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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting January 5, 2022
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on January 5, 2022 at 1:30 PM.
To view the meeting agenda visit: http://www.apopka.net/agenda
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A
B
C
B
Fact
of
the
day
on
january,
7
1789
was
a
date
set
by
congress
for
states
to
choose
electors
for
the
county's
first,
ever
presidential
election.
A
month
later,
on
february,
the
4th
george
washington
was
elected
president
by
state
electors
as
part
of
the
electoral
college
system
and
sworn
into
office
on
april
30th,
1789.
A
All
right
I'd
like
to
thank
the
color
guard
here
for
helping
us
out
for
the
first
meeting
of
the
new
year.
Okay,
first
up
the
approval
of
minutes,
you
got
a
chance
to.
I
she's
got
there's
a
couple
of
corrections
we
needed
to
make,
but
what
I
asked
her
to
run
up
there
and
do
and
the
reason
she's
just
a
couple
minutes
late-
is
to
get
to
a
red
line.
So
you
know
the
differences
between
the
the
former
and
the
current.
C
D
A
To
edward,
if
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
A
D
Hello,
my
name
is
leroy
bell.
I
live
at
2308
blue
meadows
court
apopka
florida
on.
I
think
it
was
december.
The
15th
at
the
city,
councilman
meeting
the
mayor
read
a
proclamation
and
I
would
like
to
know
from
the
city
attorney
is
the
proclamation?
D
Is
it
our
executive
order
of
what
is
about
the
early
voting
that
the
mayor
decided
to
move
the
early
voting
to
one
day
back
over
to
earl
kate,
not
earl,
k,
wood,
but
what's
his
name
yeah,
the
electric
supervisor
bill
cows
and
we
think
that
that's
disenfranchisement
of
the
people
that
vote
here
in
apopka
early,
because
if
you
look
at
all
the
exit
polls
and
stuff,
you
showed
that
the
majority
of
the
low
and
moderate
income
people,
especially
the
elderly,
they
vote
on
that
day
because
they
don't
get
out
and
stand
in
long
lines.
D
I
thought
that
commissioner
smith
would
have
said
something
about
that,
because
he
have
an
agent,
a
group
of
people
that
he
represent
over
in
south
apopka,
and
we
think
that
early
voting,
if
it
be
moved
that
it
should
be
something
that
the
city
council
would
consider
if
it
was
a
vote.
D
D
D
A
F
In
the
special
election
runoff
that
we
had
in
the
sp
for
the
special
election
in
20
years,
right,
2020,
the
the
early
voting
was
also
held
at
the
supervisor
elections
office.
There
was
no
early
hope
there
are
no
precincts
specified
within
the
city
limits
for
early
voting
and
since
voting
is
handled
by
the
supervisor
of
elections.
This
is
probably
a
matter
to
be
taken
up
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
as
they
are
the
ones
that
administer
the
city's
elections
and
every
city's
elections
in
orange
county.
D
Well,
excuse
me,
and
I'm
not
going
to
let
you
dance
around
because
guess
what
the
city,
if
anybody
in
the
city
would
call
the
supervisor
election
like
I
did
bill
cowell
said
that
the
early
voting
wasn't
wasn't
a
decision
made
by
him.
It
was
decision
made
by
the
city
of
apopka
and
now
this
this
is
the
part
of
the
record
and
you're
going
to
sit
there
and
tell
me
that
it
don't
happen.
We
can
find
money.
D
We
can
find
money
in
the
city
budget
to
pay
you
a
salary
that
you
said
that
you
would
take
half
of.
We
can
take
city
money
and
give
to
your
friends
in
the
bank.
But
when
it
comes
to
people,
look
like
me,
we
can't
let
them
exercise
their
constitutional
right
here
in
the
city
of
apopka.
Why
disenfranchisement?
A
F
The
city
desires
to
to
to
basically
deal
with
to
work
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
to
establish
a
location
within
the
city
limits.
That
would
I
mean
they
could.
We
could
try
to
attempt
to
do
such
an
agreement.
However,
as
I
said,
the
the
last
runoff
election
we
had
early
voting
was
held
at
the
supervisor
elections
office,
but.
F
The
reason
why
I
gave
that
example
is
because
the
runoff
election
was
the
only
time
where
we
had
the
one
election
where
we
did
not
piggyback
our
city
election
with
a
statewide
general
election
in
2020
we
had
the
statewide
presidential
election
and
therefore
the
runoff
election
was
piggybacked
along
that,
so
any
any
specific
additional
early
voting
sites
that
the
supervisor
election
had
would
have
also
included
within
the
ballot
the
the
first
city's
election.
Then
we
had
the
runoff
where
the
city
of
apopka
was
the
only.
It
was
the
only
question
on
the
ballot.
F
So
therefore
there
was
we
did
not
get
to
piggyback
onto
the
other
early
voting
sites
and
the
city
had
to
run
its
own
early
voting
sites.
I
don't
know
what
other.
If
other
cities
have
worked
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
it
would
be
your
prerogative
whether
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
supervisor
elections
with
a
supervisor
to
provide
an
early
voting
site
within
the
city
limits.
Well,.
G
We
we've
run
early
voting
location
out
of
the
vfw
and
in
past
elections
I
mean
so
I
mean
that
seemed
like
it
would
be
an
obvious
spot.
It
does
seem-
and
I
know
in
years
past,
for
municipal
elections,
it's
been
the
same
fashion
where
you've
had
people
that
have
had
to
go
down
to
orlando,
but
if
we
want
to
encourage
the
most
people
to
be
part
of
the
civic
process,
it
doesn't
seem
logical
for
us
to
have
early
voting
period
where
you'd
have
to
go
to
orlando
for
our
apopka
residents.
G
A
We'll
we'll
reach
out
to
the
supervisor
elections
and
see
what
you
know
what
that
would
entail,
I'm
not
sure
with
our
notices.
The
other
thing
is,
we
have
to
be
careful.
We've
we've
got
the
notices
we've
already,
so
I
mean
it's
a
little
more
complicated
than
that
michael
I'll.
If
you'll
kind
of
look
at
the
legal
portion
of
that,
because
we've
already
set
the
early
voting
at
bill
cal's
office,
so
I
need
to
make
sure
that
we
can.
We
can
amend
that
agreement
or
amend
the
ordinance.
F
Well,
it
was
we
didn't
pass
by
order.
It
was
just
a
proclamation
proclamation
now
whether
we
can
vote
by
resolution
to
amend
the
date
as
long
as
we
meet
the
notice
requirement,
any
statutory
notice
requirements
that
we
are
within
that
time
frame
to
properly
notify
of
a
change
of
location
for
an
early
voting
times.
The
times
won't
change,
all
we'll
all
be
doing
is
moving.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
bring
it
back
next
council
meeting
and
then
we've
gotta,
I'm
glad
we'll
have
to
look
at.
You
know
a
budget
adjustment.
I
don't
know
where
I
mean
we
can
find
the
money,
that's
not
a
problem,
but
so
we
just
we
just
check
on
making
sure
we
got
the
legal
we're
in
legal
standing
there
to
make
that
make
that
change.
But
that's
fine,
I'm
I'm
good
with
that.
A
B
And
mayor,
let
me
just
say
that
four
years
ago,
when
we
had
the
elections
and
the
early
voting
was
downtown,
the
commission
supervised
election
office.
I
I
asked
why
we
did
not
have
an
election
here
in
the
state,
because
we
were
the
only
ones
on
the
ballot
and
that
whoever
the
surprise
election
was
at
that
time
said
that
only
time
that
they
do
early
voting
outside
of
that
is
when
there
are
other
individuals
on
the
ballot
like
in
a
general
election,
then.
A
J
J
J
Bradshaw
road
right
now
is
a
plain
downright
disgrace.
There's
trash
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
The
lift
station
stinks
to
iota
and
there's
no
excuse.
I
told
him
10
years
ago
to
put
charcoal
filters
on
those
things
and
get
them
cleaned
up.
So
people
around
the
area
didn't
have
to
smell
the
odor
of
the
effluent
all
the
time.
It's
ridiculous.
J
The
landscaping
around
the
lift
station
should
have
been
done
years
ago.
It's
a
disgrace.
You
can't
even
clean
it
up.
The
curtains
are
falling
down,
they're
protected.
It's
the
whole
thing
is
a
disaster
there's
trash
all
the
way
up.
Ccc
one
is
a
horrible
mess,
since
we
sold
it
the
your
code
enforcement
is
probably
the
worst
code.
I
don't
even
know
why
you're
paying
any
money
to
them.
They
don't
do
nothing.
J
So
I
mean
it's
absolutely
sickening
to
go
through
the
city,
and
I
know
you
guys
are
spending
all
the
money
out
in
west
apopka
because
that's
where
the
growth
is,
but
what
about
the
city?
What
about
this
city
downtown?
Here?
It's
horrible
all
the
way
everywhere.
You
know
the
the
landscaping
along
the
parkways
and
things
like
that
horrible.
J
I
had
miss
vasquez
out,
she
went
with
dev
and
we
showed
her
second
street
second
street's
a
disaster
too.
I
mean
where's
your
code
enforcement.
This
is
downtown,
people
need
to
clean
up,
and
you
go
into
my
area
and
it's
a
very
nice
looking
area
any
area
I
ever
had
now
that
I
sewed
it.
It
all
seems
to
go
into
pot
because
nobody's
doing
anything
they
sit
on
their
asses
and
do
nothing
when's.
The
last
time
you
guys
all
drove
around
the
city
of
apopka
to
look
at
it.
Look
at
downtown
wait
a
minute.
J
J
Is
just
so
bad
there's
three
big
chuck
holes
in
it
and
some
wonder
if
somebody
hadn't
sent
you
a
bill
for
realignment.
All
first
street
needs
to
be.
I
don't
know
who's
handling
your
streets
and
services,
but
they
don't
do
a
very
good
job.
All
the
way
down
to
marshall
lake
road.
For
10
years,
I've
asked
people
to
give
us
lights
and
to
redo
the
loading
road
and
bring
it
up
to
fdot
standards.
It's
felon
fell
on
deaf
ears.
J
Also
in
the
newspaper
you
said
all
the
roads
you're
going
to
fix.
He
didn't
say
anything
about
1st
street
2nd
street
marshall
lake.
Why
you
guys
are
getting
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
worth
of
taxes
a
year
we've
paid
over
a
million
and
a
half
to
two
million
dollars
in
in
impact
fees
for
roads.
J
J
You
know,
and
since
you've
been
in
here,
we
haven't
had
any
good
fortunes
either
and
I
begged
you
guys
to
put
lights
and
do
something
with
marshall
lake.
You
haven't
done
anything
why?
Why
don't
we
get
anything
for
the
money
we
paid
millions
of
dollars
in
impact
fees,
so
we've
got
nothing
for
it:
you're
spending,
all
the
money
out,
west
and
so
on.
We
don't
get
nothing
and
that's
a
shame
to
have
a
customer
like
me
and
I'm
a
customer
that
pays
I
buy
from
you
people,
you
do
nothing
for
us,
nothing.
J
It's
just
a
homeless.
I've
got
seven
million
dollars
worth
of
work
going
right
now
at
the
railroad
track
on
two
three
projects
they've
got
4j's
is
bringing
in
80
people.
It's
a
brand
new
project.
It's
three
million
dollar
project
right
across
the
street.
The
homeless
people
are
sitting
there
they're
all
over
there,
and
I
asked
months
and
months
ago
to
have
it
cleaned
up.
Nothing's
been
done.
I
was
told
by
one
of
your
officials
here
that
they
had
knew
somebody
in
the
csx
and
they
would
take
care
of
this.
J
Nothing
happened
and
they're
still
there,
we've
got
a
two
million
dollar
project
going
right
now
right
this
minute
and
the
homeless
people
are
living
right
there.
They
don't
clean
up
anything.
I
don't
know
why
you
don't
do
something
about
the
homeless.
People
give
them
30
days
to
get
out
of
there
and
then
come
in
and
clean
it
up,
get
them
get
them
out
of
there.
Let
them
go
someplace
else
outside
the
city.
J
Ten
years
ago
I
told
the
mayor
at
that
time
that
I
was
willing
to
put
up
a
house
for
him
and
build
a
nice
house
with
10
or
15
rooms
where
they
could
have
a
place
to
live.
They
didn't
want
them
in
the
city.
I
was
told:
don't
do
that
cooper
because
it's
in
the
city,
we
don't
want
to
homeless
in
the
city,
so
I'll,
let
it
go
by
the
wayside.
A
J
J
That's
all
bring
it
up
to
fdot
standards
like
you
should
there's
semis
going
up
and
down
marshall
lake
when
they
turn
out
of
ours.
The
road
is
so
small
they're
cutting
across
into
the
medium
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
there's
another
project.
I
hear
that's
going
to
go
on
the
other
side
of
our
lake
gym
project.
Okay,.
A
J
You
know
mayor
I'm
going
to
tell
you
this.
I've
heard
this
time
and
time
and
time
again
and
it
just
doesn't
do
anything.
You
know,
and
I
wish
you
would
get
your
code
enforcement
to
do
something
too.
You
got
houses
around
here
that
got
boarded
up
windows
on
them.
Why
don't
you
get
them
out
of
here
clean
the
place
up,
spend
some
time
in
your
home
in
your
town,
every
one
of
you
up
there
go
around
the
town
and
look
and
see
what
you
need
to
get
it
cleaned
up.
G
Mr
cooper,
I
want
to
I
want
to
address
that.
I
want
to
address
someone
because
I
did
and
during
I
said
I
have-
and
I
did,
and
during
budget
workshops
that
gets
construed
as
I'm
grandstanding,
because
I'm
going
around
and
taking
inventory
of
the
stuff
that
you're
talking
about
here
and
and
it's
and
it's
valid,
you
bring
valid
points,
there's
areas
of
our
city
that
are
very
depressed
and
they
don't
need
to
be.
J
Commissioner
becker,
you
might
be
right,
but
I've
talked
about
this.
It's
not
just
you,
it's
not
just
mayor.
It's
not
none
of
you
other
people,
it's
because
you
don't
get
anything
done.
You
talk
about
it
and
you're
very
good
at
talking,
but
when
it
comes
to
doing
something
you
don't
get
it
done.
You
ask
me
to
do
something
for
you,
you
you
you.
I
will
do
it
and
I
will
have
it
done
immediately
because
that's
the
type
of
person
I
am
and
when
you
come
to
landscaping,
you're
cleaning
things
up.
J
J
I
Thank
you
well,
mr
cooper,
thank
you
for
coming
in.
I
appreciate
that
you
came
in
because
you
know
when
I
took
that
ride
with
with
debbie.
I
did
make
a
list
and
I
did
provide
the
list,
and
I
said
these
are
some
of
his
concerns,
and
but
I'm
I'm
happy
that
you
came
in
today,
I'm
happy
that
you
came
and
voiced
what
you
have
been
voicing
from
the
very
beginning,
and
I
have
gone
to
see
debbie
a
couple
of
times
and
she
has
given
me
some.
I
You
know
real
issues
that
are
there
and
I
have
brought
them
into
the
city.
There's.
J
J
You
are
not
doing
their
job,
they
need
to
go.
I
mean
sitting
in
a
meeting,
doesn't
do
anything
you
get
out
and
you
work
the
streets.
I
work
the
streets.
I've
worked
the
streets,
all
my
life
from
cleveland
to
chicago
to
new
york,
to
philadelphia
to
san
francisco.
I
know
what
it's
like:
it's
not
my
first
job,
so
I
see
this
every
day
and
yes,
I
thank
you
for
coming
out.
But
again
you
went
back
and
talked
to
people
and
what
happened
to
it
fell
on
deaf
ears.
E
Mayor
can
I
make
a
comment
sure
so
I'd
like
to
address
a
few
of
those
things,
because
I've
worked
with
mr
cooper
on
many
occasions
and
the
staff
as
well,
and
we
have
been
looking
at
marshall
lake
for
lights,
for
marshall
we've
been
looking
on
that
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
did
change
all
of
the
lights
on
bradshaw
to
led
lights.
So
that's
a
lot
nicer
now,
because
bradshaw's
lit
up
a
lot
better
with
at
night
and
second
street.
E
If
you
recall,
came
up
in
our
study-
and
I
think
it's
in
our
second
year,
I'm
almost
positive
in
our
second
year-
we've
done
a
two-year
review
with
our
our
public
works
director.
Who
is
an
expert
in
in
road
improvement?
So
you
know
we
have
somebody
on
staff.
That's
really
good
with
that,
and
I
think
second
street,
I'm
almost
I'm
positive.
The
second
street
is,
is
it
will
be
re-serviced
it's
in
the
plan
to
be
resurfaced
next
year,
no
next
year
and
this
not
22
and
23
budget.
E
So
it's
on
the
list,
because
we
had
an
independent
study
for
that.
We
had
some
flooding
issues
in
that
area.
That
we've
had
to
address
so
that
project's
a
little
more
extensive,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
take
care
of
the
flooding
before
we
just
resurface
it.
So
you
know
those
are
we
have
we
I
just
want.
You
know
you
to
know
the
council
to
know
that
we
have
been
working
with
through
a
lot
of
these
issues.
You
know
so,
and
I
know
that
our
code.
A
E
A
A
So
what
I
do
just
just
so
you
you
understand,
I
I
asked
susan
to
add.
I
had
the
comments
from
the
lady
steele
bailey,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
my
my
comments
back
to
her
were
included
that
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
pertinent
information
for
the
the
minutes
to
be
as
presented
so
anyway.
Anybody
else
have
any
questions
concerns
if
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
regular
council
meeting
minutes
of
december
15th
in
the
city
council
workshop
meeting
of
december
15th.
A
K
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
bobby
hall
planning
manager.
The
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
a
major
development
plan
for
a
262
unit
apartment
complex
located
at
2828
uber
farms.
Road,
the
property
is
17.48
acres
in
size.
It
is
accessed
by
a
one
gated
access
point
that
is
located
on
binyan
road
and
one
access
point
on
hooper
farms.
Road
turn
lanes
are
provided
leading
into
the
site.
As
part
of
the
project
improvements,
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
construct
a
230
foot
northbound
right
turn
lane
leading
from
harmon
road
to
south
benion
road.
K
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
12-foot
wide
multi-purpose
trail
along
south
benion
road,
which
will
connect
the
existing
12-foot
wide
multi-purpose
trail
as
currently
along
south
banyan
road.
That's
located
along
the
vistas
at
water's
edge
frontage
of
that
subdivision.
So
it'll
connect
into
that
trail.
That's
there.
K
K
The
development
review
committee
recommends
approval.
The
planning
commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
addison
farms.
Multi-Family
major
development
plan
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
K
K
K
H
I
do
have
a
question
for
you
michael.
I
just
realized
this
looking
at
this,
mr
hooper
david's
father,
I
had
performed
his
funeral
back
over
a
year
ago
and
they
had
made
a
donation
to
our
church
and
because
I'm
voting
on
this
is
that
an
an
issue
I
mean
I
didn't
even
think
about.
So
I
saw
his
name
here.
C
I
C
F
So
it's
tenuous
at
best,
it
would
be
the
equivalent
of
if
you're,
a
commissioner
and
you're
a
shop
owner
and
the
applicant
has
come
in
and
actually
purchased
something
from
your
shop
and
it's
there's
no
conflict
of
interest
because
you
don't
have
an
interest
in
the
property,
the
actual
property.
That's
the
subject
matter
before
you.
H
F
There,
no,
there
is,
I
mean,
there's
no
direct
quid
pro
quo
and
there's
no
real
financial
ties
to
the
decision
made
here
into
it.
Now,
if
you
wish
to
recuse
yourself
from
the
vote,
you'll
have
to
submit
the
state
paperwork
and
describe
the
the
conflict
of
interest.
If
you
wish
to
do
so,
but
there
that
there
is
a
conflict
of
interest,
you
don't
have
a
financial
interest
at
stake
in
the
decision
of
this
of
this
property.
H
A
B
F
Good
afternoon,
michael
rodriguez
city
attorney
the
settlement
agreement
before
you
is
related
to,
if
you
recall
several
months
ago,
this
was
a
matter
that
was
initially
presented
to
the
planning
commission
for
a
special
exception
to
operate
a
tobacco
shop
within
the
downtown
zoning
district,
the
mud,
sorry
blank
for
a
second.
F
The
decision
of
the
planning
commission
was
to
approve
the
special
exception
and
then,
as
part
of
the
rendition
letter,
there
was
conditions
imposed
which
restricted
the
sale
of
the
items
to
basically
prohibit
vaping,
vape,
related
products
and
kratom
related
products.
The
applicant
then
appealed
the
matter
to
the
city
council.
You
heard
the
matter
before
you
and
your
decision
by
on
a
3-2
vote,
was
to
affirm
the
decision
of
the
planning
commission.
The
applicant
then
subsequently
filed
a
it's,
not
necessarily
an
action,
but
they
they
decided
to
proceed
forward.
Appealing
the
decision
appealing.
F
F
The
first
step
under
the
act
is
that
the
parties
have
to
immediately
have
to
conduct
mediation
to
see
if
they
can
come
up
with
a
settlement
to
the
matter.
The
city
and
the
applicant
conducted
a
mediation
on
in
december
december
16th,
if
I
recall,
and
at
the
mediation
parties
entered
into
a
settlement
agreement.
Now
as
it
is
with
any
florida
governmental
entity
settled
the
a
intermediation
mediation,
the
local
government
cannot
settle
the
matter
on
the
spot.
F
The
matter
what
is
done
is
basically
it's
a
conditional
settlement
that
has
to
be
brought
forward
to
the
city
council
for
approval.
At
a
at
an
open
sunshine
meeting,
and
that's
what's
presented
to
you
before
you
today,
staff
agreed
to
the
parties
agreed
to
amend
the
language
in
the
land
development
code
to
both
clarify
and
bring
the
city's
language
consistent
with
the
statutory
defined
terms
for
the
items
that
were
in
question.
F
In
a
way
that
it
would
resolve
the
situation
but
also
clarify
it
for
any
other
applicants
going
forward,
so
what
the
parties
agreed
and
staff
agreed
was
that
we
would
present
as
part
of
a
settlement
agreement,
that
the
city
would
amend
their
land
development
code
to
bring
its
definition
of
tobacco
in
line
with
the
statutory
definitions
and
further
that
our
definition
would
also
when
the
state
amends
the
definition
of
the
tabat
of
the
main
language
we
use
where
the
tobacco
products
and
tobacco
and
get
the
language
correct.
F
My
ipad's
not
changing
pages
right,
so
it's
the
what
the
state
calls
nicotine
dispensing
devices.
F
F
We
are
basically
cross-referencing
and
directly
relating
our
definitions
to
the
state's
definitions
for
these
products.
This
would
allow
us
to
not
have
to
necessarily
run
afoul
of
any
potential
preemption
and
also,
as
is
what's
most
disconcerting
to
me,
is
what's
coming
down
the
pike
from
the
florida
legislature
when
it's
coming
to
their
their
current
proposed
bill,
which
is
basically
going
to
render
any
decisions
to
cities.
That
in
question
is
any
type
of
regulation
or
ordinances
that
may
affect
businesses.
F
This
this
way
we
are
consistent
with
the
state
and
and
it's
going
to
resolve
the
situation.
Should
this
settlement
agreement
not
be
adopted
by
the
city
council
today,
the
matter
will
then
go
back
before
the
mediator.
Who
present,
who
was
a
mediator
in
our
case,
will
then
become
a
special
magistrate
who
will
hear
the
case,
and
we
will
then
have
to
present
our
evidence
and
present
our
cases.
Then
the
magistrate
will
then
render
a
recommendation
or
a
decision
which
would
then
that
decision
would
be
something
that
would
then
work
its
way
forward
in
the
courts.
F
One
of
the
conditions
that
came
up
at
the
the
staff
level
when
it
was
presented
for
the
planning
commission
was
the
prohibition
of
the
sale
of
kratom.
The
issue
with
kratom
is
kratom
is
not
regulated
by
the
state
at
all.
It
doesn't
fall
within
its
within
the
tobacco
regulations.
So
therefore,
it
is
an
unregulated
commercial
substance
which
the
city,
in
order
for
the
city
to
to
to
do
any
prohibitions
that
sale
we
would
have
to
pass
an
ordinance
to
regulate
such
a
such
a
product.
F
I
don't
know
of
any
other
local
government
that
has
gone
that
far
to
regulate
specific
products.
Those
are
products
that
are
sold
on
commercial
uses,
they're,
not
fda,
regulated
they're,
not
fda
approved.
F
F
So,
with
all
these
things
now
in
mind,
that's
the
settlement.
The
party's
entered
into
once
this
settlement
agreement.
If
adopted,
the
amendment
to
the
ldc
will
be
presented
to
drc
and
then
planning
commission
and
then
back
to
the
city
council
for
your
final
approval.
Just
as
we
would
any
other
ordinance
amending
the
land
development
code
available
for
any
questions.
Any.
I
I'm
sorry
in
layman,
terns
terms,
I
understood
what
he
wanted
to
sell
before
and
we
were
kind
of
splitting
hairs.
What
can
he
sell
now.
F
He's
going
he's
going
to
be
able
to
sell
those
products
regulated
by
the
state,
so
those
vaping
products,
if
they're
nicotine
delivery
dispensing
devices,
those
are
regulated
by
the
state,
so
he
would
be
able
to
sell
those
now.
Okay
and
any
tobacco
shops
in
the
city
would
now
also
include
those
devices
as
long
as
they
meet
the
state
definition
for
what
they
are,
they
would
then
be
permissibly
to
be
sold
in
tobacco
shops.
I
F
F
F
That
goes,
the
state
defines
that
not
just
to
include
the
sale
of
tobacco
leaves,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
smoke
shops
that
will
sell
the
rolling
papers
or
to
make
your
own
cigarettes.
Those
fall
under
that
state
definition.
So
now
it
clarifies
that
so
that
brings
us
in
line
with
the
state's
definition
to
allow
those
tobacco
products
and
those
ancillary
products
relating
to
tobacco
to
be
sold,
and
it
makes
it
clear
because
our
prior
code
wasn't
exactly
clear
whether
those
types
of
products
could
or
cannot
be
sold.
F
I
I
I
F
So
I
wasn't
aware
until
today
that
we
pulled
this
off
of
consent.
I
I
did
advise
count
their
counsel.
If,
if
it
was
going
to
be
an
issue,
we
were
going
to
remove
enough
consent,
they
could
be
here
it's
because
I
just
found
out
today
that
this
was
off
of
consent,
but
I
don't
I'm
advocating,
as
alongside
the
applicant
for
the
approval
of
the
of
the
settlement
agreement
recommending
for
the
approval
of
the
settlement
agreement
as
both
parties.
We
both
negotiated
this
at
a
in
the
mediation.
C
F
That
also
assisted
by
the
time
this
got
to
mediation.
We
had
just
adopted
our
glitch
bill
amendment,
which
removed
the
definition
of
vape
and
hookah
lounges
and
remove
those
from
the
mdu
and
from
the
land
development
code
altogether
and
created
that
definition
of
a
cigar
bar
the
owner
was
actually
quite
excited
over.
That
prospect
of
the
potential
of
he
can
actually
expand
his
use
to
to,
in
addition
to
the
tobacco
shop,
to
have
a
cigar
bar,
which
would
be
a
destination
and
also
a
social
destination
in
in
downtown.
F
There
are
many
other
cities
that
have
these
and
are
actually
quite
attractive
destinations
for
for
things
to
do
at
night.
I'm
just
I've
partaken
in
these
things,
when
I'm
down
in
south
florida.
A
I
C
H
Okay
again,
I
have
very
concerned
very
great
concern
for
what
this
is
doing
and
where
it's
steering
us
that's.
My
concern
is
the
long
term.
Is
this
basically
hamstringing
us
from
steering
the
character
of
the
nature
of
our
city
and
what
we
want
to
see
develop?
Let
me
just
read:
I
just
wrote
down
my
thoughts
here,
I'm
very
concerned
regarding
the
nature
of
ordinance
changes.
I
believe
this
would
steer
the
character
of
the
downtown
district
in
a
direction
that
is
not
best
for
the
city
and
I'll
stand
in
favor.
H
H
If
we're
in
error,
I'd
be
more
in
favor
to
the
possible
negotiation
of
recompensing
laws
than
changing
the
ordinance
which
opens
the
door
to
other
things,
negative
to
our
downtown
development
and
city
image
and
the
direction
which
includes
a
family-friendly
atmosphere.
This
is
in
no
way
personal
to
our
applicant,
who
was
very
nice
man.
H
We
had
lunch
together
and
we
talked
about
these
things
and
my
explanation
at
that
point
was
for
me
and
my
perspective:
a
stands
next
to
b
b
stands
next
to
c,
but
that
doesn't
automatically
mean
a
and
c
go
together
and
I
feel
like
the
nature
of
some
of
our.
You
know,
because
we
talked
about
what's
already
there
and
you
know
and-
and
I
think
had
there
been
clarity
he
and
has
he
expressed
to
me.
I
might
have
chosen
a
different
route.
H
So
it's
unfortunate
that
that
lack
of
clarity
was
there
and
again
I'm
willing
to
say
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
that
right,
I'm
open
to
it,
but
I'm
concerned
that
going
this
route
with
ordinance
leaves
us
more
open,
because
what's
next
to
see
is
d
well
d
could
be
a
tattoo
parlor.
Do
they
have
the
right
then
to
come
in
in
an
area
that
if
we
go
back
to
the
vision
of
the
downtown
area,
it
was
supposed
to
be
very
much
of
a
public
walking
shopping,
dining
family
oriented
ambiance.
H
So
I'm
not
you
know.
I've
got
a
lot
of
things
listed.
I
could
pass
these
out
with
different
websites
of
my
concerns.
My
main
concern
is
the
vaping
and
because
I've
dealt
so
much
with
youth
and
deal
with
those
issues,
there
there's
a
strong
concern
for
that
I'll
read
a
little
bit
more.
My
great
concern
is
the
terrible
negative
impact
it
has
on
our
children
and
statistically,
it's
devastating
as
vape
is
marketed
to
children
has
become
a
draw
to
them.
H
Unfortunately,
it's
not
regulated
as
tobacco
and
alcohol
have
been
regulated
to
protect
children
and
young
people.
It's
a
new
emerging
thing
and
again
they're
there.
This
is
still
part
of
the
argument.
It's
something
that
still
our
society
is
still
grappling
with.
How
do
we
address
this?
And
basically
you
know
several
websites
that
I
put
down
here.
Concerns
are
toxic
metals,
nickel,
lead,
chromium,
tin
and
aluminum.
This
is
specifically
for
vaping
the
highly
addictive
nicotine
levels,
creating
cravings
and
other
addictive
symptoms.
It
can
contain
acrolein,
which
can
cause
irreversible
lung
damage
hand.
H
H
Everyone,
including
older
adults,
should
refrain
from
using
all
e-cigarettes
and
vape
products,
says
brian
king
deputy
director
for
the
research
translation
of
the
office
on
smoking
and
health
at
the
centers
for
disease
control,
reports
of
severe
breathing
problems
and
deaths
related
to
vaping
begin
to
surface
in
late
summer
and
have
now
soared
to
1299
confirmed
cases
of
vaping-related
illness.
There
have
been
33
confirmed,
deaths
as
of
october
17th.
This
was
2019.,
roughly
half
of
them,
and
people
over
age
50.
H
You
know
we
learn
as
we
go,
and
sometimes
we
don't
know
it
until
it
happens,
and
the
opiate
issues
that
we've
faced
in
this
last
century
is
something
that
now
we're
grappling
with
and
kind
of,
reversing
I'm
not
a
proponent
of
limiting
personal
liberty
that
doesn't
harm
others,
but
I'm
a
proponent
of
regulating
such
to
safeguard
the
young
and
vulnerable,
as
we
have
always
already
done
in
other
areas
of
industry,
including
alcohol
and
tobacco,
I'm
concerned
about
the
long-term
direction
and
character
of
our
city
that
our
decision
makes
thus
I'm
in
favor
of
holding
our
present
ordinance
and
seeking
other
options
for
remedy
for
and
with
nerium
global.
H
So
again,
this
is
not
a
personal
issue.
My
big
concern
is
where
is
it
steering
us?
Where
does
c
lead
to,
where
does
d
go
and
our
I
just
want
to
look
at
it
from
the
legal
aspect.
I
know
that's
what
you're
presenting
and
I
appreciate
that
work,
but
is
it
compromising
something
that
alleviates
this
problem
but
opens
a
door
to
other
problems?
That's
what
I'm
concerned
about.
F
Well,
and
just
as
a
way
of
response-
and
this
is
more
of
a
big
picture-
because
it's
not
really
related
to
this
item,
because
we're
talking
about
the
effects
of
the
land
development
code
and
the
amendment
to
to
the
land
development
code
is
that
tobacco
shops
remain
as
a
special
exception
use
in
the
mud
district.
So
these
are
still
any
other
future
applicant
that
comes
in
wanting
to
adopt
to
bring
in
this
use
in
the
mud
is
still
going
to
have
to
undergo
the
same
special
exception.
F
Use
they're
going
to
have
to
meet
the
standards
that
the
special
exception
ordinance
provides
and
those
standards
are
objective
are
and,
and
they
remain
so
and
as
long
as
they
meet
those
and
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
the
staff
and
the
planning
commission
to
take
a
look
at
those
and
examine
the
applicant
individually.
This
is
not
the
the
definition,
while
amended
does
not
go
any
further
mean
that
these
are
now
uses
that
are
allowed
permitted
by
right
in
the
zoning
district.
F
These
are
still
special
exception,
uses
that
are
still
going
to
be
subject
to
scrutiny
on
the
part
of
staff
and
the
planning
commission
to
meet
the
objective
standards
of
the
special
exception
ordinance
in
the
land
development
code.
So
that
does
remain.
That
has
not
been
changed
so
really,
as
these
applicants
come
in
if
they
do
come
in
they're
going
to
have
to
meet
those
standards
and
if
there's
going
to
be
any
issues
that
arise
from
those
applications,
they
can
be
addressed
by
the
city
and
staff.
G
And
and
we've
gotten
to
this
point,
not
necessarily
that
we've
even
had
the
authority
as
a
council
to
overturn
the
decision
of
whether
or
not
it
was
a
valid
business
or
not
within
the
district,
because
the
planning
commission
and
their
sole
authority
had
the
ability
to
approve
or
deny
the
special
exception
which,
in
their
case
they
approved
it.
It's
just
that
I
argued
in
the
appeal
process
that
there
was
a
level
of
specificity
in
that
hearing
that
I
did
not
see
and
that's
why
I
voted
in
the
dissent
on
the
last
appeal
process.
G
G
Nor
would
we
be
able
to
overturn
that
that
decision,
because
it
wasn't
presented
to
that
as
an
appeal,
we're
simply
here
contemplating
whether
or
not
we
want
to
through
this
settlement.
By
extension,
any
revisions
to
the
land
development
code
say
that
we
kind
of
ride
with
what
the
state
statute
says
in
terms
of
what
the
definition
of
a
tobacco
tobacco
shop
and
what's
permissible,
to
be
sold
within
those
locations.
G
F
In
terms
of
how
much
authority
local
governments
have
to
regulate
an
area
that,
while
the
state
the
led
the
actual
statute
does
provide
for
preemption,
I
think
the
language
of
preemption,
the
statute
is
still
a
bit
hazy,
but
that
because
the
legislature
and
the
state
is
providing
such
a
strong
hammer
against
local
governments
in
terms
of
the
issue
of
preemption,
this
was
the
best
avenue
to
try
to
resolve
the
situation
and
bring
us
more
in
line
with
the
state
to
avoid
any
potential
trip,
falls
or
pitfalls
that
we
may
encounter
in
the
future
in
in
an
area
of
preemption
again
and
putting
this
in
line,
which
was
bolstered
once
the
proposed
bills
were
passed
with,
that
bill.
F
H
And
if
I
can
say
in
the
applicant's
favor,
of
course
he
came
in
seeing
other
businesses
like
this,
and
so
I
can
understand
why
there
would
be
the
assumption
that
this
means
that,
and
so
my
question
is
then,
with
what
you're
saying.
Are
you
saying
that
the
planning
council
had
the
ability
to
say
we
deny
the
special
exception
because
of
where
it
is
the
plan.
H
F
H
F
H
Do
we
protect
in
the
future
if
there's
something
that
comes
in
that
we
know
is
not
fitting
with
either
the
desire
of
of
our
city,
our
people
that
we're
supposed
to
be
working
for
to
say
we
really
don't
want
it
to
develop
like
that.
We
really
want
to
see
this
ambiance
or
this
nature.
You
know
what
protects
us
from
for
being
able
to
steer
the
quality
of
that
and
say.
Well,
maybe
we
can
allow
it
over
here
or
in
this
part,
but
it's
not
in
line
the
same
reason
that
we
don't
allow
certain
establishes
within.
F
The
future
remedy-
and
it
would
not
affect
once
if
this
settlement
is
approved
and
and
because
the
property
owner's
here
I
would
it
would
stress
it-
would
not
affect
his
use
because
he's
already
an
approved
use.
If
you
wish
to
really
steer
the
types
of
uses,
then
you're,
looking
at
an
overall
amendment
to
the
mud
district
to
have
uses
that
would
that
would
fall
in
line
with
what
you're
aiming
for.
F
If
that
would
be
the
case,
any
future
amendments
to
the
mud,
removing
certain
uses
or
even
removing
his
use
from
the
permitted
uses,
it
would
not
mean
he
has
to
shut
down
his
business.
He
would
just
become
a
non-conforming
use
with
the
mud,
but
if
the
vision
for
the
mud
or
any
other
district
is
such
that
you
want
to
change
it,
you
can
amend
the
district
to
to
reflect
that
vision
that
you
have
for
the
use,
but
any
uses
that
are
already
there
prior
to
the
amendment
would
be
non
non-conforming
uses.
F
Any
if,
if
you,
if
you
amend
the
end
plan,
speaking
hypothetically
in
the
future,
you
decide
to
you,
want
to
amend
the
mud
district,
you
want
to
create
a
different
type
of
district.
You
would
just
remove
tobacco
shop
from
a
special
exception
used
from
mud,
but
it
would
not
mean
that
doing
so
would
not
close
down
his
business.
He
just
becomes
a
non-conforming.
H
F
F
F
Therefore,
he
has
a
special
exception
to
operate
this,
but
he
can't
sell
this
because
it's
not
listed
the
rendition
letter
clarified
basically
enumerated
that
which
clarified
the
missing
language
in
the
tobacco
shop
definition
and
that's
what
was
brought
forward
so
now
we're
coming
here
to
try
to
clarify
that
language.
Now
we're
tightening
it
up.
F
Saying
look
now,
there's
no
question
because
we
were
stuck
with
is
vaping
tobacco
substitute
or
tobacco
related,
and
we
went
to
the
state
to
for
guidance
on
the
definition
and
the
state
defines
a
nicotine
delivery
system
within
the
within
the
ambit
of
tobacco.
Therefore,
we
said
this
is
the
best
way
we
can
be
consistent
with
the
state
language
and
not
run
afoul
of
any
preemption
arguments
or
any
other
regulatory
arguments.
Let's
bring
our
language
consistent
with
the
state
and
move
forward
with
that
with
that
wording.
G
What
I
was
saying
is
points
that
are
both
made
already.
The
only
way
for
us
as
a
council
to
officially
control
that
would
be
for
us
to
re,
revise
the
permitted
use
table
for
each
of
our
zoning
districts.
That's
one
way
top
down
heavy-handed
you're
not
going
in
here
opposite
is,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
special
exception,
all
of
that
authority
is
with
the
planning
commission
end
of
story.
F
Correct
and
then,
and
just
to
be
careful
just
because
it's
a
special
exception
doesn't
mean,
there's
any
wiggle
room
for
the
sit
for
a
local
government
to
deny
a
use
because
they
don't
agree
with
it.
If
an
applicant
comes
in
and
establishes
that
they
meet
the
objective
standards
for
a
special
exception,
the
inference
is
that
they
are
going
to
be
except
they
are
going
to
be
granted
the
special
exception.
The
appellate
courts
are
pretty
strong
in
stating
that
you
can't
have
subjective
standards
and
guidelines
for
for
special
exceptions.
F
An
applicant
meets
those
objective
standards
and
the
evidence
supports
that
you've
got
to
grant
it
and
many
a
times.
Local
governments
have
denied
special
exceptions.
The
appellate
courts
have
come
back
and
state;
no,
they
met
the
standards,
go
they
remand
the
matter
back
to
this
local
government
to
say
you
have
to
approve
the
special
exception
because
they
meet
your
your
standards.
F
Your
protection
would
be
if
you
wish
to
adopt
in
the
future
amendments
to
the
zoning
code
to
really
dictate
the
types
of
uses.
That's
the
that's.
The
tool
that
local
governments
have
within
zoning
is,
if
you
desire
a
certain
vision
for
a
neighborhood,
either
create
a
special
zoning
district
to
create
many
local
governments
have
created
specific.
You
know
center
city
entertainment
districts
and
they
they
list
enumerate
these
permitted
uses.
They
wanted
these
districts
to
attract
these
types
of
uses
there
to
do
that.
F
That's
that's
your
tool
under
zoning
to
do
so,
and
if
that's
something
that
it's
your
prerogative
to
go
into,
the
future
and
staff
will
examine
it.
We'll
proceed
forward
on
that
track.
That
would
be
that's
the
tool
to
protect.
It's
that's
what
the
powers
you
have
is
you
can
zone
areas
to
meet
the
vision
of
what
you
want
for
an
area?
That's
really!
The
purpose
of
zoning.
F
We
don't
if
this
settlement
agreement
is
denied,
then
the
matter
is
going
to
go
back
before
the
mediator.
Who
will
become
a
special
magistrate
and
we're
going
to
have
a
an
evidentiary
hearing?
Well
and
it's
it
will
be
the
first
step
prior
to
us,
then
ending
up
in
court
and
having
to
then
litigate
this
matter,
one
way
or
another
for
them
the
court
to
decide
whether
how
our
interpretation
of
tobacco
substitute
products,
false.
A
A
A
F
F
Mean
we
could
do
that,
I
think
it
will
whether
it'll
affect
our
time
frame,
but
I'm
I
mean
I
can
probably
stay
in
the
applicants
here
that
what
I'm
stating
I
think
his
council
is
going
to
say
the
same
thing
I
mean
we
were.
We
were
at
the
mediation,
it's
that
it's
the
same
thing,
but
we
are
both
presenting
to
the
council
the
recommendation
to
approve
the
settlement
agreement.
A
F
A
G
F
A
A
F
G
F
F
C
F
No,
no
does
what
no
planning
commission
is
not
is
not
an
agreement,
but
planning
commission
will
be
presented.
The
amended
land
development
code
for
their
recommend
for
recommendation
to
the
to
the
city
council.
F
H
Here,
for
me,
they
made
their
decision
with
the
assumption
now
wrong
assumption
at
this
point
that
it
would
that
they
could
eliminate
those
things
had
they
known
it
wouldn't
have
eliminated
them.
I
think
they
might
have
come
to
a
different
conclusion,
so
I'm
simply
saying
we're
being
presented
in
something
that's
already
been
negotiated
without
saying:
well,
can't
we
possibly
negotiate
something
else,
I'm
kind
of
going
back
to
our
personal
conversation.
H
The
loss
that
was
suffered
is,
are
we
responsible
for
that
by
being
unclear
and
he
having
an
assumption
that
he
had
been
given
a
green
light
and
spent
resources
towards
that?
I
mean
that's
just
one
way
of
looking
at
what
would
make
him
whole
and
be
just
and
fair,
without
necessarily
saying.
Well,
we
already
are
here
so
now.
We
just
have
to
do
this
again.
That's
affecting
our
forward
motion
for
this
this
area
and-
and
I
may
be
the
the
only
one
that
would
feel
that
way.
H
It's
just
that's
my
genuine
feeling,
I'm
trying
to
always
hear
what's
the
voice,
the
people
and
for
me
they
reflect
that
voice
of
the
people
and
once
they
heard
that
it
would
include
these
other
products,
they
said
wait
a
minute.
We
didn't
know
it
meant
that
we
thought
it
meant
this.
So
that's
not
that's
that's
unfortunate
to
the
applicant.
H
He
he
has
his
understanding,
they
had
their
understanding
and
it
wasn't
stated
clearly,
so
that's
not
his
fault
as
well.
So
I
think
there
should
be
something
to
remedy
that.
I
just
want
that
opportunity
to
maybe
look
at
another
way
to
negotiate
that.
A
So
would
it
so
if
we
wait
two
weeks,
can
we
make
sure
that
we're
in
the
hopper,
even
based
on
whatever
determination
we
make
that
we
don't
he
doesn't
lose
time
or
can
we
make
that
we
can
advertise
yeah?
We
could.
Can
we
go
ahead
so
so
we
won't
lose
any.
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to.
We
can
prepare
for
advertising.
A
G
F
The
initial
intent
was
if
this
was
a
matter
that
was
going
to
be
removed
off
consent,
and
there
was
a
this-
there
was
a
possibility
for
discussion.
I
told
opposing
counsel,
I'm
going
to
call
you
so
that
you
can
come
because
I
didn't
find
out
until
today
that
this
got
removed
from
consent.
I
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
call
opposing
counsel
to
be
here.
I
don't
want
to
run
a
foul.
I
I
think
it's
ethically
proper,
that
we
give
opposing
counsel
the
opportunity
to
to
be
here
and
speak.
G
F
Understood
I
prepared
the
item
to
be
placed
on
consent.
When
I,
when
I
prepared
the
item
the
the
it
was
checked
to
be
on
consent,
I
was
never
told
that
it
was
removed
from
consent.
When
I
find
when
I
approved
and
moved
it
forward,
it
was
forwarding
consent.
So
that's
that's
the
the
concern
and
I
want.
I
don't.
F
D
H
About
any
of
these
issues,
so
I
don't
know,
but
we
are
now
in
public
counsel,
is
it
okay
for
different
ones
to
say
whether
they
would
before
or
against
it?
And
you
know,
I'm
I'm
one
person.
This
is
what
I
believe
I'm
just
simply
preparing
this,
but
I'm
not
against
you
know.
I
I
love
business
and
I
I
empathize
with
the
position
that
mr
sagarian
is
in,
but
I'm
still
concerned
about
what
a
feel
is
the
right
direction
for
our
city.
H
B
Well,
the
the
way,
with
the
way
that
I
understand
it.
If
we're
aligning
our
definition
of
tobacco,
to
line
up
with
the
state's
definition,
and
even
if
we
did
not
approve
this
settlement
agreement
and
then
another
business
owner
came,
and
we
would
still
still
be
in
the
same
position.
If
we
don't
correct
the
definition
that
it
aligns
with
the
state.
F
F
States
definition
calls
calls
vaping
and
nicotine
dispensing
devices
and
those
definitions
fall
within
the
tobacco
regulations.
So
the
inference
would
be
that
the
state
treats
the
vaping
items
and
regulates
them
in
a
similar.
The
state
does
regulate
vaping
and
vaping
products,
and
some
of
these
that
and
they
fall
within
the
definition
of
within
the
definitions
of
tobacco.
H
F
And,
unfortunately,
that
that
specific
area
is
an
area
where
the
local
governments
are
preempted
from
regulating,
we
can't
regulate
we.
We
cannot
step
in
there
and
and
do
that
that
that
is
an
area
where
we
can
regulate
to
an
extent,
but
the
state
has
preempted
the
full
regulation,
the
manufacturing,
the
distribution
of
these
products.
The
state
has
has
preempted
the
subject
matter,
so
we
can't,
even
if
we
wanted
to,
we
cannot
without
facing
the
wrath
of
the
state.
F
The
limited
areas
where
we
believe
we
do
have
the
authority
to
regulate
is
in
within
zoning
as
to
where
and
whether,
where
they
can
be
sold
or
not,
but
we
cannot
regulate
that
they
cannot
be
sold
within
the
city
limits.
At
that
point
now
that
subject
has
been
preempted
to
the
state.
So
this
amendment
is
going
to
clarify
the
definition
and
bring
us
in
line
with
the
state's
definition
as
to
where
these
can
be
sold,
not
whether
or
not
they
can
or
cannot
be
sold
within
the
city
limits.
F
A
F
F
G
My
hand
here-
and
I've
already
talked
through
the
process
of-
why
we're
here
to
begin
with,
but
again
I
argued
during
the
appeal
process
that
there
was
an
enumeration
of
items
on
the
rendition
letter
that
I
didn't
think
were
a
formal
request
of
staff
to
specifically
constrain
this
business
owner
from
selling.
G
In
that
case,
there
was
confusion
during
that
testimony.
During
that
hearing
that
I
witnessed
that's,
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
confirmation
conversation
around.
Oh,
do
you
think
this
means
this,
or
this
means
that?
Well
now
we
have
a
definitive
answer
based
off
the
state
law
for
us
to
reconcile
our
legal
definition
to
that
allows
for
this
use
the
permitted
use
of
his
business
as
a
special
exception,
was
taken
by
the
planning
commission.
That's
not
us,
that's
not
the
piece
of
business
here
to
decide
today.
B
And
if
we
approve
this
this
settlement-
and
it
goes
back
to
the
planning
commission-
do
they
have
the
authority
to
overrule
us
no.
F
No,
no!
No!
No,
this
this
settlement
just
means
what
is
business
right.
The
effect
of
this
settlement
is
that
the
parties
agreed
that
staff
is
going
to
bring
forward
for
adoption
an
amendment
to
the
land
development
code,
which
changes
and
clarifies
the
definition
of
tobacco
shop.
That's
that's
all
now.
The
agreement
does
not
mean
that
that
this
amendment
will
take
effect.
F
We
are
prohibited
by
law.
From
doing
so,
we
can't
agree
by
contract
to
rezone
that's
contract
zoning
as
prohibited
by
state
law.
All
this
agreement
does
is
we
agree
that
staff
will
bring
forward
this
amendment
for
to
undergo
the
requirements
for
approve
for
approval
of
an
ordinance
amending
the
land
development
code,
so
approving
the
settlement
agreement
means
that
staff
is
going
to
now
present
this
amendment,
to
drc,
to
planning,
commission
and
to
city
council
for
for
approval
and.
G
G
When
everybody
fast
forward,
the
planning
commission
is
going
to
then
look
at
the
state
law
and
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
reconcile
the
ldc
to
the
state
law
and
if
they
do
again,
special
exception
will
still
be
on
the
case
and
they
would
be
able
to
approve
or
deny
based
off
of
that
definition.
Right.
However,
again
going
back
to
the
point
made
before
as
if
we
completely
remove
those
out
of
the
downtown
zoning.
F
District,
that's!
That
is
a
something
that
you
can
do
for
for
any
future
for
the
future.
Basically,
so
that
is,
that
is
your
your
tool.
If
this
uses
in
we've
reconciled
the
situation,
this
met
this
side.
This
owner
will
proceed
forward.
If
you
do
not
believe
that
this
is
a
use
you
want
to
see
in
certain
parts
of
the
city,
then
it's
upon
you
incumbent
upon
you
to
amend
the
land
development
code
to
basically
restrict
where
you
want
to
see
these.
Just
like
we
did
with
dollar
stores.
A
C
H
Well,
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
go
and
look
at
the
dangers
of
vaping
online
and
obviously
those
are
adult
decisions
that
adults
have
the
right
to
make
I'm
concerned
for
anything
that
would
be
glamorized
and
hurt
the
future
that
we're
going
to
have
to
now
go
to
the
state
and
chew
on
their
ear
to
say
our
kids
are
at
danger.
Look
at
what's
going
on
and
again
this
is
nothing
personal
to
you.
I
know
you're
a
good
man
and
well
let
me
let
me
just
let
me
just
say
that
you
know
I.
H
I
would
hope
that
maybe
and
what
I
was
trying
to
say
is
maybe,
rather
than
this
being
the
negotiation,
can
we
maybe
find
some
other
way
that
mitigates
the
loss
that
you've
had
and
and
hopefully
just
in
your
good
nature,
just
not
glamorize
the
vaping
side
of
things,
but
that's
a
decision
you're
free
to
make
as
a
business
owner
that
we
can't.
F
And,
commissioner,
those
are
my
concerns
I
emphasize
with
your
concerns,
but
I
also
want
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
treading
into
an
area
that
the
city
has
no
authority
to
regulate.
I
understand
and
we
don't
have
that
authority
regularly.
We
can
express
those
concerns
to
the
state
and
see
if
the
state
takes
action.
F
The
city's
hands
are
tied
because
that's
a
subject
matter,
that's
been
preempted
to
the
state
and
we
cannot.
We
cannot
regulate
the
item
more
than
what
the
state
allows
us
to
regulate,
which,
in
my
interpretation,
is
basically
where
we
can
where
they
can
be
sold
or
not
not
whether
they
can
or
cannot
be
sold.
A
All
right,
let's
wrap
this
thing
up,
so
I
guess
look
for
a
motion
to
prove
or
table.
I
mean
I'm
ready
to
approve
it
and
somebody
make
the
motion
and.
A
F
I
A
Okay,
thank
you,
michael
for
all
your
hard
work
on
that
one.
Next
up
ken
okay.
I
F
3-2
to
approve
with
mayor.
I
E
Mayor
the
mayor
of
the
city
council,
the
item
before
you
this
afternoon
is
to
transfer
city
parcel
unit
162
to
the
apoca
orlando
or
the
orlando
apopka
airport
association.
E
If
you
recall,
there's
some
history,
I
want
to
give
you
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
history
on
this.
In
june
of
2011,
the
the
orlando
apopka
airport
association
and
the
city
entered
into
an
easement
agreement,
there's
a
parcel
in
your
pack,
it's
a
small
strip
between
the
railroad
tracks
and
the
actual
runway.
In
that
agreement
it
was
considered
a
obstacle
free
zone,
so
the
city
owned
that
parcel,
but
couldn't
do
anything
with
it.
E
There
was
an
easement
as
long
as
for
the
airport,
because
you
can't
build
anything
or
construct
anything
in
that
area
for
further
clarification.
There
was
also
cleanup
on
that
parcel,
so
the
cleanup
on
that
parcel.
We
had
an
agreement
with
fdep
that
we
were
working
with.
We
had
to
do
some
petroleum
cleanup
on
there.
We
have
recently,
as
of
just
this
december,
received
the
completion
order,
that
everything
is
cleaned
up
and
everything
is
good.
E
So
today,
what
you're
doing
is
what
today,
what
we're
asking
staff
is?
Asking
for
is
to
transfer
that
parcel
to
the
association,
the
hoa
association
in
return
for
that
portion.
The
city
has
asked,
and
if
you
recall,
when
we
sold
the
airport,
the
city
had
asked
the
hoa
once
we
have
that
cleaned
up
we'll.
E
You
know
we'll
look
to
transfer
that
parcel,
but
in
exchange
for
that,
we
would
like
those
first
15
parking
spots
or
spaces
to
be
able
to
have
an
exclusive
license
agreement
and
write
so
that
whoever
has
the
fbo
and
at
that
time
it
was
us.
We
were
talking
through
this,
but
then
you've
you
sold
the
fbo.
There
was
a
transfer
license
transfer
on
the
agreement.
When
you
sold
the
airport
that
once
we
made
this
transfer
once
we
did,
this
transfer
those
15
spaces
would
go
to
that
new
owner.
E
So
they
would
have
the
exclusive
right
to
have
those
15
spaces
which
was
critical
for
them
to
have
parking
at
the
actual
for
the
airport.
So
one
of
the
things
that
staff
also
did
we
went
back
and
we
felt
that
hey.
That
was
a
piece
that
was
an
easement.
We
couldn't
do
anything
with.
We
were
paying
hoa
fees
on
it
as
an
owner
from
the
city,
so
we
went
back
and
we
told
them
hey.
We
want
our
assessments
back,
you
know.
We
feel
that
we
didn't
have
any
rights
couldn't
do
much
with
it.
E
You
know
we
owned
it,
but
we
couldn't
do
anything
with
it.
We
wanted.
We
would
like
you
know
them
to
look
at
refunding
us,
the
hoa
fees
that
we
paid
over
time
and
they
have
elected
to
do
that
in
this
agreement,
as
well
as
part
of
the
the
transfer.
Okay,
so
and
that's
a
little
over
ten
thousand
dollars
that
we
will
be
receiving
a
refund
back
from
that.
E
So
with
that
being
said,
the
we're
looking
for
the
ability,
the
approval
and
authorize
the
city
administrator
to
to
prepare
this
transfer,
execute
this
agreement
and
prepare
the
transfer
with
the
association
for
the
parcel
and
then
the
complete
the
transfer
of
the
license
for
the
parking
spaces
to
the
new
owners
of
the.
A
H
M
It's
a
request
of
amending
the
budget
for
the
fiscal
year,
beginning
october,
1st
2021
and
ending
on
september
30th,
2022
and
total
amendment
is
for
150
000.
The
amendment
is
for
the
apopka
resource
center
and
the
funding
is
from
the
general
fund
duke
energy
funds.
This
amendment
appropriates
funding
from
the
apopka
resource
center
project.
M
M
G
So
I'm
a
couple
couple
comments
on
this
one.
This
is
strange
to
me
because
this
seems
backwards
to
what
we've
normally
done
like
we.
We
do
these
appropriations
or
kind
of
changes
after
we've
approved
business.
I'm
just
curious
as
to
why
we're
going
taking
this
route
for
this
piece.
E
Commissioners,
commissioner,
what
we're
doing
is
we
are
marking
this
dollar.
It
was
designated,
as
you
said
before.
This
is
the
last
piece
there's
one
small
piece
for
the
conley
house.
This
is
the
last
piece,
so
we
are.
We
are
doing
the
amendment
to
mark
that
that
150
thousand
dollar
piece
keep
in
mind.
This
is
the
appropriation
this
appropriation
will
not
be
spent
until
you
have
an
agreement
or
something
approval
back
for
you
just
because
you're
doing
the
budget,
remember
it
doesn't
mean
you.
We
have
we're
going
to
spend
the
money.
G
We're
marking,
it
seems
like
we're
doing
two
pieces
of
business
for
one
item.
Why
wouldn't
this
just
be
all
on
one
agenda
like
and
an
other
point
being
made
is
yeah.
We've
received
information
at
the
last
public
hearing
that
we
talked
about
this
at
popcor
resource
center.
I
said
that
I
wanted
to
meet
with
their
board.
I've
received
no
such
invitation
to
do
that.
So,
if
they
want
my
vote,
I
I'm
that's
still
an
open
invite.
E
Okay,
well,
and
and
like
I
said
this
is
to
put
on
the
books
to
get
150
marked
on
the
book
so
that
we
have
it
secured.
We
have
it
it's
the
last
piece
of
their
duke
energy
dollars.
Besides
the
design
on
the
conley
house,
which
will
be
bringing
you
that
one
too
again,
the
budget
amendment
puts
the
money
in
the
appropriation
we
want
to
without
the
direction
of
the
city
council.
We
will
not
spend
the
money.
The
dollars
will
not
be
spent.
They'll
just
be
marked
there.
So.
I
Yeah,
because
I
know
I
spoke
to
you
because
I
remember
it
was
earmarked,
so
can
you
just
and
now
we're
putting
it
as
an
appropriations,
but-
and
they
did
present
this
on
november
17th
and
I
kind
of
agree
that
I
was
hoping
that
they
would
reach
out
to
us
that
we
can
sit
individually
with
them
on
the
board,
because
I
read
this,
but
it
it's
just
something
that
they've
been
doing.
But
it's
not
a
real
mission
statement
and
I
don't.
I
E
E
This
will
ear
mark
that
last
piece
and
we'll
bring
you
the
other
piece
of
those
dollars
so
that
they
will
those
dollars
actually
got
where
they
needed
to
be
they're,
not
sitting
in
that
big
pool
anymore
they're,
sitting
earmarked
just
because
it's
in
the
the
the
transfer
is
here.
It's
a
counting
thing
for
us
to
say
the
dollars.
E
The
appropriation
can
lapse
and
it'll
go
back
into
the
to
the
the
back
into
the
reserve
or
or
back
into
you
know
back
into
the
pot
like
the
reserve
pot,
or
you
can
give
direction
to
spend
it
somewhere
else.
Well,.
G
I
mean
this.
I
guess
the
point
that
I'm
making
is
that
this
has
been
earmarked
before
we
entered
into
the
new
budget
year.
So
I'm
curious
as
to
why
we're
having
to
take
a
specific
piece
of
business
when
this
has
already
been
earmarked
even
before
the
last
budget.
So
what
I
would
have
assumed
that
all
of
that
accounting,
if
you
will
would
have
been
satisfied
going
into
this
budget
year
so
and
then
all
other
pieces
of
business
where
we've
had
to
do
some
sort
of
appropriation
change
or
reallocation.
G
G
E
If
you,
if
the
agreement
doesn't
come,
if
you
you
guys,
if
there's
an
agreement
that
does
if
the
city
council
does
not
entertain
an
agreement
or
or
bring
that
information
back
for
after
you
have
your
meetings
or
or
staff
you
know
is
given
a
is
given
a
proposal,
then
the
the
appropriation
will
just
lapse.
It
will
not.
E
B
Have
one
question,
and
that
is
of
all
those
funds
that
we
earmarked
from
the
duke
energy
money
has
all
of
those
budget
amendments
already
been
done
with
the
exception
of
the
covenant
house.
B
B
E
Keep
in
mind,
there
was
one
where
we
the
the
amount
where
we
were
going
to
refund
debt,
but
we
applied
that
to
the
camp
we
while
purchase.
So
that
is
our
that
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
move
this
piece
out
because
it's
mixed
in
there
now
with
all
of
those
dollars
that
we
were
going
to
use
for
camp.
We
well
and
if
you
know
if
based
on
where
we
are,
we've
been
approved
for
the
million
dollar
grant,
we
have
not
received
that
yet.
E
So
when
that
comes
in
that
we've
advanced
that
when
that
comes
in
that
will
help.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
those
dollars
that
are
in
that
in
that
big
pot
that
we're
going
to
use
for
camp,
we
wall,
they
have
been
used
up,
and
so
this
will
pull
that
150
set
it
as
an
appropriation
and
again.
If,
if
you
don't
a
proven
agreement,
the
appropriation
will
lapse
and
it'll
go
back
into
the
reserves.
If
you
do
approve
an
appropriation
based
on
150
100,
one
whatever
it
will
be,
there
marks
there.
E
We
are
currently
procurements
working
on
a
design
putting
out
professional
services
for
a
design,
architectural
design
because,
as
you
know,
commissioner,
we
also
have
we're.
We
want
to
get
some
an
architectural
design,
person
professional
services,
because
we've
got
the
building
of
public
services.
We've
got
the
bird
park
that
you've
approved.
We've
got
the
conley
house
that
we
want
to
do
and
so
and
frank
carlton
and
frank
carlton,
so
we've
got
design,
we've
got
we
want
to
get.
E
We
don't
have
a
design
person
on
staff,
and
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
to
get
go
out
to
bid
and
get
a
professional
design
architectural
designer
so
that
we
can
get
all
those
projects
done
and
that
piece
will
come
come
for.
You
come
to
you
as
well.
E
G
I
just
don't,
I
mean
again
not
to
beat
a
dead
horse
here,
but
all
of
these
things
were
known
before
budget,
so
for
us
to
do
one-off
journal
entry
entries
like
these.
Are
it
just
seems
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
regardless
of
the
vote
here,
it
doesn't
matter
because
if
the
presentation
comes
to
approve
this
resource
center
and
then
it's
just
an
overwhelmingly
compelling
case
to
to
to
fund
it,
you
know
it's
not
like
this
business
would
preclude
if
it
failed
for
that
action
to
occur
like
just.
E
No,
it's
just
all
this.
What
this
does
is
it's
an
accounting.
This
is
an
accounting
to
show
you
that
all
of
your
duke
energy
dollars
went
exactly
where
you
planned
for
them
to
go
in
the
beginning,
from
an
appropriation.
M
We
are
waiting
to
get
somebody
to
come
and
hire
to
do
all
these
signs.
At
the
same
time,
we
still
don't
have
somebody.
A
A
G
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
I'd
like
to.
Hopefully
we
can,
you
know,
get
the
rfq
for
the
the
design.
You
know
completely
yeah.
That
would
be
that'd
be
great.
So
with
that,
I
just
looked
for
a
motion
into
to
to
I
guess
table.
For
now
I
mean
I
don't
know
we'll
have
a
a
an
actual
date.
Man
we'll
bring
them
both
back
together.
So
look
for
a
motion
to
table
the
city.
A
So
just
the
table,
the
resolution
2022-01.
B
A
H
F
I
did
some
quick
looking
just
to
clarify
that
we
can
present
this
or
at
least
some
direction
in
regards
to
the
early
voting.
Okay,
just
quickly
the
supervisor
of
election
they're
bound
by
a
statute
to
designate
an
early
voting
site
no
later
than
30
day
no
later
than
the
30th
day
prior
to
an
election
and
shall
designate
an
early
voting
area
now,
the
statute
provides
that
cities
can
provide,
may
provide
early
voting
and
municipal
elections
that
are
not
held
in
conjunction
with
county
or
state
elections.
F
If
we
do
provide
early
voting
it
may
the
city
may
designate
as
many
sites
as
necessary
and
shall
conduct
its
activities
in
accordance
with
the
provisions
of
the
the
statute
in
regards
to
general
election.
However,
it
does
state
that
the
supervisor
is
not
required
to
conduct
early
voting
if
it
is
provided
pursuant
to
this
subsection.
F
So
I
think
we
need
to
speak
and
conduct
and
do
things
in
conjunction
with
the
supervisor
of
elections.
Sure,
because
we
do
not
provide
our
own
municipal
elections.
Every
one
of
our
elections
is
done
by
the
supervisor
of
elections.
So
if
we
work
with
a
supervisor,
I
think
the
supervisor
is
going
to
have
to
designate
the
early
voting
location
and
by
statute
early
voting
locations
must
be
either
supervisor
of
elections,
branch
offices
or
any
city-owned
buildings.
So
potentially
well,
it's
it's
specific
to.
F
F
So
we
can
designate
as
such,
but
I
think
it's
gonna
it's
best
to
be
done
in
conjunction
with
the
supervisor
of
elections
to
have
them
name
it.
It
looks
like
we
still
will
be
within
the
time
frame
that
the.
F
Is
well
because
we
because
the
supervisor
of
elections
is
the
one
who's
actually
operating
our
elections,
we're
not
conducting
the
elections
ourselves
that
we're
going
to
have
to
provide
for
the
costs
for
the
supervisor
election
to
use
the
early
voting
site
bring
the
early
voting
machinery
print
the
ballots
and
transport
them
to
the
early
voting
sites,
as
opposed
to
being
already
on
site
there.
We're
gonna
have
to
accommodate
the
cost
of
bringing
that
to
this
location.
F
E
A
positive
note
right
so,
as
you
can
see,
we
are
a
quarter
of
the
way
in
our
new
fiscal
year
and
we're
a
little
more
than
48
000
above
the
budget.
Projection,
keep
in
mind
the
dollars
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
for
december
are
actually
for
october.
E
So
you
know
the
the
thanksgiving
and
christmas
months
we
haven't
seen
yet
so
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
them
when
they
come
in,
but
it
is
a
very.
This
is
a
positive
note
that
we
are
a
little
bit
over
the
actual
projections
that
we
receive
from
the
state.
So
that's
good
news,
positive
news.
I
Yeah
because
I
had
bread
and
from
orange
county
that
they
did
very
well
in
october
november,
with
the
sales
tax
better
than
what
they
had
expected.
E
A
All
right,
thank
you,
edward
appreciate
it
all
right,
I'm
waiting
on
an
update
and
I'll
see
if
I
get
it,
but
let
me
just
kind
of
go
over
a
couple
of
things.
You
know
the
nomi
health
testing
site
update,
so
I
want
to
go
back
and
just
kind
of
bring
everybody
forward.
You
know
we.
We
started
the
program
just
kind
of
an
interesting.
My
my
first
employee
and
as
a
state
legislator
was
a
kid.
A
university
of
florida.
A
Graduate
that
happens
to
represent
know
me
and
call
me
says:
hey,
would
you
like
a
you
know,
a
testing
site,
so
I
said
sure
we'd
love
to
have
testing
you
know
at
the
time
was
just
one,
the
one
big
one
down
at
barnett
park
and
so
on
august
14th.
A
We
we
set
up
at
edwards
field,
and
so
we
ran
the
the
the
program
through
we
stopped
on
the
the
fall
festival,
moved
it
over
city
hall,
still
no,
no
real
heavy
activity,
and
then
they
were
supposed
to
go
back
to
edwards
field
after
the
tree
lighting.
So
we
wanted
to
not
affect
as
few
people
as
that
wanted
to
come
to
kitland
nelson
park.
A
Well,
they
didn't
it
didn't
perform,
and
so
we
we
went
out-
and
I
had
public
works,
go
out
and
and
find
somebody
to
move
the
trailer
they
couldn't.
They
were
going
to
be
two
weeks
later.
You
know
finding
trailers,
as
traffic
was
stacked,
all
the
way
back
up
to
highland
manor.
So
I
got
a
company
to
come
in
move
the
two
trailers
back
over
to
to
edwards
field
and,
and
so
anyway,
been
running.
A
It
was
kind
of
a
low
ebb
and
now
they've
they've
ramped
up
their
number
of
people
can
y'all
hang
on
one.
Second,
this
is
her:
hey,
rebecca,
I'm
in
city
council
which
they're
there
perfect.
Thank
you,
okay,
bye,
so
that
was
that
was
the
girl
that
runs
approach
so
anyway,
the
currently
so
they
they've
doubled
the
staff
there
and
we're
now
testing
approximately
1200
people
per
day.
We
had
the
pcr
as
as
well
as
rapid
testing.
A
We
ran
out
of
rapid
testing
yesterday
after
excuse
me
two
days
ago,
late
afternoon,
they've
just
now
received
them.
That
was
her.
So
we
now
have
the
rapid
test,
as
well
as
the
pcr
test
down
there
with
it,
with
the
the
potential
to
do
1200
per
day.
So
it's
I
mean,
I
think,
a
great
benefit
to
the
folks
here
in
northwest
orange
county,
not
just
apopka,
but
but
I
do
want
to.
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out.
A
You
talk
about
a
what
a,
not
a
community
of
a
city
effort,
but
I
had
public
works.
Getting
the
trailers
moved.
I
had
my
I.t
guys
down.
They
had
four
printers
that
went
down
had
I
t
had
bob
and
rob,
or
you
know,
bob
and
michael
down
down
there
unjamming
two
printers.
I
had
parks
and
rec
down
five
five
printers,
I'm
sorry,
five
printers.
I
had
parks
and
rec
downline
in
the
field
up,
so
we
could
get.
You
know
adequate
parking
and
get
people
kind
of
lined
up.
A
I've
had
police
down
there
and
fire
down
there,
so
I
think
an
admin
I've
been
down
there
pretty
much
every
day.
So
I
mean
it's
been
a
team
effort.
You
know
all
our
city
departments
have
been
been
included
in
in
getting
this
thing
up
and
running
and
they're.
I
think
they've
really
got
it
on
track
to
you
know.
Do
you
know
1200
folks
a
day,
and
so
I
think
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
appreciative.
Obviously,
we've
had
some
hiccups
but
appreciate
that
we've
we're
there
now
for
the
bad
news.
A
The
state
of
florida
positivity
rate
at
26.5,
the
orange
county,
positivity
rate
at
31.6
percent,
our
edwards
field,
positivity
rate,
is
18.8.
So
anyway
we
we
feel
like
it's
they're
on
a
good.
You
know
a
good
track.
A
I
you
know
it
could
be
any
any
minute
every
any
day
that
they
run
out
of
you
know
the
the
rapid
test.
It's
you
know,
I
guess
they
get
them
just
like
everybody
else
gets
them,
and
they
won't
know
when
when
the
next
shipment
is
coming,
but
we
will
keep.
I
know
I
t
kelly's,
been
working
hard
to
keep
and
and
stacy
my
office
to
make
sure
as
we
find
out
they're,
either
back
in
or
or
they're
out
that
we
we
try
to
inform
the
public
as
best
we
can.
A
Next
up
led
lights,
just
want
to
let
you
know:
we've
turned
on.
I
know
mr
cooper
has
already
left,
but
we
have
now
turned
on
441
29
lights
that
have
been
upgraded
on
441
between
amscott
and
public
storage
and
we've
added
16
new
lights
between
amscott
and
the
day's
end.
So
a
lot
of,
if
you
get
a
chance
drive
by
you
know,
which
is
where
we've
had
a
lot
of
our
fatalities
right
there.
A
It's
really
a
a
pleasant
surprise
to
see
the
the
amount
of
light
that
they're
getting
down
there
and
last
but
not
least,
utility
billing
payments.
I
know,
commissioner
smith,
I
think
you
brought
up
phone-in
payments
and
we
are
going
live
tomorrow,
kind
of
a
pilot,
but
hopefully
you
make
that
full-time
and
so
you'll
be
able
to
do
your
utility
billy
billing
over
the
phone.
So
with
that
close.