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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting March 3, 2021
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on March 3, 2021 at 1:30 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: http://www.apopka.net/agenda
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A
B
Our
heads
together,
heavenly
father,
we
thank
you
so
much
for
this
again,
a
beautiful
day
this
spring
father.
We
ask
you
to
bless
us
here
in
the
city,
as
we
do
the
city's
business.
We
ask
you
to
give
us
wisdom
and
grace
in
all
of
our
decisions,
give
us
clarity
in
our
thought.
Father.
We
also
lift
up
at
this
time
these
two
of
our
employees
that
are
fighting
against
cancer.
B
We
ask
you
father
give
them
encouragement
and
strength
in
their
body
and
their
will
give
their
caretakers
their
doctors
and
all
those
that
minister,
to
them
wisdom
and
grace,
and
all
that
they
do
and
continue
to
give
us
advancement
father
upon
all
of
these
things,
father.
We
also
lift
up
michael
rodriguez
to
you,
as
he
has
been
diagnosed
with
the
covet
father.
We
thank
you
that
you
cause
him
to
overcome
and
be
with
us
again
soon.
We
thank
you.
Father
for
a
good
day
in
jesus
name,
amen,.
B
And
the
fact
of
the
day
on
march
3rd
1931,
president
herbert
hoover
signed
a
congressional
act,
making
the
star-spangled
banner,
the
official
national
anthem
of
the
united
states.
The
star-spangled
banner
was
composed
by
france,
francis
scott
key
on
september
14
1814.
After
witnessing
the
british
bombardment
of
fort
mchenry
in
maryland.
As
part
of
of
the
war
of
1812.,
he
watched
the
massive
assault
upgrade
while
being
detained
on
a
british
ship
and
was
amazed
that
the
fort's
flag
survived
the
siege.
B
B
B
A
Okay,
approval
for
minutes
any
changes
corrections.
I
had
one
little
scrivener's
error
on
the
susan
on
the
workshop
on
page
10.
It
said
really
feeing
people,
I'm
sure
it
meant
feeding.
So
it's
in
the
one
two
third
paragraph
about
midway
through
under
commissioner
banks
and
comments.
So
just
just
the
scrivener's
error
there.
If
not
look
for
motion
to
prove
the
minute
says
red
so
moved
by
commissioner
smith.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
bankston,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
D
E
Yes
mayor,
there
is
a
change
to
the
agenda.
Presentation
number
two
item:
two,
the
economic
development
or
website
has
been
pushed
up
as
requesting
that
we
push
that
to
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
that
presentation
to
the
next
meeting.
F
F
His
american
idol
journey
began
long
before
the
video
you're
getting
ready
to
see
he's
been
through
thousands
upon
thousands
of
contestants
that
tried
out
via
zoom
call.
You
know
things
were
a
little
different
with
the
pandemic
this
year,
so
they
had
to
do
things
a
little
bit
differently,
but
met
with
producer
after
producer
and
eventually
narrowed
down
to
the
few
select
people
that
actually
got
to
travel
to
california
to
be
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
judges.
F
So
that
is
an
amazing
accomplishment
and
within
itself,
but
more
importantly
before
the
video,
I
want
to
say
a
few
things
I
kind
of
pre-warned
him,
but
we
had
a
conversation
the
other
day
just
me
and
him,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
bring
it
up,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
testament
to
his
character
and
his
his
who
jeremiah
says
and
ano
has
been
around
him
for
longer
than
five
minutes
knows
his
character
and
knows
his
his
resolve.
F
We're
talking
about
a
couple
different
things
in
the
airing
of
the
show
coming
up,
and
he
looked
at
me
and
said
you
know
gee.
If
I
don't
want
to
be
and
he's
looking
for
the
right
word,
I'm
like
what
you
know
talk
to
me.
F
It's
not
just
your
god-given
talent
that
separates
you
from
the
rest.
It's
decided
it's.
What
you
did
with
what
you
had
that
makes
you
truly
special
you've
come
to
with
this
experience,
with
a
desire
to
encourage
others
to
use
this
platform
and
turn
around
and
help
the
next
person
and
provide
hope
to
others.
F
G
G
Oh,
I
grew
up
in
apopka,
I
have
a
big
family
and
you
know
my
parents,
you
know
they've
been
working
hard,
all
my
life
they've.
Actually,
my
dad's
80,
currently
wow
80.
yeah.
He
had
me
at
about
56.57
yeah,
so
it
was
pretty
tough
growing
up.
I
grew
up
with
eight
of
my
siblings,
my
parents
and
then
my
two
nephews
makes
13
people
in
the
house
and
it
was
a
two
bedroom
one
bathroom
house.
G
We
grew
up
severely
underprivileged.
The
house
was
actually
pretty
filthy
trash
and.
G
I
Can
I
think
it's
missing
a
little
of
that
smoke?
It's
missing
a
couple.
You
know
it's
like
it's
like
a
person
missing
its
shadow.
I
H
J
I
am
going
to
it's
going
to
be
a
no
for
me
this
trip
around,
but
I
want
to
see
you
back
here.
Thank
you
seriously.
G
I
I
didn't
get
a
golden
ticket,
but
I
couldn't
be
here
if
it
weren't,
for
you
guys
to
support
and
help.
I
love
each
and
every
single
one
of
y'all.
I'm
super
excited
to
get
home
to
you
guys
and
get
back
to
doing
the
job.
I
feel
I
was
destined
to
do
and
that's
being
a
firefighter.
G
A
group
of
special
needs-
kids
actually
came
to
the
station
this
morning
on
a
shuttle
bus,
and
they
brought
me
some
some
personal
cards
they
made.
You
know
thanking
me,
you
know
for
inspiring
them
and
they
also
brought
me
my
own
golden
ticket
that
they
made
for
me
that
they
autographed
on
the
back
saying,
thank
you
for
being
my
american
idol,
and
I
just
thank
you
guys
for
letting
me
be
your
american
idol.
Thank.
A
G
A
A
G
I
so
with
american
idol.
I
signed
a
lot
of
like
you
know,
stuff,
you
know
with
confidentiality
and
stuff
like
that
and
a
lot
of
it
came.
You
know
where
you
know
if
you're
interviewed
on
a
radio
or
in
the
news
and
stuff
like
that,
you
can't
sing
yet
so
I
would
have
to
get
with
you
know.
Producers
obviously,
and
make
sure
that
I'm
good
now
to
do
that.
But
that's.
G
K
You
can,
I
just
say
one
thing.
First
of
all
miles
you're
a
much
prettier
ugly
crier
than
I
am
so
you
did
a
fantastic
job
and
my
youngest
daughter
lucy
was
we
watched
the
show
together
as
a
family,
and
she
was
just
inconsolable
after
after
the
show
she
was
rooting
for
you're
so
hard,
and
I
think
everybody
is
and
you
you
stole
my
line.
I
was
getting
ready
to
say.
K
L
L
Well,
you
know
what
I
told
you
and
I
don't
need
to
have.
I've
been
trying
to
convince
my
friends
from
new
york
that
apopka
exists
and
I
got
so
many
texts
that
night
with
friends
from
new
york.
Is
this.
Your
city?
Is
this
your
city,
so
you
actually
just
showed
not
just
us
here
in
apopka,
but
everyone
around
the
world
and
I
was
so
excited
because
we
love
you.
I
just
you
know
we
just
adore
you
and
your
story
is
just
so
powerful
and
you
will
keep
inspiring.
You
will
keep
inspiring.
L
B
Since
the
day
I
met
you,
it's
what
the
chief
said
is
exactly
true,
there's
something
very
special
about
you
and
your
faith
and
your
your
service
just
shine
through
that
badge
shines
brighter
than
any
gold
ticket.
But
you
know
what
they
said
was
very
true:
I've
been
around
music,
all
my
life
and
what
they
said
was
so
true,
there's
something
very
special
in
your
voice.
I'm
just
glad
we
get
you
for
at
least
another
year
around
here
before.
D
O
That
everybody,
I
believe
around
the
country,
was
sitting
and
waiting
for
you
to
come
on
yeah,
and
I
mean
they
turn
on
the
tvs
at
the
beginning
of
the
show
and
nobody
would
even
move
until
you
came
on
the
show
and
received
phone
calls
from
all
over
everywhere,
and
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
several
your
teachers
from
elementary
all
the
way
through
high
school,
and
they
talk
about
the
gentleman
that
you
are
and
we
can
tell
by
your
humble
spirit
that
it's
inside
of
you
and
we
want
you
to
know
that
apopka
is
very
proud
of
you
of
what
you
have
done
for
our
city
and
what
you
contribute
to
our
city.
O
A
Okay,
the
economic
development
website
is
going
to
be
put
off
to
the
next
council
meeting
edward,
so
we're
we
thought
we'd
have
it,
but
we
hadn't
quite
got
there.
I
think
we'll
have
something
to
look
at
in
the
next
week
or
so,
and
it'll
definitely
be
on
next.
The
next
meetings
agenda:
okay,
we're
at
the
point
where
we've
got
public
comment.
A
P
P
P
Okay,
it's
not
a
city's
problem.
Some
people
make
bad
choices
and
that's
where
they're
there.
Some
people
are
there
because
they
didn't
have
an
option.
That's
where
I
felt
I
didn't
have
anywhere
to
go.
I
couldn't
go
anywhere
because
nobody
would
have
been
around,
because
I
was
in
the
hospital
when
covert
hit
and
everybody
was
freaking
out.
So
I
lived
in
my
truck
in
the
parking
lot
of
walmart
from
march
to
july.
P
Now
I
don't
have
that
problem
now,
but
the
services
that
are
offered
at
the
churches.
Everybody
knows
what
those
are
having
that
building
to
redirect
everybody
again
it
to
me
is
a
waste
of
money.
If
you're
not
going
to
address
the
real
problem
of
teaching
these
people
or
training
these
people
or
helping
these
people
get
clean,
it's
just
a
waste
of
money.
P
P
So
we
sat
in
front
of
stores
and
watched.
These
people
steal
beg,
borrow
whatever
they
could
do,
and
I
use
that
as
a
learning
tool
for
my
daughter,
because
she
feels
bad
every
time
she
sees.
Oh
dad,
we
gotta
give
him
money.
We
gotta
give
him
money,
that's
the
worst
thing
you
can
do
when
they
want
clothes,
you
give
them
clothes,
they
go,
sell
the
clothes.
P
P
Those
are
people
taking
advantage
of
a
situation,
they
get
clothes,
they
sell
them,
they're,
not
wearing
them.
They
get
free
haircuts.
They
take
advantage
of
the
situation
and
all
we're
doing
is
a
city.
If
we
add
another
150
grand
people
are
going
to
continue
to
keep
coming
in.
I'm
watching
them
come
in
every
day
from
different
parts
of
the
city
from
other
cities
and
we're
becoming
a
homeless
center.
Just
like
the
city
of
austin
did
when
I
was
living
there,
just
like
san
francisco
is
doing,
and
it's
not
a
city's
problem.
P
P
I'd
like
to
see
nice
restaurants
come
to
this
town,
but
they
won't,
because
you
can't
even
go
get
gas
without
being
bombarded
at
least
two
or
three
times,
while
you're
pumping
gas
day
or
night.
They
were
night
and,
like
I
said,
I
know
these
people
because
I
was
around
it.
There's
a
gentleman
who
been
in
a
walmart
parking
lot
for
18
months
gets
800
a
month
in
social
security.
P
P
L
L
I
know
but
you're
a
disabled
veteran
and
it
broke
my
heart
to
learn
that
he
had
lived
in
his
truck
for
four
months
and
that's
who
we
should
be
helping
is
there
was
homelessness
as
he
is,
and
and
that's
how
I
came
to
meet
scott.
P
There
was
a
gentleman
that
worked
at
wawa
graveyards,
yeah
living
in
his
car
in
the
cosby
parking
lot,
but
while
unemployed
him
he
found
out,
he
had
cancer
colon
cancer,
which
is
the
same
kind
of
cancer.
I
have,
and
I
helped
him
get
all
kinds
of
help
at
the
hospital
yeah
they
and
he
ended
up
passing
away.
But
nobody
was
there
to
help
him,
but
he
did
it
on
his
own
and
that's
the
kind
of
people
we
should
be
helping,
not
the
people
that
are
looking
for.
The
next
fix.
A
Well,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
what
the
the
centers
to
will
do.
Is
it's
it's
trying
to
find
the
resources?
It's
not
we're
not
handing
out
money,
we're
not,
obviously
not
we're,
not
we're
trying
to
do
a
hand
up
not
a
handout.
I.
A
P
Do
you
need
150
000
building
to
do
that?
I
mean
no
joke,
but
I
took
a
picture
of
a
sign
and
it
said
today
food
being
distributed,
12
30
to
2
30.
right
I
mean
that's
to
me.
That's
a
heck
of
a
lot
cheaper
than
150
000
I'll,
even
donate
the
first
10
signs,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
a
building
to
coordinate
to
tell
people
to
go
where
they
already
know
they're
going,
they
already
are
going
there.
B
So
you
know,
but
I
really
take
all
of
your
comments
to
heart
and
have
still
been
mulling.
Is
this
the
best
route
to
go,
but
having
been
in
that
situation
and
trying
to
work
with
others
to
say,
hey
this
one,
I
believe,
is
just
gaming.
The
system
we
need
to
communicate
with
each
other.
That
was
what
more
excited
me
about.
This
possibility
was
that
it
would
stop
some
of
the
abuses
of
that.
But
you
know
I
mean
you're
speaking.
P
P
So
to
and
it's
admirable
and
somebody's
gone
like
oh
he's
against
homeless
people,
I'm
not
against
homeless
people.
Okay,
I've
been
there.
I've
done
that,
okay,
but
I've
there's
help.
But
I
don't
think
this
at
this
time
is
the
right
help.
I
think
that
money
could
be
used
far
better
helping
other
people
better.
Then
again,
I
think
the
majority
of
the
homeless
isn't
homeless.
It's
a
drug
problem
or
an
alcohol
problem.
O
I
appreciate
your
comments
and-
and
I
can
see
your
passion
about
what
you're
saying,
but
I
think
that
what
we're
missing
is
is
that
this
is
not
just
going
to
be
a
place
for
homeless
people
to
come,
but
also
those
individuals
that
are
unemployed
those
individuals
that
need
mental
health
counseling.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
place
to
staff
the
individuals,
that's
able
to
provide
the
resources
that
these
people
need
in
order
to
get
them
to
the
next
level
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
save
everybody.
O
But
I
think
by
having
all
the
resources
in
one
place
and
having
people
that
are
qualified
to
do
the
work
in
this
one
place,
it's
going
to
be
a
big
asset
to
help
get
rid
of
help,
some
individuals
that
are
actually
looking
for
help,
because
even
at
our
church
we
give
out
food.
But
there
are
other
people
that
come
for
other
sort,
other
resources
that
we
cannot
provide
because
we
don't
have
mental
health
counseling.
O
Know
where
all
the
jobs
are
located,
so
in
this
one
place
it's
going
to
be
those
resources
to
help
these
individuals
to
move
to
the
next
level
and
like
the
message,
is
not
going
to
be
a
handout,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
hand
up
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
order
to
help
to
get
people
to
the
point
where
they
really
want
to
be.
And
someone
want
to
move
but
they'll
know
how
or
don't
know
where
to
go.
And
then
there
are
others
that
will
just
milk
the
system.
P
A
Q
P
20
may
be
homeless,
the
rest
of
them
don't
want
you
go
through
a
drive-through
and
they're.
Like
I'm
hungry.
I
handed
somebody
food.
He
goes
I'm
allergic
to
beef.
I'm
going
that's
no
problem.
I
got
chicken
nuggets
and
you're
like
well.
I
can't
have
the
breading,
it's
not.
They
don't
want
food,
they
want
money
and
they're
going
to
sell
whatever
you
give
them
to
get
that
I've
watched
it.
K
So,
and
really
I
mean
I
made
my
comments
clear
during
the
the
workshop
and
scott
thanks
for
coming
and
speaking
publicly
on
it
using
your
point
of
view,
but
really
I
mean
at
this
stage:
it's
not
formally
been
presented
to
us
yet
so
I'm
assuming
we'll
get
those
levels
of
detail
on
how
they'll
curb
some
of
that.
I
guess
I
don't
know
you
know
when
we're
presented
for
the
actual
funding
request.
At
this
point
we
haven't
gotten
anything
formal,
okay,
so.
C
A
R
R
R
The
developer
is
seeking
to
amend
the
amended
and
restated
agreement
to
remove
the
oak
point.
North
project
from
the
overall
oak
point
development
and
create
a
standalone
development
agreement
for
oak
point
north
and
then
a
standalone
agreement
for
o
point
south
which
will
regulate
the
two
developments
with
two
separate
development
agreements.
The
development
review
committee
recommends
approval
and
staff
recommends
approval
and
staff
in
the
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
Any
questions
for
bobby
anybody
from
a
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
If
not
we'll
close,
the
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
first
amendment
to
the
amended
and
restated
development
agreement
for
oak
point
north
and
the
creation
of
new
development
agreement,
so
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
smith.
A
Opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up.
Let's
see
amendment
number
two
to
the
agreement:
st
john's
water
management.
C
C
S
S
The
purpose
of
this
agreement
is
in
large
part
for
the
developer
who's,
making
a
large
investment
acquiring
an
easement
from
the
crosby
motor
inn,
so
there
can
be
cross
access
on
that
side
of
the
road.
Mr
crosby
is
generously
giving
us
for
free
and
easement
in
return,
he
doesn't
want
to
help
pay
for
the
intersection
improvement,
so
everybody's
paying
for
their
part,
our
part
is
to
design
and
realign
the
intersection,
install
mast,
arms
and
prov
and
install
a
protected
westbound
left
turn
lane.
S
So
the
request
is
to
ask
you
to
approve
this
agreement,
so
we
can
all
go
forward,
and
I
would
add
that
this
is
going
to
remove
that
lovely
billboard
that
sits
there
on
the
crosby
property
permanently.
C
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
pam
on
this
item.
Yeah
thanks
for
all
your
hard
work.
It's
been
it's
been
several
months
and
I
know
mr
rodriguez
and
pam
and
the
team
have
all
kind
of
worked
together.
It's
going
to
be
a
nice,
you
know
intersection
four-way
in
and
out,
so
I
think
it'll
help
that
whole
area
you
know
get
through
the
intersection.
S
D
S
Striped
appropriately,
so
you
have
a
turn
lane
and
then
you'll
have
a
a
through
right.
Add
that
you
know
if
you're
trying
to
turn
into
crosby,
if
you're
heading
west
or
to
the
the
mexican
restaurant,
you
can
sit
through
two
cycles
of
that
light.
L
You
kind
of
race
through
that
left
turn
because
I
don't
think
there's
a
left
turn
signal
there.
I
T
A
B
A
B
A
U
Good
afternoon
jeff
weatherford
public
services
director
today,
I'm
bringing
to
you
the
second
amendment
to
the
agreement
between
st
john's
water
management,
district
and
city
of
apopka
for
the
distributed
wastewater
treatment
system
project.
We
have
that
the
original
agreement
came
to
the
council
september
17th
in
2018
that
in
september
of
last
year
september
9th
we
came
back
with
the
first
amendment
and
that's
when
the
mayor
dragged
me
kicking
and
screaming
into
this
project.
Since
then,
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
project.
U
We've
had
public
meetings
with
with
the
community
in
wakaiwa
glenn
and
we've
actually
started
the
process,
and
hopefully
later
on
this
month,
we'll
be
installing
installing
the
first
units.
What
this
amendment
does
is
it
does
three
major
things.
First,
the
product's
been
called
the
the
camp
thunderbird
subject
to
distributed
sewer
retrofit
project,
we're
going
to
change
the
name
to
be
what
it
really
is,
since
camp
thunderbird
is
no
longer
involved.
It's
going
to
change
the
name
to
the
city
of
apopka
dwts
conversion.
Project.
U
Second
item
is
the
contract
we
have
with
st
john's
is
due
to
expire
march
31st.
This
will
extend
it
to
september
30th.
So
we've
got
time
to
finish
the
projects
we've
gotten.
We've
got
an
underway
and
the
final
issue
is
the
cost
share
that
when
we
originally
set
this
up,
we
set
it
up
based
on
a
ten
thousand
dollar
unit
cost
along
the
way.
I
said
so:
okay.
If
the
units
cost
ten
thousand
dollars,
what's
it
cost
to
actually
put
it
in
the
ground?
U
Well,
another
four
thousand,
two
hundred
ninety
five
dollars,
so
the
total
cost
of
the
units
is
fourteen
thousand
two
hundred
ninety
five
dollars
per
unit
installed.
The
original
agreement
with
st
john's
call
for
a
75-25
split
with
their
75
percent
not
to
exceed
7
500.
U
A
U
A
A
So
we'll
we'll
get
you
out
the
details,
we're
inviting
the
head
of
dep
ann
shortell
from
st
john's
water
management
and
some
other
dignitaries
that
I
think
this
is
pretty
exciting.
You
know
we're
cutting
edge
technology
that
we
want
to
be.
You
know
we
want
to
we're
proud
of
and
want
people
to
be.
You
know
available
when
we're
we're
putting
the
first
one
in
so
anyway.
Would.
A
Yes,
well,
I
I've
been
dealing
with
that
for
for
quite
a
few
years.
So
yes,
all
right!
Anybody
from
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
No,
we
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
amendment
number
two
to
the
agreement
with
the
st
john's
water
management
district
for
the
apopka
idwts
conversion
project.
D
Hitt
hi
jim
head
community
development
development
director.
This
item
is
something
that
we
had
seen
before
it
had
to
do
with
the
sale
bid
offer
for
the
north
park
avenue
sandpiper
street
parcel
that
was
previously
advertised
previously
turned
down
because
the
bids
came
in
too
low.
We
had
no
real
idea.
What
was
going
to
be
going
on
for
the
property
itself.
D
The
overall
acreage
is
acres,
but
we
needed
a
small
cut
of
road
right
away
in
order
to
realign
sandpiper
street
from
east
to
west
across
park
avenue.
D
So
the
total
acreage
ended
up
being
cut
down
to
just
a
hair
over
eight
acres,
but
it's
8.093
acres,
so
it
was
declared
surplus
back
in
february
2017
and,
like
I
mentioned,
had
gone
out
to
bid
twice
before
we
had
one
bid
that
the
person
backed
out
and
we
re-bid
it
and
bids
came
in
below
what
the
bid
recommendation
was
to
come
in,
at
least
at
the
appraised
value
and
the
appraised
value
was
1.2675
million.
So
it's
a
good
chunk
of
a
good
chunk
of
change,
but
it's
a
really
good
piece
of
property.
D
It's
already
got
commercial
land
use.
It's
got
commercial.
Zoning
also
and
water
and
sewers
accessible
and
we're
looking
to
put
a
light
in
at
sandpiper,
so
whoever
gets
that
would
end
up
having
a
share
cost.
You
know
regarding
the
traffic
light,
of
course,
too,
a
little
bit
further
down
in
the
future,
so
we
re-advertised
this
went
out
to
bid
on
the
city's
website
january
28th
of
this
year,
and
we
allowed
for
three
weeks
which
was
discussed
when
we
were
talking
about
going
out
to
bid.
D
We
ended
up
getting
two
bids
and
they're
actually
the
same
bidders
that
came
in
before,
however,
the
first
one
as
your
packet
mentions
is
basically
it
comes
in
as
let
me
go
to
that
pace,
terminus
realty
and
that
came
in
at
1.3
million.
The
next
one
was
dr
mrs
agrawal,
and
that
came
in
at
1
million.
D
We
did
get
some
extra
background
information
from
mr
ettinger
in
regards
to
what
he's
planning
to
do.
He
had
submitted
a
a
concept
plan
that
avid
engineering
had
done,
but
it
was
not
part
of
the
packet,
so
I
did
not
include
that.
He
didn't
want
that
to
include
because
they're
they're
still
playing
with
the
different
ideas
of
what
they'd
like
to
do,
but
I
did
put
a
a
leaflet
that
he
emailed
me
this
morning
on
your
on
your
desk
area
and
basically
he's
looking.
D
B
D
D
Dog,
but
one
of
those
one
of
the
emails
that
he
sent,
he
actually
said
what
he
was
looking
to
mirror
was
something
it
was
called
muttscantina.com.
C
D
It
looks
phenomenal,
but
he's
got
some
good
ideas
he's.
Definitely
obviously
he's
he's
done
this
type
of
project
before
as
a
real
estate,
agent
and
and
an
investor
and
he's
looking
to
improve.
He
already
knows
that
he
can't
do
residential.
He
knows
that
he
wants
to
be
able
to
get
some
commercial
of
some
sort
in
there.
D
I
did
send
each
of
them
each
of
the
bidders
their
the
others
contact
information
in
case
they
could
work
together
and
possibly
put
in
dr
argobol
had
talked
about
putting
in
a
medical
office
his
medical
office
there.
So
if
they
could
work
together
and
it
might
end
up
becoming
the
best
of
both
worlds,
I
think,
but
we
got
a
good
opportunity,
like
I
said
it's
1.3
million
dollars.
D
The
only
caveat
that
I
that
I
did
put
in
and
I
changed
this
a
little
bit
from
the
what
was
in
your
packet,
I
said,
should
the
first
offer
not
be
completed
in
accordance
with
the
sale
requirements,
and
he
already
mentioned
that
he
wanted
to
close
within
30
days.
So
I
think
he
wants
to
get
rolling
on
this
quick.
D
The
city
council
may
allow
staff
to
complete
the
sale
for
the
second
bidder
if
you
want
her
to
go
to
that
lower
amount
which
was
below
the
appraised
value,
even
in
as
part
of
the
packet.
One
of
the
things
that
if
you
took
out
that
small
portion
for
the
road
right
away,
the
appraised
value
would
still
end
up
being
a
little
over
1.2
million
and
that
that
second
bid
came
in
at
a
million.
So
it's
nothing
to
sneeze
at,
but
but
we've
got
a.
B
S
B
H
A
V
K
But
my
question
circulated
around
the
or
centered
around
the
purchase
agreement
and
what
limitations
we
as
the
council
have
the
ability
to
prevent
from
being
on
that
site
and
when
I
say
that
I
mean
the
unholy
trinity
that
people
in
apopka
have
come
to
know
right.
The
dollar
stores,
auto
parts
stores
and
fast
food
restaurants,
now
fast
food,
that's
a
different
beast,
because
there's
quick
service
restaurants
that
people
actually
do
enjoy.
K
That
would
like
to
see
come
to
apopka,
but
with
the
dollar
store
and
auto
parts
store,
there's
already
a
number
of
them
going
north
from
that
location,
and
I
saw
that
there
was
another
dollar
store
application
going
through
the
process
a
little
bit
north
of
there.
So
that
scares
me.
What
I
don't
want
to
have
happen.
Is
we
sell
the
city
of
apopka
one,
a
piece
of
property
that
immediately
comes
in
it's
one
of
those
two
uses?
That
would
be
a
deal
breaker
for
me.
So
is
there
some
way
that
we
can?
I.
D
D
A
D
C
D
Then
we've
got
riley
auto
parts
just
north
of
that,
but
but
I
can
talk
to
him
about
that
part.
A
That's
so
do
you
can
we
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
the
bid,
with
the
the
additional
caveat
that
we
don't
have,
that
there
will
not
be
an
auto
parts
and
or
the
dominant.
K
Auto
stores,
dollar
type
store
yeah
and
from
a
legal
interpretation
I
mean,
if
you've
got
to
put
a
parameter
around
what
an
auto
parts
door
is.
What
I'm
after
is
the
one
that's
solely
for
that
use.
Obviously,
there's
auto
parts
that
could
potentially
be
sold
in
like
a
convenience
store
or
a
gas
station
that
might
go
on
that
property.
Okay,
that's
the
spirit
of
what
I'm
members.
Q
Of
the
commission,
it's
michael
I'm!
Actually
here
you
can
put
a
restrictive
covenant
or
some
restrictions
on
the
deed
to
restrict
the
types
of
uses
on
the
property
and
that'll
run
with
the
land.
A
C
L
Yeah,
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
learned
that
at
p
and
z
you
can't
put
restrictions.
We.
A
C
Q
Cannot
you
can
have
restrictions
on
the
property
they
you,
you
can
sell
the
property
and
put
restrictions
on
the
deed
as
to
certain
uses
that
the
property
cannot
be
used
for,
and
it
can
even
be
such
that
if
they,
if
they
use
them,
I
mean
if
you
want
to
include
a
reverter
clause
that
if
they
use
them
or
if
they
anytime
in
the
future,
they
want
to
try
to
have
those
deleted.
Because
there's
certain
changes
it'll
have
to
come
back
to
the
commission
for
such
a
change.
B
Not
to
sound
like
a
broken
record,
but
again
across
the
street
from
there
that
the
dormant
circle
k
it
just
it's
an
eyesore
and
it
brings
the
value
of
you
know
our
park
avenue
look
down
so
anything
we
can
do
to
continue
to
move
that
forward.
That
I'm.
D
A
C
C
E
So
I
think
this
is
the
item
of
the
day.
This
one
has,
I
think,
is
the
the
big
item.
So
I
guess
let
me
first
kind
of
tell
you
how
how
we
want
to
present
this
item.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
the
this
business
item
today
was
there
was
a
lot
of
hard
work
put
into
this.
This
item.
There's
a
lot
of
staff
involved
in
this
item
and
today
you're
going
to
hear
from
some
of
them
with
all
the
information
that
we've
gathered
and
everything
that
we've
put
together.
E
E
So
in
your
packet
on
camp,
we
will,
as
you
know,
we've
applied
for
a
grant
the
grant
required
that
we
get
two
appraisals
you
have
both
of
those
appraisals
in
your
packet.
E
E
Some
of
the
information
that
that
I'm
going
to,
let
brian
give
you
some
information
from
an
operating
standpoint
on
the
camp
that
he
has
put
some
projections
together.
He
has
a
presentation
to
show
you
that
you
can
see
some
of
the
operating
how
the
operating
would
work
if
the
the
city
was
to
purchase
this
or
purchase
this
property
or
this
park
or
this
camp
so
he'll
give
you
some
operating.
E
We
have
nicole,
is
here
as
well
she's
the
one
that
has
worked
through
the
grant.
So
if
you
have
some
questions
with
the
grant,
she
can
give
you
some
information
on
that
she's
here,
to
give
some
information
on
that.
E
If
you
need
it
and
then
richard
our
city
engineer
has
done
an
analysis
that
that
you
have-
and
he
can
present
that
as
well
going
through
the
parcel
to
show
you
flood
some
of
the
flood
plains
some
of
the
issues
that
he
has
worked
through
as
a
city
engineer
when
it
comes
to
the
to
the
value
of
the
land.
E
There's
also
been,
though,
that
information
was
shared
with
the
appraisal
with
the
appraisers,
and
there
was
a
one
of
the
appraisals.
One
of
the
corrections
that
you
have
one
of
the
the
second
appraiser
made
an
adjustment
to
their
report
of
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
their
their
revised
appraisal
is
shown
at
about
4.2
million.
E
E
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
let
let
brian
do
his
portion
and
then
richard,
you
know,
give
you
that
information
and
then,
if
there's
any
other
questions,
nicole's
here
as
well,
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
on
the
grant
side
of
it,
and
then
I
can
come
back
and
finish
up
and
and
we
can
entertain
any
questions
that
you
have
comments,
concerns
and
direction.
E
E
N
All
right,
so
it's
going
to
show
up
darker
than
I
hoped,
but
obviously
I
gave
you
guys
detail
on
financial
projections
through
fiscal
year
2026..
So
this
is
this
just
summarizes
the
information
that
I
that
I
gave
you
guys.
So
this
is
2021
just
which
is
this
current
fiscal
year,
because
we
get
it,
we
gotta,
we
still
have.
We
still
have
money
to
spend
so
pool
contract.
N
The
apopka
high
school
has
been
using
utilizing
the
pool
in
the
fall
for
their
fall
season,
they've
been
giving
the
why
3
500
a
season
to
do
that.
So
that's
where
that
that
revenue
would
come
from
staff
and
contractors,
55
000,
general
maintenance,
75,
000
and
then
that's
a
net
of
minus
126,
500
and
then
capital
expenses.
We
need
ada
improvements,
we
need
immediate
basketball
court.
They
said
we
need
to
rebuild
it
because
it's
completely
unsafe,
so
that
would
have
to
be
done.
N
That's
this
year
next
year,
adding
camp
and
more
facility
use
to
the
to
the
space,
and
then
staff
and
maintenance
we're
looking
at
almost
300
000
loss
and
then
infrastructure
improvements,
and
then
the
pool-
and
I
wanted
to
mention.
I
know
I've
mentioned
to
you
to
most
of
you,
the
pool.
That's
there
is
usable,
but
it's
it's
five
feet
deep.
So
it's
usable
for
laps,
when
it's
usable
for
the
high
school
to
use
it's
usable
for
adults
to
come
and
lap
swim
as
as
a
pool
for
youth
and
and
seniors
to
use.
N
It's
not
it's
not
really
a
viable
option.
So
we
would
propose
that
we
add
a
pool
to
that
facility
that
youth
and
seniors
could
could
use.
And
then
there
is
no
playground
there,
and
so
that
would
be
a
great
picture
to
add
to
the
property
in
2023
in
camp
facility
use,
contract
revenue
and
then
the
operating
expenses
for
camp
staff,
cam
and
and
equipment
and
supplies
and
trips,
and
then
facility
staff
and
contractors,
and
then
maintenance
looking
at
250
000
loss
and
then
again,
infrastructure
pool
playground
and
infrastructure.
N
That's
sewer
and
water
is
a
lot
of
that
infrastructure
part
trying
to
get
on
city,
sewer
and
city
water
and
then
for
2024,
see
camp
facility
use.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
rentals
with
the
dining
hall
the
pavilion
and
then
as
we
increase,
then
you
know
increase
usage.
We
do
better
with
with
our
additions
to
the
to
the
property,
then
we
have
more
money
but
coming
in
and
more
expenses
going
out.
N
So
when
it
comes
to
a
net
of
minus
191,
000
and
then
capital
is
continuing,
but
the
capital
is
going
down
because
you've
already
done
a
lot
of
upgrades,
so
325
thousand
dollars
in
capital
finishing
off
the
pool,
adding
pavilions
and
other
upgrades
to
cabins
and
dining
hall,
and
things
like
that
and
then
2025
we're
coming
down
to
a
net
operating
deficit
of
88
000
and
then
upgrades
to
general
facilities
and
and
finishing
up
on
the
pavilions
and
then
as
we
get
to
2026.
N
We're
we're
looking
at
we're,
looking
at
basically
breaking
even
million
dollars
each
about
a
million
dollars
each
way
and
over
the
course
of
the
five
years,
two
million
dollars
in
capital
spent
on
the
property
and
that
two
million
dollars
is
currently
designated
in
a
five-year
plan
for
the
park
on
harmon
road.
That
we
would
be
that's
we'll
try
to
sell
that
property
anyway.
So
that's
in
that
area.
So
that's
where
that
two
million
dollars
would
be
coming
from
be
shifted
over
to
the
camp.
We
well
property
and
long
term.
N
I
if
you
know
within
10,
15
20
years.
This
is
how
I
look
at
this
property.
Is
you
know
we
want
to
be
an
active
place
and
a
popular
place
and
something
that
adds
value
to
the
community,
I'm
looking
at
honestly
realistically,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
either
way
like
if
you're
looking,
I
like
to
think
along
those
lines
like
as
far
as
net
operating
revenue
versus
expense.
N
Some
years
might
be
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
the
goods.
Some
years
might
be
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
the
bad,
but
that's
kind
of
the
range
we're
thinking
we're
not
gonna.
I
don't
think
we're
losing
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
on
this
property.
We're
not
gonna,
be
making
500
a
million
either.
So
I
mean
I
just
just
so
we're
in
that
mind
frame
of
where
this
is
once
we
get
through
the
first
part
getting
into
the
facilities.
We
know
there's
going
to
be.
N
There's
unknown
opportunities
out
there
for
us
to
do
better
than
this
and
there's
also
unforeseen
circumstances
that
could
have
us
do
worse.
I
mean
that's.
You
know
like
when
you
buy
a
house
and
six
months
down
the
road
the
air
conditioner
breaks
on
you,
you
don't
that
stuff
can
happen,
but
there's
going
to
be
other
opportunities.
Partnerships
sponsors
that
are
going
to
come
up
that
we
don't.
We
don't
have
that
accounted
for
yet
or
know
that
yet
so
that's
as
far
as
as
far
as
financial
picture
going
forward.
That's
that's
where
I
see
this
property.
L
I'm
gonna
kind
of
yield
to
kind
of
listen
to
the
discussion,
because
I
I
do
have
a
few
questions,
but
I
will
do
that
if
you
could
start
at
the
other
end.
Well,.
B
All
right,
yeah
I've
got
several
questions
one.
What
are
we
looking
at
as
the
asking
price
I
mean?
Is
this
based
upon
what
the
appraisals
are?
What
what
is
well.
N
B
C
B
So
we'll
keep
the
cards
close
to
the
vest.
Are
these
conservative
estimates
when
you're
looking
at
the
the
potential
revenues,
are
these
based
upon
conservative
numbers?
How
did
you
come
up
with.
N
I
think
they're,
I
think,
they're
fair
conservative
numbers
on
on
revenue.
I
mean
there's
information
from
the
y
information
from
other
municipalities,
information
from
my
25
years
experience
in
the
field,
but
it's
conservative
can
we
do
better
on
some
of
these
rentals
and
retreats
absolutely,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to.
I
wouldn't
want
to
sit
here
and
promise
that
right
now.
N
B
Okay,
what
kind
of
marketing
plan
or
strategy
will
we
use
to
reach
these
numbers?
Is
this
something
where
we'll
now
look
to
go
to
partnerships?
I
think.
B
N
Is
a
great
one
yeah
and
it's
you
know,
and
it's
another,
it's
an
additional
to
the
parks
where
we
do
it.
You
know
at
northwest
it's
about
a
quarter
of
the
size
of
northwest.
It
has
different.
It
has
different
amenities
in
northwest
highs,
obviously
with
with
the
lakes
and
pool
and
the
ability
for
the
dining
hall
which
kind
of
goes
in
la
in
line
with
you
know,
vfw
and
frank
carlton
center
and
in
that
range.
When
you
talk
about
the
dining
hall,
the
pavilions
we
already
rent,
but
we
have
the
chapel
there.
N
You
know
so
there's
opportunities
for
weddings
and
and
other
services
to
go
on
there
and
to
use
the
pavilion
as
and
the
dining
hall
to
go
along
with
those
things.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
opportunities,
but
as
far
as
you
know-
and
I
know,
kelly
left
kelly's
done
a
great
job
with
cindy
and
carolyn
in
doing
the
marketing
for
what
we
do
now,
but
certainly
everything's
on
the
table
as
far
as
branding
and
marketing
opportunities
and
yeah
you're
right.
We
have
to.
We
have
to
hit
this
and
we
need.
N
We
need
good
branding
and
when
we
get
forward
when
we
have
this
built
to
the
way
we
want
it,
we
want
to
get
retreats
in
there
all
the
time
you
know
corporate
retreats
to
come
in
and
rent
it
on
the
weekends
and
use
the
cabins
and
use
the
dining
hall
in
the
facilities
and
all
that
and
it's
the
revenue's
there.
We
need
a
good
marketing
plan
to
get
to
get
that
word
out
and
have
the
people
come
from.
Other
people
come
from
new
york
and
come
down
and
do
their
retreat
down.
Here.
B
Okay,
the
pool
that's
you
know
I
went
again
last
night
and
just
went
out
there
by
myself
and
walked
around
and
looked
at
it,
and
you
know
that
can
be
a
big
expense,
and
I
appreciate
your
email
to
all
of
us
kind
of
more
delineating.
It
answered
a
lot
of
this
question
to
me:
what
are
the
expenses
to
make
sure
it's
up
to
speed
and
able
to
be
used?
So
then
the
other
side
of
that
would
be
the
school
contract
that
we
have
presently.
B
Is
that
competitive
or
is
that
an
older
price
does
that
need
to.
N
B
I
know
that
I
had
someone
reach
out
to
me
about
that
that
they
like
that
idea
for
that
possibility.
There
were
funds
that
were
collected
here
in
the
community
several
years
ago,
when
the
original
ymca
project
was
there,
and
I
believe
they
were
being
held
with
the
chamber
are,
do
we
know,
are
any
of
those
funds
available
were
those
distributed
already.
B
A
There
were
promises,
but
not
actual
dollars
that
were.
T
B
I'm
trying
to
move
along
here
for
everybody,
but
how
many
acres
are
usable,
buildable.
A
B
And
then
so,
maybe
you're
not
the
one
to
ask
this
last
question.
The
possible
future
plans
there's
a
lot
of
that
land
that
is
unutilized.
Is
there
any,
and
maybe
you've
thought
this
through?
As
far
as
expanding
the
camp
abilities,
I
mean
right
now:
it's
it's
pretty
good
at
what
it
has,
but
there
just
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
room
down
in
the
south.
That's
really
unused
and
I
don't.
N
Know
I
mean
where
the
high
ropes
course
is:
that's
that's
underwater
right
now
and
then
they
have
low
ropes
course.
There
there's
the
the
climbing
wall
there.
So
some
of
those
things
could
be
enhanced.
I
mean
it's,
it's
mostly
wooded
space.
I
think
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
find
if
we
could
designate
an
area.
In
my
opinion,
we
haven't
really
had
big
conversations
about
this,
but
if
we
could
find
an
area
where
we
could
put
a
feel
even
just
an
open
flat
field,
not
something
that
we
would
rent
out.
N
A
I
think
we
were
talking
about
that
would
probably
go
up
on
the
front
where
the
the
check-in
building
is
would
be
north
of
that
there's
there's
one
area
that
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
trees
that
we
could
put
in
a
multi-purpose
field
for
soccer.
You
know
baseball
or
something
but
yeah
well,.
N
Think
I
mean
I've
been
to
the
property
a
few
times
I
mean
that's
some.
Some
of
those
things
are
going
to
come
as
as
we
get
more
familiar
with
the
with
the
property,
but
you
know
we
also
want
to
be
able
to
have
people
come
and
have
be
able
to
use
the
cabins
for
overnight
for
camping
and
and
be
able
to
have
a
space
for
trails,
and
things
like
that
too.
So
I.
O
Well,
I
I've
looked
at
the
property
and
I
think
it's
a
great
asset
to
the
city
and
we'll
give
us
another
drawing
card,
especially
if
we
look
at
ecotourism
being
that
it's
close
to
the
wildlife
trail
and
the
birding
park,
something
that
we
could
tie
into.
So
I
think
it'd
be
an
outstanding
drawing
card,
and
these
numbers
that
you
gave
us
you
said
it
doesn't
even
include
the
possibility
of
in-kind
donations
and
cooperation
sponsorships.
That
will
be
willing
to
come
in
and
do
some
of
this
work
and
volunteerism
as
well.
O
In
addition
to
the
school
apopka
using
the
pool
is
there's
a
possibility
that
maybe
calvary
and
oak
court
may
be
interested
also
in
coming
and
using
the
pool.
I.
O
Okay,
all
right
so
so
there's
some
things
that
we
can
look
at
to
also
make
it
more
attractive
and
also
help
to
reduce
the
cost.
O
No,
that
we're
not
looking
to
to
make
money,
but
we
can
break
even
in
this
kind
of
endeavor,
would
be
great
and,
as
I
looked
at
the
layout
of
the
camp,
there's
a
possibility
that
we
could
be
renting
a
section
of
camp
is
easily
to
be
able
to
mark
marked
off
and
also
allowing
public
asset
access
at
the
same
time.
So
I
think
that's
great
and
maybe
making
some
other
miniatures
such
as
paintball
would
be
another
drawing
card
for
the
property
as
well
as
as
a
field.
O
So
a
lot
of
potentials
there
and
I
think,
could
be
a
great
investment
for
ourselves
and.
N
I
think
the
you
know
in
the
one
thing-
and
you
know,
and
all
options
are
on
the
table
and
things
will
come,
you
know
and
again
as
we're
part
of
the
facility
more
and
we
see
the
use
and
we
see
how
the
community
uses
it
and
we're
more
familiar
with
it.
There'll
be
more
ideas
of
paintball
is
a
great
idea.
The
the
one
thing
that
I've
been
consistent
about-
and
I
mentioned
to
some
of
you-
is-
and
I
know,
there's
camp
we
want
people
here
is
as
a
taxpayer.
N
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
opportunities
to
use
the
cabins,
there's
opportunities
to
have
camp,
we
walk
weeks
or
camp,
we
walk
weekends
or
something,
but
as
a
eight
or
nine
week
overnight
camp,
then
that's
taking
away
from
the
taxpayers
ability
to
use
the
to
use
the
facility,
so
that
is
but
other
than
that.
Other
than
that
that
I
would
personally
take
off
the
table.
A
You
know
what
the
number
the
number
one
thing
that
was:
not
that's
not
a
camp
we
were
was
was
dis,
disc
frisbee.
That
was
that
was
the
number
one
ask
for
the
cam
we
had
like
70.
I
thought
it
was.
The
same
person
keep
clicking.
You
know
I
want
you
know
just
frisbee
and
and
so
I
had,
I
had
rob,
go
back,
rob
hiffler,
looked
at
it
and
said
he
said:
rob.
Can
you
check
all
these
emails
make
sure
they're
different
emails?
He's
oh
yeah
they're
all
they're
all
different
emails.
O
K
K
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
support
in
the
community
for
this
purchase,
but
I've
also
received
emails
and
texts
and
so
forth
that
people
that
are
highly
skeptical
of
it
as
well.
So
I'm
doing
my
part
to
do
my
due
diligence
to
make
sure
that
this
is
well
thought
out
and
the
investment's
going
to
pay
for
what
you
intended
to
do
so,
but
to
open
me
personally,
I
love
the
idea.
K
I
mean
me
personally,
if
I
didn't
have
anything
else
on
the
peripheral
that
I
had
to
consider
it's
a
great
idea,
especially
considering
the
alternative
right,
the
alternative
being
you
clear-cut
that
property
you
put
development
on
it
homes
and
it
just
perpetuates
growth
issues
that
were
already
experienced
in
the
city
of
apopka.
K
But
you
know
in
my
role
here:
I've
got
to
be
very
objective
in
my
line
of
questioning
right.
We
talked
about
this
on
monday
and
I
would
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
staff
to.
K
You
know
totally
transparent
so
before
I
even
get
there,
you
know
into
the
financial
aspect
of
it.
I
mean
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
a
few
things
right.
Is
it
a
cultural
fit
for
our
community?
Does
it
kind
of
meet
the
brand
that
apopka
is
and
is
there
a
need
and
a
need
can
be
kind
of
separated
into
two?
Is
it
critical
need,
or
is
it
kind
of
a
nice
to
have
a
luxury
quality
of
life,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
and
I
think
this
concept
of
this
idea
meets
all
three
of
those.
K
K
K
But
if
you,
you
know
in
all
honesty
and
not
to
place,
blame
on
ymca
or
anything
like
that.
I
just
want
to
be
quite
frank
about
how
this
is
all
transpired
right.
If
you
go
to
their
website
for
a
camp
wewa,
it's
basically
saying:
we've
stopped
operations
due
to
financial
feasibility
and
the
unknowns
as
a
result
of
covid.
So
right
off
the
top
we've
said
we
better
as
the
city
of
apopka.
K
If
we're
going
to
do
things
differently
than
the
ymca
we've
got
to
do
it
better
in
order
for
us
to
be
and
remain
financially
viable
with
this
particular
piece
of
property,
and
so
that's
where
you
come
in
your
vision,
for
this
is
you're
the
mouthpiece
of
the
parks
and
rex
you
own
this
division,
you
own
the
success
of
camp.
We
want,
if
it's,
if
it's
acquired
and
so
when,
when
we
have
something
before
us,
that's
considered
more
of
a
non-essential
purchase
which
this
is
it's
not
a
critical
need
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
K
I
would
think
that
the
litmus
test
for
us
to
spend
money
on
it
is
a
little
bit
higher.
So
I
just
want
to
go
through
what
you'd
and
I'll
try
and
hop
onto
questions
that
are
applicable
to
you
and
I'll
hold
the
other
ones
for
edward.
But
if
I
read
it
right
and
if,
if
we
stay
on
the
same
talk
track
that
we
have
for
the
two
months
that
we've
known
about
this,
it's
around
five
million
dollars
give
or
take
based
off
of
the
appraisals
that
we've
seen.
K
Let's
just
say,
for
the
sake
of
arguments,
five
million
dollars
acquisition
acquisition
fee.
We
pay
five
million
dollars
for
the
park
based
off
of
what
you've.
Given
us
on
the
pro
forma,
the
total
cash
flow.
You
had
cited
the
two
million
dollars
on
the
capital
side,
but
really
the
total
negative
cash
flow
over
that
five
year
horizon
is
three
million
bucks
right,
so
total
cost
of
ownership.
K
For
the
five
year
period
would
be
really
negative:
eight
million-
let's
just
assume-
that
we
get
the
million
bucks
for
the
grant-
that's
basically
seven
million
dollars
out
of
our
coffers.
However,
you
want
to
slice
and
dice
how
we
pay
for
it,
but
really
seven
million
dollars
that
the
city
puts
forward
to
pay
for
camp
we
all
and
for
its
operation
over
a
five-year
period.
K
So
that's
at
the
crux
of
the
matter
is,
and
I'm
gonna
press
edward
a
little
bit
when
we
when
we
talk
later,
is
you
know?
How
are
we
paying
for
that?
How
are
we
paying
for
that
three
million?
I
get
how
we're
kind
of
cobbling
things
together
for
the
purchase,
but
how
are
we
paying
for
that?
Three
million
dollars?
K
You
know
the
operational
loss
that
we'll
we'll
stand
to
have
over
the
next
five
year
period,
commissioner
banks
and
touched
on
a
little
bit
in
marketing
and
advertising.
K
I
find
that
very
interesting
and
again
I
think
when
you
have
an
asset
like
camp,
we
want,
it's
got
to
be
very
focused
marketing
and
advertising
bit,
especially
with
the
diversity
of
programming
that
we
have
on
this
paper,
because
if
we
have
day
camps,
if
we
have
ropes
courses,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
to
it
that
I
think
is
worthy
of
its
own
allocation
in
terms
of
expense.
I.
N
K
Yeah
and
and
to
me
this
is
a
very
reasonable
regional
conversation.
If
you
go
and
google
you
know,
municipalities
with
their
own
camps,
I
mean
you'd,
be
hard-pressed
to
find
municipalities
that
have
their
own
camps
anywhere
in
this
particular
region.
So
it
immediately
becomes
a
regional
draw
and
how
you
market
advertise
that
I
think
it's
worthy
of
investment
to
advertise
an
asset.
It's
similar
kind
of
what
the
mayor's
doing
with
this
saturday
sound
thing
with
the
amphitheater
it's
to
build
muscle
memory
so
that
people
do
association
with
assets
that
we
have
in
the
city.
N
Well
and-
and
I
will
say
speak
to
this-
is
I
know
that
a
lot
of
orange
county
schools
there
have
sent
their
fifth
graders
to
camp
wewa.
So
there's
a
natural
feeder-
that's
gone
on
for
years.
So
that's
something
that
we
can
recreate
with
orange
county
and
that
is
is
to
bring
those
schools
back
in
there
and
then
it's
it's.
Bringing
more
awareness
to
the
facility.
K
And
then
on
the
p
l,
you
know
again
to
touch
on
what
commissioner
banks
was
saying.
Why
would
we
not
have
a
fundraising,
slash
capital
campaign,
slash
benefit
something
you
know,
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
couple
for
a
month
and
a
half
or
whatever
the
case
might
be.
You
know
what
what
have
you
asked
our
large
benefactors
in
our
community,
our
large
corporate.
You
know
companies
that
are
in
the
apopka
area.
What
is
that
conversation
been
like,
and
what
has
the
response
been
thus
far.
A
Well,
I'm
I'm
taking
charge
of
that
one.
So
I
I
I
want
to
get
at
some
point.
Rich
is
going
to
come
up
with
a
former
counselor
and
kind
of
been
spearheading
the
the
the
friends
of
of
camp
weewa.
So
at
some
point
we
can
bring
him
up.
We
talk
about
those
and
he's
got
some
ideas
and
we've
been
talking
about
it.
A
When
do
we
start
that,
and
I
mean
I
think,
we've
got
at
least
have
more
than
just
a
discussion
in
front
of
city
council.
I
mean
as
soon
as
if,
if
we
as
a
city
council
agree
to
purchase
it,
then
I
think
that's
when
I
get
into
high
gear.
I
I'll
tell
you
this.
It
was
interesting
talking
to
greg
fox's
reporter
talking
about
insurance,
and
he
said
oh,
what
what's
going
on
with
camp
we
wanted.
So
I
told
him
he
was
oh
man.
A
You
got
to
talk
out,
got
to
reach
out
to
my
my
my
friend
at
lowe's.
He
says
so.
I
call
the
he's
a
district
manager
over,
I
want
to
say
20
stores
and
it's
kind
of
he's,
so
I
call
him
and
he
lay
it
out,
and
he
goes
oh,
my
gosh,
so
we
would
love
to
help.
He
says
I've
got.
I
can
get
you
a
couple
hundred
employees
there
I
can.
I
can
give
you
a
lot
of
supplies.
A
You'll
need
to
to
do
the
the
renovations
you
need
to
get
it
up
up
and
up
in
a
hurry,
so
he
said
so
just
let
me
know
when
when
we
when
we
can
talk,
so
I
I
I
mean
it
wasn't.
I
wasn't
even
pressuring
him
it
was
just
like
yeah
get.
You
know.
Lowe's
wants
to
be
involved,
so
I
you
know,
and
then
I
talked
to
martin
piccini,
you
know
who's,
you
know,
listen,
harold
is
a
big
does
commercials
and
he
goes
oh,
my
gosh.
A
A
A
We
can.
I
think
we
can
do
all
that.
I
just
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
that
effort
until
we've
got
to
the
point
where
we're
making
you
know
we're
making
we
at
least
make
the
commitment.
Then
then
it
obviously
it's
the
wise.
You
know
to
accept
our
offer
whatever
that
might
be,
but
so
you
know
I'm
more
than
willing
to
take.
You
know
take
lead
on
on
those
corporate
sponsors
and
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
you
know
to
me.
A
You
reach
out
to
rei
you'd
reach
out
to
you,
know
to
home
depot
lowe's
you'd
reach
out
to
like
bass,
pro
outlet
and
say:
hey.
Do
you
want
to
be
a
50
000
a
year
sponsor
I
mean.
N
K
N
Need
to
have
in
order
for
this
to
be
successful.
I
can't
I
understand
that,
but
I
can't
say
wood.
I
can't
even
take
a
guess
as
to
what
that
would
be.
Is
that
going
to
be
rei,
we'll
use
rei
as
an
example?
Is
that
going
to
be
they're
going
to
give
us
250
000
to
rebuild
our
ropes
course,
or
is
it
going
to
be
we'll
give
you
five
thousand
dollars
a
year?
I
mean
right.
K
And
again
I
won't
belabor.
The
point
I
mean
these
are
the
types
of
things
where,
if
we're
thinking
about
buying
this
and
we're
thinking
about
seeking
corporate
partnerships,
have
a
corporate
breakdown,
250
000
get
you
a
building,
a
hundred
thousand
gets
you
a
parking
lot
named.
I
don't
know,
but
for
not
to
have
anything
from
fundraising
and
corporate
sponsorships
on
here
I
mean
it
says
something
from
an
expense
standpoint.
Does
the
general
maintenance
contemplate
that
volunteer
or
do
you
do
you
just?
K
K
Okay
in
terms
of-
and
this
may
be
an
edward
conversation,
but
the
liability
and
coverage.
Obviously
the
city
doesn't
have
a
city
pool
now
ropes
course:
climbing
wall,
a
lakefront
for
boats
and
stuff,
like
that,
how
would
that
impact
our
liability,
insurance.
E
So,
commissioner,
what
we
would
do
is,
of
course
we
would
have
to
add
just
like
anything
else
when
we
bring
on
any
new
equipment
or
whatever
we
would
add
that
to
our
insurance
policy,
so
we
would
work
with.
Currently
we
have
the
florida
league
of
cities,
as
you
know
that
works
with
us,
and
so
we
would
be
getting
quotes
from
them
to
add
these
things
to
our
policy.
I
do
not.
We
do
not
know
what
that
number
is.
E
I
do
feel
because
we
already
have
a
general
policy
that
it
will
be
that
we
can
actually
be
more
efficient,
probably
a
little
bit,
maybe
than
the
y
has
been
with
those
costs,
but
you're
correct.
Those
costs
would
be
part
of
this.
The
maintenance
costs
that
are
in
this
number
would
include
the
increase
that
we
would
have
to
have
for
that
insurance.
E
K
Okay
and
then
just
a
point
of
fact,
you
know
based
off
of
the
pro
forma
that
we
have
here
and
what
what
it's
going
to
cost
us
and
basically
your
commentary
around
you
know
from
a
steady
run
state
after
2026
you,
you
are
forecasting
a
340
favorability,
but
beyond
that
it's
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
give
or
take.
K
N
K
So
the
total
investment
of
some
seven
million
dollars,
if
you
just
take
this
by
itself
in
a
vacuum
based
off
of
what
we're
going
to
get
profitability
wise
on
this
camp
in
terms
of
normal
course
of
operation
post
2026
we're
never
going
to
get
profitable
enough.
For
this
to
ever
be
paid
back.
Just
based
off
of
the
offering
that
we're
offering
in
camp.
N
E
H
E
Tell
you
from
my
experience
and
if
you
look
around-
and
I
did
some
some
research
on
leisure
services
in
other
cities
and
county,
and
if
you,
if
you
go
through
those
numbers,
you
will
find
out
that
recreation
is
never
a
break,
even
a
complete
break.
Even
there
are
certain
sections
within
the
recreation
department
that
will
the
revenues
will
cover
the
portion
of
the
services
that
are
related
to
that
particular
project
item
or
sport
whatever.
E
But
currently
today,
if
you
take
our
budget
and
look
at
it,
our
budget,
our
recreation
program,
doesn't
come
anywhere
near
break
even
for
the
facilities
that
we
provide.
Have
we
recovered
the
dollars,
and
I
look
at
this
like
I
did
this
kind
of
in
my
my
head.
A
little
bit
northwest
recreation
complex
with
several
million
dollars.
Have
we
recovered
that
investment
over
the
years?
Probably
not,
but
it
is
one
of
those
items
that
we
have
to
prove
to
provide
leisure.
E
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
to
provide
leisure
services,
recreation,
legal
leisure
services,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
staff
and
we
do
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
cover
as
many
costs.
So
that
we
don't
have
as
much
of
a
tax
burden
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
a
portion
of
your
tax
dollar
everybody's
tax
dollar
that
goes
to
recreation
and
I've.
Yet
to
see
it
one
where
it's
completely
break.
Even
it's.
It's
very
tough.
E
Think
I
you
know
so,
could
you
say
that
we
would
recover
that
seven
million
dollars?
I
don't
think
anybody
here
today
could
say
yeah.
We
could
cover
that
seven
million
dollars,
but
I
think
what
it
is
it's
one
of
those
things
where
we're
adding
an
asset
that
is
making
our
leisure
services
a
better
place,
giving
more
opportunity
also
kind
of
it
kind
of
this
is
kind
of
a
you
know,
kind
of
sets
apopka
apart
in
that
you
know,
hey
it's
kind
of
it's
a
nature
park
and
it
has
a
camp
and
things
like
that.
E
We
have
more
to
offer.
So
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
you're,
providing
that
some
more
leisure
facilities,
activities
or
whatever
that
in
the
at
the
end
of
the
day,
helps
our
whole
community.
K
K
I
mean
it's
a
huge
loss
for
the
city,
but
adding
more
to
it
just
makes
us
even
more
out
of
balance,
knowing
that
we
have
other
areas
of
span
that
are
critical
for
our
city,
but
the
and
again
I'm
just
I'm
playing
here,
just
need
for
the
public
to
realize
the
financial
decision
making
that
has
to
go
into
this
thing.
N
K
Advocate
before
how
do
you
balance
the
resident
open
needs,
because
I
know
people
have
have
struggled
to
conceptualize
that
so
you
know
it
gets
us
a
lot
right.
I'm
a
taxpayer,
I'm
spending
money
to
create
to
buy
this,
this
parks
and
rec
space,
and
yet
I
might
be
limited
in
my
view.
So
what's
your
kind
of
answer
to
that.
N
N
At
the
same
time,
we
can
keep
that
as
confined
space
but
eight
to
five
or
so
monday
to
friday,
when
camp
is
in
session,
parents
feel
good
about
sending
their
kids
to
camp
knowing
the
public's
not
coming
in,
but
you
know
sunset's
late
in
the
summer
after
five
o'clock.
If
somebody
wants
to
come
and
go
on
the
lake
or
somebody
wants
to
come
and
use
the
property
play,
basketball,
whatever
great
fine,
on
weekends,
obviously
open
to
the
public
opportunities
during
the
year.
N
For
people
to
stay
in
the
cabins,
then
not
neces,
but
they
wouldn't
have
necessarily
exclusive
use
of
the
entire
facility
where
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
as
much
taxpayer
access
to
the
facility
as
possible.
While
I'm
saying
this
now,
I'm
not
saying
this
as
a
declarative
policy
policy
statement
today
that
these
are
things
that
are
in
my
head
that
I've
thought
about.
N
I
want
to
have
acts
I
personally
want
to
have
access
for
the
taxpayers
to
be
able
to
use
the
facility
as
much
as
possible
understanding
that
there's
going
to
be,
there
will
be
times
where
we
want
to
close
it
off,
so
that
only
children
and
the
staff
are
there
for
the
safe
for
the
safety
of
the
children
and
for
the
comfort
of
the
parents.
So,
with
that
in
mind
and
not
making
a
policy
statement,
that's
that's
kind
of
the
vision,
yeah.
M
K
N
Great,
so
it's
a
you
know,
first
of
all,
we're
going
to
provide
another
park
that
has
that
has
unique
opportunities
when
you're
looking
at
the
lake
of
boating
opportunities,
fishing
opportunities
on
there,
a
passive
park
with
trails,
ropes
course,
climbing
wall,
the
dining
hall
that's
used
for
rent,
you
know
we,
we
have
the
pool
that
exists
plus
we
want
to
add
another
pool
opportunity
to
provide
a
camp
where
we
can
double
or
more
our
capacity,
because
we
are
capacity
limited
with
the
camps
that
we
provide
between
frank
carlton,
center
and
billy
dean
and
that
that's
going
to
expand
tremendously
so
opportunity
to
bring
in
you
know
more
economic
impact
from
people
from
outside
apopka
and
put
apopka
more
on
a
map
for
corporate
retreats.
N
L
All
right,
so
I
kind
of
heard
all
the
discussion,
and
so
the
one
thing
that
is
a
big
concern
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
echo.
What
commissioner
becca
was
saying
is
is
not
so
much
it's
a
big
investment
for
the
city
of
apopka,
but
a
lot
of
our
residents,
the
taxpayers.
Not
you
know
I
understand
it's.
You
know
we
have
a
big
support
from
alumni
from
the
camp
we
want,
but
our
taxpayers,
they
don't
have
the
information
that
we're
all
discussing
up
here,
the
possibilities
of
fundraisers.
L
We
don't
have
a
number
for
how
much
more
the
city
is
going
to
be
paying
insurance.
We
they
don't
have
a
definitive
of
what
our
plan
is
and
if
you
go
on
the
website,
the
only
thing
they
have
is
you
know,
what's
in
the
front
of
the
agenda
that
we're
looking
to
spend
camp
weewa.
What's
on
social
media
camp
save
while
camp,
we
well
that
all
of
that
is
just
kind
of
you
know
what
we
may
be
doing.
L
What
we
are
doing,
we
are
raising
some
money
so
kind
of
we
need
to
put
it
all
together
and
present
it
to
our
taxpayers.
So
that
they
have
some
level
of
comfort
that
we
are
making
this
big
purchase
and
they
are
going
to
benefit
from
it.
What
we're
selling
is
everything
that
we
can
do
to
get
revenue
and
we
and
granted
no
recreation
park
breaks.
Even
it's
always
going
to
be
kind
of
what
I
had
said
to
you.
It's
a
little
money
pit.
L
It
we're
always
just
trying
to
maintain
it,
but
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
present
to
our
taxpayers
something
that's
definitive.
This
is
what
it's
costing
us.
This
is
what
it's
going,
how
we're
going
to
operate
it,
and
this
is
what
our
expectations
are
right
now,
it's
just
us
that
are
getting
all
these
numbers.
I
I
don't
know
where
it's
at
in
our
website
for
them
to
just
see
it
for
themselves
and
be
able
to
have
more
access
to
what
we
have
up
here.
L
We
seem
to
be
kind
of
saying:
yes,
yes,
yes
and
I
am
for
camp
riwa.
I
think
it's
a
great
asset.
You
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
sure
all
the
commissioners
feel
the
same
way.
I
don't
want
to
give
it
to
a
developer.
I
don't
want
more
homes,
I
I
definitely
want
the
park,
but
I
want
the
taxpayers
to
kind
of
be
on
board
with
us,
and
so
the
elevator
speech
for
you
is:
how
do
we
sell
it
to
our
taxpayers
not
to
the
alumni,
because
the
alumni
want
it
and
we
want
it.
L
But
what's
really
important
is
how
we're
going
to
spend
this
money,
because
for
the
last
since
the
last
budget
we've
been
telling
them
we're
trimming
down,
we
can't
deal
with
the
infrastructure,
no
lights,
we've
kind
of
said,
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can't
do
for
our
own
community
and
yet
we're
now
presenting
them
with.
Let's
buy
this
park.
N
N
N
And
I
kind
of
I
can't
really
expand
on
what
I
just
said
to
commissioner
becker
about
you
know
the
vision
of
the
future,
the
long-term
future
and
what
I've
said
to
each
of
you
that
the
long-term
future
of
of
this
facility
and
and
the
benefits
that
it
prevent
presents
to
to
the
council,
I
mean
we
can,
I
suggest
us,
you
could
we've
it's
been
on
facebook,
and
I
know
the.
N
L
Everything
that's
been
on
social
media.
Has
you
know,
I
would
say,
nine
out
of
ten
has
been
very
positive,
but
it's
been
on
social
media,
there's
nothing
coming
from
us
officially.
This
is
our
plan.
This
is
our
mission.
This
is
how
we're
going
to
operate,
and
this
is
how
we're
moving
forward,
and
so
I
just.
How
can
we
get
that
message
so
that
the
city
website
has
it
so
that
the
taxpayers
have
access
to.
A
N
Projects
right
and
as
a
that's,
a
two
million
dollar
project.
That's
where
the
capitals
come
from,
that
we've
put
in
the
five-year
plan
that
we
went
to
planning
in
october
to
move
that
over
and
that
was
for
pavilions
and
tennis
courts
and
and
fields
and
playground,
and
that
was
basically
around
the
corner
on
harmon
road
that
we
went
through
with
public
services
and
we
went
through
with
shikenya
and
we
went
through
with
community
development.
N
A
On
top
of
the
1.5
million
right
value
of
the
property,
so
we're
now
at
three
and
a
half
million
versus
whatever
we
want
to
you
know,
look
at
for
camp.
We
wish
so
we're
from
just
a
capital
point
of
view.
I
mean
this
is
pretty
simple:
do
we
want
another?
You
know
you
know
smaller
northwest
complex,
which
is
great.
I
mean
we
could.
We
could
use
more
fields,
you
know
for
baseball
and
soccer
and
football
or
do
we.
We
want
something
unique
and
that's
kind
of
the.
N
You
know
and
and
I'll
add
and
I'll
say
this
much
is-
is
for
the
seven
million
dollars
like
if
we
we
can't,
you
can't
create
the
seven
million
dollars
that
yeah
we
I'm
not,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we're
ever
going
to
make
the
seven
million
dollars
back.
I'm
like
I
said
we
could,
but
we
might
not
for
the
seven
million
dollars
and
we
wouldn't
make
it
on
harmon
road
like
if
we
for
what
we
would
put
at
harman
road.
I
mean
it's
a
we'd
build
a
park,
but
it
would
be
a
park.
N
I
mean
we
might
get
a
field
rental
here,
pavilion
rental
there,
but
we
wouldn't
make
the
money
back
on
harman
road
either.
We
cannot-
and
I
mentioned
this
when
we
had
the
workshop-
you
can't
build
this
park
for
seven
million
dollars
like
if
we
had
40
acres
somewhere
and
we
wanted
to
build
what
camp
uiwa
has
with
with
the
lake
access
and
and
the
mature
trees
and
and
the
buildings
that
are
already
there.
We
can't
build
it
for
seven
million
dollars.
It's
not.
It
wouldn't
be
possible.
L
N
A
T
You
richard
er
city
engineer,
and
it
has
been
a
very
busy
week
so
I'll
go
through
the
numbers.
T
I
love
numbers
being
the
engineer,
so
I
was
asked
to
look
at
the
two
appraisals,
so
the
first
thing
I
did
was:
I
saw
that
both
appraisals
said
that
there
were
69.65
acres
of
property
on
these
on
these
three
parcels
and-
and
I
verified
that
was
correct,
and
then
I
got
to
get
into
the
details
some
more
and
I
found
that
the
little
tiny,
triangular
1.1
acre
piece
of
property
that
one
of
the
appraisers
had
considered
that
all
undevelopable
and
one
had
considered
it
developable.
T
So
that
was
my
first
discrepancy
that
I
discovered
then
I
started
seeing
graphically
a
lot
more
land
that
was
not
usable
when
I
compared
the
graphic
to
the
tabular
data
on
the
property
appraisers
website,
so
on
the
property
appraisers
website.
What
they
do
is
they
break
down.
They'll,
say
the
total
parcel
of
land.
Is
this
and
then
they'll
give
you
the
specific
acreage
for
the
the
submerged
land
and
then
the
specific
acreage
for
the
wetland
land
and
they
will
categorize
those
different
in
the
tabular
form?
T
T
So
we
began
to
cross-reference
the
tabular
data
with
the
the
graphical
representation
and
on
the
on
the
the
middle-sized
parcel
the
numbers
lined
up.
You
know
we
we
on
the
property
appraisers
website,
I
used
a
very.
I
used
the
tool
that
they
provide
and
I
could
I
could
graph
it
out
and
I
could
figure
out
the
area
of
the
the
submerged
area
and
that
lined
up
and
that
made
sense.
Then
I
began
to
look
at
the
graphical
depiction
of
the
area
that
was
submerged
with
the
tabular
data.
T
That
was
submerged
and
I
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
coming
up
with
anywhere
near
the
same
number.
It
was
about
six
acres
off,
so
I
had
gotten.
I
got
with
our
our
gis
folks,
mr
super
down
at
public
services,
and
I
had
him
go
and
and
pull
the
graphical
data
from
the
property
appraiser's
website
and
with
the
software
the
city
has.
He
could
he
could
very
carefully
go
through
and
calculate
how
much
how
much
land
is
being
shown
as
being
submerged
on
the
property
appraisers
website.
T
The
second
thing
I
identified
as
being
an
issue
was
that
outside
of
the
area
that's
shown
submerged,
there
is
15.81
acres
of
I'm
sorry,
there's
16.86
acres
of
floodplain
area.
That's
it
that's
area
within
the
hundred
year,
flood
plain
where
it
has
a
one
percent
chance
of
flooding
in
any
given
year,
and
with
my
experience
with
with
development
here,
knowing
that
it
no
one
has
developed
all
of
the
floodplain
area
on
their
property
and
knowing
our
land
development
code.
T
Our
land
development
code
says
that
if
you
put
one
cup
full
of
dirt
in
the
flood
plain,
then
you
have
to
take
a
couple
of
dirt
out
of
the
floodplain
somewhere
else,
and
the
engineers
can
do
a
little
bit
of
wiggling
with
that
like
they
can.
They
can
lower
the
area
near
the
lake
to
put
in
their
storm
water
ponds,
and
then
they
can
have
retaining
walls
and
put
the
homes
up
above
the
area
of
the
floodplain,
but
still
take
up
some
of
the
floodplain
area.
T
T
So
I
brought
the
the
the
discrepancy
between
the
graphics
and
the
tabular
data
and
the
floodplain
issue
and
actually
throughout
the
week
or
throughout
this
week,
although
it's
been
a
short
week,
I've
coordinated
with
both
of
the
appraisers
a
couple
of
different
occasions
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
what
they
were
thinking
when
they
put
their
appraisal
appraisals
together.
T
My
my
logic
was
was
reasonable
and
they
actually
resubmitted
their
appraisal
earlier
today
about
well
two
hours
ago,
when
this
meeting
started
and
it
went
from
five
million
down
to
4.2
million
how
much
it
was
originally
five
million
dollars
and
because.
A
T
Right
so
they're
they're,
their
appraisal
started
at
five
million
dollars
and
then
earlier
today,
when
they,
when
they
incorporated
the
the
information
I
provided,
they
lowered
it
to
4.2
and
then
an
hour
and
a
half
before
the
meeting
started.
I
spoke
with
the
second
appraiser
and,
and
I
explained
the
same
things
to
them
and
we
talked
through
all
the
numbers
and
they
said
well
richard.
They
said
the
problem
is
that
the
tabular
data
that
both
appraisers
used
from
the
property
appraiser
they
both
used
it.
T
It's
defensible.
It's
a
number,
that's
on
the
property
appraiser's
website.
This
work
that
you're
doing
with
the
graphics
is,
is
a
little
bit
subjective
and,
and
certainly
your
floodplain
work
is
a
little
bit
subjective
and
they
said
they
they
they
were.
They
were
apprehensive
to
change
their
appraisal,
their
number
and
they
were
the
six
million
dollar
when
they
were
the
higher
one.
T
They
were
apprehensive
to
change
their
number
unless
we
had
definitive
data
that
we
could
point
to
that
showed
exactly
where
the
boundaries
of
the
lakes
were
and
where
the,
where
the
boundaries
of
the
wetland
were
and
exactly
what
the
acreages
were
that.
So
we
could
compare
apples
to
apples
and
give
both
appraisers
the
same
information
that
they
could
work
their
appraisal
and
the
second
group,
the
clayton
roper
and
marshall,
recommended
that
we
get
a
survey.
T
A
professional
surveyor
go
out
and
survey,
the
boundary
of
the
lakes
and
the
boundary
of
the
wetlands
and
and
then
come
back
with
a
with
a
with
a
professional
surveyor
signed
and
sealed
drawing
that
both
appraisers
can
work
from
and
they
would.
They
would
consider
revising
their
appraisals.
Based
on
that,
more
detailed
data.
A
T
B
Well
that
that
really
hits
on
one
of
the
questions
I
had
asked
earlier.
What
is
the
actual?
What
are
the
actual
buildable
acres
so
with
that
readjustment
at
4.2?
I
know
the
taxable
amount
is
3.8
million-
that's
of
course,
usually
lower
than
the
market
value,
but
that's
getting
more
realistic
to
what
I
was
thinking
and
why
I
asked:
what
are
we
at?
What
are
they
asking
for
it?
You
know
it
to
me.
The
the
negative
is
is
partially
dealt
with
or
answered.
You
know
the
same
questions.
Why
should
we
invest
in
this?
B
B
As
long
as
we
have
accurate
numbers
of
what
the
value
of
that
is,
we
haven't
lost
seven
million
dollars.
You
know,
I
would
say
we
would
approach
it
into
two-tiered
manner.
First
of
all,
the
acquisition
of
it
then,
which
gives
as
you're
saying
I
don't
want
to
get
the
cart
before
the
horse.
That
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
look
for
the
rest
of
the
three
million
to
improve
the
property.
B
If
we
don't
have
that
support,
we
can
always
devoid
ourselves
of
that
asset
and
again,
not
that
any
of
us
want
to
see
just
more
houses,
nothing
against
the
the
building
industry,
but
we
really
have
a
valuable
asset,
so
we're
not
losing
on
that
aspect.
However,
we've
got
something
that
has
the
potential
to
make
us
a
leader
in
the
eco-tourism
market.
This
is
something
that
apopka
has
unique,
that
a
lot
of
others
don't
have,
and
that's
what
you
always
look
for
to
market
something.
What
do
you
have
that
others?
B
Don't
it's
also
one
of
the
reasons
why
other
businesses
haven't
come
with
higher
income
jobs,
because
what
do
we
have
to
offer
their
employees
if
they
move
here?
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
positives
on
this,
but
I
absolutely
you
know
agree
that
we
need
to
be
asking
these
tough
questions.
You
know,
brian,
if
you
have
a
through
a
few
grill
marks
on
you
there.
C
B
Overcoming
some
of
those
negatives
by
trying
to
get
my
notes
to
work
here
by
the
value
of
the
property
itself,
so
we
haven't
lost
that,
and
we
can
always
turn
around
at
that
point
and
say
you
know
what
those
that
are
licking
their
chops
to
want
to
build
more
housing.
If
we
can't
make
it
viable,
then
we
we
don't
play
with
the
public's
money.
At
the
same
time,
I
sure
would
hate
to
lose
this
asset.
I
think,
as
you
turned
it's
like
our
own
central
park
and
green
space
is
really
valuable.
A
T
T
Look
like
you
could
put
a
few
houses
in
there,
but
the
issue
is
that
all
of
that
or
again
about
actually
in
this
case
there's
a
little
bit
towards
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac.
It's
not
within
the
floodplain,
but
I
would
say,
probably
75
of
that
land
is
well
within
the
the
fema
floodplain.
T
So
you
know
if
you're
going
to
put
dirt
in
you
got
to
take
dirt
out
and
there's
just
again
the
developers
could
a
developer
could
probably
come
in
and
squeeze
a
lake
between.
You
know
what
might
be
big
enough
for
a
lot
and
and
and
mud
lake
there
and
and
get
maybe
a
house
or
two
at
best,
but
it
it
would
be
a
challenge
to
do
that
and
and
and
the
other
driveway
is
the
one
for
like
we,
the
actual
camp
itself.
I
wasn't
aware
of
a
third
one:
okay,.
A
That
piece
they
bought
later
was
the
ten
acre
piece
that
that
the
camp
bought
later
from
the
developer.
I
think
they
found
out.
They
were
in
the
hundred
year,
flood
plain
and
just
walked
away
from
it.
So,
okay,
can't
we
why
I
ended
up
or
the
ymca
ended
up
mine.
Mr
becker,
good,
okay,
thank
you
richard
thanks
for
all
your
help
on
that,
I
I
you
know
when
we
found
out
friday
that
you
know
the
we're
looking
at
the
at
the
usable
acres,
I'm
as
far
as
the
highest
and
best
use.
A
E
So
I've
been
taking
notes
so
that
I
can
answer
some
of
your
questions
and
concerns.
I
don't
know:
if
nicole
is
there
anything
are
we
anybody
have
any
questions
for
nicole
and
the
grant
side,
or
are
you
good
there
and
okay
all
right?
So
I
guess.
Let
me
say
this
first.
I
have
several
things
I
want
to
go
over
here
that
I've
jotted
down
from
my
and
then
I
had
my
original
notes,
but
I
think
commissioner,
banks
and
you
hit
right
on
it.
E
E
You
know
in
part,
so
I
wanted
to
say
that
that's
kind
of
you
know
how,
when
you,
when
you
look
at
it
from
an
investment
standpoint,
the
other
thing
that
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we
were
going
to
do
harm
and
road.
It
was
in
our
plan,
so
if
we
sell
the
harman
road
property,
that
part
goes
away,
but
this
park
would
take
its
place.
As
you
know,
the
comp
plan
requires
that
you
have
to
have
so
much
leisure
space
recreation
space
as
we
build.
E
I
got
with
jim.
Had
him
do
some
numbers
we're
pretty
close
to
that
right
now,
where
we
are
we're,
pretty
we're
pretty
good
when
it
comes
to
leisure
space,
but
as
building
comes
in
the
future,
keep
in
mind
you're
gonna
have
to
we're
gonna
have
to
take
on
more
of
this.
That's
why
the
harman
road
was
in
our
project.
This
will
help
that
as
well.
E
Just
so,
keep
that
in
mind
that
eventually
you'll
have
to
do
more
leisure
down
the
road
as
part
of
the
requirement
of
our
comp
plan
as
we
build
as
as
building
takes
place.
So
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
commissioner
becker
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
too.
I
guess
let
me
go
back
first
and
say
this.
So
if
you
remember
back
when
we
had
the
duke
agreement,
we
had
some
things
in
there.
We
were
talking
about
settling
up
some
of
our
debt,
paying
off
some
of
our
debt.
E
Part
of
that
was
for
these
kinds
of
things
so
that,
as
you
grow
as
we
come
into
the
next
budget
year
in
2022,
if
we
freed
up
some
of
those
dollars,
we
can
afford
to
take
on
some
some
additional
expenses
in
certain
areas.
Your
parks
budget,
as
you
know,
all
budgets
grow
every
year.
Public
safety
grows
all
the
budgets
grow
and
at
budget
time
their
needs
they
bring
their
needs
their
wants
and
we
go
all
of
those
and
we,
you
know
again,
touch
all
parts
of
the
budget
you
know
granted.
E
We
know
that
public
safety
is
our
number
one.
That's
why
that's?
Why
we're
here,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
part
of
our
budget
and
part
of
our
services
for
our
taxpayer
is
also
leisure
services.
That's
part
of
it
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
critical
to
keep
keep
that
balance
in
mind
too,
as
we
move
forward
as
far
as
parks
breaking
even
I
talked
about
it
a
little
bit
earlier.
They
do
not
northwest
recreation
does
not
break
even
you
know,
there
are
other
tax
sources
that
are
used.
E
Sales,
tax,
property
tax
pieces,
parts
and
pieces
of
those
taxes
are
used
to
help
fund
leisure
as
well.
So
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
go
through
and
and
and
look
at
all
the
expenses
operating
expenses
going
forward.
E
E
When
we
were
talking
about
this,
there
are
a
lot
of
grant
opportunities
once
you
own,
the
property
and
michael
has
worked
with
some
of
those
in
his
prior
his
prior
job,
and
he
he
really
feels
confident
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
some
grant
opportunities
will
help
with
the
capital
so
that
two
million
dollar
capital
war
number
that
you're
talking
about
between
sponsorships
and
maybe
applying
for
those
grants
we'll
be
able
to
help
with
that
number
two.
E
So
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
potential
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
with
the
cost
going
forward,
and
this
is
no
different
than
any
of
our
other
budgets.
You
know
in
public
safety
we're
always
looking
for
grants.
The
chiefs
are
both
they've
been
looking
every
day
for
grants
for
other
things
that
we
can
help
that
that
will
help
us
with
our
budget
as
well.
So
this
is
along
those
this.
This
is
very
similar
to
that
as
well.
E
So
the
the
other,
I
guess
kind
of
what
I
really
wanted
to
talk
about
is
from
a
budget
standpoint.
Commissioner
becker
you
hit
on
this
and
we
talked
about
it
on
monday.
We
do
have
all
we
have
needs
in
all
of
our
departments,
and
I
want
to
say-
and
I'm
proud
to
say
this
today
and
you
should
be
very
proud
of
yourselves
as
well,
that
if
you
look
back
just
three
or
four
years
ago,
we
have
we
have
taken
some
dollars
in
this
last
couple
of
years.
E
We
have
really
moved
a
lot
of
dollars
into
infrastructure
improvements,
and
you
should
it's
visible.
You
can
see
it
around
the
city,
we've
repaired,
those
roofs
city
hall,
roof
has
gotten
the
approval.
You
should
see
the
any
day
now
you're
going
to
see
the
the
old
roof
come
off
and
the
new
roof
go
on
so
you've
seen
those
improvements,
we've
had
four
or
five
roofs
that
we
had
to
do.
We've
got
those
done
and
or
we'll
have
those
done.
E
You
talk
about
resurfacing.
You
know
you
guys
made
a
very
good
decision,
a
well-informed
decision
when
you
put
additional
funding
over
into
the
streets
fund
to
allow
some
additional
funding
for
streets,
the
resurfacing
and
stuff
because
that
fund
is
struggling.
So
we
have
put
some
more
dollars
into
infrastructure.
E
E
You
know,
we've
had
hard
budgets
tight
budgets,
but
we
were
able
to
free
up
some
dollars
to
your.
You
know
your
hard
work,
we've
been
our
free
up
some
dollars,
and
now
we
have
a
lot
of
park.
Avenue
is
lit
a
lot
better
than
it's
been
in
a
long
time.
We
put
lighting
in
other
places,
michael
gladden,
we've
added
new,
led
lighting.
E
We
have,
and-
and
we
have
some
pam
and
her
group
and
paul-
and
his
group
continue
to
look
for
those
places
that
are
dark,
that
we
can
light
up
to
help
to
help
light
up
our
streets.
We've
put
in
and
you're
going
to
see
that
presentation,
it's
coming
to
you
as
well,
so
you
can
see
how
many
actual
new
lights
we've
put
up
and
how
much
what
we've
done.
E
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
infrastructure,
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
we
haven't
been
investing
dollars
in
there.
If
you
look
at
the
last
two
or
three
budgets,
we
have
really
put
a
lot
of
money
into
into
those
items.
Are
we
playing
catch
up
a
little
bit?
Yes,
so
I
think
you
know
it
it
takes
time.
We
can't
you
know
we.
We
took
us
a
little
while
here
to
get
to
the
roofs,
but
we've
got
those
accomplished,
so
I
think
you're
seeing
that
you're
seeing
improvements
to
that
piece.
E
So
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
that
we're
not
doing
those
items
and
that
this
is
putting
you
know,
would
put
a
strain
on
those
items.
That
being
said,
when
we
get
to
budget
time,
you
see,
as
you
see
here,
there
are
operating
costs
that
would
need
to
be
included
in
the
budget.
This
is
no
different
than
the
other
park
or
any
other
department
that
we'll
have
to
fund
in
our
budget.
E
Keep
in
mind.
You've
got
that
duke
energy
money.
So
if
there's
you
know,
if,
if
we
decide
that
hey,
we
want
to
earmark
a
little
piece
of
that
edward
for
those
initial
improvements
that
we've
got
to
do
so
that
we
can
do
that.
You
know
why
we
apply
for
grants
or
whatever
you've
got
some
funding
there
to
help
with
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
you
need
to
know
that
yeah
there
will
be
a
little
bit
of
impact
on
the
budget.
The
new
budget
going
forward
from
an
operating
standpoint.
E
We've
set
ourselves
up
good,
I
think
from
an
operating
standpoint,
where
we
will
be
able
to
take
that
on
again.
I
can't
predict
what
what
the
future
will
hold
for
revenues,
but
I
think
we've
set
ourselves
up
good
for
that.
I
think
looking
at
paying
off
debt
that
we've
talked
about
looking
at
doing
some
capital
things
that
we've
needed
to
do
for
a
while.
Getting
those
may
be
done
and
caught
up
with
the
money
that
we
do
have
from
duke
energy
will
help
when
we
get
to
budget
time
to
be
able
to
address
those
items.
E
So
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
that
in
mind.
I
I
don't
want
to,
and
I
don't
want
to
sit
up
here
and
tell
you
promise
you
that
we'll
recover
that
seven
million
dollars
what
you're
doing
what
I
think
you
have
to
the
way
you
have
to
look
at
it
is
we're
trading
one
asset
for
another
asset
that
it
stays
as
part
of
the
city
that
provides
leisure
for
our
citizens.
That's
unique
in
providing
a
park
that
a
lot
of
places
don't
have
in
our
area.
E
Is
it
a
big
purchase,
yeah,
it's
a
big
purchase
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
think
we
have
the
staff
and
I
think,
with
partnerships
and
I
think
working
hard
with
in
the
community.
If,
if
we
did
have
this
asset,
I
think
you'll
see
that
the
community
will
get
behind
it.
You'll
have
a
big
big
support
with
big
people
coming
forward
to
help.
K
Answer
any
questions
take
a
sip
of
water
because
I
saw
you
licking
your
lips
over
there,
yeah
so
I'll
kind
of
narrow.
My
commentary
to
the
point
that
you
just
kind
of
touched
on
and
commissioner
banks
and
did
too
so
if
I
look
at
the
as
as
a
reality
versus
risk,
the
risks
out
of
the
fence
we're
mitigating
risk,
because
because
there
is
value
to
the
land
totally
get
that,
and
if
you
look
at
it,
it's
going
to
do
nothing
but
appreciate
right.
It's
not
going
to
deeper
depreciate.
K
K
When
you
kind
of
do
all
the
math
there
on
the
lower
end
of
the
appraisal
that
just
came
in
it
almost
balances
to
the
t
of
what
that
land
value
could
be
in
terms
of
market
offer,
to
pay
for
some
of
the
full
five-year
costs
that
we
put
into
it
right.
So,
from
a
wrist
side
of
the
fence,
okay,
I
think
we're
good
there.
I
can.
I
can
defend
that
because,
but
the
reality
is,
if
we
go
through
with
this
purchase,
I
doubt
that
we're
going
to
be
selling
it
anytime
soon.
K
For
that
reason,
so
my
my
point
being
is
when
we
do
have
the
reality
of
the
nature
is
the
two
million
out
we
just
describe
about
the
harmony
road.
That's
a
cip
item.
We
all
know.
That's
paper
money,
that's
not!
You
know,
that's
not
like
it's
real
dollars
that
we're
taking
from
there
and
putting
it
over
here.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
on
the
cip
plan
that
we
don't
we
don't
fund
and
it
just
already
gets
pushed
out.
K
So
I
don't
want
to
use
that
so
the
what
I'm
getting
at
is
if
we've
got
three
million
dollars
worth
of
operational
and
capital
cost
over
the
next
five
years.
For
this
thing,
how
do
we
ensure
that
we're
doing
the
critical
need
items
as
a
city
whether
it
be
flooding
issues
at
border
lake?
I
know
that
we've
got
appropriations,
but
that's
not
guaranteed,
but
it
has
to
be
done.
K
There's
dollars
there
there's
the
public
safety
complex
now
granted
that
might
be
bond
issue
or
loan,
whatever
the
case
might
be,
but
there's
ancillary
costs
that
are
associated
with
something
like
that.
There's
additional
officers
and
firefighters
that
are
gonna
have
to
staff
station
six
that
or
even
expand
our
police
force
to
do
with
the
growth
that
we're
seeing
exponentially
here
in
apopka
the
infrastructure
stuff
we've
already
talked
at
nazim.
But
how
do
I
have
assurances
that,
because
this
is
all
one
pool,
the
general
fund
is
one
pool
it
funds
parks
and
rec?
K
So
part
funds,
police,
fire
accounting.
All
these
other
departments,
they
all
fight
for
the
same
dollar,
so
ever
seven
million
dollars
that
were
taken
to
the
sale
of
property
or
were
taken
from
cash
cash
flow
loss
for
this
property
is
seven
million
dollars
that
other
departments
couldn't
have
leveraged.
K
Similarly,
so
how
I
need
assurance
that
we're
not
being
punitive
to
other
departments
and
their
critical
needs,
and
is
there
a
confidence
factor
that
I
can
hear
from
you
and
we've
got
several
directors
in
the
room
you've
heard
from
your
employees.
I've
heard
from
some
of
your
employees
and
they've
voiced
their
their
concerns
about
critical
needs
in
this
room
today.
Do
I
have
confidence
that
we're
able
to
meet
critical
needs
of
each
department
at
the
same
time
making
this
investment.
E
Well,
and
what
I
will
say
to
that,
commissioner,
is
that
is,
that
is
the
job
of
the
council.
That's
what
your
job
is
when
it
comes
to
budget
time,
you're
correct
you
have
a
general
fund
and
that
general
fund
has
to
fund
all
of
those
service
levels,
and
so
you
get
to
control
how
those
service
levels
are
funded.
Based
on
the
budgets
that
come
forward,
imprinted
that
are
presented
to
you,
I
will
tell
you
we
have
some
of
the
best,
if
not
the
best
fire
and
police
services
around.
E
So
that
tells
me,
we've
done
a
good
job
at
funding
those
and
continuing
to
fund
those
at
budget
time,
you're
correct!
It's
it's
a
give
and
take
because
it's
all
comes
out
of
one
one
pot,
and
so
that
will
be
the
challenge
that,
as
it
has
been
every
year,
to
look
at
how
we'll
distribute
those
dollars.
How
will
we
effectively
place
those
dollars?
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
with
the
duke
energy
you've
seen
some
ideas
that
have
helped
to
free
up
in
that
budget.
E
So
if
we
do
a
new
public
safety
complex
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
bond
issue,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
some
dollars
for
that
in
the
future,
freeing
up
some
dollars
for
for
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
got
in
operating
in
certain
departments
or
whatever
you're
going
to
have
issues
like
that
capital
items
that
are
in
the
departments.
You
know,
one
of
them
is
the
fire
truck
that
you
know.
E
We
talked
about
using
some
of
that
duke
money
as
a
deposit
down
to
help
get
to
get
replace
that
fire
truck.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
a
decision
that
you're
going
to
have
to
do
at
budget
time.
Recreation
will
be
one
of
those
at
budget
time
too.
You'll
see
that
budget
you'll
have
to
determine
how
much
of
that
you
know
that
you
want
to
you
want
to
fund
in
when
it
comes
to
leisure
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
balancing
act.
E
That's
one
of
the
things
you
have
to
decide
is
this
a
park
you
want
to
add
that
will
add
to
your
operating,
but
when
it
comes
budget
time
you've
seen
some
of
the
preliminary
numbers
and
and
staff
works
hard,
you
know
grant
opportunities.
I
can
promise
you
we're
going
to
be
working
for
every
grant
opportunity
for
this.
If
this,
if
we
purchase
this
land
to
get
whatever,
we
can
because
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
for
these
kinds
of
this
kind
of
these
kinds
of
parks,
whatever
so
you're
right.
Commissioner,
this
is
looking
forward.
E
We'll
put
you
know,
decisions
at
budget
time,
you'll
have
you.
K
Know
absolutely
absent
just
kind
of
pulling
this
back
on
council
to
say
you
resolve
it
at
budget
time.
My
my
very
pointed
question
is
knowing
that
we'll
have
on
some
of
yours:
a
million
dollars
worth
of
operational
loss
because
of
this
this
part
the
introduction
of
this
park-
and,
I
wouldn't
say
operational
laws,
but
total
cash
flow
loss.
K
E
You
know,
as
I
stand
for
you
today,
I
would
say:
no
because
we,
our
police
and
fire,
is
not
at
risk.
I
think
they
are
funded
very
well.
I
think
they
have
the
things
that
they
need.
I
know
station
six
is
in
the
works.
We've
tried
to
get
some
funding
appropriation
from
the
state.
We've
worked
really
hard,
you
know,
if
that,
doesn't
we
don't
get
that
you
know
that
we
got
to
go
through.
We
have
everything
in
place
to
do
that.
I
think
you
know.
We've
we've
looked
at
our
infrastructure
needs.
E
We've
looked
at
the
needs,
we've
looked
at
all
of
our
needs
and
I
think
we've
done
a
really
good
job
at
covering
those
items.
You've
seen
them
at
budget
time,
you'll
see
them
again,
this
time
the
needs
of
the
departments
you
know,
and
some
of
them
carry
over,
because
we've
got
a
few
things
that
we've
had
in
prior
years
that
we've
been
able
to
move
up
and
complete
this
year.
E
So
well,
I
guess
what
I'm
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
and
I'm
and
I'm
not
saying
when
I
say
it's-
a
decision
that
you'll
have
to
make
staff
will
bring
their
budgets
we'll
bring
the
budgets
and
they'll
bring
you
the
the
for
the
vision
and
the
plans
that
you
want
to
see.
You'll
see
those
budget
dollars
and
again
we'll
you'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
set
the
budget
and
set
the
millage
rate
at
that
time.
So
you'll
have
all
the
data.
E
It's
the
department
director's
duty
to
make
sure
that
they
have
those
pieces
and
parts
and
things
that
they
need
for
you
to
make
that
that
that
best
decision
so
but
this
will
be
another
one
of
those.
If
we
buy
this
this
asset
you're
right,
you
will
see
in
the
budget
the
people
that
we
have
to
add
the
cost.
You
know
insurance
will
be
able
to
show
you
those
pieces
or
whatever
that'll
be
so
this
will
be
another
piece
of
that
of
that
budget.
That
will
that
will
come
on
as
part
of
the
overall
plan.
E
Will
we
sacrifice
police
and
fire?
I
don't
know
I
I
I
shouldn't
say
I
don't
know
what
I
mean
is
no.
I
don't.
I
do
not
think
this
council
will
do
that.
Would
we
recommend
that
no,
I
wouldn't
recommend
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
everybody
knows,
public
safety
comes
first.
So
we
will
look
at
those
items
from
that
standpoint
and
make
sure
that
everything
is
funded.
The
way
it
should
be
so.
K
Yeah,
I
mean
because
that
you
know
from
where
I
stand:
it's
the
risk
of
other
departments.
You
know
doing
doing
this,
I
mean
especially
from
a
critical
needs
standpoint.
The
the
secondary
one
is
obviously
the
expectations
of
our
residents
from
the
typical
service
level
kind
of
agreement
standpoint.
You
know
the
the
general
beautification
and
upkeep
maintenance
of
our
our
city
assets
and
the
last
question
I
had
was-
and
we
touched
on
monday
a
little
bit.
K
Can
you
just
talk
about
and
again
I'm
just
doing
this
for
the
sake
of
full
transparency,
but
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
what
the
financials
look
like
if
we,
if
we've
just
stepped
through
what
we
just
looked
at
versus,
played
out
what,
if
scenario
in
terms
of
if
it
was
to
go
to
a
developer,
what
does
that
look
like
from
a
tax-based
perspective,
what
they
would
be
contributing
in
terms
of
services,
because
there's,
I
think
the
residents
are
desiring
to
say?
K
E
I
think
we
did
that
number
jim
has
that
number
and
he
can
give
you
that
number
of
what
it
would
generate
at
valorem
was,
which
is.
D
D
But
based
on
the
developable
land
you're,
looking
at
about
40
acres
of
developable,
you
take
about
20
off
of
that
and
you've
got
about
space
for
about
150
homes.
D
If
you
boost
that
up
to
350
000,
because
it
is
lakeside
whether
or
not
you
again,
you
can
get
all
that
in
there
the
value
goes
or
the
taxes
go
up
to
about
450
000
and
then
of
course,
as
as
we
had
discussed,
then
you've
got
police
and
fire
that
are
going
to
be
responding
to
those
150
homes
give
or
take.
So
that's
a
that's
again.
C
H
K
D
Right
at
nine
acres,
yeah
23
or
so
on
the
south
side,
and
about
eight
or
so
on
the
north
side.
The
the
south
side
is
worth
one
point:
well,
it
came
out
an
appraised
value
of
1.862
and
the
north
side
is
60,
68,
000
or
60,
no
63
and
forty
three.
I
think
it
is.
O
So
23
acres
correct,
so
we're
talking
about
23
acres
as
opposed
to
six
to
seven
acres.
If
we
do
the
camp
we
walk,
so
I
look
at
it
as
a
quality
of
life
for
our
residents
and
the
the
residents
of
desperately
asking
for
something
on
this
side
of
town,
it's
closer
than
norfolk.
That's
what
we
have
currently
and
if
I
remember
correctly
when
we
talked
about
the
the
money
from
duke.
O
O
B
Yeah
again
going
back
to
the
the
swap
of
land
asset
to
me,
why
I
lean
that
way:
partially
is
because
cash
on
hand.
Obviously
you
have
to
have
some
for
operation,
but
it's
a
losing
asset.
It's
losing
15
annually
in
its
value
versus
land
is
appreciable.
H
B
You
said
you
know
for
that,
to
just
go
away:
we're
not
going
to
do
that
lightly,
but
that's
why
I
lean
towards
the
more
of
a
two-tiered
approach
to
this.
First
of
all,
the
acquisition
of
it,
which
then
gives
the
time
do
we
have
the
support.
You
know
mayor
with
your
contacts-
I
I
know
you
know
all
over
the
nation
you
can
no
seriously,
though.
B
I
really
think
there
is
a
lot
of
support
that
will
come
in
and
deal
with
the
other
side
of
that,
the
the
three
million
that
is
going
away
if
it
if
it
doesn't
sustain
itself.
So
it
gives
us
that
time
to
know
is
that
liable.
If
we're
able
to
raise
that
funds,
then
that's
not
lost
to
the
taxpayer.
It's
actually
gained
to
this
community,
and
then
we
see
the
long-term
benefit,
the
green
space
versus
auburn
urban
sprawl
and
we're
going
to
need
green
space.
Anyway.
This
is
already
partial
infrastructure
in
place.
B
We
will
have
to
do
something
to
it,
but
any
new.
If
we
trade
this,
we
simply
sell
it
off
and
we
have
more
homes
which
people
have
said.
They
really
don't
want
to
just
see
us
more
more
homes,
homes,
homes,
though
we
can't
stop
certain
growth.
We
can
steer
the
right
direction.
It
will
put
us
ahead
in
that
area
of
green
space,
give
a
valuable
asset
that
this
community
has
longed
for
for
a
long
time
for
the
swimming
and
different
things,
we've
already
gone
over.
B
So
really
that's
my
big
thing
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
saying
is
the
asset
value
of
that
if
we
get
it
at
the
right
price,
so
we
have
to
be
smart
in
our
negotiation
so
that
we're
not
hurt
that
we're
not
out
anything
and
when
we
come
out
of
that.
My
last
thought
is:
is
the
ymca
possibly
interested
in
for
their
namesake
to
give
us
a
better
value
of
acquisition
and
they
become
one
of
those
long-term
sponsors
in
that
I
don't
know
that
that
would
fit
for
them
because
they
don't
have
control.
I.
B
B
L
All
right
so
at
this
point,
what
are
we
doing
by
saying
yes
to
the
acquisition
and
how?
Where
do
we
go
from
here?.
L
L
E
So,
commissioner,
to
that
to
that
question,
what,
as
you
know,
we
have
reserves?
We
have
reserves
that
sit
at
over
25
reserve
level.
You
have
a
land
sale
that
you
just
approved
for
about
1.3
million.
We
have
some
future
land
that
we've
talked
about
the
harman
road
land
we
talked
about.
That
would
be
part.
If
you
know
we
do
go
through
with
this
deal,
then
we
would
list
that,
so
you
would
have
some
some
some
1.8
roughly.
That
was
a
and
then
600
000,
depending
on
what
what
you
do
with
that.
E
So
you
have
that
funding.
You
have
the
duke
energy
money.
That's
there
keep
in
mind.
You
know
we
talked
about
some
things
that
we
wanted
to
do
with
that,
but
that
those
dollars
are
sitting
there
so
and
you
have
a
grant
that
we're
hoping
that
we
will
get
to
be
able
to
help
with
this
as
well.
So
when
you
look
at
all
of
that
again,
you
also
have
there's
also
the
opportunity
to
borrow
money.
E
You
know
if
you
that's
an
option
too,
if
you
feel
like
you
need
to
borrow
money,
but
but
those
are
the
dollars
that
we
have
that
we
can
can
use
to
purchase
this
item.
Your
reserve
levels
are
sitting
at
a
good
point
right
now
to
where
you
could
front
the
money
till
the
land
sells
on
harman
road
to
put
the
money
back
into
the
fund,
so
there's
all
so
that
the
dollars
are
there.
If
you
decide
to
to
do
the
purchase,
so
would
we.
E
Have
a
double
dating
double
a
rating
doubling,
so
you
could.
You
could
borrow
the
money.
I
would
recommend
not
borrowing
the
money
right
now
at
this
point
in
time,
you've
got
some
big
things
coming
on
the
horizon
that
you're
going
to
probably
have
to
you
know,
depending
on
you
know
what
the
wishes
are
of
the
council,
a
big
bond
issue.
E
That's
coming
that
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
that's
going
to
be
pretty
big,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
set
ourselves
up
for
that
that
future
debt,
but
I
think
between
the
land
sell
and
hopefully
we
get
the
grant
and
the
dollars
that
we
have.
You
know
get
some
money
from
duke.
E
I
think
you,
you
know
there
will
be
enough
funding
through
those
those
dollars
to
you
know
basically,
almost
trade
asset
for
asset,
so
we
will
have
to
use
our
our
cash
to
make
the
purchase,
depending
on
the
timing
and
everything
if
they
accept
the
offer,
depending
on
the
timing
it
takes
to
close.
But
okay.
L
So
I
just
want
to
ask
the
mayor
one
question
sure
you
have
the
the
the
friends
of
camp.
We
will
save.
L
A
lot
of
money
well.
L
A
K
K
E
Envision
that,
if
you,
if
you
give
direction
tonight
for
the
mayor
to
make
an
offer
whatever
that,
whatever
that
is,
however,
you
decide
to
do
that.
That
we
would
make
that
that
we
would
make
the
offer.
And
then
we
would
have
to
hear
back
from
the
y
on
our
offer,
if
they're
good
with
everything,
and
then
we
would
have
to
put
together
a
an
agreement
or
a
contract,
and
you
know
you
would
you
would
see
that
to
do
the
final.
E
K
E
A
The
two
things
we've
got
to
we'll
have
to
accomplish,
even
if
they
accept
the
offer
is
we've
got
to
get
a
survey,
a
legal,
legitimate
survey
and
we
have
to
do
a
phase
one
audit,
okay,
environment.
So
those
would
come
so.
The
the
process,
in
my
mind,
would
be.
Is
we
make
an
offer?
We
send
it
to
the
y
and
based
on
you
know,
survey,
which
I
mean,
I
think
we're
fine.
There.
Obviously
title
search
make
sure
that
they
stay
on
the
property
and
then
a
environmental.
You
know
audit
and
then
we
could
close
within.
A
A
Q
You
can
make
a
motion
to
basically
authorize
this.
The
city
to
enter
into
negotiations
for
the
purchase
of
the
property
and
that'll
then
entitle
trying
up
an
offer
and
then
drawing
up
a
contract
and
moving
forward
with
the
the
purchase.
Okay,
I
think
once
we,
if
we
are
authorized
to
enter
into
a
contract,
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
a
contract,
we
won't
go
back
to
the
council
for
final
approval
of
the
contract,
but
we've
already
authorized
that
negotiation.
Q
What
will
come
back
will
be
and
it's
a
well
no
you've
been
authorized
entering
an
execution
at
that
point,
then,
once
we
have
a
final
final
deal,
it
can
come
back
to
ratify
the
deal
okay,
but
you
can,
but
the
motion
should
be
to
to
authorize
the
city
to
enter
into
negotiations
for
the
purchase
of
camp.
We
will
and.
A
B
And
while
he's
coming
again,
I
do
think
it
is
a
a
point
for
negotiation
for
them
to
realize
all
the
work
and
years
they
put
into
it.
We're
trying
to
continue
that
versus
it
just
be.
You
know
an
investor's.
A
A
A
Could
we
offer
4.1
or
3.9
yeah,
but
but
you
know
we
we
still
want
them
as
friends,
we
still
want
to
you
know
partner
with
them.
I.
A
I
don't
think
that's
I
mean
at
this
point:
they're,
not
they're
they're,
just
trying
to
to
keep
the
doors
open
and
I
don't.
I
don't
mean
that
you
know
that
they're
going
to
close.
If
we
don't,
we
don't
purchase
it,
but
I
don't
think
that
they've
got
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
in
you
know
the
banks,
you
know
breathing
down
their
necks,
so
I
don't
know,
there's
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
so
with
that
rich.
I
am
so
sorry.
X
Again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
I
saw
a
couple
of
you
guys
out
at
the
save
camp
weewa
block
party.
So
I
thank
you
guys
for
all
doing
that.
I'm
going
to
try
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
you
guys
have
said
while
trying
to
also
speak
on
behalf
of
the
friends
of
weewa.
So
again
my
name
is
rich
johas,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
this
afternoon.
X
We
have
spoken
to
the
media
in
support
of
the
city's
purchase
over
and
over
on
many
occasions,
and
thanks
to
your
organization
and
support,
we
did
have
that
great
block
party,
where
I
think
it
was
just
about
200
people
showed
up,
we
sold
t-shirts,
you
guys
sold
t-shirts
and
we
had
a
really
great
time.
I
got
some
good
media
coverage
on
that
as
well.
I'm
here
today,
for
a
few
reasons,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
friends
of
wewa
group.
X
My
first
and
foremost
reason
is
to
once
again
reiterate
our
group's
support
for
the
city's
efforts
to
save
camp
wewa.
We
share
in
the
thousands
of
apopka's
residents
opinion
that
the
city
doesn't
need
another
gated
community
and
it
certainly
doesn't
need
one
on
that
property.
You
see
for
almost
100
years.
X
Those
live
oaks
and
rustic
buildings
have,
as
our
campfire
song
says,
guarded
our
golden
memories.
Many
have
said
you
can
build,
or
many
have
said
you
can
never
build
another
camp.
We
want
in
this
day
and
age
and
they're
right.
The
name
camp
we
want
means
something
to
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
in
america
and
around
the
world.
It
is
a
place
that
has
developed
incredible
leaders,
as
we
know
here,
politically
and
but
also
in
sports
music
business
and,
yes,
even
sportscenter
youtube
stars
in
2021.
X
When
we
all
know
our
kids
are
hurting
from
social
distancing
and
lack
of
interaction.
More
than
ever
has
we
will
ever
been
more
important.
Think
of
what
it
would
mean
to
the
citizens
of
apopka
to
have
a
world-class
summer
camp
facility,
a
place
where
kids
and
their
citizens
can
learn
to
swim,
how
to
shoot
an
arrow.
X
We
hope
the
city
keeps
part
of
the
resident
camp
alive,
but
we
understand,
as
we
think
that
is
an
invaluable
experience
to
learn
about
themselves
and
grow
into
leaders.
But
we
know
you
have
a
difficult
duty
in
front
of
you,
as
you
have
to
deal
with
all
of
your
constituents
and
making
sure
that
camp
uiwa
is
for
your
citizens
as
a
parent.
I
have
seen
how
much
this
quarantine
has
cost.
X
Our
kids
and
the
city
of
apopka
has
a
chance
to
be
bold,
to
be
a
leader
and
say
our
kids
need
this,
and
you
know
what
all
of
us
do,
because
we
was
not
just
a
summer
camp.
It
can
host
so
many
of
those
community
events
at
a
time
when
all
of
us
will
shortly
soon
be
vaccinated
and
screaming
for
the
opportunities
that
camp
we
want
to
bring
think
about.
X
Bringing
of
you
know
the
family,
reunions
and
the
you
know
just
a
camp
cookout
and
you
know
having
hot
dogs
and
singing
songs
and
just
being
together
again,
we
all
miss
those
experiences
and
camp
wewa
is
already
set
up
to
host
those
experiences.
X
I
heard
someone
mention
back
here.
I
think
it
was
mentioned
the
ocps
and
we
used
to
host
almost
every
summer
or
every
elementary
school,
every
fifth
grade
field
trip
would
come
out
to
camp.
We
will
and
we
didn't
have
the
wildlife
trail
that
you
guys
do
now.
I
could
just
imagine
the
opportunities
that
could
come
from
an
ocps
contract.
Seminole
county
has
one
similar
I
think
wewa
could
be
better
than
theirs,
so
that
can
be
additional
resources
and
funds
being
brought
into
the
city.
X
One
of
the
great
things
that
has
come
about
this
last
month
is
the
chance
for
wewa's
directors
and
staff
to
come
back
together.
Together,
we
have
hundreds
of
years
of
camp
experience
and
we
know
how
to
partner
with
government.
We
know
how
to
partner
with
other
non-profits.
We
know
how
to
partner
with
businesses.
X
We
know
how
to
raise
money,
and
we
know
how
to
get
grants,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
all
pledged
to
be
available
to
you
in
any
way,
not
just
because
we
love
wewa,
because
we
know
how
valuable
and
the
thousands
of
ways
that
land
can
be
used
to
make
apopka
a
better
place.
We
are
not
going
to
go
away
once
the
city
buys
the
property
we
want
to
be
here,
for
you
to
watch
it
grow
and
raise
money
and
make
it
better.
X
X
I
have
been
extremely
impressed
with
what
the
team,
the
team
that
the
city
has
has
already
assembled
and
their
bold
and
exciting
programming
ideas,
and
we
want
to
offer
you
assistance
with
these
programs
and
help
bring
back
existing
groups
and
programs
while
helping
to
bring
in
new
ones.
We
have
thousands
of
alumni
who
are
already
ready
to
send
their
kids
back
to
camp
wewa,
and
you
have
seen
just
a
small
portion
of
our
fundraising
fundraising
potential.
X
X
B
A
We're
so
excited
for
this,
but
it
doesn't
make
one
in
this
in
the
next.
This
year's
budget
we're
even
reducing
the
revenue,
so
parks
and
rec
was
never
meant
to
make
money.
Police
and
fire
never
meant
to
make
money.
The
only
department
we
have
in
the
city
of
apopka
that
makes
money
is
community
development.
So
I
mean
forget
about
all.
That
is
the
dollars
that
we're
giving
from
sales
tax
and
from
property
tax
and
all
these
things.
Where
do
we
want
to
invest
them?
A
I
mean
that's
that
simple
and-
and
we
I
think,
edward
put
it.
You
know
pretty
pretty
boldly
that
you
know
our
first
responders
are
a
number
one.
Without
that
everything
else
is
goes
away,
but
at
the
point
you
get
that
taken
care
of,
and
I
think
I
don't
think
anybody
would
argue
that
we're
we've
got
got
an
iso
one
rated
fire
department,
we've
increased
the
revenue
at
the
fire
department
over
a
million
dollars,
we've
added
police
officers
going
to
add,
hopefully
another
10
this
year
I
said
so,
public
safety
is
being
taken
care
of.
C
A
K
M
M
M
Is
very
willing
to
negotiate
a
price,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
copies
of
this
with
you
and
the
one
thing
I
haven't
heard
you
talk
about.
I
ran
the
dragon
boat
festival
in
tavares
for
a
number
of
years
for
our
rotary
club
and
our
biggest
problem
was
wind
and
there
is
a
competing
dragon
boat
festival
in
city.
M
We
don't
we
sunset
it
last
year,
but
in
citrus
county,
where
they
have
a
protected
lake,
they
get
upwards
of
56
teams
from
all
over
the
state
of
florida,
from
as
far
away
as
canada
to
come
down
and
compete
on
that
lake,
because
I
have
a
very
protected
venue.
If
you
own
that
entire
lake,
you
could
have
a
dragon
boat
festival
boat
across
the
lake
people
get
out
and
start
again
it
would
be
a
fantastic
dragon
boat
festival
venue.
M
A
L
L
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
we've
got
everybody
we're
now
at
the
point
where
I
guess
we
can
open
up
to
any
any
other
comments
and
then,
if
not
look
for
a
motion
do
something
here.
So
any
anybody
want
to
lead
us
out.
B
I
am
willing
to
make
that
motion
based
upon
the
readjusted
appraisal
as
a
ceiling
for
that
and
give
the
staff
the
opportunity
to
negotiate
on
the
city
behind.
K
K
I
still
have
some
concerns,
but
if
we're
saying
that
what
we're
taking
here
in
the
operational
costs
that
we're
incurring,
we
don't
have
immediate
risk
in
terms
of
our
budget
and
to
be
able
to
satisfy
critical
needs
for
our
city,
I
can
get
behind
it
and
then
to
your
point,
edward,
it's
incumbent
upon
us
as
a
council
to
make
sure
that
the
priorities
stay
in
line
with
what
priorities
need
to
be
during
the
budget
process.
A
Well,
that's
I
mean
we,
we
started
out
this
year
or
2019-20
with
with
about
a
three
million
dollar
shortfall
based
on
sales
tax,
and
we
ended
up
in
the
black
I
think
or
close
to
being
break.
Even
so,
I
I
think
that
we
as
a
city
are
pretty
well
run.
I
think
we,
the
departments,
you
know,
operate
within
their
budgets.
I
think
we
we
know
how
to
to
run
the
city,
but
you
know
what,
if
you
have
coveted,
plus
plus
plus
hit
us
all
bets
are
off
on
anything.
A
So
we
can't,
you
know
we
can't
make
you
know
promises
and
I
didn't
expect
brian
to
make
promises.
He
can't
keep,
but
I
think
you
know
when
you
look
at
what
we've
got
we've
got.
You
know.
Obviously
we
reduced
our
our
our
indebtedness
by
7
million
and
if
we
you
know
looking
at
some
of
the
duke
money,
another
another
million
plus
there
I
got.
I
talked
to
a
good
friend
of
mine,
lou
hodner,
who
is
the
most
successful
wild
turkey
banquet.
A
You
know
guy
on
the
planet
and
he
told
me
he
said:
listen.
He
said
nelson.
You
put
this
together
along
with
the
camp
we
wild
friends,
he
says
the
minimum
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
raise
for
is
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
and
if
he
tells
me
I'm
telling
you
lou
hobner,
he
doesn't,
he
doesn't
do
anything
second
class.
He
he
knows
how
to.
He
knows
how
to
raise
money,
so
I
think
they're
they're,
you
know.
Obviously
we
want
big
corporate
sponsors.
We
want.
You
know
small
corporate
sponsors.
I
think
we've
got.
A
A
A
But
it's
not,
you
know
it's
not
a
great
following,
and
so
you
know
the
enthusiasm
is
there
for
sure,
and
and
I
I
want
to
go
back
a
little
bit
in
time
for
me
and
and
that
I
tell
you
you
know
we
we
go
back
when
I
was
a
county
commissioner.
We
we
had
a
pot
of
money,
four
million
dollars,
that
each
of
the
county
commissioners
were
got
to
spend
and
you
know
where
I
spent
it.
A
Dock
there
that
you
know
will
hold,
we
can
have.
You
know,
bass
tournaments
with
all
kind
of
things
we
can
do
on
lake
apopka,
and
now
we
add
camp
weewa,
along
with
the
birding
park,
which
we
all
you
know
approved
not
too
too
long
ago.
So
I
think
this
whole
ecotourism
component,
along
with
you,
know
what
what
opportunities
we
have
with
camp.
We
want
it
just
it's
something
you
know
obviously
we'd
love
to
have
been
able
to
plan
for
it
better.
A
The
debt
load
is
the
lowest
it's
ever
been
or
or
in
the
last
you
know
other
than
than
the
water
plant,
which
I
wasn't
a
part
of,
but
anyway,
so
we
we've.
We've
made
those
financial,
hard
choices
along
the
way
to
get
us
where
we
are
today
and-
and
I
don't
mean
by
scrimping
on
you-
know
our
our
first
responders,
but
you
know
we
me,
we
challenged
each
of
our
directors.
A
You
know
you
know
tell
me
why
we
need
that
and
and
challenged
everything
from
you
know
the
I.t
to
parks
and
rec
to
community
development,
and
so
we
we
have
really
worked
hard
to
get
us
a
position
where
we
can
take
an
opportunity
like
this
and
make
an
offer.
So
I
I
I
applaud
a
couple
of
people.
I
got
to
tell
you:
it's
nicole
kennedy
has
just
been
super
she's
done
a
lot
to
help.
Get
us
to
this
point.
A
Also,
the
friends
of
you
know.
Camp
weewa
have
done
a
lot
golly,
just
the
amount
of
enthusiasm,
those
the
folks
and
to
watch
them
sing
around.
You
know
sing
the
campfire
song
as
we
ended
the
the
day.
A
couple
saturdays
ago
was
pretty
cool,
so
the
city
has
really
come
together
from
all
the
departments
working
on
on
this,
this
this
opportunity
that
we've
got
in
front
of
us
and
and
we
we
feel
confident
that
you
know
we'll
get
some
money
from
the
dep
slash.
A
A
Okay,
next
up,
we've
got,
let's
see
here,
ordinance
number
2816.,
okay,.
V
The
property
is
owned,
mixed-use,
east
shore
gateway
and
a
application
for
cc.
Community
commercial
zoning
has
been
submitted
and
will
be
presented
at
the
next
next
agenda
item.
The
subject:
property
is
approximately
2.93
acres
with
commercially
zoned
or
commercially
oriented
properties
in
the
vicinity.
V
The
development
review
committee
and
planning
commission
recommend
approval
for
the
proposed
small
scale.
Future
land
use
amendment
to
commercial,
and
the
recommended
motion
for
this
afternoon
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2816
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
march
17th
2021..
V
A
B
M
A
V
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
rezoning
from
mixed-use
east
shore
gateway
district
to
cc
community
commercial
district
for
the
same
subject:
property
as
the
previous
agenda
item.
The
proposed
community
commercial
zoning
is
compatible
with
the
previously
proposed
commercial
future
land
use
and
the
concept
plan
from
last
time
has
been
submitted
by
the
applicant.
A
Okay,
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2817
at
first
reading
and
hold
it
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
So
much
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
becker
second
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up,
2818
ordinance,
okay,.
T
R
R
R
A
request
to
assign
a
future
land
use
designation
of
hdr
25
is
compatible
with
the
designations
assigned
to
the
surrounding
properties
and
is
permitted
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
the
property
is
located
within
the
east
shore.
New
market
area,
which
is
one
of
the
four
locations
depicted
in
policy
3.1
h
of
the
future
land
use
element
concept
plan,
was
submitted
as
a
point
of
discussion
by
the
applicant,
which
shows
the
potential
layout
of
the
apartment.
R
R
R
K
R
K
Because
I
mean
in
preparation
of
the
applicant
speaking,
you
know:
what's
the
compelling
reason
to
go
up
and
increase
in
density,
because
if
I'm
looking
at
it,
that's
149
additional
units,
if
you
factor
in
three
people
per
household
which
are
census,
data
now
has
for
a
popular,
that's
447
residents.
If
you
use
the
department
of
transportation
cars
per
household,
that's
1.88,
that's
280
vehicles,
43
additional
students
based
off
ocps
student
generation
rate
leading
to
that
over
capacity
situation.
K
Z
Good
good
late
afternoon,
mayor
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
rebecca
wilson.
May
I
remember
my
name
is
rebecca
wilson
215
north
eola
drive
with
the
lowndes
law
firm
with
with
respect
specifically
to
school
issues.
This
is
the
ocps.
Z
Their
their
analysis
and,
in
fact,
right
now,
wheatley
elementary
school
is
only
at
74
capacity
and
they
allow
up
to
110
capacity
so
sitting
here
today
there
isn't
a
problem.
What
happened
is
that
the
school
board
is
keeping
count
of
every
unit
that
you
all
approve,
whether
it
gets
built
or
not
so
right
now,
based
on
those
counts
that
reserved
capacity
is
at
106.
Z
So
I'm
going
to
disagree
a
little
bit
with
bobby,
and
that
is
anything
built
here,
whether
it's
at
15
or
25,
if
you're
looking
at
reserved
capacity
is
over
capacity,
but
when
we
come
back
through
with
the
pd,
some
of
this
reserved
capacity
in
the
elementary
will
likely
have
dropped
off,
because
not
everything
that's
approved
is
built
out
to
that.
Maximum
second
is,
and
we've
worked
a
lot
with
the
capacity
enhancement
agreements,
even
though
capacity
enhancement
agreements
have
gone
away.
Z
Remember
that
was
the
additional
mitigation
payment
you'd
pay
on
top
of
the
of
the
impact
fees.
Well,
the
school
board's
done
two
things:
one
they've
increased
the
school
impact
fee
rate,
so
unfortunately,
my
client's
not
going
to
be
able
to
pull
a
building
permit
fast
enough
to
beat
that
rate
increase,
so
they're
going
to
be
paying,
I
believe,
6
700
per
unit
and
the
school
board
has
generally
agreed
with
the
development
community.
You
let
us
increase
these
impact
fees
and
we're
going
to
put
that
money
to
work
to
solve
these
capacity
problems.
Z
It
eventually
becomes
impact
fee
creditable,
but
the
idea
is
the
school
board,
gets
the
money
quicker
and
can
put
that
to
use
to
generally
try
to
bring
schools
on
board
around
the
time
that
we
would
start
delivering
units.
So
so,
with
the
respect
with
respect
to
the
increase,
as
you
know,
your
your
comprehensive
plan
has
adopted
certain
areas
in
town
where
you
found
that
it
was
appropriate
to
go
between
the
15
and
25
units
per
acre.
This
is
one
of
those
areas
and
so
we're
we're
asking
that
that
be
implemented.
Z
K
Z
Well,
we
we
are
looking
at
partnering
with
a
a
professional
high-end
developer
and
and
to
have
the
type
of
amenities
that
we
want
to
include.
Yes,
we
need
some
additional
densities,
we'll
be
happy
when
we
come
back
with
the
planned
development
and
the
the
master
plan
and
the
major
development
plan,
you
all
will
begin
to
see
those
those
types
of
amenities
that
we're
trying
to
support
in
building
in
this
location.
Z
In
addition,
we're
reserving
right
of
way
for
what
we
believe
will
be
a
future
condemnation
for
a
road
widening,
that's
coming
through
here
and
and
again
that
25
units
is,
is
the
max.
I
think,
as
bobby
shared
we're
coming
in
a
little
bit
below
that
the.
Z
Would
have
been
371
and-
and
that
is
you
know
in
fairness,
what
you're
transmitting
now
our
pd
that
we've
submitted
is
closer
to
354.,
so
so
right
in
between
the
15
and
the
25
units,
an
acre.
O
Z
No,
the
these
numbers,
the
school
board,
used
the
numbers
from
november,
I'm
looking
at
it
right
now.
It
says
november
5
20,
wait!
No!
That's!
When
we
submitted
sorry
they
were
using
last
we
talked.
They
are
still
using
the
october
2019
numbers
for
capacity,
because
the
school
board
does
not
want
to
assume
that
people
that
are
being
home,
schooled
aren't
going
to
come,
aren't
going
to
come
back,
so
the
school
board
has
not
given
us
the
benefit
of
using
the
lower
lower
numbers.
O
But
I
mean,
but
when
I
read
the
the
report,
it
said
that
the
seats
were
not
available
and
when
we're
talking
about
30
students
we're
talking
about
a
whole.
Another
classroom-
and
I
guess
my
concern
is
the
school-
is
already
at
a
low
performing
we're
talking
about
a
double
d
and
now
we're
talking
about
adding
additional
students
to
a
school.
That's
primarily
supposed
overcrowding.
I
understand
the
the
paying
in,
but
but
those
dollars
really
do
not
generate
additional
classrooms
in
a
timely
fashion.
Z
It
is
the
74
percent
and
you've
got
to
also
remember
and
and
looks
schools
that
are,
they
can
be
incredibly
frustrating
to
deal
with,
because
the
state
also
doesn't
let
you
build
a
new
school
until
the
capacity
is
at.
I
believe,
if
somebody
smarter
than
me
is
at
115
or
120
percent,
so
you
can't,
they
can't
even
say
we
know.
Apopka
is
growing
and
we
know
we're
going
to
have
all
these
students
they
still
have
to
in
order
to
get
funding
from
the
state.
Z
Z
B
That
just
really
covered
my
concerns
as
well,
and
I
guess
the
the
biggest
issue
is:
are
you
being
held
to
the
number
of
units
based
upon
the
school
saying?
Okay,
we
are
now
able
to.
Z
No,
the
the
well,
let
me
say
this
two
ways.
First,
the
school
system
knows
when
you
all
adopt
to
to
transmit
that
you
have
approved
these
units.
They
do
not
put
a
hold
on
it
and
say
you
can't
have
a
building
permit,
because
you
you,
as
a
local
government,
can
make
that
decision.
What
they
do
have
in
place
is
school
concurrency,
so
we
do
have
to
meet
school
concurrency
and
up
push
funds
up
front
so
that
they
have
those
funds.
In
order
to
provide
these
these
student
stations
on
time
and.
Z
We
come
back
with
the
pd
and
the
the
adoption
of
this
right.
This
is
just
transmittal
tonight.
You
guys
are
going
to
get
to
look
at
this
again,
we're
hoping
that
these
numbers
actually
improve,
because
we
believe
that
some
of
this
reserved
capacity
that
aren't
really
homes
or
students
out
there
is
going
to
drop
off.
L
That's
that's
pretty
pretty
much
touched
on
that
is
just
hi.
I
remember
you
from
pnc
in
orange
county,
so
funny
that
she
sees
me
here
now.
Basically
that
was
it
the
increase
in
the
units
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
burden
on
the
local
school
and
it's
philly
sweetly.
It's
it's.
I
know
it's
not
a
a
or
b
school
right
at
this
point,
but
from
what
you're
saying
with
the
time
frame
by
the
time
you
start
to
get
the
permits
and
build
on
it.
L
You
know
the
elementary
school
is
only
from
k
to
five.
A
lot
of
those
students
have
moved
forward,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
does
become
the
the
capacity
for
the
school
does
become
available.
All
right
that
I
do
know.
A
K
And
just
one
last
comment:
I
mean
the
the.
If
we
didn't
do
anything
in
terms
of
the
density
change,
the
capacity
is
already
it's
already
there.
We
wouldn't
be
talking
about
a
capacity
issue,
that's
already
planned
yeah.
I
mean
the
point
that
I'm
making
is
just
by
the
paper
density
that
we're
increasing
this
by
I
mean
447.
K
Resonances
would
almost
be
a
one
percent
population
and
growth
in
our
population
size
just
off
of
this
one
density
change-
and
we
just
had
a
presentation
a
couple
months
ago
on
the
road
strains
that
we
have
in
that
particular
area,
so
especially
north
of
the
intersection
of
ocoeopopkin
keene
road.
That's
a
very
dangerous
intersection.
Add
280
cars
to
it.
If
you
take
the
law
of
averages
here,
just
based
off
of
this
density
increase,
I
just
you
know.
What's
the
compelling
reason
why
we're
doing
it.
A
I
mean,
I
know
we
do
have
one
more
crack
at
it
when
it
comes
back
from
deo,
but
so
what's
the
pleasure
of
the
board.
C
Z
Just
address
the
last
comment,
I
think
I
mean
just
driving
here.
I
certainly
drove
past
this
site,
and
the
thing
that's
most
compelling
in
this
area
is
that
there's
a
large
brand
new
hospital
and
if
you,
if
you
want
to
start
cutting
down
on
transportation
problems,
you
put
the
people
where
they're
closer
to
where
they
work-
and
that's
what's
compelling
to
us
about
this
site-
is
that
that
is
the
type
of
clientele
that
we
want
to
have
people
that
are
that
are
working
or
want
to
be
adjacent
to
the
type
of
development.
A
S
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
if
we
don't
do
anything
if
we
don't
approve
development-
and
this
is
just
a
general
statement-
traffic's
going
to
come
anyway
and
all
of
our
the
capacity
that
we
would
like
for
projects
in
the
city
is
going
to
be
used
up
from
other
jurisdictions
where
they
put
traffic
on
the
road
and
it
travels
down.
Okay,
a
pop
road-
and
it's
still
going
to
be
bad.
S
S
We're
in
discussions
there's
going
to
be
a
publix
across
the
road
they
just
confirmed
to
me:
they've
been
having
conversations
with
them
and
and
that
that's
our
approach,
we're
asking
people
to
do
things.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
come
into
this
city
and
do
good
things,
and,
and
that's
how
they're
going
to
pay
us
back,
is
by
helping.
K
Yeah
two
final
comments:
I'll
be
quiet,
so
one
this
is
new
as
a
funding
mechanism
to
increase
density
for
road
expansion.
I
it's
new
to
me,
but
then
also
too
alta
e's
two
are
under
the
15
to
1.
Units
per
acre
are
building
right
by
the
hospital,
so
it's
the
same
proximity
and
yet
one
developer
can
do
it
at
15
20
units
per
acre
and
this
one
needs
25.
And
so
that's
just
that's
my
struggle.
It's
my
personal
struggle
and
that's
just
my
opinion.
A
A
A
A
R
9.487
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
apopka
centerline
development,
llc,
the
writer
for
several
million
okay
bob
we're
requesting
a
continuance
to
a
date
certain
of
april
7th
2021
to
preserve
advertising.
The
applicant
is
still
working
on
issues
with
orange
county
public
schools
related
to
capacity
determinations,
okay,.
A
C
AA
R
Thank
you
for
the
record
bobby
howell
planning
manager.
The
quest
is
annex
two
parcels,
totaling
30.19
acres
into
the
city.
It
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
kelly
park,
road
and
east
of
diamond
drive
adjacent
to
the
west
of
the
kelley
park.
Oaks
at
kelly
park
subdivision
the
purpose
for
the
annexation
is
it's.
The
applicant
intend
to
develop
phase
three
of
the
oaks
at
kelly
park
subdivision
on
the
property.
The
parcels
are
contiguous
to
the
state
limits
and
eligible
for
annexation.
R
K
The
only
question
I
would
have
is:
is
there
any
intention,
because
this
will
be
the
phase
three
of
the
currently
developed
development-
that's
redundant,
but
there's
no
intention
of
connecting
it
to
that.
I
don't
know
what.
Let's.
R
Treat
that
as
to
the
left
diamond
drive
yeah,
I
believe
the
applicant
has
been
in
discussions
with
possibly
connecting
diamond
drive.
I
think
there
is
a
strip,
a
platted
strip
that
would
possibly
or
plot
it
right
away.
My
memory
serves
me
correct
that
would
have
to
be
possibly
vacated
or
an
easement
or
something
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
the
plaque,
but
we've
had
discussions
about
that.
AB
Afternoon
jeff
summitt
summit
engineering
representing
the
the
applicant,
so
it's
actually
a
county
road,
so
diamond
drive
is
a
county
road.
It's
not
a
city
road
and
the
strip
bobby's
talking
about
it's
actually
a
right-of-way
strip
that
was
dedicated
on
the
plat
we've
talked
to
the
county.
We
don't
have
an
answer
as
to
whether
or
not
they
will
allow
a
connection.
A
M
M
L
Well,
I
just
kind
of
want
to
touch
that.
I
went
on
the
first
vegan
festival
that
we
had
over
in
at
the
amphitheater,
and
it
was
really
a
success.
L
So,
whoever
put
it
together,
it
was
very
successful
and
they
were
very
happy
and
a
lot
of
the
vendors
sold
out
before
the
end
of
the
the
the
end
of
the
day,
because
I
think
it
was
till
seven
o'clock.
So
it
was
a.
It
was
a
good,
a
festival
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
our
own
residents
were
unaware
of
it
and
so
whoever
kind
of
hosted
it.
I
would
just
recommend
to
kind
of
do
a
little
better
marketing
for.
B
Yeah
I
just
want
to
bring
up
and
I'm
sure
everybody's
aware:
we've
we've
had
our
issues
with
flooding.
I
know
jeff's
been
working
really
hard
on
that,
and
I
appreciated
the
correspondence
jeff
that
you
you
took
some
real
time
to
try
and
dig
in
and
yeah
and
and
put
on
an
understandable
level.
Why
we're
in
this
situation
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
response
again
about
our
lake
cortez
area,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
been
going
back
and
forth
on
that.
B
I
I
think
I
copied
you
in
on
something
there,
but
you
know
again
the
study
that
we've
just
had
done.
It's
now
putting
us
in
the
place
to
start
making
recommendations
what
we
can
do,
one
of
the
things
that
a
study
found
was
that
the
infrastructure
is
not
collapsed,
nor
corrupt.
It's
functioning
the
way
that
it
it's
it's
supposed
to
at
that.
B
B
As
far
as
this
one,
where,
how
is
this
one,
when,
with
you
know
with
what
they
they've
come
up
with
with
the
studies.
C
U
It's
a
challenge
because
it's
really
four
different
agencies
that
border
lake
part
of
it
is
in
the
city
of
apopka.
Part
of
it
is
in
seminole
county
lake
cortez
is
an
incorporated
orange
county
that
one
of
the
aggravating
factors
is
there
is
that
somebody
sat
there
and
widened
436,
and
that
would
be
the
florida
department
of
transportation
and
we've
been
trying
to
work
to
bring
the
mayor's
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
bring
partners
together
to
work
on
this.
U
Seminole
county
into
it
that
really
that
the
the
two
big
things
that
have
changed
are
some
of
the
developments
in
seminole
county
and
then
436
that
are
masturbating.
This
situation,
so
we're
continuing
to
work
on
it,
but
there
there's
a
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
I
just
haven't
figured
out
if
it's
a
train
or
not
yet.
B
B
To
ask
what
you
know:
what
can
we
share
with
our
constituents
to
help
them
to
understand?
This
is
our
circumstance
and
I
don't
want
it
to
be
one
of
those
where
well
it's
them
and
you
know,
finger
pointing
and
nothing
gets
done,
but
we're
all
so
limited
what
we
can
do
and
if
we
just
throw
money
at
a
problem
to
make
people
feel
better,
but
it
doesn't
fix
it.
That's
not
the
long
term
right.
U
The
fundamental
problem
is,
we
can't
pump
the
lake,
we
can't
pump
border
lake
to
the
point
to
start
alleviating
some
of
the
issues.
U
Even
if
we
were
to
pump
it,
we
haven't
got
any
place
to
put
the
water
right
that
we're
working
with
orange
county
public
works
right
now
that
they've
established
that
there
was
a
previous
drain
well
in
the
area
that
we're
trying
that
working
together
we're
trying
to
work
with
them
to
re
and
work
with
dep,
to
try
and
reestablish
that
drain
well,
which
will
help
alleviate
the
problem.
U
I
will
tell
you
that
f
dot
has
not
been
willing
to
come
to
the
table
is
the
best
way
to
put
it
that
that
that
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
being
experienced
around
lake
tour
lake
cortez
are
similar
to
those
that
the
other
project
you
you
mentioned
was
lake
hammer
and
that
that
we're
seeing
around
lake
hammer
that
the
residents
that
are
having
the
flooding
problems
are
within
the
the
flood
plain
of
lake
cortez,
that
lake
cortez
flows
towards
lake
hammer
and
if
lake
hammer's
full
there's
no
place
for
the
water
to
go,
so
it
just
continues
to
expand.
U
M
B
So
the
bottom
line
is
we're
putting
definite
muscle
and
effort
on
the
ability
that
we
have
should
we
then
try
and
focus
the
email
army.
That's
out
there
towards
some
of
these
others.
Will
that
help?
Will
it
hurt.
U
Right
lake
cortez
is
in
in
orange
county,
so.
A
U
They're
they're
focusing
it
towards
us.
I
don't
know
that
it
does
any
that
there's
any
benefit,
saying
hey!
You
need
to
get
hold
of
seminole
county.
You
need
to
get
hold
of
fdot.
I
don't
know
that
that'll
make
any
way
like.
I
said
that
we've
we've
seen
some
progress
in
the
last
several
months,
working
with
orange
county
we've
committed
to.
If
we
can
get
the
drain
well
reestablished
to
helping
fund
that
that
we're
right
now
kind
of
waiting
to
see
what
happens
with
that.
B
Well
again,
for
them,
it's
like
well
go:
ask
your
mother
go,
ask
your
father
and
nothing's
getting
done
so.
Is
there
something
that
staff
could
do
that
you
could
do
maybe
to
give
us
some
type
of
an
explanation
that
we
can
help
people
to
know?
This
is
what
we're
running
into
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
we'll
we'll
do.
B
U
They
want
somebody
to
do
something
and
we'd
like
to,
but
you
know
that
that
the
drain
wells,
the
best
solution,
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
work
or
not,
but
whether
or
not
we'll
be
allowed
to
do
it.
But
that's
the
best
solution.
I
think
so.
That's
kind
of
where
we're
at
as
far
as
lake
hammer
got
another
email
from
one
of
the
ladies
out.
A
Let
me
let
me
on
just
to
kind
of
kind
of
follow
up
on
what
jeff
just
told
you
is
that,
if,
if
we,
if
orange
county
is
able
to
convince
dep
that
there
was
a
drainage
well
there
and
that
we,
you
cannot
build
any
more
drainage
oil,
so
drainage
wells
can
no
longer.
You
can't
build
a
new
drainage
well,
which
for
people
out
there
that
don't
know
what
a
drainage
weld
is
basically
and
I'm
not
a
real
big
fan
of
them.
But
this
is
one
of
those
occasions
where
it's
probably
needed.
A
Basically,
it's
a
straw
between
surface
water
and
your
aquifer,
so
you're
taking
whatever's
on
the
surface
and
sending
it
right
to
the
so.
So
I'm
just
that's
what
that's
what
we're
talking
about
solution
so
we've
got!
We've
got
a
bill
on
the
senate
side
to
try
to
get
up
to
a
million
dollars
to
help
us
with
what
we
do
kind
of
a
two-part.
First,
we
got
to
get
the
drainage
well
that
that
dep
accepts
that
there
was
a
drainage.
A
A
Well,
now,
under
a
under
a
you
know,
a
hurricane
irma
situation
all
bets
are
off
then
you've
just
got
you've
got
to
take
the
water
off
the
pond,
but
if
we
can
for
the
the
normal
times
when
you
just
got
a
normal
half-inch
rain
and
the
lake
isn't
at
you
know
at
historic
levels,
if
we
can
do
some
kind
of
filtration
before
it
goes
into
the
drainage.
Well
it
because
we're
so
close
to
when
you
think
about
with
by
the
by
the
crow
flies
you're,
probably
less
than
a
mile
from
weak
alba
springs
right
there.
U
A
U
A
And
and
the
other,
so
let's
just
say
that
that
that
dep
rules
against
us
and
said
there
was
not
one
there,
then
our
other
opportunity,
which
becomes
even
a
bigger
nightmare,
is
to
is
to
hook
into
the
the
system
that
we
have
with
either
altamonte
springs
utilities
inc
and
run
it
out
to
the
plant.
But
now
we've
taken
what
was
right,
I
know
which
was
reclaimed
water
and
now
we've
turned
it
into
waste
water,
which
means
we've
got
to
retreat
it
I
mean
I
don't
there's
no
other.
C
B
Well
again,
just
that
that
we're
doing
our
diligence
on
behalf
of
our
people,
you
know
my
biggest
concern
that
I
I
we
have
to
be
told.
If
this
is
the
case
is
if
we
continue
approving
building
it.
If
that
is
adding
to
this
problem-
and
we
don't
address
that
shame
on
us,
so
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
We
we
want
to.
B
And
I
that
again,
that's
why
there
are
retention
ponds.
Things
like
this.
So
as
long
as
you
in
the
know
and
with
the
the
ability
to
know
you
know
the
the
engineering
side
of
those
things
can
tell
us,
so
we
can
make
the
right
decision,
but
we
we
really
want
to
be
that
advocate
for
all
of
our
people.
The
thing
that
we
can't
do
is
go
back
in
time
and
stop
the
building.
B
That's
now
below
the
floodplain,
which
we
didn't
have
back
then
correct,
and
unfortunately
there
are
those
people
that
are
suffering
those
things
and
and
again
I
I
understand
that
you
know
flooding
issues
in
my
yard
that
I've
dealt
with
as
well,
not
to
the
degree
that
some
have
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
really
are
and
that
people
understand
we
really
are
taking
this
serious
and
it's
not
just
simply
we're
not
willing
to
put
money
there.
That's
not
the
fix
right
now.
B
O
Well,
I
guess
he
shouldn't
have
went
too
far,
because
my
my
question
is
also
in
reference
to
the
flooding.
So
how
long
are
we
going
to
wait
for
dep
to
to
make
a
determination
of
whether
the
whale
is
there
or
not?
You
know
how
long
we
gonna
keep
dragging
this
out.
U
Well,
that
the
paperwork
that
orange
county
filed
to
send
back
into
dep
was
actually
submitted
this
year,
so
we're
hoping
that
by
this
summer,
we'll
have
some
type
of
answer
from
them.
So,
okay.
O
U
They
say
no,
then
we've
got
to
try
and
figure
out
another
solution
and
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
good
ones
that
we're
going
to
do
the
lake
page
and
lake
pleasant
partnering
with
orange
county
and
rehabbing
those
drain
wells
regardless.
U
But
then,
if
we
were
not
allowed
to
re-establish
a
drain
well
for
border
lake,
then
it
becomes.
You
know:
we've
got
to
figure
out
where
we
put
the
water,
because
right
now,
there's
just
no
place
to
put
it
and
so
can
we
then
it
becomes
a
question
of
can
we
be
allowed
to,
and
this
would
be
something
working
with
st
john's
and
dep.
U
Could
we
pump
from
border
lake
and
pump
it
over
to
lake
page
for,
for
example,
and
that
we
don't
know
because
we're
trying
to
get
them
to?
Let
us
reestablish
that
if
we
come
up
with
another
plan,
then
we
don't
want
them
to
go
we'll
go
do
that.
Instead,
if
it's,
the
best
solution
is
to
re-establish
border
lake.
O
U
U
That,
where
a
lot
of
lakes
have
started
coming
down
and
draining
detention
basins
that
we're
holding
water
have
come
down,
border
lake
has
not
come
down
a
whole
lot.
Although
it
does
appear
that
lake
cortez
has
come
down
some
when
you
get
on
the
west
side
of
town.
What
is
it
clear,
they're.
U
Lake,
it's
not
down!
It's
still
up
that
a
lot
of
the
lakes
on
the
west
side
of
town
are
still
up.
So
it's
not!
You
know
where
we're
hearing
from
these
folks
in
orange
county
that
have
this
problem
that
they
want
for
us
to
fix
and
that
it's
been
going
on
for
years.
U
We've
still
got
additional
issues
within
the
within
the
city
as
well.
That
commissioner
bankston
was
talking
about
lake
hammer
and
the
issues
there
that
when
they
built
that
lake
it
was
intended
to
be
at
a
very,
very
low
level.
U
U
So
because
it
won't
be
as
critical
for
it
to
be
that
depth,
but
you
know
it's
not
just
border
lake,
it's
not
just
lake
cortez,
it's
lake,
you
know
well,
frankly,
right
now,
we've
got
an
issue
over
the
between
our
retention
pond
and
dream
lake,
with
the
levels
and
such
and
what
it's
doing
to
our
system.
There,
the
connections
there.
So
it's
not
just
border
lake,
it's
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
water
that
and
the
water
is
not
draining
off
the
way
we
would
like
for
it
to
that.
U
You
know,
drought
would
help
that
it's
not
going
to
help
a
lot
of
the
other
things,
but
you
know
that
it's
while
we,
while
we've
got
the
water
levels,
where
they're
at
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
the
problems
throughout
the
city
and
there's
just
no
place
for
us
to
put
the
water.
If
I
pump
the
water
from
from
lake
border
or
from
border
lake
to
lake
page,
the
people
around
lake
page
have
a
problem
right.
You
know
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
you
know
just
doesn't
matter
where
we
go.
U
We've
got
these
problems
right
now,
so
I
don't
have
a
good.
I
know
what
you're
looking
for.
I
can't
tell
you
that
that
you
know
the
best
solution
would
be
if
we
can
reestablish
the
border
lake
drain
well,
which
will
kind
of
take
care
of
that
immediate
problem.
But
it's
not
going
to
take
care
of
the
rest
of
the
problems
through
the
city
either.
O
U
And
we're
supportive
of
that
and
we
we've
got
we
we're
asking
for
some
legislative
help.
Orange
county
would
prefer
to
do
it
without
it
because
of
the
cost.
But
if
we
can
bring
some
additional
money
to
the
table
along
with
our
money,
then
we
believe
we
can
get
that
make
that
happen.
So
we'd
like
to
put
in
baffle
boxes
and
treat
the
water
through
those
baffle
boxes
before
it
goes
down
the
drain
well
and
clean
it
up
a
little
bit
from
the
natural
state.
H
K
I
mean
you,
don't
have
to
stay
there,
no,
but
how
the
mayor,
how
you
described
it
I
think,
is
good
and
then
to
commissioner
banks
and
smith's
point.
K
You
know
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
question
about
it,
and
so
is
it
possible
to
just
kind
of
stick
an
update
like
keep
an
up-to-date
kind
of
thing
on
the
web
page,
because
what
we
struggle
with
is
you
know
we
may
get
these
requests
every
third
week
or
we
may
get
them
every
day
or
we
may
get
them
every
three
months
and
then
it's
always
you're
gonna
get
five
different
people
coming
to
you
or
four
different
people
to
get
an
update.
K
So
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
somebody
on
your
staff
that
can
just
eloquently
kind
of
articulate
what
the
mayor
just
described
and
what
you
know
the
options
are
and
then
two
just
keep
it
up
to
date
in
terms
of
terms
of
current
status.
A
Well,
jeff
and
I'll
work
on
a
kind
of
a
kind
of
an
initial
response
and
then
yeah
we
gosh
it's
been
months
since
orange
county,
but
you
know
they
had
to
go
back.
They
found
records
from
like
the
50s
or
something
that
they
that
they're
waving
at
dep,
say:
hey,
here's,
our
here's,
our
you
know
drainage
well,
and
they
said
well
show
us
well,
it's
under
you
know
the
third
lane
of
you
know
436,
and
so
how
do
I
get
to
it?
A
So
you
know
that's
our
that's
a
challenge,
but
you
know
the,
but
the
reason
it's
worth
pursuing
is
because
the
alternative
is
millions
and
not
hundreds
of
thousands.
And
so
that's
the
that's
our
challenges.
You
know,
and
I
mean
I'll,
give
orange
county.
You
know
the
folks
over
there
at
the
utilities,
department,
they're,
they're,
they're
really
working
hard
to
get
us.
You
know
the
information
that
we
hope
to
to
use
to
be
able
to
put
that
drainage.
Well
in
so,
and
then
hopefully
we'll
get
the
money
from
the
state
that
will
help
us.
A
You
know
because
it's
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
good
number.
If
we
want
to
do
what
we
think
is
right,
which
is
some
sort
of
filtration
under
normal
circumstances,
obviously,
under
abnormal
circumstances,
we
just
got
to
got
to
get
the
water
off
the
off
the
surface
of
the
the
roads
and
whatnot.
K
C
E
So
the
sales
tax
update,
as
you
can
see
so
we
we
received
the
numbers
for
february,
keep
in
mind.
The
numbers
for
february
are
actually
december
they're,
two
months
a
lag,
but
you
can
see
that
we've
been
we're
27
percent
down
than
we
were
the
prior
fiscal
year
and
then
overall
there's
about
655
000
difference
if
you
annualize
it
or
just
about
six
and
a
half
percent
down
than
than
where
we
were
projection-wise.
So
keep
watching
this
number
as
we
get
later
into
the
year.
E
You
know
covid
and
the
covered
numbers,
as
you
can
see
in
the
prior
year
started
hitting
around
may
is
when
we
started
feeling
the
the
revenue
number
started,
taking
a
decline.
So
hopefully
those
revenues
will
be
up
when
we
get
to
that
period
and
it'll
it'll
kind
of
you'll
kind
of
see
a
little
better
smoothing
of
this
number
or
whatever,
but
still
continues
to
be
around
that
26
27
percent
over
the
prior
years
collections
each
month.
C
Q
Q
Q
Deo
is
currently
investigating
the
breach
they're
asking
all
state
employees
to
just
keep
an
eye
out
for
any
suspicious
activity.
The
investigators
at
deo
say
the
most
likely
information
that
was
breached
were
driver's
licenses
and
some
of
the
activity
that's
been
happening.
Our
unemployment
benefits
are
being
applied
for
so
some
members
are
getting
notification
of
awarding
of
unemployment
benefits,
even
though
they've
never
made
a
claim
for
unemployment
benefits.
Q
A
Any
questions
for
michael,
I
know
we
had
five
or
six.
I
think
that
that
were
in
that,
but
I
would
want
to
give
a
big
shout
out
dan
eagles
friend
of
mine.
I
served
with
him
in
the
legislature
as
head
of
now
a
deo
and
as
soon
as
the
first
report
came
in,
we
knew
that
employees
that
were
on
the
payroll
had
filed
for
unemployment.
So
we
knew
there
was
a
problem,
so
I
call
him
up
and
within
20
minutes,
they've
got
their.
A
You
know
investigator
on
our
case,
so
helps
have
friends
in
high
places.
So
I
want
to
give
a
big
shout
out
to
deo
that
they're
right
on
top
of
this
thing
and
really
working
hard
to
make
sure
that
these
whoever's
doing
this
doesn't
doesn't
get
away
scot-free.
So
thank
you,
michael
all,
right,
okay,
mayor's
report.
Look
at
the
cover
numbers.
Coping
numbers
are,
you
know.
Obviously
they
had
a
blip
up,
but
I
think
sometimes
it's
the
sampling,
but
numbers
are
really
coming
down.
A
I
think
the
positivity
rate
in
orange
county
is
less
than
five
percent.
So
we're
it's.
You
know
it's
in
it's
in
a
good
good
range.
Now
we're
really
making
progress.
I
do
want
to
let
you
know
that.
Also
at
your
desk
is
the
state
of
florida,
the
governor's
executive
order
and
for
the
folks
out
there
they've
added
some
additional
people
that
can
now
receive
the
vaccine,
as
I
just
want
to
mention
those.
Obviously,
all
the
people
that
are
over
65
have
been
getting
them.
A
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
it
but
starting
sunday.
I
know
it's
on
our
website
now
sunday,
monday,
tuesday
wednesday,
there
will
be
you'll,
have
the
opportunity
to
go
get
it's
a
first
come
first
serve.
C
A
Kelly
park
they'll
be
doing
3000
vaccinations
a
day
so
four
days,
starting
on
sunday,
first
come
first
serve,
so
I
would
suggest
anybody
that's
going
to
be
using
rock
springs.
Road
you'd,
be
you
know
careful
because
going
down
rock
springs
road.
If
I'm,
I
envision,
you
know
miles
worth
of
backup
down
rock
springs
road
or
even
going
back
off
toward
kelly
park.
So
but
anyway,
three
thousand
a
day
will
be
at
kelly
park.
A
I
think
in
the
next
couple
days
we'll
have
some
good
news
about
apopka,
so
as
far
as
coven
vaccinations,
but
we're
still
working
on
that
jeans
wednesday.
Just
so
you
know
we're
city
employees.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
city
employees.
We
have
a
gentleman
in
dispatch,
that's
got
got
cancer
and
going
through
treatments
and
whatnot,
and
the
outpouring
of
city
employees
to
help
this.
This
gentleman
out
are
were
really
heartwarming,
and
I
know
he
appreciates
it.
A
So
thank
you
to
all
employees
on
jeans
wednesday.
We
have
another
employee
in
finance
that
we're
this
march,
which
is
it's.
We
do
it's
when
you
know
jeans
wednesday,
we're
gonna
be
raising
money
for
this.
The
lady
in
finance,
who's
who's,
also
combating
coveted
or
excuse
me
cancer
at
this
time.
So
we
you
know,
keep
them
in
your
prayers.
A
Hopefully
we'll
see
them
back
soon
enough
and
there's
jeans
every
wednesday
yes
and
it's
five
dollars,
and
so
we
they've
done
they've
done
really
well,
I'm
I'm
real,
proud
of
the
staff
here
last
up,
barbecue
competition
in
hometown
concert.
I
know
john
hanson's
working
hard
on
barbecue
trying
to
get
the
teams
in
here
hometown
concert's
been
set
other
than
we
got
to
make
sure
that
jeremias
is
going
to
be
our
start
out.
Our
concert,
brittany,
callahan,
is
on
board.
We've
also
got
the
elks.
A
Elks
lodge
is
going
to
be
doing
a
corn
hole
tournament
out
there.
We
gave
a
high
school
depending
on
what
they
can
and
can't
do
or
they're
going
to
be
doing
some
cooking
demonstrations
as
well
as
selling
some
of
their
own
barbecue,
sauce
and
hot
sauce,
obviously
have
some
other
other.
You
know,
grills,
that
you
know
demo
grills
and
whatnot
for
people
to
take
a
look
at
and
then
that'll
be
with
chef
bates,
so
yeah
a
great
guy.
A
If
you
ever
met
him,
you
know
I
sit
on
the
the
culinary
board
at
wekava
high
school
and
he
is
one
energetic
guy
and
so
you'll
you'll
enjoy
meeting
him.
So
looking
up
everything's
things
are
really
moving
great,
we're
so
excited
to
be
a
part
of
apopka,
and
with
that
we
will
close
the
city.