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A
A
Item
two
and
look
Lobby
is
table
that
requesting
sponsor
item
three
public
transport
Professor
sponsor
item
five.
Is
the
men
in
resolution
number
41
for
2023
regarding
the
2020
of
explosive
detection?
Canine
grant
program
this
evening
is
four.
D
D
Tonight
so,
thank
you
all.
This
is
just
we're
asking
for
an
extension,
a
one-year
extension.
This
is
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
Grant,
no
matching
funds,
but
unfortunately
we're
not
going
to
expend
be
able
to
expend
it
due
to
the
availability
of
vehicles,
production
delays,
so
we're
just
asking
for
a
delay.
That's
all.
C
A
D
D
This
is
a
sixteen
thousand
dollar
Grant
we'd
like
to
apply
for
and
receive
we're
the
fiduciary
agent
for
the
Capital
District
HazMat
team
this
year.
What
we'd
like
to
take
the
sixteen
thousand
dollars
for
is
get
a
tanker
and
now
fit
it
into
basically
a
leaky
tanker.
So
we
can
train
on
how
to
to
attack
the
tanks
when
they're
leaking.
That's
all
I
got
on
that
I
can't.
D
A
D
Is
just
simply
requesting
authorization
to
enter
into
our
Governor's
Traffic
Safety
Committee,
it's
a
one-year
Grant
and
the
grant
we
partially
fund
the
DA's
specialized
DWI
prosecutor,
Albany
County
Probation
specialized
DWI,
probation
education,
awareness,
rehab,
public
information.
It's
keep
our
roadways
safe,
our
stop
DWI
Grant.
D
Services
this
year,
the
governor
increased
the
give
the
give
award
for
Albany
County,
and
we
have
gotten
back
involved
with
the
give
award
our
share
this
year.
With
your
permission
is
253
100.,
it's
two
offset
part-time
member
in
the
crime
analysis
Center
and
to
pay
for
some
of
the
Albany
overtime.
D
H
Good
evening,
this
also
is
gone
and
violence,
violence,
elimination,
Act
issued
by
DCJS,
New,
York
State,
and
it's
a
partnership
with
the
district
attorney
Sheriff's
Department,
the
Albany
Police
New
York
state
division
of
Criminal
Justice
service
to
reduce
gun
violence
in
Albany
County
and
we've
had
this
grant
for
several
years.
A
I
This
Wendy's,
you
don't
have
this
presentation.
I
Before
before
he
comes
in
can
I
have
a
quick
question
for
the
sheriff.
Yes,
do
we
have
an
update
regarding
the
Albany.
D
Safe
cam
program,
not
that
I'm
aware
of
I-
think
that's
kind
of
just
been
left
out
there
right
now.
We're
gonna
have
to
have
a
kind
of
probably
another
meeting
on
it.
Yep.
J
Item
10,
we
have
before
you
quest
for
legislative
action
with
respect
to
our
crimes
against
Revenue
Grant.
This
is
a
grant
that
we
continue
to
receive
from
the
division
of
Criminal
Justice
Services.
The
grant
is
designed
to
hire
prosecutors
for
the
specific
purposes
of
pursuing
exactly
what
it
says:
crimes
against
Revenue,
it's
our
New
York
State,
the
taxes
and
a
lot
of
our
agencies
that
come
to
us,
given
our
unique
jurisdiction
to
pursue
tax
related
cases
and
other
crimes
that
affect
Revenue
coming
into
the
state
and
local
government.
J
C
C
E
We
saw
Gill
earlier
by
the
way
so
I'm
here,
mostly
as
just
a
human
being
largely.
We
need
your
help.
We
don't
need
monetary
help.
We
don't
need
much
of
your
time
if
any
of
it
at
all.
We
need
advocacy
because
there
is
an
emergency
in
the
streets
that
is
exclusive
to
young
black
males
almost
entirely,
and
you
all
can
actually
help
us
fix
that
problem.
I
know
I,
wasn't
here
at
the
last
meeting,
but
raise
the
age
came
up
and
we
want
data.
We
want
evidence.
E
We
want
a
lot
to
work
off
of
to
adjust
to
how
raise
the
age
is
affecting
people-
hey,
Wanda,
good,
to
see
you
I'm
glad
you're
here,
because
this
I
think
is
something
that
would
resonate
with
you
more
than
anyone
else,
because
we've
had
other
conversations
about
this
before
you
came
up
to
see
us
and
I
know:
Patty
wanted
information
on
raise
the
age.
It
is
a
flat
out
disaster
and
it
is
not
really
up
for
debate
whether
or
not
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
E
What's
really
up
for
debate
is
how
to
fix
it
and
how
quickly?
If
we
have
a
unified
voice
on
the
county
level
to
fix
these
problems,
then
we
can
actually
literally
save
lives,
and
unfortunately,
there
was
a
homicide
on
Saturday.
That's
one
of
the
lives
we
could
have
saved
if
this
law
were
not
written.
The
way
it
is
so
Josh
has
just
some
of
the
numbers
from
just
really
when
it's
been
warm
outside,
not
the
whole
entirety
of
since
2018,
but
we
can
get
to
that
if
you'd,
like
yeah.
E
We
certainly
can
provide
a
coverage.
I
can
email.
All
of
you,
I
didn't
want
to
spam.
You
with
paper,
but
if
you
want
I
can
send
it
to
you
literally
right
now.
L
K
So,
for
the
month
of
beginning
of
May
to
the
all
the
way
up
to
right
now,
we
have
a
total
of
33
cases,
21
of
them
being
violent
with
18
violent
offenders
on
it.
We
have
13
of
those
cases
involving
a
gun
and
in
out
of
those
13
cases,
five
of
them
the
gun
was
discharged,
we're
looking
at.
If
you
wanted
to
look
at
the
non-violent
data,
as
I
said
before,
we
have
a
total
of
33
cases.
K
12
of
them
are
non-violent,
with
10
non-violent
offenders
and
that
out
of
the
whole
data,
set
we're
looking
at
a
total
of
28
people,
so
out
of
the
28
violent
felony
charges
that
are
comprised
of
the
18
people,
the
18,
violent
felony
offenders,
12
have
been
rearrested
and
out
of
those
12
that
have
been
rearrested,
four
have
been
rearrested
strictly
within
the
months
of
May
through
July,
so
we're
looking
at
out
of
the
12
violent
felony
offenders
that
have
been
rearrested
out
of
all
of
them
have
been
rearrested.
K
11
have
previously
committed
or
went
on
to
commit
one
more
violent,
felony
offense.
So
this
is
a
96
percent
of
recidivism
rate
right
here.
That
we're
looking
at
strictly
for.
E
Violent
and
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone
has
read
the
TU
over
the
past
two
days,
but
they
got
into
some
detail
about
Saturday's
homicide.
F
E
Usually,
that's
not
the
kind
of
thing
before
adjudication
that
we
would
talk
about,
but
since
it's
already
out
there
we
can
talk
about
more
detail
and
cause
and
effect.
If
you
read
that
article,
they
spelled
it
out,
but
the
D.A
has
a
further
detail
for
you.
E
J
What
what
I,
what
I
will
start?
My
statement
by
saying
and
I
I
think
that,
as
as
these
words
fall
upon
your
ear,
it
may
be
a
bit
shocking,
but
I
believe
that
we
have
the
evidence
to
support
my
Proclamation
and
my
Proclamation
is
that
New
York
State
as
a
result
of
raise
the
age
is
the
first
in
the
country
to
adopt
an
open,
carry
policy
of
illegal
guns
for
teens.
J
The
system
is
broken,
which
is
why,
when
I
say
we
are
the
first
in
the
country
to
have
an
open,
carry
policy
for
teenagers.
That
is
exactly
what
we
have.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
here
tonight
with
with
a
lot
of
different
business
to
come
before
you.
This
is
a
conversation
that
I
believe
we
need
to
to
have
and
that
we
need
to
engage
in
Thoroughly,
because
I
have
to
say
this.
J
It's
one
thing
when
random
acts
of
violence
occur
and
you
can,
if
you
can
shrug
your
shoulder
and
point
to
a
whole
host
of
issues
and
say:
okay,
you
know
it's
not
something
we
could
have
stopped.
There
is
a
young
man
whose
family
is
burying
him
this
week
because
of
a
violent
act
that
is
captured
on
film
with
audio.
We
witnessed
the
murder
of
a
young
man
at.
J
That
had
gone
through
the
family
court
raised
the
age
process
and
was
a
beneficiary
there
at
a
minimum
of
three
times,
and
we
will
be
dealing
with
that
issue
and
I,
don't
want
to
say
more.
We
will
be
dealing
with
that
issue
tomorrow
when,
when
Friday
in
Albany
County
the
courthouse,
but
as
more
details
of
that
specific
case
starts
to
to
become
more
public.
J
I
do
want
the
opportunity
to
come
back
to
you
with
more
information
so
that
you
can
perhaps
entertain
whether
it's
the
formation
of
a
commission
to
study
whatever
Services
exist
in
Family
Court,
which
I
am
saying
here,
with
no
offense
to
the
to
the
jurist
and
family
court,
with
no
offense
to
the
to
the
entire
all
the
people
that
work
in
Family
Court.
This
is
a
system
that
was
never
designed
to
handle
or
deal
with
violent
super
super,
violent,
youth
and
While.
Others
may
not
be
in
a
position
to
State
it.
J
The
Department
of
Probation,
an
exceptional
Department
of
Probation
that
we
have
in
Albany
County,
is
also
not
an
agency
that
was
ever
developed
or
designed
to
handle
the
Super
Hyper
violent
youth
that
we
currently
have,
and
so
I
can
take
your
questions
again.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
a
lot
of
the
time
that
set
aside
for
others
who
have
a
lot
of
business
before
you,
but
I
do
not
intend
for
this
to
be
the
last
conversation
that
we
have
as
a
legislative
body
about
this
specific
issue.
J
The
number
one
cause
of
death,
the
number
one
cause
of
death
in
the
United
States
of
America
for
a
young
African-American
males
between
the
ages
of
15
and
24
are
guns
are
guns
and
we
are
at
a
pace
per
capita
to
create
jaw-dropping
numbers
unless
we
take
executive
action
unless
we
take
emergency
action,
although
there
is
only
one
group
of
people
that
can
change,
this
I
have
made
calls
for
our
New
York
State
leadership.
To
return
and
address
these
issues.
J
J
L
Correctly,
almost
90
percent
of
our,
which
is
what
people
have
done
it
before
or
have
been
through
the
system.
Yes,.
L
In
you
know,
working
on
getting
them
arrested,
this.
J
Is
not
an
Albany
Police
Issue?
This
is
a
raise
the
age
issue
under
raise
the
age.
There
is
a
presumption
that
anyone
who
commits
a
crime,
be
it
violent
or
non-violent,
go
to
Family
Court.
That
is
the
presumption
we
have
to
overcome
that
presumption.
We
can
do
that
within
the
first
six
days,
but
there
has
to
be
three
elements
that
that
must
be
in
a
case
for
us
to
be
successful
in
taking
that
case
back
and
having
that
case
prosecuted
by
us,
an
adolescent
Park
so.
J
Albany
Police
have
been
doing
an
exceptional
job
at
identifying
the
individuals,
because
some
of
the
individuals
were
committing.
These
crimes
happened
to
have
ankle
bracelets
on
them,
ankle
bracelets
from
the
first
time
that
they
went
to
family
court
and
the
judges
required
probation
to
put
ankle
bracelets
on
the
Albany.
Police
Department
are
in
fact
making
these
arrests.
The
problem
is
the
law
and
the
law
that
supports
the
In
and
Out
In
and
Out
nature
and
the
emboldening
nature
of
young
people
who
are
out
there
carrying
illegal
firearms.
J
We
have
an
example
of
three
weeks
ago
of
a
young
lady
who
was
delivering
lunch
to
her
boyfriend
and
is
on
South
Pearl
Street.
The
young
lady
is
carjacked.
She
is
carjacked
by
a
guy
who
lifts
his
sweatshirt
and
displays
what
appears
to
be
to
her
to
be
a
gun
she
gives
up
the
car.
This
is
Young.
This
young
person
was
already
arrested
for
possession
of
a
firearm
that
was
litigated
in
Family
Court
and
family
court
denied
us
our
application
to
have
this
case
prosecuted
by
us.
Why?
J
Because
the
young
lady,
who
terrified
who
testified
couldn't
be
certain
that
what
she
saw
and
thought
was
a
gun
underneath
the
sweatshirt
of
this
defendant
she
couldn't
be
able
to
with
100
certainty,
say
that
it
was
a
weapon.
Thus,
the
policy
now
is
that
we
make
victims
of
crime
stare
at
their
assailant
and
we
require
them
to
actually
identify
serial
numbers
on
illicit
guns.
J
In
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
meet
our
burden,
that's
the
problem
with
the
law
and
again
we're
going
to
have
more
conversation
so
that
you
will
be
well
equipped
and
well
versed
on
the
challenges.
So
that
way,
if
you
decide
to
join
our
voice
in
calling
for
a
complete
overhaul
of
raise
the
age
you
will,
you
will
have
that
information
and
that
knowledge.
My.
L
F
L
J
But
but
we
need,
we
need
leadership
right
now
at
that
level,
right
to
sit
with
us,
I
have
here
a
diary
right,
there's
not
every
case,
that's
in
mind,
that's
in
my
diary
here,
it's
not
every
case,
it's
just
the
worst
of
the
worst.
It's
the
cases
where
we
see
the
the
shooting,
the
Gunning
down
of
a
young
man
in
front
of
the
Board
of
Elections,
a
person
who
had
loaded
firearms
on
two
prior
occasions
and
actually
shot
at
people.
J
To
my
count
to
my
account
and
I
may
be
wrong.
We
currently
have
to
date
four
deaths.
Four.
There
are
four
families
who
have
had
to
bury
their
children
because
we
failed,
we
failed
them
and-
and
we
fail
them
because
of
this
law-
young
people
who
were
Shooters
who
possess
Firearms
illegally
out
there
on
the
street.
We
couldn't
keep
them
in.
I
Yeah
I
know
the
last
time
that
you
came.
You
spoke
about
bear
reform
and
now
you're
speaking
about
raise
the
age,
but
I'll
have
a
few
questions
to
ask.
I
How
many
of
these
incidents
that
you
spoke
about?
Are
the
people,
the
suspects
or
the
yeah?
The
suspects
in
this
incident
are
within
the
ages
of
16
to
21
how
many
of
them
and
then
and
then
do
you
feel
like
this
is
more
what
you
are
talking
about,
it's
more
about
the
raise
the
age
issue,
or
is
it
more
about
a
bill
reform
issue
and.
F
I
Last
part
of
it
is
because
I
don't
want
to
come
again
last
part
of
it
is
I
know
the
Governor
Hoku
has
made
some
amendments
to
the
sign
some
amendments
to
the
bill
reform.
How
has
that
you
know
affected
anything
since
you
last
came
here
all.
J
For
example,
Sheriff
apple
and
I
hate
to
sit
here
for
like
I'm
a
spokesperson,
but
it's
done
a
fantastic
job
over
the
last
several
decades
of
transforming
the
space
within
the
Albany
County
Correctional
Facility
to
have
programs
for
people
that
were
arrested
for
a
quality
of
life
offenses
in
2019.
If
a
person
was
aggressively
panhandling
at
the
Pearl
Street
Diner,
they
would
have
summoned
the
police.
The
police
would
have
arrived,
the
police
would
have
charged
them.
The
police
would
have
had
them
arraigned
at
the
Albany
City
Court.
J
Both
defense
and
prosecutors
would
recognize
that
this
is
not
a
dangerous
person
that
the
idea
right
at
the
outset
is
to
begin
looking
for
solutions
for
this
individual.
The
time
that
they
spent
at
the
all
at
the
Albany
Correctional
Facility,
was
designed
to
have
evaluations,
assessments
and
then
connect
them
to
services.
That
has
been
one
of
the
the
the
the
specific
areas
of
tremendous
Pride
for
the
criminal
justice
system.
J
Here
in
Albany
County
now
with
bail,
you
can
hand
out
an
appearance
ticket,
so
the
business
owners
are
not
getting
the
same
kind
of
response
that
they
would
have
gotten
in
2019.
So
the
frustration
on
the
part
of
the
business
community
in
Albany
County
is
that
they
have
2019
expectations
in
a
2023
criminal
justice
environment.
J
So
it's
not
just,
for
example,
this
is
raise
the
age.
This
specifically
addresses
16
and
17
year
olds.
That's
the
only
population
we're
talking
about
when
we're
talking
about
raise
the
age
but
bail
bail
is
a
problem.
It's
a
significant
problem
because
it
eliminates
a
judge's
discretion.
Now
you
mentioned
the
proposal
that
that
the
Amendments
with
Governor
hope
to
her
credit,
she's,
literally
the
only
leader
right
now
that
we
have
in
New
York
state
that
continues
to
fight
to
make
these
amendments.
But
these
amendments,
I,
can
only
liken
to
this.
J
Judges
must
have
full
restoration
of
their
discretion.
There
are
still
ways
to
monitor
judges
in
their
decisions.
If
a
judge
is
specifically
sending
all
people
that
look
like
me,
you
know
and
setting
High
bail,
there's
a
way
to
identify
that
and
a
way
to
correct
that
right.
Maybe
it's
not
having
that
same
judge.
J
The
problem,
sir,
is
that
the
Amendments
that
have
been
made
it's
kind
of
like
walking
a
judge
into
a
jail
cell
and
closing
the
jail
doors,
but
taking
off
the
handcuffs
he
still
can't
walk
around.
You
know
freely
in
the
building.
So
that's
the
only
example
that
I
can
give
you
that
would
illustrate
that
the
changes
that
are
made
are
merely
cosmetic
and
on
the
street.
It's
not
really
having
the
effect
that
we
in
public
safety
would
like
for,
for
those
of.
J
Every
single
number
that
we've
talked
about
here
and
the
numbers
that
we
will
provide
you
because
again
this
is
a
window
of
the
last
three
months
and
the
reason
why
this
was
important
is
because,
as
you
know,
during
the
hotter
periods
of
the
of
our
summers,
where
we
really
see
the
uptick
in
and
violence
where
we
see
the
uptick
in
in
shootings.
So
that's
the
basis
for
us
collecting
this
bit
of
data
for
you,
but
we
do
have
data
stemming
all
the
way
back
from
2018
all
the
way
to
April
of
2023.
I
So
last
question:
so
your
data,
this
data,
this
number
of
incidents
that
you
gave
there
are
more
incidents
that
if
you
were
to
take
let's
say
all
issues
involving
gun,
violence
within
May
and
and
July
of
2023.
Would
there
be
more
incidents
than
what
you
have
let.
J
Me
give
you
let
me
let
me
break
that
down
for
you,
since
October
of
2018
to
the
present.
We
have
a
total
of
440
cases.
All
16
and
17.
222
are
violent
crimes
of
the
222.
All
of
those
violent
crimes
were
committed
by
173,
violent
offenders
of
all
of
those
violent
crimes,
116
so
about
half
of
the
violent
crimes
are
committed
with
illegal
guns
of
the
116
crimes
involving
illegal
guns.
J
So
it's
about
a
third
of
all
gun
violence,
gun,
violent
crimes
with
guns,
involve
a
discharge
of
the
non-violent
crimes
and,
quite
frankly,
we
have
so
much
to
do
with
violent
crimes
that
we
do
not
focus
on
young
people
who
are
committing
non-violent
offenses
Family
Court
can
have
those
but
of
the
non-violent
offenses.
There
were
166
that
took
place
in
the
last
four
years
with
the
so
the
total
is
339
people
in
the
universe
committing
440
crimes.
Obviously
those
numbers
don't
match,
so
you
realize
that
we
have
individuals
that
are
committing
multiple
crimes.
J
M
Yes,
the
the
16
and
the
17
year
olds,
okay,
now
and
they're
in
Family
Court.
This
is
what
I
want
to
get
back
to.
So
are
you
indicating
that
is
it
the
county
attorney
that
does
the
cases
in
Family
Court?
That's
that's
one
question
okay,
and
are
you
saying
that
the
laws
that
apply
to
a
16
and
a
17
year
old
are
not
utilized
in
Family
Court,
as
they
would
be
in
County
court
and
under
the
D.A
jurisdiction
of
the
Denver
County
attorney
the.
J
Answer
to
that
question
is
the
second
question
is
absolutely
yes.
The
penalties
associated
in
the
process
in
family
court
is
entirely
different.
You
take
the
event
that
just
happened
over
the
weekend.
Okay,
the
way
that
raised
the
age
works
is
this
is
obviously
a
person
that
qualifies
because
this
individual
happens
to
be
17
years
old.
J
So
once
that
takes
place
and
there
is
an
arrest,
the
Albany
Police
Department
are
bringing
that
individual
to
the
Albany
city
court
for
arraignment,
but
because
that
individual
is
17
years
old
that
individual
has
to
be
brought
before
family
court
judge
immediately
after
they
are
arraigned
in
Albany,
City
Court.
Okay,
at
that
arraignment
we
are
making
an
argument
it'll,
it's
the
district
attorney's
office
that
makes
that
General
appearance
in
Family
Court
to
make
the
argument
that
this
case
is
particularly
heinous.
It
involves
a
firearm
or
it
it
involves
some
heinous
act.
J
We
have
to
make
that
argument
within
the
first
six
days.
If
the
judge
finds
that
that
specific
case
contains
one
of
those
elements
and
the
three
elements
is
the
defendant
displayed
a
gun,
there
was
a
significant
injury
or
it
was
a
it's.
A
specific
sexual
act
if
one
of
those
three
elements
are
involved,
we
win,
we
get
to
keep
the
case
and
then
begin
Prosecuting
that
case
in
a
specialized
Court
in
County,
Court
called
the
Adolescent
part.
J
Judges
are
specifically
trained
in
dealing
with
violent
young
people
in
adolescent
part,
and
the
sanctions
are
different
than
they
would
be
for
an
adult.
If
we
don't
have
those
elements
in
city
and
family
court,
if
we
don't
have
one
of
those
three
that
case
is
kept
in
Family
Court,
then
we
never
hear
about
that
case
again.
Unfortunately,
we
do
because
that
individual
is
then
back
out
on
the
street
committing
new
violence.
You.
J
Yeah
so
so
I'll
give
you
two
perfect
examples.
A
gentleman
he
is
looking
to
back
out
of
his
garage
with
his
truck,
and
it
just
so
happens
to
be
the
same
time
that
kids
are
being
let
out
of
school
young
people
who
are
in
his
way
he's
beeping
the
horn.
He
gets
out
of
the
car
to
ask
them
to
move.
They
proceed
to
beat
this
man,
you
know
they.
You
have
fractures
along
as
orbital
bones.
J
I,
don't
know
if
you've
ever
seen
a
bar
fight
or,
if
you've
ever
seen,
a
group
of
young
people
attacking,
but
it
is
impossible
to
prove
that
they
even
require
that
same
standard
in
a
video
that
I
think
we
shared
with
you,
where
we
saw
two
two
people
in
a
car
total
of
three
guns
driver
and
two
people
from
the
from
the
passenger
seat,
shooting
out
at
an
individual
who
was
struck.
J
J
Will
I
will
be
back
with
more
information,
more
specifics
on
our
cases,
I
I
will
provide
you
anything
that
you
ask
for
anything
that
you
think
you
need,
but
I
I
I
desperately
need
the
Albany
County
Legislature
and
Leadership
here
in
Albany,
County
Albany
County
to
stand
with
with
their
police,
be
it
the
Albany
County
Sheriff,
be
with
their
local
law
enforcement
agencies
and
and
I
would
love
to
have
the
support
of
this
body
and
denouncing
raise
the
age
and
wanting
to
see
change.
J
Even
if
you
like
certain
elements,
whatever
elements
that
you
think
need
change
and
I
also
would
invite
you
to
have
other
people
who
may
share
a
different
view,
but
it's
time
for
leadership
in
in
Albany
County
to
get
with
us
in
our
desire
to
continue
to
make
this
County
a
safe
place
to
be
and
I'm
telling
you
as
a
person
who
is
the
chief
law
enforcement
official
in
this
County.
We
have
never
been
as
vulnerable
as
we
are
right
now.
C
J
President
of
the
District
Attorney's
Association,
as
well
as
a
member
of
the
Albany
County
District
Attorney's
Association.
There
is
absolutely
zero
desire
to
change
from
the
current
posture
of
what
I
believe
to
be
a
very
pro-criminal
ideology
that
exists
right
now
in
our
state
legislature.
J
Many
of
you
I
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
in
the
district
attorneys
Association.
When
they
were
discussing
raise
the
age
what
they
told
us
was.
We
don't
want
to
see
young
people
who
are
young
in
in
adult
prisons
with
older
defendants,
older
criminals,
we
agreed
with
that.
They
also
said.
We
think
that
young
kids,
who
commit
mistakes
when
they're,
young
and
their
brains
are
undeveloped,
should
not
have
to
live
their
entire
lives
under
the
weight
of
the
one
mistake
that
they
make
in
their
lives.
We
agreed
with
that.
J
They
also
said
that
there
are
plenty
of
other
Alternatives
and
things
that
we
could
be
offering
young
people
such
as
behave
cognitive
behavioral,
health
courses
and
things
like
that.
We
also
agreed
with
that.
What
we
agreed
with
and
what
we
ended
up
getting
in
terms
of
policy
are
two
different
things,
and-
and
so,
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
original
premise
of
what
this
is
about,
let's
explore
that.
Let's
talk
about
that,
let's
do
it
we're
in
New
York.
J
We
can
do
great
things
in
New
York,
but
if
what
you
want
to
do
is
create
a
a
I
mean
a
revolving
door
around
the
criminal
justice
system
with
violent,
hyper,
violent
youth,
that's
not
what
that's!
That's
just
terrible
policy
and
and
I'd
like
your
voice
in
helping
to
express
that,
but.
J
I
I
have
spoken
to
them,
and
the
I
I
I
hesitate
to
share
those
conversations
that,
at
the
point
in
time
that
I'm
having
with
them
or
those
are
private
conversations.
But
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
be
invited
here,
along
with
members
of
the
assembly
and
members
of.
J
Well,
I'm
on
the
record
conversations:
I,
don't
think
they
wanted
to
hear
about
this
data
this
year,
which
is
why
they,
they
had
first
invited
our
presentation
and
then
revoked
that
invitation,
but
but
numbers
like
the
scale
that
I
step
on
every
morning.
They
just
don't
lie.
E
F
E
The
literal
sense
what
happened
earlier
this
year
is,
we
were
set
to
have
a
conversation
like
this
at
a
hearing
they
said
who
are
who's
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
District
Attorneys.
They
heard
David
Soares
and
they
said
get
that
guy
out
of
here,
essentially
so
and
I'm,
not
exaggerating,
he
was
disinvited
from
a
setting
just
like
this
with
State
lawmakers,
because
I
suspect
that
they
know
that
they're
wrong
and
hearing
that
you're
wrong
when
you're
in
such
support
of
a
pie
in
the
sky.
E
J
J
C
N
Discretion
and
the
consequences
and
that
reasonable
age
has
been
a
complete
failure.
You
know
you
talk
about
getting
a
task
force
or
something
together,
and
why
that
sounds
good
I
mean
we
all
know
what
needs
to
be
done.
This
just
needs
to
be
changed.
We
could
spend
the
next
year
talking
about
the
same
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
since
they
made
These
Foolish
laws
and
and
now
hearing
this.
What
you're
saying
that
this
is
their
baby,
and
you
know
you
can't
you
can't
even
enter
the
room.
N
I
I
I'm
behind
you,
I'll
go
to
any
Press
Conference
stand
there.
You
know
rah-rah
whatever
you
ask
us
to
do
or
you
think
we
can
do
but
I'm
at
a
loss
as
to
really
what
we
can
do
and
that
doesn't
mean
I'm
giving
up
I
just
think
we
have
to
have
you
know
it's
not
just
raise
the
age,
one
of
the
things
that
drives
me
crazy.
Is
they
didn't
put
any
Services
into
that?
N
They
didn't
put
any
money
for
services,
not
just
they
probably
would
have
been
lousy
anyway,
but
I
mean
not
the
correct
ones.
I
should
say,
but
there's
nothing
to
this,
except
just
raise
the
age
and
the
the
bail
reform.
Then
it
makes
them
feel
good
like
they
did
something
and
they're
hurting
kids,
they're,
hurting
families,
they're
totally
destroying
families,
and
particularly
the
black
communities,
see.
E
F
E
E
B
I
know
I'm
trying
to
talk
about
I
mean
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
assembly
people
and
we
have
a
couple
of
senators
in
this
region,
and
some
people
may
be
supportive
of
changes
and
others
may
not
be.
But
it
strikes
me
that
the
most
important
community
for
folks
to
listen
to
is
the
affecting
communities
in
Albany
and
in
Troy
and
in
Schenectady,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
is
what
is
driving
the
opposite.
Is
there?
B
Is
there
a
Groundswell
in
the
communities
that
are
most
heavily
impacted
about
maintaining,
raise
the
age
or
are
they
do
they
realize
that
that
is
creating
the
problem
for
the
community?
So
is
our
our
members
of
the
legislature
more
concerned
that
they
will
offend
their
leadership,
for
which,
as
you
say,
raise
the
ages
their
baby,
or
are
they
worried
about
upsetting
local
interest
groups
that
may
lead
that
raise
the
age
has
to
be
maintained,
as
is.
J
It
would
be
hard
for
me
to
speculate
as
to
what
and
I
hate
to
speak
for
people.
That's
why
I
said
a.
F
C
N
C
L
M
You,
let
me
know
let
this
committee
know
because
I'm
sure
you
all
feel
the
same
way.
Absolutely
thank
you
London.
Yes,
I
can't
let
your
comments
stand
without
me,
because
it
wasn't
really
directed
at
him.
F
M
I
had
I
had
a
comment
or
question
to
make
spoke,
and
it's
in
regards
to
the
real
reason
why
I
raise
the
age
became
so
popular
right
in
the
first
place.
That
cannot
be
cannot
be
overlooked
at
all
because
that
cast
not
because
of
representation
appeared
but
from
downstate
right
and.
N
M
That
cannot
be
overlooked
and
it's
not
that
the
representatives
here
did
not
feel
some
kind
of
way
about
it,
because
we
know
and
have
asked
the
same
questions.
Why
is
this
happening?
This
way
also
talk
to
downstate
Representatives,
okay,
to
see.
Don't
you
see
that
some
changes
should
be
made
in
this,
but
we
do
not
have
the
numbers
to
change
that
and
so
to
paint
this
as
we're
weak
or
afraid
of
what
somebody
thinks
and
feels
that
is
totally
wrong.
It
is
not
that
at
all,
but
we
cannot
discuss
this
without
discussing.
F
M
It
was
done
to
begin
with,
and
so
I'm
going
to
submit
to
you.
I've
listened
to
you
until
you
know
the
stories
and
and
and
they're
horrific.
They
are
horrific
and
and
I
agree
with
you
on
many
instances.
But
what
got
us
here
was
a
story.
A
woman
told
me
of
how
her
son
wound
up
in
riper's
Island
and
to
hear
that
woman
speak
about
how
she
felt
about
how
her
son
got
into
trouble
and
how
she
told
them
all.
In
this
time.
M
Doing
because
of
what
happened
to
him
in
Riker's
Island.
And
let
me
just
say
this
I'm,
not
condemning
everything
that
you're
saying
by
no
means
at
all
I
want
you
to
understand
that.
But
it's
how
we
got
here
and
why
that
law
is
in
place.
It
is
because
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
what
went
on
downstairs,
and
so
we
are
not
afraid
to
speak
up.
I
M
J
Yeah,
you
mentioned
a
real
good
point
that,
if
I,
if
I
can
just
so
we
happen
to
live
in
a
community
where
I
I
admire
the
I
admire
our
Sheriff
I
admire
what
he's
done
with
our
Correction
Facility
Rikers
is
the
bane
of
the
existence
of
this
entire
State.
You
could
even
make
the
argument
that
it
is
the
bane
of
the
entire
country.
J
What
I,
don't
think
would
ever
happen
in
society
anywhere
is
I
think
that
if
we
had
a
specific
hospital
that
continued
to
demonstrate
malpractice
on
a
daily
basis,
I,
don't
think
that
we
would
be
changing
the
practice
of
Medicine
for
all
the
other
hospitals
because
of
what
happened
in
one
Hospital
and
that's
what
we
continue
to
experience
because
of
Rikers
Island
and,
as
you
say,
numbers
that
that
are
overwhelming
I.
Just
ask
you
and
I:
ask
everyone
here:
keep
an
open
mind,
keep
your
eyes
peeled.
J
There
are
events
that
are
going
to
be
coming
specifically
starting
tomorrow,
you
are
going
to
have
things
that
are
shared
with
you
as
members
of
the
public
that'll.
Give
you
a
first-hand
experience
as
to
what
we
are
seeing
that
we're
prohibited
from
sharing
a
lot
of
things.
I
can't
give
you
names,
I
can
give
you
addresses.
I
can
give
you
facts,
but
please,
for
for,
if
you're
committed
to
Public
Safety,
keep
an
open
mind
and
and
your
eyes
peeled
for
what
is
going
to
happen
here
in
the
next
few
days.
Are.
J
Stage
no
fight,
it's
it's!
The
prosecution
of
events
that
are
taking
place
here.
We've
had
this
young
man
keeps
our
statistics
for
all
violence
involved
in
Youth
and
he's
been
up
a
lot.
You
know.
In
the
matter
of
last
week,
we've
had
six
new
cases,
one
of
them
being
a
homicide,
but
all
of
those
cases
involving
illegal
Firearms,
Dave.
C
Do
you
think
if
the
legislature,
our
legislature,
requested
a
meeting
with
the
leadership
of
the
assembly?
You
know
leadership
of
the
Senate
to
address
us
an
issue
along
with
you.
What's
going
on
be
more
effective
than
you
chasing
everybody
around
I.
J
L
C
E
C
D
F
D
Listen
sometimes
you
just
have
to
admit
you
were
wrong
and
swallow
it
and
move
on,
and
this
is
something
that
can
be
fixed.
I
agree
with
some
components
that
raise
the
age.
There
were
young
black
and
brown
individuals
in
my
jail
that
were
just
lost,
but
I
could
help
them.
When
Ray
zh
came
in,
we
lost
all
that
when
raised
DH
came
in
and
bail
reform
came
in,
we
lost
the
ability
to
help
a
lot
of
people
live,
healthy
and
productive
lives
that
we
all
live
every
day
we
lost
that.
D
We
lost
the
ability
to
help
these
folks
with
addiction
and
Homeland
homelessness
and
PTSD
and
domestic
violence
and
alcoholism.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
we
lost
all
that.
Now
we
have
the
most
violent
of
the
violent.
We
can't
do
anything
to
help
them
and
you
just
sit
in
that
jail
cell.
We
lost
the
ability
to
help
a
lot
of
people
from
our
community
I'm.
C
C
G
E
N
N
This
isn't
just
a
city,
the
kids
in
in
my
community.
All
you
have
to
do
is
walk
through
the
halls
of
the
school
and
it
might
only
be
you
know
it
might
only
be
harassments
assaults
or,
if
you
know
these
horrible
fights
that
these
kids
are
getting
in,
like
you
were
describing
happening
elsewhere
too.
This
is
not
just
in
your
neighborhood,
but
maybe
they're
not
carrying
well.
N
Some
of
them
are
caring
guns
in
Colony,
but
they
will
be
because
there's
no
consequences
when
the
kids
in
Colony
or
Guilderland,
it's
all
the
same
system,
they
they're
17
years
old,
they're
still
going
to
Family
Court,
no
matter
what
they
do.
It
doesn't
really
matter
so
I
think
people
have
to
sometimes
people
live
in
their
own
Community.
Well,
that's
a
city
right.
E
N
An
urban
problem:
that's
it
it's
our
entire
County
problem
because
it
spills
out
and
it's
it's
a
culture
and
it's
a
mind,
thought
and
I
agree:
I,
don't
want
to
go
too
much,
but
I
I
I'm.
Sure
you
see
that
in
it's
horrible
that
we're
talking
about
illegal
guns
with
kids,
we
should
be
talking
about
teach
them
not
to
shoplift.