
Standards
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
resources
and
support
that
they
need
to
investigate
some
of
these
things
when
they're
coming
in
and
some
of
these
citizens,
citizens,
complaints
and
other
investigations
and
and
I
hold.
My
officers
and
my
nonce
warns
in
this
department
accountable
and
I
need
to
send
that
message
very
very
clearly
to
our
community.
But
I
also
want
to
send
the
message
very
very
clearly
to
this
community
and
also
to
the
officers
in
this
Police.
B
There
are
many
many
of
those
we
need
those
officers
and
and
I
don't
want
to
send
a
message
to
my
force
that
we
are
in
dieting
an
entire
Police
Department,
because
there
are
some
good
good
men
and
women
who
are
out
there,
helping
us
to
keep
this
community
safe
and
secure.
But
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
make
sure
that
those
who
are
not
serving
in
that
way
are
held
accountable
and
I.
Think
that
I've
sent
that
message
during
my
time
here:
okay,.
K
B
Think
that
we
can
do
that
simply
by
working
very
very
closely
with
those
who
are
who
are
on
that
board.
You
know
I
know:
I've
got
a
meeting
members
of
this
board
and
I
look
forward
to
sitting
down
and
talking
about
some
of
these
things.
I
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
really
get
into
the
weeds
of
of
how
we
can
maximize
the
effective
effectiveness
of
this
board,
but
but
I'm
certainly
a
willing
partner
in
doing
that
and
just
lastly,.
K
B
Certain,
let
me
just
comment
real
quickly
on
that
I
appreciate
that
comment
and
I
agree
with
you
yeah
absolutely
right.
We
can't
change.
What's
in
a
person's
heart,
I
can't
I
can't
change.
I
can't
change
an
attitude
if
a
person,
if
a
person
is
is
in
this
organization
and
and
they
have
they
had,
they
have
a
hardened
heart.
B
I
can't
change
that,
but
what
I
can
do,
but
I
certainly
can
do,
is
impact
behavior
and
and
I'm
not
so
focused
on
changing
how
officers
and
non
swarm
members
in
this
organization
feel
what
I
am
concerned
about,
and
what
I'm
committed
to
doing
is
changing
how
those
officers,
if
they're,
if
they're,
not
already
doing
it,
how
they
treat
others
despite
what
they
feel
and
if
they
don't
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
consequences,
make
sure
there's
some
accountability,
because
behavior
behavior
can
certainly
be
impacted.
In
from
from
my
position.
A
Thank
You
councilman
Robinson
I'm,
going
to
note
that
former
councilman
Dominic
isolario,
who
is
here
had
legislation
that
would
strengthen
the
CPR,
be
by
allowing
the
CPR
be
to
get
a
sense
of
officers
who
are
constantly
engaged
in
these
types
of
acts.
And
so,
as
a
body,
we
can
revisit
that
legislation
and
look
at
how
it
can
be
enhanced
and
hopefully
supported
by
the
for
Council.
Thank.
L
B
Thank
You
counsel,
counsel,
women,
love
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
it
is
in
that
policy,
but
I
tell
you
this
it
is
it
isn't.
It
is
a
violation
of
the
policy
to
disengage
that
policy
to
disengage
the
the
body
worn
camera
during
an
incident
without
without
some
sufficient
just
of
justification
for
doing
that.
So
there
is,
there
are
some
administrative
repercussions
that
could
flow
from
that.
Yes,.
H
H
I
said
I
believe
the
first
part
of
the
cultural
shift
has
started
because
an
officer
has
been
charged
as
a
result
of
putting
his
hands
on
a
minority
in
our
community,
which
I've
never
seen
that
in
my
life.
But
what
I
can
speak
to
is
I
know
a
number
of
minority
officers
that
have
been
fire
for
things
like
falsely
report
in
a
stolen
cell
phone,
and
what
what
bothers
me
is.
You
know
we
have
a
number
of
violations.
We
we
pointed
out.
H
We
pointed
out
that
someone
turned
off
their
body,
cam
and
I
believe
that
moving
forward.
This
is
a
teachable
moment
and
if
you
turn
off
your
body
cam,
while
a
police
officer
is
committing
a
crime
that
should
be
more
than
a
violation.
You
know
because
you're
tampering
you're
tampering
with
evidence
if
you
are
being
arrested
by
a
police
officer
and
you
try
to
destroy
the
evidence.
You're
gonna
be
charged
with
whatever
crime,
as
well
as
destroying
the
evidence.
H
A
A
Usin,
so
for
the
members
of
the
public
I
know
this
is
a
passionate
issue,
but
I'm
gonna.
Ask
that
you
hold
your
comments
until
public
comments
so
that
the
chief
can
hear
what
the
questions
and
comments
are
as
well.
As
so
I
know
it's
a
passionate
issue,
but
just
please
if
you
could
hold
your
peace
until
public
comment.
I
would
greatly
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
so.
H
So
in
this
situation
right
it
said
it
was
no
complaint
filed
so
number
one.
It
would
be
hard
for
the
three
people
to
file
a
complaint
because
they
were
charged
and
a
report
wasn't
generated.
It
was
disguised
as
charges
against
three
men.
Three
men
were
jumped
on.
If
I
saw
a
video
where
it
was
people
from
I,
say
my
community,
three
two
or
more
people
were
attacking
the
police
officer.
There
will
been
felony
charges
on
everybody
involved.
Now
it's
clear
to
the
nekkid
eye.
H
So
you
know
like,
as
a
black
man,
I've
had
dreams
that
you
know
I've
been
in
situations
where
I
see
somebody
that
I
know
and
love
in
that
situation
and
then
in
my
dream,
I
put
myself
in
harm's
way
and
intervening
because,
as
I
spoke
to
you,
the
next
day,
chief
I
was
at
a
loss
of
what,
as
a
person
to
do
when
they
see
their
loved
one.
You
know
when
we
had
a
public
meeting
on
this.
H
Someone
brought
up
that
that
person
showed
discipline
to
lay
on
the
floor
and
allow
himself
to
get
pounded
and
he
did
not
fight
back.
So
so.
For
me,
it's
troublesome
when
you
look
at
the
audacity
of
the
actions
that
were
taken
like
to
be
honest
with
me.
To
be
honest,
I
felt
like
that
man
was
on
some
type
of
drugs.
If
you
look
at,
if
you
slow
down-
and
you
just
watch
him,
he
wasn't
the
escalate
in
this
situation.
He
was
finishing
it.
A
H
You
for
facing
up
to
everything
that
comes
with
your
position.
I
haven't
seen
another
chief
that
comes
by
himself
and
faces
the
music,
so
you
know,
and
then
not
just
think
about.
If
you
look
at
the
al
azhar
Williams
and
then
you
look
at
when
chest
cams
were
introduced,
it
just
seemed
mighty
funny
that
all
of
a
sudden
everybody
want
to
retire.
H
So
you
know
like
an
attendant
in
the
in
the
last
and
and
I'm
gonna
finish
this
up.
The
last
thing.
Chief
I'm
one
hand
I
applaud
you
for
coming
and
facing
the
music
right,
but
we
you
introduce
good
police
officers.
Everybody
in
this
room
understands
that
it's
a
lot
of
great
police
officers
on
the
Albany
Police
Department,
but
you
diminish
yourself.
H
Just
another
incident
that
happened
in
our
community
another
thing
that
another
story
that
I'm
gonna
hear
that
when
I
have
to
deal
with
folks,
you
know
about
what
actually
goes
on
because
what's
putting
on
paper
was
put
on
paper
and
what
actually
goes
on
in
our
community
a
lot
of
times
as
two
different
stories
so
with
chest.
If
we
have
chest
cams
and
they're,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
system,
that's
gonna
catch!
H
B
All
right,
Thank,
You
councilman,
you
got
got
a
mouthful
there.
So
let
me
let
me
start
off
with
one
of
your
last
points
that
you
made,
and
you
talked
about
the
acknowledgment
of
police
officers
and
the
failure
to
acknowledge
and
the
folks
I
suspect,
you're
talking
about
the
folks
who
were
the
victims
in
these
crimes.
B
You
know
and
I
want
to
make
very
clear
to
our
community
and
to
counsel
that
my
message
to
the
community
that
I
disapproved
of
what
happened
that
evening
or
that
those
early
morning
hours
was
the
arrest
of
that
officer
who
committed
those
acts.
So
I
sent
that
message
and
I
sent
that
message
loud
and
clear.
B
Now,
when
we
talk
about
the
acknowledgement
of
police
officers,
you
know
no
councilman
I
I
say
that,
because,
as
the
CEO,
basically
of
a
56
million
dollar
organization
with
five
hundred
plus
people,
I've
got
to
make
sure
that
I
show
those
in
this
organization
who
are
doing
the
right
things
for
the
right
reasons
that
they
have
support,
that
they're
valued
know
that
they
have
a
voice
and
that
they
and
that
they
that
they
have
some
sort
of
that.
They
understand,
there's
an
impartial
'ti
with
with
leadership
in
this
organization.
B
I've
got
to
do
that,
because,
in
order
for
this
community
to
be
served
properly,
we
have
got
to
have
an
organization
of
individuals
who
who
feel
like
their
value,
who
know
it
who
treat
it
the
right
way
by
the
by
the
executives
in
the
in
the
department,
so
they
they
can
go
out
there
and
treat
others
the
same
way.
We've
seen
it
all.
We've
seen
we've
seen
all
kind
of
stuff.
You
know
you
don't
have
to
be
in
police
work
to
know
this
I
mean
you
can
be
in
any
any
sort
of
industry.
B
I
mean
all
the
studies
that
are
shown,
especially
all
of
the
contemporary
studies,
are
showing
that
that
that
people
in
an
organization
treat
those
that
they're
serving
the
way
they're
treated
within
that
organization.
I've
got
to
treat
these
people
right.
I've
got
to
treat
those
those
these
these
officers
in
this
department
who
are
doing
the
right
things
for
the
right
reason,
I've
got
it
I
got
it.
B
I've
got
to
tell
it
to
them:
I've
got
to
say
it
publicly
and
I've
got
to
support
them
publicly,
but
I've
also
got
to
make
sure
that
I'm
sending
a
message
that
if
we
have
many
individuals
in
this
organization
who
are
not
serving
appropriately,
who
are
committed,
committing
unlawful
acts
who
are
being
discourteous,
who
are
not
showing
empathy
that
there's
gonna
be
some
consequences
from
the
top
as
well
and
I
show
that
I've
shown
that
we
had.
We
had
an
officer
that
there
committed
an
unlawful
act.
That
officer
was
arrested.
B
We
don't
see
that
in
a
lot
of
work,
especially
in
a
lot
of
law
enforcement
agencies
around
this
country,
and
we've
got
two
others
right
now
who
are
who
are
suspended
without
pay
and
there's
in
there.
Still
a
criminal
review
of
all
of
the
officers
now
and
I
want
to
emphasize
this,
because
I
don't
want
I.
Don't
want
this
to
be
missed,
that
all
of
the
officers
who
were
at
the
scene
that
day
their
actions
are
being
reviewed,
both
criminally
and
Administrative
Lee.
B
And
so
you
mentioned
a
number
of
potential
infractions
and
I
agree
with
you
100%.
All
of
those
things
are
currently
under
review
now,
I,
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
agree
with
the
whatever
the
actual
consequences
that
the
actual
disposition
of
those
investigations
will
be
out.
I
don't
know,
but
what
I
can't
promise
you
and
the
council
and
come
in
the
community
is
that
all
of
the
actions
are
and
continued
to
be
under
review,
and
if
there
are
some
infractions,
then
there
will
be
some
consequences.
It's
just
at
that
point.
B
It's
just
what
will
be
the
level
of
the
response
to
those
infractions
and
the
pace
of
the
investigation
I.
You
know
I
I,
understand
that
I
understand
that.
There's
some
you
know
there's
some
questions.
We
want
to
get
this
thing
over
with,
but
I
think
that
we've
got
to
be
deliberate.
We've
got
to
be
methodical
with
this
we're
doing
with
you
know,
a
very,
very
serious
incident.
We
want
to
get
this
right,
we're
dealing
with
labor
unions
and
and
in
collective
bargaining
agreements.
B
We're
dealing
with
anytime
that
you
you,
you
have
some
sort
of
discipline
in
a
unionized
environment.
You've
got
to
make
sure
that
you're
looking
at
all
aspects
of
this
piece
of
it,
because
because
it
could
end
up
costing
the
city
money
down
the
line,
if
we're
not
very,
very
deliberate
and
very
buried
without
up
on
how
we're
doing
this
and
so
we're
getting
there,
but
we're
making
sure
that
they
were
doing
this
and
in
the
appropriate
at
an
appropriate
pace.
B
B
We
saw
this
and
hear
this.
This
is
the
the
extent
of
it
and
things
like
that.
We
didn't
get
that
we've
got.
We
got
an
anonymous,
a
very
obscure
video
that
that
led
us
to
look
even
deeper
into
this
and
start
looking
at
some
looking
at
all
of
the
body,
more
cameras
of
all
those
officers
and
that's
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
to
my
colleagues
who
still
have
questions
if
you
could
keep
it
to
one
question
so
that
we
can
allow
the
public
to
comment
and
if
you
have
additional
questions,
I
will
allow
that
opportunity.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
has
the
opportunity
before
people
start
leaving
to
have
to
be
able
to
speak.
J
J
J
B
Yes,
they
were,
they
were
initially
suspended
without
pay
and
I
went
into
effect
immediately
when,
when
that
order
was
given,
there
are
some
Union
stipulations
in
their
contract
that
allow
for
after
30
days,
however,
I
still
retain
the
option
of
keeping
those
officers
off
the
road.
So
at
this
point
my
position
is
the
Union.
B
M
Being
here
for
the
action
that
you've
taken
this
far
and
I'm
optimistic
because
the
investigation
is
continuing
at
this
point-
I'm
hopeful
that
additional
action
will
be
taken
based
upon
what
I
saw
on
the
tapes
I
agree
that
the
majority
of
our
police
officers
are
doing
a
great
job
and
they
know
how
to
treat
people
respectfully.
I
personally
know
many
that
I
can't
imagine
treating
people
the
way
I
saw
those
police
officers
treat
people
in
those
tapes,
I.
M
I'm
also
concerned
about
what
people
have
raised
about
the
fact
that
none
of
those
police
officers
reported
the
use
of
force
and
I,
don't
see
that
actually,
as
an
issue
with
communication,
I
see
that
as
a
core
issue,
with
a
lack
of
respect
for
the
policies
of
the
police
department,
for
the
leadership
of
the
police
department
and
for
the
rest
of
the
police
department.
That
is
more
than
a
little
bit
of
a
culture
change
that
also
needs
to
occur.
M
Why
don't
you
say
officer
Kimber,
but
councilmember
Kimbrough
commented
about
people
the
challenges
that
police
officers
experience
which
I
fully
understand,
also,
which
is
people
in
the
community
sometime
being
disrespectful
towards
them,
but
the
lack
of
reporting
those
incidents
when
that
is
a
requirement.
The
turning
off
of
those
cameras
is
showing
a
lack
of
respect
to
the
entire
police
department
in
every
person
in
it,
and
so,
and
you
had
talked
about.
M
The
way
people
are
treated
on
the
job
he's
also
going
to
be
reflected
in
the
way
that
they
treat
other
people
and
I
and
I.
Somehow,
rather,
I
think
that
that
is
mixed
up
in
this,
in
the
fact
that
so
many
police
officers
felt
absolutely
no
need
to
comply
with
the
policies
of
the
police
department.
I
also
want
to
say
that
I'm,
a
real
supporter
of
community
policing
but
I,
am
trying
to
Rack
my
brain
around
how
the
police
could
have
been
called
to
that
particular
address
over
50
times
and
somehow.
M
Rather,
the
community
engagement
process
did
not
allow
for
this
issue
to
be
resolved
long
before
March
16th,
and
that
the
mayor
was
actually
talking
about
her,
not
being
aware
of
this
being
an
issue.
We
were
not
aware
of
this
particular
property
being
an
issue
that
is,
in
my
opinion,
a
complete
failure
of
our
whole
community
policing
system,
because
that
you're
supposed
to
supposed
to
be
solving
problems
like
this
quality
of
life
problems
is
what
I'm
told
my
neighborhood
engagement
officer
is
supposed
to
be
addressing,
and
it
obviously
wasn't
addressed.
M
M
B
B
B
So
to
start
with,
we've
already
started
as
we
review
this
incident
and
as
we
reflected
we've,
we're
starting
a
sort
of
a
mini
task
force
involving
police
department,
personnel,
corporate
counsel,
DGS
codes,
where
we're
gonna
have
personnel
from
those
departments
that
are
going
to
be
meeting
on
a
bi-weekly
or
monthly
basis
to
just
share
information
about
some
of
these
nuisance,
complaints
and
and
whatever
it
may
be.
That
may
arise
to
something
that
requires
a
higher
higher
level
or
more
comprehensive
or
holistic
approach
to
resolving
those
issues.
B
So
they're
gonna
be
doing
that
and
it's
something
you're,
absolutely
right.
That
probably
should
have
been
done
a
long
time
ago.
We're
doing
that.
There
was
something
we
missed
something
here
because
you're
absolutely
right.
We
should
we
should
not.
We
should
not
have
had
so
many
complaints
at
that
place
without
having
a
more
comprehensive
approach
in
order
to
resolve
it.
We
should
have
resolved
that
issue
before
it
came
before
became
a
law
enforcement
issue,
yeah
absolutely
right
and
so-
and
we
acknowledge
that
and
we're
making
some
corrections
in
that
area.
B
But
I
will
say
to
that,
but,
prior
to
this
incident,
those
those
neighborhood
engagement
officers
and
even
some
of
those
road
officers
they
had
been
making
those
connections.
There
had
been
a
number
a
number
of
these
nuisance
type
complaints
that
happened
prior
to
this
one,
where
they
did
exactly
what
should
have
been
done.
Gotten
codes
involved
gotten
corporate
counsel
involved
and
we
did
what
was
necessary
to
shut
it
down
or
whatever
was
necessary
to
prevent
that
from
becoming
a
law
enforcement
incident.
So
the
system
is
not
totally
broken
because
we
had
been
doing
it.
B
It's
just
that
it
didn't
have
the
it
didn't,
have
the
it
wasn't
as
robust
as
it
should
have
been.
We
didn't
have
all
the
players
involved.
We
didn't
have
a
structure
that
was
more
sound
in
order
to
do
that,
and
so
when
you-
and
so
when
it's
not
when
you
don't
have
those
systems
that
are
that
are
strengthened
and
that
are
robust.
Like
that,
it's
been,
then,
enforcement,
a
sporadic.
You
do
great
things
with
some
four
or
five
of
them.
A
K
Chair
can
I
just
say:
I
didn't
know
that
the
chief
did
say
that
there
was
a
task
force
created
and
I
didn't
hear
that
any
of
the
council
members
were
a
part
of
that
task
force.
So
could
you
please
make
note
of
that
madam
chair,
and
see
how
we
can
get
a
council
member
involved
in
that
task
force?
Yes,.
A
N
Good
evening,
members
of
the
public
members
of
the
council,
my
name
of
course,
is
Marlon
Anderson.
A
community
advocate
2-14,
lark,
Street
Center
square
in
the
city
of
Albany
coming
forward
and
watching
this
process
of
observing
this
process
involving
myself
in
this
process.
I
want
to
say
again
it's
that
we're
taking
baby
steps
down
the
path,
but
any
step
forward
is
a
good
one.
I
want
to
thank
the
chief
for
coming
forward
as
he
has
been
doing,
and
stepping
into
the
eye
of
a
storm.
N
I
know
you
might
be
upset
at
me
now,
chief
for
supporting
your
appointment
now,
but
this
is
what
you
signed
on
for
so
I'm
glad
that
you're
doing
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
I,
like
this
direct
to
the
public
that
we
have
to
support
this
chief
and
his
efforts
to
make
change
because
of
we
don't
support
him
in
this
efforts
to
make
change
too
ingrained
and
traditional
status
quo
in
this
Police
Department.
He
is
not
going
to
get
support
from
the
people
he's
trying
to
make
change
with.
N
This
is
just
the
latest
in
a
series
of
incidents
that
demands
that
change
we
had
and
to
create
that
change.
While
we
have
been
focusing
on
the
police,
chief
and
a
police
department
to
make
change
about
that,
we
need
to
remember
understand
that
the
responsibility
for
true
change
and
the
responsibility
for
policing
the
police
is
in
this
chamber.
One
minute
you
police,
the
police,
you
make
the
laws
and
we
were
chastising
the
chief
about
the
policy.
N
I
mean
we
don't
need
to
see
another
father,
son
or
brother
suffer
because
there
is
no
legislation,
no
pursue
it's
time
to
make
a
change,
it's
time
to
shake
up
the
status
quo
and
it's
time
for
this
council
to
take
the
lead
and
do
that,
make
legislation
now
that
addresses
this
issue.
So
it
never
happens
in
this
city
again
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
efforts.
They
are
very
much
appreciated
and
I
know.
N
You
don't
hear
that
that
much
for
me,
but
your
efforts
that
you
guys
are
doing
them
very
much
appreciated
and
I
very
much
want
to
say
to
the
Councilwoman
I
very
much
appreciate
you
saying
what
hasn't
been
said
and
needs
to
be
set
in
this
city.
There's
an
issue
with
race
and
racism
in
the
city
of
Albany.
That
has
been
a
tradition.
Thank.
A
O
O
So
right
there,
the
outside
the
outlooks
that
we
get
just
from
being
this
color,
it's
already
saying
that
the
officers
have
to
stop
looking
at
it's
just
from
the
color
already
that's
saying
that
they
looking
at
us
in
a
bad
way,
just
cuz
of
the
color.
So
now
when
we
try
to
communicate
with
these
people,
they
downgrade
us,
because
we,
you
guys
might
say
a
word
that
we
never
heard
so
they
assume
that
now
they
look
down
on
us
just
because
you
using
the
word,
we
never
heard
don't
mean
we're
not
on
your
level.
O
You
understand
so
I
asked
that
we
all
get
looked
at
the
same,
no
matter
what
color,
gender
or
whoever
you
is
because
that's
what
the
justice
system
is
supposed
to
be.
It
got
five
fingers.
That's
why
God
gave
us
five
fingers
rules,
regulations,
policies,
procedures
and
laws
start
with
school
start
teaching
them.
So
we
can
know
so
when
they
say
everything
is
ruled
on
the
numbers.
So
when
they
say
section
3
to
subdivision
2,
a
a
a
black
minority,
don't
even
know
what
something
visit
to
a
means
you
understand.
O
So
when
people
beat
they're
beating
us
through
the
knowledge
of
going
about
addressing
these
type
of
issues,
so
just
by
us
starting
this
alone
and
me
someone
who
would
never
think
I'll
be
sitting,
but
voices
like
me
need
to
be
her.
I
had
three
brain
surgeries
so
for
me
sitting
here,
I'm
here
for
a
purpose.
God
got
me
here
to
come
in
to
speak
this
knowledge
that
he
gave
me
three
brain
surgeries.
They
don't
even
look
like
I
had
a
third
one
was
in
December
vote
seventeen.
So
for
me
to
sit
here
and
be
sitting.
O
O
Our
Exodus
questions
first
start
presenting
it
professionally.
That's
what
you
guys
agreed
to
when
you
may
commence
it
right,
so
now
start
making
sure
they
perform
that
way,
because
that's
just
like
a
mom
yelling
at
a
kid.
No,
sometimes
you
got
to
talk
to
the
kid
you
know
I
mean
then
the
situation
is.
The
results
are
different,
so
start
doing
some
different
things.
You
get
different
response.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
P
P
We
need
continued
accountability
and
follow-through
racism.
It
is
imperative
that
racism,
discrimination
and
inequities
in
Albany
need
to
be
addressed,
and
this
also
includes
the
Albany
Police
Department
I
just
want
to
just
make
a
couple
of
comments
about
some
things.
I
heard
one
of
the
things
spoken
about
was
overtime
and
mandates
in
regards
to
the
police
officers.
Well,
I'm,
a
well-trained
nervous
been
a
nursing
for
a
long
time.
I
worked
over
time.
The
mandated
work,
16
18
hours
straight
still
returned
to
work.
I
mean
kid.
P
P
So
talking
about
overtime,
we
all
do
that
man
Dacian
I,
understand
that,
but
there's
no
excuse
for
the
treatment
that
folks
received.
One
other
comment
was
our
chief
had
mentioned
initially
that
the
system
is
not
broken.
I
think
this
is
clear
evidence
that
the
system
is
broken
and
Commission
on
Human
Rights
is
here
and
willing,
and
really
anticipating
working
with
the
Common
Council
and
the
chief
as
well
chief
I
support
you.
You
know
that
we're
here
ready
to
work
to
bring
about
a
positive
change
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
your
great
comments.
Q
Child
zobar
robinson
4:04,
Livingston
Avenue,
lifelong
resident,
Albany,
New
York.
First
of
all,
I
like
to
thank
every
common
council
member
here
tonight.
Your
questions
blew
my
mind.
I
was
not
expecting
what
came
out
of
each
one
of
your
mouths
is
really
excited
me.
He
gave
me
hope
about
the
future
of
Albany
the
questions
that
each
one
of
you
posed
the
day.
I
don't
have
to
pose
any
questions
right
now.
Q
We
have
to
take
a
deep
breath
and
pause
for
a
minute
and
understand
that
America
was
built
on
black
and
white,
no
matter
how
it
was
built,
a
foundation
in
life.
The
foundation
of
America
is
black
and
white
in
an
understanding
that
the
foundation
of
America
is
black
and
white.
America
has
to
be
honest
about
that
foundation
and
tell
the
truth
to
the
world
that
the
first
black
man
that
was
ever
lynched
on
American
soil
was
lynched
in
Albany
New
York.
He
wasn't
lynched
in
the
South
the
south
learned
from
us.
Q
A
Q
This
is
docket
all
this
is
just
true
and
until
we
understand-
and
it
took
that
that
that
that
is
black
and
white,
this
is
2019
it's
black
and
white,
and
we
have
to
connect
in
some
way
shape
or
form
in
order
to
plan
a
better
see
for
tomorrow,
but
it
all
begins
in
Albany
New
York,
and
we
have
to
start
telling
the
truth
about
actual
events
in
history.
That
begin
here
in
Albany,
then
maybe
some
people
in
other
parts
of
the
country
and
understand
what's
happening
in
their
life
but
the
beginning
of
slavery.
Q
It
all
began
here.
Yes,
it
was
sudden
on
the
internet
the
other
day
that
that
disc
our
mansion
sent
sent
out
they
looking
for
they
would
they
sent
out
a
memo
looking
for
slaves
in
order
to
participate
in
the
reincarnation
of
the
Pinkster
vests
and
as
I
was
reading,
that
I
notice
again,
they
were
taking
credit
saying
that
Dutch
came
up
with
the
ideal
of
the
pynx
defense.
Once
again,
no
it's
an
African
tradition
that
been
existing
before
you
even
got
here.
A
A
R
By
letting
you
know,
chief
I'm,
not
Hawkins,
I'm,
very
disturbed
by
a
few
of
your
comments,
I'd
like
to
have
a
dialogue
with
you.
However,
this
is
an
inappropriate
forum,
because
there
is
no
dialogue
for
the
public
comment.
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
have
an
exchange,
but
that's
not
possible.
The
first
thing
that
I'd
like
to
address
is
this:
the
you
said
disapproval
you,
you
express
disapproval
of
your
officers.
You
you
address
the
issue
of
that
this.
R
R
I'd
like
to
ask:
what's
the
percentage
of
the
people
on
your
force
of
whom
have
practice
law,
because
in
essence,
what
they're
doing
when
they're
charging
people
with
things
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
percentage
of
the
the
complaints
of
which
are
issued,
whereby
the
DA
or
a
DA
is
not
is
called.
What
I
would
reckon
to
think
based
on
my
ride-alongs,
that
very
few
of
those
calls
are
made
so
therefore,
these
officers
are
practicing
law
without
any
educational
background,
that's
relevant
to
the
circumstances.
This
is
wrong.
R
There
are
a
lot
of
people,
who've
studied
law
of
whom
are
out
of
work,
and
you
know
that
everyone
knows
that
okay,
so
it's
even
no
one
even
wants
to
go
anymore,
because
it's
a
total.
It's
a
total
sham
I'd
like
you
to
know
that
there
will
never
be
changed
because
the
only
change
in
this
country,
because
of
the
the
law
being
based
in
precedent
and
it
being
based
on
how
long
you
can
stay
in
the
courtroom,
pay
to
stay
in
the
courtroom.
R
That's
the
basis
of
of
the
decisions
which
are
made,
the
the
blacks,
the
poor,
black
and
white,
equally
I
think
are
equally
oppressed
because
of
the
design
of
the
system.
The
design
is
it's
a
pyramid
scheme,
if
you,
for
example,
if
you,
if
you
don't
own
an
apartment,
if
you
don't
own
a
house
you're
paying
about
at
least
three
times
more
to
be
generous
and
you're,
and
you
have
ten
times
the
quality
of
life
than
someone
who's
renting,
who
is
working?
R
R
Forget
about
that,
the
people
of
whom
owned
the
publishing
companies
they're
going
to
say
whatever
the
people
whom
buy
the
books
want
them
to
say,
that's
the
bottom
line
Marlon
he
left.
We
need
to
shake
up
the
status
quo
to
support
the
chief
system
is
based
on
oppressing
the
weak
because
they're
disenfranchised,
and
this
is
why
the
poor
will
never
be
able
to
play
because
the
poor
are
going
to
in
essence,
get
more
poor
and
more
poor
and
more
poor.
R
One
of
the
greatest
examples
is
I'm
not
sure
about
the
actual
number,
but
I
believe
that
food
stamps
hasn't
been
raised
in
any
significant
way
in
at
least
10
years.
Meanwhile,
the
stock
market
is
going
up
and
up
and
up-
and
why
is
this
because
we
let
people
in
we
play
this
little
game,
we'll?
Let
you
in
okay
and
then
we'll
foreclose
on
your
house.
S
S
S
Dad
had
just
reflected
quote
bad
apples
because
or
just
reflected
a
communication
breakdown
I
mean,
as
has
been
noted
and
I,
really
just
want
to
emphasize
what
some
of
you
have
already
said.
What
is
visible
on
that
video
could
not
have
occurred
if
this
was
not
normal
behavior
on
the
part
of
Albany
police
officers
and
behavior
that
the
officers
who
were
present
knew
that
they
could
engage
in
and
could
engage
in,
they
thought
with
impunity
and
without
any
accountability.
Otherwise
there
is
no
other
way
to
interpret
10
11
12.
S
However,
many
officers
were
there
doing
what
they
did
seeing
what
they
saw
writing
reports
that
were
false,
failing
to
submit
reports
period
that
should
have
been
submitted
regarding
use
of
force
failing
to
report
criminal
actions
by
other
officers.
There
is
no
way
to
interpret
that
other
than
that.
This
was
just
very
ordinary.
This
was
an
ordinary
event
as
far
as
they
were
concerned,
one.
A
S
Thank
you,
and
so
we
can't
go
forward
without
recognizing
that
that
this
was
they
believed
an
ordinary
normal
event
and
that
their
and
their
conduct
was
ordinary
normal,
and
so
it
will
take
much
more
than
a
little
bit
of
retraining
and
it
certainly
will
take
more
than
one
officer
being
criminally
charged
and
three
officers
being
suspended
because
they
were
10,
11
or
12
officers.
There,
and
at
least
all
of
those
officers
need
to
be
held
accountable
so
that
you
know
I
know
the
time
is
up.
S
The
time
is
short
tonight
for
public
comment
which
I,
which
I
understand,
but
I,
urged
the
council
to
hold
fast,
to
keep
asking
questions
and
to
keep
insisting
that
the
answers
that
take
the
tone
of
this
was
an
aberration
are
just
not
acceptable
answers.
Much
more
needs
to
be
done,
and
we,
those
of
us
who
live
in
Albany,
really
are
depending
on
you
to
do
this,
there's
no
one
else.
Who
can
do
this
other
than
the
members
of
the
council
and
we're
depending
on
you
to
do
this?
Thank
you.
Thank.
T
I,
do
it
Benjamin
Quentin
from
all
I
live
in
rigidly
right
now,
54
Pine
Street
usually
live
in
Albany
I'm.
Speaking
of
for
all
the
people,
that's
locked
up
that
couldn't
speak
for
themself
that
has
been
going
through
situations
with
the
opening
Police
Department.
It's
not
it's.
Not
only
the
playing
I
mean
the
black
and
white
police.
It's
also
the
detectives
that
treat
people
like
savages.
T
They
go
into
people
house
and
do
what
they
want
to
so
right
now,
I'm
free
on
$75,000,
bail,
I,
call
it
the
more
I
call
it
March
Madness,
because
that's
what
the
police
was,
the
police
department.
It
was
on
of
March.
They
was
doing
with
every
day.
Phil
was
accountable
today
itself
and
not
worried
about
no
one
else
and
the
body
cam
plays
the
whole
part
in
a
lot
of
situations.
I
was
arrested
and
the
police
officer
said
they
turned
off
their
body
cams.
T
When
I.
When
I
went
to
my
preliminary,
they
said
they
cut
off
the
body
cams.
So
if
they're
not
doing
that,
they're
doing
that,
the
detectives
is
also
doing
it
too.
That's
my
main
fight.
The
blue
and
whites
are
acting
like
detectives,
they
cannot
be
policing
the
community
and
the
community
is
scared
of
the
police.
They
police,
the
community
like
gang
members
when
they
grab
when
they
talk
to
a
person
they
are,
they
are
own,
they
grab
them
aggressively
automatically.
T
So
I
speak
for
the
people
that
can
speak
for
yourself
I'm,
currently
in
a
situation
with
the
Albany
Police
Department,
because
of
the
dirty
Task
Force
officers
that
work
for
all
police
department
do
what
they
want
to
it
at
any
time
you
feel
like
it.
You
don't
have
to
be
right
to
them.
You
always
wrong.
A
U
Thank
you
and
thank
the
committee
for
having
this
meeting
I.
Just
to
think
doctor
players
mentioned
a
piece
of
legislation
I
had
in
many
years
ago.
I
was
very
simple.
It
was
just
that
the
see
the
civilian
police
Review
Board
would
know
if
an
officer
had
more
than
one
complaint
and
they
don't
get
the
officer's
name.
It
was
just
simply
that
officer
X
if
he
had
five
complaints.
U
The
civil
CPR
be
wouldn't
know
that
what
that
up
was
when
I
used
to
go
to
CPR
be
hearings
many
times
you
would
hear
from
the
police
department
side
that
the
person
making
a
complaint
had
issues
with
the
police
they've
been
arrested.
They
had
run-ins
with
the
police,
but
you
never
heard
from
the
other
side
so
on
they
put
that
bill
in
back
then
was
to
try
to
even
out
the
playing
field.
We
had
a
verbal
agreement
with
the
chief
Worf
at
the
time
that
they
would
stop
having
the
history
of
the
complainants
brought
up.
U
You
know,
but
but
I
couldn't
get
the
bill
passed.
I'm
there
was
enough
backbone
in
the
council
and
I
was
here.
The
council
members,
then,
were
afraid
of
the
police
union,
afraid
of
police
officers
I.
Believe
now,
since
there's
been
two
election
cycles
since
I
retired.
That
I
believe
this
council
today
would
pass
that
bill,
probably
passed
with
no
problems
at
all.
That's
a
very
simple
thing:
it
would
help
the
CPR
be
out
and
you
need
to
have
know
the
pattern.
You
always
told
her.
U
Please
diplomat
in
to
know
you
know
warning
systems,
but
it
didn't.
Do
anybody
any
good
if
nobody
else
knew
about
it,
so
hopefully
we
can
bring
that
bill
back
up,
someone
can
introduce
it
and
the
CPR
be,
would
know
and
office
hasn't
clean
against
them.
That
just
might
be
the
fifth
one.
The
other
side
of
the
coin
was,
it
might
be
officer.
U
15
years
on,
the
force
never
had
a
complaint,
and
now
they
have
one
maybe
was
just
one
bad
day
that
day
and
that
should
be
taken
into
consideration
also,
but
the
pattern
needs
to
be
there
so
I'm.
Hopefully
you
will
be
back
up
and
the
other
thing
when
dr.
plays
is
talking
about
racism
is
the
issue
she's
right
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
little
answer.
Antidote
when
dr.
plays
was
can't
candidate,
who
plays
the
first
time
she
was
driving.
I
was
in
the
car
with
her
we're
driving
up
a
second
Avenue.
The
car
got
stopped.
U
I've
lived
this
neighborhood
now
33
years,
so
back
then,
was
about
27
years.
Never
got
stopped
in
my
life.
Wait
male
driving
suck
any
of
you
I'm
driving
with
Dorsey.
We
get
stopped.
They
told
us
well
we're
just
checking
inspections
and
registrations.
The
thing
was
about
five:
were
police
officers,
they
were
they
didn't
where's.
The
inspection
sticker
registration
sticker
send
a
driver's
side
left
side,
lower
window
I
had
officers
I'm
I'm
in
the
passenger
side.
U
My
side
of
the
car,
looking
through
the
window,
I
open
up
to
I,
never
told
you
his
story,
but
I
was
very
upset
when
you
got
me
home
a
day
after
that,
stop
I
went
to
my
wife.
It's
I
can't
believe
we
we
stopped,
and
this
happened.
I
opened
up
my
window,
the
cop
recognized
me,
and
he
saw
we're
just
checking.
Inspection
of
the
registrations
home
I
said:
I've
been
checked
for
registrations
in
New,
Jersey
and
Massachusetts.
U
Never
haven't
want
us
to
go
to
the
other
side
of
the
car
and
look
through
the
window
to
check
a
registration
and
an
inspection
sticker,
so
I'm
driving
in
a
car
with
a
woman
of
color
and
we
get
stopped
I've
never
been
stopped
since
now
this
is
seven
years
later
still
haven't
been
stopped,
since
so
I
just
to
say,
doctor
players,
I
believe
you're
right.
It's
a
racist
racism
issue
more
than
you
know
culture,
but
it
definitely
is
a
racism
issue,
and
that
needs
to
be
addressed
from
the
day.
One
of
the
training.
A
A
A
So
that
concludes
our
public
comment.
I
would
like
to
give
chief
Hawkins
the
opportunity,
if
you
have
anything
additional.
You
would
like
to
say
before
we
conclude
the
meeting
I
want
to
give
you
that
opportunity
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
a
member
of
the
public
who
had
to
leave
had
a
question
or
a
comment
about
wrongful
convictions
and
wanted
to
know.
A
B
Right
and
thank
you,
a
chairman,
a
fleurs
and
again
thank
you
for
holding
this
this,
this
forum,
I,
think
the
the
timing
was
right
and
I
think
the
the
topic
was
absolutely
appropriate
and
I
appreciate
that
comments.
That
I
heard
today
from
the
Common
Council
members,
as
well
as
from
the
members
of
the
community
I'm
optimistic
as
we
move
forward,
because
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I
heard
from
our
community
members
and
from
our
Common
Council
are
things
that
that
are
that
are
very
very.
B
There
are
hope,
with
great
value,
also
and
things
that
that
moving
forward
I
think
that
we
can,
that
we
can,
we
can
work
together.
We
can
work
together
to
kind
of
get
through
some
of
these
things
and-
and
lastly,
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
vitally
important
that
my
police
officers
and
our
members
of
our
community
continue
working
together,
especially
during
this
critical
time,
the
RIC
there
we
were
coming
to
it
within
these
next
few
weeks,
we're
saying
the
same
things
we
feel
the
same
thing.
B
There's
a
lot
of
emotion.
There's
a
lot
of
frustration.
There's
a
lot
of
concern.
There's
a
lot
of
anger
and
I
fill
it
and
I
understand
it,
and
I
really
am
ready
to
service
that
liaison
between
my
officers
and
the
members
of
our
community
as
we
move
forward
during
the
summer
season.
So
thank
you
and
look
forward
to
working
me
think
we
went
forward.