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From YouTube: Apopka Public Workshop: South Apopka Annexation
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This meeting will be held on Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6 PM in Apopka City Council Chambers.
To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
B
That's
assumed
attitude
of
Prayer,
most
Graces
almighty
God,
our
Father.
We
come
once
again
to
say
thank
you
for
the
minute
blessing
God
bestowed
upon
us.
Thank
you,
Father
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
service
of
this
community.
We
pray
up
in
the
father
that
you
will
lead
us
and
guide
us
tonight
in
this
Workshop
that
all
that
we
shall
say
and
do
be,
pleasing
and
acceptable
in
your
sight
and
thus
in
Jesus
name.
We
pray,
amen,
amen.
A
Right
well,
we're
gonna
just
kind
of
give
you
the
discussion.
I've
got
seven
and
then
items
we'll
go
through
them
and
then,
if
there's
any
public
comment,
we'll
wait
till
the
end,
we'll
start
out
with
the
annexation
process
by
Michael
Rodriguez
annexation
area
by
Jim,
hit
Police
Department
chief
McKinley
Fire
Department,
chief
wylam
Parks
and
Rec
Radley
Williams
public
services
do
budo
and
kind
of
a
final
wrap
up
on
the
financial
forecast,
Edward
Bass.
E
E
I
think
we've
all
committed
to
people
who
have
brought
up
those
concerns,
or
those
desires
to
speak
on
this
in
a
very
formal
and
purposeful
manner,
and
that's
really
the
intent
of
today's
conversation.
I
think
the
idea
of
annexation
has
gotten
legs
in
terms
of
people's
interpretation
of
what
we're
actually
talking
about
this
evening,
but
from
my
personal
point
of
view
and
I
welcome
mothers
to
chime
in.
But
really
this
is
all
about
fact-finding.
E
You
know
it's
not
a
heavy
fisted
action
by
the
city
of
Apopka
to
say
you
will
be
annexed
into
the
city
of
Apopka,
we're
not
there.
Yet.
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
to
understand
the
facts
of
the
benefits
of
doing
something
like
this,
the
cost
of
doing
so.
What
that
means
to
the
people
impacted
by
any
decisions
that
we
make
here
as
a
council.
So
that's
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
why
we're
here
before
we
just
kind
of
jump
right
into
it.
So
at
least
that's
from
my
perspective.
A
F
D
So
I'd
say
I
was
going
to
describe
the
legal
framework
for
annexation.
Annexation
can
only
really
take
place.
Well,
let
me
start.
Annexation
is
an
authorization.
That's
only
granted
by
the
legislature
and
under
Florida
law
properties
can
be
annexed
by
cities
only
as
per
the
legislature
has
determined.
D
So
there
are
various
different
types
of
annexation
that
are
that
are
done
under
statutory
framework,
I'm
going
to
go
over
all
of
them
and
then
at
this
point
the
discussion
can
further
as
to
which
is
going
to
be
any
potential
or
future
applicable
annexation
for
the
subject
area
that
is
presented
here
today.
So
the
first
item,
the
first
type
of
annexation
is
actually
what's
probably
the
most
popular
form
of
annexation
in
the
State
of
Florida
and
that's
voluntary
annexation.
D
Voluntary
annexation
is
prescribed
by
section
171-044,
Florida
Statutes,
and
it
occurs
when
an
owner
owners
a
real
property
in
an
unincorporated
area
of
the
county,
which
is
contiguous
to
a
municipality
and
reasonably
compact,
May
petition,
the
governing
body
of
sub
municipality
that
said,
property
the
annexed
to
the
municipality.
I
know
that's
that's
legalese,
but
that
is
the
Florida
Statutes
language
for
annexation.
Basically,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
I
am
an
owner
of
a
piece
of
property,
my
property,
abutz
city
property,
so
I'm
in
the
county,
I
have
a
lot.
D
One
of
the
boundaries
of
my
lot
is
on
another
lot
that
lot
Falls
within
the
city.
I.
Can
then,
as
the
property
owner
petition
and
apply
for
annexation
to
the
city.
The
city,
then,
must
take
into
consideration
the
legal
criteria
for
the
annexing
of
that
property.
This
annexation
is
initiated
by
the
property
owner,
not
by
the
city.
That's
why
it's
voluntary
annexation,
I
the
property
owner,
have
voluntarily
chosen
to
be
part
of
the
city
to
leave
the
county
and
be
part
of
the
city.
D
The
separation
of
the
territory
sought
to
be
annexed
from
the
annexing
municipality
by
a
publicly
known
park
right
away
or
for
a
highway
road,
railroad,
Canal
or
utility,
or
a
body
of
water,
water
course
or
other
minor
geographical
division
of
a
similar
nature.
Running
parallel
with
and
between
the
territories
sought
to
be
annexed
and
the
annexy
municipality
shall
not
prevent
annexation
under
this
act.
Plainly
speak
if
I
own
a
lot,
there's
a
canal
between
me
and
a
lot
on
the
other
side
I'm
in
the
county.
D
D
Then
the
other
main
factor
is
that
it'd
be
compact,
basically
that
it
be
one
genuine.
It's
almost
you
know.
Self-Explanatory
compact
means
concentration
of
a
piece
of
property
in
a
single
area
and
precludes
any
action
which
would
create
enclaves,
Pockets
or
finger
area
or
finger
areas
in
a
serpentine
pattern.
Any
annexation
preceding
any
in
any
county
in
the
state
shall
be
designated
this
I'm
sorry
designed
in
such
a
manner
as
to
ensure
the
area
will
be
reasonably
Compact,
and
that
comes
from
section
171.03112,
Florida
Statutes.
D
D
That's
that
stretch
out,
so
you
have
a
core
long
line
of
lots,
another
big
core-
or
maybe,
if
the
other
best
visually
way
to
describe
it
as
an
aerial
shot
of
Orlando,
International
Airport
with
the
terminal
and
all
the
air
sides.
The
courts
try
to
discourage
cities
from
looking
that
way,
and
you
want
to
have
a
compact
form
of
growth
so
that
a
city
is
compact,
contiguous
and
that
is
the
rate
of
development
out
from
there.
D
So
voluntary
annexation
involves
an
application
to
the
city
in
to
reference
the
servitic
matter
of
our
Workshop
today
and
to
clarify
any
type
of
misconceptions
that
have
been
raised
that
I
have
seen
on
social
media.
There
is
no
policy
of
the
city
of
Apopka
that
properties
in
South
Apopka
today
are
ineligible
for
voluntary
annexation.
None
doesn't
exist
if
a
property
owner
in
South
Apopka
has
a
piece
of
property
that
meets
the
legal
criteria
and
it's
the
statutory
criteria.
The
city
of
Apopka
is
actually
prohibited
from
establishing
its
own
criteria
under
state
law.
D
Only
the
state
can
determine
the
criteria
for
voluntary
annexation
if
a
property
meets
that
criteria
and
the
property
owner
submits
an
application
and
the
property
is
contiguous
and
Compact,
and
the
county
does
not
object
to
that
annexation.
The
process
will
move
forward
for
such
a
property
to
be
voluntarily
annexed.
D
D
The
first
step
is
that
the
city
will
adopt
an
ordinance
proposing
to
Annex
an
area
of
contiguous
compact,
unincorporated
territory,
and
it
shall
be
adopted
by
the
city
council
pursuant
to
section
166041,
which
is
the
standard,
statutory
authorization
for
the
Drafting
and
Adoption
of
ordinances.
Prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
ordinance
of
annexation,
the
city
council
shall
hold
at
least
two
advertised
public
hearings.
The
first
public
hearing
shall
be
on
a
weekday
at
least
seven
days
after
the
day
of
the
first
advertisement
is
published.
D
The
second
public
hearing
shall
be
held
on
the
weekday
at
least
five
days
after
the
day.
The
second
advertisement
is
published.
Each
such
ordinance
shall
propose
only
one,
reasonable
compact
area
to
be
annexed.
However,
prior
to
the
ordinance
of
annexation
becoming
effective,
a
referendum
annexation
shall
be
held
and,
if
approved
by
the
referendum,
the
ordinance
shall
become
effective
10
days
after
the
referendum
or
is
otherwise
provided
in
the
ordinance,
but
no
more
than
one
year
following
the
date
of
the
referendum.
D
D
D
The
referendum
on
annexation
shall
be
held
at
the
next
get
readily
scheduled
election
following
the
final
adoption
of
the
ordinance
of
annexation
by
the
city
council
or
at
a
special
election
called
for
the
purpose
of
holding
the
referendum.
However,
the
referendum,
whether
held
at
a
regularly
scheduled
election
or
at
a
special
election,
shall
not
be
held
sooner
than
30
days
following
the
final
adoption
of
the
ordinance
by
the
city
council.
D
So
the
city
shall
publish
the
notice
of
the
referendum
on
annexation
at
least
once
each
week,
so
there's
notice
requirements
for
notifying
the
public
of
the
referendum
vote
on
the
day
of
the
referendum
on
annexation.
They
also
be
prominently
displayed
at
each
polling
place,
a
copy
of
the
ordinance
and
a
description
of
the
property
proposed
to
be
annexed.
The
description
shall
be
by
needs
and
Bounds
and
shall
include
a
map
clearly
showing
such
area
and
I
mean
that
the
statue
gets
into
nitty-gritty,
which
means
the
ballot
will.
D
D
If
there
is
a
majority
vote
against
annexation,
the
ordinance
shall
not
become
effective,
and
the
area
proposed
to
be
annexed
shall
not
be
the
subject
of
an
annexation
ordinance
by
the
annexy
municipality.
For
a
period
of
two
years
from
the
date
of
the
referendum
on
annexation,
this
interpretation
means
if
the
vote
is
only
put
to
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
and
a
majority
of
those
residents
elect
to
be
annexed,
then
the
annexation
ordinance
becomes
effective.
D
So
if
South
and
I
think
I
believe
historically
the
last
vote,
South
Apopka
voted
against
the
city
of
Apopka
voted
for,
in
which
annexation
failed.
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
don't
hold
me
to
that.
It
was
before
my
time
arriving
here,
so
you
need
to
have
a
majority
vote
from
both
groups.
If
the
election
is
placed
to
both
groups,
I
mean.
D
D
D
Also,
a
statement
certifying
that
the
area
to
be
annexed
meets
the
criteria
of
170
1043,
which
is
the
contiguous
compact,
a
statement
setting
forth
the
plans
for
the
city
for
extending
to
the
area
to
be
annexed.
Each
major
Municipal
service
performed
within
the
municipality
at
the
time
of
annexation,
and
then
the
statute
provides
for
specific
requirements,
regarded
specific
details
within
the
plans
just
to
brush
quickly.
You
know
extending
Urban
Services,
the
extension
of
Municipal
Water
and
Sewer
Services
extension
of
major
trunk
water
mains
and
Sewer
mains.
D
These
have
to
be
included
in
this
report,
not
fewer
than
15
days
prior
to
commencing
the
annexation
procedures
set
forth
above
city
has
to
file
a
copy
of
this
report
with
Orange
County
failure
to
timely
file.
The
report
may
be
the
basis
for
a
cause
of
action
in
validating
the
annexation,
and
the
city
shall
not
less,
shall
not
less
than
10
days
prior
to
the
date
set
forth
of
public
hearing
on
the
annexation,
ordinance
mail,
a
written
notice
to
each
person
who
resides
or
owns
property
within
the
area
to
be
annexed.
D
That
notice
will
describe
the
MIT
annexation
proposal,
the
time
and
place
for
each
public
hearing
to
be
held
regarding
the
annexation
and
the
place
or
places
within
the
municipality
where
the
proposed
ordinance
may
be
inspected
by
the
public.
Copy
of
the
notice
must
be
kept
available
for
public
inspection
during
the
regular
business
hours
of
the
city
clerk.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
process
for
annexation
by
the
city
and
I
don't
want
to
call
it
involuntary
annexation,
because
the
residents
have
a
say
one
way
or
another,
so
you're
not
you're,
not
involuntary
annexing.
D
There
is
a
third
method
for
annexation.
I.
Do
this
as
background
just
to
clarify
to
the
public
the
different
types
of
annexation.
This
type
of
annexation
is
not.
Let
me
rephrase
that
South
Apopka
is
not
eligible
for
this
criteria
of
annexation,
which
is
called
Enclave
annexation,
Enclave
annexation
is,
is
an
attempt
on
the
part
of
the
legislature
to
allow
cities
to
close
off.
What
are
enclaves
within
its
boundaries
best
way
to
describe
an
enclave
is
basically
a
hole
image.
D
Just
imagine
swiss
cheese
and
the
hole
in
the
Swiss
cheese
is
unincorporated
completely
surrounded
by
Incorporated
area.
So
there
is
a
method
to
allow
for
cities
to
Annex
those
enclaves,
usually
it's
by
interlocal
agreement
with
the
county
to
basically
close
off
these
holes
within
the
city.
But
there
are
specific
criteria
that
have
to
be
followed.
It's
mainly
that
The
Enclave
has
to
be
110
acres
or
less.
D
It
has
to
be
a
legal
Enclave.
So
the
reason
why
South
Apopka
doesn't
fall
into
this
category
is
one
it's
larger
than
110
acres
and
two,
it's
actually
not
a
legal
Enclave,
because
I
think
on
the
southern
end,
it's
it's
still
all
unincorporated
South
Apopka
is
not
surrounded
by
the
city
of
the
pop
on
all
four
sides.
D
There
also
aren't
any
enclaves
within
the
area
that
could
fall
under
this
criteria.
That
would
allow
for
an
interlocal
agreement
between
the
county
and
the
City
to
proceed
forward
with
annexations
in
this
manner.
Now,
practically
speaking
when
these
Antics,
these
Enclave
annexations
and
I've,
worked
on
these
in
the
past
and
other
jurisdictions
involve
various
meetings
with
the
city,
both
both
sitting,
the
county
will
then
have
public
hearings
and
adopt
adopt
the
interlocal
agreement.
D
You
know
local
agreement
will
outline
the
areas
of
of
the
county
that
are
going
to
be
annexed,
so
the
enclaves
are
going
to
be
annexed.
These
agreements
will
also
then
detail
the
proper
transfer
of
authority
and
jurisdiction
or
rights
away,
and
there
is
a
specific
statutory
provision
for
the
transfer
of
right-of-ways,
in
which
you
have
to
follow
that
procedure
in
order
for,
in
this
case,
a
city
right
away
to
be
transferred
over
to
sorry
County
right
away
to
be
transferred
over
to
a
city.
D
It's
almost
like
you're,
deeding
property
from
one
entity
to
the
other.
So
a
lot
of
times
these
agreements,
both
local
governments,
will
come
to
an
accord
as
to
whether
a
lot
of
times
the
biggest
bonus
contention
is
that
a
County
right
away
is
or
a
County
Street
is
not
up
to
the
standards
of
the
city.
D
So
one
of
the
conditions
of
the
agreement
is
that
the
county
has
to
bring
the
roads
to
the
city
standards
before
the
city
will
agree
to
take
them,
but
these
agreements
also
go
into
the
details
of
when
the
transfer
of
solid
waste
will
go
from
County
to
city
and
other
utilities
get
transferred
from
County
to
city.
But
it's
all
there.
Both
parties
enter
into
the
local
agreement
once
that
in
the
local
agreement
is
adopted
by
both
governments.
Those
properties
are
then
annexed
into
the
City,
and
the
idea
is
that
enclaves
are
closed
off.
D
There's
a
final
fourth
method
and
that's
an
interlocal
service
boundary
agreement.
I
will
preface
this
by
saying
and
again
there
was
there
was
local
media.
Not
social
media
seem
to
hint
at
this
being
an
option
in
my
discussions
with
Orange
County
in
no
uncertain
terms,
the
response
back
from
Orange
County
in
dealing
with
an
eye
with
an
in
a
local
service
boundary
agreement
on
isba
is
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
Over
there
done
over
their
dead
bodies.
D
The
county
will
not
enter
into
Orange.
County
will
not
enter
into
your
local
Service
boundary
agreement.
They
will
not
enter
one
with
Apopka.
They
will
not
entertain
one
with
any
City
in
Orange
County.
Basically,
what
I
got
back
from
them
is
well.
If
we
give
you
one,
then
we
got
to
give
one
to
everybody.
D
I've
there
are,
as
was
noted
in
the
newspaper
article.
There
are
multiples
in
Volusia,
Lake
County
has
them
as
well.
They
outline
what
they
allow
when
an
isba
allows
a
local
government
to
do-
and
this
is
this-
this
is
all
within
an
agreement.
It
allows
for
properties
to
be
annexed
into
the
city,
and
this
is
the
only
statutory
exemption.
D
There
is
a
schedule
and
a
pattern
to
allow
for
the
annexation
of
the
properties.
If
you
want
to
see
an
example
of
this
in
action,
take
a
look
at
a
boundary
map
of
the
city
of
New,
Smyrna,
Beach,
there's
a
large
Western
portion
and
a
large
Eastern
portion,
and
the
middle
is
a
patchwork
checkerboard
of
properties
in
the
city
and
in
the
county,
but
there
have
been
an
agreements
have
been
set
to
allow
for
those
properties
to
eventually
become
annexed.
D
Certain
agreements
that
have
been
done
in
the
past
is
if
over
50
percent
of
the
Lots
on
a
road
have
agreed
to
be
annexed.
The
road
goes
to
the
city.
If
a
certain
percentage
of
of
lots
have
annexed
into
the
city,
the
city
will
take
over
Solid
Waste,
then
there's
timetables
which
allow
for
solid
waste
will
be
transferred
from
this
County
to
the
city.
On
this
date,
there's
also
giving
up
of
of
responsibilities
regarding
building
regarding
land
use,
zoning
and
they're.
E
D
Ispas
are
solely
it's
an
air,
it's
it's
like
an
inner
local
agreement,
so
these
are
the
votes
that
both
count,
both
city
council
and
the
County
Commission
in
order
to
adopt,
and
then
once
and
I.
If
there's
there's,
then
a
framework
and
it
didn't
go
into
the
details,
but
there
is
a
specific
framework
that
both
bodies
have
to
undertake
towards
the
end
result
of
adopting
an
isba.
D
D
With
a
voter's
registration
card
that
shows
you
live
in
that
Precinct,
then
you
are
the
voter.
If
your
property
owner
has
is
registered
to
vote
elsewhere,
then
that's
they.
You
know
you,
don't
landlords
aren't
going
to
come
out
from
all
over
the
place
to
come
in
and
be
eligible
to
vote.
The
way
I
believe
that
the
statute
is
provided
is
that
it's
the
eligible
electors,
okay,.
E
In
the
area
and
then
on,
The
Enclave
piece,
yeah
I
mean
maybe
a
legal
definition
that
it
doesn't
meet
the
the
the
test.
But
if
you
look
at
the
map,
I
mean
it
is
an
enclave.
I
mean
we've.
There
are
southern
there's
land
in
the
city
of
Apopka
that
aren't
on
the
southern
borders
of
South
Apopka,
that
on
a
map,
if
you
were
to
look
at
it,
it
is
pretty
much
surrounded
right.
D
E
D
H
A
D
Believe
that
the
way
that
the
statute
is
written-
and
it's
not
really
very
crystal
clear
but
the
way
I
read
the
statute-
is
it's
two
separate
areas,
so
it's
two
separate
votes
so
both
have
to
be
in
the
affirmative.
Both
have
to
be
in
the
affirmatives,
so
you
don't
get
to
tell
you,
don't
get
to
add
up
the
two
and
see
if
you've
got
a
majority.
You
need
two
separate
majority
votes.
Okay,
in
order
for
the
annexation
ordinance
to
be
adopted.
Okay.
I
So
when
we
got
started
with
this,
fortunately
Lake,
County
or
Orange
County
has
a
lot
of
good
data
that
was
available
in
order
to
create
the
the
PowerPoint.
For
this,
the
original,
the
we
had
to
start
at
one
point
was
creating
a
location
where
we
were
going
to
consider
salvapopca
for
the
annexation.
So
I
did
come
up
with
this
map,
Senate
to
Orange,
County
and
then
Orange
County
did
create
a
lot
of
the
data.
I
Well,
just
about
all
the
data
that
you
that
you'll
be
seeing
as
part
of
this
presentation,
but
basically
we're
looking
at
451
on
the
on
the
Eastern
side,
10th
Street,
on
the
North
side,
with
a
little
bit
of
a
jog
on
the
north
north
side
and
then
Sheila
road
is
kind
of
the
eastern
boundary,
and
then
that
goes
down
to
Keene
Road
on
the
South
Side.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
areas.
There
are
a
lot
of
little
compact
Enclave
areas
as
as
part
of
this
whole
area
and.
E
And
Mr
hit
this
is
this
is
the
exact
view
that
I
was
talking
about?
Yes,
that
proves
that
the
location
is
an
enclave,
it's
I
mean
yeah,
we
can
talk
semantics
to
say:
oh
there's
strips
that
are
County
or
what
have
you,
but
when
you
see
yellow
surrounding
all
the
white
areas,
right
that
to
me,
definitionally
meets
kind
of
my
smell
test
when
we're
talking
about
an
enclave,
correct.
E
Yeah
I'm
agreeing
that
option
three
definitionally
by
a
legal
standard
is
not
an
option.
That's
on
the
table,
but
I'm
just
saying
when
you
look
at
that
Optics
wise
and
the
majority
of
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
looking
at
this
are
lay
people
like
myself,
not
expert
in
what
this
is.
But
visually
speaking
that
looks
like
an
enclave
to
me.
It's
surrounded
right.
I
So
Orange
County,
fortunately
like
I
mentioned
they
they
did
take
the
original
map.
They
defined
it
a
little
bit
more
accurately
and
came
up
with
24
a
little
over
2
400
Acres
in
the
outlined
area.
Overall,
though,
there
are
2340
parcels
and
a
little
over
a
thousand
acres
that
are
unincorporated
within
that
this
defined
Blue
Area,
so
they
defined
it
down
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
farther
So
within
that
area.
This
is
again
the
the
orange
area,
the
Residential
Properties.
I
I
So
the
residential
breakdown,
there's
2185
built
units
and
there's
385
vacant
residential
lots.
The
taxable
value
on
all
of
this
is
213
million
dollars,
that's
the
taxable
value
and
the
assessed
taxes.
Overall,
taxes
are
3.5
million,
and
that
includes
all
of
the
taxes,
not
just
the
millage
rate
that
the
city
or
the
county
has
it's.
I
It's
the
msbus
also
so
there's
a
total
of
66
percent
total
acreage
with
95
taxable
value
in
the
area,
and
then
you
can
see
the
chart
below
shows
the
market
the
assessed
and
then
the
actual
tax
taxable
value
market
rate.
Those
are
this
is
one
of
those
items,
that's
kind
of
a
misnomer.
You
know
you
think
market
rate,
that's
what
you
can
sell
the
property
for.
Usually
it's
about
twice
that
the
the
actual
market
rate,
it's
a
formula
that
the
just
about
every
property
appraiser
uses.
I
Commercial
and
industrial
property
there's
not
a
lot
down
there.
It's
84
Acres
total.
It's
only
7.6
of
the
current
undeveloped
properties
is
currently
undeveloped
and
there's
nine
properties
which
are
6.4
Acres
combined.
It's
only
three
percent
of
the
total
taxable
value
of
the
property.
I'll
show
you
this
now.
E
I
I
I
I
E
G
I
So
for
the
land
use
itself,
this
is
a
you
know:
breakdown
again
the
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
we're
looking
at
a
a
little
over
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
of
taxes
that
are
generated
from
the
commercial
and
Industrial
compared.
You
know
compared
to
the
residential
portion.
It's
it's
like
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
I
And
again,
that's
overall
taxes.
This
is
just
a
difference
between
the
Orange
County
taxes,
the
unincorporated
and
Incorporated.
The
city
of
Apopka
for
a
number
of
years
was
the
overall
tax
tax
rate
was
actually
lower
than
what
it
was
in
the
county
over
the
course
of
the
last
10
15
years,
or
so.
The
millage
rate
is
0.1396
mils
higher
as
the
total
taxes
for
a
piece
of
property.
I
That's
that's,
including
all
of
the
all
of
the
taxes
that
are
that
are
generated
in
Orange,
County,
you've
got
the
Orange,
County
Fire
and
then
the
taxing
district,
which
is
typically
used
to
be
considered,
the
the
sheriff
those
two
taxes
and
in
themselves
it's
about
20,
of
the
total
tax
breakdown.
When
you
Annex
into
the
city,
those
two
are
taken
off
and
the
city
tax
is
added
on
which
is
21
so
there's
because
our
our
police
and
fire
taxes
are
covered
in
our
millage.
I
E
J
E
I
I
Institutional,
this
is
where
you
get
into
the
religious
or
government,
so
these
are
the
little
blocks
there.
It's
total
the
the
total
area
is
224.
Acres
is
characterized
by
that
which
is
about
one
percent
of
the
total
taxable
value
that
it's
in
there
most
of
the
properties
that
are
religious
or
governmental,
they're,
not
they're
non-taxable
anyway,
so
we
don't
get
any
taxes
out
of
those
entities,
but.
E
I
E
E
I
And
see
this
one:
okay,
63
Parcels
they're,
considered
a
government
institutional.
This
is
this,
includes
the
storm
Water
Management
areas,
conservation
or
is
a
utility
track.
So
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
areas,
but
a
lot
of
that
ends
up
being
the
stormwater
Management
areas
that
are
basically
basins.
Stormwater
ponds.
Things
like
that.
H
I
Versus
taxable
values:
this
is
one
of
those
that
that
we
were
alluding
to
all
along
with
the
predominantly
residentialers
2185
units,
it
represents
66
percent
of
the
annexation
area
and
but
95
percent
of
the
taxable
value.
So
this
the
overall
taxes
that
are
generated
from
the
the
residential
portion-
that's
about
30,
about
3.5
million
dollars
for
the
overall
taxes.
I
A
E
A
E
Yeah
I
mean
that
was
my
first
going
back
to
the
original
conversation
around
who
actually
votes
to
make
the
ultimate
decision,
because
my
thinking
was,
is
if,
if
the
businesses
do
have
to
pay
impact
fees,
things
like
that,
that's
a
could
be
a
very
punitive
decision
to
them.
If
the
residents
or
landowners
within
that
area
decide
to
Annex
and
they
have
no
say
in
the
matter,
so
I
just
I
want
to
get
that
clarification.
D
I
think
it
builds
clear
if
you've
got
a
business
who's
going
to
undertake
new
construction.
Lvl
they'll
be
paying
County
impact
fees
instead
of
City
Impact
fees,
they're
situated
they're
not
going
to
automatically
you're
entering
the
city,
you
got
to
catch
up
and
pay
us
impact
fees.
Impact
fees
are
usually
do
do
upon
any
type
of
construction
when
building
permits
are
issued.
So
a
business
owner,
if
they're
going
to
do
any
building,
if
there's
no
annexation,
they're
going
to
pay
those
fees
to
the
county.
D
If
the
annexation
goes
forward,
then
they'll
pay
them
to
the
city
either
way.
It's
not
a
fee
that
a
building
a
property
owner
a
business
owner
will
not
pay
they're
going
to
pay
it
one
way
or
another
to
either
the
county
or
to
the
to
the
city.
But
there
isn't
a
automatic
hey
it's
time
for
you
guys
to
catch
up
and
pay
up
for
all
these
fees.
Now
that
you're
in
the
city
got
them.
E
Oops-
and
we
don't
have
any,
we
don't
have
any
data
around,
because
I
did
a
couple
spot
checks
before
this
meeting
and
it
percentage-wise
it's
almost
spot
on
47
48
of
owner
occupied
status,
the
the
people
of
those
owner-occupied
properties.
Is
it
fairly
do
we
know
you
know
how
many
owners
that
is
I.
I
H
G
E
I
Don't
know
if
they
don't
have
a
the
homestead
exemption.
They
we
could
have
multiple
property
owners,
the
same
property
owner
might
own.
You
know
five
properties
of
my
own,
just
one,
but
we
we
didn't
go
into
it
that
far
but
again,
if
they,
if
there's
a
a
residential,
a
resident
on
that,
whether
it's
rented
or
whether
it's
owned,
if
they're
registered
voter,
they
can
vote
still.
A
I
A
B
E
I
E
E
I
E
H
A
N
The
annexation
of
any
large
build
out
Community
will
also
take
significant
planning
and
additional
resources
to
ensure
we're
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
current
planned
and
proposed
annexed
Community.
Excuse
me
without
proper
long-term
strategic
planning
and
budget
preparation.
All
these
communities
couldn't
see
an
immediate
and
significant
decrease
in
law
enforcement
service.
The
Apopka
Police
Department
Prides
itself
on
the
level
of
service
we
provide
to
our
community
and
we
find
ourselves
struggling
to
maintain
that
level
of
service.
Due
to
the
present
lack
of
law
enforcement
applicants.
N
Before
we
can
look
at
the
annexation
of
any
large
built
out
community,
that
will
immediately
require
law
enforcement
Services.
We
must
look
at
how
we
are
servicing
our
current
community
and
what
it
will
take
to
continue
to
provide
our
current
level
of
service
to
our
existing
residents
and
our
plan
development.
N
N
Capital
ratio
is
currently
1.83
officers
per
1000
residents
again.
This
is
a
slide
that
you
saw
during
our
budget
presentation.
This
slide
shows
how
many
officers,
each
of
the
list
of
cities,
has
per
square
mile
of
service
area.
As
you
can
see
from
the
slide.
Not
only
do
we
have
one
of
the
lowest
per
capita's
in
the
area.
We
also
have
one
of
the
lowest
officers
per
square
mile
ratios
among
the
agencies
listed.
N
Currently,
the
police
department
has
authorized
122
swarm
positions.
However,
if
we
intend
to
maintain
the
same
level
of
service
or
improve
it
as
the
city
continues
to
grow,
we
have
to
improve
our
per
capita
and
officer
per
square
mile
ratios
to
be
closer
aligned
with
the
state
average
and
that
of
the
surrounding
agencies
in
order
to
attain
the
State
per
capita
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents.
Our
authorized
sworn
position
should
be
approximately
136
warned
police
officers.
N
This
number
of
136
authorized
sworn
positions
is
not
just
based
off
of
our
per
capita,
but
is
supported
by
the
number
of
officers
per
square
mile
in
the
surrounding
jurisdiction.
It
was
also
confirmed
by
the
independent
staff
study
conducted
by
the
Center
for
Public
Safety
during
the
public
safety
building
needs
assessment
based
on
these
numbers.
N
The
police
department
currently
needs
an
additional
14
sworn
positions,
foreign,
although
this
is
not
about
cost
for
us,
it
is
important
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
plan
the
few
for
the
future,
even
if
you
gave
us
the
funding
for
these
additional
officers,
we'll
struggle
to
find
the
applicants
at
this
current
time.
As
you
will
recall,
we
did
not
request
additional
offers
in
this
year's
budget
due
to
the
need
to
fill
the
15
vacancies.
N
We
currently
have,
just
as
a
note,
I
want
to
point
out
that
there's
discrepancy
in
the
price
of
the
patrol
vehicles
from
our
budget
proposal
to
this
slide.
Since
the
budget
was
approved,
the
cost
of
the
vehicles
on
the
state
contract
has
gone
up
by
eight
thousand
dollars.
That's
a
significant
hit
to
our
budget.
N
As
presented
during
the
budget
hearings,
there
are
currently
9900
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
This
is
up
from
7270
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction.
Last
year
and
577
the
year
before,
based
on
the
city's
Community
Development
unit
in
April
2021,
the
average
household
had
2.79
persons
living
in
it.
This
residential
growth
will
add
an
estimated
27
621
residents
to
the
city
of
Apopka
over
the
next
several
years.
This
is
up
from
an
estimated
twenty
one
thousand
just
last
year.
N
In
addition
to
the
residential
growth,
there
is
approximately
14
million
square
foot
of
Industrial
and
Commercial
growth
planned
or
under
construction.
This
is
up
from
an
estimated
11
million
last
year.
The
city
continues
to
modify
the
future
land
use
within
the
city
and
allow
for
rezoning
the
permits
denser
growth.
As
a
result,
we
are
experiencing
an
increase
in
apartment
complexes
and
Townhomes,
which
create
a
large
density.
All
this
growth
is
going
to
continue
to
tax
the
already
limited
resources
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department,
if
not
plan,
and
for
appropriately.
N
As
this
growth
occurs,
the
27
000
new
residents
will
require
an
additional
56
police
officers
just
to
maintain
our
current
per
capita
of
2.08
officers
per
1000
residents,
which
is
below
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents.
If
we
were
to
try
to
attain
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents,
we
would
need
an
additional
63
authorized
police
positions.
The
cost
of
the
additional
56
officers
would
be
approximately
8
million
8.7
million
dollars,
and
the
63
officer
would
be
approximately
9.8
million
dollars.
N
The
cost
of
the
additional
56
officers
averaged
out
over
the
next
five
years,
as
we
know
that
those
9900
homes
are
not
going
to
be
built
tomorrow,
it
would
cost
approximately
1.7
million
dollars
per
year
at
today's
cost.
The
timing
of
this
growth
is
unknown.
However,
at
this
time,
growth
across
the
city
is
happening
happening
very
rapidly.
The
cost
does
not
include
support.
Personnel
such
as
dispatchers
records,
clerks
Etc.
N
They
would
need
to
be
that
would
be
needed
over
the
next
five
years
to
accommodate
this
growth
is
important
to
note
that
these
numbers
are
what
we
know
as
of
right
now.
The
planned
and
future
growth
of
the
city
will
continue
to
increase
and
our
needs
will
be
even
greater.
Every
budget
year
we
come
to
you
with
adjustments
to
our
numbers
due
to
the
increase
in
homes
under
construction
or
planned,
and
although
this
trend
may
slow
down
due
to
the
current
economy,
I,
don't
believe
any
of
us
see
this
trend.
Stopping.
N
Based
on
the
boundaries
provided
for
the
area
to
be
annexed,
the
Orange
County
Planning
Department
estimates,
the
area
covers
1082
Acres
or
approximately
1.69
square
miles.
The
city
of
Apopka
currently
covers
approximately
35.5
square
miles
in
physical
year.
2122.
The
Apopka
Police
Department
responded
to
84
000
calls
for
service,
which
breaks
down
to
approximately
seven
thousand
calls
for
service
per
month
or
to
only
378
calls
for
service
per
square
mile.
In
2021,
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
responded
to
7
600
calls
for
service
in
the
proposed
annexation
area
of
approximately
1.69
square
miles
in
2022.
N
The
sheriff's
office
is
on
Pace
to
answer
8
900
calls
for
service
in
this
area
or
approximately
745
calls
for
service
per
month
or
5291
calls
for
service
per
square
mile.
That's
almost
double
what
we
handle
in
the
city,
currently
annexing
South
Apopka,
would
result
in
an
approximate
increase
in
calls
for
service
of
10.59
percent.
It
is
important
to
note
that,
in
addition
to
these
numbers,
we
are
currently
seeing
our
crime
numbers
increase
and
return
into
pre-pandemic
numbers.
N
According
to
Orange
County
Planning
division
within
the
area
to
be
annexed,
there
are
2185
built
residential
units
or
300
and
387
vacant
residential
lots.
According
to
the
city
of
Apopka
Community
Development
Department
in
2022,
there
was
an
average
of
2.72
persons
per
household
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
Based
on
these
numbers,
the
proposed
annexation
would
incorporate
approximately
5
900
new
residents
into
the
city
to
maintain
our
current
per
capita
of
2.08
officers
per
1000
residents.
We
would
need
an
additional
12
police
officers
at
a
cost
of
1.8
million
dollars
to
cover
the
annexed
area.
N
If
we
want
to
achieve
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents,
we
would
need
an
additional
14
police
officers
at
a
cost
of
2.1
million
dollars.
If
we
Annex
the
area
under
consideration,
without
first
putting
these
resources
in
place,
our
per
capita
would
drop
from
2.08
to
1.89
officers
per
1000
residents.
N
These
costs
are
just
for
sworn
officers
and
do
not
account
for
the
additional
civilian
support
staff
that
will
be
needed
as
the
agency
grows.
With
regard
to
the
2185
built
residential
units.
These
include
an
apartment,
complex,
an
assisted
living
home
and
some
rooming
houses,
which
most
likely
increase
the
density
above
the
2.72
residents
per
household.
So
the
actual
number
of
citizens
residing
in
this
area
may
be
more
than
the
estimated
5900.
N
the
387
vacant
Lots
within
the
proposed
annexation
area
in
size
and
vary
in
size
and
could
be
built
out
with
higher
density
designations.
In
addition
to
the
police
officers
needed
to
patrol
the
proposed
annexation,
there's
an
elementary
school
Phyllis
Wheatley
that
would
require
an
S
SRO
to
be
assigned
to
it.
This
increases
the
number
of
officers
needed
to
a
minimum
of
15.
N
Any
attempt
to
Annex
a
large
community
around
the
city
of
Apopka
would
require
several
years
of
significant
planning
to
ensure
we
could
meet
the
needs
of
our
current
and
planned
communities,
as
well
as
a
community
being
annexed
into
the
city.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
can
provide
the
residents
of
the
annex
properties
with
the
same
level
of
law
enforcement
service.
We
provide
to
our
current
residents,
while
also
ensuring
we
do
not
decrease
the
level
of
service
we
provide
to
our
existing
residents
as
a
result
of
the
annexation.
N
Although
we
are
making
progress
in
filling
our
current
vacancies,
we
currently
have
15
authorized
positions
to
fill
in
addition
to
the
15
vacancies.
If
we
want
to
achieve
the
state
average
per
capita
of
2.33
officers
per
thousand
residents,
we
need
an
additional
14
authorized.
Sworn
positions,
hiring
29
officers
in
today's
market
is
going
to
be
challenging.
We
just
recently
learned
that
three
equivalent
of
trade
equivalent
of
training
classes,
those
are
classes
that
are
offered
to
out-of-state
police
officers
to
come
to
the
State
of
Florida.
N
They
just
have
to
do
a
crossover
they
don't
have
to
do.
The
full
Academy
were
canceled
due
to
lack
of
registered
students.
As
you
all
know,
the
governor
is
providing
law
enforcement
offers
a
move
from
other
states
to
the
State
of
Florida.
Actually
it
was
expanded
to
anybody
that
becomes
a
police
officer
in
the
State
of
Florida
five
thousand
dollars,
plus
an
additional
sixteen
hundred
dollars
to
pay
the
federal
income
tax.
N
We
should
not
Annex
any
large
area
with
a
current
residential
population
without
first
having
the
resources
in
place
to
cover
the
annexed
area.
Not
having
the
resources
in
place
prior
to
the
annexation
would
cause
a
decrease
in
law
enforcement
services
for
our
current
residents
and
those
residing
in
the
area
being
annexed.
During
this
presentation,
we
have
only
addressed
sworn
police
officers.
N
I've
mentioned
this
a
couple
times,
but
we
require
hiring
civilian
support
staff,
CID
support
staff,
Communications
person,
technicians,
records,
Clerk
and
probably
an
additional
code
enforcement
officer
based
on
the
information
provided
if
we
were
to
Annex
a
residence
of
South
Apopka
without
a
long-term
strategic
plan
in
place,
I
do
not
believe
we
can
provide
the
residents
of
South
Apopka
with
the
same
level
of
law
enforcement
service
they
currently
receive.
Our
current
Communication
Center
is
built
out.
We
don't
have
room
to
add
many
more
staff
until
we
complete
the
new
public
safety
building.
N
We
also
lack
the
space
in
our
current
building
to
house
more
sworn
personnel.
This
does
not
mean
that
we
cannot
provide
services
in
the
future
if
properly
planned.
For,
however,
it
will
take
several
years
for
us
to
be
able
to
provide
South
Apopka
with
adequate
law
enforcement
Services,
while
ensuring
we
continue
to
provide
the
same
level
of
service
to
our
current
citizens.
E
N
Million
I'm,
sorry
I'm
sure
we'd
already
have
an
under
break
ground
out
of
us.
Fifty
six
thousand
fifty
six
million
14
additional
police
officers
at
2
million
costs
for
officers
to
cover
current
and
planned
growth
is
63
officers
over
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
At
9.8
million
dollars
to
provide
the
residents
of
the
area
proposed
to
be
annexed
with
a
state
average
of
2.3
office
and
three
officers
per
1000
residents,
we
would
need
an
additional
14
officers
at
2.1
million
dollars.
N
N
There
are
significant
number
of
calls
for
service
that
will
tax
to
our
resources,
but
with
the
proper
resources
we
can
handle
that
also,
this
is
about
providing
the
residents
and
the
proposed
annexed
area
with
the
same
level
or
better
level
of
law
enforcement
services
that
they
currently
have
to
ensure
we
can
maintain
or
improve
their
quality
of
life.
We
must
also
keep
in
mind
that
independent
law
enforcement
staff
that
inadequate
law
enforcement
Staffing
is
not
only
unsafe
for
the
community
we
serve,
but
is
also
very
hazardous
for
our
sworn
personnel.
N
We
must
ensure
they
have
the
proper
resources
to
address
calls
for
service
in
a
safe
manner
for
the
community
and
our
officers.
Unfortunately,
if
a
vote
was
held
today,
we
could
not
provide
our
current
residents
or
those
in
the
proposed
annexation
area
with
the
same
level
of
service
they
currently
receive.
N
N
Can
we
do
this?
Absolutely
we
can.
We
can
accomplish
large
annexations
of
surrounding
build
out
areas.
However,
it
is
going
to
take
strategic
planning
and
preparation
to
accomplish.
First,
we
have
to
ensure
the
current
level
of
service
we
provide.
Our
existing
residents
is
at
least
equal
to
the
state
and
local
average
of
officers
per
thousand
in
officers
per
square
mile.
We
need
to
make
certain
our
staffing
levels
at
all
times,
Safeguard
the
well-being
of
our
police
officers.
We
also
need
to
ensure
we
properly
prepare
for
the
currently
approved
and
planned
growth
the
city
is
experiencing.
N
L
N
Been
here
seven
and
a
half
years
and
we've
never
met
the
State
per
capita
average.
Since
I've
been
here,
we
haven't
met
the
local
average.
We've
chased
it
some
of
the
budgets,
we've
gotten
Personnel,
other
budgets
we
haven't.
If
you
remember,
we
got
a
cops
grant
for
10
officers.
One
year,
I
think
was
in
2016,
roughly
we've
applied
for
cops
Grant.
Since
then
we
haven't
gotten
any
of
them,
but
we
have
been
chasing
the
per
capita
I.
Think
our
salary
increase
that
you
gave
us.
N
The
commission
gave
us
for
this
fiscal
year
is
helping
or
recruit
we've
hired
people.
We've
lost
a
couple
too.
We
just
lost
one
of
the
U.S
Marshals.
He
was
going
to
go
to
New
York
to
be
a
U.S
Marshal
and
that's
his
dream
and
and
that's
good
for
him-
wish
him
the
best.
But
we
continue
to
try
to
fill
that,
but
we've
never
had
the
authorized
positions
that
would
allow
us
to
reach
the
per
capita
average.
E
I
think
you
encapsulate
my
thinking
on
the
matter
of
law
enforcement
and
that
third
bullet
on
the
to
a
t
right.
This
is
about
providing
the
residents
and
the
proposed
Annex
area
with
the
same
level
or
better
level
of
law
enforcement
services
that
they
currently
have
to
ensure
we
maintain
or
improve
their
quality
of
life.
I.
Think
that
encapsulates
why
we're
here
tonight
in
totality
not
just
for
law
enforcement,
certainly
there's
budget
deficiencies
in
terms
of
getting
you
properly
staffed.
That's
a
separate
topic,
I
think,
and
we
I
I
certainly
agree
with
you.
E
What
I
guess
highest
level
question
would
be.
Do
you
feel
that
again,
I
always
like
to
go
into
this
euphoric
world
of
you
have
all
the
money
that
you
need
and
all
the
people
that
you
need.
Assuming
that
were
the
case?
Do
you
think
that
city
of
Apopka,
patrolling
and
providing
law
enforcement
services
to
that
area
will
be
a
marked
improvement
versus
what
Orange
County
can
provide
and
I
know?
That's
a
loaded
question
and
it
comes
with
politics
and
all
that
sort
of
things
very.
N
With
the
proper
resources
we
have
the
potential
to
provide
them.
All.
Cities
should
have
the
potential
to
provide
their
residence
with
a
better
per
capita
coverage
and
better
services
and
I
say
that,
because
your
Sheriff's
offices
are
somewhere
around
1.68
per
thousand,
but
majority
of
your
counties
are
have
a
lot
of
rural
area.
That's
not
patrolled,
so
per
capita
of
a
police
department
is
always
higher
because
your
population
and
your
density
is
higher.
So,
given
the
proper
resources
and
it's
going
to
take
some
resources,
you
know
you've
heard
me
say
this
numerous
times.
N
N
We
know
who
those
three
percent
are
the
Sheriff's
Office
know
who
know
who
those
three
percent
are
we
work
with
them
closely
to
make
sure
we
have
a
good
level
of
service.
The
sheriff's
office
is:
has
additional
funding
to
patrol
South
Apopka
through
I?
Think
it's
a
neighborhood
block
grant
or
something
to
that
effect,
and
so
off-duty
deputies
Patrol.
That
area
to
help
their
per
capita
in
that
area
and
to
deal
with
the
calls
for
service
that
they
have.
You
give
me
the
resources
and
we'll
do
it
I'm
not
worried
about
the
money.
N
E
I
mean,
unfortunately,
in
the
six
years
that
I've
been
on
this
Council
the
times
that
I
hear
the
most
about
the
annexation
conversation
or
law
enforcement
in
general.
Is
you
know,
unfortunately,
during
times
of
a
violent
crime
and
the
community
comes
together
and
has
sessions
to
talk
about?
What
can
we
do
as
a
community
come
together
and
prevent
these
sort
of
things
going
forward
and
a
lot
of
times?
It's
just
not
an
adversarial
relationship
with
law
enforcement?
It's
we
want
more.
E
We
want
more
community
policing
and
more
Community
involvement
from
the
agencies
that
provide
that
service
to
us,
and
you
know
again,
you
always
get
the
best
service,
the
closest
to
home,
and
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
give
see.
If
that's
your
same
sentiment
of
you
know,
if,
if
you
were
properly
staffed
and
had
the
proper
resources
that
that
level
of
service
would
go
up
and
eventually
crime
goes
down,
I.
N
Mean
we
have
some
additional
things
to
look
at
as
I
mentioned,
this
does
not
cover
civilian
staff
Personnel,
our
communication,
Center,
would
be
pretty
strapped.
We'd
have
to
move
them,
probably
half
them
back
over
to
the
Emergency
Operations
Center
to
operate
until
we
got
the
new
building.
We
are,
you
know,
sort
of
hamstrung
because
of
the
police
department
and
its
current
situation,
but
we're
working
on
that.
That's
a
couple
years
down
the
road
and
we'll
have
that
resolved.
N
We
need
to
look
at
I
need
to
delve
a
little
bit
further
into
the
exact
crime.
I
know
that
South
apopka's
had
approximately
three
homicides
this
year.
Those
are
long-term
investigation.
In
most
cases,
they
do
have
a
lot
of
drive-by
shootings.
They
come
on
into
ours.
Many
of
you
all
don't
hear
about
the
drive-by
shootings,
because
you
know
they
miss
each
other,
fortunately
by
the
grace
of
God,
and
but
we
deal
with
that.
E
E
E
E
E
You
mentioned
the
word
and
and
I
agree
from
a
code
enforcement
perspective
again
just
T-shirt
size
that
I
know
I'm
anecdotal
at
best,
but
in
terms
of
most
a
lot
very
few
residential
units
or
just
dwelling
or
units
in
general
and
the
target
area.
How
many
would
be
subject
to
code
enforcement
like
day
one
if
they
were
coming
into
the.
N
City
well,
I
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
you
know
in
a
lot
of
those
homes
down,
there
are
rental
homes.
So
it's
going
to
come
back
on
the
landlord
and
it
becomes
a
double-edged
sword
because
you
hit
the
co
the
landlord
with
code
enforcement,
fines
guess
what
the
rent's
going
to
do
the
rent's
going
to
go
up
right.
You
know
so
it's
a
double-edged
sword,
but
again
as
our
community,
and
we
have
a
great
Community
here.
N
There
might
be
opportunities
for
our
community
and
our
businesses
and
our
community
to
go
down
there
and
help
some
of
those
residents
that
are
I
know
they
do
a
lot
of
in
the
county
already.
You
know
we
try
to
help
the
residents
and
it's
from
a
law
enforcement
perspective.
We
have
a
great
working
relationship
with
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
we'll
continue
that,
whether
we
Annex
it
we
don't
Annex
it
they
support
us.
We
support
them
when,
when
we
need
assistance,
yeah.
E
And
I'll
say
that
in
a
bad
way,
but
it's
more
from
a
planning
perspective
if,
if
we
know
going
into
it,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
situations
where
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
dialogue
between
your
staff
from
a
code
enforcement
perspective
on
and
folks
that
have
recently
in
annexed
to
the
city
we
want
to.
We
want
to
plan
for
that
before
we
have,
you
know
adversarial
type
of
encounters
there
and
then
my
last
question
you
know.
E
N
Know
it's
obviously
we
have
to
have
a
space
to
house
officers
and
again
we're
working
on
that
with
the
new
public
safety
building.
One
of
the
things
I
did
leave
out.
That
I
think
we've
discussed
in
the
past
is
we
are
going
to
have
to
look
at
a
substation
up
to
the
north
of
the
city
up
around
the
Kelly
Park
Crossing
area
before
long,
so
we
can
put
resources
up
into
that
area
on
a
permanent
basis.
N
H
N
Do
it
I
I
can't
my
biggest
concern
right
now
is.
If
you
told
me
you
were
giving
me
all
the
money
and
I
could
hire
14
officers
tomorrow,
I'm
15
down
I
technically
need
29.
I
need
an
additional
14
to
get
our
per
capita
up
to
what
it
really
needs
to
be.
The
applicants
aren't
out
there.
We
have
I
think
three
academies
going
on
right
now.
N
Majority
of
the
people
in
the
academies
are
already
spoken
for
we're
out
beating
the
bushes
we're
traveling
the
entire
State.
As
we
mentioned
during
our
budget
presentation
to
find
applicants,
we
are
working
with
the
hbcus
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
recruit
minorities
in
this
we've
got
the
I
think
they're,
holding
the
job
fair
at
I'm
gonna
get
this
backwards.
One
I
think
it
was
a
Bethune
cookman
last
year.
So
it's
a
a
m
I
think
this
year,
so
I
might
have
it
backwards
either
way.
N
N
You
know,
I've
seen
the
I've
looked
at
the
contracts
for
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
OPD,
and
some
of
the
other
surrounding
areas
that
are
three-year
contracts-
and
we
mentioned
this
during
our
budget
presentation,
but
we're
going
to
chase
salaries
for
the
next
couple
years
too.
Try
to
remain
competitive
so
that
we
can
fill
these
positions.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
and,
unfortunately,
you
know
I
think
I'll
go
to
commissioner
Velasquez's
home
state
I.
N
B
B
We
are
focusing
on
making
sure
that
we
are
able
to
accommodate
future
residents,
but
we're
kind
of
putting
our
current
residents
on
the
back
burner
that
have
been
here
and
that
have
given
their
Blood,
Sweat
and
Tears
to
help
this
community
become
what
it
is
and
so
I
feel
that
they
need
the
same
consideration
as
as
future
residents
do.
Just
as
we
need
to
build
a
substation
in
Keller
Park.
We
need
to
build
one
in
South
Apopka
as
well,
so
the
same
consideration.
There
needs
to
be
considered
both
ways.
B
N
I'm
and
if
I
painted
a
doom
and
gloom
picture,
I
apologize
because
that's
my
goal:
I'll
be
happy
to
Annex
South
Apopka
with
the
proper
resources
and
everything
else
the
we
need
to
do
it
strategically,
so
that
we
can
provide
them
and
make
sure
they
have
the
same
level
of
resources.
I
have
to
deal
with
and
apologize
for
saying
this
y'all's
decisions
and
your
decisions
are
to
Annex
and
build
more
homes.
I
have
to
look
for
that.
I
have
to
look
for
your
annexed
area
and
I
have
to
look
at
our
current
population.
N
I
have
to
look
at
this
whole
thing
holistically,
not
just
our
new
growth,
our
current
growth
and
annexation.
I'm
presenting
you
the
whole
picture.
That's
all
I'm
trying
to
do
up
here,
Commissioners,
let
you
see
the
entire
picture.
If
you
have
a
way
to
stop
development,
so
we
can
concentrate
on
South
Apopka,
that's
fine
with
me,
but
we
don't
have
that
we
right
now
we
have
planned
9900
homes
under
construction
or
already
planned
that
I
have
to
plan
for
or
I'd
be
remiss
in
trying
to
provide
Public
Safety
to
anybody.
B
A
I'm
good,
thank
you.
Okay!
Thank
you,
Chief
one,
one
question:
the
I
know
that
you've
got
the
the
numbers
for
the
Orange
County,
but
also
that
neighborhood
block
grant.
Can
you
can
you
get
a
better
number
of
how
many
officers
they
have
in
in
the
annexational
part
adding
those
those
I
know
those
are
like
off-duty
officers
coming
in.
Is
there
a
way
to
quantify
that
number
as
well?
Well,.
N
It's
hard
to
tell
you
what
their
per
capita
is,
because
the
area
that
encompasses
South
Apopka
is
a
zone,
so
they
may
have
two
or
three
officers
riding
that
zone
from
Patrol
purposes,
plus
one
or
two.
It's
my
understanding.
They
do
have
problems
on
occasion,
filling
those
off
duty,
because
under
the
grant
is
probably
the
minimum
off
duty.
When
you
can
go
to
the
city
of
Orlando,
like
our
officers
do
and
work
an
off-duty
job
for
significantly
more,
but
I
can
find
out
what
the
grant
is
and
what
the
stipulation
or
this
you.
N
P
P
As
calls
for
service
again
for
2021
and
90
9100
incidents
for
the
city
one
currently,
we
grab
the
numbers
for
last
month
ending
last
month
for
the
current
year,
we're
up
to
9
800
incidences,
so
we're
definitely
trending
our
way
up.
As
far
as
responses,
local
fire
department
ratio
per
1000
with
the
additional
18
firefighters,
we
were
adding
this
year,
which
again
were
very
optimistic.
P
We're
just
had
17
come
in
today
for
fitting
and
sizing
so
we're
about
six
short
of
where
our
goal
is
going
to
be
and
we
are
going
to
meet
it.
I
promise
you
for
this
next
year,
so
our
per
capita
is
now
is
up
to
2.3
per
thousand
in
the
city
area,
and
we
also
have
to
remember.
We
also
have
our
contract
area
which
we're
going
to
get
into
in
a
minute
and
that
ratio
for
us,
for
that
is
2.11.
P
P
P
P
P
Again,
that's
just
in
the
the
study
area
call
volume.
In
a
study
area,
South
Apopka
worked
with
Chief
Rios
with
Orange
County's,
plane,
division
advised
in
2020
and
21.
They
responded
to
an
average
of
1554
EMS
calls
168
fire
calls
and
68
miscellaneous
calls
for
a
total
of
1808
calls
for
service
per
year.
In
the
study
area,
our
current
afd
station
call
volumes
are
listed
there
station
ones,
33
just
above
3300
station
217,
there's
about
17
section
three,
four
five.
You
can
see
there
out
to
station
six.
P
P
What
does
all
this
warrant?
An
additional
fire
station
will
definitely
be
required
and
the
costs
associated
with
that
fire
station
again
operating
costs
would
be
additional.
18
firefighters,
they're
starting
salary
with
Benefits
is
about
just
over
one
million
dollars
for
operating
Capital
costs
again
an
additional
station,
2.3
million
fire
engine
852
fully
equipped,
is
over
a
million
these
days
and
ambulance
300
000,
fully
equipped
over
445
000
and
the
equipment
for
each
Fire,
Starting,
firefighters,
so
their
bunker
gear.
P
All
that
additional
total
Capital
cost
of
152.
For
that
so
total
Capital
cost
of
about
approximately
four
million
dollars
again
thoughts
and
considerations
as
Chief
McKinley
was
stating
any
act.
Annexation
definitely
demand
significant
planning
I'm.
Sorry,
we
want
to
meet
all
the
needs
of
the
current
community.
Of
course,
the
community
being
annexed
and
resources
definitely
need
to
be
in
place
prior
to
annexation
again
without
this
would
certainly
decrease
the
level
to
all
residents
involved,
including
response
times
and
units
available,
and
with
that
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
P
P
Well,
that
that's
something
that's
up,
you
know
for
discussion,
you
know
they
still
cover.
So
when
you
talk
about
the
study
area,
28
covers
more
than
just
that
study
area.
That's
right,
so
you
can
see
on
the
image
here.
Just
the
outlined
area
in
black
is
a
study
area.
There's
there's
parts
to
the
east
south
the
28
will
still
cover
I
would
imagine
they
would
move
closer
to
Ocoee
or
something
like
that.
You
know
if
need
be,
because
it's
not.
N
G
A
P
P
It
it
would
be
the
same
footprint
basically
but
realistically,
the
size
of
station
28,
really,
which
is
an
engine
ambulance,
and
you
know
personally,
that's
why
we
asked
for
the
I
think
it
was
18,
because
we,
you
know
15
for
Staffing,
but
three
for
growth
and
time
off,
and
things
like
that.
Okay,
thank.
P
That's
that's
again
something
that's
up
for
discussion.
Where
were
we
probably
best
be
placed?
You
know
an
option.
Just
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head
is
even
the
training
center.
You
know
we
have
property
there
that
we
could.
You
know,
certainly
build
a
station
there
and
kind
of
use
it
as
a
you
know
when
you
when
you're
typically
fire
is
one
of
the
last
things
that
goes
in
place.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
You
have
your
public
services,
your
your
your
infrastructure
that
goes
in
place.
P
Police
goes
in
place,
fire
is
one
of
the
last
ones
and
you
can
see
that
even
more
station
six
was
placed
originally
just
moving
it.
Where
we
did,
the
Harmon
Road
exponentially
increased
our
or
decreased
our
response
times.
Based
on
you
know,
some
of
the
studies
we
did,
and
things
like
that
so
really,
where
we
put
it
is,
is
obviously
critically
important,
but
I
would
want
it
somewhere.
Obviously,
in
in
the
mix
of
the
of
the
proposed
area,
okay,.
H
E
P
Certainly,
you
know,
the
public
safety
area
does
have
room
for
growth
developed
in
there
as
far
as
that
sort
of
thing,
but
like
we're,
also
worried
about
the
current
growth
of
the
city
as
well,
you
know
there's
certain
things
and
and
really
when
you
look
at
in
areas
dense
as
this
with
already
proven
calls
for
service
in
that
area,
that's
something
that
is
busier
than
five
or
six
stations.
That's
like
saying,
we
don't
need
station
two
right
now
we
do
and
with
the
growth
coming
and
things
like
that,
it's
certainly,
you
know
allocates.
E
E
P
Understand
that
six
and
one
would
also,
of
course,
support
this
area
as
well.
If
there
was
an
additional
station
place,
but
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
unit
utilization.
We
look
at
that
a
lot.
How
often
are
units
being
used
throughout
today-
and
there
are
certain
ratios
that
go
into
that
play
in
this
again,
certainly
once
an
additional
station
yeah.
E
And
point
being
I
mean
this
area
is
pretty
much
built
out
like
we
know
what
the
volume
is
going
to
be
pretty
consistently
over
here,
because
I
don't
know
if
1808
is
wildly
inconsistent
with
what
the
five
tenure
trend
is:
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
just
looking
at
a
vacuum
of
1808
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
whole
bunch
more
than
the
year
before
I
don't
know,
but
the
1808
is
that,
specifically
for
the
region,
that's
outlined
in
your
slide.
It's.
P
E
E
E
Q
Radley
Williams,
Parks
and
Rec
director
good
evening,
mayor
and
Commissioners
in
the
the
study
area,
there
are
two
parks
and
recreation
locations
or
facilities
that
we
took
a
look
at
the
first
being
Wheatley
Park
on
second
West
18th,
Street
and
just
provided
some
property
highlights
for
reference.
It's
approximately
six
acres
contains
the
basketball
courts,
tennis
courts,
Fitness
path,
playground,
Picnic,
Area,
Rental,
Pavilion
and
sand
volleyball
courts.
Q
This
property
is
actually
owned
by
the
Orange
County
School
Board.
There
is
a
joint
use
agreement
between
the
school
board
and
the
county
for
original
development
of
the
park
back
in
1992
and
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
the
park.
So
basically,
the
county
maintains
the
park
for
the
school
board
and
we've
generated
an
annual
maintenance
costs
based
off
of
our
current
costs
for
contracted
services.
At
about
forty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
maintain
that
property
that
does
not
include
any
Capital
upgrades
or
routine
or
or
Capital
maintenance
on
the
playground
or
Court
surfaces.
Q
Foreign,
the
other
location,
is
the
John
H
Bridges
Community
Center
at
445,
West
13th
Street,
this
property
or
this
facility
is
operated
from
the
community
action
department
for
the
county.
Some
property
highlights
for
this
facility.
It's
approximately
14.15
Acres.
It
does
house
a
variety
of
service
Partnerships,
including
the
Orange
County
Community
Action
Partnership
education,
which
provides
educational
programs,
jobs,
training
and
Senior
Services,
in
addition
to
Energy
Efficiency
assistance,
and
it
does
house
a
separate
Head
Start
program
on
property.
Q
Annual
maintenance
costs
were
provided
by
the
county
at
237
thousand
dollars,
and
our
estimated
annual
Personnel
cost
was
a
little
over
160
000..
That's
based
off
of
three
staff.
Also,
please
note
that
this
does
not
include
full
benefits
if
they
were
to
be
full-time
staff
that
add
about
30
percent
to
that
number
kicking
that
a
little
a
little
closer
to
two
hundred
ten
thousand
dollars
and
that's
those
are
two
parks
and
rec
facilities
that
we
we'd
like
to
consider
in
this.
In
this
area
and
I
have
any
questions:
hey.
Q
These
I
mean
you
could
do
Court
rentals
at
the
Wheatley
Park,
the
John
H
Bridges
Community
Center,
there's
not
much
rental
income
in
that
facility
that
we
could
attain.
It
could
be
a
place,
though,
that
we
run
additional
programming
for
youth,
camping
or
youth
camps.
So
there's
opportunities
there
for
that.
There's
opportunities
to
implement
some
programming,
but
again
it
would
not
be
very
much
revenue
coming.
G
Q
E
I
mean
I
I,
don't
see
the
need
in
this
room
tonight
to
shake
our
head
at
anything.
I.
Think
anything's
on
the
table
like
for
us
to
sit
here
and
posture
and
say
this
ain't
going
to
happen.
I
think
it's
unfair
to
everybody
in
this
room,
we're
here
to
gather
facts
to
have
a
more
rich
determination
of
what
we
want
to
do
going
forward,
because
clearly
this
is
important.
This
is
important.
E
E
Q
There
wouldn't
be
much
other
than
some
additional
programming
that
we
could
possibly
offer
and
that'd
be
more
of
the
youth.
There
could
be
some
senior
programming
as
well,
but
those
are
traditionally
we
try
and
keep
the
costs
low
on
or
the
the
registration
costs
low
for
those.
So
we
try
to
keep
it
more
of
a
break
even
for
the
added
service.
So
there's
not
much
revenue
that
we
see
in
the
facility.
R
Infrastructures
and
basis
for
the
cost
estimate
the
maintenance
services
and
the
summary
the
infrastructure
and
basis
of
the
cost
estimates
is
based
on
the
annex
area
is
1.69
square
miles
with
25.84
miles
of
new
roadway,
94,
Acres
or
right
away.
14
retention,
Pond
seven,
would
be
nine
is
non-msbu,
seven
will
be
an
msbu
10
miles
of
Corp
Street
and
approximately
22
100
residential
units.
Now
this
information
were
obtained
from
our
stuff
looking
at
the
area
and
and
the
property
appraiser
to
get
some
of
these
informations.
R
The
maintenance
service
are
as
follow
it
to
be
water,
sewer
and
reclaimed
service,
sanitation,
Street,
Maintenance,
storm
water
maintenance,
and
there
are
existing
contract
and
agreement
with
Orange
County
do
have
for
that
service
area
which
I'm
going
to
just
briefly
outline
with
respect
to
the
water
sewing
and
reclaimed
service.
This
exists
in
utility
service
area
that
we
have
include
this
area.
R
R
In
terms
of
Sanitation,
the
sanitation
service
right
now
for
that
area
has
been
performed
by
orange
concrete.
So
if
we
are
going
to
Annex
that
area
and
take
it
over
Institute
of
public,
the
services
we
are
going
to
perform
is
two
residential
pickup
per
week.
One
new
bulky
pick
up
per
week
and
also
one
new
well
recycle
per
week.
To
do
that,
we
will
need
a
startup
requirement.
We
will
need
to
have
one
new
residential
Automotive
sanitation
truck,
which
costs
about
approximately
500.
Okay,.
R
One
new
rail
loader
for
yard,
waste
pickup,
and
that
is
three
operators
and
two
new
laborer
for
the
cost
of
270k.
So
these
are
the
startup
costs
if
we
were
to
take
over
the
sanitation
services
in
terms
of
the
of
the
annual
operating
costs,
I
think
we
estimate
that
to
be
600
k
and
approximately
I
think
the
money
or
the
revenue
that
we
received
will
be
close
to
that
amount.
G
R
R
This
will
be
new
service
that
we
are
going
to
take
over
from
public
service,
so
we
will
need
a
startup
cost.
We
will
need
at
least
a
minimum
of
two
maintenance
worker,
one
new
truck
and
a
new
Administrative
Assistant,
because
these
people
will
answer
the
call
where
they
work,
orders
and
so
forth.
The
annual
operation
cost
will
be
approximately
600k
to
perform
these
these
services.
E
R
R
R
R
R
But
throughout
the
city,
the
annual
stormwater
operation
costs
right,
we're
estimated
to
be
100K
right.
If
you
look
at
that
number
and
look
at
what
we
are
going
to
receive
25
right
per
resident
for
about
2200
resident,
it
would
be.
This
cost
would
be
a
slightly
Higher
by
about
further
thousand
dollars
right,
but
we
can
able
to
perform
these
Services.
You
know
on
a
routine
basis
there
with
some
water
fees
with
respect
to
the
existing
contract
and
agreement.
R
Currently,
Orange
County
have
an
mspu
retention,
Pawn
and
msbu
street
light.
They
have
set
up
those.
So
if
we
were
to
Annex
this
area,
we
will
have
to
absorb
those
and
maybe
discontinue
that
and
set
up
a
new
city.
Mspu
will
be
created
for
for
the
rate
you
know
commensurate
with
the
cost
of
continuing
these
services,
but
that
is
something
that
I
have
not
really
fully
explored.
I
just
get
the
numbers
I
and
the
inventory
we
were
unable
to
get
all
the
facts
in
those.
R
So
in
terms
of
a
summary,
the
sanitation,
the
startup
cost,
will
be
1.67
million
dollars.
The
annual
operating
cost
would
be
600k
and
you
can
see
an
aspect
they'd
be
funded
by
the
Enterprise
fund,
so
that
is
a
wash
it's
really
just
a
startup
cost
and
thumb
up
the
street.
The
startup
cost
would
be
250
and
the
other
operation
cost
to
be
600k
to
perform
those
routines
and
services.
But
in
stormwater
we
don't
have
a
storm
water
I'm.
R
Sorry,
because
it's
because
some
of
the
maintenance
Parts
can
be
said,
we
can
use
them
to
perform
some
of
the
other
service
there.
The
annual
operation
cost
would
be
100k,
so
without
the
total
public
service
costs.
If
you
were
to
Annex
this
area
for
the
Improvement
in
the
start,
of
course,
would
be
1.92
million
dollars.
Any
annual
maintenance
cost
will
be
1.3
million.
So.
E
To
again
to
commissioner
nessa's,
point
of
the
annual
maintenance
affects
piece
of
it
of
the
1.3,
how
that's
a
gross
number?
What's
the
net
number,
you
know
if
we
say
that
sanitation
would
more
or
less
pay
for
itself.
If
storm
water
through
non-adv
valorem
assessments
would
knock
off,
say
50
percent
of
it
what's
the
net
net
or
it
wouldn't
truly
be
1.3
million
right,
it
would
be
somewhere
half
of
that
or
yeah.
R
R
R
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
haven't
done
any
assessment
within
the
entire
area.
This
was
just
based
on
the
broad
brush
picture
here
right
when
you,
if,
if
they
have
a
report
or
a
service,
we
have
not,
we
haven't,
got
those
information
so
in
terms
of
the
roadway,
the
prediction
that
I
have
done
here.
If
you
look
at
what
we
have
done,
we
have
a
190
miles
of
roadway
right
now
and
we
are
doing
10
months
right.
So
I
I
assume
that
if
we
are
doing
five
percent
of
that,
I
assume
the
same
number.
R
G
G
G
R
R
G
R
R
G
B
And
that
was
only
analogy:
I
was
going
to
make
as
well
as
the
service
that
we
provide
is
going
to
be
greater
than
which
county
currently
do
where
they
only
pick
up
once
a
week
that
we
pick
up
twice
a
week.
So,
in
addition
to
that,
we
pick
up
bulky
items
once
once
a
week
as
well
as
recyclers
once
a
week
that
Orange
County
doesn't
do
and
they
have
to
call
in
order
for
that
to
be
picked
up.
That's
correct,
you're,
right.
A
If
we
take
on
a
bunch
of
septic
tanks,
then
we
are
going
to
be
at
some
point,
be
subject
to
to
doing
something,
either
a
hook
onto
sewer
or
or
something
else
like
we're
doing,
maybe
with
with
we
kind
of
a
glint.
So
it's
there's
a
hidden
cost
that
it
could
be
a
huge
number
when
you
look
at
you
know
if
we
just
take,
for
instance,
let's
just
say
we
converted
them
over
with
no
help
from
the
state
or
federal.
A
R
Right
I
mean
you're
you're
correct
there,
because
we
haven't
done
an
inventory
of
the
area
to
see
how
many
residents
are
on
septics
right.
How
many
are
in
sewer
right,
but
we
know
we
have
some
infrastructure
in
there
where
they
can
connect
it.
Maybe
we
have
to
extend
the
line,
but
none
of
those
analysis
were
done
right.
So
as
again
I
said,
this
was
a
broad
brush
analysis
yeah
just
to
present
information
to
you,
but.
R
J
H
K
A
G
C
S
G
H
J
K
A
T
T
T
E
T
T
H
K
Mm-Hmm,
mayor
Commissioners,
so
you've
heard
this
evening
from
all
of
the
departments
on
what
the
cost
would
be.
You've
heard:
Capital
costs
you've
heard
operating
costs
from
Enterprise
funds
to
government
offline,
so
you've
heard
from
all
angles.
So
what
I
want
to
do
tonight
is
and
I'm
not.
This
is
a
forecast,
and
this
is
all
estimates,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
at
least
a
picture
of.
If
everything
was
in
place.
If
you
had
everything
in
place,
Capital
was
in
place.
You
had
everything
we
needed
to
be.
What
would
the?
K
K
K
That
and
commissioner
Becker
brought
different
to
about
1.0,
the
0.139
Phillips
out
was
not
very
material.
It's
not
a
very
big
number.
It's
31
000!
It's
not
it's,
not
a
big
number,
but
there
is
a
difference
as
you
notice.
If,
if
if
this
was
in
our
budget,
we
had
everything
in
place-
and
we
were
operating
this
just
and
it's
this
section
I
have
to
see
or
if
you're,
counting
to
the
city,
it
was
generally
about
944
thousand
dollars
in
property
tax.
K
We
estimate
our
sales
tax
will
increase
by
300
000
by
taking
in
this
area,
because,
based
on
on
you
have
a
state
calculates,
it
would
give
us
some
additional.
We
would
take
some
of
those
sales
tax
dollars
from
the
county,
so
a
problem,
approximately
1.2,
1.3
million
dollars-
would
be
generated
in
this
revenues
in
this
area.
K
K
K
You
would
have
operating
costs
of
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
the
operating
cost
through
stations
for
for
the
personnel
and
and
for
that
area
you
have
Capital
cost
of
5.1
million
dollars.
I
have
not
tonight
I'm.
Just
looking
at
operating
costs,
like
I
told
you.
What
would
it
cost
if
we
had
everything
in
place?
What
would
we
incur
if,
on
an
ongoing
basis,
to
provide
service
to
this
area?
So
you
have
Capital
culture
about
five
about
five
million
dollars
and
your
vehicles
would
would
appreciate
over
a
seven
year
period.
Your
vehicle
would
be
your.
K
It's
really
about
600
000
will
be
the
ongoing
for
public
services
between
personnel
and
operating
costs
in
this
area
will
be
about
500
000
going
forward.
There
was
a
vehicle
and
a
capital
of
about
70
000
I
have
not
included
that
in
here.
It's
a
small
amount.
If,
if,
if
not
very
significant,
what
comes
to
that
point?
K
Keep
in
mind
this
analysis.
I
have
excluded
sanitation,
Warren,
sure
stormwire,
because
those
components
are
Enterprise
funds
and
those
rates.
They
were
kind
of
ready
to
go
away.
They
would
come
on
to
your
free
rates
and
those
those
things
would
have
to
resell.
Sustain
operate,
families
rate
if
we
were
to
take
on
the
Parks
and
Recreation
components.
K
It's
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
keep
in
mind.
Bradley
said
that
one
of
his
members
is
not
include
benefits
of
about
30
percent,
so
it's
a
little
bit
more
than
if
80
000,
but
again
we're
looking
at
big
picture.
If
we
were
operating
yesterday,
what
would
it
take
and
what
would
we
generate
if
we
add
perfectionism.
K
K
E
So
the
the
net
net
effect
down
at
the
bottom
is
not
reflecting
all
of
all
of
this
right,
because
if
you're
saying
that
total
revenues
is
1.2
million
up
at
the
top
right
down
below
where
we
said,
we
have
a
deficit
of
2.025
million,
that's
just
on
Opex
right
right
and
then
it's
a
little
misleading,
because
total
Capital
cost
over
on
the
far
right
hand,
column
shows
632,
but
really
it's
632,
plus
5.1
million
for
Public
Safety.
Well,
the.
K
E
Okay,
okay
and
then
the
only
other
question
I
had
was
on
the
presentation
that
Jim
had
presented.
I
just
need
help
understanding
the
number,
because
on
Slide
just
said,
land
use
review
and
under
it
had
2021
taxes
and
it
had
a
number
of
3.5
million.
How
does
that?
Compare
to
the
1.2
million
that
we
have
said
estimated.
K
L
L
K
K
G
Theoretically,
right
we
could,
we
could
kind
of
do
this
in
like
staged
approaches,
which
is
maybe
a
little,
maybe
jump
in
the
gun
of
us
having
a
kind
of
a
more
General
conversation,
but
couldn't
we
do
this
in
a
way
that
says
every
three
years
every
year,
whatever
it
may
be,
we
take
on
one
additional
Street.
We
take
on
the
next
additional
street
over
the
next
10
years
or
something
along
those
lines.
G
I
don't
know
if
that
is
a
thing,
but
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
we're
to
slowly
start
an
agreement
with
Orange
County
to
slowly
start
bringing
in
what
we
need
to
to
balance
this,
so
that
it's
not
all
one
lump
sum:
it's
okay,
once
we
get
10
streets
in
with,
then
we
need
a
fire
station,
whatever
it
may
be
again.
I'm.
F
D
D
If
we
were
to
If
This
Were
to
be
implemented
using
the
county,
attorney's
opinion
on
that
matter,
every
single
Road
within
South
Apopka
would
immediately
become
the
city's
jurisdiction
and
that's
the
County's
opinion.
So
at
that
point,
unless
we
have
to
enter
into
a
separate
agreement
with
the
county
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
county,
whether
how
willing
they
are
going
to
be
to
gradually
maintain
if
I
were
sitting
in
the
county,
shoes
and
the
city
comes
along
and
say
we're
going
to
take
all
the
cities.
G
G
I,
don't
need
an
official
opinion
and
a
yes
or
no
I'm,
just
saying
it's
something
to
think
about
that
to
commissioner
Velasquez's
point:
we
don't
need
to
be
spending
seven
million
dollars
right
now.
It
won't
somewhere
around
there.
This
can
be
broken
down.
We
can
eat
this
elephant
little
a
little
bit
at
a
time
if
we
just
think
outside
the
box.
This
isn't
our
final
Workshop
we're
going
to
get
around
this
we're
going
to
keep
discussing
this
more
and
more
and
more
so.
G
We
need
to
I
just
that's
something
that
I
think
we
can
think
about
in
some
capacity
or
somebody
that's
way
smarter
than
I
am
can
actually
Implement
something
like
this
to
say,
okay.
Well,
we
could
get
go
at
this
at
this
in
this
way,
again,
not
looking
for
an
opinion
or
yes
or
no
just
saying
that
that's
could
be
an
Avenue
commissioner,
Velazquez
of
of
how
we
progressively
move
forward.
B
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
they're
places
in
the
city
currently
where
the
city
owns
a
road
but
don't
own
the
right-of-way
and
only
right
away
and
don't
own
the
road.
So
I
don't
understand
this
scenario
that
they're
turning
from
the
counties
putting
forth,
we
have
two
houses
that
we
own
the
entire
Road.
When
that's
not
the
case
today,.
D
No,
that
that
is
the
state
that
the
the
position
of
the
it's
important
to
note,
there's
a
difference
between
ownership
and
title
and
jurisdiction.
So
the
question
now
becomes
with
is
it?
Is
it
a
question
of?
Do
we
have
to
take
all
titles
of
the
roads?
Is
the
county
going
to
enter
into
an
agreement?
Now
the
county
has
been,
and-
and
we
deal
with
this-
a
lot
up
in
the
Kelly
Park
area
where
we've
had
annexations
and
we
have
that
area
and
the
county
still
stands
by
the
position
of
once.
D
D
My
position
is
that
unless
we
actually
have
a
formal
agreement
as
Governor
under
Florida
Statutes,
which
which
transfers
the
title
and
ownership
of
the
right-of-way
from
one
governmental
entity
to
another
ownership,
still
retains
with
the
original
entity
until
that
agreement
is
entered,
the
county
does
not
seem
to
have
the
same
opinion
as
I
do
so
this.
These
are
all
issues
that
I
mean.
H
B
All
right
and
then
in
reference
to
the
the
dollars
and
the
cents
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
we're
not
indexing
tonight
this.
This
is
a
workshop
and,
as
the
chief
of
police
say
earlier,
we
need
to
have
our
plan
in
place,
and
so
since
we
know
that
this
is
the
direction
that
we
want
to
go
into,
then
we
need
to
start
planning
now
and
preparing
for
those
in
the
future.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
shared
concerns
about
the
roadways
and
thankfully,
commissioner
Moore
was
kind
enough
to
schedule
a
meeting
with
some
Orange
County
folks
around
transportation
that
I'm
going
to
be
going
to
in
December,
so
I'll
I'll
hold
judgment
until
then
until
I
have
some
more
fact-based
conversation
to
have,
but
my
assumption
would
be
is
if
a
mass
annexation
took
place,
we
would
just
automatically
assume
all
maintenance
of
those
roadways.
I
mean
Orange.
E
County
is
not
going
to
want
to
count
one
Glide,
Glide
path,
they're
going
to
say
there
you
go
all
right
and
that's
that
would
be
the
assumption
that
I'm
operating
under
but
I
mean.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
I
mean
nothing
on
this
page
screams
special
budgeting.
This
is
stuff
that
we
should
be
budgeting.
Anyways
I
mean
to
Chief
McKinley's
Point.
These
are
officers
that
should
already
be
on
the
books
we're
significantly
below
standard.
E
D
D
E
So
Point
again
point
being
is
that
and
if
that's
the
case,
if
we
have
to
follow
that
kind
of
cadence
of
things,
you're
talking
two,
maybe
even
three
fiscal
years-
that
we're
having
conversations
around
properly
budgeting
this
on
a
proactive
basis
versus
saying
oops,
we
got
to
get
this
now.
Let's
write
you.
H
E
Stroke
to
check
I
just
I,
don't
think
that
we're
in
that
place,
and
so
again,
I
go
to
the
back
to
the
whole
conversation
around.
What
are
the
wants
and
desires
of
the
people
once
we
provide
them
the
factual
basis
or
the
facts
behind
this?
Okay?
What's
the
temperature
check
at
this
point
and
I
firmly
believe
that
you
know
you
know?
E
Okay,
we're
spinning
wheels
here
and
I
think
that
the
most
prudent
thing
to
do
is
to
have
a
survey
that
goes
out
to
both.
You
know
Property
Owners,
even
if
they're
not
going
to
be
voting
in
in
a
particular
election
on
this
matter,
as
well
as
to
the
registered
voters
that
live
within
the
specific
region.
E
And
it's
and
it's
an
assessment
of
hey,
do
you
like
Orange,
County
Services?
You
could
have
95
of
the
people
that
say
they
love
the
county,
great
fantastic.
They
they're
doing
something
for
you
a
lot
of
times
from
what
I've
heard
directly
is
it's
the
accessibility
of
of
government
and,
logically
speaking,
people
that
live
close
to
this
city
hall?
E
Have
this
idea
that
hey
that
that
building
says
City
Hall
on
it
they're
the
ones
that
should
be
making
sure
that
I'm
good
to
go
and
that's
an
education
issue,
but
at
the
same
time
you
understand
where
they're
coming
from
and
so
I
think
that
we
have
a
survey
that
goes
out
to
say:
hey.
Are
you
satisfied
with
Orange
County
Services?
E
Do
you
feel
like
they're
accessible?
Do
they
feel
like
they
meet
your
need
from
a
government
perspective?
If
you
were
to
change
the
because
I
think
Orange
County
could
use
this
as
constructive
kind
of
feedback
too.
If
there's
services
that
you
feel
are
lacking
from
accounting
perspective,
which
ones
would
you
lean
into
and
want
their
County
representative
to
say,
hey
we've
got
to
fix
these
things.
Then
you
kind
of
transition
into
something
that
says
okay.
E
Now,
if
you
were
to
consider
annexation
into
the
city
of
Apopka,
here's
what
you're
looking
at
here's
a
price
tag,
but
not
just
the
price
tag,
the
services
we
talked
about
the
twice
a
week,
sanitation,
pickup
we
talked
about
you
know
what
a
fully
staffed
law
enforcement
police
agency
could
be.
We
talked
about.
E
You
know,
accessibility
to
Fire
and
Rescue
Services,
one
of
the
some
of
the
benefit
statements
that
kind
of
compare
not
not
politically
motivated,
but
just
kind
of
a
metric
that
says
here's
what
county
offers
here's,
what
city
would
offer
and
then
here's
your
bottom
line,
what
it
means
to
you
as
a
taxpayer
or
as
a
resident,
and
then
it
gives
them
to
say
How
likely.
Are
you
to
Annex
into
the
city
of
Apopka?
Knowing
these
facts?
E
What
are
the
things
that
and
if,
if
you're,
not
interested
in
it,
why
are
you
not
interested
in
it?
Is
it
purely
financially
driven?
Do
you
not
think
that
the
city
of
Apopka
provides
the
services
commiserate
to
Orange
County,
but
it
get
Elisa
gives
us
a
pulse
of
what
we're
really
dealing
with
that
way.
The
next
time
we
come
back
and
have
a
conversation
like
this,
we
can
use
some
of
that
insight
to
help
drive.
It's
not
the
end-all,
be-all.
E
I
think
that
final
decision
is
going
to
be
after
we've
all
kind
of
digested.
What
we've
heard
tonight,
along
with
the
feedback
that
we
hear
from
the
public
at
Large,
but
it
all
goes
to
serve
to
to
that
so
that
we
can
make
the
best
educated
decision
possible
and
I
think
that's
all
what
we're
having
I
and
I
thank
the
mayor
I.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
together
having
a
very
formal
presentation
on
the
matter.
This
has
been
very,
very
helpful,
but
I
think
that's
to
me.
E
K
Commissioner,
to
that
point,
what
eventually
we've
been
talking
about
as
a
staff
is,
is
doing
that
we
want
to
get
this
information
out.
Get
the
facts
out,
give
everybody
the
facts.
The
information
make
sure
you
have
everything,
and
that
was
one
thing.
We
talked
about
doing
a
a
poll,
a
survey
in
this
area.
First
of
all,
to
see
what
the
what
the
wishes
are,
because
you're
right,
if
it's
75,
say
I'm
happy
with
Orange
County,
then
you
know
we're
wasting
our
time.
E
K
G
Know
so,
to
kind
of
add
to
that
and
kind
of
kind
of
refine.
Your
idea,
just
a
little
bit
more
I
think
it
would
be
more
impactful
if,
instead
of
having
kind
of
just
blind
surveys,
if
we
had
somebody
who
hired
a
independent
third
party,
that's
not
from
a
papa
in
intermediary
of
sorts
that
kind
of
goes
and
hosts
town
halls
in
local
churches,
Civic
centers,
whatever
it
may
be
in
South
Apopka
specifically
that
has
the
dialogue,
has
a
conversation
kind
of
compiles
all
that
for
us
and
then
presents
it
to
us.
G
I
I,
don't
like
blind
surveys,
I
I,
don't
think
I
think
we
can
interpret
that
information
a
little
too
many
ways
and
I,
don't
like
that.
So
I
think
having
an
intermediary
that
doesn't
have
a
stake
in
the
game.
One
way
or
the
other
I
think
would
help
to
represent
all
sides
better
and
not
be
again,
not
not.
Try
to
sway
the
information
one
or
the
other.
So
I
think
that
would
kind
of
be
a
more
impactful
way
is
to
have
somebody
like
that,
and
then
they
can
present
it
and
I.
G
Think
to
your
point
as
well:
an
additional
step
is:
we
need
to
decide
how
once
we
have
that
information
where
we
go
from
there,
whether
it's
a
vote
that
is
both
City,
proper
and
unincorporated,
or
is
it
just
unincorporated
the
pros
the
cons
to
all
those
scenarios,
the
timelines
things
like
that
so
to
your
point,
absolutely
I
think
I
think
that's
definitely
a
great
idea:
I,
just
don't
I,
don't
prefer
blind
surveys.
I'd
really
prefer
to
have
hire
somebody
a
third
party
that
can
go
in
and
have
that
open
dialogue
to
really
see.
G
Not
only
are
you
happy
yes
or
no?
Why
are
you
not
happy?
What
is
what
is
your
resident?
What
is
your
specific
issue
so,
and
it's
a
lot
to
learn
too,
that
it's
not
actually
the
homeowners,
the
residents
only
voting
members
that
can
decide
this,
which
is
interesting
to
me
because
it
can
be
somebody
can
own
13,
15
homes
down
there
and
not
have
a
say
in
this.
Only
their
tenants
do
so.
That's.
E
Is
again
you
want
to
have
both
residents
now
there
could
be
people
that
live
in
a
tenant
kind
of
relationship,
not
a
non-owner
occupied
property
that
have
lived
there
for
decades.
Sure
and
you
do
want
to
have
their
their
perspective,
but
at
the
same
time,
too,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
property
owner
is
going
to
be
the
one
that's
on
the
hook,
for
whatever
Financial
outcomes
come
as
a
result
of
the
final
vote.
I
completely
agree,
I
mean
I,
think
the
outcome
that
I'm
looking
for
whether
it's
a
blind
survey.
E
E
But
you
know
if
we're
talking
deficit,
money
and
things
like
that
is
an
opportunity
again
to
kind
of
clean
up
the
jagged
edges
of
Apopka,
so
not
just
necessarily
having
South
Apopka
in
view,
but
other
areas
that
are
that
would
be
both
kind
of
viewed
as
good
areas
to
Annex,
both
from
a
county
perspective
and
for
City,
because
again,
if
it's
a
cost
savings
from
an
Opex
perspective
from
Orange
County
to
say,
hey
we're
really
having
to
go
too
far.
It's
not
really
advantageous
for
us,
but
hey!
E
B
I
I
just
like
to
say:
if
we're
going
to
do
the
facilitator
from
outside
individual
that
not
only
do
we
have
a
facilitator
to
do
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
indexing
in,
but
also
that
same
facilitator
also
holds
workshops
for
the
current
city
residents
as
well,
so
that
we
have
an
equal
representation
and
it's
done
in
the
same
way
on
both
sides
and
so
I.
That's
what
I
think
would
be.
G
G
A
K
For
one
over
five
that
you
have
as
well
so
currently
our
Miller's
rated
4.1876
and
we
generate
about
20
million
dollars
right
now,
it's
everywhere
we're
set.
If
we
had
to
cover
the
two
million
dollar
deficit,
if
you
will
have
the
only
place
we
can
get
from.
Is
your
property
tax?
It's
only
Revenue
Source!
You
have
that
you
can
get
that
from
about
point
four
four
tenths
of
a
mill
we're
generally
about
two
million
dollars,
so
it's
kind
of
without
Capital.
So
keep
in
mind.
This
is
Uncle
Capital.
A
A
U
U
U
1968
friends,
I'll
Drive,
Apopka
32703,
real
nervous
I've-
never
done
this
before
so
my
apologies
so
anyway,
I
appreciate
what
the
board's
trying
to
do
here.
The
motivation
for
annexation
is
without
question.
Everybody
wants
everybody
to
be
better,
there's
a
lot
of
provided
area
over
in
the
south
of
Pop
area
and
and
honestly
think
that
they
could
use
what
we
have
and.
U
What
I
think
we
need
to
do?
What
I
think
could
be
done
more
is
to
communicate
more
with
the
needs
of
the
area
to
Orange
County
they're,
better
able
to
take
care
of
Orange
County
Orange
County
has
a
5.9
billion
dollar
budget,
where
Apopka
is
at
65
million
and
to
break
that
down
a
little
bit
for
every
hundred
dollars.
That
Apopka
has
Orange.
County
has
four
grand
who's
better
able,
so
honestly,
I
think
they
could
be
a
disservice
to
Annex
Apopka,
because
we
don't
have
money.
U
As
I
was
saying,
it
could
be
a
disservice
to
a
South
Apopka
to
Annex
them,
because
we
don't
have
the
money
that
Orange
County
has
Apopka.
This
year
we
had
a
a
revenue
increase
over
two
years
of
23
percent.
That's
the
best
Apopka
has
ever
ever
done
in
the
history
of
Apopka.
We
went
from
in
2021
a
budget
of
52
million
dollars.
U
U
So
in
order
to
Service
South
Apopka
taxes
will
necessarily
have
to
be
increased.
Millions
was
in
Services
was
discussed
tonight,
infrastructure
alone
is
going
to
be
millions
and
if
we
put
in
pipes
and
water-
and
we
have
a
I-
think
it's
a
250
million
dollar
water
plant
we've
got
to
build.
Is
that
what
it
costs,
250
million
so
with
the
water
plant
cost?
You
were
talking
about
60.,
oh,
it
was
a
50
million.
It's.
E
U
U
U
U
V
No
I
mean,
like
you
said:
we
know
one
Workshop
won't
fix
it,
but
when
it
comes
to
something
the
city
wants
when
money
never
issued,
but
when
it
comes
to
something
that
means
near
and
dear
to
the
people
of
Apopka
of
South
apocal.
We
all
we
got
an
issue
and
please
don't
refer
to
South
Africa
a
day
again,
because
they
matters
I
got
offended.
When
you
say
they,
they
only
pay
1.2
of
the
budget.
They
they
matters
and
also
the
city
received
water
bills
from
how
many
houses
in
South
Apopka.
V
What
is
the
budget
of
how
many
houses
paid
water
bill
to
the
city
of
Apopka?
Also
the
resources?
Three
percent,
he
said
three
percent
makes
South
the
park
a
little
bad.
Those
three
percent
are
lack
resources.
Those
three
percent
are
lack.
Recreation
I
mean
we're
lacking
resources,
job,
affordable
housing.
So
before
you
go
to
taking
shots
at
South
Apartment,
let's
see
how
the
county
has
underserved
South
Apopka.
V
Let's
see
how
the
city
doesn't
care
about
South
department
and
then
once
you
see
all
that,
you
see
why
South
Apopka
looks
the
way
so
the
way
of
South
Department
look
is
the
city
of
Apopka
and
Orange
County
problem.
So
it's
not
the
powerful
problem
because
you
have
people
in
South
the
park
with
that
get
up
every
day
and
go
to
work,
even
the
jobs
that
you
have
up
here.
V
You
can
fill
those
jobs
without
the
pocket
put
on
workshops
in
South
Apopka
give
the
people
resources,
give
the
people
a
hope,
and
we
know
what
that
is.
We
know
what
it
is.
The
problem
you
said,
junkyard
in
the
people
out
they
counted
on
service
off
the
Parker
like
it
does.
She
looks
I
stand
she
Lo
Houston
yeah,
but
I
love,
South,
Park
and
I
wish
I
could
have
bought
my
house
in
South
Apopka,
but
the
county
is
not
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
V
The
city
showed
us
how
many
years
they
don't
care
simple,
as
that
the
city
doesn't
care
about
the
problem
in
South
Apopka.
So
now
we
need
to
face
the
issue
at
hand.
Stop
worrying
about
money
because
you
know
where
the
money
you
just
said:
56
million
dollars
for
public.
We
got
the
money.
I
know
you
have
the
money.
You
know
you
have
the
money,
let's
stop
making
excuses
about.
Why
we're
not
getting
things
done
please
and
stop.
V
Please
stop
taking
shots
at
South
Apopka,
because
I
get
offended
because
that's
not
the
people
of
South
the
park,
a
problem,
the
people
inside
the
problem,
underserved
under
resources-
and
we
all
know
that
give
us
the
research
I
wrote
it
down.
He
said
the
the
chief
said:
give
us
the
resources
so
give
us
the
resources.
So
we
can
make
a
difference
within
our
community.
Give
us
the
backing.
Give.
V
Let
us
know
that
you
care,
because
I
know
for
a
fact
when
I
pay,
my
water
bill
I
come
to
the
city
of
Apopka
because
she
pays
a
water
bill.
She
comes
up
here.
So
that
means
the
seat
of
a
pocket.
Has
a
piece
of
property
on
every
house
in
South,
Apopka
am
I
right
or
wrong.
Do
every
house
in
South
Department
pay
water
bill
over
here?
V
V
So
that
is
that
is
that
a
part
of
the
budget
we
pay?
For
that
too,
we
pay
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
because
I'm,
sick
and
tired
of
this
when
the
city
of
a
pocket
won't
count
wee
wall
Saturday
concerts
at
the
amphitheater.
They
find
money
for
everything
you
want,
but
when
it
comes
to
something
that
needs
to
be
done,
we
got
to
have
this
and
we
got
to
have
that
and
we
all
know
it's
a
bunch
of
baloney.
A
W
Mayor,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
this
Workshop,
it's
kind
of
troubling
that
we
talking
about
less
than
1500
people.
The
chief
got
up
here
and
I'm
glad
commissioner
Smith
brung
it
up.
He
projected
this
year
coming
into
Apopka
21
000
people,
21
000
people
coming
in,
and
we
can
see
down
the
pike
where
we
can
take
care
of
them.
Twenty
one
thousand
and
can't
do
nothing
about
these
1500.
W
I.
Look
at
the
1500.
Like
a
movie.
You
remember
Angel
City,
where
they
kept
everybody
in
confinement
and
they
go
out
to
work
every
time
they
go
out
to
work.
They
have
to
spend
their
money
at
The,
Company
Store,
for
these
1500
people.
For
the
last
74
years,
the
city
of
Apopka
been
The
Company
Store,
they
do
their
grocery
shopping.
Here
they
wash
their
clothes
here
they
send
their
kids
here
to
school.
They
buy
gas
here
they
contribute
to
the
city
of
Apopka,
the
man
brung
up.
Oh
what
about
these
septic
tank?
W
We're
going
to
have
to
hit
every
marker
this
this
that
if
we
need
to
get
off
septic
tank
well,
you
got
the
county
commissioner,
setting
up
here
up
north
in
Apopka.
They
had
to
come
off
on
the
count
of
the
same
measures
that
you
have
to
meet
by
the
state
had
to
come
off
of
septic
tank
and
go
on
City,
Water,
correct
and
that
price.
What
happened
to
that
price
tag?
W
W
W
If
people
are
on
this
side
of
town
in
the
city,
none
of
these
people
in
South
Apopka
have
contributed
to
the
city
of
Apopka
and
I.
Just
think
it's
unfair!
It's
really
unfair.
You
got
31
million
dollars
sitting
in
a
friend
Bank
that
we
can
use
some
of
this
money
to
help
Annex
South
Apopka
and
it's
not
them
or
they
it's
the
citizen
of
Apopka.
Thank
you.
X
X
We
both
talked
me
in
South
Africa,
and
it
was
agriculture,
so
we
get
taxed
because
we're
agriculture,
but
next
door
to
me.
We
got
a
cell
division
and
they
they
price.
Their
houses
is
way
up
there
and
mine
had
to
get
up
there.
We're
dead
and
man.
I
got
a
little
house.
I
got
a
little
small
house
I'm
one
of
these
guys,
the
the
five
trucks
and
they
they
can't
get
to
buy
a
house.
They
can't
get
to
my
house.
X
They
gotta
back
down
I'm
on
the
last
two
dirt
roads
in
in
South,
Apopka,
remember:
two
thirds
left
and
I
live
on.
It's
a
five
five
whales
in
South
Apopka.
Now
I
got
two
of
them.
I
got
two
of
them,
but
then
the
inspect
my
water
all
the
time
and
they
do
all
this
good
stuff.
But
the
county
can't
do
anything
because
I
don't
have
an
evening.
X
They
they
the
county.
What
the
problem
was
there
used
to
be
a
road
railroad
right
away
in
the
county.
The
city
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
railroad
right
away,
who
had
a
walk
path
at
and
then
the
city
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
nobody
doing
anything
about
yo,
the
dump,
the
trash
and
all
the
stuff
that
goes
down
old,
Apopka
Road
cause
nobody,
nobody
got
ownership,
nobody
got
their
ownership,
I
owned
him
for
information.
X
X
I
got
100
by
200
foot
property
and
had
to
give
up
15
foot
of
that
for
them
to
put
a
easement
to
drive
down
to
that
location,
but
other
people
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
they
got
to
give
up
another
15
foot,
because
the
county
won't
do
anything
because
they
can't
do
anything
because
you
don't
have
a
right
away.
You
got
to
have
at
least
15
for
the
right
away.
No,
what
that
happened?
X
What
happened
now
you
got
60
by
100
instead
of
100
by
200,
you
shut
down,
but
I'm
here
for
information.
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
just
want
to
let
y'all
know
I'm
one
of
those
persons
that
live
out
there
and
got
all
these
problems
and
I
don't
want
to
know
which
I
was
going
to
do
to
help
me
out.
Thank.
M
O
O
O
V
O
V
V
Well
to
me,
it
was
struggling
because
I
was
seeing
it
now
and
so
I'm
gonna
take
the
words
of
Nelson
Mandela
poverty
is
man-made,
it's
not
by
accident.
It's
been
me
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
see?
I
would
like
to
see
another
Workshop
I
would
like
to
see
another
Workshop
that
see
why
South
Apopka
it's
in
the
condition
that
is
in,
let's
have
a
fact-based
checking,
let's
bring
out
all
the
fingers,
let's
bring
out
what
happened
back
in
the
20s
and
the
30s,
because
soccer
popular
just
didn't
get
like
that.
V
It
was
me
and
me,
Mr
color
did
a
very
interesting
piece
about
South
Apopka.
He
went
back
to
the
years
of
the
KKK.
He
went
back
to
the
years
of
racism,
but
I
had
a
big
disagreement
when
I
started
reading,
he
said
well,
we
just
want
to
point
out
some
things,
but
we
don't
want
to
Point
blame
at
none
of
the
residents
are
Point
blame
and
none
of
the
the
the
city,
official
or
the
government.
That's
the
problem.
V
Nobody
wants
accountability
in
order
to
move
forward.
You
gotta
admit
there
was
a
problem
and
we
got
to
come
to
terms
what
was
wrong
and
what
went
wrong
and
asked
for
forgiveness,
because
for
me,
if
you
really
look
at
everything,
the
city
of
apocal
accept
me
apologizing
to
the
residents
over
in
South
Africa.
The
way
they've
been
retreated,
they
should
be
apologizing.
V
V
The
government
strategically
put
South
Apopka
in
the
position
they're
in
so
if
we
can
have
another
Workshop,
let's
have
a
fact-based
workshopping
on
the
making
of
South
Africa
how
it
came
about
because
some
of
the
people
back
then
was
in
the
KKK
are
still
some
of
them
sitting
in
this
room.
As
we
speak
now
and
so
like
in
my
last
presentation,
I
asked:
do
laws
change
moral
conscious?
No,
they
don't
on
your
heart.
V
Darkness
cannot
drive
our
doctors
as
Martin
Luther
King
said
I
like
can
I
draw
about.
Only
like
can
hate
can't
drive
about
hate,
Only,
Love
Can.
Isn't
it
about
time
we
start
coming
together
as
one
isn't
it
about
time.
We
start
coming
together
as
a
community
as
one
and
give
love
a
chance.
Thank
you,
sir
foreign.
S
I.
Just
don't
like
that
term.
South
Apopka,
because
I've
asked
a
question
numerous
times.
How
do
you
define
self
Apopka
I?
Think
we
missed
out
in
1984
when
annexing
unincorporated,
Apopka
When
It
Was
Defeated
at
at
the
polls
in
1984.,
and
that
happened
because
the
city
of
Orlando
was
in
process
of
consolidating
unincorporated,
Orange
County,
which
would
have
included
Apopka
so
fast
forward.
Well,
apoca
did
not
want
to
lose
its
identity,
so
they
came
up
with
the
annexation
plan.
S
S
C
It's
not
the
way
to
live.
I
come
from
up
North
up
north.
We
have
the
freezing
and
thawing
which
causes
Road
problems.
You
don't
have
that
here,
but
the
roads
are
in
horrible,
safe
shape,
I'm
not
going
to
dive
into
schools
at
this
point.
You'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
down
the
road,
but
the
schools
are
not
collecting
the
information
that
help
can
help
make
the
case
with
the
state
in
order
to
have
schools
built.
So
we
don't
have
overcrowding,
wonderful,
the
county
has
gone
from
2000
to
500
Portables,
but
even
the
new
property.
C
The
new
school
that
we
have
here
in
Apopka
they've
got
a
slot
for
12
affordables
for
the
first
time
in
16
years,
they're
going
to
pull
41
of
the
42
Port
Opals
off
the
wolf
Floyd
campus,
and
that's
only
because
they
opened
Kelly
Park.
We
need
to
get
our
feet
underneath
us.
We
keep
doing
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
expecting
a
different
outcome.
It's
described
as
insanity
or
my
business
I
learned.
If
you
always
do
what
you
always
done,
you
always
get
what
you
always
got.
Thank
you.
F
You
have
you
done
a
great
job
on
your
street
lighting
to
get
street
lights.
There
we've
had
numerous
efforts
on
the
trail
to
try
to
get
that
cleaned
up
and
I'll
be
looking
to
offer
some
sort
of
a
bike
ride
event.
Next
year
on
The
West,
Orange
Trail,
one
of
the
other
things
I
did
and
mayor
Bell,
but
told
me
to
mention
it.
We
took
the
the
signs
down
that
said,
South
Apopka,
because
it
was
very
controversial
and
the
signs
did
not
look
good.
There
was
not
an
agreement
on
what
to
say
so.
F
I
just
took
him,
I
am
taken
down,
so
there
you
wouldn't
find
anything
from
us
that
says
South
Apopka
anymore
at
the
county.
If
we
are
going
to
go
into
some
sort
of
a
facilitated
Workshop
to
get
people's
opinion,
I
think
you
would
want
to
give
the
county
a
chance
to
make
sure
that
the
the
facts
that
we
agree
on
the
facts
there's
some
things
up
there.
F
That
I
would
like
my
staff
to
check
I
appreciate
when
you
you
did
go
to
to
the
county,
but
there's
a
few
things
that
I
think
both
bodies
should
agree
and
and
would
agree
on
the
presentation
so
that
it
would
be
fair
and
objective
and
and
I
think
the
issue.
Is
you
know
what
did
the
people
want
to
do?
It's
certainly
been
my
honor
to
serve
and
I
know
it's
the
counties
and
the
County's
honored
to
serve
we're
glad
to
do
that
glad
to
pour
extra
money
in
there.
F
Y
Y
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
on
how
we
can
do
different
things
differently.
Moving
forward,
there
has
been
some
blacks
from
the
county
in
regards
to
South
Apopka,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
still
have
to
make
the
best
decision
for
the
citizen
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
know
money
is
the
issue,
but
we
also
have
to
look
at
overall
quality
of
life
of
people.
Y
Orange
County
does
great
things
in
different
areas,
particularly
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
is
outstanding
when
it
comes
to
they
having
the
ability
to
put
the
sources
on
the
ground
when
something
does
happen,
but
there
again
we
have
this
standpoint
of
police
community
policing
somewhere
that
you
always
see
throughout
the
community,
which
may
also
tamper
down
some
of
the
drive-by
shootings
that
we
have
had
recently.
So
a
lot
of
these
things
can't
possibly
be
avoided,
which
ultimately
I
think
that's
what
we're
looking
for.
Y
I,
don't
think
resident
soccer
popular
looking
for
a
handout.
First
of
all,
I
just
think
we're
looking
at
just
want
to
respect,
because
for
so
long
it's
been
overlooked
and
it's
been
able,
because
you
can't
really
point
a
finger
at
one
person
right.
So
it
gives
you
the
ability
to
come
here
and
speak
to
someone
because
you're
much
closer
to
Orange
County
and
it's
something
that
I
dealt
with
personally
when
I
worked
here,
so
I
kind
of
understand
what
they
mean
when
they
come
to
the
city.
Y
Looking
for
answers
and
things
that
nature
and
you
have
to
send
them
to
roslings,
well,
201,
South,
Roslin,
Road,
all
right,
rosin,
Avenue,
But,
ultimately,
I'm,
just
thankful
that
we
did
have
a
discussion.
Hopefully
we
can
take
some
points
not
only
just
analyzing,
South
Apopka,
but
also
analyze
Apopka,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
things
that
came
out
that
kind
of
opened
our
eyes
to
things
that
when
it's
doing
budget
seating,
no
one
really
speaks
to
those
matters.
And
it's
kind
of
concerning.
Y
When
you
hear
these
numbers
and
we're
understanding
so
many
areas,
but
yet
we're
paying
taxes
now
for
the
best
service
possible
right
now,
if
we
got
9
000
homes
coming
along
we're
tremendously
behind
in
some
areas
you
got
cities
that
don't
have
that
many
homes
and
we
got
that
coming
on
the
books
in
the
next
probably
36
months.
So
we
need
to
look
at
that
deeply
in
detail,
because
that's
a
major
concern
for
all.
It's
involved
us
here
now
versus
Anderson
South
apocalypse,
and
we
will
put
them
at
the
service
cost.
Y
Then
you
wonder,
would
you
would
they
come
second
to
certain
other
areas?
So
you
have
to
take
that
into
mind,
because
if
you've
been
overlooked
for
so
long,
you
have
to
wonder:
am
I
going
to
get
treated
fairly
when
I
do
get
into
this
area.
So
just
just
general
concerns
that
I
see
what
I
do
think.
This
has
been
a
great
opportunity
that
we
should
look
for
to
do
more
and
not
just
at
one
point
in
time
in
I,
guess,
20
years,
because
there
again,
the
inner
local
agreement
has
been
in
place
since
2004.
Y
That
has
said
that
the
seat
of
a
pocket
in
Orange
County
Work
forth
in
this
matter,
so
it's
been
going
almost
20
or
18
years
now.
So
it's
not
something.
That's
very
new
to
us.
It's
just
that
we're
taking
the
steps
we
go
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
want
to
commend
you
for
taking
that
step.
You
know
so
I'm,
just
thankful
that
we
had
discussion
that
you're
able
to
have
discussions
from
the
residents
directly
who's
going
to
be
impacted
because
ultimate
is
their
safe.
Y
You
know
and
then
to
get
a
tax
increase
is
not
going
to
get
better
Services.
Nobody
really
wants
that,
but
also
as
a
current
citizen,
I
want
to
double
look
at
what
am
I
getting
now,
and
you
know
I'm
here
all
the
time
bringing
up
something
and
I
got
a
Litany
of
things
that
I
want
to
bring
forth
when
the
time
comes
on,
but
I
just
thank
you
guys
for
at
least
having
discussion
and
moving
ball
forward.
So
thank
you
again.
Thank
you.
Rogers.
A
G
No
I
think
I
mean
we
had
a
lot
of
dialogue
up
here
already
I
appreciate
everyone
coming
out
in
your
comments.
I
know:
there's
some
Pro,
some
against
and
and
again
it's
got
to
be
something
that
I
think
a
facilitator
will
definitely
be
advantageous
to
present
fact,
based
with
accounting
with
Apopka,
with
everybody
involved.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
advantageous
and
then
also
having
us
have
separate
conversations,
because
we
need
to
talk
about
Services.
G
We
need
to
talk
about
what
values
we
are
creating
and
one
value
we
didn't
talk
about,
and
it's
one
I
bring
up
a
lot.
It's
it's
and
you
can't
quantify
it.
It's
just
intrinsic
value.
Mr
Bell
kind
of
spoke
on
that
is
that
the
residents
of
unincorporated
Apopka
are
are
shopping
here.
They're
spending
taxes
here,
but
they
don't
get
to
vote
here.
They
they
get
to
send
our
their
kids
here
and
all
that,
but
they
don't
get
to
actually
make
any
decisions
here
so
and
that's
an
intrinsic
value.
G
That's
not
a
financial
value,
so
I
think
that's
just
something
taken
into
account
again.
It's
What!
The
residents
want
well
the
voting
residence
I.
Guess
it's
not
even
the
residents
himself,
but
the
voting
that
just
still
shocks
me
that
that's
who
decides
it
so
and
not
the
actual
people
there
so
either
way,
I'm
excited
for
what
we've
started
and
I'm
excited
for
where
we're
going
and
I
think
we
should
come
up
with
I
guess
our
next
steps
from
here
as
well.
G
I
guess
agree
tonight
on
what
we
need
to
do
from
here.
What
we
plan
to
do
from
here,
whether
it's
setting
an
additional
Workshop
which
I
don't
think
we
should
do
I
think
we
should
Implement
a
facilitator
that
will
come
in
and
and
speak
to
both
Incorporated
unincorporated,
Apopka
and
and
then
come
back
in
I.
Don't
know
February,
March
and
present
to
us,
and
then
we
can
have
an
additional
Workshop
or
just
have
some
type
of
council
meeting
that
says,
with
that
information,
here's
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
XYZ
or
hey!
G
B
D
B
B
B
I've
never
lost
my
identity.
I
still
understand
what
it
means
to
be
in
the
graveyard
where
we
had
people
by
the
name
of
P
Crona
book
Peter,
oh
baby,
sister,
nay,
baby
skeechy
and
we
were
a
community
and
Apopka
wasn't
always
separated
it
wasn't
until
the
ordinance.
It
was
passed
that
created
the
separation
of
the
races
of
people
and
divided
us,
and
there
was
a
lawsuit
brought
about
dowdell
against
the
city
of
Apopka
because
of
discrimination
that
was
taking
place,
and
so
that
was
88
years
ago.
B
B
B
B
And
there
are
people
that
was
in
my
High
School
class
that
said
that
I
ever
turned
18
I'm,
leaving
this
place
and
I'm
not
coming
back
and
it's
because
of
the
conditions
that
existed
and
then
unincorporated
part
of
Apopka
and
those
individuals.
They
come
back
now
for
class
reunions
for
homegoing
services
for
their
loved
ones.
B
B
G
E
C
E
But
to
to
get
back
to
the
dollars
and
cents
of
it,
too
is
again.
We
can't
look
at
this
as
a
in-ear.
It
all
collapses
on
our
head
in
one
fiscal
year,
and
so
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
up
here
to
talk
about
what
the
millage
impact
or
millage
increase
would
be
we're
not
we're
not
boiling
the
ocean
at
once.
We
have
time
and
again,
we
should
not
have
dollars,
be
an
obstacle
to
further
conversation
to
strategize.
How
to
do
this.
Commissioner,
Moore
I
completely
agree.
E
Again,
if,
if
we
are
subject
to
having
this
on
the
next
general
election,
again
we're
talking
about
time
to
build
that
that
Runway
in
terms
of
budget
again
to
go
back
to
my
earlier
point
and
and
certainly
I
got,
you
know,
feedback
from
non
from
residents
that
live
on
the
Northern
section
of
town
around.
You
know
this
being
punitive
to
current
city
taxpayers,
but
again
I
argue
the
fact
that
you
know
what's
being
presented
from
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
Public
Services.
E
These
are
all
expenditures
that
we
we
need
as
of
yesterday,
regardless
of
this
annexation
conversation
and
the
fact
of
the
matter.
The
development
ideas
is
a
kind
of
a
slippery
slope.
Right
on
one
hand,
we
need
tax
base
to
pay
for
some
of
this
stuff
out
of
the
general
fund.
You
can't
get
some
of
this
tax
base
unless
you
unlock
the
new
development.
That's
coming
in
we've
had
an
historically
depressed
tax
rate.
I
know
that
it
gets
politicized,
but
our
tax
rate
has
been
lower
than
what's
needed
to
run
this
city.
E
That's
just
the
fact
of
the
matter:
we're
understaffed
in
the
building
department.
So
there's
a
net
you
can.
You
can
Heap
9900
units
within
that
backlog,
2
million
units
within
that
backlog?
If
the
funnel
only
allows
for
500
units
to
be
go
online
every
year
we
know
it's
coming.
We
know
how
to
plan,
for
it.
E
So,
to
say
that
rapid
growth
is
our
problem,
I
don't
agree
with
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
plan
the
planning
part
of
it
is
what
is
problematic
and
I'll.
Take
accountability
for
that,
and
it's
something
that
we
need
to
fix,
but
I
hope
that
everybody
up
here,
as
well
as
staff
agrees
with
that
sentiment,
but
I
I,
just
I,
think
that
you
know
again
going
the
cost
to
say
that
cost
is
going
to
deter
it
for
further
conversation
is,
is
not
something
I
would
even
Explore
entertaining
I.
Just
think
that
we.
L
They
saved
me
for
last.
Obviously,
I
don't
have
the
footprint
from
apopka's
history,
but
I
certainly
have
the
footprint
where,
when
I
came
here
in
2000,
actually
2004s
when
I
bought
my
home,
but
when
I
moved
here
in
2005,
what
I
found
interesting
was
that
you
know
I
would
ask
neighbors
would
give
me
a
perspective.
Tell
me
a
little
bit
about
Apopka
and.
L
I
would
get
up
at
six
in
the
morning
and
drive
to
South
Apopka
and
because
I
wanted
to
see
why
couldn't
I
cross
the
railroad
tracks
and
after
about
two
or
three
days,
I
came
home
and
I
told
my
husband,
I
I,
don't
understand
why
we
can't
cross
it.
I
said
it's:
it's
a
black
community
I
said,
but
in
New
York
City
that
I
mean
we
were
not
separated
that
way.
So
for
me
it
was
It
was
kind
of
difficult.
L
L
That
was
underrepresented
and
it
included
the
black
community
included
the
Hispanic
Community,
but
I
feel
that
over
the
years
as
commissioner
as
a
resident
that
I've
come
to
understand
about
God
I've
come
to
understand
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
meet
as
a
commissioner
and
I.
Remember
and
I
brought
this
because
I
do
remember
in
2015
November
2015,
and
you
would
know
that.
Mr
Bell
is
that
we
had
started.
L
So
the
fact
that
I'm,
here
with
this
I'm
grateful
and-
and
this
is
the
start-
and
there
is
a
lot
of
you-
know-
there's
a
lot-
that's
got
to
go
into
it,
I
respect
so
much
what
commissioner
Smith
brings
to
the
table.
I
respect
what
commissioner
Nestor
I,
certainly
respect.
Kyle
Becker
I
have
been
with
him
for
most
of
the
years,
so
this
is
something
I
really
feel
committed
to,
and
this
is
something
that
I'm
really
proud
that
we
got
to
this
stage
today.
L
A
Okay,
well
I'll
wrap
this
up
got
some
notes
and
I,
don't
even
know
them
all
bring
these
up,
but
I
think
what
you
know,
we've
kind
of
run
through
everybody's
mind
is
maybe
coming
up
talk
about
a
facilitator.
The
question
for
me
and
I
think
we
can
get
supervisor
election
cows
will
be
happy
to
get
us
a
the
mailing
list
of
the
voters
either
in
unincorporated
or
Incorporated.
A
My
suggestion
would
be.
Is
let's
get
that,
let's
start
with
unincorporated?
What
I'm
the
only
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
is.
We've
only
have
two
people
from
unincorporated
here
that
spoke.
Maybe
there's
more
here
and
the
two.
Neither
one
of
them
were
enthusiastic
supporters
of
annexation.
So
if
there
are
a
bunch
of
people
from
unincorporated
that
want
this,
they
didn't
show
up
tonight.
So
let's
be
clear,
they
aren't
here.
A
A
Wasn't
my
that
wasn't
my
point
so
anyway,
I
think
what
I
want
to
do
is
put
together
a
kind
of
a
fact
sheet.
I
I,
but
I
I'd
have
to
disagree
with
commissioner
Becker.
We
have
to
look
at
this
from
a
financial
point.
I
think
we
have
to
say
this
is
what
it's
going
to
cost,
because
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
affect
people
in
North,
Apopka
I
mean
we
we
have
to.
We
have
to
you
know:
are
we
taking
money
away
from
Parks
and
Rec
from
Road
resurfacing,
whatever
those
two
million?
A
Let's
say
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
are
we
have
to
put
that
on
a
piece
of
paper.
We
have
to
make
that
as
as
a
condition
now,
you
can
say
we're
going
to
reduce
the
services
in
in
the
Incorporated
areas
to
make
up
that
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
that
that's
fine
but
but
you've
got
to
have.
That
number
has
to
be
in
there.
That's
part
of
the
the
what
we're
here
to
decide.
A
A
A
legitimate
vote
send
it
just
to
the
unincorporated
of
Popkins,
see
what
their
their
feelings
are,
because
I
I
mean
maybe
I'm
the
only
one
out
here,
but
I
have
not
heard
I've
had
maybe
three
emails
from
unincorporated
Popkins
and
two
of
them
were
against,
and
one
of
them
was
for
so
I'm.
Not
getting
this
Groundswell
of
support
from
the
people
that
are
the
annexed
and
so
I
think
you
have
to
make
you
got
to
make
the
points
you
know.
A
If
you
like
Apopka
Services
I
mean
the
question
would
be:
okay,
are
our
services
better
I
think
they
are
a
little
bit,
but
why
aren't
the
counties
then
equal
to
what
our
services
are?
Why
why
aren't
they
holding
the
county
responsible
for
the
services
they
they
should
be
getting
currently?
So
that's
that's
so
I
want
to
put
together
I'll
work
with
Edward
and
and
the
team
and
we'll
put
together
a
nice
here.
Lay
it
out
and
listen
folks,
I'm
trying
to
be
as
objective
about
this
I
mean
I
could
have
loaded
things.
A
A
This
is
what
I
think
it
will
cost
here's,
what
the
benefits
would
be
for
you
and
then
we
we
move
forward
with
a
with
with
a
a
mailing
to
the
unincorporated
first
and
then
see
what
that
is
like,
because,
obviously,
if
we
go
to
the
the
Incorporated
it
the
number
multiplies
by
30X
because
now
you're
talking
about
it's.
Probably
let's
say
it's
a
dollar
a
voter.
You
know
now
you're
talking,
there's
30
000
Motors,
that's
30
grand
just
for
just
for
Incorporated,
so
I
think.
A
E
With
all
the
respect
mayor,
this
isn't
a
commissioner
Smith
unilateral
decision.
This
is
a
council
decision,
so
I'm
not
sure
why
you
pegged
that
question
to
commissioner
Smith
but
agree
if
you've
totally
checked
out
for
my
conversation
earlier.
This
is
what
we
described
doing
and
to
to
represent
the
fact
that
I,
all
I,
don't
care
about
cost
is
complete
disillusionment.
E
I'm
saying
it
shouldn't
be
the
obstacle
for
us
to
continue
down
the
path
of
exploring
this
further
you're
trying
to
say
that
we
have
to
do
this
all
in
your
spending
and
we
don't
we
don't
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
talk
about
millage
rate
increase,
yet
why?
Why
would
we
talk
about
millage
increase
right
now,
you're
trying
to
bias
you're
trying
to
buy
us
an
audience?
E
It's
a
Glide
path.
Funny!
If
this
takes
over
four
years
of
planning,
our
tax
base
is
going
to
go
up.
Obviously,
property
values
are
going
up,
so
our
tax
base
is
going
to
increase,
there's
economies
of
scale,
we're
going
to
need
to
have
these
police
officers,
fire
departments
Etc
anyways,
so
just
to
say
that
you're,
not
thinking
about
a
financial
strategy
to
attacking
this
you're
thinking,
oh
well,
we
just
got
to
raise
millage
increases.
E
Well,
that's
the
that's
a
lazy
approach
to
the
financial
strategy
of
paying
for
something
like
this
I'm
saying
that
we
don't
need
to
sit
here
and
squabble
over
dollars
and
cents.
Yet
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
conversation.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
in
the
council
decision.
This
is
the
people
that
we're
impacting
their
lives
to
make
that
decision
so
to
bias.
E
G
And
just
one
quick
note
too:
if
we
can
again
I
I
like
the
facilitator
model,
so
I'm,
okay
with
the
mailer,
it's
just
I,
think
having
that
direct
dialogue
too
and
again
it
to
to
whoever's
point
it's
just.
There
is
a
cost
to
it,
of
course,
and
that
does
need
to
be
factored
in.
I
just
think,
there's
certain
times.
If,
if
the
residents
of
unincorporated
pocket
don't
want
to
be
annexed,
the
cost
is
irrelevant
so
I
to
whoever's
point
I'd
rather
figure
out.
Do
they
want
to
is
that
is.
G
A
G
Well,
so
I
I
slightly
disagree
only
that
we've
gotten
the
same
emails
and
they've
said
we
haven't
even
said
them.
The
cost
of
anything
and
they've
said
no
right,
so
so
so
to
to
kind
of
rebut
your
point.
The
cost
is
irrelevant
to
them
because
and
I
don't
mean
them
as
a
derogatory
them.
Unincorporated
right
is
that,
and
especially
the
people
that
have
emailed
us,
the
cost
is
irrelevant
to
them.
It's
specifically.
They
don't
want
to
because
they
they
Mrs
Boykin.
I
G
Got
an
alternative
as
well,
so
that's
where
I
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
cost,
but
to
report
that
again
our
emails
have
not
included
any
cost.
They've
said
we're
good
those
specific
emails,
so
it
all
I'm
asking
to
see
that
side
as
well.
That
I
do
see
what
you're
saying
cost
is
important
that
our
service
is
going
to
get
better
yes
or
no
I
mean
that
that
is
a
huge
benefit,
but
many
people
are
saying
we're
good.
Regardless
of
the
cost,
regardless
of
services.
G
We've
created
this
incredible
Community,
don't
screw
it
up
right
so
and
then
others
feel
otherwise.
So
I
just
think
having
a
facility
to
come
in
first
speak
to
the
to
that
Community
in
in
different
venues,
because
some
people
may
not
be
comfortable
coming
to
City
Hall.
Some
people
may
not
have
our
contact
information
things
like
that.
So
that's
where
I'm
thinking
meet
people
where
they're
at
and
they're
going
to
be
more
comfortable
to
agree,
give
some
dialogue.
So
that
would
be
my
my
request.