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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting May 18, 2022
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on May 18, 2022 at 7 PM.
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B
C
B
Would
lead
us
guide
us
and
direct
us
in
the
way
that
you
have
us
to
go,
that
all
that
we
shall
say
and
do
will
be
pleasingly
acceptable
in
your
sight,
blessed
now
heavenly
father
this
mayor
these
commissioners?
If
we
continue
to
be
the
servants
of
the
citizens
of
apopka
and
bless
all
those
that
are
in
our
presence
tonight
and
thy
son
jesus
name,
we
pray,
amen.
B
D
B
B
Which
was
risen,
signed
into
law
on
may
18
1917.
the
act
required
that
all
men
in
the
u.s
between
the
ages
of
21
and
30
to
register
for
military
service.
Within
a
few
months,
some
10
million
men
across
the
country
have
registered
in
response
to
the
military
draft
by
the
end
of
world
war.
One
in
november
of
1918,
some
24
million
men
had
registered
under
the
selective
service
act
of
the
approximately
4.8
million
americans,
who
eventually
served
in
the
war.
Roughly
half
had
been
drafted
through
the
years.
The
requirements
elected
service
has
been
revised.
D
A
All
right
minutes,
I
know
we
had
a
couple
of
corrections
with
those
corrections
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
E
Question
and
just
want
to
get
some
clarity
on
the
minutes,
and
that
is
that
I've
noticed
and
also
I
was
contacted
by
a
constituent-
that
we
are
no
longer
summarizing
public
comments
and
we
had
been
doing
it
regularly
and
all
of
a
sudden
we're
not
doing
it.
So
I'd
like
to
refer
to
something
a
policy
change.
Where
is
it
that
we
why
we
no
longer
are
summarizing
our
public
comments.
F
There's
no
policy
change,
as
I've
stated
minutes
are
not
a
verbatim
transcript
of
the
hearings
of
the
of
the
meetings.
So
therefore
brief
summary
describing
what
occurred.
That's,
basically,
the
gist
of
minutes,
the
way
that
these
minutes
are
transcribed
now
that
are
prepared
now
in
the
and
the
identifying
of
the
eye
of
the
person
who
spoke
at
the
at
public
comment,
as
someone
who
spoke
is
consistent
with
other
jurisdictions.
F
D
F
You're
going
to
institute
a
policy
to
have
more
detailed
if,
if
you're,
looking
at
managing
how
the
minutes
are
to
be
provided
and
the
content
of
the
minutes,
then
it's
for
the
board
to
dictate
down
to
staff.
If
you
want
to
implement
a
policy
for
what
you
want
to
see
or
how
you
want
to
see.
The
minutes
prepared
minutes
are
just
simply
minutes
reflecting
the
events
of
the
meeting,
but
are
not
a
verbatim
transcript
of
the
meeting.
E
No,
but
we
have
been
consistently
summarizing
our
public
comments
and
all
of
a
sudden
they
are.
We
are
not
doing
that,
and
so,
when
I
did
ask
our
city
clerk
at
what
direction
or
who
directed
that,
we
no
longer
do
that
and
obviously
the
direct
the
direction
came
from
you.
F
F
E
I
would
like
to
have
a
summary
of
the
public
comments,
because
when
there's
a
public
records
request,
they
want
to
also
see
and
review
what
the
public
comments
were.
They
don't
have
to
be
verbatim,
but
a
summary
of
it.
How
are
we
now
referring
our
constituents
because
that's
who
we
work
for
and
that's
what
we
have
to
answer
to
when
they
say?
E
F
E
E
F
As
I
stated,
if
you
as
a
council
are
going
to
direct
staff
to
that
is
what
you
want
to
see
in
the
minutes.
That
is,
the
council's
prerogative
is
not
mine.
I
am
not
saying
you
cannot
do
it
or
you
can.
I
am
stating
if
it
is
your
intent
to
direct
staff
to
direct
the
clerk
to
provide
a
detailed
summary.
I.
F
F
A
F
Remove
the
minutes,
it
needs
to
be
a
correction
on
the
minutes.
The
minutes
for
on
page
22,
reflecting
the
m.
The
motion
on
on
ordinance,
29
31,
reflect
that
it
was.
There
was
a
motion,
a
second
to
approve
the
ordinance
at
first
reading
and
to
hold
over
the
ordinance
2931
was
actually
tabled.
F
E
F
F
Counsel,
the
council
directs
the
stat,
the
the
staff
works
at
discretion
to
counsel
and
if
the
account
is
the
council's
policy
to
request
that
you
wish
to
have
these
summarized
in
the
minutes,
then
let
there
be
a
direction.
Now,
that's
not.
What's
on
the
table
for
the
vote,
the
only
motion
that's
right
now
on
the
on
on
the
table
for
vote,
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
B
A
E
A
Oppose
motion
carries
now.
Okay.
Next
up,
we
have
a
proclamation
and
honored
to
be
a
part
of
this.
It's
the
florida
emancipation
day
proclamation
and
it
reads
as
stated,
whereas.
A
A
All
right
next
up,
we
got
the
water
safety
class
presentation
maynard
just.
G
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
commissioners,
when
I
came
to
the
city
of
apoca,
one
of
the
things
I
was
most
excited
about
in
taking
over
camp,
we
will
was
the
fact
that
we
had.
Finally
in
the
city
an
olympic-sized
swimming
pool.
C
So
it's
very
very
important
to
me
that
I'm
here
I
just
want
the
first
time
actually
addressing
and
being
here
talking
about
bray
one
of
the
the
things
real
quick
is.
I
can
talk
for
ever
about
this
stuff,
and
so
I
don't
wanna
let
anybody
fall
asleep,
but
I
just
wanna
say
dr
some
of
the
drowning
statistics
and
put
things
in
perspective
a
little
bit
in
the
u.s
drowning
takes
average
or
that
10
kids
die
or
drown
every
day.
C
That's
35
to
4
000
life,
just
to
put
things
a
little
bit
in
perspective.
That's
10
bosses
full
of
kids
every
year.
So
it
is
a
big
issue.
It
is
a
big
problem.
It
is
the
leading
cause
of
an
intentional
injury,
related
death
for
children
between
one
and
four
and,
of
course,
month
august.
Oh,
I'm
sorry
may
june
july
august
being
the
worst
month
just
because
of
the
summer,
I
know
I
was
doing
a
little
bit
of
research.
I
know
in
past
year
there's
a
42
percent
increase
and
drownings
with
kids.
C
Here
in
florida
alone,
sometimes
in
2009
we
will
delete
the
leading
state
passing
surpassing
texas
and,
of
course
we
we
can
fit
two
to
three
times
in
texas,
texas
being
the
second
one.
So
again
it
is.
It
is
a
huge
issue.
My
wife
asked
me
why
the
big
increase
I
I
do
believe
it's
because
of
cobit
people
started
not
allowing
kids
or
training
start.
Then
you
start
training
kits
or
that
stop.
In
other
words,
so
again
one
of
one
of
my
biggest
things.
C
C
We
actually
sponsor
kids
with
sponsor
kids
all
the
way
from
texas,
california,
of
course,
many
many
kids
here
in
in
in
apopka,
some
of
the
things
that
we
actually
can
help
with
it's.
C
We
self-rescue
training
counseling
for
families
has
gone
through
what
my
family
went
through
and
also
we
help
out
with
funeral
expenses.
So
thank
you
for
actually
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
kids
at
camp
wewa.
I
think
it
is
a
phenomenal
program.
I
think
that
we
had
a
good
turnout
and
also
I
had
a
chance
to
not
only
talk
to
the
kids
and
educate
them,
but
most
important
the
parents,
so
we
we
kind
of
hate
to
kill
two
birth
with
one
stone
kind
of.
So
thank
you.
H
Good
evening,
so
as
gary
and
hozing
said,
over
the
last
three
weeks,
we've
been
able
to
actually
educate
41
kids
from
pre-k
to
second
grade,
but
that
also
includes
their
parents,
their
grandparents,
some
of
them
brought
older,
younger
siblings
with
them.
So
all
those
kids
and
those
people
were
able
to
be
educated
about
this
class.
We
went
over
land
lessons
safety
around
in
in
the
water.
How
to
get
the
child
to
float
on
their
back,
get
to
the
edge
of
the
pool.
H
We
taught
them
cpr
first
aid,
not
only
the
parents,
but
the
kids
as
well
the
importance
of
calling
9-1-1
the
maintenance
around
your
pool,
the
housekeeping
things
as
well.
So
I
was
a
successful
three
weeks.
We
have
our
next
two
classes,
monday
and
tuesday
of
next
week.
We're
gonna
do
some
pool
lessons.
We're
also
gonna.
Do
a
little
graduation
for
the
kids.
Have
some
photos
of
the
class
see
some
of
the
cpr
classes
that
are
going
on
some
of
the
talking
the
land
lessons?
Also
some
of
the
water
stuff?
H
H
So
this
last
one
when
we
went
through
this
class,
we've
had
a
intake
and
drownings
in
the
community
over
the
last
couple
months,
and
so
we
decided
obviously
with
the
mayor
and
jose
and
gary
at
camp
wewa,
to
put
this
class
on,
but
we
also
needed
to
figure
out
other
ways
to
educate
the
community
and
outside
so
officer.
Wiggins
and
myself
have
incorporated
pool
safety
tips
within
our
public
safety
messages.
You
know
not
just
you
know,
stop
drop
and
roll.
You
know
call
9-1-1
but
pool
safety.
H
Lessons
as
well,
along
with
that,
we
have
a
partnership
with
1031
the
wolf
and
we
were
able
to
get
public
safety
psas
out
there
for
pool
safety,
hurricane
safety,
and
these
are
being
aired
on
the
radio
daily.
So
this
is
an
example
of
one
of
those
psas
swimming
is
great
for
people
of
all
ages,
but
it's
important
to
be
safe
while
in
and
around
the
water
here
are
some
simple,
life-saving
water
safety
tips
keep
an
eye
on
little
ones
and
inexperienced
swimmers.
H
They
are
especially
vulnerable
and
should
wear
a
coast
guard
approved
life
jacket
when
around
the
water
only
swim
in
designated
areas
supervised
by
lifeguards
teach
children
to
ask
permission
to
go
near
the
water,
learn
to
swim,
make
sure
everyone
who
uses
your
pool
knows
how
to
stay
afloat.
Enroll
your
children
in
swimming
lessons
at
an
early
age,
your
local
parks
and
rec
department
is
a
great
resource
for
budget-friendly
classes
for
more
water
safety
tips
from
the
apopka
fire
department
visit
1031thewolforlando.com.
D
A
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
publicly
thank
the
three
gentlemen
here,
plus
officer
wiggins.
I
you
know
just
right
after
that
that
drowning
that
happened
a
couple
were
they
were
packing
up
boxes
one
night
and
were
delivered
to
move
to
texas
the
next
day
and
they're
inside
packing
boxes
their.
I
guess,
five-year-old
went
out
on
the
back,
porch
got
into
the
pool
and
drowned,
and
so
I
I
immediately
reached
out
to
these
three
gentlemen
and
and
wiggins
and
said:
hey.
We
got
to
do
something
within
three
weeks.
A
They
had
a
program
put
together
on
land
and
in
the
water,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
them
for
sometimes
I
put
put
a
lot
of
pressure
on
you
guys
to
do
something
that
really
needs
to
be
done,
but
you
guys
stepped
up
to
the
plate
and
made
it
happen.
So
we
got
41,
hopefully
kids,
that
that
are
now
at
least
not
only
certified
in
the
water
but
but
certified
on
land
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
for
what
you
did.
I
To
that
as
well
having
twins
that
just
they
just
turned
one
and
they
went
through
a
survival
training
class
in
the
water
and
things
like
that
and
they
can
float
now,
it's
really
incredible
and
a
few
years
back,
our
family
had
we
found
one
a
two-year-old
at
the
bottom
of
a
pool.
She
was
in
a
coma
for
two
two
weeks,
but
then
came
out
of
it
and
no
brain
damage,
nothing,
but
that
for
our
family
was
a
kind
of
a
shot
across
about
it.
I
This
needs
to
be
taken
seriously
and
thank
you
what
a
value
add,
because
we
were
having
to
drive
out
of
town
to
go,
get
lessons,
and
now
we
have
this
right
here
in
apopka
and
couldn't
be
better.
So
thank.
K
I
K
All
right
all
right,
mayor
commissioners,
robert
hitler,
information
technology
director.
How
are
you
all
doing
this
evening,
good
outstanding?
This
is
more
of
a
follow-up
from
the
utility
billing
ivr
system.
They
were
doing
several
months
back.
They
were
looking
at
implementing
a
system,
doing
a
little
more
research
on
it
and
found
a
better
quality
overall
fit
that
should
be
much
better
for
the
utility
customers
here.
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
quick,
like
and
then
at
the
end
of
any
questions,
I'll
be
welcome
to
answer
them
in
any
way
for
you.
C
K
You
know
this
was
been
kicked
around
through
the
utility
billing
department
for
several
finance
directors
back
per
se
and
decided
if
vladimir
has
decided
she
wants
to
move
forward
for
this,
so
I've
been
working
with
them
to
try
to
get
it
implemented
and
you
know
put
out
a
quality
product
for
it.
So
the
company
that
they've
chosen
this
time
is
going
to
be
datatel
and
I'll,
give
you
some
statistics
and
information
on
them,
but
it's
going
to
be
available.
24
7.!
K
It's
you
know
a
high
availability
type
solution.
Again,
it's
nothing
new!
It's
something
that
we
just
don't
have
at
this
point
for
our
customers
to
pay
so
call
call
accounting
portion
of
it.
Customers
going
to
call
in
they'll
have
the
option
to
actually
pay
by
either
pushing
one
to
pay,
or
you
know
two
to
speak
to
a
live
person.
K
And
that's
those
are
the
four
cards
that
will
accept
this
point
in
time.
Once
they've
made
their
payment,
they'll
have
the
option
of
either
getting
a
text
message
showing
the
invoice
number
or
they
can
also
get
a
verbal
confirmation
on
the
phone.
They'll
have
the
option
for
it.
So
currently,
the
city
of
apopka
has
just
shy
of
25
000
utility
customers
that
pay
each
month
you'll
see
the
portion
of
them.
The
bulk
portion
is
going
to
be
online.
K
amscott
also
is
one
of
the
newer
ones
they
took
on
not
too
long
ago
about
215
are
paying
average
dropbox,
which
is
the
box
out
in
front
of
the
utility
billing
office.
Of
course,
you
have
people
walking
in
close
to
3
000,
and
you
know
bank
they'll
pay
as
well
so
sample
call
volumes
from
other
local
municipalities.
K
K
Currently,
we
don't
charge
anything
for
any
type
of
payments,
whether
it's
going
to
be
you
know
over
online
or
walking
up
or
currently
for
ivr
there's
no
anticipated
charge
for
it.
However,
there
are
municipalities,
I'm
again
pulling
that
I've
spoke
to
seminole
in
orange
county
and
some
lake
municipalities
that
do
utility
service
just
trying
to
see
who
is
actually
charging
convenience
fee
for
the
use
of
the
the
ivr
or
an
online
payment
system.
K
So
there
are
several
local
municipalities
that
either
pay
a
percentage
of
the
actual
bill
or
there's
a
flat
rate.
They'll
pay
for
it.
K
So
currently
the
datatel
system
about
70
of
their
customers
actually
have
a
convenience
fee
that
they
charge
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
do
it.
That's
a
decision
as
you
as
a
council
will
make
that
that's
not
for
me,
and
I
don't
think
vladimir
is
going
to
make
that
decision
either.
But
should
you
choose
to
do
that?
It
would
be
a
convenience
fee
for
an
option
for
somebody
to
pay,
and
that
is
again
strictly
up
to
you.
The
annual
cost
is
just
shy
of
8
000,
which
covers
both
english
and
spanish
options.
K
You'll
just
need
to
know
your
account
number
and
pin
to
get
on
to
it
and
the
average.
It
should
be
about
a
24
hour
turnaround
for
your
actual
payment
to
post
with
it.
This
is
not
a
direct
api
into
our
website
or
into
our
financial
software.
It's
going
to
be
a
third
party
integrator
into
it,
so
it
will
be
a
24-hour
turnaround
before
your
payment
actually
reflects
if
you're
having
any
issues
with
it,
the
utility
billing
department
can
certainly
log
in
and
see
that
you
have
made
a
payment
for
it
security.
K
Wise
again,
I
mentioned
it's
kind
of
like
a
high
availability
portion.
It's
just
another
method
for
your
customers
to
pay
for
it.
It's
a
little
more
secure
than
actually
an
online
payment
as
well.
It's
not
as
it's
not
going
to
be
attacked
as
much,
but
that's
pretty
much
it
is
there
any
questions,
any
questions
for
rob.
E
So
when
a
customer
calls
and
they've
been
paying
and
a
customer
calls
within
the
24
hours,
when
does
that
payment
get.
K
It's
going
to
post
the
next
day,
so
the
next
business
morning
will
pose
so
they're
going
to
come
in
each
morning.
Utility
billing
will
actually
take
the
pay
file
post
it
to
the
system
and
it'll
be
available
at
that
time.
If
you
were
to
call
back
in
to
check
your
balance.
E
K
Gonna
work
stepping
outside
of
mine-
I
don't
know
their
fee
structure
for
this.
I'm
just
gonna
help
with
the
implementation
portion.
It's
vladimir,
I
can
certainly
find
out
or
if
yeah
sure,
utility
billing
is
not
actually
with
us
this
evening.
Okay,.
D
E
The
actual
the
system
take
their
payment
and
then
how
will
they?
You
know,
have
the
late
payment
and
you
know.
L
So
if
the
customer
is
late
and
they
have
a
late
fee
today
and
they
pay
and
lay
fees
posted
there,
they
will
be
able
to
see
it
if
the
late
fee
is
tomorrow
and
they
pay
today
and
the
late
fee
gets
posted
tomorrow
when
they
go
to
the
system
they're
going
to
have
the
late
fee,
because
it's
due
on
the
day
this
we
don't
control
that
that's
a
system,
late
penalty,
so
every
city
is
doing
the
same
thing.
So
if
they
are
late,
the
penalty
is
going
to
show
the
next
day.
L
Just
because
I
pay
today-
and
I
know
I'm
going
to
be
late
tomorrow-
doesn't
mean
the
late
fee
is
going
to
be
raised.
You'll
have
the
late
fee
posted
on
the
right
day,
so
this
is
just
a
feature
for
people
that
want
well
number
one
to
avoid
all
the
people
that
are
coming
to
the
office
and
to
make
it
easy
for
customers
to
pay
on
the
line.
The
structure
is
not
going
to
change.
The
late
fee
is
still
going
to
remain
there.
L
I
Well,
it's
more
just
a
statement
if
we
are
going
to
implement
this.
It's
just
something
to
to
commissioner
velasquez
point
of
there's
going
to
be
some
confusion,
most
likely
up
front.
So
it's
just
making
sure
that
citizens
are
aware
that,
even
though
I
call
on
my
due
date,
it's
going
to
be
late
and
they're
going
to
be
late
fee
because
of
that
so
making
sure
that
we
implement
that
correctly.
That
that's
fully
aware
and
maybe
give
a
couple
grace
months
so
to
speak,
of
late
fees
or
something.
K
C
A
I
A
All
right
next
up
agenda
review.
A
Changes
to
agenda
okay,
public
comment.
A
O
O
Well
speaking
in
public
is
not
my
favorite,
so
please
bear
with
me.
I
want
to
appear
before
you
one
more
time
to
share
with
you
the
impact
of
how
actions
and
sometimes
inactions
by
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
council
affect
the
citizens
of
the
community
not
only
financially,
but
personally
and
emotionally.
O
Some
of
you
know
my
story,
but
for
those
that
don't
I
want
to.
I
want
to
bear
with
me.
While
I
share
it,
sheila
I'm
a
member
of
a
community
that
called
cheer
oaks
that
didn't
have
any
flooding
issues
for
23
years
until
the
equipment.
O
At
that
time,
equipment
and
procedures
were
put
in
place
in
1995
that
prevented
any
future
flooding
until
2018.
When
our
flooding
problems
began.
The
first
flood
issues
were
were
reported
to
the
city
in
2018,
but
nothing
was
done.
2019.
My
entire
house
flooded
and
my
husband
and
I
were
forced
to
go
elsewhere.
While
the
house
was
being
rebuilt.
O
O
This
was
all
while
we
were
still
out
of
our
home.
I
did.
I
did
move
back
the
following
month,
but
our
neighborhood
continued
to
flood
throughout
2020
during
a
particularly
rainy
season,
my
neighbor's
children
who
were
ages
five
and
seven
were
so
terrified
of
flooding
that
they
cried
and
got
physically
ill.
Every
time
it
rained.
O
We
continued
to
beg
and
plead
the
city
for
a
resolution
and
we
lived
with
sandbags
around
our
homes.
Eventually
the
new
inlets
were
installed,
but
it
took
two
and
a
half
years
after
my
house
flooded
and
three
and
a
half
years
after
the
first
flooding
when
that
was
done.
That
was
entirely
too
long
for
us
to
have
to
live
with
this
problem,
especially
when
the
when
the
project
was
stopped
part
way
through.
We
talked
to
the
workers.
After
the
first
five
of
the
fourteen
inlets
were
installed.
O
O
I
also
appeared
before
the
council
because
I
needed
some
assistance
in
my
claim
for
reimbursement
for
losses
I
suffered
due
to
the
flood.
My
my
flood
insurance
covered
my
structural
damage,
but
I
was
out
because
of
I
was
seeking
reimbursement
for
losses
that
weren't
covered
by
my
flood
insurance.
O
The
day
after
I
appeared
well
actually
the
first
letter
of
janelle
I
got
from
the
city
from
the
insurance
company
came
before
I
even
filed
the
insurance
claim.
I
was
told
it
was
a
mistake,
but
I
came
anyway.
I
came
to
the
city
council
meeting
and
was
told
that
once
the
issue
was
referred
to
the
insurance
company,
it
was
out
of
the
city's
hands,
but
the
problem
with
that
is,
I
never
heard
from
the
insurance
company,
even
though
I
called
them.
O
O
People
expressed
concern,
but
nothing
I
don't
know
if
any
action
has
been
taken
to
explore
this
any
further.
After
I
received
the
letter
of
denial,
I
had
a
personal
meeting
with
mayor
nelson
edward
bass
and
the
city
attorney.
They
read.
They
reiterated
that
the
city
was
standing
by
the
insurance
company's
decision
to
deny
my
claim
and
then
accused
me
of
overcharging,
the
city
for
the
repairs
to
my
irrigation
system
that
was
damaged
during
the
installation
of
the
storm
solar
storm
sewer
inlets.
O
I've
never
received
an
apology
for
this
accusation.
I
then
contacted
state
representative
brown's
office
for
guidance
and
assistance.
Ms
green
informed
me
that
she
spoke
with
mayor
nelson
and
was
told
that
the
city
had
spent
the
money
to
fix
the
flooding
problems,
but
were
absolutely
not
going
to
reimburse
me
from
my
losses.
O
She
apologized
that
they
could
not
help
me
further
and
she
said
basically,
the
city
and
mayor's
office
were
accountable
to
no
one.
The
gist
of
the
ex
of
their
conversation
was
that
it
didn't
matter
what
evidence
I
had,
who
I
spoke
with
the
city,
didn't
have
to
listen
to
me
or
review
my
documentation.
O
O
I've
been
made
to
feel
unwelcome
and
at
times
I
felt
intimidated.
I
suppose
it
was
idealistic
to
think
I
would
be
if
I
persisted.
There
would
be
a
sense
of
fairness
and
justice
and
at
least
maybe
get
a
partial
reimbursement
for
the
monies
that
I
lost,
but
I'll
never
fully
recover.
From
this
experience,
and
I
now
see
I'm
fighting
a
losing
battle
and
I
don't
feel
like
I
want
to
stay
where
I
feel
like
I
don't
matter
so.
I've
decided
to
sell
my
house,
I'm
leaving
apopka.
O
I
wish
you
all
the
best,
but
it
doesn't
feel
like
home
anymore.
The
last
three
years
have
been
financially
physically
and
emotionally
draining.
We
moved
here
when
I
was
in
my
late
20s,
I'm
67
and
I'm
starting
over
again.
I'm
hoping
orlando
will
give
me
a
fresh
start
and
positive
memories
to
build
on.
O
I
just
felt
like
I
needed
to
come
here
and
let
you
know
that
your
decisions
and
your
actions
impact
people
and
you
need
to
listen
to
people
and
not
cut
out
the
public
comment,
because
a
lot
of
the
actions
that
took
place-
wouldn't,
I
don't
think
we
would
have
had
the
improvements
done
in
my
neighborhood.
If
I
hadn't
come
to
the
to
the
public
comments
section,
because
nothing
was
done
until
myself
and
my
neighbors
came
and
spoke
here.
Okay.
O
E
Can
I
just
say
this
to
you,
I
do
remember
when
you
came
here
and-
and
there
were
council
members
here,
that
we
we
pushed
to
get
those
inlets
put
into
your
community,
and
so
I'm
sorry
that
you
are
leaving
I've
gotten
to
know
you
over
the
past
two
years,
and
I
realized
that
there
were
a
lot
of
challenges
and
I'm
just
sorry
to
hear
that
you
are
leaving,
and
I
know
that
I
know
how
many
times
you
have
come
here
and
yeah.
E
P
Good
evening,
I'm
the
president
of.
P
A
Deal,
can
you
give
him
your
card?
Okay,.
A
P
The
other
action
item
we
have
a
a
home
that
hasn't
been
kept
up
to
date
or
been
prepared
for
in
a
long
time.
In
our
subdivision,
the
homeowners
association
has
taken
what
measures
we
can
with
our
hoa
law
firm.
P
I
know,
there's
a
foreclosure
process
going
on
with
it.
It's
a
2140,
piedmont
or
wakaiba
oaks
drive.
Excuse
me,
writer,
home.
If
anybody
knows
that.
P
P
Okay,
the
the
other
other
last
item
I
had
was:
there's
some
standing
water.
So
every
time
we
have
rain,
there's
a
there's,
a
house
susan.
Can
you
give
me
a
dress?
Please.
P
1051
piedmont,
oaks
drive
near
where
there's
the
intersection,
because
we
have
a
loop
that
goes
around
in
the
back
of
our
subdivision.
P
P
10
45
and
10
51
10
51,
piedmont,
oakland,
perfect!
That's
all
so.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
council
members.
My
name
is
roger
miller.
I
live
in
the
vistas
in
aerostate
and
my
issue.
The
reason
I
came
here
tonight
to
talk
is
my
concern
is
about
short-term
rentals
in
residential
areas
in
apopka,
when
I
say
short-term
rentals
one
day
and
up
people.
A
Q
People
commonly
refer
to
them
as
airbnb
vr,
well
vrbo,
but
everybody
clearly
understands.
I
think
this
is
something
that
seems
to
be
emerging
even
more
and
more
frequently,
and
you
know
we
live
in
a
resort
community
in
central
florida,
so
we're
on
the
fringes
of
all
that
resort
and
the
the
attractions.
But
we
have
my
neighborhood
next
door
to
me.
We
have
a
short-term
rental
home
that
just
popped
up
a
few
months
ago
and
the
things
that
are
concerning
about
that
are
all
the
traffic
in
and
out.
Q
They
paid
a
little
attention
where
they're
parking
they
might
be
parked
in
front
of
a
fire,
hydrants
or
mailboxes,
and
those
things
are
all
annoying
to
say
the
least,
and
I
will
I
want
to
add
to
my
statements.
I
have
spoken
to
james
hitt.
The
community
development
director
and
also
mr
rodriguez,
they
were
very
friendly
and
very
helpful
in
their
guidance.
They
both
spoke
to
me
personally
and
they
explained
to
me
the
constraints
that
the
city
of
apopka
is
under
by
the
statutes
of
the
state
of
florida.
A
I
know
that,
for
the
last
at
least
four
or
five
years,
the
legislature's
tried
to
tackle
that
issue
in
tallahassee
on
a
statewide
basis
and
they've,
yet
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
policy
that
that
you
know
would
be
statewide.
So
I
and
we
keep
you
know
looking
for
guidance
from
from
tallahassee
and
we've
yet
to
to
get
anything
that
that
we
can.
A
We
can
base
our
you
know
our
decisions
on
so
I
mean
we
can
take
a
look
I
I
know
there
are
some
cities,
michael.
If
you
could
maybe
take
a
look.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
got
successful,.
F
I
could,
as
I
advised
mr
miller,
the
statute
is
pretty
clear
that
the
state
has
preempted
any
local
regulation
of
what
the
statutes
call
vacation
rentals
to
the
state
and
if
we
were
to
step
in
and
create
a
new
regulation,
we're
going
to
be
subject
to
prosecution
on
the
part
of
the
state
against
the
city,
which
would
include
paying
the
state's
attorney's
fees
and
also,
I
think
the
last
preemption
statute
actually
imposes
liability
upon
elected
officials
if
they
were
to
pass
an
ordinance
that
regulates
a
field.
That's
been
preempted
to
the
state.
A
Q
To
be
aware
of
anything
that
may
come
up
in
the
future,
that
would
allow
us,
as
a
city,
to
change
that
for
the
benefit
of
the
residents.
You
know
if
I
live
in
a
small
residential
neighborhood,
where
there's
one
lane
one
street
in
and
one
street
out,
people
have
been
there
20
plus
years
over
half
of
us
and
it's
not
intended
as
a
resort
stay.
You
know
come
in
and
drop
in
for
a
day
and
leave
environment,
and
that's
it's
troubling
for
all
the
neighbors.
A
R
Rod,
olson
3156,
rolling
hills
lane.
I'm
mayor
commissioners,
thank
you
for
all
what
you
do.
It
doesn't
happen
without
you
three
comments
tonight
one
is,
I
was.
I
had
the
opportunity.
The
first
time
participate,
cops
and
bobbers,
which
took
place
may
7th
organized
by
jason,
wiggins
chief
mckinley
there
I
know
mayor.
We
saw
you
there
benson.
If
the
rest
of
you
came
later,
I
was
out
fishing,
so
I
don't
know
who
else
came,
but
it
introduced
identified
by
schools,
24
children
all,
but
a
couple
had
never
fished
before
in
their
lives.
R
We
had
actually
one
officer
from
the
apopka
police
department
never
fished
before
in
her
life.
By
the
end
of
the
day,
they
were
all
handling
worms,
handling,
shiners
handling
the
fish
they
caught.
It
was
an
incredible
experience.
We
had
wonderful
volunteers,
jason's
got
the
list
of
all
the
people
that
were
involved
with
it,
but
it
was
a
wonderful
program
I
just
wanted.
I
noticed
it
wasn't
that
one
picked
up
in
the
paper
wasn't
mentioned
here,
so
I
felt
it
was
an
obligation
to
do
so.
R
The
other
two
items
I'm
going
to
beat
you
until
it
comes
backflow
preventers.
It
needs
to
come
back
before
this
commission.
We
need
to
take
care
of
it.
I've
talked
to
so
many
neighbors
anywhere
from
250
to
950
for
a
lousy,
150
dollar
part.
We
need
to
take
control
of
this.
I
think
it'll
streamline
it
for
the
city.
They'll
know
what's
been
done,
where
it's
been
done,
they
can
send
teams
out
and
get
it
done,
and
there's
accommodations
to
be
made.
R
But
it's
time
that
this
gets
addressed,
it
should
be
handled
by
the
city
as
oppos
as
altamonte
springs
and
orange
county
has
done.
It
was
successfully,
I
think,
can
work
for
us
final
item
today
is
a
city
fix
up
cleanup
coming
down.
441
is
horrible.
We're
trying
to
bring
in
businesses
we're
trying
to
bring
in
people
we're
trying
to
bring
bring
in
restaurants,
and
you
come
down.
You've
got
trash
discarded
everywhere
tires
discarded,
dilapidated
landscapers
fences,
overgrowth
pressure
washing
needs.
When
you
come
down
there,
it's
not
a
good
presentation.
R
In
the
last
two
weeks,
I've
also
ridden
through
sanford
lake
mary,
mount
dora,
winter
garden
and
useless
even
and
they're
not
perfect
communities.
They
have
their
spots.
We
have
our
spots
that
look
good
too,
but
we
need
to
clean
up
our
act
if
we
expect
to
bring
businesses
into
our
community.
Thank
you.
S
Rogers
you're
back
at
7,
west
main
street
well,
mine
is
more
of
a
recommendation.
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
the
meeting
last
two
weeks
ago.
I
guess,
and
I
noticed
that
when
you're
there
online,
you
have
access
to
the
packet,
but
the
packet
doesn't
have
any
attachments
to
it.
So
you
have
a
presentation,
that's
going
on,
but
you
don't
know
what
the
reference.
K
F
It's
if
this,
if
there's
an
issue
with
the
software,
there's,
I
think
it's
the
pdfs
there's
a
certain
issue
where
it
we,
if
we,
if
we
put
out
the
pdfs
and
they're
not
ada
compliant,
then
there's
there's
an
issue,
so
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
items
that
we
do
present
out
are
ada
compliant.
However,
there
are
the
other
mechanisms
that
you
can
requested
the
documentation.
F
K
So
this
issue-
and
it's
been
around
an
issue
for
a
long
time-
came
up
a
few
years
back
where
the
city
had
a
tester
coming
by
looking
at
the
website,
namely
pdfs,
and
we
had
probably
just
shy
of
3000
on
our
website
and
he
requested
to
have
three
years
worth
of
council
packets,
the
full
packets
itself,
the
agendas,
water
quality
reports
which
all
those
are
items
required.
You
know
part
of
your
website,
so
we
ended
up
having
to
take
it
down,
like
all
the
other
municipalities
throughout
florida.
K
We've
since
then
started
correcting
a
lot
of
the
the
pdfs
making
actual
online
forms,
html
forms
that
are
compatible
our
current
unicode
software
we're
using
for
our
agenda.
Software
has
a
public
packet,
but
it
is
not
the
full
packet
that
gets
released
for
you
and
the
commissioners,
and
if
somebody
wants
you
know,
does
the
records
request
needs
it?
K
They
can
certainly
have
it,
but
that
packet
can
contain
sometimes
close
to
you
know
a
thousand
pages,
and
although
those
are
engineering
drawings
that
we
can
never
correct
in
the
amount
of
time,
we
would
have
to
get
this
done.
So
there
is
a
smaller
portion
or
a
smaller
packet
that
should
be
made
public
and
it's
not
going
to
have
again
the
full,
the
full
content
of
what
you
get
just,
because
there's
there's
no
way
to
get
it
compliant
and
again
you.
K
S
Well,
I
guess
my
question
was:
I
thought
up
on
the
kill
shiner,
they
were
posting
the
entire
packet.
They
were.
So
that's
just
what
I
remember.
A
And
absolutely
worked
and
it
wasn't
and
all
we
were
waiting
on
is
to
be.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
have
been
sued
around
here.
We
had
a.
We
had
had
somebody
from
like
melbourne
suing
us,
because
he
couldn't
see
our
packet
had
no
business,
no
dealings
with
apopka,
but
we
were
being
sued
by
somebody
from
melbourne,
so
we're
putting
what
we
can
put
out.
That's
that's
that's
ada,
compliant
and
anything
else
is
available.
I
I
don't
know
what
else
to
to
do.
That
would
rob
yet:
okay,
okay,
all
right.
T
Mayor
council
members,
commissioners,
mary
lovren,
519,
birch
court,
I
submitted
to
speak
to
you
about
agenda
packets
and
roger
stole
my
stole
my
thunder.
So
I
understand
the
issue
of
ada
compliance.
T
However,
that
has
not
prohibited
the
cities
from
publishing
a
full
packet,
and
I
was
actually
concerned
when
I
tried
to
prepare
my
remarks
this
evening
on
another
agenda
item
and
found
not
even
the
ordinance,
and
so
I
I
I'm
having
issues
with
what
what's
being
said
here,
because
if
the
ordinance
wasn't
even
part
of
what's
put
out
as
the
packet
is
what
I
could
access
those
are
words,
I
don't
see
how
that's
not
a
picture.
That's
not
an
engineered
drawing
those
are
words.
It
has
a
pdf
that
could
easily
be
ocr.
T
There
are
no
excuses.
We
can
do
better
when
you
have
maps
and
pictures
there's
something
called
alt
text.
You
can
ask
people
in
the
alt
text
to
contact
your
ada
coordinator.
That's
why
you
have
those
so
I'm
very
concerned
that
we
use
that
as
an
excuse
to
pull
the
curtain
and
make
people
jump
over
over
barriers
to
get
the
things
that
we
as
citizens
should
be
able
to
access
readily
online.
T
K
Miss
laverne
is
correct:
pdfs
you
can
possibly
ocr
them.
However,
the
ocr
doesn't
always
give
you
the
correct
characters.
It's
not
an
excuse.
I
wish
I
didn't
have
to
do
it.
I
can
go
to
any
website,
probably
in
central
florida
pull
down
one
of
their
documents
put
a
screen
reader
and
it's
not
going
to
be
an
accessible
document.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
dealing
with
this
a
lot
of
hours
going
through
this,
and
you
know
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
chance
that
you
want
to
take.
K
If
you
want
to
put
it
up
there
and
I'm
not
saying
not
to
do
it,
it's
just
a
chance.
You're
going
to
take.
We
use
certain
software.
We
use
common,
look
to
fix
some
of
our
pdfs
that
we
have
to
put
back
on,
but
we're
moving
away
from
pdfs,
that's
old,
so
we're
trying
to
use
all
of
online
forms
create
fillable
forms
for
it
and
using
the
actual
software
we
have
for
our
website.
K
As
far
as
munico
for
your
your
ordinances,
I
mean
there
aren't
some
that
hosted
by
munico
still
okay,
so
I
don't
look
at
the
actual
ordinances
I
mean.
I
don't
know
how
they're
laying
up
to
it,
but
you
know
anything
we
put
back
up.
I
would
love
to
just
put
right
back
out
and
turn
it
on
again
and
that's
it's.
It's
just
a
matter
of
somebody
telling
me
to
do
it,
but
you're.
K
And
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
municipalities
have
put
their
back
up,
though,
and
you
know
it's
a
screen
reader
versus
looking
at
it
or
using
adobe
to
read
it's
a
completely
different
animal.
If
a
screen
reader
doesn't
read,
it
reads
your
your
heading
level,
ones
to
subsections
pages
lines
tables
it
all
that
stuff
matters,
and
you
know
somebody
who
can't
see
my
brother's
blind.
He
was
born
blind
he's
a
screen
reader,
so
I'm
very
well
versed
in
screen
reading
and
now
it
takes
to
make
a
compliant
document
for
it.
K
A
A
A
motion
by
commissioner
smith-
second,
second
by
commissioner
nesta,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously.
Next
up,
we
have
first
business
item
bradley
once
you
come
on
up.
He
is
let
me
just
step
back
just
a
minute
here
and
tell
you
that
commissioner
bankston
just
tested
positive
for
covid,
and
he
had
a
pretty
good
conversation
with
mr
radley
williams,
who
I'm
presenting
to
you
to
be
our
next
parks
and
rec
director.
A
A
At
the
at
the
pony,
but
anyway
I
had
a
had
a
nice
conversation
with
mr
williams.
We
had
a
couple
of
our
staff
from
parks
and
rec
that
came
in
and
we
we
interviewed
him
spent
his
whole
time.
His
whole
career
has
been
at
lake,
mary
he's
the
assistant
parks
and
rec
director
and
the
the
greatest
positive
comments.
I've
heard
are
from
my
good
friend
the
mayor,
david
mealer.
A
He
and
I
served
in
the
state
legislature,
for
I
think
it
was
four
years
and
glowing
accolades
about
radley
but
understand
you
know
to
be
able
to
get
the
director
position
versus
an
assistant.
He
said
he
understands
why
he'd
want
to
come
to
apopka
and
he
gave
him
his
blessing
and
he
didn't
he
wasn't
mad
at
me.
So
I
think
with
that.
A
I
just
want
rally
to
kind
of
give
you
you
know
his
background
and
where
he's
been
and
hope
and
where
he
hopes
to
take
us
so
bradley
with
that.
Yes,.
U
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
honorable
members
of
the
council,
I'm
honored
to
be
here
tonight
with
you,
and
I
thank
you
for
this
tremendous
opportunity
to
serve
the
apopka
community
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
was
born
and
raised
just
up
the
road
in
sanford
florida,
my
twin
brother
and
I
are
the
oldest
of
six
boys.
U
An
almost
18-year
career
in
the
parks
and
rec
department
in
the
city
of
lake
mary,
starting
as
a
part-time
recreation
assistant
and
advancing
my
way
up
over
the
years
to
assistant
director.
I
want
to
recognize
some
of
my
lake
mary
co-workers,
who
are
here
with
me
tonight,
to
show
some
support.
U
My
success
is
forever
linked
to
their
support
and
effort,
and
I'm
so
grateful
that
I'll
continue
to
have
a
friendship
and
work
relationship
with
them
as
the
child
of
two
school
teachers.
I'm
a
very
aware,
I'm.
I
am
very
aware
of
how
important
accessible
parks
and
recreation
sports
programs
and
facilities
are
to
so
many
families.
U
K
E
And
we
had
a,
we
had
a
very
good
conversation,
and
you
know
we
talked
about
of
course,
the
park
you
know
northwest
park
and
sort
of
giving
him
a
background
and
kyrie
gave
him
a
little
laundry
list
of
some
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
the
families
are
looking
for.
D
E
We
improve
the
park,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
a
good
conversation
in
the
sense
of
to
just
kind
of
give
him
a
little
insight
of
some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
for
for
that
park,
especially
and
sorry,
you
know
I'm
looking
forward
to
see
him
bring
his
experience
and
his
energy
to
that
park.
B
I
met
with
him
as
well
and
had
a
very
great
conversation,
and
he
made
sure
that
he
understood
how
important
recreation
was
to
our
youth,
as
well
as
to
our
seniors
here
in
the
city
of
apopka.
And
so
he
pledged
that
he's
going
to
do
his
utmost
to
make
sure
that
we
exceed
from
where
we
already
are.
And.
I
A
D
I
We
had
a
great
conversation,
though,
and
we
talked
about
northwest
recreation.
Complex
I've
been
trying
to
hit
five
miles
there
every
single
day,
so
got
a
lot
of
little
notes
and
things
like
that
and
just
very
excited
about
your
resume
and
and
also
you
spoke
about
accreditation
that
you
took
to
lake
mary
and
also
something
that
I'm
hoping
you'll
bring
here
as
well
and
get
us
up
to
snuff
with
that.
So
that's
really
exciting.
I
A
A
D
D
A
Next
up,
we've
got
a
city
council,
we're
due
to
commissioner
becker's
leaving
the
council.
We
now
have
an
opening
on
the
lake
apopka
natural
gas
board
of
directors,
so
I'm
looking
for
somebody
to
to
fill
that
spot
and
need
somebody
to
make
a
recommendation.
A
motion
to
for
somebody
to
fill
in
that
spot.
So.
E
Well,
I
I
know
that
I
did
get
a
phone
call
from
our
edward
bass
and
I
did
serve
back
in
2
14
to
15..
I
served
for
two
years,
but
he
had
said
to
me
that
commissioner
smith
was
interested.
Is
that
correct?
I.
B
E
For
me
it
was
a
learning
opportunity
and-
and
I
just
feel
that
it
would,
by
you
know
kind
of
saying,
would
you
like
to
do
it
would
give
you
an
opportunity
to
learn
something
about
lake
apopka,
because
it
is
part
of
the
city
and
you're
more
than
welcome
to
to
do
it.
I
did
it
and
sometimes
it's
it's
nice
to
give
someone
else
an
opportunity.
So
you
owe
me.
E
For
alexander
smith,
who
did
express
to
to
to
represent
us
with
lake
apopka,.
A
F
Michael
rodriguez
city
attorney,
the
next
item
is
the
request
for
the
council
to
approve
and
authorize
signing
the
contract
for
the
purchase
of
the
real
property.
It's
known
as
champion
champ
champ
knee
portion
town
of
apopka
lot.
137
is
the
property
located
at.
I
think
it's
633
633
east
7th
street,
the
property
is
currently
owned
or
south
park
is
already
yeah
south
park
avenue.
The
the
property
is
currently
owned
by
ms
smith.
Investments
llc.
F
This
property
is
one
of
the
properties
that
the
city
is
needing
to
acquire
in
order
to
complete
the
assemblage
of
lots
to
to
prepare
the
construction
of
the
new
public
safety
facility.
So
we
are
currently
we
have
reached
an
agreement
with
the
property
owner
for
the
purchase
of
the
of
the
property.
There
is
one
lot
remaining
in
order
to
complete
the
assemblage
of
the
lots
in
order
to
complete
the
the
improvement
and
expansion
of
the
public
safety
facility.
F
So
this
is
one
of
the
lots,
so
I'm
presenting
to
you
the
contract
for
authorization
to
begin
moving
this
forward
to
closing
just
for
the
record,
the
property
is
being
purchased
for
220
000.
In
order
to
complete
this
is
part
of
the
costs
of
the
expansion
of
the
public
safety
facility.
So
what
we're
seeking
is
a
motion
to
authorize
the
city
to
execute
the
contract
and
we
begin
the
process
to
move
forward
to
to
achieve
closing,
which
I
think,
under
the
contract,
closing
is
looking
to
be
scheduled
for
may
30th.
I
D
F
I
Business
yeah
and
then
additionally
too,
I
know
it
said
that
in
the
contract
or
in
the
psa
that
we
have
timelines
to
get
a
survey,
I
would
always
suggest
to
do
that.
I
really
would
like
to
kind
of
can,
as
we
start
purchasing
properties,
to
make
sure
that
we
just
have
that
in
our
file.
I
I
think
it's
a
good
due
diligence
and
I
think
that's
going
to
push
closing
as
well
just
because
surveys
are
taking
a
while
right
now
and
then
the
only
other
concern
that
I
had
is
that
we're
doing
a
lease
back,
which
is,
I
don't,
have
a
problem
with
till
the
end
of
the
year,
but
I
think
there's
already
a
tenant
in
place
as
well.
I
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
aware
that
that's
kind
of
the
situation
that
it's
going
to
be
a
sublease
as
well,
but
we're
not
responsible
for
that
unless
they
overstay
january
1st
2023.
So
just
as
long
as
that's
all
covered
and
we
all
understand
kind
of
what
we're
getting
into
there.
F
Right
for
clarification,
the
once
we
close
at
the
closing
the
the
current
owner
is
going
to
be
given
a
lease.
The
lease
is
going
to
it's
a
fixed
lease
that
expires
on
december
31st
of
this
year.
Any
then
leases
that
the
current
owner
has
with
a
tenant
that'll
then
end
up
becoming
a
sublease
and
any
issues
between
the
sub-tenant
and
the
owner.
Who
is
going
to
become
our
tenant?
That's
between
them
and
yes,
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
lease.
F
I
M
We
can
we
can
check
with
the
with
the
property
owner
to
see
if
they
have
a
current
survey.
If
they
don't,
we,
I
can
order
a
survey
awesome.
Okay,.
I
A
K
A
D
V
Good
evening,
good
evening,
mayor
commissioners,
members
of
public,
I'm
excited
to
bring
to
you
tonight
the
contract
for
the
architectural
and
engineering
consulting
services
for
state
permanent
station
six.
That's
something!
We've
been
excited
about
for
quite
a
while.
Back
in
this
year,
2021-22
we
know
we
approve
the
budget
for
the
build
out
of
the
station.
V
We've
con
we're
able
to
reutilize
lund's
design
firm,
which
was
established
as
a
continuing
service
contract
provider
back
in
june,
first
of
2016,
with
the
building
station,
5.
we've
negotiated
with
them
and
we
brought
forth
the
proposed
contract.
You
see
before
you
with
all
the
explanations
and
our
we're
seeking
permission
to
move
forward
and
award
and
execute
that
agreement.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
answer.
Those
now.
A
Any
questions
for
the
chief
okay,
anybody
from
the
public
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Not
we
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
fire
chief
to
execute
the
continuing
architectural
and
engineering
agreement
for
fire
station
six
with
the
lunch
group.
Someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez
second
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor
all
right,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
right.
Next,
other
chief.
W
Before
I
get
to
my
presentation,
though,
I
want
to
recognize
corporal
aaron
girardi
who's
standing
over
there
in
the
corner
for
officer
wiggins
who's
on
vacation
right
now,
but
as
we
moved
into
looking
at
how
to
replace
our
body
cameras,
he
took
the
ball
and
he
ran
with
it.
Did
a
lot
of
extensive
research
on
body
cameras.
Had
some
trial
companies
come
in,
so
we
could
trowel
their
cameras
before
we
made
a
final
decision
of
what
we
felt
we
wanted
to
go
with.
W
He
also
prepared
a
presentation
for
staff
to
why
he
wanted
to
choose
or
why
the
employees
just
really
went
to
the
officer
level
to
decide
which
one
worked
best
for
them
out
in
the
field,
and
he
did
a
great
job
for
that.
So
I
want
to
recognize
him
real,
quick,
our
current
body
camera
system.
We
currently
utilize
reveals
body
camera
system
that
was
initiated
in
2015
and
up
and
upgraded
one
time
in
mid-2017.
W
No
camera
upgrade
has
been
completed
or
offered
since
2017.
cameras
were
purchased
to
enhance
accuracy
of
officer
reports.
Testimony
of
court,
as
well
as
provide
transparency
to
the
public,
reveal
camera
video
is
stored
and
backed
up
on
several
servers
hosted
by
and
maintained
by
the
city
of
apopka's
I.t
department
reveal
cameras
can
only
be
activated
manually
by
the
officer.
W
The
cameras
are
clipped
to
the
officer's
uniform
with
an
attached
gator
clip.
Unfortunately,
that's
a
significant
point
of
failure
for
us
during
any
kind
of
response
to
resistance.
The
cameras
are
falling
off.
The
clips
are
breaking
and
now
we're
having
problems
with
the
company
wanting
to
replace
those
broken
clips.
W
W
This
software
is
not
accessible
by
officers
on
the
road
and
can
only
be
utilized
at
terminals
inside
the
apopka
police
station.
This
failure,
I'm
sorry.
This
feature
and
lack
of
accessibility
adds
several
man-hours
to
access
videos
during
taskings
for
the
state
attorney's
office.
The
lack
of
accessibility
removes
an
officer
from
the
road
to
mark
videos
for
evidence.
On
average,
the
agency
has
a
30
percent
video
marking
success
rate
due
to
the
time
it
takes
them
to
go
back
into
the
office
and
mark
these
videos
for
evidence
due
to
the
lack
of
functionality
from
outdated
equipment.
W
Several
third-party
software
programs
have
been
purchased
to
ensure
videos
can
be
utilized.
We've
purchased
a
software
qtel,
spotlight,
redaction
software
and
I
record
qtel
is
a
third-party,
evidence-based
software,
which
is
stored
on
city
apopka
servers
officers,
upload
videos
that
are
evidenced
based
on
the
qtel
system
or
to
the
qtel
system.
I
apologize.
This
additional
system
requires
officers
to
access
the
dem
system,
download
the
evidentiary
videos
to
a
desktop
terminal
log
into
qtel,
upload
the
video
to
the
qtel
system
label
and
choose
retention
time
for
florida
state
statutes.
W
The
system
also
allows
our
evidence
text
to
copy
videos
to
dvds
when
videos
are
requested
by
the
state
attorney
for
case
review.
Currently
with
our
system.
Our
evidence
techs
have
to
spend
time
downloading
videos,
body
cam
videos
for
court
purposes
to
dvds,
which
we
then
ship
off
to
the
state
attorney.
I
think
everybody
knows
with
today's
technology
that
probably
shouldn't
be
happening
having
to
utilize.
The
software
adds
the
already
saved
video
to
an
additional
server.
W
So
now
we
have
redundancy
in
servers
just
because
of
this
third-party
software
that
we
have
to
operate
our
body-worn
cameras,
redaction
software,
it's
third-party
redaction
software
purchased,
because
qtel
dems
or
reveal
cameras
do
not
have
redaction
software
built
into
them.
Utilizing
the
software
allows
videos
to
be
redacted
in
accordance
with
florida.
W
State
statute
119
prior
to
public
release
spotlight
on
our
current
desktop
machine
requires
approximately
4
to
10
minutes
of
redaction
time
per
one
minute
of
original
video
on
average,
it's
estimated
that
for
every
one
hour
of
body,
cam
video
it
takes
eight
hours
to
redact.
Unfortunately,
corporal
gerardi
is
the
one
that
has
to
do
that.
We
are
training
other
people
with
once
we
move
to
a
new
system.
We
have
more
people
that
can
do
that.
Also.
W
This
is
partly
due
to
it
being
a
third
party
software
that
we
try
to
make
work
with.
Qtel's
videos
spotlight
can
only
be
utilized
on
one
desktop.
It's
not
a
web-based
application.
Therefore
he
has
to
come.
Everybody
has
to
come
into
the
office
to
do
any
redaction
when
the
machine
or
software
goes
down.
Video
redactions
are
not
able
to
be
completed
in
a
timely
manner
until
the
machine
is
repaired.
In
the
last
two
years,
approximately
10
it
help
tickets
were
created
due
to
the
machine
or
software
issues.
W
Our
interview,
rooms
and
booking
area
are
capable
of
recording
to
it
run
servers.
Also,
these
four
cameras
are
run
on
a
third-party
software
system
called
I
record.
This
system
is
only
accessible
and
viewable
on
one
desktop
terminal
located
in
the
apopka
police
department.
Again,
it
is
not
web-based
as
with
other
systems
when
this
terminal
or
software
goes
down.
The
agency
is
not
able
to
record
interviews
using
this
system
or
access.
Any
previous
videos
recorded
officers
have
to
resort
to
recording
the
interview
in
the
interview
rooms
with
their
body.
W
Cameras,
investigators
or
officers
can
only
view
the
interview
recordings
on
the
one
desktop
terminal
located
by
the
interview
rooms,
I.t,
maintained
servers.
A
team
maintains
several
servers
for
our
digital
storage
needs.
These
servers
are
have
continually
needed
to
be
upgraded
and
expanded.
Due
to
the
increased
storage
demand,
as
the
agency
has
grown
over
the
next
two
years,
physical
servers
are
expected
to
increase
in
cost
by
27
to
35
percent.
This
increased
cost
will
increase
the
city's
budget
as
body-worn
camera
footage
becomes
longer
and
requires
more
videos
to
be
maintained
for
core
purposes.
W
W
After
our
review
of
body,
worn
cameras,
we
had,
I
think
it
was
three
or
four
companies
come
in.
They
provided
us
with
their
cameras.
The
officers
were
outfitted
with
their
cameras.
I.T
department
worked
with
us
very
closely.
They
recommended
that
we
go
with
the
axon
camera
system,
also
it
integrated
with
all
of
our
systems,
our
firewalls
and
everything
else.
Without
any
issues,
we
had
issues
with
integration
with
some
of
the
other
companies,
the
cameras
weren't
prolific.
W
They
didn't
have
some
of
the
features
that
axon
currently
has
and
as
I
move
through
the
thing
you'll
see
that
axon
is
probably
the
most
used
body
camera
across
the
united
states.
The
initial
trial
included
axon's
cloud-based
storage
system
evidence.com,
which
is
web-based
axon
body.
Three
cameras,
axon
taser,
7
body,
worn
camera
automatic
activation
node
as
a
trigger
axon
fire
arm
body,
worn
automatic
activation,
also
known
as
known
as
a
trigger
there
and
I'll
go
into
those
a
little
bit
more
in
the
presentation.
W
Evidence.Com
is
axon
secured
an
encrypted
cloud-based
system
used
for
digital
media
storage.
This
storage
is
sieges
compliant
in
accordance
with
our
high
accreditation
standards.
Evidence.Com
is
used
by
several
federal
agencies
to
include
the
fbi
and
numerous
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
country.
This
high
level
of
usage
ensures
axon
updates
their
security
and
encryption
several
times
a
month.
The
apopka
police
department's
evidence.com
profile
can
only
will
only
be
able
to
be
accessed
by
apopka
police
department
personnel
with
user
access.
W
W
Apopka,
evidence.com,
administrator,
controlled
user
profiles
can
grant
access
to
the
state
attorney's
office
and
surrounding
agencies
using
axon's
siege
of
secure
network.
So
we
no
longer
have
to
make
the
dvds.
We
just
give
a
link
to
the
state
attorney,
that's
working
that
case
and
they
can
access
the
body-worn
cameras
and
the
system's
still
secure.
W
This
access
allows
apopka
police
officers,
evidence
texts
to
share
tasking
evidence,
videos
with
specified
entities,
profiles
eliminating
a
need
to
copy
the
videos
to
dvds
case.
Specific
videos
can
be
shared
with
only
specific
users.
Keeping
the
rest
of
the
agency.
Video
secure
evidence.com
also
has
the
ability
to
allow
citizens
that
are
witnesses
to
a
reported
crime
to
upload
video
to
the
case
from
the
scene.
The
link
can
be
created
by
the
officer's
laptop
while
he
is
on
the
scene.
He
or
she
is
on
the
scene.
W
This
feature
is
not
currently
available
with
reveal
it
kept
officers
on
the
streets
patrolling
and
being
visible
instead
of
being
at
a
dedicated
terminal
inside
the
police
department.
During
the
test
program,
officers
were
able
to
mark
videos
for
evidence
purpose
in
accordance
with
policy,
utilizing
their
assigned
laptops
instead
of
responding
back
to
the
agency.
This
feature
not
currently
available
with
reveal
kept
officers
on
the
streets.
W
During
the
trial
phase,
there
was
a
56
percent
increase
in
video
marking
and
retention.
Again,
that's
due
to
the
fact
that
they
don't
have
to
go
into
the
office.
They
can
just
mark
the
videos
as
evidence
right
on
their
laptops.
There's
another
feature
within
evidence.com
that'll
go
into
a
few
minutes.
That'll
increase
that
even
more.
W
This
is
an
important
statistic
that
it
is
very
important
because,
as
cases
get
older,
videos
that
are
not
marked
are
are
purged
from
our
system
with
covet
the
current
course
court
systems
are
behind
on
prosecuting
cases,
which
is
just
excuse
me.
I
apologize,
which
is
delaying
taskings
for
body,
worn
camera
videos,
if
not
properly
and
timely,
marked
a
video
will
be
purged
making
potential
evidence
or
interviews
inaccessible
when
polled
at
the
end
of
the
trial
period.
W
Officers
attributed
the
increase
in
marking
and
retention
to
ease
of
access
from
their
issued
laptops
instead
of
having
to
use
the
single
computer
terminal
in
apd
at
the
officer
level,
the
reviews
for
the
evidence.com
software's
ease
of
use
was
all
positive.
Officers
were
excited
to
log
into
the
evidence
system
to
review
and
mark
videos,
unlike
dems,
evidence.com,
never
crashed
or
needed
to
be
reloaded
during
officer
usage,
increasing
ease
of
use
to
aid
further
in
officer
ease
of
access
and
accountability.
Axon
offers
an
auto
tagging
feature.
W
This
feature
takes
information
from
our
my
cad,
which
is
our
computer-aided
dispatch
system
and
imports
case
numbers
and
retention
periods
automatically,
so
that
should
increase
our
tagging
of
evidence.
Also,
our
evidence,
videos
with
this
feature,
marking
and
retention
period
accuracy,
will
increase
from
the
86
mark
established
during
the
trial
period.
W
Axonsevidence.Com
has
redaction
software
built
into
the
system.
This
redaction
software
incorporates
an
algorithm
and
artificial
intelligence
to
assist
in
identifying
faces,
laptop
screens
with
sensitive
information
and
license
plates
within
videos.
An
assigned
redaction
officer
can
then
work
through
the
video
to
fine-tune
any
missed
items
per
rules
established
in
florida
state
statutes.
W
So
if
you
look
at
their
redaction
software,
if
there's
a
license
plate
a
face
that
needs
any
face
or
computer
screens
or
something
simulates
a
computer
screen,
it
highlights
it
and
all
they
got
to
do
is
identify
that
and
it's
already
marked
so
we
don't
have
to
we
have
to.
When
we
redact
software
these
videos,
we
have
to
go
frame
by
frame
by
frame,
to
make
sure
that
we're
is
taking
out
everything.
W
That's
required
under
florida
state
statutes
during
the
trial
period,
video
redaction
times
per
minute
of
raw
video
decreased
from
three
to
ten
minutes
to
one
to
five
minutes.
This
decrease
increased
the
efficiency
in
response
to
public
records
requests.
It
also
saved
man
hours
decreasing,
labor
required
to
complete
a
public
records
request.
Exxon
also
officer
offers
secured
outsourced
redactions
if
apopka
redaction
specialists
become
inundated
at
any
time.
W
W
If
we
can't
locate
the
officer,
the
gps
function
will
tell
us
where
the
officer
is
as
long
as
the
camera's
turned
on
through
the
cell
phone
through
the
cell
card
feature,
they
have
a
large
on
and
off
button
for
easy
and
accurate
activation.
During
the
trial
period,
officers
were
experiencing
upwards
to
18
hours
of
battery
life.
Our
current
q
tail
body
camera
batteries
last
approximately
10
hours.
W
The
axon
body
cameras
have
the
ability
for
officers
to
download
and
charge
their
cameras
at
home
through
an
encrypted
network
if
they
choose
to
so.
With
this
we're
purchasing
docking
stations
that
they
can
put
in
their
house.
Their
camera
will
always
be
with
them
coming
to
work
going
home.
It
charges
at
their
house,
it
downloads
the
videos
from
their
house
on
an
encrypted
network
provided
through
evidence.com,
and
they
will
always
have
a
charged
and
body
camera
video
with
them.
W
Several
mounting
options
are
available
to
attach
the
camera
to
the
officer's
uniform.
They
offer
three
or
four
different
options:
not
a
single
one
of
them
failed
during
our
trial
period.
They
all
were
very
secure.
They
attached
to
our
outer
vest
carriers,
mostly
officers
are
wearing
now.
They
also
attach
to
the
uniform
shirt
if
they
choose
to
wear
their
vest
internally.
W
Features
continued
clear
framework
playback
reduces
motion
blur
during
recording,
which
results
in
clearer
evidence.
Playback
with
a
near
photographic
level
of
detail,
alerts,
live
maps
and
streaming,
as
I
mentioned.
Axon
respond
allows
permissioned
staff
to
view
officer
location
when
recording
and
activate
live
streams,
while
on
scene
or
during
critical
incidents.
Live
stream
will
allow
officers
on
scene
of
a
critical
incident
to
use
the
body
camera
as
a
video
system
to
the
command
post,
allowing
staff
and
other
units
such
as
swat
to
observe
the
scene
live
in
real
time.
W
So
we're
purchasing
pressure
switches
that'll
go
on
the
bottom
of
our
holsters.
If
a
firearm
is
drawn,
the
body
camera
of
that
officer
will
come
on
if
it's
not
on
any
officer
through
a
bluetooth
signal,
their
body,
camera
will
come
on.
The
neat
thing
about
this
is
you'll,
see
in
a
few
minutes
that
almost
all
orange
agencies
in
orange
county
have
axon
as
their
body
worn
camera
choice.
W
Their
cameras
will
come
on
too,
if
they're
working
a
scene
with
us,
so
any
officer
with
an
axon
body
camera
within
30
to
50
feet
of
an
officer
who
draws
his
weapon
and
his
taser
will
have
the
same
capability
when
the
taser
is
turned
on.
It
will
activate
any
body
camera
within
30
to
50
feet
of
that
taser
automatically.
If
it's
not
already
on.
W
The
taser
7
has
been
upgraded
from
our
current
taser
x26,
with
the
following
features
to
redesign
darts
with
smart
probes
to
improve
accuracy,
increase
target
retention
and
improve
attainment.
High
visibility,
green
top
laser
to
enable
better
daytime
targeting
louder
warning
arc
to
serve
as
an
additional
deterrent
prior
to
having
to
use
utilize.
The
taser
wireless
connection
to
the
body
3
camera
to
activate
the
camera,
with
the
switch
that
I
just
mentioned.
W
Rechargeable
batteries
that
act
as
a
usb
and
download
the
tasers
data
logs
to
evidence.com
all
the
software
for
the
taser
is
contained
in
the
battery
pack.
The
battery
packs
are
rechargeable,
they
go
into
a
charging
system
and
everything's
downloaded
and
it
will
be
stored
in
evidence.com
also,
so
any
log
that
is
made
by
that
taser
will
be
downloaded
into
evidence.com.
W
When
they
are
docked,
they
receive
the
latest
firmware
updates.
Ensuring
tasers
are
running
the
most
up-to-date
software.
Our
interview
room
camera
upgrade
our
interview,
rooms
and
officer.
Work
area
will
be
upgraded
with
new
cameras
with
audio
recording
capabilities.
New
cameras
will
download
to
evidence.com
and
they'll
be
accessible
through
a
web-based
platform
of
evidence.com,
where
they
can
be
reached
from
their
laptops
or
any
other
computer
in
the
agency.
W
W
W
Redaction
software
holster
signal
kits
to
activate
body
camera
when
removed
from
the
holster
unlimited
cloud
storage
technology
asserts
plan,
combines
warranty
coverage
on
body
cameras
with
an
automatic
refresh
of
the
units
every
two
and
a
half
years
so
year,
one
when
we
sign
the
contract,
we're
getting
new
body
cameras
two
and
a
half
years
later,
we're
getting
the
most
up-to-date
body
camera
that
axon
has
at
year.
Five
in
the
contract,
we
get
new
body
cameras
again
same
with
the
tasers.
W
We
get
the
new
taser
right
now,
taser,
seven
two
and
a
half
years
if
they
have
taser
eight
we're
getting
taser
eight
and
then
year,
five
we'll
get
a
refresh
on
those.
Also
current
bodywork
camera
videos
transfer
to
evidence.com
all
of
our
current
qtel
bodyboard
camera
videos
will
be
transferred
to
evidence.com
for
easy
access
by
officers
in
the
future.
This
will
free
up
the
servers
they
are
currently
being
stored
on
within
it.
W
So
they're
going
to
transfer
all
of
our
current
body-worn
camera
on
our
servers,
current
servers
into
evidence.com
and
will
be
managed
in
that
platform.
From
this
point
forward,
new
tasers,
with
the
new
features
previously
discussed,
unlimited
duty
cartridges
for
all
five
years
of
the
contract
when
used
in
the
field.
So
if
we
discharge
a
taser
cartridge
in
the
field
they're
going
to
replace
that
under
the
contract,
we
do
not
get
charged
for
them
an
average
of
six
training
cartridges
per
officer
per
year.
W
We
have
to
require
to
train
on
the
tasers
every
year,
new
holsters,
three
hook
and
loop
training
suits.
What
those
are
going
to
do
is
right.
Now
we
shoot
at
a
stationary
piece
of
cardboard.
Those
are
actually
suits
that
officers
can
wear.
Most
of
our
misses
are
due
to
moving
targets,
and
one
of
the
probes
are.
One
of
the
prongs
does
not
hit
the
intended
target.
It
misses
and
therefore
we
don't
have
connectivity.
W
This
will
allow
us
to
practice
in
real
time
scenarios.
Five
master
instructor
vouchers,
five
instructor
school
vouchers,
unlimited
cloud
storage,
the
interim
review
room
cameras
and
the
officer
work
area
will
have
eight
overt
dome
cameras,
microphones
for
recording
and
unlimited
cloud
storage.
W
What's
the
cost
you
saw
it
in
your
package.
Axon
operates
in
a
five-year
contract
with
their
body
cameras
just
like
the
current
five-year
contract
for
tasers
current
body.
Camera
contract
expired
in
march
of
this
year.
Our
taser
contract
expires
in
june
of
2022..
This
is
the
perfect
time
to
switch
over.
The
new
contract
will
bring
our
body
cameras,
tasers
interview
rooms
and
booking
area
cameras
under
one
platform
that
will
store
the
data
in
a
single,
secure,
safe
and
easily
accessed
cloud
storage
application.
W
The
five-year
contract
cost
is
1.37
million
dollars
a
little
bit
over
that
or
274
thousand
dollars
annually
packaging.
These
products
together
provides
a
discount
of
approximately
four
hundred
ninety
four
thousand
dollars
over
the
five-year
period.
If
we
were
to
purchase
each
one
of
those
items
separately
like
we
currently
do,
puts
all
products
on
one
platform
with
the
latest
technology
and
will
make
our
processes
related
to
video
recordings.
More
efficient
additional
products
can
be
purchased
for
the
contracted
prices,
as
the
agency
grows
over
the
terms
of
the
contract.
W
We
will
get
the
contracted
prices
that
we
have
right
now,
so
if
they
raise
their
prices,
we
get
the
contract
prices
and
not
only
do
we
get
the
contract
prices
but
they'll
be
prorated
for
whatever
the
terms
remaining
terms
of
the
contract
are
so
the
requested
actions
for
tonight
is
authorized
the
mayor
to
sign
the
source,
well,
axon
piggyback
contract
and
in
a
few
minutes
you'll
have
the
budget
amendment
request
the
resolution
2022-25
to
fund
the
first
year.
The
contract
subsequent
years
will
be
budgeted
by
the
apopka
police
department
questions.
E
Well,
you
know,
I
know
when
we
we
spoke
and
and
just
raising
the
level
of
service
not
just
to
the
community,
but
certainly
for
the
safety
of
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
the
efficiency
in
the
entire
process,
with
the
axon
and
evidence.com
is
just
this
transparency,
there's
accessibility
and
there's
accountability.
What
and
that's
what
we
want
from
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
from
the
police
department.
So
I
I
realize
the
initial
investment
is
cost
is
there,
but
over
a
period
of
time
it's
something
that
we
will.
E
E
W
And
axon
for
years
has
been
the
leader
in
the
body-worn
camry
industry
and
I
suspect
they
will
continue
to
do
that.
They
invest
a
lot
in
there
if
you
want
to
combine
anything
with
the
taser
they're,
the
only
one
that
offers
a
taser
for
law
enforcement
use,
so
we
would
have
to
go
into
the
taser
contract
if
we
didn't
want
to
use
their
con
their
cameras
and
then
again,
we'd
be
on
two
different
platforms.
So.
B
We
all
know
that
technology
is
constantly
changing
and
we're
already
behind
eight
ball,
and
so
seeing
that
in
this
contract
that
they're
going
to
keep
us
up
to
date-
and
we
won't
be
as
far
behind
as
we
are
currently
and
we're
providing
officers
with
the
best
equipment
possible
in
order
to
keep
them
safe
and
to
preside.
Provide
transparency.
C
B
So
I
support
the
the
purchase,
mr
nestor,
not.
I
Much
morgan
say
echo
both
commissioners.
I
think
this
is
long
overdue.
I'm
glad
it's
here.
Technology
is
expensive,
but
it
also
can
save
lives
both
on
the
leo's
side
and
also
on
our
citizens
side.
So
fully
supportive
of
this
love
it.
Let's
keep
bringing
technology
to
the
to
our
field.
M
A
All
right
does
anybody
from
the
public
wishes
speak
on
this
matter?
Not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
execution
of
a
piggyback
contract
for
the
assigned
term,
with
axem
enterprise
inc
for
the
purchase
of
new
body
cameras,
tasers
and
interview
room
cameras,
so
got.
D
D
I
Mr
mayor
is
actually
going
to
wonder:
can
we
move
because
it's
a
first
reading
or
pull
over
from
last
meeting?
Can
we
just
get
jump
to
ordinance
29
31
knock
that
one
out
and
then
we
can
get
back
to
second
readings.
Well,.
L
Vladimir
ortega,
finance
director
city
of
apopka
resolution
number
20,
22-25
chief
mckinley
made
my
job
much
easier
today.
This
is
city
council
agenda
item
reference
in
today's
meeting,
explained
by
chief
mckinley
for
the
body,
worn
cameras,
tasers
and
interview
room
cameras
and
unlimited
cloud
storage
and
supporting
software
solution
for
five
years,
and
this
is
just
the
cost
for
the
first
year,
which
is
274
thousand
177,
and
the
request
is
to
approve
the
recommended
motion
resolution
2022-25.
A
Any
questions
for
vladimir
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
resolution.
2022-12
someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez.
Second,
second
by
commission,
commissioner
nesta
all
those
in
favor
all
right.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
now
which,
which
one
were
you
29.
J
F
B
N
A
F
F
Me
the
item
back
before
you
today
tonight
is
ordinance
29
31,
at
the
request
of
commissioner
bankston.
At
the
last
meeting,
the
staff
of
your
staff
report
for
this
meeting
has
a
table
which
clearly
enumerates
the
provisions
that
are
in
the
existing
resolution
2016-16
and
their
equivalent
in
ordinance
29
31..
F
F
I
will
go
through
the
table
and
outline
the
existing
provision
in
20
in
2016-16
and
it's
carrying
over
to
2931
when
there
are.
If
there
are
changes
reflected.
Your
staff
report
did
reflect
in
italics
in
the
table
that
there
are
changes.
What
substantive
changes
are
made
between
2016-16
or
I'll
just
call
it
resolution
16
or
16-16
and
ordinance
29
31.,
section
1
of
the
resolution
provided
for
announcements
to
are
to
be
made
at
the
meeting.
F
F
those
provisions
that
are
in
conflict
between
1616
and
the
ordinance.
The
ordinance
will
supersede
them
resolution
16
16
has
certain
policy
and
actual
practical
applications
that
will
remain
so
section.
One
which
is
the
announcement,
is
a
the
guidance
for
there
to
be
the
announcement
in
regards
to
the
rules
of
decorum.
F
This
is
not
being
carried
over
in
the
ordinance.
It's
not
going
to
be
part
of
the
code.
I
want
to
clarify,
because
I
know
last
time
I
used
the
term
that
we're
codifying
some
of
the
terms
that
are
in
the
resolution.
F
What
that
means
is
that
many
of
the
substantive
provisions
in
resolution
16
16,
are
going
to
be
now
in
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
apopka.
That
is
what
codification
means.
They
will
actually
be
part
of
the
city
code
easily
referenced
by
code,
section
number
by
code
chapter
and
you
can
pull
them
up
now
on
unicode
at
home.
F
That
is
what
the
codification
of
the
language
in
resolution
1616
means,
so
ordinance
2931
does
not
specifically
enumerate
the
announcement
as
part
of
it.
However,
many
of
the
items
that
are
in
section
1
of
the
resolution
carry
over
to
the
code,
namely
as
reflected
in
section
224
b,
224c
224
f2c
and
224
f2d.
F
These
are
current
in
the
current
resolution
and
they
will
now
be
in
the
current
code,
namely
language
regarding
only
those
individuals
recognized
by
the
mayor.
The
applicable
presiding
officer
are
authorized
to
speak
to
the
council
or
the
city
board,
to
clarify
and
to
correct
what
is
what
has
been
seen
as
misconceptions.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
That's
that's
the
language
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
come
here
and
you're
shut
off.
I
mean
I
want
to
clarify
these
things,
because
I
think
things
are
snowballing
and
and
being
blown
out
of
proportion
as
to
what
exactly
that
actually
is.
There
are
no
substantive
changes.
Much
of
this
language
is
being
carried
over
from
the
resolution
to
the
ordinance
so
and
the
other
portion
any
person's
attending
any
city
meeting
shall
render
inaudible
any
cellular
phones
other
mechanical
electronic
devices.
When
the
meeting
is
in
session.
That's
in
the
resolution,
that's
just
simple
courtesy
turn
up.
F
I
mean
we're
now
in
2022,
so
you
don't
have
to
say
please
turn
off
your
beepers,
but
turning
off
your
cell
phone
so
in
in
order
to
not
disrupt
a
meeting
with
a
loud
ring
tone.
I
mean
these
are
portions
of
our
common
courtesy
and
again,
when
called
to
speak
comments
shall
be
made
from
the
podium
or
other
reasonable
accommodation
by
the
mayor.
Speaker
shall
identify
themselves
by
the
and
state
their
address.
If
the
speaker
is
representing
a
group,
the
group
organization
should
also
be
identified.
F
F
Further
all
comments
shall
be
directed
to
the
city
council
as
a
whole.
Comments
shall
not
be
addressed
to
a
single
member
of
the
city
council
or
to
city
staff
members.
That's
in
the
res,
that's
currently
in
the
resolution,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
because,
as
the
council,
the
council
is
the
governing
body
of
the
city
and
the
council
can
only
act
on
behalf
of
the
city
as
a
collegiate
body.
F
Voting
on
the
matter,
an
individual
council
member
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
act
individually
on
behalf
of
the
city
or
direct
such
a
matter
on
behalf
of
the
city.
This
is
a
collegiate
body
and
the
actions
must
be
taken
in
in
their
in
their
entirety
on
the
part
of
this
board
and
therefore,
certain
comments
and
certain
actions
are
to
be
taken
to
directed
address
the
entire
body.
It
is
the
body
that
represents
the
city
and
acts
as
the
city
go
forward
to
section
two
of
the
resolution,
which
is
the
public
request
to
address
the
council.
F
F
F
The
amount
of
time
for
prior
submittal
of
documentation
is
now
24
hours
instead
of
48
hours,
there's
a
practical
aspect
to
certain
video
being
submitted
prior
to
it
being
presented
here,
namely
for
those
folks
watching
at
home.
If
you
come
in
with
a
video
card
right
before
you're
about
to
speak,
that
video
cannot
be
properly
transmitted
via
the
streaming
service,
they
may
be
able
to
see
it,
but
not
hear
it.
It
may
be
able
to
hear
it,
but
not
see
it,
and
then
that
creates
a
disservice
to
somebody
watching
via
streaming
with
prior
submittal.
F
It
can
be
incorporated
into
the
presentation,
and
now
that
is
given
the
public
who
is
watching
via
streaming
the
opportunity
to
participate
practically.
Also.
The
added
time
is
for
folks
who
want
to
hand
out
certain
materials
actual
hard
copies.
The
24-hour
prior
notice
enables
the
clerk
to
make
the
requisite
number
of
copies,
to
distribute
them
to
have
them
in
the
packet
and
to
get
them
to
the
commissioners
at
least
24
hours
prior
to
the
meeting,
so
that
you're
not
forced
to
read.
F
It
already
is
in
the
resolution
it's
now
being
put
into
the
city
code.
Section
4
of
the
resolution
addresses
the
public
comment
period,
section
4.
The
resolution
is
split
into
two
subsections:
public
participation
on
issues
not
before
the
agenda
and
public
participation
on
issues
that
are
on
the
agenda.
F
F
The
rules
to
speak
remain
the
same
from
the
resolution
to
the
ordinance
there's,
no
substantive
change.
Aside
from
please
submit
any
materials
you're
going
to
use
as
part
of
your
public
comment,
24
hours
prior,
so
that
it
could
be
placed
on
our
system.
One
checked
for
viruses
just
in
case,
but
but
most
importantly,
so
that
it
can
be
properly
displayed
and
played
via
our
streaming
service
to
to
continue
a
service
to
the
public
who's,
not
here
and
not
shortchange
them.
F
Again
and
the
same
will
apply
to
public
comment
as
to
an
item
on
the
agenda.
What
should
be
curtailed
is
folks
who
come
and
want
to
speak
at
the
public
comment
period
on
an
item.
That's
on
the
agenda,
if
you're
here
to
speak
on
an
issue
that
is
on
the
agenda,
your
turn
to
speak
is
at
the
time
that
item
is
to
be
considered
not
at
the
public
comment
period
when
we're
discussing
items
of
general
concern
that
are
not
already
previously
set
on
the
agenda
to
be
discussed.
F
That
is
it
there's
no
guessing
game.
There's!
No!
You
either
it's!
If
it's
on
the
agenda,
you
speak
during
that
items
portion
of
the
of
the
council
meeting.
If
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
you
speak
at
public
comment,
going
to
number
section
five,
which
is
the
manner
of
addressing
the
city
council
substantively.
F
This
is
not
changing
under
ordinance.
29
31.
it'll
remain
the
same
section
6,
which
is
standards
for
decorum
the
city
council
to
be
addressed
as
a
whole.
That
section
of
the
resolution
is
carried
over
into
the
code
into
ordinance
2931.
There
are
no
substantive
changes,
section,
6,
subsection,
b,
personal
attacks
and
insults.
This
is
in
the
resolution.
This
is
not
in
the
ordinance.
F
What
is
being
regulating
regulated
is
somebody's
conduct
and
mirroring
and
echoing
the
language
currently
embodied
in
florida
statutes,
which
is
willful
interference
or
interruption
of
a
public
board
meeting
that
goes
to
conduct
so
and
also
the
unilateral
discretion.
The
mayor
is
being
removed
consistent
with
other
jurisdictions
in
the
event
that
there
is
what
can
be
deemed
and
considered
willful
interruption
or
willful
interference
with
this
body.
F
Acting
if
the
presiding
officer
does
not
act
any
other
council
member
is
now
empowered
and
authorized
to
bring
forth
a
motion
to
call
for
the
presiding
officer
to
regulate
the
conduct
and
the
ordinance
spells
out.
The
person
who
is
willfully
interrupting
is
being
at
will
be
asked
to.
Please
cease
the
conduct
if
they
refuse
to
do
so,
they
will
be
directed
to
leave
if
they
further
refuse
to
do
so.
F
Now,
they've
carried
forward
their
conduct
forward
to
the
level
that
constitutes
a
violation
of
the
state
statute
in
which
there
is
a
willful
interference
with
the
government's
business,
which
will
then
warrant
removal
and
potential
prosecution.
That
is
a
call
for
the
state
attorney's
office
to
make,
but
there
is
no
provision
in
the
ordinance
whatsoever
in
which
the
mayor
can
order
a
member
of
the
public
to
be
arrested
that
doesn't
exist.
F
F
F
F
F
F
What
you
do
not
get
is
you
do
not
get
four
minutes
to
speak
on
an
item
in
the
public
comment.
Your
speaker,
a
speaker,
c,
comes
up
and
says
something,
and
now
you
want
to
come
up
after
speaker
c
during
public
comment
and
say
well,
I
want
another
four
minutes
to
answer
this.
Guy
public
comment
is
not
q.
A
public
comment
is
provide
your
comment.
F
You
have
four
minutes
and,
and
that
is
the
time
that
you're
provided
city
councils
at
their
meetings
meetings
are
deemed
limited
public
forums
under
constitutional
law,
meaning
the
city
may
regulate
speech
based
on
time,
reasonable
time
and
time
matter
restrictions.
It
is
not
unfettered,
it
is
not
unlimited.
There
are.
You
may
place
reasonable
limits,
because
this
is
a
limited
public
forum
and
what
the
ordinance
with
the
resolution
and
the
ordinance
itself
carries,
is
that
the
reasonable
limits
are
four
minutes
to
speak
on
an
item
on
any
item.
F
You
can
speak
on
multiple
items
and
you'll
get
four
minutes
on
each
separate
item.
If
you
speak
two
minutes
on
item
a
that
doesn't
mean
you've
got
only
two
minutes
to
speak
on
item
b,
you
get
your
four
minutes
on
item
a
you
get
your
four
minutes
on
item
b.
If
you're
someone
who
likes
to
comment
on
every
on
every
item
on
the
agenda
go
have
at
it,
you've
got
your
four
minutes,
nobody's
being
restricted.
There's
no
limits!
There's
no
time
limits,
not
you
don't
get
one
bite
at
the
apple.
F
Section
eight,
which
are
the
exemptions
this
carries
over
under
ordinance,
29
31..
These
are
standard
exceptions
that
carry
over.
These
are
also
standard
exceptions
that
are
understood
throughout
multiple
jurisdictions
throughout
the
state.
These
exceptions
are
that
the
public
comment
is
not
provided
for
items
that
are
deemed
ministerial,
meaning.
There
is
no
public
comment
for
approval
of
the
minutes.
F
There
is
no
public
comment
for
the
the
period
of
time
when
the
commissioners
have
their
moment
to
have
their
comment
and
their
reports.
City
administrator,
has
their
report
and
the
the
city
attorney
has
a
report,
namely
those
the
reason
why
there's
no
comments
there
is
because,
during
your
own
public
comment
period
during
your
own
comment
period,
there's
no
business
being
done
by
the
city.
There's
no
action
to
be
done.
F
That's
why
many
times
I
have
counseled
this
council
not
to
have
a
motion
not
have
the
action
during
your
comment
period,
because
that
is
your
comment
period
there
is.
There
is
at
that
point.
Really.
No
official
action
being
taken
by
the
council
same
applies
for
the
city,
attorney's
report
and
city
administrators
report,
other
exceptions.
F
There's
no
public
comment
on
items
that
are
being
brought
forward
on
an
emergency
basis,
while
the
city,
I
think
in
the
past
at
least
while
I've
been
here,
we
haven't
had
a
case
like
this,
but
theoretically
or
hypothetically.
F
If
the
city
decides
to
act
on
an
emergency
on
an
order,
an
emergency
order
to
establish
a
state
of
emergency
for
storm
for
these
are
these
are
exiting
circumstances,
the
statute
permits
and
there's
no
public
comment
during
those
actions
when
acting
on
an
emergency
basis.
F
Another
area
where
there's
no
public
comment
is
if
the
city
attorney
calls
for
an
executive
session,
which
is
a
meeting
outside
of
the
sunshine
subject
to
chapter
286
florida
statutes.
These
are
meetings
to
discuss
litigation
strategies
to
discuss
matters
relating
to
collective
bargaining,
mainly
it's
a
lot
of
it
is
litigation
and
negotiation
strategies
in
which
the
state
has
carved
out
an
exception
for
a
meeting
to
be
held
outside
of
the
sunshine.
There
are
limited
exceptions.
F
These
types
of
executive
sessions
are
not
open
to
the
public.
The
public
cannot
sit
in
on
them
and
the
com.
This
public
does
not
have
the
ability
to
comment
during
executive
session.
Legally,
during
executive
sessions,
the
board
the
council
meets
with
their
attorney
with
the
management
and
there's
a
court.
Reporter
present,
the
entire
meeting
is
transcribed
and
when
the
subject
matter
of
the
litigation
that's
being
discussed
at
that
executive
session
is
finished
either
a
settlement
is
reached.
A
judgment
is
reached
that
verbatim
transcript
by
a
certified
court.
F
Reporter
is
made
public
and
becomes
a
public
record
in
which
the
public
can
then
examine
the
contents
of
that
executive
session.
That
is
an
express
statutory
exemption
to
the
sunshine
law
and
there's
no
public
comment
for
those
and
then
the
other
one
is
that
public
comment
can
be
restricted
if
this
board
is
meeting
on
a
expressly
quasi-judicial
basis,
and
this
this
is
an
issue
that
is
currently
being
actually
currently
being
debated
by
many
of
the
legal
departments
of
multiple
jurisdictions
throughout
the
state
of
florida.
F
We've
just
presently
in
the
last
two
weeks
have
had
a
most
city,
attorneys
and
county
attorneys
have
a
listserv.
We
communicate
via
email
and
there's
been
discussion
as
to
the
scope
of
public
comment
when
discussing
it
when
a
matter
is
being
discussed
in
a
quasi-judicial
function,
namely
that
is
really
to
protect
the
due
process,
rights
of
the
applicant
and
the
subject
of
the
quasi-judicial
proceeding
during
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
F
The
witnesses
can
be
cross-examined
by
either
the
applicant
if
it's
an
acquisition
or
the
city
public
comment.
If
the
city
elects
to
accept
public
comment,
when
the
important
thing
is
is
then,
when
then
examining
the
appellate
record
of
such
a
proceeding,
the
public's
com,
a
public
comment,
does
not
constitute
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
can
be
used
against
the
applicant.
F
F
Remember
the
public
may
or
may
not
be
cross-examined
by
the
council
by
the
city's
legal
legal
counsel
or
by
the
applicant
or
the
applicant's
legal
counsel.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
times
where
some
cities
will
differentiate
between
those
who
are
parties
to
the
matter
and
members
of
the
public,
so
that
those
that
are
parties
or
party
witnesses
will
be
properly
sworn
in
subject
to
cross-examination.
Those
folks
will
not
be
subject
to
the
four-minute
rule
because
they
are
not
providing
public
comment.
They
are
providing
evidentiary
testimony
in
a
quasi-judicial
matter,
because
when
this
council
sits
in
a
quasi-judicial
matter,
you
are
sitting
as
the
equivalent
of
a
judge
and
not
as
a
city
council
in
deciding
a
matter.
F
F
There's
no
official
action
will
be
taken
by
the
city
council
on
discussion
items.
There's
no
public
comment
under
this
section
of
the
agenda.
This
carries
forward
from
those
exemptions
that
mainly
comes
up
with
from
the
comment
period
that
each
of
you,
each
of
you,
have
at
the
end
of
our
meetings,
to
provide
the
reports.
There's
no
official
action
being
taken.
There
might
be
discussions,
but
because
there's
no
official
action
being
taken,
there's
no
avenue
for
the
public
to
comment
on
matters
that
are
not
subject
to
any
official
action.
F
F
F
This
is
how
we're
going
to
govern
our
meeting,
and
these
are
the
rules,
and
these
are
all
based
on
the
authority
that
is
provided
by
the
ordinance,
so
that
hopefully,
will
clarify
the
purpose
of
ordinance
2931
clarifying
that
many
of
the
substantive
provisions
in
resolution
1616
are
carried
over
without
any
changes
and
that
those
changes
that
have
been
done
actually
curtail
some
of
the
unilateral
authority
that
the
resolution
provided
and
really
brings
the
brings
authorities
to
this
board
as
a
whole
to
act
in
the
event
where
things
may
get
out
of
hand,
there's
no
proper
way
for
a
code
to
actually
try
to
enumerate.
F
This
is
out
of
hand.
This
is
not
out
of
hand,
and
I
don't
want
to
quote
right
now.
The
name
of
the
supreme
court
justice
escapes
me
when
asked
to
find
pornography.
He
says
I'll
I'll
know
it
when
I
see
it,
but
there's
no
longer
unilateral
discretion
on
the
part
of
the
mayor.
F
So
the
way
that
the
again,
if
if
there
is
a,
perhaps
the
most
practical
example,
we
had
this
issue
several
months
ago,
there
was
an
interaction
during
public
comment
period,
it
turned
into
a
contentious
q,
a
it
continued,
and
it
was
commissioner
becker
who
tried
to
make
a
motion
or
try
to
move
for
some
kind
of
action.
Under
the
resolution
there
was
no
actual
provision
to
allow
one,
commissioner
to
to
try
to
move
the
the
board
to
try
this
council
to
try
to
act
on
it.
F
Now
that
provision
is
there
if
the
presiding
officer
is
not
acting,
a
council
member
can
come
in
by
motion
move
and
if
the
board
votes
the
council
votes
to
take
action,
then
that
is
the
action
of
the
council
to
direct
that
the
offending
conduct
be
addressed
and,
as
I
said,
the
code
specifically
states.
The
person
is
first
asked
to
stop
if
they
refuse
to
stop
they're
asked
to
leave.
N
I
I
appreciate
you
going
through
line
by
line
on
that
one.
I
wrote
down
some
of
my
kind
of
notes
what
I
don't
specifically
agree
with,
or
what
I'm
having
problems
with:
I'm
not
gonna
list,
all
of
them
they're
they're
plentiful.
I
I
just
feel
like
I
said
it
before
that
this
is
a
redundancy
I
feel
like
resolution.
2616
is
already
in
place
and
we're
already
not
following
that.
Nor
do
I
agree
with
that
anyways.
I
So
I
just
feel
that
this
is
a
waste,
and
I
feel
additionally
that
if
we
and
I
ran
on
this,
if
we
had
a
workshop
to
discuss
this
as
a
commission
and
a
board
to
say
where
can
we
refine
some
of
this?
Where
can
we
work
together?
I
B
D
E
B
Time
to
read
both
the
resolution
and
the
ordinances
being
presented
from
what
I
see
from
what
people
perceived
that
we
were
trying
to
prevent
individuals
from
making
public
comment
this
audience.
Nor
does
the
resolution
do
that.
It
still
does
not
prohibit
any
individual
from
coming
to
make
public
comment
or
to
address
any
issues
that
may
be
on
their
gender.
B
So
I
don't
see
any
infringes
upon
freedom
of
speech
in
either
resolution
or
in
the
ordinance
we're
still
allowing
them
the
four
minutes
to
speak,
and
they
can
speak
on
each
one
of
the
items
that's
on
their
gender.
So
therefore
they
can
still
express
whatever
concerns
that
they
may
have.
So
I
I
found
no
fault.
E
And
I
feel
because
this
is
coming
from
actions
from
previous
prior
previous
city
council
meetings,
republic
comment
where
there
was
a
lot
of
passion
and-
and
I
will
tell
you
that
I
have
been
the
subject
of
some
of
that
in
my
first
term-
and
it
you
know,
I
think
the
mayor
has
the
power
of
the
gap,
the
gravel
he
has.
The
power
he's
the
strong
mayor.
E
He
runs
this
meeting
and
I
feel
that
he
has
the
power
to
call
point
of
order
to
tell
someone
that
that
they're
out
of
order-
and
so
I
don't
feel
an
ordinance-
is
going
to
give
us
that
power,
because
it's
already
in
this
resolution,
so
I
don't
see
where
this
is
changing
anything
I.
I
just
feel
that
we
already
have
a
resolution
in
place.
We
haven't
been
following
it.
E
The
only
thing
I
see
with
the
ordinances
that
it
becomes
part
of
the
code
for
the
city,
and
while
you
said
that
the
resolution
you
have
said
it
over
and
over
again,
that
is
a
document
that
is
sort
of
has
a
lot
of
leeway
in
it,
and
I
want.
I
don't
want
the
public
to
feel
that
if
they
come
up
and
they're
passionate
or
they're
angry
about
something
that
they
have
to
be
that
have
to
control
that
emotion
again,.
F
F
No,
I
I
did
not
state
that
the
resolution
does
not
have
teeth.
What
I
had
stated
was
that
there
are
certain
the
main
impetus
is
that
the
resolution
is
not
easily
accessible
to
the
public,
because
it's
not
codified.
It's
not
part
of
the
city's
code.
Resolutions
are
standalone
documents
they're,
not
within
the
code
they're.
They
are.
They
reflect
official
action
of
the
city
council,
so
they
do
have
the
effect
of
law,
but
resolutions
are
not
ordinances
by
by
codifying
it,
and
by
codifying
it
I
mean
it
becomes
part
of
the
code
of
ordinances.
F
F
F
You
can
be
passionate
in
your
speech,
but
there's
a
difference
between
passionate
speech
and
willfully
interrupting
and
interfering
with
a
city
council
meeting.
You
can
come
up
here
and
be
passionate,
there's
no
authority
in
the
ordinance
to
stop
that
person
from
being
passionate
and
speaking
under
the
resolution.
F
F
F
F
If
one
of
you,
if
one
a
member
of
the
council,
tries
to
make
a
motion
to
stop
someone
from
being
for
being
passionate
I'll,
be
the
first
one
on
that
seat
to
state,
you
don't
have
that
authority,
you
do
have
the
authority
to
stop
a
willful
interruption
of
a
meeting.
If
someone's
in
the
gallery
screaming
yelling,
I
mean
the
extremes,
throwing
things
and
and
causing
something
causing
a
disruption.
That'll
interfere
with
your
official
business
and
that's
what
the
ordinance
seems
to
regulate
is
the
conduct
and
that
conduct
is
content
neutral.
F
F
That's
a
gray
area,
which
I
would
like
to
avoid
and
limit
the
regulation
to
the
conduct
of
somebody
and
that
conduct
doesn't
mean
someone
at
the
podium
unless
their
their
their
conduct
at
the
podium
raises
to
the
level
where
it
could
be
deemed
interfering
with
the
the
business
of
the
council.
And
that's
one
of
the
clarifications
that
I
wanted
to
place
in
the
ordinance
and
have
it
spelled
out
clearly
for
the
public.
F
It's
in
the
code
easily
accessible
online,
so
that
you
know,
but
substantively
speaking
again,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
and
misrepresentation
out
there.
You
can
come
up
and
speak,
there's
nothing
stopping
anyone
from
speaking,
but
you
can't
willfully,
interfere
or
try
to
disrupt
this
city
from
from
acting.
F
Folks
can
be
passionate,
but
if,
if
we're
trying
to
conduct
a
meeting-
and
we
have
a
large
group
that
chains
themselves
to
the
front
of
the
dais
and
and
doesn't
allow
this
city
council
to
move
forward,
the
council
has
the
has
the
right
to
to
state.
F
E
F
F
It's
part
of
the
code
that
a
speaker
gives
their
name
and
their
address
for
the
record
and
therefore
it's
in
the
code
and
it's
and
it's
clear
and
then
therefore
folks
also
now
have
prior
notice
and
have
constructive
notice
that
it's
in
the
code
and
here's
what's
required
in
order
to
speak
before
the
council.
It's
not
restricting
anyone
from
speaking
but
again,
because
local
governments
have
the
right
have
the
ability
to
place
reasonable
time,
place
and
manner,
restrictions
on
speech,
the
rules
for
being
recognized
for
submitting
comment
cards
for
getting
up.
F
M
E
Y
I
came
with
the
aa
triple
c
on
a
lot
of
things
that
we
had
interest
in
within
our
neighborhood,
and
I
participated
a
lot
because
that's
my
nature,
but
one
thing
I
don't
understand
about
us
and
I'm
talking
about
all
of
us,
we
have
innoce,
are
intertwined
with
each
other
a
long
time
and
we
know
each
other.
Some
of
us
have
been
to
school
with
each
other.
We
raised
together
and
other
things,
but
we
still
can't
seem
to
get
along.
Y
The
attorney
just
got
up
and
talked
for
a
while.
Some
of
the
things
he
said
tonight
was
not
said
the
first
time.
I
I
don't
understand
what
he's
trying
to
change
to
do,
but
one
thing
one
thing:
what
if
we
did
a
petition
where
you
guys
will
stop
doing
invocation
and
a
pledge
of
allegiance
to
the
flag?
Y
What
will
happen
then,
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
said
justice
for
all
all
right?
Does
it
seem
that
you're
trying
to
do
a
smoke,
screen
all
right
and
threaten
people
by
wanting
to
get
up
and
talk
once
you
do
those
things
they
don't
want
to
say
anything.
If
you
have
where
true
you
have
a
strong
male,
he
can't
stop
some
of
the
things,
but
you
have
four
minutes
four
minutes
to
talk
all
right.
You
should
be
able
to
say
anything
you
want
to.
Y
Y
If
your
four
minutes
is
up
in
the
end,
you
can
just
say
thank
you
and
walk
away,
but
given
our
information,
if
people
are
looking
at
it
on
zoom
or
whatever
they
are
for
sure,
they
will
not
have
that
20
piece
of
paper
that
they
need
at
that
time,
you
can
request
and
have
it
mail
to
you
or
email
you.
It
doesn't
matter
by
that
time,
but
you
have
the
knowledge
about
it
all
right.
Y
If
you
came
to
the
meeting
personally,
then
you'll
be
able
to
get
that
piece
of
mail
all
right,
all
that
rhetoric
and
stuff
that
the
attorney
is
talking
about.
It's
totally
disagree
total
all
right.
You
have
the
right.
You
have
that
right
to
speak,
all
right,
that's
in
our
constitution!
You
have
a
right
to
speak.
So
if
you
don't
like
what's
going
on,
maybe
I
think
you
need
to
resign
and
get
somebody
else
in
your
place.
Thank
you.
AA
AA
AA
AA
The
city
attorney
did
say
that
the
codification
would
put
teeth
into
2006
or
16
or
whatever.
That
was
another
song
in
a
dance
I
and
yes,
it
is
some
speech
is
prohibited
and
I
think
it
was
1932.
If
I'm
correct
it
was
oliver
wendell
holmes.
A
social
justice
is
the
one
that
coined
the
phrase
clear
and
pain,
clear
and
present
danger.
AA
The
city
council
is
because,
if
we
had
a
newspaper
like
the
apopka
chief
that
will
report
the
missteps
of
this
administration
like
eddie
poirier,
you
know
what
the
popka
mold
or
the
apopka
council
case
guy.
If
you
would
just
be
upfront
with
the
citizen,
you
wouldn't
have
nobody
coming
up
speaking
out.
AA
AA
Commissioner
bankster
is
the
one
that
asked
a
question
and
I
was
told
if
anybody
asks
you
a
question.
It's
respectful
to
give
an
answer,
and
while
we
codifying
stuff
when
we
when,
when
the
city
council
do
something
that
is
illegal,
I
think
that
the
city
of
attorney
should
address
it
and
let
them
know
that
it's
illegal,
because
on
that
night
commissioner
bankston
committed
admitted
to
his
campaign
during
that
time
did
some
illegal.
AA
AA
R
R
I
submitted
to
you
broward,
county,
harrisonville
and
allen
park,
examples
what
kind
of
went-
and
I
thought
in
plain
english-
you
got
to
be
an
attorney
to
look
at
when
you
take
a
look
at
the
old
or
the
resolution,
and
the
ordinance
you've
got
to
be
eternally
interpreted.
People
need
to
understand
that
we're
here
to
address
issues.
R
You
start
attacking
people
and
we
have
to
draw
the
line
somewhere,
and
I
learned
a
long
time
ago
that
what
I
look
at
and
after
discussing
what
I
felt
were
attacks
at
this
meeting
with
other
homeowners
in
our
area.
They
said
that
wasn't
an
attack,
so
that
was
through
my
eyes.
What
I
saw
as
a
personal
attack
was
through
my
eyes.
R
Someone
said
you're
discriminating
well,
if,
if
you,
if,
if
it
fits
you
you're
wearing
it
and
you're,
going
to
be
offended
by
it,
if
you're
not
it's
no
one
likes
to
be
called
out,
and
I
think
that
if
we
just
have
something
civil,
you
talk
about
issues
you
talk
about
concerns.
I
don't
like
this.
I
don't
like
that.
That's
fine!
When
you
start
going,
commissioner
mayor,
I
I
get
that
that
affects
me
and
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
for
others.
It's
different
and
we
all
have
it's.
R
Someone
said
that
backpack
in
our
backpacks
of
life
experience
how
we
view
things
is
on
that
backpack.
I
just
think
we
need
to.
We
had
to
have
civil
civil
correspondence
civil
communication.
We
should
not
be
late.
Yes,
you
get
excited
about
things.
I
raised
my
voice
a
couple
times.
That's
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that,
but
don't
be
calling
people
out.
I
don't
think
there's
a
place
for
it
here.
Thank
you.
T
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners,
mary
leverend
519
birch
court,
I
think
a
few
of
the
things
that
were
said
by
the
attorney
may
render
some
of
my
comments
now
invalid,
but
I
will
still
make
them.
T
T
2016-16
six
years
ago
there
was
no
adopted
policy
regarding
public
speaking
and
in
fact,
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
city
council
meetings
occurred
at
the
very
end
of
the
meeting
folks,
who
showed
up
to
speak
about
an
eagle
scout
fundraiser
or
to
invite
commissioners
to
a
special
event
at
the
vfw
or
who
wanted
to
complain
about
a
pothole
or
flooding
or
any
other
number
of
issues
were
relegated
to
wait
to
the
very
end
of
the
meeting,
often
times
many
hours.
As
we
all
know,
we're
still
here,
rather
than
haphazardly
change.
T
We
also
allow
young
people
who
have
an
early
bedtime
to
be
able
to
speak.
We
don't
have
any
of
those
tonight,
but
we
had
those
many
times
before
athletes
cub
scouts,
you
name
it
so
before
I
get
to
the
rest
of
what
I
wanted
to
to
address
tonight,
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
resolution
2016-16
as
it
was
originally
presented.
It
was
a
resolution
we
had.
Typically,
when
you
adopt
a
resolution,
one
reading,
we
had
to
do
two
because
I
was
required
to
make
some
substantive
changes
and
I'm
going
to
read
from
it.
T
I
had
to
strike
the
following,
such
as
applause,
audible,
conversations,
booing
harassing
remarks
or
other
audience
participation,
and
that's
where
it
ends
the
rest
of
this
was
still
included
during
or
at
the
conclusion
of
any
presentation
we
are
now
seeking
to
codify
unauthorized
speech.
Remarks
comments
comments.
What
is
that?
What's
unauthorized
speech,
stomping
of
feet,
whistles
yells,
similar
actions
or
demonstrations,
constituted
interruption
to
public
meetings
and
are
prohibited,
so
I
wanted
to
at
least
address
that
piece
what
we
sought
to
remove.
T
T
I
come
before
you
tonight
not
to
insist
that
you
retain
a
policy
that
doesn't
suit
the
needs
and
desires
of
this
council.
I
believe
each
council
should
be
able
to
adopt
its
own
rules
of
decorum.
What
works
for
one
collegiate
body
doesn't
necessarily
work
for
another.
Instead,
I'm
asking
you
to
consider
two
crucial
items
of
concern
with
the
proposed
ordinance
first,
that
it
is
an
ordinance
when
I
received
13
policies
from
surrounding
cities
in
2016.
T
T
T
Inclusion
of
this
language
has
a
chilling
effect
on
speech
and
is
openly
hostile
and
threatening
to
the
citizens
of
apopka
wishing
to
address
city
council,
especially
on
contested
matters
of
public
concern.
The
job
of
an
elected
official
is
not
an
easy
one.
It
requires
you
to
hear
the
concerns
of
your
constituents
and
sometimes
accept
criticism
in
a
public
forum.
T
AB
I
I
just
want
to
talk
about
basic
courtesy,
basic
common
sense,
and
when
we
talking
about
freedom
of
speech,
I
don't
think
we
have
to
get
all
that
deep
into
it,
because
when
I
look
at,
I
was
on
a
nice
cruise
celebrating
my
37th
anniversary
with
my
beautiful
wife,
and
when
I
get
home,
I
hear
that
we
got
an
ordinance
coming
out,
29
31
talking
about
the
freedom
of
speech
and
I'm
glad
a
lot
of
things
was
cleared
up
because
it
was
dishearten
heartened
to
hear
that.
AB
AB
AB
AB
Mr
rodriguez
said
he
didn't
so,
who
did
who
said
stop,
and
why
did
we
stop
so
when
things
like
this
happen,
and
we
look
at
you
guys
talk
to
us
like
we're
kids,
we
see
what's
going
on,
but
nobody
fessed
up
to
who
stopped
it.
So
I'm
actually
myself,
I'm
sitting
back
there
and
say
well
who
stopped
it?
Why
nobody
want
to
fess
up
to
it.
So
when
you
urinate
on
us
and
telling
this
is
telling
us
it's
raining,
that's
what
I
have
a
problem
with
and
we
need
to
stop
that.
AB
So
when
we
talk
about
the
first
amendment
first
freedom
of
speech,
what
most
people
feel
to
realize
the
power
that
you
have
every
citizen
you
have
that
power,
your
voice
and
your
vote
is
power.
Your
voice
and
your
vote
is
power
and
when
any
elected
official
try
to
take
that
away
from
you
that
should
raise
a
red
flag.
So
many
of
our
veterans
have
died
to
give
us
that
voice
and
our
vote.
Would
anybody
try
to
take
that
away
from
you?
AB
It
should
raise
a
red
flag
and
that's
when
you
get
a
lot
of
people
who
get
disheartened
with
politics,
I
don't
care
about
politics.
They
can
do
what
they
want
to
do.
They're
going
to
lie,
they're
going
to
tell
you
all
this.
They
do
that
because
we
don't
exercise
our
voice
in
our
vote.
We
don't
come
and
hold
accountability
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
AB
That's
what
I
have
pledged
from
the
beginning
of
this
year.
I
have
been
to
every
city
council
meeting
other
than
one.
I
just
missed
cruising
with
my
wife,
but
people
have
to
speak
up
and
they
have
to
speak
out
and
that
voice
should
never
be
suppressed.
A
great
captain
told
me
on
the
ship
he
said.
Look.
AB
I
was
in
charge
of
the
material
readiness
for
the
for
the
ship.
He
said,
look
the
condition
of
my
ship.
I
want
to
know
whether
it's
good
or
bad.
I
want
to
know
because
any
captain
who
can't
stand
to
hear
the
truth
about
this
ship
will
find
themselves
sinking
with
the
ship
any
governing
body
who
can't
stand
and
hear
the
truth
about.
AB
What's
going
on
on
in,
our
community
will
find
disaster
and
that's
not
serving
the
people,
and
so
when
you
look
at
people
getting
turned
off
asking
myself,
why
did
28
000
registered
voters
didn't
come
out
and
vote
at
the
last
mayor
election?
It's
because
this
kind
of
chaos,
this
kind
of
misleading
deception,
and
so
I'm
going
to
simply
say
that
I
always
been
saying
principal
matters.
AB
AC
AC
AC
Also
included
in
your
packet,
is
my
op-ed
piece
decorum,
or
will
democracy
die
on
our
watch
that
was
published
online
in
the
apopka
voice?
This
week
is
an
open
letter
to
the
residents
of
apopka,
which
you
all
are
I'm
entering
it
on
record,
as
it
expresses
my
opinion
and
you
guys
can
read
it
later.
If
you
haven't
already
read,
it
sounds
like
some
of
you
have
read
it.
My
stated
call
to
action
was
to
inspire
public
input
on
this
matter.
AC
I
believe
that
it
is
our
duty,
as
we
the
people,
to
tell
everyone
here,
that
we
expect
better
from
all
of
you,
whether
our
elected
officials,
city
management,
senior
staff,
support
staff
and
even
us,
the
pesky
annoying
citizens
that
we
must
all
do
better
we're
in
this
together
and
it's
our
job
to
get
this
right.
We're
creating
law
here,
I'm
pleased
that
a
couple
of
people
had
the
good
sense
to
tap
on
the
brakes
and
take
a
more
careful
and
critical
look
at
new
section
2-2-4
before
it
comes
law.
AC
AC
AC
Speaking
on
all
items
that
come
before
the
board,
including
items
that
weren't
on
the
agenda
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
that
is
a
recipe
for
disaster.
If
you
guys
can
bring
you
up,
sorry,
if
the
any
council
can
bring
up
anything
at
any
time
for
action,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
action
for
public
comment,
that's
a
problem-
and
you
can
look
at
this
specifically
look
at
sub
paragraph
two
and
I'll
read
it
to
you.
AC
How
am
I
doing
on
time?
Okay,
I'm
going
to
run
short,
so
I'm
going
to
skip
ahead
to
this
sentence.
In
addition,
there
shall
be
an
opportunity
and
a
meeting
for
members
of
the
public
to
comment
on
items
of
city
business
that
could
come
before
the
city
council
for
action,
but
are
not
on
the
agenda
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
This
is
under
f
people.
You
gotta,
look
at
the
way
these
the
order
of
these
items
reads.
AC
So
please
take
a
careful
look
at
this.
It's
a
mess.
I
want
you
to
look
at
f2a.
I
want
you
to
look
at
f2b.
I
want
you
to
look
at
f2c,
which
is
really
convoluted
because
it
doesn't
even
say
we
can
present
photos
or
powerpoint,
which
is
a
problem
so
anyway,
I
think
you
get
the
idea.
Somebody
needs
to
do
a
better
job
on
this
becomes
it
before
it
becomes
the
law
of
the
land
in
these
here
parts.
AC
I
respectfully
ask
this
body,
the
entire
city
council,
to
agree
unanimously
to
put
this
matter
on
pause
until
the
wording
is
greatly
improved
if
resources
are
needed,
hire
outside
counsel
somebody
who's,
an
expert
on
this.
Don't
approve
this
not
the
way
it's
written.
I
urge
you,
everyone,
everyone
to
do
better.
AC
Z
I
know
I
come
from
a
unique
position
of
knowing
what
it's
going
to
be
like
to
be
on
that
side
of
the
dial
so
I'll
make
it
quick.
You
know
I
mean
really
it
is
concerning
what
what
the
what
the
timing?
What's
the
driver
of
the
timing
of
this,
I
don't
see,
what's
transpired
over
the
last,
you
know
six
months
that
would
drive
to
codifying
this.
If
it's
all
about
awareness,
we
just
talked
about
in
the
public
comments
section
that
this
should
have
been
an
elite
in
packet.
Z
All
of
that's
leading
to
this
confusion,
frustration
things
being
misinterpreted
on
social
media
people
in
the
business
community
that
are
trying
to
do
progress,
constructive
things
in
our
city
having
to
waste
an
hour
hour
and
a
half
of
their
time
going
over
this.
This
garbage,
but
I
would
like
to
just
factually
speaking
just
talk
about
the
state
law
right,
so
you
know
the
attorney
said
that
no
one
had
the
authority
besides
the
mayor
to
do
a
point
of
order
and
appeal
to
the
board
chair.
If
rules
are
being
not
followed,
that's
inaccurate.
Z
I
mean
the
the
chapter
that
he's
representing
871
in
terms
of
disturbing
meetings.
We
all
have
the
ability
to
do
a
point
of
voter
appeal
to
the
chair
motion
to
have
the
speaker.
That's
causing
that
disruption
either
vacated
on
the
premises
or
to
see
speaking.
That
has
nothing
to
do
with.
The
resolution
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
language
that
you're
trying
to
pass
today.
Z
Chapter
286
that
public
meetings
reasonable
opportunity
to
be
heard
section
two.
The
last
sentence
basically
states
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
as
subject
to
to
rules
and
policies
adopted
by
the
board
or
commission,
as
provided
in
subsection,
four
subsection,
four
reads:
rules
or
policies
of
a
board
of
work
commission
which
govern
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
or
limited
to
those
that
a
provide
guidelines
regarding
the
amount
of
time
an
individual
has
to
address
the
board
of
commission.
Z
Here,
not
what
we're
discussing
section
c,
prescribed
procedures
or
forms
for
an
individual
to
use
in
order
to
inform
the
board
or
commission
of
a
desire
to
be
heard
to
indicate
his
or
her
support,
opposition
or
neutrality
on
a
proposition
and
to
indicate
his
or
her
designation
of
a
representative
to
speak
for
him
or
her
or
his
or
her
group
on
a
proposition
he
or
she
so
chooses.
So
that
would
be
within
the
purview
of
what
you
can
set
as
a
roller
procedure.
Z
Last
one
there's
section
d
designated
specified
period
of
time
for
public
comment
to
miss
lovers
period
before
back
in
2016.
It
was
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Now
it's
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
Nothing
in
there
does
it
talk
about
inability
to
address
certain
members
of
council.
In
fact,
if
you
go
with
that
one
clause
within
the
codification
of
the
ordinance,
it
says
you
can't
address
a
single
member
of
council.
Z
Z
You
all
were
elected
because
you
wanted
to
represent
people
in
good
times
and
in
bad
we've
all
sat
up
there
and
been
criticized
fairly
unfairly.
It's
not
my
opinion.
People
can
sit
there
and
say
you
know.
You've
had
this
done
to
you
last
meeting,
commissioner
nesta,
but
you
took
it
and
you
probably
gleaned
some
information
from
that
exchange
that
made
you
better
as
a
representative
sitting
in
that
seat.
Z
F
All
right,
I
guess
again
for
further
clarification.
I
mean
I
respect
the
opinions
of
the
public.
They
provided
their
comments
and
to
again
reiterate,
there
is
nothing
in
the
ordinance
that
prevents
anyone
from
coming
up
to
this
podium
and
addressing
the
council.
It's
not
there.
It
doesn't
exist
further.
F
I
if
there
was
one
comment
that
did
trouble
me
was
defense
of
the
resolution,
because
it
allows
you
to
make
amendments
without
it
being
advertised
to
the
public
advocating
ease
to
not
inform
the
public
of
a
change
to
rules
that
will
enforce
that'll
affect
public
speaking
as
opposed
to
an
ordinance
which
requires
advertising
and
two
public
hearings
to
discuss.
Here's
where
we're
we're
here,
we're
here
at
first
reading,
we're
going
to
be
back
at
second
reading.
F
I
just
tried
to
formulate
that
I
don't
think
the
intent
was
hey
stick
to
the
resolution,
because
guys
it's
easier
to
amend,
because
you
don't
have
to
advertise
that
you're
going
to
amend
the
resolution.
If
I
don't
know
if
that
was
the
intent
of
the
speaker,
but
I
want
to
make
it
clear
clarify
that
there
is
nothing.
F
Currently,
under
section
6
subsection
d
of
resolution
2016-16,
the
mayor
has
the
right
to
find
a
violation
of
this
subsection.
In
the
event,
a
person's
conduct
or
speech
is
by
way
of
example,
and
not
limitation.
Duplicative
irrelevant
redundant
constitutes
a
display
of
abusive
behavior
or
is
otherwise
causing
substantial
disruption
that
is
deleted
from
the
ordinance.
F
F
F
Somebody
can
speak
speak
their
mind.
We
had
speakers
today,
they
spoke
their
mind.
There's
no
authority
in
the
ordinance
for
any
member
of
this
council
to
stop
the
clock,
turn
off
the
microphone
and
tell
them
to
sit
because
what
they
spoke
as
an
authorized
speaker
was
duplicative
under
the
resolution.
F
The
presiding
officer
has
the
authority
to
tell
someone
to
sit
down
because
they've
repeated
themselves,
because
what
they're
saying
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
subject
that
is
in
the
current
resolution.
That
is
not
in
the
ordinance
yet.
However,
the
the
the
narrative
that
was
presented
is
we're
chilling
people's
speech,
we're
not
we're
regulating
what
they're
saying
the
language
is.
If
your
four
minutes
are
up,
you
sit.
However,
if
the
conduct
becomes
such
that
it
is
disruptive
to
a
meeting,
then
this
council
can
act
to
regulate
that
conduct.
F
Again,
it's
it's
and
one
of
the
other
comments
that
was
stating.
I
guess
there
is
no
right
or
authority
of
this
council
to
place
something
on
the
agenda
without
notice
and
without
it
popping
in
the
agenda.
That's
just
legally
incorrect.
F
The
language
is,
somebody
can
come
to
speak
at
public
comment
on
an
item.
That's
not
on
the
agenda.
That
may
potentially
become
an
item
that
may
be
in
on
the
agenda.
If
somebody
comes
to
speak
on
an
issue.
By
way
of
example,
remember
the
public
came
to
speak
on
issues
regarding
flooding,
it's
not
on
the
agenda.
It
could
potentially
be
on
a
future
agenda
to
be
addressed
because
it
may
be
on
a
future
agenda.
F
F
F
So,
as
I've
stated
when
the
impetus
is,
the
code
allows
us
to
provide
the
the
rules
of
decorum
having
it
codified
so
that
it
is
readily
available
for
the
public
to
view,
and
they
are
there,
they're
codified,
they're
in
law.
There
is
nothing
to
stop
this
council
from
amending
as
time
progresses.
If
there's
an
issue,
it
comes
forward
and
be
amended
that
amendment
will
be
advertised,
the
public
will
become
aware
of
the
the
the
amendment
it'll
be
discussed
in
a
first
reading
and
a
second
reading.
F
This
is
the
clearest
example
of
being
as
transparent
as
possible,
placing
it
in
the
code
and
and
having
it
the
effect.
The
resolution
and
an
ordinance
have
the
same
effect
of
law.
One's
not
simple
in
the
other,
the
what
putting
it
on
the
ordinance
is.
It
provides
it,
it
puts
it
clear,
concise
and
the
language
is
fairly
clear
and
the
main
regulations
again
are
not
to
the
content
of
the
speaker's
speech.
F
It
is
merely
regulating,
if
there's
any
regulation,
conduct
which
rises
to
the
level
of
willful
interruption
of
the
government's
business.
That
is
a
that
is
a
vastly
different
standard
than
the
content
of
speech
which,
under
the
current
resolution,
can
be
regulated.
If
somebody
is
repetitive
irrelevant,
that's
there
now,
if
this
ordinance
is
passed,
that's
gone
and
somebody
can
come
up
here
and
repeat:
somebody
can
come
every
single
council
meeting
and
say
the
same
exact
thing:
we've
seen
it
happen,
there's
nothing
in
this
ordinance
that
stops
them
from
doing
that.
F
F
F
So
if
you
want
further
clarification
again,
I
I
am
here,
but
that
is
that
is
the
the
gist
of
the
ordinance
and
I've
presented
side
by
side.
The
language,
a
lot
of
the
language,
that's
in
the
resolution
is
being
carried
verbatim
into
the
ordinance.
F
There
was
just
some
portions
that
I
think
needed
to
be
revised
in
order
to
to
what
I
believe
withstand
constitutional
muster
when
it
comes
to
issues
of
speech,
and
that
that
was
the
one
that
was
most
concerning
to
me
was
that
that
there
was
an
issue
with
what
constituted
really
the
regulation,
the
regulation
of
somebody's,
the
content
of
their
speech
and
those
that
content
regulation
has
been
deleted
expressly
deleted.
I
I
don't
know
how
much
clearer
I
can
be.
B
Rights
of
people
to
speak,
and
that
is
not
happening
and
even
in
previous
city
council
meetings,
I
had
residents
to
say
why
do
y'all
allow
those
people
to
keep
coming
to
a
city
council
meeting.
Well,
it's
their
right.
Well,
it's
a
part
of
our
job,
so
I
have
no
problem.
Hold
me
accountable
and
whatever
criticism
comes,
it's
a
part
of
the
job,
and
so
I
have
no
problem
with
that,
and
so
I
tell
them,
don't
worry
about
it.
B
It's
part
of
the
job,
and
so
we
are
not
prohibiting
people
from
saying
whatever
they
have
to
say
to
come
here
to
address
this
council,
and
so
that
that's
been
the
biggest
issue
that
I've
heard,
and
I
don't
see
where
this
is
doing.
It
is
not
stopping
anybody
from
saying
anything
that
they
want
to
say
when
they
come
to
this
council
as
long
as
they
fill
out
a
card
and
go
before
the
podium.
I
think.
F
The
clearest
illustration
is
somebody
who's
speaking
here
at
this
podium
who's
been
authorized
to
speak
either
by
filling
out
a
card
or
has
been
recognized
by
the
mayor
to
come
during
public
comment.
That
person
is
exercising
their
first
amendment
rights.
What
the
ordinance
seeks
to
regulate
is
the
other
party
out
there
screaming
drowning
out
that
person
drowning
out
now.
F
Now
that
language
is
clear,
that
is
behavior,
that's
content
neutral
and
that's
the
conduct
that
it
seeks
to
regulate
when
you're
up
here
speaking,
there's
nothing
to
stop
you
from
saying
whatever
you
want
as
long
as
you're,
not
actually
stating
something
that
does
go
beyond
the
pale
of
your
first
amendment,
right
to
speak,
which
is
clearly
threatening
language
which
can
be
constituted
as
a
as
a
as
a
physical
threat
which
will
put
someone
in
imminent.
F
You
know
eminent
fear
of
actually
being
threatened,
and
that's
that's
a
language.
It's
important
to
know.
Yes,
there
is
the
first
memorized
speech,
it's
very
important
to
note
that
your
freedom,
the
right
to
speech,
is
not
absolute
and
there
are
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restrictions
as
long
as
those
restrictions
are
reasonable.
B
I
Don't
know
here
and
here's
where
it's
not
content
neutral,
both
resolution
2616
and
this
ordinance
are
not
content
neutral
in
the
fact
that
a
resident
can't
specifically
come
up
and
address
one
member
up
here.
That's
not
content
neutral.
I
F
I
Then
it's
not
it's
not
etched
in
stone,
10
o'clock,
let's
I
move
to,
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
workshop.
I
want
to
have
an
open
dialogue
with
you
guys
to
really
figure
out
what
your
expectations
are,
how
you
guys
feel
it's
going
to
be
best
moving
forward.
The
way
that
it
is
right
now,
I
think,
is
problematic.
F
F
We
have
second
reading
again
before
it's
finally
adopted
if
their
staff
would
have
no
problem.
If
you
direct
you
wish
to
remove
the
language
in
regards
to
direct
comment,
either
positive
or
negative
direct
comment
to
discuss
to
direct
a
member
of
the
board
that
can
be
amended
and
if
you
direct
staff
and
there's
you
get
the
votes
on
the
council
to
direct
staff
to
change
that
second
reading
it'll
be
changed.
There's
nothing!
Stopping
us
from
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
go
now,
I'm
not
going
to
change
it!
F
That's
that,
if
that
is
the
concern
and
you
and
the
board
agrees
with
that
language
being
removed,
it
can
be
amended
there's
nothing
to
there.
That's
that's
a
that's
why
the
the
matter
is
being
presented
to
you
at
first
reading
and
opening
to
amend
it
and
you're
amending
it
in
the
open
to
the
public.
A
A
little
bit
as
well,
okay,
I've
got
what
we
need
to
understand.
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
things
on
social
media
all
about
what
this
does
or
doesn't
do.
It
does
four
things
different
than
the
resolution.
Okay,
one
is
it
codifies
it
into
a
quote
of
ordinances:
two.
It
reduces
from
48
hours
to
24
hours.
Somebody
wants
to
bring
up
a
video
or
a
powerpoint,
so
it
gives
more
transparency.
A
Three.
It
gives
the
council
members
the
ability
to
stop
somebody
from
from
getting
out
of
out
of
hand.
Let's
just
say
it's
it's
a
supporter
of
mine
and
he
doesn't
like
you.
It
gives
you
the
ability
to
stop
it
without
me.
If
maybe
I
want,
maybe
I'm
mad
at
you
and
I
let
them
just
go
on
just
attack
you.
You
could
then
stop
that
person
from
committing.
A
You
know
something.
That's
outside
the
scope
of
what
public
comment
should
be
three.
It
does
not
regulate
if
anything
it.
It
frees
up
speech.
So
if
you
want
to
talk
about
free
speech
what
this
does,
if
somebody
wants
to
come
every
every
meeting
like
rod,
olson
to
talk
about
the
backflow
preventers,
he
can
come
every
meeting
and
talk
about
backflow
preventers
under
the
current
resolution.
He
can't
do
that
if
I
want
to
shut
him
down
next
week.
Next
next,
commission,
meaning
I
can
shut
him
down,
and
so
it's
it's.
A
A
So
this
has
got
the
belts
and
suspenders
that
the
resolution
doesn't
have
as
well
as
giving
you
council
members
more
authority,
giving
the
public
more
authority
by
giving
us
instead
of
a
48-hour
24-hour,
and
it
also
gives
the
ability-
or
we
can't
regulate
the
speech
that
you
that
you
bring
forward.
So
this
does
more
for
the
public
than
what
the
current
resolution
does
and
if
we
want
to
change
the
the
ordinance
we
come
back,
we
can
obviously
we
can
change
it
now
at
the
second,
the
second
you
know,
hearing
second
reading.
If.
F
And
and
the
council
agrees
to
strike
that
then
it'll
be
stricken
and
presented
at
second
reading
with
that
section
stricken
you
have
the
ability,
like
we
did
with
the
backyard
chickens
ordinance
that's
going
to
come
later.
That
was
changed
from
first
to
second
reading
at
the
direction
of
this
council.
A
I
A
F
I
F
F
F
The
language
that's
in
this
code
is
is
most
of
it
was
modeled
after
city
of
boynton
beach.
Also
volusia
county
has
the
same
codification
city
of
orlando.
Has
their
rules
of
decorum
codified
as
well
we're
not
alone.
E
A
point:
where
can
you
just
explain
one
that
I'm
kind
of
on
the
fence
with
is
section
2-24
g
number,
three,
any
person
who
at
a
city,
council
or
board,
meeting
willfully,
interrupts
or
disturbs
the
city
council
or
board
meeting
in
violation
of
section
871.1.
F
You
read
section
g
in
its
entirety
and
do
not
take
just
g3
by
itself
out
of
content
out
of
context.
G1
is
the
first
step
a
person
who
is
willfully
interrupting
the
meeting.
You
read
g1
if
the
individual
fails
to
cease
the
offending
conduct
and
continues
interrupting
the
meeting,
the
individual
shall
leave
the
meeting
room
if
so
directed
by
the
mayor
or
applicable
presiding
officer,
and
such
person
shall
be
barred
from
further
attendance
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
step.
One
please
example:
please
leave
no
step
two
in
the
case,
the
mirror
applicable
proceeding.
F
Then,
once
they've
been
warned
they've
been
at
first,
it
g
actually
goes
you
first,
you
have
the
the
you
have
a
warning.
If
you
do
not
heed
the
warning,
you're
asked
to
leave.
If
you
refuse
to
leave
you've
been
warned,
you've
been
asked
to
leave
now
two
times
you've
ignored
direction
now,
because
you've
gone
twice.
F
I
F
F
F
That
person
could
be
removed
or
arrested,
and
it
doesn't
take
a
warning,
a
direction
to
leave.
That
then
does
authorize
the
the
the
sergeant-at-arms
to
take
action.
If
it's
deemed
that,
as
such,
I
mean
you,
don't
you
don't
want
to
take
one
example
of
the
extreme
as
negating
the
entire
effect
when
rating
in,
in
the
context
of
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written.
I
I
A
I
So,
what's
the
move
from
here,
then,
what
I
guess
what's
the
next
step,
it
seems
two
to
two:
we
don't
have
a.
How
do
we
move
on?
It's
we've
been
here
a
long
time
talking
about
this.
F
F
F
F
E
A
F
To
deny
fails
but
alternative
an
alternate
motion
to
move,
because
what
we
have
is
to
strike
it
to
deny.
So.
Therefore,
that's
negated,
you
don't
there's
no,
it's
not
denied,
because
you
didn't.
You
didn't
pass
a
motion
to
deny
it.
I
F
N
A
D
A
A
X
A
D
X
Ordnance
summer
2908
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
to
extend
its
territorial
and
municipal
limits
to
annex
pursuant
to
florida
statute.
171.044
the
hearing
after
described
land
situated
and
being
in
orange
county
florida
owned
by
kelly
park,
road
property,
llc
located
south
of
kelly
park,
road
and
west
of
chandler
road
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk
severability
conflicts,
an
effective
date.
A
A
E
X
Ordinance
number
2914,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
t
transitional
district
to
nmu,
kpi
kelly
park,
interchange,
district,
mixed
use
and
assigning
neighborhood
and
transition
overlay
districts
for
certain
real
property
located
south
of
ondark
road
and
east
of
brown
lake
road,
comprising
205.07
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
kelly
parkland
investments,
llc
galvin
land
service,
llc
and
harris
kp
llc,
providing
for
directions
to
the
community
development,
director,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
M
No
changes
on
this,
but
this
is
a
three-stepper
three-step
approval
is
the
ordinance
the
master
plan
and
then
the
development
agreement
itself.
Three
separate
motions:
okay,.
A
X
R
I
have
some
problems
with
this
and
again
I
spoke
earlier,
but
on
this
topic
weeks
ago,
but
with
all
due
respect
and
with
the
understanding
that
the
current
provision
is
being
corrected
in
the
city
charter,
the
city
allowing
this
developer
or
any
developer
to
circumvent
the
intent
of
this
policy
is
not
the
best
interest
of
the
interests
of
the
residents
of
apopka.
R
This
prop
this
park.
The
majority
park
other
than
two
little
strips,
is
the
middle
of
600
apartments,
who,
in
their
right
mind,
is
going
to
go
through
that
complex
to
get
to
that
park.
To
allow
that
exception
seems
ludicrous
to
me
and
it
it's
it's
comparable
with
two
little
strips
on
the
outside,
it's
comparable
to
putting
lipsticks
on
an
alligator.
It's
still
an
alligator
if
they
want
the
density,
then
move
the
majority
of
the
park
space
to
the
fringe
of
the
development
where
other
residents
in
apopka
can
make
use
of
it.
A
D
A
D
A
A
No
changes,
no
changes;
okay,
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
ordinance
number
2915,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
smith.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
nesta,
all
those
in
favor
aye
aye.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2916.
X
Awardness
number
2916
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka,
designating
the
future
land
use,
designation
to
commercial
maximum
0.25
floor
area
ratio
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
southeast
corner
of
plymouth.
Sorrento
road
and
leicester,
road
owned
by
vision,
car
wash
2
llc,
comprising
2.05
acres,
more
or
less
can
project
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective.
A
Date:
okay,
anybody
from
the
public,
we
should
speak
on
this
matter.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
2916..
Someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velazquez
second
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor
aye
aye.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2917,
ordinance.
D
I
D
A
X
Okay,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
ordinance
number
2917,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida.
Changing
the
zoning
from
pde
plan
district,
planned
development,
district
to
city
cc,
community
commercial
district
for
a
portion
of
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
southeast
corner
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road
and
lester
road
owned
by
lester
road
land
trust
comprising
approximately
2.005
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
A
E
A
X
Ordinance
number
2924,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
granting
the
petition
of
g
and
b
development
services,
llc,
establishing
and
naming
the
kelly
park.
Community
development
district
pursuant
to
chapter
190
florida
statutes
describing
its
external
boundaries,
the
functions
and
powers
of
the
district
designating
five
persons
to
serve
as
the
initial
members
of
the
district
board
of
supervisors,
providing
for
severability
clause
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
A
A
Reading,
okay,
so
no
changes
all
right
with
that.
We
have
a
motion:
anybody
from
the
public.
We
should
speak
on
ordinance
number
29
24
that
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
29
24..
Someone
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
nesta
taking
my
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye
I'll,
oppose
motion
carries
tomorrow.
Next
up
ordinance,
number
2925.
D
X
Article
5,
section
5.3
tree
protection
standards,
section
5.3.8,
retention
of
specimen
trees
by
creating
replacement
tree
species
list
and
tree
planting
strip
widths
by
amending
part
3.
Article
5
section
5.10
signs
subsection
5.10.8
standards
for
specific
sign
types
by
amending
primary
and
secondary
wall
sign
sizing
by
amending
part
3
appendix
a
mixed-use
kelly
park,
interchange,
mukpi,
form-based
code,
chapter
8
density
intensity
and
open
state
space
standards,
table
4
density
intensity
and
open
space
standards
by
amending
part
3
appendix
a
chapter
p.
X
S
Roger's
back
at
7
west
main
street,
there
was
a
couple
things
that
kind
of
caught
my
eye
when
I
was
running
through
this
packet,
one
was
in
regards
to
the
trees
in
regards
to
calculation.
That
range
one
tree
up
to
six
trees.
I
think
we
should
look
into
account
the
size
of
the
lot
as
well
as
what's
going
to
be
placed
on
a
lot
and
then
you
look
at
wait.
S
It
sounds
a
lot
so,
for
example,
okay,
massage
a
lot
range
from,
I
believe
5000
square
feet
had
to
require
a
one
residential
tree
right.
But
then
you
also
had
language
in
there.
That
said
that
you
had
to
provide
street
trees
as
well.
So
is
it
stating
that
the
residential
lot
only
has
one
one
tree
for
five
thousand
square
feet
or
is
in
addition
to
the
street
trees.
S
Okay
and
then
one
of
the
other
items
that
kind
of
caught
my
eye-
and
this
is
just
because
it's
a
trending
factor
now
artificial
turf-
is
stated
in
this
code
now
that
you
do
not
allow
that
at
all
so
or
that
you
had
to
come
to
the
city
to
get
a
permit
or
give
permission
to.
So
I
guess
why
would
you
negate
a
person
the
ability
to
use
that
material?
And
at
this
point,
if
I
want
to
put
a
put
it
put
golf
in
my
backyard.
M
A
M
Yeah
well
there's
some
percolation,
but
there's
there's
there's
no
exchange
for
carbon
carbon
dioxide
with
with
fake
lawn,
and
it
also.
It
also
allows
for
a
cooler
type
of
cooling
effect
when
you
have
natural
lawn
versus
plastic.
Basically,.
S
Well,
I
guess
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
I
don't
know
100
degree,
but
I'll.
Take
that
and
then,
in
regards
to
the
sinus
calculation,
I
saw
that
it
pretty
much.
Did
the
interior
height
of
the
ceiling
inside
the
building,
as
opposed
to
the
height
of
the
building
itself,.
M
Correct
yeah,
because
you
some
some
developers
can
add
a
parapet.
You
know
it
can
add
a
parapet,
that's
twice
as
high
as
the
building
itself,
and
we
we
look
at
the
the
total,
the
total
square
footage.
It
basically
click
it.
It
didn't.
It
clarified
that
you
utilized
a
dimension.
The
only
thing
we
added
to
clarify
was
that
15
so
that
you
could
have
a
maximum
200
square
feet
for
a
for
a
building.
Okay,.
S
So
it's
not
going
to
take
into
account
what
type
of
roadway
you
might
be
fronting,
correct,
okay
and
then
the
other
thing.
As
far
as
to
the
clarification
of
shed,
I
saw
this
at
a
maximum
of
15
feet
in
height.
Then
it
also
referred
me
back
to
a
table
that
referred
it
to
120
square
feet.
So
if
it's
less
than
20
120
square
feet,
do
you
come
to
get
a.
M
City
permit
or
not.
This
was
just
a
clarification.
We
had
one
place
that
said:
15
foot
height
limit
this
portion
that
we
corrected
simply
said
it
could
be
as
tall
as
the
building
adjace,
the
the
adjacent
building.
So
if
a
single
family
house
was
35
feet
tall,
some
people
were
interpreting
that
as
saying
their
shed
can
be
35
feet
tall.
So
we
just
said
it's
a
15
15-foot
limit
for
your
shed.
M
S
Because
I
know-
and
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
to
go
back
to
when
I
worked
here
when
I
came
in
somebody
would
have
said:
if
you
had
a
rubber
shed,
usually
you
want
a
building
permit.
They
said
we
don't
permit
those.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
permit
it
now?
If
you
got
regulation
regarded
then
it
also
states
that
it
should
look
similar
to
the
home.
So
how
do
you
regulate
the
shed?
If
you
have
all
these.
M
A
S
So
it's
just
alternative
to
it,
because
if
you
look
at
it
you're
probably
spending
about
a
thousand
dollars,
just
watering
grass
fertilizing,
we
got
we
got
the
whatever
they
call
that
thing
out
there.
So
you
got
fertilizer
issues
going
into
then
you
got
the
whole
septic
to
sewer
type
deal.
So
there
is
a
need
and
a
benefit
to
having
artificial
services
to
reduce
those
particular
issues
that
we're
having
in
an
environment.
S
M
Yeah,
it
even
says,
unless
approved
by
the
city
for
specific
uses.
So
if
you
came
in
and
wanted
to
put
in
a
putting
green
I'd,
say
yeah
sure.
S
N
F
To
divulge
further,
but
if
you
want
to
know
what
artificial
turf
feels
like
in
florida
go
to
the
boom
boss
sports
facility
out
west
east
of
lake
mary,
and
when
you
stand
next
to
it
in
the
summer
heat
what
it's
like
standing
next
to
an
open
oven,
you
actually
have
to
end
up
watering
it
more
in
order
to
keep
it
cool
because
during
the
summer,
just
from
experience
the
it
will
melt.
The
plastic
off
the
bottom
of
your
sneakers
without
proper
cooling.
R
It
did
off
my
granddaughter's
shoes.
185
degrees
is
the
temperature
at
field
level.
Now
my
only
question
with
25
was:
I
was
understanding
that
the
29
glitch
exception
was
supposed
to
be
addressed
in
that
did.
I
did
I
not
hear.
D
R
M
A
F
M
I
A
X
Yes,
it
is
correct
in
the
packet
yeah,
it
is.
It's
ordinance
2916,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka,
designating
the
future
land
use,
designation
to
commercial
maximum
floor
.25
floor
area
ratio
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
along
the
southeast
corner
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road
and
leicester,
road
owned
by
lester,
roane,
leicester,
road
land
trust
comprising
2.005,
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
That's.
A
The
one
okay,
all
right,
anybody
from
the
public
which
is
speaking
this
matter,
if
not
close,
the
public
hearing,
look
for
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
2916.,
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez
second
segment,
commissioner
nesta,
all
those
in
favor
all
right,
I'll,
oppose
motion
carriers.
Thank
you.
Okay,
ordinance,
number
29-27.
X
Ordinance
number
2927
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
relating
to
backyard
chickens,
amending
part
3
land
development
code,
article
4
use
regulations,
section
4.2,
principal
uses,
subsection,
4.2.3
standards
specific
to
principal
uses
by
establishing
regulations
allowing
chickens
to
be
kept
on
lots
or
parcels
with
single-family
detached
residences
and
mobile
homes.
Amending
part
3
article
2
administration,
section
2.2,
summary
table
of
development
review
responsibilities
to
create
a
backyard
chicken
permit
amending.
D
F
F
F
AD
The
one
thing
that
I'll
ask
tonight,
if
the
commission,
if
the
council
chooses
to
to
pass
this
ordinance,
I
don't
know
what
the
effective
date
is,
but
I
know
it
was
suggested
at
the
last
meeting
that
the
hoas
that
who
currently
have
covenants
that
are
silent
on
this
topic,
that
they
just
changed
their
covenants.
AD
It's
not
that
easy,
and
it's
it's
oftentimes
a
costly
and
time-consuming
task
for
the
hoa
attorneys
to
go
through
that
whole
process
to
change
the
covenants.
So
at
the
very
least,
I
would
ask
that
we
have
an
opportunity
that
this
doesn't
take
take
effect
right
away
so
that
any
hoa
that
wants
to
attempt
to
change
their
covenants
have
time
to
to
follow
that
process
through.
A
AE
Tony
philcox
live
at
927
crest
court
in
apopka,
I'm
here
to
support
this
ordinance
and
contrary
to
the
neighbor
who
just
spoke.
I
don't
believe
that
there's
a
major
issue
about
wildlife
or
anything
else
or
decrease
of
property
value,
there's
no
evidence
to
suggest
that
surrounding
counties
certainly
do
that.
Allow
chickens
in
the
backyard.
AE
This
is
an
ongoing
issue
between
susan
and
in
my
daughter.
You
saw
her
here
earlier
with
her
husband
and
you
know
two
kids
they've
trying
to
educate
her
on
educate
them
on
sustainability
and
also
you
know,
that's
their
pet
chickens,
and
so
I
I
think
that
it's
a
it's
it's
a
very
important.
I
guess
education
process
for
for
those
kids
and
in
addition
to
that,
they
have
taken
steps
to
go
through
the
course
that
they
need
to
to
properly
care.
F
AE
The
chickens
and
they've
had
spent
some
like
600
for
the
coupe
to
be
built.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
they
have
done
in
preparation
for
this,
and
so
I
would
say
this
that
yeah
there
would
be
trouble
in
the
neighborhood
if
the
hoa
took
steps
to
try
to
you
know,
pass
something
like
this
and,
of
course
it
would
take
time,
and
I
think
it
would
be
unnecessarily
time
spent.
So
I'm
in
support
of
this
ordinance-
and
I
know
other
neighbors-
are
in
support
of
it.
AE
I
know
other
communities
have
already
done
it.
Orlando
orange
county-
it's
not
something
that
is,
you
know
different
anywhere
else
it.
So
I
would
encourage
the
your
honor,
the
mayor,
as
well
as
commissioners,
to
pass
this
ordinance
without
delay.
Thank.
AE
F
The
ordinance
is
effective
upon
adoption
tying
the
effective
date
to
potential
hoas.
I
mean
it's
really
becomes
open-ended,
especially
especially
with
the
number
of
hoas
within
the
city
I
mean
it
would
have
to
sit
down
and
decide
what
is
a
a
proper
effective
date.
That's
your
prerogative!
It's
it's,
not
mine,
nor
staffs,
but
like
pursuant
to
chapter
166.
The
the
ordinance
is
effect
effective
upon
adoption.
E
D
D
F
Good
evening
ordinance,
29
32
has
had
a
change
between
first
and
second
reading
upon
consultation
with
both
the
code
enforcement
division
and
the
police
department.
What
has
now
been
presented
for
second
reading
the
we
have
removed
the
option
for
a
violator,
someone
who
receives
a
citation
to
appeal
the
citation
to
county
court.
Now,
it's
all
handled
internally.
So
if
you
receive
a
citation,
if
you
decide
to
challenge
the
citation
kind
of
like
getting,
if
you
get
a
speeding
ticket,
you
can
go
to
court
here.
F
If
you
get
a
ticket
a
code
enforcement
ticket,
you
have
30
days
to
rent
file
your
appeal
and
then
you'll
be
placed
on
the
next
agenda
in
front
of
the
code
enforcement
special
magistrate,
so
we're
keeping
it
all
internal,
also
important
to
note
just
to
try
to
get
ahead
of
any
potential
misinterpretation
or
misinformation
that
goes
out
there.
This
ordinance
authorizes
an
alternative
enforcement
mechanism,
which
is
a
citation
process.
Chapter
162
florida
statutes
authorizes
local
governments
to
have
an
alternative
citation
procedure
in
addition
to
the
standard
code
enforcement
route
through
the
hearings.
F
F
F
That
schedule
will
then
have
a
list
of
you
know
this
code
qualifies
as
a
x
for
illustrated
purposes.
You
know
this
violation
is
25.
This
violation's
100,
this
violation's
150..
So
to
be
clear
that
will
be
presented
to
you
by
resolution,
so
we
can
review
it
at
that
point.
Sit
down!
These
are
the
these.
B
I
just
have
one
and
I
guess
it's
not
a
question,
but
it
is.
I
know
at
one
point
we
mentioned
that
we
were
going
to
ask
the
code
enforcement
officers
to
inform
the
residents
that
there
are
grants
available
to
assist
them
with
some
of
these
code
violations.
Do
we
know
if
that's
being
done?
I.
F
B
Right
but
but
because
the
public
is
not
aware
of
the
grants
that
are
available
through
cra
to
rectify
some
of
these
code
violations,
we'd
ask
the
code
enforcement
officers
when
they
go
to
write
the
violations
or
to
cite
them
if
they
would
inform
them.
I
thought
was
going
to
come
up
some
kind
of
flyer
that
they
can
be
presented
so
that
they
would
know
that
there
are
funds
available
that
could
assist
them
in
some
of
these
violations
that
they
may
have.
A
M
They
typically
have
to
get
three
quotes
for
materials
and
that
that's
usually
the
hard
thing
it's
like
comparing
apples
to
apples.
You
know
if
it's,
if
it's
painting
and
it
takes
five
gallons
to
paint
a
house
and-
and
you
know
usually
that's
like
probably
you
know
five
or
six
brushes
rollers
the
you
know
we
we
would
pay
for
all
that
for
the
through
the
cra.
It
would
probably
if
that
stuff
came
in,
I
can
process
the
application,
probably
within
about
three
or
four
days
so.
A
A
S
S
F
F
If
I'm
caught
speeding
in
a
rental
car
I
get
the
ticket
not
hurts,
but
if
I
so,
but
if
the
car
has
a
violation,
hertz
gets
cited,
not
me,
so
that's
so
that
would
probably
be
that
because
it's
personal
to
the
person
committing
the
violation
and
it's
tied
to
the
property
where
the
violation
is
being
committed.
But
the
citation
provides
that
it
is
a
mechanism
to
really
go
after
the
actual
person
committing
the
citation.
So
this
again
we'll
evaluate
the
code
to
see
which
provisions
of
the
code
are
more
applicable
to
enforcement.
F
By
citation
I
mean,
sometimes
it
could
be
just
as
easy
as
overgrown
lawns
or
improper,
improper
yeah,
abandoned
cars
or
such
those
things
I
mean,
but
we'll
we'll
sit
down
and
study,
which
ones
are,
are
the
best
ones,
the
easiest
way
to
enforce
them,
and
then
yes,
they'll
be
tied
to
the
individual.
So
if
they
fail
to
pay
the
the
the
citation,
then
it's
the
same
as
failing
to
pay
a
parking
ticket,
then
you'll
you'll
proceed
for
further
enforcement.
There,
then
it
will
at
that
point.
AB
Again,
sylvester
hall
39
and
we're
in
rolling
hills
lane,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
caught
up
to
speed.
As
I
say,
I
was
cruising
my
last
city
council
meeting
now
when
we
say
code
enforcement
citation
program
shouldn't
we
already
have
one.
Is
this
a
new
program?
F
F
We
had
a
standard
code
enforcement
program
with
a
notice
of
violation
opportunity
to
correct
the
violation
being
heard
before
the
code
enforcement
special
magistrate.
Failure
to
do
so
will
operate
a
daily
fine,
daily
finds
not
still
taken
care
of
that
becomes
a
lien
on
the
property.
That's
the
standard
code
enforcement
violation.
This
is
an
alternative.
It
hasn't
been
adopted
till
now.
Code
enforcement
believes
this
may
be
an
effective
and
efficient
means
to
address
certain
violations
that
don't
have
to
necessarily
clog
the
docket
of
the
code
enforcement
special
magistrate.
AB
AB
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at,
we
are
talking
about
annexing
south
apopka
and
the
biggest
thing
is
code
violations
that
they're
gonna
be
faced
with,
and
so
I'm
just
bringing
it
to
you
like
now
I'll
do
more
research,
but
this
is
something
that
we
should
already
had
in
place.
We
should
have
been
already
been
enforcing
for
years,
not
just
something
coming
up
right
now,.
A
F
Code
enforcement
officers
right
now,
the
state
allows
for
two
different
methods
of
enforcement,
but
in
order
to
have
to
undertake
the
alternative,
which
is
issuing
a
ticket
code
enforcement
officers
now
cannot
issue
a
ticket.
It's
a
I
mean
we'll.
Have
it's
literally
like
a
speeding
ticket
like
a
parking
ticket?
They
don't
have
that
authority.
F
Now
they
have
the
authority
to
issue
notices
of
violation,
but
that
alternate
it
just
hasn't
been
adopted
till
now
in
order
to
allow
them
to
issue
tickets
for
certain
violations,
but
they
do
have
the
authority
today
right
now
to
go
and
issue
notice
of
violations
for
other,
it's
a
more
immediate.
A
notice
of
violation
requires
30
days
to
clean
up
to
clean
the
property.
Before
you
get
a
hearing
this
is
you
see
the
violation
you
write
them
a
ticket.
F
AB
This
is
my
whole
problem
with
everything
this
is
not
rocket
scientist.
This
should
have
been
done
initially
when
you
have
a
cold,
a
co
code
enforcement
program,
how
you
gonna
have
any
quote:
unquote
teeth
in
it.
If
you
can't
issue
a
citation,
how
people
are
gonna
respond
to
you,
if
you
can't
issue
a
citation,
this
should
have
been
done
when
the
program
was
first
created.
These
are
the
type
of
things
that
frustrate
me.
AB
A
Anybody
else
want
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2932
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So.
A
D
J
J
That
page
54
of
the
page
87
pages
of
the
subordinates
there
was
one
little
typo
there
that
we,
instead
of
using
7824
code
of
ordinance
of
city
of
apopka
dep,
recommends
that
we
use
more
stringent,
which
is
62-255-200
florida
administrative
code.
That's
the
only
thing,
that's
different!
It's
just
a
little
more
stringent
to
be
able
to
hold
categorical
users
accountable.
A
D
F
F
This
is
part
of
that
process
of
beginning
to
move
the
actual
rates
themselves
from
the
code
to
resolutions
in
order
to
allow
for
the
efficient
amendment
of
the
amounts
as
they
they
come
on
board.
What
has
also
been
added
when
reviewing
other
rules
and
regulations
of
fire
departments
throughout
other
municipalities
surrounding
municipalities.
F
We
also
created
the
authorization
for
the
fire
department
to
charge
fees
for
inspection,
re-inspection
or
the
other
ones.
It
was
inspections,
re-inspections,
plan
reviews
and
permits.
So
the
way
this
is
going
to
be
structured,
this
is
the
first
reading
which
we're
removing
the
language.
That's
there
and
it's
just
no.
Now
the
language
is
just
an
authorization.
F
This
item
will
be
brought
forward
for
second
reading
after
second
reading.
The
an
accompanying
resolution
with
the
adopted
fee
schedule
for
2022-23
will
be
presented
to
you
for
adoption,
so
it'll
be
seamless
once
this
ordinance
takes
effect.
The
rates
that
are
in
the
ordinance
now
will
be
deleted,
but
the
rates
will
immediately
take
effect
upon
adoption
of
the
of
the
resolution
that
second
reading
after
second
reading.
I'm
sorry,
if
you
have
any.
E
A
F
Fee
schedule
that
will
establish
that
right,
it'll
be
similar
to
our
wastewater
fees.
Our
last
year
we
did
the
wastewater,
we
did
our
wastewater
fees
and
we
did
our
water
fees.
We
had
four
schedules
that
were
adopted
by
resolution
last
year
and
those
are
on
the
utilities
website,
so
these
will
will
also
will
then
be
on
the
fire
department's
website
or
any
other
finance
web,
whichever
pro
I'm
going
to
defer
to
the
departments
and
to
it
as
to
which
website
it
will
go
to,
but
they
will
be
published
on
the
website.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions.
Anybody
from
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
if
not
we'll
close,
the
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2939
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption
so
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velazquez.
Second,
it's,
like
my
commissioner
nesta
all
those
in
favor.
D
E
Okay,
let
me
see
well,
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
really
give
the
attention
to
that.
We
saturday
sounds.
We
did
with
motown,
which
was
really
a
great
turnout
and
a
lot
of
fun
and
at
11
15
tonight.
It's
you
know,
that's
it
for
me.
That's
all
you're
going
to
get
today
for
me
all.
B
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
time
I
heard
the
attorneys
say
that
it's
not
going
to
make
rules
or
laws,
but
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
do
something
in
reference
to
the
backflow
that
mr
olsen
continues
to
come
and
remind
us
and
bring
it
to
our
attention
that
our
staff,
please
take
a
look
at
that
and
then,
in
reference
to
the
summary
of
the
public
comments.
B
Whatever
direction
needs
to
be
done
to
make
that
happen,
we
need
to
look
at
that
as
well,
and
then.
Lastly,
we
will
be
having
emancipation
day,
recognition
on
friday
here
at
city
hall,
on
the
steps
beginning
at
six
o'clock,
and
so
we
invite
the
public
to
come
out
and
join
us
on
friday
at
six
clock
for
emancipation
day
in
the
state
of
florida.
D
D
I
I'll
get
through
my
list,
real
quick
hope.
Everyone
had
a
great
mother's
day
celebration.
We
also
a
few
of
us
attended
the
best
foot
forward
program
with
the
police
department.
I
thought
that
was
a
really
cool
fun
program.
I
I
learned
about
making
sure
that
everyone's
safe
and
cautious
when
crossing
crosswalks
met
with
habitat
for
humanity
last
week
yeah
last
week,
and
they
have
some
really
cool
plans
coming
up
this
fiscal
year,
their
fiscal
year
start
fiscal
year
starts
july
1st,
so
they
have
some
cool
things
in
the
works
and
hoping
we
get
to
partner
with
them.
We
attended
the
family,
mental
health
and
wellness
resource
event,
hosted
at
the
john
bridges
center
and
organized
by
the
apopka
area,
chamber
of
commerce.
I
So
great
event,
looking
forward
to
that
one
next
year
to
echo
commissioner
smith
emancipation
day
being
celebrated
or
observed
on
friday,
the
20th
at
6
pm
that
morning
at
6
30,
we
have
sprouts
opening
so
that's
exciting.
Next
week
we
have
the.
A
I
Yes,
next
week
we
have
a
high
school
in
apopka
high
school
graduation.
So
that's
exciting.
I
wanted
to
bring
attention
that
I've
had
some
some
residents
bring
to
my
attention
that
there's
no
infants
or
baby
changing
stations
at
the
amphitheater
restrooms
and
the
female
or
male
side.
So
we're
working
on
that
just
to
get
an
update
and-
and
I
could
be
wrong
here-
the
apopka
annexation
workshop
was
that
ever
in
the
talks
is
that
coming.
A
A
To
get
edward
back,
he
he
under
the
mayor's
report.
I
Sure
yep
gotcha,
commissioner
smith.
Last
week
you
spoke
about
affordable
housing.
Is
there
anything
I
don't
know?
Is
there
anything
new
that
we
can
do
with
that?
We
kind
of
need
a
right
now
fix
and
we
need
a
future
fix,
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
working
on
that
or
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
about
that
work
and
got
a
couple.
Things
were
cool
and
then
also
there
was
a
mention
of
diversity
and
inclusion.
I
Commission
didn't
know
if
we
were
jumping
on
that
or
any
reference,
and
there
were
three
there's
five
pieces
that
people
programs
policies,
partnerships.
What
was
the
fifth
one.
I
B
All
right,
oh
mayor,
I
did
fail
to
mention
prior
to
coming
to
the
council
meeting
tonight.
I
I
did
go
to
public
high
school
and
issued
a
thousand
dollar
scholarship
to
one
of
the
graduates
from
apopka
high
school,
the
123
scholarship.
B
A
That's
awesome.
That's
awesome,
good
enough
under
city
administrators
report.
A
couple
things
one
is
edward
is
back
in
the
office
not
looking
to
see
everybody,
but
he's
he's
out
there
he's
grinding
away
now,
so
he
wanted
to
let
let
everybody
know
that
july.
18Th,
19th
and
20
will
be
our
budget
workshops.
A
The
19th
will
be
public
services.
AD
A
E
A
Okay,
michael
anything,
are
you
oh.
F
No
actually,
the
brief
update
and
I
think,
when
speaking
of
the
code
enforcement,
they
were
shocked
that
this
might
actually
be
the
first
time
this
has
ever
occurred.
But
today
circuit
court
issued
an
or
a
final
judgment
of
foreclosure
for
one
of
our
code
enforcement
liens
for
the
property
located
at
3902
greenock
court.
This
one's
in
rock
springs
ridge.
F
So
the
court
has
set
a
foreclosure
sale
date
of
june
21st
and
that,
at
that
point,
we'll
see
what
happens
at
the
online
auction.
But
the
the
final
judgment
I'll
try
to
think
off
the
top
of
my
head.
But
I
think
we
obtained
a
final
judgment
in
the
amount
of
232
thousand
dollars.
F
So
the
procedure
now
is.
It
goes
to
an
online
auction
as
if
as
if
this
is
equivalent
of
a
mortgage
foreclosure.
F
If
somebody
bids
above
the
price
of
the
the
foreclosure
judgment,
the
city
gets
the
amount
of
its
judgment,
which
is
232
000,
which
covers
the
code
enforcement
lien,
as
well
as
our
costs
to
bring
the
action,
our
attorney's
fees
in
bringing
the
action
and
then
the
other
costs
that
incurred
by
the
city.
F
For
that,
and
if
it
goes
to
a
third
party,
then
the
property
is
sold
and
someone
else
will
have
it
to
do
as
they
please
with
it.
F
F
If
it
is
sold
for
less
than
we
will
still
get
the
amount
that
it's
sold
for
as
part
of
our
judgment
in
theory,
what
you
have
is
similar
to
a
mortgage
foreclosure.
You
would
have
been
a
deficiency.
F
F
So
if
whatever
we
get,
we
get
and
that's
just
going
to
be
a
bonus.
The
key
is,
hopefully
we
get
somebody
in
there
who's
going
to
take
titles
to
the
property
clean
it
up
and
maintain
it,
and
now
you're
going
to
have
a
a
viable,
attractive
property
and
you're
going
to
have
a
neglectful
owner
who's
been
finally
removed.
F
The
pro
the
property
owner
is,
it's
a
trust,
dudley,
burrell
trust.
They
were
defaulted,
they
never,
they
never
filed
a
responsive
pleading.
They
have
been
sent
all
the
documentation.
We
have
never
received
a
single
reply
from
them.
The
trustee
actually
reside.
The
address
for
the
trust
is
in
kankakee
illinois.
So
it's
it's
a.
It
appears
to
be
a
complete
absent
landowner.
E
N
A
E
But
how
does
that
affect
the
staff
I
mean?
Are
they
will
they
be
ready
for
the
presentation
because
I
think
we'll
be
we're.
E
A
E
G
A
B
N
E
F
Council
meeting
is
going
to
happen
on
the
20th
too.
Well,
the
rest
of
the
departments
I
think
they're
allotted
I
mean
the
legal
department
doesn't
take
that
long
to
go
through
there,
but
most
of
the
rest
of
the
departments
are
are
not
going
to
be
that
complex
and
time
consuming,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
other
departments.
I
think
that's
the
way
it's
it's.
It's
spread
out,
based
on
the
the
amount
to
be
discussed.
E
A
All
right
mayor's
report
well,
first
off
just
some
some
bad
news
is
we
had
a
couple
of
folks
down
at
public
safety,
public
services
this
tonight
and
one
of
our
garbage
trucks
blew
up.
I
don't.
D
A
And
the
next
truck
to
it
blew
up
and
the
next
truck
to
it
blew
up.
So
we
lost
three
garbage
trucks
at
about
5
30
tonight,
and
thanks
to
our
our
our
fire
department
and
all
the
trucks
and
every
hose
we
had
in
the
city,
we
were
able
to
put
it
out
before
it
got
to.
It
could
have
gone
right
on
down
the
line
and
got
knocked
us
all
out.
So
josh
robinson,
who
runs
our
sanitation
department,
has
already
got
one
ordered
from
tampa
to
to
replace
one
of
them.
A
He
was
scrambling
thought
there
was
one
somewhere
around
here
that
he
could
get
so
we
can
get
two
we'll
be
we
can
limp
by.
But
you
know
there
we're
you
know
a
year
back
order
on
getting
them.
So
anyway,
we
don't
know
what
the
cause
was.
We
we
we
ventured
to
say
it's
either
either
the
cng
gas
leak
or
or
something
that
like
a
piece
of
paper
or
something
that
got
onto
the
the
stack
that
the
exhaust
stack,
that
smoldered
and
finally
caught
on
fire
that
so
we
don't
know
yet.
A
I
will
guess.
They'll
start
chief,
we'll
start
tomorrow,
really
trying
to
analyze
what
happened
so
anyway.
Just
want
to
let
everybody
know
I
mean
everything's.
Nobody
was
hurt,
just
lost
three
three
garbage
trucks:
okay,.
D
A
A
We
we
want
to
give
them
up
to
0.5
milli
million
gallons
per
day,
and
you
know
when
we
fully
implemented
up
to
about
3
million
gallons
a
day.
Well,
they
had
a
pump
go
down
within
their
within
the
municipality
and
they
were
they
were.
They
were
burning
up
yards
because
they
didn't
have
any
any
water
to
to
send
to
reclaim.
So
I
asked
our
team
to
you
know:
try
to
get
something
out.
We
weren't
expecting
they
were
talking
about
next
year
as
they
wanted
the
water
and
all
of
a
sudden.
A
They
call
us
and
need
it
immediately.
Well,
they
had
a
couple
things
that
that
weren't
working
between
us
and
them,
and
but
we
finally
got
everything
up
and
up
and
running
and
we've
given
them
about
250,
000
gallons
to
date.
So
we
are
we
we
stuck.
You
know
our
public
services
team
jumped
right
out.
You
know
in
front
of
this
this
issue
and
and
got
them
water
when
they,
when
they
were
in
desperate
need
of
it.
A
So
thanks
to
the
team
out
there
that
you
know
were
able
to
jump
through
hoops
to
make
that
happen.
Saturday
night
sound
concert
series
discussion.
Let
me
just
I
want
to
throw
this
out
really
quickly
going
into
next
next
fall,
we've
got
the
dilemma
for
us.
Is
we've
got
right
now,
it's
all
free
concerts.
We
had
one
that
was,
that
was
a
paid
event,
which
was
the
international
jazz
fest.
A
So
what
we've
got
to
decide
is:
do
we
allow
paid
concerts
to
be
to
be
that
we
would
host
them,
but
they
would.
That
would
be
obviously
ticketed
or
do
we
do
to
let
anybody
come
in
and
and
ticket
do
we
maybe
take
two
weeks
for
free
concerts,
so
we've
got
four
pretty
five,
pretty
big
ones
that
that
want
to
come.
A
So
so
the
question
which
we'll
we
need
to
bring
up
next
next
commission
like
to
get
a
vote
on
it,
because
we
need
to
let
dargan
watch,
who
is
the
guy
who's
who's,
put
all
of
our
our
musical
program
together.
He
just
needs
to
know
what
we
want
to
do.
Do
we
want
to
do
save
two
weeks
every
month
for
free
concerts?
Do
we
wanted
to
say
we
need
to
get
if
we
wanted
to
just
fill
every
weekend?
A
Every
saturday
night
we'd
probably
need
to
give
him
at
least
eight
and
he'd
prefer
12
weeks
notice
that
hey
I've
got
an
open
week
out.
We
don't
have
a.
We
don't
have
a
paid
concert
coming
in
so
kind
of
think
how
you
want
to
do
that,
and
just
so.
You
know
that
last
year
our
we
budgeted
195
000
for
all
all
saturday
sounds
including
the
philharmonic
so
think
about
how
we
want
to.
We
want
to
structure
that
do
we.
You
know
two
weeks
a
month
free
concerts.
A
Do
we
just
say
we're
going
to
try
to
hold
up
until
close
as
we
can
and
then
bring
in
a
free
concert.
If
we
don't
have
somebody
that
wants
to
book
the
amphitheater
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
positive
buzz
over
the
year
that
that
people
now
are
starting
to
say,
you
know
what
I
want
to
have
a
concert
out
there.
So
I
think
it's
so
if
we
want
to
have
more
paid
venues,
I
think
we
can.
We
can
get
there.
So
just
think
about
that.
So.
E
Now,
throughout
the
year
I
had
said
to
then
brian
foreman,
some
suggestions
of
different
musical
groups
that
different
people
have
had
gone
to
all
saturday
sounds
and
said:
hey,
you
know.
We
have
this
group
that
you
know
we
feel
that
would
fill
this
amphitheater
so
who
do
we?
I
mean
now
that
brian's
gone?
Where
does
those
suggestions
go.
A
So
radley
would
be
the
point,
and
carolyn
has
just
kind
of
helps
him
with
that.
But
but
we'll
we'll
come
back
and
so
just
think
about
it.
We
just
you
know
the
next
council
meeting.
Would
love
to
go.
You
know,
kind
of
at
least
come
up
with
a
plan
is
how
we
want
to
move
forward,
even
though
you
know
budget
doesn't
start
until
october.
1St
I'd
like
you
know,
I
need
to
let
dargan
watts
know
hey
here's
kind
of
where
the
council
wants
us
to
take
this.
A
So
just
think
about
how
we
do
that
sprouts,
grand
opening
everybody's
6
45
on
friday
and.
N
A
You
go,
you
know
just
the
prayer,
breakfasts
and
noon
service
were
great
events.
I
mean
I
couldn't
have
been
more
proud
of
of
the
christian
ministerial
alliance
and
you
know
what
they
put
on
for
us
and
then
last
but
not
least,
we're
looking
for
applicants
for
the
planning
commission.
So
if
you've
got
any
thoughts
on
planning,
commission
person
would
like
to
look
at
people
that
aren't
areas
that
aren't
represented
would
be
you
know
we
just
don't
want
to
get
too
too
geographically
concentrated.
A
So,
if
you
can,
you
know-
and
I
I'll
be
happy
to
get
jim
won't-
you
send
out
the
the
center
map
of
where
the
commissioners
we
are.
The
planning
folks
are
currently.