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Good
afternoon
everyone
it's
one
o'clock,
I'd
like
to
welcome
members
and
staff
and
guests
to
this
meeting
of
the
standing
committee
of
the
legislative
offices.
My
name
is
Mark
Smith
and
I'm.
The
MLA
for
Drayton
Valley
Devon
and
the
chair
of
this
committee
I'd
ask
that
the
members
and
those
joining
the
committee
at
the
table
introduce
themselves
for
the
record,
and
then
we
will
hear
from
those
joining
us
remotely.
So
we'll
start
to
my
right:
hey.
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Now
there's
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
address
before
we
turn
to
the
business
at
hand.
Please
note
that
the
microphones
are
operated
by
hansards,
so
members
do
not
need
to
turn
them
off
and
on
committee
proceedings
are
being
live
streamed
on
the
internet
and
broadcast
on
Alberta
assembly.
Tv
members
participating
remotely
should
ensure
they
are
prepared
to
speak
or
vote
when
called
upon
and
video
conference.
Participants
are
encouraged
to
have
their
cameras
on
if
possible.
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That
motion
is
carried.
We're
now
on
to
item
number
three
adoption
of
the
meeting
minutes
of
meeting
minutes.
Are
there
any
errors
or
omissions
to
note?
If
not,
would
a
member
move
approval
of
the
minutes
as
distributed?
You
all
should
have
received
them.
Ms
lovely,
moved
by
Ms
lovely
that
the
minutes
of
the
December,
2nd
2022
meeting
of
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
be
approved
as
distributed
all
in
favor
in
the
room
all
in
favor
online.
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First
part
of
our
the
first
step
we
have
here
is
to
review
the
mandate
of
this
committee
under
government
motion
18..
Moving
on
to
our
main
item
of
business.
We
have
the
review
of
the
office
and
child
youth
Advocate
annual
report
2021-22.
Our
mandate
for
the
review
of
this
report
is
outlined
in
government
motion
18,
which
was
agreed
to
by
the
assembly
on
December
the
14th
2022
and
requires
us
to
report
back
to
the
assembly
within
90
days
of
the
referral.
This
committee
has
been
tasked
with
this
annual
responsibility
for
several
years
now.
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Thank
you
good
afternoon,
chairperson
Smith
and
committee
members.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
me
today.
As
we
begin,
I
would
like
to
respectfully
acknowledge
that
we
are
on
treaty
six
territory
and
that
the
work
of
my
office
extends
throughout
the
province
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
many
indigenous
peoples
of
treaty,
six,
seven
and
eight,
the
metis
settlements
and
the
metis
nation
of
Alberta.
H
When
we
last
appeared
before
this
committee
on
December
2nd,
we
presented
our
annual
report
business
plan
and
budget
estimates.
We
were
pleased
to
learn
that
our
2023-2024
budget
estimates
have
been
approved.
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
ensuring
that
we
have
the
required
resources
to
continually
to
continue
to
effectively
advocate
for
young
people.
H
Our
role
is
to
represent
the
rights,
interests
and
viewpoints
of
young
people.
We
work
directly
with
young
people
to
help
them
exercise
their
rights
and
have
a
say
in
decisions
that
affect
them.
We
also
promote
and
raise
awareness
about
children's
rights
through
Community,
Education
and
systemic
advocacy,
investigate
the
serious
injuries
and
deaths
of
young
people,
as
outlined
by
our
legislation,
and
make
recommendations
to
government
about
issues
that
affect
the
lives
of
Children
and
Youth.
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H
Yeah
this
was
another
challenging
year
for
the
children
and
youth.
We
serve
the
ongoing
pandemic
and
resulting
Public
Health
measures
Amplified
many
of
the
issues
and
concerns
they
faced
during
a
time
when
change
and
uncertainty
often
felt
like
the
new
Norm
I'm,
proud
of
how
strongly
we
stood
up
for
young
people.
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H
Our
2022-2025
strategic
plan
outlines
three
priorities
that
help
guide
our
work.
While
each
is
distinct,
the
work
to
achieve
them
is
integrated
throughout
our
office.
They
are
aligned
with
our
mission
and
values
and
reflected
within
our
staff
performance
plans
to
ensure
we
are
working
collectively
to
advance
them.
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H
Our
second
strategic
priority
is
that
we
are
a
model
of
Youth
participation.
Young
people
have
a
right
to
participate
when
decisions
are
made
that
affect
them.
They
tell
us
that
when
they
have,
when
they're
involved
in
these
decisions
and
processes,
whether
they
get
what
they
were
hoping
for
or
not,
the
decision
and
outcome
is
better
for
them.
H
We
need
to
be
authentic
and
be
a
model
of
how
we
expect
others
to
have
children
and
youth
involved
and
participate,
so
we
involve
them
in
the
work
of
our
office
as
much
as
possible.
This
past
year,
action
on
this
priority
included
piloting
a
youth
engagement
coordinator
position
to
connect
with
and
support
young
people
interested
in
getting
involved
with
our
office
building
the
capacity
and
profile
of
our
youth,
Council
Gathering
youth
feedback
about
our
work
and
employing
two
youth
engagement
interns
with
lived
experience,
who
worked
on
a
number
of
projects.
H
Will
some
of
our
engagement
activities
were
reduced
due
to
Public
Health
measures?
We
worked
hard
to
stay
connected
and
maintain
relationships
throughout
the
pandemic.
Since
April
we've
had
more
opportunities
to
connect
in
person
and
are
looking
forward
to
continuing
to
renew
and
grow
our
community
involvement.
H
H
Early
findings
of
the
research
highlights
the
strong
relationships
were
important
to
support
young
people
throughout
through
the
challenges
of
the
pandemic.
We've
presented
on
This
research
at
several
conferences
and
remain
involved
in
the
second
phase
of
this
project,
which
is
looking
at
what
is
needed
to
help
children
and
youth.
H
The
issue
of
Youth
housing
and
houselessness
was
a
topic
of
conversation
at
our
youth
advocacy
Forum
in
March
2022.
The
virtual
event
brought
youth
from
across
the
province
together
to
discuss
issues
that
are
important
to
them.
I
was
alarmed
to
hear
that
many
young
people
don't
have
a
safe
and
stable
place
to
call
home,
and
it's
critical
that
child
serving
Ministries
address
this
issue.
H
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H
H
Many
issues
affecting
young
people
are
reflected
in
the
themes
we
see
through
both
our
advocacy
and
investigations
work.
These
include
the
importance
of
providing
young
people
with
a
place
to
live
where
they
receive
the
care
and
support.
They
need
maintaining
connections
with
significant
people
in
their
lives
with
their
culture
and
with
their
communities
involving
them
when
decisions
are
made
about
them
appropriately
supporting
their
transition
to
Young
adulthood
and
ensuring
that
timely
and
effective
access
to
services
and
supports
for
substance
use,
mental
health
concerns
and
complex
needs.
H
The
fact
that
these
issues
are
prevalent
both
for
young
people
who
work
with
our
Advocates
and
those
who've
been
seriously
injured
or
have
passed
away,
underscores
the
critical
need
for
our
recommendations
to
be
implemented.
We
must
address
the
issues
that
are
persistent
among
Children
and
Youth
receiving
services
to
ensure
they
have
the
brightest
possible
futures.
H
Recommendations
are
made
through
investigative
review
reports
after
a
young
person
is
seriously
injured
or
passes
away
or
through
special
reports
focused
on
a
systemic
issue.
We
explore
young
people's
experiences
with
government
systems,
identify
whether
services
and
supports
met
their
needs
and
identify
any
systemic
issues
impacting
them.
H
We're
pleased
when
our
recommendations
are
accepted
and
implemented
as
they
are
intended
to
improve
the
experiences
for
young
people
in
child
serving
systems
based
on
information
provided
by
the
ministry
or
public
body.
We
determine
whether
recommendations
are
meeting
the
intended
outcome
or
whether
further
action
is
required.
H
We
typically
evaluate
recommendations
for
three
years
at
which
time
they're
closed
recommendations
are
closed.
At
the
status
they
were
last
evaluated,
which
is
usually
categorized
as
some
or
significant
progress.
When
public
bodies
indicate
no
further
updates
will
be
provided.
The
recommendation
must
be
closed.
H
H
In
March
2016,
we
recommended
that
the
government
develop
a
provincially
funded
Suicide
Prevention
strategy.
Three
years
later
in
March
2019,
this
recommendation
was
evaluated
as
met
following
the
release
of
building
strength,
inspiring
hope,
a
provincial
action
plan
for
youth
suicide.
A
lot
of
positive
work
went
into
actioning
this
recommendation.
H
H
H
Another
recommendation
we
made,
which
is
in
progress,
also
relates
to
the
youth
Suicide
Prevention
strategy
in
March
2021.
We
recommended
that
the
government
host
a
forum
or
other
event
to
engage
with
stakeholders
about
actions
taken
over
the
first
two
years
of
the
province's
youth
Suicide
Prevention
plan
in
response,
children's
services
and
Alberta
Health
indicated
that
they're
working
together
to
update
the
plan
have
publicly
launched
the
youth
Suicide
Prevention
grant
program
and
are
providing
training
to
Family
Resource
Network
staff
across
the
province.
H
We
saw
promising
progress
on
this
recommendation.
In
addition
to
developing
the
provincial
use,
Suicide
Prevention
plan,
the
government
developed
the
honoring
Life
program,
which
supports
First,
Nations
and
metis
communities
in
suicide
prevention
by
building
capacity
in
mental
health,
resiliency
and
healthy
lifestyle
promotion,
33
communities
applied
for
this
program.
However,
at
the
time
of
our
final
evaluation,
only
15
communities
had
received
funds.
Funding
was
committed
for
the
remaining
18
communities.
So,
while
significant
progress
was
made,
the
recommendation
has
not
been
fully
met
after
three
years.
H
Our
final
example
is
an
unmet
recommendation
that
comes
from
March
2019
when
we
recommended
the
government
should
provide
financial
and
organizational
supports
to
Frontline
staff
to
have
timely
access
to
a
variety
of
subject
matter,
experts
as
needed.
We
also
noted
that
this
resource
should
be
regionally
tailored
to
reflect
a
Young
Person's
community,
the
ministry's
response
focused
on
policy
and
practice
that
was
already
in
place
and
accessing
2-1-1.
H
H
H
I
believe
this
needs
to
change
I'd
like
Ministries,
to
complete
an
annual
in-depth
review
of
the
actions
they've
taken
to
address
our
recommendations
and
present
this
information
at
a
public
forum
this
could
occur.
This
could
occur
as
part
of
the
legislative
assembly's
review
of
our
annual
report
who,
with
representatives
from
Child
serving
Ministries
and
public
bodies,
joining
us
to
engage
in
a
discussion
about
the
status
of
recommendations.
H
We're
currently
finalizing
a
new
evaluation
framework
that
will
refine
what
we
expect
for
Ministries
and
the
process
for
evaluating
information
provided
to
us
on
how
they're
implementing
the
recommendation.
This
tool
will
also
describe
our
public
reporting
and
progress
made
along
with
this
framework,
we're
developing
a
new
electronic
tracking
system
to
support
this
refined
approach.
The
new
database
will
simplify
how
we
evaluate
recommendations
and
actions
taken
and
offer
a
user-friendly
interface
so
that
anyone
can
easily
search
our
recommendations
and
see
progress
made.
H
H
I
know
that
child
serving
Ministries
are
deeply
committed
to
supporting
young
people.
However,
when
there
are
differing
perspectives
about
the
status
of
a
recommendation
or
the
best
path
forward,
we
need
to
come
together
and
engage
in
a
thoughtful
public
dialogue.
This
increased
transparency
and
accountability
would
ultimately
strengthen
our
Collective
efforts
to
create
meaningful
change
in
the
lives
of
children,
youth
and
Families.
H
As
we
move
forward,
we
will
continue
our
advocacy
work
on
the
significant
issues
facing
many
young
people
in
child
intervention
and
youth
Justice
systems.
This
year,
we've
been
analyzing
the
trends
and
themes.
We've
observed
over
the
past
decade
of
completing
investigative
reviews.
I
anticipate
this
information
will
be
released
in
a
summary
report
within
the
next
month
or
so
we're
also
in
the
initial
phase
of
our
work
on
a
special
report
about
the
issues
affecting
young
people
with
disabilities
in
the
child,
welfare
and
youth
Justice
systems.
H
H
The
mission
of
my
office
is
to
stand
up
for
young
people
and
child
serving
Ministries
are
critical.
Partners
in
this
work,
I'm
dedicated
to
continuing
to
build
strong
relationships
to
help
us
move
forward
collaboratively
while
ensuring
the
rights
interests
and
viewpoints
of
young
people
Remain
the
core
focus
of
everything
we
do.
B
Thank
you,
Miss
Belton,
we're
now
at
that
portion
of
our
meeting
where
we
are
able
to
ask
some
questions
of
Ms
Pelton.
Is
there
anybody
that
has
a
question
Ms
Penn
Jolie.
M
G
Thank
you
for
that
that
work,
I
have
a
number
of
questions
and
I'm
sure
I'll,
look
to
the
chair
to
say,
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
back
and
forth
in
terms
of
questions,
so
I
won't
try
to
get
through
them
all
right
now.
I'm
sure.
B
G
Sure,
wonderful,
so
I'd
like
to
begin
and
I
actually
really
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
how
you
went
through
the
recommendations
and
gave
examples
of
recommendations
that
were
met
that
were
in
progress,
closed
and
unmet.
My
questions
relate
to
page
28
or
29,
sorry
of
your
annual
report,
which
goes
through
some
of
the
recommendations
that
were
closed
during
the
2021
fiscal
year,
which
is
under
consideration,
so
it
you
mentioned
on
page
29
that
nine,
so
there
were
24
recommendations
that
were
evaluated
during
this
year.
G
Nine
recommendations
were
closed
and
six
were
closed
as
children
services
considered
them
completed
and
they
would
no
longer
be
providing
updates.
However,
your
office
does
not
consider
them
to
be
met
and
you
don't
need
to
I
guess
list
them
all
out
here,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
give
maybe
table
at
another
time
for
this
committee
or
maybe
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
recommendations
that
you
closed
under
this
category,
that
the
Children's
Services
said
they
were
met,
but
you
did
not.
Your
office
did
not
believe
they
were.
H
I
will
have
to
get
a
written
response
to
that.
I
have
the
four
that
were
not
met
over
time,
but
I
don't
have
the
other
two
and
I'm
not
sure
which
two
they
were.
Thank.
M
G
Appreciate
that
so
the
fourth,
the
four
that
were
not
met,
would
you
perhaps
go
through.
H
Those
sure
one
was
from
a
report.
A
young
man
named
Lucas
and
Lucas
was
released
and
he
was
one
of
the
mandatory
reviews
in
January
or
in
June
of
2020,
and
the
recommendation
was
to
for
children's
or
child
intervention
to
increase
the
availability
of
whole
family
residential
treatment
program
within
the
province
for
young
people
and
their
families.
H
This
young
man
had,
and
his
family
had
received,
had
attended
a
residential
treatment
program
for
their
whole
family
out
of
Province,
and
it
was
a
very
good
experience
for
them
and
when
the
investigators
talked
with
his
family
and
with
the
caseworkers,
and
we
did
some
research,
we
really
felt
strongly
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
resource
similar
to
that
within
the
province
of
Alberta
and
the
Children's
Services
responded
that
they
will
not
accept
this
recommendation.
H
Their
public
response
said
that
their
preferred
approach
is
to
work
with
families
in
their
community
and
with
their
natural
support
network,
but
they
would
continue
to
refer
families
to
specialized
programs
where
that
type
of
program
is
suited
to
the
specific
needs
of
the
child
and
family.
So,
although
we
in
our
practice
is
that
our
investigations
managers
meet
with
the
affected
Ministries
prior
to
making
a
recommendation,
so
we
kind
of
talk
through
what
we're
thinking,
but
clearly
they
don't
agree
that
whole
family
residential
treatment
is
required
in
Alberta.
So
that
was
one
of
them.
H
Even
though
there's
policy
and
practices
in
place
transferring
files
not
simple,
whether
it's
within
the
province,
whether
it's
outside
the
province,
whether
it's
in
the
city
there,
there
always
seems
to
be
some
kind
of
little
glitch,
even
though
there
are
clear
practice
guidelines
but
I
I
believe
they
need
to
be
Revisited
and
they
felt
that
what
they
had
was
adequate.
I.
Don't
agree
with
that.
H
The
third
recommendation
was
from
a
mandatory
report
that
we
released
in
March
of
2019
and
it
was
Andy
and
he
was
15
years
old
when
he
died
from
fentanyl
poisoning
and
he'd
been
adopted
by
his
foster
parents
when
he
was
eight
years
old.
The
recommendation
was
that
child
intervention
coordinate
with
family
supports
with
children
and
disabilities
to
implement
A
system
that
monitors
the
numbers
of
children
placed
in
respite
at
any
given
time
in
a
foster
home,
so
that
young
people
receive
the
care
they
need
and
numbers
of
children
should
not
exceed
the
caregiver's
capacity.
H
What
we
found
with
Andy
is
his
adoptive
parents
were
well
known
in
their
Community,
both
through
fscd
and
child
intervention,
and
frequently
had
children
in
place
with
them
through
respite
which
isn't
recorded
in
a
formal
way,
and
so
at
times
there
were
up
to
12
children
in
this
home
and
we
believe
I
believe
I,
see
director
of
Investigations
at
this
point
that
there
needs
to
be
a
better
way
of
knowing
how
many
children
are
in
a
home
at
any
time,
and
so
they
their
response
was.
H
They
felt
that
their
intent,
the
recommendation
had
been
matched
and
they
weren't
providing
any
further
updates
that
the
policy
they
had
in
place
was
adequate
and
then
the
fourth
recommendation-
oh
further
I,
guess
their
response
included
that
children's
services
and
community
and
Social
Services
took
some
steps
and
reviewed
policy
and
procedure
with
staff,
as
well
as
a
tip
sheet
for
fscd
parents.
And
then
they
indicated
that
they
had
accepted
the
intent
of
the
recommendation,
but
would
provide
no
further
updates.
H
And
then
the
final
one
is
also
one
that
I
referenced
in
my
presentation,
and
that
was
one
where
we
suggested
that
caseworkers
should
have
access
to
experts
as
needed.
So
when
we
do
an
investigation
at
my
office,
we
pull
a
committee
of
subject
matter.
Experts
together
before
we
finalize
our
reports,
and
we
found
over
time
that
it's
really
really
valuable
because
we're
not
psychologists
and
we're
not
indigenous
elders.
And
so
when
we're
able
to
talk
to
those
folks,
it
informs
our
work.
And
so
the
suggestion
is
is
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
caseworkers.
H
That
we've
been
blessed
with
the
ability
to
do
this,
and
we
believe
that
caseworkers
should
as
well
and
their
response
was
that
2-1-1
and
being
able
to
call
2-1-1
should
should
meet
that.
So
those
are
the
four.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
meet
with
us
today
and
inform
decision
making
going
forward
I'm
going
to
focus
on
on
the
report
on
investigative
reviews,
page
25,
26,
27,
I
believe
and
you
discuss
how
your
office
conducts
mandatory
reviews
when
someone
passes
away
while
receiving
child
intervention
services
or
is
identified
as
a
child
in
need
of
intervention
at
the
time
or
within
two
years
of
their
death.
Now
in
in
2021
2022,
there
was
a
significant
increase,
62
percent
increase
in
mandatory
reviews
and
I.
C
Just
wonder
if
you
can
speak
to.
Maybe
what
you
see
is
some
of
the
reason
for
the
increase
and
I
I
believe
there
was
a
change
in
metrics
in
in
how
those
were
evaluated,
and
maybe
you
could
explain
what
changes
took
place
and
how
that
influenced
the
reporting
that
that
was
required.
Sure.
H
I'd
be
happy
to
so
in
2018.
Our
legislation
changed
to
include
this.
This
review,
as
well
as
made
it
a
mandatory
that
any
child
who
had
an
open
child
welfare
file
at
the
time
they
died,
or
within
two
years
we
had
to
release
a
mandatory
report
prior
to
that
The
Advocate
had
the
discretion
to
release
a
report.
H
If
he
believed
that
there
were
systemic
issues
present,
we
continue
to
have
that
authority
to
release
a
report
when
systemic
issues
are
present,
but
with
the
number
of
young
people
who
meet
the
category
of
having
an
open
child
welfare
file,
the
numbers
have
really
gotten
tragically
a
high,
so
yeah.
We
did
release
one
systemic
review
in
this
period.
It
was
strengthening
foundations,
but
we've
really
had
to
focus
our
work
on
those
mandatory
reviews.
H
Why
do
I
think
they've,
they've
gone
up,
I,
think
opioid,
substance
use
and
opioid
poisoning
is
really
very
dangerous
and
we're
seeing
a
very
high
number
of
those
deaths.
It's
not
clear
if
they're,
accidental
or
intentional,
but
they
are
very
high.
H
H
So
it
it's
kind
of
interesting,
because
the
mandatories
don't
cover
young
people
who
have
support
and
financial
assistance
agreements.
If
they're
21
and
had
hadn't
had
an
open
child
welfare
file
within
two
years.
They
also
don't
cover
screenings
like
or
investigation,
so
unless
a
file
is
opened.
So
it
was
interesting.
H
It's
interesting
because
when
we're
here
in
December
we
talked
about
the
media
had
recently
released
some
numbers
that
Children's
Services
had
reported
that
they'd
had
40
deaths,
I
think
I'm
I'm,
not
100
sure
on
the
numbers,
but
at
that
time
we'd
had
like
67
or
68,
because
they're
not
reporting
publicly
on
the
two
years.
The
two-year
windows
or
numbers
are
often
different,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
I
answered
exactly
your
question,
I.
C
Just
need
a
little
clarification,
because
you
didn't
really
answer
the
question
about
the
changes
in
the
metrics
mandatory
versus
discretionary
and
and
how
that
might
have
influenced
the
numbers
that
that
we're
seeing
where,
where
is
now,
it's
mandatory
to
actually
report.
C
Whereas
previously
the
The
Advocate
had
the
the
ability
to
have
discretion
in
what
was
reported.
So
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
have
any
any
kind
of
understanding
on
how,
with
the
metrics
changing
how
that
influenced
the
numbers.
H
I,
don't
believe
it
it
did
so
we
would.
We
would
have
received
the
same
number
of
notifications
of
deaths.
The
the
metric
that
would
have
changed
would
have
been
the
number
that
we're
required
to
do
a
public
report
on
as
we're
looking
forward
into
the
next
coming
year,
though,
we're
looking
at
changing
how
we
report
on
those
mandatory
deaths,
we
have
a
report
coming
out
at
the
end
of
March.
M
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
just
to
pick
up
on.
G
That
I
think
what
we're
hearing,
of
course,
is
that
the
the
mandatory
reporting
of
the
deaths
of
young
people
and
children
who
are
receiving
child
intervention
service
has
been
required
since
the
change
in
2018.
When
and
that's
when
the
mandatory
reviews
had
to
take
place
for
The
Advocates
office
and
what
we're
seeing,
of
course
in
the
2021
year
as
you've
noted
Ms
Pelton,
of
course,
is
that
that
number
is
extraordinarily
high
and
tragically
high
and
that,
of
course,
your
mandate
is
even
broader
than
what
is
required
by
government
reporting.
G
So
government
reporting
that
we
see
that
is
publicly
made
available.
Only
talks
about
those
children
and
youth
who've
died
at
the
time
that
they
are
receiving
Services.
Of
course,
your
mandate
is
a
little
bit
broader
and
includes
a
child
or
youth
who
would
have
been
receiving
services
within
two
years,
which
is
why
we
know
that
the
numbers
are
even
higher
than
the
ones
that
are
publicly
reported
by
government
and
I.
G
G
Then,
of
course,
there
was
Court
proceedings
which
put
an
injunction
on
that
and
prevented
that
change
from
going
forward.
Then,
of
course,
the
pandemic
hit,
and
while
the
injunction
was
lifted,
you
know
the
ministry
said:
oh,
no,
we're
not
going
to
make
changes
to
that
program
now,
while
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic.
G
Six
months
later,
which
was
2021
summer
of
2021,
is
when
they
actually
did
start
to
transition
young
people
off
the
program.
G
What
we
don't
see
and
I'm
wondering
because
of
your
office's
role
as
being
you
know,
a
key
place
where
young
people
go
for
to
be
heard
and
I
know
you
speak
with
your
youth,
Council,
obviously
quite
regularly
as
well.
G
What
I
don't
know
from
the
statistical
reporting
that
we
see
is
because
of
that
fluctuation
in
the
programming
and
supports
that
were
available.
There
may
have
been
a
lot
of
young
people
who
it's
a
voluntary
program
going
on
the
sports,
a
financial
assistance
agreement
program
right.
They
they
choose
to
be
on
it.
G
They
have
to
sort
of
initiate
that
with
the
ministry
and
their
caseworker
do
you
have
a
sense
of
how
many
young
people
were
for
lack
of
a
better
term
or
we're
sort
of
lost
in
that
system,
but
they
may
have
been
on
the
program,
thought
they
were
being
transitioned
off
then
they're
not
being
on
like?
Were
you
hearing
from
those
young
people
who
were
not
sure
I,
guess
I'm
unclear
as
to
whether
or
not
they
would
receive
supports?
And
what's
the
feedback
that
you
heard
from
from
those
young
people.
H
At
that
time
we
we
certainly
did
hear
from
some,
but
we
have
to
remember
that
my
office
hears
about
those
who
aren't
happy
with
what's
happening
and
so
proportionally
I.
Don't
there
were
probably
there
clearly
were
some
that
were
satisfied
with
the
transition,
because
there
was
many
many
that
we
didn't
hear
from,
but
we
did
hear
that
there
were
some
people.
Can
young
people
concerned
that
they
might
not
have
their
rent
paid
the
following
month?
It,
it
all
seems
to
have
been
addressed
at
this
point.
H
The
Advocates
are
keeping
a
close
eye
on
it,
and
the
tap
program
has
just
I
think
was
rolled
out
in
October.
So
it's
still
a
pretty
new
program
that
we're
waiting
to
see
how
it
unfolds.
G
So
kind
of
two
part
follow-up
on
your
response:
there
first
I'm
gonna
sneak
it
in
Mr,
chair
first
of
all,
even
you
know
mentioned.
Of
course.
One
of
the
challenges
is
that
young
people
may
not
know
they
can
go
to
The
Advocates
office
and
that's
always
sort
of
a
challenge,
so
not
hearing
from
them
could
also
mean
that
they're,
just
not
feeling
like
they
can
access
the
supports
and
wondering
your
response
to
that.
G
But
secondly,
in
terms
of
the
tap
program,
the
transition
to
adulthood
program
which
was
rolled
out
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
that
we're
talking
about
here
was
your
office
involved
at
all
in
in
those
discussions
around
what
that
new
program
would
look
like.
H
No,
no,
we
weren't
they.
We
knew
it
was
coming,
but
I
believe
that
that
was
all
internal
Ministry
conversations.
C
Okay,
thank
you
chair
and
got
questions
with
regards
to
the
placement
of
young
people
who
died
while
receiving
child
intervention
services.
Page
27
of
the
report
and-
and
we
see
there
that
the
the
largest
portion
of
those
those
that
have
passed
were
in
independent
living
situations,
24
of
24
in
total
and
just
wondering
if
you
could
maybe
allude
to.
Why
do
we
see
a
higher
risk?
Maybe
it's
not
higher
risk?
H
I
think
this
speaks
to
the
issues
of
young
people
transitioning
to
adulthood.
This
was
also
in
the
period
during
the
pandemic,
where
Services
weren't.
There
was
more
isolation
for
everybody,
but
for
young
people
who
are
maybe
in
a
an
apartment
on
their
own,
they
didn't
have
the
same
supports
that
they
previously
had
had
so
I.
Think
for
sure
the
pandemic
impacted
this.
H
It's
it's
really
quite
striking
and
concerning
the
number
of
because
these
would
have
been
young
people
who
had
support
and
financial
assistance
agreements
or
were
at
the
very
tail
end
of
receiving
supports
from
the
government,
because
they
it's
usually
as
a
stepped
process
right
there
in
foster
care,
then,
and
then
they're
moved
into
independent
living
as
they're
ready
for
it
but
yeah.
It
is
a
very
concerning
number.
C
Yeah,
just
just
in
with
comparing
that
to
parental
care,
we
had
18
in
Parental
care
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
percentage
would
be,
those
that
are
receiving
child
intervention
services.
What
percentage
would
be
in
Parental
care?
What?
What
percentage
would
be
in
kinship
care?
What
percentage
would
be
in
independent
living,
but
then
the
second
highest?
The
number
is
in
Parental
care
and
do
we
have
any
insight
into
possibly
where,
where
we're
falling
through
the
cracks
on
on
the
parental
care
side
of
things,.
H
Some
are
in
foster
care
when
they
need
specialized
placements,
I
I
think
sometimes
children
are
returned
to
their
parents
or
not
taken
from
their
parents
and
and
I
fully
believe
that
children
should
stay
with
their
parents
as
much
as
possible
that
where
we
need
to
shore
up
services
is
to
provide
supports
with
their
family
rather
than
taking
them
away
from
their
family,
I
think
sometimes
assessments,
maybe
haven't
been
regular
enough
or
there
there's
been.
H
You
know,
closed
investigation
and
then
another
file
opens
but
I
I,
don't
without
getting
some
more
information
for
you.
I
can't
say
how
those
18
young
people
passed
away.
G
Of
course,
this
was
a
year
where
there
was
an
extraordinarily
large
increase
in
the
number
of
Children
and
Youth
who
who
died
while
receiving
intervention
services
during
that
time
and
I'm
kind
of
gonna
I
realize
this
is
predating
your
role
as
The
Advocate,
but
I
know
Ms,
Felton,
of
course,
that
you
were
heavily
involved
in
the
office
for
quite
quite
some
time,
and
but
during
that
year,
do
you
are
you
aware
of
like
conversations
that
were
initiated
from
the
ministry
as
those
numbers
were
increasing
like
was
there
any
sort
of
increased
engagement?
G
I
know,
there's
regular
communication
that
happens
just
standard
communication
that
happens
between
the
the
advocate's
office
and
the
ministry,
but
did
the
issue
of
the
increase
a
number
of
deaths
in
children
in
care
become
something
that
was
either
you
know
a
subject
of
a
Standalone
conversations.
There
are
measures
considered
that
were
extraordinary,
that
were
those
conversations
happening
between
the
advocate's
office
and
the
ministry.
H
That's
a
difficult
conversation
because
I
or
announcer
I'm,
not
from
an
executive
director
role
to
the
senior
leadership
at
the
ministry,
no
and
so
I
think
at
one
point
there's
certainly
an
acknowledgment
of
the
high
numbers,
but
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
conversation
about
you
know.
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
differently
to
to
reduce
this.
G
Thank
you
so,
given
that
and
of
course,
you've
noted
already
that
the
increased
number
of
young
people
under
under
the
sapphire
program,
you.
M
G
I
guess
I'm
wondering
was
there
further
conversations
again?
Maybe
you
can't
speak
to
this,
but
about
the
question
of
whether
it
was
the
right
time
to
be
lowering
the
age
of
eligibility
for
the
Safa
program.
Some
jurisdictions
you
may
know
or
have
discussions
about
you
know,
should
we
increase
the
age
I've
heard
some
discussions
in
other
provinces
where
they're
talking
about
you
know
the
the
age
actually
isn't
really
setting
one
age
is
not
actually
the
ideal
cut
off
I
mean
we
should
be
talking
about.
G
Where
is
that
young
person
at
we
know
that
the
brain
is
developing
differently
and
especially
for
young
adults
who
didn't
have
access
to
supports
and
maybe
native
witnessed
trauma
and
addictions
and
all
those
issues
they
need
more
time,
and
so
were
there
conversations
given
the
numbers
that
were
Rising
between
The
Advocates
office
and
the
ministry
about
reevaluating
the
eligibility
age
of
the
Safra
program.
H
I
believe
that
we
expressed
our
concern
about
the
age
being
lowered,
but
I
don't
know
that
it
was
resolved.
There
was
a
decision
made
I
think
where
we
ended
up
was
we'd,
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
as
if,
as
we
were
concerned,
we'd
raise
more
issues,
but
it
wasn't
a
decision
that
we
were
part
of.
We
were
told
that
it
was
a
decision
that
was
made.
B
K
Mr,
chair
I.
Can
yes
all
right.
Thank
you
through
you,
Mr
chair
to
Ms
Pelton
any
represent
over
representation
of
indigenous
peoples
in
such
tragic
situations
is
of
great
concern
for
not
just
our
government,
but
every
albertan
and
I
I
was
deeply
saddened
to
read
that
74
of
those
who
were
injured
or
died
this
past
year
were
indigenous
constituting
a
38
percent
increase
from
the
year
prior.
K
So
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
you
know:
do
you
believe
that,
first
of
all,
what
do
you
think
is?
Is
the
the
cause
of
that
I
noticed
that
Miss
pancholi
is
is
trying
to
make
some
kind
of
connection
to
the
tap
program?
But
my
question
to
you
is:
is
I
know
in
statistics
Canada.
They
talk
about
an
exponential
increase
over
in
2021
due
to
covet
to
the
increase
in
in
drug
and
and
alcohol
abuse
amongst
Canadians.
H
Thank
you
for
that.
I'm
I'm,
not
100,
I'm
I'm.
It's
really
just
an
opinion.
One
of
the
things
is
70
of
the
children
involved
with
child
welfare
are
indigenous,
so
I
I'm,
not
surprised
that
our
74
of
the
young
people
we
investigate
are
indigenous
is
actually
more
surprised
that
it
was
lower
the
previous
year
and
I
think
I.
H
Our
report
says
that
58
of
all
young
people
we
serve
through
our
office
are
indigenous,
which
is
10
or
12
percent
less
than
those
involved
with
Children's
Services
I
think
that
as
I
think
the
pandemic
had
a
huge
impact
on
young
people.
In
fact,
I
know
what
it
has
when
we,
you
know
what
participated
in
that
research
study
and
their
sense
of
isolation
increased
and
the
drug
use
clearly
is,
has
risen.
We
have
never
had
this
amount
of
opioid
deaths
prior
I.
H
Think
too,
that
some
of
the
work
done
or
that's
being
done
through
Truth
and
Reconciliation.
H
We've
hired
a
knowledge
Keeper
at
our
office,
who's
teaching
us
a
lot,
and
he
talks
about
the
journey
from
our
head
to
our
heart
and
becoming
more
heart
focused,
and
that
it's
going
to
take
time
for
us
to
understand
and
support
young
people
to
be
reconnected
to
their
communities
and
to
their
identity.
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
I
learned
early
on
in
doing
death
reviews
was
that
if
a
young
person
doesn't
have
a
sense
of
identity
or
a
sense
of
belonging,
their
outcomes
are
are
less
positive.
K
Question
I
I
do
appreciate
that
Miss
Pell
tonight,
I
think
that
you
know
any
culture
needs
to
have
the
the
grounding
and
the
Traditions
need
to
help
any
culture,
and
so
that's
important
what
you
just
said
there
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
the
issue,
though
you
know
we
we
don't
want
to
see.
K
So
my
question
is:
have
you
seen
any
studies
that
have
been
done
anywhere,
that
that
would
show
that,
as
we
move
away
from,
you
know
lockdowns
with
a
pandemic
people
being
depressed
because
of
those
lockdowns
not
being
able
to
go
out
and
and
be
with
their
friends
and
neighbors
family
going
to
weddings
and
funerals
as
we
kind
of
segue
away
from
that?
K
Have
you
do
you
believe
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
see
these
numbers
come
down
as
as
they
start
to
get
back
to
more
of
a
normalcy
in
their
lives?.
H
Here
we're
going
to
see
when
I'm
back
before
this
committee
next
January
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
very
positive
conversation.
What
I'm
seeing
for
this
fiscal
year
is
the
numbers
are
actually
going
up
so
I'm
hopeful
that,
as
we
have
conversations
about
why
we're
at
the
numbers
we're
at
which
just
for
for
your
information.
H
As
of
the
end
of
between
April
1st
and
the
end
of
December,
we
had
67
notifications
of
deaths
and
serious
injuries
with
still
three
months
to
go
in
this
fiscal
year
and
of
those
50
were
indigenous,
so
I'm
very,
very
concerned
about
this
year
and
the
opioid
use,
particularly,
which
is
why
it
seems
like
I'm
I'm,
raising
it
at
every
opportunity.
I
I
get
because
I
really
do
believe
that
young
people
need
a
different
strategy
than
adults
and
I
I'm
hopeful.
G
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I.
Just
actually
would
like
to
pick
up
on
that
line
of
discussion
and
certainly,
as
we've
noted
before,
you've
mentioned
67
notifications
so
far
and
formerly
on
the
government
website,
we're
already
up
to
36
so
deaths.
G
So,
yes,
it
looks
like
this
year
is
not
going
to
be
much
better
if
in
fact,
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
worse.
So
let's
go
back
to
that
conversation
around
the
youth
opioid
strategy,
because
that
was
a
recommendation
that
your
office
made
and
I
guess
I.
You
know
I.
G
You
mentioned
in
your
opening
comments,
of
course
that
there
has
been
a
you
know,
a
program
that
has
been
announced
by
the
government,
but
it
it
still
is,
is
an
important
step
for
sure,
but
your
office
has
been
pretty
clear
about
the
need
for
a
youth,
opioid
strategy
and
the
questions
we're
hearing
coming
from
the
government
side
reinforce
that
that
you
know
when
there's
all
these
questions
about
well,
what's
the
cause
or
what's
happening,
what
we're
seeing
is
and
the
stats
have
been
and
I
think
albertans
have
been
speaking
out
and
I
know.
G
We,
as
the
official
opposition,
have
been
raising
the
alarm
on
this,
that
it
is
about
drug
poisoning
significantly
not
solely
but
significantly
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
can
tell
me
in
terms
of
the
response,
because
you
would
have
I
guess
received
by
now
a
a
formal
written
response
within
the
75-day
requirement
from
the
government.
I
know,
Children's
Services
had
said
in
order
in
response
to
this
recommendation
for
a
youth
opioid
strategy.
They
said
this
is
not
our
responsibility.
G
It's
it's
Alberta,
Health's
responsibility
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
share
what
has
been
the
response
from
Alberta
Health
around,
why
they
are
not
accepting
and
moving
forward
on
a
youth,
opioid
strategy.
H
Just
give
me
a
second
on
that
they
so
on
their
website
and
on
ours
is
their
first
response,
which
they
do
within
75
days.
We
then
give
another
six
months
to
provide
what
they're
doing
to
show
that
progress
and
I
would
need
to
to
get
I
can
send
you
a
note
about
where
the
government
is
at
with
that
they
we
haven't
evaluated
it.
Yet
I
can
see
that
it's
because
it
was
new
within
that
period
of
time.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
month,
we're
evaluating
recommendations.
H
I
spoke
with
when
he
was
the
chief
of
staff
for
the
mental
health
and
addictions
Ministry,
and
he
was
sending
some
information.
H
I
have
not
had
a
sense
that
there
is
a
youth
boy
period
strategy,
that's
going
to
be
adopted
when
we
met
with
the
original
report,
the
ministry's
emergency
or
period
response
commission.
This
is
several
years
ago
now
indicated
that
the
work
that
they
were
doing
for
adults
should
be
sufficient
for
young
people,
and
so
we'll
see
what
comes
in
at
the
end
of
the
month.
The
virtual
opioid
dependency
program.
I
am
I
am
hopeful
that
that
will
be
good
for
young
people.
H
The
commercials
I'm
seeing
on
TV
seem
to
be
pretty
or
targeted
on
adults
and
so
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
why
I
say
I'm
hopeful,
I
think
for
young
people.
We
need
to
have
that
full
spectrum
of
services.
We
need
to
be
talking
to
them
in
schools
at
a
very
young
age,
about
what
drug
use
is
and
whether
it's
their
parents
that
they're
seeing
or
their
friends
at
school
they
need
to
have.
We
need
to
have
education
for
for
young
people
at
from
a
very
young
age.
We
also
then,
need
you
know
from
prevention.
H
H
But
it
worries
me
because
if
that
was
my
grandchild,
I'd
be
horrified
that
we'd
be
considering
harm
reduction
at
the
same
time,
if
it
kept
my
grandchild
alive,
I
guess
I'd
want
to
consider
it
so
I
I,
don't
know
all
the
answers,
but
I
would
hope
that
we
could
have
that
full
spectrum.
And
then
you
know
recovery
oriented
treatment
for
sure.
We
need
that
too,
and
then
we
need
Aftercare
and
we
need
to
support
young
adults
to
be
successful
and
to
feel
positive
about
themselves.
B
Miss
pen
Julie,
just
if
I
could
intervene
and
I'll.
Let
you
have
your
follow-up
here.
If
you
were
going
to
be
sending
forward
a
written
response,
could
you
please
put
it
through
our
committee
chair
or
Clerk
and
and
then
she
could
put
it
on
the
website
so
that
all
could
have
it?
Okay,
okay,
go.
G
Ahead,
thank
you,
so
it's
it's
remains
a
little
baffling
to
me
as
well
as
to
why
there
wouldn't
be
full
embracing
of
the
idea
of
developing
youth
opioid
strategy,
particularly
as
you've
identified
in
your
opening
comments
too
about
you
know
the
number
of
young
people
who
have
died
since
2019
and
when
we're
all
sitting
here
concerned
very
much
about
the
rising
number
of
deaths
of
children
in
Youth
and
care.
G
We
are
talking
about
specifically
youth
who
are
dying
because
of
drug
poisoning,
as
you
mentioned,
intentionally
or
unintentionally,
so
I
I,
guess
this
actually
and
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
run
out
of
time
on
my
follow-up
and
I'll
come
back
to
it
in
my
next
round
of
questions,
but
so
this
speaks
to
I.
Guess
if
there's
a
written
response
that
comes
from
the
Ministry
of
Health
on
this
recommendation
like
why,
in
your
view,
is
that
the
written
response
is
provided
in
75
days,
you've
made
it
during
your
opening
comments.
G
H
I
believe
that
the
70,
the
response
is
posted
within
75
days.
From
my
experience
basically
says,
we
believe
we
agree
with
the
intent
of
the
recommendation
or
we
agree
with
the
recommendation,
but
it
doesn't
speak
to
what
they're
doing
to
implement
the
recommendation.
It's
the
it's
the
progress
that
they
send
us
in
every
six
months.
H
That's
the
piece
that
I'd
like
to
see
more
transparency
around
that
I
believe
that
would
help
if
we
put
that
on
the
website,
and
so
on
my
website,
we
have
what
we've
evaluated
it
as
not
what
their
response
is,
because
that's
an
internal
document
and
I
think
that
that
would
help
increase
accountability
too.
If,
if
those
updates
on
progress,
the
actual
work
that
was
being
done
to
implement
the
recommendations
was
was
public.
L
For
the
work
that
you
and
your
team
do,
I
I
have
a
high
regard
for
the
level
of
difficulty
and
every
time
I
read
my
new
reports,
I
just
cry
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
difficult
work,
a
question
for
you
as
you're
aware,
are
many
vulnerable
albertans
turn
to
drug
and
alcohol
abuse
to
help
cope
with
past
and
current
trauma
and
feelings
of
hopelessness.
You
stayed
on
page
27.
L
H
H
H
My
office,
our
Advocates,
stand
up
with
young
people,
so
we
don't
offer
any
Addiction
Services,
but
what
we
would
do
is
support
young
people
in
having
their
voice
heard,
with
decision
makers
that
they
need
access
to
substance,
use
treatment.
H
So
when
a
young
person
comes
to
us
and
says
I'm
trying
to
I
want
to
go
for
treatment,
they
need
to
to
have
access
to
that
treatment
on
almost
that
very
same
day,
because
by
the
time
the
afternoon
comes
and
their
buddy
hands
them
a
drink,
you've
lost
them
again,
and
so
what
The
Advocates
would
do
is
talk
to
caseworkers
or
parents,
or
somebody
in
that
decision
making
realm
to
help
get
the
young
people
the
services
that
they
need.
But
we
don't
provide
the
services
ourselves.
L
Thank
you
and
what
efforts
are
being
undertaken
to
improve
these
services.
H
H
E
You
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
Ms
Belton
I
really
appreciate
your
presentation
today.
The
report
and
everything
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
questions
from
my
colleague,
Miss
pancholi
regarding
I.
Guess
your
conversations
with
Alberta
Health
regarding
a
youth,
specific
opioid
strategy,
so
I'm
curious,
I.
Guess
in
those
conversations,
what
is
your
son
against
you,
or
do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
some
of
the
specific
needs
for
youth
would
be
or
what
is
it
that
calls
you
for
I?
Guess
it'll
cause
you
to
call
for
a
youth,
specific
strategy.
E
I
know
we
have
a
number
of
tools
that
are
at
our
disposal.
We
have
harm
reduction,
supports
and
other
services.
Are
there
concerns
or
barriers?
You
think
that
youth
face,
perhaps
in
accessing
some
of
those
or
likely.
Likewise,
you
know
Investments
that
are
made
in
recovery
and
some
of
these
other
services
throughout
the
Health
Care
system.
I
recognize.
Perhaps
it's
a
bit
of
a
broad
question,
but
I
am
just
curious
sort
of
what
your
thoughts
are
on
some
of
the
things
that
need
to
be
targeted
in
a
youth
specific
strategy
to
address
those
concerns.
H
I
believe
that
one
of
the
things
that
needs
to
be
first
and
foremost,
is
the
developing
brain.
So
a
young
person's
brain
is
at
a
different
place
than
yours
or
mine,
and
that
brain
is
still
developing
until
about
30.
and
so
and
they
don't
have
the
same
sense
of
consequences
that
adults
do
so
what
we
heard
about
a
lot
when
we
were
doing
the
opioid
reports.
Both
of
them
was
things
like
pill,
parties
where
they
would
go
to
a
party
and
get
everybody
through
pills
in
a
bowl.
H
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
a
party
and
taking
a
pill
that
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
Young
people
will,
because
it's
a
sense
of
Daring
and
adventure,
and
so
some
of
those
things,
if
we
don't-
and
it
goes
back
to
that
early
early
intervention
prevention-
stuff,
like
talking
to
young
people
when
they're
in
grade
two
and
grade
three
I'm,
not
saying
that
they
need
to
have
the
same
level
of
information
as
a
young
person
in
grade
10.
H
E
E
So
in
that
development-
and
obviously
the
government
has
indicated
they
believe,
that's
a
responsibility
of
Alberta
Health-
you
don't
seem
to
have
a
sense
at
Alberta.
Health
is
sort
of
working
on
that
at
the
moment,
but
I
guess
what
other?
What
other
government
Ministries
do?
You
think
should
be
at
the
table
here.
So
is
this
something
then
this
should
be
a
collaborative
process
to
your
view,
I
mean.
Obviously
we
have
a
Ministry
of
mental
health
and
addictions.
Obviously
they
should
be
at
the
table.
E
Is
this
something
that
you
think
we're
Children's
Services
should
have
role?
Obviously
your
office?
Would
you
like
to
be
at
the
table
for
those
discussions.
H
I
would
like
to
be
at
the
table,
I
believe
Justice,
like
the
young
offenders
branch,
which
doesn't
exist
anymore,
but
so
the
the
branch
of
justice
that
deals
with
young
people
and
incarcerated
and
on
probation
education
for
sure,
because
they've
got
those
young
people
in
their
care
for
eight
hours
a
day,
so
Justice
Education,
Health,
Community
and
Social
Services
mental
health
and
addictions
for
sure,
and
it's
not
I,
don't
they
have
an
out
and
out
said
that
they
don't
agree
with
it,
but
what
it
just
kind
of
seems
to
be
sitting
kind
of
in
this
nebulous.
H
D
Yeah
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
you
do.
I
I
really
understand
the
emotional
stream
that
it
can
be
in
the
challenge,
especially
long
term
working.
Those
kind
of
contexts
can
definitely
be
challenging
a
couple
of
different
questions,
I
suppose
we'll
start
with
the
first
one
on
on
page
23,
you
mentioned
that
your
office
held
a
lot
of
or
a
number
of
workshops
and
presentations
and
other
forms
of
direct
stakeholder
and
public
engagement
over
the
past
past
year.
D
I.
Just
wonder
how
you
measure
your
success
level
of
that
and
how
you
feel
you
know.
Maybe
you
could
just
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
what
you
feel
are
the
successes
there
with
regards
to
those
public
engagements
and
and
whether
you
see
that
increasing
decreasing
over
previous
years.
That
kind
of
thing,
okay,.
H
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
during
the
pandemic,
our
number
of
public
engagements
reduced
not
pretty
significantly
and
all
of
our
presentations
were
virtual
up
until
the
end
of
March
this
year.
So
this
this
annual
report
covers
that
period
of
time
when
we're
only
doing
presentations
virtually
since
getting
back
to
the
office
in
April,
we
have
been
doing
a
ton
of
in-person
presentations
and
booths.
H
H
H
The
other
area
that
we
do
a
lot
of
is
advocacy
101.
So
we
know
so
that's
just
basic
advocacy
and
self-advocacy.
H
So
we
really
try
to
teach
communities
and
the
public
about
what
they
can
do
to
Advocate
one
for
themselves
and
for
others,
and
what
what
what's
entailed
in
that,
and
primarily,
is
that
you're
not
you
know,
you're,
not
a
decision
maker
but
you're,
raising
the
issues
that
your
person
wants,
raised
and
you're
standing
up
for
them
and
with
them,
and
so
our
advocacy
101
workshops
are
very
well
attended
and
sought
after
and
so
we're
doing
those
fairly
frequently
we're.
Also
at
teachers
convention
the
foster
parents
conference.
We
were
at
the
Youth
Care
conference.
D
Did
you
have
a
follow-up
briefly,
so
I
would
assume
then,
especially
as
covet
passing
you'll
see
an
increase
or
plan
to
be
an
increase
in
those
and
and
and
I
guess,
I
mean
in
some
ways.
I'm
always
interested
in
the
hard
to
measure
things
is.
Is
I
mean
what
a
really
interests
me
is
is:
do
you
have?
D
How
do
you
know
what
impact
those
are
having
I
understand?
Yeah
I
mean
there's,
process
of
doing
them
is
easily
measurable,
but
but
how
do
you
measure
the
impact
in
terms
of
of
the
kids
themselves
and
and
and
the
service
providers
the
stakeholders?
How
is
it
improving
the
whole
relationship?
I,
guess,
I,
don't
know
it's
a
hard
question
to
answer.
I
get
it.
H
It
is
a
hard
question
to
answer
and
it's
kind
of
like
herding
cats,
mostly
I,
think
where
we
hear
the
the
most
beneficial
kind
of
feedback
is
when
young
people
or
their
families
come
to
us
and
said:
oh
I
went
to
I
I
went
20-year
sessions
and
you
know
what
I
I
didn't
get.
What
I,
like
my
caseworker
wasn't
involving
me
and
I
was
able
to
stand
up
and
say:
hey
it's
my
right
to
be
involved,
and
so
those
aren't.
We
don't
have
a
way
of
measuring
those.
H
B
Okay,
Miss.
G
Pancholi,
thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
we
have
we've
seen
your
report.
Eight
new
recommendations
that
were
included.
This
is
on
page
28,
eight
new
recommendations
that
were
included
in
the
2021
year
and,
of
course,
there
was
a
mention
as
well
as
of
another
10
recommendations
that
are
in
the
process
of
being
evaluated
so
18
overall,
and
when
we
look
at
these
recommendations,
they
highlight
work,
that's
being
done
by
a
number
of
child
serving
Ministries.
I
know
it's
common
for
people
to
assume
children.
G
So
you
have
recommendations
here
for
many
different
Ministries
and
you've
been
I.
Think
the
office
has
been
quite
consistent
in
terms
of
recommending
that
those
Ministries
come
before
a
committee
to
have,
in
some
respects,
I
believe
the
conversation
we're
trying
to
have
right
now
when
we're
saying
what
does
house
say
about
that
and
what
does
education
say
about
this?
G
Really,
the
I
as
I
understand
it.
The
goal
is
to
have
those
Ministries
come
themselves
and
speak
to
the
recommendations.
Do
you
think
it's
important
I
guess
that
all
of
these
all
of
these
child
serving
Ministries
have
this
opportunity
to
have
this
public
discussion
about
their
work.
Or
would
you
say
just
you
know
one
Ministry,
Children's
Services
being
the
primary
one
that
you
know
you
interact
with,
or
would
you
say
all
Ministries
should
be
coming
before
a
committee.
H
If
we
were
going
to
have
a
public
dialogue,
whether
it
be
at
a
committee
or
some
other
format,
I
think
any
any
child
serving
ministry
as,
but
if
they've
had
a
recommendation,
that's
their
part
of
it
would
be
interesting
to
have
that
conversation.
You
know
the
conversation
around
2-1-1.
Well,
really,
why?
Why
does
that?
Ministry
feel
that
that
meets
the
intent
of
that
recommendation
and
and
I
think
that
thoughtful
public
dialogue
is
really
all
we're.
Looking
for
I'm
not
looking
to
cast
blamers,
because
our
reports
don't
find
blame,
but
just
a
conversation.
G
G
The
child
and
youth
Advocate
has
come
before
this
committee
because
of
the
relationship
to
my
credit
portfolio,
but
I've
been
here
in
this
committee
a
number
of
times
now,
where
the
opposition
side
has
supported
the
recommendations
made
by
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
to
have
that
public
reporting
and,
in
fact,
I
believe
the
former
Advocate
mentioned
last
year,
when
we
were
at
this
committee
that
when
these
this
change
in
process
evolved
in
2018
and
the
role
of
The
Advocates
office
expanded
it
was.
G
It
was
contemplated
at
that
time
that
Ministries
would
come
before
a
committee
to
report
on
their
work
to
implement
recommendations.
So
this
goes
back
quite
a
ways
this
this
intention
to
do
this.
This
sort
of
work
and
given
that
these
are
just
the
recommendations
that
you
have
on
the
books
right
now
for
these
Ministries.
But
you
know,
should
there
be
some
consensus
that
Ministries
should
appear
before
this
committee.
G
It's
sort
of
setting
a
precedent
right
to
some
extent,
because
this
will
be
the
first
time
in
the
three
years
since
the
committee
has
been
reviewing
the
annual
report
that
Ministries
come
forward.
So
would
you
agree
that
it's
important
that
you
know
any
child
serving
Ministry
have
the
recommendation?
Who
has
a
recommendation
come
before
a
committee
and
that
perhaps
your
office
should
be
at
the
table
as
well
to
sort
of
be
a
technical
supporter
to
be
able
to
flesh
out
those
conversations
and
the
intent
of
the
recommendations
for
that
discussion?
H
I
I
think
the
more
public
transparency
and
accountability
that's
available
for
albertans
is
a
good
thing,
and
so
how
how
this
committee
or
the
Legislative
Assembly
decided
that
decides
that
what
would
be
good,
I
I
would
be
happy
to
be
part
of
and
I,
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
thing
to
have
those
conversations
in
a
public
way.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Miss
Lovely,.
L
Aside
now
from
substance
abuse,
mental
health
is
another
crucial
issue
that
disproportionately
affects
vulnerable
albertans
I
was
very
sad
to
see
that
many
young
people
passed
away
tragically
due
to
Suicide
over
the
past
year.
In
your
report,
I
didn't
see
a
share
of
total
deaths
attributed
to
suicide
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
provide
more
information
on
how
many
of
these
deaths
occurred
in
2122
due
to
suicide.
H
Foreign
yeah
we're
just
going
to
have
a
quick
look
for
that.
The
one
of
the
things
that's
also
in
the
annual
report
is
at
the
back
all
of
our
investigative
reviews
and
a
brief
format.
H
H
It's
the
same,
similar
as
what
we
would
do
for
young
people
with
substance
use.
We
would
support
them
to
access
those
Services.
Often
our
Advocates
find
that
when
young
people
are
are
contacting
them
and
looking
for
advocacy,
sometimes
they're
not
getting
the
supports
or
the
services
that
they
need,
and
so
they
Advocate
then
would
help
that
young
person
raise
that
with
their
caseworker
or
service
provider.
H
G
Thank
you.
So
we
had
a
discussion
earlier
on
about
sort
of
the
number
of
deaths.
Let's
say
when
a
child
might
be
in
the
intake
or
assessment
stage.
G
We
know
looking
at
the
2021
statistics
that
are
publicly
reported
by
children's
services,
that
the
number
of
intakes
that
were
began
for
children's
services
dropped
by
17.
Those
numbers
are
even
lower
this
year,
they're
33
percent.
G
So
my
understanding
is
that
if
a
call
or
report
is
made
to
Children's
Services
and
there's
a
determination
made,
if
there's
going
to
be
an
intake
or
an
assessment
and
then
then
a
file
is
opened
right
and
then,
of
course,
if
the
ministry
decides
no
no
intake
is
required
that
there's
no
real
record
of
sort
of
what
happens
after
that
and
I
confirmed
that
when
that
the
ministry
came
before
our
Public
Accounts
committee
just
before
Christmas
time-
and
they
said
no,
we
still
really
there's
no
record
of
what
happens.
G
Does
your
office
at
all
get
involved
or
get
notified
or
or
I?
Guess
you
wouldn't
get
notified
but
get
contacted
by
any
young
people,
or
even
you
know,
caring
adults
who
are
concerned
about
you
know.
They've
approached
for
intake
and
take
hasn't
happened.
Would
you
be
involved
with
any
children
or
youth
who
are
haven't
been
accepted
for
intake
or
assessment?
G
H
Policies
and
our
legislation
allows
us
to
support
young
people
who
are
seeking
services,
so
they
don't
already
have
to
have
an
open
file.
So
we
I
couldn't
give
you
the
numbers.
I
could
find
them
and
put
them
in
the
same
briefing
that
I
send
forward.
But,
yes,
we
do
help
young
people
get
their
files
opened
or
try
to.
G
I
guess
on
that
note,
I
mean
seeing
those
numbers
drop
in
terms
of
intakes
and
and
we
we
would
like
it,
of
course,
to
be
thinking
that
it's
because
there
are
fewer
children
who
are
in
need
of
intervention
and
supports.
The
concern,
of
course,
is
that
we
have
other
statistics
out
there
that
suggest
children
are
not
faring
better
than
they
were,
and
just
obviously
most
obviously
are
the
the
statistics
that
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
deaths
of
serious
injuries
both
of
children
that
are
in
care
seeking
care,
maybe
individually
or
independently
living.
G
So
do
you?
Do
you
see
a
concern
in
the
drop
in
intakes,
and
you
mentioned
that
you're
being
contacted
by
young
people
who
are
seeking
to
have
a
file
open?
G
H
Those
calls
are
generally
coming
from
older
adolescents
who
are
seeking
supports,
and
yes,
I'm
concerned
with
the
drop
in
intakes
is
one
of
those
things
that
it's
hard
to
really
understand
what
the
consequences
will
be
over
time
until
we
we
see
what's
happening
I
in
my
in
my
past
experience,
I
was
an
intake
worker
and
we
always
documented
intakes
and
so
I've
been
a
little
bit
surprised
that
not
all
calls
are
being
documented
and-
and
that
concerns
me
because
it
also,
if
there's
a
pattern,
you
don't
see
it
and
I've
said
a
number
of
times.
H
We
we
did
a
report
a
few
years
ago
called
Catherine
and
she
was
a
young
woman
who
died
by
Suicide
and
her
family
were
seeking
services
and,
just
being
you
know,
sent
back
to
the
hospital,
and
the
recommendation
we
made
was
that
if
families
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
turn
and
Children
Services
is
where
they
turn
they
should
get
help
and
and
I've
said
for
years,
and-
and
you
know
this,
nobody
wants
Children's
Services
involved
in
their
family.
H
B
K
Can
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
through
you,
my
last
question
that
I
have
for
Ms.
Pelton
is
really
I.
I
wanted
to
understand.
I
was
asking
you
about.
K
You
know
if
you
knew
no
knew
any
studies
or
seen
any
patterns
in
in
the
past
about
you
know
how
covet
has
affected
drug
abuse,
alcohol
abuse,
suicide
amongst
youth
and
whether
or
not
this
you
know
as
we
move
away
from
covid
lockdowns
and
get
back
to
some
normal
life
that
we
would
be
able
to
have
a
better
situation
for
our
kids
and
and
for
our
youth.
K
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
have
you
done
any
cross
jurisdictional
analysis
of
other
provinces,
other
areas
in
terms
of
child
and
Care,
death,
stats
and
and
the
reason
why
I
ask
that
is?
Is
you
know
you
know
you
didn't
really
know
whether
or
not
covet
had
a
you
know.
Our
cobit
response
has
had
a
big
effect
or
not
a
big
effect,
but
is
this
happening
globally?
Is
it
happening
across
the
all
the
provinces?
H
A
regular
contact
with
their
colleagues
across
the
country,
around
numbers,
I,
haven't
seen
a
recent
jurisdictional
scan
anecdotally
and
Talking
To
The
Advocates
from
the
other
provinces.
It
is
a
concern
across
the
country.
H
In
our
conversation
today,
though,
I
I
think
that
there
is
value
in
us
having
we
have
a
team
of
researchers
and
analysts
and
I'll
be
asking
them
to
follow
up
on
an
intro
jurisdictional
scan
just
so
that
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
we
fit
with
the
rest
of
of
the
country
and
other.
You
know.
Other
First
World
countries.
A
K
You
to
know
that
one
death
is
too
many
deaths
and
and
one
injury
is
too
many
injuries,
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
to
obviously
decrease
this,
but
the
the
obviously
the
the
reason
why
I
asked
that
question
is
because
governments
all
over
the
world
had
to
make
decisions
policy
decisions
about
you
know
lockdowns
and
I
wanted
to
know
you
know.
Is
there
other
jurisdictions
that
did
it
better
than
we
did
and
so
that
their
numbers
were
lower
than
ours?
F
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
Ben
Pendleton,
for
your
in-depth
responses.
So
far
today,
I
do
have
some
questions
that
I
think
might
be
occurring
to
members
of
the
public
as
they
are
also
listening
today
and
it's
quite
often
the
standpoint
that
I
take
when
I
do
listen
to
presentations
to
this
committee.
F
What
would
the
public
be
thinking
when
they're
listening
to
these
responses
or
reading
the
reports
that
have
been
produced
that
we're
considering
today
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
and
struck
me
that
I
think
might
be
striking
the
public
as
odd
as
well?
Is
that
the
government,
as
you
say,
the
only
only
requirement
of
government
is
that
they
respond
within
a
75-day
period
and
beyond
that,
there's
no
requirement.
F
There
is
no
requirement
to
to
dictate
how
what
that
response
is
or
that
they
respond
in
any
Clarity
or
directly
to
the
issues
at
hand.
So
what
leads
me
to
question
more
in
depth
is
that
the
further
account
comments
that
you
made
about
what
recommendations
needed,
how
the
recommendations
needed
to
be
responded
to.
For
example,
you
indicated
that
after
three
years
evaluations
are
closed.
F
In
other
words,
whether
progress
has
been
made
or
not
whether
the
recommendation
has
been
met
or
not
the
the
recommendations
are
there
foreclosed
and
also
you
indicated
that
when
the
body
indicates
no
further
update
will
be
provided,
then
the
recommendation
is
closed.
In
other
words,
a
Ministry
says
we
don't
have
anything
more
to
offer
goodbye
and
they're
they're,
so
I
think
the
public
would
be
astounded
to
know
that
a
legislative
officer
has
no
teeth
to
enforce
the
accountability
of
the
ministry,
and
that's
one
of
the
themes
of
your
presentation
today.
F
That's
screaming
out
at
me
is
that
the
Ministries
have
no
shame
in
either
disregarding
you
or
or
were
not
responding
to
your
recommendations
and
that
I
think
defeats.
The
purpose
of
your
office
and
I
know
I've
served
on
a
Public
Accounts
committee,
and
certainly
the
auditor
general
wouldn't
take
no
for
an
answer.
F
Those
recommendations
of
the
auditor
general
from
his
or
her
annual
reports
go
on
and
on
on
Ellen
and
they
stay
on
the
books
until
there's
a
response,
and
sometimes
five
to
ten
years
later,
there's
outstanding
recommendations
and
there's
a
bit
of
a
shame
game
going
on
there
to
in
fact
get
the
ministry
to
finally
respond.
So
what,
in
like
one
one
thing
we
talked
about
today
in
the
committee
would
be
to
have
Ministries
appear
before
this
committee,
so
that
we
can
hopefully
enforce
some
greater
level
of
accountability.
F
In
response
to
your
recommendations,
that's
one
element.
We've
discussed.
We
can
maybe
expand
on
that
a
little
bit.
What
other
things
can
we
do
should?
Should
we
be
making
recommendations
for
a
government
to
do
to
ensure
that
the
Ministries
are
more
accountable,
because,
certainly
disregarding
the
recommendations
is
no
value?
It's
a
waste
of
everybody's
time
time.
These
Ministries
need
to
respond,
getting
them
to
appear
here.
Maybe
one
way
to
help.
Do
that?
What
other
teeth
would
you
like
to
have
in
your
Arsenal.
H
One
of
the
things
with
our
legislation
is
our
recommendations.
Are
non-binding
I,
don't
know
if
the
answer
is
to
make
them
binding
or
I.
I
think
another
place
that
the
governments
could
respond
to.
Our
recommendations
is
in
their
own
annual
reporting
or
in
your
Public
Accounts
committees.
H
The
problem
with
making
a
recommendation
binding
is,
if
it
isn't
implemented,
kind
of
in
a
timely
manner,
times
change
policies
change.
The
recommendation
may
not
be
as
relevant
as
it
was
when
it
was
made,
which
is
why
we
determined
that
after
three
years,
we
should
probably
close
them,
because
what
we
see
in
our
work
is
the
same
themes
emerge
over
and
over
and
over
again
it's
it's.
You
know
a
risk
assessment,
permanency
planning
relationships,
collaboration
like
those
are
probably
when
this
10-year
summary
comes
out
next
month.
H
You'll
see
those
are
the
themes
that
we
see
over
and
over
again.
So
when
we
had
all
of
the
recommendations
open
for
10
years,
we
ended
up
getting
the
same
response
for
a
number
of
recommendations,
and
so
it
just
got
really
muddy
and
it
seemed
to
make
more
sense
to
pick
an
arbitrary
date
and
we
chose
three
years
and
then
to
close
it
at
the
progress
it
was
made
so
clearly
and
all
of
our
recommendations.
H
Prior
to
2016
and
the
tour
to
better
tomorrow
report,
we're
Matt
were
or
met
the
intent
of
the
recommendation,
and
this
is
just
within
the
last
six
or
seven
years,
a
new
thing
that
we're
seeing
the
record
that
the
Ministries
are
saying.
We
don't
agree
with
your
recommendation
or
we
we
agree
with
the
intent.
But
what
we're
doing
is
already
okay.
When
what
we've
seen
in
our
reports
or
in
our
investigation
that
it
really
wasn't
what
we
were
hoping
to
see.
H
So
some
kind
of
more
public
conversation
as
I
is
I
think
where
we
need
to
end
up
I
and
I
believe
that
child
serving
Ministries
are
doing
what
they
can
to
support
young
people.
We
just
need
more
public
dialogue,
I
think.
F
A
follow-up
on
the
same
thing,
I
think
the
public
would
find
it
kind
of
astounding
that
the
Ministries
themselves
are
able
to
universally
or
you're
unilaterally
declare
an
interview
that
a
recommendation
is
closed
and
it
has
been
satisfied
or
has
been
met,
and
that's
certainly
not
something
that
happens
in
public.
F
I
guess
it's
up
to
us
as
committee
members
and
legislators,
to
perhaps
they
think
of
other
measures
that
would
improve
the
accountability
or
make
enforceability
more
pressing
to
to
Ministries.
To
actually
have
them
respond
to
their
recommendations
in
a
in
a
meaningful
way
and
publicly
respond,
and
we
certainly
look
forward
to
any
recommendations
from
yourself.
That
would
assist
us
in
identifying
ways
that
we
could
do
that.
F
But
I
I
find
it
intriguing
to
note
that,
in
with
respect
to
your
office
versus
the
the
respect
that
has
the
the
Ministries
have
for
the
office
of
the
auditor
general
that
the
your
your
office
doesn't
seem
to
have
the
same
clout
and
and
respect
from
Ministries
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
needs
to
change.
No
matter
who
the
legislative
officer
is.
F
Recommendations
coming
from
a
legislative
officer
should
be
given
the
same
level
of
respect
and
accountability,
and
that's
something
that
I'm
seeing
implicitly
in
your
report
and
I'm
determined
to
do
what
I
can
as
a
Committee
Member
to
ensure
that
we
look
for
more
main
ways
of
improving
that
accountability
and
respect
level
for
for
your
office
and
making
sure
these
recommendations
are
taken
seriously
and
acted
upon
before
that.
Three-Year
time
window
is
stalled
out
by
a
Ministry
that
doesn't
want
to
respond
to
your
recommendations.
So.
D
Oh
yeah,
thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
pick
up
a
little
bit
where
Mr
Hunter
left
off
I
actually
was
planning
to
sort
of
approach
the
same
subject
anyway.
We've
seen
an
increase.
Of
course.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
lagging
report
from
2001
to
the
first
quarter
of
22.
D
and
when
I
look
back
and
I
wonder
what
could
cause
the
increases
that
we're
seeing
clearly,
the
greatest
social
disrupter
has
been
the
pandemic.
As
you
mentioned,
the
lack
of
services
that
was
partly
a
consequence
of
that,
the
isolation
that
then
comes
out
of
that
21
to
the
first
quarter.
22
really
was
the
depth
of
covet
restrictions,
closures
of
schools,
no
sports
activities
in
indeed,
in
fact
many
sports,
Community,
Sports
volunteers
quit
and
disappeared
and
have
yet
to
return.
So
those
kinds
of
activities
aren't
available.
D
The
the
mental
and
emotional
stress
many
people
actually
almost
exhibiting
PTSD
symptoms,
somewhat
like
symptoms
anyway,
to
to
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
tragedy
of
covid.
Overall,
nobody
wished
it,
nobody
wanted
it,
but
but
it
it
left
us
with
that.
So
my
real
question
is:
do
the
increases
that
we're
seeing
indicate
in
some
way
the
costs
or
the
impacts?
D
I
guess
of
of
governments
being
forced
to
to
put
in
place
responses
to
covid
and
and
and
I
would
really
like
to
know
that
that
maybe,
in
the
future,
you'd
be
planning
to
create
some
sort
of
a
report
to
to
identify
those
the
impacts
of
covid.
D
All
of
those
costs
that
I
just
kind
of
briefly
skimmed
over
there
I
I
think
it's
something
that
that
we
really
do
have
to
identify
and
and
and
somehow
quantify
so
I
I
would
hope
that
that
your
department
will
be
somehow
and
the
cross
jurisdictional
conversation
looking
at.
How
do
we
analyze
that?
And
and
how
do
we
Define
the
impacts
of
all
of
that
on
the
lives
of
kids
that
we're
seeing
in
your
data.
H
I
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
can
certainly
look
at,
that's
why
we
were
involved
with
the
University
of
Calgary
research
and
so
they've
collected
the
data
that
found
that
yeah
really
relationships
were
impacted,
and
that
was
a
a
really
big
deal
for
these
young
people.
And
now
the
second
phase
of
the
research
is
like
what
now.
So,
what
like.
So
we
know
this
now.
H
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
make
it
so
that
young
people
can
be
healthy
again,
and
so,
as
that,
research
evolves,
we'll
make
sure
that
it's
available
on
our
website
and
and
perhaps
it
will
Merit
on
a
report
we'll
see
how
that
that
goes
in
the
coming
months
for
sure
yeah.
G
Mr,
chair
I'm,
just
gonna,
take
a
moment
to
comment
that
the
government
members
are
appear
to
be
quite
eager
to
attribute
to
what
we're
seeing
here,
solely
to
The
Limited
periods
of
time
that
things
were
shut
down
in
Alberta,
without
taking
a
responsibility
and
acknowledging
the
impact
of
things
like
cuts
to
Ace
and
the
child
and
family
benefits
and
income
supports,
and
education
and
health,
and
failure
to
build
affordable
housing
and
health
care
and
how
all
of
those
measures
have
impacted.
G
Children
and
Youth
in
Alberta,
and
so
I
remind
our
members
to
look
in
the
mirror
a
little
bit
and
take
a
look
at
the
actions
of
their
own
government
before
they're.
Quick
to
attribute
the
complex
issues
and
the
impacts
that
it's
had
on
Children
and
Youth
solely
to
one
thing.
I
want
to
go
and
just
ask
a
quick
question
in
terms
of
the
capacity
of
your
office
to
do
reviews,
mandatory
investigations
or
systemic
when
the
office
of
the
chief
medical
examiner
has
not
yet
determined
a
cause
of
death.
G
We
have
seen
that
since
2019
47
of
the
deaths
of
children
and
young
people
that
are
still
being
reported,
at
least
again
just
are
the
ones
that
report
on
the
government
site
there's
still
no
cause
of
death
and
the
determination
is
still
pending.
Those
numbers
seem
to
be
growing
each
year,
which
suggests
that
there
is
some
backlog
at
the
chief
medical
examiner
office
and
determining
those.
So
do
you
does
that
impact
your
investigation
at
all.
H
Not
generally,
if,
if
the
crown
or
the
police
request
to
stay,
then
that
will
impact
our
reviews.
We
are.
We
have
to
release
those
mandatory
reports
within
one
year
of
the
young
person
of
being
notified
of
The
Young
Person's
death
and
what
we
are
able
to
do
is
usually
the
police
or
the
chief
medical
examiner
gives
a
preliminary
cause
of
death,
and
we
indicate
that
in
our
reports
that
it
appears
that
this
is
the
cause
of
death,
but
it
has
yet
to
be
confirmed.
H
Yeah
I,
don't
think
it's
created
a
huge
problem,
because
we
don't
investigate
the
cause
of
the
child's
death.
We
want
to
look
at
their
life
experiences
and
how
systems
and
supports
supported
them
or
didn't
support
them.
So
the
cause
of
death
is
is
relevant,
but
it's
not
what
we
are
focusing
focusing
our
work
on.
G
Thank
you
for
that.
So
you
know
as
we're
looking
as
you
mentioned,
it
looks
like
the
upcoming
year
the
current
year
that
we're
in
has
seen
a
significant
number
of
notifications
as
well
and
I
know
in
your
report.
You
highlighted
on
pages,
so
we
go
back
page
27
of
the
annual
report.
G
We've
already
addressed
this
a
little
bit
about
the
number
of
children
who
have
died,
receiving
Services,
who
are
in
care
versus
you
know,
independent
living
or
parental
care
and
in
care
course
would
include
foster
care
kinship
care,
as
well
as
group
CARE,
we're
now
seeing
in
the
current
year,
a
number
of
like
a
significant
increase,
actually
in
the
number
of
deaths
that
are
taking
place
in
care,
which
suggests
in
one
of
those
three
areas,
foster
care,
kinship
Care,
Group
care
home.
Does
that?
G
Does
that
surprise,
you
or
I
don't
know
if
you've
been
keeping
an
eye
on
that
and
receiving
notifications
that
are
more
from
children
who
are
actually
in
government
care.
H
Does
surprise
me
a
little
bit
I
I
kind
of
hold
off
until
the
end
of
the
year
to
see
what
those,
what
the
the
trends
and
themes
are
for
the
whole
number.
H
H
So
I
think
it
depends
on
like
there's
a
little
boy
who
had
cancer
and
needed
a
medical
foster
home,
because
his
family
didn't
have
the
resources
locally
to
to
have
him
for
that
period
of
time,
and
then
he
went
home
and
he
passed
away
at
home,
but
he
had
been
in
care,
so
I
I
think
each
Young
Person's
circumstances
are
so
unique
and
until
I
read
and
really
understand
what
happened
for
each
individual
young
person.
It's
hard
for
me
to
comment
on
it
as
a
as
a
larger
group.
At
this
point.
L
H
Yes,
I
absolutely
can
a
very
high
percentage
of
our
general
inquiries
are
related
to
high
conflict,
custody
and
access
disputes.
So
when
families
are
struggling,
they
they
reach
wherever
they
can
for
help,
and
we
are,
we
provide
help
and
support,
and
so
many
many
of
our
general
inquiries
are
related
to
that.
So
we
did
our
resource
sheet
last
year.
That
helps
that's
on
our
website
as
well
as
available
for
us
to
email
them
if
they're
in
a
high
conflict
situation.
H
What
else
do
we
get
General
inquiries
about
if
young
people
are
trying
to
access
a
special
education
program,
but
they
aren't
receiving
services
from
youth,
Justice
or
children's
services,
and
it
doesn't
fit
within
the
scope
of
our
mandate?
Then
that's
a
general
inquiry,
so
we
do
have
some
where
we
have
to
spend
some
time
and
help
them
get
to
the
right
place
where
the
right
resources
are
for
them.
So
that's
our
general
inquiries.
L
H
I,
don't
know
if
it's
an
increase
I'd
have
to
find
out,
but
they
are
treated
differently
when
young
people
call
our
office,
our
receptionist
prioritizes
their
their
place
on
the
list.
So,
if
you
phoned,
we
would
make
a
we.
We
guarantee
that
we
call
you
within
24
hours
if
a
Young
Person's
on
the
other
end
of
the
phone,
regardless
of
whether
an
intake
workers
on
the
phone,
the
receptionist
will
find
another
intake
worker
or
an
advocate,
or
somebody
to
talk
to
that
young
person.
H
So
we
really
really
prioritize
those
calls
because,
just
like
I
said
when
families
call
Children's
Services,
they
don't
call
just
because
they're
looking
for
whatever
they're
desperate
and
so
when
young
people
call
our
office.
We
feel
like
they're
desperate
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
respond
immediately
to
their
calls.
F
You
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
again,
follow
up
on
the
line
of
questioning
that
was
on
earlier,
just
to
finish
it
off,
and
you
mentioned,
the
legislation
is
silent
on
on
whether
who
actually
gave
the
authority
to
ministers
to
determine
that
that
a
recommendation
was
indeed
closed.
F
They
can
unilaterally
determine
it,
and
you
indicated
that
you
couldn't
point
to
some
place
where
that
that
Authority
devolves
from
so
would
it
be
your
recommendation
to
this
committee
that
we
recommend
that
The
Minister's
Ministries
that
don't
have
that
Authority
and
a
little
bit
that
it
used
only?
You
would
have
the
authority
to
close
recommendations.
F
Well,
that
quote
different
perspectives
on
the
status
of
a
recommendation
may
be
had
I
guess
this
relates
to
what
I
was
talking
about
on
the
authority
to
close
recommendation
unilaterally,
just
because
a
Ministry
may
have
a
different
perspective
on
it
and
they
believe
it's
it's
met
been
met
and
you
haven't
so
it
may
be
going
a
long
way
to
making
sure
that
your
office
has
a
bit
more
power
and
to
actually
have
you
alone
as
a
designated
authority
to
determine
whether
a
recommendation
is
deep
met
or
not.
H
I
think
so
it's
one
of
those
things
that
I'd
like
to
take
some
time
to
think
about.
Certainly
over
time
it's
it's
apparent
that
recommendations
can
be.
H
We've
worked
really
hard
for
them,
not
to
be
ambiguous,
that
we
have
expected
outcomes
related
when
we
State
a
recommendation.
Why
is
it
that
recommendation
and
what
word
are
we
hoping
to
see,
and
so
over
time
we've
seen
an
evolution,
but
we
used
to
do
two-part
recommendations
and
now
we're
very
clear
that
we
do
one
so
that
they're
easier
to
address
and
try
to
simplify.
H
So
you
can
see
the
the
outcomes
and
and
and
they're
framed
in
such
a
way
that
they
are
manageable
and
doable,
and
so
I
think
anything
that
we
can
do
to
give
the
recommendations.
More
teeth
is
a
good
thing.
F
And,
of
course,
around
currently
you've
gone
to
a
three-year
time
frame,
full
recommendation
to
die
a
natural
death,
if
indeed
they've
not
been
met
or
Satisfied
by
that
time
frame
and
I'm
still
not
understanding
exactly.
Why?
F
B
F
You
Mr,
chair
and
I'll,
be
brief.
It
does
relate
to
the
chairs.
Well,
March,
14
2023
I
believe,
is
a
deadline
to
report
for
this
committee.
Correct
Mr,
chair,
I'm,
sorry,
March,
14,
2023,
the
deadline
to
report
so
Madame
Pelton.
You
had
indicated
that
you
had
some
responses
that
would
be
provided
in
writing
to
this
committee
to
some
questions
that
were
made
today
that
provided
with
enough
time
to
meet
that
deadline.
March
14,
2023,
I.
F
B
Okay,
I
believe
Mr
Hunter's
up
next.
B
B
K
K
On
the
floor,
all
right
page,
page
13
of
the
report
details
the
top
three
advocacy
issues
that
your
office
worked
on
this
year.
These
being
connections
placements
and
case
planning,
with
all
of
the
issues
that
your
office
deals
with.
Can
you
expand
on
why
these
were
defined
as
the
top
three
issues?
Is
it
because
of
the
frequency
their
importance
for
a
bit
of
both.
H
It's
the
frequency,
so
our
electronic
case
management
system
identifies
that
these
were
the
top
three
issues
that
were
reported
to
us
last
year.
So
when
the
odd,
when
an
advocate
works
with
a
young
person,
their
electronic
recording
includes
what
their
advocacy
issues
are,
that
they'll
be
following
up
on.
K
Okay,
I:
have
these
consistently
been
the
top
three
issues
that
your
office
deals
with.
B
Okay,
just
for
the
committee's
knowledge,
here
we
have
a
stop
time
at
four
o'clock.
We
have
business
that
is
going
to
have
to
be
attended
to
after
we're
finished,
questioning,
Miss
Pelton
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
many
questions
in
as
we
can.
J
B
G
So
I
was
wondering
when
I
was
going
to
get
cut
off.
I
could
go
all
day.
You
know
so
yeah
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
G
We
recently
saw
a
news
release
from
the
aupe,
which
indicated
that
in
Northern
Alberta
they
have
a
vacancy
rate
of
Frontline
child
intervention
workers
of
45
another,
but
a
number
of
communities
around
the
province
recently
that
have
had
no
staff
at
all
in
their
in
their
Regional,
Offices
and
Staffing
is
a
challenge
that
we
have
heard
about
significantly
over
the
last
little
while
in
children's
services,
particularly
recruiting
and
retaining
staff
you
you
know.
G
Obviously
your
office
gets
calls
from
young
people
who
are
you
know
either
engaged
in
the
system
or
or
looking
to
get
engaged
in
the
system.
Have
you
heard?
Have
those
Staffing
challenges
been
an
issue
that's
been
raised,
maybe
in
terms
of
caseload
for
particular
caseworkers
or
just
overall.
Have
you
seen
any
implications
of
those
Staffing
challenges
within
Children's
Services
on
the
Children
and
Youth
who
are
contacting
your
your
office.
H
Anecdotally,
I
can
think
maybe
about
one
or
two
cases,
but
I
don't
hear
about
them.
All
that
would
be
just
a
you
know
in
an
advocacy
meeting.
H
I
have
heard
it
more
from
The
Advocates
across
the
country
that
it's
an
issue.
I
I've
asked
children's
services
and
the
last
I
heard
they
were.
They
felt
they
had
it
under
control.
So
I'm
I
can't
really
comment
on
Staffing.
G
Thank
you,
and
so
perhaps
not
on
Staffing,
particularly
but
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
I've,
I've
heard
from
young
people
who
are
in
the
system
and
who
talk
about
challenges
with
you
know
they
they
need
to
get
their
ID
set
up
before
they
can
go
access
the
service
and
they
can't
find
their
caseworker
or
their
caseworkers.
You
know
not
available
for
a
period
of
time
and
it's
it's
hindering
their
ability
to
sort
of
access,
certain
supports
and
services.
G
In
that
way,
have
you
heard
about
concerns?
You
know
maybe
just
availability
and
accessibility
of
of
caseworkers
or
is
that?
Is
that
an
issue?
That's
come
up.
H
I
haven't
directly
I've
heard
about
it
in
the
coffee
room
and
so
for
an
answer
to
that.
I'd
rather
I'd
like
to
talk
to
our
intake
team
and
and
provide
it
in
my
written
response
to
the
other
questions.
I'll.
Let
you
know
whether
intake's
encountering
that.
C
Thank
you,
chair
and
I'm,
going
to
refer
to
page
14
on
the
report
with
regards
to
the
lawyers
that
you
you
provide
for
young
people
in
some
child
intervention.
Court
matters
and
I
see
that
there's
66
roster
lawyers
across
the
province
with
70
percent
operating
out
of
either
Edmonton
or
Calgary
and
I
guess.
My
question
is:
is
it?
Is
that
pretty
static
that
number
70,
Edmonton
or
Calgary,
and
in
how
do
we
ensure
that
albertan's
children
living
in
rural
areas
are
are
being
able
to
access
the
legal
services
they
need.
H
Program,
95
lawyers,
when
a
lawyer
is
offered
an
appointment
they
commit
to
being
in
whatever
Court
City
that
Young
Person's
at
in
the
last
five
years
or
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
energy
put
into
trying
to
recruit
more
rural
lawyers
so
that
they
are
actually
in
the
community,
because
we
know
that
Community
lawyers
know
the
the
standards
within
their
Community.
They
know
their
judges,
but
the
way
that
we've
managed
to
work
around
the
the
I
don't
want
to
say
lack
of
interest.
H
But
there
aren't,
as
many
lawyers
practicing
rurally
who
want
to
do
child
legal
representation.
We
used
to
have
two
in
Grand
Prairie,
but
there's
I
hate
to
say
it:
lots
of
divorce
matters
and
family
court
matters
that
took
those
lawyers
Focus
away
from
this,
and
so
through
the
the
program.
There's
lots
of
training
and
really
we
focus
on
child
legal
representation
and
the
role
of
council,
and
so
we
are
always
trying
to
bring
in
more
rural
lawyers.
H
C
H
C
Just
just
a
follow-up
that
I
delete.
You
mentioned
that
they're
putting
in
a
lot
of
effort
into
trying
to
recruit
more
in
rural
areas,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
does
concern
me
a
little
bit
that
possibly
we
haven't,
found
the
magic
solution
to
ensure
that
that
that
that
availability
is
secured
in
rural
I
guess
my
question
would
be.
Do
you
have
any
other
plans
to
further
improve
accessibility
of
lawyers
in
rural
Alberta.
H
On
a
regular
basis,
the
manager
of
the
program
sends
letters
to
like
the
the
bar.
That's
in
that
local
area
asking
if
there's
any
interest,
we
try
to
do
presentations
as
much
as
possible.
Again
during
the
pandemic,
we
didn't
we
weren't,
making
we
weren't
able
to
get
into
communities
in
the
same
level
that
we
are
now.
So
we
have
a
ton
of
road
trips
to
do
for
all
purposes.
Talking
about
why
advocacy
is
important,
but
also
are
there
lawyers
who
are
interested
in
child
legal
representation.
H
We
also
have
a
higher
a
high
standard,
so
they
have
to
have
five
years
experience.
They
have
so
there's
not
every
young
lawyer
passing
the
bar
can
just
come
and
work
on
our
roster,
so
that
presents
a
another
challenge,
but
we
have
expanded
our
policies
with
some
students
can
get
some
experience
and
work
with
our
more
senior
lawyers.
B
G
You
Mr
chair
I
only
have
one
question
to
read
into
the
record:
I
know
shocking,
so
as
part
of
your
written
responses,
if
you
could
address
in
March
2021,
your
office
took
the
unprecedented
step
of
issuing
a
statement
of
concern
calling
for
the
government
of
Alberta,
with
leadership
from
the
ministry
of
justice
and
solicitor
general
and
support
from
Child
serving
Ministries
to
take
action
to
ensure
that
formal
and
informal
supports
are
readily
available
to
families
in
high
conflict
custody
disputes.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
would
like
to
thank
Ms
Belton
for
joining
us
today.
We
truly
do
appreciate
how
busy
you
are,
and
the
time
you've
taken,
you're
welcome
to
stay
and
to
observe
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
from
the
gallery.
However,
if
you
have
other
commitments
to
attend
to
this
afternoon,
please
feel
free
to
take
your
leave
instead.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service.
B
Okay,
I
would
like,
as
the
chair,
to
make
a
suggestion
that
we
take
a
five
minute
bio
break.
We've
been
at
it
for
quite
a
while
here,
so
if
we
could
return
at
what's
the
time
five
minutes,
303
303,
if
we
could
return
to
303,
that
would
allow
us
to
be
able
to
have
a
buyer
rate.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
Back
in
this
committee
has
just
heard
from
The
Advocate
as
part
of
its
consideration
of
the
office
of
child
and
youth
Advocate
annual
report
2021-22.
We
now
at
the
point
where
we
need
to
decide
what
is
the
is
next
in
terms
of
our
review
under
government
motion
18..
Does
anyone
have
any
thoughts
in
this
regard?
C
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
guess,
considering
the
responsibility
that
we
have
been
given
and
based
on
experience
with
other
reviews
from
other
committees.
I
think
that
one
of
the
first
steps
this
committee
should
consider
is
to
invite
briefings
from
a
few
from
the
relevant
Ministry,
so
I
think
I.
Take
a
look
at
the
Mandate
of
the
youth.
Advocate
is
surrounds.
C
The
office
of
child
and
youth
Advocate
is
an
independent
Office
of
the
legislative
assembly
of
Alberta
mandated
to
work
with
vulnerable
young
people.
The
ocya
provides
individual
and
systemic
advocacy
for
Children
and
Youth
receiving
designated
Services,
as
defined
under
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
Act,
and
so
with
that
mandate
in
mind.
I
I
believe
that
when
we
talk
about
children
and
youth
receiving
designated
Services
under
that
act
and
I
would
move
that.
J
A
B
Standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministry
of
children's
services
to
provide
a
briefing
on
the
ministry's
response
to
the
recommendations
in
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-22
annual
report
at
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee.
Is
there
any
discussion,
Ms
Peninsula
thank.
G
You
Mr
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
clarify
some
of
the
language
in
the
motion,
so
it
the
motion
speaks
to
the
ministry
of
children's
services.
Providing
a
briefing
to
the
committee.
I
just
want
to
clarify
whether
or
not
a
briefing
includes
an
opportunity
for
committee
members
to
ask
questions
of
the
ministry
officials.
G
Wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
clearly
on
board.
You
know.
Obviously
we
have
been
very
clear
from
the
official
opposition
side
we've
been
calling
for
many
Ministries,
but
we'll
begin
with
Ministry
of
children
services
to
come
before
the
this
committee
or
another
committee,
the
legislature,
to
report
on
the
recommendations
made
by
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate.
G
This
is
the
third
meeting
at
which
this
is
has
come
up
as
an
issue
and
I'm
I'm,
certainly
pleased
to
see
that
the
government
members
have
finally
come
around
to
some
extent
on
that,
because
certainly,
as
we've
heard
here,
it
is
critically
important
that
for
public
accountability
and
transparency,
particularly
at
a
time
when
we're
seeing
the
heartbreaking
increase
in
the
number
of
children
in
Youth
and
care
who
have
and
receiving
Services
who
have
died
and
been
seriously
injured
under
this
government's
watch,
we
certainly
need
more
accountability.
G
Now,
more
than
ever
so
certainly,
we
will
be
following
up
I
believe
with
another
motion,
because
we
believe
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
all
Ministries
who
receive
recommendations
from
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
should
also
come
before
this
committee.
But
speaking
directly
to
the
wording
that
is
is
provided
here
we
can
and
the
Assurance
by
the
committee
members
and
the
chair
that
we
would
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
ministry
officials.
I
certainly
think
we
can
support
this
motion.
B
G
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
given
what
we've
just
spoken
about,
as
well
as
the
presentation?
G
More
importantly,
that
we
just
heard
today
from
The
Advocate
as
well
as
presentations
that
have
been
made
to
this
committee
by
the
previous
Advocate
multiple
times
about
the
importance
of
all
child
serving
Ministries
coming
and
reporting
to
a
committee
publicly
about
their
work
that
they've
done
to
implement
recommendations
from
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
I'd
like
to
move
the
following
motion:
I'd
like
to
move
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministries
of
health,
education,
Justice
and
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
to
report
progress
and
recommendations
made
to
them
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
office
and
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-22
annual
report
by
the
office
of
the
child.
G
Yes,
if
I
just
speak
to
the
motion
a
little
bit
more
while
it's
being
put
up
on
the
screen,
okay
go
right
ahead.
Yeah.
Thank
you.
As
we
see
in
the
annual
report,
that's
indicated
that.
M
We're
looking
at
today
as
part
of
this
meeting,
for
example,
on
page
28
of
the
annual
report,
the
office
of
the
child
news
Advocate,
has
outlined
eight
new
recommendations.
G
That
they
made
in
that
fiscal
year,
we've
seen
more
recommendations
since,
and
those
recommendations
relate
to
very
important
things
that
other
Ministries
outside
of
children's
services
do
to
support.
Children
and
Youth.
I
want
to
note
for
the
record
that
the
that
the
Mandate
of
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
also
includes
children
who
are
involved
in
the
youth
criminal
justice
system.
G
So
it's
not
simply
just
those
children
who
are
receiving
services
from
Children's
Services,
but
actually
those
who
are
receiving,
who
are
involved
in
some
way
with
the
youth
criminal
justice
system
as
well.
So
that
speaks
to,
of
course,
the
need
to
include
the
ministry
of
justice,
but
again
going
back
to
these
eight
recommendations
simply
from
2021-22.
G
They
address
important
issues
that
speak
to
the
whole
of
the
child
child
in
youth.
We
have
talked
about
already
in
this
committee
meeting
and
heard
from
The
Advocate
and
had
this
conversation
here
about
all
these
interplays
of
issues
that
influence
a
child
and
use
safety
and
well-being
and
health,
and
sometimes,
in
some
cases,
they're,
very
life
and
those
relate
to
issues
that
are
not
solely
the
responsibility
of
children's
services.
They
relate
to
issues
that
are
the
responsibility
of
Justice
For
example.
G
One
of
the
recommendations
that
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
made
was
that
the
ministry
of
justice
and
solicitor
general
should
reassess
risk
offenders,
the
risk
that
offenders
pose
and
offer
to
safety
plan
with
victims
of
Family
Violence.
When
offenders
are
released
from
incarceration,
that's
a
critically
important.
The
reason
that
recommendation
came
about
was
because
of
the
deaths
of
children
who
were
killed
by
a
family
member
who
was
released
from
the
criminal
justice
system
and
there
was
no
safety
plan
in
place.
This
is
a
critically
important
recommendation.
G
We
deserve
to
hear
from
the
ministry
of
justice
as
to
what
work
they're
doing
to
implement
that
we
had
many
questions
from
the
members
of
this
committee
from
all
sides.
Speaking
about
youth
opioid
use.
We
know
that
yes,
there's
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
sorry
Ministry
of
mental
health
and
addictions,
but
they
report
to
the
Ministry
of
Health.
G
We
talked
about
the
importance
of
education
and
the
kids
learning
about
the
safety
of
drugs
and
asking
questions
and
understanding
the
importance
of
of
knowledge,
of
about
drug
poisoning
as
part
of
their
education
system,
so
equally
important
that
we
have
the
Ministry
of
Education
come
before
this.
This
committee,
so
I
appreciate
that
it
is.
C
Yes
and
I
understand
the
the
desire
to
hear
from
all
of
these
different
Ministries,
but
we
are
working
within
a
90-day
limit
and
we
will
be
getting
into
a
busy
time
in
the
legislature
with
budget
estimates
and
the
like.
So
given
that
it
would
be
important
for
us
to
learn
what
these
Ministries
are
doing
to
address
the
recommendation.
C
B
C
C
Would
you
read
the
motion,
so
I
I
would
make
amendment
to
motion
that
the
motion
be
amended
as
follows:
by
a
by
striking
out
invite
officials
and
substituting
request,
officials
and
B
by
striking
out
Justice
and
seniors
community
and
social
services
and
substituting
and
justice
that
by
striking
out
report,
progress
on
recommendations
made
to
them
as
part
of
the
review
of
and
substituting
provider
written
report
to
the
committee
with
respect
to
the
recommendations
made
to
Ministries
in
and
then
finally
d,
by
striking
out
at
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee
and
substituting
on
or
before
February
6
2023.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
Once
again,
we
see
government
members
looking
to
limit
discussions
that
may
be
had
around
the
issues
that
are
raised
by
Iraq
and
Nations
brought
forward
by
the
office
of
the
child.
Youth
Advocate
and
the
Advocates
spoke
clearly
today
in
her
recommendation
and
presentation
to
this
committee
about
the
need
to
improve
transparency
and
to
improve
the
accountability
for
her
office
and
for
to
accountability
of
Ministries
and
responding
to
her
office's
recommendations.
And
everything
about
this
amendment
to
the
initial
resolution
is
about
limiting
that
desire
of
the
office
of
the
child.
F
Youth
Advocate
to
improve
accountability.
Having
Ministries
appear
in
person
allows
this
committee
to
speak
directly
to
them
in
in,
in
fact
implore.
A
response
publicly
and
simply
by
allowing
Ministries
to
respond
in
writing
is
a
way
once
again
ensuring
they
have
the
ability
to
ignore
the
office
of
the
child
of
Youth
Advocates
and
the
recommendations
to
he
seeks
to
have
them
Implement.
F
So
I
am
disappointed
by
the
the
government's
desire,
the
government
members
desire
to
to
water
down
the
hope
that
we
have
on
this
side
to
improve
accountability,
and
this
motion
or
the
amendment
certainly
something
I
would
oppose.
B
B
D
Yeah
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
I
I
think
the
members
opposite
are
posturing
a
little
bit
here.
They
want
to
try
and
make
it
sound
like
they've
done
everything
and
we're
not
the
truth
of
the
matter.
Is
they
had
their
own
set
of
recommendations
in
2017,
a
review
of
the
act
and
they
didn't
even
follow
up
on
them
when
they
were
in
government
back
in
2017
as
well.
D
Using
pmla
Mike
Ellis
tried
to
pass
Serenity's
law
with
an
NDP
government
and
it
re
did
not
receive
the
support
it
needed
from
them.
At
the
time
the
children's
Minister
used
NDP
children's
Minister
voiced
concerns
about
unintended
consequences
and
confusions
and
Serenity's
mother
met
with
the
minister
and
is
quoted
afterward
as
saying
every
time
I
asked
her
if
she
supported
Serenity's
law
and
the
children
of
Alberta,
she
refused
to
say
yes
every
time
she
basically
made
up
excuses.
D
It
took
an
NDP,
a
UCB
government
to
actually
passed
that
that
important
act
and
and
I
think
that
considering
the
amount
of
time
we've
got,
this
is
time
limited
to
to
get.
This
report,
in
asking
for
written
submissions
actually
requires
a
more
carefully
thought
out
and
thorough
response
from
various
departments,
and
so
I
think
every
member
should
support
the
Amendments.
Thank
you.
B
G
Geez
I
really
have
to
say
I
think
that
honorable
member,
whoever
wrote
his
speaking
notes
for
him
should
be
ashamed
of
themselves.
Let's
go
back
Mr
chair
and
this
committee
needs
to
understand
a
little
bit
about,
or
at
least
the
government
members
need
to
understand
what
this
committee's
work
is
doing.
The
first
time
that
the
Office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
came
before
this
committee
to
have
their
annual
report
reviewed
was
in
29
2020
to
review
their
2018-2019
annual
report.
G
So
it's
under
this
government
was
the
first
time
that
the
advocate
came
before
this
committee
and
presented
their
annual
report.
At
that
time.
The
opposition
member
said
we
wanted
to
see
other
Ministries
come
before,
as
The
Advocate
recommended
to
speak
to
their
recommendations
that
they
have
or
have
not
implemented.
G
This
came
before
this
committee
again
in
2021
2022
and
now
here
in
2023,
consistently
The
Advocate
has
indicated
that
they
believe
all
Ministries
should
come
before
this
assembly
or
before
this
committee
and
speak
to
the
implementation
of
recommendations.
The
member
over
there
can
talk
about
what
happened
beforehand.
The
fact
that
we
are
here
right
now-
and
we
are
facing
the
past
two
years
and
a
current
year,
looking
forward
where
we
have
seen
an
astronomical
increase,
heartbreaking,
devastating
increase
in
the
number
of
children,
youth
and
care
that
is
not
partisan.
G
G
We
are
going
to
continue
to
raise
and
we've
heard
The
Advocates
say
that
the
numbers
are
going
to
be
worse
in
the
upcoming
year.
She's
already
seen
an
increase
in
notifications.
This
is
not
about
partisanship.
It's
about
saying.
There
are
children
and
youth
who
are
dying
and
it's
unprecedented,
and
we
should
all
it's
not
partisan.
We
should
all
be
interested
in
knowing
what
work
is
being
done.
What
actions
are
being
taken?
What
more
could
be
done?
G
What
are
you
doing
that
is
currently
enough?
Does
it
address
this
part
of
the
recommendation
and
if
we
had
the
advocate
here,
to
provide
some
technical
support,
they'd
also
be
able
to
say
this
is
what
we
meant
by
the
recommendation.
Maybe
that's
something
different
than
what
you
think
we
meant,
and
it
is
to
allow
for
that
transparency.
G
I.
Do
not
I,
don't
understand
why
the
government
members
would
be
hesitant
to
to
have
that
transparency
when
they
clearly
have
questions
as
well.
For
these
Ministries
and
in
fact
the
only
explanation
we've
heard
is
because
there's
not
enough
time
I
think
that
is
very,
very
poor,
Solace
for
the
children
and
families
and
Youth
who
are
being
affected,
who
have
died
and
are
seriously
injured,
and
we
have
been
calling
on
this
for
this
for
three
years.
G
G
Wow.
That's
I'd.
Ask
those
members
to
reflect
a
little
bit
on
that
rationale.
I
could
already
see
the
member
yeah
honorable
Ron
Orr
is
shaking
his
head
he's
not
going
to
reflect
on
that
he's
not
going
to
reflect
on
his
commitment
to
Children
and
Youth.
He
wants
to
play
politics
with
this.
This
is
really
about
transparency.
Mr,
chair
I,
urge
the
government
members
to
take
pause.
I
know
how
this
works.
I've
sat
on
committees,
you're
likely
all
going
to
vote
the
same
way.
This
is
not
too
much
work.
We
can
do
this.
G
We
can
listen
and
get
some
feedback
and
ask
some
great
questions
and
get
a
better
understanding
of
what's
happening
and
what
could
be
done?
This
is
something
we
could
all
agree
to
do
together
and
it's
not
for
partisan
reasons.
It's
about
helping
the
children
who
are
mandated
to
protect
and
keep
safe.
C
So,
reflecting
on
on
the
comments
just
made
a
in
some
of
the
comments
and
questions
that
were
presented
to
The
Advocate
from
the
opposition
side,
I
have
a
concern
that
possibly
there's
a
misinterpretation
of
of
the
role
of
the
advocate
in
in
our
province
in
presenting
to
our
committee
as
a
committee
of
legislative
offices,
and
so
she
she
did
see
it
a
number
of
times
where
she
reaches
out
to
experts
to
to
try
and
get
an
understanding,
but
that
her
office
is
not
next
necessarily
the
expert.
C
And
so
we
we
have
a
a
duty
absolutely
to
to
try
and
get
the
information
necessary
to
ensure
that
the
government
is
doing
everything
they
can
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
children
in
care
in
this
province.
Vulnerable
children
in
in
the
province
and
so
I
believe
that
that
the
Amendments
put
forward
will
allow
us
to
actually
get
the
information
back
in
a
timely
manner
to
actually
accomplish
what
we're
trying
to
do.
I
I
think
it's
an
important
part
of
of
getting
the
work
done
and
and
in
a
reasonable
time
frame.
E
Well,
thank
you.
Mr
chair
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
amendment,
it's
interesting
to
me
to
Mr
Van
Dyke
and
is
now
deeply
concerned
about
having
the
time
to
do
this
work
when
that
concern
was
not
present
for
the
many
opportunities
that
we
had
over
the
previous
years
as
outlined
by
Ms
panchola.
E
When
we
brought
this
to
this
committee,
we
have
asked
for
the
opportunity
to
hear
that
expertise,
Mr,
Van,
Dyke
and
just
said
the
child.
Youth
Advocate
is
not
the
expert
on
all
things.
Indeed,
we
recognize
that
indeed
she
recognizes
that.
But
that
is
precisely
why,
multiple
times
over
the
last
three
years,
we
have
brought
it
to
this
committee
that
we
bring
that
expertise
to
the
table
to
speak
to
the
questions
and
concerns
and
recommendations
that
have
been
put
forward
by
the
child,
youth,
Advocate
and
every
time
we
have
done
so.
E
The
members
of
the
government
on
this
committee
have
voted
it
down
and
now
now
suddenly
they
say
absolutely.
We
want
to
hear
from
those
Ministries.
It's
absolutely
important
that
we
hear
so
before.
We
finish
this
review,
but
we
just
simply
don't
have
the
time
Mr
chair.
That
is
incredibly
incredibly
disingenuous
when
I
think
about
I
recognize
this
is
a
busy
season.
Absolutely.
We
know
we
have
an
upcoming
legislation,
we
have
the
budget
and
then
we're
going
to
find
ourselves
going
into
a
provincial
election,
certainly,
but.
A
E
Are
on
short
of
time,
if
we
are
short
of
time,
it
is
because
these
members
have
refused
to
take
any
step
towards
doing
this
crucial
and
important
work
until
this
last
minute.
That
was
their
choice.
Mr
chair.
So
it
is
not
a
question
of
the
ministry's
capability.
It
is
not
a
question
of
whether
we
have
enough
time
to
do
the
work.
It
is
a
question
of
their
willingness
to
do
so
and
clearly
they
are
showing
that
they
are
more
interested
in
continuing
with
the
sorts
of
political
games.
E
Infighting
other
issues
that
have
led
us
to
this
point.
Well,
over
the
last
three
years
we
have
lost
so
much
opportunity
and
we
could
have
been
doing
good
in
diligent
governance
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
Alberta,
but
instead
government
members
have
been
so
wrapped
up
in
their
own
drama,
political
infighting
and
other
issues
that
we
have
lost
the
opportunity
to
do
good
work
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
Alberta,
something
that
Mr
Orr
seems
to
find
quite
amusing
Mr,
chair,
I,
don't
now
Mr
chair.
E
I
would
note
that,
in
regards
to
this
particular
Amendment
and
the
request
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
the
child
youth
Advocate
today
I
had
the
opportunity
to
chat
with
her
a
bit
about
her
her
recommendation,
for
example,
that
there'd
be
a
youth
opioid
strategy.
Specific
youth
oriented
I
had
the
chance
to
ask
her
about
why
that
was
necessary
and
what
that
would
involve,
and
she
was
quite
clear,
Mr
chair,
that
that
would
be
a
multi-ministerial
effort
that
crosses
many
boundaries
and
involves
many
things.
E
The
fact
is,
as
my
colleague
Ms
pancholi
noted,
the
work
that
the
child
at
youth
Advocate
does
touches
on
many
areas
of
government,
and
so
we
should
have
the
opportunity
to
have
those
areas
of
government
come
and
speak
to
us
at
the
committee
to
follow
through
to
have
the
chance
to
follow
up
on
these
recommendations.
Mr
Van
Dyken
says
that
a
written
submission
should
simply
be
enough,
a
restatement
of
what
we
already
know
and
is
what
is
already
out
there
and
available
the
fact
is
Mr
chair.
E
We
need
to
have
an
interactive
opportunity
and
there
is
no
reason
why,
in
the
next
90
days,
we
could
not
do
so.
Do
you
have
the
chance
to
ask
questions
to
engage
in
discussion
and
to
work
with
those
Ministries
here
in
the
room,
so
fundamentally,
Mr,
chair,
I,
am
against
this
amendment
and
I
will
be
voting
against.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Shepard
I'm,
beginning
to
hear
some
common
themes
being
reiterated.
So
Mr
Hunter
is
next
on
our
list,
but
Please
be
aware
that
we're
starting
to
repeat
ourselves
I
believe:
okay,
Mr
Hunter
go
ahead.
K
Okay,
good
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
as
I
listened
to
the
Miss
Pelton
when
I
asked
the
question
about
if,
in
my
opinion,
a
very
key
part
of
trying
to
figure
out,
you
know
where
these
these
these
problems
and
the
increase
in
deaths
and
injuries
are
happening,
whether
it
be
through
drug
or
alcohol
or
drug
or
alcohol
abuse,
or
a
suicide
and
and
figuring
out
whether
or
not
there
was
a
cross
jurisdictional
analysis
that
was
that
could
be
done.
K
She
said
she
said
she
would
get
that
back
to
our
committee
and
then,
when
it
was
stated,
I
think
by
Miss
pancholi
that
you
know
she
needs
to
get
this
information.
Does
she
have
the
time
that
it
was
said
that
the
she
didn't
think
she
was
gonna,
be
able
to
get
the
cross
jurisdictional
analysis
done?
So
they
talk
about
being
able
to
get
all
this
stuff
done
in
the
90
days.
K
In
reality,
it
sounds
to
me,
like
the
Miss
Pelton
said
that
she
couldn't
get
that
cross
jurisdictional
information
to
us
very
difficult
to
be
able
to
make
those
decisions
when
we
don't
have
a
very
key
part
of
of.
What's
happened
over
the
last
two
years,
two
and
a
half
years,
and
so
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
this.
These
these
amendments
I
think
that
they
do
address
the
issue
of.
We
need
to
have
Justice
in
to
be
able
to
speak
to
these
issues.
K
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
that
this
addresses
and
and
IT
addresses
the
timelines
time
constrictions
that
we
have
foreign.
B
Okay,
so
the
amendment
to
the
motion
reads
by
Mr
Van
Dyken,
that
the
motion
be
amended
as
follows:
by
striking
out
invite
officials
and
substituting
request
officials
by
striking
out
Justice
and
seniors
community
and
social
services
and
substituting
and
Justice
by
striking
out
report
progress
on
recommendations
made
to
them
as
part
of
the
review
and
substituting
provide
a
written
report
to
the
committee.
With
respect
to
the
recommendations
made
to
Ministries
in
and
D
by
striking
out
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee
and
substituting
on
or
before
February
6
2023..
C
B
So
for
a
recorded
vote,
all
those
in
favor
in
the
room
to
the
amendment
as
read,
please
indicate
so.
D
K
M
B
I
declare
that
Amendment
passed,
and
so
we
are
now
on
the
amendment
or
the
emotion
as
amended,
and
so
we
now
have
I
believe
that
was
put
forward
by
Mr
van
Bacon.
Was
it
not.
B
The
emotionally
original
motion
was
Miss.
Pancho
on
Main
motion
was
missed.
I'm.
Sorry,
the
main
motion
by
miss
panjoli
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
requests
officials
from
the
ministries
of
health,
education
and
Justice
to
provide
a
written
report
to
the
committee
with
respect
to
the
recommendations
made
to
Ministries
and
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-2022
annual
report
by
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
on
or
before
February
6
2023.
did.
B
J
C
This
is
not
a
motion
that
was
submitted
earlier,
so
I
I,
think
I.
I
think
I
need
permission
to
have
a
motion
from
the
floor.
I'm
not
sure.
Okay,.
M
B
C
So
I
think
we
got
a
couple
other
Ministries
that
we
should
probably
hear
from
and
that
are
relevant
and
so
I
I
would
move
that.
Extending
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministries
of
mental
health
and
addiction,
indigenous
relations
and
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
to
each
provide
a
briefing
on
the
ministry's
response
to
the
issues
raised
or
recommendations
made
pertaining
to
the
Mandate
of
that
Ministry
in
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021
2022
annual
report
at
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee.
B
So
can
we
get
that
put
up
on
the
does
that
read
as
you
read
it?
Mr
Van
Dyken,
moved
by
Mr
Van
Dyken
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministries
of
mental
health
and
addictions,
indigenous
relations
and
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
to
each
provide
a
briefing
on
the
ministry's
response
to
the
issues
raised
or
recommendations
made
pertaining
to
the
Mandate
of
that
Ministry
in
the
child,
Office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
21
2022
annual
report
at
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee.
B
M
B
C
Yeah
so
I
believe
that
these
Ministries
reside
in
in
the
fact
that
a
third
of
the
deaths
were
alcohol
and
drug
related
and
many
others
were
the
result
of
suicide,
so
that
would
fit
within
the
Mandate
of
the
ministry
of
mental
health
and
addictions,
and
additionally,
increases
in
indigenous
injuries
and
deaths
has
makes
it
necessary
for
us
to
invite
the
ministry
of
indigenous
relations
to
understand
the
relevant
background
information
around
the
children
in
our
Province
who
are
struggling
the
most
and
that
this
that
the
the
report
talks
about.
C
And
finally
the
ministry
of
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
is
relevant
to
the
matter
at
hand
and
is
directly
mentioned
on
the
recommendations
in
the
report.
So
I
think
to
get
a
a
briefing
at
committee
would
be
in
order
from
these
Ministries
Mr.
F
B
B
G
I
do
Wonder
Mr
chair.
Sometimes
if
the
members
of
the
government
side
get
cognitive
Whiplash,
sometimes
from
the
positions
they
take,
I
mean
it
must
be
very
hard
to
be
them
sometimes
and
to
read
what
you're
told
to
read
and
then
get
to
do
something
else.
So
to
be
clear,
despite
just
mere
moments
ago,
the
members
of
the
government
side
saying
we
did
not
have
time
to
call
various
Ministries
to
come
report
to
this
committee.
G
They
can
now,
with
a
semi-straight
face
I
see
some
Smiles
say
that
there's
other
Ministries
that
they
are
okay
when
we
do
have
the
time
well,
I'm,
certainly
glad
that
in
the
last
10
minutes,
the
government
members
have
suddenly
realized
their
jobs
and
are
willing
to
do
them.
G
So
certainly,
what
we
can
tell
from
this
motion
is
that
the
members
are
not
interested
in
hearing
from
the
ministry
of
Justice
or
education,
because
those
are
the
two
that
were
included
in
in
the
briefing
before
which,
as
I
mentioned,
is,
is
a
bit
confusing,
but
also
confusing,
because
there
are
specific
recommendations
from
the
advocate
for
those
Ministries
and
I.
G
Understand
that
the
member
had
indicated
that,
yes,
of
course,
we
did
see,
unfortunately,
an
incredible
increase
in
the
number
of
deaths
as
a
result
of
drug
poisoning,
and
so
that
speaks
to
mental
health
and
addictions
being
coming
and
reporting
to
this
Committee.
Of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
one
of
the
recommendations
that
came
to
Alberta
Justice
from
The
Advocate
was
specific
to
children
who
had
died
as
a
result
of
a
criminal
justice
failure
ultimately
and
again,
I
think
that
would
justify
in
Merit
having
that
Ministry
come
before
this
committee
as
well.
G
The
ministry
of
Justice
coming
forward
as
well.
I
maintain
the
Ministry
of
Education
should
also
come
forward.
They
have
specific
recommendations.
It's
key
to
the
implementation
of
a
youth
opioid
strategy,
which
the
members
seem
to
care
about.
I
guess
I
would
say
we're
willing
to
do
the
work.
We're
willing
to
hear
from
these
Ministries.
We
think
it's
important
I
would
be
also
willing,
and
my
colleagues
are
to
hear
from
those
other
affected
Ministries.
G
Why
not
since
we're
having
all
these
ones
come
forward,
but
more
importantly,
because
it
is
doing
our
jobs
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
some
clear
information.
So
perhaps
I'll
leave
it
to
the
government
members
to
seek
to
to
amend
their
own
motion
if
they
seek
to
to
align
with
the
motion
that
we
currently
voted
down,
apparently
so
I'll.
Let
the
government's
members
deal
with
their
own
dissonance
there,
but
glad
to
see
that
we'll
be
hearing
from
some
Ministries.
C
Thank
you,
and,
and
just
to
be
clear.
The
ministries
of
health,
education
and
Justice
will
provide
written
report
on
the
recommendations
made
to
them,
and,
and
so
they
are
going
to
report
to
us
with
a
written
report
and
and
these
Ministries
will
come
to
us
with
briefings
and
and
to
the
committee.
So.
E
Mr
Shepard,
thank
you,
Mr
chair,
to
be
honest.
Most
of
the
comments
I
think
I
would
wish
to
make
were
covered
by
Miss
Pancho
I'll.
Just
note
that
it's
as
she
noted
a
bit
ridiculous,
we
are
doing
this
little
dance.
It
would
have
been
quite
easy
for
Mr
Van
Dyke
to
Simply,
amend
the
previous
motion
If.
E
He
if
he
had
felt
that
was
necessary
rather
than
going
through
this
sort
of
charad
of
making,
rather
circular
well,
not
circular,
but
frankly,
just
empty
arguments
that
they
are
now
contradicting
around
there
not
being
enough
time
not
being
enough
opportunity
and
now
precisely
doing
exactly
what
they
said
was
not
possible
to
do
so.
E
D
E
Clarify
for
Mr
Orr,
the
queer
concern
for
raising
Mr
chair
is
that
Justice
is
not
being
brought
in
to
give
a
briefing
and
answer
questions.
We
are
not
questioning
the
fact
that
they
are
listed
along
with
the
Ministry
of
Health
to
provide
a
written
submission,
but
they
are
not
being
given
the
opportunity
to
present
in
person
and
answer
questions.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank.
B
Okay,
then
we
call
the
question
on
the
motion
here.
Motion
reads
that
Mr
Van
Dyken,
that
the
committee
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministries
of
mental
health
and
addictions,
indigenous
relations
and
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
to
each
provide
a
briefing
on
the
ministry's
response
to
the
issues
raised
or
the
recommendations
made
pertaining
to
the
Mandate
of
that
Ministry
in
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-22
annual
report
and
an
upcoming
meeting
of
the
committee.
All
those
in
favor
of
this
Motion
in
the
room.
Please
say
so
online.
B
A
B
G
M
A
quick
one,
yeah
well
we'll
see
I'd
like
to
bring
forward
it.
G
M
Notice
yeah
I'd
like
to
move
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
the
sorry
officials.
B
Okay,
yeah
and
just
let
me
read
through
it
very
quickly
and
if
it's
moved
by
miss
manjoli,
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
in
the
ministry
of
children's
services
to
report
on
addressing
the
volume
of
serious
injury
and
death
reviews
conducted
by
the
office
of
child
and
youth
advocate
for
the
period
of
2021
2022,
resulting
from
the
significant
increase
in
the
deaths
of
Children
and
Youth
who
are
receiving
or
have
received
services
from
the
ministry.
B
G
She
spoke
almost
as
fast
as
I
do
Mr
Smith
this
to
clarify
this.
This
motion,
as
we've
already
passed,
a
motion
that
Children's
Services
would
come
before
this
committee
to
report
on
the
specific
recommendations
that
have
been
made
in
the
annual
report.
This
is
to
go
broader
than
that.
This
is
to
say,
and
we
heard
loud
and
clear,
from
The
Advocate
and
we've
all
spoken
about
it
and
we've
we've
heard
about
it.
G
We
heard
about
the
impact
that
this
is
having
on
the
advocate's
office
in
terms
of
the
number
of
investigative
reviews
of
doing
mandatory
reviews,
as
well
as
systemic
reviews,
and
we
all
I
believe,
but
we've
expressed
it
in
this
meeting-
have
questions
about
to
the
ministry
of
children's
services
as
to
what
was
happening
at
that
time
and
why,
in
their
view,
as
the
people
who
deal
most
directly
with
those
children
and
youth
that
we
saw
that
increase,
this
is
again
to
provide
transparency
that
has
been
willfully.
Inadequate.
G
G
You
know.
We
talked
about
opioid
use,
there's
so
many
elements
to
this,
but
we
have
been
sorely
lacking
in
transparency.
Albertans
have
been
lacking
in
transparency
and
understanding
the
why
Behind
These
alarming
increases
in
the
number
of
deaths
of
children
in
care
we're
asking
for
children's
services.
They
may
not
be
able
to
answer
the
question
entirely,
because
we
know
that
the
of
all
the
various
factors
that
influence
these
situations,
but
they
have
cases
with
these
children.
They
have
files
with
these
children.
G
They
have
caseworkers
that
work
on
the
front
lines
with
these
children
and
their
families.
We
need
to
understand
from
their
perspective
what
has
been
happening.
So
this
motion
is
to
seek
to
that
that
children
services
not
just
speak
to
the
specific
recommendations
from
the
child
youth
Advocate,
but
also
speak
to
the
issue
of
the
increase
in
the
number
of
children
and
death,
children
and
youth
who
have
died
in
care
and
receiving
Services.
Thank.
C
Yeah
I
I
see
a
fair
bit
of
redundancy
in
in
moving
in
this
direction.
We
are
receiving
a
briefing
from
the
ministry.
We
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
It
has
been
identified
that,
even
even
from
The
Advocate
that
that
we,
we
don't
have
a
true
or
complete
understanding
yet
of
the
increase
in
in
how
how
it
compares
to
other
jurisdictions
and
and
are
we
failing
to
provide
in
a
way
that
that
can
be
identified
at
this
time.
F
Deck
I,
just
don't
want
I,
want
I,
want
to
be
very
sure
that
when
The
Advocate
is
before
us
that
we
don't
get
ruled
out
of
order,
should
we
bring
questions
forward
such
as
these
to
broaden
the
school
and
I?
Think
that's
exactly
what
will
happen
if,
indeed,
this
motion
doesn't
pass.
So
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
want
to
make
sure
this
is
on
the
record
so
that
we
do
have
in
scope
the
opportunity
to
answer
to
ask
the
the
ministry
to
respond
to
these
more
broader
questions.
B
Okay,
calling
the
question
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
moved
by
miss
pancholi,
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
officials
from
the
ministry
of
children's
services
to
report
on
addressing
the
volume
of
serious
injuries
and
death
reviews
conducted
by
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
advocate
for
the
period
of
2021-22,
resulting
from
the
significant
increase
in
the
deaths
of
Children
and
Youth
who
are
receiving
or
have
received
services
from
the
ministry.
As
detailed
on
pages
26
and
27
of
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2021-22
annual
report.
B
K
B
B
Thank
you.
Just
over
a
week
ago,
we
received
correspondence
from
the
new
Ombudsman
Kevin
Brzezinski,
requesting
approval
from
his
committee
for
him
to
delegate
to
any
person
holding
any
office
under
the
Ombudsman.
Any
of
the
ombudsman's
powers
under
this
act
accept
the
power
of
Delegation
and
the
power
to
make
any
report
under
this
act.
Our
approval
of
this
ability
to
delegate
Powers
is
required
under
Section
27
of
the
Ombudsman
act.
It
is
a
matter
that
this
committee
deals
with
each
time
a
new
individual
is
appointed
to
the
role
of
ombudsman
committee.
B
A
B
D
B
G
Question
when
we've
got
these
other
Ministries
coming
before
the
committee
to
speak
on
the
recommendations,
we'll
we
be
inviting
the
office
of
the
child
youth
Advocate
as
well
to
be
technical
support.
Those
meetings
is
that
something
that
we.
G
Right
I'd
like
to
perform
a
motion
that
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
be
invited
to
attend
as
technical
support
at
the
meetings
of
all
the
Ministries
that
are
will
be
reporting
to
this
committee
on
the
recommendations
for
the
office
of
the
child,
youth
Advocate.
G
B
K
J
I'm,
sorry,
thank
you.
Mr
chair
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
wording
that's
up
on
the
screen
accurately
reflects
the
intention
of
the
member
I
can
read
it
out
loud
for
those
who
are
listening,
that
the
standing
committee
on
legislative
offices
invite
the
office
of
the
child
youth
Advocate
to
provide
technical
assistance
to
the
committee
when
the
ministry
of
children's
services
seniors
community
and
Social
Services
mental
health
and
addiction
and
Indigenous
relations
appear
before
the
committee
regarding
the
office
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocate
2122
annual
report
you're.
C
Yeah
so
provide
technical
assistance.
I
guess,
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
advocate's
office
is
an
office
that
reports
to
us.
They
don't
necessarily
provide
technical
assistance,
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
parliamentary
Council
has
any
any
words
to
to
try
and
help
us
understand,
if,
if
this
is
in
the
scope
of
of
the
office,
if,
if
that
meets,
meets
it,
okay.
I
Thanks
Mr
chair,
what
I
will
say
is
that,
in
other
reviews
by
other
committees,
office,
like
legislative
officers,
have
been
invited
to
provide
technical
support
to
the
committee.
K
B
A
B
The
next
meeting
will
be
at
the
call
of
the
chair,
but
maybe
just
to
give
you
some
idea
of
where
I'm
thinking
of
going
with
this.
As
the
committee
members
are
aware,
we
are
required
to
report
back
to
the
assembly
on
our
review
of
the
child
and
youth
Advocates
report
by
March
14th.
We
also
have
to
start
this
at
the
start
of
session
in
consideration
main
estimates
coming
up
quickly.
B
With
this
in
mind,
I
think
we
should
schedule
our
next
meeting
the
same
week
that
we
are
expecting
written
responses
from
the
ministry
that
would
be
March
6th,
so
likely
between
March
February
6th
likely
between
February,
8th
and
10th
would
be
our
next
meeting
where
we
would
do
the
have
the
Ministries
or
the
coming
in,
and
the
briefings
after
the
meeting
everyone.
B
After
that
meeting,
we
can
have
a
few
days
or
after
the
we
can
have
a
few
days
to
consider
the
information
received
and
to
put
motions
on
notice
so
that
we
can
potentially
complete
our
deliberations
the
following
week.