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Antrea Community Meeting, October 11th 2021

A

Morning, uh welcome good morning, good afternoon or good evening, thanks for joining the anthria community meeting today is tuesday october 12th or, if you're still in us, it's monday october 11th and for today there aren't much topics on the agenda. um We had uh an idea proposed by jay on the slack channel around a different format for the office hours just to make them a little bit more livelier to involve more community member members. I see that jay is joining in this moment, so we'll wait a little.

A

A

Okay, so uh as I was just mentioning, the main topic on the agenda for today is uh a proposal for making the andrea office hours a little bit more lively and uh exciting. Let's see from jay, uh you may read more about the proposal on the slack channel, but uh I'll now let uh jay speak directly about it.

A

Please go and jay.

B

Oh, hey yeah, so um well, I'm honored to be able to be the first item on the agenda, but maybe I'm the only item on the event I don't know um but yeah cool, I just so. My thinking was um I.

B

I spent a lot of time uh going to various community meetings um for for things like the cni group and for other cni providers, um and I've ran a few of these live streams for further for other things like, and uh I think it would be cool if this is kind of a conversation that we've bounced around back and forth um with antonin june jen and abhishek.

B

I've pinged them uh a few people, and I was thinking you know, it'd be cool if we had a sort of like a weekly hack session, where we kind of just dug into stuff somewhat spontaneously on the entrance side and uh kind of just looked where it went and maybe not always specifically to antrim. Maybe we dig into things like you know the way cni works and the difference between android agent first andressy and I, and um maybe we dig into things like l7 and things like that.

B

You know nude port local services and andrea proxy and different different things, and so like that would require you know, but then, at the same time, there's this, so you could have a sort of a stream where you covered all these things and you played around with them and you built a little bit uh more community-friendly vibe.

B

That might invite people to come and ask questions and learn about andrea works. But then we also have office hours, and I- and I believe I don't usually go to the officers, but I believe right now, our office, our attendance, isn't super high. Is that true, I'm not 100 sure.

A

I believe that's correct.

B

Yeah, okay, so if that's actually the case, um then you know, I think the idea, I believe it was me and antonin, and I were kind of discussing, I think, was well.

B

Maybe we could sort of try making the office hours a little bit more of a sort of you know like a live stream, sort of interactive sort of sort of show sort of thing, so people can come and if they don't have a topic um we'll play around with some stuff and we'll you know play around with some random mantra, features and see if we can get them working or see if we can break things um and uh and if they have topics that they want to talk about, then they can just join the stream right like they could ask comments, you know they can they they can leave comments.

B

They can leave flyby questions they could they could also, just you know I could just back channel with them and say: hey okay, feel free to join the stream, or we could have some way for people to join the stream depending on what technology we used for it, um and it seems like it's pretty low risk since right now we're still kind of growing our community and we're still pretty pretty young and nascent as a cni. So so it probably wouldn't be a huge deal either way.

B

If our approach changed over time um so- and I and I I have been warned that it- it might be tricky to come up with new content every week, but uh I think that I think, there's at least 10 or 15 weeks of of interesting ideas worth exploring that either would just turn into living, breathing documentation or may actually help us to grow the amount of people that understand entry and understand how it works to start. So that's that's kind of my pitch. um For me.

B

It's selfishly just an excuse to go and play with andrea, live and hang out and make some new friends um something. I would like to start digging back into more anyways um and I haven't had a chance to so that's what I was thinking and totally open to anybody else, co-hosting it if they're interested or um with me or anything like that anything along those lines.

B

So yeah! What? If? What do folks think.

A

I simply believe that it's a wonderful idea, I mean I did not attend many many office hours meetings as they are typically 11 pm my time, but the ones that I attended were like.

A

There were no more than three or four community members, uh the usual phases. Typically, so you know we had a pretty much zero ability to attract community members outside the circle of uh let's say, of of frequent committers and therefore yeah that'd be there would be a nice idea to attract also some people from the user community from the larger kubernetes community yeah, so that I think that's that's great is really a great idea. I mean you already.

A

I've identified the main challenge, which will be being able to come up with some new content every week, but pretty sure that you know moving forward over time, we'll find a solution for that too.

B

Cool um yeah, I mean I mean I think you know my thought was some stuff like you know, when we first start like simple things like how andrea works on kind or how how andrea network policies are implemented like little things like that that have been presented previously in different forums, you know, um you know, would be sort of the starting point you know.

B

um So that's why I feel like there's plenty of content, because, like once, you get through that there's probably two three months worth of features we haven't even talked about yet that have been added, and you know I could see it slowing down after a year or something um or after six months, but um but yeah, okay, cool thanks, salvatore. I appreciate um appreciate your support on the idea. Does anybody have any uh other other thoughts on it?

B

Or does anybody want to help co-host a show, because these are always more fun when there's two or three people, or you know who are kind of able to like bounce around different?

B

You know experiential knowledge.

C

Yeah, I think we can look into that. If you have an idea of a first topic, then uh probably uh one or two people can can join along cool.

B

Cool um well from there I mean I will it looks like june. Jen's got a thumbs up from him. So I'll do the paperwork and work with I've talked to susan, who does some marketing for y'all and stuff, and so I'll do the paperwork and see what we need to do to set it up and everything and get the ball rolling and probably reach out. If I need to figure out how to get access to anything, I guess currently, probably antonin, you're, probably the person to ping. I guess about that.

C

Yeah I told susan, she could add you to the youtube channel, so you should be able to. um I just don't care upload videos there and um yeah. I think as far as live streaming, you have you have more experience there. So I'm sure you, you know what to do.

B

Cool yeah, I'm gonna, try to see if I can get the ball rolling on it and fiddle around with that and yeah I'll, just I'll keep in touch, and, of course, if anybody else wants to do it um in to help out in any of this stuff uh or do a show or join one like just like whatever, like you know, I don't anyone can kind of do like like I'm, I'm totally happy to do any any arbitrary topic any week or switch the plan if folks are interested in something and they want to share it so just reach out to me.

B

Everybody knows where to find me, I'm in I'm in the entrance channel in upstream.

C

And the channel is probably the best place to announce the live streams and share the topics out of time yeah. I agree.

B

And I just I just saw vicky the looks like the windows engineers are joining now. So so, if there's any updates there happy to hear them.

D

Yeah jay, sorry, I think I joined the mutilate so you're talking about windows, windows, performance.

B

Oh no, I was just talking in general about doing some sort of revitalizing the entry community meeting and into like a live stream type thing a different topic, but then I saw you join and I figured maybe you had some windows topics, so I was like oh cool vicky's here.

B

Okay, let's see.

A

So vicky today we just discussed uh um nothing related to entry as a project or the different uh integrations without interior. We just discussed a different format for the office hours meeting, which is uh you know the by the bi-weekly meeting that goes uh every other week at 2 p.m. California time the idea is to make it uh more entertaining for the community more informative and jay is going to lead that, with with the new format, will include live stream and uh presenting the very santria feature with sort of deep dives and yeah.

A

It's going to be it's going to be very interesting, yeah, the only problem that is going to be a five in the morning, your time, because that's that's.

D

A

Time of the f hour so anyway, so many thanks jay for taking the lead of this initiative and now as jay guest, we don't have any other topic on the agenda for today, it's uh unfortunately it's a particular day where we are very, very, very, very short, on topics. I only.

D

A

A very boring public service announcement for today uh I don't know if you have any topic to bring up, maybe related to cubicon, which, as you know, is going on this week. I don't think that any one of us traveled there right is any one of us in los angeles at the moment,.

C

Nope we have the project office hours tomorrow. I don't know if that's what you wanted.

A

C

A

That would be yes, there will be one and there will be an announcement, but not the boring one. The boring one was slightly different. Yes, tomorrow we have the uh public the office hours which, if I'm not mistaken, are 5 p.m. California, time is that correct.

C

Yeah, that's correct, I don't know if you can find a link to the event. If anyone has a link, please put it in the in.

A

C

A

Yeah, that's 5pm, california, time which makes them suitable for both the west coast east coast and, most importantly for china, so that you know all the uh our contributors based in beijing should be able to attend the office hours. I believe that you should be at uh eight in the morning uh beijing time I believe yeah, maybe not extremely comfortable, but yeah at least not in the middle of the night.

A

The boring thing that I had to announce is that we are again at that time of the year where the world decides to shuffle clocks in a more or less random fashion, uh thanks antonin, for sharing the link, and so uh I believe that the a do you remember in united states when do with which clocks its first week of november or second week of october. I don't remember.

A

November, 7th, all right so next meeting, uh which is planned for october 26th, will be the we will still be everyone with the same, um with the same, uh with the same with the same clock and then the one after, let me see the one after being on november, the 9th we will have.

A

We will be in a better place compared to last year, because both europe and united states will have come back, let's say to uh normal standard to standard time, which means that the difference should be felt from the for the beijing team, and it should not be a big difference. So the timing will stay the same for us. It will stay the same for europe. It will just slightly change for beijing as we shift from 12 p.m, to 1 p.m.

A

That should not be a big deal and therefore I do not think that we need to consider moving the call to a different time. Does that make sense to you.

A

Cool thanks vicky, I was thinking I will go, buy the lazy consensus approach and take silence as a yes all righty, and uh this is also all for my boring, the public service announcement. I don't have anything less boring to discuss today. I don't know if anyone on the meeting would like to come up and propose any topic.

C

A

I'll, just uh I'll just.

C

Mention that the new version of the entria website is up, and so that's something I brought up for discussion a long time ago, but I didn't have time to get to it until very recently, and so now all the source code for the website lives in its own repository, instead of being like hidden away in um in a separate branch in the entry repository.

C

So that means it should be easier for folks to make updates to the website the docs folder in the main entry repo is still the source of truth when it comes to generating documentation, but everything that is like formatting and scripting and so on and so forth, is in the entry website repository now.

C

And so um if people want to write like blog posts about andrea, for example, they should be able to open their own pr's, either to link to an external blog post or to host a blog post directly on the website, and I also kind of like automated website generation. So every time there is a new entry release, for example, the website will be updated automatically and we switch uh website frameworks.

C

Even though the website doesn't look too different, we we switch from jkl to hugo, and actually the build is much faster now, which probably doesn't matter to most people. But it mattered to me because I was building the website from time to time.

A

I think that's very good news. I mean I I did not mind having the website in a sort of a very specific branch but yeah. It was not obvious, especially for yeah. It was not obvious like uh having to figure out where the branch was yeah now, with the dedicated uh with dedicated repo for the website, it's much better, but uh uh the fact that we, you still docks as a source of truth. Is it just temporary thing or are you planning to keep it that way.

C

uh I was I mean, that's something we discussed last time. um I think we decided to go with that for now, so that uh someone contributing a feature doesn't have to update like things in two different places. Basically, especially, if you do something small, you can update the docs as part of the same pull request.

C

uh If this creates issues, then we can revisit that discussion. I think I know a lot of like projects. Cuban cities, for example, put the docs along with the website. uh For now. I think what we're good, with what we have.

C

The only thing that can really be an issue at this stage is, if um is if there is like a markdown formatting issue in the documentation that doesn't show up in the github markdown renderer, but creates a problem with a website framework.

C

Then we basically have to go back to the main entry repo and fix it there and wait for it to propagate to the website, but because we do some linting on the markdown files in the entry repo, I think it should be okay and so far everything looks good. So I suggest we see how it goes.

C

um I think someone may have brought up the possibility of having the website and the documentation in different languages before so. If we do decide to tackle this and have like a chinese version, for example, of the andrea documents, and maybe that will influence that decision as well.

C

I will see.

A

Okay, thanks anton.

C

But anyway, when you have two versions of the documentation, there is always some it's always a bit of a synchronous right, because the person contributing the documentation in english is not going to be as a person translating that documentation into chinese. So yeah, that's right.

A

C

Most of the time, at least, I know a lot.

A

C

People on the call can speak both english and write, both english and in mandarin, but yeah. I don't.

A

Yes and cool anything else to add on the website.

C

That's all for me. If there's any questions, I can answer.

A

A

Right uh since we are in open discussion, I can maybe wait a minute to see if there is any other topic. uh So please, if you have anything else that you like to bring up for today, please step forward and uh you know, propose your topic.

A

Okay, it appears that we might not have any topic uh anymore topic for today. So if that's the case, we can conclude the meeting here and I would like to thank uh jay not only for attending today's meeting, but also for pretty much volunteering for uh for leading this new format of gentrio office hours. Many thanks to anton also for his work on moving the documentation to its own website to its own um repository and well thanks to everyone else for joining.

A

This call- and I wish everyone a good morning good afternoon, good evening or good night thanks for joining again and talk to you in two weeks time.

D

Thanks bye, thank you guys. Thank.

C