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Dr. Alan Smale, Author "Clash of Eagles"
A
Across
our
nation,
we'll
celebrate
Read
Across
America
with
guest
speakers
and
fun
activities
at
US,
big
high
school
in
Pasadena
Maryland,
we
celebrated
our
11th
annual
day
of
reading
with
authors,
artists
asked
if
physicists
and
even
a
former
NFL
football
player,
sit
back,
relax
and
enjoy
our
2018
Read
Across
America
event.
Hi.
B
Guys
so
we
have
Alan
smell
here
to
speak
and
I
have
personally
read
one
of
his
books.
It's
called
clash
of
eagles,
it
is
a
trilogy.
I
took
the
journey,
I
loved.
It
I
recommend
that
you
guys
read
it
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
read
but
I
promise
you
you're
gonna
love
it
he's.
His
book
is
about
the
Romans
and
he
has
done
extensive
research
on
both
the
Romans
and
the
Native
Americans.
B
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Hi
everybody
I
have
some
slides
and
they'll
be
coming
on
in
a
moment
following
on
from
the
previous
speaker,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
three
passions
that
I
have
and
that
have
sustained
me
through
my
life,
two
of
which
I've
made
money
out
and
the
third
of
which
I
definitely
haven't.
But
there
are
all
things
that
I've
enjoyed
very
much
and
they're
the
things
that
keep
me
going,
they're
the
things
that
keep
me
up
at
night.
There
are
the
things
that
make
my
life
worth
living
and
I.
C
Three
very
large
topics:
I'm
ounce,
male
in
my
day,
job
I
work
at
the
the
NASA
Goddard
Space,
Flight
Center
in
the
astrophysics
science
division
and
so
I'm
going
to
be
talking
a
bit
about
astronomy
to
start
with,
obviously,
I'm
going
to
be
talking
mostly
about
the
books
about
the
clash
of
eagles
series
and
about
the
work
I
did
on
that.
The
research
for
those
and
all
the
thoughts
that
I
had
about
those
and
it's
awards
at
the
end,
I'm
going
to
be
talking
a
little
bit
about
music.
C
C
You
can't
see
that,
but
that's
down
there
of
my
parents,
down
by
that
wall
I'm
my
official
job
title
right
now
is
that
I'm,
the
director
of
the
high
energy
astrophysics
science
archive
Center,
which
is
a
posh
way
of
saying
that
it's
a
very
large
library
for
data
from
from
a
certain
type
of
object
in
our
galaxy,
which
I'll
come
to
in
a
moment.
I'd
love
to
strana
me
all
my
life
I'd
love
to
stars
and
planets
all
my
life
I
grew
up
thrilled
by
the
the
Apollo
moon
landings.
C
You
see
a
little
astronaut
down
there
and
I
was
always
convinced
that
I
would
end
up
in
space.
So
my
passion
is
a
very
young.
Kid
was
that
I
was
going
to
become
an
astronaut.
I
was
going
to
go
up
into
space.
I
was
gonna,
walk
on
the
moon,
maybe
I'd
even
go
to
Mars.
It
didn't
quite
work
out
that
way.
I!
C
Don't
entirely
blame
myself
for
that,
but
you
know
it's
hard,
so
so
I
ended
up
in
space
in
a
way,
I
ended
up
working
at
the
Goddard
Space
Flight
Center,
which
is
really
cool,
and
so
so
I'm
pretty
happy.
Can
we
have
the
next
slide?
The
other?
The
the
second
thing
that
I
am
I'm
really
here
to
talk
about
is
the
clash
of
eagles
series
and
that's
out
from
Random
House
del
Rey.
The
series
is
now
complete.
C
There
are
three
books
clash
of
eagles
Eagle
in
exile
and
Eagle,
and
Empire
and
I
I'm
very
excited
to
have
these
books
out.
I've.
Been
writing
all
my
life
I've
been
writing
since
I
since
I've
been
reading.
Essentially,
my
parents
can
remember
me
writing
when
I
was
very
young,
even
when
I
couldn't
spell
all
the
things,
I
was
supposed
to
be.
Writing
the
first
professional
story.
C
C
There
are
a
lot
of
lot
of
lot
of
lot
of
numbers,
a
lot
of
dates
to
learn,
but
well
the
thing
about
history
that
I
really
enjoy
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
taught
that
way
any
longer,
but
the
history
that
I
really
enjoy
reading
about
is
more
social
and
economic.
It's
about
how
people
lived
it's
about
what
life
was
like
back
then,
and
so
I've
done
a
lot
of
reading
over
the
years
in
that
area.
C
Ok,
we
can
take
the
next
one
and
the
third
thing
I
do
is
sing,
and
this
is
the
one
that
I
don't
make
any
money
at
at
all.
I've
been
I've,
been
interested
in
astronomy
and
interested
in
writing.
All
my
life
I
came
to
singing
a
little
later
on.
I'm
in
a
group
called
the
chromatic
sits
a
vocal
band,
so
a
cappella
group
kind
of
like
pentatonix,
except
not
as
not
as
rich
and
popular
so
we've
been
in.
C
There
are
six
of
us
in
the
group,
and
we've
been
doing
that
for
over
20
years
as
well,
and
over
that
time
we've
done.
We've
recorded
nine
albums,
we've
done
nearly
400
gigs.
We
have
an
educational
CD,
in
fact
the
Astra
capella
CD,
which
is
all
about
which
is
astronomically
correct,
a
cappella,
it's
a
bunch
of
songs
about
the
universe
that
we
wrote
and
that's
in
use
in
schools
across
the
across
the
country.
Okay,
thanks.
C
Please
there's
a
lot
of
words
on
this
slide,
but
basically
what
it
says
is
that
I
was
born
in
England,
I
lived,
I
grew
up
in
Leeds
in
Yorkshire,
I
I
went
to
Oxford
and
then
I
did
a
PhD
there
in
astrophysics
and
then
I
came
to
and
I
did
a
postdoc
in
at
the
University
College
London
and
then
I
came
to
the
States.
I
came
to
the
States
in
my
late
20s
I
was
coming
for
three
years.
I
knew
I,
wouldn't
want
to
stay
here
any
longer
than
that.
C
So
I
came
over
here
on
a
student
visa,
even
though
it's
a
postdoc
at
the
time
I
decided
I
wanted
to
come
to
the
States,
see
what
it
was
like.
I've
always
been
interested
in
travel
as
well.
So
I
came
over
here
for
three
years
and
I'm
still
here,
thirty
years
later,
so
I
guess
life
doesn't
always
go
the
way
you
you
expect,
but
I'm
very
happy
here,
not
planning
to
go
anywhere
else
and
life
is
good.
Next,
please
one
of
the
cool
things
about
astronomy,
optical
Astronomy,
at
least.
C
Is
you
get
to
go
to
amazing
places?
And
so
here
is
here
are
three
observatories
that
I
went
to
when
I
was
an
optical
astronomer
I
started
out
doing
looking
at
this
astronomy,
with
with
visible
light
light
that
you
can
see,
and
so
the
South
African
astronomical
observatory
is
the
top
one
down
there.
The
the
the
legend
is
off
the
bottom
there,
but
that's
actually
in
the
Canary
Islands,
that's
a
an
observatory
run
by
the
Brits
in
the
Canary
Islands
and
then
there's
the
ankle
or
Australian
telescope.
C
My
very
first
observing
run
I
started
in
England
and
went
down
to
South,
Africa
and
then
across
to
Australia
and
then
home,
so
that
was
that
was
quite
a
big
journey
for
my
first
trip
as
a
graduate
student.
Okay,
you
probably
know
about
the
electromagnetic
spectrum.
The
part
that
we
use
is
in
our
everyday
lives.
Is
this
little
part
right
here?
That's
the
visible
light,
that's
everything
you
see
around,
you
I'm
sure.
C
A
lot
of
you
know
all
this
are
the
electromagnetic
spectrum
itself
is
huge
and
when
we
look
at
when
we
look
at
stars,
it's
very
important
to
look
at
them,
not
only
in
the
optical
but
also
at
other
energies,
and
so
what
I
moved
on
to
was
looking
at
stars
and
and
very
powerful
sources
in
the
x-ray
wavelength,
and
these
are
the
same
x-rays
that
the
people
use
in
hospitals.
To
look
at
your
bones.
C
We
don't
actually
x-ray
the
stars,
but
we
do
look
at
the
x-rays
that
come
from
stars
next,
please,
and
the
type
of
object
I
look
at.
There
are
actually
hundreds
of
this
type
of
object
in
the
galaxy
I.
Don't
know
how!
Well
you
see
it?
This
is
actually
two
stars
rotating
around
each
other,
and
so
this
is
a
that
one
is
a
fairly
normal
star,
a
red
star,
say
and
right
in
the
middle
of
that
accretion
disk
there
there's
a
neutron
star
or
a
black
hole.
C
It's
extremely
dense,
extremely
powerful
object
with
a
very
high
gravitational
field,
so
a
lot
of
gravity,
they're
pulling
in
material
material
comes
from
that
ordinary
star
spirals
around
in
a
disk
and
eventually
goes
over
the
event
horizon
into
the
black
hole
or
onto
the
neutron
star.
This
very
dense
thing
and
that's
where
the
x-rays
come
from,
so
there
are
extremely
powerful
x-rays
that
come
from
this
object.
So
when
we
look,
we
look
at
this
type
of
object
in
the
x-ray
and
in
the
optical.
C
We
can
put
all
that
information
together
and
we
can
learn
quite
a
lot
about
the
physics
of
the
stars.
What's
going
on
there
and
a
lot
of
about
actually
really
important
physics
as
well
as
astronomy,
next
and
so
I,
then
I
got
to
work
on
on.
My
first
satellite
mission
was
a
European
satellite
core
exercise
next
and
now
I'm
involved,
particularly
with
my
current
job,
with
a
with
a
whole
bunch
of
satellites
that
are
looking.
One
of
the
reasons
we
have
to
look
above.
C
The
atmosphere
with
to
look
at
x-rays
is
because
they're
absorbed
by
the
atmosphere,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
work
we
do
with
x-rays
is
actually
with
detecting
x-rays.
We
use
satellites
for
that,
so
you
can
see
five
or
six
satellites
they're
nicer
over.
There
is
actually
a
experiment
on
the
space
station.
That's
just
come
up
and
that's
really
cool
next.
C
C
We
can
go
on
at
least
the
covers
of
the
Asimov's,
the
as
well
science
fiction
magazines
in
the
country
and
so
I'm
kind
of
pleased
to
have
been
published.
That
was
always
one
of
my
ambitions.
My
early
ambitions
was
to
get
published
in
that
magazine,
and
these
are
the
books
they're,
the
top
of
the
ranked
top
row
you
see
there
is
the
clash
of
Eagle
series
as
it
was
published
in
the
States
below
there.
C
There
are
three
completely
different
covers
for
exactly
the
same
books
and
though
those
are
the
covers,
they're
sold
by
Titan
books
in
the
UK
and
people
ask
me
which
of
the
covers
I
like
best
and
in
fact,
I
love
all
of
my
children.
Equally
I
think
the
top
ones
are
really
cool
because
you
get
really
good
images
of
who
the
characters
are
in
the
story,
and
you
get
a
feel
for
for
what
drives
them
and
I
think
those
kind
of
interesting.
C
But
beneath
there
is
a
few
little
few
battle
scenes
and
things
like
that
and
there's
some
almost
Easter
Egg
e
things
in
there
once
you
read
the
books
once
you
get
like
partway
through
the
books,
you'll
understand,
what's
going
on
on
the
covers
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
neat
too
next.
So
what
are
these
books?
I
will
tell
you
now
welcome
the
future,
prepare
for
change.
Yes,
do
that,
but
also
welcome
the
past
think
and
think
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
now
from
where
we
are
now.
C
There
are
many
possible
futures,
and
for
and
when
we
got,
we
got
them
here
because
they
were
very.
There
are
a
large
number
of
possibilities
beforehand,
so
back
in
history,
the
history
is
not
inevitable.
There
are
many
other
different
ways.
Things
could
have
gone
and
it's
kind
of
interesting
to
think
about.
C
Who
knows
what
alternate
history
is?
Who
already
knows
what
awful
histories?
Okay,
some
do
some
don't
if
you've
seen
on
TV
the
man
in
the
high
castle
or
timeless
those
are
see.
The
series
is
that
the
play
with
this
idea,
but
essentially
alternate
history,
is
history
that
didn't
happen.
So
you
imagined
what
would
have
happened
like
in
my
case
if
the
Roman
Empire
had
survived,
but
not
the
Western
Roman
Empire
had
not
collapsed
in
476
ad,
but
it
actually
gone
on
and
carried
on
being
a
force
in
the
world
for
considerably
longer
than
that.
C
When
you
think
about
Native
Americans,
you
probably
think
about
more
modern
representations
of
Native
Americans
and
in
fact,
so
in
several
hundred
years
before
the
Native
Americans
that
people
met
there
came
over
from
the
from
Europe.
They
actually
looked
very
different
and
Mississippian
culture
is
actually
a
very
powerful
culture.
There
was
all
across
North
America,
but
especially
down
the
Mississippi
River
River
and
down
the
Ohio
River
and
as
I
say
here
when,
when
my
Romans
meet
my
Native
Americans
hiding
since
you
one
of
the
important
things
to
locations,
there
is
Cahokia.
Yes,
next
slide,
Romans.
A
C
C
The
Mississippian
culture
was
all
over
the
the
kind
of
eastern
side
of
North
America
from
roughly
the
the
like
1050
through
1250
was
the
height
of
the
civilization,
and
you
could
see
these
dots
all
over
the
North
American
map
here,
and
these
are
various
cities
that
were
part
of
a
Mississippian
culture
at
that
time
down
there
on
the
on,
the
right
is
my
version
of
North
America.
Next,
please,
and
which
looks
like
this.
This
is
in
the
front
of
all
of
the
books.
This
is
North
America
clash
of
Eagle
style.
C
So
now
this
is
called
a
nova
Hesperia
we're
in
North
America
as
being
kind
of
invaded
by
the
Romans
from
the
east.
Coming
in
from
the
Chesapeake
Bay.
There
are
the
various
tribes
that
they're
meeting
and
here
is
Cahokia.
This
part
here
Cahokia
is
West
and
Lewis's.
Now
Cahokia
is
a
very
real
city.
People,
though
maybe
a
third
of
people,
think
that
I
made
Cahokia
up
I
in
fact
did
not
make
Hiroki
up.
Has
anybody
beamed
at
her?
C
Okay?
That's
great?
It's
really
worth
is
really
an
important
place
and
worth
going
to
see.
Cahokia
was
the
big
city
of
the
Mississippian
culture
and
yes,
there
were
big
cities
on
the
north
american
continent.
Before
Europeans
came
over
and
made
them
Cahokia,
there
were
probably
about
20,000
people
in
the
city
itself
and
many
more
in
the
surrounding
villages.
There
was
a
mound
building.
Culture
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
of
what
the
mounds
probably
looked
like.
So
it
was
quite
an
important
thing.
C
It
was
an
important
confluence
of
the
river
and
it
lasted
for
a
couple
of
hundred
years
next
slide
and
here
are
representations
of
what
we
think
it
probably
looked
like.
So
you
can
see
the
the
big
mound
there's
a
great
mound
there,
which
is
now
known
as
the
master
Mound
there's
a
palisade
all
around
the
outside.
There
are
some
really
quite
sophisticated
huts
and
houses
for
the
era
all
the
way
around
there.
There
are
neighborhoods.
C
There
are
not
exactly
streets,
but
there
are
certainly
thoroughfares,
and
you
can
see
all
of
these
various
things,
and
you
can
see
that
these
things
are
pretty
huge
as
well.
The
the
main
mound
which
you
can
still
see
it
subsided
a
little
bit,
but
they
built
this.
They
built
this
themselves.
They
like
build
up
out
of
clay.
It's
quite
a
big
engineering
achievement
to
do
that,
and
so
this
thing
is
actually
fairly
huge.
C
It
covers
like
a
thousand
feet,
a
side
across
the
bottom
well
across
the
bottom,
and
it's
a
couple
of
hundred
feet
high
and
that's
pretty
impressive
11th
12th
13th
century
culture
in
the
middle
of
the
in
the
middle
of
North
America.
So
that's
the
setting
for
clash
of
eagles
and
the
Romans
think
they're
gonna
have
an
easy
time
when
they
come
across
the
Cahokia
ins
and
that's
not
what
happens
at
all
next,
please.
C
These
are
representations
of
what
we
thinks
and
Cahokia
looked
like.
So
they
may
not
be
your
stock
mental
images
of
Native
Americans.
Of
course,
there
are
very
many
different
Native
American
tribes
and
cultures
and
that
they
they
dress
differently.
They
look
differently,
they
use
scarification
and
face
paint
differently.
They
ate
different
foods.
Some
of
the
Native
Americans
who
lived
along
rivers,
for
example,
ate
fish
and
others
thought
fish
was
dirty
and
disgusting
and
they
did
not
eat
it.
So
I'd
had
to
do
quite
a
lot
of
research.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
thoughts
and
a
little
towns
along
there,
a
lot
of
roman
ruins,
and
so
that
was
why
I
really
got
into
Romans
at
the
time.
So
I
thought
I
knew
a
fair
amount
of
Rome
about
Romans
I
knew
I
would
have
to
do
a
really
a
great
deal
of
research
into
native
american
cultures
to
do
them
justice.
C
What
I
actually
eventually
found
out
was
that
I
needed
to
know
far
more
about
Rome
as
well
about
how
they,
how
they
made
things,
and
so
I
ended
up
doing
of
doing
like
hundreds
of
books
worth
of
research
into
into
both
cultures
and
I
really
enjoy
doing
that.
One
of
the
problems
with
writing
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
write
is
that
I
spend
so
much
time.
Reading
reading
that
I
don't
get
as
much
writing
done
as
I
should
so
anyway.
C
C
So
one
of
the
cool
things
about
writing
the
books
was
that
I
I
get
to
go
to
Comic
Cons
and
another
science
fiction
conventions.
So
here's
just
a
picture
of
that.
So
my
book,
Eagle
and
Empire
is
hiding
up
there
and
with
all
of
these
other
del
Rey
books.
So
it
was
when
I
first
went
to
my
first
comic-con
I've
now
been
to
three,
but
I
was
actually
convinced
that
yes,
I
really
was
an
author.
C
Before
then
I
was
having
trouble
believing
yeah,
I,
I
started,
I
did
New
York,
Comic
Con
and
then
I
did
San
Diego
comic-con
and
last
year
I
did
Phoenix
and
I'm
gonna
be
doing
Denver
Comic
Con
in
whenever
that
is
June
I'm
going
there
in
June,
Comic
Con.
So
awesome-
and
that's
me
doing
the
cover
reveal
for
the
third
book
at
San
Diego
Comic
Con,
okay,
flash
of
eagles.
What
does
it
do
so?
Why
is
alternate
history?
Fascinating,
here's?
Why
I
think
it's
fascinating?
It
enables
us
to
put
up
a
mirror
to
real
history.
C
What
we're
doing
when
we're
looking
at
this
version
of
North
America
are
the
one
that
came
out
of
my
brain
is
that,
where
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
a
type
of
North
America,
that's
very
different
from
the
Columbia
invasion.
We
know
it's
very
different
from
the
Spanish
and
the
British
and
the
and
the
French.
There
are
incursions
by
all
of
them
and
they
all
came
over
and
they
all
try
to
colonize
or
trade
or
conquer.
C
They
all
had
very
different
approaches
in
what
they
were
trying
to
do
in
North,
America,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
really
wanted
to
do.
I
kind
of
got
interested
in
this
story
idea
around
about
the
time
the
Bicentennial
was
try
and
look
at
it
in
a
different
way
and
see
how
things
might
have
gone
very
differently
with
a
different
type
of
invading
force.
C
Taking
my
hero,
Gaius
Marcellinus
across
North
America
I
enjoyed
having
his
having
his
the
way
his
mind
works
changed
by
what
he
sees
around
there.
He
starts
off
as
a
very
military
guy.
He
understands
the
Roman
army,
that's
pretty
much
all
he
understands,
and
obviously,
when
he
comes
over
to
North
America,
he
finds
out
that
the
things
things
are
very
different
from
how
from
how
he
imagined
them,
and
he
learns
a
lot
about
culture
and
community,
and
so
even
though
he's
a
pretty
experienced
guy,
he
he
he
learns
to
think
in
new
ways.
C
C
It
was
always
going
to
be
a
trilogy
all
the
way
through
it
has
this
big
story
that
goes
all
the
way
through,
as
well
as
the
individual
story
in
the
individual
books,
but
I
knew
it
was
all
one
thing
to
start
with:
it's
not
like
I
wrote
them
piecemeal,
so
I
got
the
Random
House
deal
Mike
Braff.
My
editor
also
edits
the
red
Mars
books
by
Pierce
brown,
which
some
of
you
may
know
about.
They're,
really
good.
C
C
So
there's
a
certain
amount
of
endurance
needed
for
this,
but
you
know
that's
that's
how
the
how
the
system
works
if
you're
publishing
through
a
major
publishing
house,
and
so
the
same
thing
was
happening
all
of
the
through
all
of
this
time
the
books
were
coming
out
when
they
I'd
actually
delivered
the
third
book.
When
the
second
book
came
out.
C
So
I
had
to
remember
when
I
was
doing
interviews
and
podcasts
and
and
things
for
the
that
I
was
actually
talking
about
the
second
book,
not
the
one
that
I
just
finished
writing
next
and
finally,
the
third
string
is
the
chromatic
shifting
gear
90
degrees.
Once
again,
the
the
acapella
group
there's
a
list
of
CDs
down
the
I
hear
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
years
ever
since
1988.
We
do
a
lot
of
performances
in
educational
settings.
In
fact
we
do.
Every
year
we
perform
at
the
National
Air
and
Space
Museum.
C
That's
the
astronomical
repertoire,
hoping
to
a
number
of
other
places,
the
Museum
of
Natural
Natural
History
in
New,
York,
Maryland,
Science,
Center
done
road
trips
to
Louisiana
and
so
on.
We
also
do
a
lot
of
science
fiction
conventions,
we're
going
to
be
a
Baltic
on.
We
were
recently
at
Farpoint
and
we've
done.
Phil
Connor
and
shore
leave
quite
a
bit
in
the
past
and
we
do
festivals.
We've
done
the
Kennedy
Center.
C
We
get
to
hang
out
with
cool
people
like
Neil
deGrasse
Tyson,
a
build
we'll
bill
nighy,
sometimes
when
we
share
a
stage
with
them,
and
so
that's
been
a
that's
been
a
cool
thing
that,
as
I
say,
has
made
me
no
money
but
has
been
a
solid
passion
over
the
years
hasn't
involved
a
whole
lot
of
reading,
but
it
has
made
me
get
up
from
behind
the
computer
and
kind
of
jump
around
that
dance
and
stuff.
Next,
this
is
the
Astro
capella
project,
I,
don't
know
actually
how
much
time
I
have
left.
C
So
somebody
should
flag
me
if
I'm
beginning
to
go
over
the
Astra
capella
project.
You
could
see
if
there's
a
list
of
songs
down
here
about
the
planets,
the
Sun,
the
habitable
zone,
which
is
the
the
zone
that
where
the
earth
is
in,
if
you're,
further
away
out
beyond
Mars
you're,
you're,
too
cold
and
if
you're
further
in
you're,
too
hot.
C
So
we're
at
the
earth
is
at
the
nice
place
where,
where
we
can
have
liquid
water
and
where
we
can
have
life
and
the
songs
about
the
Moon
and
Mars
little
bit
of
rock
is
a
song
that
I
wrote
about
the
comets,
the
meteors
and
the
asteroids,
and
we
have
various
things
about
high-energy
astrophysics
and
the
radio
astronomy
as
well.
Next,
our
CD.
C
This
is
where
the
parallels
where
things
start
to
mesh
here
because
suits,
were
writing.
Astronomy,
songs
and
I
were
at
NASA.
What
eventually
happened
was.
This
is
the
first
version
of
the
Astra
capella
CD,
which
has
only
six
songs
on
and
a
copy
of
that
CD
was
actually
taken
up
in
the
Space
Shuttle
on
the
on
the
servicing
mission
in
hidden
in
1999,
and
so
you
could
see
it
floating
there
in
space
and
so
in
a
way
I.
Something
I
did,
did
it
get
up
into
space,
so
that
was
cool.
C
Next
here
are
six
of
the
CDs
that
we've
done
over
the
over
the
many
years,
starting
with
first
light.
We
have
a
couple
of
Christmas,
CDs,
unwrapped
and
what's
delicious,
and
all
of
that
so
next
on
our
most
recent
CD,
which
came
out
this
year,
is
fragments
next
slide.
Please,
and
that's
that's
so
you
can
see
I,
actually
look
pretty
different.
C
You
probably
can't
see
me
very
well,
but
I
had
dark
hair
in
the
foot
on
the
first
album
cover,
not
so
much
these
days
so
been
doing
this
a
while
went
on
an
acapella
group
that
just
stands
in
one
place
and
sings.
We
tend
to
active
and
jump
around
and
and
have
things
that
masquerade
has
choreography
movement
anyway.
So
here
are
various
pictures
of
the
group
next,
and
so
you
can
see
that,
in
addition
to
singing
I
have
to
move
around
a
fair
amount
on
stage
two
next,
so
a
couple
of
questions,
I
get.
C
Why
don't
you
write
about
spaceships
and
people
going
through
the
galaxy
and
space
Wars
and
stuff,
and
that
is
because
it's
too
similar
to
the
day
job,
it
uses
exactly
the
same
part
of
my
brain
and
it's
actually
very
hard
to
think
about
to
keep
thinking
on
that
scientifical
level
at
evenings
and
weekends
as
I
do
during
the
day.
So
that's
why
I
write
hard
science
fiction.
His
clash
theories
are
more
historical,
fantasy,
but
they're
still
well
grounded
in
historical
fact.
I've
done
a
lot
of
research.
A
lot
of
reading
I,
don't
do.
C
Reading
I've
also
read
some
some
of
the
more
academic
journal
stuff
to
find
the
more
obscure
the
background
details
that
really
make
bring
that
mapley
of
the
setting
vivid
and
so
as
far
as
I
could
apart.
There
are
a
couple
of
speculative
elements
in
there
things
that
I
made
up,
but
if
you
read
the
books,
you'll
find
that
a
lot
of
it
is
based
on
archaeological
ground
truth
as
much
as
I
could
I
try
to
make
it
as
accurate
as
possible.
C
I
tried
to
do
justice
to
the
Native
American
side
and
make
sure
that
I
got
that
as
accurate
as
possible
and
that
I
was
respectful
of
that,
and
so
a
lot
of
reading
came
in
there.
I
was
I
found
that
I
was
thinking
very
much
as
a
scientist
when
I
was
that
kind
of
reading,
when
I
was
doing
that
kind
of
mental
exploration
and
doing
science,
research
and
researching
in
a
book
or
a
story
are
essentially
somewhat
similar
processes.
I
think
the
organizational
network
is
the
same.
C
Getting
the
point
across
is
the
same,
and
so
something
that
I
really
believe
is
that
science,
if
you're
doing
science,
it
actually
does
involve
creativity,
I
mean
you
can't
just
invent
things,
but
it
does
involve
a
lot
of
mental
flexibility.
It
does
involve
being
able
to
think
outside
of
the
box,
sometimes
to
understand
concepts
that
aren't
immediately
obvious
to
you
perhaps,
or
that
perhaps
don't
seem
to
make
sense,
but
are
in
fact
true.
So
I
think
science
does
involve
creative
thinking
and
at
least
are
the
way
I
do.
C
It
involves
quite
a
lot
of
organization
and
the
logical
thought.
How
do
all
these
things
work
together
in
your
brain?
My
methodological
person
is
asking
me
here,
and
so
this
is
the
art
versus
craft
thing
and
what
I
find
is
I'm.
Actually
thinking
about
these
things,
all
the
time,
even
when
I'm
at
work,
I'm
often
kind
of
my
mind,
is
flitting
back
to
the
stories
that
I'm
writing
and
so
I'm
thinking
about
those
two
and
when
I'm
at
home,
writing
I
find
I'm
thinking
about
work,
so
everything
kind
of
synergizes
off
everything
else.
C
You
could
start
a
second
career
later
on.
You
can
start
a
hobby
or
something
that's
also
really
involving,
and
sometimes
you
can
make
money
at,
but
even
so
it's
it's
all
part
of
leading
a
rich
life
is
having
many
different
things
that
you
can
do
and
many
different
things
you
can
enjoy
many
different
passions
next
and
so
I
think.
That's
all
I
had
to
say
and
I'm
very
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
may
have
there
are.
There
are
various
websites
there
where
you
can
find
out
more
about
me
or
more
about
the
group.
C
Have
not
yet
I
have
not
yet
written
a
song
about
clash
TV,
because
my
agents
saying
you
know
yeah
make
a
song
about
it
and
make
it
go
viral
on
YouTube
and
I'm,
like
I.
Don't
think
going
viral
on
YouTube
is
quite
as
easy
as
all
that
Catelynn,
but
so,
but
no
I
haven't
actually
written
a
song
about
that.
C
C
Was
the
horse
introduced?
Yes,
the
Romans
do
bring
me
the
bring
the
horse
across,
and
so
we
buy
the
third,
but
we
are
seeing
Native
Americans
riding
horses
in
North
America
because
the
horse
had
died
out.
Of
course,
in
the
mean
time,
and
so
it
was
extinct
at
that
time.
So
when
the
Native
Americans
first
see
horses
they're
a
little,
you
know
they're
not
quite
sure
what
to
do.
That's
just
as
they
were
in
the
history.
We
know
when
Native
Americans
first
first
met
the
horse.
C
It
was
actually
great
for
several
reasons.
Firstly,
because
all
of
this
time
I'd
been
writing
this
and
it
felt
like
this
mountain
that
was
in
front
of
me
when
I
sold
the
books.
I
knew
I
had
this
huge
amount
of
work
that
I
had
to
do.
That
was
ahead
of
me
and,
as
I
was
going
through
the
third
book
and
figuring
out
how
everything
works,
because
I
didn't
have
everything
like
intricately
planned
out.
In
my
mind,
I
had
an
outline.
C
I
knew
at
the
end
point
and
I
knew
was
gonna
happen
roughly,
but
I
didn't
have
all
over
the
details
set.
So
there's
a
certain
amount
of
exploration
as
I
went
through
it
and
I
could
kind
of
feel
the
mountain
decreasing
in
front
of
me
as
I
got
through
the
third
book
and
also
cause
in
the
third
book.
There
are
scenes
that
I'd
been
waiting
to
write
the
whole
they've
been
cool
stuff
that
I
knew
was
coming.
C
I
didn't
want
to
write
it
until
I
got
there,
and
so
I've
been
really
looking
forward
to
writing
those
scenes
towards
the
end
of
the
third
book
and
I.
It
was
really
satisfying
when
I
got
there
and
was
able
to
write
them
so
so
it
felt
great
for
many
reasons.
It
actually
made
it
more
interesting.
The
question
was:
did
I
come
across
anything
in
my
research
that
made
me
change
anything
dynamically
in
the
books
and
I?
Don't
think
any
of
the
large
plot
things
changed.
C
Certainly
a
lot
of
the
smaller
things,
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
interactions,
a
lot
of
the
movement
across
the
terrain.
All
of
that
that
was
changed
a
lot
by
things
that
I
discovered
while
I
was
writing
and
actually
I
found
it
interesting
because
I
was
like
oh
there's,
another
cool
detail,
I
can
put
in
here's
something
that
would
that
would
really
pop
with
the
reader.
Here's
a
really
nice
image,
so
yes,
I
would
change
things.
C
The
recordings
are
things
that
I
read
a
lot
of
the
Chaco
Canyon
stuff
came
along
fairly
later
on
when
I
realized,
how
cool
that
was
and
I
went
to
that
area,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
also
developed
there
are
much
there
are.
There
are
more
scenes
there
now
as
a
result,
and
so
yeah
things
did
change
things,
but
by
and
large
I
don't
think
there
was
any
time
when
I
was
incredibly
frustrated
or
you
know
sad
or
I
lost
a
plot
point,
because
something
just
wouldn't
work.
C
It
is
difficult
finding
and
difficult
moving
around
in
North
America
when
you
don't
have
highways,
and
so
I
did
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time.
Looking
at
Lewis
&
Clark,
looking
at
the
the
way
people
used
to
travel
around
North
America
before
we
had
high
technologies
and
making
sure
that
all
of
that
worked
sometimes
low,
making
making
sure
that
my
characters
had
enough
time
to
get
from
one
place
to
another,
and
it
wasn't
as
if
they
suddenly
appeared
there
by
magic
and
trying
to
make
that
realistic.