Apache Mesos Community Working Group, 24 Sep 2018

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Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vgi434dYkkZHs49EK4F4eMmM-3JG4f3qg-N5En-4ubg/edit

A

I'm gonna start recording, guess, Sun and I were just talking a bit about mrs. Khan and that's the only thing I really wanted to discuss today. But if anybody has anything else, of course we can.

B

Take notes in the darker you, so one thing I wanted to add was flaky test reporting in inside Jenkins a couple things that are like us to see in everyone trying to see who can do it or who wants to do a chance. I think that's a good idea or not. Okay,.

A

Sweet so there we can talk about missus come first, I was asking about the hackathon, so guest on you said: there's gonna be one on the last day: yeah I guess I can be fun. General.

C

A bit on mrs. Connors world, okay to be good yeah and we everybody should have financed the venue I had our dentists, I did wasn't frightened and pretty sure we studied I have to confirm with you will be in San Francisco for November 5th to 7th and main event will be in the first two days and the venue is on Market Street between power and Civic, Center and yeah.

C

The areas we would have many will do the same during the first two days and then on the third day on the seventh, we will have the hackathon. He won't be in the same place, we're looking for Avenue, we're hoping that our company involves the community can host us. We expected fewer people on the main event. That's why you can do it as well, and we were just talking with Greg here, a lot which topics we could all go and do and how often or how we want to structure them.

C

All so I know where you you ready or not yet, but in the voting for musicians, is out yeah.

B

I watch it already both.

C

Of you and for me, there's.

B

Some good talks in there yeah actually like all the submissions in there. It was interesting rocks that you guys have if I turn it into. Was that mainly to make it easy for voters yeah.

C

I think a balanced burger and the feedback before was there. A single poll was too long and people gave up and have to go.

B

To the answer to me that.

C

This will be a dual track event, so we won't have as many fire trucks for.

B

C

B

Yeah yeah did we went as.

C

A voting end against on fire, so I'm thinking, maybe next week or with the way we would have to finalize today. Sure okay.

B

Okay, that really gives us I guess about like a month and half I, guess roughly for people, mm-hmm, yeah, I, record submissions from outside us I think just one or two okay. So there is a thing: they need to figure out different yeah.

C

Yeah, it's from Europe I, think one we go to I think could be fine yeah. We have to see.

B

And what's the capacity of the venue is 450 people? Okay? Okay, that's what we're expecting based on registration, yeah, yeah, open? Okay, what ways the website is that the missus content I did not order yeah. So that was pointing to the survey or something. Last time I checked, yeah.

C

Now, exploiting Hugh landing page, it has links to the polls and they anything that has a wrinkly registration page were still.

B

Says SurveyMonkey survey is closed for me.

C

You might have to refresh your gosh or something.

B

Con 2018 dark yeah.

A

And then it redirects me to missus County team that sketch calm.

B

Yeah, it's going to sorry monkey for me we're.

A

B

C

Yes, but I mean, if you mrs., Cohen eighteen, don't shed of calm. I know what the critics I'm working for you what's working for me at home on here and gets. Maybe your DNS server slovers like to mention.

B

A

C

Was updated last week, but is it 2018 no talk or eighteen not order? So the shell is a thean, but the main page is again said that should break either. Is mrs. Kahn qo1, eight dot, org, okay,.

B

Weird, why, my dear this is not cached and I'm doing it from like incognito, so that doesn't use any cash but I guess it's! So what what does it should watch it redirect? Oh nice, one one eight note.

C

S see HDD Cybercom, okay, okay,.

B

C

C

You know what saying at the website doesn't really like him to your right page: yeah yeah. It worked for me at home, so Comcast words and I know what you have to do. Other stuff works big yeah.

B

C

You Ramon good still.

B

Going to Sarah might get for me.

D

So, on same happen to you know: Oh interesting, maybe there's some DNS Aristo caching, I kind of I have like I feel like a random. Let me we can check into that yeah that work from home, for you know.

B

Iii come home, okay,.

B

Yeah but mrs. Cohen 18 at shed calm that opened up something. That's.

C

What should be like what you should dance yeah yeah, try to fix it, I know what we can do it, because we're just.

C

B

D

It's just us on the call or okay yeah sure, just a heads up. We have some venues to cure it, so it's gonna be for missus calm. It's gonna be here in San Francisco's. It village and we're gonna start promoting announcing that today, once this guy has tied here, I guess.

C

C

B

Bit the page to do all that I guess: yeah.

C

And also negate very good.

B

D

Soon, as someone is not updating the TNS, some caching and all yeah.

C

Yeah hallelujah, we can even got later so.

A

We were saying through the hackathon. We could maybe keep the test Athan idea in our back pocket as something that people could work on if they don't have other stuff to do during the hackathon. Just making progress on triaging tests is something that is very doable in a few hours time period. Ahaha.

B

C

Green would be good your head worst, you have a whiteboard or something like that during the first two days, or we could connect ideas for as well. If, if you picture.

D

That venue, where you're kind of on the upper floor, so there's like a staircase leading up, was like brick wall so much because the old office walls actually and if we just put like a blank piece of paper just by going out people always just scribbled or eight years uh or to get feedback I feel that would be really really cool.

B

C

I mean we can do it this way, that's with it anyway be yeah yeah.

A

And I could maybe that'll just be like my idea for the hackathon like a little test fixing mission yeah. If you propose that anyhow yeah sweet.

A

So are they are there any surrounding events like I'm wondering if I guess we don't have so many committers coming in from out of town? Do we I was wondering if there was any reason to have like a committers gathering or if there are any other events outside the beliefs? That would make sense.

D

And the ideas to have this kind of like community stuff in the morning, so we can have.

D

We can have Europe join remotely. Okay.

A

C

Yeah we're on the working group status updates in the morning of the day, and then we go to stream them.

B

Are you recording the event recording the talks and stuff stream.

B

Awesome cool kalabaw so.

A

The working group update you were thinking the morning of the first day and yeah that.

C

Was yeah and then okay, so it would be keynotes first and those updates then genomic sessions and then at the end. But earlier than last time the council's that were received first I guess one bit the dumb horse, yeah yeah and we're we're still night.

D

It's still TBD.

C

D

Were you me, the binos work joins the PC meetings. We could actually make decisions yeah.

B

Sorry I wasn't able to join the last couple months. I think.

C

This week, and next week are already is.

B

A next one, let me just check right now, actually Friday.

C

It's Friday at 10:00 a.m. San Francisco time and by the end we would have I will idea of the voting results and the poll causes, of course, on Friday or Thursday I, remember Wednesday night when she died so yeah. We should have criticized by then okay.

B

But I guess I can move that around a bit. You.

A

C

Greg was give us ideas, he and also yeah sure.

D

Did we actually, we should probably just send in a reminder to the channels we can send like a reminder tonight, hey we have a venue and please consider voting. If you haven't done so yeah yeah, we should tweet.

C

Us well, then, I would get something from yeah. I was working with, so this is happening we have already. We have. Submissions will be great.

A

B

There going to be any other push from like marketing and like are we doing any more about thing pushes ours is that it together.

A

B

I guess we don't know the registration page or anything like that. Yet right we have.

C

B

It is a even it's.

C

A link from mrs. Conrad page: if you want tickets, then you would that you there. Okay, oh.

C

C

Yeah I mean once we have the agenda, we will start blasting, everyone.

B

Very attending this event visit the link.

C

Is the link there's a tickets tab at the bottom of the.

B

Inspector I guess now.

C

That with the venues confirmed, we can update this page as well hi. In that information we ended off. We were sperm, who.

B

Is doing the page, it's just people on the.

C

Piece here: do we have anyone? It's just people maybe see it's like was York now and then I will help of a video. That's what okay, it's just a great, so this website already salsa music stuff for us. Okay,.

B

D

Was our postal code again or the news come 2018 I just want to be on a stretcher, never mind I'll find to yeah yeah.

B

Cool can also it's happening. I got the venue and everything yeah.

A

Is there anything else to discuss on mesas town before we talk about flaky tests.

B

Okay, so for the flaky test, the thing that I've been trying to figure out is exactly which tests are flaky and how often and I do I think it's been a very manual process so far, quite like Alex, probably looking at manually looking at each of the bills: internal bills, mainly the eyebrows and maybe external bills, every once in a while and seeing which tests continue getting repeated and then sending an email or something I'm, just trying to see how we could automate this stuff, because Jenkins already has plug-ins for this sort of thing.

B

We just don't utilize it at well. So the one thing that I think we should do is in our, for example, the missus buildbot since its uses darker. It doesn't.

B

Basically, all the test, artifacts gettg seed minute of the test, France.

B

The plugins that Jenkins come built with, like the J unit plug in that graphs, the test and stuff don't work because the tests are deleted right after the bill finishes. Yes, the first thing we need to do is change our billboard in such a way that the test get written outside the docker file system. So we create a file directly outside and just mount it inside the doctor so that whatever it writes, sticks around after the docker file system gets GCD.

B

That's the first thing we need to do, and once we do that I think we can just point Jenkins J in it plug into the directory, and then it will start graphing it. So that's the first thing and that will show each unit test for at the Test section level and individual test level, whether they're going red or gray and stuff like that for every bill, so that would be a good chart.

B

The next thing I think I was also looking at some other plugin, just Gina test report plug-in which apparently actually Pink's the JIRA ticket for the test. If the test fails right now, that's also Eddy manual. Someone has to if a test fails, the Gordon fine do a search in JIRA and see if that test has been reported flaky and then they put a comment there right. The.

C

B

Stuff could also be automated. Jenkins has a plug-in where you could just it'll create a ticket for you if there's no such to get for the test, or if there is one already it actually comments on that on the ticket and puts the test output in there I think that's pretty pretty valuable yeah.

C

B

Very similar to our merge product that we have internally atmosphere which but I, think that's very manual. You still need to manually override and then it goes and puts it in the JIRA.

B

But this one is more automated, so I think these two things I think would help get visible in a long way and also kind of constantly pingas. Look at this. What we'll just has been flaky and it keeps commenting on the ticket, so you see like a shitty like every day or every week or something, and you cannot see the urgency of that particular test. I think both of those would actually help us identify this flaky test and act on them.

B

I think you miss more visibility, I feel and I help, hopefully help us paradise, fixing them metafile hackathon. If you get at least the J networking, and this will have a good idea of what are these tests that are most flaky, but just when you in Jenkins, not even maybe in JIRA.

B

So that's what I've been thinking, what everybody is think I.

A

Think it sounds great yeah yeah and the JIRA plugin. We could probably implement that on our internal CI, also yeah.

B

Yeah I'm going to create only things inside the internal JIRA, I guess roses because I don't know if you can configure it to talk to ASF. Maybe it's good I, don't know you Paula need to get a body count or something so that it has permissions to write comments or maybe, if you cared about account and add it as a contributor and maybe then it can comment. Yeah.

A

I mean we wouldn't have to do that anyway, for as I think.

B

They only did it for ESS Leslie.

A

They'd already.

B

Added that plug into the S of Jenkins instance, and there.

A

Are a credentials.

B

A

So both of those plugins already installed and they're searching.

B

Canali, that's not probably a big problem, but I think the bigger issue is if it has to talk to a subject s of JIRA. We need to create a bot account and add it all contributors list and stuff.

D

B

Doable, so it's not too too bad, but yeah yeah.

A

I'm definitely a plus ones. You both of those plugins yeah yeah,.

B

Jacket on is actually have the plugins work. Yeah.

A

So is that way is that what you're planning to work on I could.

B

If you don't get to it by then, okay I was hoping you forget to it by then we'll actually have an idea of what all the tests are flaky, so that the guy attacked the thingy.

D

C

B

If what we get to do is actually just make it automated in the flame Indian hackathon, that's fine too. We probably already have a list somewhere with Alex on what the flaky tests are. Yeah.

A

We have a bunch of tickets in JIRA, yeah.

B

So he can practice that, and maybe we can work on just automating, that stuff in the hackathon be cool yeah.

A

B

Yeah I want to forth and I just realized that our review board also not working. It's been failing me some Python error, since they did the Python 3 upgrade I, think so I just pinged sandy and those guys think they change something in the verified reviews and also the Python 3 got updated. So it's now it's both it's not able to put comments. I think it's failing, so that also kind of tells me that people are not looking at the build failure. Emails probably too many of them and people are stop looking at them.

B

You're saying build bar is always failing preview. What review review burn billboard there's some other issue as this other there's some dr. issue where even before the test starts, when we do the darker pull off or image, it keeps failing on a darker image. Fetching thingy I, don't completely understand, so we need to figure that out too, it's like an infrastructure issue.

B

Someone else to understand what that issue is and have it fixed. It's it's flaky. Some of the tests are failing even before we pull image down or Riley pull the image to run the test same.

A

B

So yeah I need to look at that one as well. Yeah.

A

I can take a look at that today because I'm I think I'm still on our internal CI on-call rotation, okay,.

A

Yeah anything else anybody wants to discuss.

C

A

Thanks for the update on makes this car I'm looking forward to yeah.

C

Looking for T, you will be here, so you have an excuse. That's.

A

D

Follow up to spend that he sends the email, internal yeah, sweet.

A

Thanks for joining is nice to see.

D

Even add yes, yep I, you know I just checked. Probably you should clear your cache as iyx my check with my two browsers Google, who still hadn't cashed. I, was getting to the old page, Firefox and Safari, which is a new one. They didn't have any cash entries. Okay,.

B

I also might remain called meto and I thought it would not use any cashes III.

D

Released so as well, but I ended up still seeing the same and I'm talking to maybe just try another browser and just ping me on slack yeah.

B

I just want to make sure other people are not having the same issue if they're having we should probably send them the actual link too, just in case there. If there are still it's our webpage.

C

Using this new domain, oh yeah.

B