Apache Mesos Community Working Group, 20 Nov 2017

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Agenda and Notes:
https://docs.google.com/a/mesosphere.io/document/d/1vgi434dYkkZHs49EK4F4eMmM-3JG4f3qg-N5En-4ubg/edit?usp=drive_web

A

Well, it looks like Gregg and Vinod, who are usually the to of other people who consistently come to this meeting on her book busy. So I only have one thing on the agenda: I figure. We can go ahead and get started, um so the only thing that I had to propose was we had a quarterly Dhaka thon a little while back for me, so um hosted it. My sister, it was on October 12th um in order to make it quarterly, it has to be recurring.

A

So I was gonna, propose the date of January 11th, so it would be like every three months on the second Thursday of the month. Okay,.

B

Sounds good yeah.

A

Have you been to any of the community meetings? Community working group meetings before I have.

B

Been to like I think one or maybe two okay.

A

Yeah yeah um did you have anything you wanted to bring out no.

B

I just wanted to actually like check out what was going on. The community side didn't actually I. Think locking in awhile just wanted to get an idea. Yeah.

A

I think we have a couple of things going on, but probably everybody is oh, it's Greg hi Brandon.

C

A

How's it going I'm all.

C

Right, how are y'all doing good.

A

Yeah I was just gonna, read off our action items from last time, but since you're here you could give us an update. Okay,.

C

Well, unfortunately, I don't really have an update about the newsletter. This time I was hoping to, but I didn't get a chance to work on it. So I will make that happen before the next meeting.

C

And I think that's all I had to did.

A

C

Did not so I chatted with Ben Maller about this, and the prank that been raised was that for.

A

Kapil and everybody in the Hoos might be watching the recording. The thing we're talking about is a review working group. Yes,.

C

We were talking about having a regular working group when committers and or contributors could meet to discuss current pending reviews so that we could just help help people make progress on reviews and not let them go stale.

B

C

I think that, well what Ben Maller said and what I tend to agree with is that we should establish what what the current situation is like. How?

C

How many reviews do we have kind of languishing and sitting there so that we know what we're trying to improve precisely and we'll be able to tell when it is improved, because that kind of a meeting would really be beneficial if there were reviews falling through the cracks that weren't already getting attention from a committer like if there's already a committer engaged with the the contributor involved, then those meetings might not be like if it's just the fact that people don't have time and they're already engaged with the contributor and such a meeting might not help that much.

C

But if we have a situation where there are kind of scattered reviews that don't have an established like where there isn't an established working relationship between the contributor and the committer, then a meeting like that might help facilitate those interactions.

C

B

You're thinking.

C

If we characterize the types of reviews that we have unaddressed, it might help us better understand if that meeting would be useful, yeah.

A

So that's possible um when I first joined there used to be like internal maysa meetings about the community like internal Denise's fear, um and we kind of in those meetings went through the review backlog and it seemed to me like the issue, was that lots of the committers at least the ones that worked at mrs. fear um didn't really have the bandwidth to review things because their workload was too high and so I talked with I think with Ben and Artem about getting more time allocated for reviewing uh PRS and they both like.

A

They said yes, but then the issue was that nobody really carved out at that time, and so it got eaten up by other things anyway. So I think I think the thought that I had for this meeting was that it's not so much about like holding people accountable to whether or not they've reviewed their reviews, but just carving out a defined amount of time to actually work on them.

C

A

So I was thinking it would be less of like a check-in meeting and more of an actual, like let's work on this now for one hour a week, because this is your time to work on it or. However, however often it was or, however much time it was gonna we could carve out for it. Yeah.

C

Yeah and that so that may be beneficial I think the the amount that you could really get done like that strikes me as something that would be useful for smaller tickets.

C

Something that's more involved like that amount of time might not be sufficient, but maybe it would serve to just to keep keep the issue moving and like keep work occurring on it. Yeah.

A

C

A

Don't imagine that anybody would be able to like get through a review of a feature in an hour. However much but yeah.

C

Yeah, so maybe we should try to do a little survey of what the current state of review board is yeah.

A

I think the note had a report on that at me.

C

Well, we had some numbers a while back I'm, but at least the last time I saw anything. It was maybe a year ago or nine months or something so I would expect that information to be stale.

A

So I guess at this point we're kind of trying to get back to where we were just from an information standpoint like yeah.

C

A

He'll, do you have thoughts on that like what might hold up reviews how how people work on review stuff, like that I think.

B

Historically, it's been just one of those things. No one had like enough cycles to ensure that the backlog is not much to go. I think we have been struggling with that for about like three or four years now.

A

Yeah, so my hope is to carve out time.

B

Yeah also I think that's what we try to do with the the shepherding approach so that you know that can.

A

You hear me: yes, I can yeah Greg.

B

Yeah I think the shepherding of the Gira's was one of those things which was trying to address the initial concerns around to doing so. I think this still, it's still a lot of what you'll, I guess, yeah.

A

And I think the issue is that, like even if yeah, it just seems like a difficult thing, yep.

A

I'm slacking Greg.

A

Cool okay, so um Greg, can you hear us I think.

B

He's offline now, yeah.

A

Okay, um I'm just gonna, assign this to him. Okay,.

B

Oh and it's back, Oh.

C

Greg, can you hear us hey? Can you guys hear me? Yes,.

A

A

Can you hear us hellooo.

C

A

C

Okay, I can't hear you guys not sure, what's up.

C

There you go, I can hear you again, yay.

A

C

Guys, I, don't know what that was no.

A

Problem we just I just assigned you to figure out the current state of review board.

C

Okay, actually gathering data. If I'm going to work on the newsletter I, don't imagine, I will get a chance to do that. Okay,.

A

Do you want me to try and ask the node what he had before.

B

A

B

Nick had created a long time ago, it was just actually fetch the status of all the active Gaea items. Sorry active review board items mostly in terms of how long they have been sitting there and so on.

B

I'm not sure where that script was hosted, though.

A

Okay, Nick, which Nick.

B

Oh Nicholas.

A

A

Okay, so I'll ask him about that next time, right, mm-hmm.

C

No no Nicholas and Neil. Oh.

B

Honey, how my dad is.

C

A

Yeah I are ie I'm.

C

B

I think it might be in one of the mills Phillipos, but we can check.

A

Okay Greg: can you check on that or should I try and track him down, I don't own. It.

B

Drag it down. Okay, this clipped, so Nicholas himself is not active in the project anymore, but let's see if I can find the script. Great awesome.

A

Perfect um cuz that would save a lot of work. Yeah.

A

Cool, so once we find out the state of the review board is the next step to just like meet with people and see I mean I, assumed that there's gonna be a giant backlog. I assume we haven't gotten better at reviewing things than we were a couple months ago.

C

Yeah, what was what was that.

A

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that when we find out the status of review board that what we're gonna find is that the backlog is the same or larger than it used to be. Is that a reasonable assumption, I.

C

Honestly, don't know: okay.

D

It might be at Commission's, I, also scroll down the last couple months.

D

I'm feeling crumbly, you have to see the numbers yeah well.

A

Wait on that then um Greg. The other thing that I brought up was that I want to do the docket on on January 11th, the next one, because we're gonna try and do them quarterly cool sweet I sent out an email. So hopefully people will respond to it and say: yes, that's great.

C

Thanks Judith I will make sure to reply on that thread.

A

Anything else to discuss.

D

C

Yeah no progress last time, yeah have an update for next time.

D

Nothing else for me: yeah.

C

Nothing for me: okay,.

A

Great um in that case, thanks guys and we will meet again I think in two weeks and have good Thanksgiving holidays sounds.

C

Good thanks, Julie thanks nice thank.

A