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Description
The Committee interviewed candidates for the City of Albany Violence Prevention Task Force.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
wednesday
december
9th
meeting
of
the
public
safety
committee
at
all.
The
common
council
tonight
we'll
be
meeting
to
interview
applicants
for
the
violence
prevention
task
force
for
the
record
committee
members,
mr
igo
ballerin
myself,
mr
hoey
council
members,
robinson
johnson
flynn
are
also
here
along
with
staff,
john
raphael
ricciardo
and
michelle
andre
did.
I
miss
anything.
No.
So
oh
okay
and
our
final
member
of
our
committee,
sean
frederick,
has
also
joined
us.
B
Along
with
council
member,
usually
so
we
are
going
to
do
these
interviews
to
add
applicants
to
this
violence
group
prevention
task
force.
The
thing
is
that
the
equity
agenda's
not
clear
on
something,
so
we
we
have
to
make
a
determination
on
the
number
of
members.
B
At
this
point
we
we
have
what
17
or
16
applicants
or
17
applicants
and,
of
course,
of
course,
being
mindful
of
the
fact
that
we
need
a
a
young
person,
a
clergy.
We
try
to
get
excuse
me.
We,
the
police
department
person,
is
going
to
be.
We
have
someone
for
that,
so
they're
in
there
and
they're
not
included
in
the
in
the
numbers
and
someone
from
the
mayor's
office.
B
Excuse
me,
brian
shay,
from
the
mayor's
office
and
sergeant
vince
thompson
from
albany
police
department,
so
numbers
wise.
I
mean
we
don't
want
it
to
get
out
of
hand.
We
wanted
to
be
manageable.
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
do
the
work
so.
C
Kelly,
well,
you
know
in
the
description
of
it.
Okay,
it
says
community
members
from
wards
disproportionately
impacted
by
violence
now
on
looking
at
all
the
resumes,
a
lot
of
people
don't
put
addresses
down
and
some
from
outside
the
city.
So
I
don't
know
you
know
what
we
should
do
about
that.
If
we
don't
have
some
good
members,
maybe
we
reach
out,
but
I
think
we
should
stick
with
you
know.
What's
called
for.
B
Right
right
and-
and
I
I
agree
with
that,
and
and
so
we
were
with
myself
and
and
staff
and
some
other
council
members-
we've
had
conversations
around
this
issue
of
impacted
neighborhoods.
If
you
look
at
the
data
now
this
year,
for
with
the
shootings-
and
all
I
mean
it's,
it's
pretty
widespread,
so
it
covers
a
lot
of
ground.
It's
not
the
typical,
typically
they're.
B
You
know
it's,
it's
the
lower
third,
fourth,
first,
second,
third,
fourth,
fifth,
the
lower
awards
that
typically
experience
the
most
issues,
but
that
that's
my
goal
or
my
my
feeling
would
be
to
concentrate
on
those
areas.
However,
with
that
being
said,
the
applications
we
have
right
now
are
what
we
have.
The
thing
is
I'd
really
like
to
get
going
on
this
and
then,
if
we
have
to
retool
and
and
adjust,
we
can
do
that.
C
B
Any
other
members
comments.
I
don't.
C
D
Have
an
object,
oh
sorry,
yup
last
time
when
the
violence
task
force
was
instituted,
how
many
members
were
there
and
my
second
question?
My
second
is
the
statement
more.
So
there
are
individuals
who
don't
live
in
the
city
of
albany
or
live
in
those
communities,
but
they
are
in
those
communities.
You
know
eight
hours
after
the
way,
so
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
that.
D
You
know
there
are
some
people
who
are
working
with
the,
whether
it's
the
boys
or
girls
club
or
the
ymca,
or
has
some
type
of
stake
in
the
city
of
albany
that
don't
live
in
the
city,
but
work
with
the
communities
that
have
been
plagued
with
violence
over
the
past
couple
of
months.
So
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
that,
and
my
next
question
is
just
more
so
of
how
many
people
were
instituted
last
time
when
we
had
the
anti
violence
task
force.
C
Right
kelly,
the
first
meeting
we
had
in
the
chambers
was,
you
called,
I
believe
it
was
the
public
safety
committee,
but
then
whoever
could
fit
in
the
chambers.
Is
that
the
meeting
we're
talking
about?
I
mean
it
was
packed.
B
B
Oh
yeah,
the
2019
yeah
it
was,
it
was
public.
Safety
was
the
stakeholders,
it
was
like
2019,
2018
or
2019
after
the
summer
of
violence
or
we're.
B
Right,
right
and
and
and
that
never
turned
into
a
formal
task
force,
it
was
just
a
group
of
concerned
citizens
and
and
stakeholders
that
wanted
to
make
things
better
and
improve
violence.
We
did
reach
out
to
all
of
those
folks,
along
with.
F
B
A
Other
I'll
just
have
a
quick
question
as
well.
Did
any
youth
apply
for
the
violence
prevention
task
force,
or
has
you
reached
out
to.
E
I'm
not
sure
because
there's
no,
we
don't
have
like
a
date
of
birth
on
applications.
We
just
got
a
cover
letter
of
resume,
so
that's
something
we're
gonna
have
to
view
as
we
interview
individuals
today
and
tomorrow,
but
I'm
not
sure
right.
B
And
right,
and
what
what
I
would
say
just
based
on
what
we
end
up
with
going
through
this,
but
also
like
members,
I
mean
mr
robertson,
you
with
your
with
your
church
and
us.
We
all
have
connections
where
we
could.
We
could
really
be
tapping
into
the
youth.
That
way
I
mean
some
won't
some
of
the
kids
that
we
really
want
to
be
a
part
of
this.
B
I
I
got
a
sense
that
they
wouldn't
be
necessarily
in
want
to
be
involved
with
it,
but
I
I
think
we
can
all
do
our
part
to
try
to.
B
B
I
think
it's
your
connection,
joe,
so
so
with
that,
let's,
let's
did.
G
Tom
howie
kelly
yep,
do
you
guys
I
had?
I
had
a
couple
of
comments.
My
first
comment
is,
I
know
when
you
said
well,
the
lower
warts,
but
I
think
whatever
plan
we
come
up
with
should
be
able
to
fold
out
to
the
rest
of
the
city
because
we
have,
we
do
have
a
population,
that's
that
moves
from
one
part
of
albany
to
another.
So
I
just
don't
want
to.
You
know
pinpoint
the
downtown
area.
The
other
thing
is
with
getting
young
people
involved.
G
B
Yeah
and
so
tom,
I
think
I
misspoke,
or
I
wasn't
clear
when
I
mentioned
the
lower
awards.
I
just
my
thought
was
that
the
ten,
when
you
look
at
the
the
most
affected
impacted
neighborhoods,
the
lower
wards
are
that
that's
what
that
was
what
I
meant.
I
didn't
mean
we're
excluding
our
isolatedness
to
just
those
words,
I'm
saying
that's
where.
G
B
Now
but
yet
but
but
it
would
because
it
says,
most
impacted.
So
if
two
years
from
now
one
of
the
other
neighborhoods
is
that
impacted
neighborhood,
this
would
apply
so
it
would
shift
with
with
any
issues
that
we
might
have
in
terms
of
violence
and
also
remember
we're
kind
of
trying
to
look
at
this
through
a
an
equity
lens.
This
is
a
part
of
the
equity
agenda,
so
that's
how
the
focus
got
on
those
neighborhoods.
E
And
the
term
is
set
for
two
years.
I
believe
on
application,
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
for
now.
It's
not
clear
on
the
equity
agenda,
but
the
decision
was
to
make
it
for
this
task
force
to
be
done
for
two
years.
E
I
Yeah
and
when
it
comes
to
the
impacts
of
the
wards,
the
the
the
common
council
has
the
opportunity
to
reassess
every
so
often
of
what's
considered
and
most
impacted
ward,
because
the
language
is
broad
enough
for
that.
F
Thank
you
and
if
I
could
just
add
I
would
you
know,
I
don't
wish
this
that
you
know
other
wars
to
be
in
the
position
that
our
wards
are
in,
but
it
would
feel
a
little
different
if
every
time
that
this
equity
agenda
comes
up-
and
we
start
talking
about
things
that
need
to
be
addressed-
that
you
know
on
the
upper
wards,
the
conversation
doesn't
switch
to
the
upper
wards.
F
The
the
the
the
fact
that
you
know
this
equity
agenda
even
has
to
be
brought
up,
shows
that
you
know
there
are
things
happening
in
parts
of
the
city
that
have
been
ignored
for
a
long
time
and
we
we,
we
have
to
be
able
to
have
these
conversations
without
people
feeling
like
you
know
they
have
to
invoke.
You
know
their
territory,
because
you
know
what
that's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
lower
wards.
F
That
would
love
to
have
the
luxuries
that
you
know
that
that
that
exists
in
the
upper
wards
and-
and
you
know
that's
just
a
point-
that's
a
fact.
G
G
So
believe
me,
I'm
not
just
saying
the
15th
ward,
we
have
no
crime,
but
I'm
worried
about
like
the
10th,
the
11th
stuff,
like
that
as
people
shift
and
they
will
shift
because
nobody
wants
to
be
in
a
crime-ridden
area
and
they're
going
to
move
out,
but
unfortunately
the
crime
will
probably
move
with
them.
I
mean
that's
just
a
fact.
Also.
J
Well,
I'm
also
pretty
sure
that
police
data
will
drive
our
conversation
on
that
are
disproportionately
impacted.
So
I
think
that's
one
thing
we
have
to
look
at
as
well.
K
Yeah,
I
was
also
going
to
say
wall
lines
are
going
to
change
and
shift
in
two
years.
So
you
know
the
11th
ward
is
not
what
the
11th
world
was
12
years
ago.
You
know
what
were
different:
different,
different
demographics
and
different.
We
have
different
challenges
than
we
did.
You
know,
then
how
the
lines
were
drawn.
K
You
know
10
12
years
ago,
so
I
I
think
I
think
you
know
the
fact
that
you
know
data
will
show
where
the
impact
is
needed
and
where
the
you
know,
attention
is
needed.
You
know
no
matter
what
world,
whether
it's
the
11th
today
and
you
know
the
12th
tomorrow
or
you
know
the
fifth
today
and
the
11th
tomorrow.
K
You
know
the
area
that
that
is
being
in
that
scene.
The
most
pain
is
the
area.
You
know
we
we
should
be
focusing
on.
A
B
Yeah
and
so
okay,
so
so
now
did
you
want
to
add
anything,
miss
frederick
or.
L
Just
just
a
question
on
my
part,
so
if
we
go
through
the
interviews
between
today
and
tomorrow-
and
we
find
you
know
qualified
candidates
that
we'd
like
to
bring
on
board
but
say,
there's
still
something
missing
right
if
we're
missing
a
representation
from
a
certain
whether
it's
area
or
certain
certain
demographic
we're
looking
to
hit
to
bring
it
full
circle,
what
are
our
options
then?
Like?
Would
we
have
the
ability
to
extend
application
again,
or
would
we
sort
of
put
pause
after
these
two
days.
B
I
think
I'd
like
to
actually
try
to
continue
moving
forward,
so
if
we,
if
there
was
other
work
to
do
or
folks
to
add,
I
think
we
could
get
started
and
then,
whether
it's
reissue
and
rfp
or
or
however,
we
decide
to
do
it
to
add
additional
folks.
But
I
think
we
at
this
point.
We
really
need
to
move
forward.
B
Okay
and
so
numbers
wise
committee
members,
your
thoughts
on
it.
B
B
Because
that'll
be
them
and
then
there's
at
least
two
others
from
other,
and
the
thing
is
we
could
we
could
have
a
core
group
of
12
and
then
allow
for
the
the
ones
the
folks
that
are
spelled
out
in
in
the
in
the
legislation
to
be
add-ons
or
additional.
So
we
get
a
clergy
to
add
and
we
have
the
person
from
the
mayor's
office
in
the
police
department,
so
they
could
be
in
addition
to
the
12.
B
right
I
mean,
and
and
also
it
says,
that
members
of
the
public
safety
committee
I
mean,
is
that
one
member?
Are
we
all
considered
a
part
of
it,
so
that
I
mean
those
are
things
we
needed
to
talk
about?
But
at
this
point
we'll,
I
guess
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
I
was.
K
Going
to
say,
I
guess
the
number
we
need
to
figure
out
is
what
number
from
the
public,
because
that's
who
we're
interviewing
now
it's
how
many
numbers?
What
number
do
we
want
to
have
from
the
public
and
the
rest
of
the
you
know,
governmental
agencies
and
and
other
individuals?
You
know
part
of
it.
B
B
So
I
say
I
say:
okay
with
12.,
I
mean
12,
I'm
okay
with
12.
and
then
and
of
course,
with
boards
and
groups
like
this.
You
talk
about
having
an
odd
number
for
for
votes
and
stuff.
Like
that,
I
don't
think
that'll
be
an
issue
and
it's,
I
don't
think
it's
that
kind
of
committee
or
task
force
where
you
we're
going
to
be
battling
that
issue.
So
if
it's
12
or
13
it's
you
know,
I
don't.
I
kelly.
B
I
G
So
kelly,
it's
tom
howie
and
I
I
don't.
I
can't
see
the
screen
so
I
apologize
for
jumping
in.
Do
you
gotta?
Can
I
make
a
comment?
Yes,
yes,
sir
yeah,
I
think
12
is
good.
What
I'd
like
to
see,
though-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
thought-
if
somebody
doesn't
show
up
to
all
the
meetings,
can
they
be
and
what
the
perceived
procedure
to
remove
them
from
the
committee
and
replace
them?
G
I
think
that's
important,
especially
with
something
as
critical
as
this,
so
I
don't
know
if
there
was
thought
on
that
or
not
so.
Thank
you.
I
There's
other
sections
of
the
code
that
determine
that.
B
Right
and
yeah,
and
then
richard
actually
had
introduced
something
recently
when
with
regard
to
removing
folks
for
cause
or
what
have
you
from
our
boards
and
in
commissions,
because
we
were
having
some
issues.
So
I
think
that
would
cover
it.
C
K
A
C
C
B
You
have
just
questions
yeah,
yeah
and
kind
of
like
the
the
cpr,
because
I
I'll
start
with
you
know
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force.
J
Can
I
just
add
something
I
think
just
on
the
number
of
people.
I
believe
that
12
is
too
many.
I
think
when
you're
talking
about
groups
that
need
to
make
you
know,
decisions
and
groups
that
need
to
bring.
J
B
Okay,
any
any
any
thoughts
on
that
and
again
this
will.
J
I
That's
what
that's
a
little
problematic,
because
the
the
entire
public
safety
committee
is
part
of
it,
and
then
you
have
the
mayor,
the
chief
of
police,
the
mayor
appoints
you
to
then,
and
then
it
cuts
out
some
of
the
other
people.
So,
according
to
the
code
it
seems
like
seven
is
two
seven
would
be
it's
the
basically.
I
The
code
has
a
minimum
already
set
because
of
all
the
committee
members
or
of
the
public
safety
committee
already
on
it
and
then
there's
a
mayoral
appointee
and
then
there's
the
chief
of
police
and
then
you
have
the
members,
the
the
the
clergymen
and
the
youth
and
then
the
representatives
from
the
just
disproportionately
impacted
wards,
so
seven
would
actually
be
too
small.
I
J
B
13
12
or
13
committee
members.
C
I
I
would
just
I
just
would
recommend
an
odd
number
just
because
it
because
again,
once
the
point
of
this
this,
this
task
force
is
really
to
and
I'm
reading
it
from
the
code
as
it
says
it.
The
task
force
every
fall
to
develop
action
items
in
preparation
for
the
upcoming
summer,
anticipation
of
an
uptick
combined.
I
So
it's
they're
they're
they're
a
little
bit
limited
in
what
they're
going
to
do.
But
the
one
major
thing
is
that
funding
will
be
allocated
annually
to
violence,
prevention,
programming
and
initiatives
and
wards
with
the
highest
incidence
and
prevalence
of
violence.
The
funding
will
be
allocated
based
on
prioritization
through
a
community
participation,
participatory
budget
process,
so
their
their
their
role
in
making
decisions
is
really
just
coming
up
with
items
and
recommendations.
B
Okay,
so
would
I'm
sorry.
E
K
E
Yeah
about
nine
we
have
so
we
have
the,
I
believe,
four
representative
representatives
and
then
that's
included
with
the
youth
person.
And
then
we
have
five
members
of
the
public
safety.
So
nine.
E
No
no,
but
it's
part
of
the
represent.
You
know.
I
Yeah
with
just
with
just
just
on
based
on
like
elected
officials,
so
there's
five
elected
officials
from
the
common
council
for
on
the
public
safety
committee,
a
representative
from
the
mayor
represented
from
apd
and
then
somebody
from
the
city
school
district.
That's
eight!
That's
eight
government
entity,
people!
Okay,
then.
K
I
would
agree
with
jamal.
We
should
have
at
least
seven
from
the
public,
if
not
nine,
if
we
wanna
go
with
an
odd
number
just
because
and
that
now
now
we're
talking
about
a
huge
group
now
you're
talking
about
15
now
yeah,
I
I
I
I
totally
understand
I
was
talking
about
a
huge
group,
but
there's
a
lot
of
governmental
individuals.
That
already
have
a
say.
K
You
know
this
to
my
my
thought
is
that
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
venue
for
those
who
are
not
in
a
position.
You
know
you
know
like
I
was.
You
know
to
have
a
venue
to
be
able
to
have
a
say
in
in
how
we
try
to
address
some
of
these
issues.
So
you
know
I.
I
think
they
should
have
at
least
the
equal
amount
as
governmental
or
one
more.
K
You
know,
but
I
just
don't
want
it
to
be
a
government
committee
where
it's
basically,
you
know
you
know
us
meeting
again.
You
know
it's
supposed
to
be
a
little
different.
B
I
I
Already
talking,
eight
just
from
five
from
the
committee
five
from
this
committee
mayor's
office,
apd
and
the
city
school
district,
that's
already
eight
people.
So
if
you're
talking
12
you're
talking
really
only
about
four
more
people,
then,
and
then
that's
including
the
and
that's
including
the
the
youth
representative,
clergy
and
then
the
the
ward
so
you're
kind
of
giving
yourself
only
like
three
people.
J
And
this
is
just
me
as
a
question:
would
it
be
possible
if
it
left
up,
we
can
amend
the
ordinance
the
ordinance
in
some
way
where
it
can
be
left
up
to
the
chair
to
decide
how
many
people
from
the
committee
is
a
part
of
the
fight,
because
I
do
definitely
agree
with
alfredo.
There
should
be
a
large
presence
of
community
voice
rather
than
the
elected
officials
voice.
A
F
It
sounds
like
we're
setting
ourselves
up
to
have
some
of
the
similar
concerns
that
people
have
about
this
group
that
the
mayor
put
together
for
the
state.
You
know
I
was
getting
calls
today
about
that
about
people
phil,
that
the
makeup
of
the
people
in
the
discussion
doesn't
reflect
the
makeup
of
the
people
that
experience.
F
You
know
what
brought
everybody
to
that
room.
So
I
think
that
I
would
agree
that
it
should
be
as
many
people
from
the
community
that
would
like
to
participate.
We
should
you
know
the
community
should
have
more
people
at
the
table.
B
Right
and
what
I
would
say
is
just
a
reminder
that
it's
a
task
force
but
they're
going
to
be
open
public
meetings,
so
anyone
can
partake
anyone
can
participate.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind,
we
got
about
two
minutes
before
we
we
got
our
first
applicant,
so
I
got
one.
K
Recommendation
nine
community
members
and
then
that
and
then
you
know,
it'd
be
a
total
of
17
because
you'd
have
eight
from
the
from
from
the
other
side.
So
it'd
be
a
huge
committee,
you're
huge
task
force,
but
then
we
can
cut
back
from
that
eight,
but
not
from
the
nine.
So
you
know
we
don't
need
all
tasks,
those
members
or
all
public
safety.
You
just
need
to
ship.
You
know,
then
you
just
just
cut
four
people,
but
you
cut
that
from
the
government
government
elements
not
from
the
community
elements.
A
K
L
You
so
I
just
one
thing
I
think,
potentially,
if
we
could
look
at
the
number
after
the
interviews,
because
I
think
the
interviews
will
say
a
lot
like
if
we
have
14
interviews
and
14
are
amazing.
We
might
want
to
make
that
a
big
group.
But
if
it's
it's
a
different
scenario,
we
could
talk
about
decreasing
the
government
rules
and
also
the
the
number
overall.
So
that's.
D
Yeah-
and
I
just
want
to
add
kelly-
just
really
I
you
know-
I
just
want
to
echo
sonia's
sentiment-
that
after
the
interview
make
the
decision,
but
let's
let's
be
clear,
this
is
a
going
to
be
an
ongoing
discussion,
we're
not
going
to
end
violence
tomorrow,
and
I
think
that
the
more
we
get
people
from
the
community
the
better,
because
if
we
had,
if
elected
officials
and
the
establishment
had
the
answers
to
the
violence
in
the
streets,
we
wouldn't
be
here.
D
So
I
think
the
more
that
we
try
to
incorporate
people
from
the
community.
However,
many
is
possible.
Is
there
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
because
if
we
had
the
answers
as
elected
officials
or
as
a
government
body
or
the
police
department
dances,
we
wouldn't
be
here.
So
I
really,
I
think
the
answer
is
in
the
community
as
it
relates
to
dealing
with
violence
prevention,
so
the
more
we
can
have
from
the
community
the
better.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
inani.
We're
gonna
bring
the
first
applicant
in
we've,
got
15
minutes
in
between
each
one.
So
be
mindful
of
your
of
your
questions
and
let's,
let's
move
through
this.
If
it
takes
a
little
bit
longer,
you
gotta
have
to
ask
another
question
and
then
ask
it,
but
if,
if
it's
not
necessary,
don't
pleasing
be
consistent
throughout
ask
all
the
candidates
the
same
questions
consistently
thanks.
C
K
Because
we
have
a
little
time,
do
we
want
to
discuss
the
order
that
we
want
to
go
in
to
you
know
to
make
sure
that
it's
as
structured
as
possible,
we
have
once
we
get
started.
We
only
have
15
minutes
and
it
goes.
You
know,
time
and
time
very
quickly,.
B
Right
so
you
know
I'll
just
say
that
the
initial
stuff
and
then
and
then
committee
members-
I
don't
know
how,
what
order
you
all
want
to
go
in.
I
think
the
lady
should
get
to
go
first,
if
she
so
chooses
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
B
But
I'll
ask
the
you
know:
ask
the
person
to
introduce
themselves
and
and
tell
us
why
they
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
task
force.
D
Mr,
I
know
you
know
you
said
that
you
should
ask
equal
questions
to
individuals.
There
are
some
people
that
I
you
know.
You
know
after
hearing
that
the
answers
to
some
of
the
questions.
I
think
it
might
be
sufficient.
So
there
are
some
times
that
I
might
skip
a
few
people.
So
just
fyi,
just
heads
up
yeah.
B
B
Michelle
did
did
mr
devo
come
here.
C
D
D
D
C
C
M
M
M
Yes,
he
said
he's
in
the
middle
of
dealing
with
certain
protocols
for
his
other
position
and
he
cannot
jump
out
and
come
into
the
meeting,
and
I
don't
see
the
appointment
right
after
him.
B
Thank
you,
so
we
last
left
off
with
well
we're
at
17
that
would
be
nine
from
the
community
side
and
eat
from
from
the
official
side.
Was
everyone
comfortable
with
that?
Any
any
other
questions
comments.
Tom.
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
thinking
that,
especially
with
the
committee,
can
we
be
like
ex
officio
that
we're
there,
but
we
really
don't
vote
in
the
committee
and
stuff
that
might
be
a
way
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
smoother.
B
I
mean
that
that's
again,
this
broad,
the
ordinance
is
broad.
So
if
we
wanted
to
amend
it
or
make
some
changes,
we
certainly
could
do
that
or
the
thing
is
that
without
even
I
believe
at
this
rate
changing
the
let's,
I
mean
it's
just
so
broad
that
I
think
whatever
we
come
up
with
will
suffice.
M
A
B
Right
and-
and
I
would
I
would
also
say
that
in
terms
of
controlling
it,
that
that
a
community
person
be
if,
if
there's
a
chair,
elected
or
or
leadership
for
the
the
committee
shouldn't
consist
of,
I
believe
us.
I
think
the
community
should
lead
that.
M
B
Yeah
I
mean,
at
this
rate,
she's
got
a
couple
more,
it's
a
couple
more
minutes
before
she's
supposed
to
be
on
so,
but
back
to
the
play.
Thoughts
on
on
that
last
thing,
I
said
about
the
the
leadership
of
the
task
force
being
community
folks.
G
K
B
It's
yeah,
it
says
meat
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
lay
that
out,
but
just
every
fall
and
I'll
read
it
I'll,
read
it
in
its
entirety.
The
violence
prevention
section
of
the
equity
agenda
says
the
albany
community
council's
public
safety
committee
will
establish
a
violence
prevention
task
force.
The
violence
prevention
task
force
will
be
responsible
for
convening
stakeholders
every
fall
to
develop
action
items
in
preparation
for
the
upcoming
summer.
In
anticipation
of
an
uptick
of
violence.
B
Next
paragraph
is,
funding
will
be
allocated
annually
to
the
violence,
prevention,
programming
initiatives
and
wards
with
the
highest
incidence
of
and
prevalence
of
violence.
The
funds
will
be
allocated
based
on
prioritization
through
a
community
participatory
budgeting
process,
with
involvement
from
the
violence
prevention
task
force,
a
separate
budget
line
and
the
city
of
albany's
annual
budget
will
be
created,
entitled
violence
prevention
task
force
funding.
B
I
I
no,
I
think
we
we
got
to
do
something:
let's
go
just
yeah
going
by
what
it
says,
yeah,
but
we're
going
to
ask
that
they
convene
now
and
and
start
dealing
with
the
issues
that
we're
we've
been
facing
these
last
several
months.
K
Do
we
have
a
date
that
we
want
to
have
them
start,
so
we
can
give
people
a
a
idea
of
the
time
frame.
The
commitment
that
the
you
know:
no
action
full.
B
Again,
we
we
need
to
determine
that,
and
I'd
like
to
get
going
sooner
rather
than
later
have
at
least
have
that
initial
meeting
set
some
expectations,
kind
of
develop
and
talk
about
their
structure,
and
then
you
know
go
from
there,
but
but
we,
this
is
all
stuff
that
we're
creating.
We.
K
Can
also
give
once
we
have
a
committee
form
that
can
be
part
of
the
first
meeting
to
you
know
you
know,
allow
them
to
self-structure
their
own
destiny
of
how
much
they
want
to
meet
and
how
often
they
want
to
meet-
and
you
know
so
I
mean
so
it
doesn't
all
have
to
be
done.
Freeze
formation,
it
could
be
part
of
the
formation.
G
It
would
be
nice,
though,
to
have
a
rough
idea,
and
I'm
thinking
even
like
bi-monthly,
alfredo
that
so
they
can
expect
what's
needed
if
they
need
to
increase
it.
That,
like
I
agree
with
you,
that
the
committee
itself
should
say
we
need
to
meet
more
than
bi-monthly,
but
we
should
have
some
kind
of
targets
when
we're
interviewing
people.
This
is
what
we
expect
and
kelly.
Thank
you
for
reading
that.
I
understand
it
a
little
bit
more.
G
B
It's
a
violence
prevention
task
force,
but
we
got
a
lot
of
gun
violence
going
on
now
and
it's
a
huge
issue
and
then
we
had
a
prior
gun
violence
task
force.
So
I
think
people
are
looking
at
them
like
they're
the
same
when
by
the
legislation
that
they're
not
really,
but
there's
no
reason
why
this
violence
prevention
task
force
can't
tackle
and
deal
with
those
issues.
B
L
Thank
you
danielle,
just
I'm
curious.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
term
commitments
for
this
yet.
L
Got
it
and
then
I
do
like
I'll
echo.
I
believe
it
was
the
sentiments
of
councilman
robinson
having
some
form
of
adding
some
form
of
a
component
where,
if
someone
is
inactive
and
or
just
doesn't,
you
know
want
to
continue
with
the
body
being
able
to
have
an
easy
mechanism
to
replace
them
quickly.
C
Kelly,
it
kind
of
just
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
my
feeling
is
okay,
like
I
don't
know
what
I
bring
okay
or
maybe
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
mr
holly,
but
we're
at
zero
crime
right
now.
There
are
members,
okay
from
that
community
community,
as
it
says
disproportionately
impacted
by
violence.
I
think
they
should
have
a
bigger
voice
in
this
than
some
of
the
members
on
this
on
this
committee
right
here.
C
B
B
Right
and
so
maybe
maybe
the
the
legislation
should
have
spelled
out,
not
public
safety
members,
but
council
members
from
wards
that.
A
G
Joe,
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
think
you're
right
and
that's
something
like
kelly
said
we
can
adjust
the
ordinance
to
reflect.
G
A
B
Because
yeah
now
we're
at
we're
at
the
next
miss
ferguson's
time.
L
Okay,
I'll
kick
it
off.
I
was
planning
to
ask
you
know:
we've
seen
violence
at
a
high
in
2020.
From
your
perspective,
what
changes
or
improvements
would
you
like
to
see
to
hopefully
address
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
occurring?
So
that's
my
planned
question.
B
It
gives
you
something
to
focus
on,
I
mean
we,
we
have
their
resumes
and
some
some
have
cover
letters
and.
C
B
Don't
that
you
could
work
off
of,
but.
B
Yeah
yeah
the
mr
devos
was
like
that
yeah.
C
G
Oh,
my
plan
was
to
ask
you
know:
can
they
commit
the
time
to
the
committee
and
that's
the
same
question?
I
asked
with
the
police
review
board
so
I'll.
Stick
to
that.
If
that's
okay.
C
G
I'm
thinking
like
I
said
before
you
know
at
least
bi-monthly.
I
would
say
that
they'd
meet
at
least
once
and
they're
now
will
there
be
sub-committees,
but
that
that'll
be
up
to
the
chair.
I
would
imagine
right
yep.
B
Yep
that'll
be
up
to
to
the
members
yeah.
F
K
C
The
question
I'd
like
to
ask
everybody:
what
is
your
strength?
What
would
you
bring
to
the
table
that
would
help
the
most.
I
know
that's
encompassed
in
your
question
sign
yet,
but
you
know,
but
one's
going
to
lead
to
the
other
stuff.
You
know
I'll
ask
that
one
after
you
know
probably
number
two
and
time
three.
C
K
K
C
Is
it
fair
to
discuss
a
resume
like
right
now
before
a
person
comes
in
and
say
we.
B
Yeah
when
we
were
off
live
yeah,
I
don't
know
joe
you've
been
at
this
longer
than
any
of
us.
So.
C
Yeah,
well
that's
what
I'm
saying
we
have
first
in
front
of
us
and
you
can
look
at
the
resume
and
say
well
like
this
one,
I'm
a
recruiter
for
u.s
census,
bureau
and
occupational
specialist.
You
know
what,
in
your
resume
that
you've
submitted
us,
you
know
makes
you
qualified.
Do
you
think
would
be
a
good
fit
for
this
committee?
I
just
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
somebody's
where
to
get
it.
E
Kelly,
I
was
able
to
get
robin
she's
gonna,
be
on
her
way.
She's
gonna
show
up
a
little
early
for
her
interview.
Okay,.
E
Our
6
30.
robin.
E
B
G
E
Kelly
do
we
plan
to
have
discussion
on
candidates
tomorrow
or
today
after
the
interviews.
B
I
mean
I
think
we
could
do
just
kind
of
a
preliminary
thing
after
okay,
just
to
while
it's
fresh
in
our
minds
to
kind
of
okay.
Before
we
jump
off.
B
A
B
I
know
there's
quite
a
few,
a
few
meetings
going
on
there,
a
few
few
collaborative
breakout
groups
meeting
and
the
main
group.
It's
just
there's
just
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on.
I
find
myself
meeting
a
lot
more
now
and
during
date
time
during
the
evening,
it's
just
yeah.
E
C
B
C
C
B
So
if,
if
she's
there,
you
can
let
her
in.
E
E
B
Hello,
miss
goldston,
I'm
kelly,
kimbrough,
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee
here.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
in
participating
in
being
involved.
B
Okay,
and
so
just
the
just
the
way
we're
gonna
start
is
just
having
you
introduce
yourself
and,
and
let
us
know
why
you're
interested
in
being
part
of
the
task
force
and
after
that
we'll
go
around
questions
from
committee
members.
B
N
N
So
my
name
is
robin
chappelle
golson.
As
you
know,
I've
actually
been
a
resident
of
albany
for
three
years
now,
but
used
to
travel
up
here
for
work,
I'm
a
lobbyist
and
been
in
politics
and
government
for
many
years,
and
that's
really
my
background.
I
come
from
new
york
city,
where
I
grew
up
and
kind
of
started
really
my
career
in
politics
in
harlem,
so
that
was
where
I
was
based.
N
So
we
did
a
lot
of
issues
and
worked
on
this
issue
constantly
in
terms
of
of
crime
and
also
shootings
that
were
just
unprecedented
and
unacceptable
in
communities
of
color,
and
so
I
really
am
excited
about
this
opportunity,
because
I
am
somewhat
of
a
policy
wonk
where
I
I
do
like
to
really
dig
into
issues
and
I
think
there's
a
real
opportunity
here.
There's
a
lot
of
models
across
the
country
that
have
some
interesting
ideas
that
have
worked
to
try
to
address
this
issue.
N
You
know
in
terms
of
perpetrators.
I
think
there's
real
potential
to
come
up
with
creative
ideas
that
we
can
really
invest
in
the
community
and
work
with
the
community
in
tandem
to
get
to
the
solutions
we
need.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Well,
we'll
have
miss
frederick
first.
L
Thank
you
robin
for
being
here
today,
so
my
question,
for
you
is-
and
you
described
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
realm
so
obviously
in
2020
in
the
city
of
albany,
we've
seen
violence
at
a
at
a
big
high.
From
your
perspective,
what
are
some
you
know
some
changes
you
would
like
to
see
implemented
or
improvements
to
hopefully
address
some
of
the
issues
we're
seeing.
N
Sure
so
I
think
it
really
is
is
listening
to
the
community,
that's
being
impacted
and
seeing
what
their
needs
are,
what
their
solutions
are.
I
think
it
has
to
be
a
collaborative
effort.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
different
efforts
from
los
angeles
to
chicago
which
definitely
has
had
a
a
huge
problem
for
many
years
with
this
issue
and
gun
violence
in
their
communities,
and
I
think
there
are
innovative
ways.
N
You
know
I've
looked
at
different
models
and
really
kind
of
seeing
what
kind
of
works,
and
what
doesn't
it
looks
like
mediation
is
key,
looks
like
a
lot
of
mental
health.
Support
is
key,
especially
for
victims
of
gun
violence,
because
a
lot
of
times
they'll
even
turn
into
perpetrators
later
on
and
so
giving
folks
the
support
and
access
to
also
opportunity.
N
A
C
I'd
just
like
to
thank
you
for
applying
for
this.
C
I've
been
reading
your
resume,
it's
it's
pretty
darn,
good,
okay
and
a
lot
of
all
the
positions
we've
had.
What
would
you
bring?
What
have
you
seen
that
you
could
bring
to
this
this
committee
that.
N
Sure
so
you
know,
I
think,
a
combination
of
my
government
work
as
well
as
politics,
and
also
even
on
the
advocacy
side
of
what
I'm
doing
now.
I
think
I
have
an
ability
to
bring
people
together.
I
have
ability
to
learn
and
from
others
and
try
to
come
up
with
solutions
that
actually
work,
but
I
think
it
really
is.
It
is
a
complicated
issue,
but
a
very
straightforward
one,
and
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
to
really
address
this
issue,
and
so
you
know
working
in
government.
N
I
have
a
lot
of
contacts.
I've
worked
on
different
issues
and
policy
issues
and
pushed
and
advocated
on
behalf
of
issues.
So
I
think
from
that
standpoint
I
can
be
pretty
persuasive
at
times
when
I
need
to
be,
but
also
bringing
folks
together
on
the
advocacy
side,
I
think,
is
very
important
and
that's
where
the
community
input
is
really
necessary
and
really
listening
to
what
those
needs
are
and
what
the
challenges
is.
N
Our
challenges
are
so
I
think
you
know,
based
on
my
experience,
I
think
I
can
kind
of
put
together
and
then
also
the
government
side,
where
I
really
try
to
dig
into
issues
and
policies.
So
I
really
understand
kind
of
good
examples
as
well
as
bad
ones,
so
we
can
kind
of
learn
from
those
and
not
make
the
same
mistakes.
So
I
think
the
combination
of
all
of
kind
of
what
my
career
is
based
on,
I
think,
would
be
an
asset.
C
G
Yeah
hi
robin
and
I
apologize
I'm
in
my
car,
my
son's
practice
in
soccer
and
they
won't.
Let
me
in
the
building
because
of
covid
I
was
wondering
I'm
you
know.
Your
resume
is
very
impressive
and
you
know
the
committee
right
now
we're
just
forming
it.
It's
something
that
you
know
we're
we're
we're
building
the
plane
as
we
fly
it,
but
we
really
kind
of.
I
personally
think
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
time
involved
with
the
committee
and
there
might
be
subcommittees
formed
and
stuff
like
that.
G
With
your
your
work
schedule
and
stuff,
do
you
feel
you
can
put
the
time
in
if
needed,
to
make
this
committee
work?
Thank
you.
N
No,
I
appreciate
that
you
know
I
have
a
busy
schedule,
but
I've
also
been
in
politics
for
a
long
time
which
there's
no
off
hours
and
definitely
you
know
willing
to
be
flexible
in
terms
of
doing
things
after
work,
or
you
know
talking
to
the
community,
hopefully
in
times
when
we
can
actually
interact
in
person
with
folks
that
are
impacted,
I
think
you
know
I
always
try
to
make
time
I'm
passionate
about
this
issue.
N
I
think
this
is
important
and
I
think
it's
unacceptable
in
terms
of
what
is
currently
going
on
in
albany
as
well
as
other
cities.
So
you
know
you
make
time
for
things
that
you're
passionate
about
and
interested
in,
and
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
I
think
I
would
definitely
like
to
dedicate
some
real
substantial
time
to
really
try
to
come
up
with
possible
solutions.
N
He
was
definitely
so
I
was
his
special
assistant.
He
was
an
amazing,
I
mean
he's
a
legend.
He
is
part
of
the
the
the
legendary
harlem
five
and
you
know
just
working
for
him
and
such
a
historic
figure
was
really
a
great
learning
experience
for
me.
Obviously,
you
know
representing
harlem
and
his
district.
There
was
a
lot
of
issues
that
were
similar
to
what
we're
talking
about
today,
but
really
taught
me
a
lot
about
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
also
having
a
smile
doing
it.
N
He
was
he
could
one
of
the
the
skills
that
he
had.
That
I
always
respected
is
that
he
could
kind
of
throw
a
zinger
at
you,
but
you
won't
even
know
it
because
he
would
have
a
smile
on
his
face
and
he
was
very
charming
and
he
knew
how
to
work
with
people
in
a
way
to
actually
get
things
done.
So
I
always
respected
that.
B
N
B
Thank
you
again,
miss
golson.
Thank
you
for
your
interest.
Your
experiences
is
on
point.
You
do
a
lot
of
you
said
you're
a
lobbyist.
So
obviously
you
know
people
you
can
your
communications
specialist
or
what
have
you?
What
what
kind
of
engagement
or
community
engagement
have
you
done
here
in
albany
and
has
any
of
it
been
in
any
of
these
communities
that
that
we're
talking
about.
N
Sure
so
you
know
I
mean
I've
been
here
three
years.
I've
definitely
tried
to
engage
and
work
with
local
leaders.
I've
done
stuff
with
the
mayor
and,
of
course,
on
the
abacus
side.
For
my
job,
we've
had
a
lot
of
rallies
and
events
in
public
events
about
around
reproductive
health
care.
So
from
that
standpoint,
but
I
I
consider
that
part
of
my
kind
of
my
work
realm
that
we
the
work
we've
done
locally,
but
I
think
it.
N
This
is
also
a
real
attempt
for
me
to
get
more
engaged
in
the
community,
because
I
think
there
is
a
real
need.
I
like
albany,
it
is
a
good
city
and
I
really
do
want
to
use
my
expertise
to
kind
of
branch
out
and
also
do
some
more
community
work,
because
I
really
haven't
been
able
to
tap
into
that
in
a
way
that
I
wanted
to.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good.
First
start.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Any
other
council
members
have
questions.
K
So
you've
got
a
lot
of
experience.
You
know
working
in
government.
How
good
are
you
working
with
people?
One?
You
don't
agree
with
two.
You
may
have
different
perspectives,
different
viewpoints
and
I'm
someone
that
believes
everyone
has
their
specific
skill
and
brings
different
perspective
and
different
avenues
to
the
table
to
try
to
deal
with
an
issue,
but
they
may
not
come
from
your
perspective.
They
may
come
from
a
totally
different
perspective.
N
Sure
so
I
see
that
as
part
of
my
job
in
every
capacity
that
I've
had
I've
had
to
reach
over
and
kind
of,
try
to
convince
or
either
find
common
ground
with
people
that
don't
believe
or
we
support
the
same
things
I
mean.
I
think
I
do
that
on
a
regular
basis
for
my
current
job.
Obviously,
there
is
a
lot
of
different
thoughts
about
reproductive
health
care
and
access.
N
That
at
least,
can
get
you
to
the
starting
point,
even
if
you
will
never
really
agree
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
I
mean
I
feel,
like
I've
been
doing
that
throughout
my
career
and
also
the
campaigns
that
I've
worked
on
you're
always
out
there.
In
the
streets
trying
to
convince
people
about
certain
issues
and
different
candidates,
so
they're
really
I
I
really
the
one
thing
that
I
love
best
about
politics
and
government
is
that
you
interact
with
so
many
different
kinds
of
people
with
so
many
different
viewpoints.
N
And
if
you
can
really
have
an
impact-
and
maybe
even
not
necessarily
get
folks
on
your
side
but
at
least
have
them
understand.
I
think
that's
a
really
important
trait
right
now,
especially,
is
how
divided
we
are
as
a
country
and
just
terms
of
like
talking
and
listening
to
people
and
trying
to
find
that
common
ground.
If
you
can
find
it.
B
Okay,
I
don't
believe
any
other
folks,
president
have
questions,
so
that's
that
wraps
it
up.
Do
you
have
any
questions
comments?
Anything
for
us.
N
Sure
so
you
know,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
thinking
about
how
this
task
force
would
intersect
with
the
nonprofits
that
I
know
were
already
doing
work
on
these
issues.
I
know:
there's
a
gun,
violence
task
force,
that's
been
created
by
a
block
at
a
time,
and
I
know
snug
does
a
lot
of
work
locally
like
how
would
this
group
intersect
with
those
groups
that
are
already
doing
work
on
the
ground.
B
The
group
decides
how
they
intersect
again,
building
the
plane
as
it's
flying.
Ideally
we
want.
We
want
you
working
with
a
broad
swath
of
community
members
and
organizations,
but
but
yeah
it's
it's
it's
a
blank
slate.
At
this
point
I
mean
we,
we
know
our
end
goal,
but
how
we
get
there
is
going
to
be
up
to
the
group
really.
N
So
with
that,
that's
helpful,
thank
you,
and
I
appreciate
that
because
I
think
it
is
going
to
be
really
bringing
all
kinds
of
folks
together
to
address
this
issue.
So
in
that
regard,
what
is
the
role
that
the
police
plays,
and
can
they
be
a
partner
in
this
as
well?
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
difficulties
and
complications
with
that
right
now,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
piece
of
how
we
get
to
a
solution.
B
That's
right
this.
The
legislation
that
created
this
task
force
is
that
it
calls
for
the
chief
or
one
of
his
designees
or
someone
from
the
police
department
to
be
on
the
person
from
the
police
department
that
will
be
on
the
task.
Force
is
sergeant
vincent
thompson,
so
there's
a
person
there
right
now.
That
would
be
the
link
in
the
tie
and
and
and
tied
this
to
the
police
department.
So
but
again,
this
is
about
the
community.
B
N
Definitely
no
and
I-
and
I
definitely
get
that
in
support
that
I
think
they're
a
piece
of
the
puzzle,
but
definitely
not
the
solution.
Yes,
can
I
just
ask
you,
in
terms
of
the
resources
for
the
task
force
like?
Is
there
an
ability
to
get
data
in
terms
of
where
we're
kind
of
looking
at
perpetrators
and
victims
of
gun
violence?
So
we
can
kind
of
really
see
the
population
that
we're
dealing
with
and
who
we
should
be
kind
of
targeting
outreach
to.
B
And
they're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
there's
some
fun
going
to
be
some
funding
attached
to
it.
Also,
but
again
as
we're
building
this,
you
know
we
can't
put
a
number
on
it
right
now,
because
we
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like
completely
so
yeah
to
answer
your
question.
A
B
B
That's
good.
Yes,
that
was
very
makes
me
very
excited
about
this,
because
you
want
this
this
process
and
this
this
thing
to
be
in
the
hands
of
people
that
care
are
capable
and
she
certainly
seems
to
fit
the
bill.
Definitely
anyone
our
next
person,
michelle
are
they
in
the.
E
Queue,
mr
green,
yes,
he's
in
the
waiting
room,
but
I
also
wanted
to
provide
a
correction.
I
believe
thompson
is
coming
from
the
school
district.
He
used
to
be
an
officer,
but
now
he's
with
oh
that's
right,
school
district
and
we
have
mcdavid
for
our
apd
on
okay.
A
B
B
D
B
Yes,
we
can
so
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
task
force.
My
name
is
kelly.
Kimber,
I'm
the
the
chair
of
the
council's
public
safety
committee.
Thank
you
again
for
your
interest
in
joining
the
the
violence
task
force.
So
what
we'll
do
in
in
our
interview
here
is
I'll
and
I'll.
B
Have
you
introduce
yourself
and
let
us
know
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then,
after
you
do
your
intro,
we'll
have
council
members
ask
questions:
okay,
awesome
good
with
you,
okay,
so
I'll
I'll
turn
the
floor
over
to
you.
P
All
right,
so
my
name
is
jonathan
green.
I
am
currently
a
city
of
albany
firefighter,
so
I
definitely
experience
some
of
the
violence
and
see
it
from
a
little
bit
of
a
different
perspective
than
many.
I
have
been
involved
in
working
with
the
city
in
different
aspects.
Pretty
much
my
entire
life.
I
grew
up
right
in
albany
I
went
to
albany
high.
I
went
to
hackett.
I
went
to
toast.
P
L
Hi,
mr
green,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
appreciate
you
applying
for
this
position
and
being
willing
to
serve
in
this
capacity.
My
question
for
you
is,
as
you
mentioned,
violence
in
2020
has
been
in
a
high.
L
What
improvements
or
changes
would
you
like
to
see
that
could
hopefully
lead
to
some
resolution
to
these
issues.
P
So
I
would
like
to
see
a
combination
of
some
different
programs
that
are
going
on
all
over
the
world.
When
I
was
younger,
I
worked
for
an
organization
called
peace
players
international
and
they
do
a
good
job
of
bringing
together
sort
of
troubled
areas
such
as
ireland,
some
of
the
middle
east
areas,
and
they
really
try
to
promote
interaction
through
sports,
and
I
think
that
would
be
something
really
good
to
bring
back
for
one
year
we
had
that
albany
olympics
and
I
think
an
idea
like
that
is
wonderful.
L
C
I'm
sorry
I
didn't.
I
missed
the
first
question
because
I
got
a
phone
call
from
someone
I
couldn't.
I
couldn't
get
him
off
the
phone
when
I
picked
it
up,
but
jonathan
I've
looked
at
your
resume
and
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
service
as
a
fireman.
Thank.
C
What
what
you
see
see
daily
and
see
a
lot
of
this
violence
happening
and
trying
to
help
people
and
just
what
I
did
here,
I
don't
like
your
outlook.
I
was
normally
asked:
what
do
you
think
you
bring
to
the
table,
but
I
think
you
told
us
from
your
experience
and
I
think
that
will
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
mr
green,
I'm
sitting
in
a
car
waiting
for
my
son
playing
soccer.
They
won't
let
me
in
the
building
because
of
covid.
So
that's
why
I'm
not
trying
to
be
spooky.
My
question
for
you
is,
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
your
resume
very
impressive.
G
This
committee
we're
putting
together
it's
we
don't
know
how
it's
gonna
end
up.
You
know
we're
flying
the
plane
and
putting
it
together
at
the
same
time.
So
you
know
I
foresee
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
time
needed
within
the
committee
once
we
start
rolling.
The
big
idea
of
this
committee
is
to
try
to
prevent
violence
over
the
summer,
so
we're
definitely
coming
up
in
the
spring.
G
We
really
gonna
have
to
meet
and
come
up
with
ideas
and
stuff,
and
my
question
is:
will
you
have
the
time-
and
you
know
to
be
able
to
dedicate
yourself
to
this
and
there
could
be
subcommittees
too,
so
we
don't
know
exactly
what
will
be
involved,
but
you
know
how
do
you
feel
you
know
you're
volunteering?
Do
you
have
the
time
to
follow
through
on
this
assignment.
P
Yeah,
I
think
I
definitely
have
the
time
as
much
as
kovit
has
been
a
burden.
Kovit
has
really
moved
everything
to
online
and
kind
of
moved
everything
to
a
work
on
your
schedule,
so
my
grad
school
schedule
is
when
I
have
time
I
can
work
on
it,
so
other
other
than
my
firehouse
shifts,
which
are
rigid
set
time
pretty
much.
P
My
time
can
be
moved
around
and
I've
worked
on
time,
management
and
being
involved
in
different
programs
all
at
once,
just
to
make
sure
that
I'm
staying
up
on
everything-
and
I
have
done
many
volunteer
programs
all
at
the
same
time
in
the
past
right
now,
a
number
of
them
have
stopped,
and
so
I'm
looking
to
get
involved
in
some
other
ones.
Similarly,
if
I
believe
it's
in
my
statement,
I
talked
about
the
work
I
did
with
equinox.
I'm
no
longer
doing
that
work
because
of
the
covid.
L
P
Because
of
everything
that
was
going
on
prior
to
it
as
that
program
was
kind
of
getting
shut
down
a
little
bit,
so
I'm
looking
to
get
more
involved
in
it.
That
program
shut
down
the
camp.
Courage
program
that
I
talked
about
had
been
shut
down.
The
program
for
inner
city
youth
with
high
childhood
obesity
markers.
That
program
had
been
shut
down
about
three
years
ago.
P
K
K
That's
good
good,
good,
and,
and
thank
you
again
for
your
service
and
for
the
work
you
do
in
our
city
every
day.
My
question
is
you
know
how
how
good
are
you
working
with
individuals?
You
might
not
always
agree
with
you
know.
K
We
all
have
our
perspectives
and
we
all
have
our
different
backgrounds,
but
I'm
someone
who
believes
that
everyone
brings
something
to
the
table
from
that
perspectives
and
it
may
not
be
something
that
you
can
always
see
right
away,
but
you
know,
but
they
have
that
acid,
and-
and
it's
always,
you
know
my
way
of
saying
is
you
want
to
focus
on
the
and
their
strengths,
but
they
may
have
a
different
viewpoint.
They
may
have
a
different
way.
They
have
a
different
style
than
you.
How?
P
So
I
would
definitely
have
to
agree
with
you.
That's
an
extremely
important
thing.
Seeing
is
how
the
violence
really
is
spread
out
throughout
the
city,
it's
in
a
number
of
different
neighborhoods,
and
no
one
solution
is
going
to
work
for
every
neighborhood.
Maybe
there's
different
problems
in
different
neighborhoods,
so
really
bringing
together
different
perspectives
is
really
going
to
help
that
I've
worked
on
a
number
of
different
committees.
I've
been
co-director
of
programs
where
it
really
involved
some
serious
teamwork
and
meeting
eye
to
eye
and
kind
of
making
decisions
based
on
okay.
P
We
may
have
to
try
both
of
these.
Let's
see
what
we
can
get
to
work,
one
of
the
things
being
on
the
fire
department
is
that's
really
some
some
teamwork
there.
That
puts
you
in
a
spot
that
you
have
to
rely
on
other
people
knowing
okay.
If
I
am
doing
my
task,
I
need
to
let
them
do
their
task
and
not
worry
about
them
doing
their
task
so
that
we
can
come
together
and
solve
an
entire
problem.
K
B
B
You
know
the
the
police
department
is
where
it's
at
come
on.
So
mr
green,
you,
you
definitely
seem
like
you've
been
involved.
You
care
about
your
community.
I
see
your
activity
with
the
jcc
some
stuff,
with
equinox
with
the
gun,
violence,
we're
talking
about
some
specific
communities
with
with
issues
and
have
do
you
have
any
interactions
with
any
community
engagement
with
some
of
the
the
the
neighborhoods
where
the
gun
violence
is
occurring.
B
A
B
P
No,
so
those
programs
that
I
discussed
in
there
one
equinox
was
the
domestic
youth
shelter.
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
it
on
central
ave,
so
that
was
really
involved
in
that
neighborhood
right
there.
That
program
was
only
for
youth
with
nowhere
nowhere
to
go
in
the
afternoons
and
evenings
we
were
handling
dinner
for
them.
We
were
handling
sports
homework
career
guidance.
P
P
Different
interactions,
people
from
all
over
because
it's
not
too
far
of
a
walk
from
the
high
school,
so
people
getting
out
of
school
can
go
over
there
right
after
school
and
then
maybe
get
a
ride
home
later
at
night
after
they've
gotten
some
dinner
or
to
wherever
they're
going,
and
then
on
top
of
that
that
camp
courage
program
for
my
resume
was
inside
of
sheridan,
prep
and
giffin
elementary.
So
those
two
programs
we
were
going
into
the
schools
we
were
meeting
with
the
classrooms.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Thank
you
for
your
service
as
a
fireman.
Thank
you
for
all.
You
do
kelly.
H
P
G
And
dear
hop
there
right
jonathan.
P
G
B
Good!
Okay,
so
so
thank
you
for
for
your
interest,
mr
anani.
D
John,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
interest
and
serving
on
this
board
this
work
group.
I
did
some
research
and
spoke
to
many
of
your
colleagues
and
nothing
but
great
things
to
say
about
you
as
relates
to
your
hard
work
and
so
on.
D
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
one
for
your
purpose
to
the
city
of
albany,
and
I
know
that
you
care
about
the
city
and
want
to
see
the
city
move
in
the
right
direction
as
it
relates
to
the
violence
that
we're
witnessing
in
our
city.
My
question
is
more
so
from
your
experience
in
your
field.
Can
you
share
how
the
pandemic
crisis
has
exacerbated
the
violence
in
the
city
of
albany.
P
So
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
multi-part
thing.
The
number
one
thing
is
that
people
don't
have
anywhere
to
go
all
of
these
programs
that
involve
bringing
kids
together
and
working
as
youth
groups.
Everything
like
that
are
shut
down.
So
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
nothing
to
do
situation.
People
don't
know
where
to
go
after
school.
A
lot
of
people
are
out
of
school.
A
lot
of
people
are
out
of
work,
and
I
think
that
that
brings
some
tension.
It
brings
some
stress.
There's
elevated
levels
of
of
everything
going
on.
P
People
are
worried
where
that
next
meal
is
because
they
they
don't
have
the
same
employment
that
they
had.
They
don't
have
the
same
support
system
that
they
had,
and
on
top
of
that
now
they
can't
see
a
lot
of
their
family
that
may
be
vulnerable,
so
that
really
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
on
the
system
ahead
of
time
and
then
you're
getting
everyone
is
running
around
everyone.
Is
everyone
is
trying
to
fix
this
problem,
but
we
haven't
really
been
able
to
sit
down,
have
major
committees,
because
again
everyone
is
now
having
everything
through
zoom.
P
You
can't
bring
people
together,
so
I
think
overall,
we
need
to
get
these
programs
back
and
running
as
soon
as
we
can.
As
I
said,
there
were
a
number
of
programs
in
the
city
that
happened
throughout
the
years
of
my
growing
up
like
like
I
mentioned
the
albany
olympics.
You
know
even
something
as
simple
as
going
to
the
basketball
courts
was
was
shut
down
as
as
much
of
a
preventative
measure
as
it
was.
It's
tough
to
see.
P
B
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
mr
green,
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
us
we'll
take
those
otherwise
thank
you
for
participating.
B
B
This
is
still
on
that
same
trajectory.
I,
like
I
like
this.
I
liked
his
energy.
I
like
that.
Neither
of
the
the
applicants
thus
far
mentioned
are
looked
at
this
from
a
law
enforcement
approach,
they're
looking
at
programming
and
talking
about
alternative
ways
to
deal
with
stuff.
So
that's
that's!
I'm
really
happy
about
that.
So.
B
G
B
Yeah,
really,
this
is
good.
This
is
good
and
promising.
So
we
got
anyone
else
is
dr
harden.
Lined
up
did.
E
B
Yes,
so
so
I'm
the
chair
of
public
safety,
you
know
that
welcome
public
safety
meeting
to
interview
applicants
for
violence
prevention
task
force.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
as
if
you're
not
already
engaged
enough.
I
really
thank
you
and
appreciate
you
for
for
stepping
up
for
this,
so
what
we'll
do
is
to
have
you
do
your
intro
and
let
us
know
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
we'll
ask
questions
after
that.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
So
again,
my
name
is
dr
venelia
hardin.
I
am
a
over
20
year
resident
here
in
the
city
of
albany
living
in
several
different
wards.
I
currently
reside
in
councilman,
kimbrough's
ward,
but
formerly
and
councilman
jamel,
robinson's
ward,
and
I
also
serve
as
you
know,
on
the
albany
community
police
review
board.
Q
My
interest
in
the
violence
prevention
task
force
is
not
only
as
a
community
member,
but
I
think
about
the
opportunity
and
lessons
that
I've
learned
from
my
most
recent
research
in
my
study,
and
I
think
that
this
is
an
opportunity
to
highlight
the
voices
from
the
non-traditional
leaders
that
I
heard
from
in
conducting
my
research,
but
not
only
that.
Q
I
think
about
my
own
history
that
I'm
not
from
albany
new
york,
but
I
came
here
as
an
at-risk
teen
and
with
living
in
the
community
and
going
through
and
facing
the
adversities
that
I
faced.
If
it
was
not
for
community
programming
that
literally
wrapped
its
arms
around
me
and
several
others,
I
wouldn't
have
the
opportunities
that
I
have
today
and
some
of
those
opportunities
that
I
was
afforded
as
a
homeless
at
risk.
Teen.
Q
At
16
and
17
years
of
age,
quite
frankly,
there's
a
lot
of
violence
that
we're
seeing
that
is
coming
from
our
youth.
And
while
I
don't
want
to
pinpoint
where
that's
coming
from,
I
think
we
need
to
get
to
the
heart
of
that.
But
what
I
do
know
is
there
are
opportunities
that
are
not
there,
such
as
equinox.
Q
That
was
there
when
I
was
growing
up
and
I'm
not
that
old,
I'm
not
I'm
not
even
40
yet.
So
I
just
think
about
the
the
lens
that
that
I
come
from.
I
think
about
the
people
in
the
community
whose
voices
are
not
in
the
position
that
I
am,
and
I
think
that
it
is
my
duty-
and
this
is
my
opportunity
to
be
the
voice
and
of
those
individuals,
but
also
provide
opportunities
for
different
individuals
to
become
involved,
engaged
and
really
work
towards
safer.
L
Q
Several
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
the
obvious
would
would
be
that
there
is
a
decrease
in
no
violence
right
in
in
our
predominantly
black
and
brown
communities.
Q
Q
I
think
that
those
of
us
who
are
active
and
have
and
have
different
relationships
with
people
in
the
community
that
it
is
in
my
opinion
and
perspective,
our
job
and
I
consider
myself
a
public
servant
to
really
begin
to
get
those
individuals
not
just
engaged
but
serving
their
community
in
the
capacity
that
makes
where
we
live
safer.
C
Just
following
up
on
some
of
the
resume
doctor,
thank
you
very
much.
You
have
quite
the
background
working
with
people.
I
think
that's
what
this
task
force
is
trying
to
do
and
bring
people
together
and
working.
I
think
I
I'm
just
impressed
with
and
I'm
glad
to
see
you
applied
being
honest
with
you.
Q
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
impress
upon
you
today
is
that
my
my
resume.
Q
Could
not
be
possible
if
not
having
gone
through
the
things
that
I've
went
through
with
the
support
that
I
received
from
the
community
I
highlighted
earlier
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
I
am
a
product
of
equinox's
independent
living
program
where
there
were
counselors
mentors
and
they
even
hired
me
once
they
helped
me
get
off
to
college,
and
I
can't
speak
from
every
lens
and
that's
why
this
task
force,
I
assume
and
could
see,
will
be
consisting
of
different
individuals.
Q
But
I
really
want
to
bring
that
forth
about,
because
my
history
makes
me
who
I
am.
I
was
that
at
risk
forgotten-
or
at
least
I
felt
forgotten
child
that
was
once
in
the
community
doing
things
that
I
I'm
pretty
much
ashamed
of
today.
However,
someone
gave
me
an
opportunity,
and
not
only
did
did
I
take
it.
C
Doctor,
that's
that's
what
I
think
you're
going
to
bring
to
the
table
you're
going
to.
Let
people
know
your
history,
okay
and
learn
from
learn
from
you
that
their
history
is
going
to
follow
them
in
life,
okay
and
get
on
the
right
track.
Again,
that's
what
the
kids
have
to
hear
today.
I
think
thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
dr
hardin,
for
coming
my
question.
Well,
I
just
want
to
tell
you
I'm
waiting
for
my
son.
I
have
to
sit
out
in
the
car
because
of
covid
he's
playing
soccer.
My
question
to
you
is
that
you
know
this
committee
is
kind
of
a
blank
slate.
It's
never
been
done
before
and
we're
putting
this
together
and
I've
told
the
other
people
who
applied
it's
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying
it.
So
we
don't
know
about
the
time
commitments,
but
my
own
imagination
is
you
know.
G
The
objective
of
the
committee
is
to
make
sure
is
to
try
to
prevent
violence
over
the
summer,
because
that's
when
we
see
the
upticks
during
the
hot
hot
weather,
will
you
have
the
time
to
invest
if
needed
in
the
committee?
And
if
there's
subcommittees
to
do
it,
and
you
know,
I
think
you
will,
but
I
I
gotta,
I
ask
everybody
the
same
question.
Thank
you.
Q
I
appreciate
that
I
I
would
hope
that
this
task
force
does
not
con
conflict
with
the
albany
community
police
review
board.
Q
I
do
fully
intend
to
serve
continue
to
serve
on
that
board,
so
as
long
as
there's
no
conflict
there
in
juggling
a
full-time
job
and
and
getting
my
doctorate
and
so
many
other
things,
I
don't
know
how
I
did
them,
but
what
I
do
know
is
when
you're,
when
you're
committed
to
something
you
you
commit
you
make
time
and
you
show
up,
and
you
serve
wholeheartedly
so
now
that
my
my
schooling
is
over,
I'm
ready
to
be
in
school
again
with
this
task.
Q
First
learning
and
and
growing
to
help
see
see
the
change
that
we
or
at
least
begin
because
I
think
that
this
is
a
process
and
it's
not
going
to
be
something
that
just
happens,
and
it's
done
at
least
I
hope
not.
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
beginning
to
us
determining
not
just
where
the
change
is,
but
how
but
sustainability,
ultimately.
K
Good
evening,
dr
hart
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
being
willing
to
take
a
task
given
my
dogs
always
like
to
get
involved
in
my
conversations,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
you
and
I
I
I
appreciate
you
sharing
your
story.
I
think
it's
a
story
that
a
lot
of.
K
Have
similar
struggles
that
you
know
that
they're
facing,
so
it
is
good
for
them
to
see
that
you
know
you
can.
There
is
a
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
and
that
there's
a
lot
you
can
still
you
can
accomplish.
That's
still
that
you
can't
accomplish.
I
am
going
to
give
you
a
little
pushback
in
one
of
the
statements
you
said
I
I
do
truly
believe
you're
wrong
about
this.
K
Q
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
that
I
I
highlighted
that,
even
though
my
daughter
would
say
that
I'm
that
I'm
old,
that
it
is
about
perspective,
but
also
when
I
think
about
the
things
that
adversity
that
I
faced
was
not
that
long
ago.
Q
So
that's
why
I
I
brought
it
up,
I
think
about
you,
know
doing
street
outreach.
You
know
that
the
program
provided
me
an
opportunity
to
do
outreach
in
the
community
and
serve
as
a
counselor
with
the
other
teams
which,
after
I
completed
my
bachelor
degree.
So
I
I
that's
why
I
highlighted
it.
I
think
that
at
any
age
we
all
have
something
to
to
give
and
learn
from
for
sure.
K
K
You
haven't
forgotten
it
and
that
you
haven't
forgotten
it,
and
you
still
want
to
you
know,
work
hard
to
help.
Others
who
are
in
that
same
same
particular.
So
thank
you.
B
So
my
my
question
to
the
candidates
or
athletes
before
you
is
about
community
engagement,
but
I
happen
to
know
a
little
bit
about
you
and
I've
worked
with
you
over
the
years
on
a
few
initiatives,
so
I
know
you're
engaged.
Thank
you
for
continually
giving
back
I'd,
say,
you're,
amazing,
because
again
these
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
kids
and
young
folks
there's
a
sense
of
hopelessness
in
as
a
part
of
some
of
this,
and
you
give
people
hope
and
people.
B
People
need
to
know
that
they're
people
just
like
them
or
that
have
been
through
the
same
things
that
they're
going
through
that
that
worked
hard
made
it
through
and
and
did
something
so
you're
a
shining
example.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
being
a
part
of
this,
and
I
believe
that
mr
anani
is
jumping
at
the
bit
right
now
to
get
in
there.
B
D
Still
muted,
yes,
thank
you
chair
well,
first,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
interest
in
serving
on
such
an
important
task
force.
I'll,
tell
you
this
violence
in
the
city
of
albany
is
it's
sobering
is
depressing.
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
lot
and
you
know,
as
elected
officials,
everyone
we
all
go
home,
it
doesn't
matter
if
happening.
The
low
wards
are
up
awards.
I
think
about
what
could
I
be
doing
better
or
what
can
my
colleagues
or
what
can
we
all
do
better?
D
And
you
know
I'm
grateful
to
see
individuals
like
yourself
with
talent
and
experience
interested
in
such
a
boy.
My
question
is
more
so
the
violence
in
the
city
of
albany
do
you
believe,
is
government
shortcoming
or
is
it
personal
responsibility.
Q
Well,
I
think
that's
a
loaded
question
and-
and
I
and
I
say
that,
because
it
really
depends
on
who
you
speak
with.
But
but
I
will
let
me
let
me
just
say
this:
I
I
don't
want
to
say
that
it's
one
choice
of
the
other,
but
I
wouldn't
say
it's
with
not
without
responsibility
of
the
two
that
that
you
framed
it
in.
I.
Q
I
think
that
this
this
task
force
and
there's
other
things
going
on
other
good
work
going
on
in
the
city
which
could
which
could
really
come
together
to
really
determine
the
different
levels
of
where
it's
coming
from.
But
it's
not
coming
from
one
place.
Councilman.
Q
I
think
that
we
could,
we
see,
could
see
a
set
of
themes
here
and
that
we
could
make
some
assumptions,
but
what
we
really
need
to
get
more
into
the
heart
of
of
what
it
is,
and
I
think
we
get
in
trouble.
Sometimes
if
we
assume
what
the
issue
is
because
like
we
heard-
and
I
think
that
you
specifically
said
when
you
when
you
think
about,
we
could
think
about
a
new
assumption
that
just
happened
from
the
police
officer.
Q
Q
B
Okay,
thank
you,
dr
hardin.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
Q
You
know
what
I
I
wondered
about
before
this
interview
and
I
have
to
thank
my
my
colleague.
We
were
having
a
different
discussion,
but
I
do
want
to
credit
her
for
putting
this
thought
in
my
head:
nairobi
vivas.
Q
We
we
were
having
a
conversation
about
utilizing,
different
resources
which
should
be
brought
to
the
table.
We
and
while
we
were
thinking
about
cprb,
I
think
that
it
holds
true
here
that
I
wonder
if
the
public
safety
committee
has
thought
about
or
reached
out
or
considered
partnering
with
people
like
lisa
goode,
who
is
a
part
of
urban
grief,
and
I
can
expand
on
that
at
a
at
a
different
date,
because
I
don't
know
what
your
time
commitment
is.
Q
A
E
Can
answer
that
at
least
a
good?
Mr
good
has
provided
her
service
to
the
task
force?
She
said
that
she
would
not
like
to
be
a
task
force
member
I
did
reach
out,
but
she
would
be
providing
consultant
to
the
task
force.
Q
That's
that's
good
to
know
the
the
other
question
that
I
have,
if
I
may
is
that
I
noticed
on
the
call
for
applicants
that
this
is
right
now
only
being
implemented
for
two
years.
What
happens
after
those
two
years.
B
Q
Q
That's
good
to
know,
and
and
lastly,
one
more
question
that
I
have
is
that
in
the
mystical
vid
until
this
resolves
itself,
it
would
appear
that
we'll
continue
to
meet
this
way,
but
in
the
hope
that
in
the
coming
year,
there'll
be
some
resolution
to
covet.
Q
Is
there
consideration
about
how
this
task
force
will
convene
so
that
it's
not
in
one
place
to
be
able
to
speak
with
and
engage
different
members
in
different
wards?.
B
Yeah
and
that
that
is
for
we're,
leaving
for
the
the
task
force
to
decide,
we'd
love
to
see
that
and,
and
and
have
you
know
all
you
know
different
areas
engaged
so
but
yeah.
I
would
fully
expected
that
that
would
happen,
but
that's
something
the
group
is
going
to
have
to
decide
how
you
tackle
that.
Q
Q
I
said
my
other
question
was
answered.
I
remember
I
I
remembered
it
was
in
the
task
force
description,
but
I
was
just
gonna
comment
that
I
I
think
that
having
a
diverse
different
set
of
members,
especially
to
include
some
young
people,
is
important.
B
C
Doctor,
if
you
know
any
youth
pointing
out
to
them,
we're
looking
for
use
to
apply.
Q
B
Yeah
right,
I
don't
at
this
point,
I
don't.
I
don't
believe
we
do
and
also
remember.
This
is
a
public
process.
The
meetings
will
be
public,
so
I
I'd
fully
expect
the
community
to
be
engaged
in
this.
You
know
both
members
and
of
the
task
force
and
non-members,
because
again
we
have
to
do
this
together.
We
got
to
bring
everyone
together
to
kind
of
work
through
this.
B
So
but
right
now,
if
you
have
young
folks
that
want
to
get
involved,
can
you
bring
them
to
mind
michelle's
attention,
and
also
you
mentioned
your
research
and
and
talking
to
people?
So
I'm
assuming
that
you,
you
have
a
if
not
a
wealth,
certainly
a
good
bit
of
knowledge
about
these
issues
and
this
stuff
that's
going
on.
B
That
would
inform
the
process
also
because
we
need
to
get
together
and
talk
through
these
issues
and
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
the
applicants
up
until
your
you
offered
you
know
non-police
non-law
enforcement
options
or
approaches
to
fixing
this,
because
it's
real
easy
to
think
about
it
as
a
law
enforcement
thing.
So
I'm
happy
about
that,
so
anyone
you
can
bring
to
the
table
at
this
point
please
please
do
just
mean
you
could
talk
offline
about
that.
Q
Sure
yeah,
I
I
think
about
there
are
a
few
individuals
that
I
think
about
that
are
also
even
closer
to
the
youth
that
I
yeah.
Let's,
let's
follow
up
councilman.
B
B
E
So
we
have
added
steph
to
tonight's
for.
A
E
Make
it
tomorrow.
B
E
E
B
I'm
kelly
kimbrough,
chairman
of
the
public
safety
committee
for
the
council.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
violence
prevention
task
force.
We
will
have
you
do
an
intro
and
let
us
know
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force
and
then
we'll
have
council
members
ask
questions
okay.
A
R
S
Hi
everyone
I'm
melody,
harkness.
I
am
a
your
local
diversity
consultant.
I
own
partners
consulting
solutions
and
what
we
do
is
offer
organizational
assessments
and
provide
guidance
in
the
area
of
diversity,
according
inclusion
initiatives
and
projects.
S
Community
development
has
been
a
close
passion
of
mine
and
on
the
personal
front
I
applied
for
this
position
because
I
actually
lost
a
brother
to
the
gun
violence
like
11
years
ago,
and
I've
kind
of
made
it
my
own
personal
mission
to
try
to
be
more
involved,
raise
awareness
and
advocate
in
that
realm.
S
S
So
I'm
trying
to
shift
my
career
and
both
personally
and
professionally
in
this
area
and
kind
of
move
from
like
civil
litigation
and
advocacy
more
hands-on,
with
clients
to
more
community-centered
work
in
the
area
of
racial
justice.
L
Hi
miss
harkis
harkness.
Thank
you
for
coming
today
and
congratulations
to
you
on
your
recent
accomplishments
that
you
just
mentioned.
My
question,
for
you
is
we've
seen
a
spike
in
violence
in
2020.
What
changes
or
improvements
would
you
like
to
see
happen
to
hopefully
lead
to
some
resolution
to
these
issues.
S
So
I
would,
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
a
more
community-centered
approach
beyond
just
like
the
political
legislative
type
of
things
that
are
happening
right
now.
I
think
that
we
really
have
to
be
very
hands-on
with
community
and
actually
get
the
community
input
in
a
way
that
makes
the
community
actually
feel
like
we're
being
transparent
and
like
and
that
we
are
actually
hearing
them
and
that
we
are
valuing
their
voices
and
opinions.
C
You
good
evening
melody
thank
you
for
applying
for
this
and
I'm
sorry
for
the
loss
of
your
brother.
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
very
impactful
in
your
you're
working
on
this
committee.
You
mentioned
outside
the
political
process.
C
S
Well,
I
think,
from
the
community
perspective,
the
answer
would
be
yes,
especially
if
you
guys
are
are
hand-picked
by
other.
You
know,
elected
officials.
S
C
Thank
you.
I
mean
we're
trying
to
get
more
people
from
the
community
involved
and
I
don't
want
to
be
looked
at
well.
Here's
another
common
council
thing,
because
it's
not
really
that
it's
just
it
had
to
start
someplace
and
go
from
there.
So
just
so
you
know
that,
and
if
you
talk
to
anybody
about
it,
that's
that's
our
intent.
You
know
that's
not
political
at
all.
It
should
not
be.
Thank
you.
No
problem.
G
My
name's
tom
hoey,
I'm
on
the
council,
yeah
I'm
waiting
for
my
son
to
finish
playing
soccer.
So
that's
why
I'm
out
in
the
car
for
most
of
this
meeting,
this
committee
is
kind
of
new.
It's
it's
a
new
concept
and
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
blank
slate
and
I've
told
the
other
applicants
it's
sort
of
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together
as
you're
flying
it.
G
So
we
don't
know
what
the
time
commitment
is
going
to
be,
but
myself,
I
can
imagine
right
before
the
summer
we're
going
to
really
need
to
the
committee's
really
going
to
need
to
meet
a
lot
and
come
up
with
ideas
to
prevent
violence
over
the
summer.
Will
you
be
able
to
put
the
time
in
if
needed,
for
that
for
the
committee
and
maybe
subcommittees
committees
out
of
it?
I
was
just
wondering
how
you
feel
about
that.
S
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
application
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
am
sorry
for
us
as
councilman.
I
go
sorry
for
your
loss
and
I
know
that
when
you
lose
family
members,
it's
not
the
same.
So
you
know.
I
am
sorry
that
you
had
that
experience.
K
I
am
grateful
that
you're
willing
to
to
take
that
pain
and
that's
that
that
loss
and
sadness
do
something
positive
with
it
to
try
to
make
it
so
other
people
don't
feel
that
same
pain
in
the
future.
So
I
appreciate
that
you're
here
my
questions,
a
simple
one:
how
do
you
how?
How
do
you
work
with
individuals
that
you
may
not
always
agree
with?
K
We
are
looking
to
put
a
group
together
of
individuals
from
different
perspective,
different
backgrounds,
different
skill
sets-
and
you
know
when
you,
when
you
do
something
like
that.
Everybody
may
not
have
the
same
background,
but
everyone
at
the
table
has
something
to
offer
that
others,
you
know,
may
not
always
see
right
at
first.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
deal
with
the
you
know,
working
with
individuals?
You
may
not
normally
agree
with.
S
Well,
for
me,
I
I
listen
with
the
intent
to
understand
versus
just
trying
to
make
whatever
point
I
need
to
make
or
make
myself
right
or
debate
someone.
So
that's
that's.
I
think
what
works
best
with
me
and
being
a
diversity
consultant.
I
have
to
do
this
with
other
groups
with
other
businesses
and
their
employees
and
facilitated
conversation
remain
impartial
and
make
sure
everyone's
voice
is
heard
as
the
facilitator.
S
So
for
me,
I
try
to
conduct
myself
in
that
way
as
well,
where
even
if
there
is
something
I
don't
disagree
with
I
mean
I
can
articulate
that,
but
there
shouldn't
be
any
issues
stemming
from
it.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Miss
heart
miss!
So
I'm
just
looking
at
your
resume.
How
long
have
you
been
in
the
area.
B
Four
and
a
half
years,
okay,
so
yeah
like
to
see
you
work
with
legal
aid.
She
probably
engaged
some
community
folks
in
that,
but,
aside
from
work,
your
work
life
will
any
community
engagement
in
your
personal
life.
S
Yes,
so
community
engagement,
I
mean,
like
I
like
to
develop
projects
community
projects.
Just
on
my
own
and
my
personal
time,
the
most
recent
one
I
did
was
back.
In
august
I
hosted
organized
a
backpack
giveaway,
for
you
know
children
and
their
parents
to
come
pick
up
backpacks
to
still
promote
excitement
for
school,
although
they
weren't
going
to
school
in
person.
S
So
that's
just
like
one
example.
I
also
organized
to
help
these
young
little
black
girls
run
a
lemonade
stand
over
the
summer.
That
was
a
very
great
experience
for
those
two.
They
got
a
lot
of
love
from
the
community
as
well
as
a
little
bit
of
press
as
well.
So
for
me,
my
I
feel,
like
my
entire
life,
my
career
has
been
kind
of
like
dedicated
to
community
development,
but
so
has
my
personal
life.
S
I'm
constantly
thinking
of
ways
to
give
back
to
the
community,
which
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
built
my
company
in
the
first
place,
is
because
I
wanted
to
be
a
resource.
I
want
to
be
able
to
grow
the
business,
so
I
can't
offer
employment
to
youth
and
disadvantage
underrepresented
groups
specifically
in
this
community.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chairman
first,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
in
the
city
of
albany,
and
also
your
interests
on
serving
on
the
task
force.
My
I
have
two
questions
today,
but
the
first
one
is
more
so
from
your
experience
in
your
field.
Can
you
share
how
the
pandemic
crisis
has
exacerbated
the
violence
in
our
communities.
S
Well,
as
a
legal
legal
aid
advocate,
I
feel
like
there
was
a
we've.
I've
encountered
a
lot
of
people
who
lost
employment
during
this
pandemic,
I
mean,
I
would
say,
90
of
the
clients
that
I
interacted
with
this
year
had
lost
in
portland
stemming
back
to
march
soon,
as
soon
as
everything
kind
of
went
down
so
and
the
issues
with
unemployment
like
yes,
some
people
got
it
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
still
waiting
on
benefits,
so
we're
talking
about
people
who
can't
support
their
households
and
have
no
control
over.
S
You
know
we're
in
a
unprecedented
time.
At
this
point,
so
I
think
violence
is
exacerbated
when
people
are
desperate
to.
You
know
find
a
means
of
income
to
sustain
their
households
for
what,
and
so
I
think,
yeah
there's
the
and
that's
why.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
information
and
resources
dispersed
throughout
the
community.
S
D
S
I
mean
what
does
the
data
say
right?
I'm
not.
I
mean
I
think
that
marginalized
groups
are
definitely
affected
more,
especially
during
this
crisis
as
well
compared
to
others.
So
it
is
likely
that
that
could
be
the
case.
D
B
You,
okay,
no
other
members.
I
have
questions
we'll
close
out.
Mrs
harkness,
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
B
So
we
have
interviews
a
coup,
one
or
two
more
left
for
tonight.
We're
gonna
do
some
interviews
tomorrow,
make
some
choices
and
then
try
try
to
work
on
setting
up
a
preliminary
meeting.
I
think
we're
shooting
for
the
beginning
of
january
just
to
be
realistic.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
interest
and
your
time
and
willingness
to
volunteer
in
again
sorry
for
your
loss.
It
again
as
a
as
a
child
of
both
the
victim
and
perpetrator
of
gun
violence.
It
never.
It
never
goes
away,
and
so
I
feel
your
pain.
But
thank
you
right.
C
B
Yeah
yeah
we
may
as
well
just
keep
it
rolling.
C
I
I
made
the
mistake
of
reading
this
gentleman's
resume
and
then
right,
just
printing
out
the
cover
letter.
It's
it's.
I
don't
know
it
makes
you
think.
What
do
you
hear
it.
C
B
B
You're
we
can't
hear
you
looks
like.
I
Mr
joseph,
you
have
to
I'll
give
your
computer
or
device
authority
to
for
the
sound.
L
B
B
G
Okay,
if
it
is
a
zoom
meeting,
he
should
be
able
to
call
in
with
his
phone
and
that
way
we
could
all
hear
him.
O
B
O
B
Okay,
so
you're
good,
can
you
see
me
or
no,
I
can
say
I
can
see
you
perfect?
Okay,
all
right,
so
so
I'm
kelly,
kimbrough,
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee
for
the
council.
B
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
in
being
a
part
of
and
joining
the
violence
task
force,
just
looking
at
your
history
resume
and
that
you
sent
me
a
letter
back
a
couple
months
back
reading
your
your
story,
it's
it's
compelling
and
you
seem
to
be
just
the
kind
of
person
that
we
need
to
be
a
part
of
these
discussions
working
on
this
task
force.
So
what
I'll
do
is?
I
will?
Are
you
frozen.
B
Yeah
you
got
that
still
thing
down.
I
thought
you
were
frozen,
but
but
so
what
I'll
do
now
is
I'll?
Have
you
just
kind
of
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
why
you
want
to
be
on
the
task
force
and
then,
after
that
I'll
have
council
members
ask
you
questions
so
just
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you
in
in
music.
R
Hey
my
name
is
my
name:
is
danielle
joseph
my
life
has
been
spent.
R
R
R
I
don't
want
to
see
other
families
have
to
suffer
like
I
have
suffered.
I
know
I
can
make
a
difference,
because
what
we're
trying
to
do,
I
am
one
of
those
people.
I
have
been
one
of
those.
I
am
a
survivor
and
I
want
other
people
to
survive.
I
know
how
it
is
in
prison.
I
know
the
problems
you
can
ask
me
some
questions
about
gangs
and
I'll
give
you
an
answer.
R
And
I
know
I
can
make
a
difference
and
I'm
not
just
trying
to
do
this.
Now
I've
been
trying
to
do
this.
Even
when
I
was
in
prison,
I've
met
you
before
I've
been
to
city
hall,
I've
talked
I've
been
trying
my
best
to
help,
because
every
time
I
hear
of
a
young
man,
a
young
woman
or
anybody
is
violence
in
the
streets
I
feel
guilty.
I
suffer
because
I
know
I
should
have
did
something
and
I
have
been
trying
trying.
I
have
been
going
to
churches,
I
have
been
talking
on
street
corners.
R
B
Okay,
so
thank
thank
you,
sir.
You
have
a
lot
to
offer
so
we'll
we'll
start
having
the
council
members.
Ask
you
a
question:
if
you
want
us
to
see
you
kind
of
got
your
hand
partially
over
the
camera,
so
we
can't.
We
can't
see
you
but
we'll
go
to
the
next
council
member,
miss
frederick
for
your
question.
L
Hi,
mr
joseph
thank
you
for
being
here
and,
and
thank
you
for
that.
Well
incredible,
incredible
background
there
and
being
able
to
turn
that
in
everything
you
did
and
want
to
help
and
service
what
you've
gone
through.
So
I
definitely
appreciate
you
being
here
and
think
that
that
is
an
attribute
that
we
would
like
to
see
on
on
this
body.
So
my
question
is
in
the
city
of
albany,
particularly,
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
violence
within
2020.
L
R
Certain
elements
come
in
whether
it's
drugs,
whether
it's
certain
violence,
whether
it's
a
different
culture.
So
it's
it's
something
that
you
have
to
be
a
top
of
to
know
how
to
address
it,
because
if
you
try
to
address
certain
problems
from
the
old
playbook
you're
going
to
get
the
same
problem
so
how
to
alleviate
the
problem,
you
have
to
talk.
You
have
to
have
an
open
forum
with
certain
violent
people,
but
not
in
the
in
the
in
the
manner
as
you
given
like
in
gangs,
for
instance.
R
R
It's
ways
that
you
have
to
talk.
It's
ways
that
you
have
to
demoralize.
It's
ways
that
you
have
to
put
the
seed.
There
see
a
lot
of
these
young
people
out
here
involved
in
this
madness.
They
don't
know.
What's
gonna,
what's
gonna
happen
when
they
go
to
prison,
they
think
they're.
Gonna
have
cellular
phones
a
lot
of
them
think
because
there's
four
or
five
of
them
that
they're
tough
one
of
three
of
them
is
going
to
tell
on
the
other.
R
R
You
don't
heal
nobody.
Unless
you
teach
and
learn
along
with
them.
They
cannot
be
a
secular
society.
It
has
to
be
all
of
us
involved.
I
don't
have
the
answer.
I
have
only
a
part
of
the
solution
to
this
problem.
I
am
a
team
player
and
it
takes
a
team
player
to
work
together
to
go
to
the
high
schools
to
go
to
the
elementary
schools.
So
they
can
know
that
what
they're
doing
is
wrong.
We
have
commercials
all
day,
long,
tell
you
don't
smoke.
R
R
I
don't
know
if
you
ever
heard
of
him
but
took
was
a
good
person,
and
I
know
if
I
can
continue
his
work
in
the
work
of
others
to
help
somebody,
then
that
makes
me
feel
good
and
I'll
be
able
to
at
least
have
some
peace
and
let
my
life
be
mean
and
something
to
help.
Somebody,
and
if
I
don't
get
this
position,
I'ma
still
be
there,
because
it's
my
nature,
I
didn't
come
out
here.
R
B
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mr
joseph
next,
mr
ago,.
C
Thank
you!
So
much
for
just
being
you
and
telling
us
you've
been
in
education
right
here
already
and
you
saying
you're,
a
team
member
you're,
a
member
that
should
be
on
this
team,
we're
putting
together.
C
C
C
G
Welcome
hi
mr
joseph
I
just
got
in,
I
was
driving.
I
was
listening
to
you.
I
I
didn't
see
your
video
till
now,
I'm
back
in
my
house.
My
son
is
13
and
he
was
sitting
in
the
car.
I
was
driving
him
home
from
soccer
and
he
heard
you
and
he
said
to
me
dad
this
guy
is
fantastic,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
you
impressed
my
son
and
that's
a
good
thing
and
that's
why
we
definitely
need
somebody
like
you
on
this
on
this
task
force.
So
thank
you
for
applying.
G
I
do
have
to
ask
you
a
question,
though,
because
I
asked
everybody
the
same
question.
So
we
get
like
a
fair.
You
know
feedback
from
everybody.
G
This
committee
is
relatively
new.
There's
you
know
it's.
Never
we
haven't
done
this
before,
and
I've
told
everybody
else.
It's
like
flying
a
plane
and
putting
it
together.
At
the
same
time,
we
don't
know
what
the
time
commitment
is
going
to
be,
but
we
do
have
an
objective
of
trying
to
stop
the
violence
over
the
summer.
So
in
my
own
imagination
you
know
the
fall.
G
I
mean
the
spring
is
going
to
be
really
heavy
with
meetings
and
maybe
subcommittees
do
you
have
the
time
and
to
commit-
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
I'd
just
like
to
hear
it.
Thank
you.
R
K
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
applying
and
and
being
able
to
give
the
time
for
this.
I
also
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
give
you
my
condolences
for
the
pain
that
you've
lived
through.
You
know
throughout
your
life
but,
like
I
said
before,
I
think
it
it's
horrible
that
you're
taking
this
pain
and
and
these
experiences
and
you're
looking
to
do
something
positive
to
make
sure
others
don't
feel
that
pain
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that.
K
I,
I
think
my
wife
still
has
the
number
one
spot
of
best
decision
I've
ever
made,
but
I
can
tell
you
you
probably
want
my
top
10
on
the
council,
so
I
I
thank
you
for
for
doing
this.
I
thank
you
for
for
being
willing
to
put
yourself
and
give
your
time
in
this
role.
Like
tom
said.
K
I
do
have
to
ask
you
a
question
because
we're
asking
everybody
questions
and
my
question's
a
simple
one:
how
how
do
you
work
with
individuals
from
different
perspectives
from
different
viewpoints,
individuals
that
you
may
not
always
agree
with,
but
that
you're
coming
together
as
a
as
a
group
to
try
to
find
a
way.
It
means
to
try
to
move
out
city
into
a
better
position.
R
When
I'm
said
team
player,
you
have
to
be
a
better
listener
than
your
talker,
so
you
have
to
weigh
everybody.
You
have
to
have
an
open
mind
if
you
don't
have
an
open
mind,
you're
only
going
to
see
one
side
of
a
fed,
so
you
won't
make
a
good
decision,
no
matter
what
it
is,
because
you're
only
seeing
one
side,
so
you
have
to
be
open
to
hear
all
sides
and
everything.
R
B
Yes,
mr
joseph,
so
you
have
a
compelling
story.
Do
you
get
out
into
the
community
and
talk
to
any
kids
or
groups
community
groups
about
the
hazards
of
that
life.
R
R
R
R
I
have
an
obligation
to
give
back
for
all
the
lives.
That's
been
lost.
I
have
obligations
for
that.
I
have
obligations
to
the
principal
in
prison
because
I've
been
a
person
I
want.
If
I
come
out
here
and
don't
stop
other
ones
from
going
back
to
prison
and
going
into
prison,
then
hey
my
life
has
been
a
total
failure.
R
We
want
to
stop
them
from
going
to
prison.
We
want
to
stop
them
from
hurting
each
other
if
they
want
to
compete
with
each
other
compete
on
cars
compete
on
trees.
You
grow
in
your
yard,
compete
on
something
that
gives
life
these
youngsters,
and
everybody
has
to
learn
that
you
supposed
to
give
back
to
the
world
more
than
what
you
brought
into
it
contribute
know
and
take
pride
in
your
neighborhood.
R
My
neighborhood
was
a
good
neighborhood
before
the
violence
came
just
yesterday.
I
was
talking
to
one
of
my
homeboys.
Who
was
we
had
a
little
thing.
We
just
call
ourselves
the
60th
street
raiders.
Now
every
one
of
the
raiders
was
able
to
escape
the
gang
violence
that
I
I
unfortunately
what
them
they
was
judges,
doctors,
they
all
had
education,
but
I
got
caught
up
in
the
gangs.
R
R
Yes,
I
can
help.
Yes,
I
can
help
and,
yes,
I
will
help
and
whatever
meeting
it
takes,
however
long
it
takes.
This
is
what
I
want
to
do.
I
have
a
hundred
percent
commitment
to
this
to
everything,
a
concern
in
this
violence.
This
is
donald.
This
is
what
I
want
to
do.
I
can't
express
it
more
than
what
I'm
stressing
now.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
can
see
and
hear
your
passion
I
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
interest.
I'm
gonna
got
one
last
council
member
to
ask.
D
Questions,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
interest
in
serving
on
this
task
force.
Just
looking
at
your
resume.
Your
cover
letter
is
really
impressive
and
just
a
passion.
I
just
see
it
right
there
and
I
think
that
that's
the
type
of
people
that
we
need
on
this
task
force
the
individuals
who
are
going
to
bring
that
energy
and
passion
and
shake
things
up
so
shake
things
up.
You
know
when
they
want
you
to
turn
it
down.
You
turn
it
up
a
little
bit
more.
D
R
B
D
B
Yeah,
yes,
sir,
so
this
is
the
end
of
our
questioning.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
B
I
knew
that
I
started
to
put
that
out
there
before
yes,
we're
looking
at
conducting
interviews
today
and
tomorrow
and
making
some
choices,
selections
and
then
hopefully,
the
first
sec
prep
realistically
second
week
of
january
or
you'll,
hear
from
us
before
then,
but
probably
no
sooner
than
the
second
week
of
january
for
for
getting
started
and
trying
to
work
on
an
initial
meeting.
So
but
but
thank
you
for
your
your
interest
and
your
passion.
B
K
E
B
Right,
no,
I
seth
rigvert
right
yeah,
yeah.
M
B
You
you
with
us,
mr
rigberg.
T
M
G
T
B
Yeah
we're
good
we're
good.
So
are
you
situated
or
okay,
so
hey?
My
name
is
kelly
kimbrough,
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
public
safety
committee
here
on
the
council.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
joining
the
the
violence
prevention
task
force.
What
I'll
have
you
do
is
give
an
intro.
Let
us
know
why
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
task
force,
after
which
council
members
will
ask
a
few
questions.
T
Yeah
well,
this
is
something
like
I
said
in
the
resume:
I've
been
working
for
the
county
out
of
the
family
court
since
1999
and
part
of
the
work
I
do
is
evaluating
kids,
who
are
juvenile
offender.
Well,
now,
juvenile
offenders,
delinquents
and
pens,
kids
and
I've
been
concerned
about
this
for
a
long
time,
because
there
are
with
too
many
kids
who
are
throwaway
kids
and
I
don't
think
the
problem
or
the
obstacles
that
face
these
kids
are
insurmountable.
T
If
there's
a
concerted
effort
from
society
and
the
community
to
make
changes
in
the
way
the
kids
are
treated
and
I'm
not
the
only
one,
I've
been
talking
the
probation
office.
A
lot
of
people
are
very
frustrated
about
the
lack
of
options
for
the
children
who
are
becoming
involved
in
the
juvenile
justice
system.
T
The
extreme,
which
is
what
people
are
concerned
about,
is
the
violence
of
gun
violence.
The
the
the
problem
starts
way
before
that
and
if
it's
dealt
with
early
on,
most
of
the
kids
who
get
caught
up
in
violence
would
not
get
caught
up
in
violence,
so
I've
been
trying
to
get
people
in
not
everybody's
interested.
It's
a
question
of
where
you
go
with
it.
While
I
was
working
for
all
I'm
working
for
albany
county,
I
didn't
want
to
try
to
get
anything
going
county-wide
because
I
thought
that
might
be
a
problem.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
sir
miss
frederick.
L
Thank
you,
mr
rigberg.
My
question
for
you
is:
we've
seen
an
increase
in
violence
in
year,
2020.
What
changes
or
improvements
would
you
like
to
see
made
to
hopefully
mitigate
these
issues.
T
T
So
it's
still
an
issue
of
putting
resources
in
the
community
that
are
not
there.
Kids,
get
excited
about
their
rap
music,
about
writing
poetry,
about
acting
about
all
sorts
of
things.
Besides
sports,
a
lot
of
kids
don't
want
to
get
into
sports.
It
requires
too
much
discipline,
but
the
the
opportunities
that
make
life
exciting
for
middle
class,
kids,
the
kids
in
guilderland
or
del
mar
whatever
need
to
be
introduced
to
inner
city
albany
kids,
so
that
they
find
other
ways
to
be
excited
besides
being
attracted
to
violence.
T
So
I
know
with
the
snug
program:
they
stop
the
you
know,
retribution
and
this,
and
that
and
the
feuding
that's
fine,
but
then
the
kids
need
something
to
do
with
themselves.
So
what
do
you
go?
What
what
are
they
going
to
do?
We
have
to
give
the
kids
something
to
do
it
becomes
a
it.
It's
it's
a
habit.
T
It's
really
an
addiction
with
the
violence
and
you
have
to
substitute
one
habit
with
another
habit,
so
we
need
to
create
alternatives
for
them,
so
they
have
outlets
for
their
energy
and
their
feeling
that
they
can
be
in
do
something
without
turning
to
violence.
In
order
to
express
that,
I
don't
find
it
an
easy
answer.
I
know
the
snug
program
works
and
I'm
you're
familiar
with
the
medical
model
of
violence,
but
you
need
to
be
able
to
find
the
substitute
for
what
the
kids
are
doing
and
that,
I
think,
is
a.
C
I
really
have
no
questions,
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
the
gentleman
says.
I
think
the
the
enticement
that
they
have
bad
habits
have
to
be
changed,
and
I
hope,
if
he's
on
this
board,
that
he
can
talk
to
people
who
know
some
of
the
other
side
of
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
I
think
you'd
be
a
good
plus.
I'm
sorry.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah
hi
dr
rick
rigberg
again
I
it's
the
first
time
I've
heard
an
explanation
about
the
adrenaline
high
and
that
you
know
makes
kind
of
sense.
My
question
is,
you
know
it's
based
on
that
this
task
force
this
committee
is
really
we
haven't
tried
something
like
this
before
we've
tried
other
variants,
but
this
is
brand
new
and
I've
told
the
other
applicants.
It's
like
building
a
plane
as
you're
flying
it,
and
you
know
we
don't
know
what
the
time
commitments
are
going
to
be.
G
But
you
know
the
goal
of
this
task
force
is
that
to
try
to
quell
the
violence
this
summer.
So
in
my
own
mind,
I'm
thinking
that
in
the
spring
there's
going
to
probably
be
a
lot
of
meetings,
a
lot
of
maybe
subcommittees,
and
so
my
question
is
is:
do
you
have
the
time
to
put
into
this?
You
know
it
could
get
time
intensive.
So
that's
my
question.
T
T
K
Yes,
thank
you
for
applying.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
my
question's,
a
basic
one,
we're
looking
to
put
together
a
team
of
different
individuals
from
different
backgrounds,
different
perspective,
different
life
experiences,
or
how
good
are
you
at
working
with
individuals
that
you
may
not
always
agree
with,
and
you
may
not
always
understand
their
their
viewpoints.
T
T
I
kind
of
coordinate
all
that
when
things
get
stuck,
I
try
to
see
what
the
problems
are
to
push
it
along.
I
I've
always
if,
if
you
work
with
kids,
you're,
always
working
as
part
of
a
group,
a
community
of
of
of
other
people
involved,
so
yeah,
I'm
very
used
to
that.
Sometimes
people
listen
to
me
most
of
the
time.
You
know
it
goes
with
the
flow.
T
If,
if
you're,
still,
whether
you
take
me
or
not,
it
doesn't
matter,
but
you
you
you
you
might.
I
mean
it
matters
to
me,
but
I'm
saying
this
anyway
that
there's
the
only
african-american
officer
with
kids,
the
juvenile
probation
officer,
would
be
very
helpful
for
your
committee
he's
a
big
guy.
He
gets
on
the
streets,
he's
not
afraid
of
messing
up
with
the
kids
and
he
really
knows
what's
happening.
He
knows
all
the
all
the
families,
all
the
problem,
families
you
might
be
interested
in.
You
know
that
as
well.
T
B
For
us
to
have,
we
need
a
a
well-rounded
group,
a
lot
of
different
viewpoints,
education.
We
need
diversity
in
this
group
and
that
I
mean.
B
It
you
would
add
to
it.
So
so
what
I?
What
my
question
is
you
you,
you
you're
engaging
some
of
these
communities
and
your
work.
Do
you
do
you
do
it
in
your
personal
life?
You
have
any
interaction
with
with
any
of
the
groups
that
we're
talking
about
or
looking
to
impact
in
your
non-professional
life.
T
I
don't
have
time
actually
I've
got.
I've
got
a
daughter
lives
nearby,
with
two
grand
two
little
kids,
her
husband,
it's
just
not
enough.
I
I
also
have
other
jobs.
I
mean
I've
always
done
at
least
you
know
with
two
and
a
half
other
jobs.
So
I
I
don't
have
time.
I
put
it
all
in
my
work,
but
now
that
I'm
retiring
and
working
part-time,
I
can
get
involved
right.
T
B
Okay
is
mr
inani
looks
like
he
left
the
conversation.
B
Did
he
so
I'll?
Ask
mr
inani's
question?
It
was
another
council
member
that
was
on
before
he
got
on
that's
the
violence
in
the
city.
Do
you
believe
it's
governmental
shortcoming
or
personal
responsibility.
T
Whoa
you're
talking
about
kids,
so
it's
personal
responsibility
in
the
sense
that
they're
the
ones
who
decide
to
do
what
they
do
but
they're
the
kids
are.
I
you
know.
I
say
this
about
all
kids,
so
I
don't
want
this
to
be
misunderstood.
You
know,
kids
are
stupid,
they're
they're!
They
they
aren't.
You
know
they.
They
don't
know
how
to
make
good
choices
because
their
brains
aren't
developed
well
and
they're
very
much
in
the
moment,
and
they
are
very
much
governed
by
emotions
because
that's
kids
get.
T
T
T
So
it's
a
choice,
but
it's
a
choice
they
should
not
be
allowed
to
make,
and
the
problem
is
that
with
the
neglect
of
the
government
in
this
sense
of
not
having
enough
services
not
having
enough
educational
alternatives,
because
the
kids
are
not
interested
in
school.
It's
not
their
fault
if
they're
not
interested
something's
wrong
with
the
educational
system
and
a
lot
of
people
study
that
the
guns
should
not
be
available.
The
drugs
should
not
be
available.
The
government
lets
that
happen.
T
T
T
So
that's
I
think
it's
you
know
the
fault
of
the
government
in
a
sense
or
us,
the
taxpayers,
not
the
one
to
fund
programs
for
children,
and
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
teach
the
kids
to
make
better
decisions.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
for
that,
sir.
So,
with
that
that
ends
our.
I
B
T
Not
really,
no,
I'm
just
interested
well
yeah
one.
How
much
support
are
you
getting
from
the
mayor
in
the
mayor's
office
and
the
legislature?
Is
there
actually,
you
know
going
to
be
an
effort
to
ask
the
governor
for
more
funding
for
programs
or
is
it
just
is
it
I
don't
mean
this
in
a
derogatory
sense?
Is
it
just
being
you
know,
so
everybody
feels
good
as
if
something's
being
done,
I
don't
mean
you
guys,
but
you
know
the
politicians
who
determine
that
they
want
this
I
mean
are:
is
it
actually
you're
gonna?
B
So
for
our
end
in
this,
this
is
our
effort.
We
we're
responsible
for
the
city,
we're
the
legislators
of
the
city.
We
we
we're
dealing
with
this
violence.
We
we
have
a
responsibility
to
the
citizens
of
the
city,
and
so
this
is
our
effort
to
to
to
do
something
better.
Could
some
funding
come
down
the
line?
Yeah?
B
Maybe
but,
however,
as
a
part
of
our
equity
agenda,
which
this
violence
prevention
task
force
is,
there
is
funding
associated
with.
There
will
be,
we
don't
have
an
amount
yet
because
this
thing
we're
building
it
as
we
go,
so
we
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
need.
So
we
didn't
want
to
get
ahead
of
ourselves,
but
there
will
be
a
dedicated
budget
line
in
the
city
of
albany's
budget
for
the
violence
prevention
task
force.
Well,.
T
C
B
So
yeah
do
we
don't
have
any
more.
B
The
the
app
the
applicants
that
didn't
participate
so
the
you
said,
john
johnson.
M
B
Yeah
that'd
be
that'd,
be
helpful
and
miss
ferguson
never
answered.
I
mean
I
would
say,
just
take
another
shot
at
it
when
you
just
give
her
a
call
tomorrow,
let's
see
if
she's
still
interested
and
give
her
the
opportunity,
at
least,
but
beyond
that
I
mean
what
are
we
gonna
do.
I
think
we
got
a
pretty
good
group
that
we
I
mean
we
we
we
really
and
and
they're
it's
diverse.
They
all
bring
something
different
to
the
table
into
the
conversation.
B
So
I
really
like,
like
the
the
group,
so
I
guess
at
this
point
unless
we
were
gonna,
go
off,
live
and
have
a
further
discussion
about
the
candidates
for
a
couple
minutes
before
shutting
down.
We
could
do
that.
Otherwise,.
T
O
B
Okay,
thank
you.
We're
back
in
our
public
safety
meeting
from
our
executive
session,
discussing
the
applicants
to
the
violence
prevention
task
force,
and
it
was
a
good
meeting.
Had
some
good
applicants
look
forward
to
doing
this
with
you
all
tomorrow.
So
if
no
one
has
any
other
questions
or
comments
like
motion
to
adjourn
motion.