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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting February 1, 2023
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on February 1, 2023 at 1:30 PM.
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A
B
Let's
assume
the
attitude
of
Prayer
Mercy
on
my
father,
we
come
watch
the
game,
so
thank
you.
Heavenly
Father,
for
all
the
blessings
have
bestowed
upon
us
for
this
opportunity
to
continue
to
serve
this
great
City.
We
ask
the
Lord
that
all
of
our
decisions
be
right
them
with
wisdom
for
the
benefit
of
the
of
our
residents.
Yes,
we
pray
thy
son,
Jesus,
name,
amen,
amen,.
C
E
F
E
E
D
H
I
I
The
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
the
crossroads
at
Kelly
Park
phase
3
mdp,
proposing
the
development
of
95,
single-family
residences
and
future
development
of
350
multi-family
units
and
Commercial
uses.
37
single-family
residential
units
will
have
a
typical
lot
with
a
56
feet
and
58
single-family
units
will
have
a
minimum
lot
width
of
40
feet.
The
residential
units
will
have
a
minimum
living
area
of
1200
square
feet
and
those
with
a
minimum
lot
of
40
a
lot
with
the
40
feet
will
have
will
be
rear.
Loaded.
I
The
multi-family
and
Commercial
portions
will
undergo
separate
development
review
processes.
The
proposed
access
for
this
project
is
on
Kelly
Park
Road
via
the
spine
road
to
the
South
and
an
on
Dutch
road
to
the
North.
Cross
access
will
be
stubbed
out
in
locations
to
the
east
and
south
to
be
connected
to
adjacent
future
development.
I
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
January
10
2023
Planning
Commission
on
a
4-1
vote,
recommended
approval
of
the
crossroads
at
Kelly
Park
phase
three
major
development
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
major
development
plan
subject
to
the
findings
of
the
staff
report,
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions
any.
J
I
I
I
I'll
I'll
ask
our
transportation,
planner
Pam
Richmond
to.
I
E
L
L
So
that's
why
I
want
to
lay
it
out
in
the
workshop,
when
we
have
time
to
look
at
everything,
answer
all
your
questions
and
when
our
a
Pioneer
pioneering
Agreement
partners
are
here,
they
can
most
of
them
are
going
to
want
to
stand
up
and
tell
you
about
their
respective
developments
and
what
their
particular
part
is
and
and
why
this
is
going
to
work
perfect.
E
M
Albert
McKamey
3603
golden
Jam,
Road
Apopka
at
the
last
annexation
meeting,
I'm
indebted
to
Chief
McKinley
for
giving
us
some
accurate
facts,
facts
that
unfortunately,
the
City
commissioners
and
Jim
hit
haven't
been
able
to
give
me
recently
at
that
particular
meeting.
It
was
reported
to
us
that
there
were
27
000
potential
new
residents
coming
to
Popcaan.
That
was
on
the
chief's
information
which
he
drew
from,
which
was
before
another
five
or
six
thousand
homes
had
been
completed.
M
M
Just
now,
I
continuously
come
down
here
and
ask
at
what
point
City
commissioners
are
going
to
accept
the
fact
that
there's
a
problem
with
the
numbers
they've
given
I
think
it
was
at
the
beginning
of
December
Mr
hit
reported
that
he
had
an
80
000
budget
that
was
involved
in
actually
producing
the
correct
figures
for
what's
happening
in
this
area.
Just
now
the
Figures
were
going
to
be
for
the
end
of
the
year
figures.
M
So
what
I'm
asking
the
Commissioners
to
do
is
to
refrain
from
making
any
decisions
until
this
Workshop
has
been
looked
at
and
to
see
whether
we
can
actually
sustain
the
development
on
golden
gem
Road.
You
know
it
seems
unfair
that
you
continuously
prioritize
projects
that
are
going
to
develop
other
parts
and
provide
comfort
for
them,
whereas
on
golden
gem
road
we've
been
this
way
for
a
number
of
years.
I
know
for
a
fact.
M
Some
of
you
have
seen
that
the
terrible
effects
of
the
the
the
sand
and
dust
and
all
sorts
of
things
that's
going
on
at
the
last
meeting.
I
said
to
you
golden
gem.
Road
is
two
miles
long.
It's
double
yellow
lines
down
all
the
way.
It's
only
enough
room
for
one
lane
of
traffic.
You
can't
overtake
a
pedestrian,
can't
overtake
a
bicycle
at
what
point?
M
N
And
to
go
over
that
point,
you
know
again
it's
it's
a
it's
a
timing
and
pacing
thing
for
sure
Mr
hit.
You
had
provided
the
council
on
Thursday
of
last
week,
some
numbers,
and
so
just
let
me
let
me
read
it
into
public
record
just
so
that
we're
all
aligned
in
terms
of
what
those
numbers
are
in
2018.
In
terms
of
completed
certificates
of
occupancy
issued
through
your
department
in
2018
there
was
294
in
2019
there
was
343
in
2020
there
was
396
in
2021,
there
was
760
in
2022.
There
was
500.
N
so
again
within
the
realm
and
margin
of
error.
You're
talking,
let's
just
call
it
500,
even
though
that's
above
average
for
the
years
prior
to
2020.,
so
500
CEOs
per
year
and
I
think
to
Chief
McKinley
what
he
was
reporting
during
the
annexation.
Workshop
is,
on
average
dwelling
units
within
the
city
of
a
popped
average,
three
people
for
her
dwelling
unit,
so
on
average,
if
you
extrapolate
that
out,
it's
1500
people
a
year
to
you
know
having
that
number
in
play.
That's
you
know.
Our
expectations
from
my
expectation
is,
you
know.
N
Obviously,
during
budget
session
budget
season,
which
starts
at
the
staff
level
in
March
or
April
of
every
year,
is
that
those
that
that
pacing
of
new
residents
and
new
structure
are
going
into
the
analysis
that
they're
doing
to
set
their
budgets?
That's
not
happening
Mr
mckimmie's,
absolutely
right,
because
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
resources
to
be
able
to
account
for
that
growth.
N
However,
I
don't
subscribe
to
the
fact
that
we're
able
to
kind
of
crank
through-
and
you
know,
we're
going
to
have
20
000
people
over
the
next
year
or
two
years.
It's
going
to
be
more
of
a
staggered
growth,
but
but
again
those
those
pressures
increase.
If
our
development
Community
wants
to
accelerate
that
that
construction,
then
it's
a
finite
capacity
issue
that
we've
always
talked
about.
You
have
finite
resources
within
your
department
to
go
over
permitting
to
go,
do
site
inspections
to
issue
those
cos.
N
So
unless
you
staff
up
or
contract
that
service
out
that
500,
give
or
take
is
not
going
to
go
materially
higher
or
lower
than
that
number
I
would
suspect.
If
it
does
with
the
same
resources,
then
I
would
assume
that
quality
is
going
down,
so
this
absolutely
has
to
be
contemplated
as
we're
as
we're.
Considering
things
and
it's
irrelevant,
it's
a
relevant
point
and
it's
my
call
to
action
for
staff
to
make
sure
that
they're
doing
that
during
budget
budget
season.
N
H
Dennis
new
105,
West
Magnolia
here
comes
another
development
built
on
two
lane.
Roads
today
is
the
first
time
I've
heard
anything
about
a
transportation
plan,
and
it
pertains
specifically
just
to
that
area,
not
Citywide,
I'm
sure
the
transportation
plan
for
the
city
is
out
of
date.
The
infrastructure
plan
is
out
of
date.
All
of
these
two
lane
roads
that
we
keep
building
more
developments
on
are
already
overcrowded.
The
schools
are
above
capacity,
the
fire
department
is
still
under
staff.
H
The
police
department
is
under
staff
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
other
Public
Works
departments,
the
water
department,
the
sewage
department
and
the
others
are
under
staff.
It's
time
to
slow
this
down,
you
can
call
it
a
moratorium
or
whatever
you
want
to,
but
it's
time
to
slow
it
down
until
such
time
as
our
plans
are
in
place
and
we've
started
towards
the
progress
for
the
advancement
that
the
city
needs,
growth
is
inevitable.
Why
are
we
always
12
steps
behind.
N
I
just
have
one
other
question
for
staff.
You
know.
Obviously,
the
next
two
pieces
of
business
are
going
to
deal
with
water
collection
and
routing
the
the
new.
This
new
piece
of
this
particular
development
is
all
of
it
flowing
into
that
one
retention
area,
or
some
of
it
flowing
North
to
the
larger
retention
area.
That's
already
on
property.
O
Land
spin
pulls
some
Bennett
the
applicant
on
on
the
crossroads
project.
The
storm
water
is
split
between
the
pretension
that
you
see
here
and
there's
a
larger
retention
in
the
middle
of
the
overall
project
site.
Okay,
so
it
is
split
in
terms
of
its
routing.
N
O
E
E
D
Q
Good
afternoon,
mayor
Commissioners,
I'm,
Richard,
derpier
city
engineer
and
so
I
have
two
items,
items
number
two
and
three
on
your
agenda
today
and
if
it's
all
right,
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
explain
what
both
of
those
items
are.
Q
The
first
item
is
a
request
to
authorize
an
emergency,
the
emergency
designation
for
public
services
to
procure
the
services
of
Ballinger
irrigation
for
the
design,
permitting
construction
and
one
year
of
Maintenance
of
the
alternative
water
supply
irrigation
pump
projects
that
will
serve
the
subdivision
of
subdivisions
of
Clear,
Lake
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landings
last
Thursday,
mayor
Nelson,
other
senior
staff
and
I
met
with
both
homeowners
association
presidents
to
formulate
a
plan
that
was
agreeable
to
the
homeowners
associations.
Q
The
homeowners
agreed
upon
approach,
as
described
in
your
package
in
more
detail,
but
I'll
hit
the
high
points
here
in
on
the
microphone
I
guess
so
the
city
will
fund
design
permitting
the
city
will
fund
the
design,
permitting
construction
and
the
maintenance
of
the
alternative
water
supply
irrigation
pump
project.
Q
The
irrigation
systems
will
be
set
up
so
that
they
will
be
temporarily
disconnected
from
the
city's
Regional
reclaimed
water
Network,
although
it
will
be
possible
to
reconstruct
the
irrigation
systems
back
to
the
city's
reclaimed
water
Network
someday.
If
and
when
Clear
Lake
is
temporarily
too
low
to
use
the
lake
as
an
alternative
water
supply.
Q
Q
Q
The
city
needs
to
have
easements
from
both
homeowners
association
to
access
their
private
property
to
construct
and
maintain
these
systems.
Both
easement
agreements
for
both
of
the
homeowners
association
stipulate
that,
after
five
years,
the
city
will
analyze
the
potential
analyze
and
potentially
renegotiate
the
building
approach.
Q
Considering
the
reclaimed
water
usage
passed,
reclaimed,
water
bills,
final
costs
associated
with
the
setup
and
maintenance
of
the
irrigation
systems.
Of
course,
the
level
of
Clearwater
lake
at
that
time
and
the
city
does
to
intend
to
recover
all
the
setup
costs
associated
with
the
implementation
of
this
alternative
water
supply
project.
Q
As
I
mentioned,
both
homeowners
association
presidents
supported
that
plan.
This
plan
last
week
on
Monday
I
understand
that
both
homeowners
associations
conducted
emergency
meetings
with
their
residents
to
discuss
the
proposed
plans
and
I
others
understand
from
both
presidents
that
they,
let
me
know
that
the
residents
are
also
in
support
of
this
plan.
Q
Also
Clear
Lake
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
describe
what
number
three
is
at
the
same
time
on
your
agenda.
Number
three
is
to
authorize
an
emergency
designation
for
public
services
to
procure
the
services
of
stage
door,
two
for
the
design
permitting
construction
and
operation
of
a
temporary
pump
that
will
extract
water
from
Clearwater
lake
with
the
water
discharging
into
the
roadside,
ditch
north
of
lust
Road
West
of
the
429..
Q
The
St
John's
River,
Water,
Management
District,
would
need
to
authorize
this
emergency
pumping
and
the
key
elements
that
St
John's
has,
let
us
know
will
be
part
of
their
permit,
is
that
the
emergency
pumping
can
be
conducted
for
a
maximum
of
90
days.
Q
The
pump
to
reduce
the
elevation
of
the
lake,
the
the
surface
water
of
the
lake
would
be
reduced
by
no
more
than
two
feet.
They
still
need.
They
would
need
all
four
private
property
owners
around
the
lake
would
need
to
confirm
their
concurrence
with
the
proposed
pumping
plan.
Of
course,
two
of
the
homeowners
associations
have
said
their
they're
willing
to
sign
these
easements,
and
so
that
leaves
avian
point
that
we
need
to
acknowledge.
They
don't
disagree
with
the
lowering
of
the
lake
and
the
private.
Q
The
single
family
residents
on
the
east
side
of
the
lake
would
also
need
to
do
the
same,
and
this
also
this
second
plan.
The
emergency
pumping
for
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
also
approved
by
both
homeowners
association's
presidents
and
I
understand
their
residents
also
supported
it
at
their
emergency
meeting
on
Monday
night
and
I'm
here
for
questions.
Okay,.
N
We'll
kick
things
off
so
again:
the
associations
I've
received
feedback
from
the
association
presidents,
which
is
representative
of
the
boards.
How
does
this
work
out
just
make
sure
that
we're
all
the
t's
are
crossed
is
dotted
and
obviously
that
the
association
has
that
trickle
down
to
individual
homeowner
buy-in
or
does
that
needed
from
a
legal
perspective,
the
continuation
of
the
rate
of
charging
and
stuff
like
that
were
covered
there.
I
guess
that
would
be
a
question
for
Mr
Rodriguez.
N
D
N
On
on
this
agreement
that
we're
putting
forth
for
both
Landings
and
Estates,
that's
in
our
packet
now,
obviously
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
language
around
the
associations.
We've
got
an
agreement
buyer
in
there,
but
obviously
we
bill
People
based
off
of
their
individual
residents.
Is
that
factored
and
covered
within
this
agreement?
It
is
it.
R
It
basically
I
mean
the
agreement
is
really
in
order
to
provide
access
for
the
project
we
need,
and
you
know
the
access
is
going
to
be
through
the
associations.
After
such
that's
the
you
know,
our
our
infrastructure
is
already
there,
there's
really
nothing
changing,
so
those
prior
obligations
and
agreements
with
the
residents
remain.
What
is
changing
is
the
agreements
we
had
to
enter
into
the
association
to
provide
for
the
access,
as
well
as
the
water
that
is
part
of
this
new
system
is
on
Association
property.
R
It's
not
on
the
individual
Property
Owners,
so
it
really
doesn't
affect
the
current
relation
between
the
property
owners
and
the
city
in
regards
to
the
receipt
of
reclaimed.
N
Water,
in
terms
of
you
know,
there's
been
some
questions
around
liability
and
things
like
that.
So
an
example
might
be
a
kid
plan
that
drinks
the
water
out
of
these
pipes.
Does
our
indemnification
language
in
that
basically
cover
the
city
in
terms
of
liability,
as
it
relates
to
someone
drinking.
R
Water
out
of
the
irrigations
I
mean
it's
going
to
fall
again,
it's
it's
there's.
No,
the
the
the
potential
risk
and
liability
doesn't
change,
because
the
source
of
the
water
is
changing.
It's
still
part
of
our
system
and
the
liabilities
and
risk
remain
the
same
for
every
resident
of
the
city
of
Apopka
that
receives
reclaimed
water.
So
so.
R
The
agreement
provides
for
that
for
the
access
and
for
the
ability
to
to
do
that
connection.
It
does
not
go
on.
It
does
not
go
into
any
type
of
guarantee
of
water
quality
or
any
of
that
nature.
It
is
simply.
This
agreement
allows
for
there
to
be
access
in
the
connection
points
to
to
be
added
to
the
reclaimed
water
system.
That's
part
of
the
city-wide
yeah.
N
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is
we're
not
increasing
or
decreasing.
Our
liability
exposure
by
entering
into
those
are
correct,
okay
and
then
for
the
option:
three
I'm
going
to
commingle
thoughts
here,
so
the
option
three
piece
of
the
of
the
business
so
we're
the
right
parties,
cities,
St,
John's,
Water
Management
whomever-
has
determined
that
the
water
is
environmentally
safe
to
vacate
off
of
Clear
Lake.
For
that
purpose,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
from
an
environmental
standpoint,
we're
all
aligned
in
terms
of
not
again
introducing
additional
risk.
There.
Q
Yes,
sir,
the
water
is
very
it's
high
quality
water.
From
what
I
understand
we,
the
mayor,
I,
believe
some
some
water
quality
test
results
were
were
passed
out.
Q
It
oh
I
apologize,
so
the
so
yeah
the
the
water
is
appear
is
good
water.
So.
E
T
Foreign
Commissioners
mayor
Glenn,
Brooks
water
resource
manager.
To
answer
your
question,
commissioner:
Becker
the
samples
that
was
analyzed
from
Clear
Lake
it
it
does
meet
all
the
standards
that
go
to
public
access,
reuse,
inspect
the
standards
that
we're
looking
for
here
in
the
column
fecal.
As
you
see,
I
think
before
you
guys
got
this
4.1.
You
would
expect
to
see
some
of
that
because
you
have
no
chlorine
you're,
not
injecting
chlorine.
That
was
a
lake
sample
that
we
grabbed,
but
the
state
standards.
It
says
you
can't
have
one
sample
over
25
parts
per
million.
T
As
you
can
see,
that's
4.1
total
nitrogen.
If
you
look,
is
a
0.546
just
so
that
you
know
the
state
regulatory
requirement
for
us
to
send
out
the
public
access
reuse
coming
from
our
plant
is
a
tent.
It's
got
to
be
10
parts
per
million
or
less
so
it
certainly
Falls
within
that
category
in
phosphorus
is
a
number
that
they
just
are
looking
at:
there's
not
a
parameter
where
they
say
well,
there's
a
limit
and
and
as
you
can
see,
it's
actually
that,
u
means
undetected
0.15.
T
Total
yeah
total
suspended
solids
is
a
1.4
milligrams
per
liter
or
parts
per
million.
Again,
the
TSS
requirement
going
to
Public
Access
reuse
coming
from
our
reuse
plant
to
go
to
customers
cannot
exceed
five
parts
per
million
5.0
and
so
we're
certainly
within
that
standards
it
so
with
that
with
a
sample
that
we
grabbed
we're.
Certainly
within
all
the
parameters
to
go
out
to
Public
Access
right.
N
Then
the
we've
we've
talked
about
the
five-year
kind
of
reconvene
timeline
and
turn
sorry
I'm
good
on
that.
Okay,
in
terms
of
like
Force
Major.
If
a
sinkhole
were
to
happen
or
water
would
come
off
that
property
quicker
than
anticipated
within
that
five-year
period,
because
I
don't
think
the
the
parameters
around
if
we
have
to
re-hook
into
the
reclaimed.
R
To
my
understanding,
I
think
I
mean
they're
they're.
If
I
understand
correctly
this,
this,
the
two
communities
are
not
going
to
be
permanently
disconnected
from
the
overall
City
Connection.
So
if,
in
the
event
that
there's
an
emergency
or
some
need
arises,
I
mean
the
switches
can
be
made
to
put
them
back
on
the
system
to
then
repair
or
address
any
issues
relating
to
the
the
connection
to
the
news
source.
So
I
mean
the
the
overall
big
picture
is
what
this
agreement
does
is.
N
That's
that
leads
to
my
last
comment
and
I'll.
Stop
The
Kiss
by
case
nature
of
this
right,
so
I
get
I,
get
calls
from
residents
who
are
concerned
that
live
with
zero
interest
within
this
community,
whether
a
taxpayer
of
the
city
but
I.
Look
at
this
as
a
case-by-case
basis,
because
it's
a
situation,
that's
presenting
real
emergency
situations
for
a
lot
of
people
involved,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
Lake
Hammer.
N
It
was
that
was
a
case-by-case
basis
where
we
did
had
to
address
an
issue
with
water
levels
and
things
like
that,
and
so
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
city's
gonna
be
made
whole
on
this
and
I
do
think.
It's
a
reasonable
allocation
of
City
resources
to
address
this
issue
and
again
I
would.
D
D
N
R
Right
and
as
there
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
type
of
legal
basis
where
this
establishes
a
legal
precedent.
That
I
mean
you
as
a
city
council
are
not
bound
by
Starry
decisis.
That's
you
know
the
courts
are
ruling
on
precedent.
This
is
a
case
by
case
it's
similar
in
nature
to
when,
when
the
Planning
Commission
issues,
variances
variances
are
really
on
individual
case-by-case
basis,
and
they
do
not
establish
a
legal
precedent
that
this
council
is
bound
to
follow
in
the
future.
R
You're
really
taking
every
situation,
all
the
facts
on
an
individual
basis
and
then
applying
those
facts
to
this
situation
and
moving
forward
the
matters
and
issues
and
instances
can
change
from
from
case
to
case.
But
you
are
not
legally
bound
to
follow
a
prior
precedent.
You
really
are
going
and
making
your
decision
based
on
the
issues
and
facts
presented
for
you
at
that
time.
Okay,.
U
N
J
Well,
my
concern
was
that
at
the
last
meeting
there
was
total,
like
the
the
the
community,
was
totally
against
the
same
proposal
and
then
I
have
some
concerns
that
the
meeting
between
then
and
I
guess
Thursday
the
26th.
The
meeting
with
the
mayor
I,
don't
know
what
was
discussed,
but
it
was
the
same
proposal
presented
to
them
and
we
went
from.
We
were
either
going
to
do
the
the
200
000
for
the
emergency,
and
then
we
decided
Well,
it
was
discussed.
J
Remember
you
Richard
kind
of
saying
we
were
more
considering
the
600
000
package
because
it
was
an
emergency
situation,
so
I
don't
understand
how
we
now
are
doing
both
and
then
yesterday,
when
I
sat
with
the
agenda
review,
you
know
I
have
some
concerns
because
we
have
gotten
phone
calls
from
residents
who
are
basically
saying
that
we're
using
the
utility
reserves,
which
is
something
that
all
the
taxpayers
have
contributed
to
and
I
do
understand
the
emergency
that
we
need
to
address
it.
J
I
would
I
think
the
only
changes
that
that
they're
willing
to
pay
the
they're
willing
to
accept
the
monthly
billing
of
the
usage
of
the
ultimate
water,
because
initially
they
didn't
even
want
to
do
that
and
am
I
mistaken.
Just
kind
of
tell
me
how
the
building
is
working
now.
What's
changing,
what
are
we
doing
with
this
new
proposal?.
Q
Being
that
the
residents
would
continue
to
pay
at
the
the
City
established
reclaimed
water
utility
rates
based
on
their
metered
usage,
but
that
the
homeowners
association,
at
least
during
the
five
years
during
this
agreement,
the
homeowners
association
during
the
times
when
you
know
two
days
a
week
when,
when
the
water
management
districts,
allows
the
HOA
to
irrigate
they're
going
to
maximize
that
irrigation
with
the
idea
of
using
pumping
water
out
of
as
much
as
water
out
of
the
lake
as
they
can
and
putting
it
on
the
the
common
areas
to
hopefully
reduce
the
lake
even
more.
Q
E
J
P
J
J
I
mean
I
I
want
to
help
this
community,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
it
off
the
taxpayers.
Back
and
I,
just
I've,
Been,
Told,
privately
I've
been
called
and
I've
actually
been
told
it's
irresponsible
of
our
Council
to
go
ahead
with
this,
and
they
understand
those
who
have
called
me
understands
the
need.
They
understand
that
they
need
some
kind
of
intervention,
but
they
are
also
at
the
same
time
saying
that
we
need
to
be
good
stewards
correct
and
we
have
discussed
this
and
I
know.
J
J
J
On
the
meeting
that
you
have
with
the
mayor,
who
initiated
that
was
that
done
through
here
or
is
that
you,
the
HOAs,
coming
to
discuss
this
proposal
again?
That.
W
Was
the
city
coming
directly
to
us
because
of
our
request
at
that
last
meeting
that
we
had
requested
to
sit
down
at
some
point
and
discuss
everything
so
on
Thursday
morning,
I
believe
it
was
Richard
reached
out
directly
to
me
and
to
Jeff
the
president
with
Clear
Lake
Estates
and
requested
us
to
have
a
meeting
so
that
we
could
go
back
over
everything.
Make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
have
this
to
be
able
to
be
presented
by
today.
W
Correct
our
follow-up
meeting,
so
the
last
point
that
we
had
made
is
we
wanted
to
try
to
keep
this
meeting
from
turning
into
the
same
thing
that
the
last
city
council
meeting
made.
So
the
comment
that
I
made
actually
to
the
mayor
was
you've
done
your
portion
of
the
job.
Let
us
do
ours,
so
we
can
take
this
back
to
the
homeowners.
We
can
keep
these.
You
know
angry
discussions
out
of
council,
so
that
way
they
understand
everything.
J
W
Meeting
we
had
approximately
35
at
our
community,
which
is
actually
one
of
the
highest
turnouts
we've
ever
had
at
any
of
our
board
meetings.
It
was
posted
out
to
the
community
via
email,
as
well
as
a
community
Facebook
page
that
we've
got
and
we've
had
no
negative
comments
in
return
for
many
of
our
homeowners
as
far
as
Clear
Lake
Estates
I
want
to
say
they
had.
W
Was
it
14,
total
14
and
once
again,
a
fairly
High
turnout
for
something
on
that
shorter
notice
for
their
Community
as
well,
and
our
the
Pres
are
the
management
company
that
runs
both
of
those
did
send
that
notice
out
to
all
the
homeowners
so
that
they
could
participate.
If
there
were
any
questions,
concerns
and
I
will
say,
I
did
participate
as
well
in
the
the
questions
from
their
community
and
from
what
I
heard
they
they
were
on
the
same
page.
There
were
really
no
negative
comments
from
anybody.
J
So
I
will
tell
you
this
I
know
we
are.
We
are
all
committed
to.
We
want
to
help
Clear
Lake,
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landings,
but
I'm
really
on
the
fence
about
the
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
because
that
was
never
on
the
table
together
with
the
six
hundred
thousand,
and
we
have
to
answer
to
our
taxpayers
and
I
can
tell
you
that
they
are
listening
and
once
that
have
reached
out
to
me
are
saying
basically
that
we're
being
irresponsible
and
and
utilizing
the
utility
reserves
that
they
all
have.
J
An
investment
I
understand
that
after
five
years,
there's
a
payback
I'm
comfortable
with
the
payback
with
that
of
the
residents
but
I'm
on
the
fence
about
the
common
areas.
If
you
want
the
200
000
included,
then
I
feel
the
HOA.
Your
common
area
should
be
built
so
that
this
way
it
gives
us
the
assurance
that
over
the
five-year
period,
we
will
get
back
in
the
reserves
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
J
Do
you
understand
what
I'm
asking
because
I
I
have
to
be
responsible
to
the
other
taxpayers
who
aren't
literally
reaching
out
and
saying
they
understand
that
we
need
to
help
this
community,
even
though
it's
a
a
private
community
in
a
private
Lake?
But
they
understand
that
that's
something
we
need
to
do,
but
I
am
having.
J
So
is
there
some
way
to
negotiate
that
because
I
feel
like
we're
committed
to
help
you,
but
we
also
want
you
to
have
some
investment
in
this
in
this
proposal.
W
W
Correct
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
when
we
came
forward
and
said
you
know
this
is
what
we're
looking
for.
This
is
what
we're
expecting
from
the
HOA.
From
the
homeowner's
point
of
view,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
absolutely
taken
care
of
one
of
the
last
things
that
was
discussed
before
we
left
at
the
last
meeting
was
potentially
moving
forward
with
just
the
600
000,
but
charging
our
homeowners
half
rate,
which
would
completely
cut
that
five-year
period
back
down
to
a
minimum.
W
Obviously
we're
not
looking
to
just
have
handouts
handed
to
us
and
everything
be
taken
care
of,
but
we've
also
got
to
be
reasonable
in
the
fact
that
if
we
don't
have
any
way
of
using
additional
water
in
the
case
of
big
storms
coming
through
whatever
else
or
it's
going
to
cost
us
additional
to
be
able
to
use
that
whenever
we're
trying
to
do
everything,
we
can
to
get
that
water
out,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
proposed.
The
other
thing
that
was
initially
proposed
was
during
an
emergency
declaration.
W
If
we
had
a
hurricane
come
through
that
all
the
meters
would
be
ignored
during
that
time,
that
was
discussed,
that
that
would
basically
be
a
billing
nightmare
to
do
that
from
the
water
Department's
point
of
view.
So
that's
when
we
decided
that
homeowner
property,
since
it
was
you
know,
a
relatively
small
amount
in
this
I
mean
you
said
it
yourself,
sixty
thousand
dollars
over
five
years.
W
So
even
that's
not
going
to
cover
the
additional
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
just
because
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
five
years
does
not
mean
that
that
money,
quits
coming
in
from
the
homeowners
that
money
will
be
paid
back
in
the
long
run.
The
five-year
period
is
nothing
more
than
that's.
When
we're
going
to
sit
down
and
evaluate
things
and
we're
going
to
find
out
at
that
point,
are
the
homeowners
actually
utilizing
more
water?
Are
they
using
less
water?
Now?
W
So
the
five
years
gives
us
this
time
to
come
back
together
and
say:
okay,
here
we
are,
you
guys,
have
replenished
75,
80
percent
of
that
money
that
you've
spent
our
homeowners
are
continuing
to
use
the
same
amount.
The
the
lake
levels
are
back
down
to
normal.
Everything
can
return
to
normal,
or
we
can
stick
with
the
same
plan.
We're
at
it's
just
a
discussion
period
at
that
point,
but
I
feel
like
it
will
still
in
the
long
run
the
city
will
recoup
that
money.
No
question
asked.
J
Okay,
that's
I
just
want
to
share
what
I'm
I'm
kind
of
having
to
decipher
here,
because
I
literally
went
back
and
I
listened
to
the
council
meeting
that
we've
had
for
over
two
hours,
but
I
also
made
a
lot
of
notes
and
I.
J
Remember
when
you
left
here,
you
were
adamantly
opposed
to
this
proposal
correct,
and
so
that's
why
it
was
important
for
me
to
find
out
well
what
happened
between
then
and
now
and
now
the
same
proposal
is
coming
back,
but
in
addition
to
the
proposal
is
the
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
that's
where
I'm
on
the
fence
about
and
so
I
asked
Finance.
To
give
me
some
numbers,
and
so
you're
saying
it's
12
000
a
year
is
not
a
lot
but
when
you
add
a
five
years
of
sixty
thousand
dollars.
J
So
that
is
a
concern
for
me,
because
I
want
to
tell
my
taxpayers
the
ones
that
are
calling
me
no
in
five
years,
that
utility
reserves
will
be
replenished
and
that's
important,
because
you
know
your
one
development,
but
we
have
so
much
development
going
on.
Others
are
going
to
look
to
us
the
same
problem.
If
we
have
this
problem,
we're
going
to
go
to
the
city
and
so
that
that's
my
concern
so.
B
Please,
thank
you.
Let
me
first
say
I
I
think
it
was
very.
B
Appreciative
that
the
two
communities
were
willing
to
come
in
and
discuss,
as
was
previously
mentioned
in
Alaska
commissioner's
meeting,
was
a
lot
of
contentions
going
on
in
reference
to
this
particular
project
and
to
come
to
this
point
to
an
agreement.
I
think
it's
a
great
deal.
I
too
received
some
phone
calls
to
individuals
that
were
supposed
to
what
we're
about
to
do
today
and
as
well
as
some
individuals
that
were.
B
Of
what
we're
about
to
do
today,
and
so
in
the
process
between
Monday
and
today,
I
did
some
homework
of
my
own
to
to
make
sure
that
what
we
were
doing
today
and
as
far
as
my
proposal
is
concerned,
is
due
diligence
and
from
the
legal
aspect
was.
One
question
was
what
we're
doing
that's
going
to
settle.
Presidents
and
I've
been
assured
that
it
doesn't
so
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
take
the
same
action
for
every
case
that
come
before
us
it'll
be
a
case-by-case
issue.
B
The
other
thing
that
kind
of
brought
me
to
decisions
that
I'm
going
to
make
today
is
the
fact
that.
B
That
when
these
codes
were
put
into
place
as
far
as
drainage
and
water
over
a
period
of
time,
those
codes
are
no
longer
really
valid
today
because
of
the
excessive
amount
of
rainfall
they're
receiving.
Now,
some
of
the
drainage
pipes
are
not
large
enough
and
so
some
things
that
we're
going
to
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
so
as
a
result
of
that
I'm
making
some
recommendations
for
the
Land
Development
code
to
address
that
issue
as
well,
and
so
after
doing
all
of
my
due
diligence,
I'm
fine.
K
This
is
just
a
staff
question
in
reference
to.
We
need
to
have
all
four
landowners
agree
to
this.
Do
we
have
I
guess
who
runs
with
that?
Who
runs
points
on
getting
those
agreements
signatures
things
like
that?
We've.
E
K
Q
K
K
R
It's
the
the
actual
LLC.
Usually
these
are
when
properties
are
developed.
These
are
basically
you
know
single
Source,
one
issue
LLCs
that
are
just
created
for
this.
According
to
the
property
appraisers,
they
still
have
title.
The
agreements
were
written
so
that
that
entity
is
the
legal
authority
to
sign
for
it.
R
So
and
then
my
understanding
is
at
the
the
board
of
directors
of
the
association
is,
is
still
developer
controlled,
but
there
is
an
HOA.
It
is
a
Incorporated,
not
Florida,
not-for-profit,
so
that
it
is
a
legal
entity
and
it
does
have
a
board
that
can
can
enter
into
agreements
and
sign
for
it.
So
both
of
those
there
is
there
are
legal
entities
that
we
can
negotiate
with
and
can
enter
into
an
agreements
and
have
the
authority
to
do
so.
So.
K
R
No
I
provide
I,
provided
the
the
agreement
is
the
X
the
in
order
to
execute
it
is
the
LLC
in
care
of
the
HOA
I,
provided
our
public
works
department
there,
the
contact
the
address
the
folks
to
to
have
the
correct
signatory.
So
that
was
done
and
that's
at
this
point.
K
Okay
and
then,
similarly
to
to
commensurable
asquez
I
mean
we've
all
gotten
similar
calls
and
and
just
to
understand,
because
again
we
weren't
in
the
room
on
Thursday
the
the
Nexus
or
the
reasoning
behind
not
charging
the
HOAs.
The
community
areas
is
just
so
they
can
pump
as
much
as
possible
in
that
day
and
not
be
not
paid
an
insane
bill.
That's
the
goal
right
or
that's
the
reasoning
behind
that.
E
Well,
we
were
when
we
were
talking
with
Blanche,
because
we
were
talking
about
giving
them
everybody
free
water,
leading
up
to
a
storm,
but
it
would
have
been
a
nightmare
for
our
our
accounting
department
and
our
you
know
our
our
water
folks,
so
it
it
didn't,
make
sense
to
do
that
yeah.
So
that's!
This
was
an
easier
way
of
giving
them
some
relief,
but
not
not
making
it
a
a
financial
accounting
nightmare.
K
Sure
is
there
a
way
and
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
would
be
agreeable
to
this
is
if
and
to
not
disincentivize
you
guys
from
pumping
out
if
we
can
take
your
last
year
or
two
years
average
that
bill
out
and
that's
what
your
bill
is
for
the
next
five
or
six
years,
so
it
maxes
out.
So
you
I
I,
don't
know
the
numbers,
so
you
pump
out
a
hundred
thousand
a
year
or
something
that's
what
we
bill.
K
You
monthly,
no
matter
how
much
you
are
up
to
that
amount,
more
so
to
Max
that
out,
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
a
reasonable
request,
but
I
think
it
balances
out
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
doing
we're
being
smart
with
these
funds.
I
guess,
but
also
allowing
you
guys
to
pump
as
much
as
you
need
to
without
it
being
a
disadvantage
for
you
guys
doing
that.
K
W
I
mean
honestly,
it
makes
sense,
but
at
the
same
standpoint
we're
already
looking
at
you
know
the
city's
going
to
recoup
that
money
after
the
five-year
period
with
the
additional
water
with
the
money
that's
coming
in
from
the
homeowners
and
everything
else.
So
at
that
point,
if
that's
the
case,
we're
going
to
have
to
renegotiate
that
that
look
again
to
a
lower
time
frame
because
you're
talking
about
it's
going
to
be
basically
sixty
thousand
dollars
additional,
that's
going
to
come
in
on
top
of
the
additional
water
that
is
going
out
to
other
communities.
J
Q
E
N
Figure
that
we're
talking
about
today
and
you
know,
from
a
volume
perspective.
I
can't
speak
for
the
other
Commissioners
I've
received
one
one
conversation
with
one
gentleman
opposed
to
this
I
greatly
respect
his
point
of
view.
We
just
are
incongruent
on
this
on
this
topic,
yeah
case
in
point,
and
you
know,
Mr
Wilkerson
did
a
great
job,
we're
going
to
have
Surplus
that
we
can
monetize.
That
goes
back
to
filling
back
in
the
expense
that
we're
doing
up
front
were
going
to
be
made
whole,
and
you
know
we're.
W
So
you
know
our
residents
are
going
to
continue
to
pay
that
money
towards
this
system,
but
the
city
is
also
going
to
be
making
the
money
on
the
other
side
from
the
water
that
is
not
coming
to
us.
So
it's
not
that
this
is
just
a
cut
and
dry
whatever
we're
paying.
That's.
What's
going
to
replenish
this
there's
other
avenues
of
income
from
this,
also
that
the
city
is
now
gaining
that
additional
water
as
well.
So
you.
E
Okay,
all
right
anybody
else
from
public
Force
to
speak
on
this
matter
Okay.
So
we've
got
two
two
two
items
here:
one
is
the
motion
to
authorize
an
emergency
designation
for
public
services
to
procure
the
services
of
Ballinger
irrigation
for
the
design,
permitting
construction
and
one
year
of
pipeline.
Excuse
me
of
routine
maintenance
of
the
alternative
water
supply,
irrigation
pump
stations
for
Clear,
Lake,
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landing.
N
O
E
Opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up.
We
have
item
number
three.
Anybody
want
to
speak
to
this
item.
Anybody
from
the
public,
anybody
and
I
just
want
to
speak
to
this
one,
not
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
an
emergency
designation
for
public
services
to
procure
the
services
of
stage
door,
two
to
implement
a
temporary
pumping
operation
intended
to
reduce
high
Lake
water
levels
in
Clearwater
Lake.
E
O
O
J
E
E
J
Okay,
Jim,
okay,
you,
you
know
sometimes
I,
don't
care
what
the
votes
are.
I
said
four
to
one
yeah,
but
I
didn't
hear
who
the
descending
vote
was
yeah.
J
X
Ordinance
number
2985
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
settlement
of
the
Apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka,
changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
County,
Rural
and
City
very,
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential
to
City
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
hogshead
Road
and
West
of
hermit
Smith
Road
owned
by
Raynor
Apopka
Land,
Management,
LLC
and
soil
blending.
Properties
LLC,
comprising
20.15,
Acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date
do.
E
D
D
E
H
Dennis
new
105,
West
Magnolia
first
off
I,
want
to
tell
you
that
rain
or
shine
one
of
the
companies
is
doing.
This
is
a
great
company
and
it's
going
to
be
bringing
jobs
to
the
area
and
that's
all
a
welcome
thing,
but
I
want
to
ask
if
consideration
has
been
given
to
the
fact
that
both
of
the
roads
can
you
go
back
to
this.
V
H
Of
the
roads
that
lead
into
this
area,
where
there's
already
a
lot
of
commercial
congestion,
you've
got
Amazon
out
there,
you
got
Goya,
you
got
several
organizations,
well,
I,
think
what
everybody's
forgot
about
and
they've
forgotten
about
it,
because
it's
not
in
the
city,
so
we
don't
pay
attention
to
what's
going
on
in
the
county.
Is
it
441
and
hermit
Smith
there's
a
residential
area?
Yes,
it's
not
annexed
into
the
city,
but
there's
families
that
live
there,
mostly
impoverished
families
and
their
kids
play
in
the
street.
H
Those
roads
are
already
overburdened,
so
I'm
not
against
the
proposal
really
I'm,
simply
asking.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
improve
the
road
work,
all
right
or
we're
going
to
end
up
in
the
same
area
as
Golden
Gym?
Every
time
something
comes
up
on
Golden
Gym
people
on
this
committee
shrug
their
shoulders
and
say:
oh,
it's
a
County
Road.
H
Well,
that's
bull
and
this
one
out
here
on
Herman
Smith
to
the
people
at
the
end
of
hermit
Smith,
even
know,
because
we're
they're
going
to
approve
this
we're
going
to
put
semis
past
their
house
all
day
long
where
their
kids
are
running
around
and
trying
to
play.
They've
already
got
a
lot
of
congestion
out
there
both
ends
of
that
intersection,
because
it's
a
90
degree
turn
with
two
dead
ends.
Both
ends
are
heavily
traveled
by
all
the
commercial
vehicles
going
in
and
out
of
Goya
Amazon
minute
made
all
the
other
plants
back
there.
E
E
X
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
County
A1
Citrus
Rural
and
citrus
rsf
1A
residential
single-family
1A
to
City
IL,
light
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
Fox
Head
Road
and
West
of
hermit
Smith
Road
owned
by
Raynor
Apopka,
Land,
Management,
LLC
and
soil
blending's
property
LLC,
comprising
20.15,
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
E
J
X
Ordinance
number
2989
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
city
of
Apopka,
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
residential
low
to
residential
high
for
certain
real
properties
generally
located
north
of
Old
Dixie
Highway
and
East
of
shopky
Lester
Road
owned
by
husam
Family
Trust,
comprising
of
10.42
Acres
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
conflicts
in
an
effective
date.
V
U
U
First
of
all,
my
husband
and
I
moved
here
and
we
picked
our
house
pretty
much
solely
for
our
backyard
and
so
I'm
really
concerned
about
this.
Now
being
in
my
backyard,
our
house
is
like
all
windows
in
the
back,
so
I've
had
experience
firsthand
with
a
Peeping
Tom
and
I
have
a
baby.
So,
like
my
big
concern,
is
someone
looking
in
my
house
at
my
child
and
all
of
the
other
children
on
our
street
I'm,
also
concerned,
because
it's
going
to
lower
our
property
value
like
I
said
it
when
we
bought.
U
U
Also,
my
house
is
the
house
that
lines
up
right
behind
where
they
want
to
put
the
retention
pond.
So
that's
also
a
big
concern
for
me
because
I'm
thinking
about
mosquitoes
and
my
son,
so
my
concern
is
what
would
they
do
about
this
retention?
Pond
and
I
mean
I
have
a
suggestion
if
God
forbid,
this
actually
happens,
maybe
putting
a
fountain
there,
so
that
would
help
alleviate
some
of
the
mosquito
dilemma
that
we
would
have
29.80.
U
E
F
Okay,
I'm
Steve,
laroe
I
live
in
Villa
Capri
I'm,
president
of
the
homeowners
association
there,
and
we're
we're
also
backed
up
to
that
property.
Our
homes
are
single,
you
know
single
homes
with
one
story,
and
our
concern
is
all
the
same,
very
similar
concerns
concerned
about
a
three-story
building.
It's
going
to
be
our
our
view,
the
lights,
all
the
noise,
all
the
other
things
that
have
already
been
mentioned
so
just
want
to
express
the
concern
of
our
our
community.
Okay,.
V
Yes,
sir
yeah,
my
understanding
is
that
they're
they're
looking
to
re
reconfigure
the
building
and
increase
the
setbacks
a
little
bit
so.
Y
T
V
The
Eastern
side,
it's
the
proposed
setback-
is
100
feet
on
the
Northern
side
for
just
the
the
the
primary
building.
It's
it's
also
100
feet
on
the
western
side.
It's
also
100
over
100
feet
to
the
setback.
Right
now
has
proposed.
H
Dennis
new
105
West
Magnolia
I
was
going
to
ask
if
consideration
had
been
given
to
the
people
from
Maryland
States,
but
you've
heard
from
a
couple
of
them
here
today
and
I
think
their
voice
into
concerns
of
a
lot
of
their
neighbors
one
again
we're
going
to
put
this
facility
on
a
two-lane,
heavily
traveled
road
that
needs
Improvement,
I,
know
what's
going
to
be
said
there.
Well,
it's
a
state
road
and
shrug
our
shoulders
and
go
on
with
it.
More
importantly,
our
lack
of
planning
the
police
department
is
understaffed.
H
The
fire
department
is
understaffed
and
for
a
residential
facility
like
this
rescues,
become
complicated.
If
they
have
a
fire
in
the
structure,
you
can
say
you
have
a
protect
in
place
practice
to
protect
the
residents
in
place
where
you
combat
a
fire,
but
eventually
that's
going
to
fail
and
you're
going
to
have
to
evacuate
people
it's
time
consuming,
it's
Staffing
consuming
and
it's
equipment
consuming.
We
have
one
aerial
truck,
whether
it's
properly
staffed
or
not.
I,
don't
know,
but
these
are
things
that
go
back
into
planning.
We
have
all
these
growth
ideas.
S
M
Albert
McKamey
3603
golden
gem,
Road
it'll,
appear
recently
that
there's
been
a
proliferation
of
multi-story
buildings.
This
I
believe
is
a
three-story
building.
There's
been
a
number
of
these
three-story
buildings
proposed
lately.
I
didn't
hear
any
comment
on
this.
Whether
this
particular
building
had
a
55
plus
year
Community
age
group.
Was
there
any
further
information
that
you
can
give
us
on
the
proposed
use
of
this
building.
M
Okay,
the
comment
that
I'm
going
to
make
is
the
same
as
Dennis.
Do
you
admit
you
know
we're
we're
not
really
in
a
position
where
these
developers
are
coming
along,
they're
telling
us
one
thing,
and
then
three
months
later
or
the
next
meeting,
they're
going
to
tell
us
it's
for
a
different
use.
I
would
like
to
just
to
be
upfront
and
tell
us
exactly
what
they're
going
to
be
doing
with
the
building
before
they
start
it
and
not
have
beaten,
switch
tactics.
Every
other
meeting.
Thank
you,
foreign.
G
X
I
I
The
Planning
and
Zoning
division
this
is
a
request
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2992
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
is
requesting
a
change
of
zoning
from
T
transitional
and
m-u-e-s-g-t
mixed-used
Esure
Gateway
zoning
districts
to
PD
plan
development,
as
well
as
the
master
plan
and
major
development
plan.
Subject.
Properties
are
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
papka
Road
and
Keene
Road.
I
I
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
rezoning
of
the
property
to
PD
instead
of
a
conventional
zoning
District
to
allow
protection
of
natural
environmental
features
of
the
property,
including
Wetlands,
floodplain
conservation
and
other
areas
that
conventional
zoning
District
development
criteria
on
the
property
would
make
more
difficult
to
achieve.
The
applicant
has
worked
with
staff
to
design
the
site
to
locate
each
type
of
use
pragmatically
and
ensure
its
compatibility
with
existing
adjacent
uses.
I
The
master
plan
and
major
development
plan
proposed
the
development
of
a
commercial
multi-tenant
center
with
three
out
Parcels,
anchored
by
a
grocery
store,
as
well
as
an
age-restricted
multi-family
complex.
The
proposed
permitted
users
include
those
listed
under
Muse
GT.
Zoning
sub-district,
as
well
as
under
exhibit
B
of
the
PD
agreement.
I
The
major
development
plan
includes
the
development
of
the
first
phase,
also
depicted
as
the
as
parcel
5
of
the
PD
master
plan
and
includes
the
grocery
store
used
with
the
building
area
of
48
387
square
feet.
Pd
will
be
developed
in
multiple
phases,
with
sufficient
infrastructure
for
each
phase
to
stand
alone.
The
mdp
also
illustrates
3.78
Acres
of
open
space
and
amenity
for
parcel
5.
The
grocery
store
portion,
while
3.17
acres
is
required.
The
amenity
amenity,
open
space
program
for
this
phase
includes
an
amenodized
storm
water
area.
I
I
Drc
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
January
10
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
change
of
zoning
master
plan
and
major
development
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2992
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions
I.
J
R
S
N
Yeah
well
before
that
I
mean
the
so
as
a
result
of
that
meeting.
Obviously,
I've
received
Maybe
in
addition
to
the
meeting
I
had
with
the
applicant
in
representation
I.
N
Yeah
so
I
I
mean
all
of
them
were
in
favor
of
progressing
with
this
development.
Obviously
one
of
them
was
very
keen
on
the
idea
of
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
KOA
popular
Road.
You
know,
obviously,
the
my
my
main
focus
is
not
necessarily
the
expand
its
safety
first
right,
because
that
that
road
is
very
dangerous
from
Keene
North
on
a
coyapaka.
N
I
understand
from
the
applicant
is
both
akoyapopca
and
Keen
are
going
to
have
roadway
improvements.
The
forelaning
of
akoyapopca
is
impacted
by
stormwater
runoff,
so
that
has
to
be
solve
for
before.
You
can
expand
capacity
from
my
understanding,
but
the
signalization
of
keen
the
improvements
on
a
KOA
pocket
and
that
s-curve
and
Keen
are
going
to
be
done
as
this
development
is
constructed.
L
Gene
laid
it
out
pretty
well,
we
are
four
laning
akoya
pop
Road
from
just
south
of
Keene
to
Austin,
Bay,
Boulevard
and
then
the
northern
peace.
But
we're
not
talking
about
that
one
right
now.
The
four
laning
and
the
signal
are
under
design.
We
are
encountering
some
issues
with
storm
water
and
right
now
we're
being
held
up
by
review
at
Orange
County,
so
we're
moving
as
fast
as
we
can
it.
It
will
be
four
lane.
The
safety
improvements
they're
putting
in
place
until
we
can
get
the
four
laning
done
will
be
sufficient.
D
N
Of
indicate
that
we
weren't
mapping
towards
that
it
was
my
understanding
from
the
applicant
that
the
improvements
that
were
going
to
come
as
part
of
this
project
they
were
going
to
do
the
roadway
improvements.
The
turn-ins
center
lane
were
applicable
as
part
of
this
construction.
There
were
some
obstacles
to
getting
the
four
four
laning
done,
north
of
Keene
northward,
but
I'm.
L
Not
they're
not
unresolvable,
it's
just
that
I
in
a
perfect
world,
everything
would
be
synced
up
and
we've
been
working
on
this
for
well
over
two
years.
It's
just
acquisition
of
some
right-of-way
design
and
the
storm
water
is
an
issue,
but
I
think
we
found
a
solution,
but
if
we
can
get
the
signal
in
and
the
turn
Lanes
at
the
intersection
and
turn
Lanes
into
the
site
it
will,
it
will
create
a
huge
noticeable
difference
to
everyone
who
drives
out
there.
L
I'll
be
tell
you
that
the
traffic
volumes
right
now
I
know
that
we
all
want
the
road
widen
the
traffic
volumes.
Don't
say
that
that
road
needs
to
be
widened
right
now.
So
if
we
put
these
safety
improvements
by
the
time
everything's
developed
out
there
we'll
have
the
road
widened
and
I
think
that
will
be
in
good
shape.
Yeah.
N
Again,
I
I,
don't
know
if
it's
just
me
reading
into
the
tone,
but
I'm
not
pointing
fingers
here.
I
I'm
I'm
agreeing
with
the
fact
that
ultimately,
we'll
have
Road
capacity
here
in
the
very
short
term.
As
this
is
getting
developed,
we
should
mitigate
the
concerns
that
residents
might
have
for
this
development
by
saying
the
road
is
going
to
be
improved,
maybe
not
expanded,
but
approved
because
either
way
you
slice
it.
If
you
four
lane
it
it's
going
to
be
in
in
agreement
with
the
roadway
by
Emerson
Park.
N
If
it's
not
and
you
do
the
roadway
improvements
as
the
applicant
has
described,
it's
going
to
be
in
accordance
with
the
roadway
south
of
there,
with
all
of
the
new
industrial
and
stuff
that
hasn't
been
improved
closer
to
the
429.,
so
I'm,
not
I'm,
actually
giving
praise
versus
questioning
I'm
just
wanted
for
the
public
to
know
that
this
is
going
to
happen
in
the
same
time
as
this
development
and
that's
I'm,
getting
a
whole
bunch
of
head
nods
from
the
applicants
behind
you.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
but
thank
you.
A
And
good
afternoon,
mayor
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jonathan
Hughes
I'm,
the
attorney
component
of
our
project
team,
along
with
me
here
today
we
have
other
members
of
our
project
team.
That's
been
hard
at
work,
including
Jordan,
Draper,
who's,
our
civil
engineer
from
Kimberly
horn,
and
we
have
several
members
of
the
ownership
team
who
will
be
developing
the
property
from
wmg,
including
Davey,
Brown,
Leah,
Fitzpatrick,
Jamie,
Bennett
and
Duran
de
Marvin,
and
we've
been
working
with
staff
on
this
one
for
quite
some
time.
Commissioner
Becker
just
to
cut
to
the
chase.
A
I
won't
do
my
full
presentation
but
get
right
to
your
points.
Your
concerns
and
the
concerns
that
you
that
have
been
expressed
from
the
community
are
the
same
as
the
owner
and
developer.
They
want
to
have
a
successful
project
here
and
in
order
to
do
that,
there
has
to
be
safe
access
in
and
out
and
safe
travel
to
the
project.
A
This
one
just
really
talked
about
the
economic
and
infrastructure
benefits
of
the
project
overall,
but
I'll
cut
to
the
the
last
bullet
point
maybe
come
back
to
the
rest
and
and
that's
the
road
infrastructure
as
part
of
this
project,
this
owner
will
be
donating
a
30-foot,
wide
swath
of
property
along
a
coyapaka
road
that
is
integral
and
needed
for
the
Future
4
laning,
when
that
donation
is
added
to
the
donation
that
is
taking
place
across
the
street.
A
On
the
on
the
west
side
of
Ocoee
Apopka,
the
right-of-way
turns
from
being
a
60-foot
segment
to
120
foot
segment.
The
city
will
have
or
gain
control
of
those
additional
Road
segments
without
having
to
come
out
of
pocket
whatsoever
without
having
to
threaten
or
engage
in
any
sort
of
eminent
domain.
Proceeding,
that
is
in
the
coffers.
A
In
addition,
before
the
this
Center
opens,
this
developer
will
install
design
and
install
a
signal
which
will
not
be
a
temporary
signal,
but
it'll
be
the
permanent
condition.
Mast
arm
signal
that
will
accommodate
the
four
laning
when
it,
in
fact
that
does
become
a
reality.
In
addition,
along
with
that,
signalization
will
be
improvements
made
to
the
intersection
in
the
form
of
turn
Lanes
both
on
the
king,
Keen,
Road
approach,
left,
southbound
and
Northbound
turn
Lanes,
as
well
as
on
the
Ocoee
Apopka
Road.
There
will
be
a
southbound
turn
lane
on
Keene
Road.
A
In
addition,
as
part
of
this
project,
both
Road
frontages,
both
on
Keene,
Road
and
Ocoee,
Apopka
Road
are
going
to
be
effectively
redesigned
reformatted
to
accommodate
safe
access
to
this
project,
and
what
that
really
means
is
the
current
condition
on
both
those
roads
along
the
frontage
of
this
property
is
a
two-lane
segment
about
22
feet
in
width.
I
have
a
illustration
that
examples
this.
A
So
the
the
top
illustration
is
existing
condition
on
a
koe
Apopka
Road,
it's
a
60-foot
right-of-way,
as
you
know,
commissioner,
and
other
members
of
the
commission,
it's
tight
along
the
frontage
today
there
is
a
curve
there.
What
happens
in
the
after
effect
is
what
we
believe
is
is
a
vastly
improved
interim
condition
in
the
form
of
that
width
now
adjusts
from
33
to
44
feet
in
width
road.
A
A
We
believe
will
be
a
much
safer
condition
than
what's
out
there
today,
and
that
is
just
every
every
access
into
the
project
and
there's
three
on
a
coyapaka
and
there's
three
off
of
Keene
Road
we'll
have
both
turn
Lanes
from
both
approaches,
and
so
what
it's
going
to
look
and
function
vastly
different
in
this
interim
condition
from
what
it
is
today
and
we
believe
it's
going
to
result
in
a
safer
condition,
as
Pam
did
mention.
A
The
traffic
study
does
show
that
you
know
the
the
at
least
the
volume
of
traffic
today
in
the
standards
that,
by
which
the
city
has
to
apply
to
review
of
those
traffic
studies
that
the
the
road
is
functioning
at
an
acceptable
level
of
service
today,
and
it
will
continue
to
do
so
and
after
that's
not
good
enough
for
us.
We
want
to
improve
and
need
this
road
section
to
improve
for
our
project
to
be
ultimately
successful.
N
N
The
on
the
left
hand
side
north
of
where
so
north
of
where
you
had
the
dark,
shaded
boxes
right.
You
can
see
where
the
four
laning
roads
occur
right
because
you
see
the
properties,
don't
go
all
the
way
to
the
center,
like
they
do
on
your
property.
For
us
to
be
able
to
four
lane
it
like
those
roads
up
by
Emerson,
Park
North.
We
have
to
get
that
right-of-way
dedication.
N
N
D
N
A
That's
correct
in
between
the
donation
being
given
by
this
property
in
in
that's
shaded
in
the
property
across
the
street.
That's
already
come
through
for
development
review
and
approval.
The
right
of
way
is
with
matches
and
I
will
tell
you
at
least
from
this
project
that
donation
is
not
insignificant.
It
equals
up
to
about
a
half
acre,
half
acre
of
property,
Prime
real
estate,
it's
Frontage
and
that's
being
donated.
So
it
is
a.
We
think.
It's
a
win-win,
but
certainly
a
benefit
to
the
city.
Yeah.
H
Well,
it's
a
good
presentation
by
the
developer
and
they
have
a
plan
to
help
with
roadways
and
everything
else.
But
still
the
city
has
an
understaffed
police
department
and
fire
department,
more
importantly,
and
they
got
the
right
slide
up
there,
all
of
the
design
and
Engineering
that
went
into
Clear,
Lake,
Estates
and
Clear
Lake
Landing
and
avian
point
and
the
central
Florida
Expressway
when
they
blocked
the
water
flow
to
Lake
Apopka.
All
of
those
things
led
to
a
landlocked,
Lake,
flooding
and
endangering
residents.
H
This
development,
here
all
of
the
water
from
the
paved
roadways
and
parking
lots
and
all
of
the
rooftops
and
everywhere
has
got
to
go
somewhere
and
they
have
designed
Retention
Ponds,
just
like
all
the
people
at
Clear
Lake
did
but
there's
a
landlocked
Lake
just
to
the
left
of
there.
Now
they
have
a
to
the
north
of
it
above
the
red
lines.
There's
a
landlocked
Lake.
H
They
have
a
retention
pond
on
that
other
development,
but
with
another
landlocked
Lake
there
where's
the
water
going
to
go
sure
they
have
dry
ponds
and
they
have
wet
ponds
and
they
have
a
plan.
But
what's
the
plan
going
to
do
to
that
landlocked
Lake
where's
the
city
going
to
stand,
then
if
the
engineering
is
not
looking
into
where
the
water
is
going
to
go
when
their
Retention
Ponds
are
full
we're
going
to
have
another
problem.
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
Jennifer
hay
I'm
from
Emerson
Park
I'm.
Here
on
behalf
of
my
husband
and
myself,
my
husband
is
an
Orange
County
principal.
He
was
the
principal
at
Rock
Springs
Elementary,
and
brought
that
school
from
a
c
to
an
A
in
one
year.
He
since
moved
on
to
other
schools
in
the
district
and
is
continuing
that
success.
I
know
many
of
you
received
emails
this
week
pertaining
to
the
new
shops
at
East,
Shore
development.
You
can
thank
me
for
that.
I
put
a
a
quest
out
there.
AA
So,
like
many
of
my
fellow
neighbors,
we've
got
a
couple
here.
We
are
in
favor
of
this
development
and
Emerson
Park
began.
We
are
right
here
off
Austin
Bay,
directly
north
of
this
development,
so
we
began
back
in
2007
and
our
neighborhood
stretches
from
okoyapopca
all
the
way
to
Martin
Road,
where
500
homes
strong.
AA
We
are
conveniently
nestled
between
the
414
and
the
429
exits.
Yet,
at
either
location
we
are
surrounded
by
Homes
apartments
and
warehouses,
and
instead
of
getting
off
these
exits,
where
we
would
to
go
home,
we
go
to
West,
Road
and
Oakley,
because
that's
the
closest
place
to
shop.
That's
where
we
get
our
Mexican
food,
our
pizza,
our
Starbucks,
all
our
groceries.
We
as
a
community
like
I'm,
going
to
quote
Kyle
Becker.
AA
He
said
that
there's
approximately
three
people
per
home-
that's
1500
people
in
our
development
that
are
not
spending
money
in
Apopka,
because
when
we
get
off
the
414
and
Martin
Road,
there's
absolutely
nothing
there
for
us
either.
It
is
just
nothing
and
we've
been
sitting
out
there
since
2007,
and
we
really
really
really
want
this
development
to
happen.
Our
community
needs
some
help,
we're
continuing
to
see
growth
of
a
new
apartments
coming
in
both
right
next
to
429
and
across
from
429
sort
of
caddy
corner
to
us.
AA
E
Thank
you
all
right.
Anybody
else,
bubbly,
okay,
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance,
2992
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption
on
March
1st.
So.
B
T
Y
Y
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
this
item
is
not
exciting.
As
the
previous
one.
It
was
a
long
read
for
Susan,
but
we're
bringing
to
you
the
request
to
accept
the
second
reading
of
ordinance
number
2993.
Y
E
E
E
All
right
super!
Thank
you.
Anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
2993..
Some
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Velazquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
nestas,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2996,
Mike.
R
E
M
It's
not
so
much
about
the
Albert
bikini
36036
golden
gem
or
Apopka.
It's
not
so
much
about
the
ordinance
for
trespass
it's
about
what
I
believe
is
the
misrepresentation
of
facts
that
the
City
attorney
continues
to
give
us
at
the
last
meeting.
I
believe
Michael
Rodriguez
said
that,
in
order
to
record
in
the
city
property,
there
had
to
be
a
dual
consent.
M
There
is
no
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
right
for
for
the
city
under
Mr
Rodriguez
is,
is
articulate
interpretation
of
the
law
that
you
can
record
me
tonight.
I
haven't
given
consent.
If
you
check
back
the
minutes,
his
exact
words
were,
you
need
a
dual
consent
in
the
city
of
Florida
record.
R
Walking
into
and
participating
in
a
public
hearing,
you're
giving
you're,
basically
inferring
consent
to
be
you're,
aware
that
the
meetings
are
taped
and
videotaped
and
your
participation
constitutes
consent
forcing
on
to
someone
to
be
videotaped
while
they're
work,
the
courts,
the
federal
courts
have
deemed
that
that
interferes
with
the
productive
work
of
government
and
local
governments
can
regulate.
It
becomes
a
time
place
and
manner
restriction.
R
M
I
accept
that
the
the
what
we're
saying
today
isn't
with
respect
to
trespass,
but
it's
still
the
fact
that
you
give
me
information
at
the
last
meeting
that
I
disagree
with
and
I'm
here
to
challenge
you
on
that.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
Constitution
affords
me
the
right
to
record
any
interaction
with
a
public
member.
M
My
contention
is
I,
don't
have
the
benefit
of
a
stenographer,
so
in
dealing
with
you
or
dealing
with
Jim
here
or
dealing
with
the
mayor.
Well,
proof
of
I've
got
that
you've
been
inaccurate
or
that
you're
lying
to
me
I
mean.
But
you
respect
you
twist
the
words
quite
a
lot.
It's
not
that
long
ago
that
Nick
Nestor
asked
you
about
I,
think
a
meeting
that
was
had
and
was
there
any
informational
you
denied
it.
N
N
R
B
E
X
E
B
X
P
You
before
you
have
resolution
2020
303
FY,
2223
budget,
amendment
number,
nine.
This
item
includes
the
items
that
were
presented
to
you
today
for
600
000,
coming
out
of
utility
operating
reserves
for
the
pump
for
Clear
Lake
Estates
in
Clear,
Lake
Landings
and
another
200
000
coming
out
of
utility
operating
fund
reserves
for
the
Emergency
temporary
pump
for
Clear
Lake
and
Clear
Lake
Landings.
In
addition,
we
have
the
800
000
that
was
on
the
consent
agenda
for
the
cdb
block,
grant
phase
two
for
the
CRA
sidewalk
project,
totaling
1.6
million
dollars.
B
J
P
B
E
E
N
We
start
that
and
I
had
this
conversation
with
staff
on
Monday.
You
know
back
in
2016,
I
think
Mr,
belasquez
and
I
would
have
been
the
only
people
on
council
at
the
time,
but
there
was
a
resolution
or
policy
path
around
the
public
comment
period,
because
that,
prior
to
that
meeting,
public
comment
was
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
public
comment
period
was
four
minutes.
There
was
a
suggested
change
to
put
it
towards
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
reduce
the
public
comment
period
of
three
minutes.
R
I
can
only
and
answers
to
the
violation
of
the
policy,
the
resolution,
the
wording
of
the
resolution
does
not
the
resolution
itself
does
not
set
in
stone
when
the
items
or
what
items
are
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
when
they
appear
on
the
agenda.
The
wording
of
the
resolution
simply
states
that
public
comment
follows
presentations.
R
Interpreting
that
comes
down
to
follow
the
resolution
does
not
say
immediately
following
presentations.
It's
just
that
it's
any
time!
It's
it's
following
presentation,
so
it's
inferred
that
it
means
it's
after
presentations
with
that,
and
then
it
has
the
caveat
or
upon
a
decision
of
the
city.
Council.
I
would
interpret
that
to
mean
that
if
the
city
council
wishes
to
change
that
it's
it's
present
its
location
on
the
agenda
in
relation
to
presentations.
R
That
would
need
to
require
a
full
decision
by
the
council,
but
because
the
term
is
just
it's
following
presentation,
so
the
the
interpretation
and
the
rendering
of
that
is
as
long
as
public
comment
comes
after
presentations.
That
is
what
the
wording
of
the
resolution.
E
I'll
be
happy,
he'll,
be
the
one
who
came
back.
It's
staff
driven
I
mean
we.
We
stayed
here
till
115.
staff
had
to
wait
and
wait
and
wait
and
wait
and
they've
got
families.
They've
got
you
know.
They've
got
to
get
up
the
next
morning
go
to
work,
and
here
we
are
they're
spending.
Obviously
you
can
see
all
of
our
staffs
now
back
doing
their
their
job.
E
They
don't
have
to
stand
around
and
wait
to
put
their
their
agenda
items
on
the
up
for
approval,
and
so
it
just
it
was
a
staff
driven,
not
staff
driven.
It
was
mayor
driven
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
get
back
to
work
and
if
they
have
no
reason
to
be
here
so.
N
E
N
Reason
so
if
staff
leaves
the
building
and
I
know
that
that's
been
practice,
you
know
sporadic
practice.
But
if
someone
comes
in
here
like
the
gentleman
that
came
and
spoke
about
sidewalks
on
Rogers,
if
staff
has
left
the
room
and
I
don't
see
him
as
Richmond
in
here,
and
he
has
a
concern
that
we
want
to
address
at
that
point
in
time,
as
staff
is
no
longer
on
presence.
What
what
customer
service
have
we
provided
to
a
taxpayer?
N
If
we
all
remember
on
our
hierarchy
within
our
budget,
our
residents
are
at
the
top
of
the
food
chain,
so
to
speak,
they
should
have
their
right
to
be
the
first
on
the
dock.
I
I,
you
know,
do
I
like
where
some
of
the
Public
Public
comments
go
every
meeting.
No,
so
I
think
you
know,
do
I
feel
bad
for
the
development
Community
or
applicants
that
are
here
to
do
professional
business
and
some
of
the
you
know
some
some
things
that
are
said
yeah.
N
It
doesn't
put
us
in
a
positive
light,
necessarily
but
again
we're
all
up
here
serving
people,
our
residents
and
we've
gotta
they're
they're,
who
put
us
up
here.
So
I
don't
know
why
we
would
change
it.
All
of
a
sudden.
I
mean
you've
been
on
in
the
seat
now
for
almost
five
years,
and
you
just
now
assessed
that
this
is
more
efficient
process.
It's.
J
What
that
ordinance
is
or
policy
just
so
I
mean
it's
long,
but
the
whole
thing
is
that
it
was
established
to
at
least
address
some
of
the
concerns,
and
some
of
the
concerns
is
the
decorum.
Usually
that
goes
on.
That's
basically
the
main
thing,
but
as
the
chair,
he
really
can
determine
that.
You
know
the
where
how
the
public
comments
go.
I
mean
he
has.
J
He
has
the
ability,
as
as
the
chair
and
the
mayor,
because
it
says
he
has
section
six
standards
of
decorum
and
it
lists
you
know
personal
attacks
and
insults
questions
directed
to
the
council
disruptions
in
the
Quorum.
Those
are
already
in
place
that
would
govern
how
we
conduct
out
public
comments.
J
I
just
feel
that
at
the
beginning
there
was
a
time
when
we
did
this,
where
we
would
make
the
announcement,
and
that
would
be
the
chair,
and
that
would
be
section
one
page,
one
right
at
the
bottom.
It
says
at
the
start
of
each
meeting,
the
mayor
May
in
the
mayor's
discretion,
make
any
of
the
following
announcements.
When
the
mayor
calls
for
the
meeting
to
order,
please
turn
off
all
your
cell
phones.
J
If
you
wish
to
address
the
city
council
this
afternoon
or
evening,
please
make
sure
you
have
a
car
filled
out
a
card
with
your
contact
information
and
present
it
to
the
clerk.
If
you
have
requested
to
speak
when
your
name
is
called,
please
proceed
to
the
podium
and
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone
stating
your
name
address
of
for
the
record
organization.
J
If
any
and
whether
or
not
you
are
a
city
resident
and
direct
your
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
to
individual,
Commissioners
or
other
members
of
the
public,
please
observe
the
general
rules
of
decorum
and
civility
speak
one
at
a
time
avoid
personal
attacks.
Avoid
shouting
speak
only
to
the
issue
at
hand.
J
So
if
we
were
to,
if,
if
the
chair
were
to
present
this
before
public
comments,
he
is
setting
the
tone
for
what
public
comments
should
do,
and
it's
right
here,
I
just
feel
that
without
notice
to
our
public
and
without
notice
to
each
other
Commissioners
to
have
changed
the
location
of
public
comments,
was
it
didn't
give
anyone
any
time
to
at
least
say
we
understand
the
reasoning
for
it
and
you're
right.
J
We
we
want
to
be
considerate
of
our
staff,
but
as
as
commissioner
Becker
points
out
when
you
look
at
the
organizational
chart,
guess
what
people
of
the
city
of
Apopka
sit
right
on
top
of
all
of
us.
So
we
owe
this,
the
our
residents
and
our
taxpayers
the
respect
of
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
have
public
speak
public
comments
at
the
beginning.
The
way
we
had
it,
what
we've
been
doing
all
along
and
that's
that's
where
I
always
feel
that
we
do
things.
J
J
How
are
we
going
to
conduct
the
meeting
so
I
just
feel
that
we
let
it
go
today,
because
I
didn't
want
to
make
an
issue
at
the
beginning
and
bring
this
up,
but
now
that
we
have
it
at
the
end
I'm
going
to
let
the
public
speak
and
say
how
they
feel
about
having
public
comments
at
the
end,
and
certainly
if
we
are
going
to
change
this,
then
we
make
to.
We
need
to
make
some
sort
of
amendment
to
the
to
the
resolution.
We
make
these
resolutions
because
they
guide
us.
J
B
So
it
it's
a
catch-22
like
I
said
some
residents
like
the
fact
that
it's
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
it
gives
an
opportunity
to
get
here,
and
they
don't
have
to
be
here
at
the
very
start
of
the
meeting
and
some
prefer
it
is
at
the
beginning.
So
they
can
say
what
they
have
to
say
and
and
leave.
So
it's.
N
Yeah
I'll
I'll
make
my
young
Sheldon
comment
as
people
like
to
call
me
the,
but
the
point
being
is
like
even
when
this
was
changed
back
in
2016.,
there
was
a
normal
course
of
business
at
residence
and
people
that
attended
these
meetings
knew
was
going
to
happen
when
you
do
it
under
this
pretense,
and
you
know
you
don't
tell
anybody
about
it,
it's
just
kind
of
Everything's
changed.
Why
would
we
not
have
a
formal
conversation
as
a
council,
because
you
know
that
this
is
going
to
raise
eyebrows
of
people?
Why?
N
And
we
do
have
this
resolution
on
file
and
the
spirit
of
it,
even
though
it
may
not
say
immediately
following,
but
it
at
that
time
it
was
meant
to
change
it
to
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
and
so
hey
I'm
open
to
the
conversation,
I,
don't
think
my
way
or
the
highway,
but
it
should
be
one
of
these
things
that,
ideally,
the
board
of
this
chair
would
say:
hey
by
the
way,
come
next
meeting
and
and
appreciation
of
Staff
calendars
and
schedules.
X
That
Steve
Larson
curious.
X
N
G
G
G
G
The
mayor's
right
facts
are
a
funny
thing.
Austin
death
was
a
direct
result
of
lack
of
training
and
safety
at
the
fire
station
reports.
Major
issues
with
health
and
safety
at
the
afd
can
be
summarized
as
follows:
years
of
neglected
safety
and
health
programs,
attention
towards
safety
and
health,
fire
staff
comments.
G
G
Current
sogs
are
long-winded,
outdated.
They
need
a
total
overhaul.
Definitely
a
contributory
factor
of
Austin
Duran's
accident
training
standards
are
unacceptable
and
contributed
to
Austin's
death.
We
need
real
Training
Division
State.
The
concerns
have
been
known
and
ignored
by
management.
For
years,
no
one
in
management
has
ever
been
written
up
or
held
accountable
for
Austin's
death,
While
others
get
punished
for
minor
issues.
G
G
G
G
N
D
R
The
report-
the
draft
report
I,
think
it's
important
to
note
in
our
conversations
with
Gannon
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
subject
matter
of
the
litigation
or
the
accident,
but
again
and
told
us
when
they
sent
the
report.
Oh,
this
was
just
for
you
guys
to
review
and
go
over,
and
it's
almost
treating
it
like
a
questionnaire
when
I
had
to
advise
them,
you're
aware
under
Florida
law.
R
The
second
you
handed
us
that
that
draft
report-
it's
a
public
record,
turns
out
Gannon
has
never
done
a
review
of
any
Florida
fire
department
or
any
Florida
local
government.
So
they
weren't
clear
on
that
as
to
the
subject
matter,
because
the
report
kind
of
skirts
around
in
slaloms
and
and
dances
on
touching
issues
regarding
the
accident
and
then
the
overall
department
and
then
back
to
the
accident.
A
lot
of
these
things
are
intermingled,
so
it's
I.
R
R
R
If
you
want
to
discuss
the
holistic
issues
overall
of
the
department
and
we're
not
within
those
fact
patterns
that
are
germane
to
the
litigation,
that's
within
your
purview
as
the
local
government,
but
those
issues
that
are
raised
and
statements
that
can
be
made
or
inferred
from
the
report
that
are
leading
to
some
type
of
opinion
or
comment
relating
to
the
subject
matter
of
the
litigation
that
that's
the
I
mean
it's
a
fine
line,
and
it's
it's.
It's
really
a
muddled
gray
area.
I
mean
we've
got
to
kind
of
need
to
be
careful
in.
N
Regards
to
those
you
need
to
make
the
decision,
because
we've
had
residents
that
have
sought
public
record
of
this
report,
my
opinion
and
I'm,
not
the
clerk,
but
in
my
opinion,
the
draft
that
they
sent
is
a
public
record,
not
a
version
that
has
fire
response
legal
response,
the
draft
that
they
sent
is
a
public
record
and
that
has
to
be
delivered
to
the
people.
That's
requesting
this
public
record,
if
you
don't
think
it
has
any
bearing
on
the
litigation
in
its
purest
form.
It's
the
hey!
N
If
there
wasn't
proper,
due
diligence
done
to
say
hey,
this
should
not
come
through
the
formal
channels
that
makes
it
a
public
record
prior
to
us.
Having
a
conversation,
that's
not
a
fault
of
person
seeking
that
record.
So
it's
a
separate
record
of
the
one
that
we
received
because
now
it's
littered
with
the
fire
department's
remarks
your
remarks
and
then
we
can't
clearly
see
what's
going
on
there.
Second
point
and
Mr
Duran
touched
on.
R
I
am
looking
also
for
the
concern
of
the
firefighters
because
they
can
speak
on
the
condition
of
anonymity.
Ganon
could
make
a
can
make
a
conclusion
based
on
their
quotes,
without
actually
putting
the
quote
verbatim
in
a
report
at
that
point
that
if
that
quote,
is
verbatim
in
a
report,
it
is
outside
of
the
control
of
anyone
for
any
other
person,
a
person
or
I
can't
control
who
to
try
to
identify
who
that
is,
if
I
give
some.
If
I
give
a
statement
in
an
anonymity
hey.
R
This
is
what
I'm
going
to
say
and
then
my
statement
appears
on
paper
for
someone
to
be
able
to
infer
hey,
look,
hey
buddy,
I,
see
you're
I
mean
I'm
speaking
kind
of
loosely,
but
hey
I,
see
your
quote,
made
the
report.
Well,
did
that
person
who
gave
the
the
quote?
Was
he
fully
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
what
I'm
gonna
say
is
going
to
appear
verbatim
sure,
unattributed,
but
verbatim
in
a
written
report?
That's
now
a
public
record
available
to
the
entire
public?
That
was
my
concern.
R
That's
the
concern
I
raised
with
Gannon
I,
wasn't
looking
for
hey,
who
said
that
that's
inappropriate
on
my
on
my
behalf,
I'm,
actually
looking
on
for
the
protection
of
the
privacy
of
our
employees.
Did
this
entity
be
aware
that
they're
going
to
put
unattributed
quotes
from
people
in
a
public
document
that
could
be
easily
that's
going
to
be
disseminated
to
the
public?
That's
that's
something
of
concern.
You've.
R
N
N
Now,
unless
someone
can
point
to
the
statement
of
work
that
says,
quotes
will
only
be
source,
citation
or
things
like
I.
Don't
know,
I
got
the
the
statement
of
work
this
afternoon,
so
I
need
to
read
through
that.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
that
yet,
but
if
we
are
not
going
to
promote
that
these
things
are
going
to
remain
anonymous
if
they
were
in
fact
told
to
your
point.
N
In
all
fairness
to
your
point
that
Gannon
said
hey,
we
are
going
to
use
your
feedback
to
write
specifically
what
you
said
within
the
support:
okay,
let's,
let's
run
that
to
ground,
but
if
they
were
under
the
mindset-
and
they
told
people
that
when
they
were
doing
their
interviews,
that
you
are
your
quote
is
going
to
be
represented
in
the
report
of
findings.
Those
people
should
remain
anonymous
if
they
were
in
fact
told
that
they
were
going
to
do
that.
They
got
that
instruction
from
the
admin.
N
But
you
know
from
a
timeline
perspective.
I
know
that
you
all
have
had
you've
mocked
that
up
or
major
notations.
When
are
we
going
to
get
a
final
report
when
they're,
because
in
the
statement
of
work
I
did
see
something
where
Gannon
said
that
they
were
going
to
present
this
to
us
as
a
as
a
body
as
well?
Is
that.
E
R
Indonesia
or
yeah,
it's
a
it's,
the
two,
the
folks
who
drafted
the
report
who
we
spoke
to.
We
spoke
with
them
on
Friday
morning.
They
were
actually
on
route
to
Thailand,
where
they
had
a
project
and
I,
don't
know
how
long
it
was
going
to
be
before
they
actually
got
back
to
the
U.S.
To
then
address
the
our
responses
and
the
feedback,
which
is
what
they
solicited
as
part
of
the
they're,
submitting
that
that
draft
review
to
the
city
and.
K
So
can
I
just
interrupt
you
real,
quick,
because
public
comments
already
been
waiting
so
long
and
I'm
sure
we
were
all
going
to
address
this
during
our
Council
reports.
Can
we
let
public
comments
still
happen
and
then
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
just
to
everyone's
Point.
Previously,
they've
waited
quite
a
bit.
Sorry.
AB
All
right
well
I'm,
going
to
continue
to
talk
about
the
report.
So,
let's
talk
about
it
since
it
has
to
do
with
you
know.
Safety
and
safety
is
supposed
to
be
our
number
one
priority
in
the
city.
I
hear
that
constantly
I
can
resolutely
say:
I've,
never
been
more
embarrassed
and
ashamed
reading
a
document
in
quite
some
time
and
that's
saying
a
lot
because
I
read
a
lot
of
embarrassing
things
over
the
last
year.
AB
It's
unacceptable
and
I
have
access
to
a
dictionary
if
anybody
needs
to
Define
that
term,
because
that's
what
we're
doing
is
just
piecemealing
sentences
word
for
word
and
saying:
how
does
this
word
use?
Give
me
a
Chief,
Wyland
and
mayor
Nelson,
hand-picked
this
Professional
Organization,
to
review
this
fire
department,
we're
told
our
own
people
weren't
allowed
to
perform
any
review
or
critique,
because
industry
leading
subject
matter
experts
were
conducting
them
instead,
Gannon
Solutions
was
part
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
that
Chief
Wyland
stated
he
put
together.
AB
AB
Suddenly
this
company
has
gone
from
experts
to
Enemy
Number
One
for
exposing
the
reality
that
the
rest
of
us
live
in
and
we're
to
believe
Chief
wilderman
attorney
Rodriguez
are
now
the
subject
matter:
experts
for
how
to
run
a
fire
department
through
the
assistance
of
Chief
Maynard
who
I
do
commend
for
his
efforts,
and
this
our
firefighters
were
in
fact
encouraged
on
multiple
occasions
and
even
offered
overtime
to
meet
with
representatives
from
this
company
gaining
Solutions
and
we're
told
your
participation
is
an
important
part
of
this
evaluation
and
will
give
them
a
better
understanding
of
our
department
and
a
plan
for
important
next
steps
moving
forward
now
that
the
truths
come
out,
our
chief
wants
every
single
employee
comment
stricken
from
the
record.
AB
That's
what
we're
just
talking
about
here
right,
one
of
those
things
this
place
is
still
North
Korea.
That
was
a
comment
that
was
put
in
there.
That's
not
attributable
to
anybody.
Every
single
comment
we're
going
to
strike
from
the
record,
because
you're
worried
about
us
I
have
had
so
many
complaints
on
my
phone.
You
know
what
not
one
of
them
has
been
that
they
published
our
words,
because
every
time
we
try
to
speak,
it
gets
silenced.
AB
Everything
that
we
do
tries
to
suppress
anybody
else's
narrative
other
than
the
one
from
City
Hall
and
from
fire
Administration.
That's
it
usually
and
I
was
I,
was
kind
of
looking
forward
to
this
report,
because
usually
it
gets
this
misconstrued
as
oh,
it's
the
union
and
there's
just
a
couple
guys
with
an
ax
to
grind,
and
this
isn't
the
opinion
of
everybody
else
right.
This
is
just
they've
got
an
angle.
What
angle
did
this
company
have?
That
was
hand-picked?
AB
AB
AB
AB
We've
been
working
on
a
plan
for
everything
forever,
and
you
know
it's
just
we
have
to
come
in
here
and
scream
and
shout
every
other
week
I
mean
the
responses
in
this
report
were
clearly
written,
reactively
out
of
fear,
rather
than
understanding
and
out
of
all
the
comments
and
questions
I
received
from
our
firefighters,
one
of
the
most
common
ones
was:
who
is
our
fire
chief?
AB
Is
it
Chief?
Nelson
is
the
chief
Rodriguez?
Is
it
you
I?
Just
we
have
no
sense
of
where
this
is
coming
from.
Why
it's
gone
the
way
it's
gone?
It's
you
know
to
use
the
term
that
was
questioned
for
a
definition
in
that
report.
It's
this
unacceptable.
AB
What?
What
else
could
we
possibly
do,
except
the
law
report
from
a
third
party
company
that
they
chose
industry
leading
subject
matter
experts?
They
gave
you
their
opinion
and
then
we
decided
to
pick
apart.
What
is
the
word
unacceptable
mean?
What
is
the
you
know
who
wrote
this
do
not
strike
those
quotes
from
the
record
and
if
you
want
to,
you
can
go
back
and
ask
him
what
were
mine
exactly
and
I
hope.
AB
H
Dennis
new
105
West
Magnolia
good
afternoon
again
this
afternoon,
I've
seen
multiple
zoning
and
approvals
without
proper
infrastructure
in
place.
The
city
has
an
outdated
traffic
plan,
an
outdated
infrastructure
plan
under
staff
departments,
including
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department.
Is
anybody
on
the
commission
listening
to
the
taxpayers?
Is
there
some
unseen
or
undisclosed,
Financial
drive
to
multiple
people
or
just
one
person
to
push
to
continue
to
overburden
this
city?
Growth
is
inevitable.
H
This
fact's
been
known
for
Years,
yet
here
we
are
with
an
understaffing
issue
in
multiple
City
departments
and
still
approval
after
approval
now
on
to
the
important
part,
Florida
statute,
633
Florida
statute.
633
is
a
state
law
that
governs
the
operation
and
implementation
of
a
fire
department.
Safety
Committee.
H
It
was
discussed
on
social
media
and
published
that
a
paid
investigation
of
firefighter
Duran's
death
was
returned
and
the
City
attorney
and
the
mayor,
along
with
the
fire
chief
contested
portions
of
the
report
and
wanted
to
redone
or
removed,
is
this
like
paying
for
a
survey
for
apples,
the
Apple
that
wins
is
the
highest
bidder
you
get
what
you
pay
for,
or
is
the
truth?
What
the
city
is
really
after
niosh
is
working
on
their
investigation.
H
The
State
Fire
Marshals
report
has
been
done
and
was
contested
where's
the
transparency
on
those
reports
or
the
first
drafts.
Why
pay
for
a
third
party
investigation
if
the
fire
chief,
the
so-called
City
attorney
and
the
mayor,
can
contest?
What
is
reported.
Narcissism
is
a
rule
cast
the
blame,
blame
everybody
else,
but
where
it
lays
why
not
just
save
money
and
put
those
three
in
a
room
and
let
them
write
whatever
they
want
to
write
to
sugarcoat
the
issue
and
attempt
to
protect
the
city
from
liability.
H
Why
the
gag
order
on
city
employees
is
a
city
to
afraid
to
admit
that
Mr
wilam
will
training
officers
stress
the
importance
of
the
training
on
the
sand
trailer.
Yet,
when
promoted
did
away
with
the
training
officer's
position
and
forgot
the
department
rules,
he
had
a
part
in
writing
in
regard
to
the
trailer.
Why
was
it
put
back
into
service
after
it
had
been
emptied
and
stored
in
the
garage
across
the
street?
It's
time
for
answers
not
for
evasion,
not
a
conspiracy
to
cover
the
truth?
H
Why
is
it
that
the
City
attorney
gave,
in
my
opinion,
poor
advice
to
the
fire
chief
in
direct
conflict
with
state
law
to
dissolve
the
Safety
Committee?
Why
did
the
chief
you
call
him
Chief,
it's
a
term
of
respect
after
my
career
in
the
fire
service,
one
I'll
never
address.
Mr
Weiland
with
the
state
law
is
clear.
A
Safety
Committee
is
made
up
of
fire
department
members,
not
an
ad
hoc
group
made
up
of
the
admins
picks
to
continue
to
evade
the
truth
and
responsibility.
The
failure
was
this
cities.
H
The
failure
was
the
person
in
the
chief's
job
and
apparently,
a
lower
Chief
officers
will
stand
up,
accept
responsibility,
ensure
that
proper
training
and
safety
practices
are
in
place
in
the
fire
department.
The
city
promoted
those
two
positions
from
within
continuing
the
quote:
established
culture,
which
has
now
been
clearly
proven
to
be
a
culture
of
demeaning
treatment,
poor
safety
and
training,
as
well
as
poor
leadership.
It's
time
to
fix
it
not
to
hide
about
it.
The
Duran
family,
the
fire
department
and
the
taxpayers
deserve
better
it's
time
to
fire
wylam.
M
M
Albert
McKinney
3603
golden
Jam
Road.
You
know
I,
look
around
me
tonight
and
it's
a
great
deal
of
sadness
that
I
feel
I
see
that
firemen
who
depend
on
each
other
who
have
been
Brothers
all
their
life
now
are
committing
suicide.
There's
all
sorts
of
things
going
on
and
I
can't
understand
why
everyone
I've
spoken
to
without
Fearless,
said
going
back.
Chief
Ryland
was
a
great
firefighter
what's
changed.
Why
are
people
unhappy
I
provided
the
Commissioners
and
the
mayor
and
the
the
city
clerk
with
a
document
which
is
dated
August
the
2nd
2017.
M
it
was
documentation
prevented
presented
by
then
the
fire
training
officer,
Chief
Wyland,
in
that
he
documented
the
requirement
for
training.
He
documented
how
it
was
to
be
carried
out
in
rotations
through
the
different
stations.
M
M
One
of
the
gentlemen
over
there
I
think
hit
the
nail
right
on
the
head
in
case
he
addressed
the
mirror,
is
the
chief
of
the
fire
department
I
believe
that
a
lot
of
what's
gone
wrong
in
this
in
this
community
is
based
on
budgetary
restrictions,
and
it's
a
culture
that
mayor
Nelson
puts
pressure
on
anyone
and
everyone.
If
they
don't.
U
M
What
he
wants,
then
the
doors
over
there
we've
seen
that
on
numerous
occasions
with
with
all
sorts
of
things,
I
think
the
first
thing
that
I
would
suggest
is
we
need
an
honest
mirror
and,
and
until
we
have
that
nothing's
going
to
get
better
on
Apopka.
J
Is
it
we're
done,
can
can
I
just
address
one
thing,
and
that
is
that
you
know:
I
have
received
emails
from
Mr,
Michael,
Duran
and
Austin's
mom,
and
one
of
my
concerns
have
been
that
they
feel
some
frustration
on
public
records
requests
and
not
only
do
they
feel
some
frustration
from
it,
the
indignity
of
not
even
responding
to
them
in
in
a
response
just
to
say
you
know,
we
have
your
request
either
we
can,
you
know,
fill
the
request
or
at
this
time
we
can't-
and
you
know,
I
did
speak
to
the
city
clerk
and
I
understand
that
she
was
counseled,
that
she
was
not
to
respond
and
so
I'm
asking
the
attorney
and
the
chief
administrator.
J
When
someone
is
emailing
or
comes
into
our
city
hall,
to
ask
for
public
records,
we
do
respond
and
so
I
felt
an
obligation
to
respond
to
both
Miss
Gayle,
Duran
and
Mr
Michael
Duran
to
let
them
know
that
there
were
that
we
were
counseled
through
the
executive
session
that
we
were
not
to
discuss
or
kind
of
have
any
inquiries,
but
I
just
feel
that
if
they
are
asking
for
public
records,
if
they
are
contacting
our
staff
or
each
of
us,
that
we
should
be
responding
to
them
out
of
respect
and
giving
them
whatever.
J
R
To
clarify
the
issues:
first,
starters:
I
cannot
ethically
directly
respond
to
either
Mr
Mrs
Duran.
They
are
represented
by
Council.
The
rules
of
the
Florida
bar
prohibit
me
from
speaking
to
them,
without
their,
without
speaking
to
their
counsel.
I
have
to
speak
to
their
attorneys.
I
was
actually
on
the
phone
with
one
of
their
attorneys
today
in
in
addressing
and
taking
care
of
an
issue,
so
I
cannot
respond
to
them.
They
can
be
no
communication.
No
telephone
calls
from
my
office
to
them
directly
I'm
prohibited
from
doing
so.
R
J
Asking
you
from
my
understanding
from
their
email,
they
were
not
asking
you
directly,
they
were
doing
as
they
always
have
done
was
to
ask
for
public
records
through
the
city
clerk's
office.
R
Excuse
me,
council,
with
all
due
respect,
commissioner
Velazquez
I
do
not
appreciate
you
belittling
my
job
by
putting
my
work
in
quotation
marks,
I
I
at
least
I
request,
I.
U
R
S
R
The
advisement
has
been
the
As
for
the
the
to
my
knowledge,
the
last
documents
that
were
produced
that
were
requested.
There
has
been
communication
between
the
clerk's
office
as
to
what
the
those
documents
how
many
were
received,
the
clarification
I
believe
we
actually
responded
today
to
the
final
clarification,
the
public.
The
records
request
was
an
oral
records
request,
so
we
have
to
compile
the
records
based
on
what
was
transmitted
orally
to
the
clerk's
office.
R
We
have
been
compiling
the
documents
and
and
making
sure
that
these
are
documents
that
do
not
have
any
exemptions
or
are
consistent
with
the
public
records
laws
of
the
State
of
Florida
I.
Think
today
we
actually
did
respond.
We
did
submit
the
response
back
from
the
clerk's
office.
To
just
clarify
does
is
there
anything
else?
Can
you
please
clarify
so
that
when
we
do
produce
all
the
records,
They
accurately
reflect
what
was
requested?
R
R
The
clerk's
policy
is
when
a
request
is
made
that
they
they
acknowledging
request,
is
made
and
that
they're,
you
know,
they'll
be
a
reasonable
time
for
the
documents
to
be
gathered,
and
there
was
a
follow-up
done
today
to
make
sure
that
we
have
what
was
requested
correctly,
that
we
didn't
miss
anything
because
it's
not
something
we
can
go
to
an
email
or
a
letter
and
just
check
off
okay.
Here
it
is
here
it
is.
R
This
was
something
that's
you
know,
based
on
a
phone
call
and
notes
being
taken,
and
things
can
be
missed
when
things
are
are
delivered
orally.
I
think
we
were
also
requesting
to
make
sure
we
had
some
type
of
written
confirmation
that
the
documents
that
that
the
request
would
be
you
know
completely
fulfilled.
That's
to
my
knowledge,
the
last
of
the
of
the
records
requests
that
was
done.
R
We
were
still
in
the
process
of
compiling
and
reviewing
the
records
to
make
sure
that
those
records
that
are
sent
are
consistent
with
chapter
119
and
that
that
we
do
not
produce
information
that
is
exempt
under
Florida
law
from
from
public
records.
There
are
exempt
documents
and
it's
Our
obligation
to
review
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
inadvertently
produce
exempt
documents.
J
Purview
she
did
when
I
once
spoke
to
her
this
afternoon,
because
I
I
actually
went
to
her
office
in
response
to
the
both
emails
that
I
received
from
both
parents,
where
they
felt
that
they
were
not
being
responded
to
and
they
felt
that
they
were
just
being
ignored.
And
that
was
the
word
that
they
used
ignored.
I,
I,
I.
R
Can
empathize
and
I
can't
feel
it,
but
that's
an
issue
between
the
clerk's
office.
That's
out
of
the
clerk's
office.
U
F
N
Records
requests
have
to
funnel
through
the
attorney's
office,
okay,
so
even
outside,
and
you
have
general
knowledge
of
chapter
119
in
terms
of
what
should
or
shouldn't
be
divulged
in
terms
of
that
that
state
law
and
I
can
certainly
appreciate
anything
that
comes
across
as
it
relates
to
the
litigation
that
we
all
are
talking
about
at
this
point.
But
the
fact
that
every
single
public
records
request
has
to
go
through
our
attorney's
office
I
think
is
the
point
that
commissioner
Velasquez
is
making
shouldn't
have
to
I.
Don't
know
why
it
does
I.
N
R
Don't
authorize
what
records
are
reduced
and
the
clerk
can
confirm
this,
the
attorney's
copied,
as
as
a
public
records
to
review
and
and
to
pinpoint,
however,
I,
don't
tell
her
okay.
Now
you
can
release
okay,
don't
release
this.
N
AC
N
N
N
So
if
you
immediately
cease
that
practice,
you
would
be
okay
because
you
you,
as
the
records,
Clerk
or
custodian,
can
reply
back
so
we're
all
set
up
here,
generally
heading
not
in
our
head
to
say
it
doesn't
need
to
go
through
the
attorney's
office
at
this
point
now.
Obviously,
if
it's
the
one
related
to
Penny
and
litigation
across
the
board,
obviously
that
becomes
a
different
story
but
I'm
just
looking
at
you
for
General
guidances,
so
I
I
can
convey
to
the
general
public.
Yes,.
J
And
when
someone
comes
into
City
Hall,
they
don't
have
to
identify
themselves.
I
mean
that
is
what
I
learned
through
ethics.
My
four-hour
ethics
that
I
take
every
year
is
that
someone
can
come
up
to
me
as
a
commissioner
in
the
street
and
say
we
want
these
public
records
and
I'd
have
to
come
right
to
you
and
say:
I
had
a
request
and
I
am
not
allowed
to
ask
that
person
who
are
they
or
why
do
they
want?
No
I
can't
ask
them
their
name
bye
and
it
does
that.
J
J
The
the
other
thing
that
I
just
now
that
we
have
this
new
way
of
coming
into
City
Hall,
where
we
have
to
provide
some
kind
of
eye
identification,
that
person
really
isn't
Anonymous
anymore
right.
AC
And
but
they
can
also
make
a
phone
call
and
and
do
it
that
way,
so
we
have
had
people
call
and
we've
have
had
people
come
in
and
verbally
do
it
so
I
could
take
a
verbal
on
a
phone
call
or
I
can
take
a
verbal
on
somebody
just
coming
up
to
the
counter
and
I
and
I
would
not
they
could
technically
before
the
system.
They
would
have
remained
anonymous,
but
yes,
you're
right.
They
they
do
have
to
provide
their
their
ID
to
get
in
okay,.
N
D
J
The
only
thing
I
ask
is,
is
you
know
when
anybody
we
treat
everyone
the
same,
and
so
my
concern
was
that
the
Duran
family
felt
that
they
were
being
ignored.
That.
J
Was
that
everyone
else
gets
a
quick
response
in
acknowledging
the
request
and
I
mean
I,
get
them
all
the
time
from
Susan
when
we
are
copied
and
she
immediately
responds
by
saying,
we've
received
your
requests
and
she's
working
on
it,
but
that
wasn't
occurring
with
the
Duran
family
and
that's
why
they
are
reached
out
to
us,
because
there
was
some
kind
of
frustration
upon
them
that.
Why
aren't?
Why
isn't
anyone
at
least
acknowledging
that
they
were
asking
for
these
records?
And
they
understand
that
it's
under
litigation?
J
R
Again,
we're
conflating
issues
here.
The
city
clerk
was
never
told
not
to
respond
to
acknowledge
the
the
oral
request.
There
was
an
acknowledgment
yeah
via
email
when
the
request
was
initially
made,
so
she
was
never
directed
never
to
never
to
even
acknowledge
receipt
of
the
request
that
that
just
did
not
happen.
AC
J
Not
much
other
than
that
when
we
had
our
South
Apopka
annexation,
I
just
want
to
comment
to
the
residents
who
did
come
out
to
the
John
Bridges
Center.
Thank
you
for
coming
out.
I
got
to
hear,
of
course,
a
lot
of
sentiments,
some
criticism
and
we
are
still
working
with
that.
South
Park
annexation
and
you
know
we're
still
looking
for
for
participation,
and
you
know.
I
I
took
away
a
lot
from
that.
J
That
meeting
I
hope
that
the
next
one
that
we
have
will
be
done
and
a
time
frame
that
would
be
accessible
for
everyone
who
wants
to
attend
and
certainly
on
a
tie
on
a
day
that
the
county,
commissioner,
is
not
holding
her
own
council
meeting,
because
it
is
important
to
hear
from
the
county
rather
than
providing
all
the
data
that
we
did
and
they
did
not
get.
We
did
not
get
to
hear
from
the
county
and
I
think
it's
very
important
part
of
the
south
of
popular
annexation.
J
They
are
the
one.
The
county
is
the
one
that
is
at
this
time,
kind
of
paying
the
bills
and
taking
care
of
what
South
Apopka
needs,
and
so
we
need
to
hear
from
the
county
on
the.
If
we
go
ahead
and
make
another
Workshop
I
feel
that
we
need
to
have
the
county
sitting
at
the
table
so
that
we
can
understand
what
they
provide
the
services
they
provide,
what
it
costs
and
what
it
would
take
to.
You
know
turn
over
South
Apopka
to
the
city.
J
I
think
that's
important,
because
we,
it
was
all
really
one-sided.
It
was
just
everything
that
it
would
cost
in
order
to
absorb
the
South
Apopka
and
we
didn't
really
have
any
feedback
from
the
county.
S
E
N
N
First
of
all,
first
and
foremost
have
you
blocked,
History,
Month
sort
of
in
February.
We
have
a
very
diverse
Community,
it's
to
be
flooded
and
appreciated,
and
secondarily
Mr
Patton
I
didn't
see
you
on
Monday,
so
I've
got
some
sample
economic
development
director
position
kind
of
job
descriptions
that
I
would
like
to
hand
off
to
as
well
as
I
would
encourage
the
rest
of
the
commission
and
do
the
same
thing.
N
You
and
you
know
beyond
and
I
apologize,
because
I
know
that
there's
a
fire
department,
training
update
coming
up
on
the
agenda
and
it's
unfortunate
that
the
timing
of
us
getting
this
report
is
less
than
24
hours
of
this
meeting.
So
I
apologize,
it's
raw.
P
N
Me
and
I'm
going
to
react
to
it.
The
and
I'll
try
and
be
as
respectful
as
possible
to
our
attorneys.
You
know
Council
around
the
penny
litigation,
but
there's
a
lot
in
there.
That's
not
contested
in
terms
of
facilities
in
terms
of
current
conditions,
past
conditions,
granted
people
we're
gonna,
have
a
train,
update
and
life
safety
update,
but
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
there
that
are
not
contested
and
how
they
got
to
that
condition.
How
we're
communicating
what
we're
doing
to
resolve
those
issues?
N
You
know
every
every
budget
cycle
that
I've
set
up
here
on
city
council
as
the
same
thing
of
director
staff.
Even
when
we
were
doing
the
the
camp
we
law
expenditure
of
to
the
two
to
four
million
dollars
and
such
do.
We
have
any
critical
needs
across
the
Departments
that
would
preclude
us
from
making
these
types
of
spends
that
are
viewed
as
kind
of
luxury
spends
like
camp.
We
walk
and
it's
always
what
the
resounding
no.
We
got
everything
covered
budget's
great
and
this
that
matter,
and
then
you
look
at
this
report.
N
You
got
you
know
every
every
Station
House
even
stationed
five
for
pizza
has
some
material
findings
in
terms
of
and
that's
a
brand
new
station
as
of
2019
station.
N
Four
again,
we've
touched
on
it
before
we
haven't
really
talked
in
length
about
it,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
us
took
site
visits
to
that
location
and
I
mean
I'm
no
mold
expert,
but
there's
mold
present
there's
violations
in
terms
of
that
report
around
the
hood
not
being
over
the
stove
and
Cook
Area
yeah,
there's
some
cosmetic
rips
in
insulation,
but
that's
kind
of
tertiary
to
me.
You
know
mold
being
the
most
important.
N
So
we
can.
We
can
spin
doctor
this
thing,
all
all
we
want
and
like
even
the
notation
in
the
report
talking
about
understanding
the
facilities.
You
know
two
people
down
yeah.
We
can
say
that
it
was
outside
the
scope
of
that
report,
but
facts
are
facts
right
if
we're
down
people
in
facilities
and
we're
not
able
to
address
pressing
and
safety
needs
within
our
facilities,
it's
something
that
we
need
to
know
as
counsel
and
react
to
it.
I
mean
I.
Don't.
U
N
N
N
I
mean
you've.
The
mayor
and
staff
has
had
this
report
for
quite
some
time.
What's
the
suggestion?
Let's
listen
to
the
chief
I,
want
to
know
your
suggestion,
you're
the
leader
of
this
city.
What
is
your
point
of
view
you
each
meeting
granted
you
can?
You
can
argue
back
and
forth
with
whether
or
not
people
that
talk
during
public
comment
or
or
talk
frequently
at
this
at
the
city
council?
If
you
agree
or
disagree
fine,
but
this
is
a
department
within
the
city
that
you
manage
you've
seen
this
report.
N
B
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
is
February
1st
in
the
beginning
of
Black
History
Month
and
that
we
do
come
in
all
of
our
soldiers
that
are
going
on
the
forest
that
have
paved
the
way
for
black
history
and
support
all
the
activities
that
would
take
place
during
this
month
of
Black
History
Month
in
reference
to
the
meeting
that
was
held
for
the
annexation
or
the
unincorporated
part
of
Apopka
I'm,
suggesting
that
we
schedule
another
meeting
date
for
another
meeting.
B
That
would
be
at
a
time
six
o'clock
as
the
resident
suggested,
but
I
will
also
like,
if
it's
legal
for
the
council
to
vote,
to
show
that
we
support
the
process
of
indexing,
sophopapopca
or
unincorporated
parts
of
Apopka
and
to
let
them
know
that
we
are
serious
about
what
we
are
talking
about
doing
and
then
a
plan
is
put
into
place
in
order
to
make
that
a
reality.
If
that's
what
the
residents
of
the
unincorporated
positive
Apopka
would
like
to
do,
I've
read
the
report.
B
There's
some
things
that
I
will
wait
until
the
report
from
the
fire
department
is
done
in
reference
to
the
update
and
that
those
things
that
are
within
our
scope
of
doing
that
that
they
are
addressed.
That's
all
I
have,
commissioner,.
E
K
Just
when
I
say
we're
celebrating
Black
History
Month,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
good
events
going
on
in
Central,
Florida,
so
make
sure
you're
attending
those
I
want
to
jump
into
Economic
Development
Department
went
over
to
city
of
Sanford
last
Monday
to
meet
with
their
economic
development
director
meet
their
department
and
then
also
go
to
their
city
council
meeting
so
learned
a
lot
just
how
other
cities
very
similar
City
to
hours
similar
age
size,
both
in
population
and
geographically
so
I
like
to
use
them
somewhat
as
a
rubric
and
and
so
I
had
a
really
productive
conversation
with
their
economic
development.
K
Director,
Tom,
tomerlin
and
I
would
suggest
you
guys
all
reach
out
as
well
just
to
talk
to
them
kind
of
get
an
understanding
of
that
of
how
they
run
their
Department.
It's
very
successful
I
am
he
was
in
Lake
Mary
at
one
point
and
created
an
incredible
brochure
that
he
gave
me
of
just
kind
of
how
he
took
that
City
and
designated
different
sites,
and
things
like
that
and
just
how
they
marketed
it.
It
was
really
unique
and
selling
the
story
of
what
like
Mary
could
provide.
I
mean
that
was
before
Verizon
was
there.
K
K
He
also
provided
me
with
Sanford's
actual
kind
of
state
of
the
city
showing
their
Economic
Development
Department,
their
metrics
that
we're
able
to
track-
and
things
like
that
which
I
thought
was
really
cool,
to
be
able
to
actually
have
accountability
on
that
and
see
how
it's
tracking
so
I
realized
that
they,
their
budget,
I
I,
just
thought.
This
was
interesting.
I
brought
their
whole
budget,
I
reviewed
it
again,
just
to
see
how
it
kind
of
goes
with
hours.
They
spend
600
000
a
year,
which
was
an
11
increase
from
the
previous
year.
K
So,
although
they're
going
through
very
similar
staffing
issues,
they
go
through
very
similar
Fire
Department
issues.
They
actually
have
only
four
fire
stations,
whereas
we're
definitely
ahead
of
them.
On
that
front,
they
decided
to
to
increase
their
budget,
another
11,
so
they
obviously
find
Value
there.
In
that
department
year
over
year,
it's
only
just
gave
600
000
and,
and
that's
it
they
are
continually
increasing
that
because
they
find
the
value
which
I
thought
was
very
cool.
K
Out
of
that
too,
they
spend
about
250
000
on
Outreach
programs
meant
to
educate
and
attract
which
I
again,
it's
just
it's
very
cool.
What
they're
doing
up
there?
They
have
a
specific
website
that
I
thought
was
really
cool
too.
That
shows
all
of
the
proposed
construction
under
construction.
Things
like
that
that
the
economic
development
department
created
so
again,
it's
just
it
really
just
refines
the
process
for
the
city
of
how
we
conduct
ourselves
in
business
and
I
really
like
that.
K
So
it's
really
exciting
I
would
definitely
recommend
and
I
can
give
you
his
contact
info
of
reaching
out
to
him.
Just
have
a
phone
call
I
met
with
him
in
his
office,
but
whatever
you
do
definitely
reach
out,
I,
think
it's
productive
and,
and
they
have
a
really
cool
Department
there.
Something
else
I
learned
meeting
with
the
city
of
Stanford
is
that
they
actually
have
they
have
late
meetings,
so
it
starts
at
seven
twice
a
month
each
meeting.
K
What
I
like
that
they
do
is
that
they
have
a
workshop
before
every
meeting.
I.
Think
it's
a
little
much
for
us.
If
we
do
that
just
once
a
month
on
our
late
meeting,
I
think
that
would
be
productive
just
as
a
council
that
would
help
kind
of
shorten
our
meetings
so
that
my
Council
reports
aren't
as
long,
and
it
would
also
just
give
us
a
little
more
time
to
have
some
dialogue.
We
could
also
throw
in
instead
of
kind
of
pushing
out
like
another
annexation
Workshop.
K
We
can
throw
that
in
as
we
need
to
versus
scheduling
out
two
three
months.
Whatever
it
may
be
a
month,
it
lets
it.
We
know
we
can
fit
it
in
the
next
Workshop.
So
I
like
that
concept
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
would
be
open
to
that
or
just
you
know,
think
about
it.
It's
a
recorded
meeting.
So
it's
you
know
Sunshine
Law
protected.
K
We
can
talk
about
what
we
need
to
and
I
think
it
would
just
help
to
promote
the
city
more
get
some
of
our
ideas
and
understand
our
agendas
and
our
goals
and
and
work
forward
from
there.
K
Additionally,
somewhere,
you
know
last
council
meeting,
we
had
about
an
hour-long
special
session
or
a
private
session,
which
a
lot
of
people
were
sitting
here.
So
for
those
scenarios
that
don't
happen
as
commonly
but
do
happen
it
would
we
could
throw
that
on
that
Workshop
time
frame,
so
just
some
ideas
to
help
kind
of
bring
us
into
a
a
little
better
oil
machine
there.
K
Additionally,
what's
something
I
really
like
that?
Samford
did
on
those
late
night
meetings
they
provide
dinner
for
their
staff,
I
I!
Think
that's
a
nice.
A
nice
thing
to
do
because,
especially
with
the
last
meeting,
I
mean
I,
think
that
was
just
a
shocking
meeting
for
a
lot
of
people
that
we
lasted
that
long
so
to
help
the
staff
be
here
as
long
as
they
are
and
with
how
long-winded
I
am
I,
think
it's
beneficial
to
provide
them
some
kind
of
dinner.
K
If
we
can
look
into
that,
also
so,
and-
and
commissioner
Becker
I
appreciate
last
week
too,
that
our
last
meeting
or
the
previous
one,
whichever
meeting
it
was
that
you
had
kind
of
gave
some
detail
on
the
process
that
it
took
to
get
an
item
on
the
agenda.
K
So
what
I
would
like
to
do-
and
I
spoke
to
our
staff
about
this
as
well-
is
get
a
formalized
process
in
place
of
so
there's
no
ambiguity
of
how
we
can
get
that
process
moving
forward
so
that,
whether
it's
us
voting
in
our
Council
reports
and
how
we
move
forward
just
again,
it
eliminates
that
ambiguity
and
we
can
then
move
forward
with
whatever
it
may
be
again.
It
we
kind
of
use.
What's
in
that
workshop
and
then
formalize
it
in
our
Council
reports
to
just
keep
things
moving,
I
think
it
just.
K
It
will
create
a
lot
more
Synergy
up
here,
less
silos
and
just
a
lot
more
work
moving
forward.
The
only
other
thing
is
just
at
the
last
council
meeting,
although
it
was
1am
I'd
asked
for
this
Ganon
report
and
didn't
get
until
last
night.
So
we
need
to
figure
out
why
that
took
so
long
when
we
had
it
I
don't
know
if
there
needs
to
be
a
I
need
to
do
an
official
Vote
or
what
that
needed
to
be.
But
that
was
unacceptable.
K
How
long
that
took,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen
again.
E
AD
First
thing
we
want
to
cover
is
our
new
higher
orientation.
As
we
spoke
with
you
guys.
Earlier
this
week
we
have
15
new
firefighters
going
through
orientation
started
on
January,
17th
and
they're,
going
to
conclude
on
March
24th,
it's
their
graduation
day,
they're
going
to
be
going
on
shift
on
March
26th
I
have
also
have
Chief,
Knapp
and
chief
Maynard
here
with
me
today.
If
you
have
any
further
questions
on
any
of
this
stuff,
but
the
orientation
is
going
very
well.
AD
The
first
two
weeks
as
we
discussed
our
HR
related
a
lot
of
the
getting
the
paperwork
out
of
the
way
getting
orientated.
One
of
the
new
programs
will
be
to
start
was
a
robust
driving
training
program.
AD
The
the
firefighter
recruits
oriented
with
the
ambulances
and
and
drove
around
doing
different
courseworks,
and
things
like
that.
So
we're
going
to
be
starting
15
new
firefighters,
our
recruitment
is
actually
going
very
well.
We
have
a
another
recruitment
project
tomorrow
at
Seminole
State
Fire
College,
which
we're
going
out
to
Recruit
new
firefighters.
We've
had
nine
more
to
get
to
meet
our
goal
to
for
the
end
of
year,
18
additional
firefighters,
something
we're
excited
about
working
through
that
we
found
you
know
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
be
competitive.
AD
One
of
the
things
we've
we've
learned
is
that
different
departments
are
offering
jobs
right
then,
and
there,
and
we
kind
of
come
up
with
a
similar
program
where
we've
been
working
with
Joe
Patton,
to
figure
out
how
we
can
do
that
if
we
have
a
candidate.
Who
is
something
we're
really
excited
about,
calling
it
the
golden
ticket.
But
if
someone
is
we're
really
excited
about,
we
want
to
be
able
to
offer
them
that
job.
AD
You
know
contingent
on,
of
course,
passing
school
and
and
then
completing
what
they're
doing,
but
station
updates
again
in
order
to
an
effort
to
properly
accommodate
for
the
new
hiring
staff.
AD
We
have
gone
through
upgrading
the
stations
and
have
input
requisitions
and
purchases
of
all
needed
equipment
such
as
beds,
lockers
things
of
that
nature,
the
gear
to
make
sure
that
we're
ready
to
go
on
day
one
when
we
implement
the
new
people
on
on
March
26th,
SOG
updates
we're
currently
performing
a
risk
analysis
and
updating
all
of
our
sogs,
based
on
nfpa's
69a
of
the
Florida,
State
statutes
and
other
applicable
industry
standards.
And
this
is
something
we
actually
have
employee
off
duty.
AD
AD
Operating
guidelines
the
so
we
have
someone
who's
looking
through
those
making
look
from
a
risk
management
standpoint
to
make
sure
that
we're
identifying
those
and
making
sure
we're
lining
up
with
all
the
proper
codes.
AD
Another
exciting
Adventure,
we're
taking
on
is
firefighter
Fitness.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have.
One
of
our
goals
we
have
in
mind
is
eventually
become
NFPA,
1500
compliant,
which
is
the
safety
compliancy.
This
is
a
very
large
undertaking.
One
of
the
part
of
that
is
being
a
1583
compliance
engineer.
One
of
our
Engineers
came
to
me
Cody
Bennett,
and
wanted
to
take
on
this
role.
I
I
wanted
to
encourage
him
to
do
that.
AD
He
wanted
to
establish
a
Fitness
training
program
within
our
department,
again
an
effort
to
accomplish
this
goal.
He
has
completed
iff
Wellness
ambassador
program.
He
has
actually
completed
his
personal
trainer
course
so
he's
now,
a
personal
trainer
in
the
final
steps
of
completing
his
nutritional
courses.
AD
Again,
this
establishes
he's
going
to
become
our
Wellness
coordinator
outline
the
requirements.
Big
thing
too,
is
workout
and
safety
equipment
within
the
stations
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
all
adequate
and
safe
and
consistent.
You
know
you
have
different
stations
who
have
different
types
of
workout
equipment.
We
want
to
make
sure
and
he's
got
to
head
all
that
up.
We're
also
going
to
be
doing
a
annual
fitness
test
to
assist
members
and
making
future
health
and
wellness
decisions
again.
AD
Also,
some
of
his
role
is
going
to
be
providing
educational
materials,
PowerPoints
Etc
that
promote
General,
Health
and
Fitness,
and
provide
fitness
programs
through
higher
approach
to
all
members
again
we're
hoping
that
this
is
going
to
be
successful.
We
know
it's
going
to
be
a
successful
program.
I'm
looking
forward
to
Cody,
taking
that
on
jpr
is
a
job
performance
requirements,
and
it's
something
we
talked
about
a
lot
earlier
this
week,
we're
currently
creating
evaluation
criteria
for
certifications
in
all
job
related
skills.
AD
Basically,
there's
the
three
critical
components:
they're,
the
task
to
be
performed,
the
equipment
or
materials
they're
provided
to
complete
this
task
and
establishing
those
parameters
and
performance
outcomes
for
the
specific
tasks
again.
Can
we
kind
of
explain
by
doing
this
we're
going
to
be
able
to
qualify
our
members
and
quantify
how
people
are
are
performing
with
that?
You
know
the
training
training
Chief
stop
now
will
be
to
kind
of
dissect
that
and
look
at
areas
that
we
need
Improvement
on.
AD
AD
Another
exciting
thing:
fire
department,
safety
officers,
health
and
safety
conference,
two
of
our
members,
chief
chief
Maynard
and
Lieutenant
Brown,
attended
the
FD
SOA
health
and
safety
conference
in
Saint
Pete,
as
conference
conference
had
over
300
attendees
from
FDNY
to
California
Seattle
Hawaii,
why
they
both
attended.
They
actually
attended
two-day
health
and
safety
officer
Academy.
AD
Both
these
individuals
are
already
State
Certified
health
and
safety
officers,
but
this
kind
of
this
particular
class
qualified
them
to
become
nationally
certified
pro-board
health
and
safety
officers.
And
it's
a
you
know.
Some
of
the
course
highlights
of
that
are
again
are
introduced
to
Emergency
Services,
occupational
safety,
Health,
specific
jobs
and
tasks,
risk
management,
pre-incident
safety
considerations,
post-incident
Stress,
Management.
All
things
that
we're
we're
looking
to
improve
on
some
of
the
recent
training
courses.
AD
The
big
one
is
our
trailer
and
training
operations
on
July
12
2022.
We
announced
the
establishment
of
the
trailer
committee
to
research
and
develop
an
SOG
for
trailers
and
Towing
on
27th
of
July.
The
committee
was
created
and
contained
members
of
all
ranks.
That's
one
thing
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
is
covering
all
ranks
a
draft
SOG
was
created,
and
the
committee
began
discussions
with
the
FWC,
the
Florida
Wildlife
Commission.
AD
That's
one
of
the
agencies
in
the
area,
one
of
the
big
things
we
started,
looking
at
at
SOG
specific
to
trailers
very
far
and
few
between
in
the
fire
service
as
a
whole.
We
found
that
the
FWC,
by
the
nature
of
what
they
do
trailing
boats,
bear
cans,
all
kinds
of
things
where
they
operate
with
trailers
on
significant
on
a
constant
basis.
We
thought
it
would
be
good,
we
reach
out
to
them
and
they
have
a
very
robust
training
training
program
while
we're
waiting
for
this
to
come
to
fruition.
AD
Chrissy
fixel,
with
the
risk
management
also
pass
along
a
webinar
to
the
committee,
specifically
regarding
Trail
loader
and
transporting
because
of
this
train
and
trainer
opportunity,
we're
able
to
be
able
to
go
through
and
one
of
the
biggest
the
the
mem,
the
member
of
the
FDC
who
was
providing.
This
training
was
actually
deployed
to
the
Hurricanes,
so
we
had
to
wait
a
little
bit,
but
the
day
he
got
back
was
the
day
we
actually
were
able
to
perform
this
train
and
trainer
program.
AD
Basically,
you
know
understanding
that
understanding
too,
that
we
have
sent
our
entire
department
through
this
training,
but
it's
not
something
we're
forcing
on
people
either,
just
because
we
want
everyone
to
go
through
the
training
and
be
comfortable
with
hooking
up
a
trailer
or
in
certain
tasks,
but
just
because
you're
can
do
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
have
to
do
it
and
or
if
you're
not
competent,
we're.
AD
Certainly,
you
know
going
to
not
allow
you
to
do
that
that
perform
that
also
understanding,
just
because
we've
sent
everyone
through
this
training
doesn't
mean
that
the
services
based
on
those
trailers
are
going
to
come
right
back
into
Service
as
well,
so
more
training
is
going
to
be
coming
as
we
evaluate
and
Implement
these
specific
services.
AD
Everything
solves
for
the
fire
service
training
trainer
program
as
well.
This
this
last
week,
the
five
department
members
participated
in
training
at
our
training
center.
We
had
a
member
of
Orange
County's,
Special,
Operations
Team
come
out
and
train
our
Personnel.
This
individual
is
a
guru
when
it
comes
to
Sauce
everything
you
can
possibly
want
to
know
about
a
saw
how
to
operate.
He
knows
it
was
a
10
10
hour.
AD
Blended
lecture
and
Hands-On
class
and
It
prepares
our
department
instructors
to
be
able
to
pass
on
that
information
to
to
the
rest
of
our
firefighters
and
something
we're
going
to
be
implementing
very
soon
again.
AD
What
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
once
we
have
this
established
as
well.
Is
the
training
Chiefs
going
to
be
able
to
incorporate
now
Sauls
into
every
part
of
our
our
training
was
vertical?
Ventilations
VES
has
been
in
our
search,
it's
just
an
acronym
that
we
use
for
our
types
of
search,
we're
doing
bar
removals
and
softening
and
structuring
Etc.
AD
Traffic
incident
Management
Systems
again,
our
new
higher
orientation
participated
in
this.
We
actually
had
a
district
Chief,
who
was
a
trained
and
trainer
in
this
already
came
to
us
and
said:
hey
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
idea
to
implement
for
the
whole
department.
Again,
it's
been
a
few
years
since
we've
we've
done
it.
So
through
this
process
he
actually
was
able
to
meet
and
one
of
the
interesting
things
you
know
what
we
learned
was.
The
road
Rangers
is
a
big
part
of
this
actually
come
out
of
Cooper's
Commerce.
AD
This
is
very
local
to
us,
so
we
have
a
Direct
Connect
Now
with
that
we're
even
looking
at
ways
to
implement
them
into
our
dispatch
and
traffic
incident
management
deals
with
Highway
responses
and
things
like
that
to
make
sure
that
our
members
are
safe
and
again
working
in
or
near
traffic
again,
this
program
is
scheduled
to
be
taught
to
an
entire
fire
department
annually.
That's
something
we're
rolling
out
right
now,
along
with
all
this
stuff.
AD
You
know
something
I
wanted
to
kind
of
pass
on
to
the
to
the
council
and
to
the
public
on
September
22nd
of
this
year.
AD
I
signed
us
our
department
up
to
be
a
registered
agency
with
the
cpsc,
which
is
Center
for
Public
Safety
Excellence,
one
of
the
biggest
things
I
think
that
I
want
to
do
in
the
future
is
move
forward
and
get
accredited
I.
Think
accreditation
has
a
lot
of
value
for
a
department.
I
think
other
things
to
reached
out
to
is
the
commission
on
accreditation
of
analysis
Cass.
AD
Both
of
these
things
are
going
to
help
us
not
only
get
to
the
future
but
help
us
reevaluate
on
an
annual
basis
and
keep
that
that
cycle
going
and
one
more
thing
I
do
have
want
to
introduce
one
of
the
new
members
of
our
staff
who's.
Here
today,
Chris
candy
stand
up
he's
our
new
yeah.
AD
These
are
new
EMS
quality
assurance
specialist.
We
actually
grabbed
him
from
Orlando
fire
department,
which
is
sorry
Orlando,
but
excited
to
have
them.
He
is
doing
an
excellent
job
so
far,
the
first
four
weeks
we're
getting
a
lot
of
information
from
him.
You
know
statistics
we're
going
to
use
moving
forward
and
want
to
use
this
for
our
accreditation
processes
and
as
well
as
improving
our
all
of
our
responses
when
it
comes
to
EMS.
So
that's
Chris,
and
with
that.
J
I
know
that
first
of
all,
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
the
time
that
you
did
give
each
of
us
to
go
over
this
new
safety
training
that
you
have
put
together
and,
as
I
mentioned
to
you,
I
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
detail
and
how
you
are
moving
forward
with
the
new
firefighters
and
it's
from
the
very
start,
rather
than
you
know,
kind
of
dealing
with.
J
Oh,
we
just
realized,
they
didn't
understand
something,
but
from
the
very
start
to
to
train
them
and
for
them
to
understand
what
their
where
their
job
duties
are
so
and
that
I
will
say
you
know.
Thank
you
very
much
for
doing
that
now.
What
I'm
concerned
with,
though,
is
we
have
15
new
that
are
being
trained
right
now
and
I
I,
believe
you
told
me
that
they're
scheduled
to
kind
of
graduate
and
go
on
to
the
different
fire
stations
by
the
end
of
March
yeah.
J
D
J
Mean
all
around
I
know
that
commissioner
Nesta
has
made
several
trips
to
station
four
because
I've
made
you
know,
I've
made
three
and
and
that's
really
in
bad
condition.
I
didn't
realize
station
five
was
having
some
issues.
D
D
J
Ma'am
yeah
that
one
they've
kind
of
outgrown
what
they
you
know,
know
that
person
out
there
too,
of
course,
so
we
we
have
some
issues
with
the
station
houses.
So
if
we
can
work
something,
we
have
all
this
time
sure
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
major
you
know
problems
that
we're
having
there.
You
know
with
the
structures,
that's
important
to
me.
AD
Yeah
absolutely
first,
you
know
I
would
be
remiss
without
thinking
my
staff,
because
you
know
all
this
stuff
we're
talking
about
they've.
These
guys
been
working
their
tails
off
to
to
get
a
lot
of
this
accomplished.
So
it's
it's
a
group
effort
for
sure
and
specific
to
the
stations.
I'm
gonna
actually
have
a
chief
Manor.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
speak
to
that,
we've
been
working
with
facilities
and
maintenance
to
work
on
some
of
this.
Z
Good
afternoon,
like
Chief
said
we
have
been
working
with
facilities.
I
just
did
completed
in
November
stations,
one
through
six,
quarterly
inspections
and
I
have
a
list
of
all
the
deficiencies
that
we
have
for
those
stations
and
I've
been
working
with
AJ
from
facilities
to
get
those
taken
care
of
I
know.
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
is
a
mold
and
air
quality
testing.
We
have
that
on
the
list
to
get
done
for
all
six
stations
working
with
him
on
that,
so
anytime,
a
repair
or
request
comes
in.
Z
We
put
that
through
a
spreadsheet
and
get
those
into
facilities
and
work
on
those,
and
also
the
inspections
that
we've
done
at
those
stations
have
that
list
and
Emma
and
I
have
been
working
together
since
November
on
those
we
have
an
actual
way.
He
has
a
market
board
in
his
office.
I
have
a
spreadsheet
in
mind
and
we
work
on
once
they're
completed.
We
knock
those
off
the
list
so
and
I'd
love
to
sit
down
with
you
guys
and
show
you
that
list
next
meeting.
If
you'd
like.
J
And
the
other
thing
with
the
safety
training
I
know
that
we're
starting
out
with
the
15
new.
But
how
are
we
incorporating
any
of
the
safety
training
with
the
existing
firefighters?
How
are
we
kind
of
incorporating
them
into
this
into
this
training
program
again.
AD
You
know
you
know:
Chief
Knapp
wants
to
come
up
and
speak
that
doesn't
look
like
he
does,
but
you
know
this
is
something
we're
we're
revamping
our
entire
training
program.
You
know
something
that
Chief
Knapp
has
looked
at,
and
else
he's
broken
down.
Training
specific
one
of
the
things
with
with
safety
in
mind.
AE
Good
afternoon,
when
I
first
started
back
in
October,
I
decided
that
we
needed
to
figure
out
where
we
were
as
a
fire
department,
and
we
did
some
scenarios
and
figured
out
where
we
lacked
on
force
and
entry
pulling
hose
doing
all
these
other
things
that
are
I
would
say
the
minimum
requirements
on
fires.
AE
So,
as
we
went
through
our
our
training,
we
kind
of
said
set
up
a
a
system
or
a
schedule
where,
on
Monday
station,
two
would
train
from
nine
to
eleven
give
them
a
full
two
hours
to
train
without
having
to
run
calls.
So
we
kind
of
took
him
out
of
service,
give
them
the
two
hours
that
they
would.
AE
They
would
train
on
Wednesday
or
Tuesday
of
station
three
Wednesdays
four
and
six
Thursdays
five
and
on
Friday
station
one
so
going
through
all
these
scenarios
we
kind
of
came
up
with
some
of
the
things
that
we
were
lacking
on
pulling
hose.
We
just
changed
our
hose
loads,
so
we
had
to
come
back
and
once
they
go
back
to
the
the
basics.
Is
the
key
word
but
hit
the
basics
of
what
we
kind
of
determined
we're
on
fire?
So
we
kind
of
started
with
that.
AE
The
last
three
months
have
been
going
kind
of
over
all
of
that
on
those
days
and
this
month
we're
going
over
writ
training,
which
is
a
rapid
intervention
teams
which
are
the
firefighters
that
are
outside
of
a
fire
that,
when
a
firefighter
gets
in
trouble,
they'll
go
in
and
kind
of
set
the
situation
see
if
they
can
get
them
out
next
month,
we're
going
to
go
over
mayday
training.
Both
of
these
are
for
getting
our
own
people
out
of
fire.
AE
So
Mayday
training
is
going
to
be
how
they
they
call
for
help
there's
a
specific
way.
You
need
to
do
it,
it's
not
just
screaming
for
help
on
a
on
a
radio.
You
want
to
mayday
mayday
mayday,
and
then
you,
you
kind
of
catch
the
ear
of
the
command
and
then
there's
jprs.
We
were
talking
about
I'm,
getting
ready
to
send
out
five
of
them.
AE
They
have
to
deal
with
pulling
hose
catching
a
hydrant,
forcing
the
door
throwing
a
ladder
and
doing
a
search
and
throughout
April
that's
what
we're
going
to
go
over.
So
it's
kind
of
I
gotta
take
care
of
these
15
new
people
and
the
ones
that
are
out
of
the
119
that
are
already
out
there.
So
that's
just
something
that
I've
been
working
on
for
the
next
three
months.
AE
E
N
Don't
think
I
have
anything
at
dad,
just
thanks
to
chief
knappen
chief
Maynard
for
welcoming
me
through
the
presentation
on
Monday.
B
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
was
impressed
with
what
was
presented
and
just
look
forward
to
being
implemented
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
developed
the
schedule
for
the
new
hires
that
they're
partnered
with
some
seasoned
firefighters
as
well,
that
we
don't
have
a
complete
staff
of
new
hires,
that's
stationed
at
one
time.
Oh.
AD
K
I
just
want
to
say,
welcome
to
Chris
candy
congrats
I'm
glad
we
stole
you
from
Orlando
I'm
kind
of
working
back
on
my
questions.
The
conference
that
Lieutenant
Brown
Chief
Maynard
went
to
was
that
do
we
have
budgets
for
that
built
in
that
that
funds
that
we.
AD
K
Yeah
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
finding
that
well
that
it's
not
a
disincentive
to
go
to
those
that
it's
well
available
and
and
obviously
a
value-add
for
us
I
kind
of
have
more
specific
questions.
I
shared
a
lot
of
these
on
Monday
and
I.
Just
didn't
the
we
have
a
lot
of
multi-family
projects
coming
up.
Do
we
have
like
a
specific
training
program?
For
that
I
mean
we
probably
have
I,
don't
know
how
many
thousands
of
units
coming
in
so
yeah.
AD
That
was
that
was
actually
something
was
brought
up
during
during
some
of
our
talks
and
yeah.
He
doesn't
I,
don't
think
he
wants
to
come
back
up,
but
we,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
our
training
facility
is.
As
for
you
know,
four-story
training
facility.
We
actually
do
training
specifically
hooking
into
fdc's
multi-family
dwellings,
as
we
are
getting
a
lot
more
of
them.
AD
Obviously,
in
the
city
we
do
have
them
currently
in
the
city,
so
you
know
that's
something
we
do
train
on
on
a
regular
basis
as
far
as
our
responses
and
and
to
do
the
sort
of
things.
Okay,.
AD
Yeah,
the
warehouses,
those
are
you
know,
definitely
a
new
animal
for
us
and
something
that
the
chief
Knapp's
working
on
and
you
know
even
reaching
out
to
other
departments
who
are
used
to
those
sort
of
things
and
and
getting
some
information
and
cool.
K
The
we
just
got
rid
of-
and
we
just
approved
I-
think
it
was
the
last
major
meeting
before
it
was
the
meeting
before
I
think
the
first
one
of
January
getting
rid
of
that
mobile
training.
Tower.
We
don't
need
a
new
one
of
those
correct.
AD
Well,
so
I,
yes,
absolutely
something!
You
know
it's,
it's
not!
You
know
critical
per
se,
but
it's
something
that
we
do
utilize.
You
know
we
station.
It
was
out
at
station
five,
we
rotated
between
station
two
and
station
five.
We
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
use
and
something
I
will
be
asking
for
next
year
in
the
budget
to
replace
that.
N
AD
We
have
the
Gilliam
Training
Center
correct
and
it's
again
it's
not
a
critical
component,
but
it's
something
that
we
we
utilize
Public
Safety
day.
For
instance,
we
have
that
set
up
out
at
Jason
dwelling
for
for
not
only
us
but
the
police,
utilizing
it
it's
it's
a
resource.
You
know
that
we
can
rotate
between
stations
and
and
certainly
use
that
again.
O
K
It's
not
needed,
it's
a
want,
yeah,
okay,
and
are
you
guys
able
to
provide
we?
We
kind
of,
took
a
deeper
dive
in
this
at
our
meeting
just
and
we
you
just
high
level
we
and
what
you're
doing
to
address
Mental
Health
I
know
we
spoke.
We
took
a
much
deeper
dive,
but
just
kind
of
a
high
level
of
that
sure.
AD
Privacy
said
it
can
kind
of
there
are.
There
are
certainly
programs
in
place
that
are
available
to
our
all
of
our
firefighters,
UCF
for
stores
you
know,
being
one
of
the
bigger
bigger
programs.
That's
out
there.
AD
You
know
our
EPA
we've
even
increased
that
throughout
you
know
our
agreement,
our
grieving
process
with
our
firefighters
and
and
communicated
that
to
them.
So,
okay
and.
K
The
only
less
comment
is
the
gaining
report.
It's
a
critique
and
it's
supposed
to
make
us
a
little
uncomfortable
so
I
ask
that
you
guys
just
look
at
it
and
take
it
for
what
it
is.
It's
a
critique
sure
I
know,
I
mean
I
read
a
lot
of
the
rebuttals
that
were
put
in
there
and
I
get
it
it's
just
it's
critique.
It's
meant
to
hurt,
so
it's
meant
to
make
us
better.
B
S
E
Needed,
okay,
thank
you,
Chief
appreciate
it
and-
and
next
I
know
you're
we'll
try
to
do
this
on
a
monthly
basis.
Can
you
bring
up
I
know
we
had
the
the
25
or
23
items
that
that
the
I
guess
the
union
put
forward
that
they
wanted
to
address?
Can
we
maybe
kind
of
address
those
next
year?
Next
time
you
come
forward?
That
would
be.
That
would
be
awesome.
Sure.
E
Right,
Michael,
nothing
to
report
all
right
under
mayor's
report.
Yes,
going
back
to
the
the
Gan
report,
although
I
haven't
read
the
whole
report,
I've
spent
probably
four
hours
with
the
chief
going
line
by
line
to
make
sure
a
lot
of
things
in
the
game
report
like
they
didn't
even
know
that
we
had
there
were
there
were
protocols
on
the
internet
that
firefighters
have
to
check
off,
to
be
able
to
to
Quant
or
to
to
qualify,
they've
done
certain
training,
and
so
I'd
rather
go
through
it
one
time
and
do
it
right
than
speed.
E
Read
it
and
and
not
get
all
the
facts.
So
the
next
couple
days
we'll
get
through
the
whole
report
and
and
you'll
have
you
know
the
recommendations
and
and
what
what
we
need
to
change.
But
it's
interesting.
You
know
if
we
want
to
talk
about
again
and
I'll
I'll
say
this:
is
it
interesting
that
he
he's
willing
to
help
us
for
this
this?
This?
The
first
agreement
was
for
twenty
thousand
dollars,
but
now
he's
willing
to
help
us
for
150
000
per
year
for
three
years.
E
So
that's
what
he
thinks
we
need,
which
kind
of
sounds
out
of
line,
but
that's
that's
what
he
thinks
we
should
be
spending
so
anyway,
up
next
South
Apopka
annexation.
We
talked
about
that
will
and
to
commissioner
Smith's.
We
will
put
another
one
on
at
six
o'clock
or
somewhere.
Maybe
do
it
on
a
Wednesday
night
so
that
we
can
get
the
the
County
Commission
involved
as
well.
So
when.
E
E
Next
up,
we
had
a
the
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
joint
meeting
yesterday
and
it
was
it
wasn't
as
well
attended
as
our
first
one.
We
did.
The
first
one
we
did
was
just
City
bids
and
it
was,
it
was
about
I
think
we
had
about
150
at
the
last
one,
this
one
we
only
had
about
60,
but
we
were
talking
about
bids
for
not
only
City
contracts,
but
some
of
the
big
bigger
projects
we
have
in
within
the
city.
E
Next
up
we
talked
about
the
Kelly
Park
interchange,
form-based
code.
The
workshop
will
be
next.
Tuesday
February
7th
at
10
A.M,
be
a
two
hour
presentation,
we'll
have
the
developers
and
Pam
going
through
that
that
that
report-
and
we
have
the
Armando
borjas
golf
tournament.
This
Saturday
out
at
redtail
I
think
registration
starts
at
seven
and
I.
Think
T
times
are
eight
or
eight
thirty,
and
then
one
things
we
kind
of
brought
up.
E
You
know
yes,
it's
Black
History
Month,
and
so
we
will,
by
the
end
of
next
week
we
should
have
a
booklet
to
sell
which
will
will
highlight
our
28
black
leaders.
You
know
throughout
the
ages
that
we're
really
excited
about.
You
know
the
the
ayc
put
it
together,
along
with
City
staff
and
the
Apopka
Museum,
so
look
forward
to
having
that
we're
going
to
be
selling
that
at
City
Hall,
as
well
as
the
museum,
so
looking
forward
to
that
as
well.
So
with
that.