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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting September 7, 2022
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on September 7, 2022 at 1:30 PM.
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B
B
On
september,
6
1930,
the
first
public
store
put
it
in
one.
In
halen
florida
by
george
jacobs,
jesus
went
on
to
open
the
separate
stores
throughout
quarter,
eventually
chained,
the
grocery
stores
grew
and
as
of
today,
there
are
831
stores
in
florida
and
1239
stores
throughout
the
southeast
jenkins
introduced
the
modern
grocery
store
with
air
conditioning
torenzo
floors
and
automatic
doors.
He
also
introduced
the
concept
of
employee
ownership
in
the
grocery
business
fact
of
the
day.
A
All
right
approval
of
the
minutes,
any
changes
you
need
to
make
not
look
for
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
That's
the
minutes
of
august
3rd
and
the
17th
so
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez.
Second,
second
mike
commissioner
banks
and
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
all
right
presentations
we
have
with
us,
dr
scott
fritz.
I
thank
you
for
rearranging
your
schedule.
A
As
he
comes
up,
I
want
to
kind
of
preface
this
with
kind
of
why
he's
here
today
been
actively
involved
in
the
chamber,
along
with
the
apoca
chambers,
as
well
as
the
florida
chamber
and
one
of
the
things
they
they
talk
about.
Is
you
know
how
we
as
a
state
are
successful?
A
What
makes
success
and
one
of
the
things
they
talk
about,
is
third
grade
education,
how
we
get
kids,
if
they're,
not
reading
at
grade
level
at
third,
that
the
chances
of
success
are
really
greatly
reduced
and
especially
under
black
males
black
males
have
a
a
very
hard
time
making
up
that
ground
if
they're,
not
at
the
level
that
we
at
that
third
grade
level.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
step
we'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
is
as
to
how
we
can
help
those
kids
get
to
the
point
where
they're
successful.
A
If
they're
successful
at
in
high
school
then
they'll
be
their
chances
of
success,
then,
are
greatly
increased
and
my
good
friend
karen
willis,
I
know,
is
retired,
but
always
a
great
advocate
for
the
early
learning
coalition
and
so
scott
with
that
I'll.
Let
you
take
it
away.
Well,
you.
C
You
said
it
very
well
mayor
nelson.
Thank
you.
I'm
absolutely
pleased
to
to
be
here
today.
Maybe
I
touched
there
we
are.
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
share
with
you
the
commission
in
our
audience,
about
the
importance
of
the
first
2000
days
of
education
for
children.
C
That
truly
is
a
hurdle
for
many
of
our
children,
and
so
let
me
tell
you
the
positives:
if
they
have
a
great
zero
to
five
educational
experience,
then
when
they
get
to
kindergarten,
they
are
ready
to
be
emergent
leaders
when
they
get
to
third
grade
that
first
milestone
of
the
assessment.
That's
part
of
our
state
statute.
They
will
pass
that
if
they
pass
that
80
percent
of
this
likely,
those
students
will
walk
across
the
stage
as
graduates.
C
Now.
Conversely,
if
they
don't
have
a
wonderful
zero
to
five
experience,
they
start
kindergarten
behind
and
when
they
start
behind.
That
means
they're
already
got
against
the
eight
ball
when
it
comes
to
that
third
grade
benchmark,
if
they
don't
pass
that
we're
telling
eight-year-olds
we're
telling
eight-year-olds
that
their
future's
in
jeopardy.
C
So
when
we
think
about
zero
to
five
and
the
importance
the
child's
brain
grows
more
and
they
learn
more
zero
to
five
than
any
other
time
in
their
lives,
and
so
what
mayor
nelson
reached
out
and
worked
with
us
and
partnered
with
us?
I
think
I
just
lost
it.
That's
right!
I
got
it
memorized
we
have
to
what
mayor
nelson
said
to
us:
was
it's
really
important
for
us
in
the
city
of
apopka
to
provide
a
solid
foundation
for
those
zero
to
five
students?
So
we
did
a
little
analysis
in
in
the
city
limits.
C
So
our
strive
and
part
of
the
work
that
we
do
at
the
early
learning
coalition
is
to
help
child
care
centers
reach
that
gold
seal
accreditation,
just
like
in
the
k-12
system
having
that
accreditation
means
that
they've
met
a
series
of
standards
and
so
for
our
own
children.
We
would
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
those
standards
in
place
when
we
send
them
to
a
center,
so
that
they're
getting
the
best
of
their
education.
C
C
And
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
there
are
some
real
business
benefits
as
well.
Not
only
are
you
going
to
have
more
kids
reaching
kindergarten
that
have
the
foundation
that
they're
going
to
need
for
their
whole
k-12
experience,
your
families
are
going
to
have
confidence
in
early
learning
in
this
community.
C
The
residents
in
our
businesses
are
going
to
have
more
confidence
that
we
have
quality
child
care
and
there
are
some
real
business
benefits
as
well.
There's
reduced
property
taxes
for
the
business
owners,
there's
also
improved
reimbursement
rates
that
they
get
from
the
state
of
florida
that
filter
through
us
when
they
have
this
accreditation.
C
So
what
we
have
here
today
is
the
budget
proposal
for
you
when
you're
really
looking
at
this,
because
it's
going
to
take
about
three
years
as
we
go
forward
to
really
get
these
14
centers
accredited
and
you
can
see
I
I
don't
have
to
read
it
to
you,
but
you've
got
it
right
in
front
of
you
what
it's
going
to
take,
but
a
couple
things
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
is
this
is
truly
a
voluntary
practice.
Centers
don't
have
to
do
this,
but
this
is
one
we
would
highly
encourage
them
to
do.
C
Just
like
you
want
your
k-12
schools
to
be
accredited,
you
want
your
early
learning
child
care
centers
to
be
accredited
too
because
remember
what
we
said:
that's
where
students
minds
grow
the
fastest,
that's
where
they
have
the
most
learning
going
on.
So
you
look
at
this
budget.
If
all
14
participated
over
three
years,
it
would
be
about
129
000,
and
what
that
really
entails
is
the
accreditation
fee
for
the
14
sites.
C
I
have
dr
mary,
harper
and,
and
and
mary
has
been
with
the
coalition
a
long
time
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
she's
been
a
great
great
resource
for
me
as
I've
come
in
here,
I'm
I'm
on
day
65..
So
I
am
new,
but
I
will
tell
you:
mary
has
been
in
the
coalition
for
a
long
time
and
she's.
Actually,
our
lead
for
accreditation,
so
she'll
she'll
be
here
as
well.
If
you
have
questions
okay,.
A
E
C
D
C
Now
we
we've
not
reached
out
to
them
yet,
but
that's
something
very
easily
we
can
do
because
these
are
the
centers
that
we
support,
so
our
people
are
there
on
a
regular
basis,
but
but
that
would
be
the
next
step
and
again,
as
I
said,
this
is
voluntary.
Those
14
centers
don't
have
to
do
this,
but
it
would
be
highly
encouraged
and
usually
the
reason
centers
don't
do.
It
is
because
of
money.
They
don't
have
the
money
up
front
to
help
make
this
happen.
That's
the
challenge.
C
C
F
Okay
service,
if
I
may
sure,
the
the
business
owners,
while
they
provide
the
service
vpk
voluntary
pre-kindergarten,
to
be
clear,
it
only
provides
three
hours
per
day
for
180
out
of
180
days,
so
there's
a
significant
period
of
time
with
which
families
are
paying
for
that
service
on
their
own.
Then,
the
children
that
with
which
dr
fritz
is
referring,
those
are
our
school
readiness
children.
F
They
maybe
make
their
families
make
about
forty
thousand
dollars
for
a
family
of
four
and
we
provide
subsidized
child
care,
then
keep
working,
and
so
that's
the
service
that
they
receive
still
nominal
in
its
compensation.
What
that
service
does
is
just
pays
for
the
hours
of
care.
What
it
doesn't
do
is
provide
the
business
acumen
the
opportunity
to
get
accredited
the
opportunity
to
have
a
one-on-one
coach,
specifically
around
accrediting
standards,
which
is
the
gold
seal.
G
C
That's
just
we
wanted
to
come
to
you
with
a
appropriate
prepared
budget,
but
that's
what
we
have
currently,
if
other
businesses
open
up
and
that's
something
that
the
city
wants
us
to
look
at,
we
certainly
can,
but
that's
currently
what
we
have.
We
have
29
child
care
centers
in
the
city
of
apopka.
At
this
point,.
G
Yeah
for
me,
of
course,
my
grandmother
104
this
year
was
a
lifelong
educator.
We
had
to
make
her
retire
at
90
and
she
still
sneak
teaching
opportunities.
It's
just
in
her
blood,
and
you
know
that
put
a
real
love
of
learning
in
me,
early
on
and
you're
absolutely
right,
and
that
was
her
specialty.
She
taught
in
southern
california
ended
up
teaching
over
the
region
there
and
not
only
the
academic
side,
but
the
well-being
of
the
child,
their
their
sense
of
well-being,
changes
their
whole
mindset.
It
absolutely
can
affect
them
the
rest
of
their
lives.
G
H
B
B
The
term
former
educator,
because
once
an
educator
always
an
educator,
but
I
know
how
critical
it
is
for
children
to
get
off
to
a
fresh
start
and
have
a
solid
foundation,
and
so
I'm
in
support
of
this
endeavor,
to
help
to
increase
the
learning
capacity
of
our
students
in
order
that
they
may
be
successful.
So
we
can
get
rid
of
that
nomenclature
about
if
you're
not
reading,
right
about
third
grade
you're
headed
for
prison,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
great
step
in
that
direction.
Thank.
I
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
yes,
this
will
be
the
first
we'll
be
the
first
city
to
partner
in
this
capacity
in
central
florida.
Well,
in.
C
F
Run
prior
accreditation
facilitation
projects
with
great
success
and
they
were
voluntary
by
people
coming
in
and
we
did
use
some
dollars
that
we
received
from
the
state
to
help
facilitate
those.
But
we
have
not
had
a
municipality
step
up
to
the
charge
of
looking
at
the
most
critical
period
in
human
development,
birth
to
age.
Five
sure.
I
C
Well,
we
haven't
discussed
that.
That's
certainly
something
we
could
certainly
discuss,
but
you
know
going
forward
if
the
idea
would
be
that
they
would
work
to
that
accreditation.
There
are
a
review
process
along
the
way
they
will
receive
feedback
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
a
pretty
intense
ordeal.
You
know
at
that
point
in
the
game.
C
I
F
And
we
do
do
some
diff
additional
assessments,
they're
called
classroom
assessments,
and
so
they
give
us
an
overall
idea
of
the
program
as
it
stands
today
we
can
share
those
metrics
as
we
go
through
the
process,
which
also
then
leads
into
accreditation
standards.
So
we
can
even
do
a
tiered
approach.
We
have
some
who
are
high
functioning.
They
won't
take
long
to
get
through
this
accreditation
process.
We
have
some
that
are
really
struggling,
perhaps
with
their
business
acumen.
J
I
H
A
I
mean
for
for
us,
you
know
it's
it's
an
investment
on
the
front
side,
but
on
the
back
side
the
the
child
care
centers
will
will
get
additional
funding
to
to
increase
their
programming
and
do
even
a
better
job.
So
I
think
it's
a
you
know.
As
we
look
forward,
you
know
problem
with
education.
You
can't
look
at
a
one
year
cycle
and
figure.
You're
gonna
make
a
difference.
A
You
can't
so
if
we
can't
make
a
difference
over
three
to
five
year
period
of
time,
it's
not
worth
doing,
and
this
is
just
a
a
way
for
us
to
make
that
that
first
initial
impact
on
those
kids
that
are
most
vulnerable
and
in
most
their
sponges,
they
want
to
learn,
and
so,
if
we
can
get
them
at
the
right,
the
right
tools
to
learn
so
that
we
don't
have
that
cycle
of
poverty.
The
cycle
of
you
know
crime
we're
all
going
to
be
better
off.
So
we
appreciate.
I
A
K
L
Fellow
mayor
commissioners,
as
you
know,
we've
been
going
through
the
water
today,
we've
just
seen
this
presentation
more
than
once.
We've
come
to
the
point
where
it's
time
that
we
initiate
these
rate
increases.
L
Ralph
telst
has
been
our
consultant.
They
have
done
all
the
work.
As
you
know,
you
approve
for
them
to
be
our
consultant,
and
so
henry
thomas
with
ralph
telus
is
here
today
to
give
you
the
final
presentation
on
the
water
wastewater,
reclaimed,
water
utility
rates
and
the
impact
fee
rates
that
they
have
prevented
the
study.
For
so
with
that,
I
will
turn
over
to
henry
thomas.
M
M
You
can
okay
good
all
right
so
so
this
project
was
originally
initiated
in
january
2020..
There
were
several
things
that
led
to
it
being
set
aside
for
a
period
of
time.
One
was
coveted
19
and
the
desire
to
to
maintain
rates
and
and
not
see,
another
increase.
M
Given
that
impact,
and
then
also
you
had
some
issues
with
your
water
billing
that
we
were
confident
would
produce
extra
revenues
once
we
had
the
answers
so
rather
than
set
rates.
Without
that
knowledge,
we
waited
for
the
completion
of
that
water
billing
audit
and,
as
I
will
report
to
you,
it
did
increase
revenues
by
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
so
that
that
helped
the
overall
picture.
M
But
in
addition,
this
time
we're
also
going
to
propose
some
rate
design
changes
in
the
past,
the
rate
increases
were
applied
as
an
equal
percentage
to
all
customer
types
and
sizes,
but
our
investigations
pointed
out
that
we
probably
need
to
address
commercial
rates
because,
as
I
will
show
you,
your
commercial
rates
were
actually
being
subsidized
by
residential
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
M
M
These
are
ancillary
services
that
the
monthly
rates
don't
cover,
such
as
new
account
connects
and
things
like
that,
and
then
we
also
looked
at
your
impact
fees
and,
of
course,
there's
a
couple
things
to
note
is
that
one
capital
costs
are
up
significantly
and
we
need
to
reflect
that
so
that
new
development
and
new
growth
helps
pay
their
share
of
those
capital
costs
to
ensure
that
existing
rate
payers
don't
have
to
to
to
weigh
that
burden
of
that
new
growth
impact.
M
So
the
the
agenda
I
have
prepared
for
you
today
we're
going
to
look
at
the
rate
and
fee
analysis
than
the
impact
fees
and
then
I'll
just
finalize
by
giving
you
my
findings
and
recommendations.
M
So,
as
you
know,
and
as
we've
discussed
whenever
we
have
these
enterprise
fund
studies,
the
idea
is
to
balance
the
revenues
with
the
expenditures
and,
just
like
you
have
to
balance
your
budget
on
an
expenditure
basis.
We
try
to
have
the
rates
balance.
However,
it
is
reasonable
that
one
of
the
things
we
measure
and
review
is
your
cash
balances.
Your
reserve
fund
balances.
M
If
you
will,
it's
always
nice
to
have
reserves
and
we
have
reasonable
target
levels
that
we
make
sure
that
we
acquire
are
achieved,
but
then
over
the
five-year
plan.
The
idea
is
by
the
end
of
five
years
or
sooner,
that
the
rates
are
fully
supporting
and
the
other
goal
is
that
water
rates
pay
for
water
customers,
reclaim
rates,
pay
for
reclaimed
and
wastewater
pays
for
wastewater
because
not
all
are
the
same.
M
M
When
we
look
at
the
revenues
of
the
system,
it
includes
rate
revenues,
interest
income
on
fund
balance,
miscellaneous
charges,
all
those
can
be
pledged
towards
the
payment
of
debt
and
to
balance
that
that
budget
and
that
equation
impact
fees
can
also
be
used,
but
they
have
to
be
used
per
per
case
law
and
florida
statutes.
M
They're
used
specifically
for
capital
costs
that
are
related
to
expansion
of
the
system
to
serve
new
growth,
so
we
can
either
use
it
for
a
project
that
is,
expansion
related
that
provides
more
capacity
or
we
can
use
it
to
pay
debt,
which
is
largely
what
we're
doing.
In
this
case,
we
are
doing
some
project
costs
from
impact
fees
but,
for
example,
the
debt
service
on
that
sewer
plant
that
has
capacity.
M
M
There
are
some
miscellaneous
fees
and
that
go
in
there
as
well,
including
late
payment
penalties
and
service
fees,
but
on
the
on
the
cost
side,
keep
in
mind
that
the
the
the
approach
we
take
is
a
cash
based
approach,
so
it
differs
slightly
than
when
you
look
at
your
financial
statements
in
your
fina
annual
financial
report.
In
there
one
of
the
operating
expenses
is
depreciation.
M
M
We
look
at
cash
because
your
lender
obligations
are
all
cash
flow
based,
so
we
we
use
those
lender
obligations,
the
flow
of
funds,
the
debt
service
coverage,
covenants
in
your
srf
and
bond
loans,
and
we
use
that
as
our
model
for
setting
rates
which
makes
everything
cash.
So
we
look
at
your
cash
expenses.
M
We
look
at
your
debt
and
your
capital
needs
primarily
the
debt
gets
applied
to
large
projects,
one-time
projects
and
and
certainly
expansion
related
projects.
M
If
you
will,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
a
series
of
pancaking
loans
with
higher
and
higher
interest
expense,
so
the
the
debt
part
and
the
capital
part
are
related,
but
we
have
a
little
different
funding
sources
and
then,
of
course,
another
major
cost
category
that
we'll
talk
about
is
the
transfers
to
the
to
the
city.
There's
actually
two
major
forms
of
transfer:
one
is
an
indirect
cost
transfer.
If
you
will
it's
overheads
incurred
by
human
resources,
finance
your
cost
of
managing
the
system.
M
If
you
will,
at
a
policy
level
the
internal
management
costs
and
we
allocate
those
costs,
the
city
actually
does
a
study
and
allocates
a
certain
amount
of
general
fund
costs
to
each
enterprise.
So
we
recognize
that
and
then,
in
addition,
we
have
a
transfer
that
is
historically
we're
calling
it
a
transfer
to
the
general
fund.
It's
been
historically
referred
to
as
a
payment
lieu
of
taxes.
M
It's
a
franchise
fee
payment,
lower
franchise
fees,
it's
as
if
a
private
utility
operated
the
system.
The
general
fund
would
be
entitled
to
some
return
for
doing
that,
and
we've
built
that
in
because
your
policy
historically
has
been
to
to
fund
those
monies
in
the
to
to
bring
summer
utilities
into
the
general
fund,
and
we've
continued
to
do
that
in
the
future.
M
So,
in
addition
to
the
to
the
cash
needs,
we
also
make
sure
that
and
our
strategy
for
how
we
fund
capital.
We
also
have
some
reserve
targets
that
we
want
to
maintain
so
that
we
don't
dip
below
them
and
put
the
system
in
in
financial
peril.
And
then
you
know,
we've
got
ongoing
cash
flow
requirements
like
our
I'll
refer
to
later
and
define
a
little
better.
But
your
lenders
all
ask
you
to
have
a
coverage
over
and
above
the
amount
of
debt
you
own.
M
One
of
the
reasons
they
ask
for
that
coverage
is
to
make
sure
you
have
money
to
reinvest
in
the
system
because
without
it
you
wouldn't
be
a
going
concern,
but
it's
also
to
give
them
security
that
you
can
pay
them
back.
Obviously,
but
your
requirements
are
that
the
debt
gets
paid
first
and
then
any
money
left
over
after
that
can
be
used
for
other
purposes,
including
reinvestment
in
the
system.
So
you've
got
some
very
specific
requirements
by
lenders
that
drive
the
rate
making
process
and-
and
that's
largely
why
I'm
here
is
you.
M
So
we
again
real
quick.
We
use
existing
cash
reserves
as
appropriate
to
phase
in
rate
adjustments.
We
maintained
a
targeted
reserve
level
of
150
days
of
revenue.
Now
your
bond
covenants
don't
really
address
a
cash
reserve
target,
but
keep
in
mind.
You
know
we
need
reserves
for
not
only
operating
contingencies
but
in
water
sales
and
how
that
affects
wastewater
revenue.
You
have
dry
years
wet
years,
so
you
need
to
have
you
know
the
revenue
streams
not
always
smooth,
but
also
you
know,
disasters,
storms,
recovery,
the
utilities
share
of
those
costs.
M
So
we
we
maintain
cash
reserves.
We
have
coverage
of
client
requirements
and
your
senior
lien
debt,
which
is
your
revenue
bonds
and
such
require
you
to
meet
100
of
your
debt
service,
plus
your
your
any
transfer
requirements.
If
you're
deficient
in
a
fund,
you
need
to
make
that
up.
Those
transfer
requirements
are
part
of
that
hundred
percent
calculation,
and
then
you
need
to
make
a
hundred
and
ten
based
on
rates
only
and
then
the
120
percent
that
I'm
showing
as
a
coverage
requirement,
is
with
rates
and
system
development
charges
or
impact
fees.
M
Then
you've
got
subordinate
liens
with
srf
and
that's
really
your
lender
of
choice
these
days,
because,
especially
like
your
wastewater
plant,
I
I
don't
need
to
remind
you,
but
you
were
able
to
borrow
money
for
less
than
one
percent
interest
to
build
that
wastewater
plant,
so
they're
real
important
and
they
want
a
recu
subordinate
coverage
requirement
after
you
meet
the
senior
they
want
a
hundred
percent
of
their
debt
service
115
covered
in
order.
We
work
with
this
with
financial
advisors
and
such
and
in
order
to
have
a
healthy
system.
M
We
then
calculate
an
internal
coverage
target
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
percent
that
includes
all
debt,
and
that
target
is
to
make
sure
we
have
a
minimum
level
of
reinvestment
in
the
system
and,
as
you
can
see,
as
you'll
see
based
on
the
r
r
budgets
we
have
built
in
that
you
exceed
all
of
these
coverage
targets.
We
don't
set
the
rates
to
achieve
coverage.
M
We
set
the
rates
to
fund
your
needs
and
then
we
test
for
compliance
for
coverage.
So
it
isn't
that
these
coverages
are
forcing
the
rate
increases
the
result
of
doing
the
right
things
and
how
that's
funded
that
results
in
the
coverage
targets
being
met.
So
then
we
also
updated
the
impact
fees
again
with
the
idea
that
growth
needs
to
pay
its
own
way.
M
M
Again,
that's
a
significant
number
of
reclaimed
accounts
you're
you're,
to
be
commended
for
for
using
that
water
in
that
way,
because
it
offsets
the
need
for
potable
water
to
be
used
for
irrigation.
M
The
customer
account
growth
is
approximately
two
percent
a
year
over
the
next
five
years.
As
I've
told
you
in
the
past,
I'm
a
little
conservative.
You
may
outperform
that
with
everything
that's
going
on.
Of
course,
you
know
the
economy
can
change
on
the
on
a
whim,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
something
that
we
feel
is
sustainable
it.
The
growth
is
actually
a
little
more
front
loaded
in
the
five
years,
but
over
five
years
it's
about
two
percent
a
year,
so
based
on
a
two
percent
growth
rate.
M
Your
current
combined
revenues
for
all
enterprise
funds-
here
water
wastewater
reclaimed,
are
20.6
million
in
2022,
increasing
to
22.1
million
by
26..
That's
all
no
rate
increases.
Just
customer
growth
should
get
us
an
extra
one,
1.5
million
dollars
in
revenue
over
the
next
five
years.
M
There
are
other
revenues
which
are
your
late
fees,
meter
set
fees,
meter,
tap
fees,
all
those
miscellaneous
charges,
interest
income
produce
about
another
million
and
a
half
a
year
in
revenue
that
can
be
pledged
to
repay
debt
and
make
coverage
and
fund
projects,
and
then
your
impact
fee
revenues,
of
which
a
a
good
portion
is
we
use
for
debt
service
based
on
that
two
percent
growth?
Will
it
will
be
an
average
of
about
5.6
million
a
year
over
the
next
five
years.
So
that's
why
you
can
see
that
how
important
they
are.
M
The
five
point:
six
million
goes-
is
a
pretty
big
number
relative
to
20.6
million
in
overall
rate
revenue.
So
it's
very
significant
and,
as
you
know,
we
only
get
one
shot
at
the
impact
fees.
That's
as
the
growth
occurs
once
it's
once
it's
here.
If
we
haven't
charged
adequate
fees,
we
lose
that
revenue
forever.
M
So
then
revenue
requirements
your
operating
expenses.
These
are
cash
operating
expenses
of
about
19.3
million,
increasing
to
22.1
million
by
fy26.
That's
about
three
and
a
half
percent
a
year.
Now
I
will
tell
you
if
there's
areas
in
the
studies
I'm
doing
recently,
that
make
me
a
little
uneasy.
It's
the
inflation
rate
and
what
that
might
look
like
if
things
don't
return
to
normal,
the
cost
increases
are
a
little
higher
early
on,
but
again,
that's
more
like
normal
practice
in
in
the
past.
M
It's
not
increased
significantly
to
try
to
capture
current
current
inflation,
but
we
do
have
the
reserves
to
help
us
cover
that,
if
needed
and
we're
trying
not
to
over
the
burden,
your
public,
which
is
already
facing
the
impacts
of
inflation
through
their
daily
life.
There
are
no
new
ftes,
so
we're
not
adding
staff.
This
rate
increase
won't
fund.
Any
new
staff.
M
M
The
capital
improvements
plan
over
the
five-year
period
is
122.5
million.
Of
that
a
significant
amount
of
34
percent
of
the
plan
is,
is
contingent
upon
receiving
grants
that
you're
aggressively
pursuing
48.3
million
in
new
debt
funded
projects
or
about
37
percent
of
the
plan.
If
we
can
keep
our
debt
ratio
to
less
than
50
percent,
that's
a
good
thing.
So
this
doesn't
over
over
overly
leverage
you
and
then
about
38.1
million
are
impact
fee
projects
where
we
pay
for
them
directly
from
impact
fees
and
rate
funded
projects.
That's
those
annual
reoccurring
reinvestment.
M
They
make
up
about
29
of
the
capital
plan,
so
new
debt
is
programmed
in
a
a
series
of
loans
that
we
don't
borrow
every
year,
but
every
few
years
the
first
new
debt
is
part
of
that
48
million
dollars
in
debt
funded
is
the
annual
debt
service
is
890
000.
That
would
begin
in
2026,
based
on
the
major
capital
improvements
one
year
after
our
plan,
you're
going
to
see
another
2.4
million
a
year
from
the
new
water
plant.
M
So
compared
to
recent
historical
levels,
we've
ramped
up
the
spending
on
meter,
replacements,
lift
station
rehabilitation,
that's
really
important
to
the
wastewater
system
and
water
and
sewer
line
replacements.
So
we
have
aggressively
attempted
to
invest
in
the
system
and
make
sure
it
operates
properly
and
we
don't
face
any
consent,
orders
or
let
it
deteriorate.
M
Okay.
So
recent
efforts
to
reduce
costs
and
increase
revenues.
Water
company
of
america,
billing
audit
found
us
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
more
in
revenues
that
we
factored
into
our
revenue
plan.
It
was
based
on
non-functioning
meters
that
we,
they
discovered,
accounts
that
were
just
not
being
billed
and
incorrect
billing
meter
multipliers,
as
you
may
know,
within
the
meter
within
the
meter
and
billing
process.
M
M
Also
they
outsource
lab
costs,
saving
about
eighty
three
thousand
and
then
your
plant
operator
levels
were
actually
decreased
from
twenty
four
hours,
staffing
to
sixteen
hour
staffing,
which
saves
about
140
000
a
year,
so
this
chart
just
shows
the
components
of
the
revenue
requirements.
The
portion
of
the
bar
chart
in
red
is
your
operating
expense.
M
The
general
fund
transfers
are
in
yellow
and
proportionally
they
stay
about
the
same,
and
then
capital
funded
from
rates
is
the
blue
part
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
that
in
2022
and
it
those
expenditures
for
water
exceeded
the
the
the
revenues.
So
that
was
where
we
used
some
reserves
and,
of
course,
water
system
is
in
pretty
good
financial
condition
compared
to
wastewater
in
terms
of
wastewater.
M
The
debt
service
includes
that
50
60
million
dollar
wastewater
plant,
and
so
that's
the
orange
again.
The
red
is
the
operating
same
convention.
Yellow
is
the
general
fund
transfer
and
the
blue's
the
capital
funded
from
rates.
So
in
this
case
you
know
we
are
deficient
in
each
and
every
year.
If
we
stay
at
current
rates
and
then
finally,
recrain
claimed
is
tracking
similar
to
water,
and
it's
only
you
know
we're
going
to
have
minor
increases
in
water
and
reclaimed
water
to
make
sure
we
keep
up
with
those
costs.
M
M
We
did
note
that
in
your
wastewater
plant
debt
there's
about
15
million
improvements
that
are
not
those
assets
are
not
currently
in
use,
they're
stranded.
It
relates
to
the
fertilizer
plant
and
some
costs
for
a
plant.
That's
since
been
shut
down
and
those
the
loan
was
62
million.
So
of
that
15
million
of
those
improvements,
we
aren't
really
getting
a
benefit
for
that
that
results
in
wastewater
and
water,
well
wastewater
debt
being
about
810
000
annually
are
about
10
of
current
wastewater
revenues.
Now
you
know
we
recognize
these
as
problems
in
hindsight.
M
But
again,
if
we
had
not
built
those
projects,
the
rates
could
be
lower.
Future
increases
in
annual
debt
service
do
an
additional
borrowing.
That's
a
major
part
of
this,
particularly
on
the
water
side,
inflationary
increases
in
operating
expenses
and
again
trying
to
increase
our
renewal
and
replacement
funding.
M
M
So
here's
the
picture
of
the
cash
reserves.
The
operating
fund
is
in
blue,
the
minimum
fund
balance
for
renewal
and
replacement,
because
we
we
spend
money
every
year,
but
there
is
in
your
bond
covenants
a
minimum
reserve
requirement.
That's
the
small
part
at
the
top
in
yellow
and
then
our
targets
include
150
day
of
revenue.
That's
the
dashed.
Yellow
line
and
180
degree
is
our
preferred
target
that
we
don't
really
achieve
through
the
period,
but
that's
okay.
M
As
long
as
we
stay
above
the
150,
but
that's
our
target
balances
on
cash
and
what
we
expect
to
achieve,
then
these
just
both
charts,
demonstrate
that
your
senior
and
debt
service
coverage,
the
requirements-
are
the
dashed
lines.
The
bars
are
the
achieved,
coverages
and
you're
more
than
adequate
in
each
and
every
year,
okay,
so
rate
design.
M
This
is
where
we
varied
a
little
bit
from
recommending
on
the
wastewater
side.
On
the
water
side,
we
would
recommend
the
three
and
a
half
percent
gets
applied
to
all
charges
and
all
customer
classes
across
the
board.
On
the
wastewater
side,
we're
going
to
share
with
you
some
of
our
results
that
have
led
us
to
recommend
that,
instead
of
thirteen
and
a
half
percent
for
all
customers,
we're
going
to
recommend
eight
and
a
half
percent
for
residential
customers
and
as
a
whole,
the
commercial
class
will
see
about
a
21
rate
increase
you.
M
Currently,
your
your
rates
for
consumption
are
tiered,
in
other
words,
as
the
consumption
increases,
the
cost
goes
up
on
water,
typically
in
the
industry
for
wastewater,
because
the
vast
majority
80
of
the
costs
in
wastewater
are
fixed.
They
don't
vary
by
the
level
of
flow.
M
We
typically
see
utilities
that
that
base
charges
increases,
as
the
customer
size
goes
up
right
now,
you
charge
the
same
base
charge
for
the
hospital
that
you
charge
a
law
office
and
we're
going
to
recommend
changing
that
and
we'll
show
you
it's
a
common
practice.
It's
recommended
by
the
american
water
waste
water,
water
works
association.
M
It's
also
used
by
the
florida
public
service
commission
as
a
common
practice
to
have
these
meter
size
increase
as
the
customer
size
goes
up
and
it
really
reflects
the
availability
to
serve
and
the
demands
of
the
accounts,
regardless
of
how
much
flow
there
is.
So
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
again
scaling
the
charges
by
meter
size,
the
scaling
factors
are
linked
to
the
hydraulic
capacity
of
the
meter,
so
the
bigger
the
meter,
the
bigger
the
flow,
can
be
to
the
customer
and
back
from
the
wastewater
side
of
the
house.
So
we've
scaled.
M
These
fact.
These
charges
up
by
that
capacity
and
again
the
the
target
for
commercial,
is
higher
than
the
13
and
a
half.
We
did
only
increase
the
commercial
usage
charge
by
5
to
mitigate
somewhat
the
impact
of
all
of
this,
but
again
because
we're
doing
the
higher
commercial
it
will
keep
the
residential
increase
down
to
eight
and
a
half
percent
a
year.
So
let
me
just
show
you
it'll
also
give
you
more
revenue,
stability,
but
here's.
M
M
Larger
customers,
like
I
said,
the
hospital
various
large
industrial
users.
They
all
still
only
pay
a
8.18.83
base
charge.
If
you
look
at
our
proposed
column,
you
can
see
the
base
charges
for
10
inch
meter
are
pretty
significant,
which
is
saying
a
lot
more
of
the
fixed
costs
ought
to
be
recovered.
Through
that
charge,
we've
recommended
that
the
usage
charge
only
go
up
5
to
328,
but
these
would
be
the
monthly
base
charges
for
the
different
meter
sizes
in
your
system.
M
M
So
it
moves
up,
but
again
we're
not
trying
to
solve
this
problem
overnight.
So,
as
you
can
see,
if
we
go
to
the
grocery
store
a
two
inch
meter
with
42,
000
gallons
of
use,
the
survey
average
on
by
the
way
on
that
restaurant
was
almost
500
and
you're
charging
just
a
little
over
300..
When
we
go
to
the
grocery
store.
The
survey
average
is
280
and
right
now
you're
charging
right
at
150..
M
M
Medium
school,
two
inch,
meter,
178,
000,
gallons,
a
unit
same
story,
average
charge
out.
There
is
887
you're
charging
less
than
600,
very
lowest
in
the
chart,
and
if
I
go
through
the
rest
of
these
large
school
four
inch,
meter,
805,
000,
gallons
use
you're
in
the
same
position.
M
M
That
same
charge
is
almost
12
000,
based
on
the
survey
average
for
a
customer
that
size
using
that
much
water.
So
that's
why
we
came
to
the
conclusion
that
at
this
point
in
time,
with
those
significant
sewer
increases,
it
was
only
fair
to
have
commercial
customers,
try
to
pick
up
some
proportionate
share
of
their
burden
so
that
the
the
rates
don't
affect
everybody
at
a
13.5
level
and,
as
you
can
see,
even
with
the
increases
you'll
still
be
among
the
lowest
in
the
region
for
commercial
rates.
M
This
just
shows
you
the
water
and
wastewater
bill.
You
are
among
the
lowest
there,
but,
as
you
can
see
over
time,
you're
going
to
move
up,
keep
in
mind
that
this
shows
your
five-year
plan.
Everybody
else's
rates
are
those
rates
that
are
in
place
currently
and,
of
course,
raphtalus
works
for
a
number
of
these
communities
and
sanford
has
a
multi-year
rate
increase
they're
going
to
be
going
up
this
year.
Eight
percent,
you
know,
city
of
claremont,
is
currently
doing
a
rate
study.
M
So
this
is
just
the
bills
themselves,
for
seven
thousand
gallons,
just
to
show
you
what
the
rates
would
be,
the
existing
rate
is
53.28,
the
23
rate
would
be
56.84,
then
the
next
one
was
62.51.
M
One
other
thing
that
we're
going
to
recommend
you
do-
that
is
a
common
practice.
Is
that
for
certain
types
of
customer
processes,
the
the
volume
charges
on
wastewater
bills
are
based
on
meter
readings.
M
M
Those
types
of
customers
don't
do
a
lot
of
irrigating,
but
chillers
and
cooling
towers,
use
the
water
for
industrial
processes
and
it
doesn't
turn
around
and
need
to
be
treated.
So
the
industry
practice
is
to
use
a
deduct
meter.
The
the
you
place,
a
meter
on
the
on
the
water
flow
that
goes
to
the
chillers
and
cooling
towers,
and
the
customers
get
a
credit
for
that
water
use.
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
this
out
there,
but
the
customers
have
asked
us
to
consider
that,
and
it
is
a
standard
industry
practice.
M
So
we
would
recommend
you
consider
that
as
well
miscellaneous
fees,
so
we
worked
with
staff
to
identify
the
direct
labor
costs,
equipment
supplies,
vehicle
expenses
used
to
perform
request
services.
So
we
have
account
startup,
that's
more
of
an
in-house
administrative
charge.
Customer
deposits
meter
tap
fees
where
you
have
to
provide
taps
for
service
backflow
prevention
fees,
meter
re-reads,
where
the
customer
requests
more
than
one
or
the
meter
wasn't
are
what
proved
to
be
accurate
and
they
want
it.
Re-Read
again,
delinquent
reconnection,
meter,
tampering
and
turn-on
turn-off
fees.
M
The
deposits
are
up
slightly
because
we
liked
our
our
deposits
to
cover
the
city
in
case
the
customer
cancels
service
and
doesn't
pay
their
final
bills.
Those
deposits
are
generally
returned
once
the
customer
in
the
residential
case
shows
that
they're
paying
their
bills
timely
over
a
period
of
time
on
commercial,
it's
a
little
trickier
because
they
can
be
doing
good
and
the
economy
goes
bad
and
they
still
may
leave
you
holding
a
bill
that
they
didn't
pay.
So
typically,
we
keep
those
deposits
backflow
preventions
up
slightly
from
220
to
224.
M
The
meter
set
fee,
which
includes
the
the
meter,
is
going
from
350
to
410.
A
lot
of
that
is
the
increase
in
meter
costs,
tap
fees
to
tap
short
and
long
lines
are
up
slightly
the
late
charge.
We
did
not
adjust
upward,
that's
you
know,
obviously,
customers
struggling
to
pay
their
bills
and
the
decision
was
made
not
to
to
to
leave
that
situation
alone.
M
Meter
tampering,
so
we've
addressed
all
those
fees
they're
in
your
in
your
packet
and
then
finally,
the
impact
fees,
so
new
growth
impact
fees
are
attempting
to
sign
to
the
extent
practical
growth
related
costs
to
new
development.
Obviously,
the
committee's
facing
the
burden
of
serving
a
great
deal
of
new
development
as
we
move
forward
and
by
by
making
sure
that
those
fees
are
reasonable
and
adequate.
It
avoids
the
the
existing
users
paying
this.
M
M
So
we
look
at
what
goes
into
impact
fees.
It's
not
the
meters,
it's
not
the
lines
down
the
neighborhoods
that
developers
typically
put
in
and
donate
it's
the
backbone
infrastructure
system
which
includes
treatment
and
supply
and
the
large
transmission
and
collection
lines.
So
it's
the
the
bigger
system
that
serves
everybody.
M
We
look
at
not
only
your
current
assets
that
have
capacity
to
serve
growth,
but
also
your
adopted
capital
improvement
plan
and
we
used
engineering
estimates
about
what
that
new
water
plant
is
going
to
cost
and
how
much
capacity
it's
going
to
have.
The
existing
level
of
services
were
not
revised.
You
can
see
here
without
reclaimed
it's
300
gallons
a
day
with
reclaimed.
Water
is
400
gallons,
a
day,
wastewater,
300
and
reclaimed.
M
M
So
here's
where
we're
at
the
water
one
is
the
one
that's
really
going
up,
but
we've
got
quite
an
investment
in
new
reclaimed
facilities
as
well,
so
those
fees
would
go
from
957
to
almost
2500
for
re,
with
reclaimed
without
from
1260
to
3305.
M
M
M
So
here's
a
comparison
of
your
impact
fees,
they're
more
they're,
not
quite
as
as
divergent
you're,
more
a
little
above
the
middle
of
the
pack.
With
these
new
proposed
fees,
you
would
kind
of
go
to
the
higher
end,
but
keep
in
mind
that
one
of
the
things
that
influences
impact
fees
is
the
kind
of
investments
and
the
timing
of
them.
With
that
new
water
plant
coming
online,
you
can
see
the
blue
portion
is
increasing
significantly
to
help
pay
for
that
new
water
plant.
M
So
that's
why
you're
moving
up
in
the
stack
many
of
these
other
utilities,
their
plants
have
been
online
for
some
time
now,
so
they're
not
seeing
that
incremental
bump.
As
of
yet
but
again,
this
is
kind
of
the
same
group
that
we've
been
comparing
you
to
over
time.
The
the
average
impact
fee
is
just
a
little
over
five
thousand
dollars,
whereas
again
your
combined
impact
fee
for
what
for
water
and
wastewater
is
going
to
be.
M
So
to
to
wrap
up-
and
you
all-
have
been
quiet
and
haven't
stopped
being
asked
lots
of
questions.
I
hope
you
wrote
them
down,
because
I
want
to
try
to
answer
them
all
and
I've
been
going
pretty
fast,
but
the
existing
rates
are
not
going
to
be
sufficient.
If
we
don't
do
anything,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
fund
our
projects
going
forward,
operating
expenses
and
capital
costs
related
to
r
r
system
upgrades
additional
debt.
M
M
So
we
would
recommend
you
adopt
the
proposed
plan.
You
have
been
reviewing
rates
every
five
years.
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
in
the
mode
we're
in-
and
I
I
may
not
be
here
for
the
next
time
around,
but
I
think
for
in
the
near
future.
M
M
Those
customers
that
are
operating
in
other
jurisdictions
see
those
all
the
time.
So
you
can
look
them
right
in
the
eye
and
say
you're
only
doing
what's
fair
to
your
customers
as
a
whole,
the
miscellaneous
fees.
We
recommend
the
impact
fees.
The
credit
for
deduct
meters
is
a
good
policy
in
practice.
M
M
D
Mr
velasquez,
there
was
a
lot
to
kind
of
absorb,
basically
at
the
end
for
the
customer
for
the
residential
customer.
What
type
of
increase
do
you
think
they
will
be
seeing?
Okay.
M
D
D
Until
november
november,
so
when
they
get
their
billing,
will
they
have
some
kind
of
notification
that
you
know
the
the
the
rates
have
gone
up
and
how
much?
How
does
that
work.
L
L
M
So
your
question
about
the
impact,
so
your
your
typical
user
out
there
uses
about
7
000
gallons
a
month
right.
Their
water
and
wastewater
bill
would
go
from
50
to
53
28
and
keep
in
mind
that's
among
the
lowest
in
central
florida,
and
it
would
go
to
56.84.
D
Year,
okay,
that's,
I
think,
is
it's
not
going
to
be
like
you
know,
they're
going
to
go
from
53
to
like
63.,
so
it's
just
a
three
dollar
increase
on
a
monthly
basis,
averaging
7,
000
gallons
a
month.
M
G
N
G
Nobody
likes
to
raise
prices,
nobody
likes
to
feel
that,
but
if
we
don't
we're
in
worse
shape
as
we
go
along,
I
thought
you
did
a
great
job,
really
breaking
it
down
in
detail,
and
I
I
don't
have
as
much
of
an
issue
that
that
we're
leading
the
pack
on
the
impact
side,
because
we
had
this
debate.
G
You
know
several
years
ago
that
it's
more
based
on
the
user,
so
the
cost,
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
increase
it
on
the
impact
side,
it's
going
to
increase
on
the
tax
side
eventually
and
then
everybody's
paying
for
that
and
people
who
have
already
paid
for
their
infrastructure
are
now
paying
for
somebody
else's
infrastructure.
So
this
is
really
the
only
reasonable
way
to
do
that
and
it
not
really
weigh
up
on
those
who've
already
paid
their
and.
M
That's
the
theory
and
I
would
add
anecdotally,
I
don't
have
studies,
but
if
you
look
around
and
look
at
the
committees
with
the
highest
impact
fees,
they
happen
to
be
the
highest
growing
communities.
So
I
I
would
tell
you
that
this
impact
fee
isn't
going
to
change
the
potential
for
growth.
Apopka
has
been
always
been
fast
growing
and,
as
you
know,
when
we
did
the
wreck
impact
fees
and
stuff
we
looked
at,
we
had
left
a
lot
of
money
on
the
table
by
having
real
low
impact
fees
for
many
growth
years.
G
And
that's
my
point:
had
we
done
that,
then
it
wouldn't
be
as
difficult
now
so
incrementally
getting
to
that
place,
trying
to
keep
people
from
feeling
the
pain
at
the
same
time
making
the
decisions
we
have
to
make.
I'm,
I
think,
we're
doing
well
to
do
this.
My
last
question
was:
you
said,
review
more
often,
how
often.
M
Well,
I
I
think
I
would
put
my
trust
in
mr
bass
to
kind
of
keep
his
thumbs
on
things,
but
I
would
think
you'd
want
to
come
back
and
revisit
this,
perhaps
within
three
years,
rather
than
waiting
five,
and
we
may
want
to
also
take
another
look
at
those
commercial
rates,
because
I
didn't
solve
the
entire
subsidy
issue.
I
I
you
can't
fix
overnight,
what's
been
in
place
for
a
while,
so
we
took
a
first
pass
at
it,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
paying
their
fair
share
ultimately,
and
so.
G
G
B
Well,
I
personally
think
that
we're
going
in
the
right
direction
by
separating
the
residential
from
the
commercial
that
the
commercials
are
not
riding
on
the
backs
of
our
residents
and
as
you
indicated
that,
because
other
cities
are
already
above
where
we
are
that
this
should
not
have
any
impact
on
the
development
of
businesses
coming
into
our
city.
B
I
In
the
focus
here
can
we
go
back
to
and
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
go
back
to
the
actual
slide
but
stranded
assets?
Can
you
dive
into
that?
Okay.
M
So
when
I
say
stranded
there
were,
there
was
a.
Let
me
let
me
go
back
because
maybe
ed
can
help
me,
but
one
of
the
things
was
a
fertilizer
plant
that
was
a
four
million
dollar
investment
that
was
tied
to
the
wastewater
plant
expansion
in
the
past
and
in.
In
addition,
there
was
a
the
the
existing
plant
was
expanded
and
today
you're
not
using
that
plant.
You,
you
basically
are
running
all
the
waste
water
through
the
new
plant.
A
Well,
there's
two
pieces:
one
is
the
the
west
plant
won't
meet
standards.
So
it's
it's!
It's
a
wasted
asset
fertilizer
plant
based
on
gas
prices.
You
have
to
dry
the
the
material
to
get
it
to
make
to
pelletize
it
to
make
it
a
fertilizer
right.
Now
it's
about
a
at
least
a
2x,
maybe
a
3x.
What
it
costs
us
to
haul
it
off.
A
M
I've
got
I've,
got
a
client
serves
the
us
virgin
islands
and
they
were
built
using
all
their
energy
was
from
diesel
fuel.
If
you
can
imagine,
and
they
built
a
propane
handling
facility
to
bring
in
and
import
propane
into
the
islands
to
lower
their
fuel
costs.
The
only
problem
is
by
the
time
that
160
million
dollar
project
got
completed.
M
I
Of
course,
you
would
reference
backflow
preventers
as
well.
Is
that
something-
and
this
may
not
be
your
question-
it
could
be
an
ambassador.
L
The
fee
that
you
see
in
here
is
the
field
charge
new
development.
They
pay
the
back
flow
prevention
fee
when
they
come
in
for
all
new
service.
They
pay
it
the
first
time
the
actual
cost
to
change
out.
Backflows
are
built
in
the
operating
budget,
so
they
will
be
operating
your
operating
expense
design
for
changing
out
backflows.
Now,
as
you
know,
the
current
backflow
program
that
we
have
is
that
the
customer
pays
the
back
for
a
fee.
L
M
Okay,
so
if
you
adopt
them,
I
will,
I
will
say
this
state
of
florida
passed
a
statute
in
2007
and
is
updated,
and
the
last
one
was,
I
believe,
in
late
2019
that
regulates
municipal
impact
fees.
However,
it
does
exempt
water
and
wastewater
fees
specifically
in
the
act
now
home
rule
is
an
important
reason.
They
did
that,
of
course,
home
rule
they
they
chose
to
regulate
the
other
ones,
and
you
have
to
phase
in
the
increases.
You
can't
do
it,
except
once
every
four
years
lots
of
new
rules.
M
Obviously
developers
have
good
lobbyists
to
get
these
rules
in,
but
I
will
tell
you
this:
the
the
the
practices
that
we
follow
that
are
good
practices.
Are
you
have
to
keep
the
monies
in
a
separate
account?
You
have
to
use
water
impact
fees
for
water
projects
or
water
debt
use
waste
water
for
wastewater
reclaim
for
reclaim
so
that
the
people
that
paid
it
in
see
the
benefit
back
now,
one
of
the
things
that
we
recommend
that
you've
been
doing
through
the
last
one
I
would
recommend
you
continue
to
do-
is
once
you
adopt
it.
M
We
don't
think
that's
fair.
They
should
be
able
to
recognize
this
and
clear
their
inventory
so
to
speak,
and
because
everybody
and
all
your
other
fees,
you
have
this
90-day
waiting
period.
We
recommend
you
do
that,
so
it
would
be
from
the
date
of
adoption.
You
wouldn't
start
billing
them
for
and
you
you
collect
them
at
the
time
of
permitting
so
permits
that
get
issued.
90
days
thereafter
would
be
subject
to
these
higher
fees.
I
Okay,
so-
and
that
was
my
concern
that
you
for
answering-
that
question
was
that
we
have
people
already
going
through
the
process
and
now
we're
kind
of
moving
the
goal
post
on
them
to
almost
effectively
doubling
their
impact
fees.
So
right
that
was
definitely
a
concern
and
I
just
know
we're
our
staff
is
great,
but
we
need
more
on
the
planning
side.
I
So
my
concern
is
that
90
day
period
may
not
be
long
enough
as
they
go
through
the
approval
process,
just
because
it
takes
time
we
we
have
a
lot
of
processes,
so
it
I
would
ask,
maybe
that
we
extend
that
in
some
capacity
or
or
grandfather,
if
they've
passed
x
point
in
the
process-
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
that's,
I
I
just
don't
want.
I
don't
want
to
be
a
disincentive
to
be
developing
an
apopka,
so.
M
A
Yeah,
because
one
of
the
things
that
the
legislature
passed,
I
think
it
was
last
year
about
that.
We
as
a
city
have
to
tell
everybody
what
our
infrastructure
is.
What
the
condition
is
so
that
we
as
we
move
forward,
we
don't
have
you
know
50
year
old
pipes
and
no
way
to
to
replace
them.
So
it's
it's
start
to
put
the
onus
back,
which
I
think
in
all
fairness
is
where
we
should
be.
We
shouldn't
be
waiting,
you
know
and
looking
for
federal
state
help,
but
we
need
to.
A
I
M
So
so
again,
a
couple
points
there
is
that
is
that
the
the
again
we're
following
standard
practice,
which
is
promulgated
in
that
impact
fee
statute?
M
We
did
check
with
the
city
attorney
and
he
concurs
that
the
impact
fees
for
water
and
wastewater
are
exempt,
but
we're
keeping
that
90-day
provision
and
one
way
to
look
at
it
is
when
they
lobbied
the
legislature
to
set
the
law
for
other
impact
fees.
That's
what
they
wanted.
That's
what
they're
getting
what
they
asked
for.
I
understand.
A
Okay,
next
up
agenda
anything
edward.
We
need
to.
K
E
O
O
O
O
O
How
can
we
be
confident
all
personnel
who's
riding?
Who
is
fighting?
This
fight
will
return
home
at
the
end
of
their
shift
due
to
the
lack
of
culture
in
the
fire
department.
Firefighters
are
coming
to
me
for
support
and
in
this
short
time
that
I've
been
involved,
I
can
already
see
the
apopka
fire
department
needs.
O
O
O
O
O
O
I
also
brought
some
donuts
and
coffee
for
everyone
on
the
shift,
but
I
didn't
even
bring
bedding
or
a
change
of
clothes.
I
showed
it
basically
empty-handed
granted.
I
started
my
career
during
the
coveted
pandemic
and
me
and
the
other
rookies
were
not
given
an
orientation
like
most
other
new
hires
when
walking
in.
I
was
overwhelmed
by
all
the
people,
people
wearing
red
shirts
or
people
wearing
navy,
shirts
or
white
shirts.
O
O
Since
I
was
an
explorer
throughout
high
school.
I
only
knew
one
person
on
my
shift
named
josh,
rorell,
josh
remembered
me.
He
helped
me
get
to
know
people
on
my
shift
and
how
everything
works.
Joshua
was
a
great
person
to
help
me
to
get
to
know
my
job
and
what
to
do
in
the
morning.
He
helped
me
clean,
sweep,
take
out
the
trash
and
make
coffee.
O
O
My
name
was
off
of
it
and
someone
else's
name
was
there.
I
took
my
gear
home
every
day
since
I
didn't
have
a
place
to
store
it,
and
I
had
a
backpack
of
clothes
that
I
would
take
to
every
shift
for
me
and
the
other
four
they
got
hired.
We
were
given
to
phase
one
book
and
told
that
we
needed
to
read
it
and
know
everything
in
it.
There
were
certain
things
that
needed
to
be
checked
off
in
order
for
your
phase
one
book
to
be
completed
for
a
new
hire
who
was
already
nervous.
O
O
It
wasn't
until
a
few
weeks
later
I
met
phil
farrow
phil
saw
me
every
shift
in
the
ambulance,
trying
to
remember
where
everything
was.
He
was
the
only
person
at
the
time
to
ask
me
if
I
needed
help.
He
told
me
his
way
of
remembering
things
and
how
the
back
of
the
ambulance
should
break
down
from
airway
to
advanced
airway
to
trauma.
O
O
Phil
was
a
great
mentor,
even
though
he
was
not
my
mentor,
I'm
not
saying
if
phil
was
the
only
one
to
help
me
out,
everyone
on
the
ship
helped,
but
it
was
certain
things
certain
people
just
showed
me
the
engine
or
how
the
cascade
system
worked.
Some
people
would
brush
me
off
and
tell
me
to
go.
Ask
someone
else.
O
O
Someone
who
the
rookie
can
go
to
with
questions
and
not
get
criticized
for
not
knowing
something.
For
example,
I
feel
comfortable
coming
to
phil
and
asking
him
to
go
over
the
inside
of
the
ambulance
with
me.
Even
though
he's
gone
over
it
multiple
times,
the
mentor
program
could
help.
Rookies
like
myself,
know
how
to
work
the
monitor
and,
what's
expected
of
me
on
each
call,
they
can
even
go
over
stuff.
P
O
I
think
apopka
would
benefit
from
a
program
like
this,
for
many
reasons,
one
of
the
most
important
reasons
that
they
have
someone
that
they
can
talk
to
one-on-one
if
they
needed
to
know
where
something
is
or
if
they
had
a
bad
call
or
just
need
someone
they
can
talk
to
this
program
would
be
a
benefit
for
that.
This
program
would
be
extremely
helpful
for
new
rookies
and
new
people.
We
hire
as
a
department.
O
O
O
O
D
Thank
you
for
for
sharing
your
son's
letter,
his
last
letter
that
he
gave
you
about
what
was
needed
in
the
apopka
fire
department
and.
H
H
Three
men
on
an
engine
is
still
not
the
national
standard
of
four
people
on
an
engine
and
we
can't
get
three
people
on
an
engine.
But
what
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
today
about
and
tell
you
about,
is
a
little
story.
I've
lived
in
apopka
all
my
life,
my
grandparents
built
houses
on
central
avenue,
orange
avenue
lake
avenue.
H
H
My
parents
came
before
the
then
city
council,
which
is
not
you
guys
to
ask
about
sidewalks
and
got
told
yeah.
Well,
you
know
one
of
those
things
so
I
lived.
I
grew
up.
I
bought
a
house
30
years
ago
at
the
corner
of
lake
and
magnolia,
and
my
kids
walked
to
school
and
I
started
30
years
ago
coming
before
the
city
council,
then
about
sidewalks.
H
H
H
I
think
the
kids
that
live
downtown's
lives
are
just
as
valuable
as
everybody's
kids,
yet
no
sidewalks
they've
been
in
the
budget.
I
went
back
through
my
records
and
looked
three
times
the
city
has
put
in
the
budget
to
build
sidewalks
all
three
times
shot
down
by
my
least
favorite
commissioner
of
all
times
bill
aerosmith,
because
he
had
two
friends
that
lived
on
orange
street
that
didn't
want
sidewalks
going
through
their
yard.
H
Every
morning
I
watch
children,
black
children,
brown
children,
white
children,
endangering
their
lives
having
to
walk
in
the
street
to
get
to
school
50
years,
not
just
this
commission,
but
many
before
it.
You've
had
more
than
enough
time
to
address
it.
The
children
of
this
town
should
mean
something
to
you,
they'd.
Oh,
we
want
to
get
them
educations
before
they
get
to
the
kindergarten.
H
Q
Good
evening,
pastor,
alice
hicks,
great
of
faith,
world
center,
700
vic,
road,
apopka,
florida,
man,
nelson
and
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
taking
this
time.
That's
a
lot
to
come
behind,
but
we
don't
have
a
story
quite
like
that,
but
we
have
an
answer
to
some
of
the
problems
that
we've
already
met.
Q
Q
Next,
the
problem
with
this
notice
is
that
it
does
not
address
address
our
specific
needs.
Our
church
sets
back
and
we
don't
have
a
banner
or
signs
and
our
location
can
easily
be
construed
as
a
residential
or
missed
it.
All
fact
is:
we've
had
past
packages
ordered
that
they've
come.
They
couldn't
find
us
because
we
didn't
have
a
sign,
so
we
put
a
sign
and
then
now
the
city
tells
us.
We
can't
have
the
sign.
Q
The
sign.
Banners
are
not
on
the
street
or
in
the
medium,
but
within
our
gated
area
they
only
say
we're
open.
Welcome,
visit
our
battles,
give
our
address
for
delivery
purposes,
as
I
said
for
church
identification,
because
there
are
two
churches
a
lot
of
times.
Someone
goes
to
the
other
church
and
says:
oh,
I
thought
this
was
your
church.
Okay,
so
we
put
signs
out
signs
on
the
fences,
say,
love,
peace,
hope
or
professional
matters
are
and
they're
fastened
securely.
Q
They
are
in.
There
are
no
graphic
drawings
on
it.
They're
free
our
free
size,
standing
signs
only
denote
our
location
and
names.
This
is
necessary
again
because
it
can
be
easily
mistaken
as
a
private
residence.
We
invite
you
to
ride
by
there
and
see
it.
We
have
an
unusual
condition.
Q
Q
This
is
an
example
of
our
most
recent
sign
and
we
took
our
little
waving
banners
down
until
we
hear
from
the
commissioners.
Thank
you.
A
Pastor
hicks,
once
you
get
with
I'll,
get
with
jim
hitt
and
steve
brick
and
we'll
sit
down
and
see
if
we
can't
figure
out
a
solution
to
your
your
problem.
D
S
Good
afternoon
city
council
rogers
is
back
at
7
west
main
street,
just
some
observations
once
again.
Hopefully
we
can
get
the
sidewalk
issues
addressed
like
was
mentioned
earlier,
for
the
kids
of
walking
forth
to
school,
particularly
along
lake
myrtle
and
things,
and
such
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
noticed
that
out
of
count
weewa.
S
Our
son
is
now
in
their
swim
program
that
they
have
with
city
of
apopka.
I'm
sorry
pop
high
school,
but
I
noticed
that
there
is
no
hardened
surface
when
you
enter
that
site
and
I
know
apparently
they're
gonna
start
to
host
their
swimming
competitions
there.
I
know
the
first
one
we
attended
was
probably
about
50-100
cars.
So
I'm
thinking
that's
something.
S
Maybe
hopefully,
in
this
budget
year
you
can
take
a
look
at
on
site
signage
and
things
that
nature,
so
just
from
a
safety
concern,
visibility
to
the
site,
services
that
you
can
drive
or
not-
and
I
guess
is
really
more
of
a
dirt
road
at
this
point
in
time
and
on-site
signage.
So
if
you
can
give
some
consideration
during
a
budget
on
how
we
can
maybe
increase
the
capital
improvement
for
that
area,
we
greatly
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
P
Good
afternoon
well,
thank
you
so
much
mayor
and
commissioners
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
I
am
felipe
and
the
executive
director
of
the
hope
community
center,
which
is
literally
just
down
the
street
at
1016
north
park
avenue,
and
we
also
have
another
location
at
800,
south
hawthorne.
All
here
please
come
and
see
us
about.
17.9
percent
of
the
population
of
apopka
were
born
outside
the
united
states.
P
Those
are
folks
who
are
coming
to
our
country
to
fight
and
to
dream
for
a
better
future,
and
we
are
so
excited
to
continue
to
serve
our
immigrant
population
and
all
minority
groups
here
in
the
city
of
apopka.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
serve
6
500
people
every
single
year
and
several
of
our
programs
include
including
access
to
education,
citizenship,
services,
etc.
P
We
want
to
thank
particularly
commissioner
diane
velazquez
for
her
incredible
and
amazing
support
for
immigrant
communities
and
also
for
commissioner
nesta,
for
he
reached
out
personally
to
me
and
we
met,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
to
and
all
of
the
city
commissions
and
mayor
for
attending
our
event
just
a
few
weeks
ago.
We
hope
that
you
can
come
it's
december
3rd
and
you
will
be
at
the
winter
park
new
event
center.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
Okay,
that's
it
all
right
got,
let's
see
eight
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
Does
anybody
need
to
pull
any
of
those
items?
If
not
look
for
motion
to
approve.
I
T
I
don't
know
the
full
amount
of
what
was
accumulating
aside
from
it
being
250
per
day
that
was
starting
on
september,
2nd
2021.,
so
an
attempt
to
do
the
math
from
there.
However,
I
mean
at
this
point
because
the
property
owner
reached
out
to
us
and
and
gave
us
the
stipulated
amount.
So
it's
always
important
to
remember
that
the
primary
directive
of
code
enforcement
is
compliance
and
not
it's
not
a
revenue
generated.
It's
not
intended
to
primarily
be
a
revenue
generating
operation,
so
we
have
reached.
This
is
one
of
many
releases.
T
A
lot
of
these
where
we're
getting
the
sales
where
we're
getting
these
reductions
are
because
the
property
is
being
conveyed
or
sold
to
someone
else,
and
someone
has
now
taken
it
taken
upon
themselves
to
remedy
the
situation
of
what
was
left
before
and
has
come
to
the
city,
stating
I've
done
that
my
part
to
to
clean
this
up
and
bring
it
into
compliance
and
here's
a
settlement
offer
and
we've
we've
looked
at
these.
Many
of
these
are
very
reasonable
to
settle
in
office.
I
T
We're
reducing
it
really
is
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
depending
on
the
severity
of
the
violation,
depending
on
the
time
that's
incurred,
depending
on
the
the
efforts
or
reasonableness
of
the
property
owner.
Go
enforcement
division
takes
each
property
on
a
case-by-case
basis
to
evaluate
what
would
be
a
reasonable
settlement.
Some
of
these
settlement
offers
are
negotiated
there
until
a
reasonable
amount
is,
is
coming.
T
T
B
B
U
Here's,
the
ariel
the
property,
the
laurel
oak,
single
family,
major
development
plan
proposes
the
development
of
a
121
lot
subdivision,
consisting
of
single
family
detached
residences.
The
residential
units
will
have
a
minimum
lot
width
of
55
feet.
There
are
no
minimum
or
maximum
living
area
standards
and
lot
size
requirements
in
the
kelly
park,
interchange,
form-based
code
area,
the
kpi
form-based
code
requires
that
developments
within
the
neighborhood
overlay
dedicate
a
minimum
of
20
percent
of
land
area
for
open
space.
U
The
applicant
proposes
an
amenity
open
space
package
that
consists
of
23
percent
of
the
project
area,
including
an
eight
foot
wide
multi-purpose
trail
from
the
southern
end
of
the
subdivision
to
the
north
northern
terminus,
to
promote
connectivity
between
developments,
encourage
pedestrian
traffic
away
from
plymouth,
rental
road
and
lead
to
the
internal
passive
path.
Storm
water
ponds
are
monetized
with
a
five
foot
wide
path
and
seating
areas.
The
applicant
will
also
provide
a
pool
and
a
cabana
one
of
the
proposed
access
points
is
along
plymouth
to
rental
road.
U
J
J
At
this
point,
three
or
two,
two
in
ten
of
our
students
are
in
portable
portables.
Why,
with
the
top
two
of
the
top
three
school
districts,
it's
one
in
a
hundred.
We
need
to
address
this.
We
need
to
team
with
orange
county
public
schools
and
orange
county
government
together
to
go
to
tallahassee
and
adjust
this
issue.
Orange
county
public
schools
has
not
been
successful.
Moving
forward,
the
city
appropriately
goes
up
with
their
agenda.
The
county
goes
up
with
their
agenda.
The
agenda
needs
to
be
on
the
quality
of
the
lives
for
our
students.
Thank
you.
A
J
H
B
K
K
A
U
E
That's
it
thank
you,
ham,
richmond,
community
development.
This
is
a
request
for
a
transportation
impact
b,
credit
agreement
between
the
city
and
arrowrock
income
and
growth
fund,
the
owner
and
well,
the
developer
of
the
property.
It's
a
an
industrial
site
on
the
south
side
of
marshall
lake
road,
these
three
properties
in
exchange
for
impact
fee
credits.
E
The
developer
would
like
to
add
a
little
width
to
the
road
and
mill
and
resurface
it.
So
it's
appropriate
for
the
kind
of
heavy
industrial
traffic
that
comes
down
marshall
lake
road.
Interestingly
marshall
lake
road
was
on
next
year's
resurfacing
plan,
so
we're
gonna
through
this
agreement.
E
We're
gonna
save
them
a
bunch
of
money
to
do
another
project
through
this
agreement.
Fee
and
they'll
have
to
decide
if
they
want
to
do
the
piece
to
the
west
back
under
the
451,
where
it's
not
as
bad
as
this
piece
is
we're
coming
up
to
about
200
feet
shy
of
the
intersection
at
bradshaw
because
that's
already
been
redone,
and
if
you
want
more
details
on
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
and
so
the
request
is
to
approve
this
transportation
impact
fee
credit
agreement.
A
B
R
V
K
U
U
Drc
recommends
approval
and,
at
its
meeting
on
august,
9
2022
planning
commission
recommended
approval
to
amend
the
future
land
use
map
from
county
rural
to
mixed
use.
The
recommended
motion
to
it
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2935
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september.
21,
2022
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
A
V
An
2936
village
center
overlay
district
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
kelly
park,
road
and
clements
sorrento
road
comprising
21.36
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
mps.
One
rio,
llc,
rv,
dockland
rival,
staff
d,
life
estate,
senator
lee
sapp,
providing
foreign.
U
The
rezoning
from
county
a1
to
kpi
mixed
use
and
the
simon
village
center
overlay
district
is
compatible
with
the
intent
of
the
city's
kpi
form-based
code.
The
village
center
overlay
permits
a
minimum
density
of
7.5
dwelling
acres
per
drilling
units
per
acre
and
a
maximum
density
of
20,
a
maximum
density
of
20
dwelling
units
per
acre,
as
well
as
a
minimum
floor
area,
ratio
of
0.3
and
maximum
far
of
1.0.
U
In
addition,
the
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
the
company
master
plan.
The
master
plan
proposes
the
development
of
368
multi-family
units
is
also
proposing
a
150
one
bedroom
unit,
seven
174
two
bedroom
units
and
forty
four
three
bedroom
units.
The
applicant
also
proposes
a
future
development
that
consists
of
forty
nine
thousand
five
hundred
square
feet
commercial
uses.
With
the
proposed
floor
area,
ratio
of
0.36
commercial
portion
will
undergo
a
separate
development
review
process
for
the
multi-family
portion.
The
master
plan
depicts
a
total
area
of
2.782
acres
of
open
space
and
amenity.
U
The
amenity
open
space
program
includes
covered
pavilion,
plazas
pool
deck
and
lounge
areas,
as
well
as
passive,
open
spaces
and
pocket
parks.
The
proposed
access
points
for
this
project
are
on
kelly
park,
road
and
plymouth
rental
road.
Additionally,
the
master
plan
shows
a
connection
to
the
northern
and
western
adjacent
parcels,
as
well
as
connection
to
the
future
commercial
development
on
the
south.
U
The
drc
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning,
as
well
as
the
master
plan.
At
its
meeting
on
august,
9
2022
planning
commission
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning,
as
well
as
the
master
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2936
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september.
21St,
2022
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
G
On
the
future
village,
center,
retail
and
restaurants
is
the
entrance-
that's
just
further
to
the
west,
going
to
be
the
main
entrance.
To
that
I
mean
I
don't
see
anything
other
than
just
on
the
north
side
of
that
in.
G
E
Yeah
they've
been
told
that
they're
going
to
get
a
write-in
right
out
there
and
maybe
a
left
in
because
you
know
we're
going
to
make
improvements
to
the
road,
and
so
they
they
do
have
connectivity
in
other
places.
They're
for
the
most
part
meeting
all
the
requirements
of
the
code,
which
is
to
have
a
grid
section
there.
But
you
can
tell,
by
the
shape
of
their
property,
that
there
are
limits
on
on
what
they
can
do.
E
Can
connect
so
that's
so.
K
G
K
E
E
Yeah
they
have
they'll,
have
connectivity.
E
Well,
they
don't
they
don't
own
the
property
in
the
red
square
and
so
what
we
our
job
will
be
to
when
that
comes
in
and
right
now
it's
it's
not
on
this
one.
Here
you
can
see
the
see
the
three
little
pieces
in
the
corner.
K
E
B
I
just
have
one
additional
request
and
that
is
in
the
planning
commissions
recommending
that
we're
consistent
that
if
it's
unanimous
it
says
unanimous
and
if
it's
not
unanimous,
that
we
indicate
what
the
vote
was.
B
K
V
V
T
Apologies
see
if
the
right
one
is
well,
I
mean
the
order
of
the
packet
jordan,
the
see
if
pacca
has
ordinance
number
2942
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka
changes.
Future
land
use,
designation
from
future
land
use
in
progress
and
mixed
use.
T
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
one
and
1.0
floor
area
ratio
to
residential
low,
suburban
two
dwelling
units
per
acre
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
punkin
road
and
pontkin
pines
road
owned
by
roseville
farms,
lc
and
roseville
farms,
llc,
comprising
31.5
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Okay,
I
think
so
yeah
it.
T
P
U
A
W
W
W
Your
final
analysis
would
be
that
the
proposed
residential,
low,
suburban
future
land
use
designation
is
consistent
with
the
general
future
land
use
character
of
the
surrounding
area.
I
suggest,
if
you
stand
in
the
middle
of
those
30
acres,
beautiful
piece
of
property,
one
single
family
home
on
it
and
look
in
any
direction.
W
W
W
Your
plan
suggests
that
it's
going
to
introduce
600
plus
car
trips
daily
into
what
is
a
deadly
dangerous
curve
on
poncan
road.
It
is
also
a
signalized
crosswalk
for
adjacent
kids.
We
do
have
sidewalks,
thank
you
and
it
is
also
directly
adjacent
to
the
weak
iva
run
north
entrance.
I
do
believe
most
people
that
live
in
weak
iver
run
access
their
homes
off
of
plymouth.
Sorrento,
that's
not
scientific.
I
just
live
next
door.
W
I
it's
just
a
dangerous
area.
I
don't
see
how
you
can
introduce
that
many
car
trips
a
day
without
safety
factors
and
I've
read
parts
of
the
tia.
This
is
way
over
my
pay
grade.
I
don't
understand
a
lot
of
this,
but
conclusions
are
improvements
to
pond-canned
roads,
poncan
road
and
the
access
lanes
to
accelerate
and
decelerate
into
the
property.
W
Again
I
I
can't
understand
that
they'd
have
to
be
about
a
mile
long,
if
you've
ever
driven
through
those
curves.
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is.
I
I
hope
somebody
with
a
greater
mind
can
come
up
with
one,
because
again
this
is
going
to
be
a
safety
issue.
I
guess
that's
my
pitch.
A
D
There's
that
curve
right
there
by
fiber
run,
and
that
is
a
kind
of
a
blind
spot.
You
don't
realize
the
curve
there.
E
It
is
let
me
start
with
this
orange
county's
road
exactly
and
I
talked
to
orange
county
about
this
road.
Every
time
a
project
comes
in
and
as
soon
as
this
one
came
in,
I
sent
it
over
to
orange
county
and
we're
collaborating
on
what
kind
of
safety
improvements
need
to
be
made,
and
I
have
a
special
concern
for
this
gentleman.
We
talked
on
the
phone
we
had
a
nice
conversation.
E
His
property
is
going
to
be
blocked
by
the
turn
lane,
and
so
that
needs
to
be
given
special
consideration.
We
don't
do.
This
is
comp
plan.
Okay,
this
is
future
land
use.
We
don't
make
those
kind
of
decisions
at
this
stage,
but
when
we
get
to
the
site
plan,
if
you'll
remember
the
one
farther
up
at
pittman
road,
we
made
them
do
a
lot
of
extra
things
and
we're
going
to
make
this
developer
do
because
you're
right
it's
a
curve,
and
I
have
no
control
over
the
speed
limit
there.
D
E
E
And
and
the
applicant
has
been
very
understanding
they
they
they
understand
that
and
they
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
safe,
not
just
for
their
development
but
for
everyone
out
there
yeah.
So
I
have
a
great
amount
of
confidence
that
we'll
be
able
to
satisfy
you
all.
Okay,.
X
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
bill
mackey,
I
work
with
daily
design
group
and
we're
the
applicants
for
this
project.
First
of
all,
just
to
address
the
concerns.
Yes,
we
did
have
a
public
meeting
in
our
community
meeting
on
this,
and
the
majority
of
the
concerns
were
about
how
we
were
going
to
handle
that
intersection.
X
So
it's
something
that
we
definitely
understand.
We
have
a
traffic
engineer
working
with
us
and,
like
it
was
pointed
out,
it
was
the
orange
county
roads
we're
dedicating
30
feet
of
right-of-way
along
poncan
pine
roads
as
well
as
and
we'll
be
doing
any
improvements
that
we
need
to.
And
yes,
it's
640
daily
trips,
it's
48
am
trips
and
65
pm
trips.
It
should
also
be
noted
that
we
are
down
zone
in
this
and
down
landing
this.
Can
you.
K
X
X
According
to
the
land
use
that
you've
adopted,
okay
as
well
as
it
would
be
permitted
up
to
1.3
million
square
feet
of
commercial.
These
are
the
policies
that
have
been
adopted
for
this
property.
We're
trying
we're
asking
to
bring
the
property
into
line
with
the
character
two
units
per
acre,
because
it's
within
the
machiva
protection
area
north
upon
camp
android.
X
K
U
Just
just
to
clarify
this
future
land
use
designation
amendment
is
really
because
there
is
a
complex
policy
that
states
that
any
properties
north
of
poncan
west
of
rock
springs
road
is
really
only
permitted
to
have
up
to
two
dwelling
units
per
acre
outside
of
kelly
park,
interchange,
so
they're,
actually
just
getting
the
maximum
they're
permitted
in
that
area.
Regardless
of
what
is
currently
the
designation.
L
S
G
G
K
U
V
U
U
D
T
G
T
A
W
Again,
I'm
jim
riffle
2536
west
pond
can
road
apopka32712
caddy
wampus
from
the
subject
property.
There
are
no
planned
or
funded
county
improvements
for
poncan
road.
At
this
point
I
don't
know
when
they
come
in
and
that's
perhaps
something
that
the
city
folks
can
can
work
with.
I
I
have
asked
on
numerous
occasions.
Thank
you.
You
bet
thank
you.
A
V
U
U
The
drc
recommends
approval
and,
at
its
meeting
on
august,
9
2022
planning
commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
to
amend
the
future
land
use
map
from
rural
settlement
to
mixed
use.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2945
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september.
21,
2022
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
B
S
B
A
Yes,
okay,
all
right!
Anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2945
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
nesto.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
smith,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
U
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
rezoning
from
agriculture
to
kpimu
and
assigning
a
transition
over
and
village
center
overlays,
as
well
as
requesting
an
approval
of
the
accompanying
master
plan.
The
master
plan
proposes
the
development
of
95,
single-family
residences
and
prof,
and
proposes
future
development
that
consists
of
350
multi-family
units
and
approximately
five
acres
of
commercial
uses.
U
U
U
U
Supplementary
open
space
and
amenity
areas
will
be
provided
at
the
time
of
development
of
the
multi-family
portion
to
meet
a
total
minimum
requirement.
15
percent
of
open
space.
The
proposed
access
for
this
project
is
on
kelly
park
road.
Additionally,
the
master
plan
shows
three
connections
to
the
eastern
parcels,
two
to
the
north
and
one
connection
to
the
west
and
southwest
adjacent
parcels.
U
The
drc
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
and
the
master
plan.
At
its
meeting
on
august
9
2022
planning
commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
with
the
assignment
of
transition
and
village
center
overlay
districts
and
the
master
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2946
and
hold
it
over
for
tonight.
I'm
sorry,
two
nine
four
six
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september,
21,
2022
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
K
And
six
so.
U
D
D
So
I'm
kind
of
concerned
that
we're
kind
of
allowing
the
developers
to
build
a
minimum.
But
it
doesn't
really
serve
a
community
that
you're
building.
D
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
have
a
whole
bunch
of
two-year-olds
we're
going
to
have
families
between
with
kids
up
to
about
13
years
old
that
still
want
to
go
to
a
park.
Sure
I'll
I'll.
I
U
Pools
for
single
families
for
for
most
single
families
up
to
a
certain
threshold
number
of
units,
I
think
it's
250.,
okay,.
U
U
350
multifamily
and
37
single-family
units,
as
well
as
58
single-family
units
that
have
a
minimum
wage
of
40
feet.
So
the
single
family
detached
units
doesn't
quite
meet
the
threshold
of
a
pool
requirement
because
they're
proposing
350,
multi-fam
and
yeah
and
they're
single-family
detached
count.
Doesn't
this.
I
U
K
Y
D
Y
You
lance
bennett,
bennett
the
to
talk
about.
As
far
as
the
eminence
goes
this,
these
95
units
are
part
of
and
incorporated
into
the
development
to
the
north.
It
has
actually
two
pools
a
very
large
amenity
package.
This
is
augmenting
that
and
so
in
in
the
tot
lots
they're
not
for
up
to
two.
Y
They
actually
get
these
packages
they're
typically
two
to
twelve,
and
so
it
is
for
kids
older
than
just
two
years
old,
so
there
will
be
and
we've
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
staff
going
through
all
of
these
amenity
packages
to
the
to
the
north
and
and
this
one
is,
this
will
augment
those.
And
so
when
we
come
in
with
a
major
development
plan,
those
uses
and
programs
will
all
be
identified.
Y
N
Y
The
multi-family,
I'm
sorry
the
multi-family
will
have
its
own
amenity
pool
cabana
playgrounds
so
forth.
So
there
will
be
to
your
point:
there
will
be
a
pool
in
this
in
this
package.
What's
the
timeline
for
that
within
we'll
be
coming
in,
we
have
to
go
through
a
separate
process.
Another
master
plan
process
for
that
we're
probably
as
far
as
submitting
that
in
within
the
next
about
four
months.
Okay,.
I
And
my
concern
is
the
market
is
changing
and,
and
we've
seen
from
2008,
that
we
don't
amenitize
this
section
and
we
never
get
to
phase
two
or
whatever
it
may
be.
That
actually
has
the
amenities.
So
that's
my
concern
is
that
that
we're
not
doing
that.
So
if
we
can,
in
some
capacity
ensure
that
we're
going
to
get
the
amenities
that
are
required
for
that
future
development
as
well,
so.
Y
It
does
it
absolutely
does
yeah
there's
you
can
see
the
development
that's
shown
up
on
the
top
of
the
screen.
That's
the
southern
part
of
the
other
community.
The
major
development
plan
was
approved
by
the
commission
about
six
weeks
ago
and
that
had
the
all
the
amenity
package
within
that
there's
about
a
big
thirty
acre,
open
space
trails
around
it,
two
pools
a
very
large
amenity
on
the
north
side.
U
I'll
include
the
kelly
park
master
plan
on
here,
which
was
what
was
previously
approved.
The
entire
master
plan
was
previously
approved,
but
I'll
include
that
one
and
you're
in
in
the
second
reading,
yeah.
A
That
I
just
so,
we
can
visualize.
A
The
whole
the
whole
package,
the
question
I've
got
lance-
is
the
we
want
to
protect
that
that
commercial
piece
gets
developed
commercially,
that
you
don't
come
back,
oh
by
the
way
we
can
put
another
200
100
units
of
of
apartments
there
that
we
need
to
protect
that
that's
actually
going
to
be
commercial.
How
do
we.
Y
Y
Is
to
preserve
it
as
five
acres
of
commercial.
It's
a
village
center
designation
and
you
know,
we've
got
the
multi-family
to
the
north
of
it
as
far
as
the
protecting
it
any
ideas.
As
far
as.
U
A
U
N
Mayors,
commissioners,
dan
o'keefe,
with
shutz
and
bowen
300,
south
orange
avenue,
orlando
florida
yeah,
I
think
also,
as
you
approve
this
master
plan
and
we
and
we
designate
future
commercial
development
track.
You
know
we
we
could
one.
N
I
think
that
that
that
binds
us
and
so
there's
nothing
that
prohibits
someone
from
coming
back
and
asking
to
change
anything
in
the
future,
but
it's
the
control
of
the
city
council,
and
so,
if
we're
approving
that
master
plan-
and
it
says
for
future
commercial,
we
can't
come
in
with
future
residential
unless
this
city
council
approved
it.
So
you
do
have
that
control,
yeah.
N
U
Currently
check
the
kelly
park
form-based
code
to
see
if
there
are
any
multi-family
use
permitted
within
the
village
center
core,
which
is
what
this
is
designated
us,
that
commercial
piece
and
if
anything,
we
can
also
as
far
the
development
order
for
the
master
plan
included
on
the
master
plan.
That's
there
will
be
no
residential
use.
This
will
only
be
commercial.
T
Michael
well,
let's
go!
What
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
you've
got
your
current
plan
adopted
now.
You
can't
necessarily
bind
a
future
council
by
your
decisions.
Now
that'll
fall
on
their
discretion
at
a
future
date,
but
at
least
as
as
what's
adopted,
as
mr
o'keefe
said,
that's
what's
adopted,
so
anyone
who's
going
to
come
in
to
try
to
amend,
add
more
residential
they're,
going
to
come
in,
to
amend
the
master
plan
and
under
undergo
a
hearing
process
and
then
an
elected,
an
elective
vote.
T
B
All
right,
and
so
what
is
the
little
narrow
strip
that
it
says,
future
commercial
development
a
little
narrower
pink
strip.
Y
Yes,
yes,
sir,
so
that
that
was
it's
a
piece
of
property
that
is
part
of
this
application,
and
so
we
just
designated
that
as
commercial
as
well.
Assuming
that
the
piece
that's
between
the
two
will,
a
the
stuff
along
kelly
park,
road
will
come
in
as
commercial,
so
it's
consistent
use.
Y
Y
Y
D
I'm
going
back
to
the
top
line.
Show
me
where
the
top
lot
is
here.
Y
D
A
K
K
B
J
U
Gene
sanchez
with
the
planning
and
zoning
division:
this
is
a
request
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2951
amending
the
future
land
use
amendment
for
722,
south
central
avenue,
from
commercial
to
residential
low.
The
property
is
on
the
southwest
corner
of
7th
street
and
central
avenue
intersection.
U
The
proposed
future
land
use
designation
of
residential
low
is
compatible
with
the
parcels
east
adjacent
of
the
subject.
Property
properties
on
the
east
have
a
future
land
use
designation
of
residential
low,
and
this
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
existing
single-family
residential
use
on
the
property.
Current
zoning
is
mixed
use.
Downtown
mud
compatible
with
the
proposed
future
land
use
designation.
U
The
drc
recommends
approval.
At
its
meeting
on
august
9
2022,
the
planning
commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
amending
the
future
land
use
designation
from
commercial
to
residential
low.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
two
nine
five
one
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september.
Twenty
one
twenty
twenty
two
staff
and
avail
step
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
B
U
U
B
S
Good
afternoon,
roger
is
back
at
seven
west
main
street.
So
currently
this
has
been
a
property.
That's
been
our
family,
probably
60
years
now,
and
the
property's
pretty
old,
so
they
wanted
to
have
the
option
to
rebuild
back
on
the
site.
So
this
was
the
option
we
had
to
go
through
in
order
to
do
that
understood.
Thank
you.
A
U
U
The
development
review
committee
recommends
approval
and
its
meeting
on
august
9
2022
planning
commission
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
virtual
land
use
designation
from
residential
load
to
agriculture.
Subject
to
the
findings
in
the
staff
report,
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
2952
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
september.
21,
2022
staff
and
napkin
are
available
for
questions.
I
U
Yeah,
which
is
great,
the
applicant,
only
really
intends
to
have
it
as
his
personal
property
and
to
construct.
A
A
Wow
yeah
he's
a
developer.
He
I
tried
to
get
him
when
we
lost
the
the
bid
on
the
sumner
property.
I
was
trying
to
see
if
I
could
get
him
to
swap
let
the
the
person
who
bought
the
sumner
property
to
swap
and
buy
that
property
if
he
would
give.
D
Resident
here
so
yep
anyway,
right
and-
and
I
do
know
jose
personally-
and
I
did
speak
to
him
about
this-
and
this
has
a
lot
of
sentimental
value
to
him.
It
belonged
to
his
father
and
when
his
father
passed
away,
he
felt
he
wanted
to
keep
it
so
you're
not
going
to
get
him
just
or
swap
it.
B
U
U
A
N
A
U
So
this
proposed
change
of
zoning
is
really
to
just
be
consistent
with
the
proposed
agriculture
future
land
use
designation.
The
request
is
for
an
ag
zoning.
The
drc
recommends
approval
of
this
same
property
for
the
change
of
zoning,
and
at
its
meeting
on
august,
9
2022
planning
commission
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
rsf-1b
residential
single-family
large
lot
district
to
aeg
agriculture
district.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2953
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
in
september,
21
2022
staff
is
available
for
questions.
A
B
D
H
V
U
For
the
record
gene
sanchez
with
the
community
development
department,
this
is
a
request
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2956
annexation
of
mid
florida.
South
parcels
are
located
in
the
southwest
corner
of
peterson
road
and
state
road,
429,
approximately
54
acres
in
size
properties
above
parcels
in
the
city,
jurisdiction
and
its
northern
western
and
southern
boundaries.
U
U
This
is
I'm
sorry.
U
The
plan
currently
for
this
is
to
they're,
obviously,
in
the
very
preliminary
stages
of
entitlement
is
to
continue
what
is
being
done
on
the
north
or
what
has
been
approved
on
the
north,
which
is
the
current
side
of
mid-florida
logistics.
A
A
Anyway,
there's
there's
a
there's:
they
have
a
retention
pond,
that's
right
on
on
the
429
kind
of
midway
through
the
property.
What
we,
what
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
do
is
is
to
swap
them
that
land
for
land
that
would
buffer
our
birding
parks,
our
birding
park,
backs
up
to
the
south.
The
south
eastern
part
of
that
is
our
birding
park
that
the
big
the
white
piece
yeah
down
down
below
yeah.
There
you
go
there,
you
go.
A
So
what
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
to
have
a
big
big
retention
buffer
between
the
industrial
and
our
birding
park,
but
we'd
have
to
do
is
to
move
the
retention
pond.
That's
that
little
the
cutout!
That's
right
on
the
on
the
interstate
and
move
that
down
so
we're
in
negotiations
with
cfx
to
see.
If
we
can,
we
can
make
a
land
swap
that
would
give
them
the
land
that
they've
they've
got
and
then
give
us
a
nice
big.
A
A
A
U
Land
development
fees
were
first
adopted
by
the
city
in
1992,
and
these
fees
have
not
been
updated
since
the
reason
for
land
development
fees
is
to
cover
the
cost
of
development
review.
That
includes
plan
reviews
by
staff
costs
of
public
hearing
notifications
and
to
ensure
uniform
treatment
of
site
plan
reviews.
U
U
The
development
review
applications
are
submitted
to
the
planning
division
and
it
is
checked
for
sufficiency
both
by
the
planning
secretary
and
planning
project
manager.
It
is
then
distributed
to
the
drc
for
technical
review
and
comments.
The
drc
has
approximately
six
business
days
for
technical
review
and
comments.
Comments
are
then
sent
to
the
applicant
before
a
drc
meeting
is
held
and
the
drc
meeting
is
held
every
wednesday
at
9.
U
00
am
all
drc
comments
must
be
addressed
or
resolved
before
drc
approval
is
issued,
each
project
is
unique,
and,
and
so
just
to
give
you
all
a
bit
more
idea
on
staff
review
process.
Let's
compare,
perhaps
an
annexation
application
with
a
major
development
plan.
Annexations
generally
take
one
drc
meeting
review
before
it
goes
on
to
public
hearings.
E
E
Well,
you
know
they've
been
working
like
crazy,
but
just
in
case,
and
sometimes
it's
hard
to
read
anyway.
So
what
I
want
to
talk
to
y'all
about
is
the
methodology
we
use
to
come
up
with
our
proposed
fees.
So
we
started
by
looking
at
12
surrounding
jurisdictions
that
include
orange
county.
I
have
to
read
them
all.
You
can
see
them
and
the
first
thing
we
did
was
we
eliminated
those
jurisdictions
who
haven't
updated
their
their
fees
since
2019
and
those
were
ocoee,
winter
garden
and
altamonte
springs.
E
So
everything
that
we
used
in
our
analysis
is
relatively
new
and
then,
where
possible,
when
we
could
compare
apples
to
apples,
we
did
an
average
of
of
what
those
fees
were,
and
then
we
prepared
for
you
this
table
that
shows
our
existing.
E
So
I
did
three
or
four
little
examples
of
of
where
we
are
right
now.
This
is
for
a
large
scale,
comp
plan
amendment,
we're
charging
700
per
application,
are
we're
proposing
4
000
in
the
last
year.
In
this
fiscal
year,
we've
received
four
of
these,
and
then
you,
you
see
on
there.
What
what
that
difference
is
you'll
see
that
the
increase
per
application
is
thirty
three
hundred
dollars,
but
for
those
four
applications
we
received,
the
increased
revenue
would
have
been
thirteen
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
E
The
next
would
be
a
small
scale,
comprehensive
plan
amendment
right
now
we
charge
700
we're
proposing
2
000.
We
saw
six
we've
seen
16
of
those
so
far
this
year
and
you
can
see
that
the
increase
in
the
revenue
would
have
been
twenty
thousand
dollars.
E
Rezoning
500
to
1200
net
increase
18
900
for
the
27
applications
that
we've
seen
and
then
the
last
one
is
for
a
major
development
plan
which
jean
was
just
talking
about,
takes
a
lot
of
time,
we're
going
from
500
to
2000
we've
seen
24
of
those
so
far
this
year
and
the
net
increase
we
would
have
seen.
But,
more
importantly,
if
you
add
just
those
four
land
use
category
four
development
categories
in
under
our
old
fee,
we
would
have
collected
thirty
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
under
the
new
proposed
fees.
E
U
D
Just
have
a
statement
if
this
has
been
long
overdue,
the
staff
hours
that
each
of
you
have
put
in
for
this
whole
process.
I,
for
years
I've
been
telling
you
you're,
not
you're,
not
charging
enough
for
the
fee,
so
I'm
kind
of
happy
that
we're
finally
updating
it.
D
The
only
thing
I
would
like
to
kind
of
when
you
do
these
resolutions
is
to
kind
of
review
these
fees
instead
of
letting
allowing
it,
as
you
did
right
now
from
1992
to
2022,
is
that
is
to
keep
up
with
with
what
other
counties,
especially
orange
county
and
neighboring.
Cities
are
charging,
and
also
we
are.
I
know
that
you
just
started
kind
of
using
the
software
and
the
programs
to
kind
of
help.
You
minimize
a
lot
of
the.
L
U
We
are
currently
planning.
I
can
only
speak
for
planning.
I
think
building
is
a
little
more
advanced
than
we
are,
but
planning
is
currently
at
constructing
all
our
applications.
U
D
Our
hope,
because
that's
that's
another
process,
I
know,
but
that's
something
that
I
know
for
a
few
years.
I've
been
asking
because
of
the
plans
that
come
in
those
are
a
lot
of
man-hours
that
you.
D
Yeah,
so
you
know
I'm
happy
to
see
that
you
have
finally
addressed
this
well.
T
T
And
I
think
probably
the
intention
is
for
an
annual
review
I
can.
I
can
tell
you,
came
from
volusia
county
every
year
on
the
same
monthly
meeting
of
the
county
council.
The
fee
resolution
for
the
planning
for
their
growth
management
division
was
adopted
either.
Some
were
changed.
Some
were
left
the
same,
but
it
allows
for
an
annual
review
and
then
it's
just
a
simple
adoption
of
resolution,
one
meeting
one
hearing
and
it
and
it's
adopted
and
the
change
takes
place
immediately.
G
Yeah
on
all
of
these
there's
only
one,
that's
above
the
average
most
of
them
are
below
or
at,
and
that's
the
application
for
special
exception
from
250
to
a
thousand,
and
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
church
that
was
talking
about
their
sign.
Would
that
affect
them?
Is
that
where
that
would
come
under.
U
G
U
But
okay,
so
even
if
they're
asking
for
a
variance,
perhaps
that's
what
you're?
Referring
to.
I
don't
know
if
that's
eligible
for
a
variance
either,
but
they
have
options
for
permanent
signage.
K
I
What
there's
some
applicants
that
come
back
many
times?
Yes,
five
plus
times,
are
you
guys?
I
know
we
discussed
this,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
in
here
are
you
guys
charging
after
three
submittals
there's
an
additional
fee.
I
I
So
you
know
you
guys
we'll.
I
Valuable
great,
I
I
know
one
specific
project,
I'm
thinking
of
that
has
to
be
date
time
so
far.
Yes,
so
there's
certain
products
like
that
that
maybe
demand
an
additional.
T
A
A
Z
K
Z
Today,
we're
asking
for
the
rate
increases
for
the
sanitation
rates
to
keep
keep
pace
with
operating
expense,
increased
population,
rising
cost
of
labor
fuel
disposal,
expense
and
other
operating
expense.
Much
like
the
other.
The
rate,
the
water
rates,
we're
kind
of
on
the
middle
to
the
left.
End
of
the
the
region
and
orange
county
just
was
went
up
ten
dollars
a
year
and
seminole
county
went
up
40.
A
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
A
Yeah,
you
know,
and
without
that
the
million
dollars
we
infused
into
to
buy
the
new
trucks
we'd
had
to
you
know
put
that
into
the
rate
as
well.
So
by
spending
the
money
on
you
know
three
unforeseen
accidents.
We
were
able
to
keep
the
rate
down
at
the
six
percent
level.
That
was
a
huge
help
yeah
in
the
other
question
mayor.
L
L
We
need
to
have
that
an
emotion
to
be
effective
october
one
so
that
way
it
hits
risk
in
the
fiscal
year
correctly,
so
it
hits
on
that
date.
Okay.
So
we
need
to
have
that
and
then
one
of
the
comments
I'd
like
to
make
this
I've
been
hearing
a
lot.
We've
had
a
lot
of
complaints
of
customers
in
orange
county,
but
the
garbage
pickup.
L
I
think
it's
important
here
to
know
that
we
have
a
small
increase
and
our
rates
are
still
very
very
on
the
low
end
like
josh
says,
but
he
and
his
team
do
an
awesome
job
not
going.
We
don't
have
the
issues
and
complaints
that
unfortunately,
winston
county
is
having,
but
I
think
that
used
to
be
commended
for
him
and
his
staff,
because
our
garbage
service
is
top-notch.
Z
Z
K
A
A-Plus,
thank
you
all
right.
Anything
else,
all
right.
Anybody
from
the
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
resolution
22-40,
with
the
one
exception
that
the
rates
go
in
to
effect
on
october.
1St,
so
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
bankston.
Yes,
exactly
a
second
like,
mr
smith,
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
resolution.
2022-414.
R
R
A
Any
questions
for
vladimir
on
this
one-
I
just
wanna-
let
everybody
know
just
if
you
go
back
the
former
ems
provider
or
billing
provider
neb,
we
didn't.
We
didn't
collect
this
money,
so
this
is
found
money
that
because
we
changed
providers,
it's
now
coming
coming
into
the
coffers
of
the
city.
So
I
think
it's.
It
was
a
great
move
and
it's
continued
to
pay
dividends
anyway,
any
other
anybody
from
we
should
speak
on
this
matter.
D
D
All
right
can
we
just
mention
that
we,
this
will
be
glad
vladimir's
she's.
D
R
Gonna
take
the
minute
and
just
say
thank
you
to
the
new
commissioner
and
the
old
commissioners
and
the
opportunity
that
I
got
to
work
for
the
city
of
apopka
and
joe,
so
he's
in
record
I'm
just
living
for
totally
personal
matters.
I
have
little
kids
that
need
me
at
home
and
I
just
can't
stay
at
nighttime,
so
I
have
decided
to
move
forward
and
I'm
going
to
another
city.
So
I'm
not
going
that
far
and
I'll
be
available,
like
I
told
edward
and
the
team
as
needed.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
R
So
vladimir
ortega,
for
the
last
time,
finance
director
for
the
city
of
apopka,
this
is
a
resolution
number
2022-42
establishing
the
city
of
apopka,
general
fund
balance
and
research
policy,
and
I
have
put
together
a
small
presentation.
I
will
not
read
every
page,
so
I
summarize
the
summary
in
this
presentation.
We
are
going
to
outline
the
gatsby
54
definitions,
the
phone
balance,
guidelines
for
the
general
fund
and
they're
all
number
number
in
there
I'll.
R
Just
summarize,
the
comparison
to
other
cities
and
the
proposed
general
fund
balance
and
reserve
policy
that
we
have
put
for
your
presentation
and
approval.
So
gatsby
gaspy
definitions
are
five
of
them.
I
listed
four,
but
I
have
the
fifth
one
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about.
The
number
one
is
restricted
funds,
and
that
is
the
amounts
that
can
be
spent
for
specific
purposes
stipulated
by
constitution
or
external
providers
such
as
grantors
and
an
example
of
that
restricted
fund.
R
We
come
and
through
an
ordinance,
you
approve
it
or
disapprove
it.
A
third
one
is
assigned
funds,
and
these
are
orgasmic
definitions.
I
just
summarize
them
some
of
them.
This
one
is,
do
not
meet
the
criteria
of
restricted
or
committed
funds
and
assign
phone
balance
comprises
amounts
intended
to
be
used
by
the
government
for
specific
purposes.
R
R
Some
recommendations
we
have
gfoa,
which
is
the
government
finance
officers
association,
recommends
that
governments
establish
a
formal
policy
on
the
level
of
unrestricted
fund
balance
in
the
general
fund
for
gaap
and
budgetary
purposes.
The
appropriate
level
in
the
general
fund
should
take
into
account
each
government
owned
circumstances.
R
R
R
It
includes
the
purpose
of
our
policy
for
the
city
of
apopka
definitions
discussed
previously
our
target
minimum
on
a
sign
from
balance
of
no
less
than
25
percent
spending,
order
of
phone
balances,
the
acceptable
uses
of
reserve
and
the
replenishment.
R
T
It
would
be
similar
to
the
florida
administrative
code,
so
these
are
just
placeholders
for
where
this
will
eventually
slide
in
and
then
all
the
numbers
will
be
made
consistent.
So
you
know,
finance
department
will
have
its
own
title
and
within
there
the
procurement
policies
will
be
there
and
the
other
any
other
policies.
So
it
makes
it
it'll
be
a
lot
easier
for
every
every
department
head
will
get
a
binder
that'll,
be
the
apopka
administrative
code
with
all
of
the
departmental
policies.
T
R
So
with
that,
that
concludes
my
presentation
and
the
recommend
motion
is
to
adopt
resolution
22-42
at
25
for
the
city
of
apopka.
D
I
did,
and
I
I
did
present
a
question
to
edward
bass,
the
city's
current
reserve
policies
and
targets.
I
wanted
the
millage
rate
for
each
one
for
the
ones
like
winter
garden
is
30.
They
have
30
percent
reserve.
What's
their
military
clermont
25,
what's
their
military,
orlando
25
is
their
reserves
what's
their
military
and
when
to
park
30
of
the
that
they
have
for
reserve.
What's
their
military
in
comparison
to
ours,.
L
L
I
know
I
think,
where
a
garden
just
reduced
theirs
a
little
bit,
so
the
nurse
came
down
closer
to
ours,
but
I
will
get
you
that
information.
I
can
get
you
all
the
military
information,
okay,.
G
Well,
of
course,
I'm
very
pleased
to
see
this
come
forward.
This
has
been
something
that
have
kind
of
carried
us.
As
you
read
there.
The
gfoa
recommends
establishing
a
reserve
policy
and
that's
something
I
brought
forth
a
number
of
years
back
and
the
numbers
are
similar
to
what
I
studied
at
that
time
of
other
cities
similar
to
hours.
G
My
only
thought
was
again
under
y7
on
our
page
486,
okay,
the
acceptable
uses
of
reserves,
the
one
thing
that
I
think
the
gfoa
had
mentioned
as
well
in
different
places,
and
I
think
we
could
put
it
under
y
7.1,
which
says
unanticipated
revenue
shortfalls
due
to
unforeseen
circumstances,
including
a
significant
and
prolonged
downward
trend
in
an
economic
cycle.
G
But
the
other
thing
is
also
legislative
action,
whether
it
be
county,
state
or
federal,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
in
there,
because
I
remember
back,
then
there
was
a
proposal
that
would
have
taken
a
big
chunk
out
of
our
budget,
which
again
it's
an
acceptable
use
to
get
in
there.
The
point
of
this
is
not
to
have
money
that
you
can
never
touch
it's
to
just
have
money.
G
That
is
there
when
it
is
needed
for
specific
things,
and
so
that's
one
of
those
that
you
know
if
we
suddenly
get
hit
with
legislation
that
affects
our
bottom
dollar.
We
have
to
be
able
to
pivot,
so
I
think
that's
something
that
should
be
included
there
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate
place
to
put
it
or
the
best
language
for
that
that
would
you
know
if
everybody
would
agree,
but.
L
That
would
be
the
if
you're
going
to
place
that
restriction
with
that
restriction,
and
I
think
that's
fine,
commissioner,
keep
in
mind-
usually
the
state
legislature,
your
federal
government
or
county,
usually
when
they
pass
the
law
or
legislation
they
usually,
if
the
next
year
give
us
time
to
prepare
for
our
budget.
They
usually
don't
hit
you
right
in
the
middle,
but,
as
you
know,
there
could
be
a
special
assessment.
G
G
You
know
the
case
in
point,
the
the
baseline
that
they
were
recommending
was
16.7,
something
along
the
nature
and-
and
I
I
was
trying
to
get
across
and
obviously
didn't
do
as
well
in
the
past-
that
if
we
look
at
that,
it's
like
getting
dressed,
that's
really
more,
your
undergarments,
that's
not
like
you're
fine.
If
you
have
that
level,
that's
where
you
start
and
then
you
have
to
decide,
am
I
putting
on
a
jacket?
Am
I
putting
on
a
parka?
How
much
do
I
add
to
that?
G
And
that's
really
what
the
heart
of
this
recommendation
was,
so
the
16.7
percent,
I
don't
think
we
should
look
at-
is
being
fully
clothed.
You
know,
that's
why
you
know
you
begin
to
add
in
and
of
course,
storms.
You
add
in
these
other
different
issues
that
we
have
here
under
acceptable
uses
and
that's
where
I
kind
of
come
up
with
that
25
and
again
it
seemed
to
be
acceptable
in
other
municipalities,
the
other,
the
only
other
issue.
G
I
brought
it
up
to
you
the
other
day,
and
I
don't
know
whether
everyone
would
agree
on
this,
but
it
is
on
why
7.4,
we
have
major
capital
asset
replacement.
What
about
a
major
capital
investment
opportunity?
In
other
words
such
as
we
will
something
along
those
lines.
If
it
comes
up
there's
no
way,
we
could
have
known
that,
and
suddenly
it's
this
incredible
opportunity
that
we
want
to
jump
on.
I
don't
want
to
have
funds
that
are
so
restricted.
G
We
can't
move
on
that
as
long
as
they
don't
go
down
to
that
place,
that
it
really
puts
us
in
danger
if
we
have
a
storm
right
after
that
something
along
those
lines.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
the
rest
of
the
board
would
consider
or
the
council
would
consider
as
something
that
should
be
accessible.
T
To
do
it,
I
also
want
to
remind
you
that
the
the
list-
and
why
in
why
point
seven
is
not
exhaustive,
and
it
is
stating
that
these
are
just
examples
that
are
including,
but
not
limited
to.
So
as
long
as
you
meet
the
standards
that
are
set
forth
in
y7
right,
then
that
you
can
justify
the
use
of
the
reserves.
It's
not
limited
to
those
five
okay,
if
it's
drafted.
L
Keep
in
mind,
too
that
several
years
ago,
the
legislature
passed
a
bill,
a
law
that
required
all
budget
amendments
to
come
back
to
city
council.
That's
why
you
see
any
budget
amendment
that
adds
or
subtracts
from
the
revenues
or
expenditures
you
have
to
approve
a
resolution
on
every
one
of
those.
So
keep
in
mind.
If,
if
this
council
ever
directed
us
to
go
into
those
reserves,
we
would
come
back
with
a
resolution
and
you
would
have
the
opportunity
to
see
all
information,
all
facts
and
decide
if
you
want
to
actually
draw
upon
those
those
reserves.
L
L
To
give
you
that
information
when
you
make
that
decision
on
those
budget
amendments
so
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
a
policy
will
follow.
But
at
any
time
council
could
direct
staff
to
hey,
come
back
and
want
to
use
a
million
dollars
of
reserves,
and
it
would
take
a
vote
through
a
resolution
like
we
do
now
for
a
budget
amendment.
G
L
G
L
L
Yes,
I
agree
and
here's
another
thing
I
think,
speaking
from
the
finance
side,
as
you
know,
we're
getting
ready
to
borrow
some
money,
some
big
money
for
a
public
safety
complex.
This
is
one
of
the
items
that
the
lenders
like
to
see
you
get
points
for
this.
This
makes
a
difference
as
well.
They
want
to
make
sure
you're
going
to
have
appropriate
reserves.
If
something
did
happen,
you
could
still
make
the
debt
service
payment.
L
So
this
is
an
important
piece
that
will
help
when
we
go
out
to
issue
for
a
debt
service
for
for
a
public
safety
complex
into
such
a
big.
B
I
think
it
was
five
years
ago
when
I
said
that
I
thought
we
only
have
a
25
percent
reserve,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
move
in
that
direction
and
I'm
happy
to
see
it
and
at
first
I
was
concerned
also
from
entire
hands.
But
I
read
that
sentence
that
the
attorney
just
alluded
to
that.
It's
just
not
limited
to
the
following,
and
so
I
feel
comfortable
with
the
with
this
ordinance.
A
K
H
A
Opposed
motion
guarantee-
and
I
would
like
to
thank
vladimir-
we
haven't
had
her
that
long,
but
she
she's
got
us
a
staff.
You
know
she's,
I
guess
hired
five,
I
mean
really
quality
staff.
I
mean
we
will
definitely
miss
her,
but
she's
left
the
empty.
The
cupboard
is
not
empty,
the
cupboard
is
full,
which
is
which
really
makes
for
whoever
comes
in
next
will
an
easy
transition
and
we
couldn't
have
done
it
without
you.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
View
up
viewing
us
here,
I
did
speak
to
edward
bass
and
I
did
speak
to
rad
mr
radley
regarding
the
presentation
that
he
made
for
the
inclusion
adjacent
the
inclusion
park
at
jason
dwelling,
and
I
did
tell
him
that
at
that
presentation,
when
we
didn't
have
any
residents
that
I
did
make
a
facebook
post
and
got
a
very
big
response
from
it.
I've
had
like
54
comments,
but
of
that
it
was
probably
about
30
different
residents,
and
so
he
has
agreed
to
make
this
presentation
again.
D
That
would
give
those
residents
who
did
reach
out
to
me
through
facebook
that
they
would
have
an
opportunity
to
have
their
input
for
this
part.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
we're
working
on
a
date
and
as
soon
as
we
get
a
date
I
will
share.
I
will
share
it
on
my
social
media
and
because
their
response
tells
me
that
they
are
following
me
on
social
media
so
that
they
have
an
opportunity
for
their
input.
D
D
They
did
an
unveiling
of
a
beautiful
mural
over
at
in
paramore,
so
I
attended
that
this
morning
and
I
just
want
to
thank
dealer
and
her
mom
for
inviting
me
it's
a
beautiful
mural.
If
anybody
wants
to
see
that
it's
on
101,
terry
road
in
paramore
and
so
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
for
our
hometown
artists
and
of
course,
we
all
attended.
The
first
watch
groundbreaking,
I
mean
opening.
I
should
say
so.
That
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
that's
basically
it
I
mean.
We've
done
a
couple
of
things.
D
Three
weeks
we've
done
what
goldberg
covers?
Oh
and
culver's?
Oh
my
god,
yeah
we
had
cobras.
I
was
the
first
time
I've
actually
eaten
one
of
their
famous
butter
burgers.
Is
that
what
that's
called
was
very
good.
I
was
expecting
samples,
but
they
actually
gave
full
burgers
and
french
fries
and
everything
else
it
was.
It
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
it
was
delicious.
So
I
I
understand
that
our
community
is
super
happy
having
culver's
in
our
backyard,
so
welcome
to
culver's.
K
G
I
did
want
to
mention
that
I
did
did
ask
actually,
after
our
previous
meeting
about
lake
and
our
sidewalks,
and
I
know
that
there's
focus
on
making
that
happen,
that
that's
a
genuine
concern
and
it's
it's
a
legitimate
thing,
and,
and
so
you
know
as
we're
able
to
continue
to
move
towards
those
things.
G
You
know
speed
of
government,
sometimes
it's
slower
than
we
like,
but
I'm
glad
that
we're
focusing
on
that
and
the
other
thing
was-
and
I
did
bring
it
up
earlier
as
well-
is
our
our
school
issue
and
our
our
mitigation
needs
for
having
schooling
and
looking
at
the
proposal
that
we
don't
see
the
high
school
on
the
list,
a
new
high
school,
and
yet
that's
where
our
numbers
are
lacking,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
part
of
approving
those
things
is
what
pushes
them
to
say.
G
Okay,
you
need
to
move
us
up
on
the
list,
just
like
our
new
school
that
we
got
so
it's
just
it's
a
frustrating
process
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
and
anticipating
that
things
can
be
done
at
a
higher
level.
That
can
make
it
easier
on
all
of
us,
because
we
have
our
responsibility,
they
have
theirs
and
you
know
trying
to
make
that
happen
and
so
seeing
those
numbers
it.
It
is
concerning
and
frustrating
especially
comparative
to
other
districts.
G
So
hopefully
we
can
get
some
work
done
as
we
continue
to
do
our
part.
You
know
from
the
city
level
and
again
we'll
just
all
you
know,
keep
reaching
out
there
and
working
together
make
it
happen.
K
L
B
That
we
had
great
employees
that
was
really
helping
our
citizens
move
forward,
and
I
want
to
also
give
a
shout
out.
I
guess
it's
to
the
grounds
department
for
removing
the
overgrowth
on
441
as
you're
approaching
sam's
on
the
south
side
of
441.
B
It
was
almost
out
to
the
road,
and
so
I
saw
that
work
been
done,
and
I
just
would
encourage
them
to
do
the
same
thing
on
the
north
side,
between
this
7
and
11,
and
shoot
straight
along
by
where
the
lake
is
and
then
again
a
little
bit
further
by
the
by
the
motel
to
the
trailer
parks.
So
great
things
that
are
happening
here
in
our
city
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that
we
are
observing
and
we're
watching.
We
appreciate
it.
A
I
Obviously,
to
the
it
department
thank.
K
I
Getting
this
all
set
up,
I
was
here
two
weeks
ago
for
drc
and
it
was
looked
different,
but
they
promised
we'll
get
it
done
in
two
weeks.
We'll
get
it
done
two
weeks
and
it's
it's
been
awesome.
So
thank
you
so
much
to
you
and
your
team
for
knocking
this
out.
So
I'm
sure
you've
been
stressed
all
day,
but
it's
been
pretty
streamlined
for
us.
I
Sure,
well,
it's
done
great,
and-
and
we
really
appreciate
you
for
that-
we're
trying
to
see
do
we
have
an
update
on
the
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
committee?
Did
they
recently
meet?
Are
you
are
you
doing
that?
Yes,
okay
and
then
the
other
one
was
oh
annexation
workshop?
N
I
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Next
up,
edward.
L
So
real,
quick,
your
financial
update
for
this
month,
we
have
11
months
after
12
months
for
fiscal
year
22.,
our
variance
is
almost
1.6
million
dollars
additional
over
our
actual
budgeted.
What
the
number
the
state
gave
us!
It's
positive!
It's
a
positive
news
right
now,
but
it
will
be
interesting
as
we
continue
to
move
through
over
the
next
12
months
to
see
where
this
number
is
they're
projecting
our
downturn.
L
So
we
could
go
the
other
way
a
little
bit,
but
it's
nice
to
know.
We
have
this
number
now
to
help
with
what
could
happen,
our
future
numbers
in
our
23
budget.
So
that's
all.
T
Here
we
go
all
right
as
promised,
as
you
requested
commissioner
banks,
in
an
overview
of
potential
noise
ordinances.
T
Now
the
city
of
apopka
does
not
have
a
specific
noise
ordinance.
I
think
noise
noises
are
really
right
now
governed
under
what
is
provided
for
in
the
florida
building
code,
and
it's
very
broad
fdle
several
years
ago
conducted
a
survey
of
the
state
in
order
to
examine
different
types
of
noise
ordinances
and
they
pretty
much
narrowed
down
local
governments
having
two
types
of
noise
ordinances.
T
One
type
of
noise
ordinance
is
called
a
nuisance
based
or
nuisance
statement,
and
a
second
type
of
ordinance
is
called
performance
based.
So,
as
for
the
first
one
nuisance-based
nuisance,
space
is
mainly
taken
by
a
complaint
is
called,
and
the
person
who
is
offended
by
the
noise
establishes
it
as
a
nuisance.
T
T
Someone
might
be
offended
now.
If
you
infernally
blast,
toby,
keith
and
kenny
chesney
towards
me,
I
might
call
the
national
guard.
So
that's
how
subjective
nuisance-based
noise
ordinances
are
the
same
offense.
Yet
one
could
be
worthy
of
prosecution.
One
cannot
and
those
will
not
withstand
a
challenge
in
court.
In
2011,
the
florida
state
supreme
court
ruled
the
first
iteration
of
the
loud
music
from
cars
statute
unconstitutional
because
the
main
language
that
they
boarded
that
the
statute
provided
for
was
plainly
audible,
but
plainly,
audible
was
not
properly
defined.
T
It
was
very,
it
was
very
subjective
and
it
opened
the
door
for
basically
discretionary
and
arbitrary
enforcement,
so
that
leads
now
to
the
second
base.
Second
form
of
noise
ordinances,
which
are
ones
that
have
with
have
mainly
wood,
stood
court
scrutiny
and
those
are
the
the
performance
based
performance-based
codes
have
specific
sound
level
guidelines
which,
after
taking
a
sound
level,
reading,
clearly
state
what
is
and
what
is
not
a
violation.
T
T
Now,
what
does
it
take
to
implement
a
performance-based
code
when
a
local
government
chooses
a
performance-based
code,
the
personnel
assigned
to
the
enforcement
of
the
ordinance,
so
it
would
either
be
code
enforcement
officers
or
law
enforcement
officers.
They
must
receive
training
in
the
use
of
this
of
sophisticated
equipment.
This
would
be
the
sound
measuring
devices.
T
Some
performance
based
codes
are
based
upon
statistical
averaging.
However,
these
types
of
ordinances
require
very
sophistic
equipment,
which
is
very
expensive.
Other
performance-based
codes
prohibit
noise
to
exceed
a
specific
level
for
a
given
period
of
time.
However,
there
is
a
difficulty
in
enforcing
such
a
code,
as
an
officer
must
prove
that
the
source
is
above
the
limit
for
a
specific
period
of
time,
which
is
difficult
to
do
without
specific
measurement.
Some
of
these
codes
are
the
sound
has
to
be
at
a
certain
threshold
for
a
certain
level
of
time.
T
So,
if
you
are
at
at
x
threshold
for
four
minutes,
then
it
it
requires
that
now,
you're
going
to
have
to
involve
to
be
properly
trained,
come
out
with
the
proper
equipment,
has
to
identify
the
noise
source
and
then
measure
and
have
the
timing
and
measurement
done
correctly
in
order
to
withstand
a
potential
court
challenge
a
form.
A
form
of
performance-based
code,
which
is
effective,
is
an
ordinance
which
states
a
specific
decibel
level
that
should
not
be
exceeded
when
measuring
a
single
incident
that
exhibits
the
everyday
operation
of
the
location
in
question.
T
So
these
are
what
you
mainly
see
out
there,
and
that
is
basically
the
receiving
property
receives
a
noise
at
at
or
exceeding
the
threshold.
That
is
allowed
per
code,
and
usually
these
are
also
time
based.
So
you
have
a
certain
threshold
of
decibels
during
the
day,
another
threshold
of
decibels
at
night.
T
So
let's
get
to
the
practical
bones
which
is
what's
going
to
be
required
to
enfor,
enforce
a
noise
ordinance,
so
sound
measurement
equipment
is
manufactured
in
accordance
with
the
american
national
standards
institute.
It's
important
for
the
local
government
to
use
equipment
that
meets
these
industry
standards.
So
this
goes
along
to
what
you
had
stated
previously.
Well,
you
know
you
can
measure
your
decibel
levels
with
an
iphone
app.
T
That
is
true.
Now
the
question
then
becomes
is
an
iphone
app
going
to
be
something
that
is
going
to
withstand
a
challenge.
One
of
the
things
fdle
reviewed
is,
if
you're
going
to
go
after
someone.
T
Let's
go
back
to
my
little
humorous
example,
so
my
neighbor's
upset
that
I'm
blasting
tupac
at
10
30
p.m
on
a
friday,
and
he
calls
in
whether
an
individual
is
going
to
take
the
time
to
try
to
challenge
the
calibration,
the
the
that
type
of
the
basis
of
the
measurement
it
calls
into
question.
It's
like
someone
deciding
not
to
fight
a
speeding
ticket
because
they
don't
want
to
go
in
and
try
to
determine
whether
the
speed
radar
was
properly
calibrated.
T
T
T
You're
going
to
have
there
is
if
the
offender
has
the
financial
resources
to
challenge
it,
you're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
proper
equipment
and
the
proper
training,
so
a
good
quality
measurement
device
can
be
purchased
with
calibrating
with
a
calibrating
device,
and
so
several
years
ago,
when
fdle
examined
this,
they
estimated
the
price
for
each
each
instrument
at
about
a
thousand
dollars.
I
this
was.
This
study
was
done
prior
to
2010.
T
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
that
might
be
double
the
cost
now
for
a
properly
for
a
proper
measurement
device
that
meets
the
standards,
then
the
question
that
a
local
government
has
to
take
as
well.
How
many
of
these
devices
are
we
going
to
have?
Is
every
police
officer
going
to
have
a
noise
measuring
device,
or
are
we
going
to
split
them
up
and
then,
if
there's
a
noise
complaint,
you
have
to
make
sure
that
the
proper
noise
officer
goes
out
with
his
device
to
to
do
this?
T
That's
in
related
the
officers
are
going
to
have
to
require
proper
training
in
the
use
of
the
equipment,
including
where
and
how
to
conduct
proper
readings.
The
actual
source
of
the
noise
must
be
identified
and
described.
The
instrument
used
for
the
measurement
should
be
properly
calibrated
and
the
resort.
The
results
recorded,
noting
the
results
of
the
field
calibration,
is
absolutely
required
for
valid.
Sound
measurement
report
form.
T
So
these
are
the
kind
of
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
what
it's
going
to
take
to
actually
have
an
effective
noise
ordinance
and
one
that
will
withstand
a
proper
challenge,
and
I
mean
I'd
like
to
to
have.
If
I'm,
if
we're
going
to
do
something
of
this
nature,
I
would
I
would
advise
we
make
sure
we
have
it
done
right
and
we
have
it
done
in
such
a
form
that
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
survive
any
challenge
that's
presented.
So
as
examples
of
jurisdictions,
I
had
three
jurisdictions
that
I
looked
at.
T
Two
of
them
were
just
familiarity
because
I've
worked
on
these
before
one
is
city:
daytona,
beach,
here's
the
city
with
a
lively
entertainment
district,
so
you're
going
to
have
issues
where
you're
going
to
have
entertainment,
commercial
uses
budding
against
residential,
where
you
may
have
certain
instances
of
noise,
complaints
for
the
city
of
daytona
beach
in
residential
areas,
from
7
a.m,
to
10
p.m.
Their
standard
is
60
decibels
and
from
10
p.m.
To
7
a.m.
It's
55
decibels
that
is
more
than
60
decibels.
T
I
think
I'm
trying
to
remember
don't
hold
me
on
this,
but
just
by
comparison,
because
we
had
this
issue
usually
come
up.
If
you're
standing
near
a
lawnmower,
a
lawnmower
is
about
generating
about
75
decibels,
so
it
doesn't
take
much
to
get
to
exceed
those
limits.
I
mean
we're
not
talking
jet
engines
which
are
over
the
100,
but
that's
your
level,
so
in
commercial
and
daytona
beach
date.
7
a.m
to
10
p.m,
which
be,
let's
see,
let's
call
those
business
hours
or
65
decibels.
Non-Business
hours
are
60
decibels
and
industrials
cannot
exceed
75
decibels.
T
At
all
times,
orange
county
is
slightly
different.
They
have
they
split
up
their
their
land,
their
noise
areas
into
by
land
use
category
based
on
noise,
sensitive
zone
and
residential
areas,
but
their
thresholds
are
again.
T
They
have
60
decibels
to
55
decibels
or
their
main
thresholds
based
on
hours
of
operation.
Volusia
county
is
similar
to
daytona,
in
which
their
manufacturing
agricultural
at
all
times
cannot
exceed
75
decibels.
Residential
business
hours
are
60
decibels,
non-business
hours
are
55
any
commercial
or
tourist
areas.
Business
hours
are
65
decibels
and
non-business
hours
or
60
decibels
are
the
thresholds.
T
So
these
are
the
things
if
you
want
to
take
and
take
into
consideration
if
you
want
to
adopt
a
noise
ordinance.
Recently,
the
city
of
new
smyrna
beach
was
revamped,
their
noise
ordinances,
they
actually
had
wasn't
necessarily
a
workshop,
but
they
had
a
an
opportunity
for
businesses
to
come
in
to
discuss
how
possible
noise
ordinance
would
affect
them.
T
This
can
come
into
mind,
especially
here
in
the
city,
where
we're
beginning
to
try
to
develop
a
lively,
downtown
area,
and
I
think
it
perhaps
would
be
smart
to
involve
local
businesses
because
we
wouldn't
want
to
have
uses
like
propagate
or
three
odd
guys
right
here
run
smack
dab
into
noise
complaint
because
we're
in
a
downtown
area.
That
is
mixed,
I
think,
probably
similar.
Could
we
could
have
similar
issues
in
the
kelly
park
area
with
mixed
uses?
T
Where,
if
we
like
to
have
restaurants
that
like
to
have
live
music,
there
are
going
to
be
near
residential
areas,
you
know:
are
we
going
to
end
up
creating
a
problem
and
creating
a
lot
more
noise
complaints
because
of
the
thresholds
that
we
established
without
working
and
cooperating
with
the
business
community,
the
city?
So
that's
the
kind
of
30
000
foot
overview
we
have
not
drafted
my
office
has
not
drafted
a
draft
ordinance.
T
I
we
would
do
so
if
with
direction
from
council,
if
you
wish
to
take
that
route
or
you
know
or
or
not,
take
that
route.
If
you
don't
believe
it's
a
it's
a
problem
that
needs
addressing.
D
Well,
wow,
you
made
the
noise
ordinance
very
complicated,
but
I
think
what
the
issue
that
we
had
was
why
this
came
up
was
a
neighbor
in
a
residential
area.
I
think
what
she
really
wanted
to
address
was:
how
do
we
respond
to
someone
playing
music
at
3
30
in
the
morning,
like
I
think
they
were
looking
for?
Is
there
you
know
after
11,
just
you
can
have
a
party,
but
when
all
your
neighbors
are
hearing
your
party,
how
do
we
regulate
that.
T
But
if
you,
if
you
don't
regulate
that
in
an
objective
form
which
is
decibels,
then
you're
back
to
what
I
stated,
which
was
the
problems
with
the
nuisance
based,
which
is
someone
you'll,
have
20
neighbors.
One
neighbor
calls
because
they're
either
offended
by
the
music
or
they
just
don't
want
to
do
the
loudness.
But
then
it's
it's.
It
opens
the
door
for
selective
enforcement
for
not
having
a
broad.
T
By
simply
saying
look,
you
cannot
play
music
after
11
pm
well,
but
if
my
music
is
not,
if
I
can
play
my
music,
the
question
is
what
is
because
the
courts
have
said
readily
audible
is
not
enough
of
a
standard
to
prosecute
someone
for
violation
of
an
ordinance.
So
if
I
can
hear
the
music,
but
if
the
music
is
such
where
I
can
hear
it,
but
it's
not
offensively
loud
so
then
the
question
becomes
well
how
where's
that
gradient
of
you
know
I'm
angry
at
my
neighbors.
I
can
kind
of
hear
the
music
yeah.
T
T
T
It
then
fell
also
down
to
a
question
of
the
statute
then
stated
what
kind
of
noise
is
permissive,
and
not
so
at
a
certain
time
of
the
day
that
that
statute
actually
said
you
couldn't
play
your
loud
music,
but
if
you
were
a
car
advertising,
your
business
at
the
same
decibel
as
the
music,
that
was
okay.
Well,
the
court
said
no.
Now
what
you've
done
is
you've
imprinted.
You
you've
infringed
on
someone's
free
speech
rights
because
what
made
their
business
speech
acceptable,
yet
their
artistic
speech
unacceptable
and
that
violated
their
first
amendment
rights.
T
So
when
you
just
leave
it
to
strict
scientific
standards
of
this,
is
the
time
play.
If
you
do
a
straight
objective
decibel,
then
that
is
a
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restriction
on
speech
that
you
can
then
address,
and
it
would
be
consistent
with
florida's
constitutional
provision,
which
gives
everyone
a
right
to
peaceful
enjoyment
of
the
environment
without
it
then
going
too
far
into
then
infringing
on
someone's
free
speech
rights.
D
T
If,
if
we
had
a,
if
we
had
a
specific
ordinance,
then
an
officer
would
go
out
with
his
recording
device
go
and
be
on
that
person's
property
identify
where
the
sound
is
coming
from,
and
if
his
measuring
device
showed
that
the
music
was
coming
in
above
60
decibels,
then
that
person
would
be
cited
and
it
would
be
an
objective
citation.
Your
music
was
recorded
at
a
certain
at
this
certain
place
after
the
certain
time
exceeding
60
decibels
and
here's
your
notice
to
appear.
It
would
be
like
a
speeding
ticket
that.
D
T
There's
nothing
to
stop
an
officer
from
knocking
on
the
door
and
just
simply
stating
hey.
We
got
a
complaint
turn
it
down
and
a
person
can
turn
it
down
as
as
as
a
participant
in
many
80s
and
90s
miami
house
parties
that
music's
going
back
up
unless
the
cop
comes
in
and
starts
issuing
tickets
or
shutting
it
down.
Okay,.
G
So
it's
it's
a
battle
between
jerks
and
karen's
yeah
I
mean,
and
you
know,
that's
subjective.
One
person
say
you
were
karen,
the
others
say
well,
you're
a
jerk
and
it's
a
societal
issue
is
part
of
it.
But
what
do
we
do
in
a
practical
sense?
You
know
for
our
citizens.
So
I
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying
as
far
as
now
legally
and
our.
G
50
years
ago,
when
you
go
to
our
neighborhood,
say:
hey
you
know,
would
you
mind
turning
that
down?
It
is
in
some
cases,
but
so
what
do
we
do
from
a
legal
standpoint
and
I'm
just
thankful
to
at
least
have
this
conversation
to
you
know
for
you
to
paint
this
picture
for
us.
G
G
So
I
mean
again
disturbing
the
peace
used
to
be
a
standard,
a
law,
obscenity
laws.
You
know
someone
walking
in
here
with
an
f-bomb
on
their
shirt.
Do
we
not
have
that?
Because
now
it's
it's
trampling
all
free
speech.
I
mean
there's
just
a
balance
in
those
things
and
how
do
we
address
that
for
our
community
at
this
point?
Is
it
you
know
something
that
we
need
to
just
okay?
Now
we
know
what
the
parameters
are
and
let's
see,
if
it
continues
to
be
a
problem,
then
we
may
take
another
step
at
this
point.
G
T
T
It's
the
same
discretion
officers
have
when
conducting
a
speed,
stop
if
they
elect
to
give
them
a
warning
or
elect
them
to
to
give
them
a
ticket
that
discretion
is
going
to
exist,
as
well
as
the
state
attorney's
office
can
have
prosecutorial
discretion
as
to
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
even
proceed
to
go
forward
with
a
case
or
not.
T
That
discretion
is
going
to
exist,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
have
objective
standards
and
not
weighed
into
differentiate,
because
if
we,
if
you
wait
into
the
into
the
differentiation
of
noise
in
what
noise
is
offensive,
what
noise
is
not
offensive?
Now
you're
you're
you're,
creating
a
slippery
slope
where
you're
going
into
regulating
the
content
of
the
noise
and,
in
essence,
content
of
the
speech,
and
that
is.
T
Well,
it's
you
know
what
I'm
saying
right
except
the
question
becomes
someone
playing.
As
I
said,
I'm
I'm
a
kid
who
grew
up
in
the
80s
in
miami
two
live
crew
won
their
supreme
court
case
and
that
their
music
was
not
obscene,
so
their
rap
music
as
much
as
you
might
be
offended
by
their
lyrics,
their
their
lyrics
are
constitutionally
protected
and
we
would
not
be
able
to
impose
obscenity
laws.
Broward
county
tried
that
and
lost
before
the
supreme
court.
T
So
that's
the
threshold
where
it's
it's
it's
an
avenue
that
you
don't
want
to
go
into,
and
it's
a
lot
simpler
just
to
stay
on
the
objective:
it's
too
loud,
whether
you're
playing
rap
music
country,
music
or
the
battle
hymn
of
the
republic.
If
the
battle
hymn
of
the
republic
exceeds
60
decibels
at
3
o'clock
in
the
morning,
you're
subject
to
a
noise
violation.
T
I
didn't
I
see
with
the
language
they
changed.
I
I
did
not
review
that
because
that's
a
different
creature,
but
if
they
corrected
what
the
court
found
in
2011
in
case
of
state
versus
catalano,
where
the
court
stated
that
the
language
that
was
used
there,
which
was
the
plainly
audible
so
and
then,
and
that
one
also
then
had
differentiation.
So
it
permitted
permitted
commercial
speech,
it
permitted
political
speech,
but
it
prohibited
amplified
music
and
other
amplified
voices.
So
that
distinction
also
made
it
unconstitutional.
T
I
can
look
at
what
the
state
statute
is
now
regarding
the
noises
on
25
feet,
not
saying
that
that's
not
going
to
be
subject
to
another
constitutional
challenge,
which
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
only
a
matter
of
time
before
it
will,
but
I
can
make
I
can
come
up
with
a
distinction,
but
the
key
is.
I
went
through
the
case
of
catalano,
which
was
these
were
the
two
standards
that
the
court
found
a
problem
with,
which
was
that
originally
the
stat.
T
The
statute
had
that
the
music
had
to
be
plainly
audible,
25
feet
away
that
that
standard
was
too
subjective
to
withstand
a
constitutional
challenge,
as
well
as
the
differentiation
between
a
if
you're,
a
political
candidate,
with
a
loudspeaker
on
the
roof
of
your
car,
saying
vote
for
me
and
you're
driving
down,
and
you
can
definitely
hear
your
the
voice
from
over
25
feet.
That
person
wasn't
subject
to
prosecution.
Yet
someone
playing
loud
music
was,
and
the
court
said
well
that
that
you're
differentiating
the
content
of
the
speech
and
therefore
you
violated
the
first
amendment.
T
I
mean
I
can
look
at
the
new
statute
to
see
if
there's
what
standards,
but
if
the,
if
the
state,
if,
if
those
standards
are
removed,
then
the
state
is
now
attempting
again
to
try
to
get
this
statute
passed
by
avoiding
the
pitfalls
of
the
first
statute,
we'll
see
what
a
potential
constitutional
challenge
which
will
come
down
the
pike
which
most
certainly
there
will
be
okay,.
A
Mr
nesta,
I
just
pretty
much
just
I.
I
This
gets
really
slippery,
really
quick,
and
I
think
we
should
navigate
away
from
it
as
there
could
be
a
lot
of
litigation
for
discrimination.
Things
like
that.
I
just
think
this
can
get
really
hairy,
really
quick
and
it's
not
what
it
used
to
be.
So
we
can't
just
knock
on
the
door
and
say:
please
turn
it
down.
So
it's.
K
I
T
As
I
said,
there's
nothing
to
stop
our
police
department
from
knocking
on
someone's
door
and
saying:
hey:
can
you
turn
it
down,
but
if
they
refuse
to
when
it's
going
to
come
time
to
enforcement,
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
standards,
the
right
equipment,
the
proper
training
in
order
to
withstand
any
challenge
in
in
court
and
at
my
goal
as
a
as
the
government.
If
I
go
to
court,
I'm
going
to
win.
G
Yeah,
you
know
again
the
only
thing
that,
with
all
of
this
being
said,
the
only
thing
that
seems
a
possible
reasonable
way
for
me.
I'm
trying
to
think
how
can
we
stop
domestic
violence
because
a
guy
feels
like
I
have
no
recourse
and
he
blows
his
stat
goes
over
turn
your
like
music
down,
you
know
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
now
the
cops
are
called
out,
but
our
society
is
what
it
is.
So
we've
just
got
to
endeavor
that,
and
you
know,
as
a
society
just
just
seek
to
do
better.
G
So
as
far
as
an
ordinance
level,
the
only
thing
with
everything
was
said
was
possibly
residential
areas
that
there's
a
time
and
a
decibel
level.
If
we
want
to
go
that
far,
I'm
not
pushing
for
that
at
this
point,
because
I
don't
know
you
know
like
you're
saying,
is
that
just
going
to
create
more
problem
than
it's
worth
probably.
T
The
key
is,
if
you
want
to
survey
the
public
we
can.
These
things
can
be
done
without
having
to
have
a
workshop
or
bringing
anyone
in
a
formal
meeting
survey
the
business
owners
survey,
the
residents
are
we
having
a
problem,
are:
are
certain
businesses
getting
noise
complaints
because
they're
they
have
music?
I
mean
I
don't.
T
I
don't
peruse
apopka
at
night
to
know
where
the
live
music
is,
but
I
mean
I
live
in
deland.
I
know
where
they're
the
music
venues
in
downtown
deland
and
their
music
can
be
heard.
One
mile
two
miles.
I
went
to
a
college
where
we
had
outdoor
parties
every
friday
and
saturday
we
had
an
outdoor.
We
had,
we
had
to
sarasota
county
actually
shut
us
down
for
six
months
until
we
had
to
have
proper
berms,
because
the
music,
our
music,
could
be
heard
up
to
three
miles
away
from
the
college.
T
Campus
and
yeah,
and
people
who
live
on
the
bay
in
sarasota
do
not
appreciate
good
funk
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I'm.
T
From
I
had
many
of
my
friends,
I
luckily
escaped
the
arrest
circle
that
came
when
the
sarasota
county
sheriff's
office,
rounded
up
many
students,
and
I
was
not
there
that
night.
Thankfully,
but
it's
it's
it's
a
concern
when
you
have
a
certain
use
that
generates,
and
that's
really
it's
less
likely
that
you
may
have
the
one-on-one
the
part,
the
person
having
the
house
party
and
the
noise
complaint,
those
can
be
resolved.
T
The
more
prevalent
issues
are
where
you're
going
to
have
an
industrial
use
where
you
have
trucks,
constantly
backing
up
construction
equipment
constantly
going
and
that's
reaching
a
decibel
level,
that's
annoying
to
a
residential
area
that
is
receiving
the
noise
or
the
commercial,
the
bar
or
the
live
music
venue.
That
is
that
can
cause
an
interference
because
that's
a
case
where
that's
not
something
where
you
can
go
to
the
bar
and
say:
hey:
can
you
guys
turn
down
the
live
music?
T
T
That's
where
you're
going
to
that's,
where
you're
going
to
run
into
more
problems,
because
now
you're
you're
interfering
with
a
livelihood
as
opposed
to
just
a
jerk
versus
a
karen,
which
is
probably
going
to
be
lower
percentage
than
I
mean
I
don't
want,
I'm
not
singling
them
out
as
an
example.
It's
just
because
they're
right
there,
then.
If
you
know
three
odd
guys
has
live
music
on
fridays
and
saturdays
and
it
happens
to
carry
a
carry
beyond
and
bother.
Somebody.
G
Well,
I
think
you
hit
it.
You
know
we're
here
to
serve
the
people.
So,
on
one
hand,
my
bias
is
towards
liberty,
you
know
let
people
enjoy
their
lives,
but
when,
when
you've
got
a
situation
like
that
3
a.m,
and-
and
is
this
an
issue
that
we
need
to
go
to
that
level?
Or
is
this
something
that
you
know
we
need
to
just
let
the
police
make
a
decision
if
it's
going
to
a
level,
they
feel.
A
A
Close
out
with
the
mayor's
report,
we
start
out
with.
We
got
some
road
closures.
I
want
to
make
everybody
aware
of
overnight
harmon
road
closure
under
the
429.
A
It
will
be
closed
on
tuesday
september
6th
and
september
7th,
from
8
pm
to
6
a.m,
for
some
bridge
work
and
we'll
we'll
post
this
also,
the
ocoee
apopka
road
county
road
437a
under
the
state
road
429,
scheduled
to
close
tuesday
september
6
and
of
september
6
friday
september,
30th
to
september
8
pm
to
6
a.m.
For
bridgework,
we
also
will
have
intermittent
closures
of
the
429
from
between
west
road
and
state
road
414,
from
tuesday
september,
6th
to
friday
september
night
from
8
30
pm
to
6
a.m.
A
For
road
work
we
also
have
at
u.s
441
in
central.
We
all
have
night
work
from
september
19th
to
the
22nd
from
7
00
pm
to
7
a.m,
low
road
closures
or
lane
closures,
and
you
could
the
lanes
could
change
in
the
middle
of
night
next
night.
So
just
be
careful.
That's
us
441
at
central
from
september
19th
to
the
22nd.
A
Let's
go
on
to
september
11th,
on
friday
september,
the
9th
we've
got
from
8
30
at
8
30
out
front.
We've
got
the
memorial
at
city
hall,
remembrance
with
the
police
and
fire.
A
Anybody
would
like
to
come
open
to
the
public.
This
front
steps
of
city
hall
on
saturday
september,
the
10th
we
have
the
the
5k
race
put
on
by
the
fire
department
at
northwest
rec
starting
at
8
a.m,
then
at
11
a.m.
At
the
amphitheater
we're
a
concert
featuring
great
music,
20
food
trucks,
kidzone
and
much
much
more,
we're
also
selling
at
the
fire
department.
If
you
want
to
pick
it
up,
we've
got
two
shirts
that
we're
gonna
be
selling
it's
the
austin
army
shirt
and
the
karina
strong
shirt.
A
A
Let's
see
local
businesses.
I
thought
we'd
kind
of
neat
we're
honoring.
You
know.
Naughty
lobster
took
third
place
in
best
seafood,
restaurants
by
the
orlando
weekly
for
the
for
all
of
22
and
the
axe.
Hole
took
first
place
for
best
axe
throwing
place
in
orlando.
So
to
two
of
our
local
businesses
that
made
it
to
the
made.
A
So
I'm
excited
about
that
and
then
last
well
not
last
a
couple
other
things:
the
hispanic
heritage
celebration
coming
up
a
week
from
saturday
we've
got
a
couple
of
bands
already
booked
we've
got.
I
think
four
restaurants
and
some
other
retailers
that
are
that
have
already
committed
to
to
our
our
september
17th
event.
We're
excited
about
that
and
we've
got
a
meeting
tomorrow
night
at
six,
so
the
the
diversity
meeting
will
be
tomorrow
night
at
six.
So
try
to
finalize
all
our
details
for
the
the
17th.
A
Then
we
have,
let's
see
the
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
a
couple
things.
One
is
victoria.
Thank
you
our
first
in
the
in
the
spotlight
with
a
brand
new
system
which
leads
me
to
to
our
good
friends.
Rob
and
bob
rit
department
stayed
here
until
10
o'clock
last
night
making
sure
this
thing
worked,
and
so
I
know
we're
we
said
75
percent,
but
the
75
percent
work.
A
A
B
A
Is
the
new
wayfaring
signs
that
we're?
This
will
be
the
top
of
the
sides
where
we
have
the
city
hall,
the
fire
department,
the
police
department?
This
will
go
at
the
top
of
our
signs,
and
so
we're
just
excited
to
really
start
getting
these.
These
improvements.
Eight,
I
think
it's
eight
signs
across
you
know
the
greater
downtown
apopka.
So
thank
you
for
this
is
who
was
that?
Yes?
Yes,
yes,
so
we're
excited
so
with
that
we're
going
to
take
a
like
a
quick
five.